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| 03:36.09 | lis6502 | hello |
| 03:36.26 | nvz | olleh |
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| 03:36.51 | lis6502 | due to fact that some of my machines uses debian-like distros i am nfs-mounting /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 03:37.31 | lis6502 | is there a method to setting up debootstrap in such way to reuse already downloaded packages |
| 03:37.55 | lis6502 | instead of sucking gigs everytime i am setting new debian image off net? |
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| 03:38.05 | nvz | well, there may be but if you're concern is the bandwidth you probably want an apt caching proxy |
| 03:38.35 | nvz | !apt-cacher |
| 03:38.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt-cacher is a caching proxy designed specifically for use by <apt>. http://www.nick-andrew.net/projects/apt-cacher/ See also <apt-cacher-ng>, <approx>, <aptly>. |
| 03:38.44 | nvz | !apt-cacher-ng |
| 03:38.44 | dpkg | apt-cacher-ng is a replacement for <apt-proxy>. Its usage is documented at http://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~bloch/acng/ and alternatives comprise <apt-cacher>, <squid deb caching> and <approx>. |
| 03:38.46 | lis6502 | nvz: my concern is not to perform useless operations ^_^ |
| 03:39.21 | nvz | yes well an apt cacher is what you use as your repo/mirror and if it doesnt have the package requested it fetches it, if it does, it returns it |
| 03:39.34 | nvz | all works over http typically with no need for nfs |
| 03:40.20 | lis6502 | nvz: my "solution" with shared apt/archive directory has this advantage that once installed packages does not reside in local cache |
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| 03:41.00 | lis6502 | i am aware that apt may have config to not cache those files |
| 03:41.01 | nvz | lis6502: we have new commands that clean up after themselves |
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| 03:41.18 | nvz | and the advantage to the proxy is it wont go stale |
| 03:41.25 | lis6502 | yes, you have many new things which makes me feel like using new distro :P |
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| 03:41.41 | nvz | and doesnt need you to configure nfs |
| 03:41.59 | themill | debootstrap --cache-dir |
| 03:42.14 | themill | (but I'd just use apt-cacher-ng) |
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| 03:42.49 | lis6502 | themill: sounds like that i was looking for. going to check, brb |
| 03:43.09 | nvz | yeah I said the same thing but I wasnt gonna go rtfm for them when I could argue about how a cacher was a better solution :P |
| 03:43.45 | nvz | I was fairly certain debootstrap had the option I just didnt remember it and they could go rtfm same as me |
| 03:44.23 | lis6502 | yea, the "better solution" option again, arrgh |
| 03:44.48 | lis6502 | "hey /b/, how to get to X using bus?" "take an bicycle, it's faster anyway" |
| 03:44.49 | lis6502 | -_- |
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| 03:44.59 | nvz | the cache feature of debootstrap was more meant for subsequent runs typically where one failed or such |
| 03:45.08 | lis6502 | </complains> |
| 03:45.39 | nvz | yeah well forums, manuals, etc, are better for direct questions.. you use irc for advice.. |
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| 03:46.28 | lis6502 | mhm, forums :D. i've found forums support more like "is device plugged to power?"-like support |
| 03:46.42 | lis6502 | and i am used to irc, hence this way of asking ;) |
| 03:47.31 | lis6502 | themill: your advice rocks :D new debian testing in under 3 mins using only 200kb of network mirror! |
| 03:47.34 | lis6502 | yay |
| 03:48.07 | themill | likewise for apt-cacher-ng but that then works for all the later package installations too |
| 03:49.34 | lis6502 | themill: nfs archvie can be also reused |
| 03:50.26 | lis6502 | imho caching apt requests is just easier way to acheive same goal as i am having with nfs mirror |
| 03:50.44 | lis6502 | and for sure more debian-compliant :) |
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| 03:51.39 | themill | Make sure you disable apt automatically cleaning the cache. |
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| 03:53.53 | lis6502 | i haven't seen apt which keeps its cache clean by default. but testing different distros showed me how debian can be (mis)configured by default ;) |
| 03:55.35 | nvz | apt != apt-get |
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| 03:59.04 | tp43_ | hi, I bought android tv box. I want to share my linux box mouse k/b with android. Any idea? I looked for synergy, it is in debian archives, but not google play. In google play I found Deskdock, but now I am pausing at point where to install some jar for Deskdock server on my linux box. Any advice, anyone else using android with debian? |
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| 04:01.10 | mikhael_k33hl | Is it still possible to be an official mirror for debian? |
| 04:03.03 | nvz | mikhael_k33hl: https://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror |
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| 04:04.39 | nvz | mikhael_k33hl: if you follow the requirements and sumbit to https://www.debian.org/mirror/submit |
| 04:06.12 | mikhael_k33hl | nvz: thanks, I'll give it a try, btw, what's with the '::' in the rsync server's name? like mirror.0x.sg::debian-cd/ I'd have to edit it to point to rsync://mirror.0x.sg/debian-cd/ |
| 04:08.52 | mikhael_k33hl | nvz: Also, for debian-iso, I need to manually rsync it right? instead of using the ftpsync script |
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| 04:14.54 | nvz | mikhael_k33hl: I'm not sure which is why I pointed you to the official documentation. Keep in mind for official stuff, this is no longer an official support community. we are a larger support community and a good place for tech support, but for this more official stuff you are better off going to irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net) and finding the appropriate channel there |
| 04:15.29 | nvz | you are more likely to find actual DMs and DDs on the official network, people who know first hand about that stuff |
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| 04:17.57 | sadsagfjg | Hi |
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| 04:21.08 | sadsagfjg | Do you know a app like terminal for android because i wanna practice |
| 04:21.12 | sadsagfjg | ? |
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| 04:26.21 | nvz | should practice staying on irc more than 4 minutes first :P |
| 04:26.35 | nvz | and perhaps searching the app store cause there are lots of terminals for android |
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| 04:50.38 | aloo_shu | nvz: true about the 1 min test |
| 04:51.19 | nvz | yeah it was kinda OT anyhow but w/e |
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| 04:51.34 | aloo_shu | but there's f-droid as a purely foss repo of android |
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| 04:52.33 | nvz | yeah I'm still not having any luck getting a custom system on the S7 idk why seems samsung supports 3rd party installs |
| 04:52.37 | aloo_shu | and termux is worth a mention. has dpkg, afaik, and in any case, many of the accustomed tools |
| 04:52.53 | nvz | I cant believe people are still crippling android devices |
| 04:53.28 | nvz | if I wanted just a crippled system I'd be using IOS their hw is usually more rugged and it performs better and is simpler to use |
| 04:53.45 | nvz | people use android for the customizing |
| 04:53.57 | aloo_shu | about the same |
| 04:54.02 | nvz | larger feature set and when you're locked out its just sad |
| 04:55.34 | aloo_shu | hw may be more rugged - hard to compare a 1 mfcturer os to an open one there |
| 04:56.03 | nvz | yeah but in my limited experience apple hw was less powerful but their OS still performed better than android on better hw |
| 04:56.18 | nvz | I havent used IOS since my 2nd and 3rd gen itouches |
| 04:56.35 | nvz | and the multitasking on them was smooth as silk at the time when android was sluggish |
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| 04:56.48 | aloo_shu | only had 1gen itouch |
| 04:57.08 | nvz | I'd like to get another one.. it got me interested in gaming again.. was hell of a gaming platform |
| 04:57.17 | nvz | I even liked Madden on it and I hate Madden |
| 04:58.19 | nvz | I just wish they werent so ignorant about the hacking.. cause they're not real linux friendly unless hacked |
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| 04:58.46 | nvz | I dont like having to use windows/mac and itunes on pc to do things |
| 04:59.19 | nvz | itunes for pc is perhaps the worse piece of software I ever seen |
