| 00:00.23 | at0m | like i said, it's the kid that breaks stuff |
| 00:01.10 | antto | may i suggest switching to lolcat phrases in the future? ;P~ |
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| 00:01.36 | antto | debian icanhazcheezbrgr sounds good |
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| 00:03.36 | at0m | suggest it to the mailing list, for when debian runs out of toystory names |
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| 00:04.16 | antto | by that time i'm sure there will be a toystory 2 movie with new characters x_x |
| 00:05.00 | at0m | there is a 2. and a 3. |
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| 00:05.15 | antto | well... 4 then |
| 00:05.59 | antto | anywayz, i think i read that when they go thru all of them they gonna repeat them |
| 00:08.45 | at0m | antto: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/303169/what-will-debian-releases-be-called-after-they-run-out-of-toy-story-characters/303173#303173 |
| 00:09.09 | at0m | "Even if Toy Story 4 were the last and would not have any additional names we have enough names another 40 or so years of release of Debian." |
| 00:09.47 | at0m | and with that, nn |
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| 06:17.56 | michael2 | hi all, does anyone know the minimum partition size for embedding a LUKS container into? |
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| 06:34.03 | novilog | Is Spotify installed by default as a part of Debian Stretch or Gnome? I never installed it explicitly, nor do I want it installed, however when I try to purge it no record of such a package is found. I would just leave it alone, but apt is erroring when trying to update package repositories, because the key is expired for Spotify or something like that. Not sure how to handle it. |
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| 06:36.56 | mischief | does anyone know how to fix .Xauthority on a running X server? i think my hostname changed and that's preventing X programs from running |
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| 06:40.40 | novilog | I wound up just deleting the offending repository from my sources.list.d/ directory, but in the future is there a more graceful/more proper way to handle this? |
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| 06:47.09 | Haohmaru | novilog how did you install debian? |
| 06:47.34 | Haohmaru | this spotify thing is "non-free" so i kinda doubt it would be installed by default |
| 06:47.48 | Haohmaru | more info here https://wiki.debian.org/spotify |
| 06:48.02 | Haohmaru | notice the warning |
| 06:49.06 | dgp | Sounds like it was installed manually and they do what skype etc do and add a source.. |
| 06:49.31 | novilog | Haohmaru: In the usual way. Netinst cd with verified keys and added dev tools. I do have non-free repositories listed, but I don't recall installing Spotify or anything related to it. |
| 06:49.52 | Haohmaru | weird then |
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| 06:50.29 | novilog | Although, I could have installed it late one night just messing around and forgot about it |
| 06:51.08 | Haohmaru | that's unfortunate |
| 06:51.11 | novilog | Also possible that I installed it, decided I didn't want it, deleted the application, but didn't realize that it added a .list or keys |
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| 06:51.40 | Haohmaru | uh, when you said "deleted the application" that sounded kinda alarming to me |
| 06:52.06 | novilog | Package. It's late and I'm still relatively new to Debian. |
| 06:52.22 | novilog | Don't be alarmed by my terminology, I'm a veteran terminal user. |
| 06:52.25 | Haohmaru | you didn't go into some system folder and shift-del some files like on windewz, right? |
| 06:52.33 | novilog | No sir. |
| 06:52.35 | Haohmaru | k |
| 06:52.54 | novilog | it probably looked something like sudo apt-get purge package_name |
| 06:53.14 | novilog | Can't be sure though, because I don't remember installing it in the first place. |
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| 06:53.42 | Haohmaru | well, *shrug* |
| 06:53.49 | novilog | So is the best solution then to do what I did and delete the .list and the keys? |
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| 06:54.33 | toruvinn | oops |
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| 07:33.49 | orekix | how often should I update on sid? every other day? |
| 07:38.27 | dgp | If you're asking you probably shouldn't be using it |
| 07:39.54 | orekix | fair enough |
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| 07:43.42 | `whoami` | i guess other people not using sid might still be interested in a proper answer |
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| 07:44.55 | `whoami` | (in case they get in front of a sid machine, one day. With the need to maintain it) |
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| 07:52.02 | petn-randall | `whoami`: Every time you have time to potentially fix a disastrous bug stopping your machine from booting. |
| 07:52.38 | petn-randall | `whoami`: "maintain" is also a strong word, it's not maintainable in the same sense as stable servers. |
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| 07:58.16 | `whoami` | ah |
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| 08:13.16 | boritek | hi, which kernel paramter can change the keymap while pxe booting? |
| 08:14.29 | boritek | locale=... didnt work |
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| 08:20.45 | p0lyph3m | boritek: if you build own kernel you can hard set the "default" keymap |
| 08:21.58 | boritek | p0lyph3m: i dont build it on my own, just want to change the sock on the fly |
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| 08:30.10 | p0lyph3m | boritek: check here : https://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/InstallFromGRUB |
| 08:31.05 | p0lyph3m | vmlinuz lang=en_US keymap=us |
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| 08:53.05 | boritek | p0lyph3m: that is for centos 5, in centos 7 it should be inst.keymap and inst.lang |
| 08:53.26 | boritek | but while it works for centos-7-minimal, it does not work for centos-7-everything iso for some reason |
| 08:54.37 | `whoami` | hello, can debian's systemd be configured to not start services automatically when installing new services ? |
| 08:56.50 | `whoami` | all i can find is about "How To Configure a Linux Service to Start Automatically After a Crash", "debian - Disable a service from starting at all runlevels" and so on, but not how to make it the default to not start new installed services |
| 08:57.48 | boritek | `whoami`: use systemclt disable xxxx.service |
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| 08:58.10 | Tom-_ | that's systemctl |
| 08:58.13 | boritek | `whoami`: use "systemcltl disable xxxx.service" |
| 08:58.30 | `whoami` | yeah, that's how to disable a service |
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| 08:58.52 | `whoami` | but i don't want to do that, i want the new installed services/packages to be disabled by default |
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| 09:00.35 | boritek | im not sure if it is possible |
| 09:00.36 | `whoami` | s/\/packages// |
| 09:01.05 | boritek | normally you install a service that you want to use |
| 09:01.17 | `whoami` | yeah, but most services have crappy default config |
| 09:01.36 | `whoami` | so i still need to disable it, configure it properly, and re-enable it |
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| 09:03.03 | `whoami` | where would be the best place to open a feature request ? |
| 09:03.13 | `whoami` | (or whatever it's called) |
| 09:03.49 | furrymcgee | services are installed by dpkg independent of systemd |
| 09:03.50 | boritek | maybe you can also check the option to configure a unit with a list of trusted services and you boot into that "runlevel" |
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| 09:04.01 | boritek | and add further service on-demand |
