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| 00:01.50 | avis- | noisy ain't natural |
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| 00:05.17 | mischief | does anyone know how to prevent man(1) from adding items from $PATH to the manpath |
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| 00:07.25 | foul_owl | When specifying dns-nameservers in /etc/network/interfaces, why are there two entries? |
| 00:07.40 | foul_owl | Does it assume that if a query to the first fails, it will try the second? |
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| 00:27.07 | Kaminota | mischief, I believe you want to look in /etc/manpath.config. |
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| 00:27.07 | mischief | yes, i see that is how you associate paths to manpaths |
| 00:27.07 | mischief | however i read man's debug output and it is adding a path which i never specified as a manpath, on the basis that it is in my $PATH |
| 00:27.19 | mischief | i don't want it in my manpath but i want it in my $PATH.. |
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| 00:28.07 | mischief | Kaminota: here is the man -a -w read 2>&1 excerpt: |
| 00:28.08 | mischief | path directory /usr/local/plan9/bin is not in the config file |
| 00:28.11 | mischief | but does have a ../man, man, ../share/man, or share/man subdirectory |
| 00:28.13 | mischief | adding /usr/local/plan9/man to manpath |
| 00:28.18 | mischief | i want to stop this behavior |
| 00:30.03 | dominix | hi all, is there a known solution in debian to implement a multi-tier storage management. I mean a storage solution were I can mix SSD/SAS/SATA disk type and move block one to another depending on how often it is accessed. |
| 00:30.53 | dominix | I was looking into Ceph documentation but didn't find this kind of behaviour. |
| 00:31.19 | dominix | a kind of hierarchical storage ... but at filessytem level. |
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| 00:41.08 | dominix | I guess there is no such thing in brtfs either |
| 00:41.25 | dominix | nor zfs ... |
| 00:42.13 | dominix | by the way is zfs debian compliant ? I mean at licence level ? |
| 00:43.14 | annadane | zfs is in contrib |
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| 00:51.48 | dominix | ok, so it's implicit, it's compliant. thx annadane |
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| 00:57.37 | michael2 | test |
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| 01:11.15 | gascamps | shit |
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| 01:11.24 | gascamps | someone banned me from #gentoo |
| 01:11.30 | gascamps | i wonder how that happened |
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| 01:12.02 | gascamps | ALL HAIL HITLARY CLINTON |
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| 01:12.17 | gascamps | GAS ALL THE GUN OWNERS! HAIL HITLARY CLINTON |
| 01:12.26 | gascamps | LONG LIVE THE NEO-FASCIST EMPIRE |
| 01:12.48 | gascamps | !ops |
| 01:12.48 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel. |
| 01:13.02 | gascamps | !ops THE NEGROES ARE ATTACKING US |
| 01:13.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: gascamps complains about a problem (see above) |
| 01:13.15 | gascamps | HITLARY CLINTON HATES NEGROS |
| 01:13.21 | gascamps | HAIL HITLARY |
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| 01:28.30 | zeratul976 | So, today is the end-of-support date for Firefox 52 ESR. |
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| 01:28.53 | zeratul976 | How is that Firefox 60 ESR package coming along? |
| 01:29.58 | gascamps | zeratul976: nobody cares |
| 01:30.18 | gascamps | we are busy supporting Hitlary Clinton to gas all colored people with marijuana gas chambers |
| 01:30.26 | gascamps | so they commit crimes and go to prison |
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| 01:30.31 | gascamps | so spread the word |
| 01:30.38 | gascamps | VOTE HITLARY CLINTON for white power |
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| 01:30.48 | rshakin | wtf |
| 01:30.49 | gascamps | !ops white power! |
| 01:30.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: gascamps complains about a problem (see above) |
| 01:30.52 | oiaohm | gascamps: this is not a political channel this is a support channel. |
| 01:31.03 | gascamps | oiaohm: your mom is a support channel |
| 01:31.17 | gascamps | her channel is barely thick enough to hold me though |
| 01:31.25 | gascamps | if you get what i'm saying |
| 01:31.45 | gascamps | you wont get it, fucking negro. your kind is too dumb |
| 01:32.01 | gascamps | i know all |
| 01:32.06 | gascamps | for i am batman |
| 01:32.09 | oiaohm | gascamps: I am here because I have a question about grub2 so debian boots. |
| 01:32.24 | gascamps | oiaohm: install windows and all problems are fixed |
| 01:32.40 | oiaohm | gascamps: other than the fact windows don't work on this computer. |
| 01:32.43 | gascamps | this channel is being shut down, by order of the intergalactic ku klux klan |
| 01:32.57 | gascamps | oiaohm: nobody gives a flying fuck about your problems |
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| 01:33.11 | gascamps | finalbeta: hello, welcome to Auschwitz |
| 01:33.13 | oiaohm | gascamps: tell me how do you buy windows for a powerpc computer. |
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| 01:33.19 | nkuttler | oiaohm: just ask your question and ignore the trolls |
| 01:33.28 | gascamps | oiaohm: you drop your computer in the toilet |
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| 01:33.38 | gascamps | nkuttler: trolls? like you? |
| 01:33.55 | oiaohm | gascamps: how much do you think a new power pc workstation is worth. |
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| 01:34.41 | oiaohm | gascamps: you just suggest throwing 20000 USD of hardware in a toilet. |
| 01:35.29 | gascamps | oiaohm: Your jew money is worth nothing in the new economy that is being built. |
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| 01:36.53 | gascamps | what say you to that, jew? |
| 01:37.17 | oiaohm | Anyone know how to make it so when grub updates it remains using --disk-module=native and does not switch to --disk-module=biosdisk |
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| 01:38.42 | gascamps | oiaohm: do not ignore me, jewboy |
| 01:39.47 | oiaohm | gascamps: https://freenode.net/changuide << really I think you must be wanting to be klined by freenode staff for breach of network policy. |
| 01:40.20 | allorder | !ops gascamps |
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| 01:42.16 | gascamps | !ops allorder |
| 01:42.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: gascamps complains about a problem (see above) |
| 01:42.26 | gascamps | allorder: i already triggered !ops you know |
| 01:42.30 | gascamps | like a lot of times |
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| 01:44.56 | oiaohm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:47.16 | allorder | oiaohm: /etc/default/grub ? |
| 01:48.42 | oiaohm | allorder: its not that one its when grub-install is run if it run without --disk-module=native it switchs back --disk-module=biosdisk when you have a old system who bios only party support your harddrive it dies a horrible death. |
| 01:49.15 | oiaohm | allorder: and that happens when there is a grub update. I would of course like to update grub without having it shot self in foot. |
| 01:49.58 | oiaohm | Its looking like I will have to open bug on package. |
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| 02:21.15 | SerajewelKS | oiaohm: how often are you reinstalling grub that it's even an issue? |
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| 02:25.51 | sZbcE8qNfG | has anyone gotten VLC to stop screen lockout/saver when a video is playing in debian? |
| 02:26.45 | diamondman | I downloaded the newest 9.5 amd64 image, and it does not appear to have cryptsetup. I have used cryptsetup before in debian, and I am surprised it is not in the image by default. Am I supposed to grab a special image for that feature? |
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| 02:32.13 | oiaohm | SerajewelKS: with general debian testing updates about 1 every 6 months it breaks then having to manually rerun grub-install to fix. |
| 02:32.52 | oiaohm | SerajewelKS: so it is kind of annoying. |
| 02:35.38 | diamondman | Or is it because I grabbed the netinst iso? Is cryptsetup only available in the full disk 1 download? |
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| 02:56.21 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. Is there a way, other than doing a clean install, of removing all packages that aren't part of the base system? |
| 02:57.31 | Pegasus_RPG | I tried getting a list of all packages with priorities other than required and important, but that includes things like dmsetup, libapparmor1, etc. that will break the system. |
| 02:58.31 | Pegasus_RPG | So I can also get a list of only packages with priority required and important, but is there a way to tell apt to remove all packages _not_ specified? |
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| 03:18.05 | rydare | JNash_DMIS: are you talking about the calendar app? |
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| 03:20.16 | rydare | i might have a newer version of the calendar app than you https://u.teknik.io/mfu5J.png |
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| 03:20.43 | rydare | i just got it today in unstable |
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| 04:03.20 | JNash_DMIS | rydare, Yes, the Gnome calendar. Its annoying that it doesn't provide a week view. |
| 04:04.29 | JNash_DMIS | rydare, I am running v 3.28.2 |
| 04:04.31 | Moussa | you could try cal from terminal |
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| 04:05.21 | rydare | does the week view exist? or is the button just missing? |
| 04:05.29 | rydare | might be a new feature they added 3.30 |
| 04:05.50 | JNash_DMIS | rydare, No, no button. Just month & year |
| 04:06.30 | JNash_DMIS | rydare, yep, sounds like a new feature. interesting, its there in Fedora 28 running Gnome. |
| 04:07.45 | JNash_DMIS | Moussa, cal in term is bit basic, but cool |
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| 04:10.13 | Moussa | what do you mean is basic? |
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| 04:11.21 | JNash_DMIS | Moussa, its just shows dates, right? I cant see meetings... truth be told, i am not that familiar with it |
