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| 03:12.01 | cfoch | Hello |
| 03:12.54 | cfoch | is it normal if the dev-sda1.device takes 5.110s to load at boot time? |
| 03:13.39 | cfoch | I've read of a guy that got its full system booting up in just 4 seconds |
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| 04:18.46 | zumba | hi folks. I'm running apt-get update but I'm not sure if getting this error will affect something. Maybe I added a ppa few weeks ago - https://pastebin.com/PTdzMPy8 |
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| 04:21.37 | zumba | do I just manually remove it from soures.list.d? |
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| 04:24.56 | zumba | mv ~noob* apt-get update worked now withour error |
| 04:25.12 | zumba | i mean mv noob* ~ |
| 04:26.36 | zumba | what about "Package 'docker-ce' has no installation candidate" on debian wheezy? |
| 04:27.45 | zumba | found this - https://docs.docker.com/install/linux/docker-ce/debian/#set-up-the-repository |
| 04:32.22 | zumba | i'm good now, docker-ce installed |
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| 04:52.12 | zumba | What are your thoughts on putting your services in docker containers in production? Is it ready? |
| 04:52.35 | zumba | Just saw this "Docker on Debian is major no-go: There is a wide range of bugs in the AUFS driver (but not only), usually crashing the host, potentially corrupting the data, and thatâs just the tip of the iceberg." |
| 04:52.45 | zumba | from https://thehftguy.com/2017/02/23/docker-in-production-an-update/ |
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| 06:54.44 | rakor | Is there a way to control the currently running mediaplayer (spotify) from the screensaver in Gnome? In cinnamon there is an integration in the screensaver. |
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| 06:59.19 | pantato | so I kinda screwed up a sid upgrade and lost packages that apparently are needed for my sound output device |
| 06:59.28 | pantato | anyone know the magic meta package for me to install? |
| 06:59.44 | pantato | alsamixer launches...but gnome settings just show a dummy output device |
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| 07:43.58 | pantato | gchcetiH: i screwed up and edited my sources.list incorrectly in an attempt to upgrade from debian stretch to debian sid, then ran auto remove. Upon resolving the sources.list mistake and running dist-upgrade, then rebooting, i lost my sound output device(s) in my gnome sound settings. Alsamixer is installed and running. lspci shows the correct audio device, but there doesn't appear to be the correct software to utilize |
| 07:44.05 | pantato | woops didn't mean to include that user name |
| 07:44.18 | pantato | can someone help me with this problem? i *really* don't want to reinstall tonight |
| 07:44.41 | BCMM | pantato: is Pulse running? |
| 07:45.06 | pantato | BCMM: when I run alsamixer it says pulse is the output device, i think. So I'm thinking it's running |
| 07:45.44 | pantato | BCMM: pulseaudio --check yields no ouput, so yes |
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| 07:52.21 | BCMM | pantato: what does `aplay -l` show? |
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| 07:52.40 | BCMM | (i.e. a check that the sound card exists as an alsa device, not just as a pci device) |
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| 07:59.14 | pantato | BCMM: it appears to show pch hdmi |
| 07:59.22 | pantato | BCMM: I think that is correct? |
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| 08:00.08 | pantato | BCMM: after installing some random packages i was able to get a couple of unitek y-247a devices to appear in the sound settings but they aren't it |
| 08:00.37 | BCMM | that would be typical for a machine with onboard intel audio + an hdmi port, yes... |
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| 08:04.29 | ayekat | hullo... I just noticed that the systemd user session on debian either hardcodes XDG_CONFIG_HOME to ~/.config, or is started *before* processing pam_env for the user |
| 08:05.11 | JustASlacker | meh |
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| 08:05.22 | ayekat | unfortunately I'm a bit lost in that jungle of /etc/pam.d files and the user@.service file (et al), so... could anyone give me some pointers to where I can look to fix this? |
| 08:06.22 | JustASlacker | did you check /etc/default ? probably not in there but you never know |
| 08:06.48 | ayekat | actually, systemctl --user show-environment tells me that indeed the user session is started before processing pam_env.so (none of the variables are set) |
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| 08:07.04 | no_gravity | Good Morning |
| 08:07.04 | ayekat | JustASlacker: thanks, I'll check there |
| 08:07.22 | JustASlacker | just a shoot in the dark |
| 08:07.27 | JustASlacker | shot even |
| 08:07.30 | no_gravity | In the terminal, is there an easy way to let the user edit one or more strings? |
| 08:07.53 | no_gravity | Some shell program that kinda turns an html form into a terminal form or something? |
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| 08:08.43 | JustASlacker | are you looking for a terminal brwoser? w3m is kinda good |
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| 08:09.19 | no_gravity | JustASlacker: Not really a browser. In my shell script, I want to let the user edit some strings. |
| 08:09.28 | ayekat | JustASlacker: there isn't anything related in the /etc/default files, unfortunately :-| |
| 08:09.42 | ayekat | I'll ask on #systemd - maybe they know where this is handled |
| 08:09.48 | no_gravity | Like name: Joe___ age: _28 city: ____ |
| 08:09.54 | ayekat | thanks anyway ^^ |
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| 08:16.56 | Orbstheorem | Hello, where can I find an example package using the '3.0 (git)' format? |
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| 08:20.55 | Nazcafan | hi, why/how doesn't apt-get auto-remove doesn't apply to old versions of linux-image-xxx-blah package? My undersrtanding is that they were automatically installed so should be taken care of when a new version is used as a dependency of linux-image-xxx |
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| 08:23.59 | Orbstheorem | Nazcafan: afaik, the current system image won't be removed, and I'm not sure whether a couple of previous version of the kernel image are kept "Just in case" (versions in the recovery menu on grub?). I don't know how to change this |
| 08:25.43 | Nazcafan | Orbstheorem: I am happy with this state of affairs, as the kernel is critical enough that I'd rather delete versions manually when I feel comfortable, but I'd like to understand how apt-get overrides the auto-installed + no reverse dependency rule for specifically those packages |
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| 08:43.06 | no_gravity | I wonder if I can let the user 'cancel' somehow if I use vim to let them edit a string. |
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| 08:53.53 | ayekat | alright, I learned that for the PAM files, `systemd --user` follows a different path than the login shell, and pam_env.so was not actually loaded in too late, but not at all |
| 08:54.34 | ayekat | adding session required pam_env.so user_readenv=1 in /etc/pam.d/systemd-user (before the pam_systemd.so line) fixed this for me |
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| 09:26.03 | yctn | a machine with debian is not booting i end up in grub rescue error: unknown filesystem with ls (hd) i can view the disklayout just fine. i already ran fsck on the partition. how should i proceed? |
| 09:28.27 | yctn | correction. with ls i get on every partition unknown filesystem |
| 09:34.47 | soul-d | inspect it with a workinging system /live cd then probably prepare a new disk for data rescue |
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| 09:36.17 | soul-d | if disk sounds fine you might be able to get some smart data see if it reports a hardware failure there |
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| 09:37.12 | soul-d | assuming its platter disk |
| 09:37.38 | yctn | soul-d yes its platter disk no ssd, i can mount and read the disk just fine using a live cd |
| 09:38.43 | soul-d | maybe you updated and one of those automated grub update script failed ? |
| 09:39.07 | yctn | soul-d no i didnt ran any updates the machine just went down while running |
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| 09:39.43 | yctn | soul-d i would say if i can read the disk just fien when mounting i should be able to get it to boot right? from the grub rescue? |
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| 09:40.49 | soul-d | mmm |
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| 09:41.51 | soul-d | first gues would be corruption of data , but if you ran server with services to internet maybe box got compromised? |
| 09:42.16 | yctn | soul-d yeah i think corruption of data is a possebility yes |
| 09:42.17 | soul-d | nothing in dmesg or other logs |
| 09:42.21 | soul-d | ? |
| 09:43.14 | yctn | soul-d hmm the /var folder is gone |
| 09:44.07 | yctn | soul-d i gues a reinstall would be a good idea |
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| 09:45.33 | soul-d | still would be nice to figure out why though |
| 09:46.00 | yctn | soul-d yeah true but how |
| 09:46.07 | soul-d | id have hard time trusting the same disk if it was corruption |
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| 09:50.38 | soul-d | some hardware stress test might be good blender (3d app) now has a stand alone benchmark thingy (500mb ~ though ) |
| 09:50.49 | soul-d | and maybe the basic memory tests etc |
| 09:52.58 | fpat | you could take one or multiple tests from the phoronix test suite |
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| 10:04.16 | blackflow | there's sysbench, no need for moronix or blender. |
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| 10:09.28 | fpat | blackflow: why do you disrespect the phoronix test suite? |
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| 10:13.29 | blackflow | fpat: because it's a joke, unscientific tests for fun and profit with no value. |
