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| 01:46.51 | davis | I read that this would stop my x-windows from autoresizing when I grab them. gsettings set org.gnome.shell.overrides edge-tiling false |
| 01:47.09 | davis | howwever my windows still autoenlarge at times |
| 01:47.25 | davis | do I need to put this in a file at startup rather than issue in xterm? |
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| 01:50.53 | mnuhmnuh | gnome settings editor, i think. dunno how it's called. |
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| 02:02.56 | rant | im not sure either as i dont use gnome but sounds like gsettings is similar to gconf or dconf and that sets an option in a persistent config file |
| 02:03.34 | rant | id look at manpage for that command were i in your position |
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| 03:28.19 | hamersaw | i'm attempting to install on a new lenovo x1 carbon gen6. i've attempted stretch and buster and both i get the install screen and then regardless of which option i choose (ie. graphical install, install, expert install, etc) the screen goes blank. |
| 03:28.48 | hamersaw | some searches have been saying the kernel is too old for the new hardware, shouldn't trying buster solve that? |
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| 03:34.46 | karuvally | hamersaw, ThinkPads are generally known to be issue free when it comes to Linux |
| 03:35.07 | karuvally | did you try any other distro? |
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| 03:38.09 | rant | historically but lenovo has been changing that |
| 03:39.05 | rant | you can use newer kernels on stable but if it wont boot with stretch kernel thats a bit trickier |
| 03:39.14 | rant | ,kernels |
| 03:39.15 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.17.0-1-686-pae (4.17.6-2); buster: 4.16.0-2-686 (4.16.16-2); stretch-backports: 4.16.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.16.16-2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-7-686-pae (4.9.110-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.7-686-pae (4.9.110-1~deb8u1); wheezy-backports: |
| 03:39.16 | judd | 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1) |
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| 03:39.49 | rant | buster kernel is in stretch backports |
| 03:40.11 | rant | no need to go testing just for that |
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| 03:43.10 | rant | hamersaw: fwiw someone was just in here earlier sayin they went gen 5 cause gen6 had some known issues with linux |
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| 03:43.20 | hamersaw | karuvally: not yet, i was going to try ubuntu. |
| 03:43.44 | hamersaw | rant: interesting. i didn't even think twice about the gen6 because lenovo has had such a great track record with linux ... guess that's what i get! |
| 03:44.10 | rant | hamersaw: id check thinkwiki |
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| 04:56.01 | NewGnuGuy | The .iso and .torrent files for Debian 8.8.0 appear to be missing from within https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/8.8.0/ |
| 04:56.16 | NewGnuGuy | Anyone know what happened to them? |
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| 04:57.23 | rant | latest Jessie is 8.11 iirc |
| 04:57.52 | rant | !8.11 |
| 04:57.54 | dpkg | Debian 8.11 is the final point release for Debian 8 "Jessie" and was released on 2018-06-23. The point release corrects some serious bugs and copies security updates across to the main archive, see https://www.debian.org/News/2018/20180623 and http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/ChangeLog . To upgrade, ask me about <point release>. This marks the end of official support for Jessie; ask me about <jessie-lts>. |
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| 04:58.48 | NewGnuGuy | I know that 8.11 is the lastest version of 8. I'm specifically looking for the missing files for 8.8.0. |
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| 05:00.52 | rant | idk im out on i99 headin to nyc dont have an answer for ya |
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| 05:08.28 | Tom-_ | well there's this acrhive site for debian packages |
| 05:08.31 | Tom-_ | i don't remember it now |
| 05:09.02 | Tom-_ | snapshot.debian.org |
| 05:09.05 | Tom-_ | !snapshot |
| 05:09.09 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
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| 05:14.59 | NewGnuGuy | Tom-_: That contains old versions of the package repos. I'm looking for old ISOs which should all be under https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive but the folder for 8.8.0 is missing all of its ISOs and BitTorrent files. |
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| 05:26.41 | Tom-_ | i think it doesn't keep old ISOs |
| 05:26.46 | Tom-_ | that's a lot of harddisk space :) |
| 05:27.59 | NewGnuGuy | Doesn't explain the lack of the torrent files though |
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| 06:17.02 | rant | we dont even keep current iso anymore |
| 06:17.43 | rant | just a few of most recent |
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| 06:24.13 | ozfalcon | Just updated Buster, And $XDG_VTNR doesn't seem to be set. Is this documented anywhere? |
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| 08:06.29 | sumyunseal | wtg |
| 08:06.35 | sumyunseal | i cant get into stretch |
| 08:08.44 | sumyunseal | did they change grub? |
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| 08:19.53 | sumyunseal | ok so clearly grub is not finding stretch |
| 08:20.00 | sumyunseal | from wheezy |
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| 08:34.05 | KdeKris | For anyone who was following my trials and tribulations with hardware acceleration earlier this week. The trick was to upgrade to Debian Testing branch. The stable branch just doesn't have the correct packages and dependencies. |
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| 08:48.31 | peanatsu | hello. I dont like "locate" running updatedb cronjobs regularly and dont use it anyway (find is fast enough). Is it ok to simply "aptitude remove locate" ? |
| 08:48.56 | peanatsu | I just did this, but the daily cronjob for updatedb (which is now no longer installed) hasnt been removed |
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| 08:49.21 | peanatsu | I can do this manually of course, but it makes me wonder whether other parts of the system will assume "locate" to exist |
| 08:50.12 | peanatsu | Im on Debian stable (stretch) |
| 08:50.45 | sumyunseal | ummm |
| 08:51.39 | themill | The package is mlocate not locate. It's also not a particularly intensive cron job; it's not 1996 any more. |
| 08:51.49 | sumyunseal | themill, |
| 08:51.58 | sumyunseal | dood iam stuck |
| 08:52.31 | sumyunseal | grub is not working |
| 08:52.45 | peanatsu | hm, so "locate" package is something else entirely? |
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| 08:54.41 | themill | peanatsu: oh, I'd forgotten locate still existed. Yes, that's the rather old version and its cron job will give your disk a good thrashing |
| 08:54.53 | sumyunseal | y cant i boot from debian7 to debian9 |
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| 08:55.06 | sumyunseal | grubupdate wont find it |
| 08:55.11 | themill | peanatsu: have a look at the package descriptions for the two packages; you want mlocate not locate these days |
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| 08:55.51 | peanatsu | I want neither, frankly. I was just worried that the cronjob wasnt deleted automatically. but it has "[ -e /usr/bin/updatedb.findutils ] || exit 0" at the beginning so I suppose it's fine |
| 08:56.47 | peanatsu | But thanks for the info. I didnt know there were different locate versions.. |
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| 08:58.44 | themill | You'd purge the package for the config files (such as cron jobs) to go away |
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| 09:00.11 | d3vnull | i believe locate is gnu....if it is locate only shows world readable files...mlocate shows everything so a normal user can see all the files in /root/bin as an example |
