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| 00:04.21 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, am I mistaken? anyway, I doubt a power bank would be enough now |
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| 00:08.56 | ardian | hi, is there a way to install debian from live cd? |
| 00:09.12 | ardian | seems like the installer app doesn't come with the live image anymore. |
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| 00:45.11 | deadman36g | I was following the FAQ at https://github.com/feralhosting/feralfilehosting/tree/master/Feral%20Wiki/SSH/Mount%20Your%20Server%20as%20a%20Local%20Filesystem%20-%20Linux to automount my remote server and eveything is working except the last step, when I reboot I do not autoconnect. Can someone help me with this? |
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| 00:51.48 | SerajewelKS | deadman36g: make sure you add _netdev to the options |
| 00:53.12 | SerajewelKS | also i'm not sure who wrote this guide, but you need the "auto" option as well |
| 00:53.32 | SerajewelKS | which is part of "defaults" |
| 00:53.36 | deadman36g | SerajewelKS my current entry in fstab is ;sshfs#user@myserver.com:/media/sdav/home /srv/feral/ fuse reconnect,allow_other,ServerAliveInterval=15,ServerAliveCountMax=3,_netdev,user,idmap=user 0 0; |
| 00:53.42 | SerajewelKS | so you may want defaults,user,idmap=user,_netdev |
| 00:54.02 | SerajewelKS | i don't see "defaults" or "auto" in the options |
| 00:54.06 | SerajewelKS | hence, i don't think it will automount |
| 00:54.13 | SerajewelKS | but i may be mistaken |
| 00:54.32 | deadman36g | Trying now with defaults added |
| 00:57.35 | deadman36g | Trying sshfs#user@myserver.com:/media/sdav/user /srv/feral/ fuse auto,user,idmap=user,_netdev 0 0 did not work |
| 00:58.30 | SerajewelKS | hmm. might check syslog to see if it was attempted. |
| 00:58.31 | Kaminota | fuse.sshfs |
| 00:58.32 | deadman36g | The mount -a command will connect me, but I am just not auto connecting at boot for some reason |
| 00:59.18 | Kaminota | username@hostname:/mount/point /local/mount/point fuse.sshfs |
| 00:59.32 | Kaminota | And on mine my options are defaults,reconnect,allow_other,default_permissions,_netdev |
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| 00:59.59 | Kaminota | deadman36g (Forgot to ping.) |
| 01:00.10 | deadman36g | Thank you making the changes now |
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| 01:01.50 | deadman36g | ok, my entire entry is "sshfs#deadman36g@ephialtes.feralhosting.com:/media/sdav/deadman36g /srv/feral/ fuse.sshfs defaults,user,idmap=user,_netdev 0 0" but still not auto connecting |
| 01:02.24 | Kaminota | leave off the sshfs# at the start. |
| 01:03.53 | deadman36g | Kaminota It worked!! |
| 01:03.56 | Kaminota | And you don't NEED the 0 0 at the end. They are assumed if not given. |
| 01:03.59 | Kaminota | Yeah! |
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| 01:54.29 | rant | in most files ; and # are comments |
| 01:55.07 | rant | and I'm not certain about fstab if it considers everything after a # a comment or only if its first char but I'm willing to bet it considered everything after the # a comment |
| 01:56.37 | rant | its probably a bad idea to set this to auto though as it may hang the boot considerably if its unreachable |
| 01:57.41 | rant | guess I'm way late on that.. :P |
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| 02:03.19 | novilog | I'm trying to run a program that I wrote that (I suspect) is taking up too much memory and causing my system to crash. Is there a way to limit the amount of memory this program can use while running as a command line argument? Something like 'limit -m 2G ./program < input.txt' ? |
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| 02:04.03 | rant | well while that sort of thing could be done, if your program is OOMing, thats a problem that needs to be fixed |
| 02:05.00 | novilog | I don't know if it is for certain. It's difficult to determine whether it's eating memory or the system I'm trying to run it on has some kind of unexpected bottleneck, thus the need for such a device. I'm running a persistent live debian usb on a chromebook for reference |
| 02:06.32 | rant | ah, well yes that would be using a lot of your ram already |
