IRC log for #debian on 20180715

00:00.05ryoumain the recent security update for spectre variant 2, CVE-2017-5715, the dla 1422-1 says "This mitigation requires an update to the processor's microcode" but then it says "This vulnerability was already mitigated for the x86 architecture by the "retpoline" feature."  does the latter mean that intel-microcode is not necessary?  or does it mean that it is still necessary, just already mitigated if you install the micr
00:00.05ryoumaocode.
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00:00.31random_aurorasrant: That won't be necessary. It seems to be.
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00:03.26rantyes, the result is the same here
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00:09.27rantrandom_auroras: there is also evidence that more than 60 other virus scanners say the file is clean
00:09.35rantpointing to a false positive
00:09.55rantmy first thought reproducing it was would a more recent clam engine still produce this
00:10.37rantbecause not onnly is our clamav  engine old, butt freshclam complains saying you should have at least a certain version
00:11.27rantif I were actually concerned, I'd try scanning from a recent clamav engine, possibly even from a live or non-debian system
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00:12.14rantand then if I were still concerned and the new clam engine didnt flag this, I'd seek options to get a newer clam engine in debian stable
00:12.25rant,v clamav
00:12.26juddPackage: clamav on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.99+dfsg-0+deb7u2; jessie-updates: 0.99.2+dfsg-0+deb8u3; stretch-updates: 0.99.2+dfsg-6+deb9u1; wheezy-security: 0.99.4+dfsg-1+deb7u1; stretch: 0.99.4+dfsg-1+deb9u1; jessie: 0.100.0+dfsg-0+deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 0.100.0+dfsg-0+deb9u1; buster: 0.100.0+dfsg-1+b2; sid: 0.100.0+dfsg-1+b2
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00:12.55rantit appears there is a proposed  update
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00:54.05random_aurorasI see.
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01:32.58ChmEarlzerocool, I tried that build (libvirt-4.3.0-1 in Stretch): http://paste.debian.net/plain/1033745/
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01:39.19jvavahi, can I remove ibus package, I prefer to fcitx package, for chinese and english only.
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01:46.36jvavaI prefer fcitx
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01:47.14jvavaand remove other ime I don't need
01:47.34jvavaplease help
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02:00.09rantjvava: help with what exactly? those two packages are not related, just remove ibus
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02:06.27jvavarant, ok, thank you
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02:09.10sieryHey guys! I have a problem with umounting my `/home` logical volume. I put `/` and `/home` on separete LVs and it appears thet the `/` LV is out of space. I then backup my `/home` LV and try to use the `lvchange -a n /dev/trixxxy-vg/home` command to then remove it and resize `/`.
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02:10.01sieryThe problem is that I am getting sommethig like this eatch time:
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02:10.29rantso unmount the volume first
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02:11.06sierywhen I kill all the processes in `/home` and `lsof | grep /home` returns nothing
02:11.51rantyes but are you unmounting it... seeems to me that you are just tying to deactivate the lvm it  livves  inside
02:12.16rantwhich is why its upset.. that you're not unmounting the volumes first
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02:12.50siery@rant: shold I use the `umount` command on an lv? I thought deactivating is the samme as unmounting.. C:
02:12.59rantno
02:13.14rantyou need to quit mixing the idea of a FS with an LV
02:13.23rantyou don't unmount the lv, you unmount the fs
02:13.35ranti.e. umount /home or umount /dev/mapper/dm-2
02:13.43sieryright.. that what I thought
02:14.12sierybut my '/' and '/home' are on the samme phisical disc.. how shall I unmount it?
02:14.30rantbased on what you are trying to do you should be doing this from somewhere else
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02:14.55rantyou're just creating problems trying to work on the fs your running from
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02:15.09rantboot from something else
02:15.11sieryright..thank you
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02:16.08sieryDo you think anyways that this is a good idea, or you may think some better solution to my problem?
02:16.09rantonline resizes are possible but its complex, and complexity adds time and inroduces risk
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02:16.37rantyou problem is tha you ran out of space on your rootfs?
02:17.26sieryroot lv, bot /home and root are on the same fs
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02:18.18foul_owlHow do I display emojis in debian?
02:18.20rantso its the /home that has eaten up the space then I guess.. do you have other physical volumes or space somewhere?
02:18.34foul_owlCurrently showing up as blank in my terminal emulator. Term emu is terminator
02:18.50rantif you dont have other free spac somewhere the only solution is to live with it or delete stuff :P
02:18.59siery@foul_owl: ctrl + shift + e
02:19.21siery🐕
02:21.44siery@rant: both LV are on 1 tb disc, all that is used is only about 200 gb. The problem is that I reserved to little space for root, just about 25 gb
02:22.09rant25gb is more than enough
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02:22.45rantif you used 25gb you gotta figure out where and why and offload other dirs that are using space
02:23.15sierynot really, I am doing mostly graphical design, and there are a lot of drawing tablet and graphical software stuff
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02:23.36rantthen it would be /usr/ most likely that is too large
02:23.47rantso you just offload /usr/ somewhere else
02:24.08phenomCurious, all debian netinstall links are down: https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst
02:24.34rantsiery: or just create a new /home and move all that and reclaim space from /home for /
02:24.46phenomhttps://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-9.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso
02:25.35rantphenom: there was a point release I believe today which would mean 9.4 is no longer "current" as that url suggests
02:25.46phenomAh.
02:25.57rantphenom: which would mean the links are not down, they changed and someone didnt update em
02:26.13phenomRight on right on
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02:27.11rantI only heard someone talking about it in here earlier I have not confirmed this but if there is a 9.5 out, that'd certainly explain it
02:28.44rantsiery: bottom line is if you arent very savvy in this you probably should've just used flat partitioning and i not too inconvenient, do it now while you dont have a ull 1tb of data
02:28.48phenomWell, dag on
02:29.12rantLVM will allow you to change things and correct bad foresight when afterthoughts arise.. but only if you know how to use it
02:29.54rantI personally rather deal with doing crap the old fashioned way then add all those extra layers to complicated things
02:29.59phenomI needs me some debian net install.
02:30.11rantphenom: you need a link?
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02:30.25phenomhah, well. If possible.
02:30.25sieryrant: But what when I use then package manager, all stuff is going to be installed to the /usr. Can I do it convenient to install things to my /home automatically?
02:30.26AndChat|520884i like nigger pussy
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02:30.36phenomI like turtles.
02:30.39AndChat|520884and vaginal sex
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02:30.52AndChat|520884phenom: do you fuck turtles?
02:30.58AndChat|520884that sounds cool bro
02:31.19rantphenom: http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-9.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso
02:31.22phenomI never had relations with that turtle!
02:31.32phenomrant, very kind, thank you.
02:31.38rantphenom: when in doubt I always turn to kernel.org, theyir servers are fast
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02:32.02TURTLE_FUUCKERLOL DONGS
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02:32.12TURTLE_FUUCKERWHAT THE SHELL IS THE MATTER WITH YOU phenom
02:32.30rant!ops
02:32.30dpkgPlease invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem.  Misuse of this will lead to a ban.  Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
02:32.36rant!ops obvious
02:32.36dpkgHydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: rant complains about a problem (see above)
02:32.47TURTLE_FUUCKER!ops lets fuck turtles
02:32.47dpkgHydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: turtle_fuucker complains about a problem (see above)
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02:33.00TURTLE_FUUCKER!ops someone should rate limit the !ops command
02:33.00dpkgHydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: turtle_fuucker complains about a problem (see above)
02:33.08TURTLE_FUUCKER!ops or not, its a lot of fun this way
02:33.08dpkgHydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: turtle_fuucker complains about a problem (see above)
02:33.13TURTLE_FUUCKER!ops penis
02:33.14dpkgHydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: turtle_fuucker complains about a problem (see above)
02:33.57TURTLE_FUUCKER!ops people are discriminating against me because of my sexual orientation
02:33.57dpkgHydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: turtle_fuucker complains about a problem (see above)
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02:35.25phenomrant, If there was a point release, I may as well wait until tomorrow.
02:35.32TURTLE_FUUCKERmniip, dictator of #freenode made me leave there
02:35.42phenomI s'pose.
02:35.51TURTLE_FUUCKERso now i come here peacfully to fuck my turtles
02:36.18Unit193TURTLE_FUUCKER: Please don't do that here.  Thanks.
