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| 09:15.41 | Lyberta | hi, the widgets in LibreOffice look like win98, my other pc has better ones, how to change? |
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| 10:19.31 | Siorai | Is there a built binary of Python3.7 for debian stretch hiding out somewhere by chance? |
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| 10:43.22 | majest1c | The audio on my laptop doesn't work for some weird reason. All it says when I chose a device for sound output is "Dummy output". I have Debian 9 Stretch, gnome gui |
| 10:44.08 | Siorai | You just install debian on it? |
| 10:44.25 | majest1c | Siorai: Yes, a couple of days ago |
| 10:45.07 | majest1c | I don't seem to have anything with "alsa" installed. When I googled everyone kept saying things about alsa but it seems that alsa is broken or something for me |
| 10:48.25 | majest1c | cat /proc/asound/cards gives; "0 [HDMI ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel HDMI" and " HDA Intel HDMI at 0xf741c000 irq 50" |
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| 10:49.43 | at0m | majest1c: or you can aplay -l to list cards |
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| 10:51.03 | majest1c | at0m: How to solve the "Dummy output" thing? I have no sound now |
| 10:52.41 | majest1c | ill reboot my system now |
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| 11:07.17 | Siorai | So I guess here's the place to ask this: what's the deal with the different repos for Debian. I understand the idea behind having different ones for different versions of Debian, but what kind of dangers are involved with running stuff from the sid repo on my debian 9? |
| 11:08.22 | Siorai | Just a bit of possible instability? Just not tested extensively against debian 9 yet? |
| 11:08.41 | bazhang | Siorai, never mix repos |
| 11:09.16 | bazhang | way more than 'just a bit' |
| 11:10.14 | Siorai | bazhang so in the case of me wanting to run Python3.7 on debian 9 ( under the Windows Subsystem for Linux >.> ) I need to build it myself right? Which I'm more than okay with if that's the case.... |
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| 11:11.07 | at0m | dpkg: tell Siorai about bpo |
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| 11:11.46 | at0m | ,v python |
| 11:11.47 | judd | Package: python on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.7.3-4+deb7u1; jessie: 2.7.9-1; stretch: 2.7.13-2; buster: 2.7.15-3; sid: 2.7.15-3 |
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| 11:14.42 | at0m | ,v python3 |
| 11:14.43 | judd | Package: python3 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2.3-6; jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.3-1; buster: 3.6.5-3; sid: 3.6.6-1 |
| 11:14.51 | at0m | hmm no bpo? |
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| 11:15.39 | Siorai | https://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/python3.7/download is what I found |
| 11:18.09 | at0m | Siorai: yes, but that depends on all sorts of things from sid. backports do not, they work with what's in your debian version |
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| 11:20.19 | abrotman | There is also a large side effect of changing the default python on your system |
| 11:20.33 | abrotman | (if that was your intention) |
| 11:20.37 | Siorai | So most of my experience with Linux has come out CentOS 6/7 of all distros, I came onto debian fulltime because of the raspberry pi that a project I'm working on lives on. I know CentOS holds back major/minor versions of well... everything, for somethin' like 6+ months 'cause stability is such a big deal. |
| 11:21.51 | bites | get it from upstream, compile it and run it in a python virtualenv |
| 11:22.46 | Siorai | abrotman: naw, I do side by side installations, make altinstall and you get a python(major).(minor) binary to call when you need to. |
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| 11:23.58 | Siorai | is looking at the debian wiki for UpstreamGuide |
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| 11:28.49 | Siorai | See what prompted me to come in here is normally, if I don't find what I want/need on the repo, I just build it from source, no problem. Even if there are problems, I can usually find someway to fix them, but with this Python3.7 compilation, it's hanging to the point of needing to kill the process when it goes through the tests as part of the post-build process. And I'm sure if it's the |
