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| 00:28.54 | T_Karras | anybody here who can help me with something? |
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| 00:30.12 | abrotman | T_Karras: just ask |
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| 00:31.08 | T_Karras | well I'm trying to create a system using OpenVPN where I can access my files and email server. So far I'm able to recieve emails and access my webserver but I can't send out emails because of something relating to openvpn or iptables. |
| 00:31.16 | T_Karras | I tried asking in #openvpn and nobody has answered thus far. |
| 00:31.58 | T_Karras | all I get is GET INST BY VIRT: [failed] whenever I go a traceroute -T with an external IP. |
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| 00:33.07 | T_Karras | is there anything I can do like redirecting TCP SYN through iptables or do I have to wait around in #openvpn abrotman? |
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| 00:36.25 | petn-randall | !crosspost |
| 00:36.34 | petn-randall | Hmm, dpkg died. |
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| 00:37.53 | petn-randall | T_Karras: In general it's seen as impolite to ask the same question in several channels, because you'll be wasting everyone's time who'll respond after you get a response in the other channel. It's good to wait an hour (or more, depending on the size of the channel) before asking somewhere else. |
| 00:38.09 | T_Karras | I did wait a long time. |
| 00:38.12 | T_Karras | more than an hour. |
| 00:38.22 | petn-randall | T_Karras: That being said, if you provided the same info as in the other channel, you need to add a lot more details for anyone to be able to look into your issue. |
| 00:38.34 | T_Karras | such as? |
| 00:39.47 | T_Karras | iptables is not enabled and I'm running the mail and webserver on an OpenVPN client server. |
| 00:40.08 | T_Karras | That's where I'm having the problem... OpenVPN Server is running Debian 7, my server is running Debian 9. |
| 00:40.21 | petn-randall | T_Karras: How you set up the openvpn server (config file), if you could connect successfully with the client, and how you want to reach whatever network is behind the openvpn server. |
| 00:40.57 | T_Karras | hold on... |
| 00:41.11 | petn-randall | I have to head off to bed now, though. I'm sure someone in the channel can help you in here. If not - the channel is a lot busier during EU/US business hours. I'll be back then. |
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| 00:41.24 | T_Karras | okay... I'll be here. |
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| 00:44.11 | T_Karras | config file: https://pastebin.com/8awdLBaa, client is able to connect and I already used NAT FORWARDING to access the server. |
| 00:44.29 | T_Karras | in addition, I can't use apt-get while OpenVPN is active on my client server. |
| 00:44.41 | michael2 | hi all. If my / filetree is mounted onto a LVM based FDE filesystem, as per here: |
| 00:44.43 | michael2 | https://dpaste.de/KYos/raw |
| 00:46.39 | michael2 | which virtual partition should I treat as being equivalent to the non-ecrypted /dev/sda2 type scheme? |
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| 01:11.23 | zentris | Hey does anyone know, who is in charge of wiki.debian.org? I can't register due to "Account creation failed: To prevent spam" |
| 01:11.37 | zentris | I've emailed wiki@debian.org already |
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| 02:03.20 | jak2000 | *check |
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| 02:14.21 | RoyK | jak2000: ss -ntlp or netstat -lnp |
| 02:14.31 | jgkamat | hi, I'm getting the nvidia held back error that kion was getting a while back, but if I dist-upgrade a bunch of packages are getting removed (such as qt and steam). Does anyone have any suggestions on what I can investigate? |
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| 02:14.59 | jgkamat | http://paste.debian.net/1034012/ |
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| 02:22.20 | pingfloyd | jgkamat: what's the problem? |
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| 02:22.49 | pingfloyd | dist-upgrade wanting to remove packages you want to keep? |
| 02:22.53 | jgkamat | pingfloyd: I want to keep my system updated but I don't want to remove qt |
| 02:22.54 | jgkamat | yes |
| 02:23.09 | pingfloyd | just qt you want to keep? |
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| 02:23.28 | jgkamat | no, there's other things as well. Ideally I'd like to find out why it's requesting removals in the first place |
| 02:23.31 | pingfloyd | for the automatic removals, that requires setting what you want to keep as manual, or have some package installed that depends on it. |
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| 02:24.08 | pingfloyd | is this upgrade from one release to another, or dist-upgrade within your current running release? |
| 02:24.35 | jgkamat | this started happening on the 9.5 release, I did a partial upgrade (apt upgrade, not dist-upgrade) to 9.5 though |
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| 02:25.09 | jgkamat | I'm guessing it has something to do with the nvidia driver updates in 9.5 |
| 02:26.34 | pingfloyd | could be |
| 02:26.57 | pingfloyd | what I do with these sorts of situations is use synaptic or aptitude's TUI. |
| 02:27.42 | pingfloyd | and make sure everything I want to keep is marked manual, while everything I don't want or care as auto. Then I let autoremove sort it out. |
| 02:28.29 | pingfloyd | jgkamat: which DE do you use? |
| 02:30.04 | pingfloyd | jgkamat: one thing that will be helpful too is using apt-cache rdepends <package you don't want removed> to see if any other packages are keeping it on the system. |
| 02:30.28 | pingfloyd | also apt-rdepends is handy if you want to see reverse or forward dependencies recursively |
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| 02:32.33 | jgkamat | pingfloyd: I use bspwm. I think there's something really wrong though since it's also removing a bunch of nvidia stuff. "sudo apt-cache rdepends qtwebengine5-dev" dosen't give me anything (that's one of the incorrectly removed packages). I think I installed it manually. |
| 02:33.03 | jgkamat | er, my DE is KDE, I think |
| 02:33.40 | csmall | Hi all. |
| 02:34.02 | pingfloyd | jgkamat: do you have it currently installed? |
| 02:34.22 | pingfloyd | (dpkg -l "kde*") |
| 02:35.30 | halvors | I'm trying to build systemd from source using the buster weekly snapshot. But the build fails with some tests that fails, anyone know how to fix this? Should the https://salsa.debian.org/systemd-team/systemd/tree/master be compiling at this time? |
| 02:36.24 | jgkamat | er, actually it isn't kde, it's cinnamon (I have cinnamon-core installed) |
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| 02:36.52 | jgkamat | pingfloyd: I don't think I actually use a DE regularly, but I don't think that matters in this case, does it |
| 02:36.58 | pingfloyd | jgkamat: what's apt-mark showmanual | grep cinnamon show |
| 02:37.31 | pingfloyd | jgkamat: well, a qt based de will bring in the qt dependencies |
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| 02:38.13 | jgkamat | I manually installed qt (qtwebengine5-dev is under showmanual). cinnamon, cinnamon-core, task-cinnamon-desktop are under the cinnamon grep (minus show) |
| 02:39.00 | jgkamat | (as is steam) |
| 02:39.21 | pingfloyd | is cinnamon marked manual? |
| 02:39.52 | jgkamat | yes |
| 02:40.03 | pingfloyd | I was afraid of that |
| 02:40.18 | pingfloyd | I think there's a conflict with the packages there and the ones it want's to upgrade |
| 02:40.18 | un214 | there is a way to unmanual a package is there not? |
| 02:40.33 | pingfloyd | un214: we want cinnamon to be manual |
| 02:40.48 | pingfloyd | if it were an auto, we could probably fix the issue somewhat by marking it manual |
| 02:41.16 | un214 | ah I guess I wasn't quite following; thought the manual caused a package conflict |
| 02:41.35 | csmall | Is there a package I can install that will auto mount usb sticks when they are plugged in? |
| 02:41.38 | pingfloyd | un214: he's having a problem with dist-upgrade wanting to remove packages he wants to keep |
| 02:41.39 | jgkamat | I mean, I'm not too fussed about loosing cinnamon, but I don't want to loose the graphics driver packages (I think there's some conflict and if I upgrade I'll probably loose graphics) |
| 02:41.50 | razer2 | pingfloyd, For some reason cinnamon seemed slock to respond to me when clicking. |
| 02:42.22 | pingfloyd | jgkamat: right, but package dependency snafus usually come down to marking a few key packages as manual (when everything is running normal). |
| 02:43.08 | pingfloyd | jgkamat: alternatively, you could just mark everything you want as manual instead of letting another package keep it installed to satisfy a dependency (auto). |
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| 02:43.20 | pingfloyd | but that is kind of messy |
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| 02:44.52 | pingfloyd | jgkamat: what you might do is use aptitude (gui mode) and try the dist-upgrade there, then you can play with the packages and/or choose between a few dependency resolutions. |
| 02:45.34 | pingfloyd | play with, as in experiment with marking them auto/manual and/or removing a package and see what other packages it affects for removal. |
| 02:45.44 | un214 | the way I solve that problem is let dist-upgrade remove it, then install it directly |
| 02:46.07 | un214 | the only case I recall where that was problematic was blocking systemd-sysv |
| 02:46.09 | jak2000 | RoyK: https://paste.debian.net/1034013/ |
| 02:46.19 | pingfloyd | that's not a bad idea as it may be the quicker and cleaner fix when all is done. |
| 02:46.29 | jgkamat | pingfloyd: ah, aptitude was able to find the issue, I think I have conflicting packages installed. I have 'libgldispatch0-nvidia' installed which isn't in the repos, I'm guessing it was removed or it came from a ppa -_- |
| 02:46.32 | pingfloyd | only thing to watch with that approach is that it doesn't remove anything critical |
| 02:46.47 | pingfloyd | such apt for example. |
| 02:46.58 | pingfloyd | no package manager on the system create a catch 22 |
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| 02:47.32 | pingfloyd | jgkamat: right on! (my hunch was right). |
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| 02:47.51 | un214 | I think apt won't remove itself unless you tell it to |
| 02:47.52 | pingfloyd | jgkamat: I'd stay away from PPAs |
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| 02:48.06 | pingfloyd | jgkamat: for the same reason I'd stay away from AUR with arch |
| 02:48.33 | pingfloyd | un214: also got to watch what apt depends as well |
| 02:48.35 | jgkamat | yah, I feel like this didn't come from one though, I only have the git-lfs one enabled (which I probably should get rid of). I'll look around and find out where it was from :P |
| 02:48.51 | jgkamat | google seems to think it was in the repos at some point judging by the results though |
| 02:48.52 | pingfloyd | missing or broken apt/aptitude/synaptic pretty much paints you into a corner |
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| 02:49.12 | un214 | nah; download apt.dpkg and dpkg install it |
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| 02:49.27 | un214 | now if you broke dpkg you're in trouble but all its deps are marked critical |
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| 02:52.33 | jak2000 | RoyK: https://paste.debian.net/1034016/ |
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| 04:01.27 | dodobrain | then you have a rule to block requests on that port |
| 04:01.39 | dodobrain | iptables -L will list your current rules |
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| 05:28.25 | addkt | anyone on here a web developer that wouldn't mind helping a new fella out? |
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| 05:41.43 | rant | addkt: you need to just ask your question and if its offtopic or no one speaks up to help, we could at least perhaps point you somewhere you can get help |
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| 05:43.24 | rant | addkt: garnering interest of volunteer support works best when you ask a question that sparks interest.. asking if you can get help kinda says, this will probably waste more of my time than I am willing to spend |
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| 05:52.50 | addkt | rant, Alright. How about, Can you point me in the direction towards a great tutorial? That's what I meant to say. I don't need to waste a bunch of your time. I'm just trying to learn and some of the websites I'm reading are outdated and aren't getting to the point I want. |
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| 05:54.20 | rant | addkt: you're still being too vague for anyone to help you.. the kinda web design I learned was back in the .com boom era.. basic html, javascript, css stuff.. these days there are so many webdev platforms |
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| 05:54.50 | addkt | rant, PHP and MySQL specifically. |
| 05:54.58 | rant | pukes |
| 05:55.25 | rant | have you considered hanging out in a PHP channel if php dev is something you want to do? |
| 05:55.44 | addkt | why would you puke? |
| 05:55.53 | rant | I often spend time in #bash or #python as I code in those languages a lot and you learn things there |
| 05:56.03 | addkt | Python is great. I just know basics. |
| 05:56.15 | rant | I am not a huge fan of markup and php is just gross to me |
| 05:56.42 | rant | I'd rather code in javascript than php any day |
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| 05:56.47 | addkt | Well, for what I'm going for. I know a little bit of bash, a little python. Nothing to create something substantial, which I wish I could. |
| 05:56.59 | rant | and when I've done LAMP stuff I used Python as my 'P' |
| 05:57.03 | addkt | javascript isn't server however. |
| 05:57.13 | rant | you're kidding right? |
| 05:57.24 | addkt | Umm, educate me if you choose to? lol |
| 05:57.35 | rant | that may have been the case when I was learning and using it in the 90s |
| 05:57.55 | rant | javascript is now everywhere, on and off the web and on both sides |
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| 05:59.05 | rant | ,i nodejs |
| 05:59.06 | judd | Package nodejs (web, extra) in stretch/amd64: evented I/O for V8 javascript. Version: 4.8.2~dfsg-1; Size: 3359.4k; Installed: 13928k; Homepage: http://nodejs.org/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/nodejs |
| 05:59.22 | rant | that is javascript for server side application development |
| 05:59.39 | rant | then there is stuff like AJAX that has been around a long time |
| 06:00.07 | rant | and python and similar languages can do it all.. code the server and everything in it |
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| 06:01.36 | rant | the hardest part of development today is all the choices.. even if you chose python for example you have kline, twisted, flask, drupal.. etc..etc |
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| 06:02.02 | rant | you just gotta figure out what feels right to you and best suits the SPECIFIC task at hand |
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| 06:02.34 | addkt | well, repetition. It doesn't seem like NodeJS can perform repetitive tasks like PHP can. |
| 06:02.59 | rant | that may be so.. I am not savvy in either so I can't comment on that |
| 06:04.23 | rant | you will find some webdevs here, but probably most active in about 4hours or more.. but you'd probably be better off in a speciic programming channel or general web dev channel, as this channel is scoped to supporting technical issues with Debian stable |
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| 06:06.31 | addkt | rant, alright. I appreciate the input and I'll look around. Thank you. |
| 06:06.43 | rant | addkt: if you don't know, you can /msg alis help that bot can help you find channels, and you can also visit #freenode and ask for guidance finding a channel, but generally speaking get more to the point when you visit channels |
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| 07:13.04 | arunpyasi | ,i pytgon |
| 07:13.05 | judd | No package named 'pytgon' was found in stretch/amd64. |
| 07:13.08 | arunpyasi | ,i python |
| 07:13.09 | judd | Package python (python, standard) in stretch/amd64: interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version). Version: 2.7.13-2; Size: 150.2k; Installed: 648k; Homepage: http://www.python.org/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/python |
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| 07:43.40 | razer2 | Is synaptic supposed to be able to install a non-distro .deb package? It doesn't seem to work. I can use apt though. |
| 07:44.21 | Haohmaru | i've "installed" .deb files with this gdebi or something (forgot its name) |
| 07:44.30 | rant | synaptic or any other package manager is suppose to work with your repositories.. installing individual deb iles is for dpkg or gdebi |
| 07:44.33 | pingfloyd | yeah, gdebi |
