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| 01:04.44 | annadane | is it enough to put compton in the list of autostart programs in xfce such that it will override xfce's compositor? it's running in the task manager but i'm not sure if it's truly running to the point where it's the compositor and not xfce's built-in one |
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| 01:11.13 | awal1 | annadane, why compton and not the xfce's built-in one? |
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| 01:12.31 | annadane | i feel like compton does things a bit better |
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| 01:14.33 | annadane | anyway i'm pretty sure it does use it as the main compositor if you autostart it; it wouldn't even be visible in processes if it wasn't |
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| 01:24.28 | annadane | sigh. ok. riddle me this. i have firefox 61 in its own folder, and i set the default browser to use it. why do links refuse to open in it when i click them in irc, it just goes to the home page |
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| 01:27.37 | annadane | maybe i could clear the cache i guess |
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| 01:28.43 | annadane | anyway sorry, this is a firefox issue not a debian issue |
| 01:30.41 | pingfloyd | what command does your irc use when you click on urls? |
| 01:31.04 | annadane | i don't know, i'm not sure how to trace it; it's hexchat |
| 01:31.24 | annadane | i guess i could run it via the cli |
| 01:31.42 | annadane | well anyway i'll look at it later |
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| 01:52.57 | sideup66 | Evening |
| 01:53.04 | sideup66 | Anyone noticing problems installing remmina |
| 01:53.25 | sideup66 | On my Debian box it's complaining we can't update due to a lib-ssh4 dependancy |
| 01:53.30 | sideup66 | Known issue? |
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| 01:59.16 | rjsalts | sideup66: doesn't appear to be, this is on stretch? |
| 01:59.30 | sideup66 | rjsalts: yes |
| 01:59.53 | rjsalts | sideup66: and you have backports enabled? |
| 02:00.04 | sideup66 | yes, i do |
| 02:00.28 | sideup66 | tells me: Depends: libssh-4 (>= 0.8.0~20170825.94fa1e38) but 0.7.3-2 is to be installed |
| 02:00.28 | rjsalts | sideup66: you tried apt update? |
| 02:00.39 | sideup66 | yes, this is what it is returning, ive had the package on my box for some time |
| 02:01.54 | rjsalts | sideup66: you have any pinning which might be trying to downgrade libssh-4 from backports to version in stretch? |
| 02:02.21 | sideup66 | pinning? |
| 02:02.22 | sideup66 | not sure |
| 02:03.06 | rjsalts | sideup66: you have to take steps to do pinning, it's in /etc/apt/preferences |
| 02:03.12 | sideup66 | no |
| 02:03.17 | sideup66 | i didnt set anything like that... |
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| 02:04.40 | rjsalts | maybe try apt -t stretch-backports install remmina |
| 02:05.15 | sideup66 | yep |
| 02:05.18 | sideup66 | now it wants to pull them |
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| 02:05.49 | sideup66 | will it hurt to do that |
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| 02:06.37 | sideup66 | oh no |
| 02:06.39 | sideup66 | it pulled em |
| 02:07.03 | sideup66 | it installed it |
| 02:07.05 | sideup66 | interesting |
| 02:07.09 | rjsalts | for apt install it's okay, for apt dist-upgrade it will upgrade all your packages to backports version, which is probably not what you would want |
| 02:07.24 | sideup66 | i see |
| 02:07.44 | sideup66 | ive used that to upgrade when packages have gotten hung up in the past |
| 02:08.01 | sideup66 | hope the libssh update doesnt break ssh |
| 02:08.10 | rjsalts | oh, I just mean if you inclue the target release |
| 02:08.28 | rjsalts | apt -t stretch-backports dist-upgrade |
| 02:08.38 | sideup66 | okay so apt -t stretch-backports just installed remmina only from backports |
| 02:08.42 | sideup66 | id think if it was going to break a package |
| 02:08.47 | sideup66 | apt is smart enough to not do it |
| 02:10.06 | sideup66 | rjsalts: what i find interesting in linux builds in general |
| 02:10.15 | rjsalts | I don't know that a maintainer would do a backport for a program that had forward compatibility issue, they'd usually wait for a transition through unstable to testing and wait on the next stable release |
| 02:10.18 | sideup66 | it seems in the summer updates just slow...is it because all the devs just take a summer break? |
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| 02:11.12 | sideup66 | yeah, was something weird, just was doing some quick patching and noticed that |
| 02:12.14 | rjsalts | sideup66: if you've got a version from backports then the pinning should be such that you get updates from backports iirc |
| 02:12.24 | rjsalts | sideup66: summer updates? |
| 02:12.25 | sideup66 | hmm i see |
| 02:12.48 | sideup66 | no just in the summer months i mean, i notice there are less patches than usual lol |
| 02:12.57 | sideup66 | seems like programmers just stop for the summer lol |
| 02:13.30 | rjsalts | I would have guessed the opposite in open source, e.g. google summer of code, etc |
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| 02:14.49 | rjsalts | but pontificating about people's patterns of open source contribution really belongs on #debian-offtopic |
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| 02:48.08 | atralheaven | Hi, I have a wifi device that its driver was added in kernel 4.14. I'm using debian stable, when will the stable version of debian get kernel v4.14? |
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| 02:49.30 | tomreyn | atralheaven: debian stable, that's stretch, right? |
| 02:49.55 | atralheaven | tomreyn: 9.4 |
| 02:50.09 | atralheaven | Latest version |
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| 02:51.15 | tomreyn | yes , 9.4. is stretch. you can just enable backports then https://packages.debian.org/search?arch=amd64&keywords=linux-image-amd64 |
| 02:51.26 | tomreyn | atralheaven: ^ |
| 02:51.42 | tomreyn | stretch-backports provides 4.16+94~bpo9+1 |
| 02:51.59 | sideup66 | thanks though rjsalts |
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| 02:53.07 | atralheaven | Do you know when will it get the kernel update? If it's not a long time, I prefer to wait |
| 02:53.26 | tomreyn | atralheaven: what is "it"? |
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| 02:53.43 | atralheaven | Debian stable |
| 02:54.31 | atralheaven | Second it >> time of getting the kernel update |
| 02:54.52 | tomreyn | kernels aren't updated within a release.so not in stretch. you'll need to wait for 'buster' to turn stable then, but no release date has been set for it, yet. |
| 02:55.17 | tomreyn | https://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 02:55.34 | atralheaven | Oh... So I have no choice than using backports... |
| 02:55.52 | atralheaven | Won't it break my debian? |
| 02:57.05 | tomreyn | why would it? those backports are made for your existing debian version. |
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| 02:57.48 | tomreyn | based on previous release dates buster may release mid 2019 https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 02:58.28 | atralheaven | Good, I will use the backports for kernel, thanks! |
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| 03:07.39 | __m4ch1n3__ | dont be a coward, upgrade to testing :) |
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| 04:04.44 | flyback | can anyone who keeps logs sometime check to see when klowner actually spoke last |
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| 04:05.56 | flyback | bites annadane |
| 04:05.57 | flyback | CANUCK |
| 04:06.57 | flyback | omg chuckx |
| 04:07.00 | flyback | the kde docs guy? |
| 04:07.18 | flyback | no that was chuckit, I think nm |
| 04:07.21 | flyback | getting senile |
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| 04:36.20 | dodobrain | hi all, how do i get rid of this apt-config that keeps running and random times and eats up 100% cpu ? |
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| 04:45.22 | krzee | hey guys, i just installed debian on a new ssd that i put into an old server (replaced the old ssd) and now when i boot it just freezes. when i edit the grub command to have text instead of quiet i see that the last line before it hangs is: Freeing SMP alternatives memory. does anybody have any ideas for me? |
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| 04:48.23 | buu | krzee: how did yo install it? |
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| 04:48.43 | krzee | netinstall |
| 04:48.43 | buu | Because that sounds eal broke |
| 04:48.47 | buu | real* |
| 04:48.54 | buu | Did you plug the ssd in and install? |
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| 06:31.32 | RattleBattle79 | Long story short: I had to disable one of my CPU cores in BIOS to get Proxmox started. Does that usually mean it's a hw failure? I haven't have time to test with other installations of Linux/Unix yet, at the moment I'm running with one of two CPU cores |
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| 07:18.42 | annadane | does the installer graphical mode have a non-root account you can use? |
| 07:18.50 | annadane | sorry, installer graphical rescue mode |
| 07:18.51 | atralheaven | Hi, I upgraded the kernel on my laptop, now I can boot and it's ok until the login screen, after entering password system freezes, and I have to shut it down with the power button. It's debian 9.4 stable with backports for the kernel. I had the exact same problem with ubuntu, so I removed it and installed debian, but it seems that the problem is not just for ubuntu |
| 07:19.37 | atralheaven | I upgraded the kernel becaues my laptop |
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| 07:20.14 | atralheaven | I upgraded the kernel becaues my laptop's wifi driver |
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| 07:22.25 | atralheaven | I booted with kernel version 4.9, everything is ok. but with the backport version I have that problem |
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| 07:33.58 | atralheaven | anyone...? any idea...? |
| 07:34.30 | Haohmaru | anything interesting in "dmesg" ? |
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| 07:34.53 | Haohmaru | when it's frozen - can you connect to it via "ssh" from another computer? |
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| 07:37.01 | atralheaven | I haven't tried to. but ctrl + alt + Fs doesn't work. I don't know if I can connect that machine to internet to try ssh |
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| 07:39.29 | atralheaven | Haohmaru: what should I look for in dmesg? |
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| 07:40.17 | Haohmaru | no idea.. anything strange, suspicious, errors.. stuff printed in red color.. |
| 07:40.35 | Haohmaru | or something right before it freezes |
| 07:41.10 | atralheaven | let me try it before loging in |
| 07:41.15 | Haohmaru | so your login manager works, but when you log in and it's about to run your DE - it freezes? |
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| 07:42.21 | atralheaven | right |
| 07:42.55 | rpd | atralheaven: disable the display manager (systemctl disable gdm/kdm/...) and see if you can troubleshoot from command line console |
| 07:43.08 | atralheaven | now I'm trying it with tyy2 |
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| 07:43.41 | atralheaven | rpd: ok, let me try |
| 07:44.29 | Haohmaru | could it be your DE gone broken? |
| 07:44.44 | Haohmaru | or the login manager not starting the DE properly |
| 07:44.57 | atralheaven | but it's working with kernel version 4.9 |
| 07:45.04 | Haohmaru | i'm probably talking bullsh*t here :/ |
| 07:45.36 | Haohmaru | you might still have the previous kernel version selectable via GRUB (mine keeps the old kernels) |
| 07:46.03 | atralheaven | yes I do, it works fine |
| 07:46.15 | __m4ch1n3__ | maybe some kernel modules were not updated in one kernel or initramfs |
| 07:46.35 | atralheaven | I did an upgrade with backports before installing it |
| 07:47.12 | __m4ch1n3__ | thats not a guarante that update-initramfs or depmod was executed |
| 07:47.33 | atralheaven | I had the same problem with ubuntu just after installation, I removed it. |
| 07:47.44 | rpd | atralheaven: if it is an issue with display drivers, you will often find errors in /var/log/X.0.log, grep for EE for errors and WW for warnings in that file... |
| 07:48.23 | __m4ch1n3__ | laptop could be also bugg hw acpi implementaion |
| 07:48.30 | __m4ch1n3__ | *buggy |
| 07:48.43 | atralheaven | rpd: might be. also the wireless driver, which was the reason of the upgrade |
| 07:49.43 | __m4ch1n3__ | which driver is it? dont think so, would be suprised if wifi driver would freez the system |
| 07:49.52 | atralheaven | I will try disabling nvidia driver from bios |
| 07:51.10 | atralheaven | I disabled gdm, it was going to login to x11, but it was frozen again |
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| 07:51.51 | __m4ch1n3__ | frozen? ctrl + alt + f1 doesnt work? |
| 07:51.59 | atralheaven | no |
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| 07:53.07 | atralheaven | there is no option for disabling nvidia graphic card from bios |
| 07:53.08 | __m4ch1n3__ | try "nomodeset acpi=off" boot option, you have to add it in grub |
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| 07:53.41 | __m4ch1n3__ | at the end of the kernel line |
| 07:54.40 | __m4ch1n3__ | i bett 10bugs that laptop would run smooth when installed from unofficial firmware image |
| 07:55.16 | __m4ch1n3__ | https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/ |
| 07:55.38 | nejeeeee | How should i install a new kernel? Synaptic package manager or terminal? Also how many package do i need? |
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| 07:56.24 | jelly | nejeeeee: both ought to work, but it's easier to get help in here with command line tools |
| 07:56.39 | jelly | nejeeeee: which new kernel and which debian release? |
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| 07:58.06 | nejeeeee | Hello jelly, please don't send me away it's 4.16 >.< |
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| 07:59.03 | nejeeeee | i'm not shure how many package i should select, -headers- -image- ecc |
| 07:59.21 | atralheaven | __m4ch1n3__: where are those boot options...? on the line starting with menuentry? or at the end of that line, after '{'? |
| 07:59.49 | nejeeeee | also i would like to use a -rt- kernel, does this install on top of the standard kernel? do i need both the packages? |
