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| 09:59.20 | rakor | Ah... ok, I see... SO after a switch, better wait few weeks before switching to the "new testing" ? |
| 09:59.27 | jelly | rakor: you'll keep on testing, but it will probably get very broken |
| 09:59.32 | jelly | rakor: yes |
| 09:59.44 | rakor | Thats good to know :) Thanks |
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| 10:00.40 | dka | Is anybody familiar with OpenLDAP ACL? I can't understand why a particular user can't search of user from a part of the ldap tree |
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| 11:06.14 | dutchfish | dka, you have to ask the right questions. Make sure, thta your ldap query has the appropriate role to do so. |
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| 11:07.36 | dka | dutchfish, this my current olcAccess rules : https://paste.gnome.org/pujtfkwje |
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| 11:08.03 | dka | I have added a new user, and I am trying to give him read access to a part of my ldap tree |
| 11:08.08 | dka | This is the rules I am trying to add: |
| 11:08.20 | dka | olcAccess: {2}to dn.children="o=suborg,dc=example,dc=com" by dn.exact="cn=workstation,ou=applications,dc=example,dc=com" read |
| 11:08.38 | dka | But ldapsearch doesn't return anything using the workstation user |
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| 11:09.19 | dutchfish | dka, since i dont know how your schema files are organized i can only hint from what i can see. keyword: forest |
| 11:09.20 | dka | The ldap query look like: |
| 11:09.42 | dka | ldapsearch -ZZ -x -H ldap://ldap.example.com -D "cn=workstation,ou=applications,o=suborg,dc=example,dc=com" -W -LLL -s sub '(&(uid=dka))' |
| 11:09.58 | dka | it return No such object (32) while with admin account it return an object |
| 11:10.24 | dka | How is the keyword supposed to help |
| 11:10.32 | dutchfish | dka, i gues it top down, not bottoms up |
| 11:10.58 | dka | I have tried to place {2} in {1} and {1} in {2} |
| 11:10.59 | dutchfish | dka, any dc is part of a forest nowadays. Again, check your schema files. |
| 11:11.02 | dka | I did lose completely access to my ldap |
| 11:11.58 | dutchfish | dka, have you checked out https://ldapwiki.com/wiki/LDAP%20Query%20Examples ? |
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| 11:13.16 | dka | dutchfish, the problem do not come from the query |
| 11:13.20 | dka | the problem come from the ACL |
| 11:13.59 | dka | ACL is a rules generally stored in olcDatabase={1}mdb,cn=config |
| 11:14.54 | dka | This is the current ACL schema : https://paste.gnome.org/p3zrljvwv |
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| 11:16.26 | dka | This is how I created the new user : https://paste.gnome.org/pwvfemylf |
| 11:16.44 | dka | I want this user to have access to a particular part of the ldap tree, I have configured this acl : |
| 11:16.56 | dutchfish | dka, make sure the <who> has scdx for the search ATTR |
| 11:17.05 | dka | olcAccess: {2}to dn.subtree="dc=example,dc=com" by dn="cn=workstation,ou=applications,dc=example,dc=com" read by * none |
| 11:17.23 | dka | scdx? |
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| 11:17.37 | dutchfish | dka, https://www.openldap.org/doc/admin24/access-control.html |
| 11:17.58 | dutchfish | (privilidges) |
| 11:18.27 | dutchfish | privileges* sorry for the typos |
| 11:18.35 | dka | ok |
| 11:18.48 | dka | I will update `olcAccess: {2}to dn.subtree="dc=example,dc=com" by dn="cn=workstation,ou=applications,dc=example,dc=com" read by * none ` |
| 11:18.59 | dka | With `olcAccess: {2}to dn.subtree="dc=example,dc=com" by dn="cn=workstation,ou=applications,dc=example,dc=com" read by dn="cn=workstation,ou=applications,dc=example,dc=com" search by * none ` |
| 11:19.42 | dutchfish | dka, so in short, learn forest(s), make sure your query matching your schematics, do the right order. and user has the correct search ATTR. |
| 11:20.19 | dutchfish | dka, dont give admin rights away unnecesary |
| 11:20.37 | dutchfish | dka, ldap is ment to be read-only |
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| 11:23.08 | dka | dutchfish, https://paste.gnome.org/pjck5jt4n |
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| 11:23.39 | hans_ | where is the debian testing channel? |
| 11:23.42 | hans_ | debian 10 channel |
| 11:24.05 | hans_ | nvm, OFTC |
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| 11:24.42 | dka | This is the current schema: https://paste.gnome.org/pwrqv1hxw |
