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| 01:18.58 | goose | I've got a headless home server which I want to set up system encryption on (basically everything except /boot). I've found various guides when google'ing how to do this, but they mention different methods/programs for encryption. What's the "standard"/go-to encryption software I should be looking at using? |
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| 01:41.13 | rue_ | I'm trying to collect spambot information, I need to have a count of around 22 or more people in a channel that dosn't matter, could I get some volunteers to join #gnaatrap? |
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| 01:42.26 | AciD` | hey guys, anybody knows if a updated version of the 'Understanding Debian, the universal operating system' image has been released somewhere? (see http://3d2ixy3hf5o5dllmr3zqz2qc.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/debian-single-image.jpg) |
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| 01:53.03 | rant | AciD`: y'know who might know about that... THE GUY WHO'S NAME AND EMAIL is on the bottom :P |
| 01:53.43 | AciD` | sure, although with 1297 Debian users on IRC, one might get a faster answer here |
| 01:54.24 | AciD` | better yet, have another version from another creator |
| 01:55.35 | rant | I'm not a betting man, but if I were, I'm willing to bet out of 1297 users on IRC as you say, you're the only one who ever knew that existed :p |
| 01:56.25 | rant | cause I been using Debian SINCE Potato, and been here about that long too (about 15 years) and I never seen it before |
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| 01:57.06 | rant | nor do I see any utility in it other than maybe one of those office posters big companies have all over the place |
| 01:57.40 | KelinerALOC | Wow, 15 years are longer than I have lived... |
| 01:58.05 | rant | that really only says, we put a lot of time and effort into making nice looking material nobody will use for anything but to act impressed at how much time we spend doing such things |
| 01:58.35 | rant | KelinerALOC: sorry to hear that, what do you make of this planet? :P |
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| 02:01.04 | KelinerALOC | rant Err...I don't sure.I am a Chinese and I'm 13... |
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| 02:02.02 | rant | KelinerALOC: well, you ok then, or you need help with something? |
| 02:02.24 | somiaj | funny the image suggests testing for 'general users' |
| 02:02.34 | rant | yeah that rubbed me the wrong way too |
| 02:03.00 | KelinerALOC | rant I am here for loneliness? Linux is cool. |
| 02:03.27 | rant | KelinerALOC: ah ok, well maybe check out #debian-offtopic and hang out here to learn more ;) |
| 02:04.32 | KelinerALOC | rant You're right :) |
| 02:05.07 | rant | KelinerALOC: I'm just glad you weren't gonna say you needed help collecting the debt we (US) owe China.. cause I was gonna refer you to that big orange moron.. |
| 02:06.14 | rant | KelinerALOC: even a broken clock is right twice a day. |
| 02:07.06 | rant | thinks . o O (unless its digital and uses 12hr time..) |
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| 02:07.33 | Javabean | or analog 24hr time |
| 02:07.47 | rant | they have analog 24hr clocks? |
| 02:07.53 | KelinerALOC | rant I rather don't have much interest in the country...Are you now in the midnight? |
| 02:08.07 | iflema | rant: once |
| 02:08.20 | iflema | rant: what if the arms are torn off? |
| 02:08.46 | Javabean | it would still be right twice a day iflema, but you couldn't tell |
| 02:09.06 | rant | KelinerALOC: no its like 10pm on the East Coast and about 7pm on the West coast here |
| 02:09.08 | iflema | nope... |
| 02:09.14 | Javabean | whereas an analog 24hr clock is only right once a day, i seen them at a store not long ago |
| 02:09.26 | iflema | Javabean: i like them |
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| 02:09.32 | iflema | huge |
| 02:09.34 | KelinerALOC | rant 10:09 am here |
| 02:10.01 | KelinerALOC | This is the first time to see so many active people here! |
| 02:10.02 | Javabean | 20:10 here |
| 02:10.21 | dvs | and here |
| 02:10.29 | dvs | oops 22:10 |
| 02:10.33 | dvs | darn military time |
| 02:10.55 | rant | KelinerALOC: this is not the official Debian channel anymore. This is the legacy support channel which was Offical back when I first came here. Debian has moved to the OFTC irc network |
| 02:11.19 | rant | KelinerALOC: are you a Debian user? |
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| 02:12.39 | KelinerALOC | rant yeah, A Distribution System named parrot . I'm now in irssi on a MATE Terminal |
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| 02:13.28 | rant | KelinerALOC: ah, thats not Debian, but kudos on the text based IRC client |
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| 02:14.07 | KelinerALOC | rant Agh...I am so sorry |
| 02:14.27 | rant | KelinerALOC: I wouldn't get too caught up on those specialty distros were I you.. certainly cool to play with if you have the time.. but its best to be part of a distro with a large friendly support community |
| 02:14.42 | rant | KelinerALOC: anything you can do on those others you can probably manage to do on Debian. |
| 02:15.45 | KelinerALOC | rant I like to write some programs by Common Lisp |
| 02:15.56 | rant | grins |
| 02:16.07 | rant | KelinerALOC: you had a look at sawfish? |
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| 02:17.51 | KelinerALOC | rant Nope, Common Lisp with SBCL |
| 02:17.58 | rant | KelinerALOC: it was the Window Manager for Gnome back in the day.. I still use it but its fallen behind in development a bit. It's written in lisp. Its one of the most powerful window managers ever created. Its just fallen out of style due to lack of proper support for EWMH and Themes and such |
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| 02:19.22 | KelinerALOC | rant Emacs is good,too |
| 02:19.57 | rant | well, aside from not chosing to go with Debian, I'm with you so far.. heh |
| 02:20.24 | KelinerALOC | rant Thanks for recommending |
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| 02:21.48 | rant | KelinerALOC: consider looking over https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian and https://www.debian.org/social_contract and consider what I said about community and support.. see what you think of those documents and if it sounds good to you, Debian might be what you're really looking for and not some spinoff |
| 02:23.50 | KelinerALOC | rant Thank you! You can also look over this https://www.parrotsec.org/ |
| 02:24.38 | KelinerALOC | rant I think I'm not so good at English .... agh |
| 02:25.54 | KelinerALOC | rant I am just a primary school student... but thanks a lot:) |
| 02:27.11 | KelinerALOC | rant The parrot offical site says : Parrot is a GNU/Linux distribution based on Debian Testing and designed with Security, Development and Privacy in mind. |
| 02:27.25 | rant | KelinerALOC: you are doing quite well, and I can understand why you might be interested in parrot if you are in PRC, but we don't support that here. |
| 02:27.48 | KelinerALOC | So I think I am also a debian user ...(HAPPY:) |
| 02:28.50 | rant | no, you are being seduced by one of the vast MANY debian spinoffs and thats keeping you from learning to do those things that specific spinoff is geared toward, yourself and alienating yourself from a large knowledgeable Debian community by not just using Debian |
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| 02:29.15 | rant | wonders how/why he put |
| 02:29.21 | rant | "yourself" in there twice |
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| 02:29.51 | rant | ah.. I see.. bad grammar |
| 02:29.52 | rant | heh |
| 02:30.03 | KelinerALOC | Err...I am trying to understand |
| 02:30.33 | rant | KelinerALOC: each of the distros based on debian are specializing in one specific thing.. |
| 02:30.46 | rant | KelinerALOC: people get lured into them because they are interested in that thing. |
| 02:30.58 | rant | KelinerALOC: this causes you to not learn to do that thing on your own. |
| 02:31.04 | rant | because they already did it for you |
| 02:31.25 | rant | then you are not recieving the help and support of the debian community because you are not actually using debian |
| 02:31.38 | rant | which in the end would result in a smart young person like yourself not learning as much as you could be |
| 02:32.47 | KelinerALOC | rant I see ... I will try using LINUX by myself |
| 02:33.37 | rant | KelinerALOC: my personal recommendation is to install Debian stable, hang out here and other places, and try out things like parrot and such inside a virtual machine such as VirtualBox or such |
| 02:34.11 | rant | that way you have the stability and support of debian, and you learn to interact with and implement the things you toy with yourself |
| 02:35.23 | KelinerALOC | rant Thank you for your guidance. |
| 02:36.39 | KelinerALOC | I thought more about programing before |
| 02:37.16 | KelinerALOC | But nothing much in system... |
| 02:37.52 | KelinerALOC | rant Are you interested in AI? |
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| 02:41.15 | KelinerALOC | language is also a big problem for me that I have no idea to ...to use something advanced |
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| 02:47.25 | rant | you really should look into #debian-offtopic and other channels, this channel is for support of Debian Stable, #debian-offtopic is a more social channel |
| 02:48.54 | KelinerALOC | Yup I will |
| 02:49.19 | KelinerALOC | I've love debian |
| 02:52.16 | KelinerALOC | I think the channel #debian-offtopic is more difficult to search than here |
| 02:52.36 | KelinerALOC | But i'm happy to join that |
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| 03:59.23 | zumba_addict | any suggestions which terminal I should install? I don't like the currently installed one. I want something similar to my Iterm2 or maybe even better |
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| 04:09.09 | zumba_addict | i install terminator and it looks fine |
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| 04:12.32 | jgkamat | zumba_addict: yah, terminator, gnome terminal, or konsole are the most feature filled |
| 04:12.46 | jgkamat | I like urxvt myself though :P |
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| 04:27.43 | zumba_addict | cool |
| 04:28.01 | zumba_addict | i think i remember using urxvt back in 2000 |
| 04:28.10 | zumba_addict | i remember it has transparancy support |
| 04:29.56 | zumba_addict | hitting the bed earlier today. So sleepy now |
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| 04:30.32 | aloo_shu | I have an irrational fondness for xfce4-terminal, but for those who've seen it all, there remains cool-retro-term |
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| 04:33.22 | zumba_addict | i'll check it out tomorrow |
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| 05:37.34 | jgkamat | cool-retro-term is the king of all terminals :P |
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| 05:38.18 | KelinerALOC | I think MATE terminal is also good |
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| 05:42.50 | aloo_shu | jgkamat: glad to help :) |
| 05:43.03 | jgkamat | :D |
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| 05:44.17 | aloo_shu | credit goes to GMaq aka avlinux in whose debian-based AVLinux I saw it |
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| 05:55.20 | kale | hi, i have at some point been running testing by mistake, and downgraded to stretch again. but i still have som remaning issues. when i want to install gtk+3.0 it gives something like: "libwxgtk-media3.0-gtk3-0v5 : Depends: libwxbase3.0-0v5 (>= 3.0.4+dfsg) but 3.0.2+dfsg-4 is to be installed". How do i figure out which package gives me this problem? |
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| 05:55.24 | no_gravity | Good Morning |
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| 05:59.45 | KelinerALOC | kale Maybe you already have the lastest one or you can check the lastest one and install |
| 06:00.03 | kale | KelinerALOC: package is not installed |
| 06:00.13 | hexnewbie | kale: There's aptitude why-not |
| 06:00.32 | no_gravity | Anybody here who is using Mate and knows how to customize it? |
| 06:00.49 | kyych | Compiz should do the work |
| 06:01.07 | no_gravity | kyych: Do you mean me? |
| 06:01.36 | kyych | yup |
| 06:01.53 | no_gravity | kyych: As far as I know, Mate is based on Gnome 2 and Gnome 2 can be styled with CSS, right? |
| 06:02.19 | no_gravity | What I am trying to achieve is have a padding around the terminal emulator. |
| 06:04.17 | no_gravity | But I can't even figure out where those CSS files are that define the look of Mate. |
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| 06:09.00 | Haohmaru | i made btrfs partitions for this debian here (unscientific choice), was it a bad idea? |
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| 06:14.38 | kale | Haohmaru: i have been using it for about a year now, it has worked fine for me |
| 06:14.51 | Haohmaru | same |
| 06:15.20 | no_gravity | Ha! I was able to change a style by creating a file ~/.gtkrc-2.0 |
| 06:15.23 | no_gravity | What I am trying to achieve is to have a padding in the terminal window. Any ideas how to do that? |
| 06:15.49 | Haohmaru | but the hard disk on this was kinda small-ish, and now the debian on this is used for more things than i initially expected, i've ran out of space two or three times already |
| 06:16.31 | kale | Haohmaru: check for old package file is /var/cache/apt |
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| 06:17.19 | Haohmaru | i freed up space, but still.. the size of the partitions was quite conservative |
| 06:17.32 | kale | Haohmaru: are you using lvm? |