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| 09:02.25 | peanatsu | Oh wow. Thanks, that did it! (I guess I didnt consider a cronjob a "config file") |
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| 09:24.29 | KdeKris | This line, "OpenGL renderer string: AMD BONAIRE (DRM 2.50.0, 4.16.0-2-amd64, LLVM 6.0.1)" means I'm using hardware acceleration as opposed to software rendering, correct? |
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| 09:27.40 | dutchfish | KdeKris, yes, at least it tries too. To be sure that it is actually working you need mesa-utils and invoke `glxinfo | grep "direct rendering"` |
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| 09:28.49 | KdeKris | "direct rendering: Yes" forgot about checking that, thanks. Looks like I'm good. |
| 09:29.06 | dutchfish | KdeKris, it sure looks so |
| 09:29.12 | KdeKris | All that crap I went through last week, and All I had to do was upgrade to testing branch. |
| 09:30.07 | dutchfish | KdeKris, yes, i rem. The newer kernels and drm are better in respect to some older amd cards and correctly loading the driver. Alot has been improved in testing. |
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| 09:31.00 | dutchfish | KdeKris, glad to hear you made it so far. |
| 09:31.04 | KdeKris | I don't know why I was so against the idea of just switching to the testing branch. Oh well. Lessons learned |
| 09:31.37 | dutchfish | KdeKris, i use testing on my own desktop, but not for production runs or servers. |
| 09:32.06 | dutchfish | KdeKris, that has worked for me for years. |
| 09:32.32 | KdeKris | I'm a bit of an idiot sometimes I guess. Not really any reason not to use testing unless you absolutely HAVE to have the stability. |
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| 09:32.36 | antto | hm, there are newer-ish drivers for old-ish amd video cards in "testing" ? |
| 09:33.24 | KdeKris | antto, technically, it's the same driver, just a new version. |
| 09:33.40 | dutchfish | antto, alot has been improved in the newer kernels and newer drm/mesa. But rem, it is still testing. Sometimes, stuff breaks in there. |
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| 09:34.10 | antto | of course.. that's why it's not called "stable" ;P~ |
| 09:34.18 | dutchfish | ;) |
| 09:34.37 | antto | is there some easy way to try those drivers? |
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| 09:39.20 | dutchfish | antto, that depends on your hardware. Most of the 1..2years old hardware runs fine on stable as it is, so maybe there is no need too. |
| 09:39.59 | dutchfish | antto, on newer stuff, you might want to try Debian/testing. |
| 09:40.08 | dutchfish | (as a rule of thumb) |
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| 09:41.19 | dutchfish | antto, if you are not sure (i do most of the time research before i buy new hardware), start with stable. |
| 09:42.04 | antto | i bought a radeon R5 230 without reasearching, because it had to be low-profile and low-power |
| 09:42.14 | antto | trying to see what year it's from |
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| 09:43.43 | KdeKris | antto, if you're running debian stretch stable, you can run 'glxinfo | grep OpenGL' It'll give you a lot of important information about your rendering and opengl/mesa version |
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| 09:44.08 | antto | i tried glxinfo -B |
| 09:44.26 | KdeKris | What's the output? |
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| 09:44.38 | antto | but i can't compute that into a "year" ;P~ |
| 09:45.00 | antto | okay, wikipedia says 2014 |
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| 09:46.47 | KdeKris | I'd think you'll be fine on stable. I'd check 'glxinfo | grep OpenGL' as well to see what the output says for OpenGL renderer string and direct rendering |
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| 09:47.04 | antto | wasn't there some command to put the output of a command into a pastebin? |
| 09:47.18 | KdeKris | I haven't got a clue |
| 09:47.29 | dutchfish | !pastebinit |
| 09:47.30 | KdeKris | I just hightlight, copy, paste. |
| 09:47.38 | dpkg | A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 09:47.47 | antto | KdeKris it's long |
| 09:48.16 | antto | ah.. hm |
| 09:48.47 | KdeKris | dutchfish, I've GOT to install that. Thanks. Does it work with logging in to pastebin? |
| 09:49.30 | dutchfish | KdeKris, grep [phrase] /path/whatever.log | pastebinit |
| 09:49.54 | antto | KdeKris, http://paste.debian.net/hidden/4afd472e/ |
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| 09:51.03 | KdeKris | Looks like you have direct rendering |
| 09:51.18 | KdeKris | direct rendering: Yes |
| 09:51.34 | KdeKris | OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on AMD CAICOS (DRM 2.49.0 / 4.9.0-6-rt-amd64, LLVM 3.9.1) |
| 09:51.45 | antto | yeah, ioquake3 is playable now ;] |
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| 09:52.44 | KdeKris | Before I upgraded to testing, 'direct rendering' showed yes, but OpenGL renderer string would show llvmpipe, which was software rendering. Which made a lot of games unplayable. |
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| 09:53.36 | antto | i wonder what "unified memory = no" means |
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| 09:55.19 | dutchfish | antto, alng with newer kernels an dnewer drm/mesa, more and more features are being incorporated in the open source amd drivers. Not all are implemented in Stretch's ecosystem. |
| 09:55.55 | dutchfish | antto, at least the basic funtionality is there for your card. |
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| 09:56.16 | dutchfish | (if not most of it) |
| 09:56.34 | Iridos | is there something new/different connecting to an X server? I actually wanted to connect x11vnc to :0 ⦠but that fails⦠looking into the issue, I can also not open xterms on :0, even though I set XAUTHORITY to /run/user/1000/gdm/Xauthority |
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| 09:57.13 | antto | yeah, it's just that.. this one program i use (some CAD) has bad rendering performance on external gpu |
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| 09:58.03 | antto | afaik it's because its software rendering is old and it draws into the video memory, which takes much longer when the gpu is external |
| 09:58.29 | antto | i was wondering if that might somehow magically improve with a supposedly newer version of the driver |
| 09:58.33 | dutchfish | Iridos, have you tried the option '-auth guess' mode? |
| 09:58.40 | Iridos | yes |
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| 09:59.12 | dutchfish | Iridos, i dont use it, maybe try the BTS, it could be a kown one. |
| 09:59.21 | dutchfish | known* |
| 09:59.34 | Iridos | I've also looked up XAUTHORITY from the firefox process that is running on :0 on the remote machine |
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| 10:00.23 | Iridos | uuh⦠wait. what I've not seen is that DISPLAY is :1 for that firefox ⦠but I don't see :1 in xauth list |
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| 10:02.34 | Iridos | ah yes, seems that was it⦠there was another weird thing in XAUTHORITY, the display was #ffff#6b616f73#: instead of :1 |
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| 10:04.25 | dutchfish | antto, that card is decent, but dont expect miracles even with hw acc. |
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| 10:10.47 | fpat | strange that dpkg periodically floods itself off the server |
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| 10:11.42 | fpat | s/periodically/repeatedly/ |
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| 10:12.07 | dutchfish | fpat, it was slow as well |
| 10:12.35 | dutchfish | fpat, maybe they are working on it, don't know |
| 10:12.53 | fpat | :) |
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| 10:27.22 | crackpotmark | Regarding custom liveboot USB, is it better to build from scratch or edit a prebuilt one |
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| 10:29.42 | crackpotmark | By custom I mean adding some extra packages and changing some default config |
| 10:30.18 | antto | dutchfish nah, i've not expected miracles, just better performance than the built-in silly intel gpu |