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| 05:00.42 | aloo_shu | don't need itunes, the libs are enough |
| 05:01.23 | nvz | id put cydia on mine and installed stuff that let me wirelessly sync with linux over wifi but was somewhat limited still |
| 05:02.03 | nvz | every so often you'd need to update IOS to keep up to date with an app/game and they'd try lock you back out |
| 05:02.20 | aloo_shu | and linux usually is keeping up well and offering open idevice access libs |
| 05:02.37 | aloo_shu | update is often a trap |
| 05:03.20 | wr | any way i can find and remove unneeded packages in my debian? |
| 05:03.33 | nvz | wr: apt autoremove |
| 05:03.45 | nvz | wr: beyond that there is deborphan |
| 05:03.50 | wr | nvz besides that |
| 05:04.12 | nvz | wr: beyond autoremove and deborphan only you can prevent forest fires.. |
| 05:04.59 | nvz | wr: use an interactive package manager like synaptic or aptitude and browse your installed packages figure out what you need and what you dont |
| 05:05.15 | nvz | if removing something you dont need wants to remove something important then you probably need it :P |
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| 05:05.40 | nvz | or at least need an alternative or equiv |
| 05:05.48 | aloo_shu | wr it hinges on your definition of 'unneeded' |
| 05:06.03 | nvz | yes that too |
| 05:07.29 | aloo_shu | wr maybe you don't need a desktop environment, and are fine with cli-tools - but how can debian know? |
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| 05:09.33 | jim | hi, what's the url for the stretch release notes? |
| 05:09.55 | wr | aloo_shu, was trying to do a clean on my system and all residual stuff can have |
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| 05:11.06 | wr | aloo_shu, specially packages i dont use |
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| 05:13.53 | aloo_shu | you can spend an hour then and now just browsing descriptions (and optionally dependecies & dependants) of installed pkgs, eg w/ synaptic - that gives you an overview. just for residual, apt autoremove was fine. for what you don't use, you have to find out - debian offers a complete environment, find out what the pkgs do to decide what to keep |
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| 05:15.30 | nvz | wr: only you would know what you use and what you dont.. what are your concerns? space? |
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| 05:16.16 | wr | nvz, yes space |
| 05:22.20 | nvz | wr: synaptic can easily sort installed packages by space used |
| 05:22.29 | aloo_shu | how much you have, how much you need, what for, and how do you use debian, anyway? gaming? programming? |
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| 05:23.22 | wr | aloo_shu, just casual usage, no gaming |
| 05:24.46 | aloo_shu | just clearing browser cache is often more space than several applications |
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| 05:26.56 | nvz | gaming data, translation files, etc are typically what take up a lot of space |
| 05:27.16 | nvz | programs themselves are rather small |
| 05:27.34 | nvz | ,i firefox-esr |
| 05:27.35 | judd | Package firefox-esr (web, optional) in stretch/amd64: Mozilla Firefox web browser - Extended Support Release (ESR). Version: 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; Size: 45380.3k; Installed: 111583k; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/firefox-esr |
| 05:27.56 | nvz | thats a large program, takes up about 112MB |
| 05:28.21 | aloo_shu | but if you're really very space-limited, there are distros that specialise on being small. dammn small linux, puppy, - and debian dog is implenting the same idea while staying totally debian pkg based&compatible |
| 05:29.14 | aloo_shu | what was the name of that graphical disk usage analyzer? |
| 05:31.31 | nvz | graphical disk usage analyzer :P |
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| 05:31.53 | nvz | there are a lot of them.. |
| 05:32.16 | aloo_shu | wr disk usage analyzer, aka baobab |
| 05:32.16 | aloo_shu | ,i baobab |
| 05:32.18 | judd | Package baobab (gnome, optional) in stretch/amd64: GNOME disk usage analyzer. Version: 3.22.1-1; Size: 371.5k; Installed: 1719k; Homepage: https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Baobab; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/baobab |
| 05:32.36 | nvz | but typically your packages are not taking up much space overall my top 25 there are probably only a few I could swap or do without |
| 05:33.05 | nvz | like swapping libreoffice for gnumeric/abiword or something would free up a couple hundred meg maybe |
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| 05:34.31 | EdePopede | GdMap is nice. follows Sequiaview with its cushion sheets. |
| 05:36.23 | aloo_shu | either can be a good way to get to know your system better |
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| 05:41.45 | aloo_shu | I think baobab has what you're calling cushion sheet view, and alternatively a concentric layers view (default). In both cases, you have a fs tree pane, and clicks on files/folders correspond to graphical element highlight, & viceversa |
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| 05:51.16 | aloo_shu | hm, what is using the apt-xapian-index ? |
| 05:51.49 | aloo_shu | man -k xapian just reveals the update cmd |
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| 06:01.20 | EdePopede | a default install even includes xdu. package info has no homepage and the address linked to from xdiskusage on sf looks fishy. |
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| 06:14.49 | arahael | What's the best - and simplest -w ay to set up an encrypted dns service for the local network? Local network requests can be unencrypted, but I'd like DNS trafic that goes through the ISP to be encrypted. |
| 06:15.06 | arahael | I see that there is 'DNSCrypt" for linux, is that the goto solution these days? |
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| 06:22.21 | COOurb | VPN? |
| 06:22.42 | arahael | I don't want to VPN everything, it's slow enough. |
| 06:22.49 | COOurb | also, I finally found where system tray is in xfce |
| 06:23.28 | COOurb | it doesn't displayed in autorun, it should be run manually |
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| 06:24.06 | COOurb | arahael: so only DNS-responds should be encrypted? |
| 06:24.22 | COOurb | or both request and response? |
| 06:24.38 | arahael | COOurb: Both requests and responses? |
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| 06:31.42 | arahael | COOurb: I mean, isn't that implied? |
| 06:32.23 | COOurb | All I've found is DNScrypt |
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| 06:32.43 | rezzo123 | hi |
| 06:32.49 | COOurb | hi |
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| 06:32.55 | rezzo123 | any irc expert here |
| 06:33.11 | COOurb | what you need? |
| 06:33.19 | rezzo123 | is it possible to send register command from client side |
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| 06:33.54 | COOurb | heh, sorry, dunno what it is |
| 06:33.55 | arahael | COOurb: Yeah, it appears that's the defacto solution - looks simple enough, they provide a 'dns proxy' tool. |
| 06:34.29 | rezzo123 | i say client.say("nickserv","register pass mail") |
| 06:34.42 | rezzo123 | possible? |
| 06:34.53 | arahael | rezzo123: Yes, it's possible. |
| 06:35.13 | rezzo123 | arahael plz help me |
| 06:35.15 | arahael | rezzo123: Infact, it should be easy. I would encourage you to use SASL, though. |
| 06:35.33 | rezzo123 | arahael r u plz help me |
| 06:35.42 | COOurb | arahael: well, for services that don't know about 'new' secured style of requests, it's works |
| 06:36.06 | arahael | COOurb: Awesome. |
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| 06:36.13 | COOurb | arahael: I think it works like simple DNS, but on local machine |
| 06:36.30 | arahael | I'm thinking of setting it up on my local server. The local LAN is 'trusted', anyway. |
| 06:36.41 | rezzo123 | arahael and COOurb how to do this |
| 06:36.56 | COOurb | I never used it, just something on mind |
| 06:37.00 | arahael | rezzo123: We've given as much help as possible given the information you've provided. |
| 06:37.18 | COOurb | rezzo123: ask on #freenode |
| 06:37.19 | jhebden | is back from [afk] - 426510h:37m:11s away |
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| 06:37.43 | rezzo123 | its not work when i do that |
| 06:38.28 | COOurb | arahael: I think you can assign local DNS with such 'proxy' and then other computers can use it like regular DNS |
| 06:38.34 | rezzo123 | client.say("nickserv", register pass mail") not go to server |
| 06:38.38 | arahael | COOurb: I intend to do do just that. |
