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| 00:01.07 | jasabella | hello, what's the package i want for minimal packages to run a gui java program? |
| 00:01.11 | jasabella | (stretch) |
| 00:01.23 | jasabella | openjdk-8-jre-headless looks like it but i'm not sure |
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| 00:02.01 | jasabella | what's the difference between the openjdk-8-jre and openjdk-8-jre-headless packages? |
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| 00:05.54 | jasabella | nm |
| 00:06.16 | altker128 | rant: What is your suggestion to proceed if I wanted php-horde-groupware_5.2.22-3 and all of it's updated dependencies from Buster? |
| 00:06.54 | altker128 | rant: Alternatively, the Buster container I have works except I need PostGres 9.6 from Stretch |
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| 00:12.17 | dreamer | finally found out what was wrong with my networking: the dhcp leases files where corrupted somehow. and thus dhclient couldn't write anything to it |
| 00:12.27 | dreamer | "Corrupt lease file - possible data loss!" |
| 00:12.39 | dreamer | in the wicd logs. so. crisis averted :) |
| 00:12.47 | jimm | jasabella, I think the headless one doesn't include the gui stuff, but that's a -guess-... try installing the other one |
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| 01:53.32 | pav5088 | ifup/ifdown give me unpredictable results, and usually don't work. I reported this on the Debian user mailing list, and it's not one architecture either... someone else had a similar problem. Any ideas what's going on? |
| 01:54.12 | pav5088 | I'm trying to change an interface from DHCP to static. |
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| 01:55.12 | pav5088 | This is in a script I've used with no problems on previous versions, so I know I'm consistently using the tools. Also, I went to the Debian documentation, and no changes have been documented. |
| 01:57.05 | petn-randall | pav5088: For me ifupdown runs predictable as ever. You might want to add some context. Like you config, what you expect, and what you get instead. |
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| 01:57.59 | altker128 | pav5088: Did you edit your /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 02:01.25 | pav5088 | The config is a newly installed machine with a LXDE environment and otherwise default. I'm changing from a DHCP address to a static, and need to do so without rebooting. I tried ifdown both before and after editiing /etc/network/interfaces just in case that made a difference, and also tried various combinations killing dhclient and "service networking stop/start/restart". I always started from a fresh virtual machine in my test environment just to |
| 02:01.25 | pav5088 | make sure there wasn't any persistent configuration issues etc... |
| 02:02.06 | pav5088 | petn-randall, altker128 |
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| 02:08.46 | themill | I still don't have any idea what you actually did or what didn't work |
| 02:09.57 | petn-randall | pav5088: Show us your config. â https://paste.debian.net. |
| 02:10.16 | petn-randall | pav5088: and also the output of 'ip addr'. |
| 02:10.50 | petn-randall | pav5088: And you still need to explain what you expect, and what you got instead. |
| 02:12.04 | pav5088 | themill, I used ifdown... then I typed ipconfig... and the interface was still there, and could be pinged(!?). That's the basic problem. My main purpose was to edit /etc/network/interfaces so that my nic would have a static config (instead of DHCP), so I tried doing that. No combination of commands I could use would make that happen, and even a reboot sometimes failed(!!!) |
| 02:12.40 | petn-randall | pav5088: We can't help you if don't show us actual data. |
| 02:12.41 | pav5088 | At least one other person seemed to have this problem on the mailing list, and on a different architecture to me (ie. non-AMD64) |
| 02:13.56 | petn-randall | pav5088: And you can likely still pings things when you do random things. This isn't helping. |
| 02:15.50 | pav5088 | https://paste.debian.net/1039353/ |
| 02:16.12 | petn-randall | !restart networking |
| 02:16.12 | dpkg | From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, the use of the networking init script to reload networking configuration («/etc/init.d/networking restart») is discouraged. Instead, perform the actions you really want. Re-apply changes from /etc/network/interfaces: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0. Remove all iptables rules: iptables -F. See also <mdblows>. |
| 02:16.36 | petn-randall | pav5088: And can you show us the output of 'ip addr', too? |
| 02:17.18 | petn-randall | pav5088: And also the output of `ifdown enp0s3` and `ifup enp0s3`. |
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| 02:18.50 | pav5088 | I should also mention that if I edit nothing, and simply to ifdown <interface>, then ifconfig will still see the interface and I can ping. (BTW, just pastebinning the other stuff) |
| 02:21.00 | altker128 | pav5088: If your configuration is still set to DHCP the DHCP daemon might try to run when you do an ifup |
| 02:21.44 | pav5088 | altker128, I've also killed dhclient in the process of trying to sort this out. |
| 02:21.45 | petn-randall | altker128: That's not the case here, though. |
| 02:22.11 | petn-randall | But the paste will clear that up. |
| 02:22.16 | petn-randall | the 2nd one |
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| 02:22.20 | pav5088 | https://paste.debian.net/1039354/ |
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| 02:23.20 | petn-randall | pav5088: 04:16 <petn-randa > pav5088: And also the output of `ifdown enp0s3` and `ifup enp0s3`. |
| 02:23.42 | petn-randall | pav5088: Is this docker? |
| 02:23.44 | pav5088 | sorry... thought I just wrecked my virtual environment... but apparently not. |
| 02:23.54 | pav5088 | (was looking at wrong VM) |
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| 02:28.39 | pav5088 | This is weird. Getting inconsistent results. Yesterday, from a clean VM ifdown wasn't dropping the interface, or releasing the IP. Today it just released the IP but left the interface up. (Just waited for some time to be sure it wasn't half doing something). I re-upped the interface, then downed it again, and the interface went down fully. That's three separate results from an ifdown/ipconfig/ifup |
| 02:29.19 | petn-randall | Maybe because `ipconfig` is a windows tool. |
| 02:29.52 | pav5088 | I haven't made ANY changes to the configuration in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:30.23 | pav5088 | heheh... sometimes the wrong commands fly out my fingers... Work in both Linux and Windows environments. |
| 02:30.24 | petn-randall | ... and I have yet to see any logs of what you've been claiming for the last 40 minutes. |
| 02:30.54 | petn-randall | pav5088: Is this Virtualbox or docker? |
| 02:31.24 | petn-randall | (I'm guessing from the IP range) |
| 02:32.10 | pav5088 | https://paste.debian.net/1039355/ |
| 02:32.41 | pav5088 | I'll restart a fresh VM and see if it does anything different. |
| 02:33.12 | pav5088 | Here there are two results in that terminal output with the same commands. |
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| 02:34.43 | petn-randall | Well, but it's doing what you're asking from it, or not? So I don't understand your problem. |
| 02:35.06 | petn-randall | Anyways, I'm out. Hopefully someone else can take over. Good luck. |
| 02:35.16 | pav5088 | No it's not. I told it to ifdown... and it didn't... I ifup/ifdown again and then it does |
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| 02:35.49 | pav5088 | Yesterday it didn't even drop the IP address after an ifdown. I could ping the machine even. |
| 02:35.58 | pav5088 | (so it wasn't just a tool lying to me) |
| 02:37.25 | petn-randall | pav5088: That's also why I've been asking you what kind of VM it is, twice now. It could simply have been because the interface name changed. |
| 02:38.09 | petn-randall | Anyways, gotta catch some sleep. Good luck. |
| 02:38.44 | pav5088 | virtualbox |
