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| 00:08.13 | magyar | hi, I have an issue with the latest esr firefox on stable, I'm not able to press the hamburger menu |
| 00:08.26 | magyar | is there a way to revert back to esr 52? |
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| 00:08.53 | magyar | the update was to esr 60.2 |
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| 00:12.11 | magyar | it seems to be something with opengl render |
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| 00:15.44 | magyar | it seems to work fine with amd graphics but for intel the opengl render is not working |
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| 02:30.55 | michael2 | what is syncing |
| 02:30.57 | tomreyn | sync means emptying the storage write cache |
| 02:30.59 | michael2 | ? |
| 02:31.19 | RoyK | sync means "write everything to disk now!" |
| 02:31.28 | michael2 | ah, ok but Im running ext4 - so that shouldn't matter right? |
| 02:31.44 | tomreyn | i.e. writing out data that was meant to be written to disk (but was cached for a while) now, not delay it further. |
| 02:32.31 | tomreyn | it can matter, if therE's anything in the cache |
| 02:32.41 | tomreyn | ...such data will be lost |
| 02:33.33 | michael2 | so basically if I can't sync the harddisk write cache - it means its possible to have lost data, but because ext4 does journaling, I shouldn't need to fsck the disk? is that right? |
| 02:34.22 | tomreyn | you'll still need to fsck, since you have mounted file systems, i.e. their dirty bit is set, and they wont be unmounted cleanly |
| 02:34.40 | tomreyn | also, partial writes may have taken place in this state. |
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| 02:34.58 | michael2 | is there a command to check whether a disk needs to be fsck'ed? |
| 02:35.33 | tomreyn | disks dont need to be fsck'd, file systems need to be. and not every file system works the same. |
| 02:35.34 | RoyK | fsck it |
| 02:35.47 | RoyK | michael2: smartctl -a /dev/sdX |
| 02:36.15 | RoyK | michael2: but just fsck the fs if it seems bad |
| 02:36.22 | michael2 | does that do the fsck or tell me whether it needs to be checked? |
| 02:36.56 | RoyK | you can try a dry run |
| 02:36.58 | RoyK | read only |
| 02:37.01 | michael2 | is it even possible to know if a disk has bad blocks without going over all 320GB's worth of blocks? |
| 02:37.21 | RoyK | but hey - just fsck the disk - it only takes a wee while |
| 02:37.25 | magyar | hi, I'm having issues with my lenovo laptop using stable and the new firefox ESR 60 version, only xrender works but not opengl |
| 02:37.25 | RoyK | umount first |
| 02:38.24 | michael2 | RoyK: ok I'll fsck. so `sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda` is the command to perform the fsck? |
| 02:38.53 | RoyK | michael2: no - smartctl asks the disk's controller how it's doing |
| 02:38.53 | tomreyn | dumpe2fs -h /dev/BLOCKDEV | grep '^Filesystem state:' |
| 02:39.18 | michael2 | RoyK: ah, ok |
| 02:39.31 | tomreyn | ^ check file system state according to superblock |
| 02:40.05 | michael2 | so do these commands check the filesystems state by inspecting the filesystem's journal? |
| 02:40.35 | RoyK | michael2: umount the fs, fsck it |
| 02:40.54 | RoyK | michael2: the journal isn't used if the filesystem is unmounted properly before checked |
| 02:43.16 | michael2 | tomreyn: ok, so by not sync'ing the disk controllers write cache to disk, I've potentially lost data. is this data that the operating system needs to function, or my data my programs may have been in the process of writing to disk. or both? |
| 02:44.20 | RoyK | ext4 only holds data for a few seconds at most before flushing them |
| 02:44.31 | RoyK | running "sync" will dump them to dosk |
| 02:44.52 | RoyK | michael2: is this a realtime-database-system? |
| 02:45.05 | RoyK | michael2: or is it a regular file server? |
| 02:45.23 | RoyK | (or webserver or whatever) |
| 02:45.58 | michael2 | and this data is being held on the storage chip of the hard disk itself right (usually in the order or 32/64MB) |
| 02:46.06 | RoyK | and again, run "reboot" and the filesystem will be unmounted or at least remounted read-only before the reboot |
| 02:46.42 | RoyK | touch /forcefsck ; reboot |
| 02:46.47 | tomreyn | michael2: can be anything, i wont know. usually thanks to journalling magic you dont actually have data loss, but this isn't guaranteed without syncing. |
| 02:47.34 | RoyK | tomreyn: the reboot command runs "shutdown -r now", shutting things down properly |
| 02:47.42 | michael2 | the system is a laptop - no DB or server or SCSI - normal commodity laptop. its currently completely locked up - there is no chance of any control |
| 02:47.49 | michael2 | or commands or anything |
| 02:47.58 | RoyK | then just reboot it |
| 02:48.01 | RoyK | no problem |
| 02:48.21 | tomreyn | RoyK: yes, but michael2's system is or was (not sure they sysrq-b'd yet) not responsive so there wont be "shutdown -r now" |
| 02:48.44 | RoyK | tomreyn: then sysrq+s,u,b |
| 02:49.13 | tomreyn | RoyK: that's what we discussed during the past 20 minutes michael2 hasn't yet decided to actually reboot ;) |
| 02:49.40 | RoyK | michael2: do you have a backup? |
| 02:49.48 | michael2 | tomreyn: I was hoping it would restore to the point I could at least run <sysrq + SUB> |
| 02:50.08 | michael2 | RoyK: yes, but I would lose a weeks work |
| 02:50.34 | michael2 | if I needed to go back to backup - but I dont think that much data should be lost |
| 02:50.49 | RoyK | michael2: do you have an active terminal? |
| 02:50.51 | tomreyn | michael2: i see. keep in mind that the data loss will be minimal, some bytes, which pretty much all applications can recover from. |
| 02:51.10 | michael2 | RoyK: no |
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| 02:51.23 | RoyK | michael2: then there's nothing to lose |
| 02:51.39 | RoyK | michael2: reboot the PoS and if it doesn't work, go on with recovery |
| 02:51.45 | RoyK | on another machine |
| 02:52.54 | michael2 | thats what i figured, the data loss will be limited to only those processes which were actively in the process of writing to disk |
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| 02:53.16 | RoyK | michael2: alt+sysrq S U B |
| 02:53.44 | michael2 | RoyK: that wont' work |
| 02:54.04 | RoyK | if alt+sysrq B doesn't work, something is rather ba |
| 02:54.05 | RoyK | if alt+sysrq B doesn't work, something is rather bad |
| 02:54.10 | RoyK | power it off |
| 02:54.15 | michael2 | yes, its bad |
| 02:54.24 | RoyK | poweroff |
| 02:54.27 | RoyK | poweron |
| 02:54.42 | RoyK | check if it comes up again |
| 02:54.58 | michael2 | yeah, I have no other choice |
| 02:55.07 | RoyK | no |
| 02:57.10 | michael2 | wait I hit power button and I got a terminal back |
| 02:57.23 | michael2 | I wll <sysrq + SUB> |
| 03:00.54 | tomreyn | so the acpi signal made it operable again, happens sometimes. |
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| 03:01.48 | michael2 | yeah |
| 03:01.59 | michael2 | trying for a shell now... |
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| 03:05.18 | michael2 | wasn't able to get a shell - But I was able to <sysrq + SUB> |
| 03:06.20 | Noldorin | Hi. I've got a RAID1 array that somehow lost a device. How can I fix this? |
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| 03:07.30 | gerforce | Noldorin: reconnect that driver |
| 03:07.41 | Noldorin | gerforce, how do I do that? |
| 03:07.53 | Noldorin | I need to do something with mdadm |
| 03:07.57 | Noldorin | but I don't know what |
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| 03:09.54 | tomreyn | Noldorin: first of all you should try to find out why the device was dropped. |
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| 03:10.04 | Noldorin | yeah, I have no idea there |
| 03:10.13 | tomreyn | did you exmaine system logs? |
| 03:10.26 | SerajewelKS | check syslog for a message from mdadm |
| 03:10.41 | SerajewelKS | if the device really is okay you can put it back with "mdadm /dev/mdN --add /dev/sdXX" |
| 03:10.46 | tomreyn | there's no point in reassembling a mirror raid if a device is bad. |
| 03:10.46 | SerajewelKS | substituting the proper devices, of course |
| 03:11.34 | SerajewelKS | i would suggest checking smartctl output for the drive that failed and looking for signs of failure, too |
| 03:11.45 | SerajewelKS | if it says the device has bad sectors, there is your answer |
| 03:12.27 | Noldorin | how do I check the system log? I'm really new to this. |
| 03:12.35 | SerajewelKS | less /var/log/syslog |
| 03:13.19 | SerajewelKS | and poke around in there. if you want to see the SMART data for the drive, it's "smartctl /dev/sdXX -a" |
| 03:13.32 | SerajewelKS | but only on the drive (not a partition, i had one extra X in there) |
| 03:13.40 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, tomreyn this might be relevant: https://hastebin.com/udavobojax |
| 03:14.08 | SerajewelKS | 0 out of 2 mirrors means the whole array is gone |
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| 03:14.21 | Noldorin | there's no smartctl program |
| 03:14.22 | Noldorin | oh? |
| 03:14.45 | SerajewelKS | you have to install it, "apt install smartmon-tools" i think |
| 03:14.48 | Noldorin | but it shows up in cat /proc/mdstat |
| 03:15.04 | SerajewelKS | perhaps that was during early boot and the other device became available later? |
| 03:15.16 | SerajewelKS | was there a power cut or some other unexpected shutdown event? |
| 03:15.20 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, yeah probably |
| 03:15.22 | Noldorin | might have been |
| 03:15.27 | Noldorin | I suspect this happened a while ago |
| 03:15.31 | Noldorin | haven't used it recently |
| 03:15.42 | michael2 | tomreyn: oh, man I just saw what I did to crash my system: I wrote a shell function,but inside that shell function definition - due to a copy paste error, I made that shell function call itself! infinite recursion :( |
| 03:15.47 | SerajewelKS | "non-fresh" usually indicates that, during a write operation, one drive was written to but the other wasn't and the array is therefore inconsistent |
| 03:15.57 | tomreyn | Noldorin: if the "kicking non-fresh /dev/sda1 from array!" is the only error message (make sure of this! check smart state first), then reassembling it should be fine. |
| 03:16.02 | SerajewelKS | Noldorin: i would double-check the smartctl output |
| 03:16.07 | Noldorin | okay |
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| 03:16.23 | SerajewelKS | if you want to be paranoid, remove the device entirely, wipe the metadata, and re-add it so that it does a full resync |
| 03:16.35 | SerajewelKS | removing the device from the array, i mean |
| 03:16.41 | tomreyn | michael2: \o/ hopefully no lives depends on proper operation of this software. |
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| 03:17.11 | SerajewelKS | Noldorin: can you share your /proc/mdstat? |
| 03:17.51 | Noldorin | Personalities : [raid1] |
| 03:17.51 | Noldorin | md0 : inactive sdb1[1](S) |
| 03:17.52 | Noldorin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:17.53 | Noldorin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:17.54 | Noldorin | unused devices: <none> |
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| 03:18.15 | Noldorin | eh, guess a 5 line paste is too much... |
| 03:18.41 | SerajewelKS | "inactive" |
| 03:18.47 | SerajewelKS | so the array isn't running |
| 03:18.51 | michael2 | tomreyn: no lives (human, robot or animal) Ive had a crash like this in the past - there was a process attached to git task - it corrupted then entire git repo - (not keen to go through that again) |
| 03:19.26 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, tomreyn also, they're not smart disks aparently |
| 03:19.35 | SerajewelKS | really? that's very surprising. |
| 03:20.00 | SerajewelKS | what happens if you try to start the array? |
| 03:20.25 | tomreyn | Noldorin: pretty much every HDD and SSD support S.M.A.R.T. nowadays. |
| 03:20.46 | tomreyn | !paste | Noldorin |
| 03:20.46 | dpkg | | Noldorin: put your output on http://paste.debian.net/ so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 03:21.09 | Noldorin | maybe because this is a USB drive? (yeah, I know it's not ideal) |
| 03:21.11 | SerajewelKS | Noldorin: "smartctl /dev/sda -a" says what? |
| 03:21.18 | Noldorin | tomreyn, ah. no "it's okay up to X lines rule?" |
| 03:21.18 | SerajewelKS | hah. probably. |
| 03:21.30 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, among other things... SMART support is: Unavailable - device lacks SMART capability. |
| 03:21.49 | SerajewelKS | yeah, USB flash drives likely won't support it. USB HDDs should though. |
| 03:22.03 | Noldorin | so what now? :) |
| 03:22.12 | tomreyn | Noldorin: i don't know the maximum amount of lines you can post freely here. |
| 03:22.34 | tomreyn | buy actual disks |
| 03:22.41 | tomreyn | then try again |
| 03:22.43 | SerajewelKS | Noldorin: for starters, run the array. mdstat --run /dev/md0 |
| 03:22.55 | SerajewelKS | make sure it's working fine with the one disk |
| 03:23.06 | SerajewelKS | then share /proc/mdstat again |
| 03:23.39 | SerajewelKS | you could also show us "mdadm --detail /dev/md0" |
| 03:23.52 | tomreyn | mirror raid on storage media with unknown and most likely very limited amounts of writes is just a silly plan in the first place. |
| 03:24.38 | tomreyn | hdd's are cheap, ssd's are getting cheaper now. |
| 03:24.57 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, https://hastebin.com/riwahapuku |
| 03:25.18 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, running the array gives now output, exits fine, but it's still 'inactive' |
| 03:25.26 | SerajewelKS | if you're mirroring two USB flash drives, it's not really that unreliable since they'll have similar lifetimes. a bit unnecessary, though. |
| 03:25.42 | SerajewelKS | aha. all drives are gone. |
| 03:25.48 | SerajewelKS | it thinks sdb1 is a spare, not a member |
| 03:25.58 | Noldorin | oh heh |
| 03:26.03 | Noldorin | and I see, regarding USB drives... |
| 03:26.33 | tomreyn | yeah, you got data loss there |
| 03:26.47 | SerajewelKS | sda1 might actually be the "good" copy |
| 03:26.58 | SerajewelKS | despite it being "non-fresh" |
| 03:27.04 | SerajewelKS | sdb1 looks hosed, for some reason |
| 03:27.30 | SerajewelKS | you could try adding sda1, running it read-only, and getting your data off onto something else pronto |