| 10:30.42 | jubo2 | Hello and thanks, thanks, thanks for the most awesome OS for servers |
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| 10:31.16 | jubo2 | I got this one server where the RTC (real time clock) is right on time but the other times given by 'timedatectl' are off by 20 minutes |
| 10:31.56 | jubo2 | how do I set the other clocks into the time that the RTC has _or_ how do I enable NTP? |
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| 10:35.11 | jubo2 | ntp is turned on but it is not synccing |
| 10:38.50 | blackflow | jubo2: what are you talking about? |
| 10:39.09 | jubo2 | A problem with the server's clocks? |
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| 10:39.16 | bhb | hey guys |
| 10:39.39 | blackflow | jubo2: can you pastebin an output for example? what do you mean the rtc is right but times in timedatectl output aren't? |
| 10:39.54 | jubo2 | blackflow: ok.. i ssh in |
| 10:41.12 | jubo2 | blackflow: https://paste.debian.net/1034591/ |
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| 10:41.46 | jubo2 | I probably want to set the NTP to synccing state |
| 10:42.09 | bhb | I'm looking for a driver for a USB... I have scoured the manufacturers website to find the correct driver, however without support for my kernel version 4.16. How hard would it be to path the kernel? Can anyyyybody please kindly advise on where to start? |
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| 10:42.25 | bhb | patch* |
| 10:42.50 | blackflow | jubo2: what does `date` say though? |
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| 10:43.10 | blackflow | that's some weird output in timedatectl. anway, the simplest thing to do is to start systemd-timesyncd.service |
| 10:43.36 | jubo2 | blackflow: date gives the local time or the universal time, not the RTC one |
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| 10:44.11 | jubo2 | blackflow: ok I start systemd-timesyncd.service |
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| 10:45.14 | jubo2 | blackflow: it says "unrecognized service" when I try to start it with 'sudo service start systemd-timesyncd' |
| 10:45.25 | jubo2 | Should I include the .service ? |
| 10:45.28 | blackflow | jubo2: oh you're not on stretch? |
| 10:45.39 | jubo2 | This is a Debian 9.5 |
| 10:45.51 | jubo2 | I don't know about the codenames.. I never learn them |
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| 10:46.20 | blackflow | jubo2: well Debian 9.5 should have the systemd-timesyncd.service present |
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| 10:46.54 | jubo2 | It is a VPS.. maybe the hosting guys' isntall image doesn't have that |
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| 10:47.34 | blackflow | that'd mean a completely custom systemd package. btw..... systemctl start systemd-timesyncd.service |
| 10:48.21 | jubo2 | blackflow: that run without errors |
| 10:48.41 | jubo2 | still says "NTP synchronized: no" |
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| 10:49.12 | blackflow | jubo2: pastebin systemctl status systemd-timesyncd please (no need for .service for this one) |
| 10:49.49 | discovered | In debian i was installed the 960 driver version version 367.35. Perhaps it is somehow updated to 375.82. If i run "./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-367.35.run --uninstall" it says no nvidia driver is installed! How do i remove it? |
| 10:49.50 | blackflow | jubo2: while at it, also please pastebin /etc/systemd/timesyncd.conf |
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| 10:50.15 | discovered | i tried apt-get remove --purge nvidia-* Got another error E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. |
| 10:51.29 | jubo2 | blackflow: https://paste.debian.net/1034592/ |
| 10:52.21 | blackflow | jubo2: ah I see. timesyncd won't start because you have ntpd installed. okay, systemctl status ntpd.service or what is it I don't know by heart, try TAB after ntp |
| 10:53.35 | jubo2 | blackflow: https://paste.debian.net/1034594/ |
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| 10:54.49 | blackflow | jubo2: now please ntpq -p |
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| 10:55.40 | jubo2 | blackflow: https://paste.debian.net/1034595/ |
| 10:56.36 | blackflow | jubo2: right, so your ntpd is not working properly. can you pastebin /etc/ntp.conf ? I think it's that one or /etc/ntpd.conf not sure |
| 10:57.40 | jubo2 | blackflow: https://paste.debian.net/1034596/ |
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| 11:00.13 | blackflow | jubo2: well, dunno what's goin on. Try restarting the ntp.service, see if it'll start syncing up. it's been a while since I used ntp.org's ntpd, not sure what else to do to debug this |
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| 11:00.45 | blackflow | one thing that comes to mind is firewall not allowing udp on port 123 in or out |
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| 11:01.03 | jubo2 | blackflow: ok thanks for your help |
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| 11:01.24 | jubo2 | blackflow: and now that you mention it the firewall does not allow that.. sorry about not thinking of that early-on |
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| 11:02.49 | blackflow | jubo2: so with firewall fixed, you now see it syncing and have correct time? |
| 11:04.18 | jubo2 | Uhh.. I'm not very fluent in IPTABLES .. was ages ago when I wrote the ruleset that allows 22, 53, 80 and 443 |
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| 11:06.03 | blackflow | jubo2: are you using any program to manage iptables? |
| 11:06.19 | jubo2 | nope. wrote the ruleset by hand for a uni assignement |
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| 11:07.00 | blackflow | jubo2: okay and how are you making it effective, that's what I'm asking. |
| 11:07.03 | jubo2 | ohnoes.. running 'sudo iptables -F' just cut off the ssh |
| 11:07.20 | jubo2 | blackflow: uhh.. I'd rather not answer that |
| 11:07.26 | blackflow | see if you can ssh back in, could be just the session is forgotten |
| 11:07.53 | blackflow | jubo2: lemme guess, you ssh in and manually run iptables-restore < myruleset ? :) |
| 11:08.07 | jubo2 | this is embarrancing.. yes |
| 11:08.39 | jubo2 | blackflow: not to worry.. I have VNC access still |
| 11:08.57 | blackflow | jubo2: you can use iptables-persistent package for that. you still have full controll over the ruleset, it's not adding any abstraction to it |
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| 11:09.20 | blackflow | jubo2: flushing the tables should not blo..... oh, you have policy DROP on INPUT? |
| 11:09.33 | jubo2 | I guess I do |
| 11:09.34 | jubo2 | I check |
| 11:09.52 | jubo2 | blackflow: yeah DROP |
| 11:09.59 | blackflow | can you pastebin the ruleset btw? |
| 11:10.05 | jubo2 | As I said I not fluent in IPTABLES |
| 11:10.28 | jubo2 | the iptables rules are just fine.. I just need to adjust to allow port 123 if I want the NTP to work? |
| 11:10.30 | blackflow | jubo2: there's your opportunity to become fluent :) |
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| 11:13.06 | jubo2 | blackflow: Now I see "NTP synchronized: yes" when I run 'timedatectl' but the "Local time" and "Universal time" are still 20 minutes in the past |
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| 11:14.11 | blackflow | jubo2: it takes time for them to sync up. you could force it by running ntpd -gq (stop the ntpd.service first, just in case, I don't know if that works while the service is already running) |
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| 11:15.09 | discovered | should i use win32diskimager for writing to usb? |
| 11:15.13 | jubo2 | blackflow: Ok. Big thanks for your help with this issue. |
| 11:15.24 | blackflow | jubo2: if I were you though, I'd just use the systemd's timesyncd. it's good enough for a VPS (it's not as precise as ntpd, but oyu don't need sub-milisecond precision, do you :) ) |
| 11:15.45 | jubo2 | Just to have the right minute would be fine blackflow |
| 11:15.56 | jubo2 | I set the time manually with 'date' for now |
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| 11:16.11 | blackflow | ntpd is a whole ntp server, not just a client, and often ridden with vulns. it's a bit of a bloat not really needed nowadays, and if you really dislike systemd's facilities, there's openntpd and chrony |