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| 03:00.50 | altker128 | Anyone reccomend a light-weight SMTP server for local users / non-internet facing |
| 03:01.19 | altker128 | Would Dovecot be the "easiest" ? |
| 03:02.06 | neubraunschweig2 | is there any kind of quick guide to useful commands? i have just downloaded Debian and i need to install a desktop environment... unless there already is one, in which case i just don't know how to activate it from terminal, haha |
| 03:02.20 | neubraunschweig2 | *installed Debian |
| 03:03.24 | altker128 | neubraunschweig2: What exactly are you trying to do? Instal a desktop environment? |
| 03:03.52 | neubraunschweig2 | yep |
| 03:04.03 | altker128 | neubraunschweig2: apt-get install <desktop-environment> |
| 03:04.12 | altker128 | neubraunschweig2: apt-cache search <name> if you want to find it |
| 03:04.17 | neubraunschweig2 | ah ok |
| 03:04.27 | neubraunschweig2 | is there a list somewhere of possible options? |
| 03:04.43 | neubraunschweig2 | preferably accessible from browser |
| 03:05.46 | neubraunschweig2 | never mind, i think i understand |
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| 03:06.44 | altker128 | neubraunschweig2: If you already have a GUI, you can use synaptic |
| 03:06.54 | neubraunschweig2 | i have no GUI yet |
| 03:06.57 | neubraunschweig2 | i don't think anyway |
| 03:07.03 | neubraunschweig2 | or if i do, i don't know how to turn it on |
| 03:07.05 | altker128 | neubraunschweig2: What desktop ennvironment? |
| 03:07.10 | neubraunschweig2 | xfce4 |
| 03:07.19 | altker128 | neubraunschweig2: I can suggest MATE if you want fast, stable, reliable |
| 03:07.31 | neubraunschweig2 | ah, interesting, might do that instead |
| 03:07.35 | neubraunschweig2 | i'm just used to xfce |
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| 03:07.52 | neubraunschweig2 | is there a different command than sudo to get superuser privilege? |
| 03:08.03 | neubraunschweig2 | is it just 'su'? |
| 03:08.20 | neubraunschweig2 | currently trying to use apt-get but it's not working |
| 03:08.26 | altker128 | neubraunschweig2: su root |
| 03:08.31 | neubraunschweig2 | ok |
| 03:08.37 | altker128 | neubraunschweig2: sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install mate-desktop-environment |
| 03:10.26 | neubraunschweig2 | thanks for the help! |
| 03:12.19 | altker128 | neubraunschweig2: np. I really like MATE. I've tried XFCE and a bunch of others and find MATE for the most part "just works". |
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| 03:22.51 | acidtripper | hi there |
| 03:22.59 | acidtripper | somebody using widevine on stretch? |
| 03:23.07 | acidtripper | for netflix and chromium? |
| 03:23.17 | acidtripper | stable pacakge is not working |
| 03:23.18 | acidtripper | :( |
| 03:23.34 | alad | widevine package is empty now, _should_ be part of chromium itself |
| 03:23.46 | alad | however I didn't get it working so I gave in and just use google-chrome-stable |
| 03:24.22 | altker128 | acidtripper: Netflix seems to work with Firefox on Linux |
| 03:24.26 | acidtripper | is part of backports alad ? |
| 03:24.30 | altker128 | acidtripper: I've been using that without issue |
| 03:24.36 | alad | acidtripper: nope, from google's website |
| 03:24.48 | acidtripper | altker128: yes i usully use it on firefox |
| 03:24.53 | acidtripper | but wanter to use chromium |
| 03:25.04 | acidtripper | why is actually emty alad |
| 03:25.11 | acidtripper | that should be solved.. |
| 03:25.15 | acidtripper | consigering is part of stable |
| 03:25.19 | acidtripper | or erase it.. |
| 03:25.21 | alad | because like I said it's supposed to be merged to chromium (see the changelog) |
| 03:25.38 | acidtripper | ahh so next chromium must work |
| 03:25.42 | acidtripper | with widevine out of the box? |
| 03:26.01 | alad | it should work with current chromium |
| 03:26.04 | alad | I have no idea why it doesn't |
| 03:26.50 | acidtripper | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:26.55 | acidtripper | and solve it |
| 03:27.17 | alad | try checking bugs.debian.org |
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| 03:46.06 | OxFEEDBACC | high! is it "normal" on debian systems (MX linux 17.1 here, apparently based on Stretch) to not show in `mount`, `cat /proc/mounts`, `cat /proc/$$/mount{info,s,stats}`, when an entry is a bind mount? |
| 03:46.23 | OxFEEDBACC | or is that configurable somehow? or is it a glitch in my system? |
| 03:47.39 | OxFEEDBACC | when i have, for instance, /dev/sdb5 on /usr, and do a bind-mount of /usr/bin to /mnt/tmp/1, then `findmnt` shows it as /dev/sdb5[/bin], but that's the only hint i gut... |
| 03:50.06 | OxFEEDBACC | s/gut/got/ |
| 03:50.08 | OxFEEDBACC | (sorry) |
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| 04:08.05 | usney | how do I know if my cpu is affected by the new exploits? |
| 04:10.49 | rant | it is, I'm downloading your pr0n collection right now :P |
| 04:11.17 | rant | seriously though you need to be a whole lot more specific and this probably isnt the place for it |
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| 04:15.16 | rant | imagines they're burning their omputer right now after that joke |
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| 04:47.12 | usney | hello rant |
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| 04:53.00 | TwistedFate | hello all, i remember one debian's official website for kernel releases but i forgot which one it is.. anyone knows of such a website? |
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| 04:54.41 | contrapunctus | o/ |
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| 05:29.17 | rant | TwistedFate: debian website for kernel releases? |
| 05:29.28 | rant | TwistedFate: what is it you're trying to get exactly? |
| 05:29.33 | rant | ,kernels |
| 05:29.34 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.18.0-rc5-686 (4.18~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.17.0-3-686 (4.17.17-1); buster: 4.17.0-3-686 (4.17.17-1); stretch-backports: 4.17.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.17.8-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u4); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.7-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u2~deb8u1); wheezy-backports: |
| 05:29.35 | judd | 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1) |
| 05:29.49 | rant | because those are the debian kernel releases right there |
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| 05:32.39 | TwistedFate | rant: there's an official debian website about the kernel itself i think |
| 05:32.51 | TwistedFate | where they put up the kernel versions and bugs etc |
| 05:35.17 | rant | https://salsa.debian.org/kernel-team https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=linux https://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel |
| 05:35.23 | rant | shrugs |
| 05:35.24 | contrapunctus | I'm trying to find out if one can run Debian without non-free drivers/firmware on the upcoming Dragonboard Pyra. The SoC is TI OMAP 5, but there's not really much information on the Debian wiki and doesn't seem to be on the internet in general either. Any ideas? ð¤ |
| 05:36.52 | rant | contrapunctus: https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/pages/pyra/ this? |
| 05:37.00 | contrapunctus | aye |
| 05:37.51 | rant | the site seems to indicate its being built for debian |
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| 05:39.36 | contrapunctus | yeah, but doesn't say anything about non-free drivers/firmware (we can assume GPU and WiFi/BT are non-free, but what else?) |
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| 05:39.51 | contrapunctus | I'll ask them too, I guess. |
| 05:40.08 | rant | yeah well you cant really get an answer from anyone before something like this exists |
| 05:40.15 | contrapunctus | fair |
| 05:40.21 | contrapunctus | thanks |
| 05:40.30 | rant | and in reality you really can't usually get a straight honest answer even after it exists most of the time :P |
| 05:40.35 | contrapunctus | lmao |
| 05:41.03 | rant | I got a orangepi lite here that claimed to be open and was proprietary as all hell |