| 03:27.39 | SerajewelKS | mdadm /dev/md0 --add /dev/sda1 |
| 03:28.14 | SerajewelKS | mdadm /dev/md0 -o -R |
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| 03:28.18 | SerajewelKS | then show us the detail output again |
| 03:29.05 | tomreyn | will waste his time on other things, ttyl |
| 03:29.54 | Noldorin | okay, thanks |
| 03:30.24 | Noldorin | $ sudo mdadm /dev/md0 --add /dev/sda1 |
| 03:30.25 | Noldorin | mdadm: cannot load array metadata from /dev/md0 |
| 03:30.28 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, ^ |
| 03:31.43 | SerajewelKS | can you run "mdadm --examine" on both drives? |
| 03:31.48 | SerajewelKS | partitions, i mean |
| 03:33.34 | michael2 | tomreyn: I've rebooted and Im now wanting to test if the disk need to be fsck'ed. but im running full disk encryption via dm-crypt + LVM. do I just run a fsck command against a partion that dm-crypt is exposing? e.g. /dev/mapper/laptop--vg-root ? |
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| 03:34.54 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, https://hastebin.com/coronivixe https://hastebin.com/cocajogabi |
| 03:35.44 | SerajewelKS | michael2: sdb1 definitely looks like it has problems |
| 03:35.54 | SerajewelKS | " Bad Block Log : 512 entries available at offset 72 sectors - bad blocks present." |
| 03:36.03 | SerajewelKS | Noldorin: try "mdadm --assemble --scan" |
| 03:36.25 | Noldorin | yeah hmm |
| 03:36.27 | Noldorin | mdadm: Found some drive for an array that is already active: /dev/md0 |
| 03:36.27 | Noldorin | mdadm: giving up. |
| 03:37.35 | SerajewelKS | try stopping the array: mdadm /dev/md0 -S |
| 03:38.19 | SerajewelKS | after this it should be gone from /proc/mdstat |
| 03:40.30 | SerajewelKS | if that is the case let's try bringing the array back with only sda1: mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 /dev/sda1 |
| 03:41.18 | Noldorin | Sabaku, right |
| 03:41.39 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, mdadm: /dev/md0 assembled from 1 drive - need all 2 to start it (use --run to insist). |
| 03:42.33 | SerajewelKS | cool. --detail again? |
| 03:43.30 | SerajewelKS | this is a 2TB drive? what kind of USB drives are these? magnetic? |
| 03:44.27 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, yeah |
| 03:44.31 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, https://hastebin.com/sapebakawi |
| 03:44.49 | SerajewelKS | okay so running a RAID on them is less crazy |
| 03:44.57 | Noldorin | good. thought so :-) |
| 03:45.01 | Noldorin | won't fail quite so quickly heh |
| 03:45.14 | SerajewelKS | whoa whoa |
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| 03:45.20 | Noldorin | ? |
| 03:45.23 | SerajewelKS | "Raid Level : raid0" |
| 03:45.40 | Noldorin | ha |
| 03:46.26 | SerajewelKS | that.... cannot be right!? |
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| 03:47.09 | SerajewelKS | can you run "mdadm --examine /dev/sda1" again? |
| 03:47.12 | Noldorin | certainly not what I set up |
| 03:47.14 | Noldorin | originally |
| 03:47.14 | Noldorin | okay |
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| 03:47.40 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, https://hastebin.com/axalarixep |
| 03:47.55 | SerajewelKS | yeah says right there raid1 |
| 03:48.17 | SerajewelKS | well, let's start it read-only and see if it changes. maybe it didn't read the superblock? though that seems odd. *shrug* mdadm /dev/md0 -o -R |
| 03:48.21 | SerajewelKS | then --detail again |
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| 03:51.18 | SerajewelKS | if this doesn't work then i'm out of ideas |
| 03:51.56 | SerajewelKS | if it does, then the array will be available in read-only mode and you should copy this data elsewhere ASAP because sdb has bad sectors, and sda is possibly seriously confused |
| 03:52.09 | SerajewelKS | so you should replace sdb, and you should recreate the array from scratch and then copy the data back |
| 03:53.20 | SerajewelKS | i'd also strongly advise getting a UPS, because a power cut can do crap like this |
| 03:54.23 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, https://hastebin.com/agevagiwem |
| 03:54.25 | Noldorin | raid1 :-) |
| 03:54.37 | SerajewelKS | the bad blocks on sdb either were there, the power cut caused them, or the power cut caused corruption in the md superblock that falsely records bad sectors that don't exist |
| 03:54.48 | Noldorin | "were there"? |
| 03:54.54 | SerajewelKS | before the power cut |
| 03:54.57 | Noldorin | ah right |
| 03:55.31 | SerajewelKS | now mount the volume and poke around, see if everything is there |
| 03:55.44 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, it is indeed. very good, thank you. |
| 03:55.53 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, I have to copy elsewhere in order to get this RAID working again, right? |
| 03:56.09 | SerajewelKS | not necessarily, it depends how safe you want to be |
| 03:56.15 | SerajewelKS | is this data critical? do you have backups? |
| 03:56.20 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, yeah I do |
| 03:56.23 | Noldorin | it's synced from elsewhere |
| 03:56.25 | Noldorin | so no big deal |
| 03:56.39 | SerajewelKS | okay. next thing i would do is run a destructive badblocks test against sdb |
| 03:56.44 | SerajewelKS | i am assuming that sdb1 is the only partition? |
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| 04:01.12 | SerajewelKS | if this stuff is synced from elsewhere, why do you need a raid1? :) |
| 04:01.48 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, yeah, just one partition per drive |
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| 04:02.02 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, it wasn't originally synced from elsewhere :-) |
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| 04:02.19 | Noldorin | and this was kind of an exercise in learning about RAID... which I'm clearly deficient in still |
| 04:02.32 | Noldorin | <SerajewelKS>okay. next thing i would do is run a destructive badblocks test against sdb |
| 04:02.35 | Noldorin | so what do we do there? |
| 04:02.45 | SerajewelKS | Noldorin: aha. okay, so what you want to do is run a scan of sdb looking for bad blocks. this will destroy all data, but presumably (1) it's gone and (2) sda1 has the data anyway. |
| 04:03.20 | Noldorin | yeah |
| 04:03.23 | Noldorin | sounds fair |
| 04:03.28 | SerajewelKS | badblocks -w /dev/sdb | tee $HOME/sdb-badblocks |
| 04:03.34 | SerajewelKS | (or some other path to store the blocks) |
| 04:03.43 | SerajewelKS | this will write garbage to the disk and try to read it back |
| 04:03.57 | SerajewelKS | if that process fails for any block it will get logged into that file so you have a record of where the bad blocks are |
| 04:04.36 | SerajewelKS | when it's done, we just have to recreate the partition table and add the disk to the array. it will be added as a "replacement" for the old mirror, and dmraid will resync its contents from sda1. |
| 04:04.51 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, this is just to verify the disk hardware is intact still? |
| 04:04.52 | Noldorin | okay |
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| 04:05.46 | SerajewelKS | right, we're making sure there actually are bad blocks and that the "bad blocks" recorded in the metadata were just corruption in the metadata |
| 04:06.00 | Noldorin | makes sense |
| 04:06.06 | SerajewelKS | which seems reasonable |
| 04:06.11 | SerajewelKS | given that the system thought it was a spare |
| 04:08.26 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, okay, so if badblocks succeeds, what are the next commands? sorry for jumping the gun, I just need to get some sleep now. maybe best to try this tomorrow (though we may not catch each other so...) |
| 04:08.39 | SerajewelKS | yeah i hear you, i need to sleep too |
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| 04:08.48 | SerajewelKS | are the two disks exactly the same capacity down to the block? |
| 04:08.55 | Noldorin | I believe so yes |
| 04:09.04 | Noldorin | same model |
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| 04:09.06 | Noldorin | so I'd hope so |
| 04:09.48 | SerajewelKS | if you have sfdisk, you can duplicate the partition layout from sda: sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk /dev/sdb |
| 04:10.01 | SerajewelKS | once that is done, i *think* you just need to shove sdb1 in the array |
| 04:11.03 | SerajewelKS | mdadm /dev/md0 --add /dev/sdb1 |
| 04:11.09 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, okay, which is `mdadm /dev/md0 --add /dev/sdb1` simply? |
| 04:11.12 | Noldorin | heh |
| 04:11.19 | SerajewelKS | then peek in /proc/mdstat and see if the array is repairing/resyncing |
| 04:12.47 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, okay perfect. I'll give that a go tomorrow. thanks a lot for your help and patience. |
| 04:12.56 | SerajewelKS | np |
| 04:13.02 | SerajewelKS | btw, it won't resync in read-only mode |
| 04:13.17 | Noldorin | yeah, I'll make sure it's running in normal mode |
| 04:13.27 | Noldorin | just `mdadm /dev/md0 -R` will do that I guess |
| 04:13.35 | Noldorin | (maybe force?) |
| 04:13.39 | Noldorin | well, time to collapse unconscious |
| 04:13.41 | SerajewelKS | maybe |
| 04:13.48 | SerajewelKS | you could also redo our steps before |
| 04:13.58 | Noldorin | stop-start you mean? |
| 04:14.10 | SerajewelKS | mdadm /dev/md0 -S ; mdadm /dev/md0 --assemble /dev/sda1 ; mdadm /dev/md0 -R |
| 04:14.13 | SerajewelKS | yeah |
| 04:14.19 | SerajewelKS | then add sdb1 |
| 04:14.32 | SerajewelKS | you may need to fsck the volume in the raid, it probably was not unmounted |
| 04:14.35 | Noldorin | with assemble in between maybe |
| 04:14.42 | Noldorin | okay |
| 04:15.17 | Noldorin | I'll hopefully figure this out |
| 04:15.18 | Noldorin | good night |
| 04:16.03 | SerajewelKS | night |
| 04:16.05 | SerajewelKS | good luck |
| 04:16.11 | Noldorin | ta :-) |
| 04:24.58 | waveforms | Noldorin: She is a lowly Sylvan elf. |
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| 05:36.48 | man_in_s1ack | waves |
| 05:37.03 | man_in_shack | anyone know of a tool to download coverart for an existing music library? |
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| 05:46.42 | rshakin | morning all |
| 05:46.54 | klys | hello. |
| 05:48.01 | rshakin | i know this is going to be a stupid question but how do i close access to dns port from outside ? |
| 05:48.12 | rshakin | with iptables |
| 05:48.35 | rshakin | i know stupid question but it's been a while since i had to do anything with iptables |
| 05:49.27 | klys | iptables -A ... -j DROP or something like that |
| 05:50.10 | rshakin | ok, it's drop hah that was the problem thanks |
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| 06:50.02 | fadavi | please see my question here: https://askubuntu.com/q/1074492/281905 and guide me in askubuntu, if you can. |
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| 06:52.52 | Trieste | man_in_shack, I know Amarok had this feature |
| 06:53.03 | Trieste | though it's a bit of an overkill for just something like that I guess |
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| 07:02.37 | man_in_shack | yah |
| 07:02.44 | man_in_shack | i found glyrc |
| 07:03.32 | man_in_shack | spent literally the whole day rebuilding my music collection from backup flacs |
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| 07:04.02 | man_in_shack | so hopefully this will work for coverart |
| 07:04.36 | man_in_shack | then i gotta get exfalso replaygain plugin to run over the whole collection |
| 07:05.04 | man_in_shack | then see if it'll still all fit on a 32GB microsd (: |
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| 07:54.15 | taylorbyte | i'm trying to switch back to debian, im on debian bustar at the moment and having trouble getting html5 videos to play in firefox is there a missing package or something i need? |
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| 07:59.28 | klys | taylorbyte, do you have non-free sources enabled? flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 08:01.36 | iflema | not as silly as it looks, yet it is... |
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| 08:13.00 | at0m | taylorbyte: debian doesn't support downgrades, but you can get buster support in irc.oftc.net/debian-next |
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| 08:21.13 | taylorbyte | klys: no i didnt have non-free but i think by looking at this https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=flashplugin-nonfree its in contrib, also not available in stable. i might have to use pinning ad get the sid package? |
| 08:22.09 | taylorbyte | i though web pages that use the html5 player are not using flash at all tho |
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| 08:26.05 | at0m | you do not need flash for html5, cos html. |
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| 08:29.47 | taylorbyte | at0m: that what i thought, so how can i get it to work the html5 player says "No video with supported format and MIME type found." |
| 08:31.50 | iflema | find a better video/site? |
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| 08:32.51 | iflema | thats nasty... another |
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| 08:33.58 | dnscat | I can paste my output too if need be |
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| 08:35.50 | dnscat | https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/78xdsp/nouveau_drm_pointer_to_flat_panel_table_invalid/ <-- this is my problem essentially. I don't like the option of just blacklisting the module, I'd rather have it work. If I have to install the nvideo drivers I can look into that too |
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| 08:43.58 | dnscat | I'll just look into find the drivers for that |
| 08:44.03 | dnscat | payce! |
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| 09:06.50 | comphuse | virsh reports: |
| 09:06.52 | comphuse | Just upgraded the kernel to linux-image-4.18.0-1-amd64 on my buster laptop. Now I'm unable to start any virtual machine under libvirt+kvm. |
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| 09:41.39 | yokowka | heavenO everysoul!!!! who know, how to clear this system mesages two lines [ 2.617544] ACPI Error [\ PC10 AE_NOT_FOUND (20160831/P [ 2.617552] ACPI Error Method failed [ 02._BCL] (Mode ffff90881a9 AE_NOT_FOUND ??)))) |