| 07:44.38 | razer2 | gdebi is old I believe and should not be used anymore. I would use apt |
| 07:44.39 | pingfloyd | that's the right name |
| 07:44.39 | dodobrain | razer2, `dpkg -i foo.deb` |
| 07:44.55 | razer2 | no, I don't want to use dpkg or gdebi. I want it to be under the control of apt. |
| 07:45.04 | Haohmaru | hm, i used gdebi a few weeks ago :/ |
| 07:45.06 | razer2 | Nothing manual that can't be managed for removal etc. |
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| 07:45.15 | Haohmaru | it's "graphical" .. that's why |
| 07:45.26 | rant | razer2: you are very confused |
| 07:45.27 | dodobrain | razer2, if you install a random package from a .deb file how the heck is apt supposed to manage it in the future? |
| 07:45.29 | razer2 | synaptic has an option to install packages though. It just doesn't seem to work. |
| 07:45.54 | rant | dpkg IS the package manager.. no matter what you use, you're using dpkg |
| 07:45.54 | dpkg | rant: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 07:46.10 | dodobrain | pets dpkg |
| 07:46.22 | pingfloyd | haha |
| 07:46.26 | rant | shakes a rolled up newspaper at dpkg |
| 07:46.32 | razer2 | Yeah, but I believe if you bypass apt and use dpkg directly it prevents automated management and removal. |
| 07:46.48 | Haohmaru | razer2 synaptic is a visual/graphical program, but the important work is actually done using the commandline tools behind the scene |
| 07:46.51 | pingfloyd | razer2: it doesn't bring in dependencies automatically iirc |
| 07:46.52 | razer2 | rant, I can't remove using apt? |
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| 07:47.08 | dodobrain | razer2, how do you propose to install a .deb file using apt ? |
| 07:47.12 | razer2 | apt brings in dependances I believe. |
| 07:47.26 | rant | razer2: apt and all the other tools are just frontends.. if you install with gdebi or dpkg you can still remove with apt |
| 07:47.29 | razer2 | dodobrain, I did already. apt works. |
| 07:47.36 | rant | they all read the dpkg database |
| 07:48.08 | rant | it doesnt matter if you use dpkg, apt-get, apt, aptitude, synaptic, gdebi, fhahlieuhakha or whatever |
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| 07:48.28 | rant | dpkg is always going to be the package manager and anyhing else is going to use i |
| 07:48.28 | dpkg | rant: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request |
| 07:48.29 | dodobrain | whatever.. dpkg is the package manager as rant says |
| 07:48.39 | dodobrain | :D |
| 07:49.02 | rant | dpkg, yinzersmite dpkg |
| 07:49.02 | dpkg | pooshes dpkg aht da winda an yells "chawt dahnere". |
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| 07:49.53 | Haohmaru | halp! one of my programs is chatting on IRC and acting weird |
| 07:49.57 | razer2 | Ok, so I could tell dpkg to remove a non-distro package by name? |
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| 07:50.33 | rant | dpkg doesnt work that way |
| 07:50.34 | dpkg | no idea, rant |
| 07:50.46 | rant | omfg you stupid bot |
| 07:51.30 | rant | the package manager dpkg works on the deb files itself, only the frontends work on the package names |
| 07:51.58 | razer2 | Ok, well I could just use apt to install and uninstall then. |
| 07:52.17 | rant | but anything you install from anywhere with anyhing will all work with he other stuff as far as any given program's features allow |
| 07:52.37 | razer2 | Synaptic has an option File -> Add Downloaded Pakcages. Which doesn't seem to work. |
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| 07:53.07 | rant | idk most everyone uses gdebi for this or dpkg directly if they want command line |
| 07:53.23 | rant | gdebi will resolve package dependencies and has a GUI |
| 07:53.24 | Haohmaru | well, i *did* manage to install a .deb package with gdebi |
| 07:53.40 | razer2 | And apt will resolve dependances too right? |
| 07:53.43 | Haohmaru | it was a bit non-smooth but not uber broken either |
| 07:53.45 | pingfloyd | I use either dpkg -i <pkg> && apt-get install -f |
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| 07:53.53 | pingfloyd | or gdebi |
| 07:54.07 | razer2 | I just did "sudo apt install path/packagename.deb |
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| 07:54.15 | Haohmaru | sudo? |
| 07:54.20 | pingfloyd | apt-get install -f is how you satisfy the local pkg's dependencies |
| 07:54.26 | Haohmaru | wut is this, ubuntu? |
| 07:54.30 | pingfloyd | if you use gdebi |
| 07:54.38 | annadane | slams head against desk |
| 07:54.42 | razer2 | No, this is Debian. |
| 07:54.54 | pingfloyd | Haohmaru: you realize that debian has sudo as an option to. In the installer even. |
| 07:55.05 | rant | sudo is not an ubuntu thing it predates both ubuntu and debian |
| 07:55.06 | Haohmaru | haven't seen it |
| 07:55.20 | pingfloyd | Haohmaru: it's in the repo |
| 07:55.23 | Haohmaru | i know, but it tends to not be available by default |
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| 07:55.33 | razer2 | You have to install sudo on Debian (if you specify a password during install) I believe. |
| 07:55.46 | pingfloyd | or choose to use in the installer |
| 07:56.01 | rant | Haohmaru: if you dont set a root password in the installer, it adds sudo and configures it for root access |
| 07:56.03 | razer2 | I don't see an option in the isntall to install it. |
| 07:56.11 | razer2 | rant, right |
| 07:56.31 | rant | otherwise you must install it because its optional |
| 07:56.33 | rant | ,i sudo |
| 07:56.34 | judd | Package sudo (admin, optional) in stretch/amd64: Provide limited super user privileges to specific users. Version: 1.8.19p1-2.1; Size: 1030.1k; Installed: 3035k; Homepage: http://www.sudo.ws/ |
| 07:56.40 | razer2 | Oh, well if apt can do everything, then I might as well just use one program. |
| 07:56.44 | pingfloyd | I use sudo mostly, but sometimes I use su |
| 07:56.58 | pingfloyd | what is wrong is 'sudo su' |
| 07:56.59 | Haohmaru | i've been told to use "su -l" |
| 07:57.29 | pingfloyd | Haohmaru: 'su -' isn't a bad idea. |
| 07:57.40 | Haohmaru | -l specifically |
| 07:57.47 | Haohmaru | don't know the difference *shrug* |
| 07:58.15 | rant | it is a difference in whether or not its a login shell, which changes which config files are read |
| 07:58.15 | pingfloyd | they're the same thing |
| 07:58.46 | pingfloyd | '-', '-l', and '--login' are all the same |
| 07:59.05 | pingfloyd | I'm just so used to using just - because of being less keystrokes |
| 08:00.15 | rant | pingfloyd: you don't supercalifragilisticexpialidocious="--login" && echo "$supercaliragilisticexpialidocious" | xargs su ? |
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| 08:00.57 | amosbird | hi, when do I need libc-dev ? |
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| 08:09.46 | rant | amosbird: when you're building something against libc |
| 08:10.05 | amosbird | hmm, does it provide header files like stdio ? |
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| 08:11.03 | Iridos | well, look yourself⦠install apt-file, run apt-file update, then apt-file show <packagename> |
| 08:12.26 | rant | amosbird: yes, typically one installs build-essential which is a metapackage pulling in make and other such tools |
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| 08:13.12 | rant | iirc libc-dev is also a metapackage |
| 08:13.18 | rant | ,i libc-dev |
| 08:13.19 | judd | No package named 'libc-dev' was found in stretch/amd64. |
| 08:13.53 | rant | in any case the actual package is libc6-dev |
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| 08:18.29 | Iridos | libc6-dev |
| 08:18.36 | Iridos | eh |
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| 08:22.21 | rustbuckett | also practice using 'apt search'. it accepts regex searches. apt search '^libc.-dev$' (or similar) might have been useful |
| 08:22.32 | rustbuckett | maybe. i don't know. i'm sleepy. |
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| 08:23.10 | Haohmaru | regex :~( |
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| 08:48.14 | apcabc | hi |
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| 08:54.51 | Mystic_Reverie | How to install an interactive fiction reader? I cant understand tar files and dependencies etc. |
| 08:54.54 | Mystic_Reverie | can someone help |
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| 08:55.58 | petn-randall | Mystic_Reverie: Is it a Debian package or where are you getting it from? |
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| 09:00.37 | Mystic_Reverie | pet, im game for using anything that works thanks |
| 09:00.46 | Mystic_Reverie | i cant work out how ot instal lanything eworkable |
| 09:01.37 | petn-randall | Mystic_Reverie: I don't yet know what piece of software you're talking about. Can you link me? |
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| 09:03.06 | Mystic_Reverie | glulxe |
| 09:03.20 | Mystic_Reverie | frotz |
| 09:03.23 | Mystic_Reverie | inform |
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| 09:03.34 | Mystic_Reverie | but i dont know what versions, i dont understand github etc |
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| 09:05.51 | bozza | hello, I rented a dedicated server and the hard disk paritions are kinda weird |
| 09:06.15 | babilen | judd: i gargoyle-free |
| 09:06.16 | judd | Package gargoyle-free (games, extra) in stretch/amd64: graphical player for Interactive Fiction games. Version: 2011.1b-1; Size: 1504.1k; Installed: 8339k; Homepage: http://ccxvii.net/gargoyle/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/gargoyle-free |
| 09:06.19 | babilen | Mystic_Reverie: ^ |
| 09:07.13 | bozza | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:07.23 | bozza | ^ I have two of those hard disks that are 2TB each |
| 09:07.30 | Mystic_Reverie | gargoyle wont ru nwell |
| 09:07.35 | Mystic_Reverie | no options to change font and colour, sorry |
| 09:08.09 | bozza | they have a "linux raid autodetect" partition that is 200GB |
| 09:08.10 | bozza | why? |
| 09:08.14 | babilen | Mystic_Reverie: Also look into frotz, jzip and others that come up when you run "apt-cache search text mode adventure" (and other search terms that come to mind) |
| 09:08.56 | babilen | Mystic_Reverie: You didn't even mention gargoyle before, which is why I pointed you to a program that is capable of dealing with the kind of data you want to work with |
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| 09:11.44 | Mystic_Reverie | gargolye works ewell, but it doesnt have any opotions and the text is too small |
| 09:11.59 | Mystic_Reverie | im sorry , i dont knwo apt cache search, i have no terminal skill |
| 09:12.12 | Mystic_Reverie | i need step by step or click to install files |
| 09:12.18 | Mystic_Reverie | linux is very hard |
| 09:12.31 | babilen | It really isn't -- You are simply not used to it |
| 09:12.55 | babilen | You might want to read https://debian-handbook.info/ (bit dated now, but many things still work the same) |
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| 09:13.45 | Mystic_Reverie | please, i really dont have time ot reasearch that stuff., and also i was told i dont need to to use linux |
| 09:13.48 | Mystic_Reverie | thats why i installed it |
| 09:13.59 | Mystic_Reverie | now if im told i have to learn terminal, i will just go back to windows |
| 09:14.06 | Mystic_Reverie | i have not the time or the desire |
| 09:14.43 | babilen | I'm happy for you to use the graphical package manager as well (synaptic) |
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| 09:15.10 | Mystic_Reverie | i donr know hpow tpo install or run these programs though, hence why i came here |
| 09:15.12 | babilen | Trickier to communicate what you should do as opposed to clear commands, but that shouldn't stop you |
| 09:15.22 | Mystic_Reverie | and people the mtell me to learn terminal.. and we go round in circles |
| 09:15.31 | Mystic_Reverie | i will not learn teminall. period |
| 09:15.33 | babilen | You run it like you run any other program (such as a web browser) |
| 09:15.37 | Mystic_Reverie | if that snot acceptable i wil lgo bac kto windows |
| 09:15.40 | Mystic_Reverie | no harm done |
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| 09:16.20 | babilen | You can use whatever tool you find most appropriate. Synaptic would be the graphical package manager that you're looking for at the moment |
| 09:16.41 | Mystic_Reverie | i installed inform from syunaptic... and when i ran it nothing happened |
| 09:16.46 | Mystic_Reverie | i need a gui :/ |
| 09:16.53 | babilen | Then install a GUI tool |
| 09:17.00 | Mystic_Reverie | inform is a nothre text adventiure creator/reader |
| 09:17.12 | babilen | So .. you used synaptic before and you have tried some of the tools I pointed out already |
| 09:17.13 | Mystic_Reverie | i dont know how and cant find one |
| 09:17.18 | Mystic_Reverie | thtas why im here |
| 09:17.38 | babilen | I mentioned one .. but the onus is on you to find the software you are looking for |
| 09:17.49 | Mystic_Reverie | i searched for some stuff yes..the softwaere i want i searched for |
| 09:17.52 | Mystic_Reverie | but no luck |
| 09:18.50 | babilen | You have to realise that you are asking for something rather niche. Use the search functionality in the package manager or Google and add "debian" or "linux" or "open source" or "graphical" to the search terms |
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| 09:19.45 | Mystic_Reverie | iv tried |
| 09:19.47 | Mystic_Reverie | and found packages |
| 09:19.57 | Mystic_Reverie | but hav eno idea how to instal lthem, or if they are the right ones |
| 09:19.58 | Mystic_Reverie | nevermind |
| 09:20.08 | Mystic_Reverie | eveything is 'niche' in linux.. its ridiculous |
| 09:20.11 | Mystic_Reverie | thanks for the time |
| 09:20.11 | petn-randall | Mystic_Reverie: Just mark them and click install? |
| 09:20.17 | Mystic_Reverie | i cant do it |
| 09:20.19 | petn-randall | It's not really that difficult. |
| 09:20.26 | petn-randall | What's stopping you from doing it? |
| 09:20.41 | Mystic_Reverie | cos its never click to install |
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| 09:20.46 | Mystic_Reverie | its tsar files and dependencies |
| 09:20.47 | blackflow | Mystic_Reverie: oh hello again. came to troll in #debian now? |
| 09:20.58 | Mystic_Reverie | and yes it IS difficult fo rpeople who dont camp out on front of thier computers |
| 09:21.05 | Mystic_Reverie | its time consuming and ridiculous |
| 09:21.15 | Mystic_Reverie | i mnot rolling im askign for help |
| 09:21.19 | Mystic_Reverie | how about keeping your nose out ? |
| 09:21.20 | babilen | Mystic_Reverie: Well, good luck. If you think that using Windows is easier and you're happy with that, I'd recommend to use that |
| 09:21.26 | Mystic_Reverie | yea |
| 09:21.32 | petn-randall | !next |
| 09:21.32 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 09:21.33 | Mystic_Reverie | seems i have no choice |
| 09:21.38 | babilen | Looks like it |
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| 09:22.04 | petn-randall | 2/10 |
| 09:22.24 | blackflow | no you're not. you're repeating the whole "I don't wanna understand this" dance ending with insults and ragequits, that are soon to follow because #debian is far less forgiving to trolls. |
| 09:22.41 | petn-randall | blackflow: What was the other channel? |
| 09:22.43 | Mystic_Reverie | fuk of blackflpow. we arent all nerds., linux is just not suited for people with lives |
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| 09:22.47 | blackflow | petn-randall: ubuntu channels |
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| 09:23.01 | blackflow | here we go, insults. and now ragequ..... oh wait, nooooo :) |
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| 09:23.35 | petn-randall | Mystic_Reverie: We don't tolerate insulting people in here. I recommend you try your luck somewhere else. |
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| 09:23.47 | dadada | hi |
| 09:24.10 | dadada | if I want to suggest a package to be included in official debian repositories, how should I go about doing that |
| 09:24.37 | petn-randall | Hi dadada, what piece of software is it? |
| 09:24.49 | dadada | https://github.com/browsh-org/browsh |
| 09:24.55 | dadada | https://github.com/browsh-org/browsh/releases |
| 09:25.06 | dadada | there are precompiled deb packages, if you want to test it |
| 09:26.02 | dadada | inspite of the 1.3.3 release number the software isn't really mature yet, but I'm assuming it will improve a lot over time as interest picks up |
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| 09:26.40 | dadada | hi petn-randall |
| 09:26.59 | petn-randall | dadada: You could file a RFP (request for package) bug with the reportbug tool. |
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| 09:28.20 | petn-randall | dadada: However, if you want to get your feet wet, you could try to package it yourself, and get it in the Debian repository. We have #debian-mentors to get people up to speed. |
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| 09:29.32 | dadada | petn-randall: I'm not really asking for myself, there is a user who filed an issue about it |
| 09:30.42 | petn-randall | dadada: I see, so you're the developer of browsh? |