| 06:38.49 | arahael | rezzo123: You have a missing ". |
| 06:38.55 | rezzo123 | not showing anything |
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| 06:39.15 | rezzo123 | client.say("nickserv", "register pass mail") not go to server |
| 06:39.38 | rezzo123 | not fired at server |
| 06:39.39 | COOurb | rezzo123: and what about raw? I mean, like you send string for register in GUI client |
| 06:40.15 | rezzo123 | ya |
| 06:40.16 | COOurb | Also, Nickserv. Dunno if it matter |
| 06:41.32 | COOurb | arahael: does it works? |
| 06:41.40 | arahael | COOurb: I'll find out later when I do it. :) |
| 06:41.49 | rezzo123 | don't understad coourb |
| 06:41.50 | arahael | COOurb: Just idly wondering, whilst I'm at work. |
| 06:42.12 | rezzo123 | client.say("nickserv", "register pass mail") where is my mistake |
| 06:42.51 | COOurb | rezzo123: can you send raw string , not like client.say('nickname', 'hello'), but client.sendraw('msg nickname hello') |
| 06:43.48 | COOurb | rezzo123: got it? |
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| 06:44.11 | COOurb | rezzo123: it was /msg rezzo123 hello |
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| 06:46.10 | rezzo123_ | any one help me |
| 06:46.24 | arahael | COOurb: You're assuming that client.sendraw is defined in whatever language and library rezzo123_ is using. |
| 06:46.55 | rezzo123_ | node.js |
| 06:47.15 | COOurb | well, it should be defined |
| 06:47.28 | COOurb | it cand be client.raw('msg') |
| 06:47.56 | rezzo123_ | register command work |
| 06:47.57 | rezzo123_ | ? |
| 06:48.13 | rezzo123_ | i just register from direct there not here |
| 06:48.33 | COOurb | what? |
| 06:49.26 | COOurb | so, what did you use? |
| 06:50.03 | COOurb | also, it's debian channel |
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| 07:32.18 | jaggz | what exactly is stretch-backports anyway? |
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| 07:32.59 | themill | !stretch-backports |
| 07:32.59 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Buster (Debian 10) but recompiled for use with Stretch (Debian 9) can be found in the stretch-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>. |
| 07:33.14 | jaggz | When looking at my wine version (I'm at debian 9.5), wine is at 1.8.7-2, but 3.0.1-2~bpo9+1 is available |
| 07:33.20 | jaggz | ah, thanks |
| 07:33.56 | jaggz | so, looking at an install with -t stretch-backports shows udev, systemd, libpam, etc. would be updated... |
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| 07:34.03 | jaggz | that's a bit concerning so... |
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| 07:35.51 | themill | I think we need to see the command and the full output in a pastebin |
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| 07:36.01 | themill | the output of "apt-cache policy" would also be instructive |
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| 07:37.58 | jaggz | themill, sorry two pastes: First is from install -t stretch-backports wine: http://paste.debian.net/1039609/ |
| 07:38.07 | jaggz | And here's policy: http://paste.debian.net/1039608/ |
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| 07:40.57 | themill | jaggz: does "apt-get -f install" want to do anything? Have you tried "apt" rather than aptitude? |
| 07:42.12 | jaggz | themill, says 15 to upgrade, everything else is 0 |
| 07:42.17 | jaggz | no I didn't try apt |
| 07:42.30 | jaggz | (wasn't sure how to do the -t with apt) |
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| 07:43.43 | jaggz | here's the apt output: http://paste.debian.net/1039610/ |
| 07:43.53 | jaggz | using the same -t option |
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| 07:47.01 | themill | Not having the command that is being run is not helping btw |
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| 07:47.34 | jaggz | themill, sowry :) |
| 07:47.51 | jaggz | apt install -t stretch-backports wine |
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| 07:50.55 | themill | I assume you already have libudev1 and libudev1:i386 installed? |
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| 07:51.51 | jaggz | themill, libudev1 is 232-25+deb9u4 (237-3~bpo9+1 available). :i386 is not installed |
| 07:52.16 | themill | try installing libudev1:i386 from stretch (not stretch-backports) first |
| 07:53.08 | jaggz | don't worry about it.. I don't want to mess with my system much for this. Was just trying to configure this mouse's buttons and stupid lights without taking it "home" to my win10 machine |
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| 07:53.43 | jaggz | themill, that doesn't look so bad now -- it wants to install a ton of :i386 packages, but isn't complaining about the others |
| 07:54.45 | themill | yes, wine will want lots of i386 packages that dupe what you've probably already got from amd64 |
| 07:56.07 | jaggz | accidentally runs winecfg-stable as root |
| 07:56.08 | jaggz | heh |
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| 08:02.52 | spacedust | hi, i updated some packages lately and some functionality is failing now in kde, im not runing debian but clone ... but the question would still apply , how to reinstall a package ? id like to reinstall linux-libc-dev , i suspect that has something to do with the failing, but removing it would remove a lot of packages |
| 08:03.36 | at0m | spacedust: it's all kde. running testing? #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 08:04.08 | at0m | spacedust: so nothing to do with linux-libc-dev |
| 08:04.22 | spacedust | at0m: i think its using debian testing yes, so kde failed thats the problem ? |
| 08:04.35 | spacedust | at0m: thanks, its kali rolling btw, but nobody answers over at kali :) |
| 08:05.44 | spacedust | basically my systray is gone, alt+f2 doesnt work, search in menu doesnt work, so i suspected some core functionality broke and that has an effect on the other elements |
| 08:06.14 | jaggz | themill, yeah, I'm gonna give up. i can't seem to find my old win7 image for vbox (.vdi I guess), and wine doesn't let me access the usb devices directly apparently |
| 08:06.43 | at0m | spacedust: then #kali, cos that is not debian. |
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| 08:08.22 | spacedust | at0m: i see, thanks again |
| 08:10.23 | jaggz | themill, ooh, ms provides 90-day-expiration vm images https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/tools/vms/ |
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| 08:11.19 | jaggz | n/m.. 4.9gb.. forget it.. mouse will go to my win10 machine. this isn't worth it. other stuff to do. :) |
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| 08:17.05 | shambat | how do the versions of apache2 work on debian? I see that the stable version in strech is "2.4.25-3+deb9u5", but according to apache's own security page, version 2.4.25 contains vulnerabilities (https://httpd.apache.org/security/vulnerabilities_24.html) .. does the "-3+deb9u5" include security fixes from newer versions? |
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| 08:19.22 | themill | yes, check the package changelog |
| 08:19.37 | bites | shambat: compare to https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/apache2 |
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| 08:21.26 | shambat | bites, themill : thanks! |
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| 08:36.18 | thms | I've got a LXC container refusing to start: "A start job is running for LSB: Configure the firewall at boot time (1min 8s / no limit)". How can I apply a limit and find the related systemd unit ? |
| 08:39.33 | jelly | thms: the "LSB" at the beginning says it's a unit generated from a sysvinit script. Grep for "Configure the firewall at boot time" in /etc/init.d/* |
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| 08:46.35 | spacedust | at0m: it is debian testing :) |
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| 09:25.02 | at0m | spacedust: #debian-next on irc.oftc.net then |
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| 09:49.06 | spacedust | at0m: thanks |
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| 10:28.15 | _ymir | How do I add the unstable repo but only download a single app from it and prevent `apt upgrade` from trying to upgrade EVERYTHING to unstable? |
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| 10:31.36 | uknth | @_ymir .. https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 10:32.07 | _ymir | uknth: ah .. I see |
| 10:32.14 | _ymir | uknth: I just want wireguard |
| 10:32.39 | uknth | Building from source should be fine |
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| 10:33.06 | _ymir | hm |
| 10:33.23 | _ymir | Actually I'll switch entirely to testing |
| 10:33.25 | _ymir | should be a fun time |
| 10:33.32 | uknth | :) |