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| 04:11.35 | Moussa | ohithere, i see |
| 04:12.01 | Moussa | -ithere |
| 04:13.10 | JNash_DMIS | ? |
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| 04:14.40 | Moussa | i meant to say, oh i see |
| 04:14.49 | Moussa | typo |
| 04:15.17 | JNash_DMIS | got it |
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| 04:22.09 | Moussa | JNash_DMIS, have you tried orage? |
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| 04:26.49 | JNash_DMIS | Moussa, No, but thats a good idea. I will look into it. Thx. |
| 04:27.24 | Moussa | i can confirm the weeks numbers do work |
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| 04:33.34 | JNash_DMIS | thx |
| 04:34.02 | JNash_DMIS | got to go, off to sleep. talk soon. thx. |
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| 06:54.12 | ceene | Hi, I'm trying to build a .deb package from the source code of a library which compiles with autotools. I've created debian/ structure using dh_make. I got it to build both .deb packages (libXX and libXX-dev), but both of them are empty and do not install the resulting .so nor .h headers on the -dev version, they're both empty. How can I go on debugging this? Thanks! |
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| 07:41.13 | BrainWork | hi. i have a debian server i've encrypted using the options at setup "encrypt and use whole disk with LVM" |
| 07:41.26 | BrainWork | i now want to change that server to NOT encrypted |
| 07:41.51 | BrainWork | i dont mind a short amount of downtime, and it's a vm so i can access its console while it is "offline" |
| 07:42.19 | BrainWork | how would i go about this please? ive found various online resources but none debian specific, and they all say "it depends how its done", im not sure how it was done as it used the standard debian 9 install menus |
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| 07:46.22 | dka | I am at the disk part during the debian install, I have two drive I want to create 4 volumes in RAID 1, /, /srv, /opt, /home. I have now created 4 volumes in RAID, but when I choose for / ext4 filesystem, I cannot set the bootable flag. Why? |
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| 08:01.09 | EdePopede | dka: i got an extra tiny /boot partition (grub2) with ext2. i think ext4 doesn't work for boot, since the system isn't up at that moment |
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| 08:02.50 | Habbie | EdePopede, ext4 should be fine for that as well |
| 08:03.41 | EdePopede | oh. thx, database updated. |
| 08:03.45 | Habbie | :) |
| 08:04.37 | Habbie | also, don't make it too small, or make sure you clean out old kernels very regularly |
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| 08:10.29 | EdePopede | i gave my old sys 7GB and i don't think i even touched the 1GB mark. so i gave it only that much this time. uses 60M with 2 kernels atm, just got a new version these days. |
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| 08:29.04 | EdePopede | since /usr/local is SGID root:staff, should i try to keep it this way? i tend to, but maybe there is a BCP for this. |
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| 08:33.13 | ayekat | ^ wondering the same - I have a custom instance of an SSH server, and put its config under /usr/local/etc, but sshd wasn't very happy about the permissions/ownership there |
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| 08:45.03 | EdePopede | the thing for me is, original dirs all have drwxrwsr-x. but now download a tarball and a .deb and unpack them both as desktop user (adduser -a -G staff) and root. tar doesn't seem to know about suid/sgid, and depending on existence of directories in the .deb they may be created on the fly. |
| 08:45.03 | EdePopede | and using mc there is a "preserve attributes" option. so it would either ignore timestamps or not set the sgid. now i have root:staff, root:root, and even user:staff copied from a backup from the old system. and mixed root:root (files) with root:staff (dirs). |
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| 08:46.39 | EdePopede | hm, let me ask gnu about their tar. |
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| 08:52.44 | petn-randall | EdePopede: I've been using Debian for over 15 years now and just noticed that /usr/local is set guid. I wonder why that is set up like that. |
| 08:54.44 | EdePopede | oh, wait. i got some hamm install disks here. maybe.... |
| 08:55.56 | petn-randall | Same for jessie. |
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| 09:00.32 | EdePopede | chmod 2775 in postinst. back in 2/99. |
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| 09:03.34 | EdePopede | i guess it is the combination of GUID and :staff. all groups are belong to staff and there is g+w. so it is guaranteed that everything is accessible even for writing, with debian using GID:=UID. would else be a problem, or am i missing sth? |
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| 09:19.38 | EdePopede | of, for the files: untar with `--no-same-owner --no-same-permissions` |
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| 09:46.01 | Kivaan | During the debian installation process, a step asks me for the ESSID of my wireless router. Now, how do I find that? |
| 09:46.49 | Habbie | Kivaan, it's the name of your wifi network |
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| 09:47.39 | Kivaan | Habbie: i tried putting that in but it says 'failed' and asks me to retry. |
| 09:48.09 | Habbie | oh :( |
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| 09:49.00 | at0m | Kivaan: generally speaking, using a wire for installation Works Better(TM). depending on your wifi chip, firmware may or may not be included in the installer .iso |
| 09:49.18 | Habbie | or, if possible, install without internet and deal with it after first boot |
| 09:49.26 | at0m | Kivaan: and you entered the right ESSID and password? |
| 09:49.47 | Kivaan | at0m: yes i entered the right name and password. |
| 09:50.42 | at0m | anyhow, wireless is a tad more complicated than wired interfaces, and harder to manage with the basic installer config |
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| 09:51.38 | Kivaan | at0m: what do you suggest I should do now? |
| 09:51.59 | Habbie | Kivaan, can you install without network from your boot medium? |
| 09:52.35 | Kivaan | shall i use one of these? https://www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 09:52.38 | Kivaan | Habbie: huh? |
| 09:52.44 | Habbie | Kivaan, you booted the installer from something |
| 09:52.51 | Habbie | Kivaan, does that 'something' contain enough to install without network present? |
| 09:53.20 | Kivaan | Habbie: not sure what you mean but i booted from a usb. |
| 09:53.32 | Habbie | then it depends on what ISO that usb was generated from |
| 09:54.39 | Kivaan | Habbie: umm.. i downloaded a torrent from here https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 09:54.51 | Habbie | ah, netinst |
| 09:55.00 | Habbie | then yes, the answer is 'pick another one so you can install without wifi' |
| 09:55.06 | Habbie | or at least, that is an answer :) |
| 09:55.18 | Kivaan | https://www.debian.org/CD/ ? |
| 09:55.33 | Habbie | sure |
| 09:56.15 | Kivaan | Habbie: it wont need wifi during installation? |
| 09:56.37 | Habbie | anything bigger than netinst can install without wifi; to make sure you're not lacking in drivers or firmware after installation, best to grab the biggest ISO you can get |
| 09:59.00 | Kivaan | Habbie: umm... which one here? https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
| 09:59.21 | Habbie | 'full CD' is fine |
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| 10:00.58 | Kivaan | Habbie: wait, now what does strech mean? |
| 10:01.06 | Habbie | stretch is the current stable version of debian |
| 10:01.13 | Habbie | debian stretch = debian 9 |
| 10:02.04 | petn-randall | Not to nitpick, but the network installer can also complete an installation without network. You'll just have a minimal system then. |
| 10:02.21 | Habbie | ah, good to know |
| 10:02.30 | Habbie | so alternatively, Kivaan could just finish the install and take it from there |
| 10:02.44 | petn-randall | Not sure if that makes things much easier. |
| 10:02.51 | petn-randall | !firmware images |
| 10:02.51 | Habbie | me neither |
| 10:02.51 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>. |
| 10:03.01 | Kivaan | wait, full cd gives me the same iso. |
| 10:03.08 | Habbie | in either case the next step might be 'use the usb stick to transfer firmware to the installed machine' |
| 10:03.13 | petn-randall | Kivaan: You cna try to use the firmware installer, that includes firmware that your wifi chip likely needs. ^^^ |
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| 10:24.32 | ws2k3 | i read i can disable sectors on a filesystem with fsck -l badsectors.txt /dev/sda10 is there anyway to do this while mounted? or do i need to use a live cd? |
| 10:25.35 | blackflow | ws2k3: that just runs file system check with a lockfile "badsectors.txt". doesn't "disable sectors" |
| 10:26.02 | blackflow | ws2k3: the manpage is your friend, when you read stuff like that :) `man fsck` |
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| 10:28.21 | dutchfish | i thought ssd's already do that automatically while trimming? In any case, if this is a spindle, i gues it is time to replace it. |
| 10:28.35 | Habbie | even spindles do it automatically upon writes |
| 10:28.46 | Habbie | unless they run out of spare sectors |
| 10:28.51 | Habbie | by which time you should indeed have long replaced them |
| 10:29.43 | ws2k3 | https://www.tecmint.com/check-linux-hard-disk-bad-sectors-bad-blocks/ In case you discover any bad sectors on your disk drive, unmount the disk and instruct the operating system not to write to the reported sectors as follows. dutchfish its an ssd. but its an sdd integrated on the motherboard. i only have 4 bad sectors and i desire to keep using the machine |
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| 10:30.46 | dutchfish | ws2k3, on spindles this is taken already care of, as far as i know. Read what Habbie said. |
| 10:31.11 | dutchfish | ws2k3, error: s/spindles/ssd |
| 10:31.47 | dutchfish | ws2k3, on early ssd's this is quiet common |
| 10:32.20 | petn-randall | ws2k3: Show us the smartctl output or whatever way you found out about bad sectors. |
| 10:32.43 | ws2k3 | petn-randall i cant use smartctl cause apt-get it not working so i cant install it |
| 10:33.15 | ws2k3 | petn-randall i ran badblocks -v /dev/sdb > badsectors.txt |
