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| 05:19.00 | pongo | hi |
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| 05:44.38 | Kaminota | hello |
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| 05:57.51 | gerforce | hi,there. When i try to do regular upgrade, it encounters an error. Details: https://file.io/UNhoVG |
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| 06:14.45 | Kaminota | gerforce, Why don't you procps in the first place out of curiosity? |
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| 06:26.13 | gerforce | Kamilion: didn't find anything useful under /usr/share/doc/procps |
| 06:26.40 | rydare | gerforce: that link is 404 for me |
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| 06:26.54 | rydare | oops i was scrolled up |
| 06:26.57 | rydare | sorry |
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| 06:29.35 | gerforce | rydare: try this: https://file.io/zRlHfs |
| 06:30.40 | Kaminota | 404 as well here. I think I misread it the first time though. 1 sec. |
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| 06:33.59 | gerforce | emm.... |
| 06:34.30 | gerforce | i will try another upload link |
| 06:37.33 | Kaminota | Can you show us the output of "sudo systemctl status systemd-sysctl.service" and "sudo systemctl status procps.service"? |
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| 06:56.23 | gerforce | Kamilion: here:https://file.io/LXiUn1 |
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| 07:01.13 | Kaminota | gerforce, have you modified any of the sysctl config files? |
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| 07:01.55 | Kaminota | Also, you keep pinging the wrong person. |
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| 07:42.40 | TheLemonMan | hello, it seems that after the latest firefox-esr update I cannot play YT videos anymore. Anybody else ha{s,d} this problem? |
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| 07:45.30 | themill | no problem with that here |
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| 07:49.38 | TheLemonMan | eh, it was a silly addon fault! I can finally listen some Simple Minds now :) |
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| 07:51.24 | themill | too easy |
| 07:56.07 | ralpheeee | am running a windows tiling manager ...with libreoffice the fonts /text on the menu are very samll....can anypont me in the right direction? |
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| 08:04.12 | at0m | ralpheeee: this? https://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/56248/change-the-default-menu-font-in-libreoffice-50/ |
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| 08:32.26 | ralpheeee | ls |
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| 08:39.11 | hanxzavier | #flood |
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| 09:05.05 | darxmurf | any graphical app to browse a MTP device under XFCE ? |
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| 09:10.44 | darxmurf | hmm fine, I could mount it using jmtpfs |
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| 09:13.23 | darxmurf | hmm input/output error |
| 09:13.44 | darxmurf | 2018 and not able to mount a basic memory card from a phone :-/ |
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| 09:18.33 | shriramv | Hello im new to debian and i would like to start contributing to it. How do i start? |
| 09:19.30 | darxmurf | ? |
| 09:19.46 | darxmurf | contribute in what ? Code ? |
| 09:20.42 | nyuszika7h | there seems to be an issue with the certificate for ftp.debian.org, it used to work fine |
| 09:20.44 | nyuszika7h | Err:9 https://ftp.debian.org/debian stretch-backports Release |
| 09:20.45 | nyuszika7h | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:21.01 | Kaminota | This might be the lazy answer, but here. https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-contributing.en.html |
| 09:22.22 | nyuszika7h | depth=1 C = NA, ST = NA, L = Ankh Morpork, O = Debian SMTP, OU = Debian SMTP CA, CN = Debian SMTP CA, emailAddress = hostmaster@puppet.debian.org |
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| 10:18.38 | ralpheeee | are there any significant disadvantages of using systemd-boot on debian...am also not sure how future updates will effect systemd-boot... |
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| 10:36.08 | shriramv | darxmurf: yes. I am interested in becoming a debian maintainer, so i would like to know how and where to start. Also is there any pre-requirements? |
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| 10:42.52 | at0m | shriramv: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer |
| 10:44.20 | at0m | shriramv: also there is a package how-can-i-help, https://wiki.debian.org/how-can-i-help |
| 10:45.13 | at0m | shriramv: how-can-i-help hooks in with apt, and prints outstanding issues with packages that apt has just handles |
| 10:45.16 | at0m | *handled |
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| 10:47.14 | shriramv | at0m: |
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| 10:48.41 | shriramv | at0m: thanks will look into how-can-i-help |
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| 11:21.34 | ashemta | bonjour a tous |
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| 12:01.18 | darxmurf | Salut ashemta, c'est un chan anglais par ici t'aurais pas trop de réponses en français :-) |
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| 12:01.44 | darxmurf | tu peux aller faire un tour sur #debian-fr |
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| 12:19.08 | ashemta | merci :) @darmurf |
| 12:19.20 | ashemta | @darxmurf |
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| 12:21.44 | ntd | what's STFU une francais? |
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| 12:23.28 | ntd | there's judgment due to the reason why people find the french language annoying is the french people speaking it, who actually understand english but pretend that they don't |
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| 12:27.00 | gregor2 | It says error unknown filesystem Entering rescue mode... grub rescue> if i try to boot |
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| 12:27.09 | gregor2 | What happened there? |
| 12:27.50 | darxmurf | huh sounds like there is something wrong with your disk or boot config |
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| 12:29.40 | gregor2 | i tried to set up a raid |
| 12:30.19 | gregor2 | that hard drive should stay as it is but i had to reconfigure the sata controller |
| 12:31.12 | gregor2 | from ICSE to IDE |
| 12:31.31 | gregor2 | probabably that was what i did wrong? |
| 12:32.26 | mawk | ntd: you say "tg" |
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| 12:38.24 | gregor2 | sorry |
| 12:38.36 | gregor2 | AHCI to IDE |
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| 12:46.33 | gregor2 | please help |
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| 12:48.42 | petn-randall | gregor2: Then switch it back to AHCI? Why do you want to use IDE? |
| 12:49.24 | gregor2 | Its to late |
| 12:49.50 | gregor2 | I already did that and the problem is still there |
| 12:51.00 | petn-randall | gregor2: Only if you changes something in between. What did you do exactly? |
| 12:51.45 | gregor2 | I actually want to config a raid |
| 12:52.12 | petn-randall | s/changes/changed/ |
| 12:52.25 | gregor2 | I had to switch to ide to use onboard raid controller. |
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| 12:52.34 | gregor2 | So first i did that |
| 12:53.23 | gregor2 | then i tried to boot and i saw grub the first time but the ioperating system did not boot. |
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| 12:53.38 | petn-randall | gregor2: Well, did you makes backups? If the RAID controller did it right, most of the data will be gone. |
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| 12:53.55 | gregor2 | sadly not |
| 12:54.20 | gregor2 | But it was not my intention to use that drive for the raid |
| 12:55.27 | gregor2 | and the partitions of the drive are still there i can see them in debian installation disk |
| 12:56.12 | gregor2 | the swap partition is still there and also somehow it can boot into grub recovery. |
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| 12:57.09 | gregor2 | I suppose if the raud controller had used that disk for its raid it would have erased that to. |
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| 12:57.58 | gregor2 | Also i was able to tell the raid controller wich disks to use |
| 12:58.09 | gregor2 | this one was not among them. |
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| 13:02.31 | gregor2 | What now? |
| 13:02.46 | RoyK | gregor2: is this fakeraid? |
| 13:02.48 | RoyK | !fakeraid |
| 13:02.49 | dpkg | Fakeraid is a term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS. For use with Debian systems, it is suggested that you do not set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID instead; ask me about <md>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid |
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| 13:04.49 | gregor2 | Really?! |
| 13:05.02 | gregor2 | Is that fakeraid really existing?! |
| 13:05.07 | RoyK | what sort of controller is this? |
| 13:05.09 | RoyK | gregor2: it is |
| 13:05.11 | gregor2 | Dont scare me |
| 13:05.30 | gregor2 | ga-970a-ud3p |
| 13:05.44 | gregor2 | Dont tell me that all of my data is gone. |
| 13:05.58 | gregor2 | What did this thing to my hard drive? |
| 13:06.27 | RoyK | I don't know, but I'm quite certain that it's fakeraid |
| 13:06.55 | RoyK | unplug the drives and hook them up to another machine if you don't have a backup |
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| 13:07.23 | gregor2 | There is no reason for it to touch drives not specified by me! |
| 13:07.30 | gregor2 | Even if its fake! |
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| 13:08.47 | gregor2 | I cant do that either. |
| 13:08.57 | gregor2 | I dont have another machine. |
| 13:10.06 | RoyK | how much data is it on this thing that you don't have a backup of |
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| 13:13.04 | gregor2 | i dont know |
| 13:13.11 | gregor2 | everything basically |
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| 13:13.44 | gregor2 | But dont you think that i will be able to restore it? |
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| 13:14.11 | gregor2 | Because it does not seem that bad, the partitions are still there. |
| 13:14.26 | petn-randall | gregor2: I'd set it all back to the settings at the beginning, then boot a live system and investigate if the data is still there. |
| 13:14.28 | gregor2 | I hate fakeraid |
| 13:14.54 | RoyK | gregor2: the data is probably on the disks - if it'd be me, I'd get a large, fat drive and dd the disks' data over there and start reconstruction |
| 13:15.00 | gregor2 | I cant mount the filesystem because i only have debian 7 live |
| 13:15.10 | petn-randall | gregor2: The partition header is only one sector, just because the header is intact doesn't imply that the filesystems are there. |
| 13:15.31 | petn-randall | gregor2: Then get a Debian 9 live. |
| 13:15.37 | gregor2 | Well |
| 13:15.44 | gregor2 | Ok |
| 13:15.48 | RoyK | gregor2: how big are these drives and how many of them are there? |
| 13:15.53 | gregor2 | but that will take a while. |
| 13:16.16 | gregor2 | I have one 1TB drive where the data is on |
| 13:16.22 | gregor2 | But obviosly |
| 13:16.48 | gregor2 | i also have 4 4TB empty (intended for the raid. |
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| 13:17.37 | gregor2 | Befor i download and burn debian 9 live i want to ask a fiew things |
| 13:17.51 | RoyK | ok - hook up those 4TB drives and, using mdadm, create a raid5 or raid6 on them, and then dd the 1TB drive to a file on that raid |
| 13:18.02 | RoyK | make sure you use lvm on top of the raid |
| 13:18.09 | RoyK | it'll make things easier later on |
| 13:18.11 | gregor2 | Is lvm? |
| 13:18.23 | gregor2 | Whats that? |
| 13:18.32 | RoyK | !lvm |
| 13:18.32 | dpkg | [lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:18.38 | gregor2 | Ok |
| 13:18.53 | gregor2 | What do you think happened to the drives |
| 13:19.01 | RoyK | no idea |
| 13:19.02 | gregor2 | And what caused it? |
| 13:19.13 | gregor2 | Was it the fakeraid? |
