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| 14:49.55 | ichtar|work | why Brigo ? |
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| 14:50.55 | RoyK | ichtar|work: just use sudo |
| 14:51.16 | Brigo | because logind (part of systemd) is intended to replace polkit |
| 14:51.26 | ichtar|work | ok , this polkit is so screwed |
| 14:51.27 | ichtar|work | ? |
| 14:52.55 | Brigo | ichtar|work, systemd had a lot of success because of that. |
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| 14:53.40 | ichtar|work | writing pkla is not so well documented, I may go for sudo |
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| 15:00.41 | ichtar|work | lol |
| 15:00.48 | ichtar|work | ok thanks guy I need to staert my we |
| 15:00.50 | ichtar|work | have a good one |
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| 15:57.11 | Bushmaster | hi, i just installed debian, but it wont allow me to update, can anyone help |
| 15:57.23 | greycat | !stretch sources.list |
| 15:57.23 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 15:57.38 | greycat | In addition to that, make sure your Internet access is working. |
| 15:58.05 | Bushmaster | thanks greycat |
| 15:58.20 | Bushmaster | can you kindly help me to edit source list, as i am new to these |
| 15:58.34 | greycat | if you are not familiar with any of the traditional text editors, try nano |
| 15:58.43 | greycat | "su", then "nano /etc/apt/sources.list" |
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| 16:00.31 | Bushmaster | greycat, this is what i got https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2WFsdpXD8X/ |
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| 16:03.47 | RoyK | Bushmaster: remove the cdrom line from the sources.list file |
| 16:03.53 | Bushmaster | dpkg, this is what i got https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2WFsdpXD8X/ |
| 16:03.53 | dpkg | Bushmaster: what are you talking about? |
| 16:04.18 | RoyK | Bushmaster: dpkg is a bot <( |
| 16:04.20 | RoyK | Bushmaster: dpkg is a bot ;) |
| 16:05.06 | Bushmaster | Royk and greycat this is what I got from source list https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PgmKcyPvm3/ |
| 16:05.30 | RoyK | Bushmaster: as i said - remove the line with the cdrom |
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| 16:05.51 | RoyK | you neither want nor need it |
| 16:06.36 | Bushmaster | okay done that |
| 16:06.44 | Bushmaster | but do i need to change the next three lines too? |
| 16:07.01 | RoyK | Bushmaster: doubt it |
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| 16:07.48 | Bushmaster | it has ftp in it but dpkg three lines posted above do not |
| 16:08.33 | Bushmaster | Royk can you kindly tell me which three lines would be best, the one dpkg posted above or the original my one as it is with ftp in it? |
| 16:08.46 | greycat | Are the ones you have right now working? |
| 16:09.01 | Bushmaster | yes i am in source list yes |
| 16:09.04 | greycat | If not... then why would you think you should keep them? |
| 16:09.42 | RoyK | Bushmaster: those lines point to different repos - just try to upgrade, please |
| 16:09.47 | Bushmaster | i do not know whether they are working, but i think whatever best you suggest i will do, i would need to install lot of mathematical software like R, Scilab, Python etc hence i asked |
| 16:10.07 | RoyK | those are all in the standard repos |
| 16:10.09 | greycat | 11:57 Bushmaster> hi, i just installed debian, but it wont allow me to update |
| 16:10.18 | greycat | Sounded to me like it wasn't working. |
| 16:10.30 | RoyK | greycat: it was that cdrom line |
| 16:10.40 | Bushmaster | yes, well i posted before what was happening in pastebin, i think RoyK seen it |
| 16:10.51 | RoyK | Bushmaster: please just try |
| 16:11.00 | Bushmaster | so RoyK i do not need to change the opther three lines at all right |
| 16:11.13 | Bushmaster | okay RoyK i will update now |
| 16:11.13 | RoyK | no |
| 16:11.22 | RoyK | do I have to repeat myself? |
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| 16:12.43 | Bushmaster | is it apt-get update command right? |
| 16:12.52 | RoyK | or just apt update |
| 16:13.02 | RoyK | then apt upgrade or apt dist-upgrade |
| 16:13.13 | RoyK | if this is a new system, better run apt dist-upgrade to get all the new stuff |
| 16:13.17 | RoyK | then apt autoremove |
| 16:13.51 | RoyK | then perhaps a reboot if you've gotten a new kernel or libc in there |
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| 16:14.27 | Bushmaster | RoyK, this is what i got now https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Zt3tNvPCJQ/ |
| 16:14.40 | RoyK | good |
| 16:14.50 | RoyK | then apt dist-upgrade |
| 16:14.58 | Bushmaster | now will run apt dist-upgrade following your advice okay |
| 16:14.59 | RoyK | as I told you above |
| 16:16.16 | Bushmaster | now i got this RoyK https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PyTkzBt9Xd/ |
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| 16:16.38 | RoyK | Bushmaster: then everything is up to date |
| 16:16.41 | Bushmaster | it did not add anything new |
| 16:17.01 | Bushmaster | shall i run that last command autoremove |
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| 16:17.26 | RoyK | no need when it says '0 to remove' |
| 16:17.31 | Bushmaster | okay |
| 16:17.47 | Bushmaster | cool, i can now go ahead installing R from synaptic package manager right? |
| 16:18.38 | RoyK | apt seems R 3.3.3 is in the default repos |
| 16:18.38 | apt | RoyK: okay |
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| 16:18.49 | RoyK | Bushmaster: that was for you, sorry |
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| 16:20.04 | Bushmaster | RoyK, i went to synaptic and installing r-base from there |
| 16:21.47 | jim | is there a way to get the name of the source package for libgit2-dev? |
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| 16:23.30 | jim | (I want to build the one from buster/sid) |
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| 16:23.41 | RoyK | Bushmaster: what's wrong with the ones in the repos? |
| 16:24.45 | RoyK | Bushmaster: synaptic is just a gui to use apt |
| 16:24.47 | RoyK | same thing |
| 16:25.34 | Brigo | RoyK, is not just a gui, the resolver is different |
| 16:25.40 | RoyK | apt install r-base and perhaps apt-cache search '^r-' to see the other parts already packaged |
| 16:25.42 | Brigo | it can solve problems apt can't. |
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| 16:25.59 | RoyK | Brigo: shouldn't matter much on a new system |
| 16:26.13 | Bushmaster | RoyK R is installed now |
| 16:26.32 | RoyK | Bushmaster: fine - try it |
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| 16:27.13 | jim | found it, nm |
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| 16:39.09 | bremner | so uh, 9.5 isos can't be verified from within 9.5? |
| 16:39.21 | bremner | (new CD signing key?) |
| 16:39.42 | bremner | oh, maybe I have to explicitly point at the right keyring |
| 16:40.41 | jim | how would I list all the packages I put on hold? |
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| 16:42.05 | bremner | iirc, apt-mark can help with that |
| 16:42.14 | Komanda8765 | i must do a python pip upgrade on an old debian server that hasnt been updated for a couple of years but is humming along just fine |
| 16:42.24 | Komanda8765 | it throws me ssl errors |
| 16:42.42 | Komanda8765 | openssl s_client -connect pypi.org:443 |
| 16:42.42 | Komanda8765 | 140279258846888:error:14094410:SSL routines:SSL3_READ_BYTES:sslv3 alert handshake failure:s3_pkt.c:1195:SSL alert number 40 140279258846888:error:1409E0E5:SSL routines:SSL3_WRITE_BYTES:ssl handshake failure:s3_pkt.c:591: |
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| 16:43.44 | jhutchins | Komanda8765: What release is it running? |
| 16:44.15 | Komanda8765 | uname -a |
| 16:44.21 | Komanda8765 | Linux default 2.6.32-312-ec2 #24-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jan 7 18:30:50 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 16:44.35 | greycat | !ubuntu |
