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| 01:50.27 | HazardX | if I am cloneing a drive for backup/archive, do I need to copy anything past the last sector of the end of the last partition? |
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| 01:55.51 | klys | hazardx, only if you have a hidden partition lurking there. |
| 01:58.02 | HazardX | klys, I don't (or shouldn't) But I never know what windows has hiding in places |
| 01:59.00 | klys | yeah windows isn't using that, except there is a gpt partition table copy on efi systems at the end of the disk. |
| 01:59.51 | HazardX | could there be something like that if its an MBR disk? |
| 02:00.12 | klys | nope. |
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| 02:21.10 | _alx_ | how do I use sha256sum's tag flag? |
| 02:21.40 | _alx_ | and what is a BSD-style checksum? |
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| 02:26.16 | Tenacious-Techhu | jelly, this is nowhere near "xy problem" territory; it's a legitimate question with a legitimate answer. You either know it, or you don't. Do you know whether or not there is a way to chvt back into a Virtual Console you openvted into, when it doesn't have a number to pass as an argument to chvt? You either know, or don't know. Don't beat around the bush implying you are able to solve the problem when the problem has been prec |
| 02:26.36 | Tenacious-Techhu | Either answer it, or say you don't know. Then you can offer to help with other problems. |
| 02:27.04 | Tenacious-Techhu | Implying that more detail will help you provide an answer to the stated question is misleading when, in fact, you can't. |
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| 02:33.33 | Javabean | Tenacious-Techhu: <jelly> Tenacious-Techhu, sorry. If there's an easier way to solve user's actual issue as stated I usually won't bother helping the way they envision a issue should be dealt with. This veers close to "xyproblem" teritory. Good luck. |
| 02:33.57 | Tenacious-Techhu | Javabean, yes, in response to that. |
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| 02:34.17 | Tenacious-Techhu | If a user has a question, answering questions they didn't ask doesn't help anything. |
| 02:34.55 | Tenacious-Techhu | If you don't know the answer, but want to help anyway, make that clear; that way, they can either turn you down for being off-topic, or consider what else they might need help with. |
| 02:36.40 | Tenacious-Techhu | Generally, I would have turned down changing the subject; I don't ask questions I don't care about the answers to; however, I would have been willing to explore the issue of what else needs to be considered when cleansing a Debian system of its default users, if he had made clear that he wasn't capable of answering the original question. |
| 02:37.15 | Tenacious-Techhu | Instead, by beating around the bush, he made me have to drag an answer out of him, even if it was an answer he wasn't willing to admit. |
| 02:38.23 | Tenacious-Techhu | I swear, it pisses me off to no end when people chalk a simple answerable question up to an "xy problem", when the question genuinely has a correct answer, even if it isn't widely known. |
| 02:38.34 | Tenacious-Techhu | Some people just ask esoteric questions! Learn to deal! |
| 02:38.34 | _alx_ | Tenacious-Techhu: Dude, chill out. It sounds like you're on a witch hunt |
| 02:38.37 | bites | can you rant somewhere else? nobody wants to read that wall of text. |
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| 02:39.47 | Tenacious-Techhu | _alx_, when it comes to people assuming I have an "xy problem", those people should stop wearing pointy hats, cackling, riding broom sticks, and see a damn beautician about their sickly palor. |
| 02:40.42 | Tenacious-Techhu | I have a "yx problem"; O |
| 02:40.50 | Javabean | Tenacious-Techhu: watch you language please, this is a publicly logged channel. |
| 02:41.23 | Tenacious-Techhu | I want to know y, and people cannot generally comprehend why I want to know y, so they assume I really want to know x, when I have no interest in x at all. |
| 02:42.04 | Tenacious-Techhu | Nevertheless, so long as y is a correctly formed question with a factual answer, it's perfectly reasonable for me to ask, so long as I genuinely want to know. |
| 02:42.12 | Tenacious-Techhu | I don't see what people don't get about that. |
| 02:42.44 | _alx_ | But you got your answer, why keep going on? |
| 02:42.55 | Tenacious-Techhu | No, I didn't. |
| 02:43.05 | Tenacious-Techhu | I was asking about openvt and chvt. |
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| 02:43.34 | Tenacious-Techhu | And whether or not there is a way to pass a non-numeral to chvt when openvt gives you a Virtual Console without a number. |
| 02:44.40 | Javabean | Tenacious-Techhu: do not pm other users in this channel |
| 02:45.34 | Tenacious-Techhu | I deemed the matter of what exactly about my language needed watching as off-topic for the channel. How is it not appropriate to then ask exactly what needs correcting in a pm? |
| 02:46.13 | _alx_ | I personally know very little about tty, but it seems logical that you should be able to do it? I don't know much about openvt and chvt though⦠|
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| 02:48.31 | Tenacious-Techhu | _alx_, here's what I find is happening; very frequently, when I use openvt, rather than getting "tty1", or "tty" and some number, I get *just* "tty"; chvt appears to require a number as an argument, which implies that, when openvt gives you a tty without a number, you have no way to chvt back to it. I'm here examining the possibility that chvt's documentation is merely poor, and that there is in fact some workaround... but the |
| 02:48.34 | Tenacious-Techhu | And I |
| 02:48.37 | Tenacious-Techhu | Bah. |
| 02:48.41 | Javabean | Tenacious-Techhu: see "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
| 02:48.45 | Tenacious-Techhu | And I'd prefer to know one way or another. |
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| 02:49.33 | _alx_ | but when you use openvt, you can specify a number instead of having it pick the first available |
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| 02:50.14 | Tenacious-Techhu | _alx_, yes, you can, but then you risk that vt already being busy; by calling openvt without a number, you guarantee one that isn't busy. |
| 02:50.47 | _alx_ | ⦠create a zombie one to use tty ? lol or use -f |
| 02:50.58 | Tenacious-Techhu | Testing whether a vt is busy would add all sorts of error checking to a script that otherwise wouldn't need to be there. |
| 02:51.10 | Tenacious-Techhu | _alx_, -f? |
| 02:51.27 | Tenacious-Techhu | Oh, force it. |
| 02:51.34 | _alx_ | -f forces open one, regarless of it being in use |
| 02:51.34 | _alx_ | yeah |
| 02:51.41 | Tenacious-Techhu | Yeah, that might ruin whatever was keeping that Virtual Console busy. |
| 02:51.45 | Tenacious-Techhu | I'm inclined not to do that. |
| 02:52.11 | Tenacious-Techhu | There are definitely circumstances in which that would be acceptable, but I'm not inclined to assume this is one of those circumstances. |
| 02:52.14 | _alx_ | yeah, that part was a joke. But what about making 2 one after the other instead. one to take care of tty? |
| 02:53.15 | Tenacious-Techhu | I'd have to test which one was a numbered tty, and that would mean passing something from a child shell to a parent shell, wouldn't it? |
| 02:54.26 | _alx_ | hmm not sure, i'm really at my limit of knowledge in this subject man. I never went to school for this sorta thing lol |
| 02:54.37 | Tenacious-Techhu | Yeah, me neither. |
| 02:54.44 | Tenacious-Techhu | I tend to exhaust google before coming here. |
| 02:55.48 | Tenacious-Techhu | I tend to be pretty damn good at researching things, so I only come in places like this if there's something I legitimately do not understand (rare), or something I cannot find useful information on (more frequent). And if the internet doesn't have it, odds are bad that people here know anything about it. |
| 02:56.10 | Tenacious-Techhu | Which makes people being dishonest about whether or not they have an answer to my *stated* question really annoying. |
| 02:56.46 | Tenacious-Techhu | If I had to guess, it's a legitimate flaw with chvt; but I don't like guessing, and it seems like a really weird flaw for chvt to have. |
| 02:56.47 | _alx_ | not true, i've had good results with irc in the past. It really depends if the right person is online |
| 02:57.07 | Tenacious-Techhu | _alx_, getting the right person is certainly a challenge. |
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| 02:58.00 | Tenacious-Techhu | But getting a bunch of people dancing around the fact that they don't know the answer, and assume you have some other unrelated problem that you need to solve doesn't help. |
| 02:58.12 | Tenacious-Techhu | I seriously want to strangle the guy who came up with that "xy problem" crap. |