| 09:05.17 | `whoami` | furrymcgee: isn't it sysmted that controls if a service is enabled or not ? Not sure why dpkg enter the games here |
| 09:05.40 | `whoami` | i'll look into that boritek, thanks |
| 09:05.52 | vandman | Hi, is anyone hav having trouble using bluetooth mouse under Debian9? I connected 3 different mouses. It worked for 3 to 5 seconds and then nothing??? |
| 09:06.05 | boritek | https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues |
| 09:08.12 | darxmurf | weird, the PATH of the root account was wrong on my testing machine, anybody else got this issue ? |
| 09:08.20 | darxmurf | like /sbin was missing |
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| 09:18.07 | ayekat | darxmurf: is /sbin a symlink by any chance? |
| 09:18.56 | jelly | darxmurf, how do you become root, sudo can use defualt PATH sometimes depending on its config |
| 09:19.10 | darxmurf | ayekat: nop |
| 09:19.13 | darxmurf | jelly: su |
| 09:19.40 | darxmurf | another guy just posted on a forum about that, that's why I found a bit weird |
| 09:20.28 | darxmurf | and the /etc/profile file is correct |
| 09:21.22 | jelly | "su" or "su -"? |
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| 09:23.07 | darxmurf | su |
| 09:23.18 | jelly | and what happens if you do the other one? |
| 09:23.37 | darxmurf | path is correct Oo |
| 09:23.41 | darxmurf | interresting |
| 09:23.55 | darxmurf | with su: /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games |
| 09:24.01 | darxmurf | with su -: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
| 09:24.36 | darxmurf | never had this issue before, interesting |
| 09:24.52 | jelly | which debian release is this |
| 09:25.10 | darxmurf | testing |
| 09:25.29 | darxmurf | buster/sid |
| 09:25.32 | jelly | I don't know if anything hash changed in su after stretch |
| 09:25.40 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 09:25.41 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 09:43.31 | fpat | i tried to gunzip /usr/share/doc contents and find complains about too many levels of symbolic links. how should i deal with that? |
| 09:44.38 | jelly | fpat, what exactly did you try to do? |
| 09:44.55 | jelly | and what was your actual goal |
| 09:45.15 | fpat | i typed: find /usr/share/doc -name *.gz -exec gunzip {} \; |
| 09:45.28 | fpat | i wanted to unpack everything |
| 09:45.29 | jelly | why |
| 09:46.03 | fpat | it bothered me that i needed to switch to root everytime when i wanted to read there |
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| 09:46.15 | jelly | read what, give an example? |
| 09:46.46 | fpat | e.g. /usr/share/doc/dpkg/THANKS was packed with gzip |
| 09:47.00 | jelly | zless /usr/share/doc/dpkg/THANKS.gz |
| 09:47.04 | jelly | run that ^ |
| 09:47.16 | jelly | or gzip -dc /usr/share/doc/dpkg/THANKS.gz | less |
| 09:47.22 | fpat | oh no, it can read gzips |
| 09:48.32 | jelly | unpacking files that came as package contents will make a mess and lots of leftovers after the packages get upgraded. Best avoid doing that at all |
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| 09:48.51 | fpat | i see now |
| 09:48.53 | p0lyph3m | zcat /usr/share/doc/THANKS.gz | less |
| 09:49.27 | jelly | zless and zcat are just simple wrappers around gzip |
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| 10:42.58 | Kelsar | zless? |
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| 10:43.09 | Kelsar | nvm |
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| 10:51.47 | StringLiteral | hello, is there an easier way to switch between multiple windows of the same program in gnome3 on debian? |
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| 11:09.18 | blackflow | StringLiteral: alt + ` (that's backtick) |
| 11:10.17 | jelly | probably supposed to be Alt + TheKeyJustAboveTab |
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| 11:11.15 | jelly | (which is actually ` on US layout, but ` might be in a completely different place and requiring more modifiers on other layouts) |
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| 11:12.43 | blackflow | you're probably right. <key above tab> is defined in the gnome.org wiki, so I guess it does the scancode |
| 11:14.48 | Fox | jelly: AltGr + 7 on FR layout |
| 11:18.48 | StringLiteral | blackflow, if I can find backtick on my kb :) |
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| 11:19.50 | blackflow | StringLiteral: try what jelly suggested instead, I think that's actually the correct answer |
| 11:20.22 | StringLiteral | jelly, holy everest, you did it! |
| 11:20.26 | StringLiteral | thank you very much! |
| 11:20.37 | StringLiteral | I was about to install extensions just for this |
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| 11:21.55 | StringLiteral | thank you, blackflow |
| 11:22.53 | StringLiteral | the nice thing is, it is just for the multiple windows of the same program |
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| 11:27.19 | Haohmaru | those schizofrenic programs |
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| 11:33.18 | StringLiteral | alternatively, I was just pointed to the extension that disables grouping of applications; https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/15/alternatetab/ |
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| 12:34.59 | peaceguy | hello |
| 12:35.00 | adolphsmoustache | Greetings, puny earthlings! |
| 12:35.12 | adolphsmoustache | I represent Adolph Hitler's moustache. |
| 12:35.19 | adolphsmoustache | I am here to rule over the world |
| 12:35.52 | peaceguy | hello adolphsmoustache |
| 12:36.01 | peaceguy | peace is the way adolphsmoustache |
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| 12:37.31 | peaceguy | i need to set up separate encrypted /home partition |
| 12:37.34 | peaceguy | i am using netinstall |
| 12:37.37 | peaceguy | debian 9.5 |
| 12:37.39 | darxmurf | why is there still freaks around on IRC |
| 12:37.42 | peaceguy | and |
| 12:38.08 | darxmurf | and why the hell they come on #debian |
| 12:38.15 | peaceguy | i need to set up / /home and also two data partitons that won't be used |
| 12:38.34 | peaceguy | so what are the proper parameters for setting each partition up? |
| 12:38.40 | peaceguy | when i set /home |
| 12:38.52 | peaceguy | it says journaling ext4 system |
| 12:39.00 | peaceguy | and when i go to set encrypted volumes |
| 12:39.20 | peaceguy | it switches to physical drive for encryption |
| 12:39.23 | adolphsmoustache | i am the MOST ELEET HAXXXER |
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| 12:39.35 | peaceguy | should i go with that or change to ext4? |
| 12:39.39 | darxmurf | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:39.46 | peaceguy | what are the proper parameters? |
| 12:40.00 | peaceguy | i mean this is pretty straightforward.. |
| 12:40.04 | peaceguy | should be |
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| 12:41.03 | darxmurf | I think you should use LVM+Encryption |
| 12:41.20 | peaceguy | ok |
| 12:41.21 | peaceguy | but |
| 12:41.27 | peaceguy | that option is not manual |
| 12:41.47 | peaceguy | i don't need just / and /home i need some other partitions |
| 12:41.50 | peaceguy | just for data |
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| 12:42.07 | Haohmaru | no he ain't |
| 12:42.17 | adolphsmoustache | damn its back |
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| 12:43.18 | Haohmaru | adolphsmoustache i know a moar eleet haxor than u |
| 12:43.42 | adolphsmoustache | Haohmaru: impossible |
| 12:43.44 | adolphsmoustache | i am lilo |
| 12:43.49 | adolphsmoustache | there is no more eleet |
| 12:43.52 | Haohmaru | he works for teh NSA and he's in ur comput0r right now, browsing yer logs |
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| 12:44.10 | adolphsmoustache | Haohmaru: no he aint because i aint got a computer connected |
| 12:44.24 | adolphsmoustache | all smart phone fatass nigger lying whore you are |
| 12:44.32 | Haohmaru | yeah, technically u don't have a computer |