| 16:44.35 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 16:45.01 | Komanda8765 | wtf i was sure it was debian |
| 16:45.05 | Komanda8765 | appearantly not |
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| 16:45.42 | Bushmaster | THANK YOU RoyK Things are looking up |
| 16:45.46 | bremner | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.12 | Bushmaster | i still need to install QGIS but updated version, it has some info in QGIS site but i will get to it some other time |
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| 16:47.44 | RoyK | Bushmaster: which version do you need? I haven't touched QGIS for years :) |
| 16:48.01 | Bushmaster | Roy K, let me check |
| 16:48.12 | RoyK | seems 2.14 is in stretch |
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| 16:49.04 | Bushmaster | RoyK, this one https://qgis.org/en/site/forusers/alldownloads.html#debian-ubuntu |
| 16:49.46 | Bushmaster | either 3.2 or 2.18 |
| 16:50.11 | RoyK | seems there's a repo there for debian - should work |
| 16:50.27 | RoyK | just add it to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/somename.list |
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| 16:52.37 | RoyK | or /etc/apt/sources.list, but it's generally a good idea to add those 3rd party repos to separate fies to keep control |
| 16:53.05 | Bushmaster | RoyK, i will have to do it some other time i think i am in crisis cos i wanted to installed R Commander following this link http://www.rcommander.com/index.php/installationrcmdr.html and it seems to be stuck |
| 16:53.29 | RoyK | Bushmaster: it takes about 20 seconds to install that repo |
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| 16:54.35 | jak2000 | hi all, how to do: after start the server run a batch? if possible after promt the login wait 3 minutes and then execute the .sh command... thanks |
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| 16:54.45 | Bushmaster | RoyK here is the problem https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hTQQsK48Yy/ |
| 16:54.50 | Bushmaster | with R commander |
| 16:55.05 | Bushmaster | it stucks, now all it is showing in command line is a solid black promot |
| 16:55.08 | Bushmaster | prompt |
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| 16:56.28 | jelly | greycat: a kernel for some random cloud provider (and EC2 isn't THAT random) may have been built on Ubuntu, but that does not make the userspace automatically Ubuntu |
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| 16:57.13 | greycat | Fair. |
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| 17:00.22 | Komanda8765 | turns out i have an old debian server that was treated like a ubuntu server |
| 17:00.26 | Komanda8765 | ssl is broken |
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| 17:00.56 | Komanda8765 | https://pastebin.com/4y5r8w8x |
| 17:00.56 | greycat | what does "cat /etc/debian_version" say |
| 17:01.05 | Komanda8765 | apt-cache policy |
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| 17:01.20 | Komanda8765 | wheezy/sid |
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| 17:01.28 | Komanda8765 | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:01.31 | greycat | 500 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid/main Translation-en |
| 17:01.32 | greycat | oh jesus |
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| 17:02.23 | greycat | you've got ubuntu natty AND debian lenny AND debian squeeze AND debian multimedia AND debian sid in there, at least... that's where I stopped looking |
| 17:02.24 | jelly | that's a mix of lenny, squeeze at sid time, some ubuntu, some custom repos and I have NO IDEA where openssl 1.0.0e came from, that'd be wheezy-level stuff |
| 17:02.43 | Komanda8765 | yeah |
| 17:02.45 | jelly | libc6 is VERY early squeeze |
| 17:02.58 | Komanda8765 | want cat /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 17:03.03 | greycat | it's a miracle anything works at all |
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| 17:03.11 | jelly | apt-cache policy tells us enough :-) |
| 17:03.14 | Komanda8765 | the old legacy stuff works file |
| 17:03.29 | Komanda8765 | its just that ssl is broken |
| 17:03.37 | Komanda8765 | which i need for praw upgrade |
| 17:03.43 | jelly | Komanda8765: this is the thing: openssl used by python2 is NOT the openssl your "openssl" command shows, for one thing |
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| 17:04.14 | annadane | apt policy basically is /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:04.14 | apt | okay, annadane |
| 17:04.18 | annadane | for fuck sake |
| 17:04.26 | annadane | apt, forget policy basically |
| 17:04.26 | apt | annadane: i forgot policy basically |
| 17:04.27 | jelly | Komanda8765: how much money are you losing each hour or day this thing does not work? |
| 17:04.38 | jelly | um |
| 17:04.45 | jelly | who unmuted apt. |
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| 17:05.19 | Komanda8765 | jelly: just a legacy hobby project that isn't worth to much time |
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| 17:05.23 | jelly | wouldn't touch a system like this for free |
| 17:05.31 | Komanda8765 | lol |
| 17:05.44 | Komanda8765 | so i guess i could start with a new server |
| 17:05.54 | jelly | and migrate apps one by one, yes |
| 17:05.59 | Komanda8765 | yeah |
| 17:06.20 | Komanda8765 | guess the running cost of a new server is less than the time it takes to fix this |
| 17:07.00 | jelly | sanest way forward, instead of figuring out where to get libssl0.9.8 new enough to barely work, but old enough to let python link with it |
| 17:07.46 | jelly | keeps old libraries around to make old proprietary software kind of work |
| 17:08.18 | Komanda8765 | jelly: hmm |
| 17:08.25 | Komanda8765 | but that doesn't sound har |
| 17:08.26 | Komanda8765 | hard |
| 17:08.52 | Komanda8765 | https://pkgs.org/download/libssl0.9.8 |
| 17:08.55 | jelly | yeah, I charge $100/hr for stuff that does not sound hard |
| 17:09.07 | jelly | more if the client is a git |
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| 17:10.07 | Komanda8765 | https://ubuntu.pkgs.org/14.04/ubuntu-universe-amd64/libssl0.9.8_0.9.8o-7ubuntu3.1_amd64.deb.html |
| 17:10.15 | Komanda8765 | that seems to be the pkg right |
| 17:10.31 | Komanda8765 | or is different because its for ubuntu? |
| 17:10.31 | jelly | and then you need to find one that does not rely on newer libc6 |
| 17:10.52 | Komanda8765 | couldnt i just do apt-get install libssl0.9.8 |
| 17:11.12 | jelly | I wouldn't apt-get install anything there |
| 17:11.30 | jelly | without a snapshot to get back to if things break |
| 17:11.49 | Komanda8765 | hmm |
| 17:11.55 | Komanda8765 | i was just thinking |
| 17:12.00 | Komanda8765 | why not bypass SSL |
| 17:12.01 | Komanda8765 | https://www.nyayapati.com/srao/2014/06/how-to-pip-install-python-packages-offline/ |
| 17:12.12 | Komanda8765 | i could also run python pip in offline mode i guess |
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| 17:12.19 | Komanda8765 | and just manually upload the package |
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| 17:12.38 | Komanda8765 | then i wouldnt have to go through any hassle of setting up a new server |
| 17:12.47 | Komanda8765 | and i also wouldnt have to fix this clustefuck |
| 17:12.51 | Komanda8765 | right |
| 17:13.10 | bremner | I hope this machine is not exposed to the internet, or you don't mind hosting random malicious people |
| 17:13.10 | jelly | you absolutely want to install a new system and migrate functionality away, this one is not maintainable |
| 17:13.36 | jelly | bremner: the good thing about really old systems is kiddie scripts do not even try exploits that old |
| 17:13.52 | Komanda8765 | jelly: i know thats the proper way to do things |
| 17:14.08 | Komanda8765 | but i think i can get it to limp along for just a little bit longer :D |
| 17:15.11 | jelly | that's also the reasonable way to do it in this case, I wouldn't waste time analyzing the issue and carefully bolting on new bits onto rusty old openssl or python2 |