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| 10:34.21 | uknth | Have you tried Backports? Isn't `wireguard` there either? |
| 10:35.15 | _ymir | uknth: I don't believe so |
| 10:35.41 | uknth | Yeah, it isn't. Its only available on sid (unstable). |
| 10:39.31 | _ymir | updated! now to reboot and watch everything break. Wish me luck |
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| 10:43.34 | _ymir | only some things broke! nice |
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| 10:45.09 | _ymir | aloha |
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| 11:35.21 | yctn | hello i have 2 ip adresses as loopback. is there a way to force the machine use the default gw route to connect to that ip?(instead of just connect to localhost) |
| 11:37.03 | jelly | yctn: connect to what, from where? |
| 11:38.46 | yctn | jelly single machine. with one default gw and 2 ip's on lo:0 and lo:1 when i connect to the ip on lo:1 the traffic default leave the machine. and thats an issue i prefer to just use the default gw |
| 11:38.46 | Kelsar | yctn: no, since they won't be reachable from there |
| 11:39.04 | yctn | Kelsar i know. but i would like to do that anyway |
| 11:39.14 | Kelsar | yctn: you can't do that, because it won't work |
| 11:39.56 | Kelsar | lo is not connected to your network, also any proper configured router won't rout 127 addresses |
| 11:40.22 | Kelsar | yctn: what is your real problem? |
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| 11:41.58 | Fox | yctn: if it's not possible you can't "do that anyway" |
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| 11:42.52 | yctn | Fox its not possible and and wont reachable are not the same thing. |
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| 11:44.26 | yctn | Kelsar is not a 127.0.0.1 address. this machine is behind a load balacer. traffic comes in on a VIP then reaches the machine. the vip is added on the machine as loopback. all works fine. untill the machine want to connect to the VIP to resend some traffic. it cant leave the machine cause the VIP is on loopback so i would like to force that any outgoing connection for that ip would use the |
| 11:44.26 | yctn | default gateway |
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| 11:56.49 | Fox | yctn: are you using directrouting load balancing ? |
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| 11:57.28 | yctn | Fox yes |
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| 11:59.55 | yctn | Fox and it all works great. but now i need to be able to connect to the vip(on the load balacer) and i never needed that before. so the machine should respond on that ip. but outgoing connectiong should go out on a different interface |
| 12:00.30 | Fox | that should work https://serverfault.com/questions/224747/linux-ip-route-matching-the-source-ip |
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| 12:02.51 | Fox | been a long time since I didn't use direct routing |
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| 12:04.47 | yctn | local 10.10.10.10 dev lo src 10.10.10.10 i think this is the problem maby i should add a route? like ip route add 10.10.10.10 dev eth0 |
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| 12:12.45 | Fox | you should use something like "ip rule add from 10.10.10.10 table direct" and "ip route add default via <therouteyouwant> dev <yourdev> table direct" |
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| 12:17.13 | ws2k3 | Fox Error: argument "direct" is wrong: invalid table ID i got that from the first command |
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| 12:18.39 | Fox | maybe "direct" cant' be used, try with whatever name will suit you maybe |
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| 12:19.41 | ws2k3 | Fox any words i entered it gave an error on. but on '1234' it worked fine |
| 12:21.32 | Fox | can you show the content of /etc/iproute2/rt_tables ? |
| 12:23.25 | ws2k3 | Fox so that would be 'ip rule add from 10.10.10.10 table 1234' and then 'ip route add default via 10.10.10.10 dev eth0 table 1234' |
| 12:24.09 | Fox | yes that should be the right way |
| 12:25.06 | ws2k3 | Fox https://pastebin.com/XM0EiURR |
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| 12:25.25 | ws2k3 | Fox anyway to verify if it worked? |
| 12:25.47 | ws2k3 | ip route get 10.10.10.10 still shows dev lo |
| 12:26.35 | Fox | of course you're looking for the route to 10.10.10.10, not the route from 10.10.10.10 |
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| 12:29.53 | Fox | what does 'ip r s' say ? |
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| 12:34.12 | Fox | ws2k3: remember that with direct routing you might need to play with ARP on the realservers |
| 12:35.28 | ws2k3 | fox yeah i know i have arp disable for that interfaces |
| 12:35.48 | Fox | k |
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| 12:36.01 | ws2k3 | Fox ifconfig lo:1 10.10.10.10 netmask 255.255.255.255 -arp |
| 12:36.11 | ws2k3 | Fox thats how i add them |
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| 12:37.19 | Fox | I used to do it that way https://paste.debian.net/1039641/ |
| 12:37.57 | ws2k3 | i ran ip r s but it shows nothing of what we just entered |
| 12:38.29 | Fox | hell |
| 12:38.55 | Fox | and I have job to do, can't help much more until tomorrow |
| 12:39.17 | ws2k3 | Fox and i already have that in my rc.local what you just posted. np thanks for ur time |
| 12:39.47 | Fox | k, np, you're welcom |
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| 12:48.45 | ZetFury | Question: I'm trying to get nvidia-drivers to work on my new debian 9.5 installation. I did nvidia-detect and it told me to install nvidia-drivers which i did, but I get no desktop on reboot, just shell |
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| 12:48.56 | ZetFury | been googling arond but can't find any solution |
| 12:49.27 | ZetFury | anyone know what could be wrong? i got a gtx 1080 |
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| 12:53.12 | mpo | Good afternoon, Debianisti. Do any of you have more information on the process of internationalisation (i18n). I've read that it's "very difficult". Now I'm wondering what i18n actually means. I'm asking since I am interested in translating, and it seems to be necessary that the packages be i18n'ed before a translation can occur. At least, that is what I have gathered from this page: https://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po/de_DE#i18n |
| 12:54.52 | ksk | mpo: I dont relly know, but I always sticked to english outputs because of translations of questionable quality: "Kein Weltraum links vom Gerät" ( No space left on device ) - that one might be an urban myth though |
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| 12:57.14 | ZetFury | Solved it, need the command: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 13:13.55 | empty_string | mpo: hi, certainly not authoritative on this but I may be able to help. someone who's able to change source code needs to set up the package so that it gets its strings from a translations file (that's the "PO file" referenced on the wiki page you linked) instead of having them hardcoded. probably this is said to be "very difficult" just because it requires source code changes, and if there are no |
| 13:13.56 | empty_string | translatable strings / no i18n infrastructure already in the code, that has to be written too |
| 13:14.53 | empty_string | usually this is done by integrating gettext (a gnu package) or something similar that can read .po files, and modifying the build system appropriately. this is where my knowledge gets very fuzzy and I can't really speak to how it works beyond that |
| 13:14.56 | empty_string | hopefully that was at least kinda what you were looking for |
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| 13:20.31 | mpo | empty_string: That was helpful, indeed. Bit by bit, this whole thing is starting to make sense. :) So, the result of internationalisation is the PO file, which is then translated. I don't think, I'll need to know more about i18n than that. Thank you very much. |
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| 13:22.24 | empty_string | yep! -- whatever changes you make to the build system (I think it involves xgettext and msginit?) get you an (empty) PO file in the target language that you can then put translated strings in |
| 13:22.40 | empty_string | glad that was helpful :) good luck with your translations! |
| 13:22.51 | mpo | Thanks :) |
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| 13:36.32 | Moussa | what would make 2 linux boxes slow their transfer speed to 15MB/s? 15m cable cat5e with Gbit switch in the middle |
| 13:37.05 | petn-randall | Moussa: Slow transfer of what? How are you transfering it? |