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| 02:06.38 | rant | how much memory do you have available? |
| 02:06.47 | novilog | Also worth noting that I have 2.9G of memory available according to free -h |
| 02:07.11 | rant | so you have what like 4G total? |
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| 02:07.30 | novilog | Correct. And the program locks up my computer entirely after about 8-9 seconds. |
| 02:07.55 | novilog | I can't tell what the actual bottleneck is though, because it doesn't actually "crash" per-say. It just freezes everything |
| 02:08.52 | novilog | I haven't let it run for a long period of time though just to see if it would eventually catch up. I know sometimes I get the same freezing behavior right after boot-up or while trying to open a 'larger' app like firefox, which I can imagine is consuming all of my memory -- thus the confusion |
| 02:08.59 | rant | are you willing or able to share this code or more info about what its doing? |
| 02:09.27 | novilog | It's for a class and unfortunately I'm forbidden from getting unauthorized external assistance with the code itself. |
| 02:09.36 | rant | ah I see |
| 02:09.46 | novilog | Just trying to see if there're some bash tools out there that can help my debug what the problem is from my end |
| 02:09.52 | Kaminota | rant, In fstab only when the # is at the start is it a comment. Also for net devices I believe it will only hold the system for a max of 30 seconds and that is rare. How he was trying to do it is an old obsolete way. |
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| 02:10.49 | rant | well the condition you describe is OOM (Out Of Memory) and should say such in dmesg and show in a top or similar program. I like htop, its ncurses based and shows stats in real time with graphs, also most DE have something similar like gnome-system-monitor or mate-system-monitor |
| 02:11.09 | rant | if a program is causing an OOM its usually do to a memory leak and is poor coding |
| 02:11.16 | rant | or a bug or race condition |
| 02:11.39 | rant | simply limiting its resources will not change this fact it merely will prevent it from locking the system up |
| 02:11.51 | rant | and will cause the program itself to become non-responsive more quickly |
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| 02:12.46 | novilog | Yeah. I've triple checked my code for dynamic memory that I'm not deallocating. That's all I'm trying to do. Trying to prevent my system from locking up so I know it's not just taking a long time to process. It is a sufficiently computationally expensive algorithm, after all. |
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| 02:14.25 | novilog | I guess either way it shouldn't be 00Ming... it does have a stack-like data structure, which is getting filled with "position" information on the order of 4^N terms |
| 02:14.57 | novilog | I'll take another look at it I guess. Thanks for the sounding board, and sorry I got off-topic |
| 02:15.04 | novilog | rant: Thanks for your help |
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| 02:36.04 | n4dir | !backport |
| 02:37.29 | n4dir | looks like i can't speak to dpkg. Someone has a web-link how to build a deb package easily. Thanks |
| 02:37.51 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: ssb |
| 02:37.52 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 02:38.31 | n4dir | thanks, dondelelcaro |
| 02:39.56 | n4dir | doesn't help that much, as the package ain't in sid either. :-) |
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| 03:12.44 | comet23 | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/8KSnbXVM/ |
| 03:12.45 | comet23 | =( |
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| 03:13.48 | annadane | you are making a FrankenDebian |
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| 03:14.32 | annadane | and your system is quite possibly broken by now |
| 03:18.47 | comet23 | =( |
| 03:18.54 | comet23 | this is wsl |
| 03:18.56 | annadane | 1) why do you need perl 5.26 and 2) you should consider backing up and reinstalling at this point |
| 03:19.12 | comet23 | well i am unsure how wsl works |
| 03:19.22 | comet23 | but it lets me run headless linux on windows |
| 03:19.36 | annadane | there's #debian-wsl on oftc |
| 03:19.39 | comet23 | like i can download debian from the microsoft store |
| 03:19.40 | annadane | irc.oftc.net |