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| 08:00.54 | jelly | nejeeeee: and which debian release? |
| 08:00.59 | __m4ch1n3__ | you can press c or e when focused a menue entry to edit it temporary, and ctrl + x to boot it |
| 08:01.09 | jelly | !debian suite |
| 08:01.10 | dpkg | cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions. |
| 08:01.23 | dionysus69 | cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail returns about ~3800 |
| 08:01.42 | dionysus69 | is this enough to generate key for production? which is 32 bits? |
| 08:01.48 | nejeeeee | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:01.50 | __m4ch1n3__ | there is a line that starts with "linux /somepathtokernel/ some options" |
| 08:01.52 | jelly | dionysus69: yes |
| 08:02.06 | dionysus69 | jelly: ok thanks :) |
| 08:02.16 | jelly | nejeeeee: what does "lsb_release -sc" command actually say? |
| 08:02.21 | __m4ch1n3__ | and you have to append it on the end of the linux line |
| 08:03.44 | nejeeeee | jelly you already know the answer, but my question isn't related to testing. I would like to learn how to do it in general |
| 08:03.56 | atralheaven | __m4ch1n3__: I added it at the first of it, I got an error, I'm rebooting and trying again |
| 08:03.57 | jelly | dionysus69: that value changes all the time. it's not important how many bits there is right now, but how quickly they refill |
| 08:04.07 | __m4ch1n3__ | or just take recovery mode, there should be an "extendet options for ..." menue entry, and there should be an boot recovery mode |
| 08:04.26 | dionysus69 | hmm jelly dunno I am generating it on my own pc |
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| 08:04.44 | jelly | nejeeeee: I don't know the answer, if it's stretch then there's a 4.16 in stretch-backports repo |
| 08:05.02 | jelly | nejeeeee: so, what does "lsb_release -sc" command actually say? |
| 08:05.04 | nejeeeee | buster |
| 08:05.16 | jelly | then you should already have 4.16 |
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| 08:05.27 | jelly | ,kernels |
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| 08:05.28 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.17.0-1-686-pae (4.17.3-1); buster: 4.16.0-2-686 (4.16.16-2); stretch-backports: 4.16.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.16.16-2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-6-686-pae (3.16.56-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: |
| 08:05.28 | __m4ch1n3__ | line starts with "linux/vmlinuz-x.y.z" |
| 08:05.28 | atralheaven | __m4ch1n3__: even the shutdown is soooo slow... I'm not sure if it even shuts down at all |
| 08:05.29 | judd | 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1) |
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| 08:06.11 | jelly | nejeeeee: and yes, the right answer is directly related to which release is installed |
| 08:06.34 | nejeeeee | i didn't upgrade to 4.15 i'm still in 4.14 |
| 08:06.45 | jelly | nejeeeee: if it's buster just patch up your system |
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| 08:07.12 | atralheaven | __m4ch1n3__: I saw that line, I add nomodeset acpi=off after all the other lines of that section, right? |
| 08:09.49 | atralheaven | or at the end of the line that has linux /vmlinuz....? |
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| 08:10.38 | jelly | nejeeeee: you only need a linux-headers package if you have third party modules built from source (via dkms or otherwise), like virtualbox or nvidia blob |
| 08:10.41 | __m4ch1n3__ | THE LINUX /VMLINUZ LINE |
| 08:10.46 | atralheaven | ok |
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| 08:11.36 | jelly | nejeeeee: you only need a linux-headers package if you have third party modules built from source (via dkms or otherwise), like virtualbox or nvidia blob |
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| 08:12.28 | atralheaven | __m4ch1n3__: ok now I have the login screen with low resolution |
| 08:13.03 | atralheaven | it worked |
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| 08:13.09 | __m4ch1n3__ | hmm then you srewed up nvidia driver install |
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| 08:13.34 | atralheaven | I didn't install it, it's a fresh install |
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| 08:14.16 | __m4ch1n3__ | hmm, but u said the other kernel worked, how a fresh install has n old kernel? |
| 08:14.23 | atralheaven | so, what can I do now? |
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| 08:15.56 | __m4ch1n3__ | i dont know what u did before, but i assmue the install is not 100% fresh :) check /var/log/syslog |
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| 08:16.48 | atralheaven | __m4ch1n3__: I did an update and upgrade, then installing the kernel from backports. I will check that now |
| 08:17.20 | __m4ch1n3__ | check the logfiles for error messages befor installing shit again |
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| 08:19.34 | atralheaven | what should I look for on that log? with that low resolution it's hard to read the lines |
| 08:20.06 | __m4ch1n3__ | error, warning stuff like that |
| 08:20.42 | atralheaven | it's 8501 lines, I try grep |
| 08:20.46 | __m4ch1n3__ | everything that doesnt say OK all fine |
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| 08:21.17 | __m4ch1n3__ | read from end and look at timestamps, you should check last boot |
| 08:22.07 | __m4ch1n3__ | tail -n 500 /var/log/syslog | more |
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| 08:29.45 | eyalroz | Could someone help me with a keyboard-layout-related issue? |
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| 08:30.32 | BCMM | eyalroz: you are more likely to get help, overall, if you state your problem *without* waiting for somebody to say whether they can help |
| 08:30.43 | eyalroz | BCMM: Fair enough. |
| 08:31.05 | atralheaven | __m4ch1n3__: mmm take a look: https://www.hastebin.com/raw/yidoxatofa |
| 08:31.13 | BCMM | (because people will be reluctant to guess whether they can help when they don't know if the problem is in their area of expertise) |
| 08:31.49 | BCMM | eyalroz: not saying you're doing anything wrong; just that it's not the most efficient route |
| 08:32.09 | eyalroz | I am using a two-layout xkb configuration: layout: us,il options: grp:alt_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll . Now, when I'm in the il layout, most X apps don't inster the Hebrew characters I type in, but do insert punctuation marks and so on. The US layout works fine. |
| 08:32.34 | atralheaven | __m4ch1n3__: it's a boot with new kernel which had the problem, then a boot with the 4.9 which was ok |
| 08:33.08 | __m4ch1n3__ | timestamp looks like the current boot, you need the previous, where your machine forozen |
| 08:33.14 | eyalroz | Example of apps which reject Hebrew chars: Mate panel Alt+F2 launcher; leafpad. Example of apps which accept them: Quassel, LibreOffice, Gnome Terminal |
| 08:33.36 | __m4ch1n3__ | or wait |
| 08:33.48 | __m4ch1n3__ | is it the current boot or the previous |
| 08:33.56 | eyalroz | This happens to me with LXQt and with Cinnamon. Haven't tried other desktop environments yet. |
| 08:34.50 | __m4ch1n3__ | you can grap for it if u have the timestamp |
| 08:34.54 | __m4ch1n3__ | *grep |
| 08:35.17 | __m4ch1n3__ | grep ^'Jul 11 12:5' |
| 08:35.26 | eyalroz | BCMM: So, my meta-question got 3 replies more than my actual question :-P |
| 08:35.31 | __m4ch1n3__ | e.g but i dont know the timestamp |
| 08:35.54 | neoclust | hi |
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| 08:36.26 | neoclust | do you know how to restore a misdeleted file in a XFS partition ? |
| 08:36.39 | __m4ch1n3__ | yes |
| 08:36.45 | __m4ch1n3__ | do backups |
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| 08:37.21 | BCMM | eyalroz: is it definitely an input issue? what if you try to paste hebrew? |
| 08:37.41 | BCMM | eyalroz: i'm wondering if maybe those applications either do not support RTL, or do not support mixed RTL-LTR text |
| 08:37.44 | eyalroz | BCMM: Pasting works. |
| 08:37.56 | __m4ch1n3__ | photorec maybe, but if the hdd is runnining your chances are getting smaler with every second |
| 08:38.24 | neoclust | __m4ch1n3__: yes but an other method ? :) |
| 08:38.28 | eyalroz | These are apps that do take Hebrew input with other distros - Mint 18.3, Fedora 26 for example |
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| 08:39.38 | __m4ch1n3__ | photorec, but for that the partion sould be not mounted for normal use, and if its system partion you need boot live from usb |
| 08:39.47 | BCMM | eyalroz: you've got the scroll-lock LED to indicate alternate layout, right? does that stay illuminated when you focus one of the non-working applications? |
| 08:40.22 | eyalroz | Yes, Scroll lock indicates the layout choice. Yes, it does stay illuminated when I focus one of these apps. |
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| 08:42.10 | sascha2 | Hi, I could really use some help with me infiniband installation under debian. Although ethtool shows 40gbit/s I only get 10Mbyte/s with iperf. |
| 08:42.40 | __m4ch1n3__ | contact isp :) |
| 08:43.06 | __m4ch1n3__ | or 10mbits in local network |
| 08:43.30 | jelly | sascha2: what if you run a couple iperfs in parallel, does each get 10MB/s or total |
| 08:43.43 | BCMM | sascha2: where is the iperf server? is it literally the machine on the other end of the ib link, or is it elsewhere on the network? |
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| 08:47.30 | eyalroz | BCMM: pong. |
| 08:47.42 | BCMM | eyalroz: sorry, i'm out of ideas for the moment |
| 08:47.59 | eyalroz | BCMM: Ah, ok. Thanks for trying. |
| 08:48.16 | eyalroz | I'll try SuperUser.com I guess. |
| 08:48.28 | sascha2 | bcmm: unfortunately not. even if I run ipferf from several clients, the sum is 10mbyte/s still |
| 08:48.29 | BCMM | eyalroz: i was wondering if there'd be a channel that might have more experience with bidi text, but apparently there's no debian hebrew channel? |
| 08:48.57 | sascha2 | jelly: 10mbyte/s total unfortunately |
| 08:49.07 | BCMM | sascha2: it was jelly who was asking about multiple iperf instances. i was asking what the network layout is, and where the iperf server sits on that |
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| 08:51.27 | BCMM | sascha2: e.g. are we looking at iperf client -> ib link -> iperf server? or iperf client -> ib link -> some other network tech -> iperf server? |
| 08:52.01 | sascha2 | bcmm: sorry, every machine is connected by an infiniband switch. 1 hop only. iperf server <->mellanox ib card <-> switch <-> mellanox ib card <->ipferf client b-g |
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| 08:56.57 | sascha2 | bcmm: I already optimized IP4 traffic performance in sysctrl.conf as described on https://community.mellanox.com/docs/DOC-2821. No luck there |
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| 08:59.17 | sascha2 | bcmm: odd thing is, my debian test installation with qlogic ib cards with 20gbit behaves the same way. |
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| 09:18.33 | Iridos | sascha2, can you put actual output in a pastebin? |
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| 09:21.01 | sascha2 | iridos: one moment please, preparing data |
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| 09:24.10 | Iridos | and did you try ib_send_bw? |
| 09:25.59 | sascha2 | iridos: https://pastebin.com/9rUcGUDr |
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| 10:00.23 | Iridos | sascha2, what other network tech do you have in there? is that the correct interface? |
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| 10:02.20 | Iridos | We have an old intel qdr… I get 15 Gbits/s with iperf3 -c n0711ib -l 1M -b0 |
| 10:02.45 | Iridos | mmh, that are a nominal 40 actually as well |
| 10:02.55 | eyalroz | BCMM: https://superuser.com/questions/1338196/ |
| 10:02.56 | Iridos | Haven't looked at that stuff in ages |
| 10:03.44 | eyalroz | Actually, that link is intended for anyone who might be willing to help me with a keyboard-layout-related issue on Stretch (~= ASCII) |
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| 10:04.57 | BCMM | !tell eyalroz -about debian-based |
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| 10:06.15 | BCMM | (am i using dpkg correctly there? i'm not actually sure what that did) |
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| 10:06.22 | eyalroz | @BCMM: Let's not get into the political argument. |
| 10:06.50 | BCMM | eyalroz: it's not a political argument. this channel is #debian. |
| 10:07.11 | Iridos | ask in #devuan if it's devuan… |
| 10:07.27 | BCMM | eyalroz: #devuan is a different channel |
| 10:07.42 | eyalroz | Yes, and this is a Debian issue, it's not - prima facie - related to the systemd-removal aspects of Devuan. |
| 10:08.04 | eyalroz | If you suspect it might be, then I'll go ask there. |
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| 10:08.34 | Iridos | we don't care. There's a hundred derivatives of Debian and it's extremely frustrating to find out that they differ in some unexpected way relevant to some bug, so we don't do that |
| 10:08.46 | BCMM | eyalroz: the fact is that you do not have a problem with debian here |
| 10:09.02 | BCMM | eyalroz: (unless you've tried reproducing the problem on debian?) |
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| 10:10.09 | Iridos | if you have spent an hour debugging a problem to find out it's caused by some small and unexpectedly relevant difference from debian… and if you did that for a couple of times, you'll know what I mean |
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| 10:11.42 | BCMM | eyalroz: i'm not opposed to the existance of devuan, i'm just saying they should support their own users |
| 10:12.11 | eyalroz | BCMM: Yes I do, and no, I have not tried installing Stretch and reproducing it there. But more generally, I don't accept the view that Devuan is not Debian. |
| 10:12.30 | BCMM | eyalroz: ... then what *is* it? |
| 10:12.56 | Iridos | well, it's not… it's a derivative, like a 1000 others. |
| 10:13.12 | BCMM | eyalroz: i mean, have you read the literal first sentence on devuan.org? |
| 10:13.41 | BCMM | eyalroz: if there are not enough support resources for you on another distro, that's a reason to reconsider using that distro, not a reason to ask some other distro that is more active. you could try ##linux, though. |
| 10:13.48 | eyalroz | Iridos: That's what I disagree with. But I would really rather not get into that argument. If you refuse to consider this issue because it comes up in Devuan, I'll have to grudginly live with that. |
