| 00:00.02 | RoyK | ipv4 and ipv6 together in a single command - easier handling - more control |
| 00:01.05 | RoyK | and ifconfig is just about the interface, not the routing table - iproute2 handles it all |
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| 00:01.36 | RoyK | needs sleep - night, ladies |
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| 00:07.22 | ca1ek | i accidentaly tmux into this thing and i don't know how to go back lol https://i.imgur.com/CL74GZ6.png |
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| 00:13.42 | usney | question guys |
| 00:14.02 | Javabean | !ask |
| 00:14.02 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 00:14.32 | usney | internet says my max ram for my laptop is 2gigs but dmidecode says max is 4gig |
| 00:14.35 | usney | who is right? |
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| 01:17.48 | johnjay | i'm trying to interpret this package update error. it seems to say the versions of libraries have to be < 5.47, but 5.37 is to be installed. i'm confused... |
| 01:17.51 | johnjay | paste.debian.net/1039217 |
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| 01:42.07 | usney | hi guys |
| 01:42.23 | usney | I just installed a new system on my old laptop |
| 01:42.48 | usney | how do I get rid of the ssh eavesdropping error? |
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| 01:43.32 | usney | nevermind I notice it tells me how to do it |
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| 02:18.22 | pav5088 | I'm trying to change a freshly installed machine to have a static IP without rebooting, and I just can't do it. I tried to brute-force the problem by trying every combination of ifup/ifdown/service network start/stop/restart I can think of and it's just not working... I've reinstalled my test VM many times, and I'm not even getting consistent results, even when taking IDENTICAL steps. It's weirding me out. |
| 02:19.17 | pav5088 | Now I'm getting : |
| 02:19.21 | pav5088 | Job for networking.service failed because the control process exited with error code. |
| 02:19.21 | pav5088 | See "systemctl status networking.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details. |
| 02:19.34 | pav5088 | and that gives me |
| 02:20.16 | pav5088 | Aug 25 12:00:23 stretch systemd[1]: networking.service: Unit entered failed stat |
| 02:20.16 | pav5088 | Aug 25 12:00:23 stretch systemd[1]: networking.service: Failed with result 'exit |
| 02:20.44 | pav5088 | ...and there doesn't seem to be any way to get more output on my 80 column term |
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| 02:31.22 | random_auroras | How would I go about getting the u-boot tools to generate an image for a particular board? |
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| 11:17.28 | jelly | Schroeder: no idea, see also: why is rpm cpio |
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| 11:25.27 | RoyK | Schroeder: are you guys, as in devoted Slackware users, on the IUCN redlist yet? You should be there |
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| 12:03.59 | EdePopede | hello all. is there any more documentation on that whole package management stuff? i miss a lot of things in those two small chapters the sysadmin handbook has on them. i don't even get info on how to use what `apt show` gives me for queries, mostly Tags ("show me editors for gtk") and Names ("list me all that deb, apt, dpkg stuff") |
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| 12:18.23 | RoyK | EdePopede: there's a lot of docs out there on how apt/dpkg works. If you download the source for a package (apt source something) and look into the debian subdir, you'll see the buildfile |
| 12:24.05 | jelly | !debtags |
| 12:24.05 | dpkg | debtags is probably a way of categorising packages with tags (facets) that describe how a package can be used, what data it can read/write, what interfaces it has etc. This adds another dimension to package searching. Install the debtags package, then search either using "debtags" or "aptitude". Search (or add new tags) at http://debtags.debian.net/ . See also http://wiki.debian.org/Debtags or ask me about <aptitude search>. |
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| 12:44.54 | EdePopede | jelly: egg and hen. not installed by default, and no idea how to search for ^deb* without aptitude. exactly the two options i declared missing :/ |
| 12:45.39 | jelly | !installit |
| 12:45.39 | dpkg | Your box does not come with every application, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 12:46.12 | jelly | (there's a factoid for almost any question or comment) |
| 12:46.16 | EdePopede | and i'm not sure if i want to continue using aptitudeâ... does it have anything the other tools don't offer? besides the ide, which i didn't use for some years now |
| 12:46.32 | EdePopede | ah, factoid. another word to remember again |
| 12:46.38 | jelly | !why aptitude |
| 12:46.38 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. <lenny->squeeze>, <squeeze->wheezy>). http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
| 12:46.48 | jelly | !why not aptitude |
| 12:46.48 | dpkg | Aptitude is more memory intensive and slower than <apt-get>, the <ncurses> interface is always loaded regardless of being used or not. Moreover the resolver can sometimes produce unexpected results and most of <aptitude>'s former exclusive features are now available in <apt-get> as well. Ask me about <why aptitude> and see http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
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| 12:49.08 | jelly | or just use it for searching. You're allowed to mix and match. |
| 12:50.29 | EdePopede | argh. the links on the pages you linked are tricky. just had 3 404's and one requiring login. |
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| 12:53.10 | EdePopede | i had a problem a long time ago with mixing, i think i used the gui tool first and then aptitude and then something was wrong with the db. so i stayed with aptitude for some time and switched to apt/dpkg later. and as for dependencies, i remember a tool which produces xfig graphs (i'd only have to remember its name... another time) |
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| 12:53.37 | bites | yeah, alioth.debian.org has been shut down. the wiki still links to it in some places. |
| 12:55.34 | EdePopede | it was on https://wiki.debian.org/Debtags Â- [[Web-based tag editor]] and [[Debtags tag cloud]] ... and another one on that other link |
| 12:56.25 | EdePopede | ah, facet. the other word. |
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| 13:05.42 | EdePopede | oh. debtags throws an error when called without parameters. "AttributeError: 'Namespace' object has no attribute 'action'" |
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| 13:29.31 | akem | Hello, where can i find CD ISOs of old version 3.X ? There used to be a set of CDs but i can't find them on the official site ( https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r8/i386/iso-cd/ ) |
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| 13:36.05 | akem | I guess they are not available cause too old. |
| 13:37.00 | RoyK | akem: woody? |
| 13:37.23 | RoyK | sarge, perhaps |
| 13:37.58 | RoyK | akem: https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/ |