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| 05:41.21 | contrapunctus | :\ |
| 05:41.28 | rant | took about a year after I bought it for most things in it to be reverse engineered and mainlined |
| 05:41.48 | rant | the mfg just released backdoored kernels with memory leaks |
| 05:41.54 | contrapunctus | dafuq |
| 05:42.06 | contrapunctus | RYF master race, I guess |
| 05:42.21 | Lxrowe | #systemdmasterrace |
| 05:42.57 | rant | like a developer I like a lot, who hosts one of our bots and made one of our foss games, has been working on a developer phone with this company for years now its been announcing releases that never came |
| 05:43.10 | rant | so I dont really hold my breath on that stuff anymore |
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| 05:44.28 | contrapunctus | Pyra is from the same community as Pandora, though, and they seem 99% sure they'll get a successful release. |
| 05:44.46 | rant | as in the music streaming site pandora? |
| 05:44.57 | contrapunctus | nay, the handheld console Pandora :) |
| 05:45.02 | contrapunctus | Seemed cool - handheld device with a hardware QWERTY keyboard running desktop Linux. |
| 05:45.57 | rant | ah I see.. apparently they did one already |
| 05:49.13 | rant | contrapunctus: there are ones out there with more usable qwerty keyboards like the gemini pda and such.. |
| 05:49.58 | rant | this one seems more geared toward gaming.. |
| 05:50.09 | rant | the keyboard looks rather aweful |
| 05:51.34 | rant | trying to cram a qwerty keyboard onto something with the form factor of an Nintendo DS and still have gaming controls too.. is bound to be rather painful |
| 05:51.50 | rant | and the layout and small keys look atrocious |
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| 05:55.23 | rant | contrapunctus: the including cellular tech for one thing especially makes things complicated on projects like this.. getting approval from govts and such |
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| 06:52.04 | Bushmaster | hello I am seeking some help, I am trying to install QGIS in my Debian, following the QGIS website but I am having issue, can anyone help please |
| 06:53.13 | at0m|c | Bushmaster: why following their website? there's packages in the debian repositories |
| 06:53.17 | at0m|c | ,v qgis |
| 06:53.18 | judd | Package: qgis on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.7.4+1.7.5~20120320-1.1+b1; jessie: 2.4.0-1+b1; jessie-backports: 2.14.11+dfsg-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.14.11+dfsg-3+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 2.18.20+dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2.18.22+dfsg-1; sid: 2.18.22+dfsg-1 |
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| 06:54.15 | Bushmaster | hi at0m|c yes, I realized that but unfortunately it is not the version that support OpenMapService plugin for QGIS |
| 06:55.04 | Bushmaster | at0m|c, here is the QGIS link where it is clearly presented how to install QGIS in debian but I am having issue https://qgis.org/en/site/forusers/alldownloads.html#debian-ubuntu |
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| 06:56.02 | Bushmaster | at0m|c, here is my issue after adding qgis repository in source list https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/h9kcXZww3W/ |
| 06:56.50 | Bushmaster | I would appreciate if anyone extend hand to help me with resolving this issue |
| 06:57.01 | themill | I think the error message answers the question? |
| 06:57.57 | Bushmaster | themill, shall I install apt-transport... then? |
| 06:58.19 | at0m|c | Bushmaster: looks like that https://qgis.org/debian/ is the repository. apt install apt-transport-https then proceed like you did before |
| 06:59.27 | at0m|c | Bushmaster: probably apt update && apt install qgis |
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| 07:00.03 | Bushmaster | at0m|c, brilliant, i just installed apt-transport |
| 07:00.22 | at0m|c | apt-transport-https i assume? |
| 07:00.47 | at0m|c | since their repo is HTTPS://qgis.org/debian/ |
| 07:02.34 | Bushmaster | at0m|c, now another issue I will pastebin you but i think this problem is also delineated and explained in QGIS website but I just need to double confirm with you folks okay, here is the problem https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ncMzMGZKrW/ at0m|c |
| 07:03.44 | Bushmaster | at0m|c, and here is the QGIS website that provided answer to the problem, if you scroll down, just below the Note, it mention how to add key https://qgis.org/en/site/forusers/alldownloads.html#debian-ubuntu |
| 07:04.05 | Bushmaster | shall I follow their procedures at0m|c |
| 07:05.27 | Bushmaster | at0m|c, i done it, it processed following this command apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-key CAEB3DC3BDF7FB45 |
| 07:06.10 | at0m|c | Bushmaster: that worked? otherwise, there's a wget -O - https://qgis.org/downloads/qgis-2017.gpg.key | gpg --import gpg --fingerprint CAEB3DC3BDF7FB45 |
| 07:06.11 | themill | what are you actually trying to achieve here? |
| 07:07.03 | themill | QuickMapServices Plugin is marked as being compatible with qgis in jessie-backports |
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| 07:08.02 | Bushmaster | themill, yes QucikMapServices, can you kindly help me to set it up when installation is finished, I trust you are fluent in QGIS? |
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| 07:08.16 | at0m|c | oh right, Bushmaster's line does both, it gets the key and installs it. |
| 07:08.25 | at0m|c | hadn't read that far on their page |
| 07:08.27 | Bushmaster | at0m|c, installation of QGIS latest version has began, I love Debian |
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| 07:09.38 | themill | I know nothing of qgis other than that their documentation says that what you are doing is not necessary. |
| 07:09.39 | at0m|c | Bushmaster: themill is fluent in debian, and then some |
| 07:10.28 | Bushmaster | themill, i do not know backporting hence i thought updating to latest QGIS version will enable me to add Quickmap plugin |
| 07:10.38 | Bushmaster | at0m|c, i think I am half way there |
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| 07:12.09 | Bushmaster | the crux of the matter is Debian is the GODFATHER of all operating systems at0m|c |
| 07:12.35 | Bushmaster | it never lets me down, it is THE BEST at0m|c |
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| 07:14.07 | at0m|c | if you say so. there's also a #qgis on this irc network, they'll know about all the specifics for installing plugins and what not. |
| 07:14.56 | Bushmaster | yes at0m|c the qgis channel is very slow, people often sleep all the time |
| 07:15.51 | at0m|c | don't rush irc :p |
| 07:15.55 | contrapunctus | Bushmaster: hello from an OSM contributor ;) |
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| 07:16.42 | Bushmaster | contrapunctus, what is OSM my friend? |
| 07:17.40 | contrapunctus | ._. |
| 07:18.06 | contrapunctus | Bushmaster: OpenStreetMap, the Wikipedia of map data - https://osm.org |
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| 07:20.52 | Lxrowe | ,__. |
| 07:21.54 | contrapunctus | my bad, though, I thought QGIS was a (more closely) related thing |
| 07:22.34 | contrapunctus | Lxrowe: are you...Leah of Libreboot and MiniFree fame? o.o |
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| 07:26.01 | Bushmaster | contrapunctus, apparently QGIS is installed but 2.18 version |
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| 07:30.17 | Bushmaster | contrapunctus, I see QOSM plugin, shall I install it? |
| 07:31.24 | contrapunctus | no idea lol |
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| 08:09.27 | sweb | debian installer stuck on looking on another operating system on grub installation... simple virtual machine on Ubuntu 16.04 box debian jessie 8.10 and 8.11 tested with mini iso files |
| 08:10.06 | sweb | one Vda on /boot(ext4) swap and / partition (ext4) |
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| 08:12.38 | sweb | https://image.ibb.co/i4xdF9/Screenshot_from_2018_08_26_12_42_03.png |