| 03:20.14 | annadane | i have no idea what wsl does with their perl versions but if it works anything like debian stable your system is probably screwed |
| 03:20.21 | annadane | ask there, though |
| 03:20.38 | comet23 | i don't either |
| 03:20.43 | comet23 | it doesn't work |
| 03:20.44 | comet23 | =( |
| 03:20.53 | annadane | what doesn't work |
| 03:21.04 | comet23 | the os |
| 03:21.09 | comet23 | the headless os |
| 03:21.13 | comet23 | are you on windows? |
| 03:21.21 | annadane | no, i'm on debian proper |
| 03:21.28 | comet23 | welp |
| 03:21.47 | annadane | derivatives of debian generally aren't supported in this channel |
| 03:21.54 | annadane | as i said, try #debian-wsl on irc.oftc.net |
| 03:21.59 | comet23 | ohhhhhhhhhhhh\ |
| 03:22.03 | comet23 | thank you so much |
| 03:22.12 | comet23 | i didn't know that was a separate network |
| 03:22.12 | comet23 | how did you find that by the way? |
| 03:22.21 | annadane | i did /msg dpkg wsl |
| 03:22.22 | comet23 | that channel and that network |
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| 03:22.40 | comet23 | that's really cool |
| 03:22.43 | annadane | - dpkg is a bot in this channel which gives various information |
| 03:22.49 | comet23 | thank you so much |
| 03:22.52 | comet23 | what a useful bot |
| 03:23.49 | annadane | i have no idea how wsl does it but the philosophy behind debian stable involves older but well tested packages and if you start installing newer stuff, you can end up bricking your system, but who knows what changes wsl introduces |
| 03:24.18 | comet23 | it's like a separate folder |
| 03:24.23 | comet23 | kinda like cygwin if you ever used that |
| 03:24.24 | annadane | 5.26 is in testing/unstable and if you do that on a debian box you probably need to reinstall |
| 03:24.29 | comet23 | it keeps everything isolated |
| 03:25.02 | comet23 | well there are 6 whole people in that channel lol |
| 03:25.37 | annadane | yeah. sorry. |
| 03:25.39 | annadane | !they don't know |
| 03:25.40 | dpkg | We're sorry your distro's channel isn't being helpful, but that doesn't make it appropriate to use #debian for non-Debian questions. Please go back to your channel and wait patiently for better help, or install Debian and party with us. |
| 03:26.03 | annadane | but pabs is there and he's really smart so just idle a bit and someone will answer |
| 03:26.27 | annadane | or uh, contact microsoft support i guess, but knowing microsoft and how useless THEY are... |
| 03:26.42 | comet23 | how do you know pabs? |
| 03:26.53 | annadane | he's relatively well known, he's a debian maintainer |
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| 03:27.54 | comet23 | what is the average iq of a debian maintainer? |
| 03:28.02 | annadane | higher than mine |
| 03:28.21 | comet23 | i feel like i'm at least 40 points below the minimum threshold |
| 03:33.32 | annadane | i guess as general advice if you need a newer perl for something you should put it in a chroot |
| 03:33.42 | annadane | or maybe there's some other software for multiple perl versions, i don't know |
| 03:33.53 | annadane | what you *don't* do is apt install perl 5.26 |
| 03:33.58 | comet23 | pabs is talking with me :) |
| 03:34.03 | comet23 | oh man i did that |
| 03:34.07 | n4dir | perlbrew? |
| 03:34.30 | comet23 | i don't know what that is |
| 03:35.16 | n4dir | it is a way to install perl versions as user in the users home directory, iirc. |
| 03:36.32 | comet23 | i'm running debian on windows |
| 03:36.46 | comet23 | you can run linux on windows now, headless, but still :D |
| 03:38.06 | n4dir | trying to build a deb package and getting errors. what was the name of the channel for folks who do it for the fun of it, not for the debian repos ? |
| 03:38.16 | annadane | #packaging in oftc |
| 03:39.06 | n4dir | thanks. |
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| 05:47.10 | martian67 | hello i have a debian dev process question |
| 05:47.11 | martian67 | https://tracker.debian.org/news/986618/accepted-qtbase-opensource-src-5111dfsg-8-source-into-unstable/ |
| 05:47.20 | martian67 | why is this not in the arm64 repos yet? not built? |
| 05:48.07 | martian67 | its accepted, is there something else that needs to occur? |