| 02:59.42 | Tenacious-Techhu | Too often, it's used as an excuse for people to avoid admitting that they just don't know the answer to your question, and allow them to insist they have an answer for you, if only you provided yet another completely unrelated factoid behind why you want to know the answer in the first place. |
| 03:00.11 | Tenacious-Techhu | Information has value on its own; it doesn't have to solve a problem today to be useful. |
| 03:00.37 | Tenacious-Techhu | And so long as it's something factual about Debian, I shouldn't be having any problems getting honesty in here. |
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| 03:02.28 | _alx_ | I get it man, but you're spending a lot of time on being angry about it. I don't have the time or the heart to be angry at anyone. Too many problems to solve and too little time i'm afraid. |
| 03:02.39 | Tenacious-Techhu | Javabean, I may be mistaken, but I think that rule is specifically about package notifications, and not about in general communication. |
| 03:03.25 | Tenacious-Techhu | _alx_, I've said my piece. Still need an answer to my question. Obviously, I'm going to have to wait until there are more people online. |
| 03:05.08 | _alx_ | Tenacious-Techhu: I'm just reading online about chvt⦠if you have not created /dev/ttyN, it will be created when you use it. |
| 03:05.20 | _alx_ | Do you really need both? |
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| 03:06.20 | Tenacious-Techhu | _alx_, in this case, yes, if only because you can't specify a command to chvt, like: "openvt -s -- bash -c " and whatever. |
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| 03:12.23 | Tenacious-Techhu | _alx_, also, openvt by default opens an unused Virtual Console; chvt doesn't care whether that console is busy, it just shows it to you. It doesn't offer any opportunity for scripted interaction. |
| 03:12.29 | Tenacious-Techhu | At least, not on its own. |
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| 03:41.17 | _alx_ | One of my vms has been hacked. Anyone good at reversing malware want to take a look at the binary? |
| 03:42.19 | Tenacious-Techhu | I hope that wasn't somehow my fault. |
| 03:42.26 | Tenacious-Techhu | Shit, man. |
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| 03:42.55 | _alx_ | lol naw. it's ok. I'm not good at the reversing bit, i'm taking a snapshot and nuking it. it's the only one affected. |
| 03:43.25 | Tenacious-Techhu | Maybe it's revenge from some other user here on account of you bothering to try to help me. :P |
| 03:43.28 | Tenacious-Techhu | As if. |
| 03:44.15 | _alx_ | lmao! well, whoever did it was careless anyway. But i doubt that, because I think it's a cryptomining thing |
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| 03:47.03 | likcoras | I'm using logrotate to rotate some logs stored in Logs/*/*/*.log, and I'd like them to be renamed as Logs/*/*/original-yyyy-mm-dd.log. Will this make logrotate re-notice those files and try to rotate the old files? |
| 03:48.16 | Tenacious-Techhu | I know nothing of rotating logs, but it strikes me that a piece of software called "lumberjack" would be ideal, on account of their log-rolling contests. |
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| 03:51.25 | likcoras | ?? |
| 03:53.00 | likcoras | Upon re-reading the logrotate manpage, it seems I need to use olddir. I guess I'll use this for now, but I wish there is a better way to do this... |
| 03:55.17 | Tenacious-Techhu | Log rolling: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLVN_HY3Jfk |
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| 04:20.30 | pantato | sooo when is the vlc build gonna be updated? it's been broken on every install i've done recently |
| 04:20.35 | pantato | with stretch |
| 04:20.38 | pantato | seems fixed on sid |
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| 04:25.34 | likcoras | pantato: stable usually doesn't get updates unless it's for important bugfixes or security updates. Have you reported the bug? |
| 04:26.50 | pantato | likcoras: it's a known issue |
| 04:27.07 | pantato | i am the only one who seems to have found a workaround that i know of, though |
| 04:27.54 | pantato | if i launch vlc with my desktop at 1080p , i get this https://paste.debian.net/1037103/ error. I get sound from the video and no gui or video. If i switch to 4k resolution, launch vlc, it works. Then i can switch back to 1080p to watch how I want...but I have to do it every single time. |
| 04:28.06 | likcoras | Welp. Then the maintainer will get around to it eventually, I think. |
| 04:28.40 | pantato | is there a way i can use apt to downgrade it without breaking my package manager (which always seems too easy)? |
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| 04:30.12 | likcoras | Hm, probably from downloading from the archives and installing the .deb manually? Probably not recommended, though. Also, haven't ever done it, so can't really say much about it. |
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| 04:36.43 | cfoch | hello |
| 04:36.59 | cfoch | is Xen supported for Debian 9.5.0? |
| 04:37.55 | cfoch | according https://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Dom0_Kernels_for_Xen the last version supported is Debian 7, but maybe this page isn't up-to-date |
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| 05:25.20 | Psi-Jack | With an export of `dpkg --get-selection` to a file, what would be the way to reinstall from that list of packages? |
| 05:26.01 | Psi-Jack | dpkg --set-selections sounds kind of like it would replace the existing packages (if they differ from what's installed), but I could be wrong. |
| 05:26.01 | dpkg | Psi-Jack: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 05:30.04 | _alx_ | is there a bash way that would make my life easier? I need all folders (recursively) to change there permissions to 755, and all files in those same directories to have 644. |
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| 05:44.23 | wgas | I dont know about GNOME Disks but Etcher uses dd and worked ok for me on last 3 installs (1x Jessie and 2x Stretch) |
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| 05:59.01 | siraben | wgas: +1 Etcher is a good tool. |
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| 06:51.42 | Necrony | Hello, i'm using Debian testing buster 4.16.0-2-amd64 XFCE, trying to install some software from PlayOnLinux, but they always crash during installation with "Error in POL_Wine". Any suggestion what I need to do? |
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| 06:59.27 | wgas | i think here is mainly for Stretch try - testing, unstable: #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net |
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| 07:03.09 | Necrony | oke thanks |
| 07:03.23 | Necrony | i think i need 386 architecture |
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| 07:12.10 | Necrony | The problem was in my mixed stretch+testing system, need to downgrade .. |
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| 07:29.14 | Fox | Necrony: need to reinstall... |
| 07:31.28 | Necrony | haha neva |
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| 07:48.12 | TaylorHere | Hi,Guys, I got a issues here, my /etc/suders broken, and there is no password for root, is there any solution? |
| 07:49.38 | klys | taylorhere, is your bootloader grub? |
| 07:49.42 | fpat | TaylorHere: i would boot a livecd/usbdrive and correct the sudoer file and/or set a password for root (of course, after chrooting to your system) |
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| 07:50.51 | TaylorHere | no permission to do that operation. |
| 07:51.40 | klys | taylorhere, do you have a boot menu where you can select debian? |
| 07:51.59 | TaylorHere | no. |
| 07:52.11 | TaylorHere | it is a aws ec2 |
| 07:53.12 | klys | taylorhere, what is your boot media? |
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| 07:54.08 | klys | if it's all online, you need boot help from your provider. |
| 07:55.44 | TaylorHere | SSD |
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| 07:57.37 | ayekat | don't they provide VNC access or any other means to boot an alternative medium on a machine? |
| 07:57.49 | ayekat | has never used aws ec2 |
| 07:58.54 | TaylorHere | I just terminate it. and create a new one |
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| 08:00.17 | jelly | dpkg, tell Necrony about multiarch |
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| 08:03.06 | TaylorHere | thx anyway. |
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| 09:29.08 | Li | maybe I'm crazy so please don't ask me why > I want to fully install dvd2.iso dvd3.iso files as soon as finishing installation of debiandvd1.iso |
| 09:29.53 | Li | I want to complete/full packages installed at once .. can anyone give hint on how to do it? I found a link on apt-cdrom but it's not cleare |
| 09:29.56 | Li | clear* |