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| 10:14.13 | fpat | thats a lot of hot air which you blow out to talk bad about the work of somebody else. where is your work when i may ask? |
| 10:15.14 | fpat | only scientific work, of course |
| 10:15.22 | blackflow | you're in the wrong chan for this discussion. I think you need #idontcarewhatyouthink |
| 10:15.36 | fpat | blackflow: says who? |
| 10:17.11 | fpat | you did not even manage to get a project cloak nor can you name any project which you work on |
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| 11:02.17 | tobra | Hello Iâm trying to troubleshoopt what's probably a faulty HD. Currently I have `mount /dev/mapper/videos /media/tobra/data2` returning: "mount: /dev/mapper/videos: can't read superblock" |
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| 11:41.11 | Orbstheorem | Hello, I have a python library with no installation script. I want to package it for debian, I want it to be uninstallable in a clean manner. I'm not so convinced about the setup.py since it's a free script. Are there other ways to package my library or setuptools is the way to go? |
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| 11:44.29 | themill | is it an application or a module? |
| 11:45.58 | darxmurf | hum, how to get the error code of a loop like: while read xyz; do...; done < <(command) |
| 11:46.00 | Orbstheorem | Both: a library with two applications (client/server) |
| 11:46.01 | darxmurf | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:46.04 | Orbstheorem | themill: ^^ |
| 11:46.12 | darxmurf | my command is a mysql batch query |
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| 11:46.52 | Orbstheorem | themill: I have three directories: /proot/src/my_lib, /proot/src/my_server, /proot/src/myclient |
| 11:46.55 | themill | Orbstheorem: making a simple setup.py makes the most sense then. It would only be 15 lines or so and you can contribute it back to the project |
| 11:47.10 | Orbstheorem | (It's my project ^^( |
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| 11:47.23 | themill | 2 birds, 1 stone. |
| 11:47.27 | darxmurf | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:48.47 | themill | darxmurf: not entirely an answer to your question, but this is normally the point where I realise I should have written it in something else. |
| 11:49.57 | darxmurf | thanks :D |
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| 11:51.24 | moldy | hi |
| 11:52.22 | moldy | any idea how to recover from this? https://dpaste.de/jJga |
| 11:52.44 | darxmurf | moldy: apt-get install -f |
| 11:52.48 | moldy | a dirty fix would be fine, too, i am probably going to reinstall the box soon anyway. but right now i'd like to be able to install debian packages :) |
| 11:53.18 | moldy | darxmurf: https://dpaste.de/HKc7 |
| 11:53.38 | moldy | darxmurf: same with apt-get instead of apt |
| 11:53.56 | darxmurf | did you run apt-get update before ? |
| 11:54.01 | themill | darxmurf: https://mywiki.wooledge.org/ProcessSubstitution ; there are other ways you can get it by printf $? within the <(â¦) |
| 11:54.21 | moldy | darxmurf: yup |
| 11:54.29 | darxmurf | themill: I'll have a look thanks ! |
| 11:54.41 | darxmurf | moldy: did you install/try to install something specific ? |
| 11:54.56 | darxmurf | or an obscure downloaded package ? |
| 11:55.02 | themill | darxmurf: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/176703 is the other commonish pattern |
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| 11:55.43 | themill | moldy: sounds like an interesting mixture of jessie and stretch you have there |
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| 12:03.09 | moldy | themill: yup |
| 12:03.46 | moldy | themill: how did you see that? :) |
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| 12:04.49 | themill | only locales in stretch has «Depends: libc-bin (>> 2.24),» as reported there and that would only not be satisfied in the case of a mixture with jessie. |
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| 12:05.58 | moldy | themill: i see :) |
| 12:06.05 | moldy | themill: any idea how to recover from this? |
| 12:09.50 | darxmurf | what did you do exactly to end up in this situation ? |
| 12:12.52 | moldy | darxmurf: no idea ;) |
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| 12:13.56 | moldy | blew the dust off an old box i haven't used in some time, ran a dist upgrade |
| 12:14.19 | themill | !show sources.list |
| 12:14.19 | dpkg | Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*} |
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| 12:15.56 | moldy | themill: https://dpaste.de/pjf5 sources.list.d is empty |
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| 12:16.27 | jak2000 | hi all |
| 12:16.33 | jelly | dpkg, ping |
| 12:16.33 | dpkg | Sorry jelly, you're not online. |
| 12:16.50 | themill | moldy: what does "apt-cache policy" say? |
| 12:17.34 | jak2000 | i have 2 pcs both configured same, sources.list and network point to sam egateway same dns-nameserver.... both do ping to 8.8.8.8 but 1, not work: aptupdate, any advice how to fix? |
| 12:17.44 | moldy | themill: https://dpaste.de/CCH6 |
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| 12:18.49 | themill | moldy: that's all uncontroversial. Does "aptitude upgrade" manage to do anything? If it gets stuck, how about "aptitude full-upgrade"? |
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| 12:24.33 | moldy | themill: trying |
| 12:28.08 | moldy | seems to take quite a while :) |
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| 12:29.22 | darxmurf | moldy: did you directly run dist-upgrade or apt-get upgrade before ? |
| 12:31.46 | jak2000 | any advice why: https://imgur.com/a/0PBNZeM why cant update? |
| 12:34.06 | moldy | darxmurf: i ran it various times, cannot reproduce what exactly caused the current state |
| 12:35.01 | jelly | jak2000: is interface and link up on the "bad" machine? |
| 12:35.38 | jelly | jak2000: look at "ip a" and "ip r" or "ifconfig -a" and "route -n" output |
| 12:37.22 | BCMM | jak2000: it sounds like maybe you have an internet connection, but no working DNS server |
| 12:37.40 | BCMM | jak2000: you said you can ping 8.8.8.8, but can you `ping google.com` |
| 12:37.42 | BCMM | ? |
| 12:39.10 | BCMM | also, is one of your "PCs" a bare-metal install, and the other one a VM? |
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| 12:41.24 | BCMM | jelly: anyway, check the contents of /etc/resolv.conf on both machines, to confirm that DNS settings have actually been applied |
| 12:41.33 | BCMM | sorry, i meant to highlight jak2000 ^ |
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| 12:52.37 | Orbstheorem | I still haven't figured out how can I tell the `setup.py` script that I need 3 outputs |
| 12:52.41 | Orbstheorem | :( |
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| 12:54.32 | Li | the fucking dell touchpad jumpping all over the screen and not able to click anything before 4 attempts ... I've read/installed libinput crap but still the same issue .. any help would be appreciated |
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| 12:55.26 | Li | installed synaptic driver which not installed by default as well nothing changed |
| 12:55.54 | Li | this is really irritating |
| 12:56.28 | onagadori | is your numlock on |
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| 13:16.51 | jhutchins | Li: You need to determine what the actual hardware is. lspci -nn should give you a list that you can find the touchpad in. |
| 13:17.36 | jhutchins | Li: It would also help to know which release you installed. |
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| 13:21.52 | nindustries | Hi, anyone proficient with postfix? It just exits after postfix/postfix-script: starting the Postfix mail system in Docker |
| 13:22.25 | nindustries | I run it with postfix -v -c /app/conf start-fg |
| 13:22.48 | msl09 | guys I'm doing something wrong with reading form nested loops |
| 13:22.50 | msl09 | http://paste.debian.net/1037771/ |
| 13:23.54 | msl09 | wait |
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| 13:24.49 | ayekat | msl09: your `read x` reads from $param1 |
| 13:25.06 | msl09 | yeah, but why? |
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| 13:26.28 | ayekat | msl09: because you tell it so - the part after the pipe gets its stdin data from the part before the pipe |
| 13:26.44 | ayekat | every read in there thus reads from what you pipe into it |
| 13:27.49 | Li | jhutchins: 4.9.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.82-1+deb9u3 (2018-03-02) x86_64 GNU/Linux, but lspci -nn didn't show anything related to touchpad |
| 13:28.11 | msl09 | crap |
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| 13:28.17 | msl09 | what can I do about it? |
| 13:28.19 | Li | I see all other devices being listed but no touchpad!!! could it be different name? |
| 13:28.36 | ayekat | msl09: I would probably just do IFS=, and for p1 in $param1; do read x... |
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| 13:29.49 | ayekat | (maybe read up on IFS before blindly copying my example ^^) |
| 13:30.07 | msl09 | yeah I know how IFS works |
| 13:30.16 | msl09 | or better I think I know ;) |
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| 13:37.37 | msl09 | ok I give up |
| 13:37.43 | msl09 | I'll just use python |
| 13:38.08 | msl09 | three hours is too much for such a simple script |
| 13:41.28 | jelly | nindustries: enable syslog in that container, look at logs. |
| 13:44.10 | RoyK | msl09: I've never bothered to use bash for parsing things like that - I just use perl (or perhaps python) |
| 13:45.11 | msl09 | the reason I like to stay away from python is because it gets annoying when dealing with subprocesses |
| 13:46.12 | msl09 | bash is better well equipped for that (and I need that very frequently) |
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| 13:48.49 | jelly | yeah, because bash doesn't have a lot built in |
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| 14:02.59 | ayekat | bash still has built in enough that you can just transform that comma-separated list into an array, then for-loop over it and normally read x from stdin... |