| 11:25.02 | dka | dutchfish, I have applied scdx as you can see |
| 11:25.41 | dka | If you know how I could solve this and create a less public user for part of our ldap, I would be really glad. I've been through the documentation and I need to have an example. |
| 11:25.54 | dka | I have a basic task I can accomplished, my feeling is that I am bad. Is that me? |
| 11:26.16 | hans_ | less public? what do you mean? |
| 11:26.56 | dka | I mean that In case the password is being corrupt |
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| 11:27.18 | dka | I don't want to expose the whole db |
| 11:27.31 | dka | it would have been appreciated to have more than 1 read only user, depending on which part of the tree you are in |
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| 11:31.49 | dka | dutchfish, ? |
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| 11:36.53 | dutchfish | dka, i am trying to find an example. But fail so far ..... |
| 11:37.24 | dka | I am about to giving up, that's not the first time I see myself trying to understand the ACL documentation for OpenLDAP |
| 11:37.52 | dka | OpenLDAP is easy as soon as you know. Otherwise, you can spend hours without understanding because of lake of examples. |
| 11:38.13 | dutchfish | dka, yes it is a bit of a Pita, are you trying to do this on AD? or have you installed your own ldap server? |
| 11:38.28 | dka | I have a OpenLDAP server |
| 11:38.44 | dka | I am doing this using ldapsearch/ldapmodify/ldapwhoami/.... |
| 11:39.03 | dutchfish | dka, i eat my head if it isn't some wrong schema files then |
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| 11:40.02 | dutchfish | dka, dont give up, just make sure to be precise in that https://www.openldap.org/doc/admin23/schema.html |
| 11:40.36 | dka | I will learn that page by hearth, give me 10 min |
| 11:40.39 | dutchfish | dka, and i asumed this is all Debian/Stable, right? |
| 11:40.49 | dka | I know it wont solve the probleme, I just want to show you I can read a documentation |
| 11:41.06 | dka | It is all Debian stable |
| 11:41.22 | dutchfish | dka, i believe you. But i have made many mistakes on setup myself. It is very easy to make a few. |
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| 11:41.58 | abrotman | dka: you didn't have luck in the ldap-related channels? |
| 11:42.11 | dka | It's sunday, everyone sleep |
| 11:42.19 | dka | I took my sunday for working on ldap |
| 11:42.56 | abrotman | Brave! :) |
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| 11:45.27 | dutchfish | dka, one more thing that might be helpfull to trace it down https://directory.apache.org/studio/ |
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| 11:46.28 | dutchfish | dka, it contains also examples and proper doc |
| 11:46.43 | dka | dutchfish =/ |
| 11:46.47 | dka | doc doc doc doc doc |
| 11:46.53 | dka | I've spend my day on doc |
| 11:46.58 | dka | Sorry I am giving up |
| 11:47.02 | dka | see ya tomorrow |
| 11:47.09 | dutchfish | dka, good luck |
| 11:48.19 | dka | I can't believe there is not a single man on earth that has written a descent article regarding ACL and ldap |
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| 11:52.06 | dutchfish | dka, last try https://medium.com/@moep/keeping-your-sanity-while-designing-openldap-acls-9132068ed55c |
| 11:52.51 | dutchfish | dka, i did it on groups instead of users |
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| 12:07.46 | hexhaxtron | I'm offering many services for free including Web Host on my Debian system. How can I promote my server? |
| 12:09.01 | abrotman | not here |
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| 12:19.42 | at0m | hexhaxtron: maybe ask in #debian-offtopic, since that isnt a debian support problem |
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| 12:27.07 | EdePopede | firefox-esr 60.2 was just offered to me, so i looked into the server. 60.1 is also there, but only as a .tar.xz archive. does it mean it wasn't readily debianized for a go? |
| 12:27.47 | hexhaxtron | at0m: thanks! |
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| 13:10.21 | gopal__ | https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/10387667/ is present in debian 9.5? |
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| 13:23.53 | pldiem | I am still looking for help with config of bluetooth headset, anyone? :) |
