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| 00:01.49 | simbalion | I can't seem to unmount /mnt, says it's busy |
| 00:05.01 | unmy | simbalion, how looks the line in fstab with root partition? |
| 00:05.03 | sussudio | simbalion: lsof | grep mnt |
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| 00:05.27 | unmy | simbalion, before umount you need umount previous sys dev proc boot |
| 00:05.47 | simbalion | unmy: I did that |
| 00:06.00 | unmy | and all umounted without problem? |
| 00:06.18 | simbalion | except /mnt |
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| 00:06.33 | sussudio | also, don't be in the dir you're trying to unmount. |
| 00:06.38 | simbalion | I did a reboot and it's still not booting |
| 00:07.18 | unmy | without proper umount and removing lvm? |
| 00:07.36 | simbalion | yup |
| 00:07.45 | simbalion | but that's probably got nothing to do with it |
| 00:07.50 | unmy | eh |
| 00:08.01 | simbalion | It's still failing to find the disk when scanning |
| 00:08.13 | simbalion | but now it's not complaining about lvmetad anymore so that setting change worked |
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| 00:12.00 | unmy | in google "cannot process volume group system-vg" and you should find something |
| 00:12.14 | simbalion | Nope, I tried that already. |
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| 00:29.08 | simbalion | That worked! I reinstalled the kernel, nvidia-driver, and also lvm2. One of them fixed it. Probably the kernel |
| 00:29.20 | simbalion | thanks for all your help guys |
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| 00:31.14 | simbalion | grr, gdm3 is apparently broken too, or openbox, can't tell. but it's giving a error screen and virtual terminals aren't working |
| 00:31.24 | simbalion | oh wait they are |
| 00:31.36 | simbalion | my crazy apple keyboard defaults to magic keys instead of F keys |
| 00:31.52 | simbalion | it's such an awesome keyboard if it wasn't for that lol |
| 00:32.02 | martinjungblut | simbalion: I'm coming here just now but I wonder what your issue was... |
| 00:32.31 | simbalion | martinjungblut: apt-get upgrade interupted by hard reboot |
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| 00:32.45 | simbalion | couldn't detect or mount / on lvm partition after that |
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| 00:35.16 | simbalion | Hrm, X still can't start |
| 00:35.53 | simbalion | anyone familiar with this error screen? I dunno if it's GDM3 or Openbox or something else |
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| 00:50.03 | simbalion | hrm, systemd-modules-load fails on some nvidia files |
| 00:50.12 | simbalion | I an buying a radeon next time I upgrade |
| 00:50.19 | simbalion | I am* |
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| 00:52.12 | htb | Hi, I have lost all sound after an upgrade today. I have checked that nothing is muted in pavucontrol or alsamixer, restarted pulseaudio. Does anyone have any suggestion as to what to try next? Thanks. |
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| 00:55.17 | simbalion | It's actually failing on nvidia-drm |
| 00:55.29 | simbalion | this is why every champion of corporate copyrights is going to burn in hell for me. |
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| 01:08.06 | zeta- | Is it possible to search the pkg DB for those added since a date, ie new packages? |
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| 01:26.52 | simbalion | finally back in X. Fuck Nvidia. |
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| 06:34.18 | beepnboop- | hello i have brand new os on my brand new desktop, anyway i'm struggling to install sudo |
| 06:34.28 | beepnboop- | so how do i install sudo |
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| 06:36.58 | nkuttler | apt-get install sudo |
| 06:37.11 | beepnboop- | yeah.. i cant |
| 06:37.17 | nkuttler | as root, obviously. use su to become root |
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| 06:39.51 | beepnboop- | says i need to insert something like the iso |
| 06:40.04 | beepnboop- | i did, and it still asking me |
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| 06:43.43 | beepnboop- | media change please insert the disk labeled debian gnu\linux 9.5.0 stretch official amd64 dvd binary-1 20180713-10 in the drive media\cdrom and press enter |
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| 06:44.07 | beepnboop- | i cant even remember how i got sudo on this machine |
| 06:50.54 | nkuttler | beepnboop-: see man 5 sources.list, and remove the cdrom entry |
| 06:51.25 | nkuttler | !tell beepnboop- about sources.list |
| 06:51.58 | nkuttler | i thought you didn't have sudo installed? |
| 06:52.18 | nkuttler | if you already have it installed, run, as root, adduser <youruser> sudoers |
| 06:52.20 | beepnboop- | i dont |
| 06:52.35 | nkuttler | ok, then clean up your sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get install sudo |
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| 06:53.39 | beepnboop- | its quite a ******** that it doesn't get installed when you install brand new os |
| 06:53.54 | diogenes_ | is it apt or apt-get recommended in debian? |
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| 06:55.07 | beepnboop- | whats the nano command again? |
| 06:55.43 | c23 | nano(1), the text editor? |
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| 06:55.55 | beepnboop- | to edit sources list |
| 06:56.10 | beepnboop- | the wiki has no mention of it |
| 06:56.31 | c23 | Like a visudo kind of deal? I didn't think there was one.. |
| 06:57.08 | beepnboop- | ? |
| 06:57.12 | c23 | You can just edit /etc/apt/sources.list with whatever, I think. |
| 06:57.30 | beepnboop- | no i cant |
| 06:57.37 | beepnboop- | not without sudo |
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| 06:59.16 | diogenes_ | beepnboop-, 1. su (enter passwoer) 2. nano /etc/apt/sources.list 3. comment out the cdrom lines 4. save, close 5. apt update |
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| 07:02.52 | beepnboop- | i need to undo something, whats "M-U" |
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| 07:04.35 | c23 | [Alt] + [u] |
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| 07:10.40 | beepnboop- | not in the sudoers file |
| 07:10.51 | beepnboop- | i just added myself to the file and saved.. |
| 07:12.26 | beepnboop- | nvm |
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| 07:14.02 | c23 | Anyone out there have a decent understanding of UEFI? I have the dual-boot blues. |
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| 07:14.45 | beepnboop- | thanks nkuttler c23 |
| 07:17.44 | c23 | No problem, beep. |