| 14:03.28 | ayekat | it's not overly powerful, but it can still do at least that much :-) |
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| 14:06.52 | RoyK | msl09: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/10586153/split-string-into-an-array-in-bash |
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| 14:07.02 | greycat | oh god, stack overflow |
| 14:08.01 | greycat | looks upward a few lines. Is this "comma-separated list" really a comma-separated list, or is someone parsing lines from a "CSV" file? |
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| 14:10.10 | ayekat | true... I'm starting to think this is just an XY problem |
| 14:10.12 | greycat | If it's a *.csv file, then the format is not really standard. Fields can contain internal commas and newlines, and various kinds of quoting/escaping are used to protect these things, or to indicate data "types". |
| 14:11.19 | greycat | But if it really is a comma-separated list (not a csv file), then: IFS=, read -ra array <<< "$list" |
| 14:11.46 | greycat | (assuming no internal newlines) |
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| 14:34.48 | ksk | haha yeah, I could tell you stories about scripts that parse a "CSV" and end up killing everything: "I did not expect this character" |
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| 14:43.46 | SerajewelKS | greycat: i fixed my server's weird grub issues, if you're interested. figured i'd follow up. |
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| 14:44.06 | SerajewelKS | i moved /boot out of the ext4-in-lvm-in-raid1-in-gpt into its own partition |
| 14:44.12 | SerajewelKS | all the problems went away |
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| 14:44.39 | SerajewelKS | so either there's a bug in grub's support of those layers, or there's some weird BIOS oddity on this machine preventing grub from reading the disk properly in some cases, or a combination |
| 14:45.14 | SerajewelKS | it's just strange to me that it wasn't a problem for like a year and then suddenly it was |
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| 14:52.29 | omarek | Is there something I can do to obtain the 'column' utility with -o option ? It's very useful when formatting Markdown tables in Vim. |
| 14:53.02 | omarek | The version in repositories is an old one, a BSD version incorrectly labeled as newer. |
| 14:53.49 | greycat | Which system do you see this "-o" option on? |
| 14:54.13 | SerajewelKS | make sure you're using vim and not vim-tiny, too |
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| 14:55.22 | greycat | I checked OpenBSD and FreeBSD man pages on the web and didn't see it on either. |
| 14:56.01 | omarek | greycat: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/18714/command-like-column-t-that-instead-keeps-separators-in-output |
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| 14:56.06 | omarek | The answer with 6 upvotes |
| 14:56.27 | SerajewelKS | oh column, not vim. i misread. |
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| 14:56.48 | omarek | greycat: http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/column.1.html |
| 14:57.03 | greycat | Which says, since you are too lazy to paste it, "as of v. 2.23 column from util-linux" |
| 14:57.39 | SerajewelKS | ,info bsdmainutils |
| 14:57.40 | judd | Package bsdmainutils (utils, important) in stretch/amd64: collection of more utilities from FreeBSD. Version: 9.0.12+nmu1; Size: 181.7k; Installed: 566k; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/bsdmainutils |
| 14:58.23 | greycat | In that case, I guess the answer to your question is, "Grab util-linux 2.23 or later source code, compile it, and install the column command in your ~/bin or /usr/local/bin" |
| 14:58.23 | omarek | greycat: ...and the version from "util-linux" is the bsd version. |
| 14:58.46 | greycat | Hope that you don't break any scripts that rely on the behavior of /usr/bin/column |
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| 14:59.14 | greycat | To be 100% safe you could give it a non-conflicting name, like ulcolumn or something. |
| 14:59.30 | SerajewelKS | omarek: it's not in util-linux, it's in bsdmainutils |
| 14:59.51 | greycat | Are you saying that a random stackexchange link was WRONG?! omg. |
| 15:00.20 | jelly | ,v util-linux |
| 15:00.21 | judd | Package: util-linux on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.20.1-5.3; jessie: 2.25.2-6; stretch: 2.29.2-1; stretch-proposed-updates: 2.29.2-1+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.29.2-1+deb9u1; buster: 2.32-0.4; sid: 2.32.1-0.1 |
| 15:00.26 | SerajewelKS | nah. i'm saying i don't think it's talking about debian. |
| 15:00.40 | greycat | We know that. That's why I said grab the source and compile it. |
| 15:01.01 | omarek | SerajewelKS: the 'column' utility lives in both packages. |
| 15:01.09 | omarek | greycat: See above and apologize. |
| 15:01.17 | SerajewelKS | omarek: no it doesn't... |
| 15:01.22 | SerajewelKS | https://packages.debian.org/stretch/amd64/util-linux/filelist |
| 15:01.33 | greycat | SerajewelKS: that's DEBIAN's package, not upstream. |
| 15:01.39 | greycat | Grab UPSTREAM. |
| 15:01.58 | SerajewelKS | yes i know, i thought omarek was talking about debian packages |
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| 15:02.44 | omarek | I'll try upstream. |
| 15:03.45 | omarek | I'll fix this and give it a non-conflicting name. Have a nice day. |
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| 15:45.20 | woshty | Latest backports kernel broke suspend-to-ram on my old notebook. Anyone else complaint about that? |
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| 15:49.40 | jelly | how old a notebook? |
| 15:50.45 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
| 15:50.59 | tobiasBora | Any idea why sometimes the printer gets disabled? |
| 15:51.24 | tobiasBora | I then need to reenabled it with cupsenable |
| 15:51.33 | greycat | I would look for logs. |
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| 15:54.24 | tobiasBora | greycat: the last error that I can read in /var/log/cups/error_log is E [12/Aug/2018:15:10:33 +0200] [Job 958] Stopping unresponsive job. |
| 15:54.35 | tobiasBora | but why does it disable the printer? |
| 15:55.25 | jelly | probably because the printer is failing at processing (that one old) job(s) |
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| 15:55.52 | jelly | tobiasBora: what if you wipe that particular job from the queue? |
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| 15:56.48 | tobiasBora | jelly: well now the queue is empty, and as soon as I can re-enable manually the printer, everything rocks |
| 15:56.59 | tobiasBora | jelly: but I just don't understand why it disables the printer |
| 15:57.10 | tobiasBora | i'm wondering if it has to do with ErrorPolicy |
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| 15:57.46 | greycat | It seems reasonable to assume that if the printer fails to print something, that you wouldn't want to send MORE jobs to it, until the issue has been resolved. |
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| 15:58.11 | greycat | Then again, printing is voodoo. |
| 15:59.05 | tobiasBora | greycat: well this problem occurs quite often, and people in the house are very unfamiliar with printing stuff so if they need to manually enable the printer when it refuses to print... I'll kill them. |
| 15:59.20 | tobiasBora | I already created a script that restart cups and enable the printer in case of a problem |
| 15:59.29 | tobiasBora | but if I can understand why this problem occurs... |
| 15:59.44 | tobiasBora | i saw that I can use "ErrorPolicy abort-job" |
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| 16:01.07 | tobiasBora | I set it up, hope it will solve the problem ;) |
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| 16:02.57 | greycat | https://serverfault.com/questions/364982/change-cups-default-printer-error-policy seems relevant at a glance |
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| 16:05.18 | greycat | although it's describing older versions of CUPS |
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| 16:06.48 | cmouse | why does dpkg-buildpackage -F lead into dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file m4/cc_retpoline.m4, use --include-removal to override |
| 16:06.51 | cmouse | for all source files |
| 16:08.00 | cmouse | before that it says, 'diff: standard output: Broken pipe |
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| 16:10.05 | tobiasBora | greycat: yes, I tried to setup abort-job, hope it will be fine. |
| 16:10.07 | tobiasBora | Thanks! |
| 16:11.03 | jelly | cmouse: are you using unusual settings or env. vars? |
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| 16:11.08 | jelly | !ask |
| 16:11.08 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 16:11.16 | cmouse | jelly: not that I know of... |
| 16:11.26 | cmouse | trying to debug our own software's packaging |
| 16:11.42 | cmouse | seems it expected me to unpack it first |
| 16:11.52 | cmouse | curious |
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| 16:23.49 | n4dir | is there a way to find out which init system is running? |
| 16:24.17 | greycat | ls -ld /sbin/init |
| 16:24.54 | n4dir | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 43532 Feb 12 2017 /sbin/init |
| 16:25.11 | greycat | Then it's not systemd.... |
| 16:25.18 | greycat | Are you sure it's even Debian? |
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| 16:25.51 | n4dir | yes, it is debian, i set it to use sysv instead. Ages ago. My other PC died, so i quickly wanted to check which init system is running. |
| 16:26.49 | jelly | n4dir: "cat /proc/1/comm" |
| 16:27.13 | n4dir | jelly: that just says "init" |
| 16:27.23 | jelly | right, and if it says "systemd" it's systemd |
| 16:27.25 | greycat | because for some reason your /sbin/init is not a symlink, just a regular file |
| 16:27.46 | n4dir | so usually /sbin/init should link to the init system used? |
| 16:27.52 | jelly | no |