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| 13:24.33 | bites | please describe your problem and what software you are using to connect. |
| 13:26.35 | pldiem | I am able to connect to my headset, using build in bluetooth or blueman, for a while I had even sound through a2dp, I had to do "sudo systemctl restart bluetooth" but worked, then I started working on mic and right now nothing works |
| 13:26.59 | pldiem | I cannot change Profile from Off, every time I try to use different profile I am disconnected |
| 13:27.39 | NetTerminalGene | ,v firefox |
| 13:27.40 | judd | Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 62.0-1 |
| 13:27.57 | NetTerminalGene | ,v firefox-esr |
| 13:27.58 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; stretch: 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 52.8.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.9.0esr-1; sid: 60.2.0esr-1 |
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| 13:29.17 | dob1 | hi, can someone help me to understand how to mange openvpn with systemd on stretch? I have the client config file (client.conf) in /etc/openvpn/client but when? what to do? |
| 13:29.40 | bites | pldiem: disconnect all devices. when you right-click on the blueman-applet then go to "Devices", then right click on your headset and select Connect To: Audio Sink while your headset is turned on and searching for a connection, what happens? |
| 13:31.33 | pldiem | I did that, and it connected |
| 13:31.56 | pldiem | but I cannot see my headset in audio settings or pulseaudio |
| 13:32.07 | pldiem | now I have to run "sudo systemctl restart bluetooth" |
| 13:32.15 | pldiem | and reconnect |
| 13:32.25 | dob1 | I tried systemctl start systemctl enable openvpn-client@client1.service and this gave me Created symlink /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/openvpn-client@client1.service â /lib/systemd/system/openvpn-client@.service |
| 13:32.26 | pldiem | now I will see the device |
| 13:32.42 | pldiem | but when I will try to change profile from Off |
| 13:32.43 | dob1 | ops: systemctl enable openvpn-client@client1.service |
| 13:32.46 | pldiem | I will be disconnected |
| 13:33.20 | pldiem | and I had to do everything again :( |
| 13:33.29 | pldiem | *have to |
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| 13:45.58 | sZbcE8qNfG | hello, if I had firmware-atheros installed from stable and then I install from backports (apt-get -t stretch-backports install firmware-atheros).....what happens? like which firmware is used? |
| 13:46.43 | dvs | sZbcE8qNfG, the one from backports. |
| 13:47.12 | sZbcE8qNfG | don't I need to apt-get purge firmware-atheros from stable? |
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| 13:47.31 | dvs | no |
| 13:47.42 | sZbcE8qNfG | oh ok |
| 13:48.17 | sZbcE8qNfG | I installed a new kernel apt-get -t stretch-backports install linux-image-amd64. To later update to the new backports kernel, do I run the same exact command? |
| 13:49.03 | bites | the kernel packages have different names. they can be installed at the same time. linux-image-amd64 is just a metapackage. |
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| 13:49.48 | sZbcE8qNfG | yep but when linux-image-amd64 in backports points to a newer version of the kernel than the one I had installed from backports....do I run the same command? |
| 13:50.40 | bites | not sure what you are asking. |
| 13:50.45 | sZbcE8qNfG | ok letme clarify |
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| 13:51.09 | bites | that command will get you the latest kernel from backports. |
| 13:51.11 | dvs | sZbcE8qNfG, if you update the llinux-image-amd64 package from backports, it will always update the kernel from backports |
| 13:51.47 | sZbcE8qNfG | example: backports linux-image-amd64 points to kernel 4.9. 1 week later, it is updated to 5.0. What happens to the linux-image-amd64 backports kernel I installed a week ago? How will that update from 4.9 to 5.0? |
| 13:52.10 | sZbcE8qNfG | will it be included in apt-get full-upgrade or do I need to run some other command |
| 13:52.18 | bites | you will have an additional kernel installed, the old one stays. |
| 13:52.56 | bites | and it will fail if you have not enough space in /boot/ |
| 13:53.02 | sZbcE8qNfG | ok, so after I install the new kernel from backports. If backports receives a NEWER version 1 week later....apt-get full-upgrade will install that newer version |
| 13:53.22 | sZbcE8qNfG | oh ok |