| 13:19.24 | RoyK | but now, the important thing is to get the data out of the drive and see if you can recover it |
| 13:19.37 | RoyK | and don't address drives like IDE in BIOS |
| 13:19.45 | RoyK | it went out of style 15 years ago or so |
| 13:20.09 | gregor2 | ok |
| 13:20.25 | gregor2 | Wait a second |
| 13:20.44 | gregor2 | I have an installation cd for debian 9. |
| 13:20.50 | gregor2 | Cant i use that? |
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| 13:22.53 | gregor2 | it actually says cant umount /target invalid argument. |
| 13:23.20 | gregor2 | and unable to read superblock. |
| 13:23.53 | gregor2 | what does that mean? |
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| 13:27.36 | petn-randall | gregor2: That usually means the data is corrupted. But hard to say without specifics. |
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| 13:29.11 | gregor2 | I have one good news |
| 13:29.40 | gregor2 | I hadanother drive plugged into the board while configuring the raid. |
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| 13:30.06 | gregor2 | Everything is still there on that one. |
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| 13:31.35 | gregor2 | What could happen by the way if i accidentally press the wrong button on partition disks in a debian installation disk? |
| 13:31.52 | blackflow | kittens would die. |
| 13:32.03 | gregor2 | Could that produce that outcome? |
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| 13:33.51 | Trieste | Hi, I'd like to run a version of nginx with a specific 3rd party module, I've successfully compiled it so, but now I wonder if there's a better way to handle the install then just to do `make install`, so that it doesn't collide with the package manager or anything else |
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| 13:35.13 | empty_string | usually ./configure --prefix=/opt/custom-nginx will set things up right, or usually make DESTDIR=/opt/custom-nginx install will also work |
| 13:35.46 | empty_string | (nothing special about /opt/custom-nginx, just an example. you could install it to a user home directory or to /usr/local) |
| 13:36.13 | petn-randall | Trieste: Best thing is to create a Debian package. Next best thing is to use stow or checkinstall. I'd avoid running `make install` as root at all costs. |
| 13:36.16 | petn-randall | !stow |
| 13:36.16 | dpkg | well, stow is a nifty program used to manage a /usr/local/ hierarchy. It keeps all the programs separate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game; ask me about <stow usage>. http://www.gnu.org/software/stow . See also <usrlocal>, <uupdate>, <checkinstall>. |
| 13:36.18 | petn-randall | !checkinstall |
| 13:36.22 | Poster | yeah I usually go with /opt myself, it makes it pretty glaring there, if needed you can symlink binary names out or add it to your path |
| 13:36.26 | petn-randall | !checkinstall |
| 13:36.26 | dpkg | CheckInstall is a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ See also <stow>. |
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| 13:38.02 | Trieste | thanks! |
| 13:38.35 | Trieste | I'll check out CheckInstall, and if that doesn't help I'll just prefix it to /opt :) |
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| 13:40.49 | gregor2 | isofs_fill_super: bread failed, dev=sda2, iso_blknum=16, block=32 |
| 13:40.57 | gregor2 | what is that? |
| 13:41.11 | greycat | Hardware level read error. |
| 13:41.31 | gregor2 | And now? |
| 13:41.39 | hexhaxtron | Anyone using Webmin? I can't login with other users... I did all the steps on the FAQ but no good... |
| 13:41.47 | greycat | !webmin |
| 13:41.47 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 13:41.55 | jelly | greycat: which command or action resulted in that, and where did you read it |
| 13:42.02 | jelly | gregor2: which command or action resulted in that, and where did you read it |
| 13:42.15 | gregor2 | I tried to mount a drive. |
| 13:42.15 | hexhaxtron | !free whcp |
| 13:42.16 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
| 13:42.28 | gregor2 | Have you followed my problem earlyer? |
| 13:42.39 | hexhaxtron | greycat, which one do you suggest? |
| 13:42.53 | greycat | I have absolutely no idea. I administer things by ssh-ing in. |
| 13:43.13 | gregor2 | I cant boot |
| 13:43.31 | gregor2 | it says rescue grub if i try |
| 13:43.36 | jelly | gregor2: no. That just looks like doing "mount" without a -t filesystemtype and mount trying the iso9660 (cdrom) filesystem |
| 13:44.02 | gregor2 | now i booted into a installation cd and tried that |
| 13:44.13 | gregor2 | the message is from syslog |
| 13:44.24 | jelly | did you tell mount command which -t to use |
| 13:44.48 | jelly | if you didn't, that's normal |
| 13:44.50 | greycat | at this point I'm suspecting he didn't type ANY commands at all; he selected something from a freakin' menu |
| 13:45.04 | greycat | he sure seems unable to communicate "I typed ____" |
| 13:45.53 | gregor2 | i typed mount /dev/sda2 /mnt |
| 13:46.11 | greycat | OK. As jelly says, try it with an explicit -t type option. |
| 13:46.25 | gregor2 | i tried it right now |
| 13:46.26 | greycat | What kind of file system is /dev/sda2 supposed to have? ext4? ext3? btrfs? |
| 13:46.42 | gregor2 | it says invalid argument |
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| 13:46.47 | greycat | WHAT DID YOU TYPE |
| 13:46.59 | gregor2 | what you told me to |
| 13:47.08 | gregor2 | mount -t ext4 /dev..... |
| 13:48.03 | gregor2 | debian 9 should be installed there |
| 13:48.16 | gregor2 | but i cant boot anymore |
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| 13:49.05 | petn-randall | FYI, gregor2 played around with raid settings in the BIOS. I suspect it wrote its raid header somewhere onto the disk and corrupted the data. (an no backups) |
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| 13:49.25 | gregor2 | Yes |
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| 13:49.43 | gregor2 | but why did it write the header there? |
| 13:50.05 | gregor2 | I never told the bios to use that drive? |
| 13:50.44 | RoyK | gregor2: as I said - dd the drive's data onto something else and after that, we can talk about recovery |
| 13:50.52 | gregor2 | ok |
| 13:50.58 | gregor2 | i will do it! |
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| 13:51.12 | RoyK | gregor2: probably it'll work |
| 13:51.25 | gregor2 | Can i actually do that with a installation disk or does it has to be a live |
| 13:51.29 | RoyK | gregor2: and hopefully, you've learned a lesson: BACKUPÂ YOURÂ DATA |
| 13:51.55 | RoyK | gregor2: the install cd should do |
| 13:51.58 | gregor2 | That was actually what i was about to try. |
| 13:52.02 | gregor2 | ok |
| 13:52.09 | gregor2 | i will use the install cd |
| 13:52.11 | RoyK | raid isn't backup |
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| 13:56.02 | petn-randall | raid helps with uptime, not intential or accidental data loss. |
| 13:57.12 | RoyK | petn-randall: exactly |
| 13:57.32 | jelly | why are you saying this, noone asked if raid was backup or made noises that sounded like that |
| 13:58.08 | RoyK | jelly: gregor2 apparently tried to configure a raid to "backup his data", and it failed |
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| 13:59.08 | greycat | I don't see anything from gregor2 in /lastlog backup |
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| 13:59.40 | RoyK | 15:51 < RoyK > gregor2: and hopefully, you've learned a lesson: BACKUPÂ YOURÂ DATA |
| 13:59.43 | RoyK | 15:51 < gregor2 > That was actually what i was about to try. |
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| 14:00.25 | jelly | yes, but not on the same disk |
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| 14:01.10 | jelly | creating a new raid array as a place to put backups of some other disk is a completely sane thing to do |
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| 14:02.41 | RoyK | jelly: well, something went wrong, and I for one have tried to help gregor2 get out of this mess |
| 14:03.20 | jelly | that's fine. I'm only whining about the uncalled "raid is not backup" |
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| 14:03.48 | greycat | It's very difficult to tell what happened because he keeps speaking in vague terms with pronouns like "that" and "this", but near as I can tell, he reconfigured RAID on a live system, and then was confused when he lost data. |
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| 14:05.01 | gregor2 | Well |
| 14:05.02 | greycat | Granted, that conclusion is based mostly on what petn-randall said, since nothing gregor2 said is clear. |
| 14:05.28 | gregor2 | Frpm my opinion i just trusted the motherboard. |
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| 14:06.34 | gregor2 | In any menu i never said to touch that drive, wich is now corrupted. |
| 14:07.10 | RoyK | gregor2: forget about that now - just 1: don't use fakeraid, 2: create a raid5 on those 4TB disks, put lvm on it, and a filesystem on top, and mount it: 3: get the data out of that old drive, all of it - ddrescue is fast and safe. |
| 14:07.27 | RoyK | gregor2: and if you're lucky, perhaps it's possible to recover the dat |
| 14:07.29 | RoyK | gregor2: and if you're lucky, perhaps it's possible to recover the data |
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| 14:08.05 | petn-randall | greycat: Give them the benefit of the doubt, gregor2 is trying to respond to follow-up questions. That's already a lot better than people that refuse to answer in here. They made a mistake, and they're living up to it. |
| 14:08.34 | jelly | smarter server board firmware WARNS YOU when you try to switch the intel controller from AHCI to RAID mode |
| 14:08.52 | jelly | apparently this firmware was not one of those |
| 14:10.00 | gregor2 | so |
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| 14:11.00 | gregor2 | Now i have connected all of the drives to the mutherboard the 4 4 TB |
| 14:11.18 | gregor2 | And the one i want to backup. |
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| 14:11.58 | gregor2 | also there is a dvd drive with a debian 9.1 amd64 DVD-1 |
| 14:12.08 | gregor2 | Now |
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| 14:12.37 | gregor2 | i was just about to create a file system on one of the 4 Drives |
| 14:12.56 | RoyK | gregor2: are all four plugged in? |
| 14:13.04 | gregor2 | but you said it would be a better idea to make a software raid? |
| 14:13.06 | gregor2 | Yes |
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| 14:13.14 | RoyK | pastebin output of lsblk |
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| 14:13.29 | RoyK | gregor2: it's easy to create a software raid on those |
| 14:13.39 | RoyK | keep in mind that you can't boot off a software raid5 |
| 14:13.45 | gregor2 | All 4 are recognized and the one to backup to. also a dvd drive and a Debian installation disk is present |
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| 14:14.09 | gregor2 | Cant i boot of a software raid 4? |
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| 14:14.13 | gregor2 | Sorry |
| 14:14.20 | jelly | you can boot from raid1 |
| 14:14.23 | gregor2 | i mean raid5 ? |
| 14:14.37 | gregor2 | But raid 5 is not possible? |
| 14:14.50 | darxmurf | you can boot from any raid |
| 14:15.02 | jelly | well it really depends on the boot loader |
| 14:15.06 | gregor2 | But not software raid right? |
| 14:15.10 | RoyK | darxmurf: really? does grub support booting from raid5 now? |
| 14:15.17 | darxmurf | and if you can affort it, I would recommend RAID6 |
| 14:15.33 | jelly | and the boot loader has to be written on a contiguous piece of disk that firmware can read and understand |
| 14:15.34 | darxmurf | On my side I'm using hardware RAID, not software |
| 14:15.37 | RoyK | obviously, but with four drives, that seemed a bit overkill |
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| 14:15.44 | darxmurf | RoyK: true |
| 14:15.49 | RoyK | darxmurf: then don't mention it |
| 14:16.02 | RoyK | darxmurf: since linux then doesn't boot from a raid, but from a single block device |
| 14:16.13 | Tamer_Gamer | Hello World! |
| 14:16.17 | petn-randall | RAID6 still has benefits over RAID10 on four disks. In the former, any 2 disks can fail without data loss. |
| 14:16.48 | gregor2 | what? |
| 14:17.02 | RoyK | gregor2: things like NAS boxes usully use a small RAID10 or RAID1 for the root and RAID-5 or RAID-6 for the rest. It's not hard to setup |