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02:36.37TURTLE_FUUCKERUnit193: okay sure.  i will go elsewhere
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02:44.58jvavahi, I don't know where I can set XMODIFIER variable, I put it in ~/.xprofile and /etc/profile.d/afile, but still its values is ibus but not fcitx what I expect.
02:45.15jvavait is debian 9 stretch.
02:45.56jvavaexport XMODIFIERS=@im=fcitx`   does not work.
02:47.42jvavaif I fall back to ibus, can I use chinese input method, a ibus-pin exist, but ibus-google-pinyin not, so I prefer fcitx, please help.
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02:50.59rantjvava: did you try restarting the display manager or rebooing after changing that/
02:51.32rantyou can't just add exports and expect them to be added to the environment immediately
02:51.49rantwhen doing it in a config ile that is
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02:55.11jvavarant, I did reboot my computer
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03:15.03ChmEarlzerocool, there is a bug in wireshark.pc in stretch
03:15.41ChmEarl^^ causes the libvirt-4.3.0 build to stop during dh_install
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03:20.42granttrecdoes anyone know how apt knows who has requested a package install etc?
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05:00.25rantgranttrec: what? only root can install anything
05:00.56rantgranttrec: thus you can tell by auth.log who accessed root and cross ref with apt's history logs
05:01.00granttrecrant: dont worry about it I was looking for $SUDO_USER
05:01.21granttrecthanks tho
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06:57.33cluelesspersondoes anyone know how to trigger an inotify event?
06:57.41cluelesspersonnot watch for events, set one off
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07:03.21rantcluelessperson: https://gist.github.com/fago/9608238
07:03.50rantmight be of use, first hit on google, seems to be a script to trigger an event
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07:04.28rantuses inotifywait
07:05.10lessthan0https://linux.die.net/man/1/inotifywait
07:05.36lessthan0part of inotify-tools
07:05.51lessthan0I never used this every but I googled it
07:06.34lessthan0it looks like you can do it all in cli but that is just a guess
07:06.56lessthan0you will probably want to script something at some point even if it is only 3 lines
07:07.13cluelesspersonrant: I want to *directly* trigger the event
07:07.21cluelesspersonnot use another tool to watch for an event
07:07.29cluelesspersoninotify doesn't work over NFS
07:07.34lessthan0it is a kernel module
07:07.36rantthere is also python-inotiy
07:07.57cluelesspersonthose all use the kernel module to setup watches
07:08.02cluelesspersonthey do not trigger the kernel event
07:08.30lessthan0inotify.h is part of libc
07:09.03rantcluelessperson: perhaps use apropos inotify, and read those manpages
07:10.27lessthan0https://mirrors.edge.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/rml/inotify/headers/inotify.h
07:10.42cluelesspersonfds[0].events = POLLIN;
07:11.14cluelesspersonunfortunately I'm not sure how to read this and trigger things myself. -_-;
07:14.23rantpython-inotify has an event_gen() method for instances
07:15.59lessthan0I read this whole thing https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-ubuntu-inotify/
07:16.07lessthan0it is not some timer and loop
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07:16.16lessthan0it is the actual hook
07:16.21lessthan0it is exactly what you want
07:16.42lessthan0just need to learn some c or alternatively need to learn bash or need to learn python
07:17.07lessthan0you don't need to learn them all but you must learn at least one of them and read the docs on that method
07:17.24rantpython doesn't really need to be learned.. I been making stuff up as I go along for over a decade
07:17.28rantheh
07:17.49lessthan0I think he is pretty lost
07:18.01lessthan0and not in the right mind set to help himself
07:18.18rantlessthan0: what tipped you off :P
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07:18.53rantlessthan0: /nick captobvious
07:20.02lessthan0somewhere between the typical condescending of the experts and the helpless shy self defeating losers is me trying to sound less condescending or sarcastic and also trying to motivate the noob
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07:20.37lessthan0to bridge the gap
07:20.42lessthan0grow the community
07:21.15rantyeah well I'm no expert and I know what you mean.. I got a cups issue I had to walk away from cause it just pissed me off to the point I was only good for beating the printter to bits :P
07:22.20rantproblem is many of us with a lot of experience that are fairly capable of figuring things out, once we hit that wall.. we're already so zoomed in on something so far down the wrong branch of the wrong diagnostic tree, we can't really be helped :P
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07:23.11rantcause we're mad, exhausted, and feel like we've done it all already
07:23.30lessthan0today I almost changed my whole life from a cloud deployment architect student to a usb dev
07:23.55rantand usually the problem lies somewhere back by square one, where you were trying to do the wrong thing to begin with .. and at that point in the game you don't wanna hear that
07:23.56lessthan0and then I was like uhhhhhh shit this is the biggest time suck waste of time lost cause
07:24.36lessthan0talk about zooming in on a problem that could be it right there
07:25.45lessthan0<rant> cause we're mad, exhausted, and feel like we've done it all already
07:25.54lessthan0I feel this way sometimes
07:26.05lessthan0but then I always get reminded that there is more to learn
07:26.45rantyeah well the crappy feeling to me is when I come here to ask something and get nohing but crickets.. but with 15 years or so experience with debian and this channel I know as I just stated that the problem in those situations is PEBCAK :P
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07:27.36lessthan0Layer 8
07:27.57lessthan0undocumented part of the OSI model
07:28.29lessthan0I told someone once in helpdesk after you installed the drivers did you check the operator?
07:28.48lessthan0they replied "how do I check that?"
07:29.24rantheh.. yeah well thing is when do you ask for help? cause too early and you don know what to ask cause you haven't hit a real problem yet you need to ask, and too late and you're so far down the rabbit hole nobody knows where you're at or how you got there
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07:29.51lessthan0yeah true
07:30.19lessthan0conversations have limited bandwidth in reality
07:30.27lessthan0because we are not computers
07:30.31lessthan0we are legacy apes
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07:31.40lessthan0we only function barely through many layers of inaccurate abstractions that map differently to clearly defined things
07:32.35rantclearly defined only within our own namespace :P
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07:32.55lessthan0well this is getting into theoretical ideas
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07:33.49lessthan0saying that the language is inaccurate compared to things that would theoretically be so accurately defined that they could not be understood differently by anyone
07:33.54rantI feel we're fast approaching a point where if we dont address such things we're going to self destruct
07:34.48rantDebian grows with each release and spinoffs keep coming.. yet things are being overlooked
07:34.57lessthan0like all the possible data in an event horizon being concretely one thing at one point in time or space but not both at best
07:35.33lessthan0and the way we talk about getting a sandwich is very lose
07:35.42lessthan0sometimes lost in translation
07:36.29rantI fear in the not too distant future we may just be the univeral group of tired old people the kids who have built on our ideas, no longer even heard of
07:36.42lessthan0how much did the sandwich weigh. what was the composition etc.. not defined
07:37.34rantyou may be interested in ##philosophy-uncensored and/or #debian-offtopic
07:37.38lessthan0that is the difference between code and asking about code
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07:38.10lessthan0I see I have exceeded the bandwidth of this conversation as predicted
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07:39.14rantheh its crickets in here.  but I do understand from many years, the way many supporters feel about the activity on this channel drawing their valuable attention for non-support issues
07:39.51rantand I was asked to moderate that whiners spinoff of ##philosophy that has a more broad range of topic
07:40.12rantfigured it was worth mentioning
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07:42.27rantI do think our support community needs some work to grow with the times though and I think that sort of thing requires some more lengthy philosophical discussion
07:43.11rantI've drafted a project to address this, but I dont have the time or skills to pull it off without significant help
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07:54.37disasterhi! i'm kind new with system administration and i have thoses messages from clamav : /usr/bin/messages.mailutils: Unix.Trojan.Vali-6606621-0 FOUND /usr/bin/systemd-mount: Unix.Trojan.Vali-6606621-0 FOUND
07:54.45disasterthat seems to be false positive but i don't know how to check that
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07:57.16rantyes we explored this earlier today.. some 60 other virus scanners seem to think the file is fine
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07:57.34rantI suggested scanning it with a newer clamav engine to see if it still occurs
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08:07.34disasteri checked with debsums -c and nothing come is that enough?
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08:08.57rantdepends on if you trust the maintainers/developers
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08:09.32disasterrant: i only use debian official packages
08:09.59disasterrant: on stable branch
08:10.09rantpersonally I dont trust virus scanners and exploring the systemd-mount one earlier led to a l.d.o thread which showed over 60 other virus scanners detected nothing on the same file
08:10.37disasterrant: what ldo mean?