| 09:30.37 | jelly | what is stopping you? |
| 09:30.59 | Li | I don't know how to |
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| 09:42.06 | jelly | Li: okay, do you know how to mount .iso images? How to make /etc/fstab entries for those? |
| 09:43.06 | jelly | debian does not guarantee all the packages are coinstallable. Some packages conflict with others, so you can't just "install everything" in general |
| 09:43.30 | jelly | eg. you can only have one smtp server at a time |
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| 09:47.50 | Fox | and beeing crazy isn't a good enough reason to not ask why :) |
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| 09:49.16 | jelly | !goal |
| 09:49.17 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
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| 10:25.25 | Li | jelly: Yes, I know how to mount them.. it's ok with only one package from the conflicting ones. the question is still what do next aftering mounting isos? |
| 10:25.47 | Li | how to install all (possible) packages |
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| 10:30.10 | Haohmaru | run synaptic, select the section that is "not installed" or however it was called, ctrl+a, enter ... "everything" \o/ |
| 10:31.48 | jelly | or aptitude UI |
| 10:32.06 | Haohmaru | oh, is that an equivalent of synaptic? |
| 10:32.20 | jelly | or generate a list of all available packages and mark them for installation |
| 10:32.45 | jelly | aptitude has a curses-based UI somewhat reminiscent of old dselect |
| 10:32.57 | Haohmaru | aww, TUI |
| 10:33.11 | Haohmaru | it's still an "UI" tho |
| 10:33.21 | jelly | well CLI is also an UI |
| 10:33.28 | Haohmaru | x_x |
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| 10:34.27 | Haohmaru | i'd call it a HI.. h4x0r interface |
| 10:34.59 | Haohmaru | especially with some programs it can become a nightmare quite quickly |
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| 10:41.11 | Fox | to me UIs are the nightmare |
| 10:41.25 | Fox | looks at his windowmaker |
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| 12:00.25 | brokencycle | Hi! Does anyone know what the default version of openjdk will be in Buster? |
| 12:00.57 | fpat | ,v openjdk |
| 12:00.58 | judd | No package named 'openjdk' was found in amd64. |
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| 12:01.23 | fpat | brokencycle: have a look at https://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 12:02.08 | jelly | ,depends default-jre --release buster |
| 12:02.09 | judd | Package default-jre in buster/amd64 -- depends: default-jre-headless (= 2:1.10-67), openjdk-10-jre. |
| 12:02.10 | graingert | is there a debian alternative to https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/ubuntu-core-libs ? |
| 12:02.28 | jelly | brokencycle, dunno about "will be" but it's 10 right now |
| 12:03.36 | jelly | graingert, what do those do? |
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| 12:03.57 | graingert | jelly: it's like a bunch of handy shell bins |
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| 12:04.06 | graingert | like less and gpg |
| 12:04.27 | jelly | about half of those are mandatory. Perhaps you can take a look at standard task |
| 12:04.34 | jelly | !standard |
| 12:04.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>. |
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| 12:11.13 | themill | openjdk-11 for buster looks likely |
| 12:12.32 | graingert | jelly: ah I'm using docker debian:9 |
| 12:12.39 | graingert | jelly: and I'm missing `less` |
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| 12:18.49 | foxtrotas004 | hello, i have a strange problem on one of my servers , i am trying to configure squid proxy server, but the strange thing is i can ping my server, i can ssh into it, but when squid is not working though port 3128 is OPEN , but when i try to telnet <ipaddress> 3128 i get no route to host found which is very strange considering, also when i try to telnet <ipaddres> 22 i can establish a connection no problem |
| 12:18.54 | foxtrotas004 | has anyone had something like that? |
| 12:19.30 | foxtrotas004 | at first it looks like a firewall problem to me |
| 12:19.40 | foxtrotas004 | so i check my iptables, i have my port open |
| 12:19.50 | foxtrotas004 | i think i am tapped out on this |
| 12:20.04 | foxtrotas004 | service is running i can telnet localhost 3128 successfully though |
| 12:21.42 | fpat | in the first block of text you said telnet to 3128 leads to an error |
| 12:22.45 | p0lyph3m | fpat: <ipaddress> vs. localhost |
| 12:23.30 | fpat | my fault, thanks |
| 12:23.37 | p0lyph3m | foxtrotas004: squid.conf bind interface / acl ? maybe ?! |
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| 12:28.37 | foxtrotas004 | p0lyph3m, but that doesnt explain why telnet localhost 3128 establish okay, also squid.conf seems fine, acl is correct |
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| 12:29.39 | p0lyph3m | foxtrotas004: if you bind only to lo and not to wan , telnet localhost works telnet ip wont , right ? |
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| 12:31.00 | foxtrotas004 | p0lyph3m, what do you mean bind? i have acl whole subnet /24 enabled |
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| 12:33.15 | p0lyph3m | foxtrotas004: is squid listening on not only loopback ? check netstat -l |
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| 12:33.59 | foxtrotas004 | tcp6 0 0 [::]:squid [::]:* LISTEN |
| 12:34.13 | foxtrotas004 | netstat -l | grep squid |
| 12:34.14 | foxtrotas004 | output |
| 12:34.28 | p0lyph3m | ok |
| 12:35.27 | foxtrotas004 | i tried connecting to port 3128 through telnet using ip address i tried remotely |
| 12:35.37 | foxtrotas004 | and i worked |
| 12:35.41 | brokencycle | jelly: thank you! |
| 12:35.50 | foxtrotas004 | i started to think it might be firewall problem |
| 12:35.56 | foxtrotas004 | :( |
| 12:35.57 | jelly | ,i less |
| 12:35.58 | judd | Package less (text, standard) in stretch/amd64: pager program similar to more. Version: 481-2.1; Size: 123.5k; Installed: 277k; Homepage: http://www.greenwoodsoftware.com/less/ |
| 12:37.08 | p0lyph3m | so you can connect to squid remotly and localy ? what is it that doesnt work ? |
| 12:37.19 | foxtrotas004 | no i cant connect to squid remotely |
| 12:37.24 | foxtrotas004 | but i tried ip address localy |
| 12:37.28 | foxtrotas004 | and it worked |
| 12:37.32 | foxtrotas004 | i mean not localhost |
| 12:37.40 | foxtrotas004 | so it had to go through my nic |
| 12:37.55 | foxtrotas004 | and error is so strange |
| 12:37.58 | foxtrotas004 | it says no route found |
| 12:38.13 | foxtrotas004 | no route to host |
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| 12:39.01 | p0lyph3m | so you can ssh to your remote server , but using squid gives "no route to host" |
| 12:39.03 | p0lyph3m | ? |
| 12:40.31 | foxtrotas004 | yes |
| 12:40.34 | foxtrotas004 | and i can ping also |
| 12:40.42 | foxtrotas004 | now i fired up wireshark |
| 12:40.43 | mason | "No route to host" can mean "there's not a port listener." |
| 12:41.02 | foxtrotas004 | it sends tcp syn and gets back icmp destination unreachable |
| 12:41.14 | foxtrotas004 | i dont understand |
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| 12:41.39 | mason | foxtrotas004: Check firewalling, verify port listeners on the right interfaces, etc. |
| 12:41.54 | foxtrotas004 | i am thinking firewall too now |
| 12:41.55 | mason | foxtrotas004: I've not read all of scrollback, but it's going to be something straightforward. |
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| 12:42.09 | jelly | foxtrotas004, sends tcp to which ip address specifically? Can you see that traffic on the server side? |
| 12:42.23 | foxtrotas004 | will check |
| 12:42.37 | mason | Alright, you checked the basic already, so year, look at whatever's sitting in the path. |
| 12:42.41 | jelly | tcpdump -ni eth0 port 3128 |
| 12:42.42 | mason | s/basic/&s/ |
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| 12:45.11 | foxtrotas004 | yes tcpdump shows when i try telnet ipaddress 3128 a packet |
| 12:45.12 | foxtrotas004 | 15:44:49.648036 IP 192.168.100.32.55248 > 192.168.100.115.squid: Flags [S], seq 1260678723, win 29200, options [mss 1460,sackOK,TS val 3441927 ecr 0,nop,wscale 7], length 0 |
| 12:45.25 | foxtrotas004 | but only 1 |
| 12:45.31 | foxtrotas004 | i am not very advanced yet |
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| 12:45.54 | foxtrotas004 | not much experience but this shows that packet reaches my server |
| 12:45.59 | foxtrotas004 | isnt that right? |
| 12:46.06 | mason | foxtrotas004: [S] is SYN, so that would be the first and you'd want to see something come back, |
| 12:46.52 | foxtrotas004 | but i dont see nothing coming back |
| 12:46.59 | foxtrotas004 | and on my client i have wireshark running |
| 12:47.18 | foxtrotas004 | it shows ICMP Destination unreachable (host administratively prohibited) |