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| 08:24.07 | linux8659 | hi ,does intel n3050 1.6Ghz-2.16Ghz is enough to run debian 64 gnome ??thanks |
| 08:24.35 | dreamer | depends what you're going to run |
| 08:26.15 | linux8659 | openvpn ,tor-browser ,but mostly watch videos and use firefox ,I know I can t expect to do much virtualistion on this |
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| 08:28.00 | linux8659 | but will debian run without problem ,I never had such a low cpu before ,Im travelling and syst76 doesn t deliver where I am ..so want to buy this cheap one for a few months |
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| 08:30.44 | jasabella | linux8659⦠i'm running i386 debian inside a virtualbox vm on an atom z540 |
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| 08:31.43 | wgas | this latop is n3060 and works ok with kde |
| 08:31.48 | jasabella | i give it only 256mib of ram, putty in from win7 |
| 08:33.58 | jasabella | anyone familiar with how xorg is packaged? what's the minimum i need to get an xorg server going? |
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| 08:36.05 | kirk781 | jasabella, now install a virtual box inside that VM and run Windows on it |
| 08:36.16 | jasabella | :D |
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| 08:41.19 | kirk781 | jasabella, https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/23/17773180/microsoft-windows-95-app-download-features |
| 08:44.08 | jasabella | kirk781⦠i saw, that's insane, although they did do dos a while ago - you seen the wasm vim port? |
| 08:45.35 | jasabella | isn't this more ram than most machines of that era had? > Once itâs running it surprisingly only takes up around 200MB of RAM, even when running all of the old Windows 95 system utilities, apps, and games. |
| 08:45.47 | kirk781 | jasabella, I didn't see that port. But I want to try this out. |
| 08:46.09 | kirk781 | As soon as I restart my PC and boot back in Debian, I had try it. Too bad Solus doesn |
| 08:46.19 | kirk781 | doesn't support either .deb or .rpm |
| 08:46.39 | kirk781 | jasabella, It's an electron app. Electron is a RAM hogger |
| 08:46.52 | kirk781 | Freakin Slack takes more RAM than whole OS back in the day |
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| 08:49.00 | jasabella | got better things to do with that ram :) |
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| 08:55.17 | sweb | i itried about 4 images but debian installer stuck on ... change hard drive also problem not solved |
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| 08:58.51 | jasabella | sweb⦠stuck on what? |
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| 08:59.12 | sweb | jasabella: https://image.ibb.co/i4xdF9/Screenshot_from_2018_08_26_12_42_03.png |
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| 09:09.37 | deface | www.runbsd.cc -> Social Network for on OpenBSD (Most Sec. OS in this World) |
| 09:09.54 | jasabella | this is a vm right? did you partition your virtual disk ok? |
| 09:10.26 | deface | its a VM with Encription and Part table |
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| 09:11.11 | deface | if u need to see network-diagram i can provide here |
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| 09:14.11 | sweb | jasabella: debian installer stuck on looking on another operating system on grub installation... simple virtual machine on Ubuntu 16.04 box debian jessie 8.10 and 8.11 tested with mini iso files ... one Vda on /boot(ext4) swap and / partition (ext4) |
| 09:14.23 | sweb | jasabella: repost |
| 09:14.58 | sweb | jasabella: ye it's vm ... uskin kvm qemu |
| 09:15.27 | sweb | jasabella: i think i installing over 10K this operation but never this issue before |
| 09:17.33 | sweb | jasabella: i replace harddisk raw image and reinstall whole operation, changing iso from net to CD ... nothing different |
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| 09:50.34 | plouescat | hey guys |
| 09:51.08 | plouescat | I just re-installed the 9 version and it feels like firefox is way slower than before. No CPU or mem peak whatsoever. |
| 09:51.23 | plouescat | no extensions |
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| 09:56.36 | TheWizard | hi |
| 09:57.25 | TheWizard | please help, I did a fresh install of debian 9.5 on a PC, hplip is missing pagewide ppds, is anyone using a pagewide 377? Thanks!! |
| 09:58.04 | TheWizard | I have several debian 9 installation which has got hplip working with the same printer |
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| 09:59.04 | plouescat | how did you do last time? |
| 09:59.29 | plouescat | maybe check the changelog to see if there's anything about hplip |
| 09:59.58 | plouescat | (I'm staying general 'cause when I have to print something I just go to the printshop next door lmao) |
| 10:00.14 | TheWizard | I apt-get cups and hplip |
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| 10:01.30 | plouescat | https://askubuntu.com/questions/957251/could-not-add-printer-although-hplip-was-installted-showing-massage-that-ppd-fi maybe that? |
| 10:01.32 | mdonkers | apt-get show hp-ppd |
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| 10:01.52 | plouescat | https://sourceforge.net/projects/hplip/files/hplip/ |
| 10:02.08 | mdonkers | hp-ppd - HP Postscript Printer Definition (PPD) files |
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| 10:02.57 | TheWizard | it is missing in the package |
| 10:03.54 | mdonkers | hp-ppd is a separate package. |
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| 10:04.02 | TheWizard | it is installed |
| 10:04.31 | TheWizard | hp-setup correctly finds the printer on the net, but show me that no ppd is found for this printer |
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| 10:05.57 | mdonkers | And hpijs-ppds - HP Linux Printing and Imaging - HPIJS PPD files ? |
| 10:06.22 | TheWizard | I'm trying to install via cups web interface |
| 10:06.42 | TheWizard | the model is correctly found and installed! |
| 10:07.23 | TheWizard | I'm printing the test page |
| 10:07.39 | TheWizard | worked |
| 10:07.56 | mdonkers | So trying via the cups web interface fixed it? |
| 10:08.11 | mdonkers | (No additional packages were required?) |
| 10:08.16 | TheWizard | installed, bu hplip cannot install the same printer |
| 10:08.18 | TheWizard | no |
| 10:08.23 | TheWizard | no additional packages |
| 10:08.30 | mdonkers | Weird... |
| 10:09.19 | TheWizard | very |
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| 10:12.09 | TheWizard | cups found the correct driver! |
| 10:15.22 | TheWizard | the funny thing is that I installed openbsd on another machine and hplip works there! |
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| 10:19.54 | mdonkers | On my Debian Stretch stable I also use hplip. Workedout of the box (only had to configure it). |
| 10:20.52 | TheWizard | me too on other boxes |
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| 10:21.07 | mdonkers | Even weirder... |
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| 10:22.29 | TheWizard | installed from 9 |
| 10:22.37 | TheWizard | not 9.5 |
| 10:22.45 | TheWizard | and update to 9.5 |
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| 10:24.31 | TheWizard | purged all hp stuffs |
| 10:24.33 | mdonkers | Me too (9.0 ---> 9.5 via updates). |
| 10:24.34 | TheWizard | reinstalling |
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| 10:34.47 | TheWizard | now cannot make it works! I deleted /etc/hp/hlip.conf and reinstalled, apt cannot recreate issing configurations! I used: apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" install --reinstallapt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" install hplip |
| 10:35.00 | TheWizard | now cannot make it works! I deleted /etc/hp/hlip.conf and reinstalled, apt cannot recreate issing configurations! I used: apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" install hplip |
| 10:37.17 | TheWizard | broken! |
| 10:38.41 | TheWizard | can't recreate the conf file, unbelievable! |
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| 10:43.35 | TheWizard | no way |
| 10:43.43 | TheWizard | 9.5 has got broken hplip |