| 11:28.49 | Siorai | Python3.7 build ( which does build successfully) the test being borked, something strange with debian 9, or the fact that I'm running it all under the Windows Susbsystem for Linux. And I'm unsure on how to go about figuring it out, lol |
| 11:30.12 | at0m | Siorai: maybe that's why there's no backport for python3.7 |
| 11:31.20 | Siorai | Well, in the spirit of open source and contributions, I'd love to figure out what exactly is messing up the process. lol |
| 11:33.00 | Siorai | I've actually been messing around with 3.7 since the first dev release on my Centos7 machine for quite a while, which makes me think it's got something to do with the WSL. I've just never had any issues with it up to this point. |
| 11:33.22 | bites | it gets stuck on make test? |
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| 11:35.57 | bites | python 3.7 definitely builds on debian 9. |
| 11:37.44 | abrotman | Siorai: this seems easy to test, use a real VM and try to compile it ? |
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| 11:38.47 | Siorai | Yeah, I guess I could, no VM on this machine,but if the build fails right now, I'll definitely give that a try. |
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| 11:39.41 | dka | I am trying to move from an org to another a ldap user using ldif : https://paste.gnome.org/ppijvty0f it does not work, is there a way to move my LDAP user from an org to another ? |
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| 11:41.59 | abrotman | dka: there's a #ldap or #openldap where you might get more help (though they're smaller) |
| 11:42.13 | dka | ok |
| 11:44.58 | Siorai | decides to configure and build Python3.7 on the raspberry pi too |
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| 11:45.08 | Siorai | Hah! It configured faster! |
| 11:47.42 | Siorai | ... actually a -lot- faster. Like, half the time. Interesting. |
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| 11:51.59 | abrotman | So we can blame Windows? |
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| 11:53.52 | Siorai | abrotman that and the fact that my rpi is running literally nothing on it with my desktop is rocking 4 screens on only 8gb of ram. lol |
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| 12:04.56 | Siorai | Ooo, there's quite a few differences in what the ./configure found on the pi vs the WSL .... Interesting.... |
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| 13:38.19 | algun|home | Does anyone else find that copying to USB stick in Nautilus behaves weirdly? |
| 13:39.04 | algun|home | I understand when it goes up to 100% and hangs (fsync). But why would it stop in the middle of the file? |
| 13:39.11 | algun|home | Pause, whatever |
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| 13:39.30 | mirak | hi |
| 13:39.39 | mirak | does it makes sense to run apache in docker ? |
| 13:40.04 | apollo13 | you should be able to answer that on your own, if not probably no |
| 13:40.48 | mirak | it's just I installed owncloud with docker already |
| 13:41.02 | algun|home | Don't containers contain the bannana and the world that you monkey needs? Isn't Apache the world? |
| 13:41.12 | apollo13 | wonders whether docker or owncloud is the bigger problem |
| 13:41.13 | algun|home | *gorilla |
| 13:41.43 | mirak | any answer is accepted |
| 13:41.55 | mirak | I just need apache to create a virtualhost |
| 13:42.12 | mirak | ok, will install it with the debs |
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| 13:50.00 | n4dir | i would check if cp has the same problems like nautilus. |
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| 14:15.39 | tvm_ | mirak: i saw it used like that several times |
| 14:15.48 | tvm_ | mostly in order to support various php versions |
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| 14:21.15 | petn-randall | mirak: It depends on what you want to do. If you want to run a webserver, apache2 would be one of several good choices. If you're trying to get owncloud running, maybe not so. Anything you change in the container will be lost on container upgrade, unless it's saved on persistent storage. |
| 14:22.38 | uniqdom | Hello. I have messed my $PATH for root account. Can somebody please share the output of 'echo $PATH' for its root user in Debian? |
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| 14:22.57 | petn-randall | uniqdom: On stable? |
| 14:23.11 | petn-randall | !tell uniqdom -about crosspost |
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| 14:23.40 | iflema | about- |
| 14:24.34 | uniqdom | I'm really sorry petn-randall |
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| 14:26.04 | iflema | uniqdom: are you on testing? |