| 13:53.27 | dob1 | how can I ask systemd to generate the service for openvpn ? openvpn-client@conf1.service |
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| 13:54.07 | dob1 | It is not automatic? |
| 13:54.45 | bites | services with @ in them are templates. if you start openvpn-client@conf1.service it starts the service from that template with conf1 as an argument. if that's the answer you are looking for. |
| 13:58.37 | NetTerminalGene | ,v mesa |
| 13:58.39 | judd | No package named 'mesa' was found in amd64. |
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| 16:14.42 | zprd | hi/ any plan for bringing lxc 3 on buster any time soon? |
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| 16:17.32 | KaffeeKatrin | Hello hello, how do I install gnome3 from upstream in Debian stretch? |
| 16:18.06 | mtn | KaffeeKatrin: basically you don't |
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| 16:18.42 | KaffeeKatrin | mtn: But what if I want to do it anyways? |
| 16:19.05 | KaffeeKatrin | mtn: I've built this franken debian with the latest backport kernels! |
| 16:19.09 | mtn | KaffeeKatrin: good luck. totally not supported and will most likely break everything |
| 16:19.12 | KaffeeKatrin | It runs on super recent nvidia drivers |
| 16:19.21 | KaffeeKatrin | But it's still xorg |
| 16:19.28 | KaffeeKatrin | And I want it to run in the gnome3 composter |
| 16:19.28 | mtn | KaffeeKatrin: backports are safe. non-debian repos are not |
| 16:19.38 | KaffeeKatrin | mtn: TherE's no gnome3 in backports |
| 16:19.44 | KaffeeKatrin | I could download the source from buster |
| 16:19.45 | mtn | KaffeeKatrin: indeed |
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| 16:19.56 | mtn | KaffeeKatrin: what was the first thing I said? |
| 16:19.56 | KaffeeKatrin | mtn: Should I just grab the stuff from buster? |
| 16:20.05 | mtn | KaffeeKatrin: nope. not supported |
| 16:20.55 | mtn | KaffeeKatrin: if you really want it, why not upgrade to buster? |
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| 16:22.15 | bites | ,checkbackport gnome |
| 16:22.16 | judd | Backporting package gnome in sidâstretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, stretch-backports. |
| 16:22.22 | bites | !ssb |
| 16:22.22 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 16:22.32 | bites | KaffeeKatrin: you can try if you want. ^ |
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| 16:32.40 | EdePopede | keyboard handling seem to be by far more complicated that in the past. is there a paper / wiki / blog entry explaining how it works in an actual debian? |
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| 16:40.27 | EdePopede | i had T2 layout before, now it seems to be T3. seem at least to have more layers and some things moved to another key. and typing unicode characters by code works now finally in hexchat (input method is "simple" now, there is also "none" "system (x input method)" and some more not language/coutry related), but not in say, firefox or mousepad. though in hexchat now i to get '@' it is C-S<u><4 0> instead of |
| 16:40.27 | EdePopede | C-S<ua><4 0> as before. and layout in the terminal also seems to be closer to layout in X than before. and then there's this IBus thing still don't get why it was installed... |
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| 19:28.35 | petn-randall | hays: I see. And what's your question? |
| 19:28.56 | bites | check in /etc/logrotate.d/ if you have a config for that. then with dpkg -S /etc/logrotate.d/<file> check what package it's from. otherwise just remove it. |
| 19:29.51 | foldy | hi do anybody know about any problem with mounting a lot of bigger disk at startup at stretch ? I have xen at stretch with jess vps, but when I shutdown jess vps and try boot stretch vps with 6 more LVM partition (every around 3TB) it didnt boot and stops before login with systemd exception timeouts, mount optios are : /dev/xvda4 /mnt/data1 ext4 noatime,nodiratime,errors=remount-ro,x-systemd.device-timeout=300s 0 1 |
| 19:29.55 | hays | i just deleted the files out of logrotate |
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| 19:30.26 | hays | is there a way to reinstall every package? I also have packages that are showing up with :amd64 and some don't have that tag/note on them |
| 19:30.37 | hays | I'd like to make it so they all don't have the tag/note |
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| 19:31.24 | hays | like this: qt5-gtk-platformtheme:amd64install |