| 13:37.21 | Moussa | sftp |
| 13:37.31 | Moussa | direct link |
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| 13:37.58 | petn-randall | Moussa: Direct link, or a switch in between? |
| 13:37.59 | Moussa | the files about 500MB each zip fornat |
| 13:38.18 | Moussa | switch in between |
| 13:38.21 | petn-randall | ok |
| 13:38.42 | petn-randall | Moussa: I'd run 'atop' on both sides. Maybe one has an old CPU that can't do encryption in HW. |
| 13:39.51 | mpo | 15MB/s is FastEthernet speed. You probably have a 100Mbit device involved. |
| 13:40.29 | mpo | Or maybe not. |
| 13:40.30 | Moussa | MB not Mb |
| 13:40.54 | petn-randall | Moussa: Yes, you can also check with 'mii-tool <devicename>' on both sides how fast the Ethernet is running. |
| 13:41.11 | tarzeau_ | dmesg |grep -i ether will also normally show that |
| 13:41.17 | tarzeau_ | and changes of the link speed |
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| 13:42.15 | Moussa | ok let me have a go, i have the feeling is RAIDZ.... |
| 13:42.45 | Moussa | both links are 1000Mbpw |
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| 13:43.01 | mpo | Is a USB device involved? |
| 13:43.03 | Moussa | full duplex |
| 13:43.08 | Moussa | no |
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| 13:43.31 | Moussa | zfs poolk to zfspool |
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| 13:46.44 | mpo | How about an SD card? Are those raspberry pis? |
| 13:47.44 | petn-randall | Moussa: What about 'atop'? |
| 13:47.57 | Moussa | hehehe |
| 13:49.52 | Moussa | cant run atop on the other machine |
| 13:50.10 | Moussa | is BsD based |
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| 13:55.34 | unmy | on NetBSD and OpenBSD need tweak the network buffers to get decent speeds |
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| 13:59.25 | Moussa | petn-randall, atop confirm 1000Mbps 120Mbps transfer |
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| 14:00.21 | ov3rmind | hello great guys, attention houston i had a trouble here |
| 14:00.25 | ov3rmind | :) |
| 14:00.32 | petn-randall | Moussa: What? That makes no sense. |
| 14:00.48 | ov3rmind | if any can help my desktop not shows the right click menu |
| 14:01.03 | ov3rmind | i suspect an error on my xorg sessios |
| 14:01.15 | ov3rmind | if any can help, greatly thanks |
| 14:01.22 | petn-randall | ov3rmind: Which desktop? |
| 14:01.29 | ov3rmind | kde |
| 14:01.39 | ov3rmind | plasma |
| 14:01.42 | petn-randall | ov3rmind: And the rest of the desktop loads fine? |
| 14:01.52 | ov3rmind | works fine during most an year |
| 14:02.21 | greycat | Are you sure the mouse button works? Does it produce results in, say, an xterm window? |
| 14:02.36 | ov3rmind | yeas |
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| 14:02.40 | ov3rmind | mouse are ok |
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| 14:02.48 | ov3rmind | not is an hardware err |
| 14:03.11 | ov3rmind | i suspect any trouble on microtiik of my ISP |
| 14:03.44 | Moussa | i wonder if is a inverted mouse button for left handed?? |
| 14:03.54 | petn-randall | ov3rmind: What does you ISP have to do with your right mouse button? |
| 14:03.57 | petn-randall | *your |
| 14:04.28 | ov3rmind | i try invert mouse buttons but alt+enter can't show menu too |
| 14:04.35 | unmy | Moussa, which bsd you got on other box? |
| 14:04.42 | petn-randall | Moussa: Please show us a complete copy of the screen from 'atop'. It doesn't show any download speeds there. |
| 14:04.58 | petn-randall | Or rather network transfer speeds. |
| 14:05.28 | Moussa | ok |
| 14:05.37 | ov3rmind | my ISP maybe produce error on portmap used locally |
| 14:05.51 | greycat | Now you're just throwing random words together. |
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| 14:07.00 | Moussa | is quicker if i type the relevant info, sp 1000Mbps si 114Mbps so 945Kbps |
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| 14:07.50 | ov3rmind | inside any window the mouse works right show menus |
| 14:08.00 | ov3rmind | the trouble is o desktop only |
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| 14:09.03 | Moussa | thanks for the atop tip btw |
| 14:09.42 | petn-randall | Moussa: ... that's not the relevant info, though. |
| 14:09.53 | petn-randall | Moussa: Is there are anything shown in red? |
| 14:10.06 | petn-randall | during sftp copy, that is. |
| 14:10.06 | themill | ov3rmind: it may well be that restarting kwin (kwin --replace) or plasma-desktop (kquitapp5 plasmashell ; sleep 5 ; kdeinit5 plasmashell) helps |
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| 14:11.49 | ov3rmind | any tip or idea??? |
| 14:12.55 | petn-randall | ov3rmind: Did you read themill's last message before typing? |
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| 14:13.41 | ov3rmind | ok exuse |
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| 14:20.52 | Moussa | petn-randall, mem is in the red |
| 14:21.15 | petn-randall | Moussa: That might be your issue. |
| 14:22.42 | Moussa | 8GB not enough for RAIDZ?? |
| 14:23.29 | petn-randall | Moussa: Whatever you're running on that machine, the RAM is not enough. You'll have to look at the actual atop output (which you didn't show us yet) to know why that's a problem. |
| 14:23.56 | Moussa | ok |
| 14:25.05 | Moussa | i will have to call it i night, tomorrow is another day, only 300GB left to go i can live with that |
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| 14:26.01 | Moussa | is a home NAS server runing ZFS BTW |
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| 14:26.08 | Moussa | nothing else |
| 14:26.14 | Moussa | no desktop |
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| 14:35.29 | petn-randall | Moussa: ZFS uses a lot of RAM if your disk is huge, so that's entirely possible. |
| 14:35.52 | Moussa | i agree |
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| 15:06.12 | JohnA | dumb ? What is the "attraction" of docker, what does it do or facilitate? |
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| 15:10.01 | nvz | JohnA: its one of many things out there today that aim to make portable packages that work across distros |
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| 15:10.46 | nvz | JohnA: its a way to distribute 3rd party software that would work on anything basically |
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| 15:11.18 | FinalX | except they don't make packages |
| 15:11.25 | JohnA | nvz: Not needed for Debian then, as it is everything |
| 15:11.32 | nvz | heh |
| 15:11.51 | nvz | JohnA: I like your attitude... |
| 15:12.22 | FinalX | Docker is great for actually building Debian-packages in a clean environment every time... which was also Docker's original intention :P development/building. |
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| 15:12.42 | FinalX | Speaking of, I should set my build environment up again.. I reinstalled that box :p |
| 15:12.44 | JohnA | nvz: careful, they will be coming to take you away, he he, ha ha .... |
| 15:13.00 | nvz | yeah they already did that.. |
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| 15:23.54 | jhutchins_wk | CentOS had (might still have) a build strategy where they spun up a whole chroot environment for a build, then tore it back down again. |
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| 15:25.35 | afidegnum | is auditd enough to track activities in file and directories as well as getting info about the remote IP and port who is performing the interraction? |
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| 15:28.46 | bites | !pbuilder |
| 15:28.46 | dpkg | methinks pbuilder is "personal package builder", a package which creates a chroot for building packages which are optionally targetted at releases other than the currently installed release. It is useful for checking that a package has the correct build-dependencies as well. apt-get install pbuilder && pager /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/README.Debian. Many pbuilder users end up wishing they had used <sbuild> all along |
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| 15:38.43 | babilen | !sbuild |
| 15:38.43 | dpkg | The 'sbuild' package provides a way to build Debian packages within <chroot> environments that are managed using the <schroot> utility. Building within sbuild saves installing the build-dependencies on your machine and also compiles in a clean environment; sbuild is used on the Debian <buildd> network. See https://wiki.debian.org/sbuild |
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| 15:44.00 | afidegnum | any insihgt ? |
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| 15:48.18 | jhutchins_wk | If you're installing build dependencies in a chroot, you're still installing them. |