| 17:15.44 | annadane | it's honestly less frustration to just migrate everything to stretch |
| 17:16.31 | jelly | making such crap work again can be a fun exercise, but requires lots of care |
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| 17:19.44 | jim | I'm trying to install the build deps for libgit2, (so I can build the buster/sid one, so I can get CodeReview to work), but apt build-dep throws an error... here's the output: http://termbin.com/bh73 |
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| 17:20.57 | jak2000 | hi all, how to do: after start the server run a batch? if possible after promt the login wait 3 minutes and then execute the .sh command... thanks |
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| 17:21.34 | greycat | !rc.local |
| 17:21.34 | dpkg | /etc/rc.local may be used to run simple commands at boot time. It exists by default in jessie or older; in stretch you need to create it. Don't forget the <shebang> and be sure to chmod 755 it. rc.local is considered a hack, a stopgap, or a temporary band-aid; see <systemd> |
| 17:22.10 | greycat | Simplest case, inside rc.local: (sleep 180; /whatever) & |
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| 17:23.04 | jelly | I have a clone of a similarly crappy lenny system that was still in production (on public internet) last year until an automated script managed to use an old exploit to pwn it. Only made it work again because paid to do so. Told the boss if it happened again, it wonldn't be powered up back. |
| 17:23.59 | annadane | is there a page for basic security you should have on a debian system besides the defaults, i know there's a hardening guide but i'd just like to know what the bare minimum is that you really should have |
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| 17:24.39 | jak2000 | greycat thanks |
| 17:24.56 | jelly | annadane: I do not know of a decent one, but even if there were, security isn't a single task to be done, it's an ongoing process |
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| 17:25.34 | jim | I'm trying to install the build deps for libgit2, (so I can build the buster/sid one, so I can get CodeReview to work), but apt build-dep throws an error... here's the output: http://termbin.com/bh73 and, it says I have broken packages on hold, but I don't have any packages on hold |
| 17:26.19 | jelly | ,checkbackport libgit2 |
| 17:26.29 | judd | Backporting package libgit2 in sidâstretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, stretch-backports, virtual. |
| 17:26.45 | jim | (apt-mark showhold has no output) |
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| 17:27.22 | jelly | jim: you need to either: 1) tell apt to it's acceptable to target and install stuff from stretch-backports, or 2) use aptitude which will guide you to do that |
| 17:27.59 | jelly | 1) is accomplished by adding -t stretch-backports to the command line |
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| 17:28.28 | annadane | also IIRC the hardening guide is really old |
| 17:28.48 | jelly | apt-get and apt will NOT consider stuff from backports repo for installation as automatically pulled dependencies |
| 17:29.00 | jim | hmm, do I have aptitude installed... what's the syntax, aptitude -t stretch-backports build-dep libgit2? |
| 17:29.01 | jelly | even when that repo is configured |
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| 17:29.22 | jelly | jim: no. EITHER use -t stretch-backports OR use aptitude |
| 17:29.35 | jim | ok |
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| 17:29.51 | jim | I go try that |
| 17:29.54 | jelly | (you can do both at the same time but it's needless) |
| 17:30.02 | jelly | not needed* |
| 17:30.27 | annadane | more specifically i'm just wondering what to do with the home folder |
| 17:30.38 | annadane | i guess the defaults are fine, though |
| 17:30.48 | annadane | just don't run untrusted garbage |
| 17:31.03 | RoyK | annadane: chmod -R go-rwx $HOME, perhaps |
| 17:31.11 | jelly | using -t makes apt / apt-get think it's okay to install as much from backports as possible even if not needed, which is why I prefer aptitude |
| 17:31.13 | RoyK | just to disable other users' access there |
| 17:32.00 | greycat | RoyK: just change the perms on the directory itself, not recursively |
| 17:32.23 | jim | when I run 'apt -t stretch-backports build-dep libgit2', it says 'E: Unable to find a source package for libgit2' |
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| 17:32.27 | RoyK | greycat: either way |
| 17:32.29 | greycat | RoyK: also, that will fail if this is a web server with ~/public_html/ directories in $HOME |
| 17:32.32 | jim | I'll try it with aptitude |
| 17:32.38 | RoyK | greycat: and perhaps change the defaults in useradd or similar |
| 17:32.51 | jelly | ,v libgit2 |
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| 17:32.52 | judd | No package named 'libgit2' was found in amd64. |
| 17:32.58 | jelly | blinks |
| 17:33.27 | RoyK | greycat: you'll need o+x on the homedirs for apache home to work, though, and last I checked, not a lot of people use that anymore |
| 17:33.28 | jelly | ,v libgit2-dev |
| 17:33.29 | judd | Package: libgit2-dev on amd64 -- jessie: 0.21.1-3; stretch: 0.25.1+really0.24.6-1; buster: 0.27.4+dfsg.1-0.1; sid: 0.27.4+dfsg.1-0.1 |
| 17:34.04 | jim | I want to build the buster one |
| 17:34.05 | greycat | 0.25.1+really0.24.6-1 ... wut |
| 17:34.30 | jelly | jim: or tell apt you want a specific version of source package. apt -t stretch-backports build-dep libgit2=0.27.4+dfsg.1-0.1 |
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| 17:34.38 | greycat | RoyK: plus read permissions on the actual files to be served out of public_html |
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| 17:35.02 | jelly | greycat: "we messed up but don't like using epoch" |
| 17:35.02 | RoyK | greycat: yeah, but still, do people still use mod_userdir? |
| 17:35.06 | jim | I'll try that |
| 17:35.12 | jelly | RoyK: yes |
| 17:35.19 | jelly | cries |
| 17:35.34 | greycat | well, I use nginx instead of apache, but still |
| 17:35.43 | jim | ok, that seemed to work |
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| 17:36.32 | jim | and the libgit2 build seems to be working |
| 17:36.32 | xijio | how do I add a second ip address to one interface, do I just add a second "address 192.168.1.2" in "/etc/network/interfaces" |
| 17:36.34 | jelly | jim: now purge all the installed stuff and try aptitude |
| 17:36.38 | jelly | :-) |
| 17:37.04 | discovered | rc.local is no longer in debian? |
| 17:37.09 | RoyK | any iea if nginx has some way of allowing users to run things like php as their own user? there was a hack for apache for it, but it's pretty far from secure |
| 17:37.13 | jim | aptitude threw a different error... |
| 17:37.24 | RoyK | discovered: iirc it should work, but please don't - better just use systemd |
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| 17:37.43 | jim | I'm building on the term where I tried it, so the output isn't available at the moment |
| 17:37.48 | discovered | I want to execute an application when debian boot. |
| 17:37.57 | greycat | !rc.local |
| 17:37.57 | dpkg | /etc/rc.local may be used to run simple commands at boot time. It exists by default in jessie or older; in stretch you need to create it. Don't forget the <shebang> and be sure to chmod 755 it. rc.local is considered a hack, a stopgap, or a temporary band-aid; see <systemd> |
| 17:38.06 | RoyK | discovered: add to crontab @reboot /run/this/thing.sh |
| 17:38.12 | greycat | ewww, no |
| 17:38.38 | jim | what's the ewww? |
| 17:38.42 | xijio | I kinda wanna get the network stuff right cuz I won't be able to have physical access to the device until tomorrow |
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| 17:39.09 | RoyK | greycat: what? |
| 17:39.27 | greycat | Bad enough having to look in rc.local to find stuff, but to add *two* crontab locations to the mix? |
| 17:39.29 | jelly | xijio: what's the interface name? |
| 17:39.36 | xijio | eno1 |