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| 14:17.15 | gregor2 | i see |
| 14:17.21 | darxmurf | but performances are better on a RAID10 system |
| 14:17.28 | RoyK | iops is better |
| 14:17.39 | gregor2 | RoyK: that was exactly what i wanted to know. |
| 14:17.42 | jelly | iops is crap on any large sata device. |
| 14:17.54 | gregor2 | I dont even vcame up with that myself. |
| 14:17.56 | petn-randall | darxmurf: Writing has a lower latency, but otherwise read speed is the same. |
| 14:17.58 | jelly | with 4 disks, 4 x crap is still crap. |
| 14:18.03 | gregor2 | Ok |
| 14:18.05 | gregor2 | now |
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| 14:18.29 | RoyK | gregor2: then create a small raid, like 50GB or so, RAID-1, on partitions on all four drives |
| 14:18.33 | RoyK | four 50GB partitions |
| 14:18.40 | RoyK | 4-way RAID-1 |
| 14:18.57 | RoyK | or perhaps RAID10 |
| 14:18.59 | gregor2 | My Motherboard most likely uses fakeraid so i probably use a software raid anyway. |
| 14:19.01 | RoyK | your choice |
| 14:19.14 | RoyK | gregor2: use swraid - it works |
| 14:19.35 | darxmurf | or buy a dedicated card :D |
| 14:19.42 | gregor2 | RoyK why do you want a raid for the backup by the way? |
| 14:19.54 | jelly | gregor2: if it's on a motherboard, and if you're not 100% sure you paid for hw raid with a battery backed or flash-backed memory, it's fakeraid |
| 14:20.05 | gregor2 | I could set it up how i wanted it in the first place. |
| 14:20.13 | RoyK | gregor2: just trying to help you - if you create a good raid now, you can keep it for lter |
| 14:20.27 | gregor2 | Yes |
| 14:20.38 | gregor2 | That is what i am thinking now. |
| 14:20.49 | gregor2 | How to create the raid then? |
| 14:20.50 | RoyK | so - what about this: |
| 14:21.03 | gregor2 | yes |
| 14:21.08 | gregor2 | make the deal |
| 14:21.32 | RoyK | create a 50GB partition on each drive |
| 14:21.42 | RoyK | let's call them sd[cdef]1 |
| 14:21.52 | RoyK | or tell us what they're named |
| 14:21.55 | gregor2 | they are called abcd |
| 14:21.57 | gregor2 | in fact |
| 14:22.05 | RoyK | ok, go on |
| 14:22.11 | gregor2 | sda sdb sdc sdd |
| 14:22.28 | RoyK | that's the drives - the first partition will be sda1 etc |
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| 14:22.45 | RoyK | then another partition on each drive, taking the rest of the space |
| 14:23.03 | gregor2 | The only thing i can come up with is the installation disk |
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| 14:23.14 | gregor2 | partition disks |
| 14:23.17 | RoyK | press alt+right |
| 14:23.20 | gregor2 | there is this meny |
| 14:23.31 | RoyK | then you should get a console |
| 14:24.02 | gregor2 | yes |
| 14:24.24 | RoyK | run fdisk /dev/sda |
| 14:24.47 | RoyK | check that it's the 4TB drive and create a new partition there, 50GB, and then another with the rest of the space |
| 14:24.53 | RoyK | repeat for the other 4TB drives |
| 14:25.24 | gregor2 | ok |
| 14:25.31 | gregor2 | i dont quite get it |
| 14:25.43 | gregor2 | why 2 for every drive? |
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| 14:25.51 | RoyK | one for the forthcoming root |
| 14:26.01 | RoyK | and one for the forthcoming data raid |
| 14:26.14 | RoyK | since linux can't boot off a software raid-5 |
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| 14:26.34 | gregor2 | Thats ok |
| 14:26.53 | RoyK | if you have a separate root disk, don't bother about partitions |
| 14:27.00 | RoyK | gregor2: do you have a separate root disk? |
| 14:27.14 | gregor2 | my plan was to use the 1 TB disk for linux i am now about to backup |
| 14:27.30 | gregor2 | Linux actually already was installed there. |
| 14:27.44 | RoyK | you'll probably need a working linux system to do recovery |
| 14:27.57 | RoyK | don't write anything to that 1TB drive before it's recovered |
| 14:28.06 | gregor2 | i know |
| 14:28.14 | RoyK | installing debian on an usb stick will work, though |
| 14:28.19 | RoyK | and make things a bit easier |
| 14:28.19 | gregor2 | ok |
| 14:28.35 | gregor2 | i would use a live disk if that is possible |
| 14:28.46 | RoyK | should work |
| 14:28.48 | gregor2 | or if i dont even need that one |
| 14:28.57 | gregor2 | just the installation disk |
| 14:29.13 | gregor2 | lets just see what we will need |
| 14:29.24 | jelly | some live disks have more/all the useful tools for recovery purposes, grml.org is a nice example |
| 14:29.25 | RoyK | the installation disk is very limited in terms of what sort of software installed |
| 14:29.38 | gregor2 | ok |
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| 14:30.05 | gregor2 | so how to create a software raid now? |
| 14:30.22 | RoyK | gregor2: bootable or not? |
| 14:30.24 | jelly | and you want to be able to do gpt partitions, create and assemble md array, make filesystems, ddrescue the original disk to |
| 14:30.30 | gregor2 | Uhm |
| 14:30.37 | gregor2 | i dont now yet |
| 14:30.48 | RoyK | then you'll have to decide first ;) |
| 14:30.48 | gregor2 | i thought that isnt even possible |
| 14:31.15 | RoyK | gregor2: as I said, you can create some small partitions for a root raid-10 and leave the rest for the data |
| 14:31.27 | gregor2 | ok |
| 14:31.48 | gregor2 | no then lets just make a raid i will decide afterwards |
| 14:31.51 | RoyK | that'll give you redundancy for the root as well |
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| 14:32.04 | gregor2 | yeah |
| 14:32.06 | gregor2 | i know |
| 14:32.11 | RoyK | you can't decide later if you create one big raid5 now |
| 14:32.38 | gregor2 | is it by the way possible to make a raid larger later? |
| 14:32.55 | gregor2 | i am assuming smaller would be a problem |
| 14:33.15 | RoyK | gregor2: I'd recommend installing debian on an 8GB usb pen drive and running it from there |
| 14:33.27 | gregor2 | yes |
| 14:33.30 | RoyK | that way, you won't need those bloody partitions |
| 14:33.54 | RoyK | and after recovery, you're free to use the 1TB drive for the root if you like |
| 14:33.55 | gregor2 | i will just make the raid for the backup it doesnt matter actually |
| 14:34.14 | gregor2 | I think i would do that |
| 14:34.17 | RoyK | ok |
| 14:34.33 | RoyK | then mdadm --create --level=5 --raid-devices=4 /dev/md0 /dev/sd[abcd] |
| 14:34.44 | gregor2 | ok |
| 14:34.47 | gregor2 | well |
| 14:35.04 | gregor2 | Do i have to do anything befor creating the raid? |
| 14:35.20 | gregor2 | partitions? |
| 14:35.23 | RoyK | so long as those drives are not in use, no |
| 14:35.28 | RoyK | partitons are not needed |
| 14:35.31 | RoyK | nor recommended |
| 14:35.43 | gregor2 | partitions are on top of the raid? |
| 14:35.58 | RoyK | no, on top of the raid, you'll use lvm |
| 14:36.15 | RoyK | partitions aren't needed at all except for the boot device |
| 14:36.18 | gregor2 | ok lets go |
| 14:36.30 | jelly | lvm serves similar purpose as partitioning, but is more flexible |
| 14:37.14 | gregor2 | and this commant is right like it is? |
| 14:37.38 | RoyK | gregor2: make sure the device names are correct |
| 14:37.46 | gregor2 | ok |
| 14:37.53 | RoyK | cat /proc/partitions |
| 14:37.56 | RoyK | check their size |
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| 14:38.39 | jelly | is there a way to wipe intel rst metadata if the bios wrote it on all the disks? |
| 14:38.40 | gregor2 | Oh |
| 14:39.19 | gregor2 | It says /dev/sda appears to be part of a raid array |
| 14:39.30 | jelly | that might be prudent to do (but if it's there, mdadm userspace ought to find it?) |
| 14:39.36 | RoyK | gregor2: can you take a photo of the output? |
| 14:39.43 | gregor2 | Lol |
| 14:39.53 | jelly | a screenshot! |
| 14:40.04 | jelly | upload to imgur.com and show the URL here |
| 14:40.04 | RoyK | jelly: from the installer? |
| 14:40.54 | jelly | RoyK: well /sbin/mdadm is /sbin/mdadm, be it in d-i or a proper install |
| 14:41.00 | gregor2 | zI guess that is because i created a partition table befor |
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| 14:41.22 | gregor2 | i can confirm that sdabcd are the right drives |
| 14:41.31 | gregor2 | i checked it with parted |
| 14:41.31 | RoyK | ok |
| 14:41.43 | gregor2 | i will just go on |
| 14:41.46 | RoyK | go on |
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| 14:42.38 | gregor2 | active with 3 out of 4 devices. |
| 14:42.45 | gregor2 | What does that mean? |
| 14:42.51 | RoyK | gregor2: cat /proc/mdstat |
| 14:42.57 | RoyK | probably resyncing |
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| 14:43.33 | gregor2 | no idea |
| 14:43.53 | RoyK | gregor2: that'll take some hours with drives of that size, depending on their speed, but never mind, it works well even before it's complete |
| 14:43.57 | gregor2 | it says active raid5 sdd sdc sdb sda |
| 14:44.09 | RoyK | and probably some ==> |
| 14:44.14 | RoyK | and a percentage |
| 14:44.24 | gregor2 | Yes |
| 14:44.28 | gregor2 | .5% |
| 14:44.32 | gregor2 | You know |
| 14:44.44 | RoyK | then pvcreate /dev/md0 |
| 14:45.03 | RoyK | and then lvcreate 'dataorsomethingfine' /dev/md0 |
| 14:45.07 | RoyK | erm |
| 14:45.17 | RoyK | vgcreate 'dataorsomething' /dev/md0 |
| 14:45.35 | gregor2 | I probably dont need that right now because i doubt that for the time i will use it the drives probably are not going to break. |
| 14:45.44 | RoyK | then lvcreate -L 2T -n recovery dataorsomething |
| 14:45.54 | gregor2 | what? |
| 14:46.01 | RoyK | !lvm |
| 14:46.01 | jelly | you're going to use the drives to make a bit-exact copy of the 1TB disk |
| 14:46.01 | dpkg | [lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:46.22 | gregor2 | yes |
| 14:46.32 | RoyK | gregor2: you need a volume group on top of a 'physical device' and on top of that, you want a logical device |
| 14:46.40 | gregor2 | What about making a copy just on one of them? |
| 14:46.42 | RoyK | on that, you put a filesystem |
| 14:47.06 | RoyK | and when that's done, dd the old disk's data over to a file on the filesystem |
| 14:47.10 | jelly | gregor2: don't do that. Make a real filesystem and let the copy be a file on a real filesystem |
| 14:47.12 | RoyK | after mounting that filesystem, obviously |
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| 14:48.01 | jelly | otherwise, accidental reboot might show identical data on two different disks |
| 14:48.31 | RoyK | gregor2: so - first step: vgcreate data /dev/md0 |
| 14:48.41 | gregor2 | I mean just creating a ext4 on one of the disks and create the file there |
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| 14:48.57 | RoyK | don't use ext4 with that large data sets |
| 14:48.58 | jelly | gregor2: RoyK is telling you how to do that, but with lvm. |
| 14:49.02 | RoyK | xfs is better |
| 14:49.15 | RoyK | but then - this is temporary for recovery, so anything will do |
| 14:49.25 | gregor2 | yes |
| 14:49.25 | RoyK | perhaps fat |
| 14:49.42 | gregor2 | thats why i would just use one disk without a raid |
| 14:49.52 | gregor2 | i will redo that aftw |
| 14:50.14 | gregor2 | i will probably make a new raid after i got my files back |
| 14:50.44 | RoyK | gregor2: just - please - do as I say - I work for free here, and I can't teach you everything |
| 14:50.54 | gregor2 | ok |
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| 14:51.20 | gregor2 | so after i typed cat /proc/mstat |
| 14:51.25 | gregor2 | what next |
| 14:51.43 | RoyK | gregor2: that's just checking the status of the raid |
| 14:51.51 | RoyK | 16:48 < RoyK > gregor2: so - first step: vgcreate data /dev/md0 |
| 14:52.02 | gregor2 | thats what i have typed last |
| 14:52.12 | gregor2 | thats why i said |
| 14:52.15 | RoyK | ok - what does vgs have to say? |
| 14:52.15 | jelly | gregor2, RoyK: um, first step is pvcreate, did you do that |
| 14:52.33 | RoyK | jelly: except vgcreate runs pvcreate if the target isn't a pv |
| 14:52.38 | gregor2 | just without argument? |
| 14:52.43 | jelly | RoyK: when did that happen! |
| 14:52.51 | RoyK | jelly: 10 years ago? ;) |
| 14:52.56 | jelly | TIL |
| 14:53.24 | gregor2 | ok now what? |
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| 14:53.42 | RoyK | does vgs tell you you've got a volume group? |
| 14:53.52 | RoyK | pvs should show your pv |
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| 14:54.15 | gregor2 | what should i type? |
| 14:54.16 | RoyK | jelly: ? |
| 14:54.18 | RoyK | lvs |
| 14:54.19 | RoyK | vgs |