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| 08:05.21 | beepnboop- | can i get something bigger than 1024x768 without driver? |
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| 08:17.33 | fpat | without driver you see a blank screen. or do you mean a different driver than nouveau? |
| 08:17.57 | dutchfish | beepnboop-, depends on how you define 'driver', there is always a driver in use, per default its vga. |
| 08:18.39 | fpat | !nouveau |
| 08:18.40 | dpkg | The nouveau project aims to build high-quality, open source drivers for Nvidia GPUs (Riva, TNT, GeForce, Quadro). Nouveau <DRM> is part of the Linux kernel, the display driver is packaged as xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (read its README.Debian file for important notes). Install the libgl1-mesa-dri package for 3D acceleration. http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ #nouveau on irc.freenode.net. |
| 08:20.10 | dutchfish | beepnboop-, if you are after an 'open source' solution, your choices are limited, right now amdgpu is developed to a level it has the best options. |
| 08:20.43 | dutchfish | beepnboop-, also for the intel drivers |
| 08:20.49 | fpat | but its not free, right? |
| 08:21.26 | dutchfish | fpat, apart form the blop its 'free', not as in beer but as in free to use. |
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| 08:22.23 | dutchfish | fpat, any open source driver comes with an license file, which anyone can read ;) |
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| 08:22.53 | dutchfish | the firmware is another story |
| 08:24.17 | dutchfish | beepnboop-, if yu are happy with a vga driver without hw acceleration or unlocking specific features, you can use the vga driver on quiet some different resolutions. |
| 08:25.08 | dutchfish | !vga |
| 08:25.08 | dpkg | hmm... vga is Video Graphics Array or something you SHOULD know, maybe you should sell your computer huh, or 60 Hz vsync, 31.5 kHz hsync gets your old VGA monitor going, or http://ruslug.rutgers.edu/~mcgrof/grub-images/configs/linux/menu.lst |
| 08:26.12 | dutchfish | mmm.. that factoid needs some attention, sorry for that |
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| 08:50.28 | beepnboop- | i have 980 sli on that machine and no i'm not happy with 1024x768 maximum resolution on that 1440p monitor |
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| 08:51.27 | yl0oc | Hello. What happens with manually compiled software, which uses a lot of external libraries (for ex. php), after i do apt-get upgrade/dist-upgrade after for ex. 5 years? Will binaries still work or need i recompile? |
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| 09:32.46 | gour | morning |
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| 09:35.18 | gour | i'd like to configure local dev environment to work with Grav CMS (LAMP) and would like to use {foo,bar].local aliases (defined in /etc/hosts) to access each server, but in order to simplify permissions, it would be nice to have them working under my ~/public_html, so wonder what is required in order to have PHP and virtual sites running under ~/public_html? |
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| 09:44.56 | ruschlem | #flood |
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| 10:18.52 | fr0xk | The epiphany on Debian Stable 9 doesn't save protonmail credentials |
| 10:19.07 | fr0xk | Right? |
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| 10:19.45 | fr0xk | WebKit 2.18.6 |
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| 10:40.52 | kopper | Is it possible to have sounds working in Firefox Quantum without pulseaudio? |
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| 10:44.13 | stiltzkin | Hey, I have probably a really dumb question. How do I pass arguments to startx/xinit in debian |
| 10:44.29 | stiltzkin | I want to start my system without a cursor (passing -nocursor option) but I don't know which file to edit... |
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| 10:46.36 | stiltzkin | like where is startx/xinit actually run and where do I add that argument |
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| 10:49.48 | kopper | stiltzkin: man xinit |
| 10:50.15 | kopper | And take a look at $HOME/.xinitrc |
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| 10:51.52 | stiltzkin | I don't have one |
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| 10:52.21 | stiltzkin | I tried creating one and if I do the system just starts and stops X in a loop |
| 10:52.50 | stiltzkin | this is a little embedded arm system with a LCD display and I just want it to display an image without the cursor on it |
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| 10:54.35 | keane_ | Can anyanyone help? |
| 10:55.00 | keane_ | I'm trying to install debian from a flash drive and the drive won't boot at all |
| 10:55.23 | keane_ | Even after changing the boot order for my x200 |
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| 11:00.53 | kopper | stiltzkin: Did you do something like this? http://www.noah.org/wiki/cursor_disable_in_X11 |
| 11:01.01 | stiltzkin | exactly that page |
| 11:01.20 | stiltzkin | I just don't know where to set those options - where does startx get called for the first time, which system script? |
| 11:01.37 | stiltzkin | setting an ~/.xinitrc seems to cause a loop |
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| 11:19.09 | CrazyTux | is Debian testing a rolling release version of Debian? |
| 11:19.47 | abrotman | Not really |
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| 11:21.12 | CrazyTux | but, why some Debian based distros like Sparky linux that are based on Debian testing say that they are rolling release distros? |
| 11:21.31 | abrotman | You'd have to ask them ... Maybe they don't know what they're talking about |
| 11:21.46 | abrotman | dpkg: rolling |
| 11:21.46 | dpkg | Testing is not a rolling release in the strict sense of the word. It is a test platform, currently codenamed <buster>. It is part of the Debian development process and is gradually being built into the next <stable>. Please go to #debian-next on irc.debian.org for support. See <moving target>. |
| 11:22.48 | CrazyTux | ok. Is Debian Testing usable by newbies? non technical end users? |
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| 11:38.04 | abrotman | CrazyTux: That's a vague question |
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| 11:38.40 | abrotman | There are some points where "Testing" is okay for non-tech people, and others where it will be a curse |
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| 11:39.22 | CrazyTux | ok. What are they? |
| 11:39.36 | abrotman | The times? |
| 11:39.58 | abrotman | Is there some reason that stretch/stable is unacceptable for this non-tech person? |