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| 17:40.30 | RoyK | greycat: I didn't say which crontab - there are a few |
| 17:40.47 | greycat | I know, so if you want to figure out what the hell started frobozz.sh you have to look in all of them. |
| 17:40.57 | RoyK | discovered: learning basic systemd is simple - try :) |
| 17:41.12 | greycat | If you even *remember* that crontab has an @reboot feature, which may take you several minutes of head-scratching. |
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| 17:41.30 | xijio | jelly: https://pastebin.com/sGaXAXrs |
| 17:41.40 | jelly | xijio: the old legacy way is to use old legacy "aliases", in the interfaces(5) file that's written like this command's output: printf "auto eno1:0\niface eno1:0 inet static\n\taddress 192.168.1.2/24\n" |
| 17:41.41 | RoyK | greycat: it'd be one of the first things to check if you wonder how that thing started ;) |
| 17:41.55 | RoyK | greycat: I didn't say it'd be optimal, but that it'd work |
| 17:41.58 | ntd | @reboot ; /bin/sleep X ; /path/to.... |
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| 17:42.41 | discovered | RoyK, crontab is not better? |
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| 17:42.55 | RoyK | discovered: systemd is definetely better |
| 17:43.15 | RoyK | discovered: it'll keep the software running and restart it if it fails |
| 17:43.16 | xijio | jelly: is there a better way I should be doing it |
| 17:44.38 | jelly | xijio: eg. http://paste.debian.net/1038334/ (I've converted netmask to CIDR format in address line, this works since Debian 8 or so) |
| 17:45.14 | jelly | xijio: and then run "ifup eno1:0" |
| 17:45.28 | jelly | or reboot and see if it works |
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| 17:46.56 | jelly | there might be a better way but not within debian's /etc/network/interfaces. An option is to add ip addr commands inside the main iface eno1 ... stanza |
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| 17:47.18 | jelly | I use that if there's a zillion secondary IP addresses to be configured |
| 17:47.56 | greycat | so what I'm hearing is "Debian hasn't yet implemented a natural way to support multiple IPs on an interface yet" |
| 17:47.58 | jelly | I guess you'd have to switch to systemd's networkd way of configuration to do it in a nicer way |
| 17:48.00 | greycat | oops, too many yets |
| 17:48.22 | jelly | greycat: oh it did, in like 1997 and is sticking with that |
| 17:49.24 | jelly | ubuntu is moving away from ifupdown (the thing that /etc/network/interfaces is a config file for, and using their own custom new generator that can generate either networkd or N-M config. |
| 17:49.28 | jelly | Because reasons. |
| 17:49.47 | jelly | ) |
| 17:50.04 | xijio | jelly: do I have to do anything speical to get the new interface to auto start on reboot? |
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| 17:50.36 | jelly | xijio: that line starting with "auto" is the special thing. |
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| 17:51.42 | xijio | jelly: ah perfect, makes sense. Thanks a ton! |
| 17:51.50 | galaxie | Hi, so, I messed up fontconfig real bad some weeks ago and it's finally been bothering me enough to try and fix it. So, basically, I tried installing Firefox Quantum, but I didn't quite understand pinning and all, and I must've upgraded/downgraded fontconfig to an incompatible version or something. |
| 17:54.39 | galaxie | Here's some of the errors I see everytime I start a GUI application that uses fonts: https://pastebin.com/3r3gX4xN |
| 17:54.47 | greycat | Trying firefox quantum should have absolutely no pinning involved. |
| 17:55.02 | galaxie | I just need to know how to reinstall fontconfig to where it recognizes its own config file again. |
| 17:55.18 | galaxie | greycay: Well, I am running Debian 9 and it was trying to pull it from sid or something?? |
| 17:55.46 | greycat | You try firefox quantum by downloading the tarball (or whatever it uses) from mozilla.com. NOT a .deb file. NOT a .deb file from sid. |
| 17:55.56 | galaxie | greycat: When I am done fixing this, I'd appreciate an up-to-date tutorial or something that. |
| 17:56.07 | galaxie | greycat: Does it automatically upgrade itself? |
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| 17:57.14 | jelly | galaxie: mozilla's builds update themselves if you unpack them as the same user that runs them. That is, if they have write permissions to their installation directory. |
| 17:58.05 | galaxie | jelly: So, I'd unpack it somewhere in /usr/local or something? |
| 17:58.31 | jelly | /usr/local/firefox might be an option, or /opt/firefox |
| 17:58.54 | greycat | or ~/firefox or whatever you want |
| 17:58.59 | jelly | gah |
| 17:59.02 | galaxie | jelly: OK. So, how do I fix this fontconfig error? |
| 17:59.29 | jelly | galaxie: depends on how many packages got upgraded to something newer than stretch |
| 17:59.41 | galaxie | jelly: Uh, I think it downgraded? |
| 17:59.56 | galaxie | jelly: I believe it was just fontconfig and maybe a dependency or two of that. |
| 18:00.05 | jelly | do you have logs? |
| 18:00.25 | galaxie | jelly: Hmm, but it says: fontconfig/stable,now 2.11.0-6.7+b1 amd64 [installed] |
| 18:00.35 | jelly | beliefs make for poor package name lists. |
| 18:01.04 | jelly | !obsolete |
| 18:01.04 | dpkg | If you remove a repository from your sources.list (e.g. removing <dmm>), then you should check what packages you have installed from the other repository. Synaptic and aptitude have a "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages" list. Or, "aptitude search ~o". Note this doesn't include packages that exist in the repo at a different version to the one you have installed; see <not available> <list repositories>. |
| 18:01.53 | jelly | see if you can figure out whcih packages you got installed that are not available from any stretch repo. Before that, disable all non-default repos |
| 18:02.05 | jelly | !stretch sources.list |
| 18:02.05 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 18:02.34 | galaxie | jelly: OK, so the log part was in a gzip'd file, here's the relevant line: fontconfig-config:amd64 (2.11.0-6.7, 2.13.0-5) |
| 18:02.50 | galaxie | jelly: So that'd make it a downgrade? |
| 18:02.50 | jelly | since downgrades are not supported, even when you coerce apt* to downgrade something you're left of with newer config files. Because not supported. |
| 18:02.59 | jelly | left off* |
| 18:03.28 | jelly | after you figure out which packages might be affected, try to |
| 18:03.32 | jelly | !confdef |
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| 18:03.41 | jelly | or was it !confnew |
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| 18:04.43 | galaxie | jelly: .save files in APT sources.list.d are not used, right? |
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| 18:05.09 | greycat | they have to end with .list to be used |
| 18:06.08 | galaxie | jelly: So, I found the two packages that were downgraded; do I uninstall and reinstall them or what, now that sid backports or whatever it was called is not a .list? |
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| 18:07.11 | jelly | galaxie: "apt-cache policy" will tell you the active deb sources |
| 18:08.02 | jelly | make sure you have versions from stretch installed now and do the confdef (or confnew?) thing |
| 18:08.22 | galaxie | jelly: No sid in there. apt-cache search shows that stretch has those two packages. |
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| 18:08.36 | galaxie | jelly: But do I uninstall the sid version first? |
| 18:10.39 | jelly | option 1) purge packages with sid versions (using low level tool like dpkg, probably with --force-depends), risking your whole system break depending on how important they are, then let something like "apt -f install" install back the versions from stretch |
| 18:10.42 | jelly | or |
| 18:11.28 | jelly | option 2) explicitely downgrade the packages, which you seem not to have done yet, using apt install package=version syntax, then do the !confdef or !confnew thing on them |