| 10:33.47 | petn-randall | ws2k3: Then show us the contents of badsectors.txt. |
| 10:34.15 | ws2k3 | petn-randall 284336 284337 284338 284339 |
| 10:34.27 | ws2k3 | petn-randall so i have 4 bad sectors so it seems |
| 10:35.30 | petn-randall | ws2k3: That is not the complete output. |
| 10:36.09 | petn-randall | ws2k3: Oh wait, it's writing it to STDERR, not STDOUT. I'd like to see STDERR, too. |
| 10:37.46 | ws2k3 | petn-randall then i would have to run it again i dont have that output anymore |
| 10:37.57 | ws2k3 | petn-randall but there wasnt realy anything special in them |
| 10:38.29 | ws2k3 | petn-randall it just looked like https://www.tecmint.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Scan-Hard-Disk-Bad-Sectors-in-Linux.png |
| 10:39.51 | petn-randall | 0 errors found, great! |
| 10:39.53 | petn-randall | ;) |
| 10:42.08 | ws2k3 | petn Checking blocks 0 to 15761087 Checking for bad blocks (read-only test): but its gonna take a while |
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| 10:47.37 | blackflow | ws2k3: ideally you should force the disk to reallocate bad sectors. doing anything at the filesystem level is just band-aid. in fact, if you start seeing bad sectors, if I were you I'd replace that puppy asap. |
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| 10:50.04 | colo-work | agreed. |
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| 10:50.17 | JyZyXEL | "apt-get source libinput" is failing with: Err:1 http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian testing/main libinput 1.11.3-1 (asc) 403 Forbidden file type or location: http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libi/libinput/libinput_1.11.3.orig.tar.xz.asc |
| 10:50.35 | ws2k3 | okay i will just insert a 16 gb usb stick and use that one that would be fine to |
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| 10:52.00 | Wulf | Good Morning. After some upgrades (sid) my gnome terminal's cursor disappears when I switch the window, and doesn't come back. Anyone else with the problem and perhaps a fix? |
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| 10:54.41 | blackflow | JyZyXEL: try again? could be a temporary issue on the mirror |
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| 10:55.04 | JyZyXEL | blackflow: i've tried multiple times with different mirrors |
| 10:55.50 | JyZyXEL | i tried ftp.fi, ftp.se and ftp.de |
| 10:56.06 | inquisitiv3 | I'm having trouble creating a VM using Virt manager. I get the following error message: https://paste.debian.net/1040965/ |
| 10:56.07 | JyZyXEL | they all give 403 with apt-get |
| 10:56.13 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, is apt-cacher-ng in use? |
| 10:56.18 | JyZyXEL | dutchfish: yeah |
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| 10:56.42 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, maybe this is related https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=823733 |
| 10:56.43 | inquisitiv3 | I'm using a Stretch image. |
| 10:56.43 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/823733 in apt-cacher-ng (closed): «apt-cacher-ng: 403 Forbidden file type or location: [...]orig.tar.xz.asc»; severity: important; opened: 2016-05-08; last modified: 2016-06-21. |
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| 10:57.43 | inquisitiv3 | Can't find any information about the problem. My user account is member of the groups `libvirt`and `libvirt-qemu`. |
| 10:58.05 | blackflow | inquisitiv3: on which host? |
| 10:58.46 | inquisitiv3 | blackflow: I'm using Stretch on the host machine. |
| 10:58.53 | JyZyXEL | dutchfish: you were right, that fixed it! |
| 10:58.54 | blackflow | inquisitiv3: also not sure how libvirt changes things, but I think you also need membership in the 'kvm' group |
| 10:58.59 | JyZyXEL | dutchfish: nice catch, thank you |
| 10:59.01 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, :) |
| 10:59.35 | blackflow | inquisitiv3: at least when using qemu-system-x86_64, one needs to be in the 'kvm' group or use sudo |
| 10:59.42 | blackflow | *or run as root, I mean |
| 11:00.05 | inquisitiv3 | blackflow: According to the wiki it should only be required on Jessie and older (if I don't misinterpret the text). https://wiki.debian.org/KVM |
| 11:02.31 | blackflow | inquisitiv3: try and see? |
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| 11:03.05 | blackflow | or in other words... I'm not using libvirt, but qemu-system- directly, and for that, to run unpriv I need to be in the group 'kvm' |
| 11:03.36 | inquisitiv3_ | blackflow: Sorry, I was disconnected from the server. Could you please resend the earlier part of your message_ |
| 11:03.40 | NetTerminalGene | ,firefox |
| 11:03.56 | NetTerminalGene | ,v firefox-esr |
| 11:03.57 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; stretch: 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 52.8.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.9.0esr-1; sid: 60.1.0esr-3 |
| 11:04.53 | blackflow | inquisitiv3: try and see? |
| 11:05.09 | inquisitiv3_ | Yeah, back soon. |
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| 11:09.12 | inquisitiv3 | I'm back. I added my user to the `kvm` group and logged out and in again. I tried to create the VM with the same settings, but got another error message now. https://paste.debian.net/1040966/ |
| 11:13.17 | blackflow | inquisitiv3: do you have any kernel module blacklists or perhaps kernel.modules_disabled = 1 in sysctl? |
| 11:14.35 | inquisitiv3 | blackflow: Nothing I've done myself. |
| 11:15.01 | inquisitiv3 | To my knowledge. I just installed Debian on the machine (about two days ago). |
| 11:15.17 | inquisitiv3 | Is there a command to check that? |
| 11:16.42 | blackflow | inquisitiv3: sysctl -a | grep modules_disabled and for the blacklists you'd have to dig through /etc/modprobe.d |
| 11:17.33 | dionysus69 | I have a second hard drive and I want to mount it as a data partition |
| 11:17.42 | blackflow | however, afaik there's no such thing there by default. no idea what's wrong there then. can you pastebin dmesg or journal, any relevant entries? |
| 11:17.42 | dionysus69 | so which one should I choose? /usr -static data? |
| 11:18.18 | dionysus69 | I am installing debian, i am talking about the initial partitioning menu |
| 11:19.15 | blackflow | dionysus69: what kind of "data partition"? |
| 11:19.26 | dionysus69 | just random data 1tb hard drive |
| 11:20.07 | dionysus69 | or should I not use any of those options and mount it through fstab manually? |
| 11:20.20 | blackflow | dionysus69: I don't think that's relevant for the installation phase then. you can always partition, format and mount wherever you want, later. |
| 11:20.27 | blackflow | dionysus69: right, through fstab later. |
| 11:20.42 | inquisitiv3 | blackflow: Hmm, `sysctl` isn't installed on my machine. |
| 11:20.44 | dionysus69 | ok then thanks, I just dont know fstab that well and was lazy to google :D |
| 11:20.58 | blackflow | inquisitiv3: there's no /sbin/sysctl? |
| 11:21.22 | inquisitiv3 | blackflow: Missed the `sudo` :P |
| 11:21.59 | blackflow | that shouldn't require sudo. perhaps you don't have /sbin in your user's PATH |
| 11:23.00 | inquisitiv3 | Nope, it seems that it isn't in my $PATH |
| 11:23.14 | blackflow | shame. :) |
| 11:24.03 | inquisitiv3 | `sudo sysctl -a | grep modules_disabled`: https://paste.debian.net/1040967/ |
| 11:24.52 | blackflow | right so it's not disabled |
| 11:25.43 | blackflow | inquisitiv3: so anything in dmesg or journal when you do whatever you do that returns that permission denied error? and what is that exactly? |
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| 11:31.10 | Buygrush | hi |
| 11:31.42 | inquisitiv3 | The last 20 entries after trying to create the VM. https://paste.debian.net/1040969/ |
| 11:31.50 | inquisitiv3 | from dmesg |
| 11:32.14 | Buygrush | is there a scriptable way to determine if a package name is valid (i.e. corresponding to something either installed or downloadable)? |
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| 11:36.31 | Buygrush | "apt-cache show [pkg-name]" does return useful exit status (0 if found, 100 otherwise) but it's way too verbose |
| 11:37.10 | Habbie | Buygrush, so throw the output away |
| 11:37.48 | Buygrush | agreed, I could do that and redirect STDOUT to /dev/null or something |
| 11:38.08 | Buygrush | but I was wondering if there was a dedicated tool for that kind of operations |
| 11:39.56 | Buygrush | dkpg-query --show [pkg-name] has a useful "--showformat" option that allows to tailor its output, but (if I got that right) it operates on a list of packages that is kept up-to-date only with dselect, which I don't use |
| 11:39.58 | tw | rant: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-rfkill.service.html |
| 11:40.29 | tw | it auto restores last state. |
| 11:40.30 | rant | figures sysd got that too |
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| 11:41.32 | rant | it must not be swt that way cause i disabled all radios on lst have dozwn boots |
| 11:41.35 | bolovanos | #iptables |
| 11:41.37 | sZbcE8qNfG | when resuming from hibernation, all I see is a black screen? I don't see anything relevant in journalctl |
| 11:41.51 | rant | ill have to look into it |
| 11:42.59 | rant | its prob vid related if you got black screen |
| 11:43.12 | rant | which catd and drivers? |
| 11:44.08 | petn-randall | ws2k3: Btw, *e2fsck* allows passing badblocks with -l. It's just that fsck does not support that. |
| 11:44.46 | Buygrush | the whole point being, aptitude (and apt-get, apparently) just seem to stop precessing arguments when one of the supplied names doesn't correspond to an available package. Older versions would simply carry on, install whatever could be fetched, and eventually issue an error message stating that some packages could not be installed |
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| 11:45.47 | rant | uh i been usin debian sice potato and its always done that iirc |
| 11:46.46 | rant | as it needs to resolve deps in cache before any fetching and cant resolve an invalid pkg |
| 11:47.37 | Buygrush | I could be wrong, then |
| 11:47.40 | rant | it only mentions failed to fetch when there is a repo miss not a cache miss |
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| 11:48.23 | rant | repo misses can happen for example when cache is stale |
| 11:49.46 | rant | thats not to say that if you really wanted to you couldnt make them ignore cache miss but sounds like a bad idea |