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| 09:31.33 | dadada | petn-randall: no, I'm just helping with answering issues |
| 09:31.46 | dadada | petn-randall: I did betatesting and gave some advice |
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| 09:33.20 | dadada | browsh needs firefox 57+ , is that dependency fulfilled on the latest version of debian? |
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| 09:40.07 | petn-randall | ,v firefox-esr |
| 09:40.08 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; stretch: 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 52.8.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.9.0esr-1; sid: 52.9.0esr-1; experimental: 60.1.0esr-1 |
| 09:40.48 | petn-randall | dadada: It's currently 52, but when support runs out, stretch will get the current ESR, 60. |
| 09:41.01 | dadada | when will that be? |
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| 09:42.10 | petn-randall | dadada: According to Mozilla, it runs out September 5 this year. So some time after that 60 will be uploaded to stretch. |
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| 09:42.31 | dadada | ok, that's soon enough, thank you |
| 09:42.57 | BlackDalek | Hi, I am having trouble with getting USB audio device to work in Debian 9. I just moved from Ubuntu, so can't quite find my way around the system yet. |
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| 09:44.54 | BlackDalek | USB audio device is detected as "HP-USB300 5.1 headset"(same thing under Ubuntu). In Debian 9, I can set the volume at 100% or higher (distorted), but anything 99% or lower causes silence. |
| 09:45.14 | BlackDalek | How do I fix this? |
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| 09:49.25 | petn-randall | blackflow: Silence? That's a really peculiar bug. |
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| 09:51.16 | blackflow | petn-randall: hrm? |
| 09:51.43 | petn-randall | blackflow: So, at 100% it's loud and distorted, and you pull it one tick down to 99%, and it's completely silent? |
| 09:51.48 | blackflow | oh, nick mistab. BlackDalek ^^^ |
| 09:51.58 | petn-randall | Hahaha |
| 09:52.22 | petn-randall | Indeed, this was a mis-tab. It was mean for BlackDalek |
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| 09:53.00 | BlackDalek | blockflaw, my nick caused you trouble in #ubuntu channel the other day too :P |
| 09:53.11 | blockflaw | yah :) |
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| 09:53.24 | BlackDalek | petn-randall, yes, that is correct |
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| 09:53.42 | petn-randall | You two now have to have a thumb fight over the "black" prefix. |
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| 09:56.51 | bozza | should I be using root to connect to my debian server? |
| 09:56.53 | petn-randall | BlackDalek: My first task would be to check the kernel logs for any funky messages about that device. |
| 09:57.01 | petn-randall | bozza: Depends on what you want to do. |
| 09:57.25 | bozza | petn-randall: I just purchased a server and I only have a root account |
| 09:58.03 | bozza | seems a little crazy? Does debian run through the root user by default? |
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| 09:59.25 | bozza | petn-randall: I am used to ubuntu running as a user and only using root through sudo |
| 09:59.38 | BlackDalek | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:59.39 | BlackDalek | by application volume control and main volume control? |
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| 10:01.21 | petn-randall | bozza: It wouldn't call either approach crazy. But Debian doesn't run through root by default. Upon installation you usually create an unprivileged user. |
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| 10:01.31 | BlackDalek | petn-randall, the logs are full of crazy messages about the device but I went down that avenue with Ubuntu too and never got any kind of solution. The only fix I could come up with was to control the volume through app instead of main volume. I just want to be able to do the same thing in Debian |
| 10:01.51 | bozza | petn-randall: I will do it manually.. The OS was installed by a server config of this provider |
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| 10:02.59 | BlackDalek | petn-randall, the easiest solution would be to buy a more compatible USB sound card, but for now this thing is all I got to work with. |
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| 10:05.15 | petn-randall | BlackDalek: You should be able to do the same with pavucontrol, or anything else. |
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| 10:06.07 | BlackDalek | The application I want to be able to use to control the volume is Kodi. For some reason it only seems to control the main volume (causing silence below 99%) instead of the application volume. |
| 10:06.30 | petn-randall | BlackDalek: I see. Are you using pavucontrol or something else? |
| 10:07.19 | BlackDalek | petn-randall, I'm not sure. I only just installed debian today. |
| 10:08.20 | BlackDalek | petn-randall, if I type pavucontrol it says command not found |
| 10:09.30 | petn-randall | BlackDalek: Ok, what are you then using to change the volume? |
| 10:09.53 | petn-randall | (like, is it a widget or something else?) |
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| 10:10.51 | BlackDalek | petn-randall, hold |
| 10:10.58 | BlackDalek | pet--- |
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| 10:11.15 | BlackDalek | petn-randall, sorry got 1 year old over keyboard |
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| 10:17.53 | BlackDalek | petn-randall, it looks like this... https://imagebin.ca/v/48z5Eq2298a8 |
| 10:19.06 | BlackDalek | petn-randall, or this... https://imagebin.ca/v/48z5ah3fIgcz |
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| 10:20.09 | BlackDalek | petn-randall, anything setting below that is silent. But my main problem is I can't make Kodi make application level volume adjustment within the app. |
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| 10:21.37 | babilen | BlackDalek: Are you sure that output profile (7.1) is correct? |
| 10:21.57 | babilen | Do you have a 7.1 setup? |
| 10:22.13 | BlackDalek | u-st* /petn-randall, I can live with the fact that adjusting the "main" overall OS volume is impossible with this device. I just can't seem to get any independent app volume control |
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| 10:23.11 | babilen | Can't you adjust per-application settings in the "Application" tab? |
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| 10:23.32 | BlackDalek | babilen, that's another odd quirk. The device is called 5.1 in description but has only ever worked as 7.1 since I've had it. Also Debian gives no other configuration option for the device. |
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| 10:24.34 | babilen | Sort of sounds (ba-dum-tsh) like a particular problem concerning that device |
| 10:24.36 | BlackDalek | babilen, no, because when kodi is running full screen I have to access to the sound settings tabs |
| 10:24.54 | BlackDalek | babilen, no, because when kodi is running full screen I have NO access to the sound settings tabs |
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| 10:25.38 | babilen | Kodi presumably offers its own volume control though? It's expected that global volume control keys control system volume |
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| 10:26.05 | BlackDalek | bablien, and beside I "should" be able to control "application" volume within Kodi, but for some reason I've not bee able to fathom, I can't |
| 10:26.27 | babilen | "cat /proc/asound/cards" might be of interest. I'd investigate how that device is supported by Linux and which kernel/alsa version you need |
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| 10:27.04 | babilen | I'm also not *too* knowledgable about anything sound, but that's probably the angle I'd use for attacking this problem |
| 10:27.29 | babilen | Can you reproduce it on a different device (e.g. sound output on your mainboard) ? |
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| 10:28.20 | babilen | I'm also more used to tools such as pavucontrol or paprefs -- Maybe check what they are offering? |
| 10:28.36 | babilen | Also check "alsamixer" and settings there |
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| 10:29.21 | BlackDalek | babilen, no. The weird volume issue is exclusive to this particular device. Alsamixer controls sort of work. It lets me adjust main volume downward but not up. |
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| 10:30.32 | babilen | So this isn't a general issue that concerns every device, but rather just a specific one |
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| 10:30.58 | babilen | Look into alsa/linux support for that device. Maybe a newer kernel or alsa stack helps? |
| 10:31.44 | BlackDalek | babilen, yes. Volume control for the internal audio device functions correctly. (This is a 2006 2nd gen Mac Mini by the way). |
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| 10:34.32 | BlackDalek | babilen, given that this problem with this device has existed for several kernels with no solution, it's doubtful updating to a newer kernel will provide any improvement. |
| 10:34.48 | babilen | Well, that's great. It means that you only have to figure out what is needed for that headset. Maybe look into the "cat /proc/asound/cards" output, ask #alsa and try newer kernels |
| 10:35.07 | babilen | Or get a different device that's supported by Linux |
| 10:35.18 | babilen | Or write the missing alsa support yourself |
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| 10:36.18 | babilen | I think the best way is to figure out the exact name/identifier for that device, investigate how/what supports it in Linux, see if that support has become more comprehensive in newer version (if so: try newer version) and if not: figure out what needs to get done |
| 10:36.37 | babilen | For that you probably need the help of alsa/sound people rather than Debian people |
| 10:37.21 | BlackDalek | babilen, ultimately I will be replacing the device. Just seeing if there was an simple fix to get it working tonight. Turned out to be more trouble than it's worth. |
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| 10:39.00 | babilen | I'm sorry that I can't offer better advice, but I would - at least - have to see what ALSA thinks of it (e.g. delve into /proc/alsa/*) |
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| 10:39.21 | babilen | Furthermore I think that #alsa is better equipped to help with this |
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| 10:44.58 | bozza | where is the default place in debian to mount harddisk to in fstab? |
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| 10:45.15 | bozza | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:48.01 | petn-randall | bozza: There's no default. |
| 10:48.33 | petn-randall | bozza: But you can create any directory under /mnt/ and mount it there if you want. |
| 10:48.46 | bozza | cool! thanks! :) |
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| 10:51.22 | babilen | You could even mount it to /mnt/bozza/happyhappyjoyjoy |
| 10:51.47 | babilen | Or /media/bozza/foobar |
| 10:51.53 | babilen | Endless opportunities |
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| 10:56.38 | fpat | hello. is there a cli version of https://cdimage-search.debian.org/ available? |
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| 10:58.45 | petn-randall | fpat: You can probably use it with links, then it's CLI. :) |
| 10:58.55 | fpat | heh |
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| 11:06.40 | bozza | babilen: happyhappyjoyjoy :) haha |
| 11:06.46 | bozza | mounted it to /mnt/bla |
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| 11:13.19 | BlackDalek | no one is active in #alsa channel. Can't get help there tonight unfortunately. Back to the impossible to solve volume control issue.... what could be the possible reason why the Ubuntu version of Kodi adjusts the application volume but the Debian version of Kodi adjusts the main global volume? |
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| 11:14.57 | babilen | BlackDalek: It would help if you were to answer the questions you're being asked in #alsa (and not every channel is as active as #debian) |
| 11:15.04 | babilen | lunsj! |
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| 11:15.32 | Haohmaru | also.. "tonight" ... it's noon here |
| 11:16.32 | BlackDalek | babilen, when I last looked at the #alsa channel there were no question or activity for anyone. Someone has just asked the first question which I shall attend to now. |
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| 11:18.13 | aias | Hi. I installed MySQL on Debian 9 but can't reset the root password. When logging in from the terminal as root it lets me in with any password. When logging in from a user account (-u root) it denies all passwords. I've tried updating the mysql.user password, tried using mysqladmin to reset the password, ran mysql_secure_installation and changed the password. I still can't login... Any ideas? |
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| 11:18.51 | babilen | Isn't it using socket activation? |
| 11:18.59 | babilen | Anyway .. off for lunch now |
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| 11:53.18 | Sniffer101 | hi guys |
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| 11:55.23 | stoiss | Hm im having a problem with debian. I can see the network card in lspci but it doesnt show up under ifconfig or iwconfig. i can add a wireless network in my network manager UI but not discover wifi networks. |
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| 11:58.22 | BlackDalek | Does any of the recently joined users here know anything about fixing USB audio issues? Problem device is http://paste.debian.net/1034038 Issue is setting volume to ANYTHING below 100% causes silence. |
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| 12:00.42 | jollyjester | hello everyone! |
| 12:00.59 | Sniffer101 | Hello Jester! |
| 12:01.39 | jollyjester | does anyone know how to use emacs? |
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| 12:02.10 | TvL2386 | o/ |
| 12:02.14 | TvL2386 | jollyjester: no |
| 12:02.30 | jollyjester | i'm currently trying to learn emacs and i would like someone to be my "tutor" |
| 12:03.04 | TvL2386 | check youtube :) |
| 12:03.09 | TvL2386 | there are a few tutorials |
| 12:03.34 | jollyjester | i know that but i would like someone that i can ask questions to and teach me like a teacher |
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| 12:03.48 | jollyjester | youtube videos aren't really that useful compared to someone personally teaching you |
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| 12:05.22 | fiet | jollyjester: Try #emacs-beginner |
| 12:05.31 | jollyjester | ok |
| 12:05.54 | jollyjester | fiet, it's empty... |
| 12:06.09 | Sniffer101 | I am the coder of the nation! |
| 12:06.19 | Sniffer101 | I can code the best code in the whole of the IRC! |
| 12:06.20 | fiet | jollyjester: Sorry, I meant to say #emacs-beginners. Plural. |
| 12:07.09 | jollyjester | fiet, ok |
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| 12:19.19 | babilen | jollyjester: I'd recommend to start with "/join #emacs" |
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| 12:20.20 | babilen | Ah .. there's a beginner channel now. In the end: I'd recommend to follow the built-in tutorial and to read the "Mastering Emacs" book maybe |
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| 12:27.11 | annadane | which emacs? if you're using the one in stretch the emacs24-common-non-dfsg and emacs25-common-non-dfsg packages will install the manuals and suc |
| 12:27.40 | annadane | they're in non-free |
| 12:28.38 | annadane | s/suc/such |
| 12:29.28 | annadane | all the documentation should also be on gnu's website |
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| 12:31.45 | annadane | (as well as guides for elisp) |
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| 12:39.36 | padarc | Hello guys, i need a small hint. After standby my laptop turns the screen on and off for 5 times like every second. Where can i look why it does that? |
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| 12:40.57 | Satou | Hello! A friend of mine is experiencing some troubles with testing, he's getting a lot of collisions shown up on ifconfig and web pages are taking forever to load, does anyone else experience this on testing? |
| 12:41.18 | annadane | !debian-next |
| 12:41.18 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 12:41.22 | annadane | Satou, ^ |
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| 12:41.31 | Satou | thanks annadane, sorry. |
| 12:41.50 | Satou | it would be nice if someone could invite me to it, as it is invite-only. |
| 12:42.01 | annadane | Satou, pay close attention to the factoid |
| 12:42.06 | annadane | (oftc, not freenode) |