08:10.50rantlists.debian.org our mailing lists
08:12.29disasterrant: ok i read some mail too and it seems to be the same on arch and centos
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08:15.18rantyes and as I said more than 60 other virus scanners disagree
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08:15.56disasterrant: thank you for the help
08:15.59rantso either the entire systemd using FOSS world is compromised by a trojan, or using modern virus definitions without outdated clamav engine causes problems
08:16.53rantI suspect though I have not verified that an updated clamav engine may not show this
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08:17.51disasterrant: maybe but i don't want to use private repository on my server so i won't try that live
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08:19.25rantidk what you mean
08:19.48rantwhen you run freshclam it complains about stretch's clamav engine version
08:20.00rantthe newer version is in stretch-proposed-updates
08:20.18rant,v clamav
08:20.20juddPackage: clamav on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.99+dfsg-0+deb7u2; jessie-updates: 0.99.2+dfsg-0+deb8u3; stretch-updates: 0.99.2+dfsg-6+deb9u1; wheezy-security: 0.99.4+dfsg-1+deb7u1; stretch: 0.99.4+dfsg-1+deb9u1; jessie: 0.100.0+dfsg-0+deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 0.100.0+dfsg-0+deb9u1; buster: 0.100.0+dfsg-1+b2; sid: 0.100.0+dfsg-1+b2
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08:21.45rantWARNING: Your ClamAV installation is OUTDATED! WARNING: Local version: 0.99.4 Recommended version: 0.100.1
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08:22.19rantif the deinition updates is complaining, chances are the devs know this could result in issues
08:22.57disasteri'll check that
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08:43.24Rust3dCor3Hi. I've apt-get upgraded my system. Can any one help me figure out why I have 49 packages that are not upgraded? All of them are nvidia packages and some are vlc. I got deb-multimedia and stretch-backports on my sources.list
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08:48.20rantdeb-multimedia is a very bad idea and your system probably has some package breakage as a result
08:48.36rant!dmm
08:48.36dpkgWe recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems.  They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons.  See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm stretch>, <dmm jessie>.  See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>.
08:49.05Rust3dCor3so it is better idea just to leave it?
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08:49.12ranthowever things like apt-policy might help shed some light
08:49.20Rust3dCor3i mean. to remove it
08:49.24rantI'd ollow the dmm remove instructions and not touch that anymore
08:49.41rantit used to be required for a lot of things.. but not so much anymore
08:49.42Rust3dCor3ok
08:50.01Rust3dCor3!dmm stretch
08:50.01dpkgIf you really need deb-multimedia.org (are you sure your information isn't five years out of date?), then (as root): echo "deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org/ stretch main non-free" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/dmm.list; aptitude update && aptitude install deb-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update.  For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>.  See <why not dmm>.
08:50.23Rust3dCor3!dmm remove
08:50.23dpkgIf you want to remove the packages from deb-multimedia.org and reinstall the packages from Debian repositories, one could do this: dpkg --remove --force-depends $(aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' --disable-columns -F%p); remove the dmm repository from sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get install -f; install the still missing packages which were removed in the former process ...
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08:51.57babilenRust3dCor3: It might also help if you were to paste the package manager output you were referring to earlier to http://paste.debian.net
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08:55.30Rust3dCor3https://paste.debian.net/1033759/
08:56.06Rust3dCor3!dmm why not dmm
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08:56.23Rust3dCor3!why not dmm
08:56.23dpkgThe deb-multimedia.org repository was once the only way of getting good multimedia support.  By the release of Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" this was mostly not true and for Debian 7 "Wheezy" this situation is even better.  Libraries from dmm are known to cause incompatibilities with packages from Debian; packages may not meet the <DFSG> so are not allowed in Debian.  Use dmm as a last resort; ask me about <dmm pinning> and <dmm remove>.
08:57.07annadaneyou can also /msg the bot; avoids channel spam
08:57.12Rust3dCor3ok
08:57.15babilenRust3dCor3: Could you paste the output of "apt -s full-upgrade" ?
08:57.25babilenbrb
08:58.05Rust3dCor3https://paste.debian.net/1033760/
08:58.44babilenThat doesn't look too bad .. I'd still get rid of dmm though
08:59.48Rust3dCor3im going for it
09:00.00Rust3dCor3i really had no idea why i had for such a long time
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09:00.19Rust3dCor3probably because i needed avidemux some time ago and i was not that well informed
09:01.10michael2how is it that debian stretch doesn't need non-free packages to play h264 encoded video?
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09:08.26Rust3dCor3ok. im rebooting. i can be offline for a while but ill update later. You know. Nvidia drivers
09:09.04biteslibavcodec includes a free H.264 decoder.
09:10.12michael2is that provided in ffmpeg these days? I had problems with libav
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09:11.44threadersreprepro -V --ignore=wrongdistribution --ignore=undefinedtarget update sid
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09:11.50threadersError: unknown key '8B48AD6246925553'!
09:11.52threadersanyone know how to deal with this issue?
09:12.21bitesthreaders: have you seen my answer yesterday? did you try importing the key?
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09:12.43threadersand how much space would the entire powerpc binary debian packages take
09:13.15rantthreaders: you mean to make a local repo of jessie/powerpc?
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09:13.51threadersbites, dont think so, tried importing it all sorts of ways from the interwebs so i was hoping for a magic ignore the key fix, one can add a command to reprepro to do this but simple-cdd magically calls it via smoke signals or something
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09:14.05threadersi\ll see if i can find the answer in the backlog ,. se
09:14.05threadersc
09:14.09bitesgpg --recv-keys 8B48AD6246925553
09:14.18bitesthreaders: like this?
09:14.18rantthreaders: the powerpc repo is about 100GB roughly
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09:15.22threadersrant, thnx, thats doable at least
09:15.51threadersbites, : public key "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (7.0/wheezy) <ftpmaster@debian.org>" imported
09:16.02threadersbut this is a snapshot of the latest unstable
09:16.07Rust3dCor3folks. Looks like im online whit 3d graphics and no dmm repos
09:16.14Rust3dCor3thank You for cooperation
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09:16.39bitesthreaders: that's the key reprepro complained about. i don't know how you configured it.
09:17.01rantRust3dCor3: problem isnt just the repos but what the packages do.. did you get rid of the packages?
09:17.25Rust3dCor3ive removed them and than installed again after apt-get update
09:17.40threadersbites, build-simple-cdd --dvd --profiles-udeb-dist sid --dist sid --debian-mirror "http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20180707T082921Z/"   --updates-mirror "http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20180707T082921Z/" --require-optional-packages --local-packages archives/ -p Debian-20180707-polkit-fix-ppc32 --extra-udeb-dist sid
09:17.54Rust3dCor3apt-get says i had 49 packages not upgraded after the whole thing
09:17.57Rust3dCor3now its 0
09:18.16Rust3dCor3so. yeah. I think im fine
09:18.33rantyes well those dmm packages will break things in obvious and not-so-obvious ways
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09:18.48rantits just good that you thought to mention it
09:18.55threadersi use it like this in sources.list deb [check-valid-until=no]
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09:20.52threaderswithout its :
09:20.52threadersE: Release file for http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20180707T082921Z/dists/unstable/InRelease is expired (invalid since 1d 1h 18min 57s). Updates for this repository will not be applied.
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09:47.24threadersrant, im wanting to gather some ppc32 people, im into amigas as well, which run on ppc now, and have a) the latest possible install disk b) be able to build further releases from source
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09:54.12threadersrant, bites, success!
09:55.12threadersadded -o Aquire::Check-Valid-Until=false to the simple-cdd config
09:55.35threadersthought it was a reprepro problem
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10:01.45threadersyaay, next problem
10:01.48threaders2018-07-15 11:59:41 ERROR missing required packages from profile default: grub-pc grub-efi acpi syslinux
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10:17.31shtrbAnyone here have the Sierra WWAN (usb or pcie) and can confirm if it works with Stretch (like the EM7455), I got a Huawei wwan that no longer works with nm in stretch  ?
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10:23.32threadersuh
10:23.42threaders<PROTECTED>
10:23.42threadersCouldn't find any package whose name or description matched "gnu-efi"
10:24.03threadersi just added the 2016 testing ppc repo too
10:24.15shtrbppc ?