| 16:28.06 | jelly | at least not on jessie. Not sure about stretch, |
| 16:28.48 | jelly | -rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 40648 Apr 6 2015 /sbin/init # jessie w/ sysvinit-core |
| 16:29.34 | jelly | and I have no idea what runit-init looks like |
| 16:30.00 | greycat | Me either. I've never heard of anyone actually using runit except on the mailing list, and they didn't give details. |
| 16:30.12 | n4dir | and whatever else is there ... :-) |
| 16:30.51 | greycat | systemd is the only fully supported one in stretch; sysv is *kinda* supported mostly, and runit... who knows |
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| 16:32.25 | n4dir | last question, if i may: a way to figure it out would be to look at /etc/default/grub, where, at least for me, it is set? |
| 16:33.24 | greycat | apparently if /sbin/init is NOT a symlink, then it's sysvinit |
| 16:34.13 | jelly | there was a dude over the weekend complaining of runit-init breaking after going to buster |
| 16:34.24 | jelly | so someone was using it |
| 16:35.16 | n4dir | at the forum when the ubuntu init had a hype, folks fooled around a lot with init systems. I don't remember much more though. |
| 16:35.40 | greycat | startup and upstart were never supported in Debian afaik |
| 16:36.19 | n4dir | yeah, it was kind of experements, iirc (i for one haven't seen much sense in doing it, but it seem to have worked. Well: at least for an afternooon ) |
| 16:36.36 | n4dir | but anyway: thanks to both of you for the info. |
| 16:37.20 | jelly | yeah, RHEL6 and ubuntu 14.04 still use upstart, and some openvz/virtuozzo images on weird providers did that during... around squeeze? wheezy? |
| 16:37.40 | jelly | I've never heard of startup. |
| 16:38.22 | greycat | maybe I was mistaken in thinking they both existed, and that one was Ubuntu's and the other was RHEL's |
| 16:39.10 | greycat | wikipedia confirms that RHEL adopted Ubuntu's upstart for a time |
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| 16:40.42 | greycat | In any case, grub wouldn't be able to tell you, because grub just runs /sbin/init, and it's the target of /sbin/init (when it's a symlink) that determines what actually runs. |
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| 16:42.48 | n4dir | hm. here it would work, i think: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="init=/lib/sysvinit/init" |
| 16:43.25 | greycat | that's not from a standard Debian config file |
| 16:43.43 | greycat | or at least none that I've ever seen |
| 16:44.04 | n4dir | yup. sure. As said i changed it. |
| 16:44.42 | n4dir | but if i wouldn't i would know that systemd is running (problem being that on this system i couldnt remember if i changed it or not. duh) |
| 16:49.36 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/Init says, "In jessie and later releases, /sbin/init is a symbolic link to one of the various init daemons: /lib/systemd/systemd (see systemd) or /lib/sysvinit/init (see below), or some other init system." Is that incorrect? |
| 16:51.30 | jelly | definitely |
| 16:52.03 | greycat | OK, then I'll go out on a limb and assume that it's correct for stretch, and edit accordingly. |
| 16:52.05 | n4dir | to make it worse the file /lib/sysvinit/init doesn't exist here. I am more confused than before. |
| 16:52.13 | greycat | n4dir: you're on jessie? |
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| 16:52.27 | n4dir | sorry, i only can tell you the version: 9.5 |
| 16:52.32 | greycat | .... fuck |
| 16:52.40 | greycat | maybe it was only correct in jessie and has changed in stretch |
| 16:52.53 | jelly | it's not correct in jessie _now_ |
| 16:53.11 | jelly | sysvinit-core 2.88dsf-59 provides a regular file /sbin/init |
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| 16:53.58 | jelly | maybe something I evaded installing dpkg-diverts to /lib/whatsits |
| 16:54.04 | greycat | Damn it all. OK, I'll just have to put in weasel-phrases like "might be". |
| 16:54.22 | jelly | at least you're able to log in to the damn wiki |
| 16:54.57 | jelly | ,v sysvinit-core |
| 16:54.58 | judd | Package: sysvinit-core on amd64 -- jessie: 2.88dsf-59; stretch: 2.88dsf-59.9; buster: 2.88dsf-59.10; sid: 2.88dsf-59.10 |
| 16:56.06 | jelly | ,file /sbin/init --release jessie |
| 16:56.09 | judd | Search for /sbin/init in jessie/amd64: upstart: sbin/init; sysvinit-core: sbin/init; systemd-sysv: sbin/init |
| 16:56.23 | jelly | ,file /sbin/init --release buster |
| 16:56.28 | judd | Search for /sbin/init in buster/amd64: runit-init: sbin/init; sysvinit-core: sbin/init; systemd-sysv: sbin/init |
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| 16:57.15 | jelly | clearly we need to package s6-init with enabled systemd compatibilty, stir some shit up |
| 16:57.47 | jelly | (it's YAdaemontools with some nifty features) |
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| 16:59.05 | greycat | ,v nosh |
| 16:59.07 | judd | No package named 'nosh' was found in amd64. |
| 17:03.03 | goose | I've got a question about doing a volume level restore from a backup. The SSD I had Debian installed to died. I have a volume level backup of /dev/sda via my backup program (Veeam Endpoint). When I do a volume level restore of my backup to the new /dev/sda once I get my drive replaced, will I need to change anything in /etc/fstab, or elsewhere, to ensure a successful first boot? The replacement drive is the |
| 17:03.05 | goose | same make/model/capacity (Getting replaced under |
| 17:03.07 | goose | warranty), but a different serial number and I assume a different UUID |
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| 17:08.12 | Humatiel | I would confirm the UUID in your fstab but depending on how you set it up it may not matter. If your fstab is set up as a label identifier for instance instead of by UUID |
| 17:09.21 | Humatiel | Other then that their shouldn't be an issue. |
| 17:10.02 | jelly | goose: no, but depending on partition table format and new disk size some tools might complain |
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| 17:10.29 | jelly | UUIDs will not change unless your restore tool specifically tampers with them |
| 17:10.48 | goose | Ok, even though it's a new disk? |
| 17:11.04 | jelly | fstab UUIDs are properties of filesystems, not block devices |
| 17:11.13 | goose | Oh. TIL. |
| 17:11.39 | goose | Ok, well I *assume* Veeam will correctly restore my /, /boot, and swap. We'll see! |
| 17:11.40 | jelly | (just like LABELs really) |
| 17:12.11 | jelly | if it restores the whole disk as-is and the new on is exactly the same size as the old one things ought to basically Just Work⢠|
| 17:12.49 | goose | haha, TM |
| 17:12.53 | goose | Well, thanks, I appreciate that |
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| 17:13.17 | jelly | if however it restores each partition and forgets to restore the boot code, things might be problematic (in case of MBR/BIOS format and booting) |
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| 17:14.24 | goose | That would be shitty, but I could just do a fresh install and then file level restore everything, assuming Veeam maintains proper permissions |
| 17:15.25 | jelly | you'd just need to reinstall grub manually |
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| 17:16.08 | jelly | (if it's GPT format and UEFI booting, the piece of boot code is actually just an EFI program on the EFI boot partition and will presumably get restored properly) |
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| 17:16.37 | cmouse | is there a way to depend on dh-systemd without making it mandatory for building? |
| 17:16.47 | cmouse | so that same control would work on jessie and stretch? |
| 17:16.50 | jelly | do you mean build-depend |
| 17:16.53 | cmouse | yes. |
| 17:17.11 | jelly | all build-depends are mandatory AFAIK |
| 17:17.26 | cmouse | tried googling but nothing came up |
| 17:18.05 | jelly | probably because sane people don't build for release N and release N+1 using the exact same source package |
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| 17:18.29 | cmouse | jelly: maybe |
| 17:18.42 | jelly | at the very least a "backport" to jessie would need to have a slightly lower version, and that means a different debian/changelog |
| 17:22.49 | cmouse | jelly: well, it's not really a backport. |
| 17:23.28 | jelly | but I honestly have no idea how kids automate building their binaries for a zillion distros and releases these days |
| 17:23.48 | cmouse | they use obs |
| 17:24.23 | jelly | cmouse: it's not a backport, but the versioning ought to behave the same if you want your users to navigate Debian release upgrades successfully |
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| 17:24.43 | cmouse | jelly: k |
| 17:25.10 | jelly | and not "oh this 1.4-3 for jessie has different deps than this 1.4-3 for stretch" |
| 17:25.12 | jmd | Since upgrading to stretch, syslog seems to have stopped working. All new files in /var/log are of zero length. |
| 17:25.37 | greycat | Is /var full? |
| 17:25.55 | jmd | No. 11G available |
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| 17:26.30 | jelly | is rsyslog (rsyslogd process) running at all |
| 17:26.31 | greycat | Is rsyslog running? Any useful output in "journalctl -u rsyslog"? |
| 17:26.48 | AeCEgGfTv5 | anyone know of a good open source NAS hardware that is intel/amd based? |
| 17:27.32 | jmd | greycat: Well, I have never known journalctl to ever do anything except print "-- No entries --" and that is what it is doing now. |
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| 17:28.21 | jmd | But ps indicates that /usr/sbin/rsyslogd is running. |
| 17:28.33 | jelly | I don't know of any properly open source hardware, both intel and amd are horribly closed. Synology uses a lot of open source software. |
| 17:29.22 | greycat | jmd: well, that's weird. For me, journalctl says "Jul 17 07:56:10 wooledg systemd[1]: Started System Logging Service." among other things. |
| 17:29.36 | jmd | Wow! |
| 17:30.01 | jmd | What does it do for other people? |
| 17:30.03 | jelly | jmd: does this system use a debian distro kernel, is it an unusual installation or architecture? |