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| 18:11.57 | galaxie | jelly: How do I downgrade downgraded packages? Like, I want the newer one, the one I used to have. |
| 18:12.08 | jelly | they are not downgraded yet |
| 18:12.16 | RoyK | !downgrade |
| 18:12.17 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 18:12.29 | jelly | downgrade means installing a lower version that what's currently installed |
| 18:12.32 | galaxie | jelly: How? Downgrade means an older version of a package, right? In which case, the whole problem was that I downgraded. |
| 18:12.49 | RoyK | just reinstall the machine |
| 18:12.52 | RoyK | backup first |
| 18:13.00 | RoyK | and don't use Sid |
| 18:13.03 | jelly | galaxie: I think you have not "downgraded", you have "upgraded" |
| 18:13.09 | greycat | NO, the whole problem was you mixed sid with another release. |
| 18:13.25 | greycat | Or any two releases. |
| 18:13.32 | galaxie | jelly: Upgraded to an older version? That sounds like an oxymoron. |
| 18:13.46 | RoyK | (or just used Sid) |
| 18:13.52 | jelly | galaxie: "sid" has newer versions, not older. |
| 18:13.57 | greycat | The problem began because you INSTALLED SID VERSIONS of things, and those versions are HIGHER than what's in stable, so we call that an "UPGRADE". |
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| 18:14.33 | RoyK | it takes less time to reinstall it than to try to fix this |
| 18:14.38 | RoyK | beleive me on this |
| 18:14.52 | galaxie | greycay: Why do I always forget stretch is not the latest *facepalms* |
| 18:14.57 | jelly | reinstall is easy |
| 18:15.11 | jelly | setting everything up just the way I like it takes TIME |
| 18:15.55 | jelly | galaxie: stretch is Debian 9, the current release. sid is not a release, it's basically the development branch |
| 18:16.18 | jelly | so stretch is the latest a normal user would want to consider |
| 18:18.15 | galaxie | jelly: OK, so now it's more weird: I ran apt list libnss3 -a and it shows I have two versions installed concurrently?! |
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| 18:18.38 | jelly | I have no idea what apt list does, sorry |
| 18:18.38 | RoyK | backup everything first, reinstall, install etckeeper and just make sure everything is back - usersettings are under $HOME and the package list can be found in dpkg --get-selections |
| 18:18.43 | RoyK | it's not that fucking hard |
| 18:19.05 | greycat | that assume you only have things from Debian packages |
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| 18:19.16 | RoyK | greycat: yes, obviously |
| 18:19.29 | RoyK | greycat: other things shouldn't be on the host, but in containers |
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| 18:19.36 | jelly | selections will contain the automatically installed deps too |
| 18:19.43 | jelly | !aptitude clone |
| 18:19.43 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>. |
| 18:20.14 | RoyK | how much custom stuff do you have on this one anyway? |
| 18:20.24 | RoyK | usually most things are done within an hour |
| 18:20.33 | RoyK | and you have spent more time debugging it already |
| 18:21.00 | galaxie | RoyK: A lot. |
| 18:21.15 | RoyK | once you start mixing different debian versions, you're basically fucked, at least when it's Sid we're taling about |
| 18:21.35 | RoyK | then take this as a lesson - don't mix debian versions |
| 18:22.09 | RoyK | and - don't install from source directly - better use checkinstall or something to build packages |
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| 18:22.43 | galaxie | RoyK: Yeah, I wish I used that years ago. |
| 18:22.47 | dvs | Well, he's f**ked until buster |
| 18:23.10 | RoyK | better start now, then |
| 18:23.22 | RoyK | dvs: there are packages in Sid that will never get into Buster |
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| 18:23.33 | dvs | true |
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| 18:27.22 | discovered | i installed mysql , but its showing mariaDB? |
| 18:27.35 | RoyK | discovered: mysql is out - mariadb is in :) |
| 18:27.41 | galaxie | Well, thanks for the help, I guess this might be some more motivation to just start all over again. I might not be using Debian next time, though, sorry! |
| 18:27.48 | RoyK | it's a fork - does the same job - same commands etc |
| 18:28.30 | RoyK | mariadb was forked from mysql back when Oracle took over |
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| 18:29.11 | discovered | RoyK, oo. Not sure what happened with mysql! |
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| 18:29.22 | discovered | mysql was popular |
| 18:29.23 | Texou | hi |
| 18:29.26 | RoyK | well, mariadb works even better |
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| 18:30.15 | jelly | discovered: this mariadb thing is a mostly compatible fork |
| 18:30.16 | dvs | discovered, RoyK just told you: Oracle took over |
| 18:31.07 | jelly | so when you ask the package manager to install mysql-server, you get mariadb |
| 18:31.24 | Texou | when I issue mount, I get http://paste.debian.net/1038340/ How can I change the folder where is mounted tmpfs (/run, /tmp in particular). I have no entry in my fstab related to tmpfs. My final purpose is to append my tmp in my RAM with mount -t tmpfs -o size=100M none /pathtotmp |
| 18:32.09 | RoyK | discovered: btw, if you don't need wordpress, better give postgresql a try - it's way better than mariadb/mysql except for multimaster clusters |
| 18:32.14 | jelly | Texou: /run and /tmp are required for normal work, are separate from each other and "tmpfs" is just a fs type, like ext4 or vfat. |
| 18:32.54 | jelly | Texou: if you want a custom tmpfs mountpoint of your own, just mkdir and configure and use it |
| 18:33.07 | Texou | jelly: but how to configure it? |
| 18:33.18 | greycat | by writing a line in fstab typically |
| 18:33.39 | RoyK | (rocket science) |
| 18:33.39 | Texou | greycat: I tried one beginning with tmpfs, no success :) |
| 18:33.50 | greycat | "man fstab" for the format |
| 18:33.51 | RoyK | Texou: man fstab first |
| 18:33.57 | jelly | Texou: do you want a separate mountpoint for some reason or do you want to resize the amount of (ram+swap) for /tmp? |
| 18:33.59 | Texou | I am ready to keep /run and /tmp, but their content should stay in ram I think |
| 18:34.25 | Texou | jelly: I just want to append all tmp info in the RAM |
| 18:34.33 | Texou | instead of somewhere on the hdd |
| 18:34.34 | greycat | I have no idea what those words mean. |
| 18:34.48 | jelly | Texou: pastebin the output of "df" and "mount", please |
| 18:34.56 | greycat | "append" means "tack onto the end of something" |
| 18:34.57 | jelly | oh you got mount already |
| 18:35.18 | Texou | greycat: sorry, English problem. I mean "send" |
| 18:35.24 | RoyK | Texou: /run is on tmpfs by default, not /tmp - you can change that if you like |
| 18:35.48 | Texou | jelly: mount is here http://paste.debian.net/1038343/ |
| 18:35.56 | Texou | jelly: oops |
| 18:36.10 | jelly | your /tmp is not backed by a tmpfs fs right now |
| 18:36.15 | Texou | jelly: df is here http://paste.debian.net/1038344/ |
| 18:36.46 | RoyK | your /tmp is on the root fs |
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| 18:37.07 | RoyK | which normally works fine, but some people like to move it elsewhere |
| 18:37.08 | Texou | RoyK: yes and I would like it to be in RAM |
| 18:37.23 | Texou | RoyK: exact. How can I move it? |
| 18:37.35 | RoyK | that has been explained above |
| 18:37.47 | Texou | oh via fstab then |
| 18:37.59 | Texou | I should see what is the syntax |
| 18:38.08 | Texou | and what about /run? |
| 18:38.08 | RoyK | good start |
| 18:38.25 | RoyK | it's already on tmpfs, as 'mount' shows you - you pastebinned it |
| 18:39.05 | Texou | RoyK: but where is it tmpfs? I see it nowhere physically. You mean all info in it are not written on the partition? |
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| 18:39.30 | RoyK | try man tmpfs |
| 18:39.35 | Texou | ah ok |
| 18:39.37 | RoyK | !book |