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| 11:55.18 | CrazyTux | which distro is the best Debian based newbie friendly distro? |
| 11:55.58 | Tom-_ | Linux Mint? |
| 11:56.21 | Tom-_ | or LMDE, Linux Mint Debian Edition |
| 11:56.49 | CrazyTux | Tom-_, ok. How about the distros like Sparky linux an MX Linux? |
| 11:57.31 | Tom-_ | not familiar, maybe try them out like Linus Torvalds says to do, you can try them in virtual box |
| 11:57.52 | CrazyTux | ok |
| 11:57.53 | keane_ | Lmde has really old software on thier distros though |
| 11:58.39 | CrazyTux | I have seen really positive reviews of MX Linux. |
| 11:58.59 | keane_ | One of the reason's I'm moving |
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| 12:01.22 | Tom-_ | LMDE 2 is Debian Jessie, yes, but LMDE 3 is coming out soon, based on stretch |
| 12:01.34 | CrazyTux | ok |
| 12:01.47 | Tom-_ | CrazyTux, try MX Linux :) |
| 12:01.58 | CrazyTux | btw, which DE is most newbie friendly? |
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| 12:03.11 | abrotman | CrazyTux: This is a channel for Debian support. |
| 12:03.34 | CrazyTux | ok |
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| 12:20.08 | jmd | I've just updated my /etc/apt/sources.lst from "jessie" to "stretch", ran "apt-get update". Then I did "apt-get dist-upgrade" and apt get does - absolutely nothing - What have I forgotten? |
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| 12:22.50 | n4dir | jmd: though i am half asleep, i'd say you didn't forget anything. Doesn't tell you why it doesn't work, but i checked the chat-bot and he tells exactly that procedure |
| 12:22.57 | n4dir | !jessie->stretch |
| 12:23.20 | n4dir | ! jessie->stretch |
| 12:23.21 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/OFVv . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "jessie" to "stretch" and remove stable-specific lines like jessie-backports. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
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| 12:24.44 | jmd | n4dir: Ok. Thanks. I'll double check what I did. |
| 12:25.15 | n4dir | good luck. |
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| 12:27.31 | jmd | ... seems to be doing something on the second attempt ... |
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| 12:28.55 | Inline | hello |
| 12:30.00 | Inline | i added openmodelica to my sources but i can't get the keys |
| 12:30.10 | Inline | where do i find the keys ? |
| 12:30.47 | Inline | subkeys.pgp.net times out |
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| 12:34.53 | `whoami` | Hello, does anyone have any hint about fixing a failed 'apt --fix-broken install' ? https://pastebin.com/raw/pGZd6c4P |
| 12:36.15 | `whoami` | i think my hard disk is dying, btw. Maybe that's the issue |
| 12:37.08 | `whoami` | -- by hard disk i mean the usb drive the system is installed on |
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| 13:03.28 | kirk781 | I have a weird issue that sometimes affects my Ethernet connection |
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| 13:04.09 | kirk781 | It will randomly disconnect[no blinking lights] and I need it to plug it into another computer[where it works]. I bring it back and plug it into my PC again and now boom, it works |
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| 13:05.26 | at0m | kirk781: anything in /var/log/syslog when that happens? |
| 13:06.28 | kirk781 | at0m, I haven't checked it till now. I'll check it now. It's not limited to Debian though. The same behavior, I observe, in Solus as well[with which I dual boot] |
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| 13:07.37 | at0m | then i'd check the other end of the cable, the modem/router/switch/.., but syslog will probably tell you what happened either side. |
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| 13:34.41 | `whoami` | about my apt -f install error; i was worried to fsck that usb drive, but after a few pass, it fixed it. So the dying usb drive is the issue |
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| 13:37.18 | hahainternet | so, this bug has been in sid for more than a month now: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=903295 |
| 13:37.26 | hahainternet | it's an incredibly simple bug, yet it totally breaks a bunch of different things about sid |
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| 13:37.46 | hahainternet | nobody seems to be bothering or cared, and i can't see any way that anyone can help out |
| 13:37.52 | hahainternet | it's frustrating |
| 13:38.17 | hahainternet | i'd love to help out, but i wouldn't even know who to talk to |
| 13:38.29 | at0m | !testing |
| 13:38.30 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <buster>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
| 13:39.48 | hahainternet | if that was for me at0m i've no idea what you're highlighting |
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| 13:40.16 | at0m | hahainternet: talk to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. here is not for sid or testing. |
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| 13:40.43 | hahainternet | well i'm not asking for it to be fixed, i'm more interested in how i could help out, but sure i'll take it there too |
| 13:40.44 | at0m | or, reply to and confirm in the buglist. |
| 13:40.58 | hahainternet | well nobody is reading the bug report clearly |
| 13:41.09 | hahainternet | as it's highest priority in a very core package and has been sat for a month unclassified |
| 13:41.13 | hahainternet | hence i'm confused |
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| 14:14.56 | mefistofeles | hello |
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| 14:16.34 | mefistofeles | So I have this machine with lxc and docker containers running in it, but when I reboot the machine I don't get network (no IP or ping responses, etc.). If I manually run `systemctl restart networking` network starts working, any ideas why I have to manually run this and how to make network connections work automatically at boot in this case? |
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| 14:17.53 | diogenes_ | mefistofeles, ethernet cable? |
| 14:18.10 | mefistofeles | diogenes_: cable is fine |
| 14:19.02 | diogenes_ | mefistofeles, no i mean what type of connection, ethernet, wireless? |
| 14:19.08 | mefistofeles | diogenes_: yes, ethernet |
| 14:19.24 | diogenes_ | static IP? |
| 14:19.38 | mefistofeles | hmm I can paste my interfaces file, maybe that works... |
| 14:21.23 | mefistofeles | diogenes_: yeah, static IP, this is my interfaces file https://bpaste.net/show/7a16b4f8ef2f fwiw |
| 14:22.16 | diogenes_ | try to change 192.168.X.Y+1 |