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| 12:44.58 | adolphsmoustache | I DO |
| 12:45.03 | adolphsmoustache | NOT CONNECTED TO IRC THO |
| 12:45.04 | adolphsmoustache | LOL |
| 12:45.08 | adolphsmoustache | and thats becausr |
| 12:45.15 | adolphsmoustache | you are not haxxering my stuff |
| 12:45.21 | adolphsmoustache | android is unhaxxerable |
| 12:45.37 | adolphsmoustache | WARNING! WARNING! WARNING! |
| 12:45.49 | adolphsmoustache | THE JEWS ARE COMING! THE JEWS ARE COMING! |
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| 12:47.55 | darxmurf | somebody to kickban this guy please ? |
| 12:48.00 | Fox | adolphsmoustache: would you mind dying suffocated with your own d*ck ? |
| 12:48.06 | Haohmaru | he is klined |
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| 12:48.44 | Haohmaru | but my nose tells me he gonna be back |
| 12:48.49 | p0lyph3m | klined ?? |
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| 12:50.21 | peaceguy | greycat |
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| 12:57.48 | peaceguy | darxmurf |
| 12:58.03 | peaceguy | why lvm? it's not manual |
| 12:58.05 | peaceguy | manual |
| 12:58.20 | peaceguy | lvm+encryption sets /home and / |
| 12:58.27 | peaceguy | with some default sizes |
| 12:58.31 | peaceguy | i want another partition |
| 12:58.33 | peaceguy | manual |
| 12:58.40 | peaceguy | what's the proper way to encrypt them |
| 12:58.50 | peaceguy | what are the parameters i need to set for every partition? |
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| 13:01.04 | altf4 | I get : W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/jessie/updates/InRelease Unable to find expected entry 'main/binary-powerpc/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file) |
| 13:01.06 | altf4 | On power PC, Is there anything I can do with it? |
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| 13:14.57 | jhutchins | !ppc |
| 13:14.58 | dpkg | PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on Old World PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <macsound>, <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>, <ppc64>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:16.06 | jhutchins | altf4: There's not much left of the ppc support, you're probably better off finding the mailing lists than irc. |
| 13:17.09 | altf4 | ok |
| 13:17.16 | altf4 | thank you |
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| 13:54.28 | ghostferp | I have a Thinkpad R52, Debian and I have not been able to get the trackpad to work. Many hours surfing ... Nothing |
| 13:54.34 | ghostferp | worked |
| 13:54.48 | ghostferp | any Ideas? |
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| 13:55.43 | Brigo | ghostferp, have you checked logs? |
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| 13:58.21 | peaceguy | you need drivers for trackpad ghostferp |
| 13:58.31 | peaceguy | https://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad |
| 13:58.35 | peaceguy | this maybe ^^ ghostferp |
| 13:58.37 | ghostferp | Thanks |
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| 13:58.47 | peaceguy | mo problem friend :) |
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| 14:01.37 | jelly | ghostferp, might be disabled in bios? |
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| 14:02.29 | jelly | I can't stand the trackpad so I disable it there, OS does not see the device exists at all after that |
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| 14:03.30 | qqz | help; libreoffice does not offer to show spellchecking at me |
| 14:03.53 | qqz | there are no red wavy underlines though the menu shows that autocorrection would be enabled |
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| 14:04.07 | qqz | I have installed libreoffice-l10-de but that did not help |
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| 14:08.33 | ghostferp | It might be just bad It only shows the joystick crap |
| 14:09.04 | ghostferp | in bios |
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| 14:09.53 | peaceguy | in bios? |
| 14:09.56 | peaceguy | check in bios |
| 14:10.01 | peaceguy | ? |
| 14:12.13 | ghostferp | Yep going to check the cable. |
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| 14:13.28 | peaceguy | what cable? |
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| 14:15.41 | chimera | qqz: Grammar checkers can be downloaded and installed as extensions. See the extensions web page: https://extensions.libreoffice.org/extensions?getCategories=Dictionary&getCompatibility=any |
| 14:16.10 | jhutchins_wk | qqz: Have you set your language? |
| 14:16.27 | jhutchins_wk | qqz: https://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/82289/spell-check-doesnt-work/ |
| 14:17.34 | qqz | now having installed hunspeell instead of myspell it works |
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| 14:18.23 | Tenkawa | Is there any good way to test mmc cards for compliancy with controllers? I have 4 64g mmc cards from diff vendors that registr under the same driver in this linux box and only one of them (on this piece if hardware mind you) doesn't corrupt once you mount and use it.. and its repeatable almost exactly |
| 14:18.43 | Tenkawa | er piece if/of |
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| 14:18.51 | debron | hey guys |
| 14:19.01 | debron | trying to make a script that compress the old logs automatically |
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| 14:19.20 | greycat | logrotate? |
| 14:19.20 | debron | best ive done for now is compressing them , 1 archive per file |
| 14:19.24 | Tenkawa | it is odd,... i've never even seen somethiing quite so weird |
| 14:19.26 | debron | mmmm !!! |
| 14:19.45 | debron | greycat: you are right xD |
| 14:19.55 | debron | i though the same friday, and today i forgot about that |
| 14:20.14 | debron | ok, going back to study how to apply logrotate , thanks! |
| 14:21.57 | peaceguy | greycat i want to set partitions |
| 14:22.05 | peaceguy | manually |
| 14:22.06 | peaceguy | how to encrypt them? |
| 14:22.14 | peaceguy | what are the parameters that i need to set? |
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| 14:23.32 | jhutchins_wk | peaceguy: Have you read the install guide? Have you read the wiki pages about encryption? |
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| 14:24.42 | peaceguy | ok jhutchins_wk i'll see again |
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| 14:26.33 | debron | greycat: cant use logrotate, already using log4php |
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| 14:27.00 | debron | and the appender im using its already configured as daily file |
| 14:27.13 | debron | now i need to write the script that compress it manually :/ |
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| 14:27.40 | debron | did it, but want to add all files per day in same archive |
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| 14:29.01 | greycat | Oh, it's not a single continuous log file that you interrupt? Something customized with many files per time period? How are the files named? How do you know which ones are "per day"? |
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| 14:33.35 | ghostferp | Well the ribbon cable is cut... Thanks for all the help guys |
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| 14:47.08 | jelly | debron, what do the file paths look like and cna you reliably figure out which ones will not get appended any more and are safe to compress? |
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| 14:50.02 | Stochastix_ | Is there a place I can get the previous 9.4 installer that had a little older kernel? |
| 14:50.15 | greycat | !archive |
| 14:50.15 | dpkg | [archive] a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
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| 14:50.57 | peaceguy | is your trackpad ok now? |
| 14:52.33 | debron | jelly i just readed you, sorry. Im almost done |