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| 12:47.38 | mason | foxtrotas004: Are you running wireshark on the server, where port listener 3128 lives? |
| 12:48.18 | mason | it's useful to see packet captures from multiple points, especially the endpoints |
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| 12:50.34 | jelly | foxtrotas004, sorry, it's possible "port 3128" hides the icmp response |
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| 12:53.13 | foxtrotas004 | mason, on server i run tcpdump, on my client i run wireshark |
| 12:53.22 | mason | that's fine |
| 12:53.41 | mason | bbiab, meeting coming up |
| 12:53.59 | jelly | foxtrotas004, so does "telnet 192.168.100.115 3128" work on the server itself? |
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| 12:54.10 | foxtrotas004 | jelly, yes |
| 12:54.24 | jelly | foxtrotas004, and "iptables-save" output looks like what? |
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| 12:54.56 | jelly | !paste |
| 12:54.57 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 12:57.10 | foxtrotas004 | jelly, https://pastebin.com/1pXVqDD6 |
| 12:57.23 | foxtrotas004 | i forgot to mention that this particular machine is centos 7 though |
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| 12:58.59 | jelly | foxtrotas004, you're asking in the wrong place then, but rules in lines 141 and 142 will need to switch places at the very least |
| 12:59.39 | jelly | so yeah, local firewall |
| 12:59.40 | jelly | !next |
| 12:59.41 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 13:02.52 | rmrfchik | java apps running opnejdk-11 in Debian looks ugly comparing to openjdk-8; all solutions points to ubuntu's ppa. |
| 13:03.00 | rmrfchik | any ideas how to fix java fonts in debian? |
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| 13:04.58 | rmrfchik | here is demo running in both jdk https://imgur.com/a/jtCqj95 |
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| 13:09.38 | jelly | ,v openjdk-11-jdk |
| 13:09.39 | judd | Package: openjdk-11-jdk on amd64 -- buster: 11~17-2; sid: 11~21-1 |
| 13:09.54 | jelly | rmrfchik, maybe use debian's packaging instead of a random ppa? |
| 13:10.12 | rmrfchik | jelly, i don't use random ppa |
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| 13:10.44 | rmrfchik | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:10.44 | rmrfchik | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:11.28 | jelly | interesting that only the bold font is problematic |
| 13:11.48 | jelly | did you check the bts |
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| 13:13.16 | foxtrotas004 | jelly, i solved it, i can tell what it was if that is ok |
| 13:13.30 | rmrfchik | No reports found |
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| 13:14.08 | jelly | well you're on testing, it's bug reporting time. Perhaps someone in testing/unstable channel has seen the same issue. |
| 13:14.11 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 13:14.11 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 13:14.37 | jelly | dpkg, debian-next =~ s/Freenode/freenode/ |
| 13:14.38 | dpkg | jelly: OK |
| 13:14.41 | foxtrotas004 | jelly, you were right about line 141 though |
| 13:14.57 | rmrfchik | ok, will file bug |
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| 13:17.57 | jelly | also interesting that judd only knows about builds older than that |
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| 13:24.31 | rmrfchik | jelly, broken cron? ;) |
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| 13:25.55 | jelly | or broken mirror, not sure |
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| 14:28.56 | RzR | hi, is there a way to force installation of package which depends on older package of a version already installed, I know apt install package subcomponent=$version , but without telling the version |
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| 14:48.18 | jelly | RzR, using pinning to force downgrade would probably be even worse than an explicit version |
| 14:49.18 | jelly | RzR, also, aptitude can sometimes be smarter than apt |
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| 14:57.06 | tsglove | jelly, really? Wow... I always thought apt was an alias to aptitude. TIL |
| 14:57.31 | greycat | apt-get, apt, aptitude, and synaptic are all different programs |
| 14:57.45 | greycat | apt-get and apt are *similar* (more than any other pair) |
| 14:57.51 | tsglove | Huh! I'm off to read some man pages then! |
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| 15:27.20 | Zgrokl | Hello, on the default debian installation, when i unpower a pc, journalctl reset his log, why ? Is there a way to avoid that ? |
| 15:28.25 | jim | Zgrokl, it's better to let a debian shut down properly than to just remove power |
| 15:29.14 | Zgrokl | jim, well, that was a test, but if there is a problem, how can i investigate the kind of problem ? |
| 15:29.50 | Zgrokl | like power problem |
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| 15:30.37 | jim | oic so you were simulating a power loss to test what happens when a power loss occurs? |
| 15:31.05 | jim | look in /var/log |
| 15:31.21 | petn-randall | Zgrokl: journald by default does not have a persistent log. You need to enable that if you want it. |
| 15:31.36 | jim | (which you can't get into as a plain user) |
| 15:31.47 | petn-randall | Zgrokl: /var/log/* keeps the persistent logs by default via rsyslog. |
| 15:32.08 | petn-randall | Zgrokl: You can have both, but it's a good idea to turn rsyslog off if you use journald. |
| 15:32.10 | Zgrokl | so in debian default installation there journalctl + rsyslog ? Ok interesting setu |
| 15:32.19 | Zgrokl | yeah i usually stop rsyslog |
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| 15:34.17 | Zgrokl | jim, well this was not intetional, but now i want to diagnose a box |
| 15:34.28 | greycat | Diagnose what? |
| 15:34.32 | davis | hello, I have tried many times to stop the auto resizing of windows in gnome. Is it possible to disable the window resizing. |
| 15:34.43 | Zgrokl | greycat, why a pc stoped working |
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| 15:35.54 | greycat | If you mean "why it powered off", usually it's hardware. And software's logs are not much use. |
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| 15:38.32 | Zgrokl | yeah can be |
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| 15:54.54 | rant | temp/fan sensors can be a cause of a machine turning off abruptly |
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| 16:04.55 | fpat | oh yes, and i wonder why i cant find a way to give root some time to shutdown some programs |
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| 16:18.23 | devios | "dd if=/dev/md1 | gzip -c | ssh user@dest-server dd of=/home/user/ddimagemd1.gz" <- I did this to try to preserve a partition on remote server. Then on the destination server, i did "gunzip ddimagemd1.gz", then "mount -t ext4 -o loop,ro ./ddimagemd1 ./ddimagemount", and i'm getting "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, (Etc....)". Any idea why I can't mount the image, or anything else i might be doing wrong |
| 16:18.24 | devios | that's preventing this from working? |
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| 16:20.29 | greycat | maybe it wasn't an ext4 partition to begin with |
| 16:21.10 | devios | greycat: /dev/md1 on / type ext4 (rw,errors=remount-ro) <- that means it was ext4, right? |
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| 16:22.33 | tradar | have you taken the image while the partition was mounted? |
| 16:23.24 | devios | tradar: yes |
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| 16:25.31 | tradar | i ain't sure it is a good idea... Try fsck.ext4 ./ddimagemd1 |
| 16:26.39 | greycat | it definitely wasn't a good idea to copy raw bytes from a mounted partition |
| 16:26.41 | uoods | anyone know if there's any issue holding up gimp 2.10 from moving from unstable to testing and stable? I'm not sure there's anything related in the bug reports |
| 16:26.53 | greycat | (mounted read-write, that is -- read-only would have been OK) |
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| 16:27.04 | greycat | Things don't "move to stable". |
| 16:27.25 | greycat | Stable means unchanging. |
| 16:28.38 | jhutchins_wk | devios: It looks like you imaged a device rather than a partition. If that's the case, you'll have to find the offset to mount the partition within the drive image. |
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| 16:29.04 | greycat | Well, it's the thing that was mounted on / according to the line of output he pasted. |
| 16:29.34 | greycat | So it shouldn't have an internal disklabel or partitioning. |