10:24.18threadersyes sir
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10:27.28annadaneare you on stable? don't mix in any testing repos
10:27.42shtrbAnd what is "2016 testing" ?
10:28.03threadersannadane, nope, unstable from 2018 0707
10:28.28threadersshtrb, thats when powerpc got purged, 31 oct 2016 apparently
10:28.43shtrbthreaders, you are mixing dists , expect issues
10:29.17threaders../mirror/lists/default_sid_main_powerpc_Packages:Recommends: grub-efi-amd64-bin, tftpd-hpa | atftpd | dnsmasq
10:29.18annadanemixing testing and unstable can be fine, but "2016 testing" sounds... bad
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10:29.46threadersannadane, i am trying to create an install disk
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10:30.07threadersthe last powerpc32 install dvd
10:30.14threaders../mirror/lists/default_sid_main_powerpc_Packages:Recommends: grub-efi-amd64-bin, tftpd-hpa | atftpd | dnsmasq
10:30.25threadersright ...
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10:37.28RoyKthreaders: just curious - what sort of machine is this? ppc32 isn't really very modern anymore ;)
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10:38.18threadersRoyK, powerbook g4 , the last model made in 2005
10:38.34threaders2 gigs of ddr . and radeon 9xxx
10:38.40threaders9700 i think
10:38.43RoyKhad one of those - three, actually, over the years
10:38.54threadersi love the keyboard
10:39.04RoyKthey're nice
10:39.23RoyKbut with 1,2GHz of old CPU power… well ;)
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10:39.57threadersvery, i like messing with code and such so there are tonnes of enterainment here for me, i want to attack the darwin at some point, i started updating the mach kernel to at least compile with newer compilers a few years ago
10:40.26threadersRoyK, ofh, yeah this is the 1.66 ghz, you feel the 1 coreness , compiling the kernel takes a day
10:40.45RoyKhehe
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10:42.13RoyKis typing on an old macbook pro 17" from 2010
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10:42.28shtrbIs that bad thing ?
10:42.36RoyKno
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10:43.18RoyKonly upgrade I've done was to replace the spinning rust with an SSD
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10:44.32threadershopes --require-optional-packages is the problem
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10:50.32threaderstotal-packages: 2224
10:50.50mspeI hesitate to do the same
10:51.06mspefor now I only upgraded it to 8 GB of RAM
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11:01.41threadershrm, still  missing optional packages from profile default: grub-pc grub-efi acpi syslinux
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11:03.17threaderswhy on urth does it do this for ppc target
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12:04.06threadersmeeh, cant be that serious, it spat out a debian iso , finally!!
12:04.06threaders2018-07-15 14:02:29 ERROR distcheck: exited with code 64
12:04.06threaders2018-07-15 14:02:29 ERROR Last 2 lines of standard error:
12:04.06threaders2018-07-15 14:02:29 ERROR distcheck:: Fatal error in module common/format822.ml:
12:04.18threaders2018-07-15 14:02:29 ERROR distcheck::  character 74-0: RFC 822 error.
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12:04.54akayanyone here knows something about slab/slub, cache_reap and high cpu/mem usage of kworker? :)
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12:05.47threadersi read slub was better than slab in some cases, i think more modern lower latency stuff, but its been years since i saw a presentation on the subject
12:05.54threadersakay,
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12:06.23threadersthere was a good talk on slab vs slub at least, but i could not locate it last i tried, but its out there
12:06.30akaythreaders! i'm thinking the same, also it seems like it might fix my high mem usage and high cpu usage of kworker threads
12:06.57akaybut i'm not 100% sure as i'm not into kernel development
12:07.26threadersdont know about that, sounds like something is misbehaving badly, what does top say when ran as root?
12:08.04threadersughm, i got to run
12:08.09threadersgood luck akay
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12:09.14akaythank you threaders, have a good one
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13:01.24abrockhi
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13:01.38abrockI'm trying to burn an audio CD using wodim.
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13:02.00abrockBut I always get an error after 0 bytes written:
13:02.01abrockhttp://paste.debian.net/1033778/
13:02.16abrockit doesn't matter if I use the -dummy option or not
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13:02.36abrockI tried 2 different CDR types, no difference
13:03.02abrockI tried a dummy write on a DVD+R disk, that worked without problems
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13:12.54s0nou572%n
13:12.54dselectsomebody said n was a nitrogen atom, or 420, or {1,2,3,....}
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13:15.28beaufhello debian irc channel! I would appreciate if someone has some time just to answer a few questions to help me resolve an issue. I have used a number of GNU/Linux Distros but I am not a deft hand. I just fiddle with stuff sometimes make it work, sometimes break it. ANYWAZE... #1
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13:18.51dgpbeauf: just ask the question in a single message.
13:18.52abrockbeauf: it's better to simply ask the specific question / describe the problem, if someone knows answers and has time you will most likely get help
13:19.16beaufKali GNU/Linux has just been installed my new laptop. I purchased the laptop in Easter and it has taken me that long to get access to a wire local area network to fix the networking issue. #2
13:19.38beaufdgp: noted. 0bda:b009 Realtek I need chipset can't find table
13:20.47beaufdgp:  SerialNumber: 00e04c000001
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13:23.04annadaneokay, but kali isn't really supported here, if you had technical questions about it
13:23.09annadane!kali
13:23.09dpkgKali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>.  It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian.  Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ .  Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
13:23.53beaufdpkg kali linux
13:23.53dpkgKali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>.  It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian.  Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ .  Also ask me about <based on debian>.
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13:25.28beaufthank you all very much
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13:27.30annadanehopes *that* factoid is correct
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13:39.58orbeaAnyone know what happened to the source repo for mdf2iso? https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/mdf2iso Its dead and repology claims its been this way over a month.
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13:40.21orbeaI mean this http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-maint/mdf2iso.git;a=summary
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13:44.15abrockI tried to put in a disc upside down just to see if the drive recognises that something's wrong and it does. Wodim says "Can not load media" etc.
13:45.11s0nou572Don't understand too. --> https://qa.debian.org/cgi-bin/vcswatch?package=mdf2iso
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13:53.30akaywhat is the default io scheduler? cfq?
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13:57.08BCMMakay: it's cfq here (sid) and i don't remember changing it.
13:57.14A|anI have Win7Pro installed in VirtualBox, to use Office 365...I ran a system update earlier this morning (after being prompted) and now I get a "Error in supliboslnit"..."Kernel driver not installed (rc=-1908)"
13:57.25BCMMi'd forgotten all about io scheduling... is cfq still a good idea on an ssd?
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13:57.48A|anDid that system update whack out VirtualBox...along with all my files in Win7?
13:57.48akayBCMM: that's actually the reason i want to switch back to cfq
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13:57.57akayit doesnt seem like deadline is a good idea when running a SSD
13:58.06akayor better said, its not needed
13:58.34BCMMakay: some people have advocated noop on SSDs, but i'm not sure how accepted that is
13:58.49akayoh, thanks for the tip ill look into that before compiling :)
13:59.00BCMMakay: btw are you on sata or nvme?
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14:00.11akayBCMM: sata
14:00.41akaywell you know what, thinking about it noop makes sense
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14:01.05akayif you're not looking at a interface bottleneck noop should indeed be a good choice
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14:02.54BCMMakay: looks like there's a move away from the traditional schedulers due to the new(ish) blk-mq framework. i can't find clear information on exactly *when* that is happening or has happened, though
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14:05.18BCMMakay: ah - http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1807.0/02224.html
14:06.02akayBCMM: yay for multi-queuing :)
14:06.32BCMMakay: seems pretty neat. but point is, looks like picking a scheduler might be something that'll need revisiting in just a few months
14:07.20akayBCMM: yeah, it's cool to see that I/O scheduling gets a rework
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14:07.49akayi'm sure lots of people running high i/o based systems will really enjoy it
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14:11.25BCMMor just systems where high io happens occasionally - for like a decade i've been able to "feel" when updatedb is running, for example
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14:31.59mandeepwhen i login to my desktop i always have to run xset r rate 200 60. i decided to write a script and add it to crontab but it doesnt work. is there any other way to run a script after logging in/
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14:35.23furrymcgeeyou can try to set it in your $HOME/.xsession
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14:40.16cnrhkiyfHow to get rid of screen tearing with AMDGPU drivers on AMD A6 APU with R5 GPU? I use debian testing with xfce4. I already tried compton with disabled xfce4 compositor, it is better than with standard xfce4 compositor but tearing is not 100% gone.