| 06:17.43 | Haohmaru | mmm, i doubt |
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| 06:18.31 | kale | you should be able to change partition sizes with parted while the system is running |
| 06:18.40 | Haohmaru | o_O |
| 06:18.55 | Haohmaru | i thought that's not possible |
| 06:19.20 | Haohmaru | (and i normally use a GUI editor like gparted) |
| 06:20.45 | Haohmaru | or maybe i'm confusing it with the "you can't (don't want to) make an image of the linux while it's running" |
| 06:21.41 | kale | Haohmaru: it will work, but you have to do it right. what are your partitions? |
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| 06:23.46 | Haohmaru | 4.66GB swap, 14GB /, 30GB /home, 26GB unallocated |
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| 06:28.17 | Haohmaru | forgot to mention the silly 100MB ntfs boot partition |
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| 06:28.33 | kale | Haohmaru: if you do "du -hs /*" then you should see which of those dirs take up the most space. you can then make a partition for that directory in you unallocated space and mount it there instead |
| 06:29.02 | Haohmaru | hmz |
| 06:29.03 | kale | Haohmaru: i would recommend taking a look at lvm |
| 06:29.24 | Haohmaru | i think i've looked into it, but it seems complicated at first |
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| 06:31.48 | kale | Haohmaru: i guess so. what you need to get it running is to create a physical volume, create a volume group on that, and the the lvm partitions in the volume group. it would require some cleverness to switch without reinstalling. |
| 06:32.35 | Haohmaru | i think it's not worth to attempt such stunts in my case |
| 06:33.10 | Haohmaru | i'm more considering switching from stretch to testing so i can get a few newer versions of the programs i use |
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| 06:34.59 | Haohmaru | i'm wondering.. if i make the 26GB unalocated chunk be a new "/", and then maybe wipe the old 14GB "/" and glue it onto the /home partition without disturbing the files, then install testing onto that |
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| 06:50.22 | rant | Haohmaru: are the programs something huge like a desktop environment? Cause if not there are other ways |
| 06:50.57 | rant | Haohmaru: if you care to be specific right now, I can make an assessment and give you options |
| 06:51.56 | Haohmaru | rant yes, i got LXDE and i'm using it for CAD stuff |
| 06:52.21 | [Signal] | in essence of things, programs are that wide. |
| 06:52.25 | rant | well I dont even use LXDE and I can assure you it has nothing at all to do with CAD |
| 06:53.02 | Haohmaru | but i can't do anything right now because i'm using it.. but soonish i'm considering moving it to "testing" |
| 06:53.28 | Haohmaru | rant uhm, well, i need some desktop to run the CAD programs, lxde is my choice |
| 06:53.39 | rant | well if you move to testing you're saying I no longer will be getting support here in this channel, and I know how to solve basic package breakages and use the BTS on my own |
| 06:54.09 | rant | where if you actually have new features in a SPECIFIC program we can look into other options to keep you on stable and get that newer program |
| 06:54.27 | Haohmaru | oh wait, i have misunderstood you |
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| 06:55.43 | rant | like blender for example is stretch: 2.78.a+dfsg0-4; buster: 2.79.b+dfsg0-1; sid: 2.79.b+dfsg0-2 very little difference |
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| 06:57.10 | Haohmaru | i want kicad5 basically |
| 06:58.14 | Haohmaru | but it might break my current projects (which are done with kicad4) so i might have to be able to also run kicad4 in an emergency situation |
| 06:58.25 | rant | Haohmaru: that looks to be somethign really simple to backport.. are you at all familiar with the ssb proceedure? Its really simple |
| 06:58.42 | Haohmaru | i guess i'm not |
| 06:58.50 | rant | Haohmaru: well in that case you may want a chroot rather than a backport |
| 06:59.08 | rant | Haohmaru: so you can keep the stretch 4.x and install the buster/sid 5.x in a chroot |
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| 06:59.24 | Haohmaru | hm |
| 06:59.59 | rant | Haohmaru: there is no reason to go possibly breaking your system to get a couple newer programs an SSB and a chroot are the best and simplest two options |
| 07:00.45 | Haohmaru | btw, i've already done some "naughty" things to get 4.0.7 onto stretch, because the version in synaptic was still 4.0.5 |
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| 07:01.25 | rant | well 4.0.7 is in backports, and thats not naughty.. if you didnt use the backports version, then you're just showing how little you know Debian and exactly why you shouldnt be moving to testing |
| 07:02.00 | Haohmaru | nah, i was instructed how to get 4.0.7 properly (here) |
| 07:02.21 | Haohmaru | i call it naughty cuz it was via commands, while i usually use synaptic |
| 07:02.21 | rant | not only is getting both 4.0.7 and 5.0.0 easy in stable, but we have some regulars here who use kicad regularly for work and play and can support it well for you |
| 07:02.31 | rant | if you go switching to testing you lose that support |
| 07:03.19 | Haohmaru | i know i had installed testing at home, iirc just a little bit before "stretch" came out as "stable" |
| 07:04.11 | Haohmaru | tried out a bunch of DEs and what not, later i changed it to "stretch" |
| 07:04.42 | rant | yes well just before/during a freeze isnt so bad.. cause it'll be stable real soon.. but we can't and dont suppot testing here.. you not only are left going to OTFC and dealing with a more narrow support group, but you are expected to know how to solve basic issues and report more complex ones |
| 07:05.00 | rant | people aren't going to offer you the same level of support when you declare you're a tester not a normal user |
| 07:05.16 | Haohmaru | yeah, i get that |
| 07:05.31 | Haohmaru | oftc was a little bit more like the wild west ;P~ |
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| 07:05.49 | rant | and I can't express enough that there are very simple ways to get newer packages in Stable |
| 07:05.54 | rant | !ssb |
| 07:05.55 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 07:06.25 | rant | that proceedure right there is dead simple.. it may be a lil confusing at first but once you do it and see how easy it is.. |
| 07:07.11 | rant | the other is to create a dir somewhere.. /srv/, /opt/, /home/, /usr/local/ wherever you like and use debootstrap to install testing/unstable in it.. |
| 07:07.29 | Haohmaru | that takes the source codez for a program from the debian testing, and builds it? |
| 07:07.39 | rant | then you can chroot to that dir and install apps and run them from within that chroot |
| 07:08.03 | rant | Haohmaru: exactly, it uses apt to fetch the newer source and build a package against the STABLE dependencies |
| 07:08.11 | Haohmaru | oh |
| 07:08.24 | Haohmaru | so it builds a .deb file |
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| 07:09.33 | rant | Haohmaru: so if foo-1.2 in stable depends on bar-5.4 and foo-2.7 in testing depends on bar-6.3 in testing you backport it, apt fetches the source for foo-2.7 in testing and builds it against bar-5.4 in stable |
| 07:09.47 | rant | then you have a deb file of the newer foo that works with all the older bars |
| 07:10.14 | Haohmaru | okay, i can't try any of that here right now, but i could try it at home, since i don't have urgent kicad projects there |
| 07:11.10 | rant | yes well when you backport the new backport deb is gonna replace the existing version.. if you wanna keep both versions you either need a more complex backporting proceedure or you need to use a chroot |
| 07:11.52 | rant | a chroot is a whole other install inside a directory which can run programs on top of but seperate from your running system |
| 07:12.37 | rant | debootstrap is a handy tool you can use that will install a base-install of any given branch from any given repo into a directory to use as a chroot |
| 07:13.22 | rant | you need to learn how to do things like this, and how to use the BTS and all that before you even think of moving to testing/unstable or you're only going to cause yourself and volunteer supporters more problems |
| 07:14.00 | Haohmaru | is this whole process explained (even just briefly) somewhere on a webpage so i can study it a bit more at home? |
| 07:14.42 | Haohmaru | i think i did "chroot" once when i messed up something in grub due to incompleted kernel update |
| 07:15.10 | Haohmaru | but, i think it's not the same kind of usage as here |
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| 07:25.19 | rant | yes chroot is very simply a commmand that runs another command, much like su or sudo does, only where those run it as a different user, chroot runs it changing the root directory so the program cannot see beyond the path specified and considers that path its root |
| 07:25.58 | rant | the thing that makes it effective in this use case is debootstrap which installs a debian base system including apt and such into a directory |
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| 07:26.38 | rant | you need only install chroot and debootstrap and read their manpages, and when in doubt come here and most anyone can help you.. and dpkg can always recite the ssb mantra to you by doing /msg dpkg ssb |
| 07:27.36 | rant | right now I need to grab an hour sleep |
| 07:28.03 | Haohmaru | okay, thanks |
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| 07:38.44 | hans_ | it appears firefox-esr doesn't come with... unicode support by default - https://i.imgur.com/1c2YUyq.png |
| 07:38.54 | hans_ | how can i get unicode support with the firefox-esr package? |
| 07:38.58 | hans_ | debian 9 |
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| 07:43.28 | hans_ | iceweasel doesn't either, apparently |
| 07:45.05 | hans_ | huh, neither chromium |
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| 07:46.31 | colo-work | hans_, it's not firefox that's your problem; you don't have the necessary fonts installed to render these codepoints :) |
| 07:46.32 | colo-work | try `apt-cache search --names-only font`, and pick your poision |
| 07:46.33 | colo-work | ttf-unifont is a reasonable fallback for most stuff |
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| 07:48.41 | hans_ | colo-work, that fixed chromium! (but not firefox-esr for some reason. i did shut down all visible windows but maybe something in the background, or maybe it needs a restart? either way, chromium works) |
| 07:48.42 | arahael | Install them all! :) |
| 07:49.13 | AciD` | rant â¹ I hear you ; I too never encountered that infography before today, and I've been using Debian for longer than you apparently |
| 07:49.13 | colo-work | hans_, restarting the x11 application should suffice |
| 07:49.27 | AciD` | but it looks ok for a presentation about Debian |
| 07:49.48 | AciD` | also, testing for general users, huh ;) |
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| 08:30.17 | furrymcgee | Haohmaru, rant, this snippet is about debootstrap and schroot of a netinst.iso image http://paste.debian.net/1036365 |
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| 08:33.36 | furrymcgee | Haohmaru, rant, this snippet is about debootstrap and schroot of a netinst.iso image http://paste.debian.net/1036365 |
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| 08:47.07 | _wrksx | hey there |
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| 08:47.37 | _wrksx | what "module" is used to auto mount partitions when plugging an USB device |
| 08:48.19 | _wrksx | and does it rely on the fstab if it contains info about this device ? |
| 08:52.51 | Haohmaru | there are probably mutliple ways it can be done, i know some filemanagers can even auto-mount such devices (PCManFM for example) |
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| 09:23.21 | ntz | hello |
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| 09:24.34 | ntz | I want to reduce the LV that is filled 55/300GB by 50GBs ... lvreduce manpage is rather scary saying, that all data on reduced extends will be lost ... did some test and seems like that the |
| 09:24.59 | ntz | lvreduce -L -${size}G -v -r /dev/rpool/home |
| 09:25.05 | ntz | ^^ will work |
| 09:25.34 | ntz | can somebody confirm that reducing ext4 with -r via lvreduce will work without loosing the data ? |
| 09:25.46 | bites | that's what it's for. |
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| 09:26.00 | ntz | yeah, but what manpage says is scary ... :P |
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| 09:26.25 | ntz | bites: I've tried that just for test here but now just asking again because I'm going to do it with real data |
| 09:26.26 | bites | it reduces the filesystem first, then the lv. so none of your data gets lost. |
| 09:26.34 | ntz | cool, thanks |
| 09:27.41 | bites | make sure you have updates and all that. |
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| 09:28.12 | bites | lvm has the tendency to crap out at the worst of times. |
| 09:28.13 | ntz | bites: oldstable :D |
| 09:28.24 | bites | eh, backups not updates. |
| 09:28.31 | bites | brain not fully bootes yet. |
| 09:28.45 | bites | *booted. see? |
| 09:29.49 | ntz | I did it already ... it passed .. fsck.ext4 /dev/rpool/home says it's clean |
| 09:30.50 | ntz | I'm always saying to ppl that when they are installing a new system that they should always leave se free PEs in VG if possible, they don't listen :P |
| 09:31.01 | ntz | **s/se/some/ |
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| 09:34.10 | ntz | thanks and bye !!! |
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| 09:43.50 | sine0 | guys anyone have experience of domain transfers, does the dns info have to be setup before the transfer or does it naturally preserve it |