| 14:54.20 | RoyK | pvs |
| 14:54.23 | gregor2 | just pvs |
| 14:54.40 | RoyK | no vg? |
| 14:55.42 | gregor2 | device lvs not found |
| 14:55.47 | jelly | "today I learned" is a rough equivalent of "news to me" |
| 14:55.59 | RoyK | ok :) |
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| 14:56.16 | RoyK | gregor2: lvcreate -n recovery -L 2T data |
| 14:56.49 | RoyK | https://wiki.malinux.no/index.php/Roy's_notes |
| 14:57.00 | RoyK | I've collected some notes on storage there |
| 14:57.47 | gregor2 | dont i have to specify the drive somewhere? |
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| 14:57.51 | RoyK | jelly: TIL is to me "Tromsø idrettslag" <-- the football team of Tromsø, Norway |
| 14:58.24 | RoyK | gregor2: no, the drive is a PV in the VG "data", so the LV you create will be placed on that drive, which is md0, consisting of four drives in a RAID5 |
| 14:58.45 | RoyK | lvm is a bit smarter than old partitions ;) |
| 14:58.47 | gregor2 | i see |
| 14:59.04 | gregor2 | volume group data not fpund |
| 14:59.11 | RoyK | vgs |
| 14:59.35 | gregor2 | i never wrote data anywhere |
| 14:59.38 | greycat | please tell me he didn't actually name it dataorsomethingfine |
| 14:59.49 | gregor2 | does nothing |
| 14:59.55 | jelly | "data" has to be the same name as used in "vgcreate data /dev/md0" |
| 14:59.56 | RoyK | then create that vg |
| 14:59.57 | gregor2 | lol |
| 15:00.17 | rgr | gregor2: welcome to lvm hell. It's a nightmare ;) All well and good until something goes wrong..... ;) |
| 15:00.17 | gregor2 | All i did was the first command |
| 15:00.27 | gregor2 | No |
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| 15:00.36 | gregor2 | i dont want to lvm hell |
| 15:00.41 | RoyK | gregor2: if you didn't create the vg, do that |
| 15:00.42 | greycat | It's not hell. |
| 15:00.45 | jelly | the first command wasn't "No" |
| 15:00.47 | RoyK | vgcreate data /dev/md0 |
| 15:00.48 | superflit | any suggestion for a good monitoring/restart service manager? |
| 15:00.56 | greycat | superflit: systemd |
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| 15:01.02 | gregor2 | mdadm |
| 15:01.05 | jelly | superflit: systemd can be used for that |
| 15:01.07 | gregor2 | that was all |
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| 15:01.18 | greycat | gregor2: you have to create a VG at some point |
| 15:01.20 | RoyK | gregor2: vgcreate data /dev/md0 |
| 15:01.21 | superflit | gregor2: what if systemd is not enabled? |
| 15:01.24 | RoyK | gregor2: vgcreate data /dev/md0 |
| 15:01.40 | RoyK | oops |
| 15:01.41 | gregor2 | How should i know? |
| 15:01.48 | greycat | superflit: then daemontools or runit, but why isn't systemd enabled? Are you still on wheezy? |
| 15:02.05 | jelly | superflit: then you switch to it, or use an older solution |
| 15:02.17 | RoyK | gregor2: just trying to help here - the page I posted above explains things |
| 15:02.20 | gregor2 | ok |
| 15:02.26 | superflit | debian 9 but systemd disabled |
| 15:02.29 | RoyK | gregor2: or just run that command I posted |
| 15:02.32 | gregor2 | volume recovery created |
| 15:02.34 | superflit | systemd is still the better solution? |
| 15:02.37 | jelly | superflit: how did you manage to disable it? |
| 15:02.46 | jelly | (also, why) |
| 15:02.53 | superflit | (old sysadmin) |
| 15:02.57 | superflit | (sighhhh) |
| 15:02.59 | greycat | Disabling systemd and then wondering "Hey, why don't I have a service manager" seems self-defeating. |
| 15:03.06 | RoyK | gregor2: ok, so lvs will show you the recovery volume now, right? |
| 15:03.19 | superflit | what is a good doc for managing it with systemd |
| 15:03.20 | gregor2 | yes |
| 15:03.23 | superflit | ? |
| 15:03.36 | RoyK | greycat: possbly a tourist from devuan |
| 15:03.56 | jelly | superflit: systemd has its own issues but solves more technical problems than it creates |
| 15:03.58 | RoyK | greycat: good, now make a filesystem on that thing, mkfs -t xfs /dev/data/recovery |
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| 15:04.40 | gregor2 | lol |
| 15:04.45 | gregor2 | mkfs not found |
| 15:04.56 | RoyK | mkfs.xfs /dev/data/recovery |
| 15:05.11 | jordanm | superflit: see the "Restart" option in `man systemd.service` |
| 15:05.13 | gregor2 | wow |
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| 15:05.16 | jelly | superflit: best work with your sysadmin when choosing a solution, be it runit or old daemontools or something domain specific like java service-wrapper |
| 15:06.02 | gregor2 | and now |
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| 15:06.21 | RoyK | gregor2: mount the filesystem somewhere, like 'mount /dev/data/recovery /mnt' |
| 15:06.32 | gregor2 | it is stuck |
| 15:06.45 | RoyK | stuck? |
| 15:06.57 | jelly | then wait until mkfs finished what it's going |
| 15:06.59 | jelly | doing* |
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| 15:07.15 | RoyK | jelly: mkfs.xfs usually finishes in a few seconds |
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| 15:07.44 | jelly | there's an array rebuild going on, and 4TB sata disks, I have no idea how slow that might make things |
| 15:07.54 | gregor2 | it is not finished yet |
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| 15:08.01 | RoyK | gregor2: wait it out |
| 15:08.13 | jordanm | mkfs.xfs is generally fast because unlike extX, it doesn't have to write out all the inode tables on format |
| 15:08.16 | jelly | and debian defaults to cfq iosched |
| 15:08.16 | RoyK | gregor2: what sort of disks, btw? |
| 15:08.25 | jelly | which is still horribly buggy |
| 15:08.26 | gregor2 | seagate |
| 15:08.43 | RoyK | jelly: no, it doesn't default to cfq anymore - that was some time ago |
| 15:08.57 | gregor2 | this is very complicated |
| 15:09.05 | rafalcpp | how to switch scheduler for network cards? |
| 15:09.23 | RoyK | gregor2: find a beer or a soda - wait a minute |
| 15:09.37 | gregor2 | now |
| 15:09.49 | jelly | RoyK: I'm pretty sure debian 8 did, I don't have a debian 9 on a physical machine to check right now |
| 15:10.20 | greycat | jelly: how does one check? |
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| 15:10.33 | gregor2 | i have mounted it |
| 15:10.51 | greycat | [ 0.576215] io scheduler cfq registered (default) |
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| 15:11.07 | gregor2 | now comes the dd part? |
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| 15:11.20 | jelly | greycat: grep . /sys/block/sd*/queue/scheduler or similar |
| 15:11.25 | gregor2 | it is mounted now. |
| 15:11.35 | greycat | noop deadline [cfq] |
| 15:11.38 | jelly | yeah |
| 15:11.56 | jelly | 4.17 bpo, however, woot. [mq-deadline] none |
| 15:12.12 | gregor2 | What now? |
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| 15:12.35 | gregor2 | dd /dev/sde /mnt/file.iso |
| 15:12.36 | RoyK | gregor2: dd if=/dev/sdX of=/mnt/recovery.img bs=4M status=progress |
| 15:12.47 | gregor2 | i see |
| 15:13.00 | RoyK | gregor2: bs=4M or so makes things a *lot* faster |
| 15:13.19 | RoyK | otherwise, dd will use 512b blocks, which is slow, very slow |
| 15:13.35 | jelly | greycat: elevator=deadline as boot parameter, or echo deadline into (all) the file(s) |
| 15:13.45 | RoyK | gregor2: and it's not an iso ;) |
| 15:14.01 | greycat | jelly: I think I'll just leave it alone for now |
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| 15:15.27 | gregor2 | the status.... |
| 15:15.31 | jelly | greycat: you don't have to mess with it unless you see significant io congestion (100 %util and above 1 second svctm in iostat) |
| 15:15.40 | gregor2 | i think it does not work |
| 15:16.01 | RoyK | gregor2: which debian version is this? |
| 15:16.04 | gregor2 | status=progress |
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| 15:16.09 | gregor2 | debian 9 |
| 15:16.20 | gregor2 | but busu=ybox it seems |
| 15:16.20 | jelly | it's possible that dd is busybox' dd |
| 15:16.26 | gregor2 | yes |
| 15:16.29 | gregor2 | thats it |
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| 15:16.57 | gregor2 | what if i leave that out? |
| 15:17.02 | RoyK | then don't use status=progress |
| 15:17.21 | gregor2 | an now? |
| 15:17.23 | RoyK | it'll take a few hours |
| 15:17.27 | gregor2 | let me guess? |
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| 15:17.34 | gregor2 | see you tomorrow |
| 15:17.38 | RoyK | press ctrl+z |
| 15:17.42 | RoyK | type 'bg' |
| 15:18.01 | RoyK | and you can monitor the size of the file with things like 'ls -l /mnt' |
| 15:18.03 | gregor2 | good |
| 15:18.25 | RoyK | watch ls -l /mnt |
| 15:18.34 | gregor2 | already 10Gigs |
| 15:18.35 | RoyK | watch is a command to do that |
| 15:18.57 | jelly | 1TB at 50MB/s is like 5 hours |
| 15:19.06 | gregor2 | well |
| 15:19.10 | gregor2 | like 1% |
| 15:19.21 | gregor2 | Thats horrible. |
| 15:19.22 | RoyK | well, there's a resync going on there |
| 15:19.49 | gregor2 | wouldnt this be faster without a raid? |
| 15:19.57 | RoyK | no |
| 15:20.02 | RoyK | but the raid is resyncing |
| 15:20.14 | RoyK | when it's done resyncing it'll be pretty fast |
| 15:20.40 | RoyK | but I guess you could leave it for some hours now and take a walk to the nearest pub or something |
| 15:20.55 | gregor2 | Omg |
| 15:21.10 | gregor2 | What are you planing to do afterwards? |
| 15:21.42 | RoyK | as soon as the data is safely dd'ed over, you could reinstall debian on that terabyte disk |
| 15:22.04 | RoyK | and then use other tools to extract the data |
| 15:22.16 | gregor2 | What i actually hoped for was that i can recover the old installation. |
| 15:22.39 | RoyK | that's possible, but unlikely |
| 15:22.54 | RoyK | better stick to the hope of getting your data out of there |
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| 15:23.30 | gregor2 | ok now |
| 15:24.22 | gregor2 | I dont think it will take 5 hours |
| 15:24.39 | gregor2 | the file is 70 Gb now |
| 15:24.50 | RoyK | gregor2: it'll take some hours |
| 15:25.05 | jelly | gregor2: hard disks are faster near the beginning and slow down towards the end. |
| 15:25.14 | gregor2 | Isnt it finished .... |
| 15:25.17 | gregor2 | i see |
| 15:25.46 | jelly | your 1TB device might do 150MB/s sustained read at the beginning but like 60MB/s near the end |
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| 15:26.05 | RoyK | gregor2: as jelly said, spinning rust is faster on the outer rim - there's about 2x as many sectors per cylinder there |
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| 15:26.25 | RoyK | jelly: and the target is resyncing |
| 15:26.30 | gregor2 | ok but still |
| 15:26.34 | c-101 | Hello there, i think i found a problem in Qt5 packages in debian testing but i don't know against what component open the bug... anyone has insights into Qt in Debian? |
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| 15:27.01 | petn-randall | Fun fact, if you apply 24V to the 12V rail, the drives should run twice as fast! |
| 15:27.04 | gregor2 | it has already reached 100 GB now |
| 15:27.07 | jelly | gregor2: but hey, it might be finished sooner, and that's great |
| 15:27.18 | petn-randall | Hi c-101, testing is supported on a different channel and network: |
| 15:27.22 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
| 15:27.23 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 15:27.36 | petn-randall | c-101: Feel free to ask there, where all the other testing/sid users hang out. ^^^ |
| 15:27.49 | jelly | gregor2: so that's 10% in 10 minutes. 90 minutes to go if you're lucky |
| 15:28.30 | gregor2 | ok |
| 15:28.48 | gregor2 | Thanks for the help |
| 15:29.06 | RoyK | gregor2: you could reduce the priority for resync on the raid |
| 15:29.11 | gregor2 | but can we now talk about what actually happened there? |
| 15:29.31 | c-101 | well... it seems the mantainer of Qt (Simon Quigley) broke something, but there are multiple packets that are generated from a single source package, so i do not know what should i choose to report the bug |
| 15:29.37 | RoyK | gregor2: I'm more into trying to get your data out of there |
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| 15:29.46 | jelly | gregor2: the likely cause is fakeraid firmware overwrote some parts of some disks |
| 15:29.58 | gregor2 | why? |
| 15:30.07 | gregor2 | why did it? |
| 15:30.09 | jelly | because you told it to |
| 15:30.16 | gregor2 | I did not |
| 15:30.36 | gregor2 | The raid controler is on port 0-3 |