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15:03.15Something1cnrhkiyf, try taking a look at this website https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/AMDGPU. Headings ¨Xorg configuration¨ and ¨Performance tuning¨
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15:08.28TyrfingMjolnirHow do I set the IP address of my system in stretch?
15:09.26TyrfingMjolnir/etc/network/interfaces has iface eth0 inet manual
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15:10.21TyrfingMjolnirip a tells me the IP address
15:10.26furrymcgeedid you read man interfaces?
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15:10.36TyrfingMjolnirAnd I can set this too
15:10.46TyrfingMjolnirWill this make the IP persist?
15:10.53TyrfingMjolnirfurrymcgee: Will do
15:11.23[E]sci'm using debian 9.2 and i'm on KDE. whenever I use VLC to play videos before it would stop the screensaver from activating. however after an update, either via vlc or the dist, it keeps turn on when i play videos.  I tried turning the screensaver off and on again, but that doesn't seem to work nor does it work when i reset the vlc preferences, any ideas how to fix this?
15:11.41RoyKTyrfingMjolnir: use "static" not manual
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15:13.27TyrfingMjolnirRoyK: static is what I have been using since debian 2, no?
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15:15.38RoyKTyrfingMjolnir: still the same
15:16.02TyrfingMjolnirPerfect
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15:36.19NitrogenGreetings. After an update, sites like gfycat.com don't work on Chromium anymore. How do I fix that?
15:36.45Nitrogen(Also, the files don't play properly on Firefox. That has always been the case)
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15:42.51NitrogenI just checked a webm on Commons, and that doesn't work either.
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15:43.24Something1Can you do a ´apt update´ to see if there are not packages that are ready to be updated?
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15:45.52NitrogenIs there a difference to apt-get update? I always do that before typing apt-get upgrade
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15:46.28Something1No it´s practically the same. Uses the same backend and all that too
15:46.56Something1But you can try a ´apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade´ to be sure
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15:50.26lessthan0how do I lookup a bug by bug number
15:50.28shtrb*apt-get dist-upgrade -d would be safer
15:50.39lessthan0this must be something obvious I am missing
15:50.42shtrblessthan0, bugs.debian.org/ID
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15:51.36lessthan0can we add this to the wiki?
15:51.51lessthan0or add it to bug search as search by bug #?
15:52.15lessthan0add it to google search results with SEO?
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15:52.19shtrb#763832
15:52.20juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/763832 in gqrx-sdr (closed): «gqrx-sdr: missing dependency on pulseaudio»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-10-03; last modified: 2015-10-14.
15:52.21NCS_Onehi
15:52.23shtrblessthan0, ^
15:52.29lessthan0wow that is easy
15:52.43lessthan0#878088
15:52.44juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/878088 in reportbug (closed, patch): «reportbug: please inform security and lts teams about security update regressions»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2017-10-09; last modified: 2018-03-27.
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15:53.06shtrblessthan0, you can also talk directly to judd
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15:53.12lessthan0I see this update today but the description is not helpful
15:53.38Something1Nitrogen, you can also look at your /etc/apt/sources.list if it looks like https://paste.debian.net/plainh/0c6394c8
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15:55.39NitrogenI don't want any non-free stuff tho :x It did work a few days before.
15:55.59shtrbremove non-free from your sources.list
15:56.17Something1And you have the security one as well?
15:57.07NCS_Oneso the Debian site says that to prepare a usb with a Debian install I should "having made sure that the stick is unmounted", do "# cp debian.iso /dev/sdX", then "# sync". Can I copy to usb with it unmounted?
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15:59.39Something1Yes, NCS_One
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16:04.27jellyNCS_One, you have to, the point is to overwrite the whole device
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16:07.10NCS_Onejelly: the usb was mounted on /dev/sdb1 I unmounted it and tryed "cp Downloads/debian-live-9.5.0-amd64-xfce.iso /dev/sdb", got "cp: cannot create regular file '/dev/sdb': Permission denied"
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16:08.08dvsNCS_One, as root?
16:08.13NCS_Oneno
16:08.22dvstry cp as root
16:08.28NCS_Onecan I use sudo?
16:08.32jellyyes
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16:14.20lessthan0as far as I can tell the update is for reportbug? because people were reporting security bugs and it was not tracked properly in BTS?
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16:14.48lessthan0so it is not exactly a security patch but a reportbug patch?
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16:15.03lessthan0and the bug report in reportbug is actually about reportbug?
16:15.08lessthan0meta
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16:19.28NCS_Onethanks
16:21.02dvsnp
16:21.46NCS_Onefdisk doesn't come in the default install, can I install it if I'm using Debian on a usb?
16:22.04jellyare you SURE it doesn't come?
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16:23.02NCS_Oneat least in my install I can't find it
16:23.20NCS_OneI'm on a Debian system
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16:25.01jellyNCS_One, are you root?  /sbin/fdisk should be there
16:25.02BCMMNCS_One: have you tried /sbin/fdisk?
16:25.05biteswhat kind of install? fdisk does come by default on normal installs. it's in util-linux.
16:25.20BCMMNCS_One: unlike some other distros, debian doesn't have /sbin/ in the PATH for regular users
16:25.54NCS_Onebites: oh, you are right
16:26.08NCS_OneI was trying sd<tab>
16:26.24NCS_Onesorry
16:26.29NCS_Onefd<tab>
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16:28.08BCMMbites: minor detail: for the purposes of debian packaging, util-linux depends on fdisk rather than including fdisk
16:28.14BCMMbut yeah it's pretty hard to not have it installed
16:28.30BCMMNCS_One: btw, mounting is the process of making the filesystem *on* a block device accessible to linux. *not* the process of making the block device itself available.
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16:28.58bitesBCMM: it includes the binary.
16:29.07BCMMNCS_One: so while you obviously can't copy individual files on to a USB stick while it's not mounted, you can just replace the whole filesystem at a block level
16:29.33BCMMbites: huh, weird. what does dpkg -S /sbin/fdisk show on your system?
16:29.49bitesutil-linux: /sbin/fdisk
16:30.05BCMMbites: my apologies; it must have changed in sid i guess
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16:30.44lessthan0rebooting for 7.1.7+deb9u2 #878088
16:30.45juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/878088 in reportbug (closed, patch): «reportbug: please inform security and lts teams about security update regressions»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2017-10-09; last modified: 2018-03-27.
16:31.15BCMMbites: ah yes, changed in buster
16:33.05BCMMNCS_One: and, in fact, you should always unmount before writing an image to a disk, because otherwise it's likely that the driver of the previously mounted filesystem will carry on writing to the disk (as it has no way of knowing that you've gone over its head and modified the disk yourself)
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16:37.12NCS_OneBCMM: thanks for the info
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16:41.47NCS_OneI'm trying to check a disk for errors
16:42.01NCS_OneI'm using badblocks
16:42.27NCS_Onerecommend any other?
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16:46.41csmallCan the kernel from testing be used in stable easily and if so, how are security updates handled for the 'backported' kernel package?
16:48.25bitesyou can install the kernel from stretch-backports. it does not get timely security updates.
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16:48.52biteshttps://backports.debian.org/Instructions/
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16:48.55jellythey're somewhat timely.
16:49.07csmallbites: Is it the two day delay or something?
16:49.20jellycsmall, might be a week or three.
16:49.29bitesnothing guaranteed.
16:49.32jelly^
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17:10.30ChmEarlzerocool, msg me
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17:11.36csmallok
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17:11.57csmallI have a laptop with newer hardware and I think the latest kernel will support it better.
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17:12.33csmallRight now I am running Arch with zero issues but I miss Debian. :)
17:13.33csmallTesting gets security updates but not as quickly as stable, correct?
17:13.58jellyincorrect
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17:14.07jellytesting does NOT get security updates
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17:14.45csmallOh, I must have not understood what I was reading.
17:14.55jellyunstable gets updates, be they security or not.  If the stars align, they end up in testing
17:15.26NCS_Onecan I install apps with the usb Debian?
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17:15.33jelly!testing security
17:15.33dpkgSecurity updates in testing are delayed by the normal testing migration *and* may be further delayed by missing dependencies, etc. See https://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing
17:15.37BCMMjelly: for clarification, that means testing *might* get updates that are security-related, but there's not a specific system in place to make sure it happens, right?