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| 16:18.13 | nvz | is there a gui synaptics touchpad config tool or something I can change advanced features on the fly to figure out a method that will make this thing somewhat usable without having to keep restarting X and mucking in config files and documentation? |
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| 16:21.56 | nvz | seems to be like the only tool out there was abandoned 10 years ago |
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| 16:28.53 | johnfg | hi guys |
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| 16:31.58 | nvz | sighs |
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| 16:34.46 | nvz | we keep going at this rate we'll be back to linux 1.0 on floppy disks in no time :P |
| 16:35.17 | nvz | all our documetation says to switch from synaptics to libinput when synaptics at least has a daemon, client, and documentation.. |
| 16:35.55 | nvz | we keep losing functionality and documentation we had previously and are working backwards |
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| 16:38.49 | DammitJim | is there such a thing as a clustered file server system? |
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| 16:39.57 | RoyK | DammitJim: yes, but what is it you need_ |
| 16:39.58 | RoyK | ? |
| 16:40.03 | nvz | there are distributed filesystems if thats what you mean |
| 16:40.20 | DammitJim | so, part of the processes that I support deal with a lot of "files" getting moved around |
| 16:41.02 | DammitJim | I would like to figure out a way in which I can guarantee that a place to put files is always available as well as making the files always available to be picked up by the system |
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| 16:41.16 | DammitJim | maybe the word is distributed... gotta read up on that |
| 16:41.56 | DammitJim | the basic problem is the following. Say, servers A and B processed a file that came in from a customer... at the end of the process, the file gets placed in this file server cluster |
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| 16:42.19 | DammitJim | then later on, another process comes and reads that file from the file server cluster |
| 16:42.39 | DammitJim | I want to be able to do maintenance on 1 server in the cluster and not have down time |
| 16:43.23 | DammitJim | as well as if there are issues with say the host where the 1 VM server in the cluster lives |
| 16:43.37 | DammitJim | so, yeah, the servers in this cluster are VMs |
| 16:46.22 | greycat | Why did you put "file" in scare quotes? What are they really? How big? How many? |
| 16:46.47 | DammitJim | greycat, file shouldn't have been in quotes |
| 16:47.00 | DammitJim | the file sizes very up to 400MB |
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| 16:47.16 | DammitJim | how many, I would need to figure that out, but good question |
| 16:47.32 | DammitJim | does GlusterFS sound like something I should be looking at? |
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| 16:49.01 | greycat | I was hoping they'd turn out to be orders, or something, and that the answer would be "a database". |
| 16:49.39 | DammitJim | greycat, I asked that question (to see if the information could be store in some sort of DB), but that didn't seem to be a solution |
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| 16:50.04 | greycat | Turns out they're sending you self-made videos or something ridiculously huge. |
| 16:50.12 | greycat | I don't have answers for that. |
| 16:50.28 | DammitJim | most files are a couple of KBs |
| 16:50.28 | Habbie | how about an object store? |
| 16:50.34 | Habbie | there are various open source reimplementations of amazon s3 |
| 16:50.39 | DammitJim | oh interesting... object store |
| 16:50.50 | Habbie | i hear a lot about minio these days |
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| 16:51.09 | DammitJim | I actually thought about a git store |
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| 16:54.52 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: I don't think there's anything about git that addreses your scenario. |
| 16:55.10 | DammitJim | oh ok |
| 16:55.17 | DammitJim | nevermind, then (I was googling that now) |
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| 16:55.55 | omarek | Hi, what are "default" terminal colors for the white on black theme? I'm trying to replicate them in urxvt. |
| 16:56.24 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: I think you might want to look at commercial network storage solutions. |
| 16:56.32 | omarek | They look just how I like in st terminal emulator (stterm), but for some reason urxvt defaults to black on white. |
| 16:56.52 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: Zero downtime is pretty difficult to achieve in a build-it-yourself environment. |
| 16:57.14 | omarek | Also, in terminal emulators other than st (stterm) my propmpt is not colored. Colors should come from .bashrc, but my understanding of bash and terminal colors is quite basic. |
| 16:57.26 | DammitJim | oh |
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| 16:58.17 | greycat | omarek: urxvt -rv ... tput setaf 1; echo "this is read"; tput sgr0 |
| 16:58.28 | greycat | red* |
| 16:59.01 | greycat | omarek: see also http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/053 |
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| 17:00.26 | noodlepie | What is the difference between a standard linux-image and a cloud one? And where have PREEMPT kernel support gone? Should I compile my kernel? Its for our communal pc so I'm trending toward keeping it simple, perhaps, but I miss hyperthreading and preemption. Is there an easy install for thses features? |
| 17:01.41 | omarek | greycat: What does "simulated reverse video" have to do with it? |
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| 17:02.10 | greycat | You wanted white-on-black instead of normal black-on-white. That's what -rv gives you. |
| 17:03.54 | omarek | greycat: Thank you, -rv works exactly as expected. |
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| 17:09.31 | shakeitup | found this in Htop, wonder what it is.... /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg :0 -seat seat0 -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -nolisten tcp vt7 -novtswitch |
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| 17:22.15 | petn-randall | shakeitup: It's your lightdm login manager on tty7. |
| 17:22.48 | shakeitup | petn-randall: shall lightdm/xorg be runned as root? |
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| 17:24.52 | petn-randall | shakeitup: Maybe? Check the config settings. |
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| 18:19.57 | DammitJim | I installed apcupsd on a Debian stretch machine |
| 18:20.21 | DammitJim | but I'm having problems configuring it to manage multiple UPS devices |
| 18:21.05 | DammitJim | with systemd, I don't know why it keeps looking for the config file to be /etc/apcupsd/apcupsd.conf |
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| 18:21.30 | DammitJim | do you guys know what unit I could edit for it to look at 2 conf files? (one for each UPS) |
| 18:21.32 | greycat | because that's where the daemon reads it from? what would systemd have to do with anything? |
| 18:21.34 | DammitJim | https://wiki.debian.org/apcupsd |
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| 18:22.19 | DammitJim | I think the wiki was written for /etc/init.d/apcupsd |
| 18:22.54 | DammitJim | that file is not on stretch when one installs apcupsd |
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| 18:24.22 | greycat | https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/apcupsd/apcupsd.conf.5.en.html says the file is /etc/apcupsd/apcupsd.conf |
| 18:24.48 | DammitJim | they tell you to remove apcupsd.conf and then create 2 conf files |
| 18:25.02 | greycat | https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/apcupsd/apcupsd.8.en.html also says that (harder to find), AND tells you how to specify a different one if you wish |
| 18:25.36 | DammitJim | This is what I'm struggling with: Replace the init.d apcupsd script with one with multiple UPS support |
| 18:25.54 | greycat | Well, there is no init.d script, right? |
| 18:25.59 | greycat | Or it's not used...? |
| 18:26.00 | DammitJim | correcto, senor |
| 18:26.19 | greycat | Are you trying to run two totally separate instances of the daemon? |
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| 18:26.56 | DammitJim | I'm trying to be able to look at each UPS (polling script) |
| 18:27.12 | DammitJim | and log the information to a database |
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| 18:27.49 | DammitJim | greycat, that's a good question, though... I think there was an /etc/init.d/apcupsd file |