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| 13:38.33 | RoyK | erm - you have the CDs on that link you gave me |
| 13:39.55 | RoyK | akem: out of curiosity - why do you need this? |
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| 13:51.47 | akem | RoyK, There is only the list files i can't find the ISOs themselves. |
| 13:52.44 | akem | RoyK, I want to create a .vdi file to run on limbo emulator on a smartphone, and the last version are too slow. |
| 13:53.55 | akem | The one i have/tried is already setup, i can't add packages, that's why i was looking for 3.X ISOs to do an install myself with package i want. |
| 13:56.08 | akem | I think it's because of the kernel version and services, the 3.X is running ok (in console mode ofc) while the 9.5 is unusable. The guys doing the emulator advise old versions. |
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| 14:00.38 | akem | Or is it only via jigdo? i don't know what this is. |
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| 14:01.23 | akem | Ha ok this is it apparently...Thanks RoyK. |
| 14:01.37 | Habbie | i'm confused - i see two ISOs at https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/3.1_r8/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 14:06.25 | akem | Habbie, they are not the full install ISOs, the "network install" and a very small "buisness card" that i don't know but don't want i think. |
| 14:07.07 | akem | I didn't know i had to use a software to download them so i did not look at jigdo...now it should be fine. |
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| 14:07.39 | Habbie | akem, ah, ok |
| 14:07.54 | Habbie | i almost always grab the small ISOs, you can just apt-get the rest |
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| 14:08.58 | akem | I tried the network install i couldn't get the package list, i though the repositories were down since it's very old now. |
| 14:09.09 | Habbie | ah, yes |
| 14:09.11 | Habbie | that makes sense of course |
| 14:10.04 | akem | I have screen flowing with 404 not found when i'm trying to download the first CD of woody. |
| 14:10.11 | peedabee | couldn't you just use archive.debian.org as a repo? |
| 14:11.17 | Arrowmaster | thats probably what you should do, use the old netinstaller and change the mirror during setup to archive.debian.org |
| 14:11.32 | Habbie | jigdo would need to be pointed at that same archive anywa |
| 14:11.33 | Habbie | y |
| 14:12.18 | akem | Ok, i will try that then. |
| 14:13.08 | Arrowmaster | so I've got this r210ii should I use this 1gb sandisk flash drive to put my EFI partition on and raid the ssds in it? |
| 14:14.17 | peedabee | So you want to boot from the flashdrive ? |
| 14:14.44 | Arrowmaster | yeah was going to use zfs on the ssds and thought it might be better to use another drive for the EFI partition |
| 14:16.46 | peedabee | but if someone removes the flashdrive your server won't boot |
| 14:16.57 | Arrowmaster | internal usb headers, its a rack mount server |
| 14:17.16 | peedabee | ah ok :) |
| 14:17.22 | RoyK | Arrowmaster: dell thing? |
| 14:17.27 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 14:17.28 | RoyK | Arrowmaster: mirror those anyway |
| 14:17.34 | RoyK | it's got room for two |
| 14:17.47 | RoyK | usb pens die too |
| 14:17.49 | Arrowmaster | mirror the EFI? |
| 14:18.03 | RoyK | just use mdraid |
| 14:18.08 | RoyK | "software raid" |
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| 14:18.29 | RoyK | plugin two pendrives and mirror them using the installer |
| 14:18.32 | RoyK | not hard |
| 14:19.06 | Arrowmaster | and UEFI will be able to see them when created as a mdraid mirror? |
| 14:19.28 | RoyK | it will see them as separate and try to boot one of them and then fall back to the other if you configure things correctly |
| 14:19.36 | Arrowmaster | ok |
| 14:19.43 | RoyK | just boot priority |
| 14:19.47 | RoyK | not hard either |
| 14:19.55 | Arrowmaster | wonder if i have a 2nd 1gb flash or if i should just go buy two new ones |
| 14:20.09 | RoyK | get some at 4-8 gig |
| 14:20.11 | RoyK | just in case |
| 14:20.31 | peedabee | those things cost peanuts, so I wouldn't risk using used ones |
| 14:21.20 | Arrowmaster | was hopping to finally get some progress done on this thing today, its been sitting next to me for two weeks now |
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| 14:23.10 | peedabee | couldn't you just "reserve" the same amount at the start of each ssd for the EFI partiton |
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| 14:23.27 | peedabee | so the zfs partitions are symmetrical in size ? |
| 14:24.29 | Arrowmaster | I guess I could |
| 14:24.45 | peedabee | It would save you the hassle with the flash drive |
| 14:24.54 | Arrowmaster | but I thought zfs was happier if you gave it the full disk instead of partitions |
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| 14:27.42 | blackflow | Arrowmaster: ZFS would just implicitly partition it with GPT if you gave it raw disk |
| 14:28.26 | Arrowmaster | ok |
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| 14:30.00 | peedabee | I would give both options a try an compare perfomance, then you would know for sure |
| 14:30.37 | peedabee | But I think the difference is negligible |
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| 14:31.24 | Arrowmaster | ok, just got nonfree netinstall flashed so I'll try it once this boots up in a few |
| 14:31.25 | akem | I tried to add: "deb http://archive.debian.org/ sarge main" in the netinst but it doesn't work. |
| 14:31.34 | nvz | anyone know what an NFC transmitter might be used for in a laptop? |
| 14:31.50 | akem | https://imgur.com/a/6fyBKYE |
| 14:32.02 | nvz | I find it mildly amusing I have nfc what an NFC transmitter could be used for :P |
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| 14:32.54 | Arrowmaster | akem: http://archice.debian.org/debian |
| 14:33.03 | nvz | I'm not even sure where it is, and afaik they have a very limited range so I'd need to figure out where in the machine it is exactly |
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| 14:33.29 | peedabee | nvz: You could start a "payment service" on your laptop :) |
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| 14:34.00 | akem | Ok, i think it works, thanks Arrowmaster. |
| 14:34.21 | nvz | peedabee: hmm.. |
| 14:34.42 | nvz | I dont guess its the same as or can be used as a passive rfid scanner |
| 14:35.41 | Arrowmaster | maybe smartcard stuff? |
| 14:35.52 | nvz | just trying to get a feel for the hardware in this system its got some things I never seen before.. like shows up as two batteries even though there only appears to be one.. I'm discharging one and the other says fully charged |
| 14:36.30 | Robby | does anyone happen to know for a fact if, for example, booting the system with kernel parameter maxcpus=4 while the system has less physical cores, say 2 physical cores, will still result in a bootable system? or will it panic that it cant find the remaining 2 cores? |
| 14:36.40 | nvz | says like 2:15 remaining if I hover, but if I click the icon it says 4:48 remaining, which I guess is both batteries combined |
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| 14:37.42 | nvz | idk when I think "smart card" I think the insertable credit card things.. and this doesnt have that option installed |
| 14:38.03 | nvz | but the NFC is supposedly standard feature |