| 10:13.55 | FinalX | why do you guys even bother with this troll |
| 10:14.04 | Iridos | eyalroz, we don't care if you disagree |
| 10:14.15 | BCMM | eyalroz: i really struggle to see how you managed to download devuan in the first place without learning that it's a fork of debian |
| 10:14.27 | Iridos | BCMM, let's drop it, ok? |
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| 10:17.31 | Iridos | sascha2, drop me a line if you learn something interesting… our cluster with IB runs on Redhat and I basically see the same behavior… it could be because it's IPoIB… dunno. We'll acquire a new cluster soon and I'll need to make some benchmarks for testing the network… and it's not good that I seem to have forgotten such a lot about the last time 5 years ago |
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| 10:19.50 | Iridos | but ib_read_bw doesn't really give me anything better… and config shows it's correctly at 4x10Gb |
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| 10:29.09 | jvava | hi |
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| 10:31.09 | jvava | I have a usb drive about 16g, after dd debian-livecd iso into it, much of it is wasteful, I can not write anything on it. so I dont know whether I can partition then make a bootable and have other room can be used. |
| 10:31.57 | bolovanos | hithere |
| 10:31.59 | RoyK | jvava: you need one usb drive to dd the installer onto and then use the installer to install to the other - like if it were a disk |
| 10:32.46 | jvava | and must with esp partition, because my box can be booted only with uefi |
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| 10:33.32 | jvava | RoyK, thank you, I get, use it as a hard drive |
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| 10:34.28 | bolovanos | in which log can I find information why "/etc/logrotate.d/MySetupLogrotate" does not work (it was working until Feb of this year)... |
| 10:34.30 | bolovanos | ? |
| 10:34.39 | RoyK | jvava: indeed |
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| 10:36.26 | jvava | RoyK, I had tried dd the iso into a partition and it was not bootable. |
| 10:36.45 | bolovanos | "cat /var/lib/logrotate/status" is of no use - because there is no furthe information other than last successful run |
| 10:37.19 | RoyK | jvava: you need to dd the iso directly onto the drive, not onto a partition |
| 10:37.41 | RoyK | dd if=some.iso of=/dev/sdX where sdX is your usb drive |
| 10:38.37 | RoyK | add bs=1M status=progress to that one as well |
| 10:39.04 | RoyK | without bs=1M, it'll use a blocksize of 512 bytes, meaning it'll take hours to dd it |
| 10:39.42 | bassil | ănyone know if debian is a better operating system for people with emf sensitivity than other os's? |
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| 10:39.47 | jvava | RoyK, yes, then I dd the iso onto the drive , but much of it is wasteful, so I will try install debian on the drive, thank you. |
| 10:40.22 | sascha2 | iridos: yes, there is a gigabit interface on each machine also, but those run on a different ip net |
| 10:40.37 | FinalX | dd will only write as much as the image you're writing is, not the entire flash drive |
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| 10:40.52 | RoyK | bassil: yes, debian magically removes magnetic waves from the house - it's quite famous for it |
| 10:41.02 | FinalX | so the rest is still partionable / resizable partition + grow fs |
| 10:41.41 | RoyK | FinalX: I'd recommend installing onto a flash drive instead of 'fixing' a live thing |
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| 10:42.00 | jvava | FinalX, do you means that I can guess from where I can partition it, now except esp partition, no second partition, |
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| 10:42.12 | FinalX | RoyK: I didn't and don't disagree, just saying that "wasteful" as jvava said, is relative :) |
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| 10:42.50 | FinalX | jvava: you might be able to, but I'd still do what RoyK recommended |
| 10:43.32 | jvava | FinalX, I agree on installation is secure enough, but I'm a bit lazy |
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| 10:44.10 | FinalX | if you're lazy I would especially follow the route RoyK recommended, other ways of doing it are a way bigger pita :) |
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| 10:45.46 | jvava | FinalX, RoyK, I will try guess a position and make a new partition available, I can accept any result, :=), thank you all, |
| 10:46.09 | bassil | RoyK: do you happen to know of a tutorial on how to install Debian? or someone that can help? |
| 10:46.11 | aleray | hi, I just hit a warning message while upgrading debian 8: The extlinux package does not ship bootloader integration anymore |
| 10:46.21 | RoyK | bassil: just google it - it's simple |
| 10:46.54 | bassil | ok |
| 10:46.57 | aleray | I only have extlinux install; and no grub |
| 10:47.04 | aleray | it is on a server |
| 10:47.10 | aleray | what should I do? |
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| 10:48.22 | jvava | if no other os installed, grub is not required, right? |
| 10:50.01 | RoyK | jvava: normally you want grub |
| 10:50.16 | RoyK | unless you use systemd-boot or something else |
| 10:50.38 | aleray | it says : "If you are upgrading to this version of EXTLINUX your system will not boot any longer if EXTLINUX was the only configured bootloader. Please install GRUB" |
| 10:51.03 | RoyK | just use grub - it works |
| 10:51.09 | jvava | RoyK, I see |
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| 10:52.11 | RoyK | you still want grub even if there's only one installation - suddenly you have a problem with something and want to add kernel parameters on bootup or boot in single user mode - or use an older kernel for some reason |
| 10:52.18 | aleray | RoyK, so I install Grub, right? Even on a server |
| 10:52.24 | RoyK | indeed |
| 10:52.45 | RoyK | aleray: I've used grub on everything since it took over from lilo |
| 10:52.57 | aleray | RoyK, like this: "apt-get install grub-common grub-pc grub-pc-bin" (found that there: https://eltuxracer.blogspot.com/2015/02/solved-fixed-extlinux-package-does-not.html) |
| 10:53.23 | RoyK | probably - I've never installed it manually |
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| 10:55.54 | aleray | RoyK, jvava thanks |
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| 11:03.48 | bolovanos | Anyone using logrotate with forced xz compression? I was successfuly until Stretch... with settings "compresscmd xz" but "logrotate -d "error: /etc/logrotate.d/application:16 compression program xz is not an executable file" gives me error: /etc/logrotate.d/application:16 compression program xz is not an executable file"? |
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| 11:06.53 | Fox | bolovanos: that's related to logrotate, not debian, but did you try with /usr/bin/xz ? |
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| 11:10.24 | Fox | bolovanos: from logrotate 3.12.3 changelog: compress and uncompress now take commands from $PATH, too (#122) |
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| 11:11.46 | bolovanos | Fox, sry - did not know that each deb app have its own channel :), anyway - it did the trick - this was changed from prev deb versiou I was using |
| 11:11.52 | bolovanos | Fox, thank you! |
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| 11:12.48 | Nitrogen | Greetings. When I press "Open file with...", it automatically saves that programm as the default for the future. How can I avoid that? |
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| 11:22.40 | annadane | Nitrogen, probably depends on the DE |
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| 11:25.06 | Nitrogen | annadane It's Xfce |
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| 11:27.25 | annadane | Nitrogen, see "modying actions" on https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/working-with-files-and-folders, could help |
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| 11:29.57 | annadane | s/modying/modifdying |
| 11:30.00 | annadane | sigh. |
| 11:30.03 | annadane | modifying. |
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| 11:32.03 | Fox | bolovanos: no problem, you're welcome :) |
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| 11:52.05 | puffgone | hello |
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| 11:52.23 | puffgone | trying to install winusb (with gui?) on NetRunner (Debian) |
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| 11:52.34 | puffgone | i am facing some troubles |
| 11:52.47 | annadane | !netrunner |
| 11:52.47 | dpkg | Netrunner is an operating system based on <Kubuntu>. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.netrunner-os.com/ |
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| 11:57.18 | puffgone | https://paste.debian.net/plainh/01593c26 |
| 11:57.44 | puffgone | annadane, netrunner made a debian version which i am running |
| 11:58.19 | annadane | the trouble is that even then we don't know what changes netrunner made to "debian" |
| 11:58.53 | annadane | we could give you advice, but it might be wrong at best and dangerous at worst |
| 11:59.57 | puffgone | its ok lets try |
| 12:00.36 | BCMM | annadane, puffgone: the factoid needs to be updated, since netrunner is no longer based on kubuntu. but that doesn't change the fact that it's *based on* debian, not *actually debian* |
| 12:01.19 | BCMM | !debian-based |
| 12:01.19 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 12:01.24 | jelly | what's a "netrunner" |
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| 12:02.44 | BCMM | actually, where can one report obsolete/incorrect dpkg factoids? |
| 12:04.30 | Iridos | jelly, sounds like some type of spider |
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| 12:05.52 | annadane | BCMM, you can change them yourself |
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| 12:06.08 | BCMM | annadane: oh right, i kind of assumed it was restricted to chanops or something |
| 12:06.11 | annadane | if you know how to fix it say "dpkg, no, <factoid> is <reply> ..." |
| 12:06.28 | annadane | there's a page on how to do it all which i've subsequently lost |
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| 12:07.37 | Iridos | dpkg, netrunner =~ s/based on <Kubuntu>/<based on Debian> Testing/ |
| 12:07.37 | dpkg | Iridos: OK |
| 12:08.05 | BCMM | !netrunner |
| 12:08.05 | dpkg | Netrunner is an operating system <based on Debian> Testing. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.netrunner-os.com/ |
| 12:08.31 | BCMM | Iridos: thanks |
| 12:08.34 | Iridos | yw |
| 12:08.50 | Iridos | actually the rolling release seems to be based on arch… and their website is dead |
| 12:09.04 | BCMM | Iridos: i was thinking of putting in more explicit note that it isn't debian, as seen on !raspbian for example |
| 12:09.14 | annadane | supposedly !parrot is severely outdated and we keep telling people to go to non existent places |
| 12:09.21 | annadane | but i have no idea where things are so i haven't fixed it either |
| 12:10.24 | BCMM | Iridos: https://www.netrunner.com/netrunner-rolling-release/ is working from here... |
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| 12:11.14 | Iridos | but http://www.netrunner-os.com/ from the factoid is dead |
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| 12:11.37 | Iridos | dpkg, netrunnser =~ s/netrunner-os/netrunner/ |
| 12:11.38 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'netrunnser' to modify, Iridos |
| 12:11.42 | Iridos | dpkg, netrunner =~ s/netrunner-os/netrunner/ |
| 12:11.43 | dpkg | Iridos: OK |
| 12:12.43 | BCMM | Iridos: i didn't notice, because it redirects to netrunner.com for me... |
| 12:13.57 | BCMM | annadane: lol, looks like parrot moved to telegram... |
| 12:15.12 | annadane | also you can change factoids by /msg'ing the bot |
| 12:15.43 | BCMM | how flexible is the =~ thingy? can i do s|foo|bar| to handle URLs for example? |
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| 12:16.49 | BCMM | "You are person #1 to send an unparseable request" |
| 12:16.52 | BCMM | hmm. |
| 12:17.36 | annadane | i know there's a page for this, i wonder if i can find it |
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| 12:19.16 | annadane | oh lovely. searching for it leads me to dead links and links on the wiki with more dead links |
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| 12:21.52 | BCMM | ok i give up. i can't use s/foo/bar/ because it doesn't appear to accept any delimiters that aren't in the string, or any escape characters. i can't just change the whole factoid because apparently it's too long, even though it's shorter than the existing factoid |
| 12:22.36 | BCMM | i'm just trying to change "Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo" to "Seek help at https://docs.parrotsec.org/community" |
| 12:22.40 | annadane | dondelelcaro runs the bot so i guess any concerns or whatever can be addressed to him |
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| 12:44.24 | dionysus69 | so I had nethogs open and there was a process taking upto 100kb sec from a random ip |
| 12:44.29 | dionysus69 | what kind of traffic can this be? |
| 12:44.39 | dionysus69 | the webserver wasn't hit by this ip |
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| 12:46.46 | blackflow | dionysus69: it's hard to know wihtout a crystall ball. what process was it? did you try running tcpdump filtering on the ips or ports? |
| 12:47.03 | dionysus69 | hmm nope |
| 12:47.11 | dionysus69 | the process was ? used by root |
| 12:47.17 | dionysus69 | some random port into 30ks |
| 12:48.03 | blackflow | again, I forgot my crystall ball home. and gave you hints. process name, tcpdump filtering on IPs and/or ports to see what traffic is it. |
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| 12:51.17 | RoyK | tcpdump or wireshark - let it run for some time, dumping all traffic - then you can analyse the traffic and see if something smells fishy |
| 12:53.02 | blackflow | wireshark could be messy on a server, due to gui deps. tcpdump can store into a file with -w and that's readable by wireshark for post-hoc analysis, btw. |
| 12:54.32 | padarc | Hello guys, new to debian (with gnome) .... Everytime my laptop is @ sleep for a couple hours, my date&time is totally wrong, but i have it enabled to set date&time automatically |
| 12:54.39 | padarc | so i have to disable and enable it again |
| 12:54.45 | padarc | any idea how to fix this? |
| 12:56.44 | RoyK | padarc: sounds strange - the realtime clock should be ticking regardless of the sleep status of the laptop |
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| 12:57.13 | RoyK | blackflow: tshark is the commandline version of wireshark - it's like tcpdump on bad steroids |
| 12:57.40 | blackflow | lol |
| 12:58.26 | RoyK | I just use tshark - works well - then take the dump into wireshark (gui) somewhere else |
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| 13:00.39 | dionysus69 | ok |
| 13:00.48 | dionysus69 | so this is the connections shown in the nethogs |
| 13:00.49 | dionysus69 | http://paste.debian.net/1033235/ |
| 13:00.57 | dionysus69 | what are these? is debian connecting to these? |
| 13:01.12 | RoyK | read up on ss too - it's the netstat replacement |
| 13:02.00 | RoyK | dionysus69: it's impossible to tell what those are unless you try to strace the processes owned by root to check if something's fishy |
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| 13:02.12 | dionysus69 | how do I do that? |
| 13:02.13 | RoyK | ss should show some more info |
| 13:02.25 | dionysus69 | process is shown as question mark though |
| 13:02.45 | RoyK | start with ss - then - if you find something that looks fishy, strace -f -o trace.out -p <pid> |
| 13:02.56 | dionysus69 | hmm ok let me try |
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| 13:05.09 | blackflow | dionysus69: you need to sudo ss (or run as root anyway) to see which process owns the socket |
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| 13:07.26 | dionysus69 | ss doesnt return ports that are shown in nethogs |
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| 13:11.15 | blackflow | dionysus69: ss -4np doesn't? |
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| 13:14.06 | dionysus69 | I am talking about these kind of ports |
| 13:14.07 | dionysus69 | 36088 |
| 13:14.07 | dionysus69 | 39690 |
| 13:14.07 | dionysus69 | 45706 |
| 13:14.07 | dionysus69 | 39662 |
| 13:14.07 | dionysus69 | 45672 |
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| 13:14.28 | dionysus69 | so those ports arent shown by |
| 13:14.39 | dionysus69 | sudo ss -4np |
| 13:14.42 | RoyK | dionysus69: no need to flood - the port number is irrelevant - what's relevant are which pid is listening |
| 13:14.50 | RoyK | dpkg: tell dionysus69 about pastebin |
| 13:14.56 | dionysus69 | lol I know |
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| 13:15.05 | dionysus69 | didnt know it would paste with /n |
| 13:15.13 | lmw | \n |
| 13:15.20 | dionysus69 | yea :D |
| 13:16.24 | dionysus69 | problem maybe that the connection maybe too shortlived so by the time I run ss it's gone |
| 13:18.20 | RoyK | try to stop all processes that will be used for legit traffic and see if there's something left |
| 13:18.59 | blackflow | dionysus69: so tcpdump and filter on teh IPs or like this: tcpdump -n 'src <your ip> and dst port 443' |
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| 13:24.08 | TheNoobJohn | what does it means when i get prompted: wheezy Release' does not have a Release file. |
| 13:24.38 | colo-work | ... that you should upgrade to a release that isn't end-of-life ;) |
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| 13:35.46 | TheNoobJohn | https://paste.debian.net/plain/1033239 |
| 13:35.51 | TheNoobJohn | PLEASE HELP ME |
| 13:35.54 | TheNoobJohn | :) |
| 13:36.30 | annadane | TheNoobJohn, you probably need to update, wheezy isn't supported now |
| 13:36.48 | annadane | also, uh. |
| 13:36.53 | TheNoobJohn | look at the file, its the first line |
| 13:36.56 | annadane | consider reinstalling completely, that's one hell of a frankendebian |
| 13:37.15 | TheNoobJohn | i have NetRunner (Debian Version) and i am trying to install winusb |
| 13:37.28 | annadane | were you here earlier? |
| 13:37.33 | annadane | we said, netrunner is not supported |
| 13:37.37 | annadane | in this channel |
| 13:38.00 | TheNoobJohn | yes hi AnnaDane |
| 13:38.13 | TheNoobJohn | could you try and help me anyway?? |
| 13:38.22 | annadane | no, sorry |
| 13:38.44 | annadane | but really, just reinstall. you're mixing debian testing, wheezy, you have ubuntu PPAs in there... |
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| 13:39.06 | TheNoobJohn | ok |
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| 13:39.44 | annadane | you can't just take x package from here and y package from there, these packages pull in dependencies and result in mixed systems very difficult to untangle |
| 13:41.15 | TheNoobJohn | ok |
| 13:41.25 | TheNoobJohn | thank you |
| 13:41.51 | TheNoobJohn | i will try to install ubuntu because i need to make a usb drive with windows on it, and for that i need winusb |
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| 13:43.00 | TheNoobJohn | i think its possible on debian to install winusb, just not for me, i have tried for too long now |
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| 13:51.45 | mrig | Hi, trying to format an SD disk on my debian system, but dont seem to be able to make the disk readable by my external recording device, would really appreciate your help. |
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| 13:53.44 | Something1 | How are you doing it? |
| 13:54.05 | mrig | Something1 using 'disks' at the moment. |
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| 13:55.09 | mrig | essentially the disk worked just fine, out of the box, but I formatted to change the name as this seemed to be the only option form there. The digital recorder no longer likes the disk. |
| 13:55.28 | mrig | it is a high capacity SDXC card |
| 13:55.53 | Something1 | And you kept the same filesystem? |
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| 13:56.44 | mrig | yes, but it no longer appears in the same way |
| 13:56.52 | mrig | I have the readout here : |
| 13:56.58 | RoyK | mrig: does it show up if you run 'lsblk'? |
| 13:57.29 | Haohmaru | can't you draw a dumb filled rectangle in gimp?! |
| 13:57.52 | mrig | My system can read it fine, it is the external recorder that no longer likes the disk. |
| 13:59.30 | mrig | http://ix.io/1gQF |
| 13:59.45 | mrig | the top is the description of the disk that is readable |
| 14:00.17 | mrig | when I tried it in the recorder it attempted to reformat the disk and failed, so I tried to repair with fsck |
| 14:00.54 | mrig | after reformatting to NTFS in disks it is readable again, but will not ork on the external device. |
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| 14:02.36 | mrig | RoyK, yep it is there with lsblk |
| 14:02.41 | Something1 | So it was exfat before, but you reformatted to change the label, and now it is not readable by the device? |
| 14:02.58 | throstur | anyone know how I can convert an Arch PKGBUILD to some kind of dpkg thing? |
| 14:02.59 | mrig | Something1, that is the crux of it yep. |
| 14:04.27 | mrig | I can work with this as one is to be the remote disk and the other a backup on the computer, but it would be nice if the backup would work in the remote device, I would love to understand what is happening here too. |
| 14:05.05 | RoyK | mrig: then just put a partition on it with fdisk or something and then a fat32 fs on top - should work |
| 14:05.29 | mrig | But the device is way to big for fat32 though? |
| 14:05.52 | Something1 | And what happens when, in a terminal, you do ¨mkfs.exfat -n labelname /dev/mmcblk0p1¨? |
| 14:05.57 | Something1 | It´s not too big for fat32 |
| 14:06.00 | RoyK | mrig: how big? |
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| 14:06.12 | mrig | Was wondering is a dd from the untouched disk to the other might be worth a try. |
| 14:06.38 | mrig | 128G |
| 14:06.45 | Something1 | Fat can do 2TB |
| 14:07.13 | mrig | oh I had no idea, is that 64 bit or something? |
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| 14:07.28 | Something1 | No, just 32 bit :) |
| 14:07.35 | RoyK | mrig: no - 32bit - but with a sector size of 512 bytes, the math is simple :) |
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| 14:08.32 | Iridos | did you just call us fat? |
| 14:08.39 | mrig | I thought that the address space was to small, but am still very much a beginner when it comes to hardware. |
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| 14:09.17 | RoyK | mrig: it's too small for large stuff, that is > 2TiB, but works with < 2TiB |
| 14:09.49 | mrig | Iridos: a slim fat32 bits would look great on the back end of any bus :P |
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| 14:10.36 | throstur | I'm trying to make ; make install something but it has a buttload of dependencies. How do you debians usually do this? |
| 14:10.58 | RoyK | checkinstall is usually an easier way |
| 14:11.13 | throstur | what is that even |
| 14:11.24 | RoyK | but you may have to install a bunch of packages anyway - usually there's a readme or INSTALL document that list those |
| 14:11.26 | throstur | sorry I only know how to build PKGBUILDs :/ |
| 14:11.55 | RoyK | man checkinstall? |
| 14:12.07 | Something1 | mrig, have you figured it out yet? |
| 14:12.25 | throstur | RoyK: no manual entry for checkinstall |
| 14:12.59 | annadane | it has to actually be installed first |
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| 14:13.18 | annadane | that said https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/checkinstall/checkinstall.8.en.html |
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| 14:13.52 | mrig | Something1: not yet, so is the fat32 partition on top the exFAT that is referenced on the functioning disk? |
| 14:14.15 | mrig | This give a 32bit boot entry point or something of the sort? |
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| 14:14.23 | Something1 | Excuse me? |
| 14:14.28 | mrig | for the external device |
| 14:14.57 | RoyK | mrig: put the fat32 fs on the partition, not on exfat |
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| 14:15.06 | mrig | Something1: sorry, still trying to assimilate, can take some time ... |
| 14:15.18 | mrig | RoyK: oj just format it as fat 32? |
| 14:15.33 | Something1 | Can´t hurt to try :) |
| 14:15.49 | RoyK | if you don't have any data there, remove the partition first, create a new one, mkfs -t vfat /dev/sdX1 ; you're done |
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| 14:16.12 | mrig | I did try formating as FAT but that didn't work, will try looking again now that I have a little more thought on the matter. |
| 14:16.32 | mrig | RoyK: ok will try that |
| 14:16.42 | RoyK | vfat has been working for 20+ years with linux |
| 14:16.49 | RoyK | I doubt much have changed lately |
| 14:16.51 | mrig | yes blank disks for now |
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| 14:17.20 | mrig | RoyK: it is my ignorance of file systems and disks that needs to change :D |
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| 14:17.25 | RoyK | mrig: you may want to zero it completely - dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=1M count=10 # something |
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| 14:17.55 | RoyK | then create a new partition table with a single partition on which you put a fat32/vfat fs |
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| 14:18.41 | RoyK | mrig: make sure you don't give dd the wrong of dev - it may ruin your day :þ |
| 14:18.48 | mrig | Tis an awsome thing to have over 100 hours of cd quality audio on such a tiny disk! |
| 14:19.14 | mrig | RoyK: heh, well this is kind of why I wanted to change the disk name in the first place! |
| 14:19.23 | RoyK | started out with a PC with an enormous drive of 120MB |
| 14:20.00 | mrig | Ah, back when every bit counted, and bytes were nibbled! |
| 14:20.22 | RoyK | there are two nibbles on a byte ;) |
| 14:20.44 | RoyK | nibble is oldschool for 4 bits |
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| 14:21.31 | Something1 | mrig, if you´re sure that it originally had exfat, you may want to try ´sudo mkfs.exfat /dev/mmcblk0p1´ in a terminal, as maybe the recorder expects a superfloppy |
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| 14:21.48 | mrig | right these devices seem to like the name mmcblk0 |
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| 14:22.23 | mrig | Something1: ah yes was wondering if it was something to do with the nomenclature. |
| 14:22.46 | RoyK | mrig: what sort of device is it? I thought you were talking about usb |
| 14:22.52 | mrig | Something1: yes the untouched disk has this on it |
| 14:23.10 | mrig | RoyK: it is a tascam DR40 audio recorder |
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| 14:23.18 | RoyK | ok |
| 14:23.25 | mrig | real nice piece of equipment |
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| 14:23.53 | mrig | I imagine it is 32bit inside, don't know though. |
| 14:23.55 | Something1 | File systemFAT16/32 |
| 14:23.55 | Something1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:24.19 | mrig | Yes some wizardry to get the disk to be read. |
| 14:24.33 | Something1 | So just ¨sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1¨ should be enough to make it work.. |
| 14:24.46 | mrig | oh cool, no dd? |
| 14:24.52 | RoyK | nah |
| 14:24.57 | mrig | superb |
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| 14:25.09 | RoyK | that was just to purge it if just mkfs -t vfat doesn't do it |
| 14:25.17 | RoyK | mkfs -t blah is the same as mkfs.blah |
| 14:25.24 | mrig | so this is linux makeing the entrypoint for a fat system ontop of the partition that it has already made? |
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| 14:25.58 | RoyK | the partition is just a - well - partition - it tells the OS how much you can use - the filesystem is on top of that |
| 14:26.10 | RoyK | or inside it |
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| 14:28.01 | mrig | Ah, it is still trying to reformat the card. |
| 14:28.10 | mrig | perhaps it does not like the name? |
| 14:28.34 | Something1 | How long is it? |
| 14:28.37 | mrig | The device may have named the card initialy |
| 14:28.39 | RoyK | mrig: is the filesystem mounted? |
| 14:28.53 | mrig | I called it DR40-01b |
| 14:28.55 | RoyK | mrig: pastebin output of lsblk, please |
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| 14:29.09 | mrig | will remount, just a sec ... |
| 14:29.39 | RoyK | mrig: and output of 'mount' |
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| 14:32.02 | mrig | here is the output: http://ix.io/1gQV |
| 14:32.45 | RoyK | ok, so you have it mounted as vfat - what was the issue again? |
| 14:33.26 | mrig | Well it is not liked by the device, which tries to format it when started with it inside. |
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| 14:34.13 | RoyK | hm - ok - let the tascam format it, then - it may use some metadata it likes |
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| 14:34.23 | RoyK | copy the data out first, obviously |
| 14:34.34 | Something1 | You don´t need to reformat to change the label usually! |
| 14:35.05 | RoyK | Something1: well, it's sometimes easier to let the device do what it wants instead of guessing ;) |
| 14:35.20 | mrig | Something1: seemed to require it, I need to learn more about using disks though, so highly likely that this is user error. |
| 14:35.39 | mrig | ok will let it do its thing again |
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| 14:36.02 | mrig | different startpoint this time as it was not vfat last time |
| 14:36.05 | RoyK | mrig: we all make mistakes ;) |
| 14:36.27 | Something1 | Afterwards you can plug it back into the computer and see what kind of storage it is |
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| 14:37.30 | RoyK | mrig: if the plan is to use that tascam as it is - just let it format its storage - linux should be able to read it - well - anything should, really |
| 14:37.34 | mrig | It says invalid card change card |
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| 14:37.59 | mrig | likely that my system can no longer read it now, so how might I get some information from this? |
| 14:38.11 | Something1 | It formatted the card and then said it is invalid? |
| 14:38.13 | RoyK | mrig: hm - perhaps overwrite it with zeros - the dd command I posted above |
| 14:38.28 | RoyK | mrig: then let the tascam try to format it again |
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| 14:38.31 | mrig | ah ok, then start the device with it in |
| 14:38.39 | mrig | cool, ok will try that. |
| 14:38.46 | RoyK | mrig: you probably only need to overwrite 10-20 megs or so |
| 14:38.49 | RoyK | or even 1 |
| 14:38.57 | RoyK | but it won't hurt to zero some more |
| 14:39.24 | RoyK | FAT is a *very* simple filesystem - everything that matters is in the front of the disk |
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| 14:43.50 | mrig | This time it tried to init the card and failed ... |
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| 14:44.12 | RoyK | mrig: did you umount the filesystem before trying dd? |
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| 14:44.53 | mrig | will check that, normaly it was not mounted because the disk was not readable by the system. |
| 14:45.05 | hans_ | does b2sum generate blake2b or blake2s hashes? |
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| 14:45.45 | mrig | Oh my mistake, yes it was mounted, will do that again. |
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| 14:46.03 | hans_ | the manpage doesn't say |
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| 14:47.30 | mrig | mbr error init card ... which then fails. |
| 14:47.35 | mrig | hum |
| 14:47.56 | RoyK | eh? |
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| 14:49.36 | mrig | Ah this is creating a exfat system without the NTFS partition underneath. |
| 14:50.04 | mrig | So I need a blank NTFS on the disk, will try that again |
| 14:50.16 | Something1 | Emm |
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| 14:50.59 | Something1 | Did you do the dd command on the card and then tried to let the recorder format it? |
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| 14:51.42 | hans_ | given that it's faster than md5, it's probably blake2b |
| 14:51.52 | hans_ | (well, faster than md5sum on a 40GB file for me) |
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| 14:53.40 | mrig | Something1, yes I did, but the recorder rejects the disk |
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| 14:54.11 | Something1 | What was the exact command you used to do the dd? |
| 14:54.35 | RoyK | mrig: ntfs? those things usually use fat32 |
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| 14:55.01 | RoyK | mrig: and you don't have exfat on top of ntfs |
| 14:56.03 | awal1 | ,v midori |
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| 14:57.26 | RoyK | mrig: partitions are bounderies - filesystems are filesystems - so either you have exfat or ntfs or fat32 or ext4 or xfs or - well - whatever - but you very rarely have one filsystem on top of another except perhaps when you're virtualising machines |
| 14:58.42 | mrig | ah ok, getting the idea, let the system name the NTFS partition automatically and it is to big for the fat system, will try again |
| 14:59.03 | RoyK | it's not too big for fat32 - the limit is 2TiB |
| 14:59.22 | RoyK | and you have less than a 16th of that |
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| 14:59.42 | mrig | RoyK, the name was to long |
| 14:59.53 | RoyK | what name? |
| 15:00.21 | mrig | the name of the partion that was auto generated, gave the error when I tried to make it vfat |
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| 15:01.27 | mrig | kexfatfs 1.2.5 |
| 15:01.29 | mrig | Creating... done. |
| 15:01.31 | mrig | Flushing... done. |
| 15:01.33 | mrig | File system created successfully.Y |
| 15:01.41 | RoyK | exfat isn't vfat |
| 15:01.46 | mrig | All sounds very positive! |
| 15:01.51 | Something1 | Might be best to paste all the steps you take into here, mrig. Because I don´t really know what exactly you´re doing |
| 15:02.05 | mrig | RoyK: the working disk is in exFAT though? |
| 15:02.21 | RoyK | mrig: it was mounted as vfat |
| 15:02.30 | RoyK | which is fat32 |
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| 15:02.52 | mrig | I have an NTFS partition that I am making exFAT |
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| 15:03.23 | mrig | Can not mount this disk as is on my system ... |
| 15:03.40 | mrig | So it is unlikely to work in the device :( |
| 15:04.02 | mrig | Something1: shall I dd the disk and follow your instruction? |
| 15:04.21 | RoyK | according to http://tascam.com/product/dr-40/specifications/ you need fat16 or fat32 |
| 15:04.24 | RoyK | not exfat |
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| 15:04.39 | mrig | oh, that has worked in the recorder ... |
| 15:04.46 | mrig | that is a start |
| 15:05.13 | RoyK | fat16 won't handle that size - fat32 will |
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| 15:06.05 | mrig | Well I have the disk in the system but there is clearly an issue with it. |
| 15:06.16 | mrig | in that it does not automount |
| 15:06.44 | RoyK | sd micro card or something_ |
| 15:06.45 | RoyK | ? |
| 15:06.46 | mrig | Second time it has |
| 15:07.08 | mrig | it is a full sized SDXC card |
| 15:07.11 | Something1 | The system being the recorder or the computer? |
| 15:07.21 | mrig | the computer |
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| 15:07.49 | mrig | so it has worked now which is great, I dont like not knowing why though :| |
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| 15:08.17 | Something1 | Do you mean that it works in the recorder now? |
| 15:08.24 | mrig | lsblk reports 116G |
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| 15:08.37 | mrig | yes it works in the recorder now |
| 15:09.04 | mrig | and the computer, and it has the changed name ... :) |
| 15:09.25 | mrig | heh, to change the name of the other ... ? |
| 15:09.39 | mrig | surly I can do this without formatting :) |
| 15:09.40 | Something1 | So everything is good now? |
| 15:10.00 | mrig | Something1: it would appear so,thank you very much. |
| 15:10.02 | Something1 | In the disks app you can click the gear button and click ´edit label´ |
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| 15:10.48 | Something1 | I´m still not sure what exactly you did but I am glad it works ^^; |
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| 15:11.37 | mrig | mkfs.exfat |
| 15:11.45 | mrig | seems to have done the trick |
| 15:12.13 | Something1 | I suggested that an hour ago hehe |
| 15:12.34 | mrig | Thank you very much Something1 and RoyK, I am going to extrapolate all info from the conversation and make a note on how to do this. |
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| 15:13.19 | mrig | Something1: heh yes, first thing that you said ... dang if I only knew how to listen! |
| 15:13.47 | RoyK | mrig: weird - the docs specifically say fat16 or fat32 - not exfat |
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| 15:14.00 | mrig | RoyK: oh does it! |
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| 15:14.34 | mrig | Could be that the system makes the exfat from this? |
| 15:14.36 | RoyK | I posted a link above |
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| 15:15.32 | mrig | RoyK: thank you, I am going to copy the entire conversation and go through it, I do tend to miss sections in irc chat. |
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| 15:15.44 | mrig | get there in the end though :) |
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| 15:22.19 | mrig | Ah there we go : DR40_01a and DR40_01b ... Thanks! |
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| 15:25.33 | Something1 | yay mrig! |
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| 15:35.11 | RoyK | mrig: congtrats ;) |
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| 16:05.40 | ov3rmind | hi great guys! |
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| 16:35.38 | chibill | I am having some trouble getting my neatgear Wifi dongle working on Debian 9.4 (Its a neatgear usibg the realtek 8187B chipset) |
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| 16:38.04 | alekz | lot of info missing in that statement |
| 16:38.42 | Brigo | alekz, it would be too easy otherwise |
| 16:39.06 | chibill | I don't have much more information to give you. |
| 16:39.18 | chibill | What else do you need? |
| 16:39.29 | petn-randall | chibill: Most wifi devices require firmware that you need to install before it being functional. What is the output of `lsusb` when you plug it in? |
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| 16:40.08 | petn-randall | chibill: Also the last lines from /var/log/kern.log when you plug it in would be relevant. You can paste it all to https://paste.debian.net. |
| 16:40.28 | chibill | Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0846:4260 NetGear, Inc WG111v3 54 Mbps Wireless [realtek RTL8187B] |
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| 16:40.48 | chibill | Also I am on my laptop right now copying the output from the desktop which has the problem |
| 16:41.44 | chibill | The wifi dongle shows up. And worked during the net install. |
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| 16:42.00 | chibill | But now that I am installed I can't connect to any wifi APs. |
| 16:42.00 | timdiels | I have a single user samba share which refuses to read or write unless I give the share 777 permission and mask. How can I give it a sensible permission while having it work? Currently I have the share owner set to the user which logs in in smb. |
| 16:42.20 | timdiels | *and set the mask to 0777 |
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| 16:45.45 | petn-randall | chibill: What does the kern.log say? That's the interesting bit. |
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| 16:47.35 | chibill | I am working on copying that over to my laptop so I can paste it. |
| 16:47.40 | chibill | in the website |
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| 16:50.55 | chibill | https://paste.debian.net/1033298/ |
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| 16:57.36 | chibill | petn-randall https://paste.debian.net/1033298/ |
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| 16:58.05 | chibill | And here is the log from when I attempt to join the Wifi AP |
| 16:58.07 | chibill | https://paste.debian.net/1033299/ |
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| 17:00.52 | p0lyph3m | chibill: is wifi disabled on hardware ? laptop (Fn+F3) or other kindof switch ? |
| 17:01.01 | petn-randall | "aborting authentication with 1c:1b:68:d5:e4:a0 by local choice (Reason: 3=DEAUTH_LEAVING)" |
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| 17:01.17 | chibill | Its a desktop and I don't think so as this is an external wifi dongle. |
| 17:01.23 | petn-randall | chibill: ^^^ This sounds like a software problem to me. Do you have something else running that interferes with it? |
| 17:01.56 | chibill | Nope. This is a brand new install. Oddly it worked during the net-install. |
| 17:02.48 | petn-randall | chibill: Which installation image did you use? |
| 17:03.16 | chibill | debian-9.1.0-amd64-netinst |
| 17:03.53 | petn-randall | chibill: And you're sure you were connected via wifi and not Ethernet? |
| 17:04.13 | chibill | No ethernet to this box at all. (Its a whole floor away. |
| 17:04.16 | chibill | ) |
| 17:05.08 | Okee | Can someone provide guidance on how to install Debian from a remote source when there is already another distro installed? I just bought a System 76 and it has the infamous gnome and pop. I want to get rid of it and installed debian stable with xfce and lmdx |
| 17:05.11 | vfw | chibill: I may be late to the conversation, but have you identified the wifi chip? (what does lspci say about it?) |
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| 17:05.33 | chibill | lspci says nothing because its a USB dongle. Which says its a tealtek RTL8187B |
| 17:05.46 | chibill | lsusb* |
| 17:05.48 | chibill | ^ |
| 17:05.51 | dreamer | hi all, the ethernet device on my stretch machine is somehow stuck on 10MB/s -> https://hastebin.com/exulivubaq.sql |
| 17:06.17 | dreamer | I tried setting `pre-up ethtool -s eth0 speed 1000` in /etc/network/interfaces but no luck |
| 17:06.33 | dreamer | any idea what's wrong? |
| 17:06.35 | n4dir | i got a netgear wifi dongle with a realtek 8187B chipset. It always worked out of box , but i haven't used it in ages and am not much in wifi stuff. Just as an info. chibill |
| 17:06.40 | vfw | chibill: https://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x |
| 17:07.24 | chibill | vfw the problem is not it not seeing the device. It knows its wifi. |
| 17:07.25 | Okee | everything is broken with gnome, cant minimize the screen, gnome tweak toolkit is broken, and keyboard looses focus about every other word of typing. |
| 17:07.29 | dreamer | dmesg says: [ 79.795863] e1000e: eth0 NIC Link is Up 10 Mbps Full Duplex, Flow Control: Rx/Tx |
| 17:07.31 | n4dir | i bought it *because* it didn't need non-free to work, iirc the kernel supported it |
| 17:07.33 | p0lyph3m | chibill: output of : sudo /usr/sbin/rfkill list |
| 17:07.34 | chibill | It just won't connect to anything. |
| 17:07.56 | Okee | i got bumped but I'm back. How do I install from a remote location? |
| 17:08.00 | vfw | chibill: iwconfig (Does that tell you anything?) |
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| 17:08.27 | chibill | I have no rfkill installed appearantly. |
| 17:08.38 | chibill | And iwconfig shows it fine. |
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| 17:08.50 | vfw | chibill: you need rfkill |
| 17:08.56 | chibill | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:09.18 | chibill | How would I install rfkill on a machine with no internet. ? |
| 17:10.05 | chibill | And why would it not install rfkill? (Seeing as the dongle worked for the net-install jsut fine) |
| 17:10.07 | vfw | chibill: iwlist scan |
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| 17:10.45 | chibill | Says wlx00223ff0731f Interface doesn't support scanning: Devie or resource busy. |
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| 17:10.51 | n4dir | chroot if you got a live-image which can connect to the net, else go to packages.debian.org, download it and it's deps to a usb-stick and install it manually. Not saying you need rfkill, just how you could install it. |
| 17:11.26 | chibill | vfw why would I need rfkill? |
| 17:11.35 | vfw | chibill: More-than-likely, your device is blocked.... |
| 17:11.46 | chibill | by what? |
| 17:13.06 | vfw | chibill: I don't know.... |
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| 17:13.43 | vfw | chibill: But if iwconfig shows you information about it, then it must be working. |
| 17:13.51 | chibill | What is a fresh install would block it. :/ Welp time to figure out how to get rfkill installed. |
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| 17:14.01 | p0lyph3m | chibill: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/rfkill-is-killing-me-no-wifi-soft-block-debian-wheezy-rtl8187-4175501027/ |
| 17:14.08 | vfw | chibill: In the output of iwconfig, does it show an essid assigned to it? |
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| 17:14.52 | chibill | off/any |
| 17:14.54 | [E]sc | how can i see which processes are reading or writing on my hard drive? |
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| 17:15.03 | idle- | lsof |
| 17:15.05 | vfw | chibill: It would be very helpful to acquire a wired internet connection to temporarily repair your system. |
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| 17:15.30 | vfw | chibill: What is the name of it? |
| 17:15.38 | chibill | Can't do that unless I get a 200 ft long ether net cord to go down the stairs. |
| 17:15.42 | chibill | of the card? |
| 17:15.43 | vfw | chibill: See if you can assign an essid to it. |
| 17:15.48 | chibill | from iwconfig? |
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| 17:16.28 | vfw | chibill: Let us assume yours has the same name as mine: |
| 17:16.36 | chibill | I can assign one to it. |
| 17:16.40 | chibill | for the essid |
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| 17:17.11 | vfw | iwconfig wlp3s0 essid <essid-of-my-wifi-router> |
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| 17:17.30 | chibill | I jsut said I did that for my wifi AP on the system... |
| 17:17.46 | vfw | chibill: Ok, then, if your wifi requires no authentication, just do this: |
| 17:18.00 | vfw | dhclient wlp3s0 |
| 17:18.10 | vfw | or dhcpcd wlp3s0 |
| 17:18.17 | chibill | it requires auth. And it sits there and does nothing even when I give it the key in the key argument. |
| 17:18.31 | vfw | (where wlp3s0 is the name of *your* wifi device. |
| 17:18.59 | vfw | chibill: Login to your router and temporarily disable authentication. |
| 17:19.15 | vfw | chibill: (That will make it easy to connect. |
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| 17:20.05 | chibill | I don't want to do that because that will kick the other people on it off it untill I enable it again. |
| 17:20.16 | vfw | chibill: Another alternative is to try another USB WiFi device. |
| 17:20.48 | vfw | chibill: What is your USB device? (We don't even know what we are talking about.) |
| 17:21.03 | chibill | I don't have one. And all the ones in stores I have found are based on Broadcom chip sets which don't like to work. |
| 17:21.24 | chibill | Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0846:4260 NetGear, Inc WG111v3 54 Mbps Wireless [realtek RTL8187B] (As stated earlier) |
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| 17:21.31 | n4dir | "sits there and does nothing". usually there is a verbose switch, for dhclient it's -v. might or might not give some more info. |
| 17:21.32 | vfw | chibill: Most Broadcom chips work just fine. |
| 17:22.23 | chibill | vfw these are the ones that use the windows driver thingy when you look them up. |
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| 17:24.00 | vfw | chibill: Are you using NetworkManager? |
| 17:24.34 | chibill | Is that the default that comes up when you click the connect to wifi? |
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| 17:27.02 | vfw | chibill: ndiswrapper? |
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| 17:27.30 | p0lyph3m | chibill: cat /sys/class/rfkill/rfkill[number]/soft |
| 17:27.31 | vfw | "these are the ones that use the windows driver thingy" |
| 17:27.37 | chibill | thats what I would need if I used the new cards that are the only ones you can buy. |
| 17:28.01 | chibill | p0lyph3m just installed rfkill from usb like vfw said to. |
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| 17:28.17 | vfw | chibill: rfkill list |
| 17:28.21 | chibill | when I run rfkill list it says |
| 17:28.31 | chibill | 2: phy2 Wireless Lan |
| 17:28.38 | chibill | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.38 | vfw | chibill: (see what is blocked vs unblocked) |
| 17:28.45 | chibill | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:29.45 | vfw | chibill: So, it appears that your problem is with NetworkManager, (or what every you are using). |
| 17:29.58 | chibill | I am using the built in networking. |
| 17:30.01 | chibill | Nothing else. |
| 17:30.19 | chibill | So the problem is debian's built in stuff :/ |
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| 17:30.33 | n4dir | you could give wicd a try (for troublshooting, else many claim it wouldn't be up-to-date no more). |
| 17:30.41 | chibill | Maybe bad net-install? |
| 17:30.43 | vfw | which NetworkManager |
| 17:30.45 | zerocool | hi yall, do you know if i need to patch stable kernel in order to use nfs 4.1 |
| 17:30.58 | zerocool | or, do you know how i might be able to tell? |
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| 17:32.41 | vfw | chibill: See what network-manager-* packages you have installed? |
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| 17:32.55 | chibill | I jsut wish I knew why it worked for the net-install but won't work now that its installed. |
| 17:33.04 | vfw | chibill: Maybe network-manager-gnome ? Or...? |
| 17:33.46 | chibill | I have both a network-manager and network-manager-gnome installed |
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| 17:34.23 | vfw | chibill: (This is a bit of foriegn territory for me. I normally have desktop PCs connected via wired connections.) |
| 17:34.49 | vfw | chibill: So you are, in fact, using NetworkManager. |
| 17:34.54 | chibill | My only debian systems other then this live on a |
| 17:34.57 | chibill | VM |
| 17:35.16 | chibill | Which is the builtin network Manager? |
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| 17:35.33 | greycat | There's no such thing as a "builtin network Manager". |
| 17:35.54 | chibill | Its what came installed so it is. |
| 17:36.20 | greycat | If you installed a Desktop Environment then it probably brought in N-M with it. |
| 17:37.08 | greycat | Debian network interfaces can be managed by ifup/ifdown (which read /etc/network/interfaces), or by N-M, or by systemd-networkd, or who knows what else. |
| 17:37.21 | chibill | Is there any other place I can ask that would have more experiance with this type of stuff? |
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| 17:42.44 | alekz | lol |
| 17:42.50 | chibill | Should I try to reinstall or something? |
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| 17:45.10 | alekz | chibill: first time using debian? |
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| 17:45.28 | chibill | Nope. I have used it for years. First time having wifi problems like this. |
| 17:46.10 | chibill | And normal and software shipped with the distro I call built-in. |
| 17:46.12 | p0lyph3m | chibill: sudo rfkill unblock wifi (give it a try) |
| 17:46.25 | chibill | Even when it says its not blocked? |
| 17:47.05 | p0lyph3m | i'd try |
| 17:47.10 | chibill | also sudo is not a vaild command. so I am in the terminal as root. |
| 17:47.18 | greycat | I don't consider anything that comes with a Desktop Environment to be "built-in" or even "normal". |
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| 17:47.40 | chibill | greycat when it defaults to Desktop I would consider it pretty normal. |
| 17:47.48 | chibill | Deault is normal to me. :P |
| 17:48.20 | chibill | not sure but the iwlist scan works now. Still won't connect tho. |
| 17:48.29 | greycat | I've installed WAY more servers than desktop boxes, so normal for me is "Standard only". |
| 17:48.43 | greycat | or "Standard + SSH server" |
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| 17:49.31 | chibill | I have more servers then desktops also. I just have to uncheck the DE and enable ssh. |
| 17:49.56 | greycat | Yes, that's normal. And when you do that, there is no Network Manager. |
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| 17:50.33 | chibill | Maybe I need to get wpasupplicant? |
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| 17:51.26 | noodleking | Hi |
| 17:52.22 | noodleking | I'm looking for a good linux distro that I can use as a "headless server" in VirtualBox. I don't have any need for the desktop but I would like to have the latest versions of server software and use the latest dev software on it. |
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| 17:53.04 | greycat | If you want recommendations for anything other than Debian, ask in ##linux. |
| 17:53.07 | noodleking | I'm not sure if downloading the distro from Debian's website is a good idea or if there is a specific version outthere to meet my - not uncommon usecase - requirements |
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| 17:54.27 | p0lyph3m | chibill: as your pastes suggest , i think NetworkManager is fine , it just cant use the device which is disfunctional ; its not the rfkill switch ;its not broken cause it worked during netinstall. just to summerize . |
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| 17:55.55 | chibill | I don't get this. I do know that the netinstall did update the kernal as they are not the same. So maybe some sort of bug got introduced? |
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| 17:56.06 | p0lyph3m | chibill: did u plug the stick into different usbports? |
| 17:56.14 | chibill | As my netinstall is 9.1.0 and yes. |
| 17:56.19 | greycat | If you boot into the older kernel, does it work? |
| 17:56.33 | chibill | no idea. |
| 17:57.12 | chibill | I am going to try and boot the Rescue mode and see if it can use the wifi correctly. |
| 17:57.21 | chibill | if it can then its something weird. |
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| 17:58.30 | chibill | Welp the Rescue mode had no problem connecting :/ |
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| 18:01.00 | chibill | going to just reinstall firstly. |
| 18:01.20 | p0lyph3m | good luck |
| 18:01.34 | [E]sc | thanks idle- |
| 18:01.37 | chibill | Something tells me that something got messed up during isntall. |
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| 18:02.12 | idle- | [E]sc: np |
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| 18:04.04 | LukiDuki | Having an issue here, I successfully install dante's SOCKS5 server, but I cant start the service due to it being masked. Unmasking doesn't help eithers, what to do? |
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| 18:06.23 | noodleking | Would I be right in thinking that, to install the latest debian without the desktop, I can simply download the "Small CD" image and opt out of downloading the desktop packages? |
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| 18:06.31 | greycat | !netinst > noodleking |
| 18:06.37 | greycat | gah, wrong bot |
| 18:06.38 | noodleking | !netinst |
| 18:06.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 18:06.44 | noodleking | oh |
| 18:06.45 | noodleking | lol |
| 18:07.02 | BCMM | noodleking: yes. (in fact, you can opt out of installing the desktop stuff on the full DVD too, but that's a waste of bandwidth) |
| 18:07.06 | greycat | Or if it's a laptop or has other weird devices in it, you may want the non-free firmware netinst image instead. |
| 18:07.38 | noodleking | I'm basically installing VMs using VirtualBox, in Windows 10. |
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| 18:08.01 | BCMM | noodleking: basically you get a screen like this during the standard installation. it's basically a frontend to tasksel. https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/images/inst-tasksel.png |
| 18:08.46 | noodleking | BCMM ah, thanks for that |
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| 18:10.11 | noodleking | I used to build websites with angular and other frontend stuff ... as well as teach myself nodejs ... been years, away from computers, now going to get back into learning about those - and other - dev technologies. |
| 18:10.23 | noodleking | just wanted to get my VMs sorted first |
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| 18:12.39 | threader | build-sumple-cdd fails with code 255 reprepro updating package lists aptmethod got ' snapshot.deb.org/2018blah/dist/unstable/InRelease ' |
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| 18:23.41 | Toadisattva | I've managed to totally bork my wifi. I am using a exynos based samsung chromebook, debian 9 stretch os, network adapter is called by mlan0. I removed wicd and installed network manager so I could attempt to use my vpn but now I've got now connection at all, network manager says it is active when I run systemctl -; status NetworkManager but I keep getting a no suitable devices found error when I run any nmcli commands |
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| 18:24.06 | Toadisattva | no connection* |
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| 18:24.29 | Toadisattva | systemctl -l * |
| 18:24.35 | jelly | is itreally 'mlan0' and not say 'wlan0' |
| 18:24.44 | Toadisattva | it really is mlan0 |