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| 12:47.26 | JJthomas | Could someone help me debug an audio issue? I've posted a bunch of info: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=138081 |
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| 12:51.34 | ArlequInOut | JJthomas, maybe journalctl can give you more information |
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| 12:56.29 | hahainternet | JJthomas: install 'pavucontrol', make sure that when you believe you're playing music it's shownig up in pulseaudio and has the correct destination set, do 'alsamixer', hit f6 and go to your sound card, make sure outputs have volume and are not muted |
| 12:57.04 | hahainternet | it sounds like your default pulse sink is not set to the correct sound card to me |
| 12:57.06 | JJthomas | Here is my journalctl http://termbin.com/r3dc |
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| 12:58.23 | hahainternet | you should see something like this, with a dancing blue bar at the bottom, except pointed at a real sound card: https://i.imgur.com/1V0vnXI.png |
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| 12:59.13 | JJthomas | hahainternet: the blue bar is dancing, correct outputs are chosen :( |
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| 12:59.35 | hahainternet | JJthomas: run alsamixer in a terminal, hit f6, select your sound card |
| 12:59.43 | hahainternet | see if any of the outputs have MM instead of OO |
| 13:00.13 | hahainternet | should look like this: https://i.imgur.com/nrX8YHd.png |
| 13:00.15 | JJthomas | one thing that is odd, in pavucontrol, it shows line out unplugged, and that was what I was using in the past (and it is plugged in) |
| 13:00.29 | JJthomas | it also shows a headphones output, tried both and there is still no sound |
| 13:00.34 | hahainternet | jack detection can be odd, and i personally don't use an internal sound card so i can't really help there |
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| 13:00.59 | hahainternet | but if pulse is listing your card and there's a dancing bar, that means the pulse portion is working fine, you might want to go to 'output devices' in pavucontrol, make sure the output is turned up |
| 13:01.08 | hahainternet | after that it's going to be alsa settings or mixer values |
| 13:01.27 | hahainternet | my particular interface i can route every audio channel individually, i can't predict what the options will be on yours |
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| 13:03.21 | JJthomas | honestly, i've tried everything within the gui of pavucontrol and alsamixer (i spent 9 hrs yesterday). im aware to make sure channels are not muted, spdif shoudl be muted in some circumstances to get anolog to work, etc |
| 13:04.06 | hahainternet | JJthomas: you said before that you've killed pulseaudio and used vlc to talk to the sound card directly yes? |
| 13:04.17 | hahainternet | and you were certain you had the right alsa device (from aplay -l and -L ?) |
| 13:04.18 | JJthomas | i did not kill pulseaudio when i tried to do that :s |
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| 13:04.55 | JJthomas | i did set vlc to use alsa and chose the correct device, yes i'm quite certain. it shows 2 outputs from the onboard audio, analog and digital |
| 13:05.01 | JJthomas | ive been trying to use the analog |
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| 13:05.37 | Raybih | Mormonism |
| 13:06.06 | hahainternet | JJthomas: you should kill pulse at the same to avoid any contention, it sounds like there's been some regression, although snd_hda_intel is not rare |
| 13:06.40 | hahainternet | i'm going to assume that its auto config w/ca0132 is incorrect |
| 13:07.08 | hahainternet | JJthomas: it is the intel card right? or are you trying to do HDMI out? |
| 13:07.52 | hahainternet | i see there's a couple of consistent issues along the lines of what you mentioned: https://askubuntu.com/questions/930168/no-sound-from-ca0132-creative-core3d-again/930218 |
| 13:08.00 | hahainternet | but not related to spdif, instead headphone autodetection |
| 13:09.36 | hahainternet | right, apparently if this is an alienware built in, they don't have good databases for pin configurations, but it would be odd to change all of a sudden |
| 13:09.57 | hahainternet | oh interesting actually |
| 13:10.01 | hahainternet | 4.18 introduced a new patch |
| 13:10.10 | hahainternet | which enables things like SoundBlaster Zx' |
| 13:10.22 | hahainternet | way newer than what JJthomas is on anyway |
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| 13:11.00 | JJthomas | i'm taking bwl123's advice from his reply, by removing the dedicated audio and focus on getting the onboard to work again |
| 13:11.13 | JJthomas | do you think upgrading the kernel may help? |
| 13:11.24 | Raybih | , nontrinitarian denominations comprise a minority of modern Christianity. |
| 13:11.48 | hahainternet | JJthomas: it's hard to tell, i don't know which is your dedicated and which is onboard etc |
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| 13:12.42 | JJthomas | okay sorry, the realtek is onboard, card 0, and device 0 for analog |
| 13:12.50 | JJthomas | which is what im trying to get working again |
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| 13:13.30 | JJthomas | im happy to reinstall again, tempted to try 9.4 again but then I will be in the same situation in the future when I upgrade :/ |
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| 13:15.58 | hahainternet | JJthomas: it looks like the realtek might be better supported, it should be as simple as booting, logging in as root or whatever so pulse doesn't start |
| 13:16.07 | hahainternet | and playing some audio into it with whatever you choose |
| 13:16.16 | hahainternet | if that one doesn't work too, it sounds like something deeper is broken |
| 13:18.01 | JJthomas | okay - i will give that a shot and be back soon. thank you for your help thus far! |
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| 13:19.44 | fr00die | hello |
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| 13:28.53 | JJthomas | hahainternet: absolutely no luck :( logged in as root, made sure alsamixer settings were okay, and tried to do speaker-test and there was no sound |
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| 13:29.43 | hahainternet | JJthomas: did you pass any parameters to speaker-test to make sure it was using that card |
| 13:29.49 | hahainternet | i can't remember what it shows by default |
| 13:30.10 | hahainternet | it could easily be defaulting to hdmi out |
| 13:30.27 | JJthomas | yes i ran, speaker-test --device plughw:CARD=Intel,DEV=0 |
| 13:30.37 | JJthomas | which would be onboard sound, analog |
| 13:30.40 | hahainternet | but your card is a realtek, not an intel? |
| 13:30.47 | hahainternet | oh i suppose it's hda_intel_realtek isn't it |
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| 13:30.52 | JJthomas | yup ^ |
| 13:30.54 | hahainternet | or some craziness |
| 13:31.23 | hahainternet | JJthomas: honestly then i am a little lost at the next step of debugging, if everything has come up correctly and the card appears correctly |
| 13:31.28 | hahainternet | the channels arne't muted but you still get nothing out |
| 13:31.37 | hahainternet | i am afraid that is probably as far as i can help you debug |
| 13:31.50 | hahainternet | it's a particularly odd one |
| 13:32.10 | JJthomas | okay well i really appreciate your help and effort. |
| 13:32.25 | hahainternet | i'm really confused by this behaviour |
| 13:32.32 | hahainternet | there must be something obvious that's been missed |
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| 13:33.38 | hahainternet | a few mentions on google of audio not working with them |
| 13:34.08 | JJthomas | im getting so much weird behavior, now after a fresh boot, i tried to play vlc through the output and it says its busy |
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| 13:34.18 | hahainternet | JJthomas: that's normal if pulse has started or similar |
| 13:34.18 | JJthomas | device or resource busy |
| 13:34.21 | JJthomas | ah ok |
| 13:34.23 | hahainternet | they occupy the card |
| 13:34.26 | hahainternet | and then they do software mixing |
| 13:34.48 | hahainternet | interestingly, there's some gpio options |
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| 13:35.00 | hahainternet | not sure how to set those in linux |
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| 13:35.37 | JJthomas | hmm ill check it out. i'm going to try a fresh install with only alsa and onboard and update my forum post |
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| 13:35.51 | JJthomas | so its less confusing for people to help me, thank you very much man |
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| 13:36.20 | hahainternet | JJthomas: roger |
| 13:36.22 | hahainternet | JJthomas: best of luck |
| 13:36.26 | JJthomas | cheers |
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| 14:09.57 | han-solo | Hello |
| 14:10.16 | han-solo | Is there any way to see which processes are using a kernel module ? |
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| 14:13.34 | petn-randall | han-solo: the kernel tends to use kernel modules, not any userland processes. |
| 14:13.40 | petn-randall | han-solo: What are you trying to achieve? |
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| 14:21.56 | han-solo | petn-randall: I have this module, and some processes maybe using it, and when i try to rmmod, it is busy |
| 14:22.21 | han-solo | So i was thinking a right way to find th processes and stop it, and remove the module |
| 14:22.24 | greycat | What module, and why are you trying to rmmod it? |
| 14:23.26 | han-solo | pf_ring |
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| 14:23.58 | greycat | not in the standard stretch kernel, that's for sure... |
| 14:24.01 | han-solo | how do one associate a module with a process ? Other than by checking all the process that this module may likely use :/ |
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| 14:24.25 | han-solo | greycat: Yeah, it's a third party one. Quite good, i must say :) |
| 14:25.09 | greycat | "PF_RING⢠is a new type of network socket that dramatically improves the packet capture speed..." so why are you trying to remove it? |
| 14:25.13 | petn-randall | han-solo: If you can't unload it, it's likely a bug. If it doesn't unload even after restart, I'd file a bug against the upstream project. |
| 14:25.48 | greycat | If it's related to networks and packet capturing, then the obvious userspace process that would be "using" it would be tcpdump or wireshark or something similar. |
| 14:25.52 | han-solo | greycat: I want to stop it, and install a new one, at times :), systemctl may likely error out in some cases |
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| 14:27.27 | greycat | "PF_RING⢠is polling packets from NICs by means of Linux NAPI. This means that NAPI copies packets from the NIC to the PF_RING⢠circular buffer, and then the userland application reads packets from ring. In this scenario, there are two pollers, both the application and NAPI" |
| 14:27.35 | han-solo | greycat: tcpdump and wireshark uses libpcap, i think. The users can use this pf_ring API, to write |
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| 14:28.08 | han-solo | petn-randall: unload as in ? rmmod -f ? |
| 14:28.40 | petn-randall | han-solo: Unload as in 'rmmod pf_ring'. |
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| 14:29.13 | petn-randall | han-solo: `rmmod -f` is unsafe, taints your kernel, and may kill your cat. |
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| 14:30.29 | han-solo | petn-randall: Yeah, i want a gracefull unload as well |
| 14:31.18 | han-solo | petn-randall: Okay, i think, maybe i should check the latest nightly build, and see if it unloads gracefully |
| 14:31.27 | han-solo | otherwise raise a bug |
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| 14:32.17 | greycat | https://lists.gt.net/ntop/misc/44418 |
| 14:33.42 | han-solo | greycat: Damn, i forgot i can get the stats to check the processes |
| 14:33.48 | han-solo | greycat: Thanks |
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| 14:34.23 | han-solo | greycat: but, just out of curiosity, should there be a way to check which all processes are using a module ? |
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| 14:35.04 | greycat | han-solo: it's like asking who's breathing the oxygen in the room |
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| 14:35.11 | han-solo | :) |
| 14:36.06 | greycat | At any given nanosecond, a process may be issuing a system call that "uses" some of the code that has been loaded by this module, but then it stops when the syscall ends, or even before the syscall ends. |
| 14:36.08 | blockflaw | well, rmmod it and see which process will fail or segfault :) |
| 14:36.37 | greycat | blockflaw: other modules that "depend" on it are preventing it from being removed |
| 14:36.39 | han-solo | greycat: Yeah |
| 14:37.07 | greycat | https://lists.gt.net/ntop/misc/44418blockflaw: google came up with |
| 14:37.10 | blockflaw | greycat: yeah it's not as straightforward as that, but it's one way. |
| 14:37.15 | greycat | ... shit. |
| 14:37.44 | blockflaw | I see. |
| 14:37.48 | greycat | how in the hell did that even happen |
| 14:37.48 | han-solo | greycat: ? |
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| 14:38.14 | greycat | oh, page up is next to home... maybe I fat-fingered the home key |
| 14:38.21 | blockflaw | greycat: latop, you palm pressed on the touchpad a split second before ctrlshiftv and it moved the cursor at the beginning? :) |
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| 14:38.32 | greycat | Not a laptop. |
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| 15:43.11 | lilith93 | hi, I want to execute a script under Debian but it asks me for a sudo password after some steps. I only have a root (su) password. Is it save to execute the whole script as root (su)? |
| 15:43.41 | greycat | Depends on the script. In general, no, you'd need to rewrite parts of it. |
| 15:43.43 | lilith93 | It's a programm installation script |
| 15:44.06 | lilith93 | ok |
| 15:44.35 | lilith93 | What's the common solution then? |
| 15:44.37 | lilith93 | thanks |
| 15:44.51 | greycat | but if you're actually being prompted by sudo, rather than getting "sudo: command not found", that means sudo is installed |
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| 15:45.18 | greycat | shouldn't be hard to add yourself to the sudo group (temporarily or permanently) so you can run the thing |
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| 15:45.36 | lilith93 | sudo seems to be installed |
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| 15:47.31 | lilith93 | ok, seems to be explained here: https://wiki.debian.org/sudo |
| 15:47.45 | han-solo | i don't have sudo :) |
| 15:48.04 | greycat | It's not installed by default unless you enter a blank root password during the install. |
| 15:48.29 | han-solo | i don't have much liking to sudo :) |
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| 15:52.52 | BCMM | lilith93: have you looked to see if there's a more civilised way of installing the program? like a debian package or something? |
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| 15:53.46 | lilith93 | BCMM: I could wait until I get feedback from the dev. It's experimental... Maybe he can implement a solution quickly |
| 15:54.24 | greycat | If you trust the existing install script, just add yourself to the sudo group, "exec su - $LOGNAME" to pick up the new group, and run it. |
| 15:54.41 | lilith93 | greycat: It should be save, yes |
| 15:55.44 | lilith93 | greycat: "exec su - $marco" in the terminal? |
| 15:55.53 | lilith93 | marco is my username |
| 15:55.59 | greycat | $LOGNAME or marco, not $marco |
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| 15:56.37 | lilith93 | ok , what about "sudo adduser foo" from the the wiki? |
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| 15:56.52 | greycat | I don't know how much hand-holding you require. |
| 15:57.13 | greycat | "adduser marco sudo" as root to add yourself to the sudo group |
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| 15:57.33 | lilith93 | ok, this I can try ... |
| 15:58.29 | lilith93 | now it told me that I'm in rout |
| 15:58.48 | lilith93 | when I type group I "sudo is not listed though |
| 15:58.55 | greycat | *sigh* |
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| 15:59.22 | babilen | ""exec su - $LOGNAME" to pick up the new group, and run it." |
| 15:59.23 | greycat | The intent was that you would perform the following steps, in order: 1) su 2) adduser marco sudo 3) exit 4) exec su - marco 5) ./the_installer |
| 15:59.46 | greycat | So now I know how much hand-holding was needed: all of it. |
| 15:59.55 | lilith93 | yes :) |
| 16:00.02 | lilith93 | I should mention it before |
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| 16:01.59 | lilith93 | that worked |
| 16:02.01 | lilith93 | thanks |
| 16:02.26 | lilith93 | Is it save to leave me in the sudo group or should I take it out again? |