| 15:30.40 | jelly | gregor2: switching from "native/ahci" mode to "raid" mode might have been enough to do that |
| 15:30.49 | gregor2 | This was nut plugged in thete |
| 15:31.09 | gregor2 | thats so silly |
| 15:31.28 | RoyK | gregor2: cut it - we may help you to get the data out |
| 15:31.37 | gregor2 | yes ok |
| 15:31.43 | gregor2 | i dont mean you guys |
| 15:32.12 | gregor2 | I believe you but i find it stupid that the motherboard does that |
| 15:32.21 | jelly | gregor2: firmware can have bugs and do what's not intended. This channel focuses more on solving tech issues than theorizing about root causes |
| 15:33.17 | jelly | I can believe you think it's unexpected, but I can also believe the behaviour is documented somewhere in the manual for the chipset if not the mainboard. |
| 15:33.37 | gregor2 | i should have never plugged it in there at the same time while trying this. |
| 15:33.45 | jelly | in any case, it's not something that can be solved within Debian |
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| 15:33.58 | gregor2 | i see yes |
| 15:34.32 | gregor2 | avtually this hole story has nothing to do with debian |
| 15:35.13 | gregor2 | ok but now something that has to do with debian |
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| 15:36.10 | gregor2 | If i onserted an installation disk and pressed partition disks. |
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| 15:37.48 | gregor2 | Afterwards i pressed configure manually and write changes to disk without making any changes? |
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| 15:38.37 | jelly | t-13: you need to register and identify in the (separate network!) OFTC NickServ to be able to talk in that channel |
| 15:38.46 | t-13 | jelly: i noticed that |
| 15:39.54 | t-13 | t-13 how do you register with nickserv ? |
| 15:40.25 | greycat | /msg nickserv help |
| 15:40.29 | jelly | t-13: very similar way as on freenode. /msg NickServ help register ... to get some instructions |
| 15:40.57 | t-13 | i did that, but the issue is that through i am connected to irc.oftc.net it seems to share nicks and presence ? |
| 15:41.20 | jelly | t-13: irc.oftc.net and irc.debian.org are the same thing, if you mean those two |
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| 15:43.16 | jelly | t-13: your c-101 connection over there does not seem to be registered or identified right now |
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| 15:44.22 | t-13 | jelly: yep, my registered nick is c-101 |
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| 15:53.32 | queip | how to reserve more of (low-memory?) for DMA and such tass? |
| 15:53.35 | queip | tasks |
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| 15:54.14 | RoyK | iirc dma uses all sorts of memory |
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| 15:56.25 | queip | RoyK: at least some devices, require memory which has "low address" |
| 15:56.42 | queip | e.g. in first 4 GB, but maybe there are other limits too |
| 15:57.15 | RoyK | oh - didn't know |
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| 15:58.16 | fling | What is the default debian kernel config? mostly allmodconfig? How is it different from allmodconfig? |
| 15:58.40 | RoyK | fling: see /boot/config-something |
| 15:59.06 | fling | RoyK: I don't have it, need to install something |
| 15:59.19 | fling | linux image probably |
| 15:59.25 | jelly | fling: which debian release are you targeting? |
| 15:59.40 | jelly | and which architecture (dpkg --print-architecture)? |
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| 16:04.10 | fling | jelly: buster/sid amd64 |
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| 16:08.25 | jelly | fling: uh, what's in your /etc/apt/sources.list, buster or sid? |
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| 16:09.02 | jelly | fling: in any case installing linux-image-amd64 ought to get you a kernel. |
| 16:09.46 | fling | jelly: I've got the config, will now do the allmodconfig and diff⦠|
| 16:09.59 | fling | jelly: deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian sid main |
| 16:10.13 | jelly | aight, that's sid |
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| 16:12.53 | fling | Is there a command for enabling (and disabling) a kernel config symbol from console properly without menuconfig or curses? |
| 16:13.59 | teclo- | fling: perhaps somewhere in /proc |
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| 16:16.30 | fling | For example I want to switch few symbols like uhci, scsi disk, ahci, etc from =m to =y without editing the config and without lurking the menuconfig |
| 16:16.48 | jelly | fling: edit .config with whatever tools and then "make olddefconfig", says google |
| 16:16.50 | fling | because editing the config file is a bad idea and using menuconfig is a slow task |
| 16:17.25 | jelly | completely untested by me. |
| 16:17.39 | fling | jelly: tested by me and but with oldconfig |
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| 16:17.48 | fling | jelly: sometimes produces bad kernel :D |
| 16:18.00 | mxbd | Hey. Is there a way to determine if a machine has full-disk encryption applied, without rebooting? |
| 16:18.10 | fling | mxbd: check lsblk output |
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| 16:18.15 | mxbd | Can't remember if I applied FDE to my VPN host and I need to reboot the host. |
| 16:18.55 | fling | mxbd: the TYPE column should show crypt |
| 16:19.38 | mxbd | fling: Dang, that's something I should have known to check... thanks. Seems they're just LVM and not crypto devices. |
| 16:19.39 | jelly | fling: not the same thing tho. I just https://www.google.com/search?q=programatically+enable+specific+linux+kernel+CONFIG |
| 16:20.18 | jelly | oldconfig asks questions. |
| 16:21.01 | n4dir | and back in the past it have been quite a lot of questions. |
| 16:22.01 | jelly | as many as there are differences between the set of options listed in .config file and present in the kernel tree |
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| 16:22.34 | n4dir | ah. thanks. |
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| 16:23.11 | fling | RoyK: jelly: looks like it is pretty different to defconfig and allmodconfig |
| 16:23.31 | jelly | but what do I know, I build kernels once every two years or less |
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| 16:24.27 | jelly | fling: distrust anything I say. Including this line. |
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| 16:25.36 | EdePopede | hello. not really debian specific, but since it is what i run: i started copying some files with mc to a disk connected to usb via an adapter. now this adapter sometimes makes trouble and this time it blocks the copy process. since mc keeps the fs open, i can't unmount. killed the xterm, now i wait for the kernel do get rid of the dead mc process (worked one time yet). but this needs time. any chance to make |
| 16:25.37 | EdePopede | it throw away the process faster or even *now* if possible? |
| 16:25.50 | fling | jelly: smart |
| 16:26.01 | EdePopede | and kernel going on with... usb 1-3: reset high-speed USB device number 6 using ehci-pci |
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| 16:26.30 | fling | EdePopede: it is not always possible to kill a process with stuck i/o |
| 16:27.01 | fling | EdePopede: try remounting or it can just stuck at some state or became a zombie if you will try to kill it |
| 16:27.08 | EdePopede | so last ressort hope that the kernel will be successful another time |
| 16:27.21 | fling | EdePopede: try rsync another time :> |
| 16:27.22 | EdePopede | mc is dead, subshell a zombie |
| 16:28.56 | EdePopede | would it help to use cp? |
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| 16:30.54 | zumba_addict | Hi all. I'd like to install linux kernel source on stretch. What would be the package called? |
| 16:30.55 | n4dir | i thought of rsync, so next time it will only copy the files which have not already been copied (last time, when it got disconnected). Might well be that cp or mc do that, or can do that, too. |
| 16:32.21 | n4dir | if or if not killing mc instead of xterm makes any difference i wouldn't know. |
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| 16:34.08 | diogenes_ | Hello guys, are there any mx linux users that can provide some support? i'm asking because mx linux pre-installed IRC clien points at this channel. |
| 16:35.25 | EdePopede | n4dir, if you mean me: i couldn't do anything to mc or the subshell, i think not even to its parent shell. xterm was the only killable thing. and since it worked the last time, why not retrying |
| 16:36.06 | n4dir | EdePopede: like said, i simply don't know. got you. But investigate if rsync is an option (or if cp can do just the same). |
| 16:36.34 | rydare | diogenes_: mx is based on stable, but might have different solutions, might as well just ask your question |
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| 16:38.04 | EdePopede | n4dir: what would speak for rsync? does it give up and free the target in such situations or something? |
| 16:38.56 | n4dir | not that (sure not that i would know). But what i said: if you restart the copy process, rsync will only copy the files which haven't already been copied. Some claim rsync -u is needed, some it would do that anyway. i use -u option |
| 16:39.07 | diogenes_ | rydare, ok thanks, so i am using mobile broadband connection and i before mx linux i was used to create a wireless hotspot very easy with a few clicks, network manager > edit connections > add > wifi > set it as hotspot done, it used to work like that with any distros but with mx linux it creates the hotspot and other machines can connect to it successfully but there is no internet provided, what could be the issue |
| 16:39.11 | n4dir | makes any sense? else ignore, i can't put it any better. good luck. |
| 16:39.55 | jhutchins_wk | diogenes_: Default routing. |
| 16:40.14 | ksk | n4dir: you only need -u if you have files newer on target, that you dont want to overwrite. |
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| 16:40.40 | diogenes_ | jhutchins_wk, i'm not that familiar with networking so could you provide more details? |
| 16:40.47 | n4dir | ksk: i don't think so. |
| 16:40.47 | ksk | zumba_addict: apt-cache search linux source --names-only |
| 16:41.03 | jhutchins_wk | !based on debian |
| 16:41.03 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 16:41.07 | zumba_addict | that worked! Thanks |
| 16:41.19 | zumba_addict | it's Debian Stretch |
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| 16:41.48 | n4dir | ksk: damn it. sure i think so. that is what i meant, but the manpages tells it in a very hard-to-get-way. |
| 16:41.59 | diogenes_ | ok got it thanks. |
| 16:42.04 | jhutchins_wk | diogenes_: I don't even know what software mx would use to establish a hotspot, so I really can't be more specific. |
| 16:42.45 | jhutchins_wk | diogenes_: All I have is https://mxlinux.org/ |
| 16:43.27 | diogenes_ | jhutchins_wk, ok i'll open a thread there thanks! |
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| 16:44.11 | EdePopede | *sigh*. mc got finally killed. BUT.... i wanted to check what was copied and now i have to wait for the file command to also finish.... too much blood in the coffee for sure -.- |
| 16:44.41 | rydare | yeah diogenes_ it doesn't seem like there's an official irc for that distro, might be worth looking into a more supported distro |
| 16:44.51 | WallacePip | hello, I was copying files to a block device, and it went on to copy even after the displayed number of files (to be copied) was reached, and I stopped it then. can this happen? |
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| 16:45.18 | diogenes_ | rydare, yes, that makes sense. |
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| 16:49.10 | Li | when I run Rufus from command box (after WinKey) and sends a message sudo /usr/bin/unetbootin or su - -c '/usr/bin/unetbootin' |
| 16:49.22 | Li | then it shows the GUI perfectly ... |
| 16:49.35 | Li | if I run the given suggestions it appears as blank window |
| 16:49.54 | Li | any suggestions |
| 16:51.00 | jelly | Li: no idea, but avoid using either rufus or unetbootin for creating debian installer or debian live usb sticks |
| 16:51.44 | jhutchins_wk | WallacePip: Obviously it can, since it did. Your understanding of which files you meant to copy was different that the copy utility's. |