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17:15.47jellyBCMM, right
17:15.57csmallI see
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17:17.02csmallI've always run sid in the past but I started considering stable/testing recently and am for the first time trying to understand the security update process.
17:17.23csmallservers I run stable, but my laptop/desktops have always been sid
17:18.04NCS_Onewhich package has smartctl?
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17:18.11jellyNCS_One, if it's an installation and not a live usb, yes.  If it's live, you can perhaps enable persistency but it might not be very viable in the long run
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17:18.36jellyNCS_One, smartmontools.  Also, you can ask the bot: /msg judd file bin/smartctl
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17:18.43NCS_Onejelly: its just to check a disk errors
17:19.10jfbourdeauI was used to Ubuntu. Considering moving to Debian.   Is Debian succeptible to things like this https://thehackernews.com/2018/07/arch-linux-aur-malware.html   I supposed of the user in front of the keyboard, what we install etc ?
17:19.35jfbourdeaumeant deppend of the " user in front of the keyboard"
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17:19.37NCS_OneI try "sudo apt-get install smartmontools" but it can't find it
17:19.48jellyah.  I prefer grml.org instead of a normal debian live to do sysadmin things.  It comes with almost every tool imaginable needed for recovery and fixing stuff.
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17:21.03jellyjfbourdeau, debian can use third party repositories, and it's on you to decide whether you trust them.
17:21.28jfbourdeauTKs jelly
17:21.36jellyNCS_One, don't forget to "apt-get update" first
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17:24.01jellyjfbourdeau, this isn't any different from git cloning a random piece of source from somewhere and building and installing it and hoping it does not contain malware
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17:31.44csmallIs a rolling release more secure because it will likely get security issues fixed upstream reqularly or is a point release stable system more secure because nothing new is introduced except for security patches?
17:32.03csmallSeems like a matter of opinion I guess
17:32.08shtrbThere is no secure because of magic thing
17:32.17csmallshtrb: Not what I mean
17:32.24rantcsmall: haha.. no.
17:32.43roziechanges in upstream can introduce security flaws too
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17:33.02csmallrozie: True.
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17:33.22rantywes in my experience distros with time based schedules suffer more unexpected bugs not less
17:33.23rozieso I believe stable system is more secure
17:33.32shtrbcsmall, rolling is not more secure than point release (and vice versa)
17:33.47csmallshtrb: Yeah I know what you mean
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17:34.13rozieif only developer react to security fixes in upstram quickly
17:34.18csmallMore so curious what everyones opinion was
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17:34.31roziebut there's no silver bullet
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17:34.52csmallrozie: Less likely, yeah
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17:36.25csmallI'll give stable a shot and see how my hardware likes it.
17:37.16jellyit does not mater.  A distro needs a security team and a well established workflow to track and fix issues.  Whether they deliver rolling or jumping or staircase releases is less important
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17:38.52csmalljelly: In the sea of Linux dist's Debian's seems to have a decent track record.
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17:39.27shtrbWhat's a staircase release ?
17:39.56mspea release every 2 or 3 years
17:40.15mspewith numerous big changes at once
17:40.16shtrbSo .. Debian ?
17:40.23mspedebian stable
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17:41.16mspedebian testing is for testing the future stable release and benefits from a security team also
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17:42.29mspedebian unstable moves all the time: newer releases all the time, so you might get quicker bugfixes than testing, but you also might get new bugs faster
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17:43.25phenomDebian, YO, where are the etinstall images?
17:43.32phenomnetinstall*
17:43.39mspedebian unstable can be nice to use newer packages, but you have to be really at ease with the way debian works in case of problems
17:44.05phenomhttps://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst
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17:44.51phenomnetinstall image links have been down for 2 days
17:45.11annadanebecause they're getting ready to upload 9.5
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17:46.19j4sshey guys
17:46.19j4ssi used ps and i saw ./script running, how i can find where this script was salved
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17:47.19phenomannadane, Two days down seems like a long time to be down pending this change.
17:47.26j4ssroot     31068  0.0  0.0   9188  1348 pts/2    S+   14:30   0:00 /bin/bash ./script
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17:48.35annadanewell they're literally doing it right now so wait
17:48.54annadaneyou can still get the images if you replace 9.4 with 9.5 in the url
17:49.43phenomannadane, Right on,, thank you.
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18:10.35rantthe 9.5 images have been there for awhile now. just didnt update the links.. which I reported to d-w@l.d.o yesterday
18:10.56annadaneyou can get the *images*, just not the checksums, i think
18:11.06rantfwiw you could also replace current with 9.4.0
18:11.07annadaneso if you're interested in that kind of stuff (which you should be)...
18:12.04annadaneanyway it'll definitely be there today
18:12.13j4ssp0lyph3m but /proc/31068/cwd It's not the real directory
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18:12.27j4ssp0lyph3m how i can find real directory
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18:22.09annadanephenom, it's up now
18:22.14annadaneenjoy your 9.5, everyone
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18:25.29rantI downloaded it last night, just haven't made the install media yet
18:26.55annadaneyeah i downloaded it too but the link wouldn't give you access to the signatures and stuff
18:27.00annadaneso i'm re-downloading it
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18:29.36rantI downloaded it because I'm actually planning a fresh install today, not cause there is a new iso.. :P
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18:44.19zerocoolannadane: weren't you in #debian-next with me yesterday?
18:44.47annadanequite possibly
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18:45.35zerocooli was running around trying to figure out a problem where basically i cannot get a package in stable repos but i can in testing... there was talk about backporting and compatibility in that channel
18:46.32zerocooli pulled the source and tried to build in debian stretch but it would not, i thought they were saying it would be possible to build this in stretch because dependencies were satisfied
18:47.09annadanewell, what's the package, maybe if you post the output to paste.debian.net we can help
18:47.18zerocoolis there a way i can check this myself without looking at every package, you know, does anyone know how to check if a package from another repo will build in another?
18:47.33zerocooli think it was libvirt-daemon
18:47.40zerocool99% sure
18:47.49zerocoolelse libvirt or libvirtd
18:48.04annadanejudd, checkbackport libvirt-daemon --fromrelease buster --torelease stretch
18:48.05juddBackporting package libvirt-daemon in buster→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, archignore.
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18:48.21zerocoolyhes that!
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18:48.33annadaneso it "should" work
18:48.50annadaneif it doesn't maybe we can diagnose
18:49.16zerocoolhmm... okay i will try to build and see again
18:49.45annadanei think i may also have suggested it from sid, not sure if different versions
18:49.50annadanejudd, checkbackport libvirt-daemon --fromrelease sid --torelease stretch
18:49.51juddBackporting package libvirt-daemon in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, archignore.
18:52.05annadanethe tar has a README which contains some instructions on building
18:52.18annadanehowever, please don't make install with root
18:52.25zerocoolannadane: because i don't do this all the time, i download the tar from https://packages.debian.org/buster/libvirt-daemon
18:52.34zerocoolthis is what i did yesterday
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18:55.13annadaneor rather, you apparently have to use make as root, but just choose a directory for it
18:55.38zerocoolalso do i get the "libvirt_4.3.0-1.debian.tar.xz" or the non-debian one
18:55.38annadanesomewhere where it's not going to interfere with the usual debian package operations
18:56.06annadaneno you want the non-debian
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18:58.18zerocoolk thank you annadane
18:59.11annadaneyou can/should compile it as non-root but make install with root
18:59.18annadanesorry about that
18:59.42zerocoolunderstood, im reading configure help because idk how to set locations, its in here somewhere :)
19:00.01zerocoolmaybe --bindir=
19:00.02biteswhat are you making? i thought you were backporting a debian package.
19:00.20zerocoolis backporting just taking the binary?
19:00.25zerocoolpre-compiled
19:00.36bitesusually you would run ./configure --prefix=/somedir  if it was created with gnu autotools.
19:01.06bitesbackporting is taking the debian package from unstable or testing and compiling it on stable.
19:01.32zerocoolbites: that's what i am doing
19:01.43bitesso what's the talk about make and configure?
19:02.16zerocoolisn't configure and make part of compile
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19:03.03bitesindirectly for debian packages. you don't do it by hand.
19:03.46zerocoolhttps://packages.debian.org/buster/libvirt-daemon-driver-storage-gluster
19:03.49bitesgimme a second, trying to find the factorial.