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| 14:39.13 | nvz | I would guess my cell phone has one too and they could communicate with it for auth.. both both devices also have fingerprint auth which I have working |
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| 14:40.20 | peedabee | Robby, it is the max amount of CPU cores that will be used in SMP, so less shouldn't be a problem |
| 14:40.42 | peedabee | More would result in a system with unused cores |
| 14:41.08 | Robby | peedabee: yeah, that was also what I was thinking, it makes sense, but you never know |
| 14:41.14 | nvz | I wonder if that applies to HT |
| 14:41.25 | peedabee | That applies to HT too |
| 14:41.27 | nvz | I only have 2 cores, but shows up as 4 cpus due to HT |
| 14:41.58 | peedabee | As far as I know the system sees the extra thread just as a core |
| 14:42.21 | nvz | yeah seems to |
| 14:42.44 | jhutchins | Y'know, there's plenty of documentation on this subject. Idle speculation is pretty silly. |
| 14:42.52 | nvz | heh |
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| 14:43.12 | nvz | jhutchins: pretty and silly? she sounds like fun.. :P |
| 14:43.13 | Robby | yeah, that is what I'm trying to do, disable HT on a dedi server with no access to the BIOS, but, I also run Xen on it and I see that it also has its own maxcpus boot parameter, so I want to make sure that things don't conflict when the system is booted without, and with Xen by tuning boot parameters in the grub config files correctly |
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| 14:45.59 | akem | Okay, it works, thanks everyone! |
| 14:47.16 | skalag | hi. need some help with grub |
| 14:47.48 | peedabee | skalag, what kind of help? |
| 14:48.02 | skalag | how to change the resolution ? i use mac pro and its masisve so letters are tiny |
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| 14:48.42 | peedabee | skalag, is it grub legacy or grub2 ? |
| 14:49.04 | skalag | in ubuntu is sth called grub-customiser , but not exist in debian |
| 14:49.06 | skalag | grub2 |
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| 14:50.57 | peedabee | skalag, https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub/grub.html#gfxmode |
| 14:51.10 | peedabee | Is that what you are looking for? |
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| 14:52.36 | skalag | possibly, but i am begginer and looks like its gonna be complicated |
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| 14:52.51 | skalag | which files i should edit ? |
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| 14:54.46 | crised | made an ipip tunnel tun0, that works correctly sending information to the other endpoint. (192.168.0.2 (debian endpoint) - 192.168.0.1 (other machine endpoint)). Problem is that when an IPIP packet arrives to the debian endpoint it doesn't get "routed/relayed" to the internal IP 192.168.0.2 |
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| 15:09.18 | crised | nevermind, I think it's a problem with me handling netcat, network flow is correct |
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| 15:56.50 | ca1ek | can someone explain what happened to my tmux? https://i.imgur.com/K0PQtHq.png |
| 15:58.12 | petn-randall | !context |
| 15:58.12 | dpkg | Try to give enough context! For example, let us know which command/program you are running, what you expected, and what you got instead. Try to be as specific as possible. If your command produced output, share the complete command (with all parameters!) and its output on https://paste.debian.net. |
| 15:58.15 | petn-randall | ca1ek: ^^^ |
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| 15:58.37 | ca1ek | well i have no context, i pressed ctrl-b and some key and my terminal now looks like this |
| 15:58.53 | ca1ek | i've spent the past day googling but i cant find what term to use since i don't even know what i am looking at |
| 15:59.39 | petn-randall | ca1ek: Are you trying to attach to an existing session? |
| 16:00.01 | ca1ek | i attached to an existing session and it looks like this |
| 16:00.04 | ca1ek | rather than an terminal |
| 16:00.19 | ca1ek | and i don't want to kill that program in that terminal just to fix this thing |
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| 16:01.15 | petn-randall | ca1ek: It looks like the tmux terminal list to me. |
| 16:01.29 | ca1ek | well how do i choose the zeroth terminal |
| 16:01.34 | ca1ek | oh |
| 16:01.35 | ca1ek | okay |
| 16:01.37 | ca1ek | well |
| 16:01.44 | ca1ek | i tried ctrl-b 0 before |
| 16:01.53 | petn-randall | ca1ek: Does ctrl + b c work? |
| 16:01.55 | ca1ek | how did i trigger it |
| 16:02.17 | petn-randall | ca1ek: https://tmuxcheatsheet.com/ |
| 16:02.27 | petn-randall | `ctrl + b c` creates a new window. |
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| 16:05.22 | petn-randall | ca1ek: Just tested it, it looks like you pressed `ctrl + b s`. Just hit enter to select that window. |
| 16:07.15 | ca1ek | I already fixed it by pressing 0 |
| 16:07.27 | ca1ek | enter didnt work actually, i remember trying it yesterday |
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| 16:35.14 | ralpheeee | am still setting up my fresh install of debian stable ...currently trying to backport https://github.com/ogham/exa & https://qutebrowser.org/ ...unfortunately i am unable to find both packages...just really wanted to make sure i am not missing something |
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| 16:36.54 | ralpheeee | my source list "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian stretch-backports main contrib nonfree" |
| 16:37.20 | pfred1 | lordy use a mirror |
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| 16:38.51 | annadane | ,v exa |
| 16:38.52 | judd | No package named 'exa' was found in amd64. |
| 16:38.56 | annadane | ,v qutebrowser |
| 16:38.57 | judd | Package: qutebrowser on amd64 -- buster: 1.4.1-1; sid: 1.4.1-1 |
| 16:39.10 | annadane | yeah so they're not in stable or stable backports |
| 16:39.34 | annadane | i know qutebrowser requires building it (i've never found a simple binary), exa i don't know about |
| 16:39.54 | ralpheeee | judd annadane : ok thxs... |
| 16:40.29 | annadane | btw i believe nonfree should be spelled non-free |
| 16:40.47 | annadane | not sure if nonfree does actually work or not but i've never seen it used as such |
| 16:40.50 | ralpheeee | yeah sorry was a typo on my behalf |
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| 16:42.47 | annadane | as a rule of thumb most github pages or open source projects will have instructions on how to build or use them |
| 16:42.58 | annadane | involving tools like make and so on |
| 16:43.25 | annadane | or some of them have simple tars you can simply extract to something like your home folder |
| 16:43.44 | annadane | you also can consider looking into nix packages, if they're there... https://nixos.org/nix/ |
| 16:45.01 | ralpheeee | awesome....very helpful annadane o/ |
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| 16:49.28 | pfred1 | compiling code is my favorite game to play on Linux |
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| 16:50.38 | annadane | (also WTF how is qutebrowser in buster) |
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| 17:00.13 | ralpheeee | how can i get backports from sid? |
| 17:00.25 | petn-randall | !ssb |