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| 11:51.12 | rant | most common cache misses are typo or hitting a virt package with no actual pkg avail and typically you want to correct those |
| 11:51.53 | rant | bash HAS been able to tab complete pkg names for years though iirc |
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| 11:52.34 | rant | i think you gotta enable it though |
| 11:52.36 | inquisitiv3 | I got it working by rebooting my host machine. I guess I've to do that after adding myself to the `kvm` group. |
| 11:53.38 | Buygrush | so, if type: "apt-get install foo bar stuff blah" and "foo" doesn't exist (in the cache's current state), you would describe it as a cache miss, right? |
| 11:53.55 | rant | sure |
| 11:54.21 | Buygrush | the thing is, I'm trying to write a small install script for mathematical tool which needs to be compiled on different OS's |
| 11:54.29 | Buygrush | (or not so different: Debian and Ubuntu) |
| 11:55.04 | rant | yeah so? you cant just ignore runtime OR build deps |
| 11:55.18 | Buygrush | it seems a few libraries have subtly differing names across the systems, and I was trying to pack all variants into the same "apt-get install line" |
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| 11:56.04 | Buygrush | aaah |
| 11:56.59 | rant | thwn youre doin it wrong.. perhaps either detect distro first with case for each or query for correct pkg name |
| 11:57.18 | rant | or use static libs or a sane build system |
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| 11:58.10 | Buygrush | yeah, I guess it would be more sensible to detect the distribution |
| 11:58.12 | rant | if its simple enough an app just ship libs with it or use static |
| 11:58.35 | tw | or if it's just deb/ubuntu, you could package it for those two with an OR dependency. |
| 11:59.09 | rant | i think hes concerned about source dist not binary |
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| 11:59.39 | rant | which means hes not using proper build env/tools |
| 12:00.48 | rant | just hackin crap together by hand which if you wanna do that you might as well roll static libs with it |
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| 12:01.31 | rant | or just use one of a million tools out there |
| 12:02.10 | rant | really for a good solution we need more detail on the project.. its language and deps |
| 12:02.51 | rant | all we know is youre trying to dist source for deb based systems |
| 12:03.04 | rant | and doin it wrong :p |
| 12:03.17 | Buygrush | (sorry, was AFK) |
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| 12:03.54 | Buygrush | actually I need to compile a mathematical tool (Root) on those machines |
| 12:04.06 | Buygrush | but I'll resort to distro detection as you said |
| 12:04.18 | Buygrush | thanks for the input, guys |
| 12:04.51 | rant | idk but if you mean compiling as root user youre doin another thing wron |
| 12:05.03 | rant | and dangerously wrong |
| 12:05.28 | Buygrush | https://root.cern.ch/ |
| 12:08.03 | rant | seems like dev stalled there but they seem to have attempted a docker image |
| 12:09.03 | rant | the latest news on that site was a year ago |
| 12:09.05 | tw | august 2018 release would suggest otherwise. |
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| 12:09.35 | Buygrush | "Release 6.14/04 - 2018-08-23" |
| 12:09.42 | rant | ah well im on tiny android phone i only glanced at the page |
| 12:09.48 | Buygrush | no worries |
| 12:09.58 | rant | id look into the docker thing |
| 12:09.58 | Buygrush | and the docker image is described as "experimental" |
| 12:10.40 | rant | yeah well so is your approach.. heh |
| 12:10.49 | Buygrush | (not to mention I know nothing about using Docker ....) |
| 12:11.19 | rant | me either but its designed for what you seem to want |
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| 12:13.48 | rant | i need to get my butt movin its gonna rain soon.. i got crap i need to do fore that happens o/ |
| 12:14.18 | Habbie | the torrent has just started here |
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| 12:31.23 | Peyam | hi |
| 12:31.31 | Peyam | Do you know any good game free for linux? |
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| 12:31.46 | blackflow | Aisle riot. wasted so many hours in that one. |
| 12:32.17 | Peyam | blackflow, -.- |
| 12:32.26 | Fox | what kind of games ? |
| 12:32.37 | jelly | nethack |
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| 12:34.18 | tw | i like flightgear. Higan if you play old emulated video games. |
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| 12:34.37 | blackflow | dwarf fortress? ooh ooh, my fav, Enigma! |
| 12:34.46 | inch | wesnoth, freeciv |
| 12:34.50 | blackflow | freeciv, yeah. |
| 12:35.14 | Peyam | flighgear is nice |
| 12:35.18 | Peyam | I download it now |
| 12:35.19 | Fox | freeciv is a bit outdated, would recommend "0 .A.D" :) |
| 12:35.25 | Peyam | but I remember it frozed last time I checked it |
| 12:35.33 | jelly | ,i 0ad |
| 12:35.34 | judd | Package 0ad (games, optional) in stretch/amd64: Real-time strategy game of ancient warfare. Version: 0.0.21-2; Size: 5107.1k; Installed: 18473k; Homepage: http://play0ad.com/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/0ad |
| 12:36.12 | Peyam | isn't downloading speed slower in Firefox than Chrome? |
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| 12:40.36 | dka | I have an .iso of Windows 7, how can I make an USB bootable key from my Debian stretch>? |
| 12:41.11 | kirk781 | dka, https://askubuntu.com/questions/289559/how-can-i-create-a-windows-bootable-usb-stick-using-ubuntu |
| 12:41.28 | dka | people keep telling me here that ubuntu != debian |
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| 12:42.21 | kirk781 | dka, It should work for any Debian based distro[including Ubuntu]. It worked for me on Solus too. |
| 12:42.30 | dka | what software do you use? |
| 12:42.46 | dka | can't find winusb on base repo |
| 12:43.08 | awal1 | looks like gnome or I dont know who exactly are removing title bar feature. where can I research about that and integration with X? |
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| 12:43.43 | awal1 | I have a bit of difficulty to find info bcoz i dont know the technical naming of not having title bar |
| 12:44.32 | tw | title bar has always been managed by the WM. applications can request to not have one with a WM hint. |
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| 12:45.22 | kirk781 | dka, why use a software when you can manually do it? Scroll down and you'll find a better answer listed. |
| 12:45.33 | kirk781 | For EFI based media creation, it's even easier |
| 12:46.13 | dka | which answer do you refer on? |
| 12:46.27 | Peyam | how do you zoom in in flightgear tw |
| 12:46.29 | tw | awal1: might have some luck searching for "window decorations" |
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| 12:46.47 | dka | you can share and get a more precise link by clicking share |
| 12:47.02 | tw | There's a cheatsheet of controls available. |
| 12:47.13 | tw | You should follow a tutorial for first flight. |
| 12:47.25 | tw | because some of those systems are not forgiving. |
| 12:47.31 | kirk781 | dka, https://askubuntu.com/a/487970 [I feel stupid now for not using the direct link in the first place] |
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| 12:49.57 | dka | which one should I use ? for bios or for uefi? |
| 12:50.33 | awal1 | tw, ok |
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| 12:50.57 | awal1 | shade feature lost with no title bar :( |
| 12:51.06 | awal1 | stupid gnome |
| 12:52.04 | kirk781 | dka, depends on if your BIOS is UEFI or not. |
| 12:54.28 | dka | I have just bought the whole PC i am installing on |
| 12:54.41 | dka | the bios speak about UEFI, but I was able to install Debian without using the UEFI boot |
| 12:54.55 | dka | it was failing when I was using the UEFI boot (my usb key) |
| 12:55.12 | dka | how can I know if my bios is UEFI? I think it is not on the one I have installed debian because it work fine |
| 12:55.24 | dka | and now I am installing windows on another computer but same configuration |
| 12:55.38 | dka | UEFI can be enable/disable from the bios. |
| 12:55.47 | dka | So why would I shouse UEFI if i can disable it |
| 12:57.18 | petn-randall | !uefi |
| 12:57.18 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases support installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI |
| 12:58.19 | petn-randall | dka: ^^^ whether you pick UEFI or legacy boot, you have to stick with it for the installer the installed Debian, and any other OSes. |
| 12:58.26 | tw | dka: may as well get used to it; intel has formally announced legacy bios and CSM is deprecated. |
| 12:59.23 | tw | there's a whole bunch of virt-related things you need uefi for, but that's not a common use case. |
| 12:59.54 | pja | plus Windows requires UEFI these days IIRC. |
| 13:00.39 | tw | Not explicitly, no. You can't get secure boot w/o it, but you can get it installed without uefi. |
| 13:02.26 | petn-randall | tw: I'm fairly sure you can have Windows wit UEFI and without secure boot. |
| 13:02.33 | petn-randall | On x86 at least. |
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| 13:04.56 | dka | What does that mean ? Using GParted rewrite the partition table of the USB drive as GPT. |
| 13:05.08 | dka | I was able to format it to fat32 but can't find GPTR mode for my drive |
| 13:05.51 | petn-randall | !gpt |
| 13:05.51 | dpkg | GPT (GUID Partition Table) is a disk partition format frequently used by firmware compliant with the Extensible Firmware Interface (<EFI>). util-linux's <fdisk> does not support GPT, ask me about <parted>. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-gpt/ |
| 13:06.11 | petn-randall | dka: Not that GPT is a partition table, not a partition or a filesystem (fat32). |
| 13:06.15 | petn-randall | dka: Note that GPT is a partition table, not a partition or a filesystem (fat32). |
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| 13:10.53 | dka | I am stuck at |
| 13:10.54 | dka | Copy all Windows files (from mounted ISO or DVD) to the USB drive. |
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| 13:11.27 | dka | I believe I should unzip my iso, I have done fdisk -l and I can see my fat32 GPT device |
| 13:11.47 | dka | I cannot mount it for some reason |
| 13:11.54 | EdePopede | "fdisk from util-linux 2.29.2" sez here: "Disklabel type: gpt" and lists them correctly. |
| 13:11.55 | dka | mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist |
| 13:12.03 | kirk781 | dka, unzip the files and copy the contents to the USB. If you are making one for UEFI, then it should be auto-bootable post this point. |
| 13:12.32 | dka | https://paste.gnome.org/phwku1ai0 |
| 13:14.52 | EdePopede | dka: no partition list after "disk identifier:"? (l.24) |
| 13:14.59 | kirk781 | dka, try mounting via a GUI. Seems like USB isn't allotted /dev/sdb this time |
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| 13:27.52 | petn-randall | dka: What are you trying to accomplish? If you're trying to install Debian, stick to the documentation on how to prepare the installer from Windows. unzip is not needed for that. |
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| 13:37.46 | gedia | hello all, is there anyway to provide per-host grub configuration when using UEFI network boot (bootnetx64.efi), similar to the pxelinux.cfg method? |
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| 13:45.46 | dionysus69 | my resolution is stuck at 1024x7... so |
| 13:45.48 | dionysus69 | this is a new install |
| 13:45.57 | dionysus69 | I have intel i7-8700 |
| 13:46.03 | dionysus69 | what package do I need to install? |
| 13:46.27 | dionysus69 | I'd prefer not to install xorg intel package because it caused other problems from my experience on my laptop |
| 13:46.39 | dionysus69 | is there anything else I can do? |
| 13:47.25 | blackflow | for starters take a screwdriver and dislodge your <enter> key |
| 13:47.41 | dionysus69 | :D |
| 13:47.46 | petn-randall | heh |
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| 13:48.35 | petn-randall | dionysus69: Since this is a fairly new CPU, I'd start with using a kernel from backports. |
| 13:48.45 | dionysus69 | hmm |
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| 13:48.48 | dionysus69 | interesting |
| 13:49.10 | petn-randall | passes the screwdriver to dionysus69. |
| 13:49.16 | dionysus69 | :D :D |
| 13:49.45 | dionysus69 | come on, I am not always like this, just excited for my new work pc with a 90s graphics |
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| 13:52.49 | dionysus69 | that helped thanks petn-randall |
| 13:54.10 | kirk781 | dka, did you manage to finish the burning process? |
| 13:54.27 | dka | almost |
| 13:54.29 | petn-randall | dionysus69: That was it? Nice, good to hear. I would have thought that you'd need some updates xorg stuff, too. |
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| 13:54.35 | dka | I am trying to umount but the target /mnt is busy |
| 13:55.39 | petn-randall | dka: From reading the backlog it's unclear what you're trying to do. |
| 13:55.58 | kirk781 | On a related note, I tried to install Windows on a friends' PC couple of nights ago. Was a disaster. For some reason, it always threw the message that Windows can't install on MBR disks |
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| 14:06.36 | dka | I can boot the USB key using UEFI but then I arrive on the Windows installer screen to select the language for the OS |
| 14:06.48 | dka | I can't use the mouse nor the keyboard, both were working in the bios configuration |
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| 14:14.14 | sZbcE8qNfG | help, I'm trying to resume from hibernation. All I see is a black screen with a cursor blinking when it resumes |
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| 14:14.42 | sZbcE8qNfG | I've tried a diff of the syslog file on a normal reboot VS resume from hibernation....and I don't see any major issues |
| 14:14.53 | sZbcE8qNfG | what's the next step to take? |
| 14:15.20 | colo-work | can you switch VTs or trigger sysrq after resume? |
| 14:16.40 | sZbcE8qNfG | i tried ctrl + alt + f5/6/7/8/9/2/3/4/5 etc.....nothing happens |
| 14:16.52 | petn-randall | dka: What does the Windows installer have to do with Debian? |
| 14:16.55 | sZbcE8qNfG | it's just a black screen with nothing but a cursor blinking |
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| 14:20.55 | rant | sZbcE8qNfG: I asked you hours ago what video card and drivers you were using |
| 14:21.04 | rant | this is most likely a video card issue |
| 14:21.29 | sZbcE8qNfG | sorry I didn't see that msg....I'm using the default graphics card that comes with Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-8250U |
| 14:21.34 | sZbcE8qNfG | i guess that would be i915? |
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| 14:22.22 | rant | sZbcE8qNfG: stock stretch kernel? no sort of hybrid discrete graphics like nvidia optimus or extra gpu of any kind? |
| 14:22.30 | sZbcE8qNfG | I installed firmware-misc-nonfree package cause I had i915 warnings (after installing, it went away) |
| 14:22.35 | sZbcE8qNfG | stock everything |
| 14:23.24 | petn-randall | sZbcE8qNfG: Which kernel? |
| 14:23.53 | sZbcE8qNfG | I had this error in syslog: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/i915/kbl_dmc_ver1_04.bin for module i915, after installing that package..it went away |
| 14:24.05 | sZbcE8qNfG | uname -r reports 4.9.0-8-amd64 |
| 14:24.27 | petn-randall | sZbcE8qNfG: With such a new CPU, I'd install the kernel from stretch-backports and see if the situation improves. |
| 14:25.03 | petn-randall | (note that your CPU was released after the 4.9 kernel, so newer version likely fix issues on that CPU) |
| 14:25.31 | rant | yeah I have the i5-4300U and dont have this issue |
| 14:25.55 | rant | but this cpu is from like 2013 or earlier iirc |
| 14:26.25 | sZbcE8qNfG | can you giveme the steps to do that as cleanly as possible? Don't want to bring in tons of packages |
| 14:26.39 | sZbcE8qNfG | i haven't sued backports before |
| 14:26.42 | sZbcE8qNfG | used* |
| 14:26.49 | greycat | !stretch-backports |
| 14:26.49 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Buster (Debian 10) but recompiled for use with Stretch (Debian 9) can be found in the stretch-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>. |
| 14:26.50 | rant | backports |
| 14:27.15 | rant | ok, quickdraw mcwooledge.. |
| 14:27.28 | rant | beat me to it, and I didnt even have my finger on the trigger :P |
| 14:28.09 | sZbcE8qNfG | ok so add stretch-backports to ALL lines in /etc/apt/sources, run apt-get update and then run apt-get -t stretch-backports install |
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| 14:28.18 | rant | sZbcE8qNfG: NO |
| 14:28.30 | greycat | Read the instructions on the page the bot linked you to. |
| 14:28.37 | rant | sZbcE8qNfG: you do not modify ANY lines of /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 14:29.14 | rant | sZbcE8qNfG: you'll be adding a new line, not changing existing ones |
| 14:29.50 | sZbcE8qNfG | what about deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian stretch-backports/updates main? like what about updates |
| 14:30.41 | petn-randall | sZbcE8qNfG: Have you read the link yet? Then we don't need to copy and paste the instructions. |
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| 14:31.13 | sZbcE8qNfG | yes, it doesn't say anything about future updates |
| 14:31.25 | sZbcE8qNfG | will adding deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian stretch-backports main receive updates too? |
| 14:32.07 | sZbcE8qNfG | just curious |
| 14:32.30 | n4dir | make an educated guess |
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| 14:33.07 | sZbcE8qNfG | reason I'm asking is that the default sources has separate lines for security updates and stretch-updates. How come there is no backport updates? |
| 14:33.10 | greycat | It's largely a moot point because an "update" would have to EXIST in the first place before you could wonder whether a future "apt upgrade" would pick it up. |
| 14:33.40 | rant | sZbcE8qNfG: https://backports.debian.org/FAQ/ |
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| 14:34.35 | rant | its actually one of the FAQ.. and the answer is no because its tracking a moving target already and the debian policy is loosened for backports to allow maintainers to grab security fixes directly from sid without waiting for it to go through to testing |
| 14:35.59 | bites | the kernel in backports gets quite frequent updates. |
| 14:36.01 | sZbcE8qNfG | oh ok |
| 14:36.29 | greycat | In practice, a backport gets uploaded whenever some human being perceives a need for it, and once that need has been met by a backport, it will probably not be superseded by another one unless a new need is born. |
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| 14:36.58 | greycat | Kernels are an extremely special case. |
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| 14:38.28 | sZbcE8qNfG | i see |
| 14:40.05 | sZbcE8qNfG | so hypothetically, if I install postgresql-9.0....and now the new version in stable is 9.9, I will still have 9.0 right? |
| 14:40.31 | sZbcE8qNfG | nevermind :) |
| 14:40.32 | greycat | *what* |
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| 14:44.42 | sZbcE8qNfG | ok I will add deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian stretch-backports main to /etc/apt/sources.list, run apt-get update, run apt-get -t stretch-backports install linux-image-amd64 and then reboot |
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| 14:44.52 | greycat | Your example was so backwards and convoluted *and* used made-up numbers... I can't figure out what your mental model of this process is, but it most definitely does not match reality. |
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| 14:45.07 | sZbcE8qNfG | yeah it was a bad example |
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| 14:45.33 | greycat | The current stable Debian release (stretch) has postgresql-9.6. This will never change. Stretch has 9.6. Period. Forever. |
| 14:45.52 | sZbcE8qNfG | yep I forgot about that |
| 14:45.59 | greycat | Unstable has postgresql-10 but there is currently no backport of it, so that's kinda moot. |
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| 14:46.43 | greycat | But IF IN THEORY some day someone made a backport of postgresql-10 for stretch, and you installed it, then you would have both postgresql-9.6 and postgresql-10 on stretch, because they are separate packages, and they coexist, and Debian uses a weird cluster thingy-doodad. |
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| 14:47.09 | greycat | If you want to migrate your actual pg databases to the new release, you have to run some cluster migration/dropping commands which are listed in the Debian docs. |
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| 14:47.36 | sZbcE8qNfG | yeah |