| 14:26.48 | iflema | repos |
| 14:26.57 | petn-randall | We're continuing the discussion with uniqdom on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, feel free to join over there. |
| 14:27.00 | uniqdom | yes, i'm in testing. people in the other channel are helping me. thanks. |
| 14:27.37 | iflema | :D |
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| 14:34.28 | rgr | help! I set up zsh as my default (chsh) on my laptop remotely the other day and all was ok. I had an Xresources file loaded with xrdb -merge caleld from my. zshrc. Now I'm at home (without my laptop) Im doing the same on my desktop. The issue is that my first terminal I open the Xresources setting are not "visible" even though xrdb -query says they are set. If I quit the terminal and then restart it then my Xresource |
| 14:34.28 | rgr | settings are visible. What could be causing this? (I logged the loading of .zshrc, .zprofile and all seems to be in order and xrdb -mereg is definitely called when opening the terminal (urxvt if that is relevant). |
| 14:34.58 | rgr | s/mereg/merge |
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| 14:42.17 | petn-randall | rgr: It's not clear what the issue is. So you're calling `xrdb -merge`, and you're also seeing the change, and `xrdb -query` also shows that the change happened? |
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| 14:57.21 | rgr | Login to gnome. I then hit a keybinding to exec my own editor script. This runs urxvt which opens with my default shell ZSH. I have logged from .zshrc that the .zshrc is source. In that file I have a "xrdb -merge .Xresources". "xrdb -query" in that terminal shows the Xresources have been set properly but the terminal itself is not using these. if I exit and then run it again the terminal displays correctly utilising those |
| 14:57.21 | rgr | resources. I'm stumped. |
| 14:58.16 | rgr | (as a side note the dot files for gnome/x etc are a minefield but I have a good handle on it generally). |
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| 15:07.54 | rydare | rgr: you could add a startup command in gnome-tweak-tool to do 'xrdb .Xresources' etc |
| 15:08.04 | rydare | that way it does it when GNOME starts, before you open any terminals |
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| 15:11.25 | rgr | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.00 | rgr | actually no, I wont. I added it to .profile which is sourced from zprofile. zprofile IS sourced when I login too (remember my default shell is zsh set with chsh). |
| 15:13.27 | rgr | and it doesnt work from there either. first terminal open is default font. second opening uses my .Xresources font. |
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| 15:14.52 | rgr | wow. very quiet here today. Haven't popped in for ages. |
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| 15:17.52 | Siorai | Well, I shut up once I realized that my failed python3.7 build was probably due to one or more of the -252- packages that had an update available. |
| 15:19.03 | Siorai | I run sudo apt-get update regularly, adn thought I had recently but either I hadn't... or, maybe 'apt update' is completely different? *shrugs* |
| 15:19.33 | Habbie | Siorai, 'update' does not update packages |
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| 15:20.28 | Siorai | I know, it updates the list of packages. |
| 15:20.33 | Siorai | the local one. |
| 15:20.57 | Siorai | Still, -252- is a shitload. |
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| 15:21.41 | Siorai | Specially because this particular debian install doesn't really have a whole lot, haven't had it long enough, it's just a termal. |
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| 15:22.39 | rgr | to support that terminal involves a lot of stuff.. one key library change means a lot of other things must chance in sync. So it life. |
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| 16:12.06 | sZbcE8qNfG | I want to make a complaint against this package: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/redshift |
| 16:12.19 | sZbcE8qNfG | Do I just send an email to the 2 maintainers? |
| 16:12.35 | jmd | sZbcE8qNfG: I think you can file a bug. But "complaints" generally go to /dev/null |
| 16:12.52 | annadane | no, you file a bug against the package with severity "wishlist" |
| 16:13.14 | at0m | Siorai: apt update && apt upgrade |
| 16:13.17 | sZbcE8qNfG | oh ok.....because it's making geoclue mandatory, redshift can run without that anti-freedom viruslike package |