| 17:00.25 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 17:00.27 | petn-randall | ralpheeee: ^^^ |
| 17:01.24 | ralpheeee | ok |
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| 17:07.14 | annadane | (honestly i'd just use nix packages unless there's a reason not to) |
| 17:07.28 | annadane | there's a lot in there and it is AFAICT fairly trustworthy |
| 17:09.09 | RoyK | has built linux systems from scratch, and it works, but with today's hardware, it really isn't a need for that |
| 17:09.48 | annadane | for me there's like nothing i use from there because stable packages have 99% of the functionality i want |
| 17:09.57 | annadane | all about use cases |
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| 17:44.31 | random_auroras | What key is this? 067E3C456BAE240ACEE88F6FEF0F382A1A7B6500 |
| 17:45.36 | petn-randall | random_auroras: Is your question somehow related to Debian? |
| 17:45.51 | crised | I have a decapsulated ICMP package in ipip interface (192.168.0.1.45965 > 70.239...), how can I forward it to the external interface? |
| 17:45.51 | random_auroras | petn-randall: Yes, I'm trying to verify mirrors and the verification is failing because of it. |
| 17:46.09 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 17:46.09 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 17:46.10 | random_auroras | petn-randall: I want to know if the mirror is compromised or if it's actually a key affiliated with debian. |
| 17:46.17 | petn-randall | random_auroras: Then show us the information above. ^^^ |
| 17:46.38 | random_auroras | debmirror --keyring ~/.gnupg/pubring.kbx -e rsync --passive -a amd64 -p /media/user/tbd/debian-mirrors/ -d stretch -s 'main,contrib,main/debian-installer' --nosource --getcontents --checksums --check-gpg -h mirrors.kernel.org |
| 17:47.07 | bites | gpg --search-keys 067E3C456BAE240ACEE88F6FEF0F382A1A7B6500 |
| 17:47.14 | bites | > Debian Stable Release Key (9/stretch) <debian-release@lists.debian.org |
| 17:47.24 | petn-randall | random_auroras: According to my stretch release, it's the stretch release key. |
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| 17:47.58 | petn-randall | random_auroras: It's not only a key on the keyservers, but THE key that's shipped with Debian stretch installations. |
| 17:48.25 | random_auroras | Then why is my gpg install not recognizing it despite my installing debian-keyring? |
| 17:48.57 | petn-randall | random_auroras: Read the description of debian-keyring. |
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| 17:49.37 | petn-randall | random_auroras: You likely want debian-archive-keyring. |
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| 17:52.25 | dansan | *sigh* for crap sake... :) |
| 17:53.14 | dansan | So I'm in a debian livedvd and I've added stretch-debug to my sources.list and installed gdb and the mdadm-dbgsym. What do I need to do to tell gdb where the sources are for mdadm now? |
| 17:54.47 | random_auroras | petn-randall: So it turns out I had to manually import those in my user keyring from the /etc apt files. |
| 17:55.21 | random_auroras | petn-randall: At any rate, thanks. |
| 17:55.32 | petn-randall | random_auroras: yw |
| 17:55.35 | dansan | ah hah! nevermind, I got it! :) |
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| 17:56.51 | AciD` | hmm. no more notification area, not ability to right click on panels in kde, using testing.. :/ |
| 17:56.55 | AciD` | *nor |
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| 17:58.04 | annadane | !debian-next |
| 17:58.04 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 17:58.05 | annadane | AciD`, ^ |
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| 17:59.43 | annadane | though as a guess, it may be related to a transition and such functionality is still being migrated from sid |
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| 18:01.39 | annadane | https://release.debian.org/transitions/ doesn't really show any qt stuff though |
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| 18:02.25 | annadane | still, i guess some stuff may have been held back due to release critical bugs... but who knows, ask in the above channel dpkg listed |
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| 18:09.47 | ralpheeee | is there a systemd-boot installation guide somewhere...(have not been able to locate one) |
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| 18:19.44 | crised | I seem to have a routing problem: Why this packet leaving an interface doesn't actually leave the machine 192.168.0.1.40235 > 35.236.x? The destination address is indeed a valid address |
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| 18:31.31 | SopaXorzTaker | https://ptpb.pw/P9yY.jpg |
| 18:31.40 | SopaXorzTaker | Weird, the login screen showed my password in plaintext |
| 18:32.03 | pfred1 | that would be great |
| 18:32.19 | pfred1 | I always wonder if I'm typoing my password |
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| 18:53.00 | RoyK | pfred1: :þ |
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| 19:10.58 | SopaXorzTaker | Ergh, this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1772791 |
| 19:11.30 | annadane | oh, awesome. |
| 19:11.37 | SopaXorzTaker | but I'm on XFCE |
| 19:11.46 | SopaXorzTaker | but yeah, probably something related to that |
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| 19:49.31 | jhutchins | How do I tell what filesystem is on a device? |
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| 19:51.43 | fChanX | Could gparted or parted be used to see? (I would be careful not to change anything whislt checking.) |
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| 19:52.11 | bites | lsblk -f for example. |
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| 19:53.08 | fChanX | That is better. :| |
| 19:53.17 | fChanX | grows in knowledge also |
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| 20:04.41 | usney | how do I setup my computer for a openvpn server? |
| 20:04.53 | usney | I know ubuntu has a guide for it but does debian have one? |
| 20:05.39 | zege | usney: https://wiki.debian.org/OpenVPN |
| 20:06.24 | usney | thanks |
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| 20:07.28 | photonsphere | Under KDE the connection manager supports it. |
| 20:07.40 | zege | usney: you can also use the ubuntu one if something in the debian wiki is unclear to you. It most likley also work on debian. |
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| 20:13.53 | Gerowen | useney: As zege said, since Ubuntu is largely based on Debian (I believe they even pull their packages straight out of the Debian unstable/testing repos), most guides for things like that should work on Debian as well. |
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| 20:16.12 | Gerowen | Opinion, since my home server has a 6 core CPU and 16GB of RAM, would it be better to host some of my services using virtual machines? |
| 20:16.40 | Gerowen | Just a random thought. |
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| 20:17.13 | nkuttler | Gerowen: what kind of services, could you use containers that are more light-weight? |
| 20:19.40 | Gerowen | Right now it's just Rust (game), Minecraft, Samba, Apache and Plex. I'm not hosting anything terribly demanding, barely a quarter of my RAM is used at any given moment, but I got to thinking, wouldn't it be nice to sandbox say "Rust" so if somebody was hacking the game, they wouldn't have access to the host system that also holds several terabytes of personal backups. |