| 10:44.04 | no_gravity | Can you tell the wifi card of a laptop to power save less aggressively? It seems my card goes into sleep after a few milliseconds or so. |
| 10:44.33 | no_gravity | I tell it to stop power saving with 'iwconfig <interface> power off'. |
| 10:44.41 | no_gravity | But that might be too radical of a solution? |
| 10:44.45 | mdonkers | @TheWizard - I dare not try to touch hplip now... |
| 10:44.55 | no_gravity | Can I tell it to sleep only after 10s of inactivity or so? |
| 10:48.14 | unmy | no_gravity, maybe your wifi network got some weird high values of DTIM and beacon interval |
| 10:48.48 | mdonkers | @TheWizard Tried hp-setup ? |
| 10:48.55 | no_gravity | unmy: What is that? How can I check it? |
| 10:49.51 | unmy | no_gravity, first use google and after search how to login to your wifi access point |
| 10:51.59 | no_gravity | unmy: There seem to be no such settings in my access point. |
| 10:52.13 | TheWizard | :( |
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| 10:56.25 | mdonkers | dpkg -S /etc/hp/hplip.conf reports: libsane-hpaio:amd64: /etc/hp/hplip.conf |
| 10:56.25 | dpkg | You Fool! /etc/hp/hplip.conf reports: libsane-hpaio:amd64: /etc/hp/hplip.conf is installed! |
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| 10:58.26 | unmy | no_gravity, so probably are default, just use power off because it seems that not working like should |
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| 11:00.19 | no_gravity | unmy: Won't that use more power? |
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| 11:07.36 | unmy | no_gravity, it shouldn't be sooo big diffrence at all, just check it with ON and OFF if you will notice it |
| 11:08.25 | no_gravity | unmy: I notice it big time. ping is like 5ms with OFF between 20 and 200ms with ON. |
| 11:08.42 | unmy | I prefer stable network connection from losing maybe 10 minutes of battery |
| 11:08.59 | unmy | no_gravity, that is normal |
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| 11:09.45 | unmy | if you have beacon time 100ms and dtim 2 what is prety common then pings will jump like that on IDLE connection |
| 11:10.08 | unmy | no_gravity, run some low streaming like internet radio and then check the pings |
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| 11:10.22 | no_gravity | unmy: pings are fine if the card is busy. |
| 11:10.39 | unmy | no_gravity, so all works like should and you have nothing to worry |
| 11:11.09 | unmy | working* |
| 11:11.12 | no_gravity | unmy: Well, I need fast response time from my laptop when I'm coding on it via ssh from another machine. |
| 11:11.17 | no_gravity | So then I turn power off. |
| 11:13.03 | unmy | no_gravity, if you feeling some delays then ye |
| 11:13.25 | no_gravity | unmy: I feel BIG delays with POWER ON |
| 11:15.25 | unmy | no_gravity, other way could just set dtim interval to 1 and lower beacons to 50 what should lower the delays and tell the card to not sleep longer than 50ms |
| 11:16.09 | no_gravity | unmy: But where do I set that? |
| 11:16.23 | unmy | every normal AP got those settings but many of those routers with modem/ap from operators have lock it |
| 11:16.38 | no_gravity | My AP has no such settings. |
| 11:17.11 | unmy | no_gravity, put your AP model in google and check if can set own values |
| 11:19.53 | no_gravity | unmy: No luck. |
| 11:20.05 | no_gravity | unmy: Isn't it a setting of the wifi card how fast it goes to sleep? |
| 11:20.34 | unmy | what is your ap model name? |
| 11:21.34 | no_gravity | unmy: I can msg it to you. |
| 11:21.44 | unmy | no_gravity, no, because AP is sending dtim packets to tell about when card can go sleep to save some power so just can only disable it in card to ignore it |
| 11:21.51 | unmy | no_gravity, ok |
| 11:21.55 | no_gravity | I see |
| 11:23.10 | ralpheeee | with backports on stable some packages (eg ranger file manager v 1.7.1) have not been backported yet...buster has v 1.8.1 and their github has v 1.9.1....is it best then just to build from source (provided their are no major complications with dependencies)... |
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| 12:35.41 | FightingFalcon | rewrite ^(/.*)\.html(\?.*)?$ https://$host$1 permanent; this regex only works if there is html somewhere in the website url. how can i make it to work even if it doesnt have html? |
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| 12:43.41 | RoyK | FightingFalcon: apache? try #httpd |
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| 13:06.24 | Jenny_Tells | Hi, I have a problem with my hosters debian Image (I guess - got no problems on every other Debian installation). I installed UFW and reloaded everytime I applied a rule. Tough I loose all my UFW rules if I restart my server. Any ideas? |
| 13:17.31 | blackflow | Jenny_Tells: any cloud-init-something-blah-service installed by the provider that (re)sets config on boot? |
| 13:20.17 | RoyK | Jenny_Tells: anything in the logs? any error messages if you try to "ufw enable" manually? |
| 13:21.13 | RoyK | Jenny_Tells: I had a similar issue with crowncloud openvx - they just moved me to a kvm-based machine instead of fixing it, saying openvx was something they wanted to get rid of anyway |
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| 13:28.29 | blackflow | "lose all UFW rules" vs "UFW rules are there but not applied / erroring out for some reason". Jenny_Tells should clarify, I was assuming the former. |
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| 13:34.25 | RoyK | Jenny_Tells: run "what-virt" to check how the machine is virtualised |
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| 13:41.17 | FightingFalcon | Does curl command use cache or something like that?= |
| 13:41.45 | introom | hi |
| 13:41.51 | introom | how to install the dependencies of a package |
| 13:41.58 | introom | but not install the package itself? |
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| 13:44.15 | The0x539 | introom: is apt install followed by apt remove without autoremove not a good solution here? |
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| 13:46.53 | introom | ok. i go with this: sudo apt install (apt-cache depends plantuml | awk '/(Depends|Recommends):/{print$2}') |
| 13:49.20 | The0x539 | I'm trying to route all traffic from a certain user through tun0, roughly following https://freeaqingme.tweakblogs.net/blog/9340/netflix-using-a-vpn-for-just-one-application.html . The VPN bit seems to work fine, I can ping through tun0 on my normal user just fine, and get different latency, but anything from the vpn account just can't connect. |
| 13:49.49 | n4dir | me thinks a $ is required before the ( ... ) |
| 13:50.14 | The0x539 | ping -v from the vpn account complains "ping: socket: Permission denied, attempting raw socket..." twice before just sitting there. |
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| 13:50.32 | The0x539 | how can I figure out what's going wrong? |
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| 14:18.19 | tw | The0x539: check whether you're running debian's ping or some other ping. As far as I know debian's ping automatically has the right capabilities for raw sockets. |
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| 14:20.40 | bites | ping has the setuid flag. |
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| 14:21.09 | The0x539 | tw: I have no reason to believe I'd have something other than debian's ping |
| 14:21.39 | tw | mine has setcap instead of suid. |
| 14:21.55 | tw | but same thing in the end. |
| 14:22.15 | Jenny_Tells | blackflow: I have A rootserver, so no VPS or Cloudservice |
| 14:22.19 | The0x539 | Oh! interestingly, if I specify an interface (either enp3s0 or tun0), ping does its thing just fine on the vpn account |
| 14:22.26 | The0x539 | but normal traffic is still a no-go |
| 14:22.29 | Jenny_Tells | RoyK: see msg to blackflow |
| 14:22.31 | FightingFalcon | How come curl is using cache man? |
| 14:23.31 | The0x539 | i've heard of setcap and, I think, suid, but I'm not clear on what they are or what they do |