| 14:48.38 | petn-randall | (which is why postgres is bad example) |
| 14:48.42 | sZbcE8qNfG | 1 more question: 4.17 is the latest kernel in stretch-backports? I used search and that's what it said |
| 14:48.49 | greycat | ,kernels |
| 14:48.50 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.19.0-rc2-686 (4.19~rc2-1~exp1); sid: 4.17.0-3-686 (4.17.17-1); buster: 4.17.0-3-686 (4.17.17-1); stretch-backports: 4.17.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (4.17.17-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u4); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u4~deb8u1); wheezy- |
| 14:48.51 | judd | backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1) |
| 14:49.00 | petn-randall | yes |
| 14:49.09 | greycat | judd says yes too |
| 14:50.20 | petn-randall | sZbcE8qNfG: linux-image-amd64 from stretch-backports will always depend on the kernel from stretch-backports, so it makes sense to install that if you need it. Note however that it will be a moving target: Some time in the future it will be 4.18, then 4.19, etc. |
| 14:50.56 | sZbcE8qNfG | i see...hopefully it will be stable enough |
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| 14:51.58 | bites | you can keep multiple kernels to fall back to in case it isn't. they are not deleted on upgrade. |
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| 14:54.13 | sZbcE8qNfG | all done, time to reboot and find out :) |
| 14:54.15 | sZbcE8qNfG | thanks! |
| 14:54.28 | dka | Does anybody know here how I can add USB3 driver to USB stick from debian? |
| 14:54.36 | dka | It's a windows 7 usb stick |
| 14:54.42 | dka | people from #windows doesn't have a clue |
| 14:55.14 | Wulf | dka: mount it, copy the file, unmount it? |
| 14:55.39 | Wulf | dka: it might be auto mounted. Have a look at /media/dka/ |
| 14:56.19 | petn-randall | dka: What filesystem is there on the USB stick? |
| 14:56.46 | dka | fat32 |
| 14:56.54 | dka | I have mounted the file on the stick under driver |
| 14:57.11 | dka | I have used these drivers: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?lang=eng&DwnldID=21129 |
| 14:57.20 | dka | I have extracted the zip in /mnt/drivers |
| 14:57.42 | dka | then I moved to the same folder all the sources I could find in /mnt/drivers directories recursively |
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| 15:01.08 | dka | it does not work |
| 15:03.01 | SerajewelKS | !doesn't work |
| 15:03.01 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 15:03.16 | Habbie | !sicco |
| 15:03.17 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 15:03.48 | greycat | I don't know how you could possibly conceive of the idea that we would know how to add a Windows driver to a Windows install image. |
| 15:04.00 | greycat | Back on the /ignore list he goes. |
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| 15:05.21 | SerajewelKS | dka: this is a windows driver, not a linux driver. are you trying to make this driver work on a debian system, or what? |
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| 15:07.49 | dka | SerajewelKS, the problem is that I have only 3 debian hosts, no dvd drive, no cd drive |
| 15:07.49 | sZbcE8qNfG | damn same problem, black screen with cursor blinking when resuming |
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| 15:07.58 | dka | I need to install Win 7 on one of them |
| 15:08.05 | Wulf | dka: install from network? |
| 15:08.18 | dka | Wulf, don't see how it would help |
| 15:08.32 | Wulf | dka: you wouldn't need usb drivers for that :-) |
| 15:08.41 | dka | it's need usb3 for ssd |
| 15:08.54 | dka | the problem is not the usb stick which is plug in USB2 port |
| 15:09.08 | dka | the problem is that I have no HARD drive available except SSD drive |
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| 15:09.22 | Wulf | dka: I see. It's possible to patch the .wim (?) windows installer files to include more drivers |
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| 15:09.29 | Wulf | dka: I don't remember exactly how, but it wasn't too hard |
| 15:09.35 | dka | Wulf, I have seen that, but then I need a windows available |
| 15:09.45 | dka | it is explained for windows here |
| 15:09.46 | dka | http://codeabitwiser.com/2014/03/how-to-install-windows-7-with-only-usb-3-0-ports/ |
| 15:09.48 | Wulf | dka: nope, I did that from my debian installation |
| 15:09.56 | dka | And one is explaining for linux dist here : https://r1ch.net/blog/windows-7-usb3-drivers-sysrescuecd |
| 15:11.24 | dka | I haven't been through step 1 : "Download the latest version of the SystemRescueCd (make sure it's in .iso format)." |
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| 15:17.39 | sZbcE8qNfG | strange |
| 15:17.46 | sZbcE8qNfG | suspend works....hibernate does not |
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| 15:19.46 | no_gravity | Hello! I'm trying to make the cursor of the mate terminal stop blinking. I already did what people suggest on the web: use gconf-editor to set cursor_blink_mode to off. But that has no effect. |
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| 15:22.34 | crazyisaac | Hey i have been trying to autorun Guake when i startx but it doesn´t work.I tried to use crontab and sudo cp /usr/share/applications/guake.desktop /etc/xdg/autostart/ too, but nothing works. Can someone help me? |
| 15:22.55 | dka | Is there a way to edit archive .wim or to create .wim from debian? |
| 15:22.59 | no_gravity | I found the cursor thing! There is a setting in the terminal for it :) |
| 15:23.38 | no_gravity | crazyisaac: Which WM? |
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| 15:24.16 | crazyisaac | no_gravity: Debian 9 |
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| 15:24.47 | greycat | crazyisaac: gnome? kde? xfce? i3? fvwm? |
| 15:24.52 | no_gravity | crazyisaac: You mean you use the WM (Window Manager) that Debian 9 suggests by default? |
| 15:25.05 | no_gravity | crazyisaac: I don't know which one that is. Personally, I use the Mate Desktop. |
| 15:25.24 | crazyisaac | no_gravity: im using fluxbox if is that what u mean |
| 15:25.57 | no_gravity | crazyisaac: Let me google that ... |
| 15:26.07 | crazyisaac | no_gravity: sure |
| 15:26.18 | n4dir | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:26.40 | no_gravity | crazyisaac: Yes, it seems to be a window manager. |
| 15:27.09 | crazyisaac | no_gravity: im so noob srry if i fail xdd |
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| 15:27.42 | no_gravity | crazyisaac: How do you start fluxbox? |
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| 15:27.59 | sZbcE8qNfG | do you think I should keep the new kernel or revert back since it did not help fix the resume issue? |
| 15:28.17 | no_gravity | crazyisaac: Well, I have to go. Good luck! |
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| 15:45.17 | galex-713 | Hi |
| 15:45.27 | kirk781 | Hi galex-713 |
| 15:47.23 | galex-713 | I now noticed these two actions (as root of course) turned the screen blank and the system unresponding: service gdm start, and startx |
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| 15:48.02 | galex-713 | I finally succeeded to boot by appending âsystemd.unit=multi-user.targetâ to linux so init doesnât run gdm itself |
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| 15:49.15 | galex-713 | I also noticed this problem only occur when I try to boot on this laptop, a thinkpad X60, with Libreboot (the free-software bios replacement): could that be linked to the absence of BIOS (it run directly grub, without seabios or any bios)? |
| 15:50.20 | galex-713 | when I boot this system under the other computer, a x60t, without libreboot (stock bios) it works |
| 15:51.03 | galex-713 | also, I observe the same problem on the live image I used to install this system: blank screen when X should load (though normally live image doesnât load the DM login screen) |
| 15:51.14 | galex-713 | oh sorry, normally itâs lightdm, not gdm |
| 15:51.32 | galex-713 | I *think* I tested service lightdm start, not gdm start |
| 15:51.35 | galex-713 | should I? |
| 15:52.07 | galex-713 | notice the graphical installation went fine |
| 15:52.29 | galex-713 | recall me: does graphical installation use xorg? does live image use lightdm? |
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| 15:55.19 | petn-randall | galex-713: yes, and maybe. I think it's gdm3 by default. |
| 15:56.05 | galex-713 | petn-randall: I think only lightdm is installed here |
| 15:56.56 | galex-713 | petn-randall: yes to what? to graphical installation using xorg? |
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| 16:04.49 | petn-randall | galex-713: yes |
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| 16:38.17 | sZbcE8qNfG | has anyone gotten vlc and screenlocking working together in MATE? |
| 16:38.40 | sZbcE8qNfG | when I watch a video fullscreen, MATE runs the screenlocker after a certain time |
| 16:38.55 | sZbcE8qNfG | vlc "disable screensaver" flag is already set |
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| 16:46.25 | mtn | sZbcE8qNfG: something in the power management settings? |
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| 16:49.30 | ws2k3 | update-grub shows me the sdb1 but this should be sdc1. how can i change this? /boot/grub/boot.cfg ? |
| 16:50.44 | petn-randall | ws2k3: The real question is "why aren't you using UUIDs yet?". |
| 16:51.01 | petn-randall | ws2k3: What is now sdb1 might be sda1 on next reboot. |
| 16:51.06 | jehorn | Yeah use UUID, blkid to get that. |
| 16:51.40 | ws2k3 | petn-randall cause i cloned the disk to a new disk. i already boot from the new disk. so grub is working there. but it still boots towards the old disk |
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| 16:52.45 | petn-randall | ws2k3: Use `blkid` to look up the UUID of the disk, and use that as reference. Using canonical names is not safe, as they can change with the kernel, disk order, and with the change of the wind. |
| 16:53.27 | ws2k3 | petn-randall i already changed the blkid in fstab. but i dont know what i should change in the grub.cfg |
| 16:53.37 | petn-randall | ws2k3: Your grub config is updated with `update-grub`, and it sources data from /etc/default/grub. |
| 16:54.11 | petn-randall | and maybe /etc/fstab, I guess. |
| 16:54.39 | petn-randall | I'm guessing `update-grub` is all you need for it to update. |
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| 16:54.54 | ws2k3 | i already tryed it when i ran update-grub it took the old disk |
| 16:55.22 | ws2k3 | petn-randall and there is no id in the /etc/default/grub |