| 18:39.37 | dpkg | For documentation and books on Debian, see http://www.debian.org/doc and http://www.debian.org/doc/books . For the recently released "Debian Administrator's Handbook", ask me about <debian-handbook>; there is also the older <debiansystem>. Also ask me about <grounding>. |
| 18:39.56 | RoyK | debian-handbook is quite good |
| 18:40.12 | Texou | ok |
| 18:40.18 | Texou | thanks |
| 18:40.32 | RoyK | !debian-handbook |
| 18:40.32 | dpkg | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>. PDF at https://debian-handbook.info/download/stable/debian-handbook.pdf |
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| 18:41.28 | jelly | Texou: tmpfs is backed by (ram and swap) |
| 18:41.38 | Texou | oh ok |
| 18:41.45 | jelly | ramfs is backed by ram only |
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| 18:42.06 | Texou | I had not entered in the system for a long, I sart seeing how it is hard to be back :) |
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| 18:42.44 | jelly | mount a tmpgs for /tmp used to be configured in /etc/default/tmpfs but that is apparently ignore with systemd and I have no idea where it's configured now |
| 18:43.34 | Texou | hmmm :) |
| 18:43.39 | Texou | I love systemd :) |
| 18:44.17 | Texou | jelly: anyway all this show that the only relevant thing is to work on /tmp, because /run does not write anything on the hard drive. I thought both wrote on it |
| 18:45.30 | discovered | what the hell, mariadb give me access whatever password i input. Confused! |
| 18:46.23 | jelly | discovered: if you run /usr/bin/mysql client as root you do not need a password |
| 18:47.14 | jelly | (since debian 9 and mariadb-server that comes with that) |
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| 18:48.00 | discovered | jelly, now from normal user i can't login if i even input correct password |
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| 18:49.21 | no_gravity | So I pressed CTRL+a_ in screen and it told me "The window is now being monitored for 30 sec. silence.". What does that mean? |
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| 18:58.58 | annadane | hrm. would it be considered a bug that installing pcsx2 with multiarch enabled removes notification-daemon because notification-daemon:i386 installs? https://paste.debian.net/1038345/ |
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| 18:59.26 | annadane | an i386 package shouldn't be an intentional Conflicts |
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| 19:00.00 | jelly | no |
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| 19:00.38 | jelly | not all packages are migrated to be multiarch coinstallable |
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| 19:01.57 | annadane | should i just go ahead with the package installation? |
| 19:01.58 | jelly | annadane: what does "dpkg --print-architecture" say? |
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| 19:02.10 | annadane | amd64 |
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| 19:02.38 | jelly | annadane: and what does "apt-cache policy pcsx2" say? In fact do the whole !bat |
| 19:02.40 | jelly | !bat |
| 19:02.40 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 19:02.52 | annadane | 'kay |
| 19:03.08 | jelly | ,v pcsx2 --arch amd64 |
| 19:03.10 | judd | No package named 'pcsx2' was found in amd64. |
| 19:03.16 | jelly | ,v pcsx2 --arch i386 |
| 19:03.17 | judd | Package: pcsx2 on i386 -- buster: 1.4.0+dfsg-2; sid: 1.4.0+dfsg-2; stretch: 1.4.0+dfsg-2 |
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| 19:03.22 | jelly | huh |
| 19:03.34 | jelly | so it's a 32bit only package |
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| 19:05.48 | jelly | and also not all packages have fixed dependencies to depend on, say, notification-daemon:any instead of notification-daemon |
| 19:06.04 | jelly | so that's actually a filable bug |
| 19:06.31 | jelly | I was wrong, sorry |
| 19:07.16 | jelly | annadane: whatever it is in the dependency tree that pulls in notification-daemon probably ought to pull in notification-daemon:any |
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| 19:08.18 | jelly | figure out which package, file a bug report, and wait for buster :-) |
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| 19:08.43 | annadane | well, figure out which package, file a bug report, and then just download the tarball |
| 19:09.37 | jelly | or try --without-recommends and hope |
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| 19:09.52 | jelly | or live with a 32bit notification daemon thingy |
| 19:09.57 | annadane | it's quodlibet, apparently |
| 19:10.13 | annadane | which i don't even need so i can just uninstall it |
| 19:10.18 | annadane | still file a bug, though |
| 19:10.23 | annadane | er |
| 19:10.29 | annadane | hang on, am i getting myself confused |
| 19:10.33 | jelly | probably cheaper to buy a real PS2 than waste more time debugging |
| 19:11.36 | annadane | heh why is this confusing, sid's dependencies in theory are more confusing than this |
| 19:11.40 | annadane | i'm losing my touch |
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| 19:12.53 | annadane | can i... just... install notification-daemon:i386, and solve the issue that way... |
| 19:13.27 | annadane | unless that does conflict, i haven't checked it |
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| 19:14.29 | annadane | oh jelly also that bug report wouldn't make sense anyway, this is a stretch install with the xfce task, so it came with quodlibet first and only after i added i386 |
| 19:14.49 | annadane | i task-xfce-desktop Recommends quodlibet |
| 19:15.47 | annadane | sorry, i should say, "quotlibet first, and only after, i added i386" |
| 19:15.51 | annadane | quod* |
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| 19:17.58 | annadane | notification-daemon:i386 does *not* conflict with notificiation-daemon |
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| 19:18.13 | annadane | so i'll try installing pcsx2 with aptitude |
| 19:18.57 | algun|home | Hey, I'm having trouble installing npm. The package nodejs doesn't include it, and trying to install the package npm says it depends on npm-tar vs 4+ "but v2something is going to be installed" |
| 19:19.42 | bites | algun|home: if you want npm you can go with the upstream nodejs package. |
| 19:19.57 | annadane | this is really weird. there's something going on here |
| 19:20.04 | annadane | i'll track it down in a little bit |
| 19:20.54 | annadane | the only package from backports i have installed is streamlink, and i think that was installed after i added multi-arch, wonder if there's a there there |
| 19:21.05 | bites | algun|home: they have a script that automagically sets up their repository for you. https://nodejs.org/en/download/package-manager/#debian-and-ubuntu-based-linux-distributions |
| 19:21.09 | algun|home | bites: What do you mean? Add the node project repository? |
| 19:21.18 | bites | yes |
| 19:21.20 | algun|home | I'd like to use my system's pkgs |
| 19:21.40 | bremner | O |
| 19:21.44 | bites | well, there is none. |
| 19:22.11 | annadane | depends on your motivations |
| 19:22.25 | annadane | if it's a question of trust or not wanting breakage you can trust that particular repository |
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| 19:22.51 | algun|home | bites: but there is, isn't there (it's just broken)? |
| 19:22.52 | bremner | I'm having trouble detecting an intel i219-LM ethernet device during a stretch install. I _thought_ I was using the firmware included iso, but maybe that write didn't take. |
| 19:22.56 | annadane | or uh, virtualize it i guess |
| 19:23.06 | bites | ,v npm |
| 19:23.08 | judd | Package: npm on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4.21+ds-2; sid: 5.8.0+ds-2 |
| 19:23.11 | bites | algun|home: ^ |
| 19:23.24 | greycat | (do NOT use a sid package on stretch) |
| 19:23.42 | bites | upstream is really the way to go with nodejs and npm. |
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| 19:24.02 | annadane | even in sid, how often is that updated |
| 19:24.03 | bites | they have decent debian packages. |