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| 09:44.30 | petn-randall | Hi yokowka!!!!! |
| 09:44.47 | yokowka | heavennO petn-randall !!!! |
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| 09:45.20 | petn-randall | yokowka: Haven't we already talked about this a while ago? You don't have find a problem to every warning on the kernel log. This is likely a minor issue in your BIOS. |
| 09:46.32 | yokowka | yep, can you fix this bad system working?? |
| 09:47.19 | yokowka | i mean biosystem |
| 09:47.20 | petn-randall | yokowka: Maybe. What issue are you having? |
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| 09:48.34 | yokowka | petn-randall, i wrotu direct you, look my message!!!!)) |
| 09:48.48 | yokowka | wrote |
| 09:49.05 | petn-randall | yokowka: That's just a log message. If there is no issue, there is nothing to be done. |
| 09:49.48 | yokowka | petn-randall, let's go to one on one talk?? |
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| 09:55.51 | petn-randall | yokoThere is no need. if you have a support issue, we should solve it in this channel. That way everyone can help, and everyone can profit from the solution. |
| 09:58.47 | yokowka | best, then where to take a support issue, mybe you can look the team wiever?? |
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| 09:59.00 | yokowka | *viewer |
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| 10:03.15 | petn-randall | yokowka: We've already talked about this is in the past. There is no issue. |
| 10:03.50 | yokowka | and no dessigion how to fix?? |
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| 10:04.42 | neglesaks | Q: The "auto remove at ration" option for individual torrents, does that remove the torrent entry in the client or the entry AND the data (ie total removal)? |
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| 10:07.34 | Habbie | neglesaks, hard to say without more context but my experience in general is that it does not remove the data |
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| 10:12.08 | neglesaks | ok. I'm not sure what additional context can be given... it's a fairly plain Deluge setup with two folders, one on the host system and one on an attached HDD. But if the general case if that merely the entry is struck, then that's fine - thank you :) |
| 10:13.14 | Habbie | neglesaks, well, for example, you did not mention Deluge in your question :) |
| 10:13.34 | Habbie | neglesaks, i haven't used Deluge but i have used one or two others and those tend to just stop seeding at the ratio |
| 10:13.47 | TvL2386 | neglesaks: I think that's the seed ratio |
| 10:14.01 | TvL2386 | neglesaks: and it would be weird to automatically destroy everything after meeting that ratio |
| 10:14.19 | TvL2386 | neglesaks: I think it means: remove torrent from client and leaves the downloaded data untouched |
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| 10:19.19 | hexhaxtron | Can someone suggest me a floss alternative to Shoutcast? |
| 10:19.28 | yokowka | petn-randall, you helpful(( |
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| 10:21.32 | neglesaks | Ah. My bad. I assumed torrent client in quest is Deluge per default as per the channel name :9 |
| 10:21.52 | neglesaks | Thank you TvL2386 and Habbie. |
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| 10:22.42 | Habbie | neglesaks, what does the channel name have to do with delug? |
| 10:22.44 | Habbie | +e |
| 10:23.34 | neglesaks | oh dear. I apologize. I've marked the wrong channel. :( But your answer were helpful still. |
| 10:24.55 | alive | nail clipper heh heh heh heh |
| 10:24.55 | Habbie | haha ok |
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| 10:25.27 | petn-randall | yokowka: That error is a purely cosmetical and only relevant for BIOS developers. You can ignore it. |
| 10:27.12 | yokowka | it's not hood, when errors appear, and no matter what kinde of: cosmetical, instrumental, social etc. are them.... |
| 10:30.39 | petn-randall | yokowka: That might be your opinion, but it's not the Linux way. Windows will hide those messages for you, Linux doesn't. |
| 10:31.07 | yokowka | but, linux can or not hide?? |
| 10:31.43 | petn-randall | yokowka: Yes. Don't look at the logs. |
| 10:31.49 | rgr | :) |
| 10:32.25 | rgr | or modify the logging level if the thing in question allows (eg vhost logging). But better to be informed generally... |
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| 11:16.29 | BCMM | sometimes with ACPI it's not so much that Windows hides the errors, but that the firmware only behaves incorrectly with Linux... is this definitely not one of those errors that's fixed by lying to ACPI about what OS you're running? |
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| 11:22.38 | abrotman | sometimes a newer kernel and/or BIOS will help |
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| 11:49.55 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 11:49.55 | dpkg | <enouf> abrotman: you're a turd for insulting retarted people |
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| 12:05.50 | jolt | hahaha |
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| 12:24.18 | abrotman | Ah, he was always good for a laugh .. |
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| 12:26.25 | NetTerminalGene | ,kernels |
| 12:26.26 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.19.0-rc3-686 (4.19~rc3-1~exp1); sid: 4.18.0-1-686-pae (4.18.6-1); buster: 4.18.0-1-686-pae (4.18.6-1); stretch-backports: 4.17.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (4.17.17-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u4); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u4~deb8u1); |
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| 12:35.49 | petn-randall | BCMM: Linux already does that, and behaves bug-compatible to Windows regarding ACPI implementation. For the exact reason that every mainboard manufacturer tests their hardware against Windows, and nothing else. |
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| 12:52.43 | oiaohm | petn-randall: not exactly correct on the ACPI either. bug-compatible to Windows with vendors drivers loaded. Yes board vendors make ACPI that is unstable even under windows until you install their drivers. |
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| 12:56.37 | leonardobbh | Hello for all! I have a question! I bought a Dell Server model T130 and i was installed the last version Debian 9.5 with Xen |
| 12:56.55 | RoyK | do people still use xen? |
| 12:57.48 | ntd | T130? |
| 12:57.54 | ntd | or 310? |
| 12:58.14 | at0m | RoyK: https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=xen |
| 12:58.35 | leonardobbh | the Kernel version 4.9.0-7 installed show a kernel panic when is loading with Xen |
| 12:58.50 | leonardobbh | without Xen load no problem |
| 12:59.06 | RoyK | at0m: I haven't used it for 10 years or so - I prefer kvm |
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| 12:59.37 | leonardobbh | But when i put NOPTI on grub.cfg load Xen with no problem |
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| 12:59.49 | leonardobbh | sorry my English... |
| 12:59.52 | at0m | RoyK: whatever floats your boat. i don't use either. |
| 12:59.59 | leonardobbh | ok ok! |
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| 13:00.58 | leonardobbh | my question is: samebody knows what happen with this kernel? |
| 13:01.16 | RoyK | leonardobbh: do you have an existing xen setup and want to add nother node, or what's the deal? |
| 13:01.19 | leonardobbh | KVM is very good too |
| 13:02.27 | leonardobbh | RoyK - old kernel version work perfect |
| 13:02.36 | RoyK | file a bug |
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| 13:03.27 | leonardobbh | when i run dist-update on Debian... generate this problem |
| 13:03.31 | oiaohm | leonardobbh: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_page-table_isolation NOPTI is turning kpti off. |
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| 13:04.23 | babilen | leonardobbh: You might want to ask in #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net - A bug report would also be appreciated |
| 13:04.36 | leonardobbh | very good |
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| 13:04.48 | leonardobbh | i will search this problem |
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| 13:05.11 | oiaohm | leonardobbh: what version xen? 4.8 or newer I hope. |
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| 13:05.53 | atralheaven | Hi, I can't install debian, after selecting the install option, a black screen appears and then nothing happens. I googled and tried some of the ways that I found, but I had no success |
| 13:06.07 | leonardobbh | yes |
| 13:06.11 | leonardobbh | Xen 4.8 |
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| 13:06.42 | BCMM | petn-randall: sorry, i'd forgotten what the default acpi_osi setting was. should have said that sometimes you need to pretend to have a *specific* version of windows |
| 13:07.03 | BCMM | due to windows implementing _OSI incorrectly |
| 13:07.18 | leonardobbh | Thanks All |
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| 13:08.41 | atralheaven | I know it has something to do with the graphic card (1060) and the recent kernel version (debian 9.5 stable), but I don't know how to solve it |
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| 13:14.12 | babilen | leonardobbh: Please ask in #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) about it as we are quite interested in hearing more about your issue |
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| 13:17.09 | leonardobbh | ok ok |
| 13:17.13 | leonardobbh | babilen: ok |
| 13:17.21 | babilen | tas |
| 13:17.24 | babilen | *thanks |
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| 13:20.06 | atralheaven | any ideas about the black screen problem...? |
| 13:20.35 | babilen | atralheaven: You could try the text installer |
| 13:20.51 | atralheaven | I did, no difference |
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| 13:21.35 | babilen | 1060 sounds like pretty recent hardware? Is that Kaby/Coffee/... lake? |
| 13:23.38 | atralheaven | is there a way to disable nvidia graphic card for installation process? I don't have this option in bios |
| 13:24.00 | ntd | atralheaven, afaik poweredge servers don't provide PCIE aux power |
| 13:24.12 | ntd | can a 1060 be powered by the pcie lane alone? |
| 13:25.01 | atralheaven | I don't know |
| 13:26.03 | ntd | real easy: does the 1060 have power input connectors? |
| 13:26.15 | ntd | are they connected to the psu? |
| 13:26.56 | jelly | dear pulseaudio, why do you keep switching chrome browser processes back to builtin audio instead of usb audio |
| 13:27.37 | atralheaven | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:27.56 | ntd | ah. a "powerdge t130 laptop"? |
| 13:27.57 | ntd | i see |
| 13:28.49 | ntd | maybe the flux capacitor is broken |
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| 13:30.34 | ws2k3 | will openssl go to 1.1.1 on strech? |
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| 13:30.51 | rant | ,v openssl |
| 13:30.52 | judd | Package: openssl on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u20; wheezy-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb7u4; jessie: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u8; jessie-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u8; jessie-backports: 1.0.2l-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.1.0f-3+deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 1.1.0f-3+deb9u2; stretch-security: 1.1.0f-3+deb9u2; buster: 1.1.0h-4; sid: 1.1.1~~pre9-1 |
| 13:31.31 | rant | ws2k3 prob not |
| 13:31.43 | rant | why? |
| 13:31.57 | ws2k3 | rant cause of tls 1.3 |
| 13:32.05 | petn-randall | ws2k3: No, only bugfixes go to stretch, not feature updates. |
| 13:32.44 | rant | ws2k3 you could backport it |
| 13:32.54 | rant | dpkg ssb |
| 13:32.54 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 13:36.21 | themill | that's unlikely to work out, given how borked much openssl stuff is in sid atm |
| 13:38.03 | FinalX | petn-randall: not entirely true, is it? jessie got 1.0.2 in backports, while jessie had 1.0.1; though 1.1.1 is a whole different thing from 1.1.0 as opposed to what 1.0.2 was to 1.0.1 .. |
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| 13:39.50 | rant | finalx jessie didnt get that backports did |
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| 13:40.29 | FinalX | sure, but stretch might still get it in stretch-backports, too |
| 13:40.45 | FinalX | it'd still be stretch, in regular repo or not |
| 13:41.09 | themill | no, it won't be in stretch ever; it's unlikely to land in stretch backports from what we can currently see |
| 13:41.13 | rant | likely if what was said about a new tls spec is true and it effects browsing or such it will prob be officially backported |
| 13:42.12 | jelly | which draft of tls 1.3 do they support anyway |
| 13:42.31 | rant | regardless one can easily backport it themself |
| 13:42.33 | jelly | because last time I looked, TLS 1.3 was not close to finished |
| 13:42.38 | FinalX | themill: I also think that, but then again, in this particular case, there will be a lot of interested (big) parties. |
| 13:42.43 | FinalX | it's not draft. |
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| 13:43.08 | FinalX | it was out of draft for weeks now, and yesterday was the final release of openssl 1.1.1 with the same final version of TLSv1.3 as was in -pre9 |
| 13:43.11 | themill | FinalX: being interested doesn't make it work |
| 13:43.36 | rant | yes well thats what would hold up 1.1.1 is itnot being out of pre release state upstream |
| 13:44.07 | FinalX | how is it not? I just said it was out of pre release state since yesterday. |
| 13:44.32 | rant | its 9am here.. so... |
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| 13:44.42 | abrotman | bed time for you? |
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| 13:44.56 | rant | yesterday isnt 6mo ago is all im sayin |
| 13:45.25 | rant | i just woke up 3hrs ago.. hardly bedtime.. heh |
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| 14:07.09 | majest1c | I tried installing Realtek HD audio drivers from their own homepage. I followed the install instructions but of course, as always I get errors. https://paste.debian.net/1041951/ How to solve this? My audio doesnt work, I have dual boot with windows, I had audio issues in windows as well but solved it by installing realtek hd audio drivers. So I thought it would work in debian 9 Stretch as well. |