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| 16:56.23 | petn-randall | "but it still boots towards the old disk" I don't know what you mean with that. |
| 16:56.42 | petn-randall | Did you update the UUIDs after cloning the disk? Otherwise the system won't be able to distinguish them. |
| 16:58.08 | ws2k3 | petn-randall i updates the UUID in fstab but not in grub |
| 16:58.32 | ws2k3 | "but it still boots towards the old disk" means that i ended up with a / from the old disk(mount) |
| 16:58.36 | petn-randall | ws2k3: No, those of the disk. If you didn't change them, then both the old and the new disk have the same UUID. |
| 16:59.10 | ws2k3 | petn-randall i just inserted a new disk. so it got a new UUID |
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| 16:59.33 | rydare | if you do task-sel GNOME does Debian install NetworkManager? I did LXQT and it installed conman |
| 17:00.12 | ws2k3 | petn-randall hmm.... yeah you are right. both have the same uuid in blkid |
| 17:00.31 | jehorn | I think it does install the gnome network manager if you do apt-get install task-gnome-desktop |
| 17:01.07 | rydare | ok, i installed networkmanager and uninstalled conman... network breifly went out until i restarted networkmanager |
| 17:03.04 | petn-randall | ws2k3: Yes, you need to change those. If it's GPT, you can simple run `sgdisk -R /dev/<disktochange>` |
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| 17:03.28 | petn-randall | Correction, `sgdisk -G /dev/<disktochange>` |
| 17:03.32 | petn-randall | Always check the man page :) |
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| 17:04.59 | lappet | hi guys |
| 17:05.33 | lappet | i just install debian alongside ubuntu, without grub. |
| 17:06.18 | lappet | i want to add debian to boot list on grub |
| 17:06.52 | petn-randall | lappet: You want to add Debian to Ubuntu's grub? |
| 17:06.53 | lappet | how can i do that ? |
| 17:06.54 | greycat | Pick one operating system to be the one that manages your grub configuration, and run update-grub in that OS. |
| 17:07.00 | jehorn | So you install GRUB in the Ubuntu install, then installed Debian? |
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| 17:07.10 | jehorn | Yeah, just about to say that |
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| 17:07.19 | tw | rustc made it to backports? we might even get ff esr60 =D |
| 17:07.31 | ws2k3 | petn-randall sgdisk command not found |
| 17:07.40 | kirk781 | Wait, one can install two Linux distros without configuring Grub? |
| 17:07.44 | lappet | jehorn: yup. something like that |
| 17:07.47 | greycat | ,v rustc |
| 17:07.48 | judd | Package: rustc on amd64 -- stretch: 1.14.0+dfsg1-3; buster: 1.28.0+dfsg1-2; sid: 1.28.0+dfsg1-2 |
| 17:08.09 | jehorn | Just run sudo update-grub in Ubuntu, it should find Debian automatically. |
| 17:08.23 | lappet | update-grub still dont get it right. |
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| 17:08.49 | lappet | i need to add the debian to boot menu for EFI conf |
| 17:09.09 | tw | mine says '1.24.1+dfsg1-1~deb9u2' |
| 17:09.11 | petn-randall | lappet: You'll have to ask in #ubuntu then how to chain-boot Debian. In Debian, that's all you need to do. |
| 17:09.39 | greycat | tw: maybe judd's out of sync, then |
| 17:09.46 | jehorn | Oh okay, yeah EFI is a whole different thing. |
| 17:09.50 | lappet | maybe its something to do with efibootmgr |
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| 17:11.00 | lappet | i want to follow efibootmgr guides (from internet). but i cant find *.efi file on my debian `/boot` dir. |
| 17:11.36 | greycat | if you're letting Ubuntu manage your grub configs, you really should be asking #ubuntu, not us |
| 17:11.50 | lappet | do i need to run `grub-install` on my debian? |
| 17:11.56 | petn-randall | The EFI PE32 executable comes from grub, so that's still a Ubuntu issue then. |
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| 17:13.09 | lappet | i've dont solve this issues till now. |
| 17:13.12 | lappet | i've installed some distro alongside debian some time ago |
| 17:13.33 | jhutchins_wk | lappet: update-grub should find and add any OS you have on the system. |
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| 17:14.32 | lappet | jhutchins_wk: i've searched way to do this when i use wheezy though |
| 17:15.02 | ws2k3 | petn-randall with tune2fs i assigned a new id |
| 17:16.22 | lappet | btw, sorry for my bad english |
| 17:16.40 | annadane | your english is fine |
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| 17:17.05 | lappet | annadane: thank you |
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| 17:19.16 | lappet | i'll try tricks from internet |
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| 17:21.26 | galex-713 | petn-randall: should I try with gdm? |
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| 17:24.10 | misirk85 | hello, i have issue with debian live non free usb stick |
| 17:25.06 | misirk85 | i write iso image using dd to usb, after it i reboot pc, usb is fine - botable, but wken i tries run live |
| 17:25.19 | misirk85 | its stopped in main menu |
| 17:26.13 | Lope | I've got nbd-server 3.15.2 on Debian 9. And I've got nbd-client 3.16.2 on Ubuntu 18.04. When I connect the client to server the nbd-server gets a segfault. |
| 17:26.22 | Lope | Is there a new version of nbd-server in backports? |
| 17:27.00 | jhutchins_wk | misirk85: Did you check the checksum of the image you downloaded? |
| 17:27.07 | greycat | ,v nbd-server |
| 17:27.08 | judd | Package: nbd-server on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.2-4~deb7u5; wheezy-security: 1:3.2-4~deb7u5; jessie-security: 1:3.8-4+deb8u1; jessie: 1:3.8-4+deb8u3; stretch: 1:3.15.2-3; buster: 1:3.18-1; sid: 1:3.18-1 |
| 17:27.15 | jhutchins_wk | misirk85: What do you mean by "main menu"? |
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| 17:28.14 | misirk85 | menu where i choose option bootable usb -> 1. run live 2-> install debian os etc |
| 17:28.30 | jhutchins_wk | lappet: Make sure you check the EFI documentation on the Debian wiki (and other pages). |
| 17:28.40 | misirk85 | i dont check checksum, i will check |
| 17:29.26 | misirk85 | i download from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/9.5.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 17:29.54 | sZbcE8qNfG | question, do backports require a similar line in apt sources for security updates: deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security |
| 17:30.03 | misirk85 | image debian-live-9.5.0-amd64-lxde+nonfree.iso |
| 17:30.20 | annadane | sZbcE8qNfG, no |
| 17:30.28 | awal1 | !backports |
| 17:30.28 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 17:30.47 | annadane | just the one line - deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-backports main contrib non-free |
| 17:30.57 | sZbcE8qNfG | oh ok thanks |
| 17:31.14 | misirk85 | checksum is ok |
| 17:31.17 | Lope | annadane, who are you talking to? |
| 17:31.19 | sZbcE8qNfG | i don't use contrib so no need to add that one |
| 17:31.31 | greycat | obviously she's talking to the guy who asked the backports question |
| 17:31.32 | sZbcE8qNfG | me |
| 17:31.37 | annadane | well, if you use non-free you need contrib |
| 17:31.37 | Lope | alright |
| 17:31.45 | sZbcE8qNfG | why? |
| 17:32.01 | annadane | because so many packages in contrib rely on non-free and vice versa |
| 17:32.04 | ws2k3 | when i run apt-get update i get Segmentation fault i already removed rm -rf /usr/bin/apt-listchanges/*.* and rm -rf /var/cache/apt/*.bin what can i do to debug this further |
| 17:32.24 | greycat | you can actually use contrib without non-free, but not the other way around |
| 17:32.30 | sZbcE8qNfG | the 2 packages I needed didn't have any dependencies in contrib (at least apt didn't warn me about it) |
| 17:32.54 | greycat | things in non-free (like intel-microcode) will depend on things in contrib (like iucode-tool) |
| 17:33.13 | sZbcE8qNfG | won't apt-get install packagefromnonfree complain about it |
| 17:33.42 | awal1 | a single word in sources file really matters? |
| 17:33.44 | awal1 | :P |
| 17:33.51 | annadane | it's really best to just add them regardless, it doesn't hurt anything |
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| 17:34.27 | ws2k3 | found this in the syslog segfault at b757bfff ip b74b2409 sp bfd79171 error 7 in libstdc++.so.6.0.22[b7406000+170000] |
| 17:34.39 | sZbcE8qNfG | oh ok, I'll add it...does this look OK: https://pastebin.com/raw/JG6be42i |
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| 17:35.31 | annadane | that's correct |
| 17:35.37 | sZbcE8qNfG | great thanks! |
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| 17:36.13 | misirk85 | enyone had similar issue? |
| 17:36.24 | annadane | for those with a true aversion to non-free or contrib software you can apt show foo where foo is the name of a package and under "section" it may say contrib or non-free |
| 17:36.51 | annadane | synaptic actually makes this easier, much as i hate to admit it |
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| 17:38.26 | annadane | (also the vrms package for already installed contrib and non-free packages) |
| 17:39.34 | sZbcE8qNfG | i see |
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| 17:44.17 | Lope | I'm trying to share a block device across my network but nbd-server keeps segfaulting. It's version 3.15.2 (latest) on Debian 9. I'm even trying on the same machine, same versions of nbd-client and nbd-server. `nbd-server -C /dev/null 0.0.0.0@1234 /dev/sdb1` `nbd-client 127.0.0.1 1234 /dev/nbd0 -persist` |
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| 17:44.57 | Lope | segfault at 0 ip 00007fef2196253e sp 00007fff1ebeeb88 error 4 in libc-2.24.so[7fef218d3000+195000] |
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| 17:49.37 | Wulf | Where can I download old packages for SID? |
| 17:49.43 | greycat | !snapshot |
| 17:49.43 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 17:50.16 | Wulf | greycat: thankyou! |
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| 17:51.44 | jhutchins_wk | !nbd |
| 17:51.44 | dpkg | it has been said that nbd is Network Block Device -- http://nbd.sf.net/ -- READ IT!! |
| 17:52.18 | galex-713 | petn-randall: re |
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| 18:07.35 | misirk85 | anyone? ;> :) |
| 18:08.19 | annadane | misirk85, you can try asking #debian-live on irc.oftc.net |
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| 18:10.17 | misirk85 | thank you annadane |