| 16:52.25 | WallacePip | jhutchins_wk, "my understanding of"? I am using the plain old nautilus copy paste |
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| 16:52.58 | WallacePip | it is counting itself the files to be copied at start |
| 16:52.59 | jhutchins_wk | WallacePip: That's one of the dangers of using a GUI for file management. Sometimes you've captured more than you meant to. |
| 16:53.40 | WallacePip | jhutchins_wk, the bizarre thing is that it is not me who counted the files, the program tells me that x files will be copied, and then goes above it |
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| 16:55.14 | WallacePip | I select the files to be copied, and the program counts them and tells how many. |
| 16:55.23 | Li | jelly: I'm trying to create windows 10 usb installer from debian box |
| 16:56.06 | mtn | Li: I hear woeusb is the tool to use for that |
| 16:56.06 | jelly | Li: WoeUSB is probably the right tool |
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| 16:56.16 | jelly | hah |
| 16:56.26 | hexhaxtron | I'm trying to run shellinaboxd and it works but Firefox says: The owner of thunix.org has configured their website improperly. To protect your information from being stolen, Firefox has not connected to this website. |
| 16:56.35 | hexhaxtron | How can I create a certificate for shellinabox that works with Firefox? |
| 16:56.40 | EdePopede | for the files: `umount -l` (lazy unmount) released the blocked partition |
| 16:56.55 | jelly | managed to do it with its previous incarnation, WinUSB |
| 16:57.02 | ksk | ,version shellinaboxd |
| 16:57.03 | judd | No package named 'shellinaboxd' was found in amd64. |
| 16:57.04 | hexhaxtron | I got Let's Encrypt certificates but I don't know how to use them with shellinabox. |
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| 16:57.34 | Li | never heard of it .. googling now |
| 16:57.39 | ksk | hexhaxtron: what is that in the first place? are you trying to mitm some ssl connection? hope its not too easy :) |
| 16:58.10 | ksk | also, use curl maybe for testing, firefox is not too technical with its messages (That one says kind of nothing useful) |
| 16:58.23 | hexhaxtron | ksk, I wanted to provide a Web Shell for all my users. |
| 16:58.25 | n4dir | user$ apt-cache search shellina |
| 16:58.25 | n4dir | shellinabox - publish command line shell through AJAX interface |
| 16:58.41 | n4dir | old-stable though. |
| 16:59.00 | ksk | so you are asking how to host an ssl site? |
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| 16:59.08 | jelly | EdePopede: fwiw, umount -l doesn't actually release resources, it just hides the mountpoint from any further access so new process won't get stuck on it |
| 16:59.28 | jelly | EdePopede: but any kernel or userspace that's already stuck is still stuck |
| 16:59.29 | hexhaxtron | ksk, I just want Firefox to not complain about the certificates when I connect to shellinabox. |
| 16:59.42 | ksk | hexhaxtron: https://thunix.org is fine with me, Id think you might miss recent letsencrypt CA certs on your box which runs firefox? |
| 17:00.11 | hexhaxtron | ksk, wait. |
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| 17:00.36 | hexhaxtron | ksk, try this one: https://thunix.org:6175/ |
| 17:00.38 | ksk | Id google something like "debian $release letsencrypt" or rather upgrade the box to stable if possible ( I am not sure if oldstable has problems with letsencrypt, just assuming here ) |
| 17:01.04 | greycat | hexhaxtron: well obviously you already have a valid cert ON that box on port 80's web server, so what are you doing? |
| 17:01.12 | Primer | (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the GLX module; please check in your X. Nvidia driver installed from apt. Looks like it's using mesa. No amount of update-alternative or apt purge / install gets rid of that. Thoughts? |
| 17:01.22 | Primer | ksk: Do yourself a favor: use acme.sh |
| 17:01.24 | hexhaxtron | greycat, shellinabox doesn't use it... wait. |
| 17:01.29 | ksk | okay, forget what I wrote, curl says you are using a self signed cert? |
| 17:01.41 | ksk | Primer: should that have gone to hexhaxtron? ;) |
| 17:01.47 | Primer | ksk: indeed |
| 17:02.13 | Primer | Seriously though, if you use Letsencrypt, use acme.sh. BY FAR the easiest front end to LE |
| 17:02.18 | greycat | google-chrome says the cert on https://thunix.org is from LE |
| 17:02.38 | greycat | Primer: I used dehydrated, on wheezy. But it was a post-wheezy version. |
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| 17:02.47 | hexhaxtron | greycat, http://paste.debian.net/1041837/ |
| 17:02.59 | hexhaxtron | greycat, however certificate.pem is mod 777 |
| 17:03.03 | greycat | tell me why I should open this paste, what's in it, what am I supposed to look for... |
| 17:03.22 | WallacePip | so the answer is, yes that happens, nautilus does that kind of thing, is it? |
| 17:03.33 | hexhaxtron | greycat, if I run shellinaboxd in /tmp like: shellinaboxd -p 6175 -v |
| 17:03.44 | jelly | I use dehydrated from stretch or jessie-backports on squeeze and wheezy and jessie and everywhere |
| 17:03.44 | hexhaxtron | greycat, it works but Firefox complains about the certificates. |
| 17:03.59 | greycat | You write these things as if I have a clue what they mean. Is shellinaboxd an HTTP service? Can you simply have nginx gateway to it? |
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| 17:04.11 | WallacePip | this is horrible because I don't have a way to know if the files I want to have copied have been really copied |
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| 17:04.34 | ksk | WallacePip: It might not be what you want to hear, but how about using rsync on the CLI? :x |
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| 17:04.48 | hexhaxtron | greycat, it's a Web Shell, a way to use SSH with a browser. |
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| 17:05.06 | greycat | If you've got nginx working on thunix.org:80 then just add a virtual host for your shellinabox thing and gateway to it, and voila. Oh, and of course, you'll need to add the virtual domain to the cert. |
| 17:05.08 | WallacePip | ksk, true, it is not |
| 17:05.16 | jelly | hexhaxtron: does it have a manual? |
| 17:05.33 | greycat | ssh with.... oh, no. no no no no no. bloody hell no. |
| 17:05.38 | hexhaxtron | jelly, I'm not sure. |
| 17:05.41 | greycat | backs away |
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| 17:06.29 | n4dir | WallacePip: as far i can tell: Yes, then there is no way to tell if you have copied the files you want to copy. |
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| 17:08.07 | WallacePip | n4dir, in my entire linux history this never happened before |
| 17:08.26 | ksk | hexhaxtron: it might be a little off but why not run mosh on your server and let the people use the mosh addon for chrome? (mosh is an ssh replacement). You seem to miss fundamental aspects of hosting a multi service architecture, and hosting an ssh terminal via https does not sound too sane in the first place if you would ask me.. (one could argue that about chrome-mosh, too though) |
| 17:09.29 | ksk | If you want to continue on that road Id go with greyca-ts advice and put that app behind an (nginx) reverse proxy and let nginx handle ssl. |
| 17:09.39 | n4dir | WallacePip: if it was me i would probably delete everything which has been copied, start from scratch. If the same happens again, ask the folks who know that filemanager (assuming they have irc or such). |
| 17:10.05 | ksk | there should be plenty of "howtos" (check nginx.org) on reverse proxy setups and/or ssl(Letsencrypt) with nginx |
| 17:10.06 | n4dir | sure sounds weird, but i don't know filemanagers. |
| 17:10.14 | EdePopede | jelly: seems to have worked at least... the blocking processes are gone, fs is ok, reconnected, mounted (ro for the moment). waiting if errors show up |
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| 17:14.17 | WallacePip | when the initial file count was reached, there were still many files to be copied, which shows that the initial count was not correct |
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| 17:17.54 | petn-randall | WallacePip: How did you count the files in the first place? |
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| 17:18.29 | WallacePip | petn-randall, I didnt count them. nautilus counts them before copying |
| 17:18.40 | WallacePip | it calls that "preparing files" |
| 17:19.51 | petn-randall | WallacePip: Maybe the number of files changed in between? |
| 17:22.28 | WallacePip | petn-randall, I have no idea how that may have happened |
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| 17:25.29 | n4dir | with that little info ("it did happen") it sure is hard to tell for anyone else. |
| 17:27.30 | n4dir | did directories get copied too? do all files come from one directory? do all files go into one directory? hidden files involved? etc. Still nautilus users should be the better audience for such a question. |
| 17:29.24 | WallacePip | n4dir, it followed the regular order of files and folders, only the displayed count fell short of the real total |
| 17:30.25 | EdePopede | WallacePip: just an idea: hardlinks? |
| 17:30.32 | n4dir | i think everyone did understand that. |
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| 17:34.25 | petn-randall | WallacePip: If in doubt, use Nautilus to copy those files, and use `rsync --dry-run <params>` to verify it got fully copied. It will tell you which files are missing. |
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| 17:36.35 | Primer | cd /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/; mv libglx.so libglx.so.wtf; restart X (not reboot) |
| 17:36.56 | Primer | [490632.552] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/linux/libglx.so |
| 17:36.58 | Primer | [490632.618] (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" |
| 17:37.01 | Primer | fixed |
| 17:37.06 | Primer | Didn't reboot |
| 17:37.09 | Primer | FYI |
| 17:37.43 | Primer | bnet working |
| 17:38.04 | Primer | waiting for it to tell me wow is playable before trying... |
| 17:38.10 | WallacePip | petn-randall, I've done a manual check, individual file counts of folders match the source. I will note the command for this happens again, thank you! |
| 17:38.17 | Primer | fonts are still hosed |
| 17:40.20 | Primer | And there we go. Frame rate in wow is what I expected. |
| 17:40.42 | petn-randall | Primer: Not much we can say about it since you left out all the relevant details. |
| 17:41.45 | Primer | glx in X was using mesa. Seemed to be a distro issue. Moved libglx.so from mesa out of the way, restarted X, now all is well |
| 17:41.51 | petn-randall | But I'd say if you start renaming system files broken fonts are the least surprise. |
| 17:42.05 | Primer | naw, that's a known thing with a missing font package |
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| 17:42.20 | petn-randall | Primer: Which distro release? |
| 17:42.51 | Primer | Debian 9, but using testing |
| 17:43.22 | WallacePip | thank you all for your insights! |
| 17:43.49 | petn-randall | Primer: That's contradictionary. 9 is stable, 10 is testing. |
| 17:44.21 | petn-randall | Or is it a mix of both? |
| 17:44.36 | Primer | It's 9 using testing repo |
| 17:44.52 | greycat | In other words it's testing? |
| 17:44.59 | Primer | or whatever the term is. I have testing in sources.list, not stretch |
| 17:45.06 | greycat | You upgraded from 9 to testing. |
| 17:45.20 | Primer | that |
| 17:45.28 | Primer | Sorry, not up to speed with all the lingo |
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| 17:46.15 | Primer | But yeah, co-worker has the same exact hardware I have, same distro setup in the exact same way, nvidia packages all installed from Debian repos, his worked out of the box, mine did not |
| 17:46.18 | petn-randall | Primer: If you're running testing, I'm sure you're fully aware that this is not a finished release that is still in heavy change, and things regularly break there. |
| 17:46.33 | petn-randall | Primer: Maybe because he was running stable? |
| 17:46.36 | RoyK | !testing |
| 17:46.37 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <buster>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
| 17:46.37 | Primer | Obviously I did something else that caused this issue, but I don't think it was anything done outside of distro norms |