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| 14:10.20 | rant | majestic how is audio connected? hdmi? |
| 14:10.58 | rant | realtek snd is pretty wel supported by snd-hda-intel |
| 14:11.45 | rant | it may just be misconfigured or if its super new need a newer kernel |
| 14:11.49 | majest1c | rant: I connect my audio with audio-jack |
| 14:12.45 | rant | are you sure its not working? ie checked its using right output and not muted? |
| 14:13.02 | majest1c | I really dont feel like reinstalling the whole operating system. I want to solve this, how hard can it be. It only says "Dummy output" when I choose audio output. Im sure this realtek will solve things. |
| 14:13.54 | majest1c | rant: I believe the error prohibited the audio driver from installing correctly, so that's why nothing has changed after trying to install the driver. |
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| 14:14.24 | majest1c | So its not muted or anything, when I change sound in GNOME gui it says "Dummy output" and increases/decreases volume. I need to install that audio driver correctly if I'm gonna have audio output |
| 14:15.54 | rant | that driver failed to compile, its prob not needed, and def not supporrted here |
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| 14:16.29 | rant | you should prob be using stock hda intel driver |
| 14:16.53 | rant | show the audio line from output of lspci -nn |
| 14:17.21 | majest1c | rant: https://paste.debian.net/1041952/ |
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| 14:17.49 | rant | im on android and you could paste a single line here |
| 14:17.57 | majest1c | Its several lines |
| 14:18.08 | majest1c | 00:03.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation Broadwell-U Audio Controller [8086:160c] (rev 09) |
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| 14:18.26 | majest1c | 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation Wildcat Point-LP High Definition Audio Controller [8086:9ca0] (rev 03) |
| 14:18.37 | rant | hmm |
| 14:20.13 | rant | im not familiar with this kinda thin usually a second one is a modem audio or somethin but doesnt seem like thats case here |
| 14:20.35 | rant | gimme a sec to check those ids against kernel |
| 14:22.26 | majest1c | rant: Thanks |
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| 14:24.00 | rant | yes well my laptop is nearly dead and fingerprint reader was givin me crap but i got in and both those are aliased under snd-hda-intel |
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| 14:24.21 | rant | however it is possible it requires firmware |
| 14:24.46 | rant | is snd-hda-intel loaded in lsmod? |
| 14:25.04 | rant | any errors in dmesg? |
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| 14:26.32 | majest1c | rant: No its not loaded |
| 14:27.17 | majest1c | rant: The only two red marked things in dmesg are; 2.053750] bluetooth hci0: firmware: failed to load brcm/BCM20702A1-0a5c-216f.hcd (-2) |
| 14:27.24 | majest1c | and; [ 5.291406] psmouse serio1: synaptics: Unable to query device. |
| 14:27.30 | rant | modprobe snd-hda-intel && dmesg |
| 14:28.13 | majest1c | rant: That gives me "No such file or directory" along with other things |
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| 14:28.23 | majest1c | rant: modprobe: ERROR: ../libkmod/libkmod-module.c:192 kmod_module_parse_depline() ctx=0x556aa907c010 path=/lib/modules/4.9.0-8-amd64/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-codec.ko error=No such file or directory |
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| 14:28.35 | majest1c | rant: modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'snd_hda_intel': Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 14:29.11 | rant | you prob broke something with that 3rd party crap.. reinstall your kernel |
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| 14:29.48 | majest1c | rant: So reinstall the whole operating system? |
| 14:30.08 | rant | no id try just the kernel for now :p |
| 14:30.59 | rant | though there is no tellng what else you may have broken trying to hack in a 3rd party audio driver |
| 14:31.09 | majest1c | rant: Sorry I dont knwo how to reinstall the kernel though, |
| 14:31.43 | rant | but looks to me like you never got past compiling it so unless you did other steps i doubt you did too much damage |
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| 14:32.12 | rant | with a package manager like synaptic or apt |
| 14:32.25 | majest1c | I'll reinstall the kernel, and reinstall the OS, I need to have audio in 30 minutes. What command should I run to reinstall the kernel |
| 14:33.00 | rant | apt update |
| 14:33.00 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, update is http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/07/11/nokia-n9-software-update-pr1-3/ |
| 14:33.14 | greycat | majest1c: apt-get --reinstall install pkg1 pkg2 ... |
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| 14:33.17 | rant | be sure youre cache is up to date then |
| 14:33.29 | rant | what greycat said |
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| 14:34.33 | majest1c | Whats pkg1 pg2 ... ? Should I replace them with all the packages? |
| 14:34.45 | greycat | whatever is the name of the package you are attempting to reinstall |
| 14:34.55 | rant | greycat to bring you up to speed this user had downloaded drivers from realtek but ive confirmed their vend prod codes in modinfo for snd-hda-intel |
| 14:35.04 | rgr | they are examples and not at all helpful. Are you online with that broken kernel? |
| 14:36.09 | rgr | reinstalling the kernel wont alter the stuff hes modprobing will it? |
| 14:36.09 | rant | kernel is linux-image-4.9.0-8-amd64 |
| 14:36.41 | rant | it should fix anything the 3rd party crap may have corrupted |
| 14:37.12 | rant | he shouldnt be getting file not found modprobing snd-hda-intel |
| 14:37.36 | greycat | it's snd_hda_intel not snd-hda-intel |
| 14:37.41 | majest1c | I just ran "apt-get --reinstall install linux-image-4.9.0-8-amd64" |
| 14:37.44 | majest1c | did i fuq up? |
| 14:38.13 | rant | did it reinstall? |
| 14:38.21 | majest1c | anyways Im determined to reinstall the OS anyways, I need the audio to work. Its reinstalling now |
| 14:38.29 | rant | heh |
| 14:38.36 | jelly | greycat: you can actually modprobe or modinfo either with _ or with - |
| 14:38.57 | rant | yes well offhand i see no reason sound would work on stock kernel |
| 14:39.25 | rant | you just prob had it misconfigured |
| 14:39.53 | rant | or missing firmware |
| 14:39.55 | jelly | apt: forget update |
| 14:39.55 | apt | jelly: i forgot update |
| 14:40.10 | jelly | apt: stretch |
| 14:40.19 | jelly | apt: wheezy |
| 14:40.19 | apt | [wheezy] what fire_hawk thinks Debian 3.0 should be dubbed; Wheezy is the toy penguin from Toy Story 2. |
| 14:40.34 | rant | but cant tell if you got your system fubar with 3rd party crap we cant suport |
| 14:40.35 | jelly | apt: you're SO old and going back to being muted |
| 14:40.55 | rant | heh |
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| 14:41.10 | majest1c | It ended with "Setting up linux-image-4.9.0-8-amd64-dbg (4.9.110-3+deb9u4) ..." now Im back in the terminal |
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| 14:41.48 | rant | tim doesnt come on anymore but hes still reachable by email i talked to him recently |
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| 14:41.55 | majest1c | What should I do though, reboot? Should the audio work now or what? Because when I choose audio output now it still says "Dummy output" |
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| 14:42.38 | rant | you should try again to modprobe snd-hda-intel |
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| 14:43.03 | majest1c | rant: Now it outputs nothing, I just ran the command |
| 14:43.11 | acovrig | what group(s) does a user have to be in to be able to ping (otherwise they get âping: socket: Operation not permittedâ) |
| 14:43.28 | rant | now check dmesg to see if anything new is at the bottom |
| 14:43.31 | greycat | You need to put the setuid bit BACK ON THE PROGRAM that you removed it from. |
| 14:43.55 | rant | if not then you can now do basic alsa troubleshooting |
| 14:44.00 | greycat | Oh, huh, Debian's ping isn't setuid any more...? How did they do that. |
| 14:44.15 | rant | heh |
| 14:44.25 | bites | my ping still is. |
| 14:44.26 | rant | i wondered that myself |
| 14:44.30 | greycat | acovrig: there is not supposed to be any special group membership required to run ping. |
| 14:45.07 | greycat | OK, checking a few systems, /bin/ping is setuid in wheezy, but not in jessie or stretch. |
| 14:45.17 | greycat | acovrig: if you are on wheezy or older, and if you removed the setuid bit on /bin/ping, put it back. |
| 14:45.22 | rant | i had that issue not long ago unable to ping as user wnd thought wtf? |
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| 14:46.03 | bites | it can be either setuid or capabilities on debian, i think. |
| 14:47.24 | majest1c | rant: I'll reboot the laptop |
| 14:47.25 | acovrig | greycat: Iâm on stretch 9.4 with ping utility, iputils-s20161105 with /bin/ping having these perms: -rwxr-xr-x owned by root:root |
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| 14:47.42 | acovrig | Iâm guessing if it was SUID, Iâd have an âsâ after the last x on ther permissions? |
| 14:48.21 | jelly | acovrig: no, the first x wouldn't be x but s |
| 14:48.30 | rant | why the heck would you reboot? heh |
| 14:48.45 | rant | that dont help troubleshoot.. |
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| 14:49.22 | greycat | the changelog mentions "Remove setuid bits on binaries if setcap succeeds during reconfigure", whatever the hell THAT means... bug #778500 isn't much more clear to me |
| 14:49.24 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/778500 in iputils-ping (closed, patch): «iputils-ping: reconfiguring with setcap leaves the binary suid»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-02-15; last modified: 2016-03-26. |
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| 14:49.41 | ksk | mhhm, Im on 9.5 and /bin/ping is setuid. |
| 14:49.42 | bites | check with getcap /bin/ping it has to be either cap_net_raw+ep or setuid. |
| 14:49.43 | rant | now theyre gonnq have a way harder time seein output of driver in dmesg |
| 14:49.49 | jelly | acovrig: that is, -rwsr-xr-x. If it had the setuid bit set but not user-executable bit, the s would be uppercased, eg. -rwSr-xr-x |
| 14:50.30 | jelly | bites: it may also be none of those, but then ping won't work for normal users |
| 14:50.38 | rant | majest1c i told you to check dmesg not reboot |
| 14:51.00 | greycat | wooledg:~$ /sbin/getcap /bin/ping |
| 14:51.00 | greycat | /bin/ping = cap_net_raw+ep |
| 14:51.04 | bites | jelly: yes, that seems to be the problem. that's why i asked them to check. |
| 14:51.22 | rant | point was to load correct driver and see if it output anything in kernel buffer indicating an issue |
| 14:51.29 | jelly | greycat: yay, 21st century linux features |
| 14:51.31 | majest1c | rant: [ 2.041855] snd_hda_intel 0000:00:1b.0: no codecs found! |
| 14:51.35 | majest1c | That's the error |
| 14:51.47 | jelly | majest1c: try a newer kernel. |
| 14:52.00 | rant | bo wait no |
| 14:52.09 | acovrig | isnât getcap a SELinux thing? |
| 14:52.13 | rant | thete are two cards remember |
| 14:52.14 | acovrig | or Apparmor? |
| 14:52.23 | greycat | Trying the backport kernel would be a lot less dangerous than trying to build some 3rd party drivers. |
| 14:52.31 | rant | thats only one of them.. the 1b one |
| 14:52.54 | ksk | acovrig: capabilities are a thing in linux to allow certain users certain things that would otherwise need root |
| 14:53.00 | majest1c | rant: [ 2.036227] snd_hda_intel 0000:00:1b.0: enabling device (0000 -> 0002) |
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| 14:53.08 | majest1c | rant: [ 2.036144] snd_hda_intel 0000:00:03.0: bound 0000:00:02.0 (ops i915_audio_component_bind_ops [i915]) |
| 14:53.12 | majest1c | Those two are yellow marked |
| 14:53.30 | ksk | "man capabilities" |
| 14:53.32 | rant | show them your lspci -nn again in pastebin before flowing any advice |
| 14:53.35 | acovrig | ksk: interesting, thatâs handy; also interesting, getcap /bin/ping returns nothing on my system (proxmox) |
| 14:53.48 | rant | look at the bus addtesses on those messages |
| 14:53.55 | greycat | !proxmox |
| 14:53.55 | ksk | !tell acovrig about proxmox |
| 14:53.55 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial ##proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
| 14:54.01 | greycat | PROBLEM FOUND! |
| 14:54.14 | rant | one is 03 the othet is 1b |
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| 14:54.39 | rant | only one of those is your actual card youre concerned about |
| 14:54.55 | majest1c | rant: https://paste.debian.net/1041960/ |
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| 14:55.05 | majest1c | Thats my lspci -nn output now after reinstalling kernel |
| 14:56.35 | rant | anyone know what that brodwell vs wildvat crap id? |
| 14:56.40 | rant | is* |
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| 14:58.01 | rant | id think the 03 broadwell one is the actual sound card |
| 14:58.21 | jelly | acovrig: is your system a debian container inside a proxmox host, or _the_ proxmox host? |
| 14:58.32 | SerajewelKS | Noldorin: how is the raid reassembly going? |
| 14:58.37 | rant | either way run alsamixer and or aplay -l and paste that |
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| 14:59.03 | rant | majest1c pastebin aplay -l |
| 14:59.09 | majest1c | rant: https://paste.debian.net/1041963/ |
| 15:00.23 | rant | and you dont have hdmi audio like through a tv? |
| 15:00.38 | rant | cause its not showin the analog |
| 15:00.51 | rant | just the digital |
| 15:00.55 | majest1c | rant: No hdmi, its only analog, its a laptop, Dell XPS 13 (9343) |
| 15:01.19 | rant | hmm.. |
| 15:01.25 | majest1c | You see the audio jack there; https://dustinweb.azureedge.net/image/148013/960/720/dell-xps-13-infinity-9343-touch.png |
| 15:01.43 | rant | im in woods on tiny crappy cell phone |
| 15:01.50 | majest1c | Ah that sucks =/ |