| 17:30.32 | jmd | jelly: No. It's a fairly standard amd64 stretch |
| 17:30.48 | jmd | kernel 4.9.0-7-amd64 |
| 17:30.56 | jelly | jmd: do you have a /var/log/journal directory? |
| 17:31.21 | jmd | jelly: No. Should I? |
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| 17:31.48 | jelly | only if you want persistent journald records. also, does "df -i" show anything to be full? |
| 17:32.10 | jmd | Nothing is more than 17% full |
| 17:32.49 | greycat | How about "systemctl status rsyslog" -- anything weird-looking there? |
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| 17:33.07 | cmouse | jelly: thank you for your help, btw |
| 17:33.56 | jmd | I don't know what it's supposed to look like, but nothing stands out as erroneous. |
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| 17:34.24 | jmd | It says Active (running) singe 1 day 7 h ago |
| 17:34.27 | jelly | cmouse: eh, I'm not really that knowledgeable in building processes. There's a #packaging channel over on irc.oftc.net (= irc.debian.org) that might do better |
| 17:34.47 | cmouse | well, at least you answered |
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| 17:37.01 | n4dir | the wiki has quite some documentations about packaging, some are slightly too high level, some are very easy. Not sure if they will answer your question, the irc channel mentioned is probably more straight forward |
| 17:37.13 | n4dir | https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging |
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| 17:38.22 | cmouse | i managed to sportsmassage the specific problem i had |
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| 17:38.42 | cmouse | but have to look at this more carefully when the responsible person is back aggin |
| 17:38.45 | cmouse | again |
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| 18:35.04 | AquaL1te | does someone see what i did wrong in this config? https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/Qb24O4ubC7fCOv3Qsll3mQ everytime i reload the networking unit i get the error that "file exists - failed to bring up eth0". which doesn't really tell me what's wrong. the problem is most likely in the ipv6 part. |
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| 18:45.03 | dutchfish | AquaL1te, at least read this https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#The_resolv.conf_configuration_file |
| 18:46.03 | dutchfish | AquaL1te, also probably a missing auto statement |
| 18:46.53 | dutchfish | AquaL1te, https://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 |
| 18:47.25 | dutchfish | AquaL1te, and for the dual stack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6#Dual_IP_stack_implementation |
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| 18:49.40 | dutchfish | AquaL1te, it depends a bit too, if you have native ipv6 or not. |
| 18:49.49 | l3x1c00n | Is https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ down right now? |
| 18:50.35 | greycat | https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/cdimage.debian.org |
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| 18:50.56 | l3x1c00n | greycat: That shows down. Just verifing here |
| 18:50.57 | dutchfish | l3x1c00n, its down for me (.nl) |
| 18:51.13 | l3x1c00n | duckydan: Okey |
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| 18:56.14 | Patator | hi |
| 18:56.17 | Patator | i can't seem to access |
| 18:56.18 | Patator | https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 18:56.29 | Patator | am i the only onE? |
| 18:56.31 | l3x1c00n | Patator: That's sown |
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| 18:56.53 | l3x1c00n | https://cdimage.debian.org is down right now |
| 18:57.17 | Patator | oh |
| 18:57.43 | Patator | for how long has that been the case? |
| 18:58.07 | AquaL1te | dutchfish: it's native ipv6 and i don't remember touching it the last couple of days, restarting went fine then... if only the error message was descriptive... this is quite crappy stuff |
| 18:58.52 | l3x1c00n | Patator: Not sure, I just discovered few sec b4 |
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| 19:00.54 | l3x1c00n | Patator: Down for more than a week |
| 19:01.08 | l3x1c00n | http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/spirit.com.html reports |
| 19:01.17 | l3x1c00n | http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/cdimage.debian.org.html |
| 19:01.19 | l3x1c00n | ^^^ |
| 19:01.28 | foul_owl | New usb drive is detected via lsusb but device doesn't show up in /dev |
| 19:01.55 | foul_owl | How do I tell udev to do its thing without rebooting my production server |
| 19:03.03 | Patator | l3x1c00n, oh shits |
| 19:03.06 | Patator | thx |
| 19:03.18 | l3x1c00n | Patator: Not sure what's going on |
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| 19:06.47 | stripe | hi all, could I install debian with a later kernel 4.15> (rx580 graphics) cheers |
| 19:07.05 | l3x1c00n | Yeah |
| 19:07.16 | greycat | if it's just for graphics, you can do a regular install WITHOUT a desktop environment, install the backports kernel, then install the X stuff |
| 19:07.17 | l3x1c00n | stripe: Use backports if you dare |
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| 19:09.25 | stripe | have tried a clean install without a desktop and just get a black screen, the hardware worked wit debian until the new graphics card (have tried a testing install also with the same results) |
| 19:09.57 | l3x1c00n | stripe: What Hardware? |
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| 19:10.51 | dutchfish | AquaL1te, one thing more, i assume you are aware of the changed naming conventions for net names. Take a peak at `ls /sys/class/net/` |
| 19:11.02 | stripe | both were net installs, 4440 i5 haswell, 16gb ram, and a rx580 amd graphics card |
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| 19:11.52 | AquaL1te | dutchfish: i'm aware, raspbian disabled that |
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| 19:11.57 | dutchfish | AquaL1te, on Debian/stable enp4s0 is the one most commonly for the first network adapter. |
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| 19:12.31 | dutchfish | AquaL1te, is this Raspbian? |
| 19:12.55 | AquaL1te | dutchfish: yes, but the interface config syntax is the same |
| 19:13.10 | dutchfish | AquaL1te, are you sure, look at ls /sys/class/net/ |
| 19:13.22 | dutchfish | ? |
| 19:13.25 | AquaL1te | dutchfish: positive |
| 19:13.54 | l3x1c00n | Patator: I did some research and looks like your care is not properly supported on Debian. |
| 19:14.13 | dutchfish | AquaL1te, does `ip a` tells you anything? |
| 19:14.35 | stripe | l3x1coon cheers |
| 19:15.09 | AquaL1te | dutchfish: i've added the ipv6 address manually to eth0 at the moment |
| 19:15.43 | l3x1c00n | stripe: lol, what for ? :D |
| 19:15.45 | Patator | l3x1c00n, which means? |
| 19:15.53 | AquaL1te | but i also rebooted 5 minutes ago, same problems. it's some syntax problem. but almost impossible to debug it... |
| 19:15.55 | Patator | (not a native speaker) |
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| 19:18.35 | dutchfish | AquaL1te, the naming convention can be unwind to the old naming convention within the kernel line. I dont know how that works out for Raspbian, maybe ask in there? |
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| 19:19.04 | dutchfish | AquaL1te, i adapted to how Debian does it. |
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| 19:19.48 | dutchfish | AquaL1te, apart from th emissing auto statement and how dns servers should be configured, i dont see mistakes. |
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| 19:20.37 | dutchfish | AquaL1te, it could be Raspbian specific. |
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| 19:26.27 | AquaL1te | dutchfish: having eth0 instead of the hardware position address doesn't interfere, it worked fine a few days ago. it's some crappy syntax problem, which is very cryptic... i'll try some random stuff and try to bruteforce a solution |
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| 19:27.34 | dutchfish | AquaL1te, fair enough. If it doesnt work out ask #Raspbian, you might be barfing at a specific bug. |
| 19:27.50 | AquaL1te | dutchfish: what do you mean with missing auto statement? and how dns servers should be configured? |
| 19:28.23 | dutchfish | AquaL1te, man resolv.conf |
| 19:28.58 | AquaL1te | dutchfish: you're not helping with these abstract suggestions ;) |
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| 19:29.53 | novilog | Is cdimage.debian.org down? I can't get a response from the server while trying to download a live image. Where can I track its status in the future? |
| 19:30.19 | dutchfish | AquaL1te, man stands for manpage (a helpfile) that explains how it works and how resolv.conf should be configured, i gues you can read that? |
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| 19:31.28 | AquaL1te | dutchfish: i guess i'm not talking to a human. are you suggesting i should manually change resolv.conf? if so, that's wrong. want to know why? here is a book [random book on amazone about linux] |
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| 19:37.21 | dutchfish | AquaL1te, it depends very much how the system is configured. As an example this could be done by dhcp, fixed ip address or networkmanager. Depending which one is being used, /etc/resolv.conf is populated automatically, or not. |
| 19:37.51 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf is fairly comprehensive |
| 19:38.08 | dutchfish | AquaL1te, i was assuming you are talking about a console setup. Not networkmanager. |
| 19:38.20 | novilog | It's definitely not taboo to touch resolv.conf . Many distributions require you to configure this manually. |
| 19:38.58 | greycat | Not taboo, just excessively *difficult* because you're swimming against the fuckin' laptop & Desktop Environment tide. |
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| 19:39.35 | novilog | Desktop environment? Who uses those? A window manager is all you need :P |
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| 19:39.48 | greycat | I completely agree. |