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| 14:23.59 | Jenny_Tells | blackflow: the UFW rules are there but not applied and go lost after reboot. The (lucky) exeptions is my ssh port which is somehow applied permanantly |
| 14:24.04 | blackflow | Jenny_Tells: same question applies :) nowadays baremetal clouds are a thing. |
| 14:24.05 | tw | The0x539: maybe check if you have all the routes you need on table 2? |
| 14:24.27 | The0x539 | default dev tun0 scope link |
| 14:24.33 | The0x539 | I have no idea if that looks right |
| 14:24.49 | blackflow | Jenny_Tells: ahh, see, that's different then, and not what you originally asked. see if the ufw service is started and enabled, if it's erroring out or something. |
| 14:24.53 | tw | it doesn't. Usually you have a gateway for openvpn. |
| 14:25.08 | tw | The0x539: copy the routes you need from the default table onto table 2 |
| 14:26.07 | The0x539 | i'd imagine enp3s0 is part of that, but what else |
| 14:26.54 | tw | just the dev tun stuff should be sufficient, unless it is running the openvpn daemon as that user. |
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| 14:27.36 | The0x539 | htop confirms that openvpn is running as root |
| 14:27.57 | Jenny_Tells | blackflow: ufw is loaded, active but exited |
| 14:28.01 | tw | then just the dev tun entries would be plenty. |
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| 14:29.08 | The0x539 | so I'm taking something (what, specifically?) from the output of "ip route show" and doing something (again, what?) with it |
| 14:30.26 | tw | `ip ro add (whatever from ip ro show | grep dev tun) table 2` |
| 14:30.57 | Jenny_Tells | blackflow: quick question, do I have to reload UFW to enable it permanently or do I have to ufw enable? |
| 14:32.20 | Jenny_Tells | I'll reboot, to see if 'ufw enable' took effect, brb |
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| 14:38.31 | tw | huh, so if you install iputils-ping w/ libcap2-bin installed, ping uses capabilities, but w/o it uses suid. That's clever. |
| 14:39.56 | The0x539 | tw: "10.54.0.0/16 dev tun0 proto kernel scope link src 10.54.88.201" is now the only line in table 2, and now the vpn user seems to be not going through the vpn |
| 14:40.56 | The0x539 | I'm under the impression that the packet marking and filtering is working because connectivity gets borked for the specific user again if I add back that line that used to be there (in addition to this one) |
| 14:43.26 | tw | The0x539: Well, either your vpn server isn't set up for def1-style route-everything w/ nat, or route-nopull is eliminating a number of the routes you need to be adding. |
| 14:43.54 | tw | you should have a default route on table 2, or two /1 routes. |
| 14:44.03 | The0x539 | what would a default route look like |
| 14:44.55 | tw | default via 10.54.0.1 dev tun0 would be my guess. |
| 14:45.19 | tw | or 0.0.0.0/1 via 10.54.0.1 dev tun0 and 128.0.0.0/1 via 10.54.0.1 dev tun0 |
| 14:45.58 | The0x539 | getting permission denied if I add that first one |
| 14:47.36 | The0x539 | ...and that second one |
| 14:47.36 | tw | The0x539: I'm just guessing at your vpn config. You should remove the route-nopull line from the config and reconnect to see what routes it gives you. |
| 14:48.03 | The0x539 | :q |
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| 14:48.33 | tw | If it's not giving you default routes, it's very like the vpn server isn't set up for NAT routing of clients. |
| 14:48.35 | The0x539 | I mean it's there, in fact I labeled last night that I added it |
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| 14:51.07 | The0x539 | I can no longer connect to the computer. |
| 14:51.19 | The0x539 | no ssh, no website that I host on it |
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| 14:55.01 | Jenny_Tells | ufw enable didn't do the trick, I had to manually apply the rules again :/ |
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| 15:00.00 | awal1 | How can I call vlock for all tty's being in X? |
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| 15:01.06 | awal1 | -n option seems |
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| 15:01.36 | awal1 | or not? |
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| 15:02.07 | rant | awal1: idk what a vlock is but you can just do a loop and redirect to the device nodes for most things |
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| 15:02.33 | awal1 | not sure about how to do that |
| 15:02.47 | rant | awal1: for vc in 1 2 3 4 5 6; do setterm -inversescreen > /dev/tty"$vc"; done for example I used to do |
| 15:03.01 | rant | that would make all the terms white on black |
| 15:03.30 | rant | awal1: something like that may work for what you're doing idk.. |
| 15:04.06 | awal1 | rant, interesting yeah. I am used to use vlock , an utility for lock vc |
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| 15:04.26 | awal1 | i usually just do vlock -a from a given tty |
| 15:04.31 | rant | idk just redirecting commands to a tty device node always worked for me |
| 15:05.04 | awal1 | but i think i'am wrong vlock is just for vc (tty's) , will not work on X |
| 15:05.20 | rant | shrugs |
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| 15:05.27 | rant | ,i vlock |
| 15:05.28 | judd | Package vlock (utils, optional) in stretch/amd64: Virtual Console locking program. Version: 2.2.2-8; Size: 36.1k; Installed: 118k; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/vlock; O: #753662 |
| 15:05.56 | rant | X runs on a virtual console.. but is not itself a virtual console |
| 15:06.05 | awal1 | that |
| 15:07.40 | rant | awal1: idk try for t in `seq 1 6`; do vlock -a > /dev/tty"$t"; done |
| 15:07.50 | rant | see if it locks tty1-6 |
| 15:08.17 | rant | or use the example above if you dont want a sequence but specific numbers |
| 15:08.43 | awal1 | works from tty yep |
| 15:08.58 | awal1 | i use setterm rarely |
| 15:09.14 | awal1 | let me check it closely |
| 15:09.19 | rant | for awhile there I was using no X and got tired of the black screen :P |
| 15:09.46 | awal1 | i will try to combine vlock setterm and xtrlock some how |
| 15:09.57 | awal1 | thanks for your time rant |
| 15:10.00 | rant | well I was more talking about doing for i in 1 3 5 rather than for i in `seq 1 6` |
| 15:10.12 | rant | if you just want to do specific ones and not a whole sequence |
| 15:10.40 | rant | using seq is really the same as just specifying all the numbers |
| 15:11.39 | awal1 | my goal is lock all tty's and X via a single shortcut |
| 15:11.54 | awal1 | for work reasons |
| 15:12.12 | rant | well make a simple script with a for loop and then a desktop file (for the shortcut) |
| 15:12.43 | awal1 | will check that .must run now will be back later. thanks rant. work time (Y) |
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| 15:14.04 | hazzy-lab | Hello, I am running debian 9.5 with 4.16.12-rt5 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT kernel, GeForce GTX 550 Ti graphics and XFCE desktop. X seems to crash very frequently and I am forced to restart. |
| 15:14.04 | hazzy-lab | How can I go about verifying that it is X that is crashing, and what the cause is? |
| 15:14.57 | rant | hazzy-lab: it keeps logs, as does the Display Manager, check the x log, display manager log, and the kernel dmesg log for clues, and if you need help paste all three to a pastebin |
| 15:15.11 | tw | awal1: are you using systemd session management? Can you use `loginctl lock-sessions --wait` to lock everything? |
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| 15:16.10 | hazzy-lab | rant: Thanks, did not see anything suspicious in dmesg, I will look for the other logs |
| 15:17.12 | tw | oh, there isn't a --wait option, haha, I read that wrong. |
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| 15:54.03 | kek_ | hi |
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| 15:55.26 | kek_ | so I have a cheap vps which i use to play around - wanted to install openvpn, for that I needed the tun module. modprobe tun returns nothing, lsmod | grep tun also doesn't show anything. So how can I make sure the module is loaded? Why does modprobe tun not return some information? |
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| 15:57.53 | DLange | probably because your cheap VPS does not allow you to run a specific kernel or load modules to that kernel |