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| 16:02.47 | greycat | The next time you log completely out and back in, you'll be in the sudo group in every process. For now, you're only in the sudo group in that ONE terminal where you did the su. |
| 16:03.02 | greycat | It's safe if you trust yourself. |
| 16:03.32 | ardualabs | I know I don't. :P |
| 16:04.11 | greycat | I'd say the majority of Debian users allow themselves sudo access, if they're the ones who actually installed Debian. |
| 16:04.15 | greycat | Just a guess. |
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| 16:08.44 | blockflaw | if anything, sudo should be more secure because it doens't require root's pass and sudoers file can limit exactly what's invoked through sudo. |
| 16:09.18 | greycat | It's a safe bet lilith93 will not be editing the sudoers file. |
| 16:09.44 | lilith93 | what the opposite to adduser? |
| 16:10.07 | greycat | Do you mean the part about removing your group membership? Personally I would edit the group file by hand. |
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| 16:10.28 | lilith93 | greycat: yes |
| 16:10.32 | greycat | Or, well, I would just leave myself in the sudo group. Really. But if you WANTED to remove yourself from that group for some reason.... |
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| 16:10.55 | lilith93 | just to know how to do it |
| 16:11.48 | foul_owl | What's the canonical tool for failing over a floating ip? keepalived? or something else? |
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| 16:11.59 | greycat | Edit the file /etc/group using your favorite text editor as root, or through the "vigr" command which will invoke an editor that it thinks you want to use, whether that's what you want or not. Then find the sudo line, find the part with marco, and ... edit it. |
| 16:12.05 | foul_owl | Basically just trying to create a HA ssh bastion server |
| 16:12.26 | foul_owl | So literally all that has to happen is have the IP failover if either server goes down |
| 16:12.58 | foul_owl | I suppose maybe I could use haproxy to have a pool of server, but two is probably fine for my needs |
| 16:13.25 | lilith93 | greycat: ok thanks |
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| 16:14.09 | foul_owl | Or keepalived might keep a pool also |
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| 16:29.00 | lilith93 | again me ... after adding me into the sudo group synaptic is not accepting the root password anymore, I have to type in the sudo password |
| 16:29.15 | lilith93 | Is that normal? |
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| 16:30.38 | razer2 | I think I found a bug in Synaptic. I typed "reportbug" in the terminal. It is asking for my real name. Does everybody use that? Will it be public somewhere? |
| 16:31.05 | razer2 | synaptic File -> Add Download Packge doesn't seem to work. Can somebody check? |
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| 16:31.19 | annadane | it asks for the name you want to file the bug under |
| 16:31.26 | annadane | it can literally be any nonsense made up thing |
| 16:31.37 | annadane | but it will be visible so if you don't want it publically seen ... |
| 16:32.01 | razer2 | annadane, ok. Can you check if Synaptic File -> Add Downloaded Package works for you with a downloaded package you got from the web? |
| 16:32.28 | themill | razer2: bugs are publicly filed, just as reportbug says |
| 16:32.47 | razer2 | ok. Could you guys try Synaptic and see before I file this? |
| 16:33.02 | greycat | nobody uses synaptic; that's why it has so many bugs |
| 16:33.12 | razer2 | greycat, Ah, that is pretty crazy. |
| 16:33.21 | annadane | synaptic kills my synapses |
| 16:33.47 | razer2 | greycat, Why not just remove it until it is ready? Can you use filtering commands on apt to do everything synaptic does? |
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| 16:34.15 | razer2 | Like, list by category, I also wonder if I can just list non-distro packaages that are installed? |
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| 16:34.32 | razer2 | Or, what about aptitude? |
| 16:34.58 | razer2 | This seems to be the downside of open source software. |
| 16:35.23 | razer2 | Its just like anarchy. |
| 16:35.57 | annadane | flips a car. |
| 16:37.08 | razer2 | Do you know if many people use aptitiude? Or just apt? |
| 16:37.25 | annadane | in all seriousness debian stable is not promised to be bug free |
| 16:37.27 | greycat | ,popcon aptitude |
| 16:37.28 | judd | Popcon data for aptitude: inst: 127204, vote: 22921, old: 100377, recent: 3830, nofiles: 76 |
| 16:37.31 | annadane | the maintainers try their best |
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| 16:37.54 | greycat | ,popcon synaptic |
| 16:37.55 | judd | Popcon data for synaptic: inst: 84786, vote: 11970, old: 61656, recent: 11110, nofiles: 50 |
| 16:38.03 | razer2 | I guess. If that feature really doesn't work it seems crazy to have it as a menu option until the feature becomes available. |
| 16:38.03 | annadane | you just get *less* bugs and less *destructive* bugs compared to say, sid |
| 16:38.30 | razer2 | Unless you are just trying to torture people. |
| 16:39.30 | greycat | "synaptic creates a .gpg file that breaks apt" was a pretty fun bug |
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| 16:39.32 | razer2 | Maybe I'm just doing something wrong and it isn't intuitive. If somebody could reporoduce the issue that would help. |
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| 16:40.20 | razer2 | Not being intuitive is sort of a bug, but not as bad. |
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| 16:43.14 | razer2 | Quality control issues just drive me crazy. I don't like releasing features or software that doesn't work. |
| 16:43.41 | razer2 | It is like a total violation of software and the user. |
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| 16:44.50 | razer2 | The snap for Spotify doesn't run on Debian. Anyone else had issues with snaps? |
| 16:45.03 | rant | you can have a full refund |
| 16:45.18 | razer2 | You get what you pay for. |
| 16:45.42 | blackflow | razer2: the issues I had was that it didn't automatically create a nice .desktop or launcher, like on ubuntu. had to put stuff it in the path manually. |
| 16:45.47 | blackflow | otherwise it worked. |
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| 16:46.00 | annadane | anyway let me try the synaptic thing in a VM |
| 16:46.06 | annadane | i don't really feel like installing it on my main system |
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| 16:48.21 | razer2 | ah, well it not being installed by default is a positive. I must have installed it I guess. |
| 16:48.45 | razer2 | Maybe a way to mark software beta in the stable release would be helpful. |
| 16:48.47 | greycat | It probably gets dragged in by some desktop environments. |
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| 16:50.01 | annadane | "aptitude why synaptic" |
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| 16:52.45 | annadane | so uh... ok, steps to reproduce? start synaptic as root and add download package? |
| 16:52.56 | annadane | also, what are you actually trying to install, i hope not random packages from the internet |
| 16:53.20 | razer2 | annadane, Yes a non-depository package. Why? |
| 16:53.27 | annadane | !frankendebian |
| 16:53.27 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
| 16:53.27 | razer2 | It is Discord. |
| 16:53.52 | annadane | i mean discord has a tar available, you don't need to give it full access to your machine |
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| 16:54.42 | razer2 | Well, that is what I did with Firefox. I just used the tar, but then I got convinced .deb was better. |
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| 16:54.57 | annadane | yeah, it isn't |
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| 16:55.43 | razer2 | That Firefox was buggy too from Mozilla so I switched by to the Debian Distribution version. |
| 16:57.07 | annadane | firefox-esr |
| 16:57.11 | razer2 | .deb does automatically integrate with the interface as far as finding the program. I'm not sure on how to integrate executables with the desktop or search. |
| 16:57.13 | annadane | i hope |
| 16:57.31 | razer2 | Yeah 52.9.0 ESR |
| 16:57.59 | razer2 | I tried the latest 60 Quantum ESR from Mozilla and things were buggy |
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| 16:58.21 | razer2 | At least I think it was related to the version. I had trouble scrolling not working. |
| 16:58.21 | blackflow | don't blame the fox, works superbly well here. |
| 16:58.45 | razer2 | You run the latest Firefox tar from Mozilla? |
| 16:59.32 | blackflow | no, sid's FF |
| 16:59.45 | razer2 | blackflow, oh that might be better |
| 16:59.49 | shdeuce | Jello! Do seperate partitions provide an extra layer of security? What about btrfs subvolumes? |
| 17:00.07 | razer2 | blackflow, They also say not to do apt pinning. There is a warning about that. |
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| 17:00.31 | razer2 | I'm using just stable plus backports |
| 17:00.31 | blackflow | razer2: yeah, don't. I understand the risk. |
| 17:00.38 | blackflow | if I break it I keep the pieces, also. |
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| 17:01.16 | blackflow | shdeuce: well... in a way, that you can partition which parts of the fs may exec, suid, etc... |
| 17:02.11 | annadane | see here's the thing, if i reproduce this, i have no idea if it's a bug or not because i don't use synaptic so i have absolutely no clue what intended behavior is |
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| 17:04.19 | shdeuce | blackflow: There is no other benefit? |
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| 17:05.37 | blackflow | shdeuce: security wise? no, just different mount options one can utilize for a "least privilege" policy. with btrfs you have the ability to facilitate proper snapshots and easy backup wiht send|receive, so it has security value in that too. |
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| 17:06.53 | blackflow | shdeuce: I don't use btrfs, I use ZFS. with that, one can rm -rf /everything and I can just shrug and 'zfs rollback'. with remoting backup snapshots it's even easier as I can delegate through zfs delegation, that the user can send a snapshot, but not destroy it. |
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| 17:10.23 | annadane | razer2, the option is only meant to be used with the other option above it, itself meant to be used only with the programs that are already in synaptic, not third party |
| 17:10.29 | annadane | so i'd say "not a bug" |
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| 17:10.53 | razer2 | So like downloading .deb from debian website? |
| 17:12.18 | shdeuce | blackflow: Thanks a lot. That was useful input. |
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| 17:12.43 | annadane | anyway, honestly, i'd rather not use synaptic for installing stuff |
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| 17:26.31 | razer2 | annadane, just apt I presume. That is what I use normally I guess. |
| 17:27.03 | annadane | mhm. and honestly stay away from .deb's in general, you don't want to install every untrusted thing under the sun |
| 17:27.39 | razer2 | annadane, Ok, yeah. That was my original thought. Though it was more about messing up the system than not trusting in the malicious sense. |
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| 17:27.57 | annadane | bit of column A bit of column B |
| 17:28.00 | razer2 | I think debs are basically packages from the distributor of the distro is the right way to think of it. |
| 17:28.23 | greycat | A .deb is a file made by anyone who wants to make one. |
| 17:28.27 | razer2 | That is their purpose. |
| 17:28.43 | razer2 | Yeah, but you should think of it like that from a procedure, not technology, standpoint. |
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| 17:29.13 | razer2 | Anyone can create a .deb, but the ideal purpose is for the distribution |
| 17:29.27 | razer2 | And if a deb isn't part of the distribution, well |
| 17:29.41 | greycat | Debian makes .deb files and those are typically good, at least by the time they get into a stable release. Then there are companies like Google that make .deb files for things like google-chrome-stable, and those are pretty good too. Then there's EVERYTHING ELSE. |
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| 17:29.55 | greycat | The problem is that last category. |
| 17:30.10 | razer2 | So a company like Discord making a deb. |
| 17:30.37 | annadane | and it's also just a good habit to get into security-wise. the repository is already trusted; for everything else there's tarballs |
| 17:30.59 | dutchfish | there is a good reason why something is not in the Debian repos. If you think otherwise, feel free to ask for a sponsor and package it yourself. |
| 17:31.04 | razer2 | Yeah and tarballs seem to work in many cases. I've tried snaps and flatpaks that don't work though. |
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| 17:31.58 | razer2 | I told the flatpak repostory and they were like "yeah we know that one doesn't work" and I was like this is insane you would post that! |
| 17:32.23 | razer2 | It is like gaslighting people like some kind of psychological torture. |
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| 17:32.54 | annadane | (oh hey flatpak is also in the debian repository!) |
| 17:33.18 | razer2 | I mean a flatpak app, not the flatpak platform |
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| 17:33.42 | razer2 | the flatpakk installer works, but a specific flatpack app didn't and they knew. |
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| 17:34.02 | razer2 | And the Spotify snap doesn't work on Debian. |
| 17:34.12 | greycat | Example from the EVERYTHING ELSE category: https://www.preining.info/blog/2018/06/microsofts-failed-attempt-on-debian-packaging/ |
| 17:34.37 | razer2 | got to restart |
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| 17:45.59 | KdeKris | Anyone know about why my FirePro 6100m isn't using hardware rendering? |
| 17:46.35 | KdeKris | I've got xorg.0.log on paste if you need it. And a whole list of other stuff I've tried over the last 24 hours to go through. |
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| 17:46.38 | greycat | If that's a video card, chances are you need to install some non-free firmware for it, or a non-free driver, or both. |
| 17:46.49 | KdeKris | http://paste.debian.net/1034119/ |
| 17:46.57 | towo` | all done in #debian on oftc.net |
| 17:46.58 | KdeKris | Already got the nonfree driver and firmware. |
| 17:47.12 | towo` | there is no nonfree driver |
| 17:47.17 | KdeKris | Yeah, towo` here has been helping me most of the day. |
| 17:47.39 | greycat | What's the PCI ID? |
| 17:48.43 | KdeKris | How would I find that/ |
| 17:48.46 | KdeKris | ? |
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| 17:48.50 | greycat | lspci -nn |
| 17:48.51 | towo` | lspci -nn |
| 17:48.55 | greycat | should have been the VERY FIRST THING you did |
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| 17:50.22 | KdeKris | greycat, sorry, I don't have a ton of commands memorized. Everything I do is learn as I go right now. |
| 17:50.23 | KdeKris | http://paste.debian.net/1034122/ |
| 17:50.29 | KdeKris | output of lspci -nn |
| 17:50.58 | greycat | ,pciid 1002:6640 |
| 17:50.59 | judd | [1002:6640] is 'Saturn XT [FirePro M6100]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:6640 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 17:51.08 | annadane | hey at least you're running stable, unlike me, who tried using sid within literally the first 3 months of any debian use at all |
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| 17:51.42 | annadane | (i mean i'm on stable *now*...) |
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| 17:53.33 | KdeKris | judd, that link shows that it works since kernel 3.16.0, I'm on 4.16.0. should work then, but I'm still getting software rendering with llvmpipe. |
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| 17:53.45 | greycat | I'm not trusting kmuto.jp's results these days. |
| 17:54.29 | greycat | here's some devs in #radeon talking about it last year: https://people.freedesktop.org/~cbrill/dri-log/index.php?channel=radeon&highlight_names=&date=2017-04-05 |
| 17:54.42 | KdeKris | I'm confident I was getting hardware rendering on the old gpu (radeon HD6970M) because performance was actually there, and I got 55-60fps in most games. It just didn't support OpenGL 3.0 or greater, which is why I upgraded. |
| 17:55.13 | greycat | The GPU may be too new for stretch's kernel & drivers, maybe. |
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| 17:56.17 | KdeKris | It's five years old though... |
| 17:56.29 | KdeKris | How old does it have to be? |
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| 17:57.24 | greycat | If you're using the stretch drivers and the non-free firmware for this device, and it's still not working, you could ask in #radeon. |
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| 17:57.59 | KdeKris | I'm getting this nick registered with nickserv now so I can do just that. |