| 18:28.10 | greycat | Of course there *was*, before systemd. |
| 18:28.15 | DammitJim | but I renamed and created a new one; however, when I start the service, it seems like it's not reading the new apcupsd file |
| 18:28.24 | DammitJim | oh |
| 18:28.30 | greycat | The only system I have apcupsd on is a *squeeze* box, so I have absolutely no idea how it works under systemd. |
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| 18:29.13 | DammitJim | and I looked at /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants and there is an apcupsd.service |
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| 18:29.34 | DammitJim | but the unit doesn't seem to point to a conf file |
| 18:29.48 | greycat | because the daemon has /etc/apcupsd/apcupsd.conf COMPILED IN |
| 18:29.56 | DammitJim | dammit! |
| 18:29.58 | DammitJim | ... jim! |
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| 18:30.08 | greycat | and the man page tells you the option to point it to a file of your choosing |
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| 18:30.48 | greycat | So, once again, are you trying to run two totally separate instances of the daemon, or what? |
| 18:32.34 | DammitJim | I'm just trying to be able to run: apcaccess status |
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| 18:32.44 | DammitJim | and pick up the information from each connected UPS |
| 18:33.05 | DammitJim | maybe there is a different way to poll information from each UPS like: BCHARGE |
| 18:33.10 | DammitJim | or TIMELEFT |
| 18:33.21 | greycat | https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/apcupsd/apcaccess.8.en.html says you can pass an option to point it at the config file |
| 18:33.35 | DammitJim | thanks greycat |
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| 18:34.01 | greycat | So, AGAIN AGAIN AGAIN AGAIN, is the way that you are trying to do this: set up two instance of the daemon, with separate config files, and run apcaccess -f ... status to get the results from each one? |
| 18:34.04 | DammitJim | I thought apcaccess needed the apcupsd service running properly |
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| 18:34.18 | greycat | ... you have no idea either. *sigh* |
| 18:34.29 | greycat | Wasting my time asking you what you want to do because YOU don't know what you want to do. |
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| 18:34.52 | DammitJim | I just want to get the load, timeleft, etc from each UPS |
| 18:34.58 | DammitJim | I don't necessarily care how it's done |
| 18:35.09 | DammitJim | I guess I assumed I needed to get it to work like in that debian wiki |
| 18:35.23 | DammitJim | but maybe I was wrong |
| 18:36.25 | greycat | but you're not able to explain in a simple English sentence what the wiki is having you do |
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| 18:37.57 | DammitJim | yeah, you are right... I was assuming the wiki was creating 2 daemons for 1 service |
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| 18:40.31 | greycat | wiki says: "For multiple UPS monitoring to work, each UPS must be uniquely identifiable and uniquely named on the monitoring computer, separate apcupsd.conf files must be used for each UPS device, and a modified apcupsd init.d script must be used to control multiple apcupsd daemon processes." |
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| 18:40.47 | greycat | So: (1) it was written for sysvinit, and you will need to adapt it for systemd |
| 18:41.04 | greycat | (2) it is ultimately going to run multiple daemons, presumably one per UPS, but who the hell knows |
| 18:42.11 | DammitJim | thanks for summarizing it so succinctly |
| 18:42.19 | DammitJim | so, bottom line is I have to adapt it for systemd |
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| 18:42.42 | DammitJim | but it sounds like I'm going to have to learn how systemd is handling it at this time |
| 18:43.05 | greycat | I would expect there is a unit file (service file) that starts one daemon. |
| 18:43.35 | greycat | If so: make up a name for a new service, and copy the unit file to /etc/systemd/system/your-unit-name.service and put the appropriate -f option in it. |
| 18:43.42 | DammitJim | yes, that's the one I found under /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants |
| 18:44.55 | greycat | The all the regular systemd magic (daemon-reload, etc.). |
| 18:44.55 | greycat | Then* |
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| 18:49.26 | DammitJim | greycat, is this kinda what I'm looking for? https://serverfault.com/questions/730239/start-n-processes-with-one-systemd-service-file |
| 18:49.51 | greycat | Did what I described *sound* like "start n processes with one systemd service file"? |
| 18:50.02 | greycat | If you want to put it all in one service file, hey, it's your computer. |
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| 18:53.52 | greycat | http://jdebp.eu./FGA/systemd-house-of-horror/two-services.html |
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| 18:55.06 | jelly | the easy way out coud be to, well, make multiple init scripts and let systemd's compat layer run each |
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| 18:55.40 | greycat | Wouldn't it be far easier just to copy the existing unit file to a new unit file, tweak the new one slightly, and let each one start up its daemon? |
| 18:55.57 | jelly | if a unit existed, sure |
| 18:56.19 | greycat | He says that he saw one. |
| 18:57.07 | jelly | thinks he thaw a grey puthycat |
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| 18:58.05 | DammitJim | interesting suggestions... |
| 18:59.41 | DammitJim | multiple units... I wonder if apcaccess can be told which service to look at |
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| 18:59.59 | greycat | That's why I was checking the apcaccess man page. It has a -f config-file option. |
| 19:00.10 | greycat | Presumably using apcaccess -f config-file will somehow point it at the right daemon. |
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| 19:01.22 | DammitJim | I will have to do more research... I didn't see anything in the config that said anything about what daemon... the daemon itself uses a specific conf file |
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| 19:02.32 | greycat | I am just making educated guesses myself, based on the man pages and common sense. |
| 19:02.50 | DammitJim | si, I appreciate it |
| 19:03.06 | DammitJim | yikes, multiple daemons by 1 service unit... true nightmares out there |
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| 19:03.58 | greycat | That's why jdebp has those pages. |
| 19:04.25 | jim | DammitJim, huh? wha??! |
| 19:04.37 | DammitJim | sorry Jim, didn't mean to say your name in vain |
| 19:05.11 | annadane | oh god. they're here at the same time. |
| 19:05.12 | jim | np, I guess I get it all the time :) |
| 19:05.41 | jim | annadane, who? who??! I'll get em! |
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| 19:06.07 | Li | really! dell e6230 touchpad is busting my balls |
| 19:06.17 | Nekojimi | Now you know how I feel :P |
| 19:06.18 | DammitJim | I hate touchpads |
| 19:06.30 | greycat | You're not supposed to operate the touchpad with your scrotum. |
| 19:06.39 | Li | no matter how i tried to fix it.. the cursor still jumping all over the screen |
| 19:06.42 | Nekojimi | I really wish that HexChat took highlight regexes |
| 19:06.56 | jim | I was in a band once, we all were named jim |
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| 19:07.21 | Nekojimi | That's weird, so was I |
| 19:07.27 | Li | greycat: with whose scrotum should I operate it then? |
| 19:07.32 | jim | really? |
| 19:07.32 | DammitJim | you can't steal that from me, Jim! |
| 19:07.41 | DammitJim | wait... did you play guitar? I play the drums |
| 19:07.55 | jim | no I play bass |
| 19:08.09 | DammitJim | oh ok |
| 19:08.15 | DammitJim | Nekojimi, do you play guitar? |
| 19:08.34 | jim | the instrumentation was bass, keys, drums |
| 19:09.27 | annadane | have i mentioned i love this channel? |
| 19:09.33 | DammitJim | oh, we didn't have anyone on keys |
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| 19:25.19 | jelly | "Jim and the Jims first gathered in an obscure internet chat room, completely by accident" |
| 19:25.54 | phantomcircuit | xbacklight doesn't seem to recognize the intel i915 backlight driver |
| 19:26.20 | phantomcircuit | i can change the backlight by echoing to a sysfs entry but not with xbacklight, anybody have an idea how to fix this? |
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| 19:36.01 | drax- | Anyone here? |
| 19:36.21 | drax- | How do i check what enviroment im using? if its KDE/Gnome etc etc? |