| 14:23.17 | mefistofeles | diogenes_: may I ask why? what's your reasoning? |
| 14:24.11 | diogenes_ | mefistofeles, might be some mysterious conflict somewhere, but that's just a speculation |
| 14:28.09 | mefistofeles | diogenes_: that wouldn't explain why restarting networking service does it :| |
| 14:29.06 | mefistofeles | diogenes_: I'll try something first, one sec |
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| 14:49.40 | fath0m | Hello guys, do you know if Debian 9.5 supports 8th gen intel cpus? |
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| 15:09.21 | pfred1 | I only run 4th gen here seems to work OK to me though |
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| 15:15.55 | mason | mefistofeles: What are you using for networking? NM? ifupdown? |
| 15:16.02 | mason | =shudder= netplan? |
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| 15:17.39 | mason | Heh. I was shocked to see 433 emails in my spam bucket, but looking at it, I haven't cleared it out since mid-July. |
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| 15:20.34 | fpat | almost 1 spam mail every 24 hours |
| 15:20.40 | fpat | (for me) |
| 15:21.15 | mason | Ah, better than me. I seem to get 20 a day that make it through the system-level stuff. |
| 15:21.42 | mason | SpamAssassin and Spamprobe rarely get false positives for those that do get through. |
| 15:21.52 | mason | Sorry, false negatives, I mean. |
| 15:21.54 | mefistofeles | mason: I guess no network manager, just plain /etc/network/interfaces and system "networking" services |
| 15:22.22 | mason | mefistofeles: Oh, I see where you shared your interfaces file. Sorry. Looking. |
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| 15:23.09 | mason | mefistofeles: Okay, one significant oddity... Why do you have the eno1 stanza in there? |
| 15:23.33 | mefistofeles | mason: well, I copied it from some example on setting up bridges for lxc |
| 15:23.36 | mason | mefistofeles: I'd comment out "allow-hotplug eno1" and "iface eno1 inet manual" and *just* have your lxcbr0 stanza |
| 15:23.47 | mefistofeles | it sued to work correctly in a prevopus server with debian 8, it's a new server now with debian 9 |
| 15:23.51 | mefistofeles | used* |
| 15:23.54 | mefistofeles | previous* |
| 15:24.01 | mefistofeles | gah, sorry horrible typing |
| 15:24.06 | mason | mefistofeles: Also, FWIW, I don't think you strictly need bridge_fd or bridge_maxwait |
| 15:24.16 | mason | Hm. |
| 15:24.51 | mason | mefistofeles: It's definitely worth trying without that eno1 stanza anyway. |
| 15:25.04 | mefistofeles | mason: ok, giving it a try |
| 15:25.07 | mason | My near-baseless gut feeling is that the "inet manual" is hanging it up somehow. |
| 15:26.14 | mason | mefistofeles: Oh, might be a syntax error two. It ought to be dns_nameserver, not dns_nameservers. That said, I'm double-checking to see if maybe both are valid. |
| 15:26.19 | mason | s/two/too/ |
| 15:27.08 | vfw | That's stupid. Should be just nameserver |
| 15:27.44 | mason | I use dns_nameserver here but I'm looking for docs. |
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| 15:28.06 | mefistofeles | https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#The_resolvconf_program |
| 15:28.09 | mefistofeles | nameservers is fine |
| 15:28.14 | mason | kk |
| 15:28.14 | mefistofeles | I think |
| 15:28.24 | mason | Any luck without the eno1 stanza? |
| 15:28.31 | mefistofeles | testing as we speak |
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| 15:28.47 | mason | I see examples of the plural out there too. |
| 15:28.49 | mefistofeles | mason: nope, same issue |
| 15:29.00 | vfw | Why would "nameserver" be prefaced by an acronym that stands for domain name server? But good nameserver works... |
| 15:29.01 | mefistofeles | no IP on lxcbr0 |
| 15:29.09 | mason | Hrm. :/ And there isn't networkmanager installed/configured/interfering in the background? |
| 15:29.10 | mefistofeles | I'd have to do systemctl restart networking for it to work |
| 15:29.23 | mason | vfw: Ah, stylistically it's a bit redundant, yes. |
| 15:29.35 | Gigglebyte | I lost my ability to shut off the backlit keyboard and control screen brightness after intsallling Debian. I am wondering if installing the System76 drivers would help this? System76 has provided the source code and binaries as well as the actual drivers itself. |
| 15:29.35 | neo219 | how to view htpasswd users? |
| 15:29.39 | mefistofeles | mason: nope, no nm |
| 15:30.45 | mason | mefistofeles: Hm. Hopefully someone else will have ideas then. What you've got seems correct to me, but clearly something has changed. |
| 15:31.05 | mefistofeles | mason: yeah, I'll let you know if any advances happen |
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| 15:31.09 | mefistofeles | thanks anyways |
| 15:31.16 | mason | Good luck. |
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| 15:32.43 | mason | mefistofeles: I have errands to do, but if you haven't cracked this by the time I'm back I'll do as exact a duplicate as I can and see what happens. |
| 15:33.05 | mefistofeles | mason: thanks! No problem |
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| 15:43.52 | jmd | It's dissappointing that the netinst disk in stretch doesn't have any ppp tools. Now it can't set up a network which rather defeats its purpose. |
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| 15:56.29 | karlpinc | jmd: You can probably install them in the shell, set up networking manually, and skip the part of the installer that sets up networking. You probably need "expert mode". |
| 15:57.30 | fpat | but is that suitable for a distro like debian? |
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| 15:59.05 | fpat | as far as i know ppp and pppoe and pppoeconf are not on the dvd-1 iso either |
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| 16:04.42 | karlpinc | fpat: What goes on those media is dependent upon the popularity contest. |
| 16:05.40 | karlpinc | fpat: It's just that common. (Although I seem to recall pppoe being in the installer some years ago. Could be wrong.) |
| 16:05.52 | karlpinc | "It's just _not_ that common." |
| 16:06.27 | karlpinc | fpat: The cds and dvds are primarily for off-network installation. |
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| 16:07.57 | mefistofeles | Now I wonder if my problem is related to iDRAC https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/373943/ssh-wont-work-before-manually-restarting-networking-service |
| 16:08.06 | mefistofeles | since this is a poweredge server with iDRAC running |
| 16:08.45 | Gigglebyte | I have installed Debian, and wondering if I need to reinstall the System76 drivers? I am on a System76 Oryx Pro. |
| 16:08.51 | fpat | i am not sure, tbh |