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| 18:00.01 | dutchfish | that card is supported since 4.2, but, you probably need a recent amdgpu driver not radeon |
| 18:00.23 | KdeKris | so, maybe use the driver from backports? |
| 18:00.37 | dutchfish | KdeKris, you could try that |
| 18:00.44 | towo` | dutchfish, no, amdgpu does not support that card |
| 18:00.55 | towo` | that's an old radeonsi |
| 18:01.03 | dutchfish | towo`, are you sure? see: https://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/DRM_AMDGPU.html |
| 18:01.10 | towo` | and kernel is clearly using radeon, not amdgpu |
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| 18:01.52 | KdeKris | Kernel might be using radeon because my old card was radeon. But would that persist through a kernel upgrade? |
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| 18:02.10 | towo` | dutchfish, the stretch kernel has not activated CIK support original |
| 18:02.48 | dutchfish | totonika, hence i advised a newer kernel and amdgpu from backports to try. |
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| 18:03.05 | towo` | and for sure, i would ask in #radeon |
| 18:03.10 | dutchfish | oops that was for towo` |
| 18:03.21 | dutchfish | or that, sure |
| 18:03.29 | towo` | dutchfish, radeon is supporting that chipset since years |
| 18:03.45 | KdeKris | I did the kernel upgrade about an hour ago. I'll try the drivers and firmware before I go over to #radeon and retell my story for the millionth time. |
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| 18:04.47 | dutchfish | towo`, you giving me doubt, but check in here https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_drv.c |
| 18:05.06 | KdeKris | already got backports in sources.list, so my command would be "apt -t stretch-backports linux-firmware-nonfree" |
| 18:05.14 | KdeKris | and I don't remember the driver package name. |
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| 18:06.03 | dutchfish | KdeKris, if i am not mistaken libdrm-amdgpu1 |
| 18:06.40 | dutchfish | KdeKris, along with xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu |
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| 18:06.55 | KdeKris | Aren't there a bunch of associated packages and dependencies that will install with those? |
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| 18:07.13 | dutchfish | KdeKris, but only if it is realyy amdgpu and not radeon, i am in doubt now |
| 18:07.29 | dutchfish | KdeKris, yes |
| 18:07.31 | towo` | dutchfish, that wouldn't be enaught, since the kernel is loading radeon kernel module |
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| 18:07.55 | dutchfish | towo`, wrong, this works for me on other cards |
| 18:08.04 | dutchfish | towo`, that i am sure off |
| 18:08.06 | towo` | never ever |
| 18:08.07 | KdeKris | So my command will look like "sudo apt -t stretch-backports linux-firmware-nonfree libdrm-amdgpu1 xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu"? |
| 18:08.24 | towo` | amdgpu ddx can'tr be used if radeon as kernel module is running |
| 18:08.24 | dutchfish | towo`, enlighten me |
| 18:08.38 | dutchfish | towo`, correct |
| 18:08.45 | xsisec | hi guys I have installed eclipse on my debian machine, though the window code is flickering, so my question is How can I see the hopefully reason to this from the console? |
| 18:09.01 | xsisec | to do this" |
| 18:09.03 | towo` | dutchfish, and on KdeKris system, kernel is loading radeon, not amdgpu |
| 18:09.06 | dutchfish | towo`, its either radeon OR amdgpu |
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| 18:09.44 | KdeKris | What if my kernel is loading the wrong module though? |
| 18:09.53 | dutchfish | KdeKris, good thought |
| 18:10.21 | KdeKris | What if all the firmware and drivers are correct, but can't load correctly because the kernel isn't doing what it should? |
| 18:10.30 | KdeKris | How would I go about checking that? |
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| 18:10.32 | dutchfish | KdeKris, the confusion excists from the past, formerly all cards were radeon |
| 18:11.02 | dutchfish | KdeKris, up to the 4.x kernels, then it was devided in to radeon and amdgpu |
| 18:11.16 | KdeKris | If the kernel is loading radeon, would it hurt anything to make it load amdgpu somehow (I have no idea how I'd do this)? |
| 18:11.29 | KdeKris | As a test, to see if that's the issue. |
| 18:11.44 | towo` | you would need to blacklist radeon |
| 18:11.49 | dutchfish | KdeKris, just try it (with a newer kernel) if the kernel or the card isnt capable it ownt load |
| 18:11.58 | towo` | and you would need to add amdgpu to /etc/modules |
| 18:12.36 | KdeKris | dutchfish, I upgraded to 4.16 kernel a little while ago, and that didn't change anything. |
| 18:12.59 | KdeKris | might be like towo` said, need to add amdgpu to /etc/modules and blacklist radeon. |
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| 18:13.08 | KdeKris | then cross my fingers and hope it still boots. |
| 18:13.13 | towo` | KdeKris, not enought |
| 18:13.15 | dutchfish | KdeKris, if you have an Xorg.conf, you prolly want to set it aside. |
| 18:13.41 | dutchfish | KdeKris, most amd cards no longer need that config anymore |
| 18:13.47 | towo` | KdeKris, you have to rebuild initramfs and deleting the created /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-radeon.conf |
| 18:14.01 | dutchfish | towo`, correct |
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| 18:14.45 | KdeKris | sound's like something to save for when I have more time? Or is it a fairly quick process. I know deleting 20-radeon.conf is as simple as 'sudo rm -rf' |
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| 18:15.10 | dutchfish | KdeKris, dont delete configs, set them aside |
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| 18:15.18 | dutchfish | (just in case) |
| 18:15.20 | KdeKris | rename to *.bak |
| 18:15.28 | dutchfish | fair enough |
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| 18:15.52 | KdeKris | they werent there before and towo` had me create it earlier today before I upgraded kernel. |
| 18:16.07 | dutchfish | ah ic |
| 18:16.24 | KdeKris | So deleting probably wouldn't change anything. |
| 18:16.45 | dutchfish | you prolly dont need them either (all my amd cards so far work without it) that is on the newer kernels |
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| 18:17.17 | dutchfish | i make a habbit of cp my old configs to /root/backup (just in case) |
| 18:17.19 | KdeKris | And i'm on the newest kernel (that I'm aware of) |
| 18:17.35 | foul_owl | Whats the canonical tool for floating ip failover? keepalived? Or something else? |
| 18:17.44 | foul_owl | Just trying to set up an HA ssh bastion |
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| 18:18.02 | dutchfish | KdeKris, not 'the' newest, but that one will do |
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| 18:18.47 | KdeKris | What's the newest? |
| 18:19.10 | dutchfish | KdeKris, i am testing 4.17.7 right now. I dont advise to use that one (yet) |
| 18:19.35 | KdeKris | okay, so newer than 4.16.0 would be unstable? |
| 18:19.49 | dutchfish | KdeKris, along with a newer kernel comes a newer ABI most of the time. |
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| 18:20.46 | dutchfish | KdeKris, i you want newer, and this is not a production system. You maybe want Debian/testing. But i advise to test out the BPO ones first. |
| 18:21.17 | dutchfish | (easiest to coop with) |
| 18:21.27 | KdeKris | I think I'm okay without testing something that might be unstable. |
| 18:21.38 | dutchfish | right |
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| 18:21.54 | KdeKris | I'm currently deployed and about 5,000 miles from home, so I do need my laptop for actual work sometimes. |
| 18:22.24 | dutchfish | KdeKris, then stick to stable and maybe BPO if that doesnt work is a sane choice. |
| 18:22.45 | KdeKris | Exactly what I'm doing. :-) |
| 18:22.50 | dutchfish | ;) |
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| 18:23.33 | KdeKris | Check this paste out. does it mean that amdgpu and radeon modules are both being loaded? |
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| 18:23.52 | KdeKris | http://paste.debian.net/1034130/ |
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| 18:23.59 | dutchfish | KdeKris, if all doesnt work out, come back and just ask. Also, some logs might help us. |
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| 18:24.51 | dutchfish | KdeKris, you prolly need to get rid of the radeon driver, to know for sure. |
| 18:25.02 | KdeKris | heres one with grep amdgpu |
| 18:25.03 | KdeKris | http://paste.debian.net/1034131/ |
| 18:25.05 | greycat | ("get rid of" = blacklist) |
| 18:25.15 | dutchfish | KdeKris, and update your initramfs again |
| 18:25.28 | dutchfish | greycat, or that |
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| 18:26.28 | KdeKris | couple quick google searches show that that shouldn't take to long. I'll try it and hopefully don't kill my kernel in the process. I still have the old 4.9 kernel to boot if something goes wrong though. |
| 18:26.34 | RichardC | Hey everyone. I've been experiencing an issue with computer slowdowns during periods of high disk IO on my SSD. I've attempted changing the IO scheduler from None to MQ-Deadline but that doesn't seem to help. Any suggestions here? |
| 18:27.01 | RichardC | From what I can tell, SSD's firmware is up-to-date. |
| 18:27.12 | dutchfish | KdeKris, libdrm-radeon1 is probably the one to ommit |
| 18:27.28 | dutchfish | (or blacklist radeon) |
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| 18:28.05 | KdeKris | omitting libdrm-radeon1 and blacklisting radeon would be two different processes correct/ |
| 18:28.06 | KdeKris | ? |
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| 18:28.39 | dutchfish | KdeKris, by ommiting i ment uninstall. And, yes, 2 ways to coop with this. |
| 18:29.21 | KdeKris | Which way is less likely to break something? |
| 18:29.33 | dutchfish | KdeKris, blacklisting |
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| 18:30.13 | KdeKris | okay, I'll do that then. Back in a few. |
| 18:30.18 | dutchfish | KdeKris, and also, you will be back on radeon, just in case this doesnt work in a jiffy. |
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| 18:35.21 | razer1 | So maybe what is needed if a person wants to use debian is a guide of what to use and what not to use. Because it sounds like Debian is not a final os platform. It is a make your own solution from what is available. |
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| 18:35.58 | razer1 | Meaning if many things don't work etc. Sort of like a guide for a person to use Debian instead of say Ubuntu or Pop OS. |
| 18:36.23 | KdeKris | dutchfish, I'd just boot the 4.9 kernel and unblacklist radeon, correct? |
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| 18:36.48 | razer1 | Sort of like buying materials vs. a product. |
| 18:37.01 | dutchfish | KdeKris, correct |
| 18:37.16 | annadane | razer1, https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_how_to_pick_debian_packages |
| 18:37.26 | KdeKris | Also, and let the debian gods forgive me for linking this here, but would this be, essentially, the way to go about blacklisting radeon? |
| 18:37.28 | KdeKris | https://askubuntu.com/questions/938658/how-to-blacklist-radeon-module |
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| 18:37.56 | dutchfish | !blacklist |
| 18:37.57 | dpkg | To blacklist a Linux kernel module, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
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| 18:38.29 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 18:38.57 | KdeKris | Well son-of-a... I need to learn to interact with the channel bot more. |
| 18:38.59 | johnfg | Seems I may have asked about this before, but I don't remember if a solution was proposed. |
| 18:39.32 | johnfg | I'm running the latest stretch, all updates applied, with Mate as my DE, and bash as my shell. |
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| 18:40.06 | annadane | !tell KdeKris about search dpkg |
| 18:40.32 | johnfg | However, my .bash_profile is not setting the PATH as I expect, but I have to run . .bash_profile for it to be read. |
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| 18:40.49 | johnfg | Is there something else I need to do to have it read at login? |
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| 18:44.44 | somiaj | johnfg: .bash_profile is only read on login shells, not interactive shells, then .bashrc is read. man bash for more details |
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| 18:45.18 | greycat | johnfg: how do you login? Via a GUI Display Manager? |
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| 18:46.25 | greycat | if so, see https://wiki.debian.org/Xsession |
| 18:46.27 | KdeKris | Thanks for that annadane. |
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| 18:47.08 | KdeKris | dutchfish, towo`, greycat, everyone, I've blacklisted radeon, and updated initramfs....gonna reboot. |
| 18:47.12 | KdeKris | fingers crossed. |
| 18:47.25 | KdeKris | messing with kernels makes me so anxious |
| 18:47.52 | annadane | !next |
| 18:47.52 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 18:50.13 | johnfg | greycat: Yes, lightdm. |
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| 18:50.44 | greycat | Logins with a DM don't read shell profiles at all. So you have to put your stuff in a file that it DOES read, such as ~/.xsessionrc |
| 18:50.45 | johnfg | greycat: I just logged in on tty2, and there it does echo back the path as set in my .bash_profile. |
| 18:50.58 | greycat | Yes, logins on tty2 (Linux virtual console) DO read shell profiles. |
| 18:51.19 | johnfg | greycat: Ok, thanks, I'll edit .xsessionrc. |
| 18:51.50 | msl09 | dudes |
| 18:51.53 | johnfg | greycat: Does that take the same format as PATH in .bash_profile? |
| 18:52.12 | msl09 | against what package do I report a bug in the kde notification area? |
| 18:52.24 | annadane | ugh, who the hell knows |
| 18:52.27 | msl09 | or search for it if it's already open |
| 18:52.28 | annadane | probably kde-desktop |
| 18:52.52 | annadane | just file it against that and if it's wrong they'll reassign it themselves |
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| 18:52.58 | annadane | they're not going to reject a bug report just for that |
| 18:53.04 | greycat | johnfg: see https://wiki.debian.org/Xsession |
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| 18:53.25 | johnfg | greycat: Ok, looking now. |
| 18:55.02 | mnuhmnuh | !tell mnuhmnuh about search dpkg |
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| 19:14.39 | mefistofeles | so |
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| 19:15.27 | mefistofeles | when installing "tables" python package using "pip install tables" I'm getting a "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lhdf5" even though both libhdf5-8 and libhdf5-dev packages are installed |
| 19:15.32 | mefistofeles | any ideas why this may be happening? |
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| 19:17.13 | greycat | you'd want to find the build log file and see exactly what the error is |
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| 19:18.41 | greycat | hmm, https://packages.debian.org/stretch/amd64/libhdf5-dev/filelist looks ... weird. I know nothing about this library, but I don't see an actual libhdf5.so in there. Only libhdf5_*.so |
| 19:18.49 | rant | mefistofeles: why not just use the already packaged version of this? |
| 19:19.16 | mefistofeles | rant: it's a virtualenv I need a specific version |
| 19:20.18 | mefistofeles | greycat: doesn't really say much else https://bpaste.net/show/15e8f08a8150 |
| 19:20.42 | rant | mefistofeles: ah well then you might want to go into some detail there as the problem likely lies in that environment |
| 19:20.44 | greycat | that's actually LESS than you showed in chat |
| 19:21.10 | greycat | ,file libhdf5.so |
| 19:21.12 | mefistofeles | rant: it's a script that creates an environment, it works fine with archlinux and debian 9, failing in debian 8 |
| 19:21.15 | judd | Search for libhdf5.so in stretch/amd64: libhdf5-mpich-dev: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/hdf5/mpich/libhdf5.so; libhdf5-dev: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/hdf5/serial/libhdf5.so; libhdf5-openmpi-dev: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/hdf5/openmpi/libhdf5.so |
| 19:21.28 | greycat | *sigh* and now we learn that he's not in stretch |
| 19:21.45 | mefistofeles | well, has to be run with debian oldstable |
| 19:21.55 | rant | greycat: I'm sure it gets better, go grab some popcorn |
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| 19:22.10 | mefistofeles | nice help |
| 19:22.55 | rant | mefistofeles: are you objecting to the fact that you're the one with eyes on this and not giving us a clear picture? |
| 19:23.16 | mefistofeles | rant: nevermind |
| 19:23.21 | rant | if it were obvious, you probably wouldn be asking for help |
| 19:24.04 | mefistofeles | useless people in this channel, as usual |