| 19:36.24 | DammitJim | I'm kinda here |
| 19:36.29 | drax- | Oh nice! :) |
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| 19:36.53 | iTeV | you could use a tool like screenfetch drax- |
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| 19:38.18 | drax- | I mean can i check somewhere in the tty/console? like /etc/ or something? sorry for my n00bish questions... xD |
| 19:39.27 | drax- | DammitJim, ? |
| 19:39.31 | drax- | iTeV, ? |
| 19:39.44 | DammitJim | I actually don't know |
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| 19:40.20 | drax- | Okay :/ |
| 19:40.58 | ksk | drax-: a rather hackish approach: run "pstree -ap | less" - look for your session manager and look what it started |
| 19:41.13 | greycat | I would run "ps x" and look at the program names with my human eyes and then it should be obvious. |
| 19:41.22 | ksk | like, follow the tree where all your fance GUI programs hang under |
| 19:41.35 | ksk | s/fance/fancy |
| 19:41.46 | greycat | or "ps fx" if you want the tree |
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| 19:42.32 | drax- | 1504 ? S 0:00 kdeinit4: kded4 [kdeinit] 1499 ? Ss 0:00 kdeinit4: kdeinit4 Running.., some of the processes, you think its KDE? |
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| 19:43.36 | greycat | I certainly hope so. |
| 19:43.52 | drax- | Ok. |
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| 19:46.50 | DammitJim | Alexa, what WM am I running? |
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| 19:58.11 | Ormu | hi, is Gnome the only desktop that supports Wayland on Stretch? |
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| 20:11.33 | annadane | AFAIK no |
| 20:11.37 | annadane | but i can't substantiate that, so... |
| 20:11.59 | joftr | Hi, I would like to report a bug in asterisk when using pjsip. Asterisk segfaults in the pjsip library. Thus my question is: Do I report a bug against the asterisk package or against the pjsip/pjproject package? |
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| 20:12.22 | greycat | Pick one, and if the maintainers feel it belongs to the other one, they can reassign the bug. |
| 20:12.58 | annadane | also i think "supports wayland" is relative, it's still a work in progress |
| 20:13.41 | annadane | some will support it more and other less, and maybe not the same features |
| 20:13.48 | annadane | idk |
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| 20:13.57 | annadane | (so i didn't actually answer the question) |
| 20:14.47 | joftr | ok, greycat, thanks .... so there is no rule of thumb regarding these cases of bugs in programs using libraries |
| 20:15.32 | greycat | It would take some internal knowledge of how the program and the library work together, and probably some debugging time, to isolate where the fault actually lies. It's not something an average user can figure out. |
| 20:15.40 | annadane | iirc you can also tag other maintainers but yeah, they can reassign bugs |
| 20:15.42 | twobitsprite | joftr: just use your best judgement, no one is coming to your house to flog you for not knowing exactly which one the bug is in |
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| 20:24.08 | cmplstofB | Since when do you Debian? |
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| 20:26.32 | twobitsprite | that wasn't random at all... |
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| 20:29.32 | Ormu | annadane: Enlightenment will support Wayland but the version that is in Stretch repos does not |
| 20:30.51 | DammitJim | did someone mention e? |
| 20:31.01 | DammitJim | I run e but not wayland |
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| 20:36.50 | twobitsprite | DammitJim: I haven't run e in forever... has it changed much in the past... 5-ish years? |
| 20:37.27 | DammitJim | I wanna say no |
| 20:37.35 | DammitJim | sounds like you ran e17? |
| 20:37.48 | twobitsprite | DammitJim: yeah, after the big overhaul/rewrite they did |
| 20:37.51 | DammitJim | I think the core efl has changed, but enlightenment is pretty similar |
| 20:38.18 | DammitJim | I do enjoy the terminal that was developed |
| 20:38.34 | annadane | iirc i got a million bugs using e in stretch |
| 20:38.38 | twobitsprite | I thought the whole set of libraries they were developing was a cool idea... too bad it seems it never really took off outside of e itself |
| 20:39.37 | twobitsprite | I think I was running it in wheezy and don't remember many bugs |
| 20:40.07 | twobitsprite | But then again, I guess there's a reason I'm not still running it, so there must have been something I didn't like |
| 20:40.30 | DammitJim | I thought efl was used quiet a bit by appliances |
| 20:40.56 | DammitJim | they've improved multiple display management |
| 20:40.57 | twobitsprite | oh? |
| 20:41.54 | twobitsprite | actually, that might have been the problem I ran in to |
| 20:42.46 | DammitJim | I don't know if the numbers are real, but supposedly Samsung and Openmoko were using EFL |
| 20:43.26 | DammitJim | I've been running enlightenment for over 10 years now.. yes, it's not perfect, but I can get my work done without any major problems |
| 20:44.46 | DammitJim | but I compile it myself |
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| 20:47.15 | twobitsprite | probably the best way. I think ran in to issues with the debian packages being pretty old (as expected, but with something like e I think you really need the latest stuff) |
| 20:47.47 | twobitsprite | e always kind of reminded me of amigaOS a little bit |
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| 20:56.24 | jhebden | is back from [afk] - 426524h:56m:12s away |
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| 21:04.14 | RoyK | jhutchins: just short of 50 years :) |
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| 21:06.20 | spacedust | is there a good player for youtube ? i dont mean browsers but something like vlc or something that passes browser lagg |
| 21:07.57 | ksk | spacedust: there is youtube-dl to download videos from youtube. not sure what a browser lag is though |
| 21:09.04 | mtn | my youtube quit lagging in my browser when I got a good isp ;) |
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| 21:09.22 | RoyK | ksk: a slow browser will induce lag - downloading the film will remedy this, but won't work in realtime |
| 21:09.46 | RoyK | firefox may suck rather badly at times, though |
| 21:10.48 | ksk | you mean you have a computer thats not fast enough to play youtube via a browser? mhmkay. |
| 21:11.07 | mtn | or it doesn't download fast enough |
| 21:11.17 | RoyK | is on 300Mbps symmetric |
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| 21:11.52 | ksk | yeah okay, but slow internet is slow internet, and not related to anything else on your box. |
| 21:12.52 | RoyK | ksk: wrong - with firefox, it may lag, with other browsers, it works well |
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| 21:14.25 | ksk | is this really reality? like "the firefox browser not good enough to play a video"? :o |
| 21:14.44 | ksk | been using chrome for years, so I dont really know |
| 21:14.47 | RoyK | sometimes, yes - that's my experience |
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| 21:44.08 | EdePopede | RoyK: i've seen these days that mpv has even an option to use youtube-dl, so it may be a quite comfortable solution |
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| 22:25.44 | ksk | interesting, will check that out |
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| 22:42.04 | SyfiMalik | some advice on saving gpg keys? I have an sdxc card which is free as of now, just formated it with zeroes. |
| 22:47.42 | RoyK | keep in mind that those cards die after a while |
| 22:48.40 | SyfiMalik | I have lifetime guarantee, came from sandisk and it is 64 gbs |
| 22:49.53 | bites | the concern was probably more towards the data. |
| 22:50.58 | SyfiMalik | so how should I use it? |
| 22:52.18 | bites | encrypt the drive if you want, then dump the keys you want to keep a backup of. |
| 22:54.19 | SyfiMalik | bites: gdisk /dev/sdb |
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| 22:57.58 | bites | i'd create a luks partition for encryption, then create the filesystem as described here. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dm-crypt/Encrypting_a_non-root_file_system#Partition |
| 22:58.44 | SyfiMalik | so I should create a partition table first or encrypt the whole /dev/sdb? |
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| 22:59.13 | bites | as you wish. |
| 22:59.19 | SyfiMalik | I have done this before and I think I have to create a partition first |
| 23:01.51 | bites | not necessarily. but it won't hurt. |
| 23:02.48 | SyfiMalik | thank you bites |
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