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| 16:30.48 | devios | sorry tradar and greycat i got disconnected right after telling tradar the partition was mounted at time of capture - was a remote server and having a hard time getting colo to reboot it into recovery mode in a way that I can remotely access it for the capture. |
| 16:31.39 | jhutchins_wk | Ah, yes, the fstab line. |
| 16:31.49 | greycat | mount output |
| 16:32.07 | devios | ya i pasted a line from output of the mount cmd. |
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| 16:47.11 | devios | md1 is a raid1 of sda5 and sdb5. I wonder if I could (on the live system) somehow temporarily remove either sda5 or sdb5 from the md1 raid1, then dd image the removed one the same way I was trying to image md1. "dd if=/dev/sdb5 | gzip -c | ssh user@dest-server dd of=/home/user/ddimagesdb5.gz" - is this possible? do you think it would work? |
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| 16:47.55 | GNU\colossus | devios, that would work. but why do you want to split/destroy your array (for a while)? |
| 16:48.08 | greycat | you'd still be getting corrupted file system bits |
| 16:48.09 | GNU\colossus | (sorry, I don't have your prior messages in my scrollback) |
| 16:48.25 | GNU\colossus | ah, so the data on the mirrors is no good? |
| 16:48.38 | greycat | He copied /dev/md1 (mounted as / presumably rw) to another box and loopback mount failed and we don't know if he tried fsck on it yet. |
| 16:49.06 | choice | Hello! I'm trying to backup my Android phone to my Debian laptop. When I plug it in, I can access the files in a folder mtp://[usb:...] via the desktop. But how can I reach the files from the command line? |
| 16:51.03 | Brigo | choice, you need mtp command line tool |
| 16:51.43 | Brigo | choice, package mtp-tools |
| 16:52.52 | devios | greycat: i think i was disconnected from freenode when you guys recommended fsck |
| 16:53.00 | choice | Brigo: You mean it's not mounted yet? Why can the desktop file manager access the files? |
| 16:54.27 | Brigo | choice, i think mtp protocol does not mount filesystems. I think the file manager is using some tool too. Maybe you can mount it with fuse ... |
| 16:54.45 | devios | greycat: "losetup /dev/loop0 ./TEST" and "fsck /dev/loop0"? |
| 16:54.46 | Brigo | choice, you can check the mounted filesystem with the mount command |
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| 16:55.40 | Brigo | choice, yes, you of course can: go-mtpfs, jmtpfs ... |
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| 16:56.06 | greycat | 12:23 devios> tradar: yes |
| 16:56.08 | greycat | 12:25 tradar> i ain't sure it is a good idea... Try fsck.ext4 ./ddimagemd1 |
| 16:56.21 | choice | Brigo: mount does not show the phone |
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| 16:56.35 | choice | Brigo: I wonder how the desktop filemanager accesses them |
| 16:57.21 | Brigo | choice, gvfs-backends or somethin like that. |
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| 16:59.24 | choice | Brigo: That's some magic only available to the desktop file browser but not to the command line? |
| 17:00.26 | Brigo | choice, i don't really know how it works, but i guess it uses the same libraries that mtp-tools uses. |
| 17:00.27 | devios | greycat tradar oops i had already started "losetup /dev/loop0 ./TEST" and "fsck /dev/loop0" and got a bunch of "group descriptor # checksum is invalid. FIXED" and so far have done several "deleted inode # has zero dtime. Fix<y>? yes". When this finishes (could be a while) i can re-gunzip and do the "fsck.ext4 ./ddimagemd1". might take a good long while before I get there. thx for the help both/all. |
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| 17:02.20 | choice | Brigo: Hmm.. ok. |
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| 17:50.05 | altker128 | Hey guys. Anyone here running a FreeIPA server on Debian? |
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| 18:09.40 | SerajewelKS | ok i have a server that is driving me nuts with really strange boot issues |
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| 18:10.10 | SerajewelKS | when a new kernel is installed, dpkg runs update-grub. fine, great. the config looks fine. |
| 18:10.18 | SerajewelKS | but grub drops to a rescue shell without giving me any error |
| 18:10.32 | SerajewelKS | if i then boot into the install CD in rescue mode and run update-grub and reboot, grub gives me a menu |
| 18:10.48 | SerajewelKS | i captured the two grub.cfgs and compared them and they are identical |
| 18:10.54 | SerajewelKS | so that's weird issue #1 that i can't explain |
| 18:11.14 | SerajewelKS | weird issue #2 is that every kernel update, i get "invalid magic" from grub until i reinstall the updated kernel package |
| 18:11.19 | Brigo | SerajewelKS, the grub versions are the same? |
| 18:11.28 | SerajewelKS | the only thing that changed is the kernel |
| 18:11.37 | SerajewelKS | and, i can't stress this enough, the two grub configurations are identical |
| 18:11.48 | SerajewelKS | for some context, / is in an LVM in a RAID1 |
| 18:11.54 | Brigo | SerajewelKS, not the config, the program version. |
| 18:12.07 | SerajewelKS | 18:11 < SerajewelKS> the only thing that changed is the kernel |
| 18:12.18 | SerajewelKS | this happens every kernel update |
| 18:12.51 | SerajewelKS | i have a "bios boot" partition on all drives |
| 18:13.23 | SerajewelKS | i just can't figure out how regenerating an identical config causes the system to be able to boot, unless it's something aside from the file content. such as which disk block the config winds up stored in. |
| 18:14.26 | Brigo | have you checked the config files with diff ? |
| 18:14.34 | SerajewelKS | yes, that's how i know they're identical |
| 18:14.44 | SerajewelKS | they sha1sum the same, too |
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| 18:15.23 | Brigo | if grub version is the same maybe some libreary? |
| 18:16.00 | SerajewelKS | no. literally the only upgraded package was the kernel. |
| 18:16.12 | SerajewelKS | and that wouldn't explain how, between two bit-for-bit identical config, only one works. |
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| 18:21.23 | SerajewelKS | and on top of it all, the error messages from grub flash on the screen for a fraction of a second, so i don't even know what the problem is. |
| 18:23.05 | SerajewelKS | it *seems* like grub is able to load stage2 but for some reason can't load the config |
| 18:24.23 | jhutchins_wk | SerajewelKS: Is grub maybe writing something to the logs? |
| 18:24.59 | greycat | there are no writable log files at the time grub is being executed as a boot loader |
| 18:25.45 | jhutchins_wk | SerajewelKS: Is grub using device names or UUIDs? |
| 18:25.48 | SerajewelKS | the puzzle i can't figure out is why regenerating the config file when the produced file is identical to the "bad" one somehow allows the box to boot |
| 18:25.54 | SerajewelKS | UUIDs |
| 18:26.32 | SerajewelKS | ok i just reinstalled the kernel, ran update-grub, and then grub-install on all boot devices. now grub gives me "invalid arch-dependent ELF magic" and failed to load stage2. |
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| 18:27.13 | SerajewelKS | ten bucks says if i do that all again (sans reinstall kernel) from rescue mode of the installer, i will see the grub menu on the next boot |
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| 18:28.03 | SerajewelKS | it's like my system kernel is randomly writing bad data to the disk, while the installer CD kernel doesn't |
| 18:28.34 | greycat | Not the kernel, but the update-grub stuff. |
| 18:28.52 | SerajewelKS | i would agree except that when i run that from the installer, i'm chrooted into the system's / |
| 18:28.58 | SerajewelKS | so it should all be the same stuff |
| 18:29.09 | SerajewelKS | the only piece that's different is the kernel |
| 18:29.43 | SerajewelKS | BUT i still don't get why running update-grub fixes the problem, even though the generated config is identical. they have matching sha1sums. |
| 18:29.44 | xaeB5 | do i need to install anything in order to run a c++ file in debian? looks like i have a "cpp" program installed already and am trying to file a file.cpp program |
| 18:29.50 | SerajewelKS | one works, one doesn't. i don't get it. |
| 18:29.57 | xaeB5 | *trying to run |
| 18:30.36 | SerajewelKS | xaeB5: you don't run C++ files, you compile them. "cpp -o program file.cpp" will create a file called "program" that you should then be able to run, assuming there were no compilation errors. |
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| 18:31.12 | greycat | cpp isn't the C++ compiler; it's the C preprocessor |
| 18:31.21 | greycat | the C++ compiler is named g++ or c++ |
| 18:31.37 | SerajewelKS | greycat: i'm trying to come up with an explanation for this that doesn't involve disk corruption, and i can't. but it's weird that the rescue environment doesn't appear to have this problem. |
| 18:31.50 | greycat | it does not sound like file system corruption |