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| 09:47.32 | Fox | by "dns info" do you mean "dns zone" ? |
| 09:48.00 | bites | last time i changed my registrar it did not preserve. |
| 09:48.14 | Fox | it can't preserve |
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| 09:49.04 | jelly | sine0, you need to copy zone data yourself to your new dns provider |
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| 09:50.25 | sine0 | Fox, k, jelly: but how do I get all the information to carry over, I can do dig lookups, but not sure how I get all the information. this is working business with busy mail and I have been putting off this process... |
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| 09:50.56 | sine0 | I know how to setup DNS info, but just wondering about downtime of the dns |
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| 09:51.04 | sine0 | and how to make sure I get all the txt records and such |
| 09:51.27 | Fox | sine0: you don't have access to the actual dns zone ? |
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| 09:52.39 | sine0 | Fox: what do you mean the actual dns zone? im sorry but I have lots of domains and I setup the mx/a/ns on them, but this is with someone else who I have contact with via email, and my client wants me to take ownership of the domain onto an account |
| 09:53.16 | sine0 | Do i need a printout/csv export from his godaddy account ? |
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| 09:53.34 | Fox | sine0: ask this "someone else" to give you the informations to access the DNS zone |
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| 09:54.39 | sine0 | Fox: ok that is fair enough, but for example I wouldnt know how to give you access to a dns zone of my domains, so I wouldnt know how to access one either, I will look it up, is it like guest access to the table ? |
| 09:54.42 | Fox | sine0: I'm sure godaddy does give access to you're zone details via their website |
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| 09:57.02 | Fox | s/you're/your/ sorry |
| 09:57.10 | Fox | sorry, not a native english speaker :) |
| 09:58.29 | sine0 | Fox: I have looked at an account I have and there is an export and import zone file, I have grabbed an export txt |
| 09:58.38 | sine0 | looks like I can use that |
| 09:59.31 | Fox | sure ! |
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| 11:31.25 | ngomes | hi ! using debian 9 netinstall. how to setup debian to install proprietary nvidia drivers using DKMS api ? |
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| 11:32.32 | ngomes | something, that uppon kernel update can configure my graphics card without me having to install the drivers from scratch |
| 11:33.13 | jelly | !nvidia dkms |
| 11:33.13 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
| 11:33.21 | jelly | !non-free sources |
| 11:33.22 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 11:33.32 | jelly | ngomes, ^^ |
| 11:34.55 | ngomes | jelly, i'm on it , thank |
| 11:34.57 | ngomes | jelly, i'm on it , thanks |
| 11:35.19 | jelly | two thank equal one thanks yes |
| 11:35.28 | ngomes | :) |
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| 11:52.40 | ngomes | !mesa |
| 11:52.40 | dpkg | Mesa 3D is an open source implementation of the <OpenGL> API. http://mesa3d.org/ #dri-devel on irc.freenode.net. See also <glx>. |
| 11:52.50 | ngomes | !glx |
| 11:52.50 | dpkg | GLX (OpenGL Extension to the X Window System) enables programs wanting to use <OpenGL> to do so, via a window provided by X Window System. http://web.archive.org/web/20080510115750/http://www.sgi.com/products/software/opensource/glx/ |
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| 11:56.36 | ngomes | is there a ppa to install latest version on mesa ? |
| 11:56.50 | ngomes | on = of |
| 11:57.28 | kopper | Don't use PPA on Debian |
| 11:57.55 | ngomes | ok |
| 11:58.08 | ngomes | a lot more work with configs |
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| 12:08.34 | AeCEgGfTv5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:08.46 | AeCEgGfTv5 | can someone review my iptables to ensure they are secure and restrictive? |
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| 12:10.57 | aloo_shu | AeCEgGfTv5: there's also #networking |
| 12:11.18 | AeCEgGfTv5 | yeah I asked them too...no response |
| 12:12.01 | AeCEgGfTv5 | it seems not many people do advanced/custom routers, even very few articles on the internet |
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| 12:12.53 | kopper | For iptables rules, how about #netfilter? |
| 12:13.25 | AeCEgGfTv5 | letme try that thanks |
| 12:13.37 | aloo_shu | from what I hear, in to world of open-rwt they set up more custom things |
| 12:14.37 | AeCEgGfTv5 | i don't really trust open-rwt and dd-wrt. DD-wrt developers are not good, one release had a "accidental" backdoor and the developer did not inform anybody about it |
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| 12:15.25 | kopper | Arguably it's better than intentional backdoors by the manufacturers |
| 12:15.40 | jediofthecode | Hey, is anyone here running stretch on a dell 9370? |
| 12:15.52 | kopper | And at least ddwrt gets updates |
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| 12:15.56 | jediofthecode | I had some issues with it a few weeks ago when i tried it, and was wondering if anyone else had the same issues |
| 12:15.58 | _AleX_ | hi all. howto change the mount options of /run/user/1000 ? |
| 12:16.02 | AeCEgGfTv5 | this one was dangerous, it was routing traffic to an ip address |
| 12:16.19 | AeCEgGfTv5 | there was no public statement from the dd-wrt developers about it |
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| 12:16.31 | AeCEgGfTv5 | so some people are probably still running that release |
| 12:16.37 | jediofthecode | i also had a problem with gnome on stretch.Docker is creating virtual network interfaces but they're all showing up under the 'dropdown' menu |
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| 12:22.25 | _AleX_ | hi all. howto change the mount options of /run/user/1000 ? |
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| 12:23.12 | jelly | _AleX_, that's probably a systemd or policykit tunable, why? |
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| 12:24.07 | _AleX_ | jelly: i dont find a configuration file for pam_systemd |
| 12:24.40 | _AleX_ | (/run/user/<pid> is managed by pam_systemd) |
| 12:25.35 | aloo_shu | _AleX_: as root, mount -o remount,<option>[.<option>..] /run/user/1000 - is that really a mountpoint? also, man mount |
| 12:25.58 | jelly | that's really a mountpoint, and they're not asking how do to it once |
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| 12:26.38 | greycat | do we actually know what they're asking? |
| 12:26.44 | _AleX_ | aloo_shu: i hesitate to do that because /run/user/1000 is managed by a pam module. Did you try before ? |
| 12:26.53 | jelly | I'd like to hear the "why" but.. |
| 12:27.10 | jelly | ... I don't have a ready answer anyway |
| 12:27.11 | greycat | No. Literally nobody on the entire planet has ever "tried before". This request is bonkers. WHAT are you trying to do? |
| 12:27.40 | jelly | _AleX_, what's wrong with default mount settings? |
| 12:28.14 | _AleX_ | jelly: i need to have a suid program in the home dir of the user, and the nosuid option deny it |
| 12:28.41 | jelly | _AleX_, what does home dir have to do with /run/user/id ? |
| 12:29.12 | jelly | _AleX_, what does "echo $HOME" say for your user |
| 12:29.18 | _AleX_ | jelly: look the doc of pam_systemd |
| 12:29.44 | greycat | Why would we look at the docs of this thing that is totally unrelated to your desire to change the mount options of /home? |
| 12:30.53 | petn-randall | !context |
| 12:30.54 | dpkg | Try to give enough context! For example, let us know which command/program you are running, what you expected, and what you got instead. Try to be as specific as possible. If your command produced output, share the complete command (with all parameters!) and its output on https://paste.debian.net. |
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| 12:31.18 | aloo_shu | dimly remembers gvfs mounts sitting in there that uid1000 could write to, but root couldn't |
| 12:31.23 | greycat | Also, why would you want a setuid program in a user's home directory in the first place? |
| 12:31.27 | _AleX_ | mount -o remount,suid /run/user/1000 works but solve my problem, maybe i'm wrong. suid program dont work inside /home/myuser |
| 12:31.38 | _AleX_ | mount -o remount,suid /run/user/1000 works but dont solve my problem, maybe i'm wrong. suid program dont work inside /home/myuser |
| 12:31.44 | j0seph | hiya all, I've been considering making a move to debian and I wanted to ask a question or two just to clear some trivial things up before i make a decision |
| 12:31.51 | petn-randall | _AleX_: Tell us about the problem you're trying to solve, not what you think the solution is. |
| 12:31.54 | petn-randall | !xy problem |
| 12:31.54 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 12:31.57 | greycat | Why would you think that changing the mount options of /x would affect the behavior of /y? |
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| 12:32.35 | FinalX | better yet, /run/user is supposed to be a temporary filesystem, and not to be used to run setuid applications |
| 12:32.40 | FinalX | what could possibly go wrong |
| 12:32.41 | _AleX_ | petn-randall: i have a program with a setsuid(0). The program works as expected (root) in /usr/bin, but not in /home/myuser |
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| 12:32.59 | _AleX_ | s/setsuid/setuid/ |
| 12:33.13 | greycat | Putting a setuid-to-root program in /home/susan is ludicrous. |
| 12:33.15 | petn-randall | _AleX_: And why not just put it in /usr/local/bin/? |
| 12:33.18 | FinalX | setuid in /usr/bin? |
| 12:33.24 | FinalX | put it in sbin at the very least :p |
| 12:33.42 | j0seph | out of debian testing and debian unstable, which is 'better' for security updates? ('better' as in availability, priority, etc.) |
| 12:33.47 | FinalX | forget my last comment. |
| 12:33.53 | petn-randall | j0seph: None of them. |
| 12:33.55 | _AleX_ | petn-randall: just for understand how to suid limitations of users works |
| 12:34.05 | petn-randall | j0seph: If you want timely security updates, stick with stable. |
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| 12:34.10 | _AleX_ | petn-randall: and how to remove it if people ask me |
| 12:34.27 | petn-randall | _AleX_: If the program check from where it's being run, you need to edit the program. |
| 12:34.48 | petn-randall | *checks |
| 12:35.00 | FinalX | j0seph: I'd like to add that backports only receive selective updates, stable repo gets them for sure and in a timely fashion.. backports are anyone's guess |
| 12:35.01 | _AleX_ | petn-randall: it's not a check made by the program, it's a config parameter of the system |
| 12:35.19 | petn-randall | _AleX_: Also, show us the actual commands you're trying to run, what you get, and and what you expect instead. |
| 12:35.54 | jelly | _AleX_, which debian release is this? Do you have additional restrictions other than mount options in place? |
| 12:36.12 | greycat | I'm still stumped why he was looking at the options of some other file system than /home. |
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| 12:36.23 | greycat | Since, you know, the program was allegedly IN /home. |
| 12:36.30 | petn-randall | j0seph: However, if you really want to beta-test the unfinished release of Debian, you can go with the following to cherry-pick security fixes from unstable: |
| 12:36.33 | petn-randall | !tum |
| 12:36.33 | dpkg | «echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution. |
| 12:36.39 | _AleX_ | petn-randall: make a test : with a normal user, copy /usr/bin/passwd in your homedir and launch the command. On another window you will see that the process run with your user identity and not the root identity |
| 12:36.57 | greycat | _AleX_: if you only "copied" the program to your home directory, then it is not setuid. |
| 12:36.57 | jelly | _AleX_, copying removes setuid bit. |
| 12:37.01 | petn-randall | j0seph: ^^^ However, both testing and unstable break regularly, so if you have to ask, you probably should be running stable. |
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| 12:37.08 | j0seph | petn-randall, FinalX: i would like to run stable, though i'm not sure if i'd prefer running older software. as such I wanted to make a decision between testing and unstable. if they're both on the same level in regards to security and both are discouraged if security is a concern, perhaps debian isn't for me |
| 12:37.29 | FinalX | any software in any non-rolling distro is outdated by default |
| 12:37.43 | petn-randall | j0seph: stable or new, pick one. |
| 12:37.45 | _AleX_ | jelly: same with chmod u+s ./passwd |
| 12:38.08 | jelly | _AleX_, show "ls -ld ./passwd" from that example, and output of "mount" |
| 12:38.23 | petn-randall | _AleX_: I haven't seen any command nor output yet ... |
| 12:38.24 | greycat | _AleX_: show us "ls -l" of the copy and show us the mount options of whatever file system the thing is ACTUALLY IN, which is NOT /run. |
| 12:38.25 | jelly | _AleX_, and "df ." |
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| 12:38.58 | [sr] | howdy |
| 12:39.04 | j0seph | petn-randall, FinalX: got it. is stable currently on the 4.9 kernel? |
| 12:39.05 | [sr] | not debian specific but if anyone know |
| 12:39.09 | _AleX_ | i'm not on the same computer and i cannot easily cut & paste info, but make my test and you will see |
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| 12:39.18 | greycat | *PLONK* |
| 12:39.34 | greycat | Fucking idiots. |