| 15:01.53 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/Dell%20XPS%2013%209343 says "Debian 8 ships with kernel 3.16. Audio will work fine, but mic won't." |
| 15:02.27 | greycat | It also says "Before installing Debian, update the BIOS to version A02 or later. That fixes some major bugs with trackpad and audio." |
| 15:02.58 | rant | ah |
| 15:03.37 | rant | bios bugs.. that does happen </ford prefect> |
| 15:03.53 | majest1c | I have the latest bios update. This one did not come with Debian preinstalled. It came with only windows. Then I installed debian 9, the audio worked great. Then I installed windows and debian 9 stretch along. So now I have dual boot and here I am with audio issues. My sound didnt work in windows but I installed that Realtek HD Audio driver and it started working. Then I figured I'll try the same in debian |
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| 15:05.23 | rant | sounds odd.. im still not clear on the two audio devices its the wildcat one havin issues |
| 15:05.38 | rant | thats the one that said no codecs found |
| 15:06.00 | rant | both are aliased by snd-hda-intel |
| 15:06.13 | majest1c | rant: I need to switch from hdmi to analog somehow |
| 15:06.46 | rant | yeah well thatd ne easy if there was analog |
| 15:06.50 | majest1c | playback devices says only hdmi, that's weird since I only have analog output |
| 15:06.57 | rant | its not showin it |
| 15:07.18 | rant | you dont have an hdmi por didplayport? |
| 15:07.39 | rant | bah. hdmi or displayport? |
| 15:07.46 | majest1c | I have a minidisplayport |
| 15:08.06 | rant | well thats what it sees as hdmi |
| 15:08.13 | majest1c | Damn |
| 15:08.47 | majest1c | So can't I install a new kernel or something |
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| 15:09.01 | majest1c | that maybe can recognize my analog output when installing? |
| 15:09.12 | rant | sure you could try that but i am not sure thats the issue |
| 15:09.23 | majest1c | rant: Where do I find the name of the newest kernel? |
| 15:09.35 | greycat | you *have* the current stable kernel. |
| 15:09.49 | greycat | if you wanted to try a stretch-backports kernel, that's a whole different repository |
| 15:10.05 | rant | nobody figured out what that other device is? |
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| 15:11.52 | rant | the 1b bus address one |
| 15:12.44 | rant | im on an ancient chinese phone on kitkat kinda hard for me to mulitask right now to look into that :p |
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| 15:13.18 | greycat | He said he had it working out of the box with stretch, but then he reinstalled or something. So it ought to work with the standard stretch kernel *now*. |
| 15:13.18 | majest1c | 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation Wildcat Point-LP High Definition Audio Controller [8086:9ca0] (rev 03) |
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| 15:13.24 | rant | idk if thats the anakig sound or just a modem |
| 15:13.39 | rant | yes wtf is that |
| 15:13.54 | rant | cause its the other one thats working |
| 15:15.04 | majest1c | If I want to reinstall my OS, can someone give me a link to a correct iso file of the latest Debian 9 Stretch stable which will install everything I need |
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| 15:15.27 | majest1c | I will just do it the hard way, it takes less time |
| 15:15.32 | rant | thats the only device showin errors and may be whete the problem lies |
| 15:16.09 | rant | when you answer what that is youll know if you need something else or not |
| 15:16.17 | greycat | rant: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/Dell%20XPS%2013%209343 shows the same devices on whoever's jessie install that wiki page was written from |
| 15:16.54 | rant | yeqh but is it saying no codecs found the reason his sound dont work |
| 15:17.08 | rant | or is it irrelevant to the issue |
| 15:18.00 | majest1c | Do you guys see any solution to this or should I proceed to reinstall? |
| 15:18.00 | rant | cause if THAT is his analog sound controller he needs additional software in form of firmware codec or newet kernel |
| 15:18.16 | greycat | installing firmware certainly wouldn't hurt |
| 15:18.37 | greycat | but I think your obsession with this particular device is just a red herring |
| 15:18.42 | rant | if not then its prob just some bios option overriding the analog |
| 15:18.50 | majest1c | I can check bios |
| 15:18.52 | jelly | also, alsa sometimes gets regoressions. what worked on 3.16 jessie kernel might be slightly broken on a 4.9 stretch kernel |
| 15:18.58 | rant | its the only thing comlaining |
| 15:19.24 | rant | so it seems to be the thing to focus on |
| 15:19.39 | rant | as its generating the driver message |
| 15:20.33 | rant | i dont have enough scrollback but he pasted that 1b wildcat thing sayin no codecs from dmesg |
| 15:21.05 | rant | yet the 03 broadwell u thing is working |
| 15:21.11 | majest1c | [ 2.041855] snd_hda_intel 0000:00:1b.0: no codecs found! |
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| 15:21.53 | rant | if thats just a modem or somethin its irrelevant |
| 15:22.35 | rant | but if its the problem then we know which device to focus on to check alsa compat issues |
| 15:23.32 | majest1c | rant: I think I will reinstall, don't you think? |
| 15:23.42 | rant | id check bios though for sure cause you said it had worked once before and in my lappy i can disable all kinds of cram even my camera |
| 15:23.55 | majest1c | What in bios should I look for though? |
| 15:24.00 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, hey. just getting time for it now actually |
| 15:24.00 | rant | id try newer kernel befote a reinstall |
| 15:24.07 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, need to go back and look at my logs. :) |
| 15:24.14 | majest1c | rant: greycat says I have the newest one |
| 15:24.16 | SerajewelKS | Noldorin: hah. ping me if you need help. |
| 15:24.19 | rant | any audii settings that may be in there |
| 15:24.21 | Noldorin | thanks |
| 15:24.54 | majest1c | rant: uname -r gives output; 4.9.0-8-amd64 |
| 15:25.00 | rant | yes newest stable but you could try the 4.17 or w/e from bavkports |
| 15:25.19 | greycat | https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2382582 says they fixed an issue with similar symptoms by updating the BIOS |
| 15:25.28 | rant | i realky wouldnt guess at any solution till you know whats what |
| 15:25.32 | majest1c | rant: I will try with this; linux-image-4.17.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 |
| 15:25.55 | majest1c | apt-get --reinstall install linux-image-4.17.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 |
| 15:25.59 | rant | google those two devices and try figure out which one is even really the damn sound card |
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| 15:26.04 | greycat | majest1c: I said you have the current stable kernel, and that the stretch-backports kernel is in a different repository |
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| 15:26.47 | majest1c | Ill go into bios and see if there is some audio thing disabled |
| 15:26.50 | majest1c | brb |
| 15:26.59 | rant | cause there is no way to know which errors matter if we dont know which is the card |
| 15:27.19 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, err, I left badblocks running overnight, and it still hasn't finished haha |
| 15:27.40 | Noldorin | nothing found so far though :-P |
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| 15:27.56 | Noldorin | did about 1TB (half) |
| 15:28.18 | rant | im gonna have to reboot soon toi heh cause my batt is almost dead gotta swap batteries |
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| 15:31.35 | jpablo | Hi there, I was trying of install debian, but cant understand why only show options of install from CD |
| 15:32.11 | jpablo | I'm installing using USB, but in the list of installation dont appear select a network for end the process |
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| 15:34.03 | SerajewelKS | Noldorin: hah. well, writes take time, plus the verification, and it's over USB. |
| 15:34.08 | Noldorin | yeah |
| 15:34.13 | Noldorin | half is good enough |
| 15:34.16 | Noldorin | I'm going to assume it's okay |
| 15:34.20 | SerajewelKS | k |
| 15:34.32 | SerajewelKS | if there are bad blocks, the resync will probably catch them |
| 15:34.44 | SerajewelKS | and fail the drive out |
| 15:34.52 | Noldorin | true |
| 15:34.59 | SerajewelKS | i don't know if resyncing does read verification though |
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| 15:36.52 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, I think my IRC log file got corrupted, rubbish. stupid Textual. |
| 15:37.01 | rant | jpablo it considers the usb to be a cd |
| 15:37.13 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, do you have a copy? |
| 15:37.23 | Noldorin | or could just repaste the commands I need to run now |
| 15:37.42 | rant | the installer was designed to run on cd and doesnt know the diff |
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| 15:43.33 | jpablo | rant The machine does not have a USB drive |
| 15:44.13 | jpablo | and I always install Debian with the netinst and end the process selecting a server |
| 15:45.49 | rant | it doesnt matter if you install from a ham n chees sandwich the installer calls it a cd |
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| 15:47.03 | rant | and yes usually selectin a mirror is part of the procedd |
| 15:48.06 | rant | just installed a ham n cheese in his mouth .. |
| 15:50.23 | rant | if i were to guess you got a message saying something to the effect it couldmt load components from the cd |
| 15:50.54 | rant | which prob means your install media is corrupt |
| 15:51.08 | rant | and is why youre missing steps |
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| 15:51.53 | rant | rewrite and verify your install media |
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| 15:52.53 | rant | there will always be a 'cd' from which other installer components are loaded |
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| 15:53.55 | rant | fyi to anyone im talkin to my batt is at 4% and will die shortly :p. pretty sure i got another charged battery though |
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| 16:11.18 | HardlyHardware | Incoming stupid question...... Why did you choose Debian? What are the main advantages to you? |
| 16:11.35 | kirk781 | HardlyHardware, rock stable. |
| 16:11.57 | kirk781 | Also, acts as upstream for stuff like Ubuntu, Mint[?], Elementary OS. |
| 16:12.21 | kirk781 | One can switch to Debian Testing[I've] if newer packages are wanted[and it's quite stable either]. |
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| 16:12.37 | RoyK | HardlyHardware: upside: stability, downside: packages not really updated that frequently |
| 16:12.44 | RoyK | nd don't use testing |
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| 16:13.19 | RoyK | s/nd/and/ |
| 16:13.21 | HardlyHardware | Debian Sid is too dodgy? |
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| 16:13.41 | greycat | sid is unstable, not testing |
| 16:13.43 | RoyK | HardlyHardware: Sid is the kid that breaks toys |
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| 16:14.19 | teclo- | some people complain that "Debian [stable] has old versions of everything" |
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| 16:14.32 | teclo- | well then use Debian testing ;) |
| 16:14.44 | RoyK | !testing |
| 16:14.44 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <buster>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
| 16:15.21 | kirk781 | Is there any distro that updates things slower than Debian[Cent OS perhaps?] ? |
| 16:15.28 | greycat | CentOS for sure |
| 16:15.37 | HardlyHardware | moving target security.... ah that sounds like a decent reason not to use it |
| 16:15.49 | RoyK | centos/rhel are incredible conservative |
| 16:16.14 | kirk781 | Cent OS is quite lacking on packages too. |
| 16:16.21 | RoyK | ubuntu is like debian being a 14-years-old and wanting to try out things earlier |
| 16:16.26 | kirk781 | Fedora is bleeding edge |
| 16:16.34 | HardlyHardware | Tried fedora |
| 16:16.36 | HardlyHardware | It broke |
| 16:16.47 | RoyK | for server: debian |
| 16:16.47 | kirk781 | Ubuntu certainly is the most popular Debian-derived distro. |
| 16:16.52 | RoyK | for desktop: usually ubuntu |
| 16:16.55 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, well, poke me when you're back :-) |
| 16:17.03 | teclo- | yeah CentOS is "slower than Debian GNU/Linux" |
| 16:17.18 | RoyK | for server things needing newer things than debian stable: a VM with some fancy software |
| 16:17.20 | HardlyHardware | So your not using Debian as a Desktop? |
| 16:17.21 | kirk781 | Reminds me; does anyone use GNU/Hurd ? |
| 16:17.23 | teclo- | but well, CentOS is basically "The same as RHEL except we don't have to pay for it" |
| 16:17.46 | RoyK | kirk781: https://xkcd.com/1508/ |
| 16:18.03 | HardlyHardware | GNU/Turd? |
| 16:18.04 | teclo- | so I'd say you should use CentOS only if you must (or want to) have a machine which is "exactly like RHEL" |
| 16:18.17 | HardlyHardware | Does GNU/Hurd even work? |
| 16:18.25 | teclo- | or CentOS is useful if you wanna do the RHCE certification :P |
| 16:18.30 | RoyK | HardlyHardware: see that xkcd ;) |
| 16:19.00 | teclo- | heh |
| 16:19.12 | kirk781 | RoyK, lol |
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| 16:19.26 | teclo- | well GNU/Hurd boots, can be installed on a machine |
| 16:19.47 | teclo- | but there's not much else in GNU/Hurd, almost no drivers except for NICs |
| 16:20.12 | RoyK | kirk781: note the mouseover ;) |
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| 16:20.25 | kirk781 | RoyK, I saw it. "There's a man who believed it" |
| 16:20.27 | teclo- | actually I'm not sure there's still someone "busy with it" |
| 16:21.02 | teclo- | there was that Thomas Bushnell fellow |
| 16:21.08 | kirk781 | It's been quite some time since I distro-hopped. |
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| 16:30.08 | HardlyHardware | kirk781 Some one mentioned Debian is Ubuntu without the training wheels. Would that be accurate? |
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| 16:31.15 | greycat | Distro comparisons should be done in a neutral channel like ##linux. You're going to get biased answers here. |