| 18:32.04 | xaeB5 | greycat: should i use g++ or c++ to compile? |
| 18:32.26 | greycat | xaeB5: if someone else wrote this program, you should follow their instructions to build it |
| 18:32.31 | SerajewelKS | ok, then, if i have two bit-for-bit identical grub.cfg's, why would one bring me to the grub menu, and the other drop me to a grub shell? |
| 18:32.38 | xaeB5 | it's just a hello world i wrote greycat |
| 18:33.02 | greycat | stick with g++ for now |
| 18:33.20 | greycat | or whatever the ##c++ channel advises you to do |
| 18:33.24 | xaeB5 | ok |
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| 18:34.14 | SerajewelKS | here's what i observe: running update-grub from the booted system produces a config that for some reason can't be read, because i get dropped to a grub shell. running update-grub while chrooted into the same system from rescue mode produces a config that has the same sha1sum but works. |
| 18:34.49 | SerajewelKS | running grub-install from the booted system causes grub to fail to load stage2 with "invalid arch-dependent ELF magic." doing the same while chrooted into the same system from rescue mode produces a working grub install. |
| 18:34.53 | SerajewelKS | i don't get it. |
| 18:35.01 | greycat | you keep focusing on "the config" instead of the other pieces |
| 18:35.19 | greycat | it very clearly talks about executable code ("ELF magic") which is not config |
| 18:35.34 | SerajewelKS | yes, that's the grub-install oddity, not the update-grub oddity |
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| 18:35.52 | SerajewelKS | if i don't mess with grub-install, then i get a grub shell with NO error message |
| 18:36.26 | SerajewelKS | so let's ignore grub-install, since that's not required to resolve the first problem. that's just me trying to see what could fix it without using rescue mode. |
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| 18:37.11 | SerajewelKS | if i run update-grub in the system itself, the next boot fails. if i run update-grub in the system chrooted from the install environment, it works. despite producing an identical config. so should i copy all of /boot in both cases and see if anything else changed? |
| 18:37.42 | SerajewelKS | i didn't think update-grub touched anything except grub.cfg |
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| 18:40.10 | greycat | reads /usr/sbin/update-grub and snorts at the incredibly useless and stupid set -e |
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| 18:40.52 | greycat | "but what if the exec fails?! we must ensure the script exits! |
| 18:41.02 | greycat | " "but it's already the last thing in the file" |
| 18:41.23 | SerajewelKS | someone copied a boilerplate without thinking, probably. or there used to be more in there. |
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| 18:42.18 | greycat | No, it's Debian's asinine and idiotic "all shell scripts must have set -e" policy. |
| 18:42.32 | dutchfish | greycat, can it be, by accident that your shell is configured to continue on non zero? |
| 18:42.33 | SerajewelKS | to reiterate from a clean slate: i upgrade kernel, dpkg kicks off update-grub as it should, i reboot, get a grub shell with no error. i boot installer in rescue mode, chroot into my system, copy bad grub.cfg, run update-grub, compare to bad grub.cfg, they are identical. i reboot, system boots fine. |
| 18:42.34 | greycat | They even put it in /etc/rc.local back when they still shipped an /etc/rc.local. |
| 18:42.48 | greycat | dutchfish: cat /usr/sbin/update-grub |
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| 18:42.59 | dutchfish | greycat, tes, seen that several times |
| 18:43.51 | dutchfish | greycat, the whole point of set (and the miriad of changes in latest shells) is to make sure to break at non zero. at least on -e? |
| 18:44.07 | greycat | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/105 |
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| 18:45.12 | dutchfish | greycat, has that been tested in another shell? |
| 18:45.39 | dutchfish | greycat, bash is not th eonly kid on the block |
| 18:45.59 | greycat | If you can't see that a set -e is pointless and stupid in a three-line script where the first line is the shebang, the second line is set -e, and the third line is exec something, then this conversation is pointless. |
| 18:46.02 | dutchfish | (just thinking out loud) |
| 18:46.38 | dutchfish | fair enough, i dont use bash btw |
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| 18:47.08 | SerajewelKS | if you're doing shell-specific things, the shebang should call that specific shell anyway |
| 18:47.25 | cyclic3 | Is there any reporting mechanism for the pastezone? |
| 18:47.38 | dutchfish | maybe, i thought sh points to dash |
| 18:48.06 | SerajewelKS | dutchfish: right. so if a script has a bash-ism, it should have #!/bin/bash |
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| 18:48.43 | cyclic3 | When clicking on the recent posts bar, one post listed a set of hidden services, which it claaimed linked to child pornography |
| 18:49.14 | dutchfish | SerajewelKS, try this on a recent Debian system: ls -la $(which sh) |
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| 18:49.46 | dutchfish | and i admit its confusing sometimes and bash has many faults |
| 18:50.06 | SerajewelKS | greycat: so here's another headscratcher. i can boot 4.9.0-6 but not 4.9.0-7. with -7 i get "error: invalid magic number". but running "file" on /boot/vmlinuz-4.9.0-7-amd64 identifies it as a kernel. |
| 18:50.45 | SerajewelKS | these are separate issues but they're painting a scary picture in my head |
| 18:50.48 | cyclic3 | any idea on how to report this? I hate to be one of those people, but this is something that people generally frown upon |
| 18:50.50 | jhutchins_wk | SerajewelKS: That suggests it might be a module error. |
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| 18:51.06 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_wk: right. but the last time this happened, uninstalling and reinstalling the kernel fixed it. |
| 18:51.21 | jhutchins_wk | SerajewelKS: I've been having connectivity issues - have you said whether this is DOS or GPT, whether it's BIOS or UEFI? |
| 18:51.40 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_wk: DOS, BIOS, / is in LVM inside RAID1, hence there is a BIOS boot partition |
| 18:51.59 | greycat | a... what? |
| 18:52.08 | greycat | what is a "BIOS boot partition"?! |
| 18:52.22 | cyclic3 | ffs |
| 18:52.39 | SerajewelKS | jesus my bad, it's GPT not DOS |
| 18:52.45 | SerajewelKS | *that's* why the BIOS boot partition |
| 18:52.51 | greycat | You mean an EFI partitino? |
| 18:53.06 | SerajewelKS | BIOS needs a BIOS boot partition to boot from GPT |
| 18:53.15 | SerajewelKS | for grub to load stage2 from |
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| 18:55.58 | SerajewelKS | (IIRC, DOS disklabel has some 512 bytes that were reserved and never used, where grub stores stuff. GPT doesn't have that wasted space, so an additional partition is required to store that data. |
| 18:56.32 | SerajewelKS | but only when GPT is used with BIOS |
| 18:56.46 | ayekat | and with grub |
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| 18:57.05 | SerajewelKS | well, yeah |
| 18:57.12 | greycat | So instead of having 1 MB of empty space at the start of your disk, you have an actual PARTITION there?! Is this partition ever mounted? |
| 18:57.27 | greycat | If this partition ever gets mounted, I think we found your problem. |
| 18:57.45 | SerajewelKS | yes, there is a partition with the "BIOS boot" type. it is not mounted. grub-install writes data there, similar to how it writes data to the MBR for DOS disklabels. |
| 18:58.16 | SerajewelKS | remember that / is in LVM in RAID1. so the grub.cfg does not mention partition numbers, it's looking for a RAID superblock UUID and then an LVM UUID. |
| 18:58.40 | SerajewelKS | but regardless, the config that works and the config that doesn't work are identical. that's what i can't figure out. |
| 18:59.10 | greycat | I'm still thinking that something is mounting this partition, or fsck-ing the file system if it has one... |
| 18:59.21 | SerajewelKS | it has no filesystem |
| 18:59.25 | greycat | Which would cause data corruption of your Master Boot Record (analogue). |
| 18:59.49 | SerajewelKS | IIRC it's the same blob that grub stores in the MBR of a DOS disklabel |
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| 19:00.26 | SerajewelKS | if something is trying to mount this partition, it should fail. there is no filesystem magic. |
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| 19:04.03 | jim | SerajewelKS, hmm, you must have a GPT partition table |
| 19:04.12 | SerajewelKS | yep, i said that above |
| 19:04.32 | jim | just sat down, didn't see that :)\ |
| 19:05.00 | SerajewelKS | i'm considering switching the system to a DOS disklabel just to see if that fixes it, but that means failing one of the RAID1's, repartitioning it, rebuilding the array, etc etc |