| 20:20.20 | Gerowen | nkuttler: What other types of containers would you recommend? Other than your regular old VMs like VMWare and VirtualBox, I'm kind of a noob to containerizing things. |
| 20:20.36 | Gerowen | Just a thought experiment, I'm not committing to anything yet, just trying to educate myself. |
| 20:20.37 | blackflow | VMs and containers add huge maintenance overhead. if you want isolation, perhaps you can do it with systemd's namespacing features? it's a line or few in the service unit files. |
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| 20:22.01 | watchd0g | ls -al |
| 20:22.24 | blackflow | Gerowen: btw VMs are not very strong security boundaries. plenty of host-affecting vulns are found yearly. |
| 20:22.47 | zege | Gerowen: as blackflow said vms add a lot of maintenance oevrhead. But if your hardware fails its quite easy to move the vm to a new hardware. This is the main reason for me to use vms |
| 20:24.33 | blackflow | as easy as moving the whole hdd over to a new chassis? :) personally I found no such advntage with VMs. you still need additional hardware, working disks, cpus, memory... |
| 20:25.07 | blackflow | now, _live_ migration is a completely different story... |
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| 20:26.55 | zege | blackflow: first yes easier then moveing a hdd because you have all the standard hardware. And yes in my company I do use live migration. |
| 20:27.31 | zege | blackflow: standard hardware is more important for windows vms than for linux ones... |
| 20:28.57 | blackflow | zege: well that's what I mean. migrate hdd, and it just works (plus dealing with gpu driver changes if any). migrating a VM assumes the old machine is a sufficiently working state that you can pull of the migration, over network. |
| 20:29.14 | blackflow | in both cases you need new hardware. |
| 20:29.27 | bites | or from backup... |
| 20:31.05 | bites | or in an enterprise setting the hosts wouldn't have any storage at all other than a boot drive. |
| 20:32.41 | zege | blackflow: the vm advantge i see ist that you just take the vm backup and start the vm on any vm-host with the same architecture. So ist very easy. When no other hardware is availabe you can use your pc to do so. The next advantage is that windows machines need to reactive if a major hardware change is detected so a vm image is also a plus here. |
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| 20:36.55 | peedabee | Why does debian stable include python 3.5.3 in stead of 3.6+ ? It took me a while before I figured out why my f-strings were not parsing and resulting in a syntax error :-) |
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| 20:37.57 | petn-randall | peedabee: Because that was the most current version when stretch went into the freezing process. |
| 20:39.09 | peedabee | petn-randall, that explains a lot. I came from ubuntu... was tired from the bloatware. So I think i will go to testing then in stead of stable |
| 20:39.12 | peedabee | Thnx! |
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| 20:40.53 | Nokaji | peedabee: maybe you could dual boot the two - just a thought |
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| 20:41.49 | zege | peedabee: you can try this inoffical backport: https://github.com/chriskuehl/python3.6-debian-stretch |
| 20:42.01 | peedabee | Nokaji, as I'm working on a netbook LXC could also be an option ? |
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| 20:42.39 | n4dir | no experience with it at all, but there is that program called virtualenv (or such), which makes you install different versions of python. |
| 20:42.45 | Nokaji | peedabee: I'm a newb, someone else would need to fill in the gaps on that one |
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| 20:42.56 | n4dir | point is that using debian testing shouldn't been done lighthearted. |
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| 20:43.46 | peedabee | n4dir, point taken |
| 20:44.08 | peedabee | zege, will look into that thanks! |
| 20:44.20 | n4dir | :-) i am not of the ones who say: oh my god, no, not ever. I consider testing and unstable to be ok for my needs. But one should know what one (might ) run into |
| 20:45.01 | annadane | it's a consideration of what a computer is used for. do you need it to work consistently? use stable. you don't need new applications for most things. if you do, there's usually ways to get them |
| 20:45.18 | annadane | also it nicely allows you to be lazy with updates |
| 20:45.35 | n4dir | yup, annadane, thats what i meant. thanks for making it more clear |
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| 20:46.01 | peedabee | n4dir, I have administrated systems with Arch in production, I think testing is more stable lol |
| 20:46.10 | n4dir | lol. probably. |
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| 20:47.05 | n4dir | the good news is that you can run a mixed testing/unstable system. In case a program is broken in testing, a "repaired" version might already be in unstable. |
| 20:47.10 | peedabee | annadane, in this case it's not a production server, but you're absolutely right |
| 20:47.32 | n4dir | the debian wiki knows more about the advantages and disadvantages of each version |
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| 20:48.00 | peedabee | n4ir, that's why I think I will stick to containers. The packages are up-to-date, the kernel is just shared |
| 20:48.20 | peedabee | It's a shame lxd hasn't been ported to debian though |
| 20:48.36 | annadane | virtualenv is fine for python. for other things there's nix packages and compilg your own |
| 20:48.40 | annadane | compiling |
| 20:48.42 | petn-randall | !sid chroot |
| 20:48.53 | annadane | dselect, sid chroot |
| 20:48.54 | dselect | annadane: i haven't a clue |
| 20:48.55 | n4dir | annadane: and debian-backports :-) |
| 20:49.49 | annadane | nix is basically the only thing i'll tolerate, one thing i don't like about slackware is the amount of external repositories |
| 20:49.57 | n4dir | what is nix? |
| 20:49.59 | annadane | which may or may not be trustworthy |
| 20:49.59 | petn-randall | peedabee: A much safer way would be to just have a testing or sid chroot, then you get the benefit of a stable system and a newer python. |
| 20:50.12 | annadane | n4dir, https://nixos.org/nix/ |
| 20:50.18 | n4dir | thanks. let me look |
| 20:50.58 | annadane | or run testing/sid inside a virtual machine like virt-manager or virtualbox |
| 20:51.15 | annadane | just never pip install anything as root |
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| 20:51.45 | peedabee | annadane, virtualenv++ |
| 20:52.13 | annadane | but yeah |
| 20:52.26 | annadane | it turns out debian stable actually has a lot of solutions, it's not just "old packages" |
| 20:52.40 | n4dir | annadane: when it comes to slackware, lack of dependency handling is quite a bummer too. Also to install everything and the kitchen sink per default. |
| 20:52.52 | annadane | it is in the main repositories but there's ways to get stuff safely |
| 20:53.27 | annadane | currently has only stable packages and one from backports and that's fine for my case |