| 14:52.35 | Stochastix_ | well, its still Debian stretch, but just one release older. I dont think it is in archives? |
| 14:52.46 | debron | what im doing its save all filenames in a string, separated by space ' ' |
| 14:53.04 | greycat | debron: .... whyyyyyyy |
| 14:53.13 | debron | then later i execute a tar command cfv...something else, with allows me to put more than one file |
| 14:53.25 | debron | whats wrong greycat |
| 14:53.26 | greycat | tucks into the fetal position and whimpers |
| 14:53.46 | greycat | You have just repeated 40 years of shell horror. |
| 14:54.00 | greycat | We will never be able to overcome the apathy and the wrongness. |
| 14:54.01 | debron | xDD |
| 14:54.36 | debron | im using also this logrotate |
| 14:54.45 | debron | but for daily logging purpose |
| 14:54.50 | debron | it doesnt compress old ones... |
| 14:54.57 | greycat | https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/005 https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashProgramming#Variables |
| 14:56.32 | debron | but... an array, what if i want to put them in a single line.. as a string |
| 14:56.41 | debron | i need to create the archive and append all files in same command |
| 14:56.41 | greycat | what if one of the filenames has a space in it |
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| 14:56.45 | debron | dont want double bucle |
| 14:56.58 | debron | well... that would be a big problem haha |
| 14:57.06 | debron | but they wont, at least in this case |
| 14:57.16 | debron | uhm |
| 14:57.26 | debron | so... i guess it would be nicer |
| 14:57.35 | debron | ill re-write it tomorrow then, with arrays |
| 14:57.55 | debron | thanks you greycat , you had a point |
| 14:58.01 | debron | saved urls as favorites |
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| 14:58.14 | debron | now gtg, have a great day you all |
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| 15:02.38 | hsn | what is name of package which will bring system to state where you can compile C code |
| 15:03.02 | peaceguy | gcc is important |
| 15:03.05 | peaceguy | but |
| 15:03.13 | peaceguy | i don't know if there's probably something else |
| 15:03.14 | greycat | build-essential |
| 15:03.17 | peaceguy | that ^^ |
| 15:03.19 | peaceguy | LOL! |
| 15:04.18 | hsn | greycat: is there docker image which includes build-essential? |
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| 15:09.28 | offensive_person | can someone help me make sense of this screen i get when booting: https://imgur.com/6H9CKuq |
| 15:09.43 | offensive_person | i think its some sort of bootkit but i'm not sure |
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| 15:14.26 | cyclic3 | offensive_person: i see what you did there, gr8 meme 10/10 |
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| 15:42.16 | hsn | how to make apt-get to avoid reading database noise. apt-get -qq install does not do this |
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| 15:48.43 | jhutchins_wk | hsn: Why is it a problem? |
| 15:49.22 | hsn | it spams output of my CI job a lot |
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| 15:55.35 | dgp | hsn: is your CI constantly trying to reinstall packages instead of checking if they are installed with dpkg? |
| 15:56.14 | greycat | I learned not to ask why people are doing bizarre things, because the answers will usually horrify me. |
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| 15:57.02 | dgp | We both know that the CI jobs have access to password-less sudo so they can install stuff.. ;) |
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| 15:59.26 | hsn | my CI is installing packages because docker image is really minimalistic. this causes majority of log file containing apt-get spam |
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| 16:00.41 | dgp | imagines all the puppies that have died due to docker related energy misuse and cries |
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| 16:01.17 | hsn | it seems that other peope gave similar problem - https://askubuntu.com/questions/258219/how-do-i-make-apt-get-install-less-noisy can't make apt-get to be silent |
| 16:02.20 | hsn | in my case it is not just reading database spam, its installing spam as well. |
| 16:03.25 | greycat | is there a reason you don't just use >/dev/null 2>&1 on it? |
| 16:04.50 | hsn | i have trust that after 20 years of debian development, -q should work. |
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| 16:05.35 | dgp | I find haming is the best way to make software do what you want. Especially if you paid nothing for it. |
| 16:05.42 | dgp | s/haming/shaming/ |
| 16:08.25 | hsn | i do not know word shaming but being distributed at zero cost should not be used as excuse for not working software as documented. |
| 16:10.21 | annadane | uh... maybe the docker image is broken and -q doesn't do as intended? |
| 16:10.34 | annadane | not sure why it's not working |
| 16:11.43 | greycat | A single -q doesn't seem to do much. It changes "Reading package lists... (buzz buzz buzz) Done" into "Reading package lists..." |
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| 16:12.37 | greycat | And the man page says that using two -q's turns on -y which is like the stupidest thing I've heard all day. |
| 16:12.53 | annadane | that seems not sensible |
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| 16:14.54 | annadane | and "shaming" is relative. criticism doesn't have to be shaming |
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| 16:22.11 | dgp | annadane: Moaning that something has been indevelopment for 20 years and doesn't do what you think boohoo is worthless. There's a bug tracker, if it's a real issue open a bug for it. |
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| 16:26.18 | NicolaiVdS | hello while upgrading a clients server i subled opon following error (error while loading shared libraries: libmysqlclient.so.10: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory) |
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| 16:26.21 | NicolaiVdS | its missing the client 10 lib is there a way to install this on debian 8 ? currently mysql 5.5 is running on it |
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| 16:27.57 | Tenkawa | this still boggles me with this microsd card corruptio i'm seeing |
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| 16:28.59 | annadane | when "quiet" clearly doesn't do what's intended i'd call that a not desirable feature |
| 16:29.07 | dgp | Tenkawa: running debian from an sd card? |
| 16:29.32 | Tenkawa | the only one that doesnt corrupt is the probably the biggest pos one i'm testing with |
| 16:29.32 | dgp | annadane: hence the BTS existing to report things like that |
| 16:29.51 | Tenkawa | dgp: long story |
| 16:30.09 | Tenkawa | short version: |
| 16:30.24 | dgp | From my experience SD cards are pretty useless for running an OS from. They always seem to go bad after a few months |
| 16:30.24 | Tenkawa | no internal drive bays |
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| 16:30.50 | Tenkawa | so just experimenting |
| 16:31.14 | Tenkawa | the solid state they built on this machine is only 32gb |
| 16:31.47 | Tenkawa | hooked up usb 3 external sata and it runs like lightning |
| 16:31.58 | dgp | ARM thingy? |
| 16:32.04 | Tenkawa | just dont like hooking up external cabinet constantly |
| 16:32.12 | Tenkawa | dgp: nope... dell |
| 16:32.34 | dgp | 32gb is pretty small internal storage for anything x86 :/ |
| 16:32.44 | Tenkawa | dell has started selling amd stuff again |
| 16:33.25 | Tenkawa | the box itself box being an entry low dollar box has been quite nice |
| 16:33.25 | annadane | ram or disk space? |
| 16:33.33 | annadane | i assume latter |
| 16:33.55 | Tenkawa | it actally comes with 4gb ram and an open slot |
| 16:34.19 | Tenkawa | (and the installed one is a socket not soldered) |
| 16:34.55 | Tenkawa | (if i read the specs correct since I havent torn it completely apart yet) |