| 18:10.44 | annadane | i know someone suggested checking the checksum |
| 18:10.56 | misirk85 | i already check checksum is ok |
| 18:11.25 | misirk85 | when i reboot pc i make photo/movie what i see |
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| 19:00.57 | paw | hi, question. what's the way to get a list of keymaps on debian. localectl list-keymaps doesn't seem to work? |
| 19:02.12 | NetTerminalGene | anyone here uses pidgin as irc client? is it laggy? |
| 19:02.28 | diamondman | I went to install a new debian instance with disk encryption (Done it before), but the isos I downloaded don't have cryptsetup. Do I have to download it with anna or something? |
| 19:02.49 | annadane | !tias |
| 19:02.49 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 19:02.51 | annadane | NetTerminalGene, ^ |
| 19:03.05 | annadane | depends on your computer |
| 19:03.19 | diamondman | NetTerminalGene: I have not used it recently, but I don't remember there being any 'lag' issues |
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| 19:16.47 | awal1 | NetTerminalGene, if it is for irc stuff, hexchat is good |
| 19:17.12 | NetTerminalGene | i am bored from hexchat |
| 19:17.59 | awal1 | weechat if you like cli/tui mode |
| 19:19.01 | NetTerminalGene | i don't want cli |
| 19:19.29 | tsglove | lol |
| 19:19.36 | N3X15 | The problem with hexchat is that it uses GTK |
| 19:19.41 | N3X15 | and GTK is shiiiiiiit |
| 19:19.48 | NetTerminalGene | :| |
| 19:20.13 | N3X15 | and I thought this was another channel, apologies for the language |
| 19:21.02 | NetTerminalGene | anyone uses gajim here? someone suggested that |
| 19:21.11 | NetTerminalGene | gajim as irc client |
| 19:21.59 | N3X15 | gajim is an XMPP client, which is a different protocol |
| 19:22.02 | LtL | !anyone |
| 19:22.02 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 19:23.17 | awal1 | NetTerminalGene, what are you expecting to find in your "next" irc client? |
| 19:23.47 | NetTerminalGene | different interface |
| 19:23.53 | tsglove | dude, whatever we suggest, he'll have a "no because xyz" w/e |
| 19:23.55 | awal1 | lol |
| 19:24.45 | awal1 | gui clients are all similar |
| 19:25.01 | awal1 | jump to weechat/irssi |
| 19:25.25 | tsglove | no because text |
| 19:25.38 | NetTerminalGene | i like its looking https://gajim.org/imgs/groupchat_window.png |
| 19:25.40 | N3X15 | yeah, he already said that was a no-go |
| 19:25.50 | greycat | because xyz |
| 19:25.52 | N3X15 | NetTerminalGene, pidging might be a solution for you |
| 19:25.58 | N3X15 | pidgin*' |
| 19:26.02 | greycat | damn you, xyz!! |
| 19:26.15 | NetTerminalGene | it was lagging. i don't know the current situation |
| 19:26.34 | N3X15 | and that image is of an XMPP chat |
| 19:26.43 | N3X15 | which is not IRC |
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| 19:28.54 | awal1 | NetTerminalGene, in any irc client with a gui you'll have a channel tabs, , an user list section + tools menu/title bar if needed |
| 19:29.01 | awal1 | same fot tui/cli clients |
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| 19:29.51 | awal1 | if you remove the hexchat title bar and change from tree mode to tabs for channels you get exactly same look as gajim |
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| 19:31.45 | awal1 | not sure how to remove title bar under gnome, kde and other DE's |
| 19:31.56 | awal1 | easy when running just WM's |
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| 19:33.14 | awal1 | NetTerminalGene, if bored, try spending your time learning code, bash or anything constructive...:P |
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| 19:33.45 | greycat | I suggest learning a sane language before bash. |
| 19:35.20 | awal1 | fore example? |
| 19:35.22 | awal1 | :P |
| 19:35.48 | greycat | python seems to be the grudgingly accepted default choice |
| 19:35.58 | awal1 | hm |
| 19:36.13 | greycat | basically, not PHP, not BASIC, and not sh/bash |
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| 19:37.53 | FinalX | python is annoying with incompatibilities between 2.x and 3.x, libraries still often only available for 2.x and not 3.x, inconsistencies between versions with 2.x and within 3.x etc.. |
| 19:38.42 | FinalX | then again, golang is annoying with relying mostly on third-party libraries that can be riddled with malware and you often not realising when you pull them into your project that you're compiling :P |
| 19:38.50 | FinalX | but I like golang, and python.. :) |
| 19:41.40 | tsglove | I always suggest to beginners python. Even with the 2.x vs 3.x incompatibilities, it's a great language. |
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| 19:46.33 | Lope | when I run `nbd-server -C /dev/null 0.0.0.0@1234 /dev/sdb1` it forks and when a client connects, nbd-server segfaults. If I run it with -d appended meaning "don't fork" it works perfectly, I've tested many clients with local and remote clients, same version client and diff version. Any ideas? |
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| 19:46.55 | jhutchins_wk | Lope: What about nfs or cifs? |
| 19:47.05 | jhutchins_wk | !nbd |
| 19:47.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nbd is Network Block Device -- http://nbd.sf.net/ -- READ IT!! |
| 19:47.07 | Lope | jhutchins_wk, I need to share a block device |
| 19:47.37 | Lope | nfs and cifs don't work for block devices. |
| 19:49.04 | jhutchins_wk | Well, hard disks are block devices, aren't they? |
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| 19:50.45 | Lope | that's a nonsequitor |
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| 19:51.57 | Lope | You're raising a new irrelevant concept (hard disks) |
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| 20:04.27 | jhutchins_wk | Lope: ...which might imply that perhaps you should share more about your problem, like what the device you're sharing actually is. |
| 20:05.39 | jhutchins_wk | Lope: Perhaps I do not understand your definition of "block device". |
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| 20:05.52 | Lope | it's irrelevant. It works when not forking, and nbd-server crashes with the same options if it has forked. |
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| 20:06.17 | jhutchins_wk | Lope: If you know what the answer is, why are you asking here? |
| 20:07.10 | Lope | I can also ask nonsensical questions, if you're trying to help people, why do you ask for irrelevant information? |
| 20:08.05 | jhutchins_wk | Lope: Because it does not appear to me to be irrelevant. We often see people trying to do something with completely inappropriate methods, so we often ask for the background of the problem. |
| 20:08.09 | jhutchins_wk | !xy |
| 20:08.09 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 20:09.07 | jhutchins_wk | Lope: If your actual goal is to establish nbd so that you can learn how to use it then that implies different questions than if your goal is to share some storage. |
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| 20:13.44 | VinAlencc | Hello, guys! How are you? I just want to ask you something about iptables. I'm learning about firewall in GNU/Linux servers, and a topic mention /proc/net/ip_conntrack, but I can't find it in Debian 9. What happened with this file? Or which package do I need to install to have it installed into my system? Is there a alternative to this file? If so, which alternative? |
| 20:13.52 | VinAlencc | Thanks for your attention. |
| 20:14.13 | greycat | that's not a real file; /proc and /sys are virtual file systems that the kernel uses to present information about its internal state |
| 20:14.40 | VinAlencc | greycat: Well, this information was told me by a friend. |
| 20:14.43 | greycat | You probably have to run some kind of iptables command *first* before the kernel creates that virtual file to represent whatever it is. |
| 20:14.55 | VinAlencc | Got it |
| 20:15.27 | VinAlencc | Well... I'm going to look for it. Thanks, greycat. |
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| 20:16.20 | greycat | https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/conntrack/conntrack.8.en.html looks relevant. |
| 20:16.34 | greycat | "intended to replace the old /proc/net/ip_conntrack interface" |
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| 20:42.23 | jhutchins_wk | !iptables |
| 20:42.23 | dpkg | [iptables] The user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter. Ask me about <netfilter docs>. For a proper Debian-way of setting up iptables, see http://wiki.debian.org/iptables or ask me about <iptables-restore>. http://netfilter.org/ #netfilter on irc.freenode.net. See also <ferm>, <lartc>, <masq>, <ulogd>. |
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| 22:00.38 | zeratul976 | I tried asking this yesterday, but the channel was a bit... distracted... to answer, so let me try again: |
| 22:00.47 | zeratul976 | Yesterday was the end-of-support date for Firefox 52 ESR |
| 22:01.00 | zeratul976 | What is the ETA for releasing a Firefox 60 ESR package? |
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| 22:14.32 | Brigo | zeratul976, i think as soon as it is ready for release. |
| 22:14.39 | Brigo | It is in sid right now, i think |
| 22:14.43 | Brigo | ,v firefox-esr |
| 22:14.44 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; stretch: 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 52.8.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.9.0esr-1; sid: 60.2.0esr-1 |
| 22:15.26 | Brigo | zeratul976, or not :-/ https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/firefox-esr |
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| 22:24.01 | zeratul976 | Brigo: ah, interesting, there does seem to be some activity: 60.2 was just accepted into unstable today |
| 22:25.37 | Brigo | zeratul976, without an important bug it should reach testing in 5 days, but i don't know about those ongoing transitions. |
| 22:25.59 | Brigo | from testing it will reach stable throught backports. |
| 22:26.23 | Brigo | through* |
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| 23:50.34 | hemebond | Is this the appropriate place to ask an Apt question? I'm trying to install a package but it fails saying the dependency isn't going to be installed and I don't know how to tell it to install the dependencies. |
| 23:52.13 | hemebond | It might have something to do with one dependency repo having a higher priority but with a version too old to meet the requirements. |
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