| 16:11.16 | Gigglebyte | System76 advises that they never tested the drivers with Debian. They only test the drivers with POP_os! (Ubuntu with a label) and gnome. I got rid of it because gnome was a mess and xfce didn't work that well with Pop. Additionally the keyboard and mouse pad were a big mess. However, I have some new problems since installing Debian. The backlit keyboard won't shut off and gives of a blue neon light, and I lost control |
| 16:11.16 | Gigglebyte | over screen brightness. None of the F keys work any longer. However, there are no longer stability issues with the keyboard and mouse pad, and overall the ability to use the laptop is greatly improved. Will installing the drivers fix these other problesm? |
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| 16:47.57 | egrain | i have 3 partitions and a lot of empty space on sdb. so i thought why not use the empty space with cryptsetup /dev/sdb -o [offsetafterpartion] to make a hidden encrypted partition. but it says sdb is already mounted. which i can understand of course, but how do i hide the partition then? |
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| 16:53.46 | GNU\colossus | egrain, you can use device mapper to turn arbitrary ranges of blocks on a device into block devices of their own |
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| 16:54.04 | GNU\colossus | (I forgot the details, but `man dmsetup` should be an OK start :)) |
| 16:54.19 | egrain | GNU\colossus, thanks a bunch. i'll take a look. |
| 16:54.33 | jelly | egrain: umount them temporarily? |
| 16:55.18 | egrain | jelly, /dev/sdb1 is root. can i just unmount that temporarely? |
| 16:55.25 | egrain | i |
| 16:55.26 | karlpinc | egrain: You might consider your threat model. Generally, security by obscurity is not particularly useful. It may be eaiser to just make a partition and use LUKS. |
| 16:55.31 | jelly | nope |
| 16:55.39 | egrain | thought so. |
| 16:56.02 | jelly | obscurity is useful, just not very much |
| 16:56.09 | karlpinc | jelly: agreed |
| 16:56.21 | egrain | jelly, i need plausible deniability. first thing i learned in internet school. |
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| 17:04.06 | unmy | egrain, that should give you some hintch: https://www.linuxvoice.com/hidden-encrypted-volumes-keep-data-safe-and-secret/ |
| 17:04.39 | unmy | read it twice and be sure you wont destroy your data :P |
| 17:04.46 | egrain | i think it's dmsetup create /dev/sdb [--readahead [+]sectors|auto|none] though i'm not sure. --readahead and the sector where the unallocated sectors start? |
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| 17:11.53 | egrain | unmy, that's very kind of you, but i don't see how any of that is necessary in the setup they suggest. If i have to make a partition covering the whole drive, i can just do that without all the dding in the beginning. just make the partition. unmount it. i do cryptsetup --plain. the article isn't helpign me. thank you though. |
| 17:12.50 | egrain | i have sdb1 and 3 mounted. and a lot of unallocated space. now i want to cryptsetup /dev/sdb -o [sector hwere unallocated space starts] open --type plain SUCCESS! if i do that though it says /dev/sdb is already mounted. |
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| 17:15.03 | unmy | egrain, you didn't read it at all, after all you got there "clear" partition which cover full space but with hiden/masked encrypted space which nobody will be abble to notice that even exist |
| 17:15.48 | egrain | but i don't want that. i want to partition the unused space. not create partitions on top of partitions. |
| 17:16.37 | egrain | wait that wasn't clear enough. i want to cryptsetup open -o unusedspace. |
| 17:18.04 | vfw | egrain: You can not do it on unused space, only on partitions. |
| 17:19.16 | egrain | vfw, that's not true. you can do it, you just can't have partitions on the device mounted. didn't you tell me that over at arch? or are there two of you now? |
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| 17:20.23 | vfw | Yes, that's me on arch |
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| 17:23.08 | egrain | well, great to see you aren't a distributionist. |
| 17:23.19 | egrain | anyway, dmsetup create doesn't work either, because: Name "/dev/sdb" invalid. It contains "/". |
| 17:23.39 | egrain | oh, wait, i think / means in the name not / as in root. llalala, my bad. |
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| 17:25.29 | egrain | i wish i was better at reading man pages. |
| 17:25.41 | pfred1 | I wish man pages were written better |
| 17:26.26 | pfred1 | GNU favors their info system over man pages |
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| 17:29.43 | egrain | pfred1, i do have to say here i like the archwiki. though they have no dmsetup page unfortunately. |
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| 17:33.24 | pfred1 | egrain arch does have some pretty extensive documentation |
| 17:33.25 | vfw | archwiki's are usually pretty good and usually have adequate detal. |
| 17:33.39 | pfred1 | I guess because they need it :) |
| 17:33.48 | vfw | yep |
| 17:34.16 | vfw | But, most linux users are eager to learn - it's a good thing. |
| 17:34.19 | egrain | i actually find apt-get more complicated than pacman. i still have no idea how to see what packages i have installed or even how to search for them. |
| 17:34.51 | pfred1 | vfw I am on the fence with the whole learning deal I tend to have to learn at inconvenient for me times |
| 17:34.53 | vfw | egrain: apt has those features too |
| 17:35.10 | egrain | is there liek a howto for it? |
| 17:35.43 | pfred1 | Debian's package manager is second to none but not everything gets installed by default |
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| 17:36.08 | egrain | is there a comparison i can read somewhere? because as i said, so far i find pacman wayyyyyy simpler. |
| 17:36.57 | vfw | egrain: but there are also dpkg commands |
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| 17:37.17 | farruinn | aptitude is very powerful. Anything you want to do is only a google search away |
| 17:37.18 | egrain | see? now i have to remember apt-get and dpkg. |
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| 17:37.35 | vfw | and apt-cache |
| 17:37.42 | pfred1 | rdepends |
| 17:37.56 | pfred1 | apt-file |
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| 17:39.56 | egrain | pacman -Ss and pacman -S (yu). was all i know back when i started out and it was sufficient, especially when i used |grep on top of it. but this apt thing. update and upgrade i know. but that doesn't really tell me what i've installed or how to search for packages. |
| 17:40.04 | egrain | knew |