| 19:24.10 | annadane | sid != every package newest |
| 19:24.14 | algun|home | i don't like third party sources |
| 19:25.24 | bites | yeah, well, debian doesn't like things with quick release cycles. |
| 19:25.56 | bremner | lspci shows Ethernet Controller: Intel Corporation Devince 15bb |
| 19:25.59 | annadane | isn't the npm repo basically designed to work with debian, and is maintained directly by the upstream author, you can use it |
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| 19:27.19 | bites | nodejs is |
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| 19:27.27 | bites | and includes npm |
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| 19:32.25 | annadane | this is such a weird problem :P |
| 19:32.35 | bremner | a simpler question: how do I tell if I really have the firmware files on my installer image? |
| 19:32.39 | annadane | legitimately going to require like an hour of figuring out stable dependencies |
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| 19:37.52 | bremner | well, I looked and there is /firmware with a bunch of .deb in it. |
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| 19:54.10 | algun|home | I executed https://deb.nodesource.com/setup_8.x as instructed by the Node project, and there's no new source in /etc/apt/sources.list - What gives? |
| 19:54.23 | greycat | look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ as well |
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| 19:57.07 | algun|home | greycat: hi. there it is. thanks |
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| 20:06.43 | algun|home | greycat: are you satisfied with posix and debian? |
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| 20:07.32 | greycat | I'm... what? Are you trying to say something like "Debian's level of POSIX compliance"? |
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| 20:08.53 | algun|home | I mean haven't you ver reevaluated the whole unix thing? But also Debian's default packages and conventions too. |
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| 20:11.47 | algun|home | greycat: ? |
| 20:12.03 | algun|home | can you please join #debian-offtopic? |
| 20:12.42 | algun|home | i guess maybe you never considered it and think it's ridiculous |
| 20:15.24 | greycat | I've never been one to put a lot of ... faith-investment? ... into certifications and standards-conformance testing, if that's what you were leading into. |
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| 20:16.11 | annadane | i don't even know what POSIX compliance is, i just use debian because it's awesome |
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| 20:17.14 | greycat | POSIX is a set of standards that all unix-like systems are supposed to adhere to (and can exceed, of course). Several years ago, there was some buzz about distro-forks which aimed at being officially certified as 100% POSIX compliant. Nobody ever cared. |
| 20:17.19 | algun|home | greycat: no, it's just that you know a lot of thing by heart that I'd only suffer to learn by heart if I was enthusiastic enough (ie if I didn't think there was a better way) |
| 20:17.40 | annadane | no i know what POSIX is, i just haven't read the specifics |
| 20:17.40 | algun|home | a lot of things. wish you joined offtopic though |
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| 20:17.49 | annadane | i'm implying "i don't care as long as it works" |
| 20:19.07 | algun|home | I do care about (sane) interoperability |
| 20:20.32 | greycat | No real-world program can survive on *just* the posix feature set, so in reality, having an OS certified as posix-compliant just doesn't matter. To be sure your app will run on everything, you still have to add a shitload of #ifdef's or whatever. |
| 20:20.51 | algun|home | Why do you think so? |
| 20:21.10 | greycat | Look at the apps people actually care about. Like docker. |
| 20:21.20 | greycat | Like web browsers. |
| 20:21.40 | algun|home | I don't care about docker |
| 20:25.09 | greycat | Another example: nginx, and probably other web servers, uses the sendfile(2) system call to efficiently transfer static files over the socket to the web client. That's not posix (says so right in the man page). |
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| 20:25.58 | greycat | All the cgroup stuff that makes systemd work? Not portable either. |
| 20:26.08 | algun|home | let's just leave systemd aside |
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| 20:26.58 | algun|home | i agree it would be a competitive disadvantage not to use a syscall like sendfile |
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| 20:27.30 | greycat | have fun. |
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| 21:43.58 | jbetz | so, I'm trying to connect to an openvpn server, and though network-manager tells me it connected, I'm not |
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| 21:44.22 | jbetz | and the fishiest message in syslogs is `SCPlugin-Ifupdown: device added (path: /sys/devices/virtual/net/tun0, iface: tun0): no ifupdown configuration found.` |
| 21:44.43 | jbetz | could this be the problem? and if so, how to fix? |
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| 21:45.41 | jbetz | this is on elive, which runs on wheezy |
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| 22:22.03 | HelloShitty | Hello people |
| 22:22.26 | HelloShitty | How safe is to convert an whole hard drive from NTFS to ext4 without loosing data? |
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| 22:23.08 | HelloShitty | I'm using Debian 9 and I need to convert my 500Gb HDD from NTFS to ext4 because Dropbox will stop synching data if I don't do it |
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| 22:28.00 | _xalen | You could just shrink it and create a smaller partition, format it with ext4, mount it on your system and use it exclusively for Dropbox |
| 22:29.16 | _xalen | Also, since NTFS is from Microsoft, you probably will be fine with it. |
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| 22:31.35 | RM5424 | hey guys suddenly when I try to apt install something I get |
| 22:31.37 | RM5424 | dpkg: warning: 'ldconfig' not found in PATH or not executable |
| 22:31.38 | dpkg | rm5424: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 22:31.43 | RM5424 | and |
| 22:31.51 | RM5424 | dpkg: warning: 'start-stop-daemon' not found in PATH or not executable |
| 22:31.51 | dpkg | rm5424: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 22:32.00 | annadane | shut up dpkg |
| 22:32.13 | annadane | RM5424, are you on stretch? |
| 22:32.32 | RM5424 | also "reboot" which always worked isn't working anymore, so obviously something is wrong with paths |
| 22:32.41 | RM5424 | annadane: debian stable |
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| 22:36.02 | RM5424 | mmm I think I found it |
| 22:36.06 | zerothis | which room should I go to to get sound working in Debian Bo? |
| 22:36.25 | RM5424 | echo $PATH -> /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games |
| 22:36.40 | RM5424 | I installed some libs required by love engine recently |
| 22:36.54 | annadane | what is debian bo? |
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| 22:37.31 | HelloShitty | _xalen: Dropbox is changing for ext4 soon |
| 22:37.40 | zerothis | Debian Bo is version 1.3.1 I think. First ever version on CD |
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| 22:38.31 | mtn | zerothis: you need a time machine :p |
| 22:39.12 | zerothis | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianBo I have 1.3.1. I do have a time machine. I'm using qemu. BO runs nicely, but not sound |
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| 22:39.29 | annadane | oh. uhhhhhhhhh. |
| 22:39.34 | annadane | ...here... i guess? |
| 22:39.53 | annadane | assume you're running it out of curiosity and not for an actual productivity based machine or connected to the internet |
| 22:40.30 | annadane | like, why are you ever running anything pre-wheezy, let alone bo |