| 19:39.52 | dutchfish | AquaL1te, and above that, this is not Debian but Raspbian. There could be diffrences in that too. |
| 19:40.55 | AquaL1te | dutchfish: true, but i already stated that the problem is in the ipv6 part. so we can talk about dynamic interface names and the ipv4 config all day long but the problem won't be resolved ;) |
| 19:40.56 | dutchfish | AquaL1te, i am just trying to help. |
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| 19:43.09 | dutchfish | AquaL1te, my thought in that was: if for some reason a part of the system assumes the new naming convention, nftables, firewall software, failtoban etc etc. This could make easely a non working system without much warnings. |
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| 19:44.25 | novilog | I still haven't been able to reach cdimage.debian.org ... Does anyone have any news on this? |
| 19:44.36 | dutchfish | AquaL1te, secondly, recent kernel changes work differently with firewalling software too. |
| 19:45.02 | dutchfish | AquaL1te, anyway, maybe better ask in #raspbian. |
| 19:45.04 | greycat | novilog: apparently it has been down for a week. You're the second person asking about it this *hour*, which explains the reluctance to answer. |
| 19:45.33 | novilog | greycat: Ah -- but that's so bizzare... I was able to download multiple images from it just last night |
| 19:45.52 | novilog | Still, thanks for letting me know. I didn't intend to be a repeat complainer :P |
| 19:46.24 | AquaL1te | dutchfish: rule number one of kernel development is that it cannot break user space, so, unlikely. btw; no kernel updates. it really is just a minor syntax problem. any syntax problem gives the same uninformative message in debian networking. so yeah, it could indeed be anything :) |
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| 19:46.42 | greycat | http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/cdimage.debian.org.html is the site that says "Down For" "more than a week" |
| 19:47.07 | greycat | nobody here in #debian @ Freenode seems to know any more than this |
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| 19:50.44 | abrotman | novilog: have you checked any mirrors? |
| 19:51.19 | abrotman | http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-cd/ for example (though, I'm not sure what you're lookng for, so might not be there) |
| 19:51.39 | novilog | not yet. Is there a mirror list available? Obviously the one that's on cdimage.debian.org isn't accessible right now |
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| 19:52.09 | abrotman | specific to cdimages.debian.org, not that I know of |
| 19:52.14 | novilog | I'm looking for the unofficial directory for live CDs that come packaged with the nonfree firmware |
| 19:52.40 | abrotman | oh, hrm |
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| 19:56.46 | novilog | I'm only seeing mirror archives of the live-nonfree CDs, but they're all many versions outdated. |
| 19:56.56 | mason | novilog: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ is answering right now |
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| 19:58.31 | novilog | Lucky me! Thank you mason |
| 19:58.40 | novilog | And everyone else. |
| 19:58.47 | dutchfish | AquaL1te, an example for a dual stack https://paste.debian.net/1037838/ |
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| 20:02.18 | AquaL1te | dutchfish: "that's now how you do dns" ;) i do the exact same thing (other parameters of course) |
| 20:02.18 | rwp | dutchfish, I don't mean to complain but one does not need to specify both netmask and network. The "network" config is redundant and under the principle of DRY (don't repeat yourself) shouldn't be specified if redundant. |
| 20:02.18 | dutchfish | AquaL1te, not including SLAAC config btw |
| 20:02.18 | dutchfish | AquaL1te, good luck |
| 20:03.52 | dutchfish | rwp, true, but since i dont know how different distros comply to it (in this case raspbian), i made this redundacy. |
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| 20:04.18 | dutchfish | rwp, for Debian netmask will do |
| 20:04.31 | rwp | It's the same for Raspbian too. |
| 20:04.37 | dutchfish | ah ok |
| 20:04.43 | rwp | Some years back it showed up as an example in the man page. Therefore found its way into the default template. |
| 20:04.54 | dutchfish | ay |
| 20:04.55 | rwp | Then for about a decade there has been a campaign to try to clean that up. |
| 20:05.16 | rwp | I am looking for the bug number. But unfortunately "network" and "netmask" are not easy things to search for in the BTS for it! :-( |
| 20:05.44 | dutchfish | rwp, well, i got this one from an ipv6 book, which i just looked up. |
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| 20:06.21 | rwp | Yes. You see the problem! The old examples still exist. There is really no way to clean them all out. |
| 20:06.43 | dutchfish | rwp, nowadays, i configure the router/proxy with reserved addresses and make my workstations dhcp (much easier) |
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| 20:07.56 | dutchfish | rwp, thanks |
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| 20:14.57 | rwp | dutchfish, If you see both netmask and broadcast in the same config the same thing applies there too. :-) |
| 20:15.22 | rwp | I am not able to find the bug after that brief search. And I must leave the keyboard for a bit. |
| 20:16.35 | dutchfish | rwp, thanks, its for AquaL1te |
| 20:16.48 | rwp | Time flies... I do see that five years ago in 2013 I updated wiki page. |
| 20:17.13 | rwp | dutchfish, No, you misunderstand, I was enlisting you help in the campaign to DRY up the network configurations! |
| 20:17.15 | dutchfish | rwp, so true, i search high and low and only found outdated stuff |
| 20:17.33 | dutchfish | ah ic :) |
| 20:17.40 | rwp | I know you will be helping others in the future. And will now be part of the campaign with the rest of us! :-) |
| 20:17.57 | dutchfish | rwp, thanks again. Noted. |
| 20:18.29 | rwp | And with that I am afk... See all of you later. |
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| 20:28.46 | foul_owl | Is /etc/network/interfaces still used in debian? |
| 20:28.53 | greycat | yes |
| 20:29.21 | foul_owl | I tried to set my ip to static with that file, but when I did "systemctl restart networking" eth0 had the new ip address but it kept the old one also |
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| 20:29.44 | foul_owl | I can paste my /etc/network/interfaces file if needed |
| 20:30.16 | greycat | If dhclient is already running and you want to convert the interface from DHCP to static, you need to "ifdown" first, THEN edit the file, THEN ifup. |
| 20:30.38 | greycat | If you edit first and then ifdown, it doesn't know that the interface WAS dhcp and that there is a dhclient that needs killin'/ |
| 20:30.44 | foul_owl | Ah |
| 20:30.50 | foul_owl | Hmm ok I was trying to edit with ansible |
| 20:30.59 | foul_owl | Which of course needs the interface |
| 20:31.16 | foul_owl | Ansible seems to tolerate the restart with no issue |
| 20:31.18 | greycat | People do this to themselves intentionally. Mind-boggling. |
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| 20:31.43 | foul_owl | Why is this so wrong? |
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| 20:32.17 | foul_owl | If I'm trying to manage 1000 servers, I was told ansible is the way to do it, not with a for loop in bash |
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| 20:34.54 | at0m | foul_owl: you can instruct ansible to run a "ifdown && cat interfaces.new > interfaces && ifup" script, no? |
| 20:35.14 | foul_owl | I definitely can, and it sounds like that's the way to go here |
| 20:35.33 | foul_owl | I just didn't understand what was so wrong about using ansible to manage my servers |
| 20:35.53 | at0m | it's not wrong, in most scenario's =) |
| 20:36.59 | foul_owl | Is it wrong here? To use it to configure networking? I would rather not do that by hand... |
| 20:37.08 | foul_owl | Expecially not on 1000 servers... |
| 20:37.25 | foul_owl | I can do it in bash also, but for the past 5 years everyone has told me to use ansible over bash so here I am... |
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| 20:37.43 | at0m | that *way* you used it was wrong, there was or is nothing wrong with ansible |
| 20:38.00 | foul_owl | Understood |
| 20:38.21 | at0m | now you've come to understand more, and i bet you'll be able to use it in other scenario's, too |
| 20:38.43 | foul_owl | Certainly I have been using ansible to automate configuration for nginx, haproxy, postgres, etc, etc |
| 20:38.49 | foul_owl | Networking is a bit of an edge case it seems |
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| 20:44.21 | greycat | What I don't understand (well, there are lots of things, but I'll just pick one) is why you'd be managing 1000 servers and not use DHCP to control their IPs. |
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| 20:48.58 | foul_owl | That sounds fine, but when they end up restarting, when they come back up they get a different ip address and then I have to change all my DNS entries...I don't control the router |
| 20:49.15 | foul_owl | and the dhcp server is running on the router |
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| 20:50.03 | foul_owl | I suppose I could create my own dhcp server that is tied to dns |
| 20:50.58 | foul_owl | It's not really 1000 servers, it's just a few dozen, but I am extrapolating for large scale deployment |
| 20:51.33 | foul_owl | I would rather do things the right way, I'm open to any advice |
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| 20:52.27 | foul_owl | I don't have a real deployment, I'm just trying to set up a home lab with LXC on rpis, due to low budget |
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| 20:53.50 | foul_owl | I have several dozen containers running redmine, owncloud, grafana, nginx, haproxy, all ha, failover with keepalived, it all works fine, but I don't control my router for my home lab |
| 20:54.12 | foul_owl | I'll take any advice you give me |
| 20:54.19 | greycat | ... you are supposed to ASSIGN the IP addresses to the MAC address in the DHCP server. |