| 16:31.22 | kirk781 | HardlyHardware, lol yes. Ubuntu is one of the most user friendly distros[along with Mint]. A lot of people around me use Linux and nearly all of it is Ubuntu. |
| 16:31.36 | kirk781 | Ubuntu, atleast here, has become synonymous with Linux[ and coding] |
| 16:31.52 | greycat | you misspelled coddling ;-) |
| 16:32.35 | kirk781 | I hate Ubuntu because everything just works there. There's no fiddling about or things breaking down |
| 16:32.40 | petn-randall | *culling |
| 16:33.05 | HardlyHardware | greycat well I was thinking of trying Arch then I thought maybe I should just go for Debian since its the upstream of alot of distros |
| 16:33.35 | greycat | If you've got enough time to kill, go ahead and try them both (all) and pick whichever you like most. |
| 16:33.39 | kirk781 | HardlyHardware, Arch is a rolling release distro and will require quite a lot of time to configure |
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| 16:33.59 | kirk781 | Though installing Arch leads to a lot of frustration, it teaches a lot as well |
| 16:34.00 | petn-randall | HardlyHardware: I'd say it's a lot more stable than Ubuntu, but it also has a different development process than makes most software older on the release day. |
| 16:34.03 | HardlyHardware | kirk781: I have some time but not unlimited. |
| 16:34.10 | kirk781 | Also, you can then say "BTW, I use Arch" |
| 16:34.27 | damarusama | I can systemd start (process) but when I systemd enable (process) I get Failed to execute operation: No such file or directory |
| 16:34.40 | kirk781 | For people with unlimited time, Gentoo is good. It makes people lose their will to live. |
| 16:34.42 | greycat | damarusama: what is the actual name of the service you are attempting to enable? |
| 16:34.56 | damarusama | ghost_blog-gnt-design.service |
| 16:35.06 | HardlyHardware | Definitely don't have unlimited time |
| 16:35.09 | damarusama | it's a process that was created for a ghost blog |
| 16:35.23 | damarusama | the file is there - not sure how enable is different than start |
| 16:35.28 | HardlyHardware | Gentoo seems like mission impossible |
| 16:35.42 | HardlyHardware | Compile every thing from source. Like BSD but not as straight forward |
| 16:35.51 | greycat | damarusama: what does "systemctl status ghost_blog-gnt-design.service" say? Read EVERY single thing. Pastebin it if you can. |
| 16:36.26 | HardlyHardware | Using Gentoo may remove some years from my life. |
| 16:37.04 | damarusama | https://pastebin.com/yzFqwr1B |
| 16:37.24 | damarusama | it says loaded but disabled? |
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| 16:38.07 | greycat | it also says your service file is in /var/www/ which is *weird* |
| 16:38.47 | HardlyHardware | So Debian is Stable. Has problems some times. Needs more knowledge to fix issues. But not the same degree of time as Arch or Gentii |
| 16:38.57 | HardlyHardware | So its more usable? |
| 16:39.02 | greycat | are you sure you typed the "systemctl enable" command correctly? the combination of _ and - in the filename would drive me batty. |
| 16:39.29 | HardlyHardware | Plus has the advantage of being upstream to popular distros so helps with knowledge of how those distros work under the hood as well? |
| 16:39.38 | damarusama | there is a a ln in my /var/systemd/system/ should I just have the file there? |
| 16:39.42 | damarusama | let me try it again |
| 16:40.19 | atralheaven | Hi, I wanted to install debian on my machine but after selecting install from the menu, a black screen appears and nothing happens. I googled and tried some of the ways I found, but I had no success. the graphic card is nvidia 1060 and I can't set my laptop to use only intel graphic card. |
| 16:40.21 | greycat | ls: cannot access '/var/systemd': No such file or directory |
| 16:40.32 | greycat | You are not using Debian. Find out where you should be. |
| 16:41.03 | damarusama | greycat: sorry /lib/systemd/system |
| 16:41.27 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 16:41.57 | queip | atralheaven: try vga=... options to grub |
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| 16:42.53 | damarusama | greycat: so I copied the file instead of having a link and that did the trick, enable works now |
| 16:43.00 | damarusama | thanks for the suppor |
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| 16:43.16 | queip | damarusama: he polnked you |
| 16:43.24 | queip | plonked |
| 16:43.43 | atralheaven | may you tell me how? is it in a file or just "e" on grub list? |
| 16:43.57 | atralheaven | and what should I set it to? |
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| 16:44.11 | queip | atralheaven: just "e". google examples of using vga option in grub |
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| 16:44.26 | damarusama | yeah I know how debian are so nazy about not helping other distro |
| 16:44.37 | queip | if you suspect this is graphical card related problem |
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| 16:46.37 | queip | atralheaven: eg https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/svga.txt |
| 16:47.17 | atralheaven | damarusama: it's not just about debian channel, you should just ask in the right place, if your question is not related to debian. |
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| 16:47.45 | rant | that user has left the building |
| 16:48.17 | atralheaven | queip: yes I suspect the graphic card, I will try that, thank you :) |
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| 16:49.01 | queip | atralheaven: there exist other special grub/kernel flags to help, also doesn't debian installer have a key for safe mode? but if it fails before saying een that try grub things |
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| 16:54.30 | sebboh | What thing is responsible for creating /dev/cpu/? |
| 16:54.51 | sebboh | in buster/sid, that is. |
| 16:55.18 | petn-randall | sebboh: It's mounted/populated by udev. |
| 16:55.26 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
| 16:55.26 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 16:55.39 | petn-randall | sebboh: This might be relevant if you have follow-up questions. ^^^ |
| 16:56.05 | sebboh | thanks |
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| 17:05.08 | HardlyHardware | So you use Debian as your Desktops? |
| 17:05.15 | HardlyHardware | Or just servers as you were saying |
| 17:05.43 | HardlyHardware | It sounds like it will be a distro closer to the metal so to speak than the buntus |
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| 17:06.26 | majest1c | greycat: I reinstalled debian, but now its the same again. No audio... |
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| 17:06.39 | ntd | well, if debian could only get their grub signed for secure boot *or* sign it and publish the setup key |
| 17:07.28 | majest1c | https://paste.debian.net/1041978/ |
| 17:07.36 | SopaXorzTaker | ntd, secure boot is an evil invention of Microsoft used to monopolize the market |
| 17:07.50 | SopaXorzTaker | It's "secure" as in "securing the market share of crappy OSes" |
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| 17:08.02 | HardlyHardware | yeah |
| 17:08.07 | HardlyHardware | Glad Debian doesn't do that |
| 17:08.27 | ntd | what? |
| 17:08.31 | HardlyHardware | That requires putting Microsoft code into the Kernal to let it boot |
| 17:08.33 | HardlyHardware | No thanks |
| 17:08.41 | HardlyHardware | Rather just choose different hardware |
| 17:08.47 | HardlyHardware | Or Coreboot or some thing |
| 17:08.47 | ntd | publishing a signed grub or getting their grub signed would not be to debs detriment |
| 17:09.27 | sebboh | HardlyHardware: I don't think it requires microsoft code. It just requires the bootloader to be signed and for that signature to be accepted by the secure boot code on the hardware. |
| 17:10.20 | HardlyHardware | sebboh: From what i'd read about it. Microsoft was requiring a binary blob be placed into the kernel just to allow it to be signed |
| 17:10.23 | sebboh | HardlyHardware: there are good reasons to give money to good hardware vendors and don't give it to bad hardware vendors, but "microsoft code in the kernel" isn't a thing related to secure boot. |
| 17:11.18 | sebboh | HardlyHardware: Oh! That is information I didn't have. Thanks. Could be. But who cares? I don't want M$ signing my stuff. :) I need a secure boot that will let me provide my own CA. |
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| 17:11.43 | sebboh | (I don't know if anything like that exists, I just learned something about secure boot yesterday.) |
| 17:12.00 | sebboh | cya |
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| 17:17.56 | SopaXorzTaker | HardlyHardware, M$ wants their own binary blobs in the kernel? |
| 17:18.06 | SopaXorzTaker | Could you refer me to a relevant article, that's really interesting |
| 17:21.18 | HardlyHardware | SopaXorzTaker: Read about it a long time ago. I think Redhat went along with it and patched their own kernal but it didn't make it into the upstream since Linus Tovards didn't particularly want MS code in the main kernal |
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| 17:21.41 | HardlyHardware | Do a search about it |
| 17:21.46 | oiaohm | HardlyHardware: I think you miss read. |
| 17:22.27 | oiaohm | HardlyHardware: Microsoft was mandating that all drivers be signed by a CA that would be placed in the signed kernels. Ie distributions own CA. Of course this purely nukes Nvidia driver install. |
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| 17:23.16 | SopaXorzTaker | oiaohm, but they agreed to sign RH's bootloader in the end |
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| 17:23.28 | SopaXorzTaker | what was the condition, I wonder |
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| 17:24.48 | oiaohm | SopaXorzTaker: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.17/admin-guide/module-signing.html This stuff was the condition. |
| 17:25.33 | oiaohm | SopaXorzTaker: the bootloader is signed and the Linux kernels it agreed to load in secureboot mode had to have module signing inside. |
| 17:25.43 | SopaXorzTaker | oiaohm, but why? |
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| 17:25.57 | oiaohm | It was the rules Microsoft had come up with. |
| 17:26.05 | SopaXorzTaker | Why does M$ worry so much about the code running on "its" hardware |
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| 17:26.36 | SopaXorzTaker | The more I research Secure Boot and such, the more I feel like I don't own my PC but am leasing it from someone |
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| 17:26.58 | SopaXorzTaker | Also, Intel ME too |
| 17:27.24 | HardlyHardware | SopaXorzTaker: and Intel ME at your core |
| 17:27.25 | oiaohm | Now if you replace the platform key and put in your own KEKs you would not have to have Microsoft setting rules. |
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| 17:27.46 | oiaohm | But no bios makes the process of replacing platform key and KEK painless process. |
| 17:28.24 | SopaXorzTaker | oiaohm, the "KEK" abbreviation sounds like a stupid fascist meme. Does it actually stand for "Kernel Encryption Key" or something like that? |
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| 17:29.11 | HardlyHardware | also sounds like another form for laugh. kek kek kek |
| 17:29.19 | HardlyHardware | Maybe Microsoft laughs if it works |
| 17:29.45 | oiaohm | SopaXorzTaker: KEK is UEFI "Key Exchange Key" Its the key that EFI itself uses to decide if your bootloader is acceptable or not. |
| 17:30.15 | oiaohm | PK/Platform key is used to sign all the KEK that the system will accept. |
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| 17:31.20 | SopaXorzTaker | oiaohm, that sounds like PKI |
| 17:31.26 | oiaohm | Of course Microsoft KEKs(yes Microsoft has more than 1) is being put in most UEFI installs by default and this is why distributions had to go hat in hand to microsoft and say please sign out bootloader. |
| 17:31.56 | oiaohm | SopaXorzTaker: yep it a stack of PKI |
| 17:32.11 | SopaXorzTaker | oiaohm, isn't the PKI stuff inherently broken by design? |
| 17:33.31 | oiaohm | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.42 | oiaohm | But the tree effect is a pain. |
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| 17:35.21 | oiaohm | The public and private keys make it hard SopaXorzTaker. Since installed platform keys and the keys in the kek and keys in the bootloader and keys in the kernel are all public keys. |
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| 17:35.49 | oiaohm | You need the private keys to sign anything as approved. |
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| 17:40.42 | oiaohm | SopaXorzTaker: https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/take-control-your-pc-uefi-secure-boot This walks you though what you have to create to take control of the UEFI secureboot system. |
| 17:41.02 | SopaXorzTaker | oiaohm, I just have UEFI secure boot disabled |
| 17:41.09 | SopaXorzTaker | Thankfully Lenovo is not dumb |
| 17:42.27 | oiaohm | SopaXorzTaker: some UEFI firmware the only way to disable secure boot is delete the platform key and boot in setup mode. |
| 17:42.57 | SopaXorzTaker | oiaohm, how about not purchasing hardware that's defective by design? |
| 17:43.33 | oiaohm | You pay more for that. |
| 17:43.42 | oiaohm | A lot more like power pc motherboards. |
| 17:44.09 | SopaXorzTaker | oiaohm, well, I just got lucky with this Lenovo machine |
| 17:44.18 | SopaXorzTaker | but God knows what's the Intel ME doing |
| 17:44.47 | kirk781 | I was trying to install Windows' on a friend's machine recently and UEFI was giving so many issues. |
| 17:46.37 | oiaohm | SopaXorzTaker: the power pc the me equal is open source and you can replace it. |
| 17:47.10 | oiaohm | kirk781: yep UEFI can hate everyone. |
| 17:47.27 | SopaXorzTaker | oiaohm, what about ARM? |
| 17:47.33 | SopaXorzTaker | or RISC-V, even better |
| 17:47.45 | oiaohm | SopaXorzTaker: there are no decent arm or risc-v chips for desktops yet. |
| 17:47.58 | SopaXorzTaker | oiaohm, well, there are decent arm machines and SBCs |
| 17:48.03 | SopaXorzTaker | (see ODROID) |
| 17:48.11 | SopaXorzTaker | Pine64, etc |
| 17:48.24 | oiaohm | Most of those have hidden firmwares in them. |
| 17:48.42 | SopaXorzTaker | oiaohm, indeed, the bootloaders are in ROM and proprietary |