| 11:16.12 | jubo2 | I gonna need to hack the iptables rules to allow port 123 |
| 11:16.28 | blackflow | jubo2: ntpd -gq should've set the time precisely |
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| 11:17.30 | blackflow | jubo2: pastebin your existing ruleset. it's not the same where you insert a new rule, in the existing chain. |
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| 11:18.35 | blackflow | jubo2: also check if you have an external firewall, VPS hosters often have it |
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| 11:19.24 | blackflow | btw, some massive storm cell is approaching on weather radar, so if I disappear, you know why. :) |
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| 11:21.50 | jubo2 | Uhh.. I'm worried about people hacking my server or pointing fingers and laughing if I pastebin my iptables rules |
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| 11:22.17 | jubo2 | .. you know.. coz I'm not very good at iptables so there could be horrible gaping holes in there |
| 11:23.19 | blackflow | jubo2: you won't stop hackers with a firewall... |
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| 11:23.45 | blackflow | if you don't have vulnerable services running, firewall blocking ports that arent' listening won't change a thing. |
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| 11:24.24 | blackflow | and services that shouldn't listen on public interfaces must be configured so, firewall or not. |
| 11:24.26 | jubo2 | blackflow: so you want the iptables commands or the dump? how do I dump the ruleset .. I don't recall |
| 11:25.29 | blackflow | jubo2: pastebin the output of iptables-save |
| 11:25.49 | jubo2 | hold on.. I'm installing 'man' .. the things these VPS come without.. |
| 11:25.50 | blackflow | and ip6tables-save if you have ipv6 ruleset |
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| 11:27.16 | blackflow | jubo2: btw, if you obfuscate any IPs of yours in that dump..... how can anyone know which server that is? On internet, nobody knows you're dog ;) |
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| 11:29.37 | jubo2 | blackflow: This may be a hazard but here is the output of iptables-save https://paste.debian.net/1034605/ |
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| 11:30.25 | jubo2 | blackflow: I'll explain what I was going for.. allow 22, 53, 80 and 443 and definately not allow 3306 |
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| 11:32.00 | Lope | Anyone know how to resolve permission denied for using a disk image with virt-manager? |
| 11:32.09 | blackflow | jubo2: that's unnecessarily complex. First, you don't need such convoluted established,related rules. a single port-independent one at the beginning, for INPUT chain, suffices. and one for OUTPUT chain, if you really must block outgoing like that. |
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| 11:32.42 | blackflow | jubo2: that should fix your ntp issue, as you don't have related,established for port 123 and the kernel can't smartly track outbound and returning udp packets for port 123 |
| 11:32.57 | Lope | I've chowned the disk image to my user. My user is in kvm qemu libvirt libvirt-qemu groups, I've logged out and logged back in again. Every time I start the VM something chowns the disk image to root:root, then I get permission denied. |
| 11:33.12 | hassoon | 40°C outdoors |
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| 11:33.28 | jubo2 | blackflow: whoa.. you some sort of guru for being able to read all that from a iptables-save |
| 11:33.47 | jubo2 | took me hours and hours to get this ruleset that would allow ssh to work |
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| 11:34.39 | blackflow | jubo2: I'm nowhere near an iptables guru though |
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| 11:36.05 | blackflow | jubo2: also, those rules on INPUT chain with --sport 22? What's that for? returning packets when you ssh OUT of that VPS? really a single established-related at teh beginning fixes that. |
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| 11:38.21 | blackflow | jubo2: here's a simple, beginning ruleset: https://dpaste.de/6dGB you add inbound ports after line 25, in same format just varying --dport . this ruleset doesn't block outbound. |
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| 11:39.06 | blackflow | jubo2: use eth0 for -i if that's your interface, I have ens3 in that example |
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| 11:40.50 | SkyBird | Hello there :) |
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| 11:42.02 | SkyBird | I have a question: i am running a openmediavault 4 server with ext4 fs + raid 5 on it. now i want to convert the fs to raid 5 - best without data lost. any suggestions how to solve the problem? |
| 11:42.14 | Lope | I figured out the problem. By default virt-manager connects to qemu:///system instead of qemu:///session . However now on qemu:///session I don't think networking will work. https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/question/45805/how-to-use-virt-manager-as-a-non-root-user/ |
| 11:42.19 | SkyBird | to btrfs .. * |
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| 11:43.51 | jubo2 | Ok thanks for your help and instructions blackflow |
| 11:46.36 | blackflow | jubo2: yw |
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| 11:47.27 | blackflow | SkyBird: you're not making much sense. you don't have raid5 ON ext4, you have ext4 ON raid5 instead. So what do you mean by converting raid5 to raid5? |
| 11:47.58 | SkyBird | yes, thanks backflow. I want to convert the ext4 to btrfs without data lost |
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| 11:48.52 | SkyBird | my english is not that good and i was not smart enough to think about before i use my enter key :( |
| 11:49.27 | blackflow | SkyBird: oh I see. i'm guessing you have mdadm raid5 there? anyway, it's impossible to change that online without backing data up, and reworking the array from btrfs itself, avoiding mdadm altogether. if that's hardware raid5, you can upgrade ext4 to btrfs (in theory, never did that). if you want to use btrfs' raid5 multidisk -- don't, it's broken. if you want to use btrfs atop of hw raid, you can |
| 11:49.33 | blackflow | but... what's the point. |
| 11:51.23 | blackflow | (okay, snapshotting, cow, etc... but no self-healing data checksummed blocks with HW raid) |
| 11:51.28 | SkyBird | yes it's an software raid 5 and i want to convert it since openmediavault will support only btrfs as filesystem in future |
| 11:52.28 | blackflow | SkyBird: you can't. back up data, reinstall with btrfs. but... again... btrfs raid56 has had serious corruption bugs and I don't think those are fixed yet. |
| 11:53.01 | SkyBird | hm, ok that is what i googled before, too. |
| 11:53.18 | SkyBird | damn 14 tb backups are anoying |
| 11:53.48 | SkyBird | thanks a lot anyway^^ |
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| 11:54.43 | blackflow | SkyBird: well you _could_ do some online conversion with a help of a few additional disks, copying in chunks, but if you knew how to do that, you probably wouldn't be asking, and I'm _not_ comfortable helping you with that. |
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| 11:55.36 | SkyBird | :) would be too dangerous anyway |
| 11:55.59 | blackflow | yeah, without backups, I wouldn't dare unless I _really_ had no other option. |
| 11:56.35 | SkyBird | i will just buy 2 10tb hdds and make an internal backup then |
| 11:57.03 | annadane | ...if you find these magical hard drives please do let me know where to buy them |
| 11:57.26 | blackflow | annadane: ? seagate and WD have them, I think they're helium based. |
| 11:57.31 | SkyBird | 10 tb hard drives? |
| 11:57.41 | annadane | i apparently don't know where to shop |
| 11:57.43 | blackflow | ain't even SMR'd |
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| 11:57.59 | SkyBird | https://www.amazon.de/Seagate-ST10000VN004-Interne-Festplatte-IronWolf/dp/B01I4Q9FTI/ |
| 11:58.14 | blackflow | genau |
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| 12:00.00 | blackflow | 10TB are old news now, Seagate has 12TB ironwolves :) |