| 19:31.51 | hays | I have 376 packages like this |
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| 19:32.13 | foldy | I think it di somehow fsck, but didnt end. vps is pinging but ssh is not up and I cannot login via console because systemd didnt boot until login. |
| 19:33.09 | NetTerminalGene | can i stop software store automatically load at boot? |
| 19:33.23 | NetTerminalGene | using default debian gnome |
| 19:33.41 | petn-randall | foldy: Sounds more like something is not set up correctly. If you can show us the actual boot error we can help you with that. |
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| 19:34.41 | dka | How can I add item to the list when running : `update-alternatives --config desktop-background` |
| 19:35.02 | foldy | petn-randall, try to look at syslog if is there any, I can try at at night again, because im migrating it. I let you know at few minutes |
| 19:36.00 | hays | anyone have any ideas on my :amd64 question? |
| 19:37.07 | petn-randall | hays: Why do you want that? It's part of the package info. |
| 19:37.29 | hays | petn-randall: some of them have the :amd64 and some do not |
| 19:37.31 | petn-randall | hays: There are arch-specific packages, and those that aren't. |
| 19:38.03 | foldy | petn-randall, well it didnt write anything at messages or syslog, so I dont have data now and must try it again over night. Is there any option more for fstab to mount that partions as huge with a few milion files ? |
| 19:38.34 | hays | petn-randall: for example there are no python packages that have :amd64 |
| 19:38.38 | petn-randall | foldy: I don't think the size is a problem. You likely have the wrong UUID in /etc/fstab or some other combination of errors. |
| 19:38.53 | petn-randall | hays: Yes, because they are "arch: all". |
| 19:39.14 | foldy | petn-randall, it is a LVM partitions with xen vps so it is a xvda* devices, no UUID. |
| 19:39.30 | petn-randall | hays: python is mostly interpreted, so the python scripts/libraries will run on any architecture. |
| 19:39.42 | petn-randall | foldy: That's likely your first issue. |
| 19:40.12 | hays | ahh, ok. I thought this might be stuff I needed to clean out from switching architectures |
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| 19:40.21 | hays | now.. is there a way to just reinstall every package? |
| 19:40.25 | petn-randall | foldy: device names can change between release or even reboots. It's better to use UUIDs, as they are unique no matter what you do. |
| 19:40.40 | petn-randall | hays: How did you switch architectures? |
| 19:40.55 | petn-randall | hays: What would reinstalling every package accomplish? |
| 19:40.59 | hays | petn-randall: via a rather painful and error prone process |
| 19:41.00 | petn-randall | !xy |
| 19:41.00 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 19:41.15 | petn-randall | hays: Step back, what are you trying to accomplish? ^^^ |
| 19:41.47 | hays | I am trying to make reasonable assurance that any corruption that occurred during my migration to amd64 from i386 is corrected |
| 19:41.56 | foldy | petn-randall, jess vps havent problem with it, but when I stop it reconfigure xen config and start stretch vps, it didnt fully boot, I think xen + LVM didnt have UUID, because of they are same xvda* devicest pointing to same LVM partitions. |
| 19:42.04 | hays | ive already found one issue, where mariadb needed to be reinstalled |
| 19:42.29 | petn-randall | hays: How did the file get corrupted? |
| 19:43.01 | hays | petn-randall: i think that during the conversion to amd64, the package installation didnt' complete |
| 19:43.07 | petn-randall | hays: How did the package get corrupted? What kind of corruption? |
| 19:43.13 | hays | doing this required a lot of overrides |
| 19:43.42 | hays | I think package files were simply missing, like the main mariadb binary |
| 19:43.45 | foldy | petn-randall, xen configs like : 'phy:/dev/xendata/merakmount2,xvda4,w' |
| 19:43.56 | hays | or it might have been a symlink. not sure |
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| 19:44.06 | petn-randall | hays: Then reinstalling all package wouldn't help, would it? |
| 19:44.26 | hays | petn-randall: when I was migrating, something bad happened with /bin/dash and /bin/bash, causing dpkg/apt to fail pretty hard |
| 19:44.56 | hays | no, that was the fix for mariadb. apt install mariadb-somethingsometing-core-10.1 |
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| 19:45.02 | petn-randall | hays: Why not do a clean reinstall? It might be simpler to fix. |