| 16:35.24 | Tenkawa | came with win 10 home 64 bit |
| 16:35.30 | Tenkawa | which was a shock |
| 16:35.49 | dgp | So you have a few hundred megabytes of free storage? |
| 16:35.52 | Tenkawa | I was getting so use to that 32 bit crap |
| 16:36.39 | Tenkawa | dgp: actually no... I had 17 gb |
| 16:37.01 | Tenkawa | I've learned how to trim |
| 16:37.25 | Tenkawa | now i have no idea what oobo would be |
| 16:38.37 | Tenkawa | oobe rather |
| 16:38.41 | jhutchins_wk | -q does as intended, but perhaps not as expected. |
| 16:39.30 | jhutchins_wk | It's supposed to produce output suitable for logging, so maybe a solution would be to redirect the output. That's not necessarily a good idea. |
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| 16:40.04 | dgp | or fix the docker image not to need packages to be installed so you don't even have to call apt-get |
| 16:40.49 | Tenkawa | any of you know much about realtek usb controllers? |
| 16:41.06 | dgp | not really but realtek usually means cheap junk |
| 16:41.10 | Tenkawa | that seems to be the root source of my quandary |
| 16:41.24 | Tenkawa | yeah I gathered that too |
| 16:42.21 | Tenkawa | it appears if I could force this once channel in usb 2 only mode i'd be ok |
| 16:42.32 | Tenkawa | but easier said than done |
| 16:42.37 | Tenkawa | er one |
| 16:42.58 | dgp | The usb controller is corrupting the data going the sd card? |
| 16:43.03 | Tenkawa | yep |
| 16:43.23 | annadane | jhutchins_wk, fair enough |
| 16:43.39 | dgp | Tenkawa: does a usb2 hub fix it? |
| 16:43.43 | Tenkawa | according to the feedback i've read |
| 16:44.04 | Tenkawa | dgp: hooked up to which port ? |
| 16:44.31 | dgp | Tenkawa: ah.. it's an internal usb card reader? |
| 16:44.34 | hsn | apt-get -qq works for me only with "update" command, it does not works with install |
| 16:44.37 | Tenkawa | yep |
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| 16:45.03 | Tenkawa | now you see the quandary |
| 16:45.07 | annadane | hsn, anyway, as suggested, probably file a wishlist bug |
| 16:45.16 | jhutchins_wk | hsn: It does not specify zero output. |
| 16:45.35 | dgp | Tenkawa: it's possible you can unplug it internally and change it if you really need too |
| 16:47.22 | greycat | hsn: -q did remove SOME of the output of an "apt-get install bash" command when I tested it. Not a lot, but some. |
| 16:47.31 | Tenkawa | heheheh if I upgrade the memory I might however until then I'm not opening up the case... its actually quite well formed and I dont want to break any of the seals |
| 16:48.21 | greycat | But I agree that a better solution is fixing the docker image that you SEEM to be using as the basis of some sort of "start with this docker image, then install packages, then do XYZ" procedure. |
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| 16:49.16 | Tenkawa | dgp: for now I'm just going to try to find a good small form usb drive for my higher capacity usages... samaung fit thumbdrives are tiny and the ones i use are working great |
| 16:49.25 | Tenkawa | I just might need larger capacity |
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| 16:55.46 | NicolaiVdS | hello someone that can help me to get libmysqlclient.so.10 in deb 8 ? |
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| 17:14.46 | Stochastix_ | I created an account with useradd -m -G sudo myuser , and when I log in the promt is just a $ and I have no auto complete and no command history. Any ideas what may be the issue? |
| 17:15.20 | greycat | you should be using adduser instead of useradd, if you aren't prepared to go through the additional steps of creating and populating the home directory yourself |
| 17:15.44 | greycat | adduser would have copied the skeleton dot files from /etc/skel/ for you |
| 17:16.21 | Stochastix_ | man, didnt even notice :) , thanks! |
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| 17:29.22 | squigz | So I just got a trackball mouse that has a wheel around the ball for scrolling. However, the default Scroll Down direction feels unnatural to me. Is there any easy way to switch this direction, or is it up to the mouse manufacturer here? |
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| 17:30.34 | annadane | horrifying memories of hair and dust getting in the stupid trackball... |
| 17:30.49 | squigz | heh |
| 17:30.57 | annadane | belongs in a museum |
| 17:31.16 | squigz | Yes, well, I don't enjoy the severe wrist pain that using a normal mouse is producing :) |
| 17:31.27 | squigz | We'll see if this is better |
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| 17:31.52 | antto | maybe adjust your chair/desk height |
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| 17:32.34 | squigz | antto: I'm a bit limitted in that regard at the moment. Going to be looking at getting a height-adjustable desk some point soon |
| 17:33.30 | antto | i think mouse configs for exotic things can be done with .conf files somewhere in xorg |
| 17:34.16 | antto | i do that to disable the acceleration (which is on by default, i can't stand it) .. so a .conf file is created then |
| 17:34.35 | antto | might be possible to invert scroller response too |
| 17:34.42 | squigz | hmmm |
| 17:35.15 | antto | arch wiki was helpful.. note: debian9 uses libinput for mouse afaik |
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| 17:35.29 | JordiGH | Did systemd kill GNU/kFreeBSD? |
| 17:36.01 | annadane | that seems like not a support question and no probably not |
| 17:37.51 | hsn | which package have python pip manager? Debian web ui do not allow me to search for it, too short. |
| 17:38.09 | greycat | ,file bin/pip |
| 17:38.14 | judd | Search for bin/pip in stretch/amd64: python-pip: usr/bin/pip |
| 17:38.19 | greycat | ,file bin/pip3 |
| 17:38.23 | judd | Search for bin/pip3 in stretch/amd64: python3-pip: usr/bin/pip3 |
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| 17:47.19 | coldice | Hello, trying to get into permissions in Linux. I understand ACL provides fine control of permissions. Recommended reading anyone? The reason is because I'm setting up samba shares and not quite sure if I should force anything in the share-options |
| 17:48.47 | annadane | squigz, if anything there's probably an option you can change in /dev |
| 17:48.52 | annadane | but i know nothing beyond that |
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| 17:49.39 | annadane | also probably depends on the mouse and also if you use a full desktop environment there may be an option |
| 17:51.02 | squigz | annadane: Noted, thanks |
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| 17:52.09 | coldice | annadane: thanks for the help the other day, ur the best! |
| 17:52.22 | annadane | i don't even remember what i helped with but ok, you're welcome :P |
| 17:53.08 | dgp | squigz: I think you can invert a mouse axis in your xorg conf. It's common to need that for touch panels.. but for some reason I'm thinking scrolling is expressed as key events or something |
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| 17:54.54 | annadane | oh yeah probably xorg's conf |
| 17:55.06 | annadane | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.18 | annadane | layers of abstraction or reductionism i guess |
| 17:55.54 | annadane | i'd helpfully add maybe googling "how to change mouse direction" |
| 17:56.29 | squigz | The searching I did was mostly for touchpads and the like, natural scrolling and whatnot. I didn't find anything relevant to an actual scroll wheel |
| 17:56.35 | squigz | I'll be doing more research |
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| 17:57.48 | annadane | i suspect it's not _much_ different |
| 17:57.54 | annadane | should be same general principle |
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| 17:59.46 | squigz | Well the results I found suggest change natural-scrolling with Gnome's settings menu or gsettings (I used the latter) which did not work |
| 17:59.54 | squigz | Gunna check out xinput's man page, maybe there's something in there |