| 12:00.14 | SkyBird | 24tb is also possible |
| 12:00.25 | SkyBird | read about on golem |
| 12:01.10 | blackflow | yeah but that _has_ to be SMR. I'll flip table if they aren't. |
| 12:01.43 | SkyBird | maybe :) anyway i'll leave now cya |
| 12:01.54 | annadane | can people recommend newegg in terms of choice/quality? |
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| 12:02.21 | blackflow | annadane: I often hear "get it on newegg", but I never did :) |
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| 12:03.11 | p0g0_ | newegg is the resurrected "Egghead Software", from the 1990s. They have been around a long time. |
| 12:03.58 | p0g0_ | I have had declining but decent experiences with them since the 1990s, they are not as consumer oriented as they once were. |
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| 12:05.44 | p0g0_ | Branching out to more products, some sourced from dicey places, some with 'special' warranties and such- so, if it is computer hardware, they are likely a decent vendor, as long as they are the real seller, vs when they are listing someting being actually sold by some other agent. |
| 12:06.02 | p0g0_ | Hope that helped. |
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| 12:10.06 | monty86 | wow newegg is still there? |
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| 12:16.16 | aleksas | having debian 9.5 can't install both emacs25 and emacs25-common-non-dfsg so the info files will be available |
| 12:16.20 | aleksas | have no info there |
| 12:16.45 | annadane | aleksas, what do you mean "can't install", emacs25-common-non-dfsg is in non-free so you need to add it to your sources list |
| 12:17.05 | aleksas | I add non-free repository yes |
| 12:17.24 | annadane | what does it say if you try installing it? paste.debian.net <-- paste there |
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| 12:18.14 | annadane | or do they install successfully? not sure what is meant by info pages |
| 12:18.23 | annadane | unless you mean "info", related to man |
| 12:18.31 | aleksas | yes, but no info file there. in emacs there is documentations |
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| 12:18.45 | aleksas | if I run emacs I got version without them |
| 12:18.57 | siraben | What aleksas means is that "info emacs" doesn't show anything |
| 12:19.00 | aleksas | annadane: https://paste.debian.net/1034614/ |
| 12:19.08 | siraben | aleksas: Have you tried installing info? |
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| 12:19.10 | annadane | no, pretty sure they mean they don't get the manual |
| 12:19.21 | aleksas | no pretty sure I mean no info files |
| 12:19.26 | aleksas | siraben: nope |
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| 12:19.38 | siraben | The Emacs documentation should be available in Emacs through C-h i and info emacs |
| 12:19.48 | aleksas | oh silly me |
| 12:19.51 | siraben | If you have it installed, "info emacs" shows you the manual the same |
| 12:19.53 | aleksas | info package wasn't installed |
| 12:20.01 | aleksas | but didn't know about that |
| 12:20.05 | annadane | oh actual info. ok. |
| 12:20.09 | annadane | good. |
| 12:20.10 | annadane | !next |
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| 12:20.16 | aleksas | thank you siraben! |
| 12:20.17 | annadane | aaaand the bot is still broken |
| 12:20.17 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 12:20.20 | aleksas | thank you annadane |
| 12:20.27 | siraben | No problem aleksas |
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| 12:20.49 | siraben | Maybe info should be added as a dependency to emacs25-common-non-dfsg |
| 12:21.03 | aleksas | would be a good idea I guess |
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| 12:58.18 | Lope | Okay, so I was successful in running and installing a windows VM as a non-root user with qemu:///session. But usermode networking is useless. So I've tried starting virt-manager as root. However I'm still getting permission denied. Really weird. |
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| 13:00.48 | gregor2 | I have entered the command "deluser --delete-all-files wireshark" as root and lots of things got written on stdout. What happened there? Help me! |
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| 13:13.33 | Lope | summary of issue: |
| 13:13.34 | Lope | If I use virt-manager on qemu:///session, it can run VM's with a virtual disk. If I use virt-manager with qemu:///system even though my user is a member of all groups: "kvm qemu libvirt libvirt-qemu" and I've logged out/in since joining groups and `chown bob:bob /tmp/test.img` (or whatever libvirt related groups). When using virt-manager on qemu:///system it cannot access any virtual disk. When I try start the VM on qemu:///system |
| 13:13.34 | Lope | immediately the vdisk gets chowned to root:root, then gives error: "qemu-system-x86_64: -drive file=/tmp/test.img,format=qcow2,if=none,id=drive-ide0-0-0: Could not open '/tmp/test.img': Permission denied" |
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| 13:22.30 | Lope | It works! disabled the security_driver in /etc/libvirt/qemu.conf |
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| 13:42.24 | RoyK | hi all. after a friends machine died (some partitioning issues) she wants to list all install packages, like "dpkg --get-selections" or similar, but then, how can one do this with another dpkg database from a restore? |
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| 13:43.59 | themill | --admindir should work |
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| 13:44.57 | themill | or --rootdir if you've got the entire filessytem image |
| 13:44.58 | tradar | apt-mark showmanual lists manually installed packages |
| 13:45.16 | tradar | the option -f /var/lib/apt/extended_states is the default source state |
| 13:46.11 | tradar | so that you can easily reinstall the packages you had installed before |
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| 14:40.34 | rafalcpp | what package needs to be installed/configured so that tab completion in bash works better, e.g. completes names in apt-get inststall f<tab> |
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| 14:41.24 | abrock | hi |
| 14:41.31 | bites | rafalcpp: bash-completion |
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| 14:42.16 | rafalcpp | bites: already installed |
| 14:42.21 | abrock | I'm trying to burn an audio cd. I used k3b which did claim success and the CD contains the CD text and has the right length etc. but all playback is silent |
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| 14:43.18 | rafalcpp | abrock: on a long shot, perhaps you went deaf? |
| 14:43.30 | abrock | no, I just talked to my parents |
| 14:43.39 | abrock | This is the k3b debug output: http://paste.debian.net/1034637/ |
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| 14:44.22 | bites | rafalcpp: if you are running the command as root and not with sudo you probably need something like . /etc/bash_completion in root's .bashrc |
| 14:44.31 | abrock | also the cuefile and wav file I used are fine, I successfully burned them on windows yesterday |
| 14:45.43 | abrock | I tried to burn it using wodim directly but wodim refuses to even start a simulation: http://paste.debian.net/1034638/ |
| 14:45.48 | rafalcpp | bites: k |
| 14:45.57 | abrock | It tells me to use the -pad option but I already use it, no difference |
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| 14:59.50 | abrock | I'm recreating the audio with all tracks aligned to CD frames |
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| 15:18.58 | abrock | hm, now at least wodim stopped complaining about the track sizes |
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| 15:28.15 | abrock | I thought maybe wodim refuses to pad the last track because the data is too long but that's not the case, I have a second CD project which is shorter than a normal CD and wodim still refuses to pad |
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| 16:00.54 | mnuhmnuh | abrock: brasero has been a good replacement for wodim for me. |
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| 16:03.33 | blackflow | wodim, brasero, cd burning, what year is this! ;) |