| 19:45.16 | foldy | petn-randall, I think it tryes fsck maybe it is timeouting at that fsck, because that partitions need around 10 mins to do fsck and kernel do fails after 120sec (systemd waiting) |
| 19:46.07 | hays | seems easier to fix the things that are standard (debian packages) then to redo all of the things that are not standrd (particular server config) |
| 19:46.20 | petn-randall | foldy: That's not the issue. If fsck would be running, systemd wouldn't timeout after 10 minutes. That would be insane. |
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| 19:46.45 | petn-randall | foldy: As I said, let us know the *exact* issue (logs or pictures) and we can help you with that. |
| 19:47.13 | foldy | petn-randall, ok I try it at night again and copy it from console. thx |
| 19:48.21 | petn-randall | foldy: Likely it's waiting for the device in /etc/fstab to become available, but it never does (due to the device name getting changed). |
| 19:49.56 | foldy | petn-randall, strange is that when I simulate it with other smaller discs without data it works, I connect 10 more xvdas but not 3TB but 3GB and everything works from scratch. |
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| 19:52.32 | foldy | petn-randall, it stops booting althought if it is not at fstab and is only connected in xen config and I try to boot with them. |
| 19:52.33 | hays | apt install --reinstall $(dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall| cut -f1) |
| 19:52.38 | hays | ^^ this is what I am trying |
| 19:53.16 | foldy | petn-randall, so it isnt issue with fstab, is any option to boot without fsck ? |
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| 20:16.02 | annadane | do flatpaks come with their own configuration paths bundled in? for example, if i have emacs 25.1 from the debian repo, and download emacs 26 in flatpak, will the flatpak version interfere with my already existing emacs 25 config? |
| 20:17.50 | annadane | by which i mean dot files/folders |
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| 20:18.09 | NapoleonWils0n | hi all |
| 20:18.35 | NapoleonWils0n | i was using debian and switched to ubuntu to give that a go |
| 20:18.56 | rydare | UNSUPPORTED |
| 20:19.01 | rydare | lol jk, what's your question |
| 20:19.03 | NapoleonWils0n | but then i came across netplan which is like pulseaudio for networking and am looking to switch back to debian |
| 20:19.16 | rydare | Welcome home, NapoleonWils0n |
| 20:19.29 | bites | you know you don't need to use netplan? |
| 20:19.31 | rydare | why can't you install netplan on ubuntu though? |
| 20:19.32 | n4dir | i sure have seen apps which have an option to tell which config file to use. |
| 20:19.58 | bites | netplan just generates configs for systemd-networkd or network-manager. you can install ifupdown if you want. |
| 20:20.16 | NapoleonWils0n | netplan is the default in ubuntu 18.04 for setting up networking and i really dont like it so was looking to switch |
| 20:20.32 | at0m | and pulseaudio supports network audio |
| 20:20.35 | NapoleonWils0n | absolute pain to create a bridged interface for qemu kvm |
| 20:20.46 | n4dir | man emacs or such should know |
| 20:21.01 | at0m | oh, sorry, misread "is like PA for networking" |
| 20:21.11 | NapoleonWils0n | i was saying that netplan is like pulseaudio in the sense that it isnt good in my opion |
| 20:21.29 | bites | so don't use it. |
| 20:21.30 | ticapix | from a uefi interactive shell with a usb dongle where I burn a debian netinstall iso, how can I find the correct command line to start the text installer ? |
| 20:22.00 | NapoleonWils0n | does debian still use standard if up and down or has it switched to netplan as well |
| 20:22.10 | bites | it has not |
| 20:22.22 | NapoleonWils0n | bites cheers mate thats really good to hear |
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| 20:22.55 | NapoleonWils0n | ubuntu seems to load everything including the kitchen sink and washing up liquid |
| 20:23.07 | petn-randall | NapoleonWils0n: FYI, you don't need to switch distros, just remove netplan if you don't like it. |
| 20:23.34 | petn-randall | Otherwise you'll be switching from Debian to foo because you don't like the package selection of your installation. |
| 20:24.03 | bites | you would expect canonical to ship their own tools, wouldn't you? |
| 20:24.40 | NapoleonWils0n | yes and thats really the crux of the problem the direction of ubuntu |