| 18:00.57 | annadane | there's generally 3 or 4 ways to do things in unix you just need to figure out which level of abstraction the solution resides in |
| 18:00.58 | squigz | Oh! |
| 18:01.05 | squigz | Setting natural scrolling to 1 with xinput worked ;) |
| 18:01.11 | annadane | oh awesome |
| 18:01.18 | annadane | in retrospect probably obvious |
| 18:01.21 | squigz | Yes |
| 18:01.22 | squigz | :P |
| 18:01.30 | squigz | Now, let's try and get used to this trackball... |
| 18:01.34 | dgp | on linux there isn't much abstraction. Input devices generate events and xorg reads them |
| 18:01.37 | annadane | how'd you set it, just a cli option? |
| 18:01.52 | squigz | Yes, xinput set-prop "libinput Natural...." 1 |
| 18:01.58 | squigz | xinput list-props |
| 18:02.12 | squigz | I should have thought of it initally, considering I've used xinput to modify mouse settings before |
| 18:02.28 | annadane | !win squigz |
| 18:02.28 | dpkg | Congratulations, squigz! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 18:02.35 | squigz | Well that's not bad |
| 18:02.37 | hsn | is there way to download .iso of minimal debian so i will have environment similar to docker debian:stretch-slim ? |
| 18:02.37 | squigz | :D |
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| 18:03.20 | dgp | hsn: probably the netinst iso .. but you know all of the debian isos let you pick what to install |
| 18:04.17 | hsn | so there is minimal install in any iso which will be close to docker image? |
| 18:05.07 | dgp | hsn: once the base system is installed you get a selection of "tasks" you can pick. If you pick none of them or the "install standard system tools" one you'll get something that boots up to a getty with login and not much else |
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| 18:05.35 | dgp | hsn: you can also use debootstrap to do almost the same thing on a running system |
| 18:05.36 | coldice | hsn: Docker images uses the kernel from the operating systems in runs on, and kernel takes som space... in which you can't get it as slim as a docker image. |
| 18:06.14 | squigz | He just wants an environment similar to the Docker one, coldice |
| 18:06.16 | squigz | Nothing about size |
| 18:06.22 | squigz | (From what he's said) |
| 18:06.53 | coldice | squigz: I may have misinterpreted it, ps |
| 18:07.14 | dgp | coldice: you can uninstall the kernel package if you really want |
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| 18:10.57 | hsn | size is not requirement, i need to explore installed python. why virtualenv and pygresql do not works. |
| 18:15.20 | hsn | does installation require supported graphics card ? i have some 10 years old nvidia |
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| 18:19.10 | dgp | hsn: are you on linux right now? |
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| 18:19.44 | dgp | if so you can use debootstrap and just chroot into the created filesystem |
| 18:19.45 | greycat | Installation requires only that you be able to interact with the text mode installer. Graphical installer is completely optional. |
| 18:19.48 | hsn | on windows, but i have notebook for testing, 512MB RAM |
| 18:21.07 | hsn | it booted to installer, do i need expert install or install for minimal installation? |
| 18:21.29 | greycat | If all you want is a Standard install, you don't need to use expert. Just the regular non-graphical installer. |
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| 18:22.32 | Akuw | hi, where is iptables located in debian 9 |
| 18:22.43 | greycat | At the end, when you get the dialog to choose tasks (desktop environment, gnome, kde, ssh server, etc.) just un-check desktop environment(s) and voila. |
| 18:23.05 | greycat | ,file sbin/iptables |
| 18:23.09 | judd | Search for sbin/iptables in stretch/amd64: iptables: sbin/iptables |
| 18:23.32 | Akuw | but that is the file to write iptables? |
| 18:23.43 | greycat | It is the iptables command. |
| 18:24.06 | Akuw | greycat: i mean file where all directives are saved |
| 18:24.16 | Akuw | shown by iptables -L |
| 18:24.25 | greycat | That isn't saved unless you arrange for it to be saved. |
| 18:24.52 | Akuw | ohh is diferent that Centos? |
| 18:25.12 | greycat | Debian does not use any kind of firewall by default. You can install one, or make your own, however you like. |
| 18:25.29 | Akuw | ok |
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| 18:25.48 | Akuw | then i create a tabled saved in /etc/iptable right? |
| 18:26.13 | greycat | I don' |
| 18:26.29 | greycat | I don't know what packages you have installed or what configuration you are currently using. |
| 18:26.33 | klys | if you're doing nat, iptables -t nat -L; iptables -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/24 -j MASQUERADE |
| 18:26.47 | klys | something like that |
| 18:27.01 | greycat | I believe he's asking how to write something to disk that makes that happen at the next boot. |
| 18:27.24 | hsn | how can i install without swap? I Select Guided - Use entire disk, but i do not want swap |
| 18:27.47 | greycat | I always use manual partitioning. |
| 18:28.41 | klys | the main advantage of a swap partition is that you can hibernate. |
| 18:29.13 | p0lyph3m | hsn: do lvm install |
| 18:29.50 | jhutchins_wk | p0lyph3m: lvm has nothing to do with the question. |
| 18:30.18 | jhutchins_wk | Manual partitioning will allow you to skip swap, as greycat suggested. |
| 18:31.11 | p0lyph3m | jhutchins_wk: hsn is patitioning now , its not closly related but with lvm he can add swap later if he wants hibernating .... |
| 18:32.37 | chimera | I think hibernating can save to the ram |
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| 18:34.01 | p0lyph3m | anyway .... lvm is too cool not to use it :) |
| 18:34.16 | hsn | In LVM setup i deleted LV swap1 and it seems to work, i will see if it boots |
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| 18:35.19 | hsn | lvm supports persistent snapshots ? |
| 18:37.35 | p0lyph3m | hsn: yes , https://www.tecmint.com/take-snapshot-of-logical-volume-and-restore-in-lvm/ |
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| 18:41.08 | hsn | okay, so it boots fine on ancient notebook. |
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| 18:42.17 | p0lyph3m | hsn: ancient notebook ? how much ram ? |
| 18:42.30 | hsn | 512MB |
| 18:42.37 | greycat | not so very ancient, then |
| 18:43.01 | p0lyph3m | hsn: and no swap ? |
| 18:43.08 | hsn | FreeBSD with firefox works there well, if you do not open more then 2 tabs. Ubuntu does not. |
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| 18:44.08 | hsn | p0lyph3m: installer wanted 1 GB Swap, waste of disk space. |
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| 18:44.13 | chimera | Antergos in combination with Openbox should work also |
| 18:44.39 | p0lyph3m | hsn: yeah , 2 times ram |
| 18:47.00 | p0lyph3m | hsn , with lvm you can add swap partition , then activate it with swapon without rebooting n case u decide so |
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| 18:49.03 | RoyK | hsn: 512MB is a bit on the lower side - keep in mind that lvm snaps are rather horrible when it comes to performance, they effectively add n+1 write operations (meaning with three snaps, you get four writes instead of one) |
| 18:49.52 | RoyK | hsn: it should work, though, but please use a swap partition or even better, lvm, so that you can start off with, say, 1GB swap and add more later. make sure there's some free space in the lvm volume group |
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| 18:50.16 | debron | good afternoon |
| 18:50.52 | RoyK | hsn: also, with that amout of memory, I'd guess setting vm.swappiness = 100 should be good - it's normally 60 and with low memory, you really want the usable memory available for processes and not the "dead meat" of hanging pages |
| 18:51.02 | RoyK | debron: evening |
| 18:51.19 | debron | uhm, what time is afternoon then? :D |
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| 18:51.29 | debron | thanks for correction by the way :) |