19:03.57zerocooli need that installed on stable
19:04.02zerocoolso whatever makes that happen
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19:04.31zerocooli would rather it be in the stable repos so i don't have to do anything special but it's not for... some unknown reason
19:04.32bites!ssb
19:04.32dpkgFirst, check for a backport on <debian-backports>.  If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.  To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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19:05.01bites^ zerocool   that's how you backport a debian package easily.
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19:05.25bites,checkbackport libvirt-daemon-driver-storage-gluster
19:05.26juddBackporting package libvirt-daemon-driver-storage-gluster in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, archignore.
19:05.43annadaneoh. right. yeah. that thing.
19:05.57annadanei've only posted it like a million other times before and now don't remember my own advice
19:06.07zerocoollol
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19:09.02zerocoolokay so this package is available not in backports but buster, i instructions say add sid, i can just copy my deb-src for stretch and replace with buster, yeah?
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19:09.37zerocoolfor instance `deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian buster main`
19:09.38bitesyes
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19:11.47zerocoolokay i have another question... i installed buster straight up to make sure that this would work and i installed libvirt-daemon... i still could not mount gluster so then i tried also installing libvirt-daemon-driver-storage-gluster and it worked
19:12.04zerocoolthe latter package says it's build from the newer libvirt
19:12.31zerocoolso i cannot use libvirt-daemon 3, and then pull the newer libvirt-daemon-driver-storage-gluster...
19:12.56zerocooli have to use libvirt-daemon 4.3?
19:13.20bitesmaybe. i don't know.
19:13.27zerocoolfair enough :)
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19:14.22zerocooland in those instructions where is says to use aptitude can i use apt-get
19:14.42bitesyep
19:14.42annadanethink so
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19:20.11zerocoolhttps://pastebin.com/ZGVJTRsS
19:20.37zerocool.... could not be accessed by user _apt...
19:20.53annadane!pastebin.com
19:20.53dpkgpastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads.  Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/
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19:21.50zerocoolhttp://paste.debian.net/1033819/
19:21.55zerocooldoes that work?
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19:22.54zerocooloh it's a lot of missing packages i think
19:23.09zerocool`dpkg-checkbuilddeps: error: Unmet build dependencies:`
19:23.32bitesyou did run apt-get build-dep libvirt  before that, right?
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19:24.36zerocoolbites: i only read about 90% of my instructions so that must have been in the 10%
19:25.03zerocoolalso i took it as if you have aptitude do this if you use apt-get use this
19:25.19zerocoolbecause instructions are mixing two... similar tools?
19:25.28bitesyou can replace aptitude with apt-get in the instructions.
19:26.07zerocoolbites: its at least further now than it was before :)
19:26.18zerocoolthank you for your help and patience
19:26.23zerocoolbites: and annadane
19:26.32annadaneyeah i really didn't help like at all
19:26.33zerocooland dpkg
19:26.35annadanebut you're welcome
19:26.37annadanedpkg is a bot
19:26.37dpkgi haven't a clue, annadane
19:26.37zerocool:P
19:26.40zerocooli know
19:26.47annadane(and still more helpful than i am)
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19:27.25zerocoolits making so many words on my terminal i think it's going to overload
19:27.39bitesthat's a good sign. ^^
19:27.49annadanewelcome to the world of verbose compile messages
19:28.19zerocoolim finally a hacker hold on while i write home to momma
19:28.45bitesthat's how they catch you.
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19:33.13zerocoolalright, after one hour
19:33.16zerocoolhttp://paste.debian.net/1033822/
19:33.31zerocoolmissing libvirt-wireshark, and yeah this is after that build-dep
19:33.53zerocoolim guessing
19:35.11biteshmm... libvirt-wireshark ist part of the same source package, it's not a dependency.
19:36.10bitesweird. i wonder if it even builds on buster.
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19:37.21biteszerocool: what happens if you just install wireshark?
19:37.41zerocoolbites: im installing it like i im trying to install the newer libvirt
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19:38.29bitesinstall the package from stretch first if you havn't already.
19:39.01bitesalso libwireshark-dev for good measure.
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19:39.21zerocoolapt-cache search libvirt-wireshark has nothing
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19:39.51bitesbecause that's one of the binary packages you are trying to build.
19:39.55zerocooland `libwireshark-dev is already the newest version`
19:40.28bitesjust wireshark for now.
19:41.22zerocoolkk installed wireshark, now retry build libvirt-daemon?
19:42.07bitesyes.
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19:45.23zerocooldang, same.
19:49.05NCS_Onea badlocks on a 500 GB hdd can take how much time?
19:49.35NCS_Onebadblocks
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19:55.23biteszerocool: gimme a second.
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20:01.26zerocoolbites: yeah for sure
20:01.47zerocoolwhen trying to build libvirt-wireshark i get this http://paste.debian.net/1033826/
20:02.02zerocoolhttps://packages.debian.org/source/buster/libvirt
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20:02.40bitesit's in the same source package, you can't build it separately.
20:03.04biteslibvirt is what you build. and it creates all the binary packages in your second link.
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20:03.49zerocoolthat's what i thought, but when we ask that backport bot here we are asking specifically for libvirt-daemon...
20:04.05bitesthe bot still checks the source package.
20:04.13zerocoolhmm, okay.
20:05.16ChmEarlzerocool, I know this error, in your chroot, before you build modify wireshark.pc: sed -e 's|\/\/usr||' /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/pkgconfig/wireshark.pc
20:05.43ChmEarl^^ modify only the chroot version
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20:07.00zerocoolhow do i in my chroot
20:07.27ChmEarlor cd debian/tmp/usr/usr/lib; mv x86_64-linux-gnu ../../lib
20:07.51ChmEarlthen: fakeroot debian/rules binary  (to finish dh_install)
20:08.19ChmEarl^ puts the wireshark plugins in the right place
20:09.27ChmEarlpkg-config --variable plugindir wireshark
20:13.01zerocoolahhh...
20:13.15zerocool`sudo fakeroot debian/rules binary`
20:13.38zerocooldebian/rules:154: recipe for target 'binary' failed
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20:14.13ChmEarlneed to comment out one line about apparmor
20:14.14zerocoolmaybe i am taking "binary" too literally?
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20:14.35annadaneYes. No.
20:14.54ChmEarlzerocool, I had same error as you + one more
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20:15.08zerocoolChmEarl: i actually had 2 errors as well
20:15.56ChmEarlzerocool, you are practically finished
20:16.11zerocoolcomment out "WITH_APPARMOR"?
20:16.22ChmEarlany error in dh_install are silly path errors
20:16.31ChmEarl^^ let me find the apparmor line, wait
20:16.52zerocoolthanks!
20:17.31ChmEarlin d/rules, comment out: rm debian/libvirt-daemon-system/etc/apparmor.d/local/*
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20:19.09ChmEarlbefore you build again, paste this: pkg-config --variable plugindir wireshark
20:20.49zerocoolim suppose to 'sudo fakeroot debian/rules binary' before, right?
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20:22.40ChmEarlzerocool, thats if your debian/tmp is populated and fixed
20:23.24ChmEarlfakeroot debian/rules binary  <-- desparate attempt to salvage a build after an error in dh_install
20:23.24zerocoolChmEarl: it's populated with etc/ usr/ var/
20:23.41zerocooloh
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20:25.03ChmEarlzerocool, best bet is to fix wireshark.pc, comment out the line in d/rules, then build again as before
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20:26.14ChmEarlzerocool: (2nd attempt) modify wireshark.pc: sed -e 's|\/\/usr||' /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/pkgconfig/wireshark.pc
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20:28.39ChmEarlzerocool, if that sed command works, use `sed -i -e <same>`
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20:30.28zerocoolthis wireshark.pc is somewhere under /opt/libvirt-4.3.0/ ?