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| 17:40.56 | pfred1 | egrain there's searching for what's installed then there's searching for what is in the repo |
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| 17:41.20 | vfw | but some of it is redundant. 'apt list --install' will show all installed packages and you can pipe it to grep with key words |
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| 17:41.45 | pfred1 | dpkg -l shows what's installed doesn't it? |
| 17:41.45 | dpkg | No packages found matching shows what's installed doesn't it |
| 17:41.49 | Sia- | hi, we have a small issue in kuridish keyboard in all linux distros. Where can report this bug or issue and get an answer 100%. i've tried Xorg and ubuntu launchpad no answer at all. |
| 17:41.56 | vfw | sorry, it's --installed not --install |
| 17:42.38 | pfred1 | usually you want to see what package you need to install though |
| 17:43.08 | vfw | pfred1: Yes, dpkg -l (a redundancy, but simple and less typing). |
| 17:43.12 | egrain | how do i search for packages? |
| 17:43.25 | pfred1 | there's apt-cache and apt-file |
| 17:43.34 | vfw | apt search <pkg-name> |
| 17:43.48 | pfred1 | yeah or aptitude search |
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| 17:44.23 | egrain | vfw, thanks so much. since i run into this apt thing regularly i'm really grateful for now knowing how to use it. |
| 17:44.49 | vfw | Oh yea, there is also aptitude. There are a number of redundancies. Overall, it is fairly intuitive. |
| 17:45.26 | pfred1 | meh I usually have ot look up how to do stuffs |
| 17:45.37 | egrain | oh, another thing. what's with the kernel stocking in /boot? whenever i update one, it doesn't remove the old file but keeps filling up the /boot/ partition. |
| 17:45.54 | farruinn | egrain: so you can roll back if the new one doesn't work for you? |
| 17:45.55 | pfred1 | you can remove old unused kernels |
| 17:46.00 | vfw | pfred1: Yea, and remember; Google is your friend ;) |
| 17:46.15 | egrain | how do i remove the old ones? i just tried apt-get auto-remove but boot is still filled. |
| 17:46.18 | pfred1 | I just axed one here the other day that I figured I don't need |
| 17:46.52 | pfred1 | I used apt-get remove then the full package name |
| 17:46.58 | farruinn | egrain: aptitude search "~i linux-image" will tell you which kernel packages you have installed |
| 17:46.59 | egrain | anyway, here pacman is also better. it stores the old stuff somewhere /pacman/pkg or something, and not on the boot partiton. |
| 17:47.09 | farruinn | egrain: ~i tells aptitude to search only installed packages |
| 17:48.17 | pfred1 | dpkg -l linux* |
| 17:48.17 | dpkg | No packages found matching linux* |
| 17:48.25 | pfred1 | annoying bot |
| 17:49.05 | Sia- | any idea ladies and gentleman? |
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| 17:56.56 | farruinn | Sia-: I probably can't help with the keyboard thing, but it's better to be specific about the issue. |
| 17:59.05 | Sia- | farruinn is just a small change, we have indicarabic number not arabic. Who is responsible for this? |
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| 18:19.48 | SerajewelKS | egrain: there's also packages.debian.org for more in-depth searches of package contents |
| 18:19.55 | SerajewelKS | apt-file can do some of that but requires storing an index on your system |
| 18:21.13 | egrain | thanks, SerajewelKS. i do need everything terminal based though. usually the apt people don't have specific needs and are easily to shut up via update and upgrade. |
| 18:23.52 | SerajewelKS | yeah. so apt-cache will let you search package names and summaries, while apt-file will let you search the contents of packages for specifically-named files. |
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| 18:33.48 | pfred1 | learning package management is the key to operational success |
| 18:34.13 | pfred1 | just knowing there is a way is a good start |
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| 19:44.49 | Delta706 | Can anyone recommend a good package for a neural network on a standard PC which has clear documentation on what it can do? I read that a neural network has been used to identify cat pictures. Is that possible with a standard computer or would I need to build a Google-style supercomputer? |
| 19:46.28 | jhutchins | ,v keepass2 |
| 19:46.29 | judd | Package: keepass2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.19+dfsg-2; jessie: 2.28+dfsg-1; stretch: 2.35+dfsg-2; buster: 2.39.1+dfsg-1; sid: 2.39.1+dfsg-1 |
| 19:46.36 | [SushiIMeal] | google's neural network recognizing black as gorilla |
| 19:46.45 | [SushiIMeal] | black ppl* |
| 19:46.48 | [SushiIMeal] | :D |
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| 19:54.49 | [SushiIMeal] | that's how computer learned mythomania |
| 19:54.57 | [SushiIMeal] | :Ã |
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| 19:59.06 | SerajewelKS | Delta706: usually the problem is not really the computational power, but having a sufficiently large set of training images that the result is statistically meaningful |
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| 19:59.25 | SerajewelKS | Delta706: having said that, there's some open source python utilities for doing exactly this |
| 20:01.23 | [SushiIMeal] | in short this is a bunch of reading/comaprisons for a lil write |
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| 20:23.35 | Delta706 | Serajewelks: Is there a package you could recommend? |
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| 20:28.18 | SerajewelKS | Delta706: i don't think it's in debian, but look up TensorFlow |
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| 20:29.18 | MarioMey | Hello, there. I connected my Genius WizardPen 4x3 to Debian 9... and it doesn't work. |
| 20:29.33 | MarioMey | lsusb says: "Bus 006 Device 003: ID 5543:0003 UC-Logic Technology Corp. Tablet WP4030U" |
| 20:30.03 | MarioMey | I do: sudo "usbhid-dump -es -m 5543:0003" and I get data from pen. |
| 20:30.06 | MarioMey | So, it's working. |
| 20:30.10 | MarioMey | But cursor doesn't work. |
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| 20:30.38 | MarioMey | Then, I download digimend-dkms_8_all.deb from https://github.com/DIGImend/digimend-kernel-drivers/releases. I installed it and rebooted. I connect the tablet... and nothing. |
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| 20:34.45 | MarioMey | I'm rebooting... |
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| 20:42.58 | klys | hi, I am trying to understand this: https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnectionsProxyArp |
| 20:43.13 | klys | and the example provided doesn't look to me like a bridge. |