| 20:54.20 | peedabee | n4dir, hasn't slackware been having maintenance and up-keep issues since the death of its creator, or am I really lagging in knowledge? |
| 20:54.44 | annadane | its creator didn't die? |
| 20:54.56 | annadane | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Volkerding |
| 20:55.30 | n4dir | last time i checked everything was fine with Slackware (but then the PC decided to end it's life ... ) |
| 20:55.50 | annadane | the only thing negative i've heard is that the store was taking a massive cut of the money and screwing him |
| 20:55.56 | peedabee | annadane, Sry must mixed it up with another distro... must be the bottle of wine talking I just finished |
| 20:56.05 | n4dir | :-) |
| 20:56.11 | annadane | *debian*'s founder actually did die a little bit ago |
| 20:56.18 | annadane | but the project lives on in his memory |
| 20:56.36 | blackflow | or.... maybe the other way around... |
| 20:56.50 | petn-randall | Though he wasn't active in Debian for a decade or so before his death. |
| 20:57.03 | n4dir | still being a community and not a one-man-show is a good thing about debian. imho. |
| 20:57.09 | peedabee | blackflow, Deep -) |
| 20:57.12 | peedabee | :- |
| 20:57.21 | annadane | yeah. no corporations, no BDFL |
| 20:57.43 | n4dir | "who the bloody hell cares about debian?" is still a good read, imho. |
| 20:57.45 | annadane | ensures the long term health of the thing |
| 20:58.28 | peedabee | That's what really p*sses me off about ubuntu. The commercial interests seem to be growing ever stronger |
| 20:58.40 | fChanX | What is that book generally about, n4dir? :o |
| 20:59.18 | n4dir | fChanX: it ain't a book. It was a short essay of one of ... mhhh ... the project leaders. I forgot his name. Quickly gives an overview of what makes Debian Debian. |
| 20:59.27 | annadane | (well, ok, there are *some* corporations but it's not run in the traditional corporate sense) |
| 20:59.35 | n4dir | on youtube it is to be found as a speech, i think |
| 20:59.50 | peedabee | Let's have a looksie |
| 21:00.08 | fChanX | Nice. :) |
| 21:00.10 | fChanX | Thanks. |
| 21:01.46 | n4dir | also nice: what rickh quoted (he himself was a bit grim): http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=21372&p=113848 |
| 21:02.17 | annadane | anyway, i absolutely love debian. one of man's best inventions |
| 21:03.11 | n4dir | looked around for 2 or 3 years now. I for one sure haven't find anything better (for my needs). |
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| 21:07.49 | peedabee | annadane, with my experience up to now, I second your opinion! |
| 21:09.18 | peedabee | Solved the problem : root@testing:/etc# python3 |
| 21:09.18 | peedabee | Python 3.6.6 (default, Jun 27 2018, 14:44:17) |
| 21:09.53 | annadane | we've lost them. =( |
| 21:10.36 | zege | peedabee: what did you do? install testing? |
| 21:10.58 | peedabee | zege, installed a linux container with testing |
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| 21:11.26 | annadane | oh. =) |
| 21:11.41 | annadane | puts down pitchfork |
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| 21:12.13 | peedabee | testing RUNNING 0 - 192.168.111.5 - |
| 21:12.17 | peedabee | :) |
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| 21:14.18 | annadane | "container"... from where? |
| 21:15.07 | peedabee | annadane, lxc has container templates you can download |
| 21:15.16 | peedabee | they are pretty up-to-date |
| 21:15.22 | annadane | oh? TIL |
| 21:16.27 | annadane | i know it's on the DontBreakDebian wiki page but i never really fully read it |
| 21:17.26 | peedabee | annadane, if you have a low-end laptop (like me) and you want to "virtualize" you can run linux containers which use namespacing and cgroups to create a "enhanced chroot" that acts like a virtual machine |
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| 21:17.36 | peedabee | With it's own network stack and all |
| 21:18.03 | peedabee | Because you share the kernel, you don't have the overhead of a hypervisor |
| 21:18.26 | peedabee | and you can share resources like disk and memory without making hard reservations |
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| 21:41.24 | tha_14 | I am trying to setup a RAID 1 with an Silicon Image, Inc. SiI 3114 PCI card. I have setup the RAID and it is shown as a Logical disk on the raid card but on debian both of the drives show up as /dev/sda and /dev/sdb. If anyone can give some generic help with this I'd be grateful. |
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| 21:46.59 | peedabee | tha_14, is it some kind of software raid? |
| 21:48.03 | tha_14 | @peedabee: It is a hardware raid but I found the asme mention just now while googling around https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1808054 |
| 21:48.53 | tha_14 | @peedabee: I think it is using ome sort of fakeRAID |
| 21:49.18 | peedabee | https://www.semiconductorstore.com/cart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=42858 |
| 21:49.36 | peedabee | Software RAID 0 (striping), RAID 1 (mirroring), and RAID 1+0 (mirrored stripe) functions are supported through Silicon Imageâs SATARaid⢠RAID management software utility. |
| 21:50.12 | tha_14 | I see, thank you for your help, will go with mdadm :) |
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| 21:50.40 | peedabee | tha_14, would be my choice too! good luck :) |
| 21:50.44 | petn-randall | !fakeraid |
| 21:50.44 | dpkg | Fakeraid is a term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS. For use with Debian systems, it is suggested that you do not set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID instead; ask me about <md>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid |
| 21:50.47 | petn-randall | tha_14: ^^^ |
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| 21:51.26 | tha_14 | thanks guys |
| 21:51.30 | petn-randall | tha_14: If you have a fakeraid, it's better to use mdraid from the kernel, as this is battle-tested and far more mature than some fakeraid. |
| 21:51.32 | tha_14 | finishing this and going to sleep |
| 21:51.46 | tha_14 | @petn-randall will look into it |
| 21:52.28 | peedabee | tha_14, sleep tight :-), if you are looking into raid 1+0 this works great in dmraid too nowadays! |
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| 21:55.40 | peedabee | Well, I bid everyone a good night/day. Till next time |
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| 21:59.09 | dreamer | hi all. been having some networking issues on stretch today. I was on wired and later wifi. but at some point couldn't connect on either any more. usb-modem still works with pppd, but all wired and wireless doesn't seem to be able to connect any more |
| 21:59.27 | dreamer | I'm using wicd for connecting to these. but straight dhclient couldn't get a lease either |
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| 22:06.28 | dreamer | hmm, it seems that in /etc/network/interfaces the wrong device id was set. I did not touch that file today |
| 22:06.31 | ectospasm | dreamer: what does `ip link` show? Or `ip a`? |
| 22:07.34 | dreamer | ectospasm: I changed the name in /etc/network/interfaces and ifdown/ifup got me an ip |
| 22:08.21 | ectospasm | That'd do it. |
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| 22:10.18 | dreamer | somehow wicd still can't connect the wired interface though. manual ifup does |
| 22:10.23 | dreamer | and wifi doesn't work either |