| 12:39.51 | [sr] | to run a script with a numeric uid+gid, can i set: * * * * 5/* #4444:#5000 /myscript.sh |
| 12:39.56 | jelly | _AleX_, that's not how helping works, we want to cover the basics first before assuming your _unusual_ theory is correct |
| 12:40.07 | petn-randall | greycat: No need to curse at users, even if they're clueless. It sets a bad example for others. |
| 12:40.08 | greycat | [sr]: what on earth are you talking about |
| 12:40.09 | FinalX | ,v linux-image-generic |
| 12:40.11 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-generic' was found in amd64. |
| 12:40.27 | [sr] | greatgatsby: need to run a script with a different user |
| 12:40.31 | _AleX_ | greycat: just made a "cp /usr/bin/passwd ~ && chmod u+s ~/passwd" ... no need to send you a "ls -ld" of the file ... |
| 12:40.39 | jelly | _AleX_, yes need. |
| 12:40.39 | bitess | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 12:40.40 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-security: 3.2+46+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 4.9+80+deb9u4~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u4; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u4; stretch-proposed-updates: 4.9+80+deb9u5; stretch-backports: 4.16+94~bpo9+1; buster: 4.16+94; sid: |
| 12:40.41 | judd | 4.16+94 |
| 12:40.46 | bitess | this ain't ubuntu :P |
| 12:40.57 | greycat | [sr]: so you just thought you could insert some random comment into a crontab file and it would magically do something? Even though it's a comment? |
| 12:41.05 | _AleX_ | jelly: greycat : i'm running Linux since the 0.98b2 kernel ... |
| 12:41.07 | FinalX | yeah, was trying to remember if there was a more common one in debian, too :P |
| 12:41.12 | jelly | _AleX_, we _need_ to know whether you did it as root, and we _need_ to know which specific mountpoint it was copied to. |
| 12:41.21 | [sr] | greycat: ok, but how would i specify the UID+GID then? |
| 12:41.30 | [sr] | googled a bit but didn't found any relevant info |
| 12:41.34 | petn-randall | _AleX_: If you can't show us the output, we can't help you. Simple stuff. |
| 12:41.52 | greycat | [sr]: are you talking about /etc/crontab as opposed to regular crontab(5)? |
| 12:41.53 | jelly | _AleX_, we don't know that and even experts can get confused sometimes, so pretty please show the actual info, when you have access to the system |
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| 12:42.22 | [sr] | greycat: yes, a line that is in /etc/crontab |
| 12:42.28 | j0seph | bitess: ah, so stable currently IS on 4.9. thanks |
| 12:42.56 | petn-randall | j0seph: That's right. But you can get the 4.16 from stretch-backports. |
| 12:43.25 | FinalX | but backports doesn't get updates from stretch-security |
| 12:43.27 | greycat | [sr]: the man page says that /etc/crontab has a "username" field. It does not specify any way to give a numeric UID. It does not specify any way to give a group name OR a GID. |
| 12:43.34 | jelly | _AleX_, I spent an hour fixing an issue before checking for disk full, just a couple weeks back, and I've been using Linux since 1.2 |
| 12:43.47 | [sr] | greycat: damn, that's what i had in mind |
| 12:43.50 | greycat | [sr]: you can try using a numeric UID instead of a username, and see what happens. Other than that, you can download the source code of cron and see what it does. |
| 12:44.01 | [sr] | greycat: doesn't work |
| 12:44.34 | j0seph | petn-randall: coolio, thanks. a couple of my main concerns was the older kernel and older version of KDE Plasma (I absolutely hate 5.8 but love 5.13) |
| 12:44.43 | _AleX_ | jelly: greycat : i found my solution, a stupid problem of rights, i'm very sorry to distrub you with that. Thank you a lot |
| 12:44.49 | petn-randall | [sr]: Why can't you just use a username/groupname? The user must exist on the system to work, anyway. |
| 12:44.59 | _AleX_ | (i forget petn-randall in the greetings) |
| 12:45.06 | [sr] | petn-randall: no system users |
| 12:45.17 | petn-randall | _AleX_: ... which we could have pointed out easily if you had showed us the output. |
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| 12:46.11 | greycat | [sr]: Then I would suggest you launch the job as root, and use a chainloading wrapper that changes the effective UID/GID. |
| 12:46.57 | [sr] | thanks greycat, going to search |
| 12:47.22 | _AleX_ | petn-randall: jelly greycat : problem solved, many thanks |
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| 12:48.29 | greycat | e.g. if you have daemontools installed, you could use setuidgid; or if you have runit installed, you could use chpst; I have no idea if systemd provides something equivalent |
| 12:50.14 | jelly | it's probably done as an option inside the unit definition file |
| 12:50.15 | [sr] | this is because a wordpress cron |
| 12:50.48 | greycat | jelly: yeah, that's why I'm thinking there isn't an actual program provided to do it. He might want to just install runit to get the chpst program. |
| 12:50.57 | [sr] | my 2nd option is to run the cron via url and not the script directly, like: php /path/wp-cron.php, and yes wget XXXX http:///////wp-cron.php |
| 12:51.12 | jelly | [sr], why does it have to be numeric uid and gid? |
| 12:51.21 | greycat | [sr]: which number option is "add the user to the system" |
| 12:51.33 | [sr] | 'cause my vhost's use uid+gid's |
| 12:51.45 | greycat | so, 3rd? 17th? |
| 12:51.46 | [sr] | greycat: not an option :P |
| 12:52.00 | jelly | [sr], surely they have user and group entries in passwd and group databases? |
| 12:52.07 | [sr] | no.. |
| 12:52.13 | [sr] | mpm-itk in apache |
| 12:52.15 | jelly | fuck what |
| 12:52.17 | greycat | well then it's not Debian so it's off topic |
| 12:52.38 | jelly | even Plesk has proper users and groups created |
| 12:52.42 | [sr] | of course it's debian, i don't use other distro since 1998 ;) |
| 12:53.00 | greycat | It is not debian because it does not have a fucking /etc/passwd file. ENd of story. |
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| 12:53.03 | [sr] | all my hosting servers, use virtual users |
| 12:53.09 | greycat | *plonk* |
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| 12:53.28 | [sr] | no plesk's, cpanels (hate) or similar, just my confs! |
| 12:53.37 | jelly | typically "virtual users" are all run under a single, existing user |
| 12:53.48 | FinalX | ..what could possibly go wrong :) |
| 12:54.36 | jelly | I'd recommend setting up nss_db or similar nss module so that cron can map some symbolic users to your uids and gids |
| 12:55.00 | greycat | I'd recommend using Debian, which has an /etc/passwd file that maps user names to UIDs and GIDs. |
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| 12:55.14 | greycat | Rather than writing your own deriviative distribution and then not understanding it/ |
| 12:55.14 | jelly | that's what I do with a horrible legacy custom qmail setup |
| 12:55.41 | jelly | greycat, Debian is a platform. People run all sorts of crap on top of it. |
| 12:55.44 | [sr] | no qmail here, postfix&dovecot ;) |
| 12:56.03 | greycat | Sure, but if you remove pieces of the platform, then at what point does it stop being something we can support here?> |
| 12:56.21 | jelly | greycat, it's also said to be a "universal operating system" so it's MEANT to be used to run anything on it. |
| 12:56.25 | greycat | I'm saying that when you remove the freaking /etc/passwd file, you've already crossed that line. |
| 12:56.39 | jelly | [sr], did you remove /etc/passwd file? |
| 12:56.48 | Pegasus_RPG | rant: Well, I suspect the anti-virus engine is the problem. The kernel hanging tends to happen when the A-V engine updates itself. Not every time of course, just once in awhile. I'd like to try disabling it for a week and see if it occurs, but then I'm at risk. It uses FANotify though so I'm surprised it could hang the kernel. |
| 12:57.01 | [sr] | jelly: of course not! just my apache vhost's use numeric UID+GID, just that! |
| 12:57.21 | jelly | greycat, see, it's still there. Just not all the users are in it. |
| 12:57.41 | [sr] | apart from that, it's all debian the system, which i LOVE |
| 12:57.47 | FinalX | what about just doing: sudo -u #1000 crontab -e |
| 12:57.51 | greycat | I've already /ignored it. If the /etc/passwd file is there but he REFUSES TO USE IT because he's a stubborn jackass, then what is the point of offering assistance? |
| 12:57.51 | [sr] | i want to marry with it 'cause i love it |
| 12:57.58 | FinalX | and putting it in there instead of /etc/crontab or /etc/cron.*/* |
| 12:58.13 | greycat | FinalX: sudo -u needs an argument. You've stopped the shell command with a comment. So you will get a usage error. |
| 12:58.17 | jelly | [sr], honestly I'd do a simple mapping uid 1000 -> user u1000 and keep it updated |
| 12:58.25 | FinalX | greycat: no, it works fine here. |
| 12:58.38 | greycat | FinalX: then you are not typing what you said. |
| 12:58.40 | FinalX | well, my shell is different, but still |
| 12:58.45 | FinalX | yes, I am. |
| 12:58.46 | greycat | *sigh* |
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| 12:58.50 | [sr] | jelly: i'll just call the cron via url, and won't have to touch anything else of my setup, that way the file will run with the vhost's uid+gid (that are numeric) |
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| 12:59.07 | jelly | whatever works |
| 12:59.10 | nrubsig | Any idea whats causing $ apt-get install ... # to go berserk like this: https://eckelmann.kpaste.net/186f ? |
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| 13:00.11 | FinalX | greycat: using zsh, I get a perfectly running crontab -e as uid 1000. if # stopped the line, I'd have gotten the error: sudo: option requires an argument -- 'u' |
| 13:00.18 | greycat | FinalX: But, if sudo -u can be used as a chainloading alternative to setuidgid, using whatever shell quoting is necessary to pass the argument that begins with # (probably just regular quotes), then sure. Go for it. I didn't think it would work, so I didn't suggest that. |
| 13:00.34 | jelly | my shell does not think # in the interactive command line is a comment |
| 13:00.37 | greycat | you're telling me that zsh doesn't treat a word starting with # as a comment-until-end-of-line? |
| 13:00.47 | jelly | greycat, of course not |
| 13:00.55 | FinalX | it does, but not in this case, apparently |
| 13:00.59 | jelly | who writes comments in interactive CLI?! |
| 13:00.59 | FinalX | surprised as you are :) |
| 13:01.07 | bitess | !localized errors |
| 13:01.07 | dpkg | To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install". |
| 13:01.08 | jelly | [15:00] ~ => echo #foo |
| 13:01.08 | jelly | #foo |
| 13:01.12 | bitess | nrubsig: ^ |
| 13:01.23 | FinalX | though if you specify a uid not in passwd: crontab: your UID isn't in the passwd file. |
| 13:01.25 | bitess | nrubsig: show us the command you used too, please. |
| 13:01.28 | FinalX | so, guess it's pointless either way :) |
| 13:01.39 | greycat | FinalX: sudo, or crontab? |
| 13:01.56 | FinalX | what, the error? comes from crontab |
| 13:02.04 | nrubsig | bitess: $ apt-get install ./subgit_3.3.3_all.deb # as user "root" |
| 13:02.13 | greycat | FinalX: I thought you were talking about sudo -u '#6666' |
| 13:02.29 | nrubsig | bitess: ./subgit_3.3.3_all.deb is a local file |
| 13:02.38 | greycat | why would you get an error that contains the word "crontab" from running sudo -u '#6666' /usr/bin/id |
| 13:02.49 | FinalX | sudo -u #1000 whatever... works fine; sudo -u 1000 does not (treats it as a userNAME) |
| 13:03.04 | FinalX | no, I'm saying that crontab doesn't like a numeric userid that doesn't have a user in /etc/passwd |
| 13:03.05 | greycat | FinalX: FOR THE LOVE OF GOD would you stop using zshisms |
| 13:03.12 | FinalX | it's not a fucking zshism |
| 13:03.24 | FinalX | how about you just fucking try your shit instead of bashing people for no good reason |
| 13:03.24 | greycat | Do I have to /ignore this ENTIRE CHANNEL |
| 13:03.25 | nrubsig | greycat: nay, hail Hydra's zsh |
| 13:03.33 | FinalX | alternatively, you can just leave.. |
| 13:03.35 | greycat | wooledg:~$ sudo -u '#6666' /usr/bin/id |
| 13:03.35 | greycat | [sudo] password for wooledg: |
| 13:03.35 | greycat | uid=6666 gid=22(voice) groups=22(voice) |
| 13:03.38 | bitess | nrubsig: try dpkg -i <deb>; apf -f install |
| 13:03.39 | FinalX | if you feel like you need to ignore people |
| 13:03.42 | [sr] | i just created a major conflict here :)) |
| 13:03.44 | FinalX | exactly, so works fine. |
| 13:03.46 | jediofthecode | does anyone know how to hide veth interfaces with network-manager in stretch ? |
| 13:03.49 | bitess | nrubsig: * apt -f install that is. |
| 13:03.52 | FinalX | but crontab doesn't like non-existing users |
| 13:03.58 | josecapurro | FinalX: "bashing". Heh. |
| 13:03.59 | greycat | FinalX: so put sudo -u '#6666' /whatever into the crontab |
| 13:04.08 | FinalX | why are you telling me? |
| 13:04.11 | greycat | WITH. THE. FUCKING. QUOTES. |
| 13:04.15 | FinalX | I'm not the one having the fucking problem here. |
| 13:04.16 | greycat | BECAUSE THIS IS NOT ZSH |
| 13:04.21 | FinalX | Chill the hell out. |
| 13:04.22 | nrubsig | threatens zsh users here with ksh93's object-oriented extensions |
| 13:04.29 | jelly | greycat, it's not #bash either. |
| 13:04.31 | FinalX | You just start ranting about things you haven't even tried yet. |
| 13:04.42 | FinalX | "it doesn't work"... yet it does |
| 13:04.51 | queip | jelly: well he has a point, debian defaults to bash |
| 13:04.56 | greycat | jelly: a crontab line is interpreted by /bin/sh which will treat a # as a comment unless quoted. Everyone offering assistance here should understand this. |
| 13:05.01 | jelly | cron uses /bin/sh by default, not zsh, not bash |
| 13:05.18 | FinalX | which is dash |
| 13:05.20 | FinalX | congrats |
| 13:05.30 | greycat | Which is either dash or bash or some other posix-compliant shell. |