| 15:58.01 | GNU\colossus | kek_, there are VPS providers that won't let you load kernel modules, due to the "hypervisor" technology they use. if you have a shared kernel, and aren't fully virtualized (think Xen, QEMU, or VMware and friends), chances are you cannot have tun support. |
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| 15:59.38 | rant | so hypervisors are no tun at all and virtual containers are tuns of fun? :P |
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| 16:01.25 | kek_ | GNU\colossus, yeah that's possible, might check that. though I'd get an error then. |
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| 17:40.47 | TheAvatar | Hey. I managed to trigger an update of perl, causing some problems. How to I "revert" (stay on 5.20 and skip the 5.24 update) the perl update? https://pastebin.com/B4TR9Evt |
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| 17:44.42 | a0z | TheAvatar: maybe try https://www.google.com/search?q=debian+package+pinning |
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| 17:46.35 | TheAvatar | a0z, would I also use that, to stay on the version currently installed? |
| 17:47.19 | TheAvatar | I want to stay on the currently installed version, and not upgrade (atleast not yet), but I triggered an update, that I didn't complete |
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| 17:48.16 | peedabee | TheAvatar, https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/79050/can-i-rollback-an-apt-get-upgrade-if-something-goes-wrong |
| 17:48.33 | peedabee | TheAvatar, something like that? |
| 17:49.25 | a0z | TheAvatar: i'm new here, so cannot help much more but according to https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences you just put the pkg names into the config file for apt |
| 17:50.22 | annadane | ,v perl |
| 17:50.23 | judd | Package: perl on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.14.2-21+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 5.14.2-21+deb7u6; jessie: 5.20.2-3+deb8u11; jessie-security: 5.20.2-3+deb8u11; stretch: 5.24.1-3+deb9u2; stretch-proposed-updates: 5.24.1-3+deb9u4; stretch-security: 5.24.1-3+deb9u4; buster: 5.26.2-7; sid: 5.26.2-7; experimental: 5.28.0-2 |
| 17:50.31 | annadane | TheAvatar, ok, so you're on jessie, right? |
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| 17:50.58 | annadane | jessie is only receiving LTS support now, so i guess at this point assuming the FrankenDebian isn't reversible, consider updating to stretch |
| 17:51.27 | annadane | someone more knowledgeable may be able to help more |
| 17:51.50 | peedabee | You could of course always run a container / docker keeping multiple versions on the same system |
| 17:52.09 | TheAvatar | annadane, I am on stretch |
| 17:52.25 | annadane | then that's really weird |
| 17:52.31 | TheAvatar | peedabee, in a way, yes. Except I didn't upgrade anything yet that I regret. But apt thinks I want to upgrade, and I dont |
| 17:52.41 | TheAvatar | so, apt has a pending update of perl, and I want to cancel that |
| 17:53.04 | annadane | i think maybe pasting (paste.debian.net) what you're trying to do may help |
| 17:53.37 | TheAvatar | annadane, I did here: https://pastebin.com/B4TR9Evt - I just want to get rid of the errors, so I can use apt again |
| 17:53.44 | TheAvatar | so, cancel the pending perl update |
| 17:53.51 | peedabee | Put a package on hold: |
| 17:53.51 | peedabee | echo "<package-name> hold" | sudo dpkg --set-selections |
| 17:54.25 | peedabee | with apt: sudo apt-mark hold <package-name> |
| 17:54.28 | TheAvatar | I think the problem is, that I am using perl from jessie, but running stretch, so it is eager to update |
| 17:54.41 | annadane | clearly, yes |
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| 17:55.02 | rander2 | hello all |
| 17:55.04 | TheAvatar | and the reason to do so, is to keep nagios3 |
| 17:55.30 | TheAvatar | peedabee, I put 'perl' on hold, but apt-get does the same still |
| 17:55.47 | rander2 | how my I have the desktop debian9 xfce on my laptop running ubuntu ? |
| 17:56.06 | rander2 | my pc debian9 |
| 17:56.24 | rander2 | !help |
| 17:56.36 | bites | TheAvatar: because perl is not the problem, the other libs that depend on a higher perl version are. |
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| 17:57.01 | annadane | !ubuntu |
| 17:57.01 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 17:57.02 | bites | libdbd-mysql-perl : Depends: perl (>= 5.24.1-1) but 5.20.2-3+deb8u9 is installed |
| 17:57.04 | annadane | rander2, ^ |
| 17:57.20 | TheAvatar | bites, yes - while I have things that depend on a lower perl version (current perl 5.20) |
| 17:57.22 | annadane | that said i guess it's probably the same as in debian, apt install xfce4 |
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| 17:57.36 | peedabee | rander2, using a container and bindmounting the videocard etc OR using a virtual machine depends on what you want |
| 17:57.40 | TheAvatar | bites, but I have nothing installed yet, that requires perl 5.24 - so I just need to tell apt, that I dont want that update now anyways |
| 17:59.21 | rander2 | peedabee, it isnn't a virtual machine, it's a real machine |
| 18:00.02 | rander2 | I think ssh X |
| 18:00.27 | peedabee | rander2, so you want to run a debian desktop on an ubuntu machine? |
| 18:00.50 | rander2 | peedabee, yes |
| 18:01.33 | rander2 | 'because debian pc is more powerfull to compiling , etc... |
| 18:01.48 | rander2 | peedabee, something like vnc |
| 18:01.55 | peedabee | aaaah look into x2go |
| 18:02.04 | bites | TheAvatar: then revert all those packages to the version in jessie, put them on hold and try the update again. but mixed systems are not fun to administrate. |
| 18:02.20 | peedabee | it's fast, ssh-based and has a ppa repo. |
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| 18:02.55 | rander2 | what x2go ? |
| 18:03.32 | peedabee | rander2, https://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php |
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| 18:04.38 | rander2 | go is a programming language, not a remote screen viewer |
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| 18:05.13 | peedabee | rander2, please look at the link I just mentioned.... |
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| 18:06.05 | TheAvatar | okay, that failed drastically - guess I have to update now |
| 18:06.34 | rander2 | peedabee, ok but the link is for ubuntu, is it go on debian too ? |
| 18:06.58 | bites | TheAvatar: does nagios depend on that specific perl version? it might survive the update. |
| 18:07.14 | peedabee | rander2, it works on debian too |
| 18:07.16 | annadane | isn't nagios pretty standard, i don't see why it should depend on perl 5.20 |
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| 18:07.37 | ralpheeee | have installed pulseaudio running 4.17.0-3-amd64 and cant get my bluetooth speakers to connect "Failed to connect: org.bluez.Error.Failed" |
| 18:07.45 | peedabee | rander2, https://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php/wiki:repositories:debian |
| 18:11.19 | bites | oh, yeah. dep: libperl5.20 there's that. |
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| 18:15.58 | TheAvatar | bites, yes it does depend on that. And no, it didn't survive at all :P |
| 18:16.21 | TheAvatar | so now I upgrade everything, and might try force install nagios3, but bet it doesn't work, since the deps are set that way |
| 18:16.41 | bites | that's why i won't touch my nagios server for the next 10 years. ^^ |
| 18:17.03 | TheAvatar | that's why I shouldn't have touched mine, but I needed the nrpe package ._, |
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| 18:20.29 | n9nes | have mounted a cifs share via fstab but I'm not able to write to the destination, its read only. how to troubleshoot this? |
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| 18:23.31 | peedabee | n9nes, mostly it has to do with permissions on the cifs server... |