| 19:24.10 | greycat | ,file libhdf5.so --release jessie |
| 19:24.14 | judd | Search for libhdf5.so in jessie/amd64: libhdf5-mpich-dev: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/hdf5/mpich/libhdf5.so; libhdf5-dev: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/hdf5/serial/libhdf5.so; libhdf5-openmpi-dev: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/hdf5/openmpi/libhdf5.so |
| 19:24.20 | greycat | Oh, I'm useless. OK. *plonk* |
| 19:24.35 | mefistofeles | libhdf5-dev is already installed, fwiw |
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| 19:25.20 | annadane | communities don't really like being called useless; even if we're wrong, we're doing our best, if you think we're wrong, try again later or wait for a second opinion |
| 19:25.24 | rant | mefistofeles: then perhaps try #python or help us draw a clear picture of the non-debian-stable-pyhon-package environment YOU created which doesn't satisfy your 3rd party build |
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| 19:26.09 | rant | because if you as you have said repeaedly installed deps and they're not being found, this screams environment... path or such |
| 19:26.41 | rant | we cannot compare this against our own environmen because you've constructed sometthing rubish we can't see |
| 19:26.43 | greycat | or there is a special magic incantation required for this hdf5 thing, like pkgconfig something |
| 19:27.34 | greycat | But, since we're useless, don't expect any of us to go out of our way to try to figure that all out for you. |
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| 19:28.05 | rant | yes, there are other places to seek help if thats really how you feel. |
| 19:28.06 | mefistofeles | yeah just let it go, I'd figure it out myself, nvm. |
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| 19:28.18 | rant | fair enough, have fun |
| 19:30.25 | greycat | looks at the manual "sudo ln -s" commands in https://github.com/BVLC/caffe/wiki/Ubuntu-16.04-or-15.10-Installation-Guide and thinks that can't possibly be the right answer |
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| 19:33.46 | mefistofeles | greycat: tried that already, and no, didn't work |
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| 19:34.04 | mefistofeles | well, actually tried only the first one |
| 19:35.47 | annadane | what's the general way to check if a disk is failing? i see there's smartmontools, but any other suggestions welcome |
| 19:36.11 | somiaj | smartmoontools will run either a short or long self test, run both those |
| 19:36.17 | somiaj | if those come back okay, check for io errors |
| 19:36.33 | somiaj | also if smartmontools tests are okay, could be a port or even a sata cable |
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| 19:40.31 | blackflow | smart is one of those false negative things. if it shows trouble, that's because it's programmed to think there might be (eg through normalized values hitting thresholds). if it shows no trouble, it doesn't mean there's no trouble. I wouldn't rely on it anyway except on raw numbers like pending realloc sectors. |
| 19:40.55 | mefistofeles | ok, solved it using HDF5_DIR env variable pointing to /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/hdf5/serial/ for those interested |
| 19:41.03 | mefistofeles | and I do blame debian8 for this |
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| 19:41.09 | annadane | literally my only indication of a potential fail is a slightly noisy drive |
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| 19:41.15 | annadane | so idk |
| 19:41.34 | annadane | i've put it through a fair amount of abuse |
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| 19:42.33 | KdeKris | What the actual fuuuuuu...... |
| 19:42.40 | KdeKris | No de. cant get a log in. |
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| 19:43.08 | KdeKris | broke everything. Even after deleting the blacklist file and doing update-initramfs again |
| 19:43.20 | KdeKris | Had to boot windows...now I'm mad. I hate windows. |
| 19:43.30 | annadane | i want a better computer regardless so it's almost good if it fails lol |
| 19:44.18 | KdeKris | Yeah, but you may have access to get a better pc right now. I don't. I'm 5000 miles from home, and only have the one computer with me. |
| 19:44.30 | KdeKris | I won't be back home till next year either. |
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| 19:45.21 | KdeKris | Plus there's stuff saved on the debian side that I need for what I'm doing here. Which, I could figure out how to access through the windows 10 boot, but would rather just fix the debian kernel and boot that. |
| 19:45.27 | annadane | i wasn't talking about your issue, sorry if it came off that way |
| 19:45.31 | blackflow | KdeKris: so what's the problem? What broke? |
| 19:45.34 | annadane | prior discussion from when you weren't here |
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| 19:45.48 | KdeKris | No, you're good. I'm just agitated from dealing with this. My bad |
| 19:47.10 | KdeKris | Oh, and I booted all three of the older kernel versions installed and got the same thing.... command line login and "startx" returned "cannot connect to xserver" |
| 19:47.31 | greycat | at that point you read the Xorg.0.log file which is probably in ~/.local/ |
| 19:47.43 | greycat | .local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log |
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| 19:49.22 | KdeKris | I did, but couldn't make heads or tails of it. I'm sure I can figure out how to access it from here in windows and upload it, but it's already almost 10pm here and I gotta be up early. I'll keep plugging away at it if I have time tomorrow. |
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| 19:51.48 | Neddih | hi. I am using OpenVPN 2.4.0 x86_64-pc-linux-gnu (The one that comes with Debian 9.5 stretch) - and I have multiple openvpn processes / configs running and they all work fine, except the one that uses the interface eth0:0 that is set in /etc/network/interfaces - openvpn starts before that IP defined on eth0:0 is up, but after eth0 is up. |
| 19:51.58 | Neddih | The previous openvpn version (default openvpn version on debian wheezy) worked fine yesterday before I upgraded to debian stretch, all with the same interface and openvpn configs. Now i am getting a fatal error that results in exiting when openvpn is starting on boot - "TCP/UDP: Socket bind failed on local address [AF_INET]10.29.7.1:13456: Cannot assign requested address" |
| 19:52.46 | annadane | ooh. got the right version too, like 2 days after release :P |
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| 19:53.37 | annadane | "9.4... shit, i mean, 9.5..." |
| 19:53.52 | somiaj | Neddih: but it works fine if you run the openvpn service after the eth0:0 is up? I do know there is some changes with how virtual interfaces work with ip, but maybe you just need to edit the openvpn service to wait a little longer before starting. |
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| 19:54.24 | Neddih | somiaj, yes, it works fine afterwards |
| 19:54.52 | somiaj | Neddih: systemctl edit servicename should alow you to edit the unit file, and maybe adjust its dependencies. |
| 19:55.10 | somiaj | I am unsure the best approach for the openvpn service as I don't use it |
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| 20:02.51 | Neddih | somiaj, are you able to help me or, if you really can't, point me towards the appropriate documentation?< |
| 20:02.58 | Neddih | if possible :) |
| 20:03.40 | DaFluffyPotato | So I've had a kinda broken laptop for a while. I've got debian installed and got it fully running once, which lasted for about a week before I accidentally let it run out of power. |
| 20:03.48 | DaFluffyPotato | It hasn't been able to boot debian since |
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| 20:04.14 | somiaj | well look at the unit file, there is a After=, or Requre=, that you can use to ensure services run in the proper order. |
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| 20:04.31 | DaFluffyPotato | can anyone help me? ._. |
| 20:04.45 | somiaj | Neddih: you can man systemd.service for the doc, or check out systemd documentation online |
| 20:04.58 | coolstar | hi, is there a channel for developers? have some questions regarding libapt |
| 20:05.16 | somiaj | coolstar: what is your question? |
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| 20:05.39 | somiaj | coolstar: such as is your question about the software apt, and using/linking against libpat? |
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| 20:05.56 | coolstar | would like to know if there's any available documentation on libapt (like the classes and API's I can use from the library) |
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| 20:06.07 | coolstar | somiaj: using and linking against libapt |
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| 20:06.35 | somiaj | coolstar: I can't think of any channel that would have apt developers in it, and outside of looking at the source code, unsure on documentation about teh api. |
| 20:06.40 | DaFluffyPotato | btw, the last thing shown before the screen goes black and it hands is "recovering journal" |
| 20:06.56 | somiaj | coolstar: mailing lists maybe prefered, let me see if I can find an appropriate one |
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| 20:08.03 | coolstar | also have to say, it's cute the IRC bot is named dpkg :) |
| 20:08.23 | somiaj | coolstar: https://lists.debian.org/devel.html |
| 20:08.56 | somiaj | coolstar: There is a debian-devel mailing lists, but I think this is more overall develpment and packages, not apt specifically. debian-dpkg looks the most appropraite, since I don't see a debian-apt mailing list |
| 20:09.37 | coolstar | alright, I'll try debian-dpkg then |
| 20:10.01 | coolstar | also damn some of those mailing lists are older than me lol |
| 20:10.17 | annadane | bleh, how does one bring down the virtual network in virt-manager |
| 20:10.21 | annadane | forget the virsh way to do it |
| 20:10.57 | annadane | net-destroy, apparently |
| 20:11.27 | somiaj | coolstar: there is #debian-apt and #debian-dpkg on irc.oftc.net. Though mailing lists are still a bit better for actually getting resposnes from developers, just a little slower. |
| 20:11.41 | somiaj | coolstar: https://wiki.debian.org/IRC |
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| 20:12.49 | somiaj | annadane: man virsh, looks like it is virsh net-destroy networkname |
| 20:13.03 | coolstar | somiaj: awesome, thanks |
| 20:13.31 | somiaj | annadane: I don't see a gui option for this in virt-manager |
| 20:13.51 | annadane | ip a shows it but net-destroy virbr0 doesn't work |
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| 20:14.38 | somiaj | annadane: edit -> connection details -> virtual networks, seems you can bring them up/down there. |
| 20:14.50 | somiaj | annadane: virsh net-list --all to see the status |
| 20:14.54 | annadane | ...wow i'm an idiot |
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| 20:15.55 | somiaj | annadane: don't say that, things are easy to overlook. (: |
| 20:15.56 | annadane | thanks |
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| 20:18.43 | curious_ | Hallo everyone. I'm trying to build a custom package from nginx 1.14 version (downloaded from nginx.org/download) on Debian Stretch to add some dynamic modules, configs, etc. We have a private repo, so I would like to rename the package (e.g. nginx-custom), so we can install this special version where it's needed. What would be the easiest/proper way to rename the package after adding custom settings in debian/rules? Any help and hin |
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| 20:20.57 | greycat | curious_: the 1.13.3 in stretch-backports isn't good enough? |
| 20:24.13 | somiaj | curious_: update the debian/control file for package names, though I'm with greycat, and maybe the 1.13.3 in stretch-backports is good enough (though almost sounds like you are also modifiying build flags) |
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| 20:26.55 | curious_ | greycat: somiaj: Thanks for the quick replies. I've started with 1.10.3-1 and modified the building flags. At the end I've had over 10 deb files. However using 14.0 version from upstream, I will end up probably with just one dep file. Back to the renaming, editing debian/control alone didn't help. |
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| 20:29.28 | curious_ | greycat: somiaj: And sorry for being such a noob. I've never build any packages, so this is my experience for past 24 hours! |
| 20:29.49 | greycat | Most Debian users never build a package from upstream sources. |
| 20:29.56 | somiaj | curious_: you may want to look into the debian new matainers guide for details on how to build packages to edit things correctly (I don't know off teh top of my head). There is also #packaging on irc.oftc.net that maybe able to provdie better help. |
| 20:30.06 | Peyam | how do I install libc6:i386 on debian? |
| 20:30.19 | somiaj | RebelCoder: apt install libc6:i386 |
| 20:30.23 | somiaj | !multiarch |
| 20:30.23 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
| 20:30.41 | somiaj | Peyam: arg, see what I said to RebelCoder (hit wrong key), and you may need to enable multiarch first |
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| 20:31.25 | annadane | i can't think of a situation where you "may" have to enable multiarch |
| 20:31.29 | annadane | i'd think it's mandatory |
| 20:31.40 | greycat | "unless you already did it" |
| 20:31.40 | Peyam | annadane, I need it to program ARM programing |
| 20:32.20 | Peyam | I tried dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update |
| 20:32.27 | Peyam | didn't work with and without sudo |
| 20:32.48 | greycat | Peyam: what arch are you actually on? What happened when you did that? |
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| 20:33.04 | Peyam | greycat, wait a sec |
| 20:33.23 | klys | echo Apt::Artchitecture "amd64" >> /etc/apt/apt.conf; echo Apt::Architectures "i386 amd64" >> /etc/apt/apt.conf; dpkg --add-architecture i386; editor /etc/apt/sources.list; deb [arch=amd64,i386] http:...; apt-get update; apt-get install libc6:i386 |
| 20:33.42 | somiaj | Peyam: are you runngin on arm hardware? |
| 20:33.49 | Peyam | http://paste.debian.net/1034152/ |
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| 20:34.15 | Peyam | no I want to install their CCS5 from Texas instrument and it requires that |
| 20:34.57 | Peyam | http://paste.debian.net/1034153/ |
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| 20:35.28 | klys | peyam hey man |
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| 20:35.39 | Peyam | klys hi |
| 20:35.47 | annadane | improper sudo permissions? |
| 20:35.50 | rant | o.O permission denied on one and not the other.. |
| 20:35.59 | klys | please generate apt.conf and sources.list |
| 20:36.08 | Peyam | annadane, well I did it. |
| 20:36.16 | Peyam | klys, how? |
| 20:36.22 | klys | I said |
| 20:36.35 | Peyam | apt.conf ? |
| 20:36.49 | klys | read |
| 20:36.59 | annadane | echo Apt::Artchitecture "amd64" >> /etc/apt/apt.conf; echo Apt::Architectures "i386 amd64" >> /etc/apt/apt.conf; dpkg --add-architecture i386; editor /etc/apt/sources.list; deb [arch=amd64,i386] http:...; apt-get update; apt-get install libc6:i386 |
| 20:37.09 | Peyam | how do I generate it Mr klys . |
| 20:37.23 | Peyam | annadane, is it what I need to write in terminal? |
| 20:37.33 | klys | as root, yes |
| 20:37.34 | annadane | no, you need to yell it at the computer |
| 20:37.48 | rant | something else is going on if that first paste said permission denied and the 2nd did not |
| 20:38.06 | somiaj | I don't see why you need to add that stuff to apt.conf, dpkg --add-architecture should be enough (if running amd64) |
| 20:38.08 | Peyam | http://i.imgur.com/kpPS5ad.png |
| 20:38.36 | curious_ | somiaj: Thanks for the tips. |
| 20:38.37 | annadane | aaaahhhh the screenshot from hell |
| 20:39.08 | klys | edit the file as root and add the [...] stuff. |
| 20:39.45 | curious_ | greycat: Thank you too. Well, I'm in a situation that I need to build a new package and compile it with naxsi, shibboleth, etc. and add some custom configuration. |
| 20:40.00 | Peyam | what? |
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| 20:40.13 | rant | I think you're confusing the issue, as was pointed out this is not necessary and Peyam posted two pastes using sudo, one said permission denied and the other did nott |
| 20:40.28 | Peyam | why do you have to take the hard way. just tell me to open sourcelis as root. I hate that nano |
| 20:41.10 | klys | peyam, can you edit as root the file /etc/apt/sources.list and add [...] |
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| 20:41.22 | Peyam | add "[...]"? |
| 20:41.36 | klys | what I said above, please read again |
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| 20:42.18 | Peyam | I can't see what you wrote? |
| 20:42.19 | Peyam | :( |
| 20:42.39 | Peyam | I'm sorry I guess I'm stressed out |
| 20:42.44 | klys | deb [arch=amd64,i386] http:... |