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| 20:55.14 | foul_owl | I don't even have the login for the router, the DHCP server is a black box to me |
| 20:55.28 | foul_owl | So I figured just use static ips and call it good |
| 20:55.40 | greycat | Then something is incredibly wrong. How do you have 1000 servers and 0 control over the network? |
| 20:55.47 | foul_owl | It's a home lab |
| 20:55.53 | foul_owl | It's not literally 1000 servers |
| 20:55.54 | greycat | I, who, what. |
| 20:55.59 | greycat | ... |
| 20:56.11 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 20:56.16 | foul_owl | It's still more than I want to manage by hand... |
| 20:56.28 | foul_owl | A few dozen is reason enough to automate |
| 20:56.29 | at0m | home network and no control over the router/dhcpd? err. |
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| 20:56.39 | greycat | Yeah, lies and more lies. |
| 20:57.13 | foul_owl | My landlord provided the router, not my business |
| 20:57.35 | foul_owl | Want my landlords phone number now? Can we try and stay on topic? |
| 20:57.40 | at0m | put another router between that and your LAN. one that *you* control. |
| 20:58.12 | foul_owl | Ok, or just use static ips |
| 20:58.26 | foul_owl | Without having to buy more hardware |
| 20:58.40 | foul_owl | Why are static ips so wrong? I don't understand that |
| 21:00.01 | foul_owl | Even if I can get access to the router, I doubt it provides any semblance of reasonable configuraiton. It's likely some garbage web interface with a giant restart button. Do you think it provides fine grained control over dhcp settings? Do you think it provides a DNS server? |
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| 21:04.47 | jak2000 | hi all how to check who use the port 4848? |
| 21:05.04 | greycat | lsof -i :4848 |
| 21:05.22 | greycat | (is one of many solutions) |
| 21:05.45 | jak2000 | empty |
| 21:06.05 | foul_owl | Why call me a liar? I'm just trying to learn with a home lab. Yes, the 1000 servers is an exageration, but that is the use case always outlined when reading about using something like ansible over bash |
| 21:06.18 | foul_owl | So that is the mindset of the question |
| 21:06.39 | greycat | What makes you think something is "using" that port, then? |
| 21:06.44 | foul_owl | A few dozen containers on a few rpis is still more than should be done by hand |
| 21:06.58 | jak2000 | greycat: There is a process already using the admin port 4848 -- it probably is another instance of a GlassFish server. |
| 21:07.09 | greycat | How do you know this? |
| 21:07.36 | jak2000 | i need create a domain with glassfish... and get this meesage :( |
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| 21:08.23 | greycat | You ran lsof as root, yes? On the correct computer? |
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| 21:10.31 | jak2000 | yes |
| 21:10.40 | greycat | Then try again. |
| 21:10.45 | greycat | Maybe it's gone now. |
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| 21:12.53 | jak2000 | strange: https://paste.debian.net/1037843/ |
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| 21:14.40 | greycat | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/23827820/glassfish-server-start-domain-domain1-wont-start |
| 21:15.44 | greycat | and https://serverfault.com/questions/361587/glassfish-there-is-a-process-already-using-the-server-port |
| 21:16.06 | jak2000 | ok, thanks |
| 21:16.10 | greycat | I stopped wondering as soon as I saw the word "java". |
| 21:16.18 | jak2000 | raeding |
| 21:16.22 | jak2000 | java the problem |
| 21:16.22 | jak2000 | ok |
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| 21:17.26 | Javabean | it really is annoying that someone named a troublesome programming language after coffee and a country |
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| 21:18.02 | greycat | I'm sure the island is quite nice. |
| 21:18.59 | Javabean | thats what i heard as well, but my nick comes from coffee |
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| 21:47.54 | TinkerTiger | iI set up an alias to load irssi on my 'server' where it works. Moved the same command to my HP laptop where it works but my C720 doesn't. I don't get it! |
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| 22:04.17 | ctcx | I accidentally used "cp -r" on an individual file instead of a directory. Is this harmful someway? |
| 22:07.37 | TinkerTiger | Nope. |
| 22:07.56 | TinkerTiger | You can't recurse a single thing. |
| 22:08.16 | TinkerTiger | So, it just copies and then ends. |
| 22:08.59 | ctcx | I thought trying to "recurse a single element" would be bad someway, because -r switch is intended only for directories... |
| 22:09.16 | ctcx | For files it's not needed. |
| 22:09.49 | TinkerTiger | Right. Just imagine your computer giving you the side-eye and saying, 'Well, that was easy'. |
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| 22:11.30 | ctcx | Then, wouldn't it be slightly better if console returned an error similar to when copying a directory without -r? |
| 22:11.50 | ctcx | Saying "these are plain files, don't use -r" |
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| 22:12.03 | ctcx | But no, system allows this as well!? |
| 22:12.35 | TinkerTiger | Maybe but cp still copies files you just let it skip the whole directory part. |
| 22:12.42 | rwp | foul_owl, If you want to learn the concepts (concepts not tools) of managing a big network then I highly recommend http://www.infrastructures.org/ |
| 22:13.22 | ctcx | thanks |
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| 22:15.19 | TinkerTiger | ctcx: I've probably done it. I'm using cp/scp more than ftp/samba these days! |
| 22:17.53 | ctcx | TinkerTiger: ...?? |
| 22:18.42 | TinkerTiger | ctcx: I moved about 3TB recently when I rebuilt a drive. scp allows you to copy between computers. |
| 22:18.45 | TinkerTiger | Securely. |
| 22:19.07 | ctcx | I know, I have used scp as well. |
| 22:19.22 | ctcx | Even sftp (only just once...) |
| 22:19.58 | TinkerTiger | I used to be all about ftp but just today I wrote two scripts that used scp and it's sooo nice. |
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| 22:20.42 | at0m | ouch ftp. client that is a server, filesize unknown, zero integrity checking |
| 22:21.05 | at0m | if you can ever avoid ftp, do it. |
| 22:21.42 | ctcx | What about sftp? |
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| 22:22.38 | at0m | that's over ssh, so at least ssh will make sure all that's sent will be received |
| 22:22.39 | TinkerTiger | Probably the same, except with ssh encryption. |
| 22:22.54 | TinkerTiger | nods. |
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| 22:26.25 | michael2 | hi all. I'm installing debian and currently at the partitioner stage. I want to setup FDE on the main system partition (mounted at /) plus encrypted swap. but then I also want to have a separate encrypted partition for user data which can remain in place if the main system partition needs to be re-installed. how can I do this? |
| 22:27.34 | somiaj | what is FDE? |
| 22:27.44 | michael2 | full disk encryption |
| 22:27.57 | somiaj | anyways, the installer should have all those options. Though my suggestion is don't encrypt /boot |
| 22:28.11 | somiaj | life is jsut easier if you have /boot as a seperate non-encyrpted partition |
| 22:28.35 | michael2 | yes, Im happy leaving /boot in the clear |
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| 22:29.30 | michael2 | do I create the partitions/partition table first? then choose the "setup encrypted volumes" option? |
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| 22:31.29 | michael2 | In the past I have let the installer just run FDE as an LVM over the whole disk, which was ideal. but now I have 2 partitions, I don't know how to get the partitioner to setup that / encryption again |
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| 22:36.23 | somiaj | I can't say from memeory, but there are options taht allow this in the installer. |
| 22:36.55 | somiaj | I don't use encryption so I can't say more. The other option is to manually create the partitions yourself and then just tell the installer to use them |
| 22:37.12 | somiaj | are you using expert mode or normal mode? |
| 22:37.46 | RoyK | keep in mind that disk encryption is worthless if your system is comromised when online |
| 22:39.00 | at0m | RoyK: consolidating when lappy gets stolen though |
| 22:40.03 | michael2 | yes, im trying to address the laptop is stolen issue |
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| 22:42.29 | michael2 | somiaj: yes, If I manually create, I dont know how to link up all the parts, e.g. LVM wrapping both swap + main system filesystem (but separate /boot) + format the part with ext4 + define mount point + setup the separate partition - there are alot of moving parts to all this! |
| 22:43.52 | RoyK | at0m: obviously |
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| 22:44.44 | michael2 | but it looks like the partitioner has an option to encrypt /home as a separate partition. Im guessing I could put my data here, and if I need to re-install , this partition can be left alone during a re-install? |
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| 22:48.16 | RoyK | michael2: if you only want encrypted home, ecryptfs is a good idea |
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| 22:51.25 | michael2 | RoyK: is encryptfs option available under debian installer? |
| 22:51.48 | RoyK | iirc yes, otherwise you can set it up after installing |
| 22:51.52 | RoyK | not a big issue |
| 22:52.02 | RoyK | ecryptfs, not encryptfs, btw ;) |
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| 22:52.26 | michael2 | ah right :) |
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| 22:52.34 | RoyK | it must be setup per home directory |
| 22:52.45 | RoyK | so each homedir has its own password - quite secure |
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| 22:53.45 | michael2 | RoyK: you mentioned data is vulnerable (to remote execution from online sources) while the encrypted containers are unlocked do you know of any ways to mitigate against this? |