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| 13:05.52 | greycat | I bet zsh invoked as sh would probably treat an unquoted #1 as a comment too. |
| 13:06.14 | jelly | in fact, if cron thinks it can avoid calling /bin/sh at all it will spawn the command on its own |
| 13:06.18 | nrubsig | jelly: by definition /bin/sh should be a POSIX-conforming shell. If anyone wants to suffer ... conformance level goes from 1) ksh93 (fully conformany) 2) bash --posix 3) dash 4) bash (default mode) |
| 13:06.19 | FinalX | it doesn't matter now, does it? point is, with sudo you run programs as numeric user id's, yet crontab doesn't accept it. that was the whole point of everything and you're taking your frustration out on me without 1) checking things yourself first and 2) talking to the right person who is actually asking for help |
| 13:06.25 | FinalX | I'm not asking for your help, or ever asking for your help. |
| 13:06.38 | jelly | nrubsig, mksh or death! |
| 13:06.52 | nrubsig | jelly: then preapre to meet your maker! |
| 13:07.10 | [sr] | oh my |
| 13:07.12 | nrubsig | shapens his chainsaw-turbofan-battleaxe |
| 13:07.28 | [sr] | i feel guilty, you guys are going to kill each other 'cause of my question!! :P |
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| 13:09.13 | nrubsig | [sr]: too late to be sorry - this is Debian, and Debian people are like the people of the Earth Kingdom: Proud, stubborn, and bash in heads over harmless arguments |
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| 13:09.31 | nrubsig | The bash(1)ing of the head(1)s may now commence!! |
| 13:09.39 | greycat | stubborn like "I refuse to use /etc/passwd" stubborn? |
| 13:09.57 | nrubsig | greycat: something like that |
| 13:09.57 | greycat | because daaaaamn, that is like next level stubborn |
| 13:10.09 | Javabean | makes great money selling popcorn to the bistanders of this channel |
| 13:10.31 | nrubsig | bitess: what should I type ? |
| 13:11.05 | bitess | dunno, there has been so much spam. where were we? |
| 13:11.20 | nrubsig | greycat: there is always the way of using POSIX acls on /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow to grant people "access" ... |
| 13:11.33 | bitess | ah, dpkg -i <deb>; apf -f install |
| 13:11.37 | nrubsig | bitess: install *.deb package from local filesystem |
| 13:11.52 | nrubsig | What does $ apf -f install # do ? |
| 13:11.58 | greycat | nrubsig: take it up with the wordpress dude who has a passwd file but refuses to use it for some personal challenge reason that he thinks we will honor |
| 13:12.07 | bitess | install the missing dependencies. |
| 13:12.37 | bitess | just let him be... |
| 13:13.10 | nrubsig | bitess: my ancient ubunto has no command called "apf" ... |
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| 13:13.16 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 13:13.23 | jediofthecode | is anyone using docker on stretch ? |
| 13:13.26 | greycat | No. |
| 13:13.27 | bitess | * apt i'm just overheating. |
| 13:13.35 | jediofthecode | im having some problems with it and network-manager |
| 13:13.37 | bitess | jediofthecode: yes, sure. |
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| 13:13.55 | jediofthecode | it creates an insane amount of veth interfaces, and it also constantly interrupts my wifi connection |
| 13:14.14 | jediofthecode | it's fixed in a newer version of network-manager(testing/buster), but this is not in backports |
| 13:14.15 | bitess | never used it in combination with nm, though. ^^ |
| 13:14.34 | jelly | ,checkbcakport network-manager |
| 13:14.43 | jelly | ,checkbackport network-manager |
| 13:14.44 | judd | Backporting package network-manager in sidâstretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, stretch-backports. |
| 13:14.45 | bitess | oh, wait, that's a lie, i have it on my laptop, works fine. |
| 13:14.58 | nrubsig | gets multidimensional cancer-rapies when he thinks about network-manager |
| 13:15.05 | nrubsig | s/rapies/rabies/ |
| 13:15.27 | jediofthecode | judd: ah so i can just pull in network-manager from sid ? |
| 13:15.37 | jediofthecode | lol that's a bot |
| 13:15.43 | jelly | jediofthecode, a silly workaround might be to make dummy entries for those ifaces in /etc/network/interface |
| 13:15.48 | greycat | jediofthecode: no, but you could BACKPORT it from SOURCES from sid |
| 13:16.12 | jelly | just lines like "iface veth42 inet manual" |
| 13:16.39 | jediofthecode | jelly: well, it randomly makes them, frequently, i would rather just backport nm |
| 13:17.02 | jelly | jediofthecode, you can try to make a local build of the newer version, ask the other bot for the recipe: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 13:17.28 | jelly | or ask the docker people about the right way to deal with it |
| 13:17.34 | jediofthecode | alright i will try this, thanks |
| 13:17.52 | jediofthecode | everything else in debian works flawlessly, except the weird conflicts between docker and nm |
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| 13:18.31 | jelly | my solution for that is not to use n-m. Or docker. |
| 13:18.37 | greycat | ^ |
| 13:18.55 | jelly | but somehow that suggestion seldom fares well |
| 13:19.32 | jediofthecode | jelly: well, docker is required for work, and i usually use gnome, which requires n-m |
| 13:19.49 | bitess | docker creates one interface for the bridge and one for each running container per default. |
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| 13:20.05 | jediofthecode | i would much rather use docker, than run postgres, elasticsearch, redis, memcached, rails, sidekiq all seperately |
| 13:20.53 | jelly | pperhaps run docker and all its things in a vm instead of polluting the workstation |
| 13:22.35 | fender0107401 | What is the port number for the apt-get tools? |
| 13:22.41 | jediofthecode | jelly: that's just adding another layer of obscurity that doesn't seem neccesary |
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| 13:22.50 | ngomes | ngomes@DESKTOP-dnfgomes:~/vrcpro$ wine Steam.exe |
| 13:22.50 | ngomes | it looks like wine32 is missing, you should install it. |
| 13:23.12 | ngomes | wine is installed , should i need wine32 ? |
| 13:24.30 | bitess | fender0107401: apt repositories are just http servers on port 80. |
| 13:25.01 | bitess | !multiarch |
| 13:25.02 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
| 13:25.05 | bitess | ngomes: ^ |
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| 13:25.23 | fender0107401 | I think it should be 80, but not sure. |
| 13:25.25 | bitess | if steam is still a 32bit application then yes, you will need it. |
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| 13:29.08 | Brigo | bitess, it is. |
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| 13:30.39 | thms | "Unable to satisfy the build-depends: Build-Depends: dh-apache2" when running aptitude build-dep libapache2-mpm-itk. I've tried installing dh-apache2 and apache2-dev, stil lsame problem. |
| 13:31.04 | thms | Quite sure this is the reason why the following steps are not working, though not sure. I'm trying to build a package without an option (capabilities) |
| 13:31.22 | thms | Can anyone help me out with this ? Not sure where to start to debug :/ |
| 13:31.25 | ngomes | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 13:31.25 | ngomes | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:31.26 | ngomes | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
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| 13:32.52 | bitess | !bat |
| 13:32.53 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 13:32.57 | bitess | ngomes: ^ |
| 13:33.15 | Brigo | ngomes, you don't need wine for running steam in debian, just need to activate multiarch so you can use 32bit software in you amd64 installation. |
| 13:34.11 | ngomes | Brigo, how do i check if it is activated ? |
| 13:34.34 | jelly | thms, which version of libapache2-mpm-itk are you building, on which debian release? |
| 13:34.57 | jelly | just a package rebuild with different options within the same release? |
| 13:35.33 | thms | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:35.54 | thms | mpm-itk-2.4.7-04 on stretch |
| 13:35.57 | jelly | !thms |
| 13:36.01 | jelly | !bat |
| 13:36.01 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 13:36.11 | jelly | thms, ^ start with all that |
| 13:36.26 | nrubsig | !help |
| 13:36.54 | nrubsig | !topic add "Hail-hydra" |
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| 13:37.24 | jelly | !botabuse |
| 13:37.24 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 13:38.06 | nrubsig | !botsex |
| 13:38.06 | dpkg | Ok! Drop your pants and bend over!, or http://www.scoutwalker.com/ |
| 13:38.34 | nrubsig | !botmating |
| 13:39.08 | Brigo | ngomes, dpkg --print-foreign-architectures |
| 13:39.16 | jelly | dpkg, tell nrubsig about msg the bot |
| 13:39.50 | ngomes | ngomes@DESKTOP-dnfgomes:~/vrcpro$ dpkg --print-foreign-architectures |
| 13:39.50 | ngomes | i386 |
| 13:39.57 | nrubsig | !tell jelly I know! |
| 13:40.17 | Brigo | ngomes, then apt-get update && apt install steam |
| 13:40.37 | ngomes | https://pastebin.com/nfxEKKN0 |
| 13:40.41 | Brigo | ngomes, first you have to solve your dependencies problems. |
| 13:40.56 | jelly | nrubsig, please avoid poking it with silly stuff while there's support going on, then |
| 13:40.57 | ngomes | Brigo, the thing is , is steam for windows, not steam for linux |
| 13:41.18 | greycat | wut |
| 13:41.27 | ngomes | linux running steam for windows |
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| 13:41.32 | Brigo | ngomes, oh, sorry, didn't see that bit. Then forget about what a said. |
| 13:41.42 | ngomes | ok |
| 13:41.49 | greycat | Is ANYONE in this freaking channel actually running Debian?! |
| 13:42.14 | ngomes | there's this software called lutris, that is able to install such things i'm talking about |
| 13:42.17 | jelly | offers greycat some soothing earl grey tea |
| 13:42.32 | nrubsig | greycat: Nah, SuperUX, Solaris, ptxdist Linux |
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| 13:43.31 | bitess | ubuntu, but it's close enough. |
| 13:43.39 | jelly | ngomes, you still need to apt-get update after adding the foreign arch, to be able to install that wine32 thing |
| 13:43.41 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 13:43.47 | Brigo | ngomes, do you know playonlinux? |
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| 13:44.03 | queip | greycat: I am |
| 13:44.14 | jelly | ,v wine32 --arch i386 |
| 13:44.15 | judd | Package: wine32 on i386 -- jessie: 1.6.2-20; jessie-backports: 1.8.7-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.8.7-2; stretch-backports: 3.0.1-2~bpo9+1; buster: 3.0.2-1; sid: 3.0.2-1 |
| 13:44.33 | jelly | ooh. We might soon have wine 3.1 |
| 13:45.18 | slax0r | I read that as win 3.1 for some reason |
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| 13:50.20 | section1 | hi guys ..i have a fresh buster installed and when i try to install sysvinit-core : i get this http://dpaste.com/2ZNRN95 .. |
| 13:50.37 | section1 | i have no held package... |
| 13:50.45 | section1 | its fixeable ? |
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| 13:51.11 | abrotman | perhaps try aptitude |
| 13:51.25 | abrotman | section1: also, share your sources.list in a separate paste |
| 13:51.47 | section1 | ok 1 sec |
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| 13:52.58 | jediofthecode | what is the stability of testing at currently ? vs say stretch |
| 13:53.13 | greycat | !debian-next |
| 13:53.13 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 13:53.46 | section1 | source.list http://dpaste.com/2SD4Y3G |
| 13:53.53 | greycat | Its "stability" as we define the word is zero. It is not stable. But you probably meant "buglessness" or "crash-bug-lessness" or something, which #debian-next might be able to answer. |
| 13:55.12 | ngomes | Brigo, i'checked it long time ago , what about it ? |
| 13:55.20 | section1 | abrotman, ok aptitude giveme some options...lets try it :d |
| 13:55.33 | Brigo | ngomes, i was wondering if it could suit your needs. |
| 13:55.36 | ngomes | Brigo, does it have the hability to run Windows Steam ? |
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| 13:56.08 | ngomes | Brigo, this lutris looks good, i did find i way to manage it yet |
| 13:56.15 | Brigo | ngomes, i don't think so, i meant in stead of |
| 13:56.21 | ngomes | Brigo, this lutris looks good, i did not find a way to manage it yet |
| 13:57.16 | Brigo | ngomes, it looks like it can. At least it say so. |
| 13:57.31 | ngomes | yep |
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| 13:58.17 | section1 | abrotman, perfect its works ..thanks |
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| 14:18.23 | _wrksx | The cron daemon should be able to execute a script even if the previous exec isn't finished, right ? |
| 14:18.47 | _wrksx | I created a script with a sleep 600, and run it using cron each minute |
| 14:18.59 | _wrksx | but if I ps i doesn't see duplicate process |
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| 14:19.54 | greycat | cron will happily spawn multiple instances of your command, yes |
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| 14:21.46 | _wrksx | greycat, shouldn't I be able to see it using ps command ? |
| 14:22.10 | _wrksx | that's weird |
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| 14:29.20 | ngomes | oh great, i've just accepted aptitude option to solve my dependency problems, and it looks like it' removing all the packages |
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| 14:31.00 | jediofthecode | ,checkbackport gimp |
| 14:31.03 | judd | Backporting package gimp in sidâstretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: gegl (>= 0.4.2), libbabl-dev (>= 0.1.50), libfontconfig1-dev (>= 2.12.4), libgegl-dev (>= 0.4.2), libgexiv2-dev (>= 0.10.6), libglib2.0-dev (>= 2.54.2), libheif-dev (>= 1.1.0), libmypaint-dev (>= 1.3.0), libwebp-dev (>= 0.6.0), mypaint-brushes. |