| 20:25.04 | NapoleonWils0n | kind of going away from the nix way of doing things, simple tool to do one job well |
| 20:25.31 | NapoleonWils0n | rather than bleeding yaml files which are picking about indendation just to do some basic networking |
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| 20:25.44 | NapoleonWils0n | its like typing on stilts |
| 20:26.00 | petn-randall | As I said, rather than complaining you could just remove it. |
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| 20:27.28 | NapoleonWils0n | i may be wrong but i think its really baked in, and the old way doesnt work any more |
| 20:27.40 | bites | it's just a config generator. |
| 20:27.45 | bites | you are wrong. |
| 20:28.24 | petn-randall | "apt remove netplan" and you're good to go. |
| 20:28.49 | petn-randall | That being said, Debian still is the superior operating system ;) |
| 20:28.51 | NapoleonWils0n | thx guys, will nuke the pesky fecker |
| 20:29.07 | bites | now systemd-networkd you can't remove easily :P |
| 20:29.21 | NapoleonWils0n | yes thats why i was thinking of switching back |
| 20:29.24 | bites | it's in debian too, just not enabled. |
| 20:30.53 | NapoleonWils0n | netplan and yaml just seems to add an additional layer of crud, we already have systemd to do that |
| 20:32.03 | petn-randall | systemd doesn't configure networks in Debian by default, it's either ifupdown or network-manager. You're of course free to use any tool you want to accomplish networking. |
| 20:32.12 | petn-randall | *systemd-networkd |
| 20:32.28 | NapoleonWils0n | i suppose the difference is with debian you add the stuff you need, with ubuntu you have to remove the stuff you dont |
| 20:32.43 | bites | no, it's already there. comes with the systemd package. |
| 20:32.55 | bites | just not enabled. |
| 20:32.58 | petn-randall | Sure, but not enabled by default. |
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| 20:36.02 | foldy | petn-randall, (remember that xen discs issue) I allready solved that issue with xen room, If anybody had problem with it is about limiting sources of xen, need rising gnttab_max_frames=32 to higher value, bacause of structure havent get enough sources for that discs, procs and rams. |
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| 21:30.23 | n4dir | firefox was upgraded these days, now i have lost sound for firefox (only; mocp works and i installed chromium to check which has sound too) |
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| 21:31.20 | n4dir | besides that the extensions (adblock and noscript don't work anymore). |
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| 21:42.54 | NetTerminalGene | n4dir, firefox requires pulse audio |
| 21:43.15 | at0m | n4dir: not running stable, but did you install these from debian repository or as add-on? either way, is there newer versions of these addons that match the newer firefox? if not, probably wait a little and they will make it through |
| 21:43.27 | n4dir | NetTerminalGene: newly? |
| 21:43.48 | NetTerminalGene | i don't know which version it started |
| 21:44.01 | n4dir | what a shit. |
| 21:44.04 | NetTerminalGene | ,v firefox |
| 21:44.05 | judd | Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 62.0-1 |
| 21:44.12 | at0m | ,v firefox-esr |
| 21:44.13 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; stretch: 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 52.8.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.9.0esr-1; sid: 60.2.0esr-1 |
| 21:44.35 | n4dir | at0m: k, will wait a bit |
| 21:44.36 | NetTerminalGene | it sounds like it wasn't updated |
| 21:45.15 | n4dir | ii firefox-esr 60.2.0esr-1~deb9u2 |
| 21:45.48 | NetTerminalGene | ? |
| 21:46.02 | n4dir | yeah, confusion over here too. |
| 21:46.13 | NetTerminalGene | are you on sid? |
| 21:46.20 | n4dir | no, stable |
| 21:47.01 | n4dir | pretty sure the upgrade happened yesterday, might have been the day before yesterday too. |
| 21:47.06 | NetTerminalGene | https://www.debian.org/security/2018/dsa-4287 |
| 21:47.08 | bites | iirc correctly 52 esr was compiled with alsa support. not sure about 60. |
| 21:47.19 | annadane | judd is simply outdated. |
| 21:47.22 | annadane | stable has esr 60 |
| 21:47.31 | NetTerminalGene | yeah it looks like |
| 21:47.47 | NetTerminalGene | firefox 60 requires pulseaudio |
| 21:48.01 | n4dir | okay, that riddle is sorted. thanks |
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| 21:48.30 | n4dir | best options seems to be to give up on the web altogether ... |