| 17:48.45 | oiaohm | the power pc one you have the full silicon design |
| 17:48.52 | oiaohm | full roms |
| 17:48.53 | SopaXorzTaker | which PowerPC one? |
| 17:48.55 | oiaohm | full everything |
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| 17:50.31 | oiaohm | SopaXorzTaker: https://www.raptorcs.com/TALOSII/ << these |
| 17:50.41 | oiaohm | SopaXorzTaker: its a full open platform. |
| 17:51.16 | petn-randall | Hi, is there any tool in Debian to conveniently do DNSBL lookups? Constructing the correct query can be tedious, and also the result has to be checked by hand. |
| 17:51.31 | SopaXorzTaker | oiaohm, hmm |
| 17:51.56 | SopaXorzTaker | oiaohm, expensive as hell |
| 17:52.13 | oiaohm | SopaXorzTaker: I know. |
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| 17:52.35 | oiaohm | SopaXorzTaker: if you are needing complete validation you would pay that. |
| 17:53.18 | FightingFalcon | well no |
| 17:53.18 | SopaXorzTaker | oiaohm, what prevents them from shipping different silicon, though? |
| 17:53.26 | FightingFalcon | majestic says the link is deleted but its not |
| 17:53.26 | FightingFalcon | sigh |
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| 17:54.01 | SopaXorzTaker | I suppose designing and fabricating your own CPU from scratch, manually, without any computing devices whatsoever is the uber-paranoid way |
| 17:54.34 | oiaohm | SopaXorzTaker: since you have the full silicon design you could do destructive testing to make sure they are providing what they should be. |
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| 17:55.08 | oiaohm | SopaXorzTaker: I don't really know way of inspecting silicon without cutting the chip into bits. |
| 17:55.14 | SopaXorzTaker | oiaohm, well, even if you do |
| 17:55.26 | SopaXorzTaker | there's still a probability of sneaking in a backdoor in SOME of the devices |
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| 17:55.45 | SopaXorzTaker | like, if you order a large batch, you're likely to destroy only the very first chips |
| 17:56.36 | oiaohm | Something that would be cool is if someone invented way of inspecting silicon without having to be destructive. |
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| 18:02.04 | SopaXorzTaker | well, clear packages with a window that allows them to be put into a SEM and scanned? |
| 18:02.29 | SopaXorzTaker | also, what prevent one from altering say, a single transistor to make a hidden privilege escalation backdoor? |
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| 18:06.04 | SerajewelKS | Noldorin: sorry i am back, what's up? |
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| 18:28.14 | trysten | What is the proper way to populate authorized_keys on an automatically installed system? I couldn't find anything specific in the debianinstaller modules so i'm going to try to use d-i preseed/late-command to install the key |
| 18:28.48 | trysten | also, i don't seem to have debconf-get-selections. where does it come from? |
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| 18:30.12 | RoyK | trysten: did you mean dpkg --get-selections ? |
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| 18:32.14 | LtL | trysten: there is a debconf-set-selections but not *get* afaik |
| 18:32.43 | bites | debconf-get-selections is in the debconf-utils package. |
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| 18:45.29 | trysten | Excellent, thank you bites |
| 18:45.54 | trysten | I suppose I should know the command to answer that question by now. |
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| 18:52.19 | lindylex | Debian testing stop play videos on Facebook. |
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| 18:52.52 | greycat | \o/ |
| 18:52.52 | bites | it's a good thing, right? |
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| 19:13.22 | NetTerminalGene | debian protects you from facebook |
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| 19:14.30 | HardlyHardware | about to trial Debian for a while |
| 19:15.51 | NetTerminalGene | try |
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| 19:37.06 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, hi |
| 19:37.17 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, so... my silly IRC client somehow managed to lost my logs from yesterday |
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| 19:37.22 | Noldorin | where were we? :) |
| 19:37.29 | Noldorin | (maybe you can just paste the logs for me?) |
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| 19:43.37 | rant | Noldorin: you have a debian issue you care to discuss? |
| 19:44.09 | Noldorin | rant, yeah, SerajewelKS and I were working on recovering my software RAID (on Debian) |
| 19:44.44 | rant | disk failure/replacement rebuild? |
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| 19:51.20 | jhutchins_wk | 1log |
| 19:51.27 | rant | Noldorin: thing is this is a support community.. and you seem to be uding it like a private query window that user was active hours ago and obviously you dont know them that well or youd know their schedule and contact them privately.. my suggestion is you explain your issue as it stands and let others help you |
| 19:51.41 | jhutchins_wk | !log |
| 19:51.41 | dpkg | Logs are what you should always check when you have a problem, they live in /var/log/ . For #debian logs, ask me about <irclog>. |
| 19:51.54 | Noldorin | !irclog |
| 19:51.54 | dpkg | i heard irclog is #debian on <freenode> is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23debian/ , #debian on <OFTC> is logged at http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/debian/ |
| 19:51.58 | Noldorin | ah nice |
| 19:52.44 | Noldorin | rant, well, it would take rather long to explain my current situation to someone new (I'm not even sure I could do it competently.) seems like it wouldn't be constructive, and rather just wasting someone's time. |
| 19:52.55 | Noldorin | but now we have logs... |
| 19:52.58 | Noldorin | anyone can see :-) |
| 19:53.00 | Noldorin | including myself |
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| 19:54.11 | jelly | maybe, but you're not paying that anyone enough to look at yesterday's logs at some indeterminate time to hunt for your issue |
| 19:54.17 | jelly | summarize. |
| 19:54.32 | rant | yeah and youre the only one who cares.. we need you to ask a question cause were busy doin otjer things unlesd you wanna pay someone |
| 19:54.52 | jelly | are you on mobile again rant |
| 19:55.21 | greycat | If a problem can't be explained in about 300 characters, then IRC is probably not the best place to seek help. Try a mailing list, Usenet, web forums. |
| 19:55.44 | jhutchins_wk | I think he's off reading logs. |
| 19:55.49 | jelly | Usenet still exists?! |
| 19:56.03 | greycat | It does, or so I've been told on mailing lists. |
| 19:56.09 | greycat | I haven't personally used it in many years. |
| 19:56.24 | rant | yeah i havent left the woods in like 2 days.. heh bout to leave now though very lil resources left here |
| 19:57.05 | rant | cant find his left sock |
| 19:57.45 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: It still exists, but I don't think there's any free access any more, it's all by subscription. |
| 19:58.17 | Noldorin | jelly, rant I'm not demanding your help though... I don't think you understand. I'm quite happy to wait until SerajewelKS is back ;-) |
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| 19:58.37 | jhutchins_wk | Still used extensively for distributing pirated TV shows. |
| 19:58.55 | greycat | Most people use bit torrent for that. |
| 19:59.55 | jhutchins_wk | Noldorin: If you want to summarize where you are and what you need now, there are a lot of people here who might be able to help. 1124 current users. |
| 19:59.59 | rant | yeah well thats not very polite to use this channel for that if that user wanted to give ongoing personal attention they wouldve had you do it privately |
| 20:00.29 | jhutchins_wk | rant: Actually, even 1:1 help is best done here so it can be scrutinized by the crowd. |
| 20:00.33 | Noldorin | rant, your nickname is rather accurate, I must say. |
| 20:00.37 | jelly | well that's a bit disingenous, there's never 1124 active and clueful users at the same time |
| 20:00.37 | Noldorin | jhutchins_wk, fair point |
| 20:01.22 | jhutchins_wk | Noldorin: If you'd like to type up a summary and pastebin it somewhere that would be a good way to re-start the process. |
| 20:01.35 | Noldorin | first things first: is there any way to recover today's logs? I can only seem to get yesterday's |
| 20:03.03 | Noldorin | that would help me write up a summary |
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| 20:16.03 | jhutchins_wk | Noldorin: Those logs are statically generated, probably by a daily cron job. They're not dynamic. |
| 20:16.18 | jhutchins_wk | I would guess the timestamps are GMT. |
| 20:17.37 | Noldorin | right |
| 20:18.09 | Noldorin | well, to the best of my memory, the next step I need to do is a block by block copy from /dev/sda1 to /dev/sdb1 (sdb1 is the partition for the disk that had its data corrupted). |
| 20:18.11 | Noldorin | forget how though |
| 20:18.34 | greycat | !ddrescue |
| 20:18.34 | dpkg | dd_rescue (packaged for Debian as ddrescue) is a tool to help you to save data from crashed partition. Unlike dd, dd_rescue will keep going on despite errors. It can also continue interrupted copying process and copy backwards. http://www.garloff.de/kurt/linux/ddrescue/ See also <gddrescue>. |
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| 20:20.54 | Noldorin | greycat, well my other partition is 100% okay. so I think I just need to do a block-by-block copy |
| 20:20.58 | Noldorin | (the drives are identical) |
| 20:21.03 | Noldorin | no? |
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| 20:21.30 | greycat | How would I know? Do whatever you think is right. Make sure the partition you're copying from is NOT mounted read-write. |
| 20:21.44 | trysten | How should I enable a unit file during installation? |
| 20:21.56 | jhutchins_wk | Noldorin: rsync. |
| 20:22.04 | Noldorin | greycat, okay fair heh |
| 20:22.09 | trysten | like, from the preseed file I did a `systemctl enable unit.service` which obvoiusly didn't work because systemctl isn't online yet |
| 20:22.12 | greycat | Note, rsync copies files, not raw disk blocks. |
| 20:22.14 | jhutchins_wk | Noldorin: Actually, this is/was a RAID? |
| 20:22.17 | trysten | so is it safe to create the proper symlink manually? |
| 20:22.18 | Noldorin | jhutchins_wk, yeah |
| 20:22.31 | ctcx | If making changes to /etc/rc.local and /etc/profile, is it enough to just logout and login again, or do I need to reboot system? |
| 20:22.43 | jhutchins_wk | Noldorin: In that case, you want to use the RAID software to re-initialize the disk. |
| 20:22.53 | greycat | /etc/profile is read by login shells, so rebooting would be silly. /etc/rc.local is read at boot time only. |
| 20:23.07 | ctcx | Thanks sir. |
| 20:23.09 | greycat | Those are two entirely separate files, for two entirely separate questions. |
| 20:23.17 | ctcx | Ouch |
| 20:23.18 | ctcx | Sorry |
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| 20:25.08 | Noldorin | jhutchins_wk, okay, so sda1 is actually my good partition right now: md0 : active raid1 sda1[0] |
| 20:25.36 | Noldorin | can I just do a block copy to the bad disk? |
| 20:25.54 | greycat | why are you copying TO a bad disk? |
| 20:26.17 | Noldorin | greycat, it's not damaged hardware, just some bad blocks due to a power surge I think |
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| 20:27.04 | greycat | so what you REALLY want is to treat this corrupted (not bad, not damaged) disk as a fresh blank disk, and simply add it to an existing MD array and let MD resync it? |
| 20:27.09 | jelly | Noldorin: then just (re-)add the members and let md rewrite |
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| 20:28.01 | Noldorin | greycat, jelly ah yes, you could be right. any pointers how to do that correctly? I'm afraid if I do it wrong, it will sync from the corrupted disk to the uncorrupted one, not vice versa as it should |
| 20:28.53 | jelly | your raid1 array has only one member at present. That will be the source, unless you somehow manage to nuke this array and create a completely different one |
| 20:29.08 | jhutchins_wk | Noldorin: No backups? |
| 20:29.32 | jhutchins_wk | Noldorin: Be sure to label the physical drives. |
| 20:30.00 | jelly | if you really want to and can identify problematic sectors, you can force remapping of bad sectors with hdparm tool. |
| 20:31.01 | greycat | I think that he thinks that there are no bad sectors, only data corruption. |
| 20:31.32 | jelly | <Noldorin> greycat, it's not damaged hardware, just some bad blocks due to a power surge I think |
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| 20:38.46 | Noldorin | jelly, yeah I recovered it to that point last night. that's the good disk. so if I just add the corrupted disk now... it should repair it? |
| 20:39.12 | Noldorin | jhutchins_wk, as in physically label? |
| 20:40.17 | greycat | google found me this https://www.howtoforge.com/replacing_hard_disks_in_a_raid1_array |
| 20:40.25 | greycat | I have no idea whether it's good; I've never had to do it yet |
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| 20:43.12 | Noldorin | greycat, good shout, thanks. the sfdisk command looks familiar |
| 20:43.25 | Noldorin | (to what was recommended to me last night, that is) |
| 20:46.21 | Noldorin | greycat, anyway, good article. looks like everything is in order. I should improve my google skills... but thanks |
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| 20:59.31 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 21:02.51 | Azrael_- | i'm running debian 8, are there anywhere packages for redmine available? |
| 21:03.25 | at0m | ,v redmine |
| 21:03.26 | judd | Package: redmine on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.4.4+dfsg1-2+deb7u1; jessie-security: 3.0~20140825-8~deb8u2; stretch: 3.3.1-4; stretch-proposed-updates: 3.3.1-4+deb9u2; stretch-security: 3.3.1-4+deb9u2; sid: 3.4.6-1 |
| 21:03.52 | greycat | it's in jessie-security but not in jessie? |
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| 21:04.32 | at0m | i don't know, that's what judd says |
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| 21:04.36 | bites | don't see it on jessie. |
| 21:05.13 | bites | weird |