| 14:31.04 | greycat | reads cron(8) and learns that Debian's cron apparently tries to compensate for Daylight Saving by running missed jobs afterward, or skipping jobs that would be repeated. Still, I will not ever put a job into that time slot, because I don't trust it. |
| 14:31.18 | jediofthecode | snap it is |
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| 14:42.34 | greycat | _wrksx: I just tested with * * * * * sleep 3333 |
| 14:42.51 | greycat | I see two sleep 3333 jobs in ps's output, plus two /bin/sh -c sleep 3333 jobs as their parents. |
| 14:42.59 | _wrksx | and u see multiple process |
| 14:43.02 | _wrksx | shit |
| 14:43.10 | _wrksx | I'll try the exact same |
| 14:43.23 | _wrksx | greycat, ty for the test man that's really nice of you |
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| 15:14.26 | aesin | current kernel 4.9.110-1 in stable has a bug fixed in 4.9.110-2. How can i install 4.9.110-2 ? i added proposal updates to sources.list but after apt-get update there is no 4.9.110-2 |
| 15:14.46 | greycat | ,kernels |
| 15:14.47 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.17.0-1-686-pae (4.17.8-1); buster: 4.17.0-1-686-pae (4.17.8-1); stretch-backports: 4.17.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.17.8-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-7-686-pae (4.9.110-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.7-686-pae (4.9.110-1~deb8u1); wheezy-backports: |
| 15:14.48 | judd | 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1) |
| 15:15.09 | greycat | what's the bug number? |
| 15:15.34 | aesin | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=903767 |
| 15:16.15 | greycat | final comment says there's a 4.9.110-3 in stretch-proposed-updates |
| 15:17.21 | greycat | !stable-proposed-updates |
| 15:17.21 | dpkg | stable-proposed-updates is a repository containing packages being prepared for the next <point release>. While they have already been, your additional testing is most welcome prior to wider release. http://www.debian.org/releases/proposed-updates http://release.debian.org/proposed-updates/stable.html . See also <oldstable-proposed-updates>, <testing-proposed-updates>. |
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| 15:19.25 | greycat | dpkg, stretch-proposed-updates is <reply> see stable-proposed-updates |
| 15:19.27 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 15:20.40 | aesin | after i enabled proposed updates in sources.list apt-cache search linux-image displays several kernels last of which linux-image-4.9.0-7-amd64. but apt-cache show linux-image-4.9.0-7-amd64 prints its version 110-1. |
| 15:20.50 | aesin | how to i get 110-3? |
| 15:20.51 | greycat | did you forget to apt-get update? |
| 15:22.06 | aesin | no i did apt-get update |
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| 15:29.26 | aesin | apt-get upgrade did the right thing. it is possible that apt-cache show gets version not from proposed updates repo? |
| 15:29.44 | greycat | it's possible that you only looked at PART of the output from apt-cache show, not all of it |
| 15:30.10 | greycat | it will typically give several results that are all formatted alike, with just a blank line between them, and not in any meaningful order |
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| 15:32.59 | aesin | that was exactly the problem. xterm size just fits output. thank you, greycat. |
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| 15:56.35 | black_mamba | What is the difference between using #!/usr/bin/env bash and #!/bin/bash ? |
| 15:56.45 | black_mamba | why would I use one over the other? |
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| 15:58.06 | greycat | The /usr/bin/env one is used when you plan to distribute the script to many different systems that may have bash in different locations, and you don't know in advance where it will be, and there isn't an installation procedure to target the shebang at install time. |
| 15:58.37 | greycat | It relies on the PATH variable at the time of execution to include a directory with at least one valid version of the interpreter. |
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| 16:53.53 | setuid | In Ubuntu, we have an ubuntu-minimal package, which when installed, will take the system down into bare-bones, minimalist packages. Is there something like this for debian? I need to strip a system of all non-essential packages, and build it back up clean. |
| 16:54.06 | setuid | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:59.29 | petn-randall | setuid: That's just called a minimal install in Debian. |
| 16:59.48 | setuid | petn-randall: Right, but it requires _booting_ to a minimal install media, and doing an install |
| 17:00.06 | setuid | whereas in ubuntu, you can have a fully installed and working system, desktop, apache, Xorg, etc. and then install ubuntu-minimal, and it will strip it all back |
| 17:00.16 | setuid | sudo aptitude markauto '~i!~nubuntu-minimal' |
| 17:00.17 | setuid | etc. |
| 17:00.20 | ChmEarl | setuid, I used the XFCE disk, which is complete and fits on a CD |
| 17:00.40 | setuid | ChmEarl: The problem is that I have this system that seems to be a hybrid of wheezy, squeezze and stretch... in production. |
| 17:00.49 | setuid | I need to rip it all out, build it back up clean with current/stable packages |
| 17:00.55 | petn-randall | setuid: So a Frankendebian? |
| 17:00.55 | setuid | _without_ reinstalling |
| 17:01.08 | petn-randall | !frankendebian |
| 17:01.08 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
| 17:01.14 | greycat | I can't imagine that stripping everything that makes it a server will go well. |
| 17:01.15 | setuid | Yes, someone added the newer repos to sources.list, and packages got installed |
| 17:01.35 | petn-randall | setuid: If it's a mix out of three releases, I strongly recommend to reinstall and start from scratch. It'll be 10x easier than fixing it. |
| 17:01.39 | setuid | greycat: As long as it boots, and has basic packages/tools, I can reinstall the rest from the 'correct' repos |
| 17:02.41 | setuid | petn-randall: Yes, that's a last resort. It has a lot of services running, and each of them is uniquely configured. I had plans on breaking all of the services into separate VMs, but that's not as easy as it sosunds (sendmail, mailman, apache, git repos, and others) |
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| 17:03.35 | jhutchins_wk | I've actually had to deal with this. It's pretty simple to just clean up the old distros in the source list and then do upgrades. |
| 17:03.37 | setuid | It's backed up, so we _could_ just wipe it |
| 17:04.04 | setuid | jhutchins_wk: Problem is that when I just point sources.list to stretch repos, it can't find basic packages like apache2 and supporting dependencies |
| 17:04.14 | petn-randall | setuid: The thing is, there's going from wheezy to stretch is not a supported path. So packages *will* break in horrible ways. |
| 17:04.17 | setuid | I may just build a clean VM and move data/services over |
| 17:04.31 | setuid | petn-randall: Yep, btdt over the last 18 or so yearss :) |
| 17:04.45 | setuid | I've got battle scars from debian upgrades many, many, many times |
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| 17:05.33 | petn-randall | Reading the release notes usually helps preventing scars in the first place. ;P |
| 17:06.07 | setuid | Well, I suspect this happened because someone added newer repos to get 1 package, forgot they were still there, and an upgrade jumped a release, causing frankendebian |
| 17:06.30 | setuid | I'll start removing groups of packages, and remove anything with 'wheezy' in the package version |
| 17:07.37 | setuid | 7 packages from 'squeeze', 5 packages from 'wheezy', out of 1744 packages, so not so bad |
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| 17:07.58 | petn-randall | setuid: Personally, I'd start using something like ansible to configure all those services, and then when you got all those services set, start migrating them over. This avoids the "unique snowflake" syndrom that you get with longrunning servers. |
| 17:08.53 | setuid | Agreed, right now we have 'web', 'mysql', 'mail' and other VMs set up, but this one monstrous snowball-of-snowflakes server is the keystone, and we have to tread carefully. |
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| 17:09.40 | setuid | See above, it's still running 'sendmail', because it runs greymilter + dspam, and runs circles around a compatible postfix/exim config to strip out spam before it hits the mailboxes. It's current, but it's legacy. |
| 17:10.15 | setuid | So moving services is also a bit of porting of ugly legacy; at some point, someone began editing the sendmail.mc, instead of the m4 and re-generating the .mc, so it's got more snowflakes in there too. |
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| 17:17.02 | setuid | Something fishy at the bottom of my 'dpkg -l' output: |
| 17:17.03 | setuid | dpkg -l | tail -1 |
| 17:17.03 | setuid | ii zlib1g-dev:amd64 1:1.2.8.dfsg-5 amd64 compression library - development |
| 17:17.03 | setuid | [] |
| 17:17.04 | dpkg | ii | tail -1 3.6-4 setuid's private warez collection |
| 17:17.08 | setuid | that extra [] at the end |
| 17:17.55 | setuid | er, disregard, someone got cute with $PS1 |
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| 17:34.15 | xaeB5 | i installed mate from debian and i'm getting some notification that pops up about adding a printer to google print or something related to google. anyone know what this could be and if it's normal? i searched for any google package and nothing seems to be installed. i don't have chrome either |
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| 17:49.34 | peaceguy | hello |
| 17:50.00 | peaceguy | does debian server version support encrypting the hard disk? |
| 17:50.05 | peaceguy | the one without xorg? |
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| 17:50.32 | Brigo | peaceguy, yes |
| 17:51.03 | Brigo | peaceguy, there is no debian server version, just one for all purpouses |
| 17:51.13 | greycat | Debian doesn't have different "tiers" or whatever you implied by "debian server, the one with ...". It's just Debian. You choose which pieces you want to install. |
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| 17:51.33 | peaceguy | no i know debian is for all purposes |
| 17:51.35 | peaceguy | lol |
| 17:51.40 | peaceguy | my wording wasn't right sorry |
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| 17:51.52 | peaceguy | i meant, the versions that don't have xorg |
| 17:51.57 | peaceguy | that are command line only |
| 17:52.03 | peaceguy | Brigo |
| 17:52.05 | peaceguy | :) |
| 17:52.05 | jhutchins_wk | That's up to you when you run the installer. |
| 17:52.07 | greycat | Whether you're installing from netinst or from a "full" DVD image, the installer is the same. |
| 17:52.27 | greycat | The only thing that changes is how much comes from the physical media and how much comes from the network. |
| 17:52.27 | peaceguy | so i can set up separate /home partition and encrypt it? |
| 17:52.30 | jhutchins_wk | peaceguy: Ubuntu is really the same, they just pretend to have different versions where they've pre-selected certain packages. |
| 17:52.56 | peaceguy | but it's not the same, using the one without xorg and one that ships with some desktop environment |
| 17:53.13 | greycat | It's the same installer, unless you're talking about a "Live" image, and those are just not good. |
| 17:53.31 | jhutchins_wk | peaceguy: It's the same, you just don't select "Desktop" when you install. |
| 17:53.32 | peaceguy | i guess that's not important but i wonder how many space does it take, debian 9.5 lxde iso |
| 17:53.48 | peaceguy | ok |
| 17:53.48 | greycat | what is "debian 9.5 lxde"? |
| 17:54.05 | greycat | I still feel like you've somehow come across the "Live" images. |
| 17:54.06 | jhutchins_wk | peaceguy: We usually recommend using the net installer if you have a decent internet connection. |
| 17:54.10 | peaceguy | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/9.5.0-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-9.5.0-amd64-lxde.iso |
| 17:54.14 | peaceguy | this ^^ |
| 17:54.18 | greycat | see where it says "-live" twice in there? |
| 17:54.25 | greycat | don't use those for installation |
| 17:54.30 | peaceguy | why?? |
| 17:55.02 | greycat | The installer on the Live images is historically broken. |
| 17:55.18 | greycat | I can't say whether that *specific* one is as broken as the ones from years past, but there is a very poor track record. |
| 17:55.19 | peaceguy | what? why is it on the site then? |
| 17:55.30 | peaceguy | which one should i use then? |
| 17:55.34 | peaceguy | it's the official site |
| 17:55.34 | greycat | It's intended to be used as a "Live distro", not for installing. |
| 17:55.36 | jhutchins_wk | peaceguy: Because the live part works. |
| 17:55.40 | jhutchins_wk | !netinstall |
| 17:55.40 | dpkg | i heard netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
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| 17:55.48 | Brigo | the netinstall as greycat told you already |
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| 17:56.11 | jediofthecode | hello, i was in here earlier with an issue, but it seems backporting network-manager myself didn't fix it |
| 17:56.30 | jediofthecode | docker is creating veth interfaces, and they're showing in the gnome menu, im wondering if anyone has experience hiding these |
| 17:56.33 | peaceguy | what packages do i need to install to netinstall in order to encrypt hard disk, or is it already supported? |
| 17:56.44 | Brigo | netinstall is not a good name. It can be used for rescue too, so i would call it rescueintall or something like that. |