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| 16:09.45 | mnuhmnuh | blackflow: sometimes, a cd/dvd is good, sometimes a usbkey. it's good to have a choice. |
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| 16:11.26 | mnuhmnuh | usbkeys are hardly adequate for long term backups. |
| 16:11.35 | mspe- | I can't remember the last time I used an optical medium to boot! |
| 16:12.32 | blackflow | incredibly, so are CD/DVDs. I had a DVD archive that I wanted to copy over to my shiny new ZFS backup thingy and the silver oxide thingy turned to dust. I literally blew off the data as I opened the DVD cases. |
| 16:13.00 | blackflow | it was a 10 or so year old archive, time in which I guess the atmosphere and chemistry did its thing. |
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| 16:22.44 | mnuhmnuh | blackflow: you should move. air that corrodes a dvd in a decade can kill you. |
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| 16:24.43 | mnuhmnuh | i used a cd over and over again, reinstall after reinstall for about a decade; never failed. i lost it, but i've a copy on usbkey. :-) full circle. |
| 16:25.05 | blackflow | I suppose these were just some cheap-o poor quality disks. |
| 16:25.21 | mnuhmnuh | that is important. |
| 16:25.38 | mnuhmnuh | some brands really suck. |
| 16:26.00 | blackflow | But I even didn't know they could do that. "Oh my, what's this dust... *blows* oooh, is that... is that... that's teh data!" |
| 16:26.52 | blackflow | they _were_ those blank, literally white label, no-name you get in huge batches. |
| 16:26.57 | mnuhmnuh | they can't last forever; everything has a usable lifespan. |
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| 16:50.25 | alexas | looking for a good tutorial to configure openvpn under debian 9 as server, found some digitalocean but something didn't work there apparently |
| 16:50.38 | alexas | will inspect later but just in case if anyone have any suggestions they will be most welcome |
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| 17:40.29 | abrock | mnuhmnuh: braesero doesn't allow overburn which is important for me |
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| 17:50.56 | mnuhmnuh | abrock: i've never noticed it missing, or needed it? |
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| 18:03.24 | hypn0 | do people still use rewriters, usb sticks are easier |
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| 18:08.04 | mnuhmnuh | hypn0: for long term backup media? |
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| 18:10.57 | hypn0 | my discs don't seem to last long either :-) |
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| 18:12.24 | coruja | best long term backup media are probably inscripted blocks of stone |
| 18:12.40 | mnuhmnuh | buy better quality disks. even "good brand" companies re-brand crap they buy from others. sony? |
| 18:13.15 | hypn0 | no, just cheap discs :-) maybe |
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| 18:13.47 | hypn0 | imation :-) |
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| 18:15.22 | madwax | coruja, yeah... or atleast lets engrave some metal plates with the data? |
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| 18:15.57 | madwax | might be easier to move around |
| 18:16.05 | mnuhmnuh | ah, the sun's going red giant any day now, so all bets are off. |
| 18:16.28 | madwax | thats why we need to volunteer to go to mars ASAP. |
| 18:18.20 | madwax | wait, is mars far away enough? |
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| 18:19.01 | madwax | mnuhmnuh: i've never been able to figure out which are better quality... any tips? |
| 18:19.36 | madwax | as you said, even the 'premium' brands can be repackaged low quality stuff. |
| 18:20.04 | mnuhmnuh | madwax: i'm using memorex dvd-r i bought on sale. no problems yet. |
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| 18:21.01 | mnuhmnuh | then again cheap disk or cheap drive? i've burned disks that can't be read by other drives. |
| 18:23.16 | Malinux | I re-installed debian and login screen is still lightdm and I want gdm3 and gnome-shell. I installed gnome-shell package |
| 18:24.45 | bites | Malinux: dpkg-reconfigure lightdm |
| 18:31.27 | foxtrotas004 | alexas, i am also interested in debian 9 , up to date openvpn setup tutorial, tried to make it run on centos7 with no success yet, although i do not like centos that much, debian would be my choice, but it seems there is no up to date simple to follow tutorial, i guess i will have to crack officiall documentation and spent much more time to figure how to make it all work |
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| 18:34.12 | mnuhmnuh | https://wiki.debian.org/OpenVPN |
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| 18:34.42 | mnuhmnuh | i've not seen it; just mentioning it. |
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| 18:47.24 | mnuhmnuh | also "https://wiki.debian.org/openvpn%20for%20server%20and%20client" |
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| 19:03.31 | foxtrotas004 | mnuhmnuh, thanks, i also always find official documentation to be most accurate, but those short digital ocean type tutorials sometimes saves a lot of time, i guess alexas was talking about something like that |
| 19:03.39 | foxtrotas004 | also nixcraft provides some cool tutorials |
| 19:04.04 | Malinux | bites: thanx. however. I don't get any login screen when I choose gdm3 |
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| 19:05.31 | mnuhmnuh | foxtrotas004: w.d.o is official, but all user supported, so quality varies, stuff gets out of date or is irrelevant or plain wrong. trust, but verify. |
| 19:06.40 | ntd | is debian getting their grub signed fo secure boot anytime soon? |
| 19:07.16 | mnuhmnuh | no thanks. |
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| 19:09.04 | mnuhmnuh | "boot virus? where's my installer usbkey?" hmph. |
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| 19:09.23 | ntd | mnuhmnuh, was that for me? |
| 19:09.42 | mnuhmnuh | and me. |
| 19:10.24 | annadane | and me! |
| 19:10.29 | annadane | wait no, that's silly |
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| 19:39.55 | almadura | guys is there any ootb solution for adding ip rule fwmark persistently? |
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| 19:46.51 | rant | ,bug 820036 |
| 19:46.52 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/820036 in general (open): «Debian does not run on systems with Secure Boot enabled»; severity: important; opened: 2016-04-04; last modified: 2016-10-22. |
| 19:47.14 | rant | ntd: ^^ |
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| 19:47.31 | rant | see all blocking bugs |
| 19:47.31 | ntd | nice |
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| 19:49.41 | ntd | actually, msft fucked up with re to secure boot |
| 19:50.16 | ntd | you can actually get any bootloader "cross-signed"/valid per the msft signing cert |
| 19:50.48 | ntd | and msft can't do squat about it save for deprecating support for every single mobo <2017 |
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| 19:51.42 | crackpotmark | they are trying hard to do that |
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| 19:51.45 | mnuhmnuh | s.n.a.f.u. |
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| 19:52.02 | crackpotmark | windows 7 on new mobo gets a regular annoying popup about unsupported hardware |
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| 19:55.03 | mnuhmnuh | the worst side of being a techie geek for corporates: you gotta use their win* to fit in; their vpn, lotus notes, ... |
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| 19:59.10 | crackpotmark | XD |
| 19:59.17 | crackpotmark | the whole lotus suite |
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| 19:59.56 | mnuhmnuh | horrible pos. |
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| 20:06.35 | mspe- | once you dive into gnu/linux distros, it's really painful to use windows at work |
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| 20:09.05 | mnuhmnuh | no, it was painful to use win* long before i found linux. |
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| 20:09.57 | mnuhmnuh | never found *anything* helpful in a win* help file. |