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| 20:47.25 | AeCEgGfTv5 | does the VLC from offical debian repository play MKV/x264 etc? |
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| 20:51.29 | Delta706 | AeCEgG: I just tried it. It played a mkv fine for me |
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| 20:54.00 | algun | hey 3 times today my deb froze |
| 20:54.21 | pfred1 | algun that'd be great it's been pretty hot here |
| 20:54.27 | algun | as in became totally unresponsive |
| 20:55.08 | pfred1 | i wish my PC would freeze some |
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| 20:55.10 | algun | mous pointer stuck keyboard input ignored same image |
| 20:55.17 | algun | on the screen |
| 20:55.30 | algun | got ideas? just rebooted |
| 20:55.39 | pfred1 | might want to run htop and see what is going on |
| 20:56.03 | pfred1 | see if some process starts consuming 100% of resources |
| 20:56.15 | SerajewelKS | klys: it's a layer 3 bridge, not layer 2 |
| 20:56.28 | SerajewelKS | kernel bridge interfaces are layer 2 bridges |
| 20:56.30 | algun | i cant. as i said frozen |
| 20:56.42 | pfred1 | you start htop then wait for it to freeze |
| 20:56.55 | SerajewelKS | algun: can you ssh in from another computer, or CTRL+ALT+F1 |
| 20:57.01 | algun | it takes a long time |
| 20:57.02 | klys | serajewelks, can you identify the default gw in this example? |
| 20:57.05 | pfred1 | or can't you even boot? |
| 20:57.27 | algun | SerajewelKS: i cant ctrl alt f1 no input |
| 20:57.47 | algun | it wrks now pfred1 |
| 20:57.51 | pfred1 | reisub? |
| 20:57.55 | SerajewelKS | klys: i don't know why that would be important. layer 3 bridging and a gateways are orthogonal concepts |
| 20:58.02 | algun | wat |
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| 20:58.11 | pfred1 | http://blog.kember.net/articles/reisub-the-gentle-linux-restart/ |
| 20:58.19 | klys | serajewelks, then I am kind of lost looking at this stuff |
| 20:58.30 | SerajewelKS | algun: ("no input" can mean one of any things. CTRL+ALT+F1 is handled directly by X, not the window manager, so an unresponsive desktop environment can sometimes still be escaped this way.) |
| 20:58.41 | SerajewelKS | klys: maybe it's an XY problem? what are you trying to do? |
| 20:58.57 | pfred1 | it is like a laxitive for your PC |
| 20:59.00 | klys | serajewelks, something like this, https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/446795/is-promiscuous-mode-needed-for-proxy-arp |
| 20:59.03 | algun | SerajewelKS: i tried it. no input |
| 20:59.39 | algun | and i think htop wuldn show anything |
| 20:59.47 | SerajewelKS | klys: that doesn't really answer my question. what is your goal? |
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| 21:00.02 | algun | unless the spike is gradually curved |
| 21:00.15 | pfred1 | not showing anything would be showing something |
| 21:00.30 | klys | sarajewelks, from the page, "Aparently, it is not possible to bridge ethernet frames between wireless in client mode and ethernet. e.g. It wont work." |
| 21:00.31 | pfred1 | then you'd know it is not a run away process |
| 21:00.54 | algun | im pretty sure |
| 21:00.59 | SerajewelKS | klys: right. that's still too close, back up a bit. why do you need to do that? |
| 21:01.05 | pfred1 | is your system thermal throttling? |
| 21:01.09 | SerajewelKS | are you trying to bridge to a VPN or something, using a wireless client? |
| 21:01.17 | algun | dont think so |
| 21:01.44 | klys | serajewelks, taking a look at /etc/qemu-ifup it wants something on the default |
| 21:01.49 | pfred1 | you need to check to make sure |
| 21:01.51 | algun | gnome tracker running |
| 21:02.01 | algun | ithought i tol i o btho |
| 21:02.03 | SerajewelKS | klys: oh, bridging a virtual machine to the network on a wifi client? |
| 21:02.20 | algun | told i° |
| 21:02.21 | klys | serajewelks, I am told proxy-arp can do this for me. |
| 21:02.35 | algun | IT |
| 21:02.38 | algun | sry mobile |
| 21:02.47 | algun | klys how |
| 21:02.54 | SerajewelKS | klys: right. so the gateway is irrelevant here. |
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| 21:03.11 | SerajewelKS | klys: e.g. if the layer 3 bridge is working then the qemu VM would be able to reach your DHCP server and auto-configure. |
| 21:03.12 | klys | serajewelks, will I have to change the file /etc/qemu-ifup ? |
| 21:03.51 | SerajewelKS | klys: i don't know. you might ask ##networking instead, there's probably more people hanging around who have done obscure things like this. |
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| 21:04.07 | algun | btw how do i sort in top |
| 21:04.13 | algun | its unintuitive |
| 21:04.15 | SerajewelKS | algun: < and > change the sort column |
| 21:04.18 | algun | by cpu i mean |
| 21:04.20 | SerajewelKS | it's sorted on CPU% by default |
| 21:04.50 | SerajewelKS | algun: when in doubt, man top |
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| 21:04.59 | SerajewelKS | the docs exist for a reason |
| 21:05.02 | MarioMey | Hi again. |
| 21:05.25 | MarioMey | I still can't use my WizardPen. |
| 21:05.39 | algun | SerajewelKS: i used to. im sick of it |
| 21:06.09 | algun | cant evensee the column b which it issorted |
| 21:06.16 | algun | worst |
| 21:06.18 | SerajewelKS | if reading documentation makes you sick then you may want to switch to another operating system |
| 21:06.41 | algun | wiseguy been using this one for a decade |
| 21:06.53 | algun | still don know top though |
| 21:07.47 | SerajewelKS | i'm just saying, if your reaction to "the answer is readily available in the documentation" is dismissive then you're not going to get many people scrambling to help you |
| 21:08.53 | algun | thats not all nor is that necessarily true. others may agree that top is unintuitive |
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| 21:09.26 | SerajewelKS | they may agree but the documentation is still there, is accurate, and answers your question |
| 21:09.35 | algun | its special alright. or where else do you use lt gt to choose smth |
| 21:10.00 | algun | it was like that the last 10 time i read it too SerajewelKS |
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| 21:10.12 | SerajewelKS | fun fact: pressing ? in top tells you everything you probably care about |
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| 21:11.17 | SerajewelKS | i'm not saying it's intuitive, i'm saying make some effort to learn the tools you are using beyond asking IRC how to do simple things that are clearly documented |
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| 21:11.40 | SerajewelKS | that's all i'm going to say about it |
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| 21:12.16 | algun | youre being obtuse. i said multiple times that i forget. its not that i didnt read or didnt know at some points |