| 18:51.46 | RoyK | debron: guess that depends on your timezone and culture ;) |
| 18:52.00 | debron | 19:51 here |
| 18:52.05 | debron | european |
| 18:52.06 | debron | :P |
| 18:52.17 | RoyK | UK? Iceland? |
| 18:52.32 | debron | canary island |
| 18:52.34 | debron | close to africa |
| 18:52.38 | RoyK | ok |
| 18:52.38 | debron | but part of spain |
| 18:52.47 | RoyK | I know⦠|
| 18:53.48 | debron | no offense i was just giving info around :D |
| 18:54.04 | debron | for example, im really bad a geography |
| 18:54.21 | debron | it wouldnt be strange that someone from america doesnt know where Canary is exactly |
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| 18:55.46 | RoyK | and the canaris is probably more of an archipelago than an island ;) |
| 18:55.51 | greycat | It's where Christopher Columbus stopped on his way over. |
| 18:55.54 | RoyK | has only been to Lanzarote |
| 18:55.54 | debron | at least for me.. i have noticed that people on other countries have way better education, swedden people with 14, 15, 16 years old , have knowledges that Spanish people on same age wish |
| 18:56.16 | debron | RoyK: thats where I live |
| 18:56.24 | RoyK | ok |
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| 18:57.07 | dgp | hopes your sample size is bigger than one or two people |
| 18:57.34 | debron | well, Spanish people, yeah |
| 18:57.48 | debron | swedden I haven't meet so many |
| 18:57.56 | debron | but its enought to know this |
| 18:58.19 | RoyK | so what brings you here? debian stuff or just remote islands? ;) |
| 18:58.38 | debron | well, right now I dont have nothing in particular, debian stuff, yeah, |
| 18:58.52 | debron | I like being in channel of stuff I use / like |
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| 18:59.29 | Necrony | debron, I just wondering is there canary birds on these islands? |
| 18:59.31 | debron | ... and sorry for my bad english, even I can just tell by reading myself, looks bad... |
| 18:59.45 | debron | not free :( |
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| 18:59.50 | Vanfanel | Hi! I am trying to connect to a Bluetooth device from commandline. In this particular project, I have no bluetoothd service running, nor dbus. The hci0 interface is ready. There used to be the "hidd" command to stablish the connection. What's the way to do it nowadays? |
| 19:00.11 | RoyK | debron: no problem - but keep in mind that some people in here beleive chitchat belongs to #debian-offtopic and not in here |
| 19:00.30 | debron | Necrony: must flying creatures you find are seagull and dove... very common :D |
| 19:00.34 | hsn | systemd-timesyncd is replacement for ntpd? |
| 19:00.53 | greycat | hsn: an alternative, not a replacement |
| 19:01.01 | greycat | there's also chrony |
| 19:01.50 | hsn | and what is instead of ntpq with that systemd? |
| 19:02.11 | debron | RoyK: most of the times I talk on this channel is asking for help on debian systems... this was an exception I think |
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| 19:02.16 | RoyK | hsn: imho systemd-timesyncd works for most things - ntpd is way more accurate, but you rarely need that |
| 19:03.03 | chimera | Vanfanel: https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser#Helpful_Commands |
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| 19:03.42 | RoyK | Vanfanel: what sort of thing are you trying to connect to with bt? |
| 19:03.47 | greycat | I hear good things about chrony, but I have never tried it personally. I am never, ever going to use systemd-timesyncd and I don't care anything about it, so long as Debian doesn't make it the default or anything. |
| 19:04.13 | Vanfanel | chimera: thanks, but I have already tried the hidd command. It's not available anymore (deprecated) |
| 19:04.20 | RoyK | greycat: allergic to systemd or something? ;) |
| 19:04.30 | hsn | it is default |
| 19:04.43 | Vanfanel | RoyK: a BT gamepad (8bitdo) |
| 19:04.47 | greycat | hsn: I assure you, systemd-timesyncd is NOT enabled by default |
| 19:05.10 | hsn | it is on my system which i just installed right now. |
| 19:05.16 | dgp | systemd might as well just use kexec and take over everything at this point |
| 19:05.25 | hsn | i didnt seleced any tasks. |
| 19:05.26 | greycat | It's installed by default but it should not be RUNNING by default. |
| 19:05.32 | dgp | hsn: systemd might be but not everything it can do is turned on |
| 19:05.47 | RoyK | omg - another systemd vs * war? |
| 19:06.25 | greycat | takes a closer look |
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| 19:06.31 | dgp | RoyK: yes, busybox init is the only true init |
| 19:06.33 | greycat | There is a /lib/systemd/system/systemd-timesyncd.service.d/disable-with-time-daemon.conf fo;e/ |
| 19:06.36 | greycat | file. |
| 19:06.51 | RoyK | dgp: so I guess you're running slackware? |
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| 19:08.10 | greycat | This is actually a little concerning. It looks like systemd-timesyncd might actually decide to run if you don't install ntp. Maybe. I'm not entirely sure.... |
| 19:08.22 | dgp | RoyK: no, it's an obvious joke |
| 19:09.08 | mason | greycat: For more enjoyment and greater efficiency, consumption is being standardized. |
| 19:09.41 | greycat | I'm not gonna delete ntp to find out. |
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| 19:13.53 | jhutchins_wk | systemd is a moving target, and different releases are different snapshots of the progress. Documentation goes obsolete quickly. |
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| 19:14.47 | jhutchins_wk | Different distros also appear to implement some things differently. |
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| 19:16.13 | jhutchins_wk | RoyK: One of the discomforts is that it does seem to be systemd vs *. |
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| 19:16.27 | jhutchins_wk | All your tasks are belong to us. |
| 19:16.31 | hsn | can you turn off that thin console font and stick with bios default? |
| 19:17.00 | hsn | also how to turn off console screensaver |
| 19:17.16 | mason | hsn: man setupcon |
| 19:17.34 | greycat | I think it's man setterm for the saver bit |
| 19:17.38 | hsn | i do not have man installed |
| 19:17.54 | greycat | Install it. Or use the web. |
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| 19:19.15 | fpat | how could i find out why python-libturpial is in the package archive but not the actual program turpial? |
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| 19:19.43 | hsn | you need to run setterm on each console or once is enough |
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| 19:22.46 | hsn | only known problem is that poweroff does not turn off system. ends with blank screen cursor blinking top left |
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| 19:29.36 | jhutchins_wk | fpat: "lib" packages usually contain libraries, not program binaries. |
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| 19:31.47 | jhutchins_wk | ,v turpial |
| 19:31.48 | judd | Package: turpial on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 3.0+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.0+dfsg-1 |
| 19:32.30 | greycat | The dfsg in the jessie version string points toward licensing issues.... |
| 19:33.23 | jhutchins_wk | Looks like there hasn't been much work on it for a couple of years. Last "News" post is 2014, last commit to github 2017. |
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| 19:38.13 | greycat | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/turpial shows it was removed in 2015, and links to a post that says "Dead/inactive upstream" |
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| 19:50.04 | fpat | yeah, i am not dense like that. i know that the lib package contains libraries and not programs |
| 19:50.17 | fpat | i asked why the main program is not in the package archive |
| 19:50.30 | fpat | ah, thank you greycat |