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| 20:27.20 | danielh1234 | Am I the only one getting "Hash Sum mismatch" for http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch/main Sources since yesterday or is it really broken? |
| 20:27.40 | almadura | you're only one |
| 20:28.24 | annadane | almadura, not helpful |
| 20:28.25 | danielh1234 | Thanks, any ideas for fixing it apart from `rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/*` which did not work? |
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| 20:28.44 | almadura | annadane, neigher you |
| 20:28.44 | danielh1234 | It is if he tried it and got the correct file. |
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| 20:29.42 | mnuhmnuh | danielh1234: what's in your /etc/apt/sources.list? use deb.debian.org and security.d.o, and let debian's dns magic figure it out. |
| 20:30.51 | danielh1234 | mnuhmnuh: https://paste.debian.net/1034682/ |
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| 20:32.15 | coruja | maybe the opposite, using a near mirror explicitly, is worth a try |
| 20:32.18 | mnuhmnuh | i wonder which is right. i have deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 20:32.41 | mnuhmnuh | other than that we're the same. |
| 20:32.43 | annadane | anyway, you're missing stretch-updates |
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| 20:33.16 | mnuhmnuh | deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main contrib non-free |
| 20:33.43 | mnuhmnuh | and deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch-backports main contrib non-free |
| 20:33.54 | mnuhmnuh | if you want it. |
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| 20:36.26 | danielh1234 | Thanks for -updates, totally missed it. It is optional as I understand it though, right? And I already have backports. The real problem is https://paste.debian.net/1034683/ though. |
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| 20:44.27 | danielh1234 | Ugh, turns out I still had apt-cacher-ng in between which probably served the cached wrong file again and again... sorry |
| 20:45.12 | mnuhmnuh | reportbug! :-) |
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| 20:45.39 | mnuhmnuh | !reportbug |
| 20:45.39 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting, or <reportbug MTA> |
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| 20:47.23 | danielh1234 | Yes, I should look into it and try to reproduce it. Not sure if it is a bug in acng though. Might be temporary mirror malfunction or local disk, right? |
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| 20:53.05 | mnuhmnuh | software should not be tripping over each other, or tripping each other up, fighting for domination. they should know their assigned space, and be welcome there. acng got in the way; why? |
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| 20:55.07 | mnuhmnuh | i don't know acng. are you expected to update its operation manually (apt-cache-ng update)? |
| 20:55.28 | danielh1234 | I am not sure acng fought for domination. I guess it got a bad file or the stored file got corrupted somehow and normally there is no reason to redownload files from a mirror. |
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| 20:56.06 | mnuhmnuh | glad you solved it. |
| 20:56.28 | danielh1234 | No, it caches some file only for a short amount of time and assumes that files that normally do not change on a mirror did not change. |
| 20:57.14 | mnuhmnuh | reasonable. |
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| 21:35.58 | SPTRAL | Hola |
| 21:37.37 | annadane | !es |
| 21:37.43 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la lÃnea de chat. |
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| 21:38.31 | SPTRAL | Thanks |
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| 21:44.15 | lilith93 | Hi, is there a new kernel for Debian stretch? I made an update and it offers me 4.9.0-7-amd64 |
| 21:44.53 | lilith93 | But it was not installed. Should I make a dist-upgrade? |
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| 21:46.55 | annadane | lilith93, yes |
| 21:47.28 | lilith93 | annadane: ok .. thanks! |
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| 22:03.46 | zokum | I'm having problems with radvd and other services taking down my 6rd ipv6 tunnel. This happens about every 2 hours when systemd for some reason restarts radvd |
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| 22:05.05 | zokum | this has been driving me crazy, started happening a lot more after a dist upgrade, before my ipv6 could be up for days, now it's useless |
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| 22:12.24 | fpat | throw some journalctl spells at it |
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| 22:12.49 | rant | heh |
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| 22:13.25 | rant | ENOMANNA |
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| 22:15.14 | mnuhmnuh | fwiw, Version: 1:2.17-1~bpo9+1 in backports. |
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| 22:22.02 | pie3 | anyone from usa? |
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| 22:22.57 | bites | namaste. |
| 22:23.45 | rant | pie3: no, the whole counry moved aftter Trump became presodent |
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| 22:24.10 | mnuhmnuh | i was there a few times. |
| 22:24.37 | ArchNoob_ | Hi, am on Debian 9.5 trying to install libpng-dev or libpng-tools to get a node app to work. But I cannot install them from apt-get? |
| 22:24.37 | rant | they call it Trumptopia now and the sane people deny being from there |
| 22:24.49 | zokum | fpat: was that meant to me? |
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| 22:25.53 | fpat | zokum: yes |
| 22:26.50 | mnuhmnuh | pie3: this channel is for debian linux support. |
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| 22:27.13 | annadane | ArchNoob_, we'll need your output to paste.debian.net |
| 22:27.14 | annadane | !bat |
| 22:27.17 | annadane | c'mon dpkg |
| 22:27.23 | annadane | oh. not even here. |
| 22:27.24 | annadane | dselect: bat |
| 22:27.25 | dselect | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 22:27.56 | annadane | ,v libpng-dev |
| 22:27.57 | judd | Package: libpng-dev on amd64 -- stretch: 1.6.28-1; buster: 1.6.34-1; sid: 1.6.34-1 |
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| 22:31.32 | ArchNoob_ | well, here is some of it.. http://paste.debian.net/1034697 |
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| 22:32.15 | ch3mical | Not sure if this is the best place to ask... Anyone know why nodejs isn't available on stretch? |
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| 22:32.28 | ch3mical | >Package nodejs is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 22:33.05 | bites | ArchNoob_: do you have a mixed stretch/testing/unstable system ? |
| 22:33.07 | RoyK | ,v nodejs |
| 22:33.08 | judd | Package: nodejs on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 0.10.29~dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-2; jessie-backports: 4.8.2~dfsg-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.8.2~dfsg-1; stretch-backports: 8.11.1~dfsg-2~bpo9+1; buster: 8.11.2~dfsg-1; sid: 8.11.2~dfsg-1; experimental: 10.4.0~dfsg-1 |
| 22:34.01 | ch3mical | Is that just confirming it's a package on stretch? |
| 22:34.21 | RoyK | yes |
| 22:34.32 | ch3mical | Any idea why I'm getting the error, then? |
| 22:34.50 | RoyK | ch3mical: see the answer from bites |
| 22:35.06 | ch3mical | Sorry, what answer from bites? |
| 22:35.37 | bites | my answer was for a different user. |
| 22:35.42 | RoyK | sorry, wrong user, but still |
| 22:36.00 | RoyK | nodejs in the repos |
| 22:36.08 | annadane | apt install nodejs does work for me |
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| 22:37.30 | ch3mical | I've even done the official nodejs script to install the PPA and still get the same error: `curl -sL https://deb.nodesource.com/setup_8.x | bash -` |
| 22:37.33 | bites | if you also want npm and timely updates i think the better way is to go with the upstream package. |
| 22:37.51 | ch3mical | Don't need npm for my usage |
| 22:38.07 | ch3mical | What's the upstream package? |
| 22:38.22 | ArchNoob_ | @bites: no it's not a testing system. |
| 22:38.23 | bites | the thing you tried just now. |
| 22:38.33 | ch3mical | gotcha |
| 22:38.42 | ArchNoob_ | http://paste.debian.net//1034698/ another paste from apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2 ... |
| 22:39.03 | ch3mical | Any idea why that isn't working? |
| 22:39.05 | bites | ch3mical: can you copy the output of apt-cache policy nodejs to paste.debian.net? |
| 22:39.19 | ch3mical | sure one sec |
| 22:39.33 | ch3mical | With or without using the upstream? |
| 22:39.39 | annadane | ,v libpng16-16 |
| 22:39.40 | judd | Package: libpng16-16 on amd64 -- stretch: 1.6.28-1; buster: 1.6.34-1; sid: 1.6.34-1 |
| 22:39.57 | ArchNoob_ | whats that? |
| 22:40.16 | annadane | just checking what the versions are from your paste, but apt-cache policy will tell us much more |
| 22:40.39 | annadane | also i'm sure that's not all the packages... but just give us apt-cache policy by itself |
| 22:40.45 | annadane | (and btw you don't need sudo for it) |
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| 22:41.14 | bites | ch3mical: correction, apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy nodejs |
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| 22:41.59 | zokum | fpat: all i can see is: systemd[1]: Stopping Router advertisement daemon for IPv6... | systemd[1]: Starting Router advertisement daemon for IPv6... |
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| 22:42.09 | ArchNoob_ | @annadane: this? http://paste.debian.net/1034699/ |
| 22:42.13 | zokum | and that is when it also takes down my 6rd i manually set up |
| 22:42.34 | annadane | ok, cool. not a frankendebian. |
| 22:43.10 | ArchNoob_ | ? |
| 22:43.15 | ArchNoob_ | whats up? |
| 22:43.52 | annadane | ArchNoob_, if you install aptitude and try aptitude install libpng-dev (don't press y immediately, just paste the output), aptitude will give some information on what might be holding it back |
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| 22:44.05 | annadane | dselect, frankendebian |
| 22:44.05 | dselect | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
| 22:44.15 | annadane | that ^ is frankendebian, which so far you don't seem to have |
| 22:44.24 | bites | the sources are malformed. |
| 22:44.30 | annadane | are they? |
| 22:44.36 | bites | the main debian repo is missing. |
| 22:44.52 | annadane | oh. yeah, that could be a problem :P |
| 22:44.57 | ch3mical | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/2b839e78/ |
| 22:45.08 | annadane | i think failing to notice that deserves a 6 month ban |
| 22:45.18 | annadane | (on my part) |
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| 22:46.01 | annadane | ArchNoob_, add deb http://deb.debian.org/ main to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:46.25 | annadane | sorry, deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ main |
| 22:46.28 | bites | ch3mical: ah, armel, that explains it. the package does not exist for your arch. |
| 22:46.33 | annadane | argh! |
| 22:46.40 | ch3mical | sonnuva |
| 22:46.51 | annadane | what i MEANT is... deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main |
| 22:46.59 | annadane | sorry for being an absolute idiot of the highest order |
| 22:47.20 | ch3mical | bites: what are my options, do you think? |
| 22:47.26 | annadane | and then apt update |
| 22:47.36 | bites | or use http://mirrors.linode.com/debian for performance and profit. |
| 22:48.18 | bites | ch3mical: well, if no port exist there won't be an easy fix. you will have to ask the node community. |
| 22:48.38 | ch3mical | Fair enough |
| 22:48.41 | ch3mical | Thanks for the help |
| 22:49.08 | ArchNoob_ | @annadane: Hey it works! |
| 22:49.41 | ArchNoob_ | Thank u very much man! |
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| 22:51.41 | Okee | I would like to make a 64gb memory stick bootable, and also have it store an installation cd. What do I need to do to accomplish this? Looking online I found a reference to netbootin https://superuser.com/questions/265723/how-to-install-debian-from-a-usb-driv which took me to http://unetbootin.github.io/ and then to https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all&keywords=unetbootin but not sure what to install on this page |
| 22:54.17 | Okee | I don't see this in the repository with POP_OS. I am trying to install Debian stable. |
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| 22:55.39 | bites | Okee: so you are on a linux distro already? then just copy the iso to the usb drive. cp /path/to/iso /dev/sdX |
| 22:56.15 | bites | Okee: you don't need to format or make anything bootable. the iso contains everything. |
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| 22:59.17 | mnuhmnuh | but "... also have it store an installation cd." i've only seen tails do persistent data ptn. dunno how it works really. |
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| 23:00.59 | bites | persistence is only relevant with live systems. |
| 23:01.02 | Okee | bites> So is the file with xfce in it the one I need https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ ??? |
| 23:01.22 | mnuhmnuh | assuming they meant two, not one in the other. otherwise, good to go. |
| 23:02.27 | bites | Okee: if you have an internet connection during install i would go with the netinst. if that's a laptop and you rely on wifi i would use the firmware iso. |
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| 23:04.25 | bites | Okee: which can be found here: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 23:22.45 | hxmuller | greetings. When adding devices to an encrypted volume during installation (netinst), it's just the /dev/mapper devices I am interested in selecting correct? |
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| 23:46.24 | Okee | bites> |
| 23:47.11 | Okee | I could use some guidance on his net install disk. Am I correct that the laptop won't boot from this disk? |
| 23:48.21 | ardualabs | Just to make sure, you're referring to the debian netinstall iso? |
| 23:50.16 | Okee | ardualabs> So what is the procedure for using the net install disk? I tried booting from it and nothing happened; it just continued with the boot to the distro I have now. |
| 23:52.18 | ardualabs | There's any number of things that can be happening here, some of which are really going to be on you to find out. |
| 23:53.04 | ardualabs | i.e. what are you trying to boot from, do you have your system set to boot from that media, how did you create the media etc. |
| 23:53.30 | ardualabs | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual should give you what you need. |
| 23:53.33 | Okee | ardualabs> Is the network disk that has the word "firmware" designed to start the installation process from the USB memory stick? |
| 23:53.36 | hxmuller | yes, check uefi/bios settings |
| 23:54.16 | Okee | hxmuller> I am on a System76 and will need some time to research this. |
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| 23:54.38 | hxmuller | if everything there is good, then the install media should be checked |
| 23:55.17 | ardualabs | and...just because I've seen it happen waaaay too many times, you can't just cp my-cool-boot.iso to the install media :D |
| 23:55.21 | Okee | hxmuller> There is a cryptdata feature on here that I could do without. I would have been better off if the manufacture didn't install their desktop. It is a horrible mess, and with most things related to gnome, everything is broken. |
| 23:55.59 | ardualabs | Okee: I think at this point you're really going to need to read that install guide I linked, esp.the "before you begin" sections. |
| 23:56.11 | hxmuller | they have a custom distribution eh? |
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| 23:57.43 | Okee | ardualabs> Are you referring to the network installation guide listed here https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#smallcd ??? |
| 23:58.02 | hxmuller | System76 has a bios you can get to by pressing F2 during boot |
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| 23:58.29 | hxmuller | look for boot settings to confirm you can boot from the install media |
| 23:58.48 | coruja | ardualabs, https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en#usb-copy-isohybrid |
| 23:58.53 | hxmuller | if that checks out, the the install media is the next suspect |