| 22:10.50 | dreamer | auth works, but then when getting an ip it just stops |
| 22:13.01 | ectospasm | I don't use wicd, so I can't help. |
| 22:13.25 | ectospasm | I also don't use any network manager workalike in Debian. |
| 22:14.14 | dreamer | ok. thnx for trying to help :) |
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| 22:14.41 | dreamer | weird thing is that wicd shows eth0 is up and the ip. just that it somehow can't set it |
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| 22:35.03 | lupulo | hi |
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| 23:05.29 | neubraunschweig2 | Hey everyone! I'm having some trouble with my Debian install. I have tried to skip the following step in the past (the installer provides the option to do so) but in the end, it doesn't work, so I assume it is necessary |
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| 23:06.12 | brontosaurusrex | neubraunschweig2: what step? |
| 23:06.14 | neubraunschweig2 | It concerns non-free firmware files. pparently I can load it onto removable media? iwlwifi-5000-5.ucode, iwlwifi-5000-4.ucode, and so on to *1.ucode |
| 23:06.24 | neubraunschweig2 | but I don't know where to get these files |
| 23:07.05 | petn-randall | neubraunschweig2: You can install fine without them, assuming your network connection doesn't need them. |
| 23:07.13 | brontosaurusrex | There is a non-free iso also https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 23:07.22 | neubraunschweig2 | Interesting |
| 23:08.52 | petn-randall | neubraunschweig2: Also, where does the installation fail? |
| 23:08.59 | neubraunschweig2 | The next error is "network autoconfiguration failed", it says my network is probs not using the DHCP protocol, alternatively the DHCP server may be slow |
| 23:09.10 | neubraunschweig2 | I forget, I haven't done this in a little over a week |
| 23:09.15 | neubraunschweig2 | I will try to reproduce the error |
| 23:10.16 | petn-randall | neubraunschweig2: If you're using wifi, that's likely the issue. Practically all wifi adapters require non-free firmware to work nowadays. |
| 23:10.41 | neubraunschweig2 | would it better to try with ethernet then? |
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| 23:12.06 | petn-randall | neubraunschweig2: Either you use the firmware images, or you use Ethernet, yes. You can always install firmware at a later date. |
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| 23:14.32 | neubraunschweig2 | okay thanks |
| 23:15.15 | petn-randall | yw |
| 23:16.59 | altker128 | Hey guys. Is there a "clean" way to install an older package in a new Debian? I'm using Debian Buster because I need a package there but I need to use PostGres 9.6 which is available in Stretch. Alternatively, is there a way to use a package from Buster in Stretch? |
| 23:17.45 | petn-randall | altker128: Mixing Debian releases is not supported. |
| 23:17.47 | petn-randall | !frankendebian |
| 23:17.47 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
| 23:17.53 | rant | anyone know which of our DM might work better with fingerprint auth? With lightdm I have to type username, scan finger, then click login.. I'd like to just scan finger and it logs in without typing or clicking. |
| 23:18.08 | petn-randall | altker128: If you need newer packages than stable, there's always stable-backports, or backporting it yourself. |
| 23:18.16 | altker128 | petn-randall: That's what I was afraid of. What about using the src methodology ? |
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| 23:18.33 | petn-randall | altker128: That would be backporting yourself. |
| 23:18.53 | rant | altker128: I have forward ported things before |
| 23:19.12 | rant | depends on what it is and what you actually need.. sometimes I just build from upstream |
| 23:19.41 | altker128 | I'd like to use php-horde-webmail from Buster |
| 23:19.54 | rant | altker128: it'd be best though usually if you just use Stretch and backport things |
| 23:19.56 | altker128 | I did find it here : https://packages.debian.org/source/testing/php-horde-groupware |
| 23:20.01 | altker128 | But I'm not sure how to proceed |
| 23:20.09 | rant | !ssb |
| 23:20.09 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 23:20.21 | rant | that process works for most things and is rather simple and straightforward |
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| 23:23.56 | ryouma | are there any packages in debian that let you run a program with its idea of the date being a specified date? |
| 23:24.33 | petn-randall | ryouma: Not sure what you mean. Can you give an example? |
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| 23:25.58 | ryouma | petn-randall: i want to run a program. for regression testing, i don't want the fact that it is a later time now than before to change anything. so i want to specify a time when i run the program, so that it thinks that the time is that time. |
| 23:26.23 | ryouma | or for purposes of trying the output at different times |
| 23:26.36 | rant | ryouma: yes I recall doing this before |
| 23:26.36 | ryouma | (/in the past etc.) |
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| 23:27.55 | ryouma | faketime says it can do it |
| 23:28.04 | rant | ,i datefudge |
| 23:28.06 | judd | Package datefudge (devel, optional) in stretch/amd64: Fake the system date. Version: 1.22; Size: 8.4k; Installed: 27k |
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| 23:28.31 | rant | and yes faketime is another |
| 23:29.02 | rant | there are definately plenty of options out there for faking date.. I personally used it to get around expired trial apps before :P |
| 23:29.15 | ryouma | i wonder which is better |
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| 23:29.41 | altker128 | I'm a bit confused on the deb-src part . Do I just change deb in this line to deb-src ? deb [arch=amd64] http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stable main |
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| 23:30.38 | petn-randall | altker128: No, it says *add*, not *change*. |
| 23:31.03 | petn-randall | altker128: If you don't know what to add, ask the bot about "deb-src sid", as the factoid says. |
| 23:31.17 | petn-randall | altker128: /msg dpkg deb-src sid |
| 23:31.20 | altker128 | Sorry, I didn't mean change |
| 23:33.14 | altker128 | petn-randall: In my case I am on Stretch (9) and want to build something from Buster (10). I assume I add deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian buster main ? |
| 23:33.58 | petn-randall | altker128: yes |
| 23:33.59 | rant | ryouma: depends on what you consider better, datefudge is pure c with no deps, smaller, but less featureful it just fakes the date calls, where faketime depends on libfaketime which can do absolute or relative date shifts, can fake filesystem timestamps, work on child processes, etc |
| 23:34.40 | ryouma | interesting. the man page for faketime, otoh, does not mention a static vs. non-static distinction |
| 23:34.55 | rant | ryouma: if you merely need to test something like see how a browser reacts to an expired cert, datefudge will be fine, but getting around an expired software lisc you may want something more robust and featured like faketime |
| 23:34.58 | ryouma | i think i want static, so maybe datefudge is better |
| 23:35.42 | rant | because things that are actually validating the date as opposed to just reading it will probably notice that the filesystem timestamps are not right |