20:31.51zerocoollol nevermind
20:32.21zerocool$ pkg-config --variable plugindir wireshark
20:32.22zerocool/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/wireshark/plugins/2.2.6
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20:36.52Sokominehi. i'm fighting with getting a new disk to properly boot my (now encrypted) root file system. grub2 eventually cooperated long enough so that the passphrase is asked for. entering the right or wrong version can be distinguished by either the background image in grubs menu appearing or not
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20:37.05ChmEarlzerocool, thats it, you fixed it
20:37.48Sokominetrouble is...booting a kernel does not seem to work. the initrd complains that a device with the given UUID does not exist (it ought to - grub just read its menu texture from there!) and gives up, leaving me at the busybox prompt
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20:38.46zerocoolChmEarl: http://paste.debian.net/1033832/
20:38.59zerocooli think i messed it up, should i start over
20:39.47zerocoolim going to kill the datas and start over
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20:44.40ChmEarlzerocool, wait, you need to edit on file in d/
20:44.45ChmEarlone file
20:45.18ChmEarldebian/libvirt-daemon-system.examples <-- comment out all 3 lines
20:45.46ChmEarlsorry, forgot about that one zerocool
20:46.28zerocoolwatch tomorrow the package i need is released to stable -_-
20:47.11Sokomineany ideas where i might look at to get further in the boot process? the initrd fails to see the root partion...
20:48.03zerocoolSokomine: i feel like i have been where you are...
20:48.14zerocoolcan you use the classic /dev in place?
20:48.20zerocoolin grub
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20:53.11Sokominezerocool: tried to check with ls /dev/sda* but didn't get any further there
20:53.36lessthan0I always ls /dev
20:53.45zerocool^
20:53.46lessthan0so I can see everything
20:53.54lessthan0don't want to rely on *
20:54.19zerocoollsblk depending on what you have, if it's just busybox i don't think you have anything like that but blkid, which might work too actually
20:54.26lessthan0zerocool you are one level above me ;)
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20:54.44lessthan0fdisk -l
20:54.51lessthan0works on busybox
20:55.11Sokominesda2 didn't show up there. besides, once the crypted fs from there is mounted, it'll get another name. the uuid wasn't visible
20:55.49lessthan0I am in #debian and #debian-offtopic are there any more rooms?
20:55.51Sokominesadly, fdisk -l didn't provide any helpful information. perhaps i broke my initrd? how can i best rebuild it?
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20:56.03zerocoolSokomine: yeah i was thinking when i had this issue it was with an encrpyted volume after a dist-upgrade from jessie to stretch
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20:56.17zerocoolit was once and it was a while ago but that machine is still running so... there is  away
20:56.17Sokomineblkid didn't list any devices, strangely enough
20:56.39lessthan0I never worked with encrypted disks in linux I can't help you there
20:56.46annadanenot really lessthan0, most of the debian channels are on oftc
20:57.03Sokomineyes :-) trouble is: what is the way? and there's a huge risk of forgetting it due to setting it up so rarely and so seldom having to boot
20:57.03lessthan0yeah I am on OFTC
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20:57.42lessthan01585 people (or bots) here and 577 there
20:58.17zerocoolim a bot
20:58.23lessthan0haha
20:58.39zerocoolChmEarl: okay i think... everything is setup like it should be and i am giving it another go
20:59.03zerocoolthanks again for your help, this is unfamilair territory for me
20:59.31Sokominezerocool: do you happen to know how to set grub2 to offer the right keyboard driver? entering the passphrase with the wrong keyboard layout led to several failed attempts first. took me a while until i got it right
20:59.45lessthan0I need some help
21:00.00lessthan0I can probably figure it out but wanted to ask to be sure
21:00.14lessthan0I created a new LV and did mkfs
21:00.25lessthan0I rebooted
21:00.33lessthan0I want to see if it automounted
21:00.48lessthan0and if not I want to set a persistent mount point
21:00.48ChmEarlzerocool, when done, can you pastebin *amd64.buildinfo please? I want to see qemu and libxen* versions
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21:01.17zerocoolChmEarl: if it succeeds, fails, or either?
21:01.20lessthan0should I check /etc/mtab?
21:01.48ChmEarlzerocool, if it succeeds, yeah, you know it will :)
21:02.00zerocooldont get me so excited
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21:02.37zerocool:O i have reached a new phase
21:02.59zerocoolthe many "warning" territory
21:03.22lessthan0is mount -l depreciated?
21:04.39lessthan0or findmnt?
21:04.46Sokomineupdate-initramfs  did some work and mentionned crypto related modules. perhaps it will work now. i'll give it a try
21:05.01lessthan0should I just add what I want to /etc/fstab?
21:05.19zerocoolChmEarl: http://paste.debian.net/1033836/
21:05.21zerocool:D
21:06.03ChmEarlzerocool, thanks, looks great
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21:06.53ChmEarlzerocool, qemu-2.8 and libxen-4.8, check, thats expected
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21:08.47lessthan0vi does not parse the tab spacing correctly for vi /etc/fstab
21:09.22lessthan0I know this is probably only visual but I want to make sure I input the correct tab spacing when I make a new entry
21:10.47zerocoolChmEarl: so this kind of goes along with a question i had earlier... i really only need libvirt-daemon-driver-storage-gluster, which is built from libvirt-4.3.0, the source we have been working with
21:11.17zerocoolcan i use libvirt 3 which is provided by stable repos and only install this one component from source as we just did?
21:11.56zerocoollibvirt-daemon-drivers-storage-gluster
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21:15.52zerocooloh well nevermind i got my answer
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21:38.25superslackerI have asked in gnome as well, but I was wondering if anyone here cant tell me how I can lock an app to a window using Stretch and Gnome 3.22.2?
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22:01.22zerocoolomg dude this is a nightmare
22:01.45zerocoollooks like im going to have to use centos
22:02.21annadanewe are no longer friends
22:02.34annadanesuperslacker, not an extension for it? sorry, no clue about gnome stuff
22:02.40zerocooli want to be your friend though
22:02.43zerocooli dont want centos
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22:06.27superslackerannadane, I will take another look, seems like there was for older versions of gnome (<3.14)
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22:08.01annadaneknows nothing about centos other than "old packages"
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22:15.48Sokominesadly no success yet with booting my encrypted system. not even after doing a chroot, installing a new kernel and letting debian do all the work. the initrd system does not detect the encrypted partition
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22:27.13zerocoolannadane: its true but then why can't i have `libvirt-daemon-driver-storage-gluster`!!
22:28.07zerocooloh well, i think i found another and maybe better solution anyway... using nfs-ganesha as an nfs gateway to the glusterfs volumes
22:28.48zerocoolnfs-ganesha *is* available from stable repos :)
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22:28.52almostdvszerocool: what are you trying to do?
22:29.25zerocoolalmostdvs: i have three kvm/libvirt hypervisors and one active nas, i need the nas which holds the vm disks to be replicated
22:30.07zerocooldecided to give gluster, replicated volumes, a go... found gluster volume support in libvirt but only in testing/sid
22:30.40dvsalmostdvs, you'll never catch up!!! :-)
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22:38.59michael2does anyone know how to use msmtp?
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22:40.39almostdvsi don't really understand gluster. what is it zerocool
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22:43.42superslackerannadane, it seems I can use devilspie2 to do this (included in Debian Stretch repo)
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22:46.57michael2how can I list the loaded "accounts" in msmtp?
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22:59.29zerocoolalmostdvs: it's for like... clustering storage. you can replicate data to a cluster or distribute data across a cluster evenly, or stripe it
23:00.14zerocoolkinda like RAID but instaid of disks it's servers... "redundent array of inexpensive" NAS's
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23:00.19zerocoolinstead*
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23:25.41acuhello guys - I am trying to connect to a windows machine RDP - and I get kicked out after a split second- tried remmina and others, - is any tutorial about that ?
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23:31.21Akuwhi how can i run X11 remote
23:31.30Akuwi configured ssd_conf
23:31.45Akuwbut i got Can't open display
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23:34.52klysakuw, ps waux | grep X and make sure the Xorg command line has -listen tcp
23:35.32klysakuw, and if it doesn't, edit /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc
23:35.56klysakuw, and if it does, use DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0 xhost +
23:36.27klysakuw, and then it should work if you specify the right DISPLAY
23:36.43BrigoAkuw, connect with ssh -X
23:36.50klysakuw, if not, you may need an entry for your remote ip in /etc/hosts.allow
23:36.52Akuwwait please
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23:39.18Akuwto start x11 from remote x11 should be running in server, i mean GUI should be running?
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23:40.18BrigoAkuw, yes
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23:47.08RoyKklys: no need to xhost + if you're using ssh
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23:48.50RoyKklys: and btw, hosts.allow etc are long gone for most systems
23:50.17RoyKklys: tcpwrappers went out of style some 10 years ago - some still use them, though
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