| 17:57.04 | peaceguy | can it encrypt? |
| 17:57.06 | greycat | because that name isn't confusing at all... :-/ |
| 17:57.16 | Brigo | XD |
| 17:57.26 | Brigo | i said somethink like that :D |
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| 17:58.57 | Brigo | peaceguy, something like this: https://xo.tc/setting-up-full-disk-encryption-on-debian-9-stretch.html |
| 17:59.09 | peaceguy | thanks |
| 17:59.12 | peaceguy | will check it |
| 17:59.29 | Brigo | peaceguy, debian installer can encrypt the whole disk if you want, no problem there. |
| 17:59.48 | peaceguy | the netinstall one? cool |
| 17:59.51 | jediofthecode | what is the command to check backports compatibility of a package here ? |
| 18:00.17 | greycat | ,checkbackport bash |
| 18:00.19 | judd | Backporting package bash in sidâstretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch. |
| 18:00.24 | jediofthecode | ,checkbackport firmware-atheros |
| 18:00.25 | judd | Backporting package firmware-atheros in sidâstretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch. |
| 18:00.35 | jediofthecode | greycat: thanks |
| 18:00.42 | greycat | firmware doesn't need much building, I should think |
| 18:01.04 | jediofthecode | yeah likely not, but im running a killer 1535, and need the latest firmware, otherwise it has weird issues |
| 18:01.57 | Brigo | jediofthecode, maybe you'll need the latest driver too. |
| 18:02.09 | jediofthecode | Brigo: is that not the latest driver ? |
| 18:02.20 | greycat | drivers and firmware are different |
| 18:02.24 | Brigo | jediofthecode, that is firmware, not driver. |
| 18:02.31 | jediofthecode | ah, where would the driver package be ? |
| 18:02.43 | greycat | firmware is a blob of machine code that gets inserted into the hardware at boot time |
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| 18:03.47 | jediofthecode | im running the latest backports kernel, so i think the driver is fine |
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| 18:06.48 | jediofthecode | alright, it's all good |
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| 18:07.01 | jediofthecode | it built a ton of firmware packages along with it for some reason |
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| 18:11.13 | squarecircle | ohai |
| 18:11.41 | squarecircle | I want to boot a minimal Debian with one application in fullscreen mode |
| 18:11.57 | squarecircle | is there a recommended "default" way to go? |
| 18:13.05 | greycat | heh, the !kiosk factoid is amusingly antiquated |
| 18:13.43 | squarecircle | greycat: ? |
| 18:14.19 | greycat | !kiosk |
| 18:14.20 | dpkg | it has been said that kiosk is /bin/su -c "/usr/bin/X11/startx" - kiosk (/usr/sbin/kiosk); kk:2345:respawn:/usr/sbin/kiosk (/etc/inittab); telinit q, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/webkiosk/ |
| 18:15.21 | booyah | are this characters visible by default in your IRC programs/terminals? (with exception of virtual terminal text where it will fail) -> âââââ
ââââââ (that should look like 8 characters of rising stair-case and then 3 gradient blocks) |
| 18:15.38 | greycat | are you conducting a survey? please don't. |
| 18:16.03 | peaceguy | it looks that way |
| 18:16.04 | booyah | greycat: what's wrong in it? just wondering if it's ok to assume this characters will work for most users |
| 18:16.21 | greycat | do you expect 1321 people in the channel to reply? |
| 18:16.28 | booyah | greycat: no, but like 3 or 4 |
| 18:16.49 | booyah | with peaceguy's reply, I am â of the way there :) |
| 18:17.02 | peaceguy | lol |
| 18:17.51 | booyah | btw the last 3 would work in virtual terminal if it would have good old DOS compoatible charset |
| 18:17.53 | peaceguy | irssi 0.8.15 (20100403 1617) |
| 18:18.16 | peaceguy | GNOME Terminal 3.6.2 |
| 18:18.19 | peaceguy | also ^^ |
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| 18:19.22 | RoyK | greycat: what sort of application? |
| 18:20.47 | squarecircle | greycat: ok, I'll look into it |
| 18:21.20 | greycat | squarecircle: I don't know what the systemd equivalent is. I was hoping there would be an up to date !kiosk factoid, but apparently not under that name. |
| 18:22.10 | greycat | If nobody else knows, you could try googling for "debian kiosk" and maybe add "stretch" or "systemd" or whatever to help weed out the old stuff. |
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| 18:25.16 | RoyK | greycat: I'm using raspbian in kiosk mode for some infoscreens at work - not a big debian deal, really, just chromium running in kiosk mode (and everything forced to IPv6 for simplicity reasons, and software installed with ansible) |
| 18:25.34 | RoyK | and raspbian is basically stretch and some changes |
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| 18:25.51 | greycat | squarecircle was the one asking |
| 18:26.08 | RoyK | sorry :) |
| 18:26.12 | RoyK | squarecircle: see above |
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| 18:29.55 | no_gravity | Hello! I'm trying to add a padding to the terminal window in the mate desktop. It's gtk2. Any ideas how to do it? |
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| 18:31.33 | [BrightSide] | the theme you using has a configuration file, you shud look for it maybe ^^. |
| 18:31.48 | no_gravity | [BrightSide]: Where is that theme? |
| 18:31.52 | greycat | "shud"? |
| 18:32.02 | [BrightSide] | greycat: shud |
| 18:32.19 | greycat | !shud |
| 18:32.20 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. See <standard english>. |
| 18:32.43 | [BrightSide] | no_gravity: /usr/share/themes |
| 18:33.09 | no_gravity | [BrightSide]: What I tried is adding this to ~/.gtkrc-2.0 |
| 18:33.17 | no_gravity | [BrightSide]: https://pastebin.com/raw/2Vc8wcvh |
| 18:33.29 | no_gravity | [BrightSide]: It adds a padding to almost everything |
| 18:33.39 | no_gravity | [BrightSide]: But not to mate-terminal |
| 18:34.03 | no_gravity | [BrightSide]: So I *can* add styles to the desktop. I just don't know how to add padding to the terminal window. |
| 18:34.18 | [BrightSide] | no_gravity: meh I don't want to read gtk2 config... you'll have to grop around... |
| 18:34.49 | greycat | you might need to find a channel that specializes in mate or gnome or gtk |
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| 18:35.03 | [BrightSide] | no_gravity: the terminal might have builtin gtk style config... |
| 18:35.39 | [BrightSide] | no_gravity: you shud be able to change that using some kind of selector in gtkrc file... |
| 18:35.52 | [BrightSide] | no_gravity: but no idea how.. look for it |
| 18:35.58 | no_gravity | [BrightSide]: look where? |
| 18:36.39 | [BrightSide] | no_gravity: everything relating to gtkrc config maybe |
| 18:37.06 | no_gravity | [BrightSide]: I only know ~/.gtkrc-2.0 |
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| 18:37.48 | [BrightSide] | no_gravity: the main one from your actual theme is into /usr/share/themes/ |
| 18:38.20 | [BrightSide] | take a look you might find pointer to control specific app gtk style |
| 18:38.23 | no_gravity | [BrightSide]: There seem to be multiple themes in that directory. |
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| 18:38.59 | [BrightSide] | no_gravity: that's it and one of theme is the one your system uses |
| 18:39.10 | [BrightSide] | them* |
| 18:39.38 | no_gravity | [BrightSide]: How do I know which one? |
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| 18:40.46 | greycat | when you edit it, and it makes a visible change, that's the one |
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| 18:41.31 | [BrightSide] | you can append config to user defined gtkrc ofc... |
| 18:42.01 | [BrightSide] | no_gravity: no idea what's the app controling it with mate... |
| 18:42.19 | no_gravity | [BrightSide]: If editing the .gtkrc-2.0 file has the same effect, then adding the style is not a proble. |
| 18:42.29 | no_gravity | But how do I add a padding to mate-terminal? |
| 18:42.46 | no_gravity | Maybe I can wrap the terminal in something else that creates the padding? |
| 18:43.07 | [BrightSide] | no_gravity: using selector that tells gtk to use it on that specific app window |
| 18:43.24 | no_gravity | [BrightSide]: have you seen the link I pasted? |
| 18:43.41 | [BrightSide] | take a look at all gtkrc from /usr/share/themes just to have an idea |
| 18:43.50 | no_gravity | [BrightSide]: https://pastebin.com/raw/2Vc8wcvh |
| 18:44.03 | no_gravity | It should apply a paddint to everything I think. |
| 18:44.08 | no_gravity | And it *almost* does. |
| 18:44.14 | no_gravity | Just not to mate-terminal. |
| 18:44.38 | no_gravity | Maybe the terminal has a zero padding hardcoded somehow? |
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| 18:45.04 | no_gravity | This commit looks a bit like that: https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-terminal/commit/c0efce1 |
| 18:47.00 | [BrightSide] | looks like |
| 18:48.02 | [BrightSide] | you shud maybe open an issue about it |
| 18:48.22 | [BrightSide] | devs will be kind to help to find the right work around |
| 18:48.41 | [BrightSide] | *guesses* |
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| 18:50.10 | no_gravity | Hmm.. maybe. |
| 18:50.45 | [BrightSide] | we might end to find a work around without them... but they are doing it they are the best placed to tell you how. |
| 18:51.59 | no_gravity | #mate-dev seems to be dead |
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| 18:52.23 | [BrightSide] | no_gravity: no github account? |
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| 18:53.15 | [BrightSide] | use github... seems more active |
| 18:54.10 | no_gravity | [BrightSide]: Ok, good idea. |
| 18:57.16 | cyberbootje | hi, anyone an idea how to restrict a tap adapter to allow some outgoing Ip's on a host? And with "restrict" i mean, no packet going out at all, not even ARP if it is not the ip that is allowed to do so |
| 18:58.02 | [BrightSide] | no_gravity: an issue is everything about your expectation from the *software*, it's not always bug |
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| 19:03.06 | no_gravi1y | Is it possible to embed a terminal inside a terminal with xembed? |
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| 19:27.37 | squarecircle | RoyK: oh ok |
| 19:27.47 | squarecircle | I'll give it a try |
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| 19:49.32 | TinkerTiger | In a few weeks I will start teaching a CompTIA cert course. I have never heard of them but then again I'm 'coming back to' IT. |
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| 19:51.06 | abrotman | TinkerTiger: is there a question relating to Debian? |
| 19:53.55 | TinkerTiger | Of course there is. I've been a Debian user for several years now! Seriously though. Here's what's annoying me. I do a lot of work on imagining SD cards and on my Debian Server box the SD cards always come up as 'read-only' file systems and I can't wrtie to them. Even though, I move them to another computer and write to them. I want to figure out what is going on and the reading I have done so far |
| 19:54.01 | TinkerTiger | isnt' helpful. Also, is CompTIA credible? I mean, does anyone care? |
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| 19:55.01 | Something1 | You say it´s a server box, so there´s no desktop running? |
| 19:55.45 | TinkerTiger | Correct. While I'm on it now, I prefer to run without GUI because it's an older box and runs faster without X running. |
| 19:56.19 | Something1 | Okay then I don´t see what could be blocking it. Maybe multipath? |
| 19:57.10 | Something1 | But no, you say read-only, not blocked. Have you tried doing a umount /dev/mmblka or whatever those names are? |
| 19:57.44 | TinkerTiger | Yes. They are not automatically mounted. |
| 19:58.40 | Something1 | And the issue when you run into it being read-only, is when doing like a dd of=/dev/blahblah ? |
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| 19:59.22 | TinkerTiger | Something1: However, I recently learned about USB Hubs, like yesterday, and now I'm wondering if the box is just a bit too beat up and I'm having USB Hub issues. |
| 19:59.49 | TinkerTiger | Something1: Correct. |
| 20:01.05 | Something1 | Maybe you can test that by trying to write something to a regular USB flash drive? |
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| 20:01.25 | Something1 | (You´re sure you didn´t switch that notch on the side?) |
| 20:01.57 | TinkerTiger | Something1: I have a 4TB drive attached to a regular USB port and have not had issues yet. It was purely speculation. |
| 20:02.42 | TinkerTiger | I've fiddled with the notch and right now the same card that failed in the server is imaging on my laptop. |
| 20:02.50 | jhutchins_wk | TinkerTiger: When you say the cards are read-only, are you talking about how they're presented in a GUI filemanger for an ordinary user? |
| 20:03.10 | jhutchins_wk | TinkerTiger: For some reason the default in Linux is to mount devices as read-only except for root. |
| 20:03.45 | TinkerTiger | The GUI issue was already discussed. I'm not in GUI right now. |
| 20:04.02 | jhutchins_wk | TinkerTiger: It's still likely to be writable as root. |
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| 20:04.32 | TinkerTiger | I'm woring in root, directly connected to the server. |
| 20:04.44 | TinkerTiger | Not SSH like I usually do. |
| 20:05.03 | TinkerTiger | I normally run the server headless as I build other machnes around it. |
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| 20:09.39 | TinkerTiger | Anyway, thanks. I have a work around. It just annoys me. |
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| 20:12.09 | TinkerTiger | I'm not working on Debian right now so I'll just go hide. |
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| 20:14.59 | jhutchins_wk | What happened to the fine art of lurking? |