| 16:13.36 | annadane | i disagree with your premise but if you feel that strongly about it, then do what i said |
| 16:13.51 | sZbcE8qNfG | i logged the traffic on bootup....geoclue is sending data to a AWS server |
| 16:13.57 | Siorai | at0m well, it didn't matter, still hanging at the same place. |
| 16:14.08 | sZbcE8qNfG | maybe you think it's ok but I don;t |
| 16:14.15 | annadane | fine. then file a wishlist bug. |
| 16:14.15 | at0m | sZbcE8qNfG: i entered my lat/long manually |
| 16:14.23 | sZbcE8qNfG | I entered it too..it still sends |
| 16:14.26 | at0m | sZbcE8qNfG: no need to use geoclue |
| 16:14.29 | Siorai | Now I'm trying a debug build. |
| 16:14.37 | sZbcE8qNfG | I disabled the service, it still sends |
| 16:14.45 | jmd | Disconnect your network. |
| 16:14.48 | at0m | sZbcE8qNfG: oh does it? ok that's worth a bugreport then |
| 16:14.48 | sZbcE8qNfG | until I removed that garbage, it keeps sending to AWS |
| 16:15.12 | sZbcE8qNfG | the dependency should be changed to recommended instead of required |
| 16:15.26 | sZbcE8qNfG | AWS is evil |
| 16:15.32 | sZbcE8qNfG | i do not wish to help it machine learn |
| 16:15.43 | jmd | I've no idea what AWS is. |
| 16:15.49 | jmd | Automatic Warning System ? |
| 16:15.50 | sZbcE8qNfG | amazon web $ervices |
| 16:15.50 | at0m | jmd: amazon cloud |
| 16:16.00 | sZbcE8qNfG | yeah |
| 16:16.11 | jmd | Ahh yes. Anything associated with Amazon is evil. |
| 16:16.11 | sZbcE8qNfG | this goes against unix philosophy |
| 16:16.27 | annadane | sZbcE8qNfG, ok, but please don't turn it into an extended rant in this channel |
| 16:16.36 | sZbcE8qNfG | ok I will file that report, thanks for the info |
| 16:16.38 | annadane | file a wishlist bug and be done with it |
| 16:16.44 | at0m | sZbcE8qNfG: like i said, i agree on that bugreport |
| 16:16.46 | jmd | I dunno what "unix philosophy" is. |
| 16:17.01 | petn-randall | sZbcE8qNfG: What are you talking about? geoclue-2.0 is already not a requirement. |
| 16:17.29 | annadane | it's in recommends, yeah, not a requirement |
| 16:17.48 | sZbcE8qNfG | hmmm....weird, I could've sworn it was required |
| 16:17.55 | sZbcE8qNfG | maybe my eyes deceived...it was 5am lol |
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| 16:18.06 | sZbcE8qNfG | oops nm then |
| 16:18.08 | annadane | though yes by default recommends get installed |
| 16:18.25 | petn-randall | Then surely the first thing is to complain in here before actually checking? |
| 16:18.26 | jmd | sZbcE8qNfG: If you want an OS which really respects your freedom and your privacy and at the same time is technically brilliant, try GuixSD. |
| 16:18.36 | annadane | uh. |
| 16:18.38 | annadane | or debian |
| 16:18.42 | annadane | just saying... |
| 16:19.01 | annadane | not to devolve into distro wars or anything |
| 16:19.19 | at0m | seems gnome-settings-daemon breaks if i try to remove libgeoclue-2.0 |
| 16:19.30 | Siorai | Well.... Altered Carbon's a decent scifi show at least. And that's on amazon. |
| 16:19.35 | annadane | debian at least has a social contract |
| 16:19.38 | sZbcE8qNfG | i cannot believe most users are fine with enabling this virus |
| 16:19.50 | sZbcE8qNfG | it is literally uploading data to some AWS server |
| 16:19.54 | annadane | sigh |
| 16:19.54 | jmd | ... Well I'm pretty sure they don't "recommend" anything which spies on the users. |
| 16:19.55 | petn-randall | sZbcE8qNfG: I would however suggest that you file a bug report so that it gets demoted from "recommended" to "suggsted". I can imagine the maintainer agreeing if you bring up convincing arguments. |
| 16:19.58 | sZbcE8qNfG | both AWS and whoever runs it can see the data |
| 16:20.01 | annadane | deletes hexchat forever |
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| 16:20.13 | sZbcE8qNfG | ok end rant |
| 16:20.48 | petn-randall | "the data" being a TCP connection requesting geoiplookup of where the IP should be geographically. |
| 16:20.55 | sZbcE8qNfG | the maintainer won't do that because have you see how many complains there are for redshift NOT working with geoclue? |
| 16:21.35 | annadane | *you* don't need to use geoclue; you can specify your own coordinates manually |
| 16:21.39 | at0m | 130MB removed thanks to removing libgeoclue :> |
| 16:21.59 | sZbcE8qNfG | yes now I run it manually, works perfectly |
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| 16:22.36 | sZbcE8qNfG | now the only bootup external contact is the NTP server which I'm OK with |
| 16:22.56 | sZbcE8qNfG | if you give an inch, they will take a mile |
| 16:23.16 | petn-randall | ⦠|
| 16:24.46 | jmd | sZbcE8qNfG: Or to put it in modern terms. If you give 2.54mm they will take 1.43km |