| 17:46.48 | Primer | I do have an xorg.conf, but that's because I have 4 displays |
| 17:47.10 | Primer | oops, I thought I was in #nvidia :) my bad |
| 17:48.28 | Primer | petn-randall: yes, I understand that testing will have issues. It's only that my co-worker did pretty much the same thing I did to install and upgrade to testing, and his machine worked out of the box and mine did not. The only difference? I have an xorg.conf, he does not. |
| 17:48.46 | Primer | But I may have done other things that I don't recall |
| 17:49.06 | brokencycle | Hi! I'm having a problem with my zsh (on stretch): everytime I log in, zsh prints the /etc/motd and the environment. I don't know where to turn this off, at least for non-interactive sessions. |
| 17:49.24 | petn-randall | Primer: Your renaming of system files will definitely break again on the next package upgrade. |
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| 17:49.52 | petn-randall | So I recommend finding a better way to accomplish what you want, likely by setting the right things in your xorg.conf. |
| 17:50.17 | Primer | petn-randall: I know. I just wanted the immediate problem solved. Hoping the problem, if one of the distro, solves itself after some time |
| 17:51.08 | Primer | I doubt the xorg.conf is the problem, but I know entries in there can affect what X modules get loaded |
| 17:51.16 | petn-randall | Primer: If you lurk in the testing channel, you'll notice that the non-free nvidia drivers break periodically. Maybe your coworker did the upgrade a day before, and those packages we're still all good. |
| 17:51.28 | Primer | I only mentioned it because it's the one thing that stood out |
| 17:52.10 | Primer | petn-randall: excellent observation. He did install his machine several weeks before I installed mine, and he doesn't not apt ugprade willy nilly like I do |
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| 17:52.23 | Primer | s/not// |
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| 17:58.08 | at0m | Primer: on testing, i got a bunch of different kernels, not sure if its the nvidia drivers but only kernel 4.15 gets me to a desktop. |
| 17:59.19 | Primer | at0m: There were some issues with the driver and early version of that kernel |
| 17:59.55 | at0m | Primer: oh, and 4.17.0-3-amd64 runs ok with it, too |
| 18:00.35 | Primer | 4.17.17-1 here, and it's fine, now that I fixed that libglx issue |
| 18:01.11 | Primer | But AFAIK, the issues were GL, and would not have prevented X from working |
| 18:02.06 | at0m | for more, irc.oftc.net/debian-next =) |
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| 18:05.13 | LaScoumoune | Hi all, debian strecht have no add a new support for HDMI, because i cant work that properly, Ihave an intel and an Nvidia card i have try many time and always not work. ANy have a good idea ?? |
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| 18:05.58 | gvvg_ | Hi - does anyone know of a live cd that could do some penetration testing? or other suggestion? |
| 18:07.10 | Habbie | gvvg_, Kali is popular for that - but I'm not even sure it's Debian based |
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| 18:07.25 | gvvg_ | ah yes I was just on their website - reading :) |
| 18:07.31 | gvvg_ | thanks Habbie |
| 18:07.40 | greycat | It's Debian-based, for whatever that's worth. |
| 18:07.49 | greycat | (nothing in this channel) |
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| 18:08.44 | rakor | I'm new to systemd. How can I see which services are started at boottime? |
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| 18:11.15 | brokencycle | rakor: look in /etc/systemd |
| 18:12.01 | rakor | hmm... ok, thanks. Is there a newbie-reference somewhere? |
| 18:12.16 | petn-randall | rakor: `systemctl list-unit-files` will show you a list. The 2nd column shows you if it's enabled or something else. |
| 18:12.37 | rakor | thanks :) |
| 18:12.51 | petn-randall | brokencycle: That won't show you the whole picture. |
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| 18:40.37 | queip | one of my debian machines seem to reject incoming ethernet data sent to broadcast mac (ff:ff:ff...), on another computer it works... is there a setting to reject incoming mac broadcast? |
| 18:41.06 | queip | data is delivered to it's NIC, because it is sent from directly attached computer sending raw ethernet broadcast frames (no switch/router in between) |
| 18:41.18 | queip | it's interface stats, like bmon, show no data is received |
| 18:42.15 | jelly | queip: do you see the frames with a sniffer, like "tcpdump -ni eth0" ? |
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| 18:43.13 | jelly | also, is link up and does other traffic pass arrive normally |
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| 18:45.11 | queip | jelly: tcpdump -ni does not see it on that machine, sees it on another machine |
| 18:46.09 | greycat | are you sure the packets are going to the machine? how is the network laid out? |
| 18:46.11 | fearnothing | hi guys, if I'm running stretch, what would I need to do to get squid 4? Don't really think I want to use the unstable branch |
| 18:46.12 | queip | jelly: other traffic seems to work, also other ethernet frames |
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| 18:46.22 | queip | greycat: directly attached |
| 18:46.37 | fearnothing | experimental likewise is probably not my bag |
| 18:46.40 | queip | sending machine's NIC goes directly via cable to receiver NIC |
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| 18:46.57 | greycat | ,checkbackport squid |
| 18:47.08 | judd | Backporting package squid in sidâstretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, virtual. |
| 18:47.14 | greycat | fearnothing: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 18:47.58 | jelly | queip: so that means if there's a tunable it will have to be in the driver, whether via ethtool or some other API |
| 18:48.18 | brokencycle | petn-randall: what would be missing? |
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| 18:48.51 | jelly | queip: while it's not precisely their topic, someone from #Netfilter might know more |
| 18:49.48 | jelly | queip: do you happen to know which card and driver works and which seems not to? |
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| 18:50.48 | jelly | ,v squid3 |
| 18:50.49 | judd | Package: squid3 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.1.20-2.2+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 3.1.20-2.2+deb7u8; jessie: 3.4.8-6+deb8u5; jessie-security: 3.4.8-6+deb8u5; sid: 3.5.23-5; stretch: 3.5.23-5+deb9u1; stretch-security: 3.5.23-5+deb9u1; sid: 3.5.27-1; buster: 4.2-2; sid: 4.2-2 |
| 18:52.45 | queip | jelly: hm, isn't it required for NIC to receive broadcast-mac packets, because without it nothing would work in networkin, e.g. ARP would fail? |
| 18:53.21 | jelly | queip: does arp fail? |
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| 18:56.21 | queip | jelly: how to hide from tcpdump given ethtype? |
| 18:57.09 | queip | or show only given athtype |
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| 19:00.29 | jhutchins_wk | queip: Hardware problem. |
| 19:01.03 | jhutchins_wk | It's what happens when you gamble on a $3 NIC. |
| 19:01.33 | petn-randall | brokencycle: you'll at least have disabled/masked units listed under that path. |
| 19:02.07 | jelly | queip: no idea, I can't even find the correct man page for BPF filter syntax |
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| 19:04.34 | queip | jhutchins_wk: it's a 200$ NIC |
| 19:04.43 | jelly | queip: ah. > ether proto protocol -- True if the packet is of ether type protocol |
| 19:05.00 | queip | puts on some gold chains |
| 19:05.20 | jelly | tcpdump -ni eth0 ether proto 8902 # wfm |
| 19:05.25 | queip | oh nice |
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| 19:05.45 | queip | jelly: btw I noticed, no both "good" and "bad" computer, tcp does receive some broadcast, just not from my test program |
| 19:05.55 | jelly | queip: but which $200 NIC and which driver |
| 19:06.07 | queip | both receive e.g. 19:04:04.445734 00:1b:21:bc:8d:31 > ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff, ethertype Unknown (0xfc00), length 76 |
| 19:07.15 | queip | jelly: not working one is netxen_nic, working is ixgbe. but still could be system's fault, not NIC's |
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| 19:08.12 | jelly | queip: and do you have firmware for netxen installed? |
| 19:08.31 | jelly | oh, apparently 0x8902 |
| 19:09.03 | queip | jelly: version: 4.0.82 firmware-version: 4.0.593 (it is the one from Debian repository) |
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| 19:09.47 | jelly | ,v firmware-netxen |
| 19:09.48 | judd | Package: firmware-netxen on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-3~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-3; stretch-backports/non-free: 20170823-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20180825+dfsg-1; sid/non-free: 20180825+dfsg-1 |
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| 19:10.00 | queip | card works quite ok otherwise |
| 19:10.31 | queip | ii firmware-netxen 20161130-3 |
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| 19:10.55 | jelly | you could try the one from backports but I doubt it'll make a difference |
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| 19:12.09 | jelly | I've had nothing but trouble with qlogic 10G cards but this is anecdotal evidence, sample was exactly one model |
| 19:12.50 | jelly | still, overheating is not quite the same as pretending frames do not happen |
| 19:13.17 | jelly | queip: stupid question, does the little led light blink when the packet arrives? :-) |
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| 19:13.48 | queip | jelly: can't test right now, as there is other traffic there so it would blink anyway, can turn it off later |
| 19:13.49 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'd like to set an environment variable, globally at boot, even for noninteractive shells. but i need to to equal the output of a command. e.g. foobar=$(/usr/bin/something) |
| 19:13.53 | NoImNotNineVolt | is that even possible? |
| 19:13.56 | greycat | HE IS AN UBUNTU USER |
| 19:14.05 | queip | PITCHFORKS ACTIVATED |
| 19:14.06 | greycat | HE TRIED THIS SHIT IN #BASH |
| 19:14.08 | NoImNotNineVolt | lol :P |
| 19:14.18 | NoImNotNineVolt | it's actually amazon linux now, i think? |
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| 19:14.39 | jelly | !autobots roll out |
| 19:14.57 | NoImNotNineVolt | quietly tiptoes over to oftc to crosspost there :P |
| 19:15.02 | annadane | NO |
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| 19:15.22 | annadane | i am there. i will eat you and your children. |
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| 19:16.14 | queip | ubuntu users aren't allowed in #bash tho? |
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| 19:18.36 | greycat | They are allowed to ask bash questions, of course. But when they ask about OS-specific boot stuff, and they are directed to their OS channels, and they refuse to go there, well.... |
| 19:22.13 | queip | jelly: confirmed, the led blinks faster when flooding with such eth frames fast |
| 19:22.20 | queip | on receiving |
| 19:22.58 | queip | god damn, this leds are such inconvintly placed and dim |
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| 19:27.30 | queip | jelly: it doesn't see (count) them even at ethtool -S level |
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| 19:27.47 | queip | maybe this packages are malformed and netxen completly ignores them hm |
| 19:27.56 | jelly | so blame either the driver or the firmware or the card |
| 19:28.13 | jelly | packets |
| 19:28.22 | queip | is there a tool to generate broadcast ethernet traffic? |
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| 19:29.06 | jelly | no idea, scapy? |
| 19:29.23 | queip | and, are there really no settings in /proc or somewhere to ignore "strange" packages, like there was some ignore martians settings, for one |
| 19:29.39 | queip | maybe it's on. iptables and other firewalls are off (at system defaults) |
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| 19:30.15 | jelly | it would have appeared on the ether level. |