| 19:05.49 | jim | how long would those things take |
| 19:05.51 | jim | ? |
| 19:06.05 | SerajewelKS | to rebuild a 3TB RAID1? |
| 19:06.15 | jim | and to fail the array |
| 19:06.25 | SerajewelKS | failing the array is instant, but rebuilding the array is going to take hours |
| 19:06.42 | SerajewelKS | did we ever verify that update-grub only touches /boot/grub/grub.cfg? |
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| 19:07.17 | greycat | I didn't source-dive into grub-mkconfig or even go from the man page to the *shudder* info page. |
| 19:07.50 | SerajewelKS | right now i'm in the processing of fscking / to make sure that there's not some lingering problem |
| 19:08.11 | SerajewelKS | FWIW i copied /boot and then re-ran update-grub from the install CD (in chroot) and did a diff -r, there were no differences |
| 19:08.17 | SerajewelKS | but the box booted after doing it from the install CD |
| 19:08.34 | SerajewelKS | so i'm even more perplexed |
| 19:09.15 | SerajewelKS | i'm not exactly 100% sure how stage2 loads grub.cfg or even knows where to find it |
| 19:10.02 | SerajewelKS | i suspect that's the part that's breaking down but i don't know enough to figure out why |
| 19:10.32 | greycat | Try #grub maybe. |
| 19:11.56 | SerajewelKS | wish this server didn't take 5 minutes to POST, makes debugging this crap really annoying |
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| 19:16.18 | SerajewelKS | googling around all of this stuff has led me to a thread that suggests that broken UDMA in the BIOS can cause it, and that turning off UDMA will make grub work correctly. then the kernel ignores the BIOS UDMA anyway. so that's what i'm going to try next. |
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| 19:21.47 | jak2000 | hi all |
| 19:22.12 | jak2000 | i type these command: ln -s /backups/ /home/jak/ftp/backups but hen the server restart loose the link, how to do perrmanently? thanks |
| 19:22.21 | SerajewelKS | i guess i can't disable UDMA from the BIOS :/ |
| 19:22.52 | greycat | jak2000: figure out why your /home/jak/ftp/ directory is being altered without your knowledge or consent. Then stop it from doing that. |
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| 19:23.17 | jak2000 | greycat mmm ok thanks sorry |
| 19:23.38 | greycat | The first part will be MUCH, much, much harder than the second part, most likely. |
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| 19:27.56 | SerajewelKS | aha, i was trying to figure out why i used GPT |
| 19:28.01 | SerajewelKS | DOS disklabels have a limit of 2.7TB |
| 19:28.12 | SerajewelKS | so migrating to a DOS disklabel is a non-starter |
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| 19:44.42 | SerajewelKS | greycat: 100% reproducible, if i grub-install from inside the system i get "invalid arch-independent ELF magic" but if i grub-install chrooted into the system from the install CD, it will boot |
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| 19:50.35 | plantroon | can you guys give me reasons why to install Debian over Parabola Linux (Arch Linux with free software only)? Is this question ok to ask here? :D |
| 19:50.37 | SerajewelKS | looking around with ls, i can see the stuff in /boot/grub just fine |
| 19:50.47 | SerajewelKS | but "insmod normal" fails with the same error, like it's reading the wrong content |
| 19:51.19 | SerajewelKS | i can insmod test, hfs, lvm, other random crap... but not normal |
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| 19:51.50 | SerajewelKS | plantroon: because you want to use Debian instead of Parabola Linux |
| 19:53.17 | plantroon | SerajewelKS: I am trying to justify it. But even regarding stability, I've never had problems with Arch/Parabola for years. Basically I work at a company that uses Debian and I would like to switch all of my own servers/VPSes to it. |
| 19:53.20 | annadane | arch is rolling, debian stable's software is older, that's the most important difference |
| 19:53.41 | annadane | there's sid if you want something newer or backports/compiling your own software |
| 19:54.16 | annadane | well, for servers, i'd use stable |
| 19:54.55 | plantroon | definitely, sid seems very unstable and in the past I had package breakage. Like there were some weird conflicts that I didn't bother solving :D |
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| 19:56.08 | SerajewelKS | don't use sid unless you know why you are using sid, and you know how to fix your system when it breaks |
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| 19:56.44 | SerajewelKS | you don't need sid unless you know a specific reason why you need sid. and even then you probably don't need sid. |
| 19:57.14 | plantroon | on servers I would only go stable to live a carefree life :D but I have that now with Parabola so really, if I switch it would just be "cosmetic" and not worth the time maybe. |
| 19:57.18 | SerajewelKS | i'm not going to try to justify switching to debian for you. that's up to you. |
| 19:57.27 | plantroon | yeah :( |
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| 19:59.19 | plantroon | I am looking more for advice from people who used both Arch and Debian (or derivatives) |
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| 20:01.26 | annadane | (i'd also recommend stable for general desktop use, i only mentioned sid because they mentioned their arch background so more used to solving problems, but stable is fine, one only needs newer software in special circumstances) |
| 20:01.44 | annadane | and stable is... stable, in every sense of the word |
| 20:02.58 | plantroon | yea, I have a lot of experience with Debian stable, none of which is bad. Basically the thing I slightly dislike about Debian is that it modifies upstream packages more than Arch does. |
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| 20:04.26 | somiaj | the modifications are often bug fixes, backported fixes, or needed to fit into the debian system. |
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| 20:06.35 | plantroon | somiaj: the mariadb user being named debian-sys-maint does not fit that description. That is an unnecessary upstream modification imo. |
| 20:07.12 | somiaj | that is to fit into a the debian system, this allows a single user to be able to control things accross multiple packages |
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| 20:08.18 | somiaj | check out the REAME.Debian in /usr/share/doc/mariadb, this was also how it was setup for mysql before the switch. |
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| 20:08.57 | somiaj | https://serverfault.com/questions/9948/what-is-the-debian-sys-maint-mysql-user-and-more |
| 20:09.14 | plantroon | yeah I know :D I personally upgraded many servers to mariadb :D still I prefer the upstream ways |
| 20:09.17 | somiaj | anyways, agreed that debian often does things its own way, sometimes called the Debian way, but it is often to ease things. |
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| 20:11.09 | annadane | i'd definitely recommend stable over arch for stable use, rolling distros aren't good for servers |
| 20:11.12 | annadane | otherwise, your choice |
| 20:11.24 | annadane | debian has a large repository, there are pros and cons in every area otherwise |
| 20:11.41 | annadane | !why debian |
| 20:11.42 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 20:11.54 | plantroon | I've run Arch on servers for years, for some reason nothing ever broke. At least not any more frequent than Debian. |
| 20:12.23 | annadane | i guess that's fair |
| 20:12.26 | SerajewelKS | i'm still getting "invalid magic number" trying to boot 4.9.0-7, while 4.9.0-6 boots fine :/ |
| 20:12.30 | annadane | i've heard of some people running arch in their servers |
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| 20:18.47 | SerajewelKS | what packages are responsible for putting resources into /boot/grub? "dpkg -S /boot/grub" returns nothing. |
| 20:18.59 | SerajewelKS | i want to move /boot/grub away and try regenerating everything in it from scratch |
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| 20:23.52 | SerajewelKS | seems it's grub-install |
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| 20:24.19 | cfoch | hell |
| 20:24.26 | cfoch | hello xD |
| 20:24.30 | dvs | sure is! |
| 20:24.42 | cfoch | is xen-image-create only to create debian-based images? |
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| 20:25.46 | somiaj | SerajewelKS: correct, grub-install installs grub into the mbr or the efi partition of the disk (depending on your setup) grub-install will configure grub to be able to find /boot/grub. |
| 20:25.55 | somiaj | update-grub only modifies the files in /boot/grub afiak |
| 20:26.58 | SerajewelKS | right. sigh. no idea why this won't work. |
| 20:27.15 | SerajewelKS | i'm starting to suspect the BIOS and/or system firmware |