| 16:26.28 | Siorai | mmm I'd love to get rid of imperial measurements, ditto with Daylight Savings Time. |
| 16:27.05 | at0m | !ot |
| 16:27.05 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 16:27.09 | petn-randall | Siorai: The EU voted on that recently, but that's best discussed on #debian-offtopic. |
| 16:27.49 | jmd | Siorai: Quite right. It confuses the cows and makes the curtains fade. |
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| 16:30.09 | Siorai | I wonder if Debian even supports the WSL at all. |
| 16:30.39 | Habbie | Siorai, debian for WSL is in the windows store, if that answers your question |
| 16:31.00 | bites | debian supports what you can download from debian.org |
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| 17:45.18 | jelly | !wsl |
| 17:45.18 | dpkg | https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Microsoft/Windows/SubsystemForLinux, or irc channel #debian-wsl on <OFTC> |
| 17:52.34 | Siorai | oh huh! |
| 17:52.43 | Siorai | much obliged jelly! |
| 17:54.27 | Siorai | Oooo never been on that server before... |
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| 18:22.07 | Sansar | hello, I am trying to make macchanger work again, but ip set link wlp3s0 down doesn't work |
| 18:22.19 | Sansar | how can I disable network interface? |
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| 18:25.37 | gopal__ | debian netinstall supports usb tethering (mobile) ? |
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| 18:45.35 | jelly | gopal__, probably depends on whether the usb device looks like ethernet or like a modem |
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| 19:19.56 | ralpheeee | with my source list and security updates ...can i just add "..../debian stable-updates" or does it have to be "..../debian stretch-updates"? |
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| 19:59.23 | ralpheeee | anyway just to dl xsetroot searching gives me x11-xserver-utils with a lots of other packages? |
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| 20:29.26 | SerajewelKS | are there any pitfalls to an unbalanced raid? |
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| 20:29.51 | SerajewelKS | e.g. a RAID1 with two devices: 6TB drive and a RAID0 over two 3TB drives |
| 20:30.08 | SerajewelKS | so RAID1(6TB, RAID0(3TB, 3TB)) |
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| 21:03.16 | Pr0metheus | hi, I installed the GNU linux kernel and my system boots ok. Now when i tried to remove the previous (4.18) kernel I see that irqbalance is not required. Anyone knows if this will have a performance effect? |
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| 21:42.25 | SerajewelKS | Pr0metheus: what do you mean by "the GNU linux kernel?" using the debian package, or some other mechanism? |
| 21:42.43 | SerajewelKS | if a package, which one? |
| 21:43.04 | Pr0metheus | SerajewelKS no I added a repository other than Debian, just asking in case someone knows about it |
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| 21:48.06 | SerajewelKS | to be fair, irqbalance was never a dependency. it's a "recommends" of debian kernel packages. |
| 21:48.26 | SerajewelKS | i do not know what kind of kernel support is required, nor whether debian's irqbalance will work with a third-party kernel |
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| 22:10.43 | pldiem | hi, was anyone able to connect bluetooth headset? |
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| 22:11.11 | pldiem | I am trying for like 6 hours, no luck |
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| 22:20.03 | rydare | pldiem: what Desktop are you using? do other bluetooth devices work? |
| 22:23.00 | pldiem | GNOME, I am able to connect with my phone, or at least I was, and I did for a while with my headset but only with output, I started working on mic, and now nothing works |
| 22:23.05 | pldiem | I can see the device |
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| 22:23.14 | pldiem | I cannot change profile from OFF |
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| 22:24.05 | pldiem | to see the device in pulseaudio |
| 22:24.13 | pldiem | I have to run "sudo systemctl restart bluetooth" |
| 22:24.42 | pldiem | but if when I change profile there from Off device will disconnect |
| 22:24.50 | pldiem | and I have do it again |
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| 22:24.56 | pldiem | run command etc. |
| 22:25.22 | pldiem | vicious cycle :( |
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