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| 19:31.22 | jelly | not counted, nothing in tcpdump, means roughly it did not get to the kernel and that puts you in driver-specific teritory |
| 19:31.56 | jelly | tcpdump sees traffic that gets blocked by netfilter (iptables or whatever the current one is called) |
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| 19:33.02 | RoyK | better use tshark - tcpdump is rather tcpdumb |
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| 19:33.12 | rander2 | hello |
| 19:33.18 | rander2 | !help |
| 19:33.32 | RoyK | dpkg: tell rander2 about ask |
| 19:34.13 | annadane | rander2, just ask your question, we'll try to answer it |
| 19:34.25 | annadane | also !tell isn't immediately obvious |
| 19:34.37 | queip | who should fill in MAC of sender, the program doing raw send, or is it filled in by kernel/driver/firmware of card always to MAC of card it goes through |
| 19:34.43 | queip | (in the packet) |
| 19:35.20 | jelly | if you have raw socket API you can put in anything I guess |
| 19:35.47 | queip | maybe netxen auto detects MAC on other side and drops if packets do not match |
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| 19:38.34 | rander2 | I mounted a htfs partition, but the partition is in read only mode |
| 19:38.36 | queip | greycat: lol he moved to archlinux |
| 19:38.43 | queip | (just saying for lolz) |
| 19:38.54 | RoyK | htfs? ntfs? hpfs? |
| 19:38.58 | rander2 | I tried to change it with chmod 770 , but it don't change |
| 19:39.04 | rander2 | ntfs |
| 19:39.05 | greycat | because obviously arch linux users will know how to alter the boot stuff on an ubuntu box |
| 19:39.47 | rander2 | ls -ld mnt/ |
| 19:39.47 | rander2 | dr-x------ 1 root root 16384 set 5 01:00 mnt/ |
| 19:39.58 | RoyK | rander2: better use ntfs3g |
| 19:40.01 | greycat | 15:39 rander2> ntfs |
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| 19:40.05 | rander2 | must I change umask > |
| 19:40.10 | rander2 | ? |
| 19:40.18 | greycat | Why would you expect Unix permissions to work on NTFS? |
| 19:40.21 | RoyK | don't use ntfs on linux |
| 19:40.35 | rander2 | on ubuntu ntfs work |
| 19:40.40 | rander2 | only on debian no |
| 19:40.53 | RoyK | rander2: why do you want to use ntfs? |
| 19:40.56 | greycat | Then go use Ubuntu. |
| 19:40.59 | rander2 | I must use this partition |
| 19:41.13 | greycat | !listkeys ntfs |
| 19:41.15 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ntfs' by key (15 of 38): #debian captiventfs ;; #debian ntfs ;; #debian ntfsro ;; #debian ntfsrw ;; #debian read-ntfs ;; #debian user accessible ntfs ;; _default captiventfs ;; _default ntfs rw ;; _default ntfsrw ;; ntfs resizing ;; ntfsclone ;; ntfsmount ;; ntfsrw ;; rsync to ntfs ;; user accessible ntfs. |
| 19:41.21 | greycat | !ntfsrw |
| 19:41.21 | dpkg | NTFS-3G is a userspace driver providing NTFS read and write support. "aptitude install ntfs-3g". Usage examples: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/#usage . Also ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
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| 19:42.02 | rander2 | so if I install ntfs-3g work ? |
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| 19:43.17 | yokowka | hyskaru, heavenO, let's one on one talk??)) |
| 19:43.32 | vjacob | have you ever read of plans to offer a port of FreeBSD ZFS (or similar) to Debian (or another relevant Linux distribution)? |
| 19:44.08 | LtL | rander2: yes it will, using the correct mount syntax of course. You need FUSE also, but that should be present. |
| 19:44.13 | greycat | is that somehow different from the existing zfs-on-linux stuff? |
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| 19:44.30 | rander2 | ok thx all |
| 19:44.38 | rander2 | now go |
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| 19:45.08 | rgr | zfs root is a google away |
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| 19:46.20 | Li | I was suggested ealier here to isntall/use WoeUSB to make bootable usb but it's not installing! |
| 19:46.41 | Li | followed this tutorial https://www.fossmint.com/woeusb-create-bootable-windows-usb-sticks-from-linux/ |
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| 19:47.23 | Li | is it ok to download/install these .deb files on debian 9.3? https://pkgs.org/download/woeusb |
| 19:48.18 | rander2 | installing ntfs-3g I obtained this warning : https://pastebin.com/zCRKRUdZ |
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| 19:48.51 | annadane | for future reference, it's preferable to use paste.debian.net |
| 19:48.53 | annadane | !pastebin.com |
| 19:48.53 | dpkg | pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 19:48.54 | rander2 | are they proprietary firmware ? I'm using deb 9.5 amd64 |
| 19:49.17 | LtL | rander2: you need realtek firmware |
| 19:49.27 | annadane | package firmware-realtek |
| 19:49.38 | vjacob | greycat, not necessarily, but i haven't checked in in a long while |
| 19:49.47 | annadane | you don't *need* it as such. it depends on your needs |
| 19:49.51 | vjacob | regards to all and thanks for a great distro |
| 19:51.05 | jelly | rander2: if your wired ethernet works, you can ignore those non-fatal warnings of missing firmware |
| 19:51.09 | rander2 | annadane, ok, they are firmware of audio card |
| 19:51.38 | annadane | most people will just install it to get it over with, though |
| 19:51.43 | annadane | in case they do need it in future |
| 19:51.44 | jelly | rtl_nic is NOT audio card, it's wired ethernet |
| 19:51.50 | annadane | depends on your stance on non-free software |
| 19:52.16 | jelly | nost people don't need TCP checksum hw offload |
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| 19:52.44 | jelly | if your wired ethernet works, do NOT install firmware for it. That can actually introduce problems. |
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| 19:53.10 | rander2 | eth0 work, I confuse it with audio card, that is realtek too |
| 19:53.25 | yokowka_ | hyskaru, lost connection.... |
| 19:53.50 | jelly | so ignore that. It's probably going to appear on every initramfs rebuild |
| 19:53.53 | hyskaru | yokowka_: No problem |
| 19:54.09 | yokowka_ | make one on one talk |
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| 19:57.37 | annadane | i actually was not aware firmware could cause problems |
| 19:57.38 | annadane | TIL |
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| 19:59.18 | queip | how would you capture ethernet data on one computer |
| 19:59.28 | queip | to later open it in wireshark on anotehr computer |
| 19:59.33 | queip | (the working computer is headless) |
| 20:00.10 | ksk | queip: tcpdump |
| 20:00.23 | queip | just -w? it's the best format? |
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| 20:01.49 | ksk | thats the one I used so far, no Idea if there are "better" ones. |
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| 20:02.10 | ksk | you can also give it -i for an specific interface |
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| 20:14.38 | queip | jelly: problem resolved. guess what was it |
| 20:14.55 | queip | hint: fix was applied in sending program |
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| 20:16.20 | jelly | pebkac? |
| 20:16.32 | jelly | a layer8 error? |
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| 20:16.52 | jelly | an id-10 t issue? |
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| 20:17.14 | queip | jelly: this raw data was random, but it had ethertype set to IPv4 |
| 20:17.34 | queip | apparently netxen is so "nice" that it pre-filters somehow incorrect ipv4 frames (wrong checksums etc) |
| 20:17.45 | jelly | ouch |
| 20:17.46 | queip | so early that it doesn't even show up in stats |
| 20:18.13 | queip | probably would show up in --phy-statistics , but netxen driver doesn't provide that :) |
| 20:19.27 | queip | generally it's a nice function there, but it really should count it as "dropped" |
| 20:20.36 | queip | instead of ethtool -S eth3 |
| 20:20.40 | queip | rx_dropped: 0 |
| 20:20.43 | queip | cakes: 1 |
| 20:20.44 | queip | you lier |
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| 20:41.18 | roylaprattep | Currently am on Debian Jessie, I want to dist-upgrade to Strech, it's a small home server with not so many packages, would it probably go flawlessly? |
| 20:41.53 | greycat | Nothing is 100% guaranteed, but servers typically upgrade from 8->9 with no issues. |
| 20:42.12 | greycat | The biggest changes are in the video drivers, which affect workstations/laptops more. |
| 20:42.24 | roylaprattep | Headless server. |
| 20:43.24 | bites | will probably require you to make some manual config merges. like every distribution upgrade. |
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| 20:43.42 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/NewInStretch and the release notes |
| 20:43.49 | roylaprattep | bites: I always use new configurations, then do them again from scratch from a backup. |
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| 20:44.31 | roylaprattep | I hate to merge 2 differents config files together. |
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| 20:52.03 | rander2 | I upgraded from 8 to 9.5 yesterday, and there is a bug in pppoe-discovery program, it's go only with the classic eth0 interfacrs |
| 20:52.53 | rander2 | another problem is to locate the .deb on memory-stick or dvd |
| 20:54.07 | rander2 | basically is the machine is connected with pppoe or pppoatm , by default debian don't install pppoe , and it's impossible install it manually |
| 20:55.45 | rander2 | debian try to connect to the bridge with dhclient , the bridge give it a private IP, typically 192.168.*.* , but the internet connection don't go without pppoe program |
| 20:56.38 | rander2 | finish installation, it's impossible install pppoe manually to complety upgrade on line. This is a problem. |
| 20:56.54 | greycat | what's the bug number? |
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| 21:01.55 | fearnothing | would my PID file not existing be the reason ssl_crtd helpers crash too rapidly? |
| 21:02.08 | fearnothing | oh wait, wrong channel |
| 21:02.42 | fearnothing | if you guys happen to know how to configure squid with tor/privoxy/ssl_bump, then answers are welcome, otherwise I'll ask in the right channel :D |
| 21:03.50 | at0m | a caching proxy? or tor? hmm |
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| 21:04.06 | at0m | why does that not sound like a good idea? |
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| 21:10.41 | fearnothing | at0m, depends what you want to do |
| 21:10.59 | at0m | fearnothing: right, considered that later. depends on the usecase |
| 21:11.01 | fearnothing | if you want to sandbox malware and break out its C2 traffic, it's a great idea |
| 21:11.29 | fearnothing | anything else and it's probably bad :D |
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| 21:12.11 | at0m | yea if you're after anonymity, cache will sell you out |
| 21:13.28 | fearnothing | well, in this case anonymity is safe |
| 21:13.57 | AciD` | hey guys, any ideas why and when `time` output on Debian isn't the usual 'real', 'user' and 'system' 3 lines? Now I get that : 'du -sh . 0,00s user 0,00s system 71% cpu 0,003 total' |
| 21:14.16 | fearnothing | I control the cache, the only user is my sandbox, and it's on a host only network in its hypervisor |
| 21:17.45 | at0m | fearnothing: just wanted to point out the obvious risk with caching for typical tor usecase |
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| 21:33.40 | fearnothing | yeah no worries at0m :) most people are not going to be doing what I am |
| 21:33.47 | fearnothing | I'm a bit of a nutter |
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| 21:34.05 | at0m | nick says it all ;p |
| 21:34.45 | at0m | fits the job :) |
| 21:35.29 | fearnothing | most people's job with relation to malware: don't click that sh*t |
| 21:35.41 | fearnothing | my job with relation to malware: CLICK IIIIIIIIT <3 |
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| 23:54.42 | bodqhrohro | How do I list installed packages that are in "recommends" section of some other installed packages but in no one's "depends"? |
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| 23:56.29 | bodqhrohro | Hopefully, it's a common use case, after figuring out that APT::Install-Recommends was overridden to "true" for a long time :D |