| 23:37.16 | altker128 | hrm. It's in the testing branch of Buster but doing deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian buster testing didn't work |
| 23:37.43 | rant | datetime is the shared preload lib and command all in one, so yeah if that is important to you, then it may be better, but faketime and libfaketime are far more complete and featured |
| 23:37.51 | rant | erm datefudge rather :P |
| 23:38.08 | ryouma | rant: not sure what you mean. faketime will change the program's idea of timestamps by an offset or something? programs check if a file time is in the future? |
| 23:39.16 | rant | ryouma: if a program like a web browser goes to make an SSL/TLS connection under datefudge, it'll get the cert, see its issued Sat Aug 25, 2018, expires Mon Aug 27, 2018 for example and it |
| 23:39.42 | rant | it'd make a systemcal to check the wall clock and it may see from datefudge that its Tue Aug 28 and the cert would be seen as invalid |
| 23:40.07 | rant | but if it were a program checking the timestamp on the filesystem with a fs stat call, it'd still see the real date of the file |
| 23:40.26 | rant | libfaketime can fake more than just the clock calls, it can fake other things too |
| 23:41.01 | rant | if you tell it shift date back 10 days, or forward 30 days, it'll change what the program sees on everything even filesystem timestamps |
| 23:41.54 | rant | datefudge is more like just changing the RTC, where faketime can change the whole user environment, including the filesystem |
| 23:42.16 | altker128 | OK. Sorry for being really dense here. The desired package I want seems to be in Buster testing . What deb-src line would I add to my source.list so I can backport this to Stretch (9)? |
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| 23:42.38 | alad | no need, just use dget -X on the .dsc link |
| 23:42.53 | altker128 | alad: Is that to me? |
| 23:42.56 | alad | yep |
| 23:43.05 | rant | altker128: just use a buster deb-src line and ignore alad |
| 23:43.08 | ryouma | rant: so the fs time feature is for relative then it seems |
| 23:43.12 | alad | rant: lol |
| 23:43.35 | rant | alad: he's trying to use a simple backport proceedure that apt builds a package for him against stretch deps |
| 23:43.50 | rant | you can't just go doing things manually or you will have to do the whole process manually |
| 23:44.29 | rant | ryouma: I'm not certain but I just know libfaketime is a more complete library that is capable of doing a whole lot more than just lying about the clock |
| 23:44.42 | ryouma | rant: thanks |
| 23:45.09 | ryouma | personally as a newcomer to it i have found backporting to be sometimes quite complex, and sometimes broken |
| 23:45.11 | altker128 | rant: The desired package is in Buster testing , does that change your comment on what goes into a deb-src line? When I added Buster main that didn't seem to work |
| 23:45.22 | alad | rant: if he wants to backport 1 package, I don't see what's wrong against dget and something like cowbuilder/pbuilder that's ran on the .dsc |
| 23:46.19 | rant | alad: the process I suggested is automated using apt.. it automatically gets all the build deps, souces, and builds the package without needing to lay a finger on a build tool or manually resolving deps |
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| 23:46.45 | rant | altker128: afaik there is no such thing as Buster testing.. Buster IS testing.. they mean the same thing |
| 23:46.46 | alad | uh, you've used cowbuilder before, right? |
| 23:46.52 | altker128 | I have not |
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| 23:47.35 | alad | altker128: I meant rant; it's all automated |
| 23:47.43 | alad | but *shrug* |
| 23:48.03 | rant | altker128: a deb/deb-src line has first the type (deb or deb-src) the URL, the section (stretch, buster, sid or stable, testing, unstable which mean the same things) then the section which is main, contrib and non-free only |
| 23:48.54 | rant | alad: if you wanna walk this user through a completely different process when we have !ssb, be my guest, but the ssb proceedure has been around a long time and is really simple and well supported |
| 23:49.44 | alad | yeah, I'm not going to argue when people appeal to convention |
| 23:49.47 | altker128 | rant: OK, I reverted it back to the following : deb-src [arch=amd64] http://deb.debian.org/debian buster main |
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| 23:52.22 | rant | ,v php-horde-groupware |
| 23:52.23 | judd | Package: php-horde-groupware on amd64 -- jessie: 5.2.2-1; stretch: 5.2.17-1; buster: 5.2.22-3; sid: 5.2.22-3 |
| 23:52.48 | rant | it seems this package is in stretch already, the 5.2.17 version doesn't meet your needs? |
| 23:53.02 | altker128 | rant: No, I need 5.2.22 ; there were some important bug fixes |
| 23:53.16 | rant | that were probably put into 5.2.17 |
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| 23:53.34 | altker128 | rant: They were not back ported to 5.2.17 that I'm aware of |
| 23:53.37 | rant | debian doesnt change version numbers but still keeps security and bug fixes |
| 23:53.45 | rant | regardless if upstream did |
| 23:53.54 | rant | you may want to check the latest changelog |
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| 23:55.39 | rant | ,depends php-horde-groupware |
| 23:55.40 | judd | Package php-horde-groupware in stretch/amd64 -- depends: php-cli, php-common, php-horde-content (>= 2.0.5), php-horde-content (<< 3.0.0~alpha1), php-horde-gollem (>= 3.0.10), php-horde-gollem (<< 4.0.0~alpha1), php-horde (>= 5.2.13), php-horde (<< 6.0.0~alpha1), php-horde-kronolith (>= 4.2.19), php-horde-kronolith (<< 5.0.0~alpha1), php-horde-mnemo (>= 4.2.12), php-horde-mnemo (<< 5.0.0~alpha1), php- |
| 23:55.41 | judd | horde-nag (>= 4.2.13), php-horde-nag (<< 5.0.0~alpha1), php-horde-timeobjects (>= 2.1.3), php-horde-timeobjects (<< 3.0.0~alpha1), php-horde-trean (>= 1.1.7), php-horde-trean (<< 2.0.0~alpha1), php-horde-turba (>= 4.2.18), php-horde-turba (<< 5.0.0~alpha1). |
| 23:56.29 | rant | ,depends php-horde-groupware buster |
| 23:56.30 | judd | Package php-horde-groupware in buster/amd64 -- depends: php-cli, php-common, php-horde-content (>= 2.0.6), php-horde-content (<< 3.0.0~alpha1), php-horde-gollem (>= 3.0.12), php-horde-gollem (<< 4.0.0~alpha1), php-horde (>= 5.2.17), php-horde (<< 8.0.0~alpha1), php-horde-kronolith (>= 4.2.23), php-horde-kronolith (<< 5.0.0~alpha1), php-horde-mnemo (>= 4.2.14), php-horde-mnemo (<< 5.0.0~alpha1), php- |
| 23:56.31 | judd | horde-nag (>= 4.2.17), php-horde-nag (<< 5.0.0~alpha1), php-horde-timeobjects (>= 2.1.4), php-horde-timeobjects (<< 3.0.0~alpha1), php-horde-trean (>= 1.1.9), php-horde-trean (<< 2.0.0~alpha1), php-horde-turba (>= 4.2.21), php-horde-turba (<< 5.0.0~alpha1). |
| 23:57.08 | rant | well seems that will work as far as the dependency on php-horde anyhow which it says >= 5.2.17 which is the stretch version I guess |
| 23:57.59 | rant | but even if the build deps are satisfied in stretch are you sure the fixes you're looking for are in that php-horde-groupware and not one of the other php-horde* deps? |
| 23:58.46 | altker128 | rant: I assume, perhaps badly, that since php-horde-groupware is the "metapackage" it would pull in those versions from Buster as well. Is that a flawed assumption? |