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| 20:00.44 | altker128 | Hey guys. I did a clean install of Debian Stretch but didn't have ethernet cable plugged in so it didn't enable DHCP for my wired network. How do I fix it, so it behaves just as if the installer set it up? This is a systemd related issue |
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| 20:04.55 | greycat | altker128: figure out the interface name, and put "auto thatif" and "iface thatif inet dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:05.12 | greycat | (or allow-hotplug instead of auto if you want it to be all wobbly and laptoppy) |
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| 20:16.14 | alles-wird-gut | I have xfce4 /debian 9 two screens on radeon rx480 connected, one with hdmi (main screen) other with DVI (extended screen). Everytime I switch off one screen and after a couple minutes I switch on my config resets and it mirrows screens. And it display settings automatically, sometimes multiple times. Curious thing is, that there are 3 screens in screen settings are shown and activate HDMI-0, Acer (HDMI), and LG (DVI). |
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| 20:23.01 | hsn | so laptom computer do not hangs on poweroff, it just takes 4 minutes to shutdown. |
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| 20:29.48 | jhutchins_wk | alles-wird-gut: Are you using the ATI drivers and utilities, or nouveau? |
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| 20:33.39 | mason | jhutchins_wk: Nouveau for ATI? |
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| 20:35.52 | altker128 | greycat: I did that, but I notice on other machines where the installer handled the interface, I don't see anything like auto eth0 / iface eth0 inet dhcp (which is what I added) |
| 20:36.00 | altker128 | greycat: Do you know what the installer did? |
| 20:36.07 | jhutchins_wk | !radeon |
| 20:36.07 | dpkg | Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by AMD/ATI (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>, <radeon audio>. https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>. |
| 20:36.26 | greycat | If you installed a desktop environment on those other machines, then it might have set things up to use Network Manager instead of regular Debian /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:36.30 | jhutchins_wk | mason: Thanks, I always get those mixed up. |
| 20:36.43 | altker128 | greycat: OK, that makes sense! |
| 20:36.59 | altker128 | Aside: I'm glad we have so many ways to handle the same task... |
| 20:37.24 | jhutchins_wk | altker128: That's linux! |
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| 20:58.52 | hsn | i need higher version of python-attr package then current 16.3, is there some easy way to grab it from debian 10? |
| 20:59.05 | greycat | ,v python-attr |
| 20:59.06 | judd | Package: python-attr on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 16.3.0-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 16.3.0-1; buster: 17.4.0-2; sid: 17.4.0-2 |
| 20:59.13 | greycat | ,checkbackport python-attr |
| 20:59.14 | judd | Backporting package python-attr in sidâstretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: dh-python (>= 3.20180313~). |
| 20:59.23 | greycat | "not easily" |
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| 21:00.52 | annadane | interesting that it defaults to sid and not buster |
| 21:01.04 | StringLiteral | hello, my computer was turned off when run out of battery yet the sleep mode indicator was on. when I turned it on again it booted from zero. however, the login screen was not a new one, but the one from the last session, and when I logged in, it was my last session. how is this possible when the device booted anew? |
| 21:01.14 | hsn | i really dislike python. everything is so complicated. In java you just run mvn and it downloads all it needs. |
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| 21:02.30 | tacocat | maybe install it via pip? |
| 21:02.41 | hsn | it does not compile |
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| 21:05.34 | hsn | so i will need download source code for package and that debhelper stuff to make it and then ship it with application. |
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| 21:15.58 | alles-wird-gut | jhutchins: #lspci = VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Ellesmere [Radeon RX 470/480] (rev c7) |
| 21:16.47 | alles-wird-gut | jhutchins: where I can look which one is installed? I know, that I am try to instann ati driver |
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| 22:44.29 | michael2 | does anyone use bluetooth with debian stable? is it ready for end users? it seems to me to be a mostly broken unusable system? |
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| 23:21.23 | michael2 | does debian have any useful documentation about the sound sub-system? |
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| 23:23.33 | rhizome | michael2: IME, not really. what's going on? |
| 23:25.25 | michael2 | rhizome: my bluetooth stopped working, then my laptop's loudspeaker stopped working. and I don't know where to start the diagnosis/trouble shooting |
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| 23:31.47 | rhizome | michael2: sounds unrelated. check /var/log/messages for bluetooth info first, that's probably going to be the easiest first. |
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| 23:34.28 | michael2 | rhizome: no kernel messages for bluetooth when I restart bluetooth daemon. but Im getting this when I log the bluetooth daemon itself: |
| 23:34.59 | michael2 | Aug 07 11:06:59 laptop bluetoothd[17839]: Sap driver initialization failed. |
| 23:35.00 | michael2 | Aug 07 11:06:59 laptop bluetoothd[17839]: sap-server: Operation not permitted (1) |
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| 23:36.48 | michael2 | when I google those bluetooth error messages, I cant find any explanation |
| 23:38.45 | michael2 | also, I don't know which service would I log to get messages for the loudspeakers integrated audio controller? |
| 23:40.44 | rhizome | sudo service bluetooth status |
| 23:41.24 | rhizome | for sound you probably have alsa at least, and probably pulseaudio on top of that |
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| 23:46.17 | michael2 | rhizome: `sudo service bluetooth status' was the command which gave me those error messages I posted above. do you know how to log pulseaudio? would pulse audio daemon print messages related to my integrated audio card going down? |
| 23:46.45 | rhizome | you can just do `pulseaudio -k` and it will restart |
| 23:47.43 | michael2 | I just did that, now when I start pavucontrol . there are no sinks available at all? |
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| 23:48.46 | rhizome | try playing something, the sinks disappear when idle |
| 23:49.12 | rhizome | or check the devices tab just to see if it sees anything anywhere |
| 23:50.57 | michael2 | rhizome: yes, I did all that. I guess Im looking at a complete re-install of debian to fix |
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| 23:51.39 | rhizome | nah, shouldn't be necessary |
| 23:52.05 | rhizome | what are you using to play audio? try vlc, since there's output configuration there that you don't get in browsers. |
| 23:52.24 | rhizome | what does alsamix show? |
| 23:53.03 | michael2 | well, I guess it comes down to whats easier? complete re-install involving well known - if somewhat tedious steps. or some completely unfixable problem - which may take 5 minutes or make take 2 months to fix? |
| 23:53.38 | michael2 | rhizome: I tried playing video in firefox and in vlc |
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| 23:54.28 | michael2 | the only audio output option I have in vlc is "dummy device" |
| 23:55.04 | michael2 | oh, its actually "dummy output" |
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| 23:57.26 | rhizome | for "Output module?" |