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| 20:28.48 | somiaj | I didn't see what the problem was, but i think you menteiond a raid array? |
| 20:30.09 | SerajewelKS | somiaj: the problem is undetermined because it's shifting around so much. which makes me suspect the hardware. |
| 20:30.15 | SerajewelKS | let me look for my summary |
| 20:30.32 | SerajewelKS | too far back, i'll retype it |
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| 20:30.48 | somiaj | I doubt I can be of much help |
| 20:30.55 | SerajewelKS | if i grub-install from within the running system, grub can't insmod normal with "invalid arch-dependent ELF magic" |
| 20:31.03 | somiaj | but if the problem moves around, sounds like memeory, often hardware is a repratble error |
| 20:31.13 | SerajewelKS | if i grub-install from the installer CD, chrooted into the running system, then it boots fine |
| 20:31.23 | SerajewelKS | it's 100% reproducible. both the problem and the fix. |
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| 20:32.22 | SerajewelKS | considering i'm chrooted, the only part that's different is the kernel. as well as whatever ephemeral state is created by the services running on the system when it's booted normally |
| 20:34.16 | SerajewelKS | this on the other hand somewhat refutes faulty hardware, unless the "bad" environment is completely reliably triggering whatever the hardware problem is, and the installer CD environment reliably does not |
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| 20:36.04 | somiaj | I'm not quite sure where grub-install gets its info |
| 20:37.16 | SerajewelKS | right but the odd thing is i've copied /boot after doing both and diffed them. there are no differences. |
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| 20:40.03 | somiaj | almost sounds like the error is in the bootloader part. Are you using legacy or uefi boot? |
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| 20:47.04 | SerajewelKS | legacy, but with GPT so i have a BIOS boot partition |
| 20:47.07 | SerajewelKS | i'm getting closer |
| 20:47.25 | SerajewelKS | ls ($root)/boot/grub in one instance doesn't show a grub.cfg. even though it's there if i boot from the CD. |
| 20:47.42 | SerajewelKS | it seems like grub is randomly unable to read certain things :/ |
| 20:49.28 | SerajewelKS | maybe i need to force an array rebuild or something |
| 20:49.38 | SerajewelKS | this is all just very strange |
| 20:49.53 | jhutchins_wk | SerajewelKS: I might start to suspect the RAID controller. |
| 20:50.39 | somiaj | is /boot inside the raid array? |
| 20:51.17 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_wk: this is dmraid |
| 20:51.20 | SerajewelKS | somiaj: yes |
| 20:51.30 | jhutchins_wk | SerajewelKS: So the controller is software. |
| 20:51.50 | SerajewelKS | right. i don't trust proprietary hardware raid when it comes to recovering failed devices. |
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| 20:52.33 | somiaj | It is often suggested to keep /boot outside of arrays, but unsure on the details here |
| 20:52.53 | SerajewelKS | i have a non-zero mismatch_cnt, but i have swap in the raid1 and my understanding is that pages being swapped but not yet written to both disks that get unmapped prematurely can result in an abort of the write, leaving a mismatch in the swap space, which is not an issue |
| 20:53.52 | SerajewelKS | and the layer that verifies mirrors doesn't know or care where the swap areas are |
| 20:54.26 | somiaj | this is just a bit outside my experience, only going off of what litle I know about arrays. |
| 20:54.30 | SerajewelKS | in hindsight i should have made the swap areas raw partitions outside of the raid |
| 20:54.46 | somiaj | do you have a second disk you could put /boot on (just for testing) to see if the problem is with the array or not? |
| 20:54.47 | SerajewelKS | grub2 does understand linear lvm as well as dmraid |
| 20:55.04 | SerajewelKS | i have a second disk but it has no unallocated space |
| 20:55.13 | somiaj | grub2 can even do encrypted /boot too, but I don't think debian supports that by default. |
| 20:55.34 | somiaj | it could not be the problem, but my limited experience is to keep /boot outside of the array |
| 20:55.51 | SerajewelKS | yeah i just didn't want to futz around with having two /boots that i have to keep in sync |
| 20:56.28 | SerajewelKS | the point of a mirror is to mirror :P |
| 20:56.58 | SerajewelKS | plus the installer set all of this up. so i assume it is a supported configuration. |
| 20:58.11 | somiaj | my info could be outdated, as it may not be that big of a problem anymore, as I said I hear grub can even support encyrpted /boot |
| 21:00.03 | SerajewelKS | yeah i think the overall issue is one of three things: (1) bad hardware doing weird things, but reliably, or (2) grub not properly understanding either lvm or dmraid, or (3) mirror failure of some kind |
| 21:00.27 | SerajewelKS | i'm going to try to rule out (3) by forcing a rebuild |
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| 21:01.15 | SerajewelKS | it's just weird that the issue reliably presents when booted into the system, and reliably does not when booted into the installer |
| 21:01.48 | SerajewelKS | and /boot seems to be the only thing that is affected, and on a regular basis |
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| 21:06.17 | SerajewelKS | this is not the first weird boot issue i've had. i had a VM where update-initramfs would generate presumably-bad images that grub would complain about. |
| 21:06.27 | SerajewelKS | but again, booting the CD in rescue mode and chrooting in would generate a good one |
| 21:06.35 | SerajewelKS | i compared the two and the raw files were different |
| 21:06.37 | SerajewelKS | but the contents were not |
| 21:11.08 | SerajewelKS | (e.g. sha1sum of the images differed, but doing a diff -r on the extracted contents yielded no differences) |
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| 22:19.41 | touchiz | hellow |
| 22:19.48 | touchiz | how to my WindowsManager ? |
| 22:19.52 | touchiz | i use Kali 2.0 |
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| 22:35.11 | fpat | touchiz: please visit the chatroom meant for kali users |
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| 22:38.16 | skapata | I am using Debian Buster, and /usr/sbin disappeared from root's $PATH. I've added "source /etc/profile" to .bashrc and it solved the problem for the command "su", but not for "su -c". Did it already happen to anyone here? How can "su -c" find the right $PATH? And: anyone knows why $PATH has automatically changed? |
| 22:38.34 | fpat | !debian next |
| 22:38.42 | fpat | hmmm |
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| 22:40.55 | fpat | :D |
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| 22:46.21 | abrotman | skapata: if you just "su -" instead of "su", it'll be fine |
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| 22:49.49 | skapata | Did you mean instead of "su -c"? |
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| 22:50.43 | skapata | I've already fixed $PATH for "su", but it does not work for "su -c". |
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| 22:57.04 | fpat | !debian-next fpat0 |
| 22:57.04 | dpkg | fpat0: #debian-next is a channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net). |
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| 22:58.44 | fpat | strange, my clone got a different version than my private messaging |
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| 22:59.39 | fpat | ah, the bot channel. yes |
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| 23:04.13 | fpat | 2018: eggdrop still gets them :D |
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| 23:05.19 | dvs | there's the cause! ;-) |
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| 23:29.55 | annadane | how can i diagnose why qbittorrent isn't starting? it was working fine, then i set the option "start qbittorrent minimized", then it wouldn't start (after logging out from i3 and into xfce), invoking it from the terminal just exits after a few seconds with a blank line, tried deleting .config/qbittorrent, same result |
| 23:29.59 | annadane | i guess i could strace |
| 23:30.58 | annadane | i see there's a process running |
| 23:31.22 | annadane | well, ok. i killed it and now it starts |
| 23:33.06 | annadane | not sure why the torrents are still there, either they're located somewhere else than .config/qbittorrent or the running process somehow kept me from deleting them |
| 23:36.28 | kale | hi i am trying to build with gtk+ and glade in codeblocks, but get a mix lib error. could you point me to the correct channel for this? |
| 23:37.34 | altker128 | kale: Probably a C or C++ channel |
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| 23:40.57 | annadane | .local/share/data/qBittorrent/BT_backup/ apparently |
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