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| 22:54.36 | RoyK | michael2: there basically are none - as long as the filesystem is mounted, the data is vulnerable if someone gets in as root or as your user |
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| 22:55.40 | RoyK | but with a good job with firewalling and not installing a bunch of applications from dubious sources, you should be pretty safe |
| 22:55.56 | RoyK | "ufw enable" is a good start |
| 22:56.42 | RoyK | or dig into iptables or even nftables if you want to fine-tune it better |
| 22:57.05 | RoyK | usually that's not needed, though |
| 22:57.21 | RoyK | depends on how paranoid you are ;) |
| 22:59.09 | michael2 | makes sense. |
| 22:59.43 | RoyK | michael2: what sort of system is this? |
| 23:00.16 | michael2 | RoyK: laptop |
| 23:00.33 | michael2 | is that what you were asking? |
| 23:00.49 | RoyK | yes - then just install ufw and enable it - it should do |
| 23:00.57 | RoyK | use ecryptfs for the user accounts |
| 23:01.05 | RoyK | and encrypted swap |
| 23:01.12 | RoyK | should be pretty safe |
| 23:01.38 | michael2 | what about mitigation against key stroke logging in a X window environment? |
| 23:02.20 | RoyK | https://xkcd.com/1820/ <-- point 1 |
| 23:03.57 | michael2 | RoyK: hah, nice :) |
| 23:04.35 | RoyK | I like that "use a two-factor smoke detector" |
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| 23:05.01 | michael2 | the "game of chess for the soul" came from that old 50's movie, I think |
| 23:05.29 | RoyK | possibly - Randall usually has a lot of references to old movies :) |
| 23:05.41 | michael2 | "the seventh seal" - its swedish |
| 23:06.17 | RoyK | Det sjunde inseglet - aldrig sätt den |
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| 23:06.42 | RoyK | never seen it - perhaps I should? |
| 23:07.19 | michael2 | the protagonist is a knight returning from the crusades. death (the grim reaper) comes to claim him. the knight challenges death to a game of chess - if hes wins, death leaves him alone |
| 23:07.22 | RoyK | imdb score is good |
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| 23:08.24 | michael2 | its watchable - the main actor is famous - you'll recognise him |
| 23:08.27 | RoyK | brakes laws and dowloads |
| 23:08.54 | RoyK | I speak Swedish fairly well too so it won't be a problem |
| 23:09.49 | michael2 | nice, no need for subtitles then |
| 23:09.58 | RoyK | people in Stockholm tend to think I'm from northern sweden - those in Göteborg understand I'm norwegian or something |
| 23:10.25 | RoyK | is Norwegian |
| 23:10.51 | RoyK | michael2: btw - where from? |
| 23:11.04 | michael2 | New Zealand |
| 23:11.19 | RoyK | ok - exactly the other side of the flat world :D |
| 23:11.57 | RoyK | you know, the flat earth sosciety has members all around the globe! |
| 23:12.48 | michael2 | lol, flat earthers are not quite correct. we are actually all on the back of a giant turtle |
| 23:13.03 | RoyK | and four elephants |
| 23:13.19 | RoyK | misses Pratchett |
| 23:14.35 | RoyK | I'm not that into films from that era, except for Dr. Strangelove, which I love |
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| 23:15.33 | michael2 | yeah, they definitely are a different world. but sometimes the themes are still relevant |
| 23:16.05 | RoyK | perhaps Dr. Strangelove becomes current soon again |
| 23:16.16 | michael2 | RoyK: I hope not |
| 23:16.25 | RoyK | neither do I |
| 23:16.40 | michael2 | hopefully we will colonise mars before that happens |
| 23:17.09 | RoyK | A bit hard to build up an atmosphere on a planet with no magnetic shield, though |
| 23:17.48 | michael2 | bidome, I guess |
| 23:17.51 | michael2 | biodome |
| 23:18.15 | RoyK | yeah - let Arnold do the job - he knows what to do! |
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| 23:19.47 | RoyK | michael2: it's not often I come across kiwis in here :) |
| 23:20.38 | michael2 | RoyK: hes no worse than any of the others. there are a few - they just don't announce the fact - and you probably aren |
| 23:20.56 | michael2 | arent watching for the clues |
| 23:21.07 | mason | I'm new to fail2ban and I thought I'd give it a spin. Defaultish config. Does this error mean anything to anyone? https://bpaste.net/show/7dbc5278522d |
| 23:21.38 | michael2 | RoyK: do you use GPG, any recommendations for secure PIN entry in an X window environment? |
| 23:22.03 | RoyK | michael2: not sure, sorry |
| 23:22.22 | RoyK | michael2: I just use X11 over ssh if using X over the wire |
| 23:22.35 | RoyK | mason: pastebin the config |
| 23:22.57 | mason | RoyK: https://bpaste.net/show/e853cf9c238c |
| 23:23.03 | mason | RoyK: Nothing else touched. |
| 23:23.24 | RoyK | maxretry = 0 seems a bit low |
| 23:23.35 | mason | RoyK: Maybe. But it should work. |
| 23:23.49 | RoyK | never used fail2ban with postfix - sorry |
| 23:24.21 | mason | RoyK: I don't think this is a postfix integration issue specifically... The error message was it trying to set up an iptables rule I think. |
| 23:24.54 | michael2 | it should be adding a rule into the iptables chain |
| 23:24.55 | mason | I see that it's created its private table, but it doesn't seem able to add offenders to its table. |
| 23:24.58 | mason | Right. |
| 23:25.55 | RoyK | I wonder when we get nftables to replace iptables - looks like a very neat design |
| 23:26.06 | michael2 | sorry I meant the fail2ban chain - it should have its own dedicated chain- is it setting that up ok? |
| 23:26.19 | mason | michael2: Yeah, I see that. Half a sec. |
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| 23:26.55 | mason | https://bpaste.net/show/5b02170e2905 shows it setting up the Debian-default sshd jail and the postfix-sasl one I wanted. |
| 23:26.55 | jak2000 | https://paste.debian.net/1037852//j proxmox |
| 23:28.58 | mason | Hm, I think it's failing on checkban, looking at the log. |
| 23:30.43 | mason | Oh, hah. Of course. |
| 23:30.47 | mason | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=881449 |
| 23:30.48 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/881449 in fail2ban (closed): «fail2ban: postfix-sasl jail crashes on trying to ban ip address»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-11-11; last modified: 2018-03-31. |
| 23:30.58 | mason | Broken by design. |
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| 23:31.18 | mason | Fixed in testing, stable can go suck wind. |
| 23:31.57 | RoyK | michael2: please see pm |
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| 23:33.15 | mason | That was it. I overrode the default port list, and now everyone that should have been banned is. |
| 23:33.46 | mason | Hm, fail2ban is nicer by default than I am. I like blacklisting, but it's giving them an immediate icmp-port-unreachable. |
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| 23:34.57 | RoyK | mason: that's the REJECT in iptables instead of DROP |
| 23:35.05 | mason | Correct. |
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| 23:35.15 | RoyK | you can tune that |
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| 23:35.42 | mason | I don't mind it I guess. What I'm poking at now is how I can get it to fit into my existing blacklist system. |
| 23:35.51 | RoyK | getting nftables into ufw would be fine, though |
| 23:36.13 | RoyK | nftables looks like a nice beast |
| 23:36.44 | mason | Oh, I guess it'll do the right thing itself. It's adding itself with -I so it'll hop in front of everything else. That works. |
| 23:36.58 | Gigglebyte | I am wondering if anyone might be able to help me with shutting off the backlit keyboard on my System76 Orxy Pro? Since installing Debian the backlit is running full power and none of my F keys work. I tried to follow some suggestions listed here, but with no success https://superuser.com/questions/275321/how-to-make-a-linux-laptop-switch-off-backlight-completely-when-keyboard-and-mou |
| 23:37.16 | RoyK | when ipfwadm turned into ipchains which turned into iptables, there wasn't really a big change - nftables looks new and shiny |
| 23:38.09 | mason | RoyK: When did ipchains transition into iptables? I think iptables was well-established by the time I moved off of ipf. |
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| 23:38.30 | RoyK | 2.2 -> 2.4 iirc |
| 23:38.58 | mason | Hrm. |
| 23:39.29 | RoyK | ipchains was in the middle there some years |
| 23:39.59 | RoyK | and ipfwadm, not ipf ;) |
| 23:40.19 | mason | Hm, so, I should have seen it. My first Debian was somewhere between Woody and Sarge, which bridges the 2.2 -> 2.4 gap. Hrm. |
| 23:40.22 | RoyK | ipf is a bsd or solaris thing |
| 23:40.44 | mason | Yes, ipf in NetBSD, which I used until getting sick of pkgsrc in production and moved to Debian. :P |
| 23:40.51 | RoyK | started off at slackware 2.1 in 1994 |
| 23:40.57 | michael2 | RoyK: did you message me earlier? I've got priv messaging blocked because of the spam |
| 23:41.10 | RoyK | michael2: better set +R |
| 23:41.23 | RoyK | michael2: those spambots aren't registered to nickserv |
| 23:42.27 | RoyK | michael2: yeah, I tried to msg you - nothing important - just some questions |
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| 23:43.31 | mason | I want to re-open that bug. It's obnoxious that fail2ban is broken out of the box in stable. |
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| 23:52.08 | michael2 | RoyK: I don't understand about the difference between +R and +g? |
| 23:53.35 | RoyK | +R means only people registered and logged into nickserv can pm you |
| 23:53.39 | mason | Opened a new bug to see if the fix can't be backported to stable, since it's trivially easy. |
| 23:54.55 | michael2 | RoyK: oh, ok. and +g basically means nobody can PM me - even if they are registered with nickserv? |
| 23:55.12 | michael2 | how can I undo +g? |
| 23:55.24 | RoyK | -g |
| 23:56.05 | RoyK | or just send me a pm if you want to chat |
| 23:56.06 | michael2 | so I run: /umode -g ? |
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| 23:57.17 | michael2 | RoyK: im -g now, feel free to try again if you want. I dont know how to start a priv message |
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| 23:58.39 | mason | michael2: /query person |