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| 21:05.49 | greycat | Looks like judd's just pulling our legs. Or paws. |
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| 21:09.15 | Azrael_- | any suggestions how to get it properly installed using the package manager? :) |
| 21:09.48 | greycat | upgrade to stretch |
| 21:10.07 | bites | that. you want to keep building a system you will have to upgrade soon anyway? |
| 21:10.23 | Azrael_- | yay...... currently don't have much time to care about upgrading it |
| 21:10.43 | greycat | then you don't have time to do this ... redmine thing either |
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| 21:11.32 | ralpheeee | anyone using qutebrowser? i git cloned QB and ran the install scripts for the dictionary install ...everything workded well...however when cleaning "data: /home/ralphe/.local/share/qutebrowser" i noticed my dictionary were also deleted |
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| 21:12.40 | mycel | hey! can anyone help me with my wifi? Everytime I disconnect eth0, wifi is not working anymore |
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| 21:30.57 | abrotman | mycel: is it set to hotplug? |
| 21:31.23 | mycel | abrotman: hmmm to be honest I don't know |
| 21:32.11 | mycel | abrotman: I prepare a paste |
| 21:33.36 | mycel | abrotman: https://pastebin.com/PvauBXWb |
| 21:34.00 | mycel | I see ...yes hotplug |
| 21:34.11 | abrotman | got it? |
| 21:34.48 | mycel | should I delete that line? problem is I tried like all the stuff I read in forums etc. ... |
| 21:34.57 | abrotman | delete? no |
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| 21:35.10 | abrotman | change "auto wlan0" to "allow-hotplug wlan0" |
| 21:35.10 | TheCryptek | Change the line. |
| 21:35.15 | evanesoteric | I found a stackoverflow thread where someone uses "apt install -t testing" where -t denotes the target to install from... Can I add Debian Testing and only use it for specified packages? What happens if I run "apt update; apt full-upgrade"? |
| 21:35.26 | TheCryptek | @abrotman it's already "allow-hotplug wlan0" |
| 21:35.37 | abrotman | evanesoteric: there's a man page for apt-get |
| 21:35.50 | TheCryptek | in /etc/network/interfaces anyways |
| 21:36.03 | abrotman | TheCryptek: it's in there twice .. which one wins? |
| 21:36.31 | TheCryptek | only other one I see is with eth0 |
| 21:36.44 | abrotman | line 9 and line 13 |
| 21:38.06 | TheCryptek | Oh the auto wlan0 you're right. |
| 21:38.36 | mycel | soo ...I delete auto wlan0? |
| 21:38.55 | mycel | is the order of any relevance? |
| 21:39.23 | abrotman | hard to say .. delete the dupes |
| 21:39.27 | TheCryptek | ^ |
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| 21:39.34 | abrotman | be explicit .. don't leave it to chance :) |
| 21:39.38 | TheCryptek | You got to delete the dupes so you only have one to mess with. |
| 21:39.47 | TheCryptek | Call the one left your "control" |
| 21:40.05 | TheCryptek | if it doesn't work then change it to the other? Maybe? |
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| 21:41.33 | mycel | well ... yeah ... heh - to be honest I totally lost track of everything. I have a static IP but in interfaces eth0 is set to dhcp ...I have a static IP for wlan0 but it is a different IP in the end |
| 21:41.45 | abrotman | clean it up! |
| 21:42.13 | mycel | looks at all the mess and doesn't know how |
| 21:42.30 | TheCryptek | This your first time messing with interfaces? |
| 21:42.43 | mycel | yes |
| 21:42.58 | mycel | at least having a problem with it ... |
| 21:43.31 | TheCryptek | Take my advice, don't ask for someone to do it for you, ask them to teach you. Took me a solid 3 months to learn because the first two I kept asking for them to just do it for me. "Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime." |
| 21:44.21 | abrotman | What if they run out of fish? |
| 21:44.26 | mycel | yes, that was my intention |
| 21:44.29 | TheCryptek | <.< |
| 21:44.38 | TheCryptek | abrotman: Then I hope they know how to hunt xD! |
| 21:45.35 | mycel | deleting auto wlan0 didn't do it |
| 21:46.51 | mycel | it's unfortunately a headless system (don't have a monitor at hand) |
| 21:47.16 | mycel | which makes trouble shooting even more complicated |
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| 21:55.55 | dapredator | Hi everyone. Please correct me if I'm wrong, questions about debian buster should be asked in #debian-next? |
| 21:56.37 | bites | that's right |
| 21:56.54 | abrotman | On OFTC |
| 21:57.32 | dapredator | and how can I get there? I can't join there because it's invite-only channel :( |
| 21:57.34 | mycel | abrotman: any idea how I can approach this? |
| 21:57.41 | abrotman | dapredator: on irc.oftc.net |
| 21:57.48 | abrotman | mycel: you'll have to paste your current file again |
| 21:57.50 | dapredator | oh, thanks |
| 21:58.15 | mycel | abrotman: I just deleted auto wlan0 |
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| 21:59.51 | mycel | https://pastebin.com/JKsGkZ2N |
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| 22:00.21 | mycel | I think it has to do with the routings |
| 22:00.56 | mycel | because my pings are too good over wlan0 |
| 22:01.08 | mycel | 192.168.0.221: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=2.362 ms |
| 22:01.42 | mycel | routings == routes |
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| 22:52.54 | SerajewelKS | Noldorin: jeez we keep missing each other |
| 22:53.01 | SerajewelKS | i'm back at the keys for awhile now. where are you in the proces? |
| 22:53.03 | SerajewelKS | process* |
| 22:53.18 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, I'm here now :-) |
| 22:53.26 | Noldorin | thought you were avoiding me ha |
| 22:53.28 | Noldorin | (not really) |
| 22:53.42 | Noldorin | in the middle of the block copy... let me check |
| 22:53.47 | SerajewelKS | are you using ddrescue |
| 22:53.50 | Noldorin | oh no |
| 22:53.56 | Noldorin | I mean, it's actually doing the RAID sync |
| 22:53.59 | Noldorin | in the middle of that |
| 22:54.04 | Noldorin | no. do I need to use ddrescue? |
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| 22:54.23 | SerajewelKS | no, i was reading backlogs |
| 22:54.28 | SerajewelKS | was going to tell you to stop it :) |
| 22:55.25 | SerajewelKS | if it's doing the sync then you're good |
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| 22:55.30 | SerajewelKS | did you get the raid assembled read-write? |
| 22:55.40 | SerajewelKS | i guess you would've had to for it to be syncing |
| 22:55.50 | SerajewelKS | next step would be to fsck the volume while it's not mounted |
| 22:55.55 | SerajewelKS | which you can do during the resync |
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| 23:02.12 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, err, I must have yeah. I think it's just running it r-w rather than re-assembling it, no? |
| 23:02.15 | Noldorin | may be wrong |
| 23:02.26 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, just `fsck /dev/md0`? |
| 23:02.28 | SerajewelKS | the detail output would tell you |
| 23:02.39 | SerajewelKS | but regardless, it won't resync in read-only mode. so it must be read-write. |
| 23:02.43 | SerajewelKS | yes, assuming it's not mounted |
| 23:03.00 | SerajewelKS | it may be slower than usual since the resync is going on |
| 23:03.01 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, I can unmount and that won't interrupt the resync? |
| 23:03.05 | Noldorin | okay |
| 23:03.07 | SerajewelKS | correct |
| 23:03.18 | SerajewelKS | the syncing happens at a layer below the filesystem |
| 23:03.27 | SerajewelKS | raid1 doesn't care about the filesystem, the filesystem doesn't care about the raid1 |
| 23:03.31 | Noldorin | ah, at block level? |
| 23:03.32 | Noldorin | nice |
| 23:03.34 | SerajewelKS | yes |
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| 23:04.01 | Noldorin | only 6.2% done after a few hours... ouch |
| 23:04.11 | Noldorin | 2TB is a lot, I suppose |
| 23:04.15 | Noldorin | and bandwidth is low |
| 23:04.25 | Noldorin | USB bitrate I mean |
| 23:04.34 | Noldorin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.04 | SerajewelKS | i'm guessing it recovered the journal when you mounted it |
| 23:05.09 | SerajewelKS | if you want to be paranoid you could fsck -f |
| 23:05.43 | SerajewelKS | the nice thing about raid1 though is you can continue to use the volume as though everything is fine during the resync |
| 23:05.56 | Noldorin | cool |
| 23:06.11 | SerajewelKS | it'll just be kinda slow |
| 23:06.11 | Noldorin | I won't write to it I think |
| 23:06.15 | Noldorin | but I may read from it |
| 23:07.07 | Noldorin | will fsck -f take a long time? |
| 23:07.11 | SerajewelKS | both will work, just not as fast |
| 23:07.13 | SerajewelKS | yes, it may take some time |
| 23:07.33 | SerajewelKS | reading will still be impacted performance-wise because sda is being heavily read from already to complete the resync |
| 23:07.44 | SerajewelKS | so there will be contention for the disk |
| 23:09.32 | Noldorin | ah |
| 23:09.36 | Noldorin | makes sense |
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| 23:10.37 | SerajewelKS | if this machine has two separate USB controllers you may be able to improve performance by plugging each drive into a different controller |
| 23:10.43 | SerajewelKS | assuming that USB throughput is the bottleneck |
| 23:10.55 | Noldorin | hahah... it's a RaspberryPi, so that's going to be a no |
| 23:11.01 | SerajewelKS | oh damn |
| 23:11.13 | SerajewelKS | well. this gonna be a fun exercise then. |
| 23:11.20 | Noldorin | yeah. this is definitely not an ideal setup. good learning experience though |
| 23:13.01 | SerajewelKS | i used a VM to learn dmraid, using virtual disks on the same physical disk |
| 23:13.13 | SerajewelKS | so obviously raid1 wasn't useful in that scenario, but i got familiar with the commands and concepts |
| 23:13.58 | Noldorin | I see |
| 23:14.03 | Noldorin | yeah, that would be quicker |
| 23:14.08 | Noldorin | less "fun" perhaps though |
| 23:14.50 | Noldorin | is dmraid for hardware raid? while mdadm is for software raid? |
| 23:15.17 | SerajewelKS | dmraid is software raid, mdadm is the tool you use to control it |
| 23:15.39 | Noldorin | oh I see |
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| 23:27.54 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, looks like fsck -f did okay. /dev/md0: 28625/122093568 files (25.1% non-contiguous), 29224547/488345616 blocks |
| 23:28.00 | SerajewelKS | nice |
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| 23:28.36 | SerajewelKS | resyncing is persistent so if you shut the machine down and turn it back on (and the raid reassembles successfully) it will resume where it left off |
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| 23:33.50 | ralpheeee | installed fonts-powerline and the symbols are incorrect wrong / diff symbols all together....have checked my loclae "LANG=en_US.UTF-8" "LANGUAGE=en_US:en" |
| 23:34.19 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, yeah that's pretty cool |
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| 23:37.35 | dirac1 | Hello I have debian in strech, but I want to use a package (borgbackup) in a version 1.1+, there's a way to do it without taking my whole system to sid? |
| 23:37.48 | SerajewelKS | !simple sid backport |
| 23:37.48 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 23:38.24 | dirac1 | Thanks. |
| 23:38.52 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, anyway looks good. my NAS is back-up running, so thanks. I'll ping you if anything goes wrong, but I expect it will all be in order when this resync finishes. :-) |
| 23:39.08 | SerajewelKS | Noldorin: good luck! maybe invest in a UPS :) |
| 23:39.29 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, UPS? |
| 23:39.36 | SerajewelKS | uninterruptible power supply |
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| 23:39.56 | SerajewelKS | assuming this incident was caused by a power cut, a UPS will give the system enough power to at least shut itself down cleanly for extended power outages |
| 23:40.04 | SerajewelKS | if the power outage is short, it can just power the system through the outage |
| 23:40.17 | Noldorin | ah yes |
| 23:40.22 | Noldorin | true that |
| 23:40.57 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, can UPSs send signals that the power is out? |
| 23:44.18 | SerajewelKS | Noldorin: many UPSes have a USB connector that feeds this info to a computer, yes |
| 23:44.35 | Noldorin | cool |
| 23:44.37 | SerajewelKS | debian has some tools (nut) to monitor UPSes and perform actions when the power level reaches certain thresholds |
| 23:44.37 | Noldorin | good idea then |
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| 23:45.43 | SerajewelKS | if it's a rpi then the UPS doesn't need much capacity |
| 23:46.18 | rant | could use a damn portable usb charger |
| 23:46.38 | SerajewelKS | even that yeah |
| 23:46.46 | SerajewelKS | though you won't be able to tell how much charge it has |
| 23:46.47 | rant | though idk what sort of disks you're using on this thing |
| 23:47.05 | rant | that prob sucks up more power than the machine itself |
| 23:48.01 | SerajewelKS | depends if they're spinning too, if they're usually idle then they shouldn't draw much at all |
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| 23:52.30 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, ideally something to power both drives and the rpi for 5 or 10 mins at least |
| 23:52.44 | Noldorin | if it sends a signal, all the better |
| 23:52.47 | Noldorin | got any recommendations? |
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| 23:55.16 | Noldorin | issue is, I'm already using an external USB power hub for the two USB drives... |
| 23:56.00 | SerajewelKS | Noldorin: TBH anything you get should be big enough |
| 23:56.06 | Noldorin | heh |
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| 23:56.27 | SerajewelKS | most UPSes are built to power at least a desktop workstation for 15-30 minutes |
| 23:56.34 | SerajewelKS | they should run your rpi for hours |
| 23:58.22 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, oh I was thinking of just a portable USB charger like rant suggested. a UPS seems too expensive |
| 23:58.30 | Noldorin | a quick search was showing prices of > £100 |
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