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| 05:50.59 | martian67 | or rather, this package sorry https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/qtbase-opensource-src |
| 05:51.09 | martian67 | but i think its built from qtcase |
| 05:51.42 | themill | ,v src:qtbase-opensource-src arm64 |
| 05:51.43 | judd | Package: src:qtbase-opensource-src on arm64 -- jessie: 5.3.2+dfsg-4+deb8u2; stretch: 5.7.1+dfsg-3; sid: 5.10.1+dfsg-5; sid-debug: 5.10.1+dfsg-5; sid: 5.10.1+dfsg-7; sid-debug: 5.10.1+dfsg-7; buster: 5.11.1+dfsg-7; sid: 5.11.1+dfsg-8; sid-debug: 5.11.1+dfsg-8 |
| 05:52.05 | martian67 | all the repos have for sid is dfsg-7 |
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| 05:52.12 | themill | nope |
| 05:52.15 | martian67 | maybe my mirror is out of date? |
| 05:52.19 | themill | it is in arm64; your mirror might be lagging behind. |
| 05:52.43 | themill | There's a delay between source upload, buildd queue, building, upload of built .debs, inclusion of .debs into archive, pushing of new .debs to mirrors |
| 05:52.59 | martian67 | its been a day |
| 05:53.00 | martian67 | just seems strange |
| 05:53.11 | themill | that can easily take several days |
| 05:53.41 | themill | particularly on slow archs where the buildds take ages to compile things or whether there are few buildds available |
| 05:54.39 | themill | (not the case here though, the build was included into sid 38 hours ago) |
| 05:55.05 | martian67 | using https://cdn-aws.deb.debian.org/debian its weird it would lag behind that hard |
| 05:55.21 | martian67 | is there a mirror freshness tool you know off the top of your head? |
| 05:55.34 | martian67 | if not im sure i can find one |
| 05:55.54 | themill | I have one on my laptop.... does that count? |
| 05:56.07 | martian67 | a mirror? what do you use a mac? |
| 05:56.08 | martian67 | :) |
| 05:56.54 | themill | a mirror checking tool |
| 05:57.02 | martian67 | i know i was joking |
| 05:57.25 | themill | Also, I see -8 in https://cdn-aws.deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/q/qtbase-opensource-src/ |
| 05:57.47 | martian67 | so why is it not being fetched with dist-upgrade arg |
| 05:57.47 | themill | (I would have a different view of the cdn than you, quite possibly) |
| 05:58.00 | martian67 | looking |
| 05:58.05 | themill | !bar |
| 05:58.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, bar is a <metasyntactic variable> in cahoots with <foo>, <baz> and <boo>. |
| 05:58.07 | themill | !bat |
| 05:58.12 | themill | gah |
| 05:58.14 | themill | stupid bot |
| 05:58.18 | themill | dselect: bat |
| 05:58.19 | dselect | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 05:58.22 | martian67 | i also see 8 |
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| 05:59.37 | martian67 | building a log |
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| 06:06.03 | martian67 | themill, https://paste.debian.net/1042040/ |
| 06:06.22 | martian67 | looks like it acknowledges 5.11.1+dfsg-8 exists |
| 06:06.34 | martian67 | but its not being selected for reasons i dont understand |
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| 06:09.07 | martian67 | hmm why is buster/testing higher priority |
| 06:09.19 | martian67 | i guess thats the source of my problem but why? |
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| 06:14.27 | themill | You have Default-Release set somewhere |
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| 06:14.42 | themill | (or straight out pinning) |
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| 06:17.49 | martian67 | was indeed the problem thanks themill |
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| 06:17.59 | martian67 | i thought i was running sid apparently i wasnt, embarassing :( |
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| 06:46.33 | atralheaven | hi, I still have the black screen problem with debian installer, setting vga options didn't help... what can I do? I just want a minimal debian setup on my laptop using the netinstall image |
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| 06:49.44 | atralheaven | I have no idea what should I do |
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| 06:59.54 | at0m | atralheaven: what gpu do you have on that laptop? any way to hook up an external monitor/tv to vga or hdmi? |
| 07:00.44 | at0m | i imagine maybe it switches to some external display which isn't hooked up at all. hooