| 00:01.05 | granttrec | macgyver_: dont think chrome is on linux, try chromium |
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| 00:01.52 | rant | chrome is available for linux amd64 but its not part of debian |
| 00:02.13 | macgyver_ | so what should I install in debian? I am new to this |
| 00:02.42 | rant | chromium is better for the fact that its well supported on many architectures and in debian |
| 00:03.08 | macgyver_ | is there a list of apps I should install? |
| 00:03.44 | rant | macgyver_: no, you should install whatever you like.. its silly to even ask something like what you should do. |
| 00:04.00 | granttrec | macgyver_: whatever you need? |
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| 00:04.02 | rant | especially using a nick like macgyver who would never ask anyone what he SHOULD do |
| 00:04.06 | macgyver_ | but I think there are some musthave apps |
| 00:04.30 | macgyver_ | I dont know which apps they are |
| 00:04.41 | rant | well you must have libc6, a kernel, a shell, python and perl are also fairly essential, an MTA.. |
| 00:04.42 | granttrec | macgyver_: maybe copy stuff from the ubuntu manifest? |
| 00:04.53 | macgyver_ | good idea |
| 00:05.01 | rant | they are called base or required apps :P |
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| 00:06.01 | justan00b | test |
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| 00:06.09 | macgyver_ | I installed gnome gui did I do well? |
| 00:06.20 | rant | otherwise you should just open an interactive package amanmanager and lookg aro around or be more specific about things you'd like to do so maybe people can RECOMMEND things, rather than tll you what you SHOULD do |
| 00:07.14 | macgyver_ | ok I will try to experiment and come back later with more questions |
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| 00:09.42 | tw | Does nvidia-kernel-dkms 375.82-1~deb9u1 (stable) work with linux-image 4.16.16-2~bpo9+1? |
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| 00:13.22 | rant | it probably should.. I guess you're talking about the stable backport kernel |
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| 00:14.02 | rant | dkms things are built when a kernel image or dmks package are installed for all running kernels |
| 00:14.32 | rant | well all installed |
| 00:14.44 | tw | This is my build output from that combination. https://paste.debian.net/hidden/835e4b09/ |
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| 00:19.26 | rant | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 00:19.27 | tw | There's another of other projects with kernel modules that break starting there, on the init_timer symbol. |
| 00:19.27 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.102-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch/non-free: 375.82-1~deb9u1; jessie-backports/non-free: 384.130-1~bpo8+1; stretch-proposed-updates/non-free: 384.130-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 390.48-2~bpo9+3; buster/non-free: 390.67-2; sid/non-free: 390.67-2 |
| 00:19.46 | rant | looks like there is an nvidia dkms in backports as well |
| 00:19.55 | rant | maybe that will clear things up |
| 00:19.59 | tw | Also poops fire. |
| 00:20.20 | rant | ah, well I'm running low on ideas |
| 00:20.26 | tw | Probably going to drop the backports kernel and go back to stable. |
| 00:21.24 | tw | Though I might try that proposed updates package. |
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| 00:38.37 | tw | rolling back to the stable kernel did it. It looks like some of the intel vgpu stuff got brought into mainline, but if I can't build dkms, for nvidia, I'm not going to play with passing intel acceleration through. |
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| 00:47.39 | monty86 | anyone use debian with a cac piv smartcard and vmware view? |
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| 00:48.55 | soulz | moonboot |
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| 01:36.34 | zerocool | can someone help me understand why `libvirt-daemon-driver-storage-gluster` is not available in stretch? |
| 01:37.02 | zerocool | or, when will buster be a thing? |
| 01:37.14 | zerocool | "stable" |
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| 01:38.00 | michael2 | probablly will get a better answer to that in #debian-next |
| 01:38.43 | zerocool | i must be invited |
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| 01:39.40 | michael2 | not for #debian-next |
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| 01:40.20 | zerocool | 18:40 -!- Cannot join to channel #debian-next (You must be invited) |
| 01:40.22 | ChmEarl | zerocool, libvirt_4.0.0-1 in Ubuntu Bionic has it |
| 01:41.09 | zerocool | ChmEarl: is that essentially buster |
| 01:41.19 | ChmEarl | zerocool, no, its not |
| 01:41.43 | michael2 | zerocool: the channel is on irc.oftc.net |
| 01:41.54 | zerocool | michael2: oic okay |
| 01:42.09 | michael2 | not on chat.freenode.net |
| 01:44.56 | ChmEarl | zerocool, I spoke too soon... yes buster uses libvirt-4.3 |
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| 01:56.52 | razer2 | Hi, is anyone an expert on why audio goes wrong with Linux/Debian? I've been having issues with audio jittering, stuttering and now it is also distorted with metal grunge and echo. |
| 01:57.25 | razer2 | I know I can fix the stuttering by turning off real-time scheduling, but I just don't understand why this is happening because sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't depending on my Linux setup. |
| 01:57.41 | razer2 | It did this to me in Fedora and in Debian. I think it might have something to do with the version on Gnome. |
| 01:58.00 | klys | try nice your browser? |
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| 02:00.43 | razer2 | klys, What are you saying? |
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| 02:01.17 | klys | $ nice dbus-launch iceweasel &> /dev/null & |
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| 02:16.34 | zerocool | ChmEarl: i guess my question meant, is bionic a "testing" or "unstable" distro |
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| 02:19.43 | ChmEarl | zerocool, its LTS (1804) |
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| 02:31.28 | tropicat | everytime I disconnect my headphones from my computer and plug it back in, my sound just stops working |
| 02:32.00 | tropicat | only when I restart does it work. Do I have to manually enable headphones hot-plugging or something? |
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| 02:39.57 | tonymke | It might be making another audio device the default when it sees the headphones go away. Are you using gnome? Should just be a matter of clicking the headphone jack in the sound setting panel. |
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| 02:49.41 | tropicat | tonymke: nope |
| 02:49.57 | tropicat | tonymke: minimal install. only use alsamixer |
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| 03:34.47 | tropicat | so my sound is not working at all. I am using Debian 9 testing (buster) |
| 03:34.57 | tropicat | aplay -l lists 2 soundcards |
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| 03:35.16 | tropicat | but pavucontrol only shows dummy output, and that audio is working only for the dummy output |
| 03:35.31 | tropicat | 'sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel' does not change anything |
| 03:38.35 | tropicat | 'alsactl init' shows soundcard is initialized using generic method, and 'alsamixer' shows a soundcard |
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| 03:43.24 | annadane | tropicat, debian 9, or debian 10? debian 10 is testing (buster). |
| 03:43.41 | annadane | for testing, you should ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 03:44.03 | tropicat | annadane: lol |
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| 03:44.24 | tropicat | annadane: may you try to answer my question please? rewriting all of this on another channel is impractical |
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| 03:45.33 | tropicat | annadane: its not too big of a deal that a person asked on a channel that is slightly not related to the channel |
| 03:45.39 | annadane | it's possible you're affected by https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=901148 but i'm not sure if your problem is related |
| 03:46.30 | annadane | and that's all i know |
| 03:46.32 | tropicat | annadane: well I did run a 'sudo apt upgrade' earlier today |
| 03:46.40 | tropicat | annadane: I'm not sure if that caused it |
| 03:46.45 | annadane | yeah, well, see what got upgraded then |
| 03:46.51 | annadane | and check the BTS in general |
| 03:46.56 | tropicat | annadane: also debian 10 doesn't have alsa as a command |
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| 04:13.28 | ironpillow | hi all, I am using dnsmasq and it has an option to call a script everything a dhcp lease is created. So I am calling a bash script: `echo "$now $1 $2" >>/var/log/dhcplog` BUT when I cat the log file, not all leases show up and something the leases that are recorded are delayed. Is the script being called multiple times/too fast. I am testing with 5 devices all requesting leases within 10 seconds of each other. Thanks! |
| 04:14.33 | ryouma | in jessie, apt-get upgraded my linux-image-3.16.0-6-amd64 due to security, even though 1) there was no notice of it on either the security list or the lts list 2) i already had it installed 3) there was nothing reported via apt-listchanges. any clue? |
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| 04:19.02 | ryouma | more details in case relevant: check-support-status no longer lists chromium as unsupported. it did yesterday. also ruby was properly updated at same time as linux-image-... with security from lts (it was mentioned on a security list) and apt-listchanges worked correctly. |
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| 04:30.05 | brimonk | Does anyone know if there's anything special I need to do to get nvidia drivers and CUDA running working on Debian? |
| 04:30.22 | brimonk | I'm about to get a fresh install on this box, just looking for like, "the" docs page I haven't seen yet or something. |
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| 04:36.32 | ryouma | another thing is that my logs show that os-prober ran at 8 am. i was not using computer then. |
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| 04:55.06 | rant | I have hplip setup and there are 4 copies of the printer showing, some with jobs that are in limbo, I can't figure out how to get rid of them they dont show up in the HP toolbox, and http://localhost:631 wont let me delete them says unauthorized. |
| 04:55.21 | rant | the root user is disabled, accessible only via sudo, polkit,etc |
| 04:55.42 | rant | I'd be happy to just hose all hplip/cups config and start over from scratch |
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| 04:57.30 | rant | 4(adm),24(cdrom),25(floppy),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),108(netdev),110(lpadmin),113(scanner) group perms in id for user |
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| 05:05.40 | rant | idk even a apt --purge remove cups hplip; apt autoremove; rm -rf ~/.hplip; rm -rf /usr/share/hplip didnt fix it |
| 05:05.52 | rant | I still got four copies of the same printer |
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| 05:10.09 | rant | shrugs.. |
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| 05:10.48 | rant | I have nfc how to get rid of these other printers or where its even got them in here that a purge, and rm -rf doesnt get rid of em |
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| 05:18.02 | BoBeR182 | : The repository 'https://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org tor-experimental-0.3.3.x-sid Release' no longer has a Release file. |
| 05:18.02 | BoBeR182 | N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by defaul |
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| 05:18.08 | BoBeR182 | anyone know how to fix it? |
| 05:18.40 | annadane | are you on debian stable? why are you mixing in repositories like that with debian stable? |
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| 05:19.43 | BoBeR182 | im on debian sid |
| 05:21.40 | annadane | !debian-next |
| 05:21.40 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 05:22.06 | annadane | also, check whether you need that or whether you can just use debian's built in stuff |
| 05:22.56 | rant | walks away before he goes all old testament on this printer |
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| 05:29.10 | BoBeR182 | I can't join OFTC |
| 05:29.16 | BoBeR182 | since I can't install tor |
| 05:29.27 | BoBeR182 | either way |
| 05:29.27 | BoBeR182 | I fixed it |
| 05:29.34 | BoBeR182 | it's a bug in the documentation |
| 05:29.42 | BoBeR182 | tor site needs to change it to 0.3.4.x |
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| 05:30.55 | rant | if you need tor to get on OFTC then you got bigger problems I'd think |
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| 06:37.36 | njs | I'm trying to install Debian on a laptop (X1 Carbon 6th gen) from a USB stick. Ubuntu's installer starts up OK, but I'd rather install Debian. With Debian's installer, I can get to the grub menu, but AFAICT all the options make the screen turn black and lock up. Any ideas? |
| 06:38.07 | njs | I already tried switching to the weekly (testing) build of the installer with firmware included, in case that matters. I think that's actually using a *newer* kernel than Ubuntu's latest installer. |
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| 06:41.02 | inquisitiv3 | What is the simplest and easiest way to create an isolated development environment where I can run GUI applications from? |
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| 06:41.36 | inquisitiv3 | I would like to avoid running a full VM. Prefer a more lightweight solution |
| 06:41.43 | rant | chroot |
| 06:41.53 | rant | only real cost is disk space |
| 06:42.28 | rant | njs: sounds like a frame buffer issue, what sort of graphics hardware? |
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| 06:42.46 | njs | rant: boring onboard intel something-or-the-other |
| 06:43.14 | inquisitiv3 | rant: And there is no problem running GUI applications from the environment? I need to run DrRacket. |
| 06:43.16 | rant | njs: you sure its not intel and nvidia in a hybrid setup? |
| 06:43.16 | njs | rant: though the usb disk light doesn't stay on for more than a fraction of a second, so I suppose it could be locking up before trying to initialize graphics too |
| 06:44.01 | rant | thos lighs are not really indicators of anything but the light itself I have ones that light up and flicker when the device isnt even mounted |
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| 06:44.20 | njs | rant: yes, this laptop doesn't even come with the option of discrete graphics |
| 06:44.47 | njs | rant: except eGPUs I guess, but I think I'd notice if I'd accidentally spent $1000 on one of those and had it hanging out the side ;-) |
| 06:45.02 | rant | inquisitiv3: I have nfc what drracket is, but yet, you can run gui apps from a chroot, I recommend schroot personally to help with running apps |
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| 06:46.17 | rant | njs: well if its pure intel its less likely its a framebuffer issue.. which begs the question of what else is weird about this system |
| 06:48.37 | inquisitiv3 | rant: Chroot sound exactly like the tool I need. Thanks! |
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| 06:49.57 | njs | rant: indeed |
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| 06:51.27 | rant | idk what little I can see its just a straight up intel core i7 machine |
| 06:51.40 | rant | should work perfectly I'd think |
| 06:51.51 | ironpillow | hi all, need help with logrotate. Under lastaction how can I get the filename AFTER dateext/dateformat have renamed the file. I need to pass in the exact filename to an external script. thanks! |
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| 06:52.08 | rant | are you sure you arent running into a UEFI bios issue or something |
| 06:53.01 | ironpillow | if I use $1 inside lastaction, i am receiving the plain file name /var/log/mylog but I want /var/log/mylog-2018-07-13-1531550948 |
| 06:53.05 | njs | rant: well, I had to disable secure boot of course, but I would have thought that once I got into grub that wouldn't matter any more? |
| 06:54.03 | rant | I have no idea.. kinda puzzling to me.. though I'm no getting a whole lot of info on the system it must be pretty new |
| 06:54.30 | rant | but from what I see I'd tthink it'd run any linux there is without a problem |
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| 07:08.06 | lowin | Is there a kernel commandline to make debian's initramfs drop to a shell instead of mounting root and booting? |
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| 07:11.55 | SwedeMike | lowin: on older versions it worked with adding init=/bin/bash (or /bin/sh). Don't know if that still works... |
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| 07:15.13 | lowin | SwedeMike, yeah that'd probably work. I ended up just specifying a bad root= parameter so it failed |
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| 07:17.20 | rant | init= would still mount root and pivot |
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| 07:18.06 | SwedeMike | right, yes, you end up with a ro / and nothing else, at least last time I did that. |
| 07:18.11 | rant | the bad root= would be way to go to wind up at initramfs |
| 07:18.40 | rant | yes well the question was how to get to initramfs without root mounted |
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| 07:19.07 | jake_ | My XPS (when using the non free install DVD) complains that it can't find firmware for ath10k* but then proceeds to connect via wireless during install and work after install. Is there something I should do to resolve that, or is it ok? |
| 07:19.26 | SwedeMike | rant: yep, you're right, just changing init= doesn't do that. |
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| 07:19.44 | SwedeMike | I tend to boot from USB stick when I have problems that require me to not boot the system at all |
| 07:20.01 | SwedeMike | the initramfs is so limited anyway, I find it useless to do anything in. |
| 07:20.21 | rant | yes well irrc when i tried init= a couple weeks ago it no longer works |
| 07:20.36 | lowin | Im trying to find out how debian's initramfs works. So that's why I needed to be dropped there |
| 07:20.47 | rant | i tend to agree better to chroot from another system |
| 07:21.38 | rant | well you could prob just moun the intramfs img and chroot to it in a term |
| 07:22.06 | lowin | rant, Yeah but that wouldn't show me what kernel modules are loaded at initramfs stage |
| 07:22.25 | lowin | anyway it didn't help me solve my problem |
| 07:22.51 | lowin | I've made my own initramfs but cryptsetup hangs when it tries to open luks container |
| 07:23.08 | lowin | can't seem to understand why |
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| 07:23.32 | rant | yeah well a common issue is someonne coming to irc too zoomed in on an issue already having made wrong turns and one needs to zoom out and give big picture to wind up on right path |
| 07:25.14 | lowin | I'm really close to make it work. I can feel it. just not yet |
| 07:25.20 | rant | heh |
| 07:25.30 | lowin | no errors or anything. just drops dead as soon as I enter password |
| 07:25.36 | rant | yeah well we dont know what "it" is |
| 07:25.53 | lowin | it's cryptsetup inside my custom initramfs |
| 07:26.07 | lowin | I've asked for help here yesterday and explained my situation |
| 07:26.13 | rant | trying to use a key to automount? |
| 07:26.57 | rant | i plan on doing that in near future setting up a removable key |
| 07:27.13 | lowin | I've developed my own hardware that is supposed to supply cryptsetup with the right key, but I can't get cryptsetup work even with a simple password yet |
| 07:28.49 | rant | luks is a less than ideal situation.. cumbersome any any attempt to make it simpler to use tends to undermine security |
| 07:29.05 | lowin | I've done custom initramfs+cryptsetup a hundred times before, with my custom built kernel. but I want to use debian's kernel now which is very barebones without proper modules |
| 07:29.22 | lowin | It's driving me crazy and I'm in a big hurry |
| 07:30.00 | rant | yeah ou can still build your own mods against the debian headers and put em in initramfs though i believe |
| 07:30.37 | lowin | Ofcourse, but that's not the problem. I just don't know what modules are required to make cryptsetup work |
| 07:30.49 | rant | i know what you mean though deb kernels dont have things you need by default for this |
| 07:31.05 | lowin | I've written down the mods from debian's initramfs and loaded them in mine |
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| 07:31.11 | lowin | but cryptsetup still hangs :( |
| 07:31.35 | rant | depends on what youre doing.. usbstorage forexample would beed for remvable usb key as well as any needed fs driver |
| 07:32.06 | lowin | Right now I'm just manually calling cryptsetup open /dev/sda2 crypt |
| 07:32.12 | lowin | and supplying a password |
| 07:32.17 | lowin | pretty standard stuff |
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| 07:34.19 | lowin | I vaguely remember having this problem in my gentoo box some years ago, but can't recall what was the solution |
| 07:34.56 | rant | maybe you sould read over some howtos o luks removable keys as refresher |
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| 09:34.26 | no_gravity | Good Morning |
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| 09:34.59 | no_gravity | I often have this urge to keep my bash history cleaner then it is, so browsing through it with ctrl+r is a better experience. |
| 09:35.08 | MrScoumoune | Hi all is it possible to install anbox on debian strecht ? |
| 09:35.15 | MrScoumoune | I have tried many soluce but dont work |
| 09:35.19 | no_gravity | Is there a way to easily delete an entry I don't deem useful when I encounter it via ctrl+r? |
| 09:35.23 | MrScoumoune | im no a newbie on debian |
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| 09:35.53 | no_gravity | MrScoumoune: What do you want to use it for? |
| 09:36.49 | MrScoumoune | no_gravity i want use anbox for run app android i have tested many emulator like genymotion, or android-x86 virtual box etc.. |
| 09:37.06 | MrScoumoune | but anbox is a opensource that why i try to install this |
| 09:37.53 | no_gravity | MrScoumoune: I mean why do you want to run Android apps on the desktop? |
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| 09:39.04 | MrScoumoune | no_gravity for test the new apps i dont have a smartphone |
| 09:40.02 | no_gravity | MrScoumoune: I see. |
| 09:40.37 | no_gravity | I tried running Android in VirtualBox. It works but seems somewhat slow. Not sure if it really is slow. |
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| 09:41.23 | MrScoumoune | no_gravity yea android in virtualBox its work but is very slow and its no good with mouse and keybord |
| 09:41.55 | no_gravity | MrScoumoune: What worked best for you so far? |
| 09:42.29 | rant | for about US$80 you can get a complete RPI3B+ setup that'd be more ideal |
| 09:42.40 | rant | run android on native hw |
| 09:42.49 | no_gravity | rant: What's a RPI3B+? |
| 09:43.11 | rant | Raspberry Pi 3 B+, Single Board Computer, arm SoC |
| 09:43.12 | MrScoumoune | no_gravity for the moment i have test last one year ago android-sdk and that worked but very complicated |
| 09:43.32 | MrScoumoune | with android-studio |
| 09:43.40 | no_gravity | MrScoumoune: I tried that one too some time ago. Yes, it was super complicated and annoying. |
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| 09:44.28 | MrScoumoune | no_gravity oh yea and you do to make a launcher and other O_O xD |
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| 09:45.02 | rant | you can get an orangepi setup for half or less .. I'd gotten an OPI Lite direct from china with all I nneded for under $40 |
| 09:45.03 | MrScoumoune | genymation that shit if you use a free trial, because no all apps its work |
| 09:45.37 | no_gravity | rant: I would not want to get extra hardware to try Android apps. |
| 09:46.01 | rant | the h3droid devs are online here on freenode daily and maintain an android specifically for the allwinner h3 in (some of) those orange pi boards |
| 09:46.30 | rant | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:46.59 | rant | I personally have gone through that headache as well and found no real useful solution |
| 09:47.14 | no_gravity | rant: But suck less then getting extra hardware. |
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| 09:48.34 | rant | just a suggestion.. we're talking somehing smaller than a credit card, cheaper than an external hdd, and will run the stuff natively more than twice as well |
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| 09:50.18 | no_gravity | Well, it depends on your usecase. |
| 09:50.30 | no_gravity | If you are heavy into Android development hardware might make sense. |
| 09:50.44 | no_gravity | I only test some Android app I hear about every now and then to see what it does. |
| 09:50.55 | no_gravity | Even if it was credit card size, I would prefer a software solution. |
| 09:51.08 | no_gravity | But you also need cables and stuff to make that credit card sized thing work. |
| 09:51.12 | rant | I'd have to save up to be broke.. so I sympathize heavily with not wanting to buy something and wouldnt recommend it if I didnt think it was a much better option |
| 09:51.14 | no_gravity | I don't want that stuff laying around. |
| 09:51.34 | rant | as I said the $40 for OPI (rom china) or $80 or RPI include all that |
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| 09:52.36 | rant | and thhose are onlly the cheaper two options |
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| 09:52.52 | no_gravity | It's not about the money at all. |
| 09:52.56 | no_gravity | We think totally different. |
| 09:53.18 | rant | I doubt it.. I just been down this road and know how poorly the software solutions work |
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| 09:53.40 | rant | I agree with you if it were not for experience with both the software and hw solutions |
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| 09:57.22 | xsisec | Hi guys, when I start the computer exactly before the login I get a hardware clock bla bla error, with which command can I see the error I tried "dmesg,journalctl -b" |
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| 09:58.01 | rant | either of those commands should've shown it |
| 09:58.25 | xsisec | I guess jounral-dtl could do it but how do I filter out erros? |
| 09:58.28 | xsisec | the log is so long |
| 09:58.30 | dutchfish | xsisec, journalctl -x | but the error might be in other components |
| 09:58.30 | rant | but its probably related to the hw clock being or not being in UTC or something |
| 09:59.02 | rant | use grep since you seem to know what the message contains |
| 09:59.11 | rant | dmesg | grep -i clock |
| 09:59.14 | rant | for example |
| 09:59.53 | dutchfish | xsisec, for systemd, a quick status can be seen with systemctl status |
| 10:00.02 | xsisec | did found some things but not that error though |
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| 10:02.44 | dutchfish | xsisec, is tzdata correctly setp? if not: sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
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| 10:06.00 | rant | any hw related message should be in the kernel message buffer accessible via dmesg other than if the system has been up a long time .. cause the buffer is only so large |
| 10:08.26 | xsisec | ok |
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| 10:43.38 | ewew | Hi. Was there a new release of 9.5 debian ? |
| 10:44.16 | annadane | ewew, it's in the process of being released now |
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| 10:44.50 | ewew | ok. the home page of debian is not yet updated. |
| 10:44.55 | annadane | i guess in a few hours(?) it'll be on the website, allowing for mirrors to update and so on |
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| 10:45.27 | ewew | I allready recieved updates. |
| 10:45.36 | ewew | for my debian instalation. |
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| 10:47.44 | annadane | people with older versions on their install media should consider reburning even if they're using the netinstall |
| 10:47.47 | annadane | due to some changes |
| 10:48.59 | ewew | you mean that i should reinstall ? |
| 10:49.25 | annadane | well, not reinstall your existing system |
| 10:49.37 | ewew | ok. |
| 10:49.38 | annadane | i just mean the image on the usb or cd or whatever |
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| 10:50.33 | annadane | what you use to actually install debian |
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| 10:53.59 | annadane | (though i guess for cd-roms it's not really possible to re-burn it) |
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| 10:54.20 | ewew | only if you use rewritable versions. |
| 10:55.32 | ewew | of cd's. offcourse |
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| 11:00.44 | threaders | i cant make this happen atm with snapshots at all. adding the keys are apparently impossible. getting the damned thing to ignore an invalid repo should not require every skill ive accumulated since 99 |
| 11:00.47 | threaders | reprepro -V --ignore=wrongdistribution --ignore=undefinedtarget update sid |
| 11:00.47 | threaders | Error: unknown key '8B48AD6246925553'! |
| 11:01.09 | threaders | build-simple-cdd --dvd --profiles-udeb-dist sid --dist sid --debian-mirror "http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20180707T082921Z/" --updates-mirror "http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20180707T082921Z/" --require-optional-packages --local-packages archives/ -p Debian-20180707-polkit-fix-ppc32 --extra-udeb-dist sid |
| 11:01.40 | threaders | ive got 5 years, no? |
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| 11:58.08 | goethe | hello is there a program or a posibility to edit a file that disable a touchpad if u plug in a mouse? |
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| 13:25.05 | HelloDare | Any suggestions for a debianlinux solution for collecting, reporting and alerting on Windows events logs? |
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| 13:26.38 | RoyK | HelloDare: there are some solutions for windows that report to syslog, and rsyslogd is pretty good at filtering stuff. The problem is that the windows logs are very verbose, as in *very* |
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| 13:32.59 | HelloDare | royk: I'm looking to bring only some very specific events in....account logout events, then I need to parse the netlogon.log file to find the machine name of a transisitive login event. |
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| 13:36.46 | HelloDare | RoyK: Can rsyslogd setup a remote windows hosts as source? |
| 13:37.33 | abrotman | It doesn't generally care |
| 13:40.24 | HelloDare | Within rsyslogds config, am I able to idenify remote windows hosts and define the evnts I want to bring over and have rsyslog pool the windows hosts for the events and if the event occurs log the details? |
| 13:40.34 | HelloDare | poll |
| 13:40.40 | pingfloyd | HelloDare: why don't you have windows mail out when it encounters the events you're looking for |
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| 13:40.47 | pingfloyd | HelloDare: then handle managing it from there |
| 13:43.21 | HelloDare | yes |
| 13:43.27 | HelloDare | it's doing that now. |
| 13:43.39 | abrotman | HelloDare: did you try to google "windows rsyslog" ? |
| 13:44.03 | HelloDare | Didn't know rsyslog existed until I got here in the channel |
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| 13:47.45 | HelloDare | The event oof the account logout is just the trigger.....unpon that triger I need awk or simial to parse the netlogon.log file to look for the machine name of the proxied transisitive login attempt. |
| 13:47.58 | HelloDare | so that's why I want to brin git into linux |
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| 13:53.32 | dpkg | bibo: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 13:53.36 | leszek | hiho. Just to inform on the chromium issue with debian stable backports. I compiled chromium with the proposed fix here: https://salsa.debian.org/chromium-team/chromium/commit/402b98bb1079079a788696650e0a922b1e16bed8 |
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| 13:54.02 | leszek | and indeed it fixes the issue reported here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=900533 |
| 13:54.18 | leszek | btw. can someone reopen that bug again as it clearly still affects debian stable |
| 13:54.22 | abrotman | leszek: did you tell teh BTS? |
| 13:54.39 | leszek | abrotman: what or who is BTS? |
| 13:55.00 | abrotman | leszek: did you send that information to the bug? |
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| 13:55.09 | annadane | Bug Tracking System |
| 13:55.11 | leszek | abrotman: not yet I can do it if you want |
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| 13:55.40 | leszek | oh actually I see chromium is in stable security not backports :P |
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| 13:56.13 | annadane | yeah, sounded weird |
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| 14:00.37 | leszek | ok reply to bug sent. |
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| 14:07.45 | annadane | ok, 9.5 released. updated installer images will be available soon |
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| 14:12.36 | tonymke | Nice! |
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| 14:13.36 | mspe | does somebody know why since stretch there is no standard live image? |
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| 14:13.52 | mspe | (I mean a live iso without desktop) |
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| 14:17.49 | leszek | ok bug seems to be updated now. Hopefully this will help fixing the bug :) |
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| 14:18.00 | leszek | bug report that is |
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| 14:19.35 | tonymke | leszek: And here I thought pandora was just broken on chromium. You're my hero. |
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| 14:31.56 | threaders | <threaders> <threaders> reprepro -V --ignore=wrongdistribution --ignore=undefinedtarget update sid |
| 14:31.56 | threaders | <threaders> <threaders> Error: unknown key '8B48AD6246925553'! |
| 14:32.26 | threaders | anyone know how to deal with this issue? |
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| 14:36.28 | somebody-now_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:40.24 | bites | threaders: have you tried importing the key? gpg2 --recv-keys 8B48AD6246925553 |
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| 15:38.01 | jhutchins | ,v chromium |
| 15:38.02 | judd | Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 62.0.3202.89-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 63.0.3239.84-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 67.0.3396.87-1~deb9u1; buster: 67.0.3396.87-1; sid: 67.0.3396.87-1; experimental: 68.0.3440.33-1 |
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| 16:20.51 | phenom | I'm configuring a server for a small business with an smtpd w/ dovecot, a pretty simple httpd (I'm actually willing to wix this), postfix or mysql (haven't decided yet, but I'll need scheming). Could you guys see running this in a VM without problems, or would you recommend installing it directly? I'm thinking the flexibility of VMs and the ability to use snapshots would make a valid case to |
| 16:20.52 | phenom | run it all in a VM. |
| 16:21.00 | bluenemo | hi guys. I just posted in OFTC but forgot about this chan that has more users.. I'm running debian 9 on AWS with a few webworkers (apache + php in front of a haproxy), while sharing images in orignal size to be rendered via NFS. rendered images are then stored locally. I migrated from a debian 8 setup on another server and used the exact same NFSv4 settings for both client and server. We are now experiencing very slow access to NFS (each read / |
| 16:21.02 | bluenemo | write takes around two seconds). Here are our nfs settings: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/c232ae75/ as in the NFS server stores the original images, which are fetched by webworkers (apache + php-fpm), the images are there minified and stored on a local disk of the webworker. We only share original size images via nfs, the code and rendered images and so on all come from the local disk of each webworker. |
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| 16:57.34 | pldiem | hi, I am trying to install ring (https://ring.cx/) and I came across the problem with dependencies |
| 16:57.34 | pldiem | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 16:57.34 | pldiem | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.34 | pldiem | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.34 | pldiem | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:59.53 | themill | pldiem: what are you trying to install it on? |
| 17:00.56 | pldiem | ring (https://ring.cx/) - video/chat tool |
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| 17:01.45 | pldiem | probably the issue is that I am on Debian testing |
| 17:01.57 | themill | that package is not designed for testing |
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| 17:02.34 | Tenkawa | hi all |
| 17:02.39 | pldiem | it looks this way |
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| 17:03.46 | pldiem | so the short answer is, better not try to install it, right? |
| 17:04.02 | themill | yeah, it's not going to install and won't work |
| 17:05.04 | pldiem | it's a pity |
| 17:05.10 | pldiem | thanks |
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| 17:18.24 | velix | Anyone with an idea, why "less -r" doesn't retain apt's color output? It works for "ls -lR --color | less -r", but not for apt. |
| 17:20.02 | petn-randall | velix: Most tools detect if they're writing to a terminal or are getting piped somewhere, and act accordingly. |
| 17:20.17 | petn-randall | velix: You likely need to explicitely tell apt to use colours. |
| 17:20.19 | velix | oh okay. Perhaps I can force apt to use colors. |
| 17:20.20 | velix | :) |
| 17:20.36 | petn-randall | velix: I've been through the same experience with colours and the tool 'ack'. |
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| 17:21.05 | velix | petn-randall: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/371350/force-apt8-genereate-color-through-pipe |
| 17:22.17 | velix | "unbuffer apt list | less -r" works! |
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| 17:23.43 | velix | Wow, now APT is finally useable. |
| 17:24.05 | annadane | first time in 25 years. |
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| 17:24.12 | annadane | now we can actually get some damn work done |
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| 17:25.23 | velix | annadane: apt-get or apt? ;) |
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| 17:25.29 | annadane | yes |
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| 17:39.25 | GenTooMan | fun filled question how does one enable a USB network adapter under debian the documentation seems murky at best. My issue appears that the the driver is not automatically loaded for my Apple USB ethernet adapter like it was for gentoo and my (old) beagle board (which is strange it works for a beagle board but not Debian) |
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| 17:41.11 | tomreyn | they can work quite differently, so a single generic documentation would not make too much sense |
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| 17:42.29 | tomreyn | you'll need to determine the USD IDs (vendor + product) by looking at "lsusb", then search for a matching linux driver, posibly (often) firmware, and maybe usb_modeswitch instructions. |
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| 17:42.36 | tomreyn | GenTooMan: ^ |
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| 17:43.51 | tomreyn | chances are, you had a newer kernel on gentoo, providing better support for it. but i'm just guessing wildly there. |
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| 17:45.55 | GenTooMan | tomreyn that was a few years ago (I've had the adapter for 4 years +) it also appears that NON USB ethernet load as I tried a different adapter. How can I know what modules exist on the system for the USB specifically usb ethernet? Do I need to rebuild the kernel or something? |
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| 17:46.50 | tomreyn | read what i wrote? |
| 17:46.58 | Brigo | you can use the kernel config file |
| 17:48.29 | GenTooMan | tomreyn woops, looks like I kind of missed the first part likely sorry about that |
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| 17:48.41 | Akuw | i have an Intel i3 cpu what version of virtualbox have i to download |
| 17:48.46 | tomreyn | np ;) |
| 17:48.51 | Akuw | Debian 9 ("Stretch") i386 | AMD64 ? |
| 17:49.26 | Akuw | i386 or AMD64 ? as long as i know AMD is for AMD processors? |
| 17:50.02 | annadane | amd is not necessarily for amd processors |
| 17:50.09 | annadane | it's just a naming convention thing |
| 17:50.13 | tomreyn | Akuw: amd64 is for anything after intel i686, 64-bit intel-like cpus |
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| 17:51.10 | tomreyn | Akuw: where i686 and lower are 32-bit architectures. |
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| 17:53.59 | tomreyn | Akuw: for the choice you are about to make, what matters is both the debian variant you have installed (there are "i386" (for both 32-bit and 64-bit intel and amd cpus) and "amd64" (for 64-bit intel / amd cpus). this is a choice you made when you installed. the other thing which matters is that your CPU supports 64-bit, but i think all intel core i3 CPUs do. |
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| 17:54.51 | annadane | basically: you'll know if your computer recognizes the installer at all |
| 17:54.54 | tomreyn | run "dpkg --print-architecture" to find out what you chose when you installed debian |
| 17:55.27 | annadane | i think they're implying they're *going to* install it |
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| 18:10.33 | zerocool | im trying to mount a repo with borgbackup in buster, getting an error |
| 18:10.37 | zerocool | 'fuse: device not found, try 'modprobe fuse' first' |
| 18:10.56 | zerocool | this is a fresh install, i do have fuse |
| 18:11.04 | annadane | !debian-next |
| 18:11.05 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 18:40.50 | zerocool | well okay the buster folks says it's a library issue so im back at stretch... |
| 18:40.54 | zerocool | https://packages.debian.org/sid/libvirt-daemon-driver-storage-gluster |
| 18:40.59 | zerocool | this is the packages that I need ^ |
| 18:41.35 | zerocool | it's provided by libvirt 4.3 which is not in stable repos, do you think it's okay to compile from source in stretch? |
| 18:42.02 | annadane | "probably" |
| 18:42.27 | zerocool | annadane: that's what im thinking too just wanted verification |
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| 18:42.35 | annadane | oh god please don't trust me. |
| 18:42.43 | annadane | ask someone who actually has more than 5 brain cells |
| 18:43.03 | zerocool | i have 6 together we are good |
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| 18:45.01 | ChmEarl | zerocool, do you use Xen, LxD, or kvm with libvirt? |
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| 18:46.17 | zerocool | ChmEarl: kvm/libvirt |
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| 18:46.52 | zerocool | my main goal here is to have libvirt mount glusterfs |
| 18:47.04 | zerocool | which requires libvirt-daemon-driver-storage-gluster |
| 18:47.14 | zerocool | which is not available to stable for whatever reasons |
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| 18:50.52 | ChmEarl | zerocool, I hope qemu-2.8 in stretch has glusterfs support... might want to check first |
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| 18:57.55 | Robby | anyone here who happened to have upgraded to debian 8.11 and kernel package linux-image-4.9.0-7-amd64 and ran into boot issues after rebooting? |
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| 18:58.15 | zerocool | ChmEarl: its does via qemu-block-extra |
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| 18:59.27 | zerocool | everything works fine, gluster works fine, i can mount the block, i can create images with qemu-img in that block, i just cant create a storage pool for gluster using libvirt |
| 18:59.36 | zerocool | meaning virsh, or virt-manager, anything that uses libvirt |
| 19:00.06 | zerocool | i guess when i say block i mean brick, but basically the volume |
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| 19:05.50 | Robby | uh, sorry, I mixed up the Debian version numbers in my previous message, I meant 9.5 of course |
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| 19:07.45 | annadane | that... sounds like a bug? |
| 19:08.01 | annadane | anyway, i have that kernel and no issues here |
| 19:09.12 | bites | Robby: what kind of boot issues? can you still boot an older kernel? |
| 19:10.31 | Robby | trying to figure that out now, my datacenter manually rebooted the box into rescue mode so I can ssh in and troubleshoot |
| 19:10.51 | Robby | was just wondering if anyone else ran into similar issues |
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| 19:11.47 | annadane | i assume you did it via a dist-upgrade, 9.5 proper isn't quite released yet |
| 19:12.00 | annadane | for like, installer purposes |
| 19:12.16 | Robby | actually no, I ran: apt-get --no-install-recommends upgrade |
| 19:12.41 | Robby | and after that: apt-get --no-install-recommends upgrade linux-image-amd64 |
| 19:12.47 | Robby | because I saw the package being held back |
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| 19:16.25 | annadane | dunno. no idea. check, like, journalctl or dmesg or something |
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| 19:19.14 | RebelCoder | Guys, On Debian Stable, Chromium 63 seems to be the default version. But it trys to update to 67, which is broken (a lot of videos don't play (coursera for example))), missing Minimize/Maximize buttons, etc... |
| 19:19.23 | RebelCoder | did anyone come across this issue too ? |
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| 19:20.17 | annadane | pretty sure this is known |
| 19:20.22 | annadane | no i don't know how to fix it |
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| 19:22.57 | chip-tenten | hello! An `apt dist-upgrade`just now tried to remove xserver and gnome, apparently to upgrade my nvidia drivers. Of course I didn't let it, but would like to know if I messed up the repos somehow ? It's been years since I've last broken my system :P |
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| 19:31.51 | quiliro | why will a boot usb work on one port and not on another port of the same machine? |
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| 19:38.06 | jmpzer0 | !FlipMoran Botnets (2013) - Heli Tiirmaa-Klaar et al.pdf |
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| 20:28.53 | Murii_ | Where can I execute a command every time the OS starts? |
| 20:29.20 | rant | Murii_: make a systemd oneshot unit |
| 20:29.43 | Murii_ | that's the only way? |
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| 20:29.58 | Murii_ | I was thinking at inserting the command in a config file and that's all |
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| 20:31.34 | nkuttler | Murii_: see also man 5 crontab |
| 20:32.41 | rant | its not even remotely close to the only way its just the way that makes the most sense |
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| 20:40.30 | zerocool | how can i find out why a package is not in stable |
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| 20:53.19 | annadane | zerocool, tracker.debian.org |
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| 22:08.38 | brenlae | hi, i have debian 9, i recently updated my system and it says i have debian 9.5, but the current version on the website (debian.org) says it is 9.4 |
| 22:08.46 | brenlae | is there something i am missing? |
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| 22:09.08 | brenlae | cat /etc/debian_version shows 9.4 |
| 22:09.10 | brenlae | er 9.5 |
| 22:09.44 | brenlae | i haven't touched the file that shows the version |
| 22:10.26 | brenlae | hmm it seems it's the website that is out of date |
| 22:10.29 | brenlae | :/ |
| 22:10.48 | brenlae | well bye |
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| 22:21.45 | tonymke | The update just came out like four hours ago |
| 22:21.50 | tonymke | lol |
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| 22:44.22 | zerocool | mine says 9.6 but i edited /etc/debian_version |
| 22:45.25 | zerocool | when i systemctl reload debian_version and systemctl restart debian_version it says that it's not a service so im not really sure how to upgrade |
| 22:48.34 | rant | you might need help from a qualified professional to adjust your meds |
| 22:48.50 | rant | cause absolutely notthing you said made any kind of sense |
| 22:49.25 | rant | when I peel an orange, the rain doesn't come... I could go on.. but I hink you get tthe idea |
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| 22:53.19 | zerocool | if i peeled an orange the rain would come but i live in portland it's always coming |
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| 23:01.31 | rant | well as long as you dont see the events as related |
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| 23:07.36 | rant | zerocool: /etc/debian_version is provided by base-files package |
| 23:07.55 | rant | its very simply unpacked from that package when upgraded |
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| 23:36.36 | random_auroras | What's this about /usr/bin/systemd-mount and clamscan's results on it? |
| 23:37.32 | rant | what's this about potato farmers and talk in #debian about things with no apparent correlation to one another today? |
| 23:38.43 | random_auroras | rant: very witty. *clap* |
| 23:39.06 | random_auroras | Now, clamscan on debian, installed purely through the approved repositories detects /usr/bin/systemd-mount as Unix.Trojan.Vali-6606621-0 |
| 23:39.31 | random_auroras | Do you see the correlation now? |
| 23:39.41 | rant | well idk if you were here but just before you someone was talking about a non-existant sysd unit and /etc/debian_version so either I'm loosing it or everyong is being vague |
| 23:40.03 | random_auroras | https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/1a180b23-a499-6df1-baf0-559f79cf7311@autisticstory.net |
| 23:40.06 | random_auroras | It's related to this thread. |
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| 23:41.49 | rant | well all I can tell you is that I don't use clamav, I highly doubt that debian ships a systemd-mount with a trojan, and other than that possible avenues include how to verify your systemd-mount is the debian one, or the simple fact that you already know about l.d.o and such.. which means you're already on top of more appropriate places to direct this sort of inquiry |
| 23:43.03 | rant | this is a general support channel for stable.. something as obscure as this is better suited as a farther reaching more long-term discussion on something like l.d.o what we could help with here is stuff like if clamav wasn't working or how to verify files with debsums or such |
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| 23:44.22 | rant | if you really thought there was a trojan in a debian file and felt real-time chat were your best option, a more developer centric rather than user centric channel would make more sense |
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| 23:47.02 | random_auroras | Sometimes real-time chat updates faster, so I figured I had a chance of more recent news there. |
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| 23:50.14 | rant | yes sometimes.. mailing lists usually generate responses in well under 6hrs and again, if you really wanted to chat it may serve you better to go to OFTC and use a developer channel . this is a legacy supporc channel for stable.. users helping users |
| 23:50.52 | rant | but really even drawing the correlation now, you haven't really specified what it is you want |
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| 23:51.09 | rant | so all I can do is paint broad strokes |
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| 23:52.53 | rant | I for one don't trust any virus scanner and never have.. the commercial ones invent crap to make em seem relevant, and even the more honest and open ones are only guessing based on heuristic scans and are overly paranoid |
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| 23:53.40 | rant | I see threats in terms of opportunity and the effects they have.. if nothing is using any resources it shouldnt be and there is no opportunity for it to do so, I consider that secure.. |
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| 23:54.06 | random_auroras | I wanted to know if it were known to be a false positive or not. In the mean time rkhunter and debsums don't report anything unusual regarding those files. |
| 23:55.12 | rant | you were already looking in the right places, l.d.o and the bts for any known false-positive. if you really want, I have a couple systems running stretch here I could see if I could reproduce the result |
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| 23:59.55 | ryouma | trying to figure out if i need intel-microcode package. when is it necessary? and is it generally considered a risk because we don't know its contents? |