| 18:24.49 | Toadisattva | these chromebooks are wonky |
| 18:26.30 | jelly | you don't need a N-M for vpn anyway, but it's probably easier to configure it that way |
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| 18:28.33 | Toadisattva | this whole debian install is kinda jury rigged so a lot of things don't really work as they should, in any case if anyone can point me where to even begin getting a connection again I can probably find my way from there |
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| 18:29.15 | SomeT | what is this command doing?: `sftp -P 4567 username@urladdress.com` |
| 18:29.27 | SomeT | I cant work out the numbers |
| 18:29.31 | SomeT | is it a port?¬ |
| 18:30.05 | Toadisattva | it just gives me usage instructions it's not recognizing the -P |
| 18:30.28 | Toadisattva | weird it does have -p in the instructions |
| 18:30.40 | SomeT | ah its illustrated as lowercase and uppercase to me |
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| 18:30.51 | SomeT | trying to setup a tunnel for a php server at my uni |
| 18:30.56 | SomeT | I got the tunnel working |
| 18:31.05 | SomeT | but accessing apache server and sql been given this command |
| 18:31.11 | Toadisattva | ah lowercase works, get netowrk is unreachable |
| 18:31.14 | SomeT | thanks |
| 18:31.27 | Toadisattva | ouldn't read packet connection reset by peer |
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| 18:32.59 | SomeT | dam this is frustrating |
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| 18:34.59 | SomeT | what does the -p signify? |
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| 18:35.09 | SomeT | I think 4567 is definitely a port # |
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| 18:36.29 | Toadisattva | maybe I should clarify my full output for that command is "ssh: connect to host 4567 port 22: Network is unreachable Couldn't read packet: Connection reset by peer |
| 18:36.32 | Toadisattva | " |
| 18:36.45 | greycat | well, host 4567 certainly sounds wrong |
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| 18:43.38 | SomeT | I am gonna have to go back to them and ask them lol |
| 18:43.46 | SomeT | its weird |
| 18:43.53 | SomeT | accessing a sftp |
| 18:44.03 | SomeT | when I access in web it comes up with a joomla folder |
| 18:44.09 | SomeT | but never toucher joomla before |
| 18:44.09 | greycat | some of SSH's client commands use -p for a port and some use -P |
| 18:44.14 | SomeT | ah |
| 18:44.22 | greycat | so make sure you're using the right option for the right command |
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| 18:49.08 | Toadisattva | kinda off topic but it's very strange that wiki.debian.org blocks me when using my vpn but lets me access it just fine on tor |
| 18:49.13 | Toadisattva | shrugs |
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| 18:51.39 | alekz | why is that strange? |
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| 19:02.18 | greycat | Why does prename give me a warning about "Deprecated program in use... Please install the separate 'rename' package..." when rename is "already the newest version (0.20-4)." |
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| 19:07.16 | SomeT | thanks for the helpsd |
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| 19:27.56 | greycat | Why, debian, why... |
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| 19:29.24 | greycat | Well anyway, https://packages.debian.org/buster/amd64/perl/filelist says /usr/bin/prename is still in buster. So if it's going to be removed (JUST TO FUCK WITH US) then this hasn't actually happened yet. |
| 19:29.37 | greycat | I wonder if it's a mortal sin to comment out the warn in /usr/bin/prename on my own box. |
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| 19:32.43 | greycat | For those who don't understand, the reason this MATTERS is there's a totally different program called "rename" on Red Hat systems, different syntax, totally incompatible. |
| 19:33.12 | ChmEarl | greycat, on RH I use perl-File-Rename |
| 19:33.13 | greycat | So the only safe thing to do is to invoke the Debian rename program as "prename" instead of "rename". This works on Debian and gives a nice friendly error message on RH instead of doing something random. |
| 19:33.28 | greycat | But now if you type "prename" on stretch you get a fucking obnoxious warning message. |
| 19:33.45 | greycat | It's like they want me to use the name "rename" but then that would be unsafe. |
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| 19:35.04 | greycat | It reminds me of when they renamed "mailx" to "s-nail" but didn't provide a "mailx" symlink to remain compatible. |
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| 19:35.48 | greycat | Do they ACTUALLY think people are going to go change every freakin' shell script to use s-nail instead of mailx?! |
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| 19:43.16 | padomay | hi there. is anyone here using the cinnamon desktop? any problems with it? |
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| 19:48.46 | mist_ | hey guys, one of my devs decided to quit my team and didn't tell anyone how to get into the database machine so i've now reset the root password and created users for me and some others |
| 19:48.57 | mist_ | unfortunately, it seems nobody can log in with username/password |
| 19:49.19 | greycat | Are you talking about unix accounts, or database accounts? |
| 19:49.22 | mist_ | we also cannot log in using pubkey it seems. |
| 19:49.25 | mist_ | unix accounts |
| 19:49.49 | mist_ | so i've logged in on the console with root and enabled PasswordAuthentication yes in the sshd_config |
| 19:50.09 | mist_ | now we get a prompt, but it doesn't accept the password |
| 19:50.20 | mist_ | we've tried changing the password multiple times and have also checked /etc/shadow |
| 19:50.54 | mist_ | not sure where to go from here. Should i add something like AllowGroups sudo to sshd_config? |
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| 19:59.39 | mist_ | solved it |
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| 20:15.57 | Skaag | Hello peeps! I have a weird issue that seems to have been resolved ages ago, but may have resurfaced, with this NIC chipset: Intel Corporation 82574L Gigabit Network Connection |
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| 20:17.03 | Skaag | I found this document from intel: https://downloadmirror.intel.com/15817/eng/README.txt which talks about intmode: Valid Range: 0-2 (0 = Legacy Int, 1 = MSI and 2 = MSI-X) (default is 2) |
| 20:17.25 | Skaag | The problem I'm experiencing is that sometimes the network interface will simply die |
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| 20:18.38 | plujon | If my desktop is slow (sections of my xsession fail to paint for periods of about 10 seconds), how do I discover the cause? |
| 20:19.06 | Skaag | start by checking for available memory and virtual memory usage? |
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| 20:23.07 | plujon | Skaag: I have memory to spare, CPUs are not fully utilized. |
| 20:23.46 | Skaag | xsever-xorg? do you have the correct display driver installed? |
| 20:23.52 | plujon | I asked in ##linux and was told, "buy more hardware". But that misses the point. I want to know how to tell what exactly is causing windows to paint slowly. Is it a disk that is fully utilized? |
| 20:24.06 | plujon | The issue occurs when I clone a git repository that is 20 GB. |
| 20:24.17 | plujon | I infer the problem is disk read I/O. |
| 20:24.27 | Skaag | what kind of storage you got? |
| 20:24.33 | plujon | I want to know that for sure though, and if so, if there is a way I can clone to avoid it. |
| 20:24.43 | Skaag | do you have iotop installed? |
| 20:24.58 | plujon | Yes, and it showed 4 processes (git-index) doing lots of reading. |
| 20:25.10 | Skaag | are you cloning from a repository on your local network or from the internet? |
| 20:25.15 | plujon | Internet |
| 20:25.22 | Skaag | what kind of storage you got? |
| 20:25.34 | Skaag | magnetic? ssd? |
| 20:25.36 | plujon | A WD Black (traditional) |
| 20:25.43 | Skaag | oh wel |
| 20:25.44 | plujon | And an SSD, but the clone was onto the WD Black. |
| 20:25.47 | Skaag | oh well... haha |
| 20:25.55 | Skaag | Is it the linux kernel repo? |
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| 20:26.32 | plujon | What I don't understand: why would disk I/O reading block, emacs or firefox painting? |
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| 20:26.52 | Skaag | To be honest a 20gb git repo, which probably has tons of branches and shit, that will definitely stress any setup, no matter how much hardware you have |
| 20:27.10 | Skaag | it shouldn't in theory except you need to remember X11 communications happen over local sockets as well |
| 20:27.17 | cluelessperson | plujon: painting what? |
| 20:27.25 | Skaag | so what I would look at is increasing the queue length on your NIC |
| 20:27.31 | Skaag | cluelessperson: just windows |
| 20:28.22 | plujon | 1. git clone big-repo & |
| 20:28.31 | Skaag | @plujon try ifconfig eth0 txqueuelen 10000 |
| 20:28.32 | greycat | cluelessperson: I think he means "general user interface slowdown" |
| 20:28.34 | Skaag | (if that's your nic) |
| 20:28.34 | plujon | 2. alt-tab to firefox -- border shows, but no window |
| 20:28.55 | plujon | (for many many seconds) |
| 20:29.04 | Skaag | tell me if that helps |
| 20:29.57 | Skaag | X11 graphics are streamed via the network stack, even if it's just local on your desktop |
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| 20:37.27 | plujon | Skaag: Really? Like through the NIC? That would be shocking. |
| 20:38.04 | plujon | I'll try a local git clone (no network) and see if it recurs. |
| 20:38.07 | greycat | it's more likely contention on the PCI bus or memory or something |
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| 20:39.05 | plujon | greycat: Any idea how to spot what is clogged? |
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| 20:40.13 | jelly | Skaag: uh... unix domain sockets != network stack |
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| 20:41.39 | Skaag | they are heavily connected, why do you think you control FD and so on in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/? |
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| 20:43.10 | darsie | How can I get TLS 1.2 for mono for stretch? "Your mono installation must support TLS 1.2 to access GitHub URLs. Mono 5.0 is recommended for this." |
| 20:43.10 | greycat | thinks of several possible meanings of FD and none of them seem to fit here |
| 20:43.48 | Skaag | Max File Descriptors |
| 20:43.51 | Skaag | plujon: greycat is probably right, you can try to tweak your network stack |
| 20:44.03 | Skaag | but ultimately if your PCI bus is choking, it's choking |
| 20:44.14 | darsie | Hmm, I think I already have TLS 1.2 in my mono. How can I test this? |
| 20:44.26 | jelly | darsie: which app or tool says that? |
| 20:44.43 | darsie | jelly: ckan (Kerbal Space Program package manager). |
| 20:44.50 | darsie | https://github.com/KSP-CKAN/CKAN/wiki/SSL-certificate-errors |
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| 20:45.39 | jelly | Skaag: I can honestly say I've never had to tune anything fd related under there |
| 20:45.45 | darsie | I'm getting a certificate error downloading packages. |
| 20:46.19 | plujon | git clone --no-hardlinks big/.git big-2 |
| 20:46.34 | jelly | Skaag: /proc/sys/fs/file-max |
| 20:46.35 | plujon | That triggered some slowness, but not as much as previously. |
| 20:46.58 | Skaag | my bad |
| 20:47.02 | plujon | emacs failed to paint for about 5 seconds when switching windows, but terminals came to the foreground snappily. firefox also seemed okay. |
| 20:47.22 | Skaag | plujon: what about your FS Type on the WD drive? ext4? journaling enabled? |
| 20:47.28 | plujon | Yes. |
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| 20:47.50 | Skaag | can you try to create a 2nd ext2 partition and see if that helps? |
| 20:47.57 | jelly | Skaag: linux isn't solaris 8 with STREAMS. Everything is separate. |
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| 20:48.18 | jelly | and there are all sorts of ugly shortcuts |
| 20:48.33 | plujon | I was thinking the kernel should be able to detect and report the cause of the slowness. A program that reads performance counters, or something. |
| 20:49.27 | plujon | Maybe the kernel can't easily differentiate between a fully utilized disk and a fully utilized disk that blocks emacs. |
| 20:49.29 | Skaag | plujon: the kernel reports tons of metrics into "files" under /proc/ and you can read that information either manually or using helper apps |
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| 20:50.27 | plujon | I wonder why the original git clone was so much worse -- I could barely start a new terminal. Of course, starting a new terminal requires reading from disk. But shouldn't that be cached? Maybe the cache was cleared by the giant clone... |
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| 20:51.40 | jelly | plujon: if you can reliably reproduce this, install sysstat. open two terminals, run "vmstat 1" in one, and "iostat -mx 1" in another. run your load again, see what happens. |
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| 20:52.33 | kase | hello, when I edit grub in boot menu, how can I save it before proceeding? |
| 20:53.01 | jelly | kase: you can't save things there |
| 20:53.12 | jelly | you can just boot with the changed values |
| 20:53.44 | greycat | If you want to make a permanent change to the grub menu, you have to edit the files on disk after booting, and rerun update-grub. |
| 20:54.02 | kase | jelly, ah, that's what I mean, ctrl-x is supposed to proceed with booting, but when I press it nothing happens |
| 20:54.18 | jelly | kase: try F10, that should do the same thing |
| 20:54.39 | kase | hmm f10 is irresponsive, too |
| 20:54.44 | kase | jelly^ |
| 20:55.01 | jelly | no idea. Are you still left in editing after that? |
| 20:55.09 | kase | yes |
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| 20:55.16 | jelly | does esc work? |
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| 20:55.21 | jelly | to get back to menu |
| 20:56.24 | kase | yes, that works but it only removes the grub command line. the grub install menu remains to be shown without any stir |
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| 20:57.26 | plujon | When the desktop becomes unresponsive, is there an easy way to demand responsiveness? A keystroke that opens a new terminal window and gives it high priority? |