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| 22:42.14 | zerothis | I cannot make the game Inner Worlds run on later versions than 1.3.1 |
| 22:42.16 | usney | coruja it works |
| 22:42.23 | _xalen | HelloShitty, Yes, my bad. The first point is still valid: you don't have to format your entire disk. Just shrink it, create a small partition, format it with ext4 and mount it to use it with Dropbox. |
| 22:42.38 | usney | The 3d acceleration works on debian |
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| 22:43.14 | usney | it was years ago that it didn't work on debian but worked in ubuntu |
| 22:43.26 | usney | refurbished my 2005 year old laptop |
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| 22:48.01 | HelloShitty | _xalen: yeah, that's the best option probably |
| 22:48.12 | HelloShitty | I'm just afraid to mess thing up with fdisk |
| 22:48.23 | usney | mtn how long have you had that nickname for? |
| 22:48.29 | usney | seems familiar |
| 22:48.47 | mtn | usney: 20+ years |
| 22:49.00 | usney | are you into gnu and fsf stuff? |
| 22:49.36 | mtn | usney: not really |
| 22:49.50 | usney | have you ever used gnewsense or trisquel? |
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| 22:50.04 | mtn | usney: getting off topic |
| 22:50.15 | usney | oh sorry |
| 22:50.41 | usney | what is systemd all about? |
| 22:50.48 | usney | security stuff? |
| 22:51.09 | usney | is it like apparmour? |
| 22:52.00 | annadane | er... |
| 22:52.09 | annadane | !systemd |
| 22:52.09 | dpkg | systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. systemd shipped as a technology preview in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and is the default init system in Debian 8 "Jessie". https://wiki.debian.org/systemd #debian-systemd on irc.oftc.net http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd #systemd on irc.freenode.net. See also <why systemd>. |
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| 22:57.03 | usney | I got a question about powerpc 32bit |
| 22:57.21 | usney | once you install debian 8 can you upgrade to debian 9? |
| 22:58.22 | usney | if it isn't recommended to use debian for this old architecture what distro would you recommend to use instead? |
| 22:58.46 | usney | I've heard that a non linux distro called openbsd works with this old hardware just fine |
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| 22:59.18 | annadane | i think openbsd does support it |
| 22:59.27 | annadane | they support a lot of obscure systems |
| 22:59.43 | annadane | (and not nvidia. that goes to show you how f!@#ing stupid that whole situation is.) |
| 22:59.48 | annadane | pulls a Torvalds. |
| 23:04.11 | usney | haha |
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| 23:04.52 | usney | yes I checked their website and the device is listed as supported that I want to refurbish |
| 23:05.19 | usney | I just would like to use the latest software or at least more recent that on the old mac |
| 23:05.28 | usney | OS |
| 23:05.38 | usney | mac os x |
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| 23:06.10 | annadane | i would love to use openbsd. but i can't. because nouveau is still garbage. |
| 23:06.14 | annadane | thanks, nvidia |
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| 23:12.50 | usney | so are you saying my graphics card probably won't work? |
| 23:13.11 | usney | last time I think I installed linux on it the graphics was all messed up |
| 23:13.19 | usney | not displaying properly |
| 23:14.18 | annadane | well, i'm not saying anything, i'm just bitching about the corporate stupidity of nvidia |
| 23:14.38 | annadane | powerpc isn't supported in stretch. you can use openbsd but if your card is nvidia you'll probably have problems |
| 23:14.41 | annadane | beyond that i don't know |
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| 23:20.10 | mellotto | hi there |
| 23:20.24 | mellotto | quick one: I just got a freshly installed debian. when opening the system settings in plasma, the button "get new themes' is missing. |
| 23:20.30 | mellotto | is this a kown issue? any clue? |
| 23:23.35 | Brigo | mellotto, maybe you have to get them from debian packages |
| 23:27.56 | wgas | try workspace theme > desktop theme, its there |
| 23:29.13 | usney | how to I create a multiboot iso file bootable usb disk using the command line in debian? |
| 23:31.45 | Tarrasquero | sudo dd bs=4M if=.iso of=/dev/sdx && sync (?) |
| 23:32.24 | usney | doesn't that just make one iso bootable? |
| 23:32.53 | Tarrasquero | yes |
| 23:32.58 | usney | all the guides I find online are for doing what I want on the windows platform which I don't use |
| 23:34.12 | usney | maybe I could partition the drive and decompress the iso files and put them in each partition then install grub mbr once I am done? |
| 23:35.05 | usney | well I do have a virtual machine of windows and I can access my usb drives from windows in virtualbox |
| 23:35.13 | usney | I do that instead |
| 23:36.33 | Tarrasquero | all the guides I find online are for doing what I want on the windows platform which I don't use |
| 23:36.36 | Tarrasquero | maybe I could partition the drive and decompress the iso files and put them in each partition then install grub mbr once I am done? |
| 23:36.40 | Tarrasquero | upps |
| 23:36.46 | Tarrasquero | I think what you want to do is a typical installation but in a USB |
| 23:37.21 | usney | no I want the installation medium on the usb drive |
| 23:37.35 | usney | for installing on refurbished computers |
| 23:38.18 | usney | just be more convenient if it was just on one big usb jump drive |
| 23:38.39 | Tarrasquero | dd â |
| 23:39.03 | usney | yes I know the dd command I've done that before |
| 23:39.29 | usney | but is there a way to do multiple iso files on one usb stick? |
| 23:39.30 | Tarrasquero | ah |
| 23:40.01 | usney | where it makes a menu for picking which distro that the customer would like me to install |
| 23:40.27 | Tarrasquero | I do not know if creating the iso multiboot before |
| 23:40.52 | usney | that's okay I'll try it on windows |
| 23:42.19 | usney | Tarrasquero why is debian faster than ubuntu? |
| 23:43.09 | Tarrasquero | because he does not have steroids |
| 23:43.12 | usney | what's the username and password to the livecds? |
| 23:43.17 | Tarrasquero | lol |
| 23:43.51 | usney | I like the new debian |
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| 23:44.12 | Tarrasquero | ;) |
| 23:44.36 | usney | I remember when I had to manually set the repo back in the day now it seems to do that automatically at installation |
| 23:44.50 | usney | tried it out in a virtual machine |
| 23:44.58 | Tarrasquero | usney: in livecd the start is with root |
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| 23:46.47 | Tarrasquero | I have not reinstalled for a long time |
| 23:47.43 | usney | how can you do that? |
| 23:47.47 | usney | dist-upgrade? |
| 23:48.13 | Tarrasquero | yes |
| 23:49.26 | Tarrasquero | stable repositories |
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| 23:50.25 | usney | is debian a rolling release? |
| 23:50.34 | Tarrasquero | no |
| 23:50.52 | usney | is it stable to do that? |
| 23:51.02 | bouba | debian sid a rolling release |
| 23:51.13 | mason | Testing is more or less rolling as well. |
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| 23:52.40 | Tarrasquero | sorry, bad ingles |
| 23:54.09 | usney | I mean does debian seem stable not installing fresh with each new stable release? Tarrasquero |
| 23:54.52 | Tarrasquero | yes |
| 23:54.56 | zerothis | new info. I installed saytime in Debian Bo and got an error message when ran "opening /dev/audio: No such device" |
| 23:55.52 | zerothis | open-iw |
| 23:56.03 | zerothis | *oops* |
| 23:56.22 | Tarrasquero | if the repositories are fixed in stable it goes from one version to another |
| 23:56.55 | usney | what does that mean? |
| 23:57.02 | usney | (uname)? |
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| 23:57.52 | usney | my wifi doggie seems to not work anymore |
| 23:58.07 | usney | how do I test it to see if it is a hardware issue and not a software one? |