| 20:43.00 | rant | Peyam: use su or sudo su to become root in a tterminal first and foremost, the prompt will change from $ to # |
| 20:43.01 | Peyam | no http? |
| 20:43.04 | somiaj | klys: that shouldn't be needed, just follow the factoid |
| 20:43.25 | somiaj | apt will automatically use all arches supported by dpkg |
| 20:43.48 | Peyam | klys, so it does not need any specified http? |
| 20:43.52 | greycat | you shouldn't have to edit sources.list by hand *at all* for adding i386 to an amd64 machine |
| 20:43.52 | rant | Peyam: second ignore what klys is saying and just run thte dpkg-archiecture --add i386 command again witthout the && apt-get update |
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| 20:44.04 | Peyam | rant, okej |
| 20:44.08 | somiaj | !multiarch |
| 20:44.08 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
| 20:44.13 | somiaj | again, taht is all you should need to do |
| 20:44.41 | rant | Peyam: if that produces and error, show us, if not then enter the apt-get update and show us if that produces an error |
| 20:45.05 | Peyam | okey it didn't give any error with out the && .. |
| 20:45.09 | Peyam | now I do update |
| 20:45.44 | rant | idk what happened before but it was hard to narrow down with both commands being run on same command |
| 20:45.57 | Peyam | https://paste.debian.net/1034158/ |
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| 20:46.27 | Peyam | so do I need to install lib 32? |
| 20:46.31 | Peyam | or is it added now? |
| 20:46.56 | klys | you have a special error. |
| 20:46.57 | rant | its added now but your cache for i386 is incomplete due to some odd looking errors |
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| 20:47.20 | rant | its probably functional enough to proceed, however these issues should probably be addressed |
| 20:47.25 | Peyam | rant, is it because of my source.list |
| 20:47.59 | somiaj | the repo having trouble seems to be offical, so unsure why you are getting that error |
| 20:48.35 | rant | Peyam: your sources list is correct, I believe butt somethting odd happened on security.. can you paste just your line for deb http://security.debian.org here so we can be sure? |
| 20:48.59 | rant | your image was hard to see due to the color scheme |
| 20:49.04 | rant | but it looked correct |
| 20:49.07 | Peyam | deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main |
| 20:49.12 | somiaj | might as well paste the whole sources.list, but it could be somethign else causing the problem. |
| 20:49.31 | rant | yes it wouldnt hurt but we have an image link showing the sources.list |
| 20:49.48 | Peyam | now apt update gives no error |
| 20:49.56 | somiaj | you could try changing security.debian.org to deb.debian.org and use the more modern redirector. |
| 20:50.05 | klys | "stretch/updates"? |
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| 20:50.13 | klys | or stretch-updates |
| 20:50.26 | somiaj | maybe there was a problem with downloading the file, and apt dectected it was corrupted |
| 20:50.33 | somiaj | klys: stretch/updates is correct, stretch-updates is something else |
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| 20:50.40 | rant | deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free is mine.. the only key difference is the trailing slash on the url |
| 20:50.45 | Peyam | I just removed the space between # deb |
| 20:50.59 | rant | lines with # are comments and ignored |
| 20:51.11 | klys | oh you're right |
| 20:51.13 | Peyam | https://paste.debian.net/1034161/ |
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| 20:51.51 | Peyam | now it works |
| 20:51.59 | rant | all mine have trailing slashes on them |
| 20:52.21 | somiaj | Peyam: commenting out security sources is a bad idea, remove the # on line 14 |
| 20:52.26 | Peyam | idk where that microsoft comes from https://paste.debian.net/1034162/ |
| 20:52.30 | somiaj | oh wait |
| 20:52.35 | somiaj | you have it there twice, maybe that is the problme |
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| 20:52.45 | Peyam | somiaj, it was a line that I added by misstake |
| 20:52.48 | somiaj | yea remove line 14, and add contrib non-free to line 8, if you want those in your securty sources. |
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| 20:53.15 | annadane | congratulations, you have successfully installed arch linux |
| 20:53.37 | rant | Peyam: you can have additional sources files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 20:53.38 | klys | :) |
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| 20:53.49 | Peyam | rant, ohh you are right |
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| 20:53.57 | rant | annadane: heh, were you talking about debian without security? |
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| 20:54.18 | bozza | is exim4 turned on by default by debian? |
| 20:54.18 | annadane | just the whole past 5 minutes of command sequences |
| 20:54.23 | annadane | no |
| 20:54.25 | klys | arch=amd64,i386, rand. |
| 20:54.33 | klys | arch=amd64,i386, rant. |
| 20:54.47 | rant | klys: arch uses multiarch by default? |
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| 20:54.56 | klys | pun |
| 20:54.57 | rant | never used arch linux |
| 20:55.00 | rant | ah |
| 20:55.16 | rant | doesnt get the joke obviously |
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| 20:55.26 | bozza | I have exim4 that is listening on port 25 by default on my rented debian server. . . is that normal? |
| 20:56.01 | jhutchins_wk | bozza: grep 25 /etc/services |
| 20:56.03 | rant | bozza: last i checked it is the default MTA, yes.. and an MTA is required by linux systtems.. if you dontt want one we have options that satisfy the requirement without a full mta |
| 20:56.31 | Peyam | it still says that I don't have Failed to locate 32-bit system libraries required for installation to continue: libc6-i386 |
| 20:56.36 | annadane | no MTA comes isntalled by default |
| 20:56.36 | greycat | bozza: it's not abnormal... |
| 20:56.38 | Peyam | when I try to install something |
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| 20:56.47 | jhutchins_wk | !multiarch |
| 20:56.47 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
| 20:57.01 | annadane | Peyam, you did apt update first? |
| 20:57.03 | rant | Peyam: the package you are insttalling is probably incorrect |
| 20:57.03 | greycat | annadane: on a "rented server" you get whatever the hosting company decided would be a good default |
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| 20:57.13 | Peyam | annadane, yes |
| 20:57.14 | annadane | i'm responding to rant |
| 20:57.22 | klys | peyam, libc6:i386 or libc6-i386 ? |
| 20:57.24 | rant | jhutchins_wk: you're late to the game we've been over that extensively |
| 20:57.30 | annadane | which... i guess that didn't address it anyway |
| 20:57.38 | annadane | shuts up |
| 20:57.40 | rant | klys: my point he package name is incorrect |
| 20:57.44 | bozza | rant: will I be able to uninstall it to install a different mail server? |
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| 20:58.17 | rant | bozza: no, installing anoher will conflict and replace i, uninstalling the mta will break the system causing most everyhing on he systtem to be removed |
| 20:58.36 | bozza | :O |
| 20:58.39 | rant | sorry folk for my ttyping.. something is awry here causing sever lag :P |
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| 20:59.57 | klys | bozza, are you portscanning for security reasons? a mail transfer agent is a service that allows users to send and fetch email. |
| 21:00.05 | bites | why would it break the system? |
| 21:00.30 | rant | bites: because it'd be like removing libc6 almost.. virtually everything depends on an mta somewhere down the line |
| 21:00.44 | rant | you have to install an alternative not just remove the mta |
| 21:00.59 | bozza | klys: yes I am looking at what ports are open on my server |
| 21:01.07 | rant | MTA must be provided or you'll wind up with ton of packages being removed |
| 21:01.18 | bozza | cool cool klys and rant |
| 21:01.28 | bites | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.35 | bozza | hmm if I want to have a mailserver inside a docker container, wont exim be in conflict ? |
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| 21:02.09 | bites | hmm.. does that resolce correctly? mabe not. |
| 21:02.09 | rant | bites: maybe sometthing has changed or you have something else satisying the MTA dependency |
| 21:02.15 | bites | * resolve |
| 21:02.32 | bites | i thought cron dependet on a mta, but it's only recommend |
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| 21:02.47 | bites | meh, it's too late, my english is broken. |
| 21:02.53 | klys | bozza, you may be coming from a background where your network services are blocked or firewalled due to a differing security philosophy from that espoused by the debian project. |
| 21:03.13 | rant | I'm operating on really old info maybe.. but hisorically most a system depends somehow on an MTA |
| 21:03.50 | rant | the reason being there is no way to log when SHTF |
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| 21:04.24 | rant | most things use emaiil as part of thheir loggfcilties |
| 21:04.52 | rant | and I apparently need to get another keyboard or something :P |
| 21:05.18 | bozza | klys: probably |
| 21:05.26 | rant | though having just moved closer the problem has seemed to have disappeared might just be 2.4ghz interference |
| 21:05.31 | bozza | most likely actually klys :) |
| 21:06.21 | klys | bozza, consider who advised you to portscan in the first place and whether there systems run sshd or even respond to ping requests. |
| 21:06.32 | klys | their* |
| 21:06.49 | bozza | klys: I am setting up a server for myself |
| 21:06.56 | bozza | I want to selfhost some web apps |
| 21:07.21 | klys | bozza, good stuff. bless you |
| 21:07.25 | bozza | :) |
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| 21:07.54 | bozza | just running the port scan to see what is going on in the system |
| 21:08.05 | bozza | the OS was installed through a script by the server provider |
| 21:08.15 | klys | bozza, netstat -a might help too |
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| 21:09.04 | bozza | netstat -tulpn worked quite nicely |
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| 21:09.17 | bozza | netstat -a is giving me A LOT of /systemd processes |
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| 21:10.35 | hypn0 | | grep ? |
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| 21:12.39 | bozza | https://justpaste.it/5x05d |
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| 21:13.08 | bozza | also getting some udev procs and a bunch of other things |
| 21:13.33 | bozza | just one udev |
| 21:13.41 | bozza | but if I had to guess it all looks fine |
| 21:14.27 | klys | netstat -tulpn is tcp udp listening program numeric |
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| 21:15.45 | klys | therefore instead, I suggest netstat -atulpn |
| 21:15.51 | klys | :) |
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| 21:17.41 | bozza | ooh nice!!! TY klys |
| 21:18.10 | bozza | klys: very cool! |
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| 21:18.17 | klys | sure |
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| 21:18.31 | bozza | that gives a much nicer view,, and I can see myself connecting to the sshd server |
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| 21:20.38 | klys | one of those commands where there's more to remember in the option string, such as tar Jxpvf file.tar.xz |
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| 21:21.43 | bozza | oooh yea I dont like the untar command.. I google that every single time ha |
| 21:22.04 | bozza | but atulpn is easy to remember .. A tulip n |
| 21:22.13 | bozza | without the i |
| 21:22.29 | klys | and... ps waux |
| 21:22.52 | mspe | you don't need J when you use x with tar |
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| 21:23.32 | bozza | what is ps waux? |
| 21:23.36 | bozza | I only know ps aux |
| 21:23.48 | klys | it's the wide version of the process list |
| 21:24.26 | bozza | awesome |
| 21:24.29 | hypn0 | why not jut htop :-) |
| 21:24.35 | bozza | hehe |
| 21:24.45 | bozza | vi or nano? |
| 21:24.48 | hypn0 | or atop is it |
| 21:25.33 | klys | bozza, my editor recently is joe, since you ask |
| 21:25.45 | bozza | ooh never heard of it.. will google |
| 21:25.58 | bozza | vi has some crazy commands to just exit the damn app. :q! .. dont like it .. nano is simple and functional |
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| 21:26.42 | bozza | :( Sourceforge project sites are currently under maintenance. Please check back later. We thank you for your patience. |
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| 21:27.46 | bozza | ok brb , going to the gas station to get a drink |
| 21:27.51 | bozza | 11PM here |
| 21:28.06 | blackflow | don't drink and drive linux systems. |
| 21:28.42 | bozza | hahaha blackflow |
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| 21:33.13 | rant | I've suggested before making one of those breath testers for granting root perms |
| 21:33.34 | rant | seen cases where such a thing would be warranted |
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| 22:59.23 | graff | i am wanting to upgrade my debian system |
| 22:59.25 | graff | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-uptodate.en.html |
| 22:59.37 | graff | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:59.43 | graff | does this seem correct? |
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| 22:59.56 | graff | we've used apt-get not aptitude, so I figure we should stick with it |
| 23:00.27 | HeXiLeD | what would be the lightest browser available on debian repos that works with flash and ajax ? |
| 23:00.29 | graff | all I care about is getting the relevant security updates. not interested versions or features |
| 23:00.47 | graff | as in, if possible I;d prefer to not upgrade to a whole new release |
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| 23:17.51 | foul_owl | Whats the canonical tool for floating ip failover? keepalived? Or something else? |
| 23:18.00 | foul_owl | Just trying to set up an HA ssh bastion |
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| 23:25.27 | mnuhmnuh | graff_: which release are you using? |
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| 23:26.27 | mnuhmnuh | that is the correct command; i use apt-get myself. |
| 23:27.47 | mnuhmnuh | lsb_release -a |
| 23:28.02 | graff_ | thank you |
| 23:28.10 | graff_ | still trashed our gitlab installation though |
| 23:28.28 | graff_ | not debian's fault. just gitlab's coordination with the upgrading |
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| 23:28.54 | graff_ | sorting out the mess now. we're going to need to find a CI with less dependencies |
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| 23:29.13 | ifrah | Hi |
| 23:29.21 | graff_ | mnuhmnuh: it is debian 9. stetch I think |
| 23:30.08 | graff_ | will get more info in a bit, feeling despondent about having my site down |
| 23:30.20 | mnuhmnuh | see the manpage for apt-get. there's a couple or three "upgrade" types you can do. |
| 23:30.34 | graff_ | even backups didn't work this time, so somethign left some residue that will need to be deleted out before they can take |
| 23:31.13 | mnuhmnuh | !tea graff. |
| 23:31.14 | dpkg | hands graff. a nice lukewarm little porcelain cup of tea with milk. |
| 23:31.17 | graff_ | mnuhmnuh: yeah, that is a bit confusing. i should be practicing daily upgrades on less critical servers so i can get the hang of it and know what is an error to report to whom |
| 23:31.23 | graff_ | :p |
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| 23:35.24 | CodeHunter | Debian only shows up to 1024x768 resolution, but my monitor has a max resolution of 1600x1200. I used xrandr to force it to use 1600x1200, but running some programs like VLC, wine programs, and others the programs are quite large as if it is still using the lower 1024x768 resolution. Is there any way to correct this? |
| 23:35.29 | mnuhmnuh | i may be confing apt-get w apt; the former has upgrade and dist-upgrade (i use this) apt has more option? checking. |
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| 23:36.35 | mnuhmnuh | no, apt uses full-upgrade instead of dist- ... |
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| 23:37.49 | DunningFreddyKru | is the debdelta / localepurge situation fixed yet? |
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| 23:39.46 | CodeHunter | Is my description understandable? |
| 23:41.42 | graff_ | mnuhmnuh: there should be 1 way to do this |
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| 23:41.56 | graff_ | not 3^3 |
| 23:42.09 | graff_ | which is how many ways there currently appear to be |
| 23:42.18 | mnuhmnuh | seen distrowatch lately? |
| 23:42.21 | graff_ | well, 3*3 |
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| 23:43.10 | Tom-_ | CodeHunter, yeah i think it's understandable |
| 23:43.20 | mnuhmnuh | KISS - apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade |
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