| 20:58.31 | kase | only if I press enter the boot proceeds but I dont know if the changes are taken along with it |
| 20:58.42 | kase | (are they?) |
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| 20:58.58 | jelly | kase: you can see it after boot, cat /proc/cmdline |
| 20:59.17 | jelly | kase: or go back into edit again |
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| 21:01.52 | jelly | darsie: does doing the ca-certificates-mono thing make any difference |
| 21:02.17 | darsie | no. tried that. |
| 21:02.49 | kase | jelly, but does booting by pressing "enter" means changes are accepted? |
| 21:02.50 | darsie | Or maybe it installed a few more mods, don't remember. But two fail. |
| 21:02.55 | kase | mean* |
| 21:03.10 | jelly | kase: I don't remember, think so |
| 21:03.40 | jelly | darsie: can you pastebin that output? |
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| 21:04.07 | kase | goodness, that worked! |
| 21:04.16 | kase | jelly, it seems to work, thank you so much! |
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| 21:38.00 | chibill | Okay with a fresh install I can't get my NetGear WG111v3 [realtek RTL8187B] to work properly. |
| 21:38.17 | chibill | It is discorved by the system but I am unable to use it to connect to wifi APs |
| 21:39.08 | p0lyph3m | chibill: same behavior as before ? |
| 21:39.32 | chibill | yep. I think. Let me check out kern.log iwlist scan works tho |
| 21:40.18 | p0lyph3m | chibill: netinstall worked however with the stick , again , right ? |
| 21:41.11 | chibill | Yep and also the resuce disk is able to use it also |
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| 21:43.00 | p0lyph3m | if you stop NetworkManager , and try to connect with iw & wpasupplicant , to rule out problems with NM |
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| 21:44.39 | p0lyph3m | chibil : https://linuxcommando.blogspot.com/2013/10/how-to-connect-to-wpawpa2-wifi-network.html |
| 21:44.49 | darsie | jelly: https://pastebin.com/sUQcRBsJ |
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| 21:45.04 | chibill | I just manually set up wpa_supplicant like I have to for my Rasp Pi and got it to conenct xD |
| 21:47.01 | p0lyph3m | chibill: ok , i see light at the end of the tunnel :) |
| 21:47.10 | chibill | Actually nvm |
| 21:47.22 | chibill | dhclient isn't getting an address. |
| 21:48.02 | chibill | Hm it got disconnected again. |
| 21:48.14 | p0lyph3m | iw scan , however shows wifis in range ? |
| 21:48.50 | chibill | yea. |
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| 21:49.15 | p0lyph3m | did u stop NetworkManager.service ? |
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| 21:49.27 | p0lyph3m | beforehand ? |
| 21:50.13 | p0lyph3m | $ systemctl stop NetworkManager |
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| 21:50.45 | allgood | hi folks. I am battling for all the afternoon on this: xorg on my notebook doesn't load the i915 GPU drivers... it is running on fbdev! driver are instsalled, kernel driver is loaded, checked the firmware blobs. Any clue? |
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| 21:50.56 | allgood | (running debian stretch with kernel 4.16 from backports) |
| 21:51.00 | chibill | that worked! |
| 21:51.11 | chibill | So networkmanger is broken somehow. |
| 21:51.12 | chibill | hm |
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| 21:51.43 | p0lyph3m | remove NetworkManager and choose other network setup |
| 21:51.52 | chibill | going to do an apt-get update and upgrade. |
| 21:52.15 | chibill | I am appearntly up to date |
| 21:52.16 | chibill | xd |
| 21:52.51 | chibill | Well considering I never plan on changing networks. (This is a desktop) I think I am fine. |
| 21:53.55 | p0lyph3m | its a desktop you said , right ? so you actually dont need much changing netwoks like laptop use , so get rid of NM and do it with /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:54.48 | p0lyph3m | chibill: did u check out lvm , yet ?? |
| 21:54.57 | chibill | nope xd |
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| 21:58.03 | p0lyph3m | chibill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0oNhBovDgk |
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| 21:58.43 | chibill | Plus considering one drive is IDE and the other SATA it might cause proformace issues? |
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| 22:03.11 | p0lyph3m | chibill: you can still create 2 volume groups , one for each drive , but just in case later youd prefer space over performance you gen rearrange |
| 22:03.37 | p0lyph3m | with partitions only you dont have that flexibility |
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| 22:10.18 | Keijo__ | Hi, where do I get up-to-date documentation on postgresql? |
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| 22:13.17 | darsie | Keijo__: try #postgresql |
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| 22:21.31 | chibill | Any suggestions on how to isntall a package that isn't in stable yet? |
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| 22:22.52 | p0lyph3m | chibill: buildfrom source ; dont mix packages from other releases/distros |
| 22:24.00 | chibill | I am still confused why its so hard for packages to get into stable. Like if the package is over a year old its proably obselete by now. (Or in this case unsupported) |
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| 22:24.05 | p0lyph3m | or use backports if package exists |
| 22:24.52 | chibill | looking for gpredict at least version 2. as Version 1 is basically unsupported. |
| 22:24.54 | p0lyph3m | use ubuntu they include bleeding edge |
| 22:25.11 | chibill | ubuntu don't even have it in stable. |
| 22:25.14 | p0lyph3m | satcom ? |
| 22:25.33 | p0lyph3m | SO-50 ? |
| 22:26.03 | chibill | Yea. To get 2 on ubuntu you need to add the authors PPA. SO-50 is nice. |
| 22:26.05 | chibill | :P |
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| 22:28.18 | chibill | I would use it from thier PPA but my install doesn't like it for some wierd reason. |
| 22:29.02 | p0lyph3m | dont do it , cant u build it from source ? |
| 22:29.18 | chibill | I can. I am working on that. Need to wait for it to download. |
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| 22:29.58 | chibill | Also any idea what an AppImage is? |
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| 22:31.37 | p0lyph3m | nop |
| 22:32.37 | chibill | Its some weird linux thing appearently hm what ever its source building time xD |
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| 22:36.05 | p0lyph3m | building it right nowfrom source |
| 22:37.07 | __m4ch1n3__ | appimage is a single file with virtual filesystem in it, on this filesystem is a program or a game and all libs that the program game needs |
| 22:37.35 | __m4ch1n3__ | its lil bit like window and its dlls but in one file |
| 22:38.05 | __m4ch1n3__ | appimage is a executable |
| 22:38.12 | __m4ch1n3__ | 1 file all in it |
| 22:39.56 | p0lyph3m | it runs , but then again it dies because of missing pixmaps |
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| 22:41.45 | p0lyph3m | if i run it as root ,it works |
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| 22:42.26 | p0lyph3m | thats my system , lot of progs dont run as nurmluser because of missing gtk stuff themes/pixmaps |
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| 22:46.21 | hypn0 | you have to set appimages to execute first |
| 22:47.02 | gavit | I just did a fresh install of debian 9, I am able to ping 8.8.8.8, I placed that as nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf, but am not able to ping google.com |
| 22:47.11 | p0lyph3m | hypn0: me ? |
| 22:47.24 | hypn0 | like chmod a+x Subsurface*.AppImage |
| 22:47.41 | hypn0 | yeah you I guess :-/ |
| 22:47.50 | mtn | gavit: are you using networkmanager? |
| 22:48.10 | p0lyph3m | no, build it from source |
| 22:48.11 | gavit | how can I check |
| 22:48.30 | mtn | gavit: are you using a de, like gnome or xfce? |
| 22:48.37 | gavit | mtn: console |
| 22:48.51 | mtn | gavit: ah, then did you install networkmanager? |
| 22:48.53 | hypn0 | built an appimage |
| 22:49.04 | gavit | mtn: just the basics for a minimal install |
| 22:49.18 | hypn0 | why not just statically compile :-/ |
| 22:49.28 | gavit | can;t I check if a service is up like network manager? |
| 22:49.33 | mtn | gavit: ok, I don't run mine that way, I always use networkmanager |
| 22:49.55 | p0lyph3m | hypn0: no , just the program, didnt do anythingwith appimage |
| 22:50.12 | p0lyph3m | ... but good to know :) |
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| 22:51.24 | gavit | mtn: my interface is declared in /etc/network/interfaces, so it shouldn't manage it according to the wiki https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager |
| 22:52.47 | mtn | gavit: if you are using networkmanager, let it set your dns |
| 22:52.50 | p0lyph3m | gavit: NM overwrites resolv.conf ; set it to be inmutable chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 22:53.34 | gavit | p0lyph3m: the contents seem fine |
| 22:53.45 | gavit | I'll just perform a reinstall and see if I notice something weird |
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| 22:57.47 | p0lyph3m | gavit: use nmtui to set up your interface/connection |
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| 23:01.42 | gavit | p0lyph3m: it wasnt installed |
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| 23:12.44 | mac` | need help config the grub i m using 2.6.32-042stab127.2 i did install vmlinuz-4.9.0-6-amd64 |
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| 23:15.13 | threader | build-sumple-cdd fails with code 255 reprepro updating package lists aptmethod got ' snapshot.deb.org/2018blah/dist/unstable/InRelease ' and fails wit a 404 not found ipv6 addr |
| 23:15.48 | blackflow | mac`: that makes zero sense. |
| 23:15.52 | jfloren | We are hosting our own Debian package repo which has worked fine in the past. I updated some debs. Now installing a deb from the repo via apt-get fails (post-installation script returned error exit status 30) but installing with dpkg -i works |
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| 23:16.00 | jfloren | same file on the repo or locally for dpkg |
| 23:16.03 | jfloren | any ideas |
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| 23:20.24 | themill | jfloren: unless the postinst is fiddling with the error codes, errno 30 is that the filesystem has gone readonly, either deliberately or because of errors |
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| 23:20.43 | jfloren | themill whoa, that's weird |
| 23:20.48 | themill | threader: that doesn't look like a real error message |
| 23:21.04 | themill | jfloren: check the output of "mount" |
| 23:21.17 | jfloren | nope, it's mounted rw |
| 23:21.33 | themill | all filesystems including /tmp ? |
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| 23:22.12 | jfloren | /sys/fs/cgroup is the only one mounted ro |
| 23:22.20 | jfloren | and I can install other packages |
| 23:22.26 | jfloren | just not these packages I myself control |
| 23:22.47 | themill | probably worth looking at the maintainer scripts then |
| 23:22.48 | jfloren | I may have screwed up the postinst somehow, but I can't figure out how to tell what command caused it to return 30 |
| 23:23.11 | themill | adding "set -x" to the maintainer scripts will help |
| 23:25.30 | jfloren | I modified the on-disk postinst script and ran dpkg --configure -a |
| 23:25.35 | jfloren | saw this: |
| 23:25.54 | jfloren | + exec /usr/share/debconf/frontend /var/lib/dpkg/info/gravwell-network-capture.postinst configure |
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| 23:25.57 | jfloren | dpkg: error processing package gravwell-network-capture (--configure): |
| 23:25.57 | dpkg | jfloren: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 23:26.44 | jfloren | http://paste.debian.net/1033342/ themill |
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| 23:42.21 | threaders | themill, |
| 23:42.25 | threaders | 2018-07-12 00:13:29 ERROR reprepro: updating package lists: '404 Not Found [IP: 2001:630:206:4000:1a1a:0:c13e:ca1b 80]' |
| 23:42.25 | threaders | 2018-07-12 00:13:29 ERROR reprepro: updating package lists: aptmethod got 'http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20180707T025428Z/dists/unstable/InRelease' |
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| 23:43.41 | threaders | using and older mirror : |
| 23:43.44 | threaders | 2018-07-11 23:13:04 ERROR verify gpg signature: gpg: Signature made Thu 01 Sep 2016 00:05:20 CEST |
| 23:43.44 | threaders | 2018-07-11 23:13:04 ERROR verify gpg signature: gpg: using RSA key AED4B06F473041FA |
| 23:43.44 | threaders | 2018-07-11 23:13:04 ERROR verify gpg signature: gpg: Can't check signature: No public key |
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| 23:44.23 | jfloren | themill: removing "Depends: libpcap0.8" seems to have done it... I'd made that change recently |
| 23:44.27 | threaders | just now : |
| 23:44.28 | jfloren | in the control file |
| 23:44.29 | threaders | 2018-07-12 01:43:48 ERROR reprepro: updating package lists: aptmethod error receiving 'http://security.debian.org/dists/unstable/updates/Release.gpg': |
| 23:44.29 | threaders | 2018-07-12 01:43:48 ERROR reprepro: updating package lists: '404 Not Found [IP: 2a04:4e42:14::204 80]' |
| 23:44.29 | threaders | 2018-07-12 01:43:48 ERROR reprepro: updating package lists: aptmethod got 'http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20180707T025428Z/dists/unstable/InRelease' |
| 23:44.29 | threaders | 2018-07-12 01:43:48 ERROR reprepro: updating package lists: aptmethod got 'http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20180707T025428Z/dists/sid/InRelease' |
| 23:44.31 | threaders | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:44.39 | jfloren | I don't know why that would screw it up though, I thought it'd be fine |
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| 23:47.03 | threaders | themill, i tried adding APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated=true |
| 23:50.20 | threaders | trying -o Acquire::ForceIPv4-true now |
| 23:52.08 | threaders | had to alter polkit too for ppc, --runtime not supported by systemctl or whatever |
| 23:52.21 | threaders | and gimp had dep issues |
| 23:52.47 | threaders | but as of 0707 18 i've got a perfect ppc distro now |
| 23:53.33 | jfloren | Anyone? Thoughts why adding "Depends: libpcap0.8" to my control file might make the install fail? |
| 23:53.45 | jfloren | http://paste.debian.net/1033342/ this is the error output |
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