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| 20:15.38 | Aebian | how would I use rsync with a key in the ssh-agent? Using ForwardKeys yes // Do I really need to create an identity for that? |
| 20:16.15 | greycat | rsync just calls ssh, and ssh will communicate with the ssh-agent if one is running and if rsync/ssh inherits the correct env vars to point to it |
| 20:16.37 | Aebian | ok |
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| 20:17.27 | Aebian | ah yes, probably thats the issue: Could not open a connection to your authentication agent |
| 20:17.51 | Aebian | thanks for the help |
| 20:18.22 | greycat | Typically you log in, and part of your login process is to run an ssh-agent and to add your keys to it (which prompts you for your keys' passphrase). Then anything you run from within your login session inherits those vars to talk to that agent and use those keys. |
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| 20:23.17 | peaceguy | greycat is this safe https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 20:23.18 | peaceguy | ? |
| 20:23.25 | peaceguy | friend said that dvd image doesn't work |
| 20:23.29 | peaceguy | i wanted to ask |
| 20:23.44 | peaceguy | does this dvd have some choice what packages do i want to install? |
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| 20:23.47 | peaceguy | or something similar? |
| 20:24.42 | Brigo | peaceguy, yes |
| 20:25.19 | peaceguy | can i have something really minimal like just xorg lxde/openbox and that? |
| 20:25.29 | peaceguy | i mean it's not bloated, that dvd? |
| 20:25.35 | peaceguy | i can make minimal system using that? |
| 20:26.06 | greycat | At the end of the install, you get a dialog (or whiptail) box that lets you CHOOSE which software you want to install, from several "tasks" which are big collections of stuff, like desktop environments. |
| 20:26.24 | greycat | Or the equivalent of dialog/whiptail if for some reason you're not using the text-mode installer. |
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| 20:27.09 | thavlik | Hi folks, I have an issue where every once in a while my mouse wheel will jump in the opposite direction a few increments. I have tried a different mouse, and unplugging/plugging it back in does not serve to fix the mouse by "resetting" it |
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| 20:28.15 | peaceguy | yes i have similar problem, my cursor resets |
| 20:28.34 | peaceguy | just maybe similar; but i am not looking for solution now, i am away now |
| 20:28.36 | peaceguy | thanks |
| 20:29.03 | thavlik | damn :'( |
| 20:29.40 | peaceguy | i suspect |
| 20:29.44 | peaceguy | graphics driver? |
| 20:29.52 | peaceguy | could be wildly wrong ^^ lol |
| 20:29.53 | peaceguy | sorry |
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| 20:31.17 | peaceguy | https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/ this works right? |
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| 20:33.36 | thavlik | why would it be graphics drivers? |
| 20:33.57 | RoyK | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.01 | RoyK | oops |
| 20:35.21 | peaceguy | i don't know thavlik |
| 20:35.28 | peaceguy | because i use libre drivers |
| 20:35.50 | peaceguy | i accuse them of everything |
| 20:35.51 | peaceguy | lol |
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| 20:40.32 | bodqhrohro | What exact upstream kernel version do Debian linux-image-* packages correspond to: the one specified in the package name or the package version? |
| 20:41.09 | greycat | Stretch uses a 4.9.x kernel, currently based on 4.9.110 |
| 20:42.27 | bodqhrohro | And the testing one? It has 4.17.0 in the name and 4.17.8 in the version |
| 20:42.58 | greycat | You are confusing the ABI version with the actual kernel version. |
| 20:43.15 | greycat | The stretch kernel ABI version is currently 4.9.0-7 |
| 20:43.28 | greycat | The stretch kernel version is currently 4.9.110-1 |
| 20:44.34 | bodqhrohro | So the bugfix in 4.17.3 of upstream must be already presented in 4.17.8 of Debian package? |
| 20:44.49 | greycat | ,kernels |
| 20:44.50 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.17.0-1-686-pae (4.17.8-1); buster: 4.17.0-1-686-pae (4.17.8-1); stretch-backports: 4.17.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.17.8-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-7-686-pae (4.9.110-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.7-686-pae (4.9.110-1~deb8u1); wheezy-backports: |
| 20:44.51 | judd | 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1) |
| 20:45.03 | greycat | Possibly. Ask #debian-next on OFTC. |
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| 20:49.49 | dashs | Current stable: running mplayer (or vlc) audio stream command works fine. If put in the background (with &} it suspends the job. Wassup with that? |
| 20:51.15 | Brigo | dashs, weird, have you tried fg command? |
| 20:52.38 | dashs | Brigo: To bring it back? |
| 20:53.00 | Brigo | dashs, it works for me (with vlc, i don't have mplayer installed) |
| 20:53.10 | greycat | It suspends in the background most likely because it's trying to read input from the temrinal. |
| 20:53.14 | Brigo | dashs, yes, as a test |
| 20:53.44 | greycat | If you want to run a program that can possibly read terminal I/O in the background, either tell it not to read any I/O using some command-specific option, or redirect stdin </dev/null |
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| 20:54.10 | dashs | greycat: want this in a script -- no input |
| 20:54.22 | Brigo | dashs, how are you running the command exactly? |
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| 20:55.08 | dashs | Brigo: /usr/bin/mplayer -ao alsa:device=hw=2.7 http://dummy:guest@www.dashs.com:8083/dtunes/dave & |
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| 20:56.23 | RoyK | dashs: or bg to put in the background |
| 20:56.27 | dashs | Get error: do_connect: could not connect to socket |
| 20:57.20 | Brigo | dashs, it works for me. |
| 20:57.42 | dashs | Brigo: so something environmental here. |
| 20:57.49 | Brigo | i think so. |
| 20:57.53 | Brigo | maybe some alias. |
| 20:57.58 | Brigo | why mplayer? |
| 20:58.21 | greycat | also note that there are many different versions of mplayer |
| 20:58.30 | dashs | Had some other issue with vlc aways back. |
| 20:58.56 | greycat | I'd still just throw a </dev/null in there before the & and see if that fixes it. |
| 20:59.06 | dashs | I'll verify that vlc fails in same way. |
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| 21:06.42 | Kurogane | I've a problem with an alias, i setup an alias and working fine in the console but the problem is when i try to call via bash script not working... How i can the alias recognize me the command in the bash file? |
| 21:07.11 | greycat | aliases do not fire in bash scripts, unless you go out of your way to make them do so, because otherwise your aliases would wreck every script you run |
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| 21:11.34 | coruja | in a script the non-aliased version shouldn't be a problem |
| 21:12.01 | coruja | or write a function to wrap around if really needed |
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| 21:17.35 | dashs | greycat is the winner, forcing stdin to /dev/null produces output! |
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| 21:30.25 | AeCEgGfTv5 | running debian stable here, just want to make sure that the correct way to update is the follwing: run apt-get update and then apt-get full-upgrade |
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| 21:31.09 | mefistofeles | AeCEgGfTv5: update but staying in stable? |
| 21:31.27 | AeCEgGfTv5 | yes I want to stay in stable |
| 21:31.45 | AeCEgGfTv5 | I want to "mirror" whatever "Debian Stable" is |
| 21:32.24 | mefistofeles | I'd say just an apt upgrade should be sufficient |
| 21:32.36 | AeCEgGfTv5 | oh ok |
| 21:32.57 | annadane | apt upgrade is fine unless it says there's packages held back |
| 21:32.57 | apt | ...but upgrade is already something else... |
| 21:33.34 | mefistofeles | apt: what do you mean? |
| 21:33.34 | apt | I mean what I mean! |
| 21:33.38 | mefistofeles | oh, bot |
| 21:33.39 | mefistofeles | xD |
| 21:34.09 | AeCEgGfTv5 | i don't hold anything back, I always mirror whatever debian team does |
| 21:34.21 | mefistofeles | AeCEgGfTv5: sometimes packages get held back automatically |
| 21:34.26 | mefistofeles | not really sure what the reasons are |
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| 21:35.01 | AeCEgGfTv5 | i'm using this on a internet connected router, don't want too frequent updates :) |
| 21:35.19 | mefistofeles | https://askubuntu.com/questions/601/the-following-packages-have-been-kept-back-why-and-how-do-i-solve-it |
| 21:35.22 | mefistofeles | I see |
| 21:35.25 | annadane | mefistofeles, if you have that problem currently, post it to paste.debian.net and perhaps #debian can resolve it |
| 21:35.26 | annadane | !bat |
| 21:35.26 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 21:35.51 | mefistofeles | annadane: no, not me |
| 21:35.53 | annadane | and you won't get frequent updates with stable. usually just security updates |
| 21:36.05 | AeCEgGfTv5 | excellent |
| 21:36.43 | AeCEgGfTv5 | annadane you don't have to be an iptables expert right? |
| 21:36.48 | AeCEgGfTv5 | happen* |
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| 21:37.12 | annadane | mo |
| 21:37.13 | annadane | no |
| 21:38.17 | mefistofeles | AeCEgGfTv5: you can just try asking the question and see if someone can answer it |
| 21:39.04 | AeCEgGfTv5 | i built a debian router with the following 3 network interfaces: eth0 (WAN), eth1 (LAN), tun0 (VPN). I want all traffic to go through the tun0 VPN. I setup some basic firewall iptable rules and everything is working perfectly |
| 21:39.17 | AeCEgGfTv5 | however, I want to make sure the rules I have are secure and restrictive |
| 21:39.24 | AeCEgGfTv5 | these are the rules: http://termbin.com/2vqj7 |
| 21:39.49 | AeCEgGfTv5 | it's connected directly to the internet |
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| 22:27.58 | peterrooney | I have a computer with both HDMI and DVI outputs, monitor _only_ attached to DVI. Console messages go to monitor on boot, and the various TTYs also,, but for X, every display managers see a non-existent monitor attached to HDMI and make that the primary output. Using names determined by /sys/class/drm, I've tried various combinations of video=XXX:d video=YYY:e at boot, to either no result or "signal out of range". Any ideas what I |
| 22:27.58 | peterrooney | should ask next? |
| 22:28.37 | peterrooney | Some desktop environments let me pop up an xterm under the mouse after a 'blind' login, others do not. |
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| 22:29.16 | peterrooney | I'd like to not have to run xrandr after every login. |
| 22:30.19 | klys | peterrooney, have you considered forming a complete /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? docs are at freedesktop.org |
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| 22:32.07 | peterrooney | klys, like it's 2002 all over again? I have not considered that yet. One moment. |
| 22:33.44 | aindilis | what is the best way to play Doom on Debian, as close to the original? |
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| 22:37.34 | klys | aindilis, not sure, though I'd try with qemu/freedos |
| 22:38.36 | klys | then again you could probably get by with wine32:i386+dosbox |
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| 22:50.53 | aindilis | klys: I wound up just using freedoom |
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| 23:04.53 | peterrooney | Well that's not where the docs are. "Xorg -configure", followed by "X -config xorg.conf.new" gives the fatuous error message, "Fatal server error:\n(EE) no screens found(EE)" |
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| 23:10.19 | klys | peterrooney, take a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log and perhaps paste that if you want more assistance. |
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| 23:23.54 | peterrooney | klys: http://paste.debian.net/1036484/ |
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| 23:25.41 | peterrooney | interesting to me is that (i) X re-enables the HDMI at all in the first place, and (ii) X uses slightly different names for the video ports. |
| 23:26.17 | klys | peterrooney, take a look at line 17? please specify a /path/to/your/xorg.conf.new |
| 23:31.01 | peterrooney | whoops. http://paste.debian.net/1036485/ |
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| 23:33.24 | klys | peterrooney, lloks like you need to tell it to use "radeon" instead of "amdgpu". |
| 23:33.40 | klys | for further assistance you can post your xorg.conf |
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| 23:39.13 | Okee | Can someone offer a suggestion for reducing Touchpad sensitivity in Debian stable? I took a look at https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/6ofa3p/touchpad_too_sensitive_libinput/ but not sure this is the best commands for what I am trying to do. |
| 23:39.18 | peterrooney | xorg.conf.new, pasted at http://paste.debian.net/1036486/ (since there is no xorg.conf) |
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| 23:48.46 | peterrooney | klys: well, changing amdgpu to radeon does make that work, but that is a separate issue. interesting that the autogenerated conffile doesn't work, but using without a conffile DOES work. |
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| 23:50.52 | peterrooney | i'm swearing up and down at this zotac; nothing on it has been straightforward. boot, networking, sound, X |
| 23:51.35 | klys | peterrooney, I only see one monitor section in your xorg.conf.new file; so does that have the issue with the secondary monitor or not? |
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