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| 18:25.02 | n9nes | peedabee yeah thinking so too, the credentials (a domain user) are in a separate file and this user is able to write if I touch test.cfg with sudo, but not without |
| 18:27.17 | peedabee | n9nes, https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/68079/mount-cifs-network-drive-write-permissions-and-chown |
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| 18:28.06 | n9nes | I've read this 10 minutes ago. unfortunately its not working with uid and gid either |
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| 18:31.25 | peedabee | n9nes, You could try setting the log level of the daemon on the server to debug |
| 18:32.15 | rander2 | !vnc setup |
| 18:32.15 | dpkg | [vnc setup] Install <x11vnc> on the remote host and a VNC viewer (e.g. xtightvncviewer, xvnc4viewer) on the local computer; Locally: ssh -C -L 5900:localhost:5900 remotehost; Remote run: x11vnc -display :0; Locally: vncviewer localhost; that's it! VNC securely tunneled over SSH! |
| 18:32.28 | rander2 | the screen is black |
| 18:32.32 | n9nes | peedabee yes theoretically - but the server is a synology nas and I guess its not possible |
| 18:33.39 | peedabee | n9nes, https://www.synology.com/en-global/knowledgebase/DSM/help/DSM/AdminCenter/system_terminal |
| 18:34.42 | n9nes | peedabee thank you! |
| 18:34.57 | peedabee | n9nes, np |
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| 18:41.53 | rander2 | channel 3: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed |
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| 18:46.36 | n9nes | peedabee: holy! shouldnt "mount -o" remount the share with the present content of fstab? it worked after reboot the box, but not with mount -o |
| 18:46.40 | n9nes | thanks anyway :) |
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| 18:58.26 | choice | What is the best way to install software without having it pollute my main installation? Docker? VirtualBox? |
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| 19:56.26 | jolt | choice: I use Docker more and more for that, then I don't have to fiddle with dependencies as well |
| 19:57.04 | choice | jolt: How do you install something in Docker? |
| 19:57.18 | jolt | choice: but one doesn't eliminate the other |
| 19:57.48 | choice | jolt: What do you mean? |
| 19:57.50 | jolt | choice: well, most of the time somebody have already created everything you need and put it on hub.docker.com, or you can create your own dockerfile |
| 19:58.13 | jolt | choice: That some things might fit better for docker, but if it's graphic stuff, then a VM might be better |
| 19:58.34 | jolt | choice: there is also chroot, lvm and whatnot |
| 19:58.43 | choice | Hmm... |
| 19:58.48 | jolt | eh s/lvm/lxc/ |
| 19:58.51 | choice | I was thinking about installing Android Studio. |
| 19:58.56 | choice | It's an insane 900MB. |
| 19:59.07 | choice | And I don't want to pollute my Debian installation with that. |
| 19:59.13 | choice | So I thought to try it in Docker. |
| 20:00.49 | jolt | choice: There is also snap-applications, where everything is already packaged |
| 20:01.10 | jolt | Haven't run it on Debian though (it's ubuntu stuff), no idea if it's portabble |
| 20:01.35 | choice | Well, I'm going to sleep now. |
| 20:01.37 | choice | Have a nice day! |
| 20:01.46 | jolt | oh, there is also snapd on debbian |
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| 20:22.26 | annadane | can someone give me a kernel refresher - if i want to simply generically use the kernel from backports i'd just need linux-image-amd64, correct? |
| 20:22.37 | annadane | headers is for building your own modules IIRC |
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| 20:26.34 | annadane | ok, or i can read the wiki and not look like a total idiot |
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| 20:56.55 | WallacePip | hello, I am about to install python 3.6. and added testing repository as advised on the web. but when I typed "sudo apt-get -t testing install python3.6", it shows a whole lot of desktop packages to upgrade..all I need is python 3.6., how can I install it without a blunder= |
| 20:56.57 | WallacePip | ? |
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| 20:59.53 | WallacePip | ok, I think I've just prevented the undesirable by not proceeding with the install |
| 21:02.23 | WallacePip | I removed back the testing repo from sources, but I'd run this command after having added that, though; "echo 'APT::Default-Release "stable";' | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00local" do I need to do anything more to revert to the original state before adding the repo? |
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| 21:58.47 | jim | I heard this weird rumor... is debian gonna adopt snaps as their new package format? |
| 22:00.16 | bites | they would rather switch to rpm. |
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| 22:18.26 | at0m | !alien |
| 22:18.26 | dpkg | i heard alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to Debian, Debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc. http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/, or no longer maintained |
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| 23:25.28 | usney | hi guys |
| 23:26.10 | usney | what are some sed grep redirection examples to copy and paste text in text mode only? |
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| 23:42.03 | [Awaxx] | You are wrong my friend |
| 23:42.26 | [Awaxx] | both tools aren't done to copy... |
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| 23:44.21 | usney | someone told me that you could use them for such things [Awaxx] |
| 23:44.25 | usney | maybe it was you? |
| 23:44.41 | [Awaxx] | usney: certainly not |
| 23:45.05 | [Awaxx] | take a moment reading man pages from these tools |
| 23:45.23 | [Awaxx] | it's not done to copy things... |
| 23:47.35 | usney | well I'll use the grep tool to see who it was in debian that said he used it for that purpose |
| 23:47.43 | usney | on the logs |
| 23:48.06 | [Awaxx] | from what I see you are misunderstanding the basic... you need reading & some practice to fix that. |
| 23:49.34 | usney | I already learned how to copy and paste with the screen tool [Awaxx] |
| 23:49.43 | [Awaxx] | you can extract a portion of text from a standard input file/stdin... then you can ofc redirect the result to store this... but it's no more grep or sed. |
| 23:49.59 | usney | what are some other ways to copy and paste in the command line interface? |
| 23:50.14 | [Awaxx] | you need to learn about bash redirection. |
| 23:50.28 | [Awaxx] | for the storage process... |
| 23:50.43 | usney | I learned a little |
| 23:50.57 | usney | >> > < << ..etc. |
| 23:51.08 | [Awaxx] | you are in a linux console or an Xterminal? |
| 23:51.37 | usney | nope I am using a graphical environment but I do have a computer without a GUI |
| 23:51.59 | usney | I am learning the basics so far |
| 23:52.17 | usney | I remembered how to mount partitions |
| 23:52.36 | usney | since it doesn't seem to do this automatically in the CLI |
| 23:52.50 | usney | also learned how to setup wifi from the CLI |
| 23:52.56 | [Awaxx] | it can do this... |
| 23:53.05 | [Awaxx] | you need to set it up |
| 23:53.13 | usney | yes I know but I am lazy |
| 23:53.17 | [Awaxx] | :/ |
| 23:53.23 | [Awaxx] | it's life |
| 23:53.23 | usney | easier to just manually mount them |
| 23:53.33 | usney | they you don't forget |
| 23:53.40 | [Awaxx] | yea on purpose it's okay too... |
| 23:54.07 | [Awaxx] | what's the problem with copy/paste? |
| 23:54.26 | [Awaxx] | copy/paste from mouse? or from programming? |
| 23:54.36 | usney | I was just curious how the fellow did it with grep and redirection |
| 23:54.52 | usney | I'll have to check my logs to ask him/her |
| 23:55.34 | [Awaxx] | grep "^(.*)$" > grep-report.txt |
| 23:56.04 | [Awaxx] | use >> to append... |
| 23:56.34 | [Awaxx] | grep has missing file input... |
| 23:56.52 | [Awaxx] | grep "^(.*)$" mytext.txt > grep-report.txt |
| 23:57.57 | [Awaxx] | these "> and >>" are part of bash. |
| 23:58.15 | [Awaxx] | it's not grep at all... |
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| 23:59.54 | usney | what are they apart of? [Awaxx] |