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| 21:52.45 | at0m | or learn pulseaudio, like we have to learn systemd. i remember pulseaudio when it just came out, it was way incomplete and i had no clue how it worked. bad combination. |
| 21:53.20 | at0m | for all your apps that use alsa or jack or, there's pulseaudio bridges |
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| 21:54.23 | NetTerminalGene | pulseaudio works great here |
| 21:54.32 | at0m | funny the ff-esr upgrade didn't show it would pull in pulseaudio, too then. or did it? |
| 21:54.43 | NetTerminalGene | i heard it was too buggy some time ago |
| 21:54.45 | at0m | NetTerminalGene: same, networked and all. |
| 21:55.00 | at0m | and bridged to/from alsa, jack |
| 21:55.40 | n4dir | seamonkey to the rescue. |
| 21:56.32 | mason | You can think of systemd as being "pulseaudio as pid 1" |
| 21:56.53 | n4dir | yeah, pretty much the same shit from the same devs ... |
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| 23:29.13 | yokowka | heavenO everysoul!!!! got gnome 3.22.2 debian 9 stretch, how to move tray down? |
| 23:29.48 | protectionfault | hi yokowka |
| 23:29.53 | protectionfault | what do you mean with tray? |
| 23:30.12 | protectionfault | the whole bar your tray is in, like in windows on the bottom instead of the top? |
| 23:30.26 | yokowka | i mean now tray at the top, i need it bottom)) |
| 23:30.41 | protectionfault | do have the tweaktool?\ |
| 23:31.14 | yokowka | how it be on rusian tweaktool, my system not english...& |
| 23:31.19 | yokowka | ? |
| 23:32.10 | protectionfault | good point, im thinking |
| 23:32.21 | yokowka | )) |
| 23:33.53 | protectionfault | i have browsed through the options in both the settings and tweak tool for you, there are no easy shortcuts to placing your activity bar on the bottom of the screen |
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| 23:34.21 | protectionfault | this means it is possible, but more work than you currently think |
| 23:35.46 | yokowka | not good.... |
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| 23:37.29 | yokowka | protectionfault, can you help me with dash?? |
| 23:37.39 | yokowka | to dock |
| 23:38.09 | protectionfault | small chance |
| 23:38.58 | yokowka | is it possible to make dash more beauty loking?? |
| 23:39.10 | yokowka | loocking |
| 23:39.48 | protectionfault | yes, certainly possible, but requires you to edit configuration files manually |
| 23:40.11 | rydare | your GTK theme can theme the dash |
| 23:40.13 | protectionfault | everything has a good manual |
| 23:40.13 | rydare | dock |
| 23:40.38 | protectionfault | and you only have to do it once in your life, then save the config forever |
| 23:41.17 | yokowka | rydare, protectionfault site with GTK do not enters me(( |
| 23:42.07 | rydare | https://www.gnome-look.org/browse/cat/135/ord/top/ here's a good site for gtk themes |
| 23:42.14 | rydare | not all of them will theme the dash2dock |
| 23:42.20 | rydare | the good ones will |
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| 23:43.14 | yokowka | rydare humans of heavens - bless you, now i borrow a look on it)) |
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| 23:49.10 | yokowka | rydare, gtk3 mean gnome 3? |
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| 23:52.22 | rydare | gnome3 uses gtk3 to display widgets, basically things you see in programs |
| 23:52.33 | rydare | kde plasma uses qt, an alternative |
| 23:55.41 | yokowka | wrighty then)) how to make dash to dock one in one look like 3d apple computer?)) |
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| 23:56.24 | yokowka | 3d dash i mean, angly not smooth |
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| 23:58.34 | usney | rydare what's up? |
| 23:58.48 | usney | trying new things to get the hdmi audio to work |
| 23:58.52 | rydare | just getting ready to leave |
| 23:59.01 | usney | wow |
| 23:59.05 | usney | for work? |
| 23:59.13 | rydare | church thing :D |
| 23:59.35 | usney | I just installed the full firmware instead of the default mini |
| 23:59.40 | rydare | yokowka: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/make-ubuntu-look-like-mac-5-steps this is for ubuntu but the steps are the same for Debian |
| 23:59.46 | usney | seeing if that will work |
| 23:59.49 | rydare | the dock doesn't look 3d, it looks like new mac |
| 23:59.51 | rydare | which is more flat |