| 21:12.47 | at0m | i forget too. thank the nix gods for man pages. |
| 21:13.09 | at0m | they remember in my place :) |
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| 21:15.12 | algun | not obtus ignorant maybe |
| 21:15.59 | algun | at0m i challeng you to fin that piece of info and count the steps (misses too) |
| 21:16.13 | SerajewelKS | i even gave you the answer you were asking for. then when i suggested that the answer was in the docs, your reaction was that you're "sick" of reading docs. then you went on to complain that top is unintuitive. |
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| 21:16.28 | algun | then tell me if after a decade of doing that you wouldnt mind |
| 21:16.49 | SerajewelKS | i've been doing that for ~20 years |
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| 21:17.16 | SerajewelKS | my first reaction to not remembering something isn't to ask IRC then complain, it's to read the docs. then check google. *then* ask IRC. |
| 21:17.31 | algun | n i sid i wa sick of doing man top in particular |
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| 21:17.32 | SerajewelKS | and i _even gave you the answer_ |
| 21:18.08 | algun | ypu overgeneralized. i explained. and you still insist |
| 21:18.19 | algun | i used your answer thanks |
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| 21:18.41 | lembron | hi, whats the deal on "/etc/localtime vs /etc/timezone" ? - i got a host with "utc" for the one, and "europe/paris" for the other - and wonder whats the deal with this... (as in "is the stock image wrong?") |
| 21:19.13 | algun | or at least i think i did. no indicator next to cpu column but it is sorted afaics |
| 21:19.29 | SerajewelKS | lembron: /etc/localtime is a symlink, is it pointing at the UTC timezone file? |
| 21:19.52 | SerajewelKS | lembron: or which specific file is it pointing at? |
| 21:19.53 | algun | moral of the story is that tops the worst |
| 21:20.20 | SerajewelKS | so use htop |
| 21:20.21 | lembron | SerajewelKS yep zoneinfo/Etc/UTC, and im okay with that and what it does - my concern is the europe part in there |
| 21:20.24 | SerajewelKS | or literally one of a dozen other tools |
| 21:20.50 | algun | wiseguy smh |
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| 21:21.34 | algun | tracker at 90+ % |
| 21:21.39 | lembron | so Q: is kinda "should i change /etc/timezone to the UTC as well?" or is there a good reason for it to remain related to server-location |
| 21:22.07 | SerajewelKS | lembron: they may have fallen out of sync with each other. "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" should fix both. |
| 21:22.17 | SerajewelKS | you may need to restart some services for them to pick up the change |
| 21:22.39 | algun | trackerâminerâf (smths missing tops cuttin it off an its an unresponsive tui) |
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| 21:23.25 | algun | correction its resšonsive. it just likes cutting off the last column anyway |
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| 21:24.31 | SerajewelKS | wait, is this debian? tracker-miner-fs isn't automatically installed on debian, i thought. |
| 21:24.40 | algun | i should read up on top history. this is obiously not a proper nix tool |
| 21:26.01 | algun | SerajewelKS: i said it was deb. couldve installe th pkg myself though idrecall |
| 21:26.14 | lembron | SerajewelKS k, so "its wrong" / maybe sync a missed thing in the hosters stock image ((ovh, they used to deliver things as french, so it wouldnt wonder me ;D)) - and a `dpkg-reconfigure tzdata` indeed "fixes that" |
| 21:26.16 | lembron | tyvm =) |
| 21:26.27 | SerajewelKS | np |
| 21:27.25 | algun | tryin to remove the pkg doesnt try to remove gnome metapkg |
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| 21:29.48 | algun | i asked gnomwrs about tracker and disabled stuff. still misbehaving. i gues ill remove it then |
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| 21:31.32 | algun | actually would like a freeze with it around 100% first. hard to beliwve x would not respond bcu o it |
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| 21:32.51 | algun | clarification: asked gnomers in the past |
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| 21:37.13 | AeCEgGfTv5 | does gnome 3 come with a task bar (without extensions)? |
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| 21:40.35 | ilCyx86_64 | I'm having issues on a Debian testing system with Gnome3... I no longer can get a Gnome on Wayland session... choosing the correct option from Gnome's login still results in x11. Any ideas? It just stopped working for no reason a while ago |
| 21:41.13 | dvs | !debian-next |
| 21:41.13 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 21:42.16 | ilCyx86_64 | I know, I know... just wondering if anyone had any insight |
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| 22:11.13 | orekix | is it possible to pass the root password for mariadb to packages that use dbconfig-common or do I have to configure their databases manually after installing them? |
| 22:11.22 | orekix | phpmyadmin and roundcube to be specific |
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| 22:20.18 | netcrash | Hello, does anyone have any ideas on cheap solution to loadbalance with fail safe for a small network? |
| 22:20.31 | netcrash | load balance between 3 ISP |
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| 22:26.50 | Brigo | netcrash, maybe bonding interfaces |
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| 22:46.27 | at0m | netcrash: got money to spend on a router? these are pretty cheap and have great support https://help.ubnt.com/hc/en-us/articles/205145990-EdgeRouter-Dual-WAN-Load-Balance-Feature "load-balance between [up to] 8 interfaces" |
| 22:47.27 | at0m | on top, their OS is based on debian, so if you're familiar with that =) |
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| 23:01.22 | netcrash | at0m: thank you |
| 23:01.50 | netcrash | at0m: do you know this one https://www.tp-link.com/us/products/details/cat-4910_TL-R470T+.html ? Know if it-s any good? |
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| 23:38.18 | sanctus | Debian porn ,, ahhhh!!! |
| 23:38.24 | hassoon | ? |
| 23:40.33 | at0m | netcrash: in many years of tplink, i've had maybe one software update. i've seen a couple in under a year with ubnt. on top, that ubnt is supported by openwrt/lede, so will enjoy long support. |
| 23:41.54 | sanctus | Why is Debian so slow ? packages are old! is that a security thing ? |
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| 23:42.39 | hassoon | sanctus: that's wisdom |
| 23:43.03 | sanctus | ahh ok :) |
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