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00:11.25soul-d:) yeh seems to work only only bit finicky with starting apps
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00:43.03johnnyfiveHow do I create a sources.gz given a set of packages on disk?
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00:44.31lungaro_i'm trying to use dpkg-deb to generate an archive, but how do I get the files to be owned in the directory as root?
00:46.29mrsprowHi. I'm trying to figure out what's "Inactive(anon)" in /proc/meminfo. I've found contradictory information about it :-/
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01:12.10soul-bwexcept now the xsetwacom command don't work  and no  named  screens work  either :(  so that sux  now wacom still thinks its one big desktop
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01:25.40soul-bwlol thats cancer
01:25.56soul-bwthe maptooutput is switched from  xrandr if you want to limit it
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02:44.02zokumI am trying to enable ipv6 via 6rd on my box, and I keep getting this error message with various scripts: add tunnel "sit0" failed: No buffer space available
02:45.04zokumthe only time i can get ipv6 to work, is when i user a frankenscript i cobbled together myself, but systemd kills that every 30-60 minutes when it restarts services
02:45.54zokumi am wondering if anyone know what the first error actually means
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02:51.55dolphinfin01hey guys how do you remove a package but not its dependences with apt?
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02:52.43dolphinfin01https://pastebin.com/Lus5g6FD
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02:52.58dolphinfin01this seems like its removing packages that may be important to other things.
02:54.53zokumi think i got it to work by deleting another tunnel device, weird
02:56.14stochastixIf I want a basic server install and not a desktop, but not a net install, which download is best to get?
02:57.05stochastixI got the kde live cd, and did the graphical install, but it never asked me what packages I wanted installed. It assumed I wanted KDE be default?
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02:58.25mnuhmnuhdolphinfin01: that's not what's happening.  it's removing the one pkg you requested, and suggesting you run apt autoremove to clean up (in theory) unused cruft.
02:59.28dolphinfin01mnuhmnuh, how  do you know if those are needed by something else.
03:00.44mnuhmnuhdolphinfin01: did you see that "suggesting"?  you don't have to, and some say don't ever (in sid).  it's optional.
03:01.44dolphinfin01mnuhmnuh, yes i saw where you clued me in that its a suggestion
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03:02.07Daggerspecifically, apt is telling you that there are no installed Debian packages that have a dependency on those packages
03:02.10mnuhmnuhstochastix: you got the kde live?  well, yeah it's going to suppose kde is default!  sheesh.
03:02.57stochastixI would expect it would still give you the package selection option, but i never saw it.
03:03.21Daggerbut it can't tell you whether or not you use anything from those packages (e.g. from a script or custom program that the package manager isn't tracking), which is why they're not removed automatically
03:03.24stochastixI didnt want the netinstall since im assuming I need to be online to use that one right?
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03:05.10mnuhmnuhstochastix: i saw a screen listing desktop environments, printing, web server (?), maybe samba (?).  it doesn't ask you to choose every pkg.
03:05.35stochastixeven on the kde live cd?
03:05.38mnuhmnuhstochastix: correct.
03:05.42stochastixok, hmm
03:06.07stochastixI left work when it started installing the system, maybe it asks during the install ?
03:06.20stochastixor I missed something, then
03:06.39stochastixIll see how it went when I get there in the morning
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03:06.55dolphinfin01Is there a way to disable bluetooth at boot.  I would like it to be available to turn on only when needed.
03:07.02baconicsynergyhello friends :)
03:07.51mnuhmnuhpopcon determines what pkgs go on the initial installer iso (CD/DVD 1, ...).
03:09.04baconicsynergyOkay, so I have a huge amount of music, and I want to organize the metadata of the artists and albums in bulk. Is there a good debian package to accomplish this task?
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03:09.58fredl-pcHi guys, is there a way to find out which packages got installed as a result of installing one package?
03:10.45baconicsynergyfredl-pc, there is, hold on, i have it written down somewhere
03:11.01fredl-pcisn't it something like apt-cache depends?
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03:13.17baconicsynergy"apt-cache depends" shows a specified packages dependencies
03:13.22rantbaconicsynergy: there are command line tools, but most the music library software like amarok can also do it
03:14.20fredl-pcah yes, cool baconicsynergy I see there's also 'rdepends' to do the reverse
03:14.24rantfredl-pc: apt keeps logs, you can see what happened during that specific command in /var/log/apt/history.log or such, they're rotated and compressed
03:15.00baconicsynergyfredl-pc, "dpkg -L" lists all of the installed files from a package... but thats not what you want... hmmmm
03:15.25fredl-pcrant, while the logs are useful I think, it wouldn't list all the dependencies a package has right? Just which dependency was installed at the time but not dependencies which may have been installed earlier already
03:15.53fredl-pcI'm trying to unravel the solr-tomcat package
03:15.54rantfredl-pc: yes, which is why I mentioned it.. cause that may have been what you wanted
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03:18.25baconicsynergyfredl-pc, I'm having trouble finding the exact answer to your question :( sorry
03:19.25fredl-pcNo don't worry baconicsynergy I already sort of answered myself and you had same answer :)
03:20.06baconicsynergyrant, thanks for the answer, I think I'll give amarok a shot
03:20.27baconicsynergyokay time for a midnight drive and some tea :)
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03:27.27zunaahello does anybody know how to install pdftocontone on debian stretch?
03:27.36zunaaI need it for my lexmark s415 printer
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04:26.30baconicsynergyphew. organizing music is hard work
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04:29.15baconicsynergyI have too much music listed under "Various Artists" and "Unknown Artist", I'm too scared to organize those LOL
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04:37.34fpat2 * Pi * r in square?
04:37.59fpatabout fourty thousand kilometres?
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04:40.51buuHow do I get libcurl3 and libcurl4 installed at the same time
04:41.39annadanebuu, stable or testing/unstable
04:41.58buuunstable =[
04:42.06annadanethen #debian-next, where you posted, is correct
04:42.12buuif only people were awake there
04:43.01fpati can come and bring music
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04:43.56annadaneif no one answers then use the mailing list. debian-user@lists.debian.org
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04:48.24buuoh boy
04:48.25buuhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/curl/+bug/1754294
04:48.29buuThis blew up the world
04:49.07annadaneoh, right. i seem to recall some bug in debian like that also
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04:51.07buuWell that's a mess I don't want to touch
04:51.31fpatthat seems what the responsible developers think
04:53.41fpatsorry, thats #debian-offtopic
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04:57.35annadanei'll grant you #debian-next can be fairly dead sometimes
04:57.46annadanebe nice if we had a somewhat larger unstable/testing community
04:58.51annadane...who also use irc, probably most of them are on the mailing list or something
04:59.51annadanewell, it's also early for at least two prominent time zones
04:59.57annadaneit's actually not that dead most of the time
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07:40.42pantato???? debian doesn't have gksu in its repo
07:40.44pantatowaaat
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07:48.40klyspantato, https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=gksu&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any
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07:49.56pantatoklys: why the heck doesn't it just show up on apt though?
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07:50.17ayekatpantato: running testing? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=892768
07:50.18juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/892768 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: gksu -- RoM; RoQA; unmaintained»; severity: normal; opened: 2018-03-12; last modified: 2018-04-19.
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07:50.28pantatoklys: running sid
07:51.04klyspantato, /connect irc.oftc.net /join #debian-next
07:51.04pantatodude wtf...
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07:51.21pantatoi'm pissed
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07:52.35pantato"lets just break the ability for people to use programs that don't include our autistic policy demands"
07:52.38pantatojesus
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07:54.43rantyes, my son?
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07:55.23rantwould've been better if I /nick jesus, but freenode won't allow it :P
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08:19.55soul-d:( sadlly  using 2 xorg screens seems to make something like video playback slow as .... :(  llots of random slow downs stutters for some reason
08:20.27rantwhat video player are you using?
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08:21.47soul-dthere is just extra sowness in scrollling and s stuff since i  made it  that 2 monitors have 2 x screens ( athough one din't require login )
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08:27.27soul-dfor example just wanted to test random 4k 10bit youtube
08:27.34soul-dit should normaly play fine
08:27.41soul-dnot anymore :(
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09:05.19soul-dah maybe its that i tried to tell xorg its 10bits maybe the non-free repo nvidia drivers aren't up to that  since same 4k vid plays fine at same tome on other screen
09:05.41soul-dso far i read it was finicky at best anyway
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09:37.54steinexHi, is there a way to remove a package from debconf control? We use nslcd but use our own configuration file, not using debconf. Now we have the problem that on every upgrade our configuration file gets overwritten with nonsense stuff from debconf.
09:38.06steinexWe don't want debconf to touch it.
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09:43.30themillsteinex: debconf should not be overwriting manual changes to begin with
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09:44.20steinexok, then this is probably a bug in the nslcd package. i suspected this. this is hunting us since jessie or even earlier.
09:44.38themillthe maintainer scripts look like they read in the data as a starting point
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09:46.39steinexi think back in the days we we're not able to preseed nslcd-configuration correctly. IIRC when we preseed we get still presented with nslcd debconf configuration, hit enter a few times and after installation we copy over the actual config file. may this be the issue?
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09:47.19soul-dofcourse i had to change 2 things  but on 24bit the video on other screen is smooth again to
09:47.41themilldebconf *should* be reading in the existing config first and so when/if it writes out the config it should be safe
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09:48.14steinexthemill: ok. i will open a bug report then, it does not do this and overwrites our config, i can reproduce this
09:48.41themillis it bringing back zombie keys or is it overwriting values?
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10:24.35steinexthemill: overwriting values
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10:25.46steinexwe have "sasl_mech gssapi" there, in debconf-show nslcd "nslcd/ldap-sasl-mech:" is empty, but it's always overwriting this one
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10:56.56asdsadsadI would like to develop a simple input/output program and I would like it to work in all "standard linux installs" (no external packages needed). Would the best language for this be BASH or perl?
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11:00.39oerheksasdsadsad, not sure, but perl is optional in ubuntu, check your system?
11:00.48blackflowasdsadsad: what's a "standard linux install"? there's no such standard. There's LSB which is broken, and there's posix which is something else. there's no guarantee bash or perl will be installed.
11:00.52oerheksdebian too, AFAIK
11:01.07fpatbase install pulls perl in on debian
11:01.31epicmetalPerl doesn't come with Fedora
11:01.35epicmetal(by default)
11:01.43asdsadsadstandard install meaning.....it works in ALL linux installations by default
11:01.49petn-randallasdsadsad: bash isn't really a good language for programming. Also what do you mean with "no external packages needed"? If you mean package that are installed everywhere, you only option is C.
11:01.50asdsadsadthere is nothing additional to pull in from the repo
11:01.51oerheksthen bash it is.
11:02.04petn-randallbash is not an essential package in Debian.
11:02.05blackflowactually, /bin/sh  and not bash
11:02.16oerheks( else i would go for python )
11:02.19blackflow/bin/sh is the only posix defined standard one can expect in distros
11:02.49blackflow(when shells are concerned, I mean)
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11:03.13Oats87|Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
11:03.13Oats87|or maybe this blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
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11:05.25blackflownobody mentioned the obvious? C? :)  compiled binary progs, against a reasonably modern glibc and (if needed) kernel api, should work just fine.
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11:07.23petn-randallblackflow: I said C was the only option.
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11:09.07blackflowpetn-randall: oh yes, sorry, missed that.
11:11.17ayekatbut if you want to be sure if works across version, I'd go for statically compiled
11:11.25ayekat*versions
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11:13.16Resiliencehello to everyone, this is a little offtopic, but, an somebody give a hint on what the ptx command is used for?
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11:21.22BrigoResilience, ask google, which will point you out to stackexchage: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/92730/usr-bin-ptx-can-you-provide-a-use-case-or-two
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11:39.03Foloexhello world
11:39.26Foloexmy desktop PC freezes randomly (or so it seems) about once a day
11:39.57Foloexit's a complete freeze: screen, caps lock, num lock, mouse...
11:40.02Foloexit's not a reboot
11:40.47FoloexI don't see anything relevant in the logs, so I'd like to know if you have ideas on what could happen or how to diagnose
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11:41.19FoloexIt's not temperature related, I check every sensors, nothing there
11:41.34Foloexthe CPU never goes above 70°C (with cpuburn)
11:41.56Foloexthe GPU doesn't heats either
11:42.21tarzeau_Foloex: so nothing in ~/.xsession-errors nor /var/log/syslog ?
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11:42.28FoloexI did a memcheck last night, nothing there
11:43.05irrepI just have installed Debian 9 on a Intel Coffee Lake machine with the GPU “Intel UHD 630” and realized that it does not support two screens. What do I have to install to have it support two screens?
11:43.16FoloexI don't have a .xsession-errors file in my home
11:43.19tarzeau_Foloex: not any special software you use? or you run out of memory?
11:43.53FoloexIt's really sudden, it doesn't slow down before dying (so I don't think it swaps)
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11:44.02tarzeau_Foloex: does the "last" output show the crashes?
11:45.04Foloexno, I have to hit the reset switch
11:45.30Foloexho, never minded, it does say "crash" on some entries
11:45.32tarzeau_Foloex: what about network connectivity? ping/ssh?
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11:45.53tarzeau_Foloex: that's every time you press the reset switch
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11:46.20ozfalconban it
11:46.33FoloexI don't know if it's network related, how can I see that
11:46.35Foloex?
11:46.56tarzeau_Foloex: ping the ip of the computer, and see if it still gives icmp replies after the freeze
11:47.16Foloexthe computer does respond to ping while crashed
11:47.19tarzeau_Foloex: then try to login with ssh to the computer, even the local terminal seems freezed. also try ctrl-alt-f1
11:47.23Foloexbut ssh is down
11:47.25tarzeau_Foloex: what video card/drivers do you use?
11:48.05Foloexit's a nvidia GTX 1050 with nvidia's driver 387.26
11:48.09tarzeau_Foloex: kernel version?
11:48.24tarzeau_Foloex: doing 3d stuff? cuda stuff?
11:48.35DongyancaiHello, I am using newest Debian stable within VBOX/Mac, I just set the resolution to 2048x1152 and it worked for a short while and I saved the config. But afterwards it crashed, and failed to boot again with this resolution. How can I bring the GUI back to work?
11:48.44Foloexnop, just browsing the internet or coding
11:48.50blackflowFoloex: fwiw, I had that issue on ubuntu, nvidia GTX960, driver 390. Upgraded the driver to 396, and those freezes stopped.
11:49.28tarzeau_Foloex: which browser? what kind of coding? languages?
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11:49.38Foloexmy colleague has about the same machine, it use to freeze also, but not any more
11:50.16FoloexI'm using vscode mainly for nodejs (but many other languages too)
11:50.28Foloexthe browser is opera-stable
11:51.09ozfalconFoloex, Did colleague do anything to his machine to stop freeze?
11:51.29Foloexas for the kernel it's 4.9.0-7-amd64
11:51.37Foloexozfalcon: not that he knows
11:52.32ozfalconHave you tried altering bios? CPU stepping or Disable powersave modes?
11:52.35Foloexwe have different CPU, I have Ryzen 7 and he has a Ryzen 5, other than that it's the exact same hardware
11:52.59Foloexno, it's the vanilla bios parameters
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11:53.28FoloexI tried upgrading the bios firmware, but it didn't change
11:54.07ozfalconGoogled Ryzen7 & GTX 1050 timing issues?
11:54.20Foloexnot yet ^^
11:54.41ozfalconJust a thought. No idea if it's that.
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11:55.59ozfalconCould just be  a faulty GPU
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11:58.31epicmetalWhat xft string do I specify to select variants of font-fantasque-sans? https://paste.debian.net/plain/1035096
11:59.17epicmetalNote that they all are named 'Fantasque Sans Mono:style=Regular' but there are multiple physical files for this name
12:01.22FoloexMy issue could come from CPU's p-state settings on the bios. I'll try some settings to see if it changes anything.
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12:03.49Foloexthanks for the ideas, I guess it's trial and error until stable
12:03.55Foloexcya
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12:05.13soul-dmmm any safe way to remove  the nvidia driver  only  and not all that contains nvidia  since don't want cuda toolkit to disapear need that to build blender
12:05.32soul-di want to switch to the official from nonfree  to test
12:07.10blackflowsoul-d: you could blacklist the module on boot.   modprobe.blacklist=nvidia  in the kernel command line for grub. I don't know if all the nvidia* variants of the modules need to be listed, but that param is comma separated if they do
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12:07.56soul-dIf you installed NVidia through the Debian's package in non-free sections, then simply remove it, with : aptitude purge nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-glx    is something that looks correct  from post on to restore neuvou
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12:08.10soul-dthats only thing i could find so far
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12:10.02soul-dmmm i mean i do want to use nvidia  just want to update the driver to see if it resolves some issues
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12:51.57hxmullerHow does one get an invite to #debian-next?
12:52.12towo^workyou don't need one
12:52.31towo^work#debian-next is on oftc network, not on freenode
12:52.40hxmullerlol, my bad
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13:07.48bitesgreetings. i tried to modify the initrd of the jessie installer. but when trying to boot i get a kernel panic. this is how i tried to repack it:    find . | cpio -o -c | gzip -9 > amd64.initrd.gz      doesn't seem to work on debian. i couldn't find debian specific instructions, though. do you have an idea what i did wrong?
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13:10.03petn-randallbites: What are you changing the initrd for?
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13:12.07bitespetn-randall: need to change the iso-scan script to make it work on my multiboot usb.
13:12.31bitesbut right now i don't have any changes in the initrd. just unpacked and repacked it.
13:12.56petn-randallbites: Does it have the same contents before and after?
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13:14.03bitesdifferent md5 sums. :(
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13:14.23bitesbut should be the same contents.
13:15.07petn-randallbites: "should". I'm guessing the difference are what causes your image to fail to boot.
13:15.23petn-randalldifferences even
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13:16.56oo_miguelgiven a machine running debian is there some easy way to list every single file that is not part of the distribution AND list every single file that is part of the distriubtion but was changed after installation?
13:17.34petn-randalloo_miguel: For the former, no. For the latter there is "debsums".
13:17.49jellydepends on whether you count writing a short script as "easy", oo_miguel
13:18.02oo_migueljelly: yes im fine with that
13:18.15petn-randalloo_miguel: But if you run 'find .' and subtract the output of 'debsums' from it, you'll probably also get the former.
13:18.21bitespetn-randall: well, obviously. it's most likely how i repack and compress the image. trying to find out how to do it correctly.
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13:18.51oo_miguelpetn-randall, jelly : perfect. Ill have a look at debsums thank you very much.
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13:19.01jellythat find probably ought to start from / and exclude other filesystems (-xdev) and include files only (-type f)
13:19.15petn-randallbites: does running 'files' on both initrd produce the same output?
13:20.28jellydebsums is sadly not part of base installation, and sums metadata is not mandatory so not all packages come with it.  After it's installed, it tracks packages that comes without checksummed files, but before that you might miss some changes.
13:20.46oo_migueljelly: ouch
13:21.12petn-randallYou can just reinstall those packages without debsum though, and debsums will generate them on the fly.
13:21.45petn-randallComes in handy when your RAID is corrupted and you're trying to figure out WTH is happening. *cough*
13:21.56jellyyes.  Unless your system is backdoored already :-)
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13:23.41jellydebsums is how I've found the only HDD bitflip I've ever seen.
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13:24.33petn-randalljelly: It won't help you when it's backdoored, the attacker can just fix the on-disk hashes, too.
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13:24.51toruvinnwell might've been a ram bitflip too, just written to disk after. ;-)
13:25.08toruvinnbitflips give me nightmares
13:25.10jellyno, because it was in a binary that used to work well
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13:25.48toruvinnhuh
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13:26.09petn-randallwow, never had that, yet. That's why I wish checksumming filesystems were more common.
13:26.12jellyram issues are a lot more common
13:26.19petn-randallyup
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13:26.56jellythis was in /usr/sbin/apache that hadn't been touched in 12+ months and just started segfaulting one day
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13:28.21haveHey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
13:28.21haveor maybe this blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
13:28.22petn-randallI don't quite get how they can still spam with +R on the channel.
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13:29.07oo_miguelhmm.. "debsums -l" on my desktop (where I have a lot of packages installed) does not show any packages with missing md5 checksums.. But I just installed debsums 2 minutes ago.
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13:30.18jellypetn-randall, easy if there is no +R or no +q $~a or whatnot
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13:58.52manticorpusHi there, I have a very tricky question. I have a PCIE slot who doesn't support the USB3 card I have plug in. I have found a solution with tape I hide the usb-3 pin (23-25-31-33). And now my card is recognize (fallback in USB2). As I cannot ship modem with tape somebody has any idea how to force USB2 to pcie ?
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14:01.57jellymanticorpus, that doesn't make a lot of sense; however, try asking in ##hardware as well
14:02.54jellyPCIe runs PCIe protocol, it should not have "usb3 pins"
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14:04.30ozfalconmanticorpus, Any software for said card that you can manipulate settings with?
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14:05.04manticorpusjelly : My bad (mini-pci not pcie) In fact the pin-out of the manufacturer is not compatible with the pin-out of the pci slot. I imagine the USB-3 is powered, so the card stay in USB3. When I put tape on the usb-3 pin, the card fallback in usb-2
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14:05.38ozfalconmanticorpus, Does the card work in another slot?
14:06.02manticorpusozfalcon: No, I have only one slot
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14:06.32ozfalconmanticorpus, Does lspci show anything?
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14:06.42manticorpusozfalcon: Oh sorry the card, is working in two cases : If I put duck on usb-3 pin and on a pci adapter with usb-3 support
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14:07.28manticorpusozfalcon: But I am 100 % sure, that the problem is the usb-3 support there is no doubt about this (source from  https://techship.com/faq/sierra-wireless-mc74-series-module-is-not-detected-by-the-operating-system/) and tested
14:08.50ozfalconIs there any way to "Configure" the card? (Software?)
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14:09.53soul-dwell only went well half of it  no xfce-panel wants to start anymore get a dbus permision error  and  it wont  quit either  via cli
14:10.04soul-dcan start one as root
14:10.40ozfalconmanticorpus, You have two devices? pcie card and pci card?
14:11.16manticorpusozfalcon: Maybe, I will contact the manufacturer to check if I can configure the device. But if I can avoid to manually change thousand of mpcie card by hand that's will illuminate my day
14:11.21soul-dalso system crashes now if i logout of xfce :(
14:12.17manticorpusozfalcon: No I have only one mPCIe on my embedded system.
14:13.45ozfalconYou would think, IF mPCIe is unable to support USB3 then it would automatic fallback to USB2.
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14:15.06manticorpusozfalcon: I am not thinking, I have do testing and it's working
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14:24.53soul-dyup that wasn't a smart idea din't fix anything 10bit video playback related with official nvidia  did borke stuff up pretty good  otherwise
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14:27.35jellymanticorpus, so is it mini-pci or mini-pcie?
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14:28.41manticorpusjelly: I think mPCIe, but does it change something if it's mpci ?
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14:29.59qqzdpkg-buildpackage complains that the file Dpkg/Source/Package/V3.pm is missing
14:30.03qqzwhat can I do?
14:30.07jellymanticorpus, it's a completely different card then
14:30.19jellyqqz, which debian release is that?
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14:30.43qqzDebian 9
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14:31.26jellyqqz, make sure libdpkg-perl is installer
14:31.36jellyinstalled*
14:31.41manticorpusjelly: Ok, so it's a mPCIe. But I think there is no simple OS solution
14:31.49jelly,file Dpkg/Source/Package/V3.pm
14:31.54juddNo packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
14:32.23qqzlibdpkg-perl is already installed
14:32.47qqzif I search for the file with apt-file then it returns no feasible packages
14:33.52jellyqqz, can you show the complete command line and output?  https://paste.debian.net
14:33.54greycatstretch has /usr/share/perl5/Dpkg/Source/Package/V2.pm and /usr/share/perl5/Dpkg/Source/Package/V3 without a .pm extension.  I have no idea why or what it means.
14:34.40jellyqqz, also the output of "dpkg -l libc6 dpkg dpkg-dev libdpkg-perl"
14:35.18jelly,file Dpkg/Source/Package/V3.pm --release sid
14:35.23juddNo packages in sid/amd64 were found with that file.
14:35.55jellyperhaps the other modules under .../V3/ provide Dpkg::Source::Package::V3
14:36.38greycatoh, it's a directory.  that's not clear when you just look at the one line of dpkg -L output without looking at the lines underneath it.
14:36.47qqzhttp://ix.io/1ilB
14:37.00greycatwould've been nice if dpkg -L put trailing slash chars on directories, but oh well.
14:37.18greycat,file Dpkg/Source/Package/V3.pm --release jessie
14:37.21juddNo packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file.
14:37.25greycat,file Dpkg/Source/Package/V3.pm --release wheezy
14:37.28juddNo packages in wheezy/amd64 were found with that file.
14:38.14qqzhttp://ix.io/1ilD
14:38.17jellythose versions look consistent with stretch
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14:38.51jelly!localized errors
14:38.51dpkgTo provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
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14:39.13jellyqqz, ^^.  That sounds like "package format 3.0 not known" tho.
14:39.51qqzhttp://ix.io/1ilE
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14:40.16qqzjelly: what can I do; can I simply copy V3.pm from a system where it exists?
14:40.19jellywhat's in debian/source/format ?
14:40.31qqz3.0
14:41.33jellynot "3.0 (quilt)" or "3.0 (native)"?
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14:42.14jellyqqz, I'm reading https://wiki.debian.org/Projects/DebSrc3.0 and "3.0" on its own looks incorrect
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14:42.48qqzwhat is the difference between 3.0 quilt and 3.0 native?
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14:43.27jellyI _guess_ one is for foreign source with debian patches in quilt format, and one is for native packages
14:43.55qqzahh; it works with quilt; many thanks
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14:44.29jellyif you have debian/patches/ and some diffs with ordered names in there it's probably quilt
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14:45.27qqzanother question jelly; what if I want a package to be built on all available architectures but not as noarch?
14:45.48qqzArchitecture: all does not seem to do that
14:46.01jellythen you set up build environments for each architecture and build there
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14:46.32jellythere is no cross-compilation support that I know of, Debian builds everything natively
14:46.45qqzlike this? Architecture: amd64 i386
14:47.02jellyoh.  You want Architecture: any
14:47.10qqzI am not asking to build cross or for another arch than I have it; I just want to get rid of the noarch tag
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14:47.55qqzthe resulting package should have the arch in its name and not _all
14:48.02jellyright
14:48.25jellythat's what any is for
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14:49.31qqzI have changed architecture in qcoan.dsc to i386 and amd64 and it still seems to build a noarch package
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14:50.08bitSt0rmI think I'm missing a lib, is that correct? grub-install: error: /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory.
14:50.37bitSt0rmThe command I'm running is: sudo grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --recheck --removable --efi-directory=/mnt/ext_hdd_d01/sdd01_02 --boot-directory=/mnt/ext_hdd_d01_sdd01_03/boot
14:50.48qqzjelly: your answer is highly appreciated
14:51.32greycatbitSt0rm: well, clearly the error is coming from that --target
14:52.43bitSt0rmgreycat, yes it seems so. Do you by any chance happend to know if this library is downloadable by package manager? I'm still a bit new to Linux in general..
14:53.23greycatbitSt0rm: look in /usr/lib/grub
14:53.35jellyqqz, you're welcome!  Also in case you missed it, <jelly> oh.  You want Architecture: any
14:54.39bitSt0rmgreycat, there is a folder: i386-pc
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14:55.25jellybitSt0rm, you need efi build of grub installed
14:55.34greycatYes.  And you will see the file inside it.  Note that there is NOT a directory named "x86_64-efi".
14:55.38jelly,file x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh
14:55.42juddSearch for x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh in stretch/amd64: grub-efi-amd64-bin: usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh
14:56.23jellybitSt0rm, and that package in turn is a dependency of grub-efi-amd64
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14:59.45bitSt0rmOkay thank you all. I'm gonna read the man pages for apt-cache so I can figure out how to locate the packages - I should be able to figure this out from here.
15:00.09greycatbitSt0rm: you either use judd, or use the apt-file package
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15:25.59lungaro_so i am trying to get files owned as root and put them into a package using dpkg-deb, I *thought* fakeroot could do this but it doesn't seem so
15:26.12lungaro_is there a way to do this w/o root privs?
15:26.29greycatif they're only readable by root, then you need real UID==0 to read them
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15:26.51jellyget them from where?
15:26.52lungaro_they're files created by the regular user, i just want them root when I make the deb. They are owned by 'jenkins' now
15:26.54greycaterr, "really" as in "effective", not "real uid" which is a totally different and stupid and confusing concept
15:27.11greycatOh.
15:27.16petn-randalllungaro_: What are you trying to achieve? dpkg-deb is not a tool that should be run manually, it's usually part of building a source package.
15:27.49lungaro_petn-randall, to create a deb at the lowest of levels =P
15:28.41jellylungaro_, running fakeroot as the same user will switch the apparent file ownership to root.  Perhaps you can show actual files, their ownership and permissions, and full command line with complete output
15:28.49petn-randalllungaro_: Care to elaborate? I'm not convinced you need to run it by hand.
15:28.57lungaro_petn-randall, lets stay on task here
15:29.10lungaro_jelly, sure, lemme get a script pasted
15:29.12greycatIf the task is to create a .deb then why are you ignoring petn-randall?
15:29.21jellylungaro_, the question as posed does suggest you're doing something unusual
15:29.49lungaro_i dont want all the baggage, i am doing sometthing unusual, i dont want sources, i dont want dependencies
15:29.55lungaro_i want the fastest build process possible
15:30.04jellyvroom
15:30.07lungaro_which means doing the build outside the chroot of pbuilder and not making sources
15:30.18greycatthen chown the fucking files yourself.  fast.
15:30.21jellyreproducibility sucks!
15:30.26petn-randalllungaro_: So you want to do all the automatic steps by hand? Seems like the exact opposite of "fastest build process possible".
15:30.29lungaro_i dont want root if I dont need it
15:30.36jellyfakeroot wraps all the syscalls!  Slow!
15:30.52lungaro_petn-randall, fast as in cpu time, in comparision its brings builds from 5 minutes to 1minute
15:31.01lungaro_so.. careful with those accusations
15:31.07petn-randallyawns.
15:32.23lungaro_ok, i'll figure it out myself, i assume I have an issue with how i invoke fakeroot
15:32.34petn-randalllungaro_: Good luck with your endeavours then. If you want to reinvent the package building yourself, you can always read the source code of dpkg-buildpackage.
15:33.03lungaro_thanks
15:34.39jellyI've done things that way converting third party rpm into usable debs, didn't care about speed but using actual root was easier and really a bit faster than fakeroot wrapping
15:35.00jellyyou can probably do that inside a separate user namespace
15:35.10jelly(don't want to call it "container")
15:35.41hxmuller<PROTECTED>
15:35.47jellykernel does those mappings quite a bit faster than a LD_PRELOAD wrapper
15:37.57petn-randallI'm sure you can also gain a few millisecs by statically compiling dpkg-deb.
15:38.44jellyand use a paralellizing bz2/xz implementation!
15:39.01greycatpress the Turbo button!
15:39.27jellyunless they get charged for cpu time and not care about wall time
15:39.32blackflowMillenials: "What button?"
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15:44.44jizzlewoah greets all the irc hats out here
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15:46.55jizzleim surely too dumb to set my own clock right now. if i do a ntp sync, everything is fine. hwclock also shows the right time. but when after 5 minutes i come back and see timedatectl and date showing me +2 hours even having set ntp on and the right timezone. i dont know any further right now
15:47.51petn-randalljizzle: How are you setting the timezone? What the output of `date`?
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15:51.11jizzlepetn-randall i set the timezone through timedatectl set-timezone Europe/Zurich and have a symlink from /etc/localtime. my date is 19:48:55 CEST 2018
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15:51.27jizzlemy hwclock says 17:51:18 CEST
15:51.53jellydoes this machine dual-boot to other OS sometimes?
15:52.54jizzleits a vm
15:53.07jizzleclock gets reset every 2 mins or so
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15:56.00jellya VM inside what?  It's possible you've got it configured to get time from host
15:56.39petn-randalljizzle: If it's a VM, it's very likely getting the time from the host.
15:56.40jellyand even when you disable that running a ntp client inside a VM can be tricky
15:57.18greycator simply impossible, depending on the VM implementation
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15:58.08jizzlecant i just decouple the vm system? and let it have their own time? hwclock seems to have reliable output to me, cant i hang on to that?
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15:58.47jellyjizzle, it's reliable and WRONG
15:58.51jizzlewhat are the possible mechanisms interfering with my clock? is there a clock-set-log to see who has set it?
15:59.01jellypossibly
15:59.11petn-randalljizzle: Sure, just consult the documentation of your VM tools to do that. But it's better not to fight those things, it's been implemented for a reason.
15:59.43jellyI know nothing about timesyncd, but if you want to make ntpd work inside esxi, feel free to ask
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16:01.51jizzlejelly: yeah id love to ntpd so it sticks.
16:02.03jizzlejust checked and yeah, im into some VMWare dungeon
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16:03.27petn-randalljizzle: It's going to be easier to just fix it on the VMWare side, TBH.
16:04.05greycatclock sync basically NEEDS to be done at the host/hypervisor level
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16:04.58jizzleI completely agree it's the correct way to do it
16:05.10jellyjizzle, so run "vmware-toolbox-cmd timesync status" and see what it says.  If you don't have /usr/bin/vmware-toolbox-cmd install open-vm-tools
16:05.39jellygreycat, that is not correct, but it's easier that way
16:06.04qqzjelly:  You want Architecture: any - that does not suffice; it still builds an arch independent package:
16:06.15qqzhttps://mentors.debian.net/package/qcoan
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16:06.18jizzlejelly: thanks for the tip. it says activated
16:06.32jizzlenow i deactivate and will be happy for the rest of my life... (:
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16:07.54jellyqqz, where's you control file?  If you're going for debian inclusion you can ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net (= irc.debian.org), different irc network than this freenode one
16:08.36jizzlejelly you're the king of my dreams how come you didnt receive my roses yet?
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16:09.32qqzjelly: would you still give me support or shall I change the IRC network?
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16:10.15jellyqqz, I would if I wasn't on my way AFK
16:10.52jellyjizzle, aww!
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16:14.22jellythere are some other things to tune to make it work better in case of adversity (live vm migration with pausing) but I don't have references ready rn
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16:22.37qqzjelly: perhaps you can help me one more time since the guy on irc.oftc.net does not know
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16:26.42petn-randall!tell qqz -about crosspost
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16:29.42ssarahis there a way to activate a terminal autocolors  after i login as root (without changing bashrc ) ?
16:31.18greycatssarah: source ~someuser/.bashrc
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16:31.54ssarahgreycat, it has zero consequences?
16:32.48ssarahi mean unexpected side effects to source my user's bashrc after i root
16:33.03greycatYou need to trust the user.  It should be YOU.
16:33.34petn-randallssarah: It's not consequence-free. But then again if it didn't have consequences, you wouldn't get terminal autocolors.
16:34.38ssarahjust trying to check if it's safe. https://wiki.debian.org/BashColors <- so i put these lines in my own bashrc and source that after i switch to root?
16:35.05greycatIt's safe as long as you don't do anything evil in your .bashrc.
16:41.15rantwhat about simply exporting the damn env var?!
16:41.51greycatif you happen to have it stored in a separate file that can be sourced independently of .bashrc, more power to you
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17:07.00keith4did the 'redis-server' package get renamed to 'redis' or something?
17:08.50greycat,v redis-server
17:08.52juddPackage: redis-server on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:2.4.14-1; wheezy-security: 2:2.4.14-1+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 2:2.8.17-1~bpo70+2; jessie: 2:2.8.17-1+deb8u5; jessie-security: 2:2.8.17-1+deb8u5; stretch: 3:3.2.6-1; stretch-security: 3:3.2.6-3+deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 3:3.2.6-3+deb9u2; jessie-backports: 3:3.2.8-2~bpo8+1; stretch-backports: 5:4.0.10-1~bpo9+1; buster:
17:08.53judd5:4.0.10-2; sid: 5:4.0.10-2
17:11.26keith4,v redis
17:11.28juddPackage: redis on amd64 -- sid: 5:4.0.6-5; stretch-backports: 5:4.0.10-1~bpo9+1; sid: 5:4.0.10-1; buster: 5:4.0.10-2; sid: 5:4.0.10-2
17:12.00keith4interesting
17:13.16greycat*shrug* whatever... a buster user in a buster channel can try to figure out what happened post-stable
17:15.25annadanecheck the tracker: tracker.debian.org
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17:23.29keith4was just trying to figure out why the redis-server package has a postinst action to symlink /lib/systemd/system/redis-server.service to /etc/systemd/system/redis.service
17:23.54keith4... thus making some confusion, because systemd now considers "redis" and "redis-server" to both be valid, and distinct, services
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17:24.15greycatwhich release of debian are you on?
17:24.19keith4stretch
17:24.44greycatThen it simply sounds like an "alias" in the systemd unit file.
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17:25.14greycatcf.  lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 Apr 10  2017 /etc/systemd/system/sshd.service -> /lib/systemd/system/ssh.service
17:25.45greycatssh.service has "Alias=sshd.service" in it
17:25.48keith4ah, indeed. thanks!
17:27.48greycatAs I learned the hard way, when there's a system alias, you MUST use the canonical name for most of the things you try to do (like making a drop-in foo.d/bar.conf file).
17:27.55greycatsystemd* alias
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17:28.18greycatDoing it with the alias name gets things all confused.
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17:30.53keith4very. in this case, someone had made a local redis-server.service file to override one of the read/write dirs (to move where the data is), but hadn't moved that symlink, so if it were started as "redis" it used the stock conf, but started as "redis-server" it used the override
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17:31.48keith4e..g., /etc/systemd/system/redis.service still pointed at /usr/lib/systemd/system/redis-server.service, but the intent was to use /etc/systemd/system/redis-server.service
17:31.50keith4confusing as hell
17:31.51xaeB5the version of smtube (youtube browser for smplayer) in debian stable displays an annoying popup every time it starts up with information about the program and updating youtube code. anyone know if there is a way to disable that?
17:31.59greycatI'm not 100% convinced your explanation is the whole story, but there's I'm still learning systemd as well.
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17:35.51keith4the whole story is: the packager decided to use systemd/cgroups to restrict where redis can write (ReadWriteDirectories), to the stock locations. so if you change the data dir in /etc/redis/redis.conf, it can't write to your new location... and then you can't even stop redis using systemctl/service, because it won't stop until it writes its in-memory data to disk. just fills the logs with "read-only filesystem" errors. bit of a head-scratcher
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17:37.33petn-randallkeith4: If you can switch the location during run, can't you just switch it back before stopping it?
17:38.01keith4petn-randall: I'm not aware of a way to switch the location while it's running, no
17:38.18greycatthen how did you get it to start up with a read-only directory and then try to write there?
17:38.27keith4I suppose the real question is: why does redis start, if it can't write to its data dir
17:39.15keith4looks like it's possible to disable the "save data to disk" feature, which is why it doesn't check for write permissions at startup.
17:39.18keith4shrugs
17:39.30greycatmaybe it tries to detect the read-only-ness but fails to detect it because it's being done with cgroups instead of permissions
17:42.21keith4seems overly cautious to me. but then again, there have been a few high-profile redis security failures in the last few years
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17:46.52greycatdidn't even know cgroups could DO that
17:47.28keith4it was a real "what the hell?" moment for me. what do you mean, read-only filesystem?!
17:47.42keith4it's *clearly* not. fist-shaking ensued, etc.
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18:06.01AgentOakHi, I've just updated my testing install, which brought in xserver-xorg-core 2:1.20.0-3, which breaks monitor rotation, is it possible to downgrade? apt-get showpkg only lists the broken 2:1.20.0-3.
18:06.13greycat!debian-next
18:06.13dpkg#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode.  If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
18:06.32AgentOakOh, thanks
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18:34.46Tenkawawow.. debian runs really good on a an amd laptop through usb 3 to a sata 6gb drive
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18:39.33g0zzyI've used the save-image format with ntfsclone. Nonetheless, i'd like to restore it to a file for loop mounting. Is that possible?
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18:43.02mnuhmnuhTenkawa: exactly opposite from what i found with dell inspirons and hp pavilions.  always hot!
18:43.22Tenkawamnuhmnuh: weird.. i'm using it on a dell
18:43.26Tenkawait is flying
18:43.40Tenkawai am very pleased
18:43.43mnuhmnuhTenkawa: always amd and radion.
18:43.59mnuhmnuhTenkawa: happy for you.
18:44.09TenkawaI think the combination of amd/radeon/6gb/usb3 finally did it
18:44.53mnuhmnuhi love it on my coreii quad, but glad i don't need a laptop anymore.
18:44.56Tenkawamay have to carry an external drive around but oh well
18:45.21Tenkawait rocks being able to run everything so light now
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18:47.37mnuhmnuhtried fluxbox?  free -m:
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18:47.45mnuhmnuhMem:           3939         816        1263          95        1858        2847
18:47.45mnuhmnuhSwap:          8169           0        8169
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18:48.16SheenHi there
18:48.30Tenkawano.. i mean physically light
18:48.36Tenkawai had 3 machines
18:48.51Tenkawadoing all of the weird stuff i work on
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18:49.33mnuhmnuhah, ya, laptop + wallwart + spare batt. plus ext. mouse, ...  it adds up.
18:49.35Tenkawaeven compiling a kernel right now I'm only using 634 with xfce running
18:50.17SheenMy c270 webcam max resolution is 1280*960. Using "v4l-ctl --list-formats-ext" show 1280x960 in Debian 7/8/9 and Ubuntu. But on my old Raspbian (based on Debian7) with my pi1, max resolution is only 800x600. Any idea please ?
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18:52.36shtrbdifferent kernel ?
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18:53.12mnuhmnuhdpkg-reconfigure sumthinsumthin ?
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18:58.01mnuhmnuhshtrb: removal, or disable?  i'd try the latter.
18:58.38shtrbtried disable with "interval=0" , didn't help
19:02.08mnuhmnuhi removed network-manager network-manager-gnome, now i still get messages about masked services.  meh.
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19:02.36shtrb:) I meant the package
19:03.03mnuhmnuhme too; removed.
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19:07.06bmomjianI have a 16-core server that is showing 0.2% CPU usage, but a load average near 0.5.  This is high in the past two days.  I have looked at htop and vmstat.  How would I identify the cause of the increased load average?
19:08.09SwedeMikebmomjian: load includes processes waiting for IO. So look into "iotop" and see if something is writing a lot to drives and waiting for that to complete
19:08.42bmomjianOh, I looked at iotop too.  Shows almost no I/O.
19:08.47bmomjianlike 0.0
19:08.59drablyechosbmomjian: `iostat -x 1` and see if your iowait is high
19:09.07drablyechosah
19:09.07bmomjianone thing that is odd is that sh -c 'echo $$' does the PID increasing quite a bit.
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19:10.11drablyechoshas this system been routinely updated for security updates?
19:10.36bmomjianDoes this look normal for PID advance? https://momjian.us/tmp/x.txt
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19:11.03bmomjianYes, I am Jessie 8.11
19:11.09bmomjianso I need to upgrade 9 next month
19:11.42keith4looks normal to me. if I run that one-liner, pid increases by 2, 3, or 4 each step
19:11.49drablyechosbmomjian: your PID increments look normal to me but I suppose that depends on what all you've got running on the system
19:12.06bmomjianI rebootted and still it is happening.
19:12.08xaeB5the version of smtube (youtube browser for smplayer) in debian stable displays an annoying popup every time it starts up with information about the program and updating youtube code. anyone know if there is a way to disable that?
19:12.18bmomjianYeah, thanks for the PID check up.
19:12.28drablyechosanyway 0.5 load avg on a 16 core server shouldn't be a big deal
19:12.34drablyechosyour server should be handling that with no problem
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19:12.52bmomjianit isn't but I have a load average check I run every night and it has triggered for the past two nights so I figured something changed.
19:13.20drablyechosOn multi-processor system, the load is relative to the number of processor cores available. The "100% utilization" mark is 1.00 on a single-core system, 2.00, on a dual-core, 4.00 on a quad-core, etc.
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19:13.46bmomjianI run this: awk '{if ($1 >= 0.75) printf "load average is %s\n", $1;}' /proc/loadavg
19:13.47drablyechosbmomjian: if you're running a web server or a database server or something it might just be getting more traffic in the last 2 days
19:13.55bmomjianvery true
19:14.15bmomjianI looked at apache access logs and it looks quiet.  I am thinking maybe DNS.
19:14.35drablyechosyou should increase 0.75 to a much higher number if you want to only get that alert when it's a "maybe you should start to look into this" situation
19:14.43bmomjianmaybe it is just a fluke
19:14.50drablyechosmaybe it was running updates
19:14.55drablyechoswho knows
19:15.11bmomjianhas been high for the past two days even after reboots
19:15.12drablyechosyou can install sysstat package and use sar to keep track of what's going on
19:15.44drablyechoswhy is a load avg of 0.75 your threshold for triggering alert on a 16 core server though?
19:15.49drablyechosthat would make sense on a single core server
19:16.26bmomjianI run that check at night, when the system is idle, and it does catch cases where I have a stuck processing consuming a single core.
19:18.46greycatIf that's the goal, you'd be better served looking for a single process with an exceptional amount of CPU.
19:18.51drablyechosIf you want to improve that one liner, replace the 0.75 with something that calculates the threshold based on the result of `$(grep -c 'processor' /proc/cpuinfo)`
19:19.04greycatEither total, or something more acute.
19:19.24Tenkawa<PROTECTED>
19:19.35drablyechosa load average of 16.00 would be 100% utilization on your server
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19:20.04bmomjianright, I realize that
19:22.06g0zzyI've used the save-image format with ntfsclone. Nonetheless, i'd like to restore it to a file for loop mounting. Is that possible?
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19:24.51keith4g0zzy: sure, why not? just restore to a file?
19:26.05g0zzyWell i've only seen examples of writing back it to a partition
19:27.03buuIf I've got the following unit file: http://paste.debian.net/plain/1035162
19:27.04g0zzyHave you actually written it to a file yourself?
19:27.14buuWhy is it failing to write to /tmp/zabbix/zabbix_agent.pid ?
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19:29.14greycat(if you've got a unit file, why would anything want to create a PID file...)
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19:29.37g0zzykeith4: Have you ever written one to a file yourself?
19:30.42keith4g0zzy: no, but a block device is a block device. doesn't matter.
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19:34.44buuzabbix-agent.service: Can't open PID file /tmp/zabbix/zabbix_agentd.pid (yet?) after start: No such file or directory
19:35.02greycatWell, most likely /tmp/zabbix/ does not exist.
19:35.17greycatOr something is chrooted, or cgroup-pseudo-chrooted, or whatever.
19:35.32greycatAlso PID files are an abomination.
19:35.59buugreycat: Can I tell chroot/cgroup from the unit file?
19:36.16greycatPossibly.  Also things can chroot themselves.
19:36.18buudrwxrwxrwx 2 zabbix zabbix 4096 Jul 25 14:35 /tmp/zabbix/
19:36.27buuhttp://paste.debian.net/plain/1035162
19:36.27greycatworld writable too?!?
19:36.31greycatjeeeeeesus
19:36.32buuI'm desperate
19:36.43buuOr at least, very confused
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19:49.12greycatsystemd.service(5) under PIDFile= says "systemd will not write to the file configured here"
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19:51.05greycatSo if you're supposed to tell systemd where zabbix is writing its PID file....
19:51.32buuI'm perplexed.
19:52.03greycatWhy are you putting this PIDFile= line in the unit file at all?  Why is it type forking?  Can you make it NOT do forking?
19:52.10rantruns away
19:52.17buuI didn't do any of it =[
19:52.21buugreycat: It works on stable though!
19:52.27greycat...
19:52.32buuheh heh heh
19:52.45greycatquickly stops caring
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19:59.51unmybmomjian, monitor your network usage, remember got same when some bots were hitting my net interface by random weird packets to random ports by tcp/udp
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20:00.18bmomjianWow, not sure how do to that.
20:00.24bmomjianThat would explain it.
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20:00.59unmystill you won't be abble to do with it anything but be sure to not be a part of some drdos
20:01.46unmyis prety common, isnt ddos but some harder waves of packets can come eventually
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20:05.32unmyCacti could draw something or some simple script, google should give you many answers
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20:07.18unmybmomjian, another thing to do is configure SYNPROXY by iptables if you have webserver, prety sure bots abusing it all the time
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20:11.04unmyand of course tcpdump is your best friend :)
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20:11.41g0zzykeith4: sorry - was about to say that i was thinking that ntfsclone restore might need to alter the partition table or something when special format is being used
20:11.47bmomjianAh, tcpdump seems good.
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20:15.29bmomjiantcpdump shows tons of sunrpc hits.  That could be it.
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20:23.23unmybmomjian, good luck! :)
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20:29.58RoyKbites:
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20:30.12RoyKbmomjian: tshark is a bit better
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20:36.17bmomjian/sbin/rpcbind -w is showing up in htop quite  a bit, which matches the tcpdump output
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20:51.00buuSo uh
20:51.25buuIf I have a process owned by user X then I add a group to X; that process doesn't have the group right?
20:51.31buuAnd if so, how do I tell which groups a process has?
20:51.47greycatProcesses are not "owned" -- they run with a specific UID, GID, and list of supplementary groups.
20:52.05greycatThose are inherited from the parent at the time the process is created.
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20:52.26greycatIf you want a process to run with different privileges, you kill it and start a new one.
20:54.19greycatIt's entirely up to the parent process to give itself the correct privs before forking/execing the process you actually want.  If the thing that starts your process is, say, systemd, then it most likely does NOT slurp up all the supplementary groups from /etc/group for daemons that it launches.
20:55.00greycatsystemd.exec(5) has SupplementaryGroups=
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21:00.11buuFair enough
21:00.16buuHow do I make ps tell me groups
21:00.51greycatman ps, search for the word "groups" repeatedly
21:01.46buufgroup ?
21:02.28greycatif you prefer, you can try searching for the word "supplementary" instead, but that's less reliable as a general heuristic
21:02.31blackflowbuu: check out specifiers for -o
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21:05.27buu1892 zabbix   zabbix,docker
21:05.34buuSeems like it pulled them in?
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22:07.16bmomjianI blocked the sunrpc IP address with IP tables.
22:08.23abrotmanlooks for context
22:08.34abrotmanoh
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22:20.35mirage335How does Debian instruct linux kernel to *wait* for *root* to be *before* loading *firmware*? Trying to compile a custom kernel, but it fails to load AMDGPU firmware.
22:20.52mirage335I already know I can workaround this, but I want to know how to do it right.
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22:31.30rantgpu firmware isn't really needed until the system is booted, but I suppose you could put it in initrd or something
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22:32.12mirage335Of course, but the debian kernels work as is, and they *don't* have any problems.
22:32.15rantmy gpu firmware isn't even required for use of the displays, only for more advanced features
22:32.28mirage335Debian stock kernels just work if the firmware is present under /lib/firmware .
22:32.43rantlike without it I can only clone the display, if I want to xinerama / span desktop I need the irmware
22:32.48mirage335My debian kernel packages freeze the display as soon as the modeset module is laoded.
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22:33.03mirage335Yes, yes, I know. Though for AMD, the firmware is needed to load any modeset driver.
22:33.11mirage335ie. anything but framebuffer
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22:33.25mirage335I am trying to figure out what the Debian stock kernel does differently.
22:33.52rantshrugs
22:33.53mirage335Does it instruct the kernel not to load the module until later? Does it patch the kernel to prevent it from loading the module unnecessarily?
22:34.17rantmaybe ask the debian kernel team
22:34.28mirage335Do they have an IRC channel?
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22:35.36rantmirage335: https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianKernel   #debian-kernel on OFTC
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22:36.13mirage335Thanks, I'll look into that.
22:36.32mirage335In the meantime, I was hoping one of the 1528 people here would know. ;)
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22:37.10rantwell you can hold your breath on that, but you should probably tell me your address so I can tell the paramedics where to go :2~P
22:38.04skaI spent half an hour trying to get /etc/network/interfaces changes to the primary network port to work. I just keept using the old address. Even after restarting networking, and 20 manual ifup/ifdowns
22:38.20skaWhy ccan't I get those changes to stick?
22:38.45skaI don't use network-manager either.
22:39.23unmyska, and ethernet interface got multiple IP addresses?
22:40.03skaNope.. its dirt simple.. Only lo and enp0s*
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22:42.54unmyska, what "ip a" showing
22:43.09unmyand what address?
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22:47.38ska192.168.1.1 .
22:47.53skaRebooting allowd it to work, but I can't figure why.
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23:04.23EnyxxHello, after trying to upgrade a VPS kernel i realised it was actually an OpenVZ host ... and tried to clean up my mess. I'm now at a point where i reinstalled manually the image and header (using dpkg -i and the supplied .deb from openvz.org). However uname -r returns "2.6.32-042stab127.2" and the installed header are in /lib/modules/2.6.32-openvz-042stab127.2-amd64 resulting in an error from depmod.
23:04.58EnyxxFurthermore when forcing the correct folder (depmod 2.6.32-openvz-042stab127.2-amd64) i get the following error: "depmod: WARNING: could not open /lib/modules/2.6.32-openvz-042stab127.2-amd64/modules.builtin: No such file or directory"
23:05.25EnyxxAnyone knows what i did wrong and how to fix it ?
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23:17.18bitesEnyxx: you installed a kernel image inside your container? containers share the kernel with the host.
23:17.42Enyxxbites: i know that's why i said i tried to clean up my mess :D
23:17.50bitesand kernel modules are loaded on the host.
23:18.00bitesso remove the packages you installed?
23:18.36Enyxxi did, and i tried to reinstall the correct headers etc.. That's when i got into my current situation
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23:19.30biteswhat do you need the headers for?
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23:21.42Enyxxwell, for exemple, i currently can't do a mount on an iso ... and when i try to check for mount in modinfo i get "could not open builtin file '/lib/modules/2.6.32-042stab127.2/modules.builtin.bin' modinfo: ERROR: Module mount not found."
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23:27.23bitesreally, just use a hoster that does not use openvz 6...
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23:28.56Enyxxbites: well yeah, but for now i have to fix my issue ... Did i install headers properly ? How can i change the headers / linux to follow the same name as my uname returns ?
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23:31.06bitescreate a symlink if the path is wrong. but i don't think it will help you much.
23:32.39Enyxxbites: i tried, it still gives off the errors, for one there is no "modules.builtin" file, and there is a "modules.builtin.bin" but mount modinfo still tells me it could not open the file ... i'm really lost tbh
23:33.19bitesi know, i can recreate the issue on the few openvz containers we have left.
23:33.40bitesmind you, i don't do much with them anyway.
23:34.52Enyxxbites: any idea on what i could do ?
23:40.01bitesit complains because a module it needs is not loaded. you don't need /lib/modules in an openvz container. it needs to be enabled by the host. contact your vps provider.
23:40.37bitesor did this work before you tried to install the kernel image?
23:40.51Enyxxi mean, it was, everything was set up correctly before i tried upgrading
23:41.01Enyxxat the end of my upgrade adventure everythign was empty
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23:42.16Enyxxafter clearing the packages etc... modules was empty and dpkg -l | grep linux-i returned nothing
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23:46.11bitesand dpkg -l | grep head  also?
23:47.23Enyxxbites: yep empty too, now they contain linux-headers-2.6.32-openvz-042stab127.2-amd64 for header and linux-image-2.6.32-openvz-042stab127.2-amd64 for image
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23:52.39bitesdon't really know, sorry.
23:53.12Enyxxbites: np, ty for trying, hope someone else will know. I'll repeat the problem just in case :D
23:53.22EnyxxHello, after trying to upgrade a VPS kernel i realised it was actually an OpenVZ host ... and tried to clean up my mess. I'm now at a point where i reinstalled manually the image and header (using dpkg -i and the supplied .deb from openvz.org). However uname -r returns "2.6.32-042stab127.2" and the installed header are in /lib/modules/2.6.32-openvz-042stab127.2-amd64 resulting in an error from depmod.
23:53.33EnyxxFurthermore when forcing the correct folder (depmod 2.6.32-openvz-042stab127.2-amd64) i get the following error: "depmod: WARNING: could not open /lib/modules/2.6.32-openvz-042stab127.2-amd64/modules.builtin: No such file or directory"  Anyone knows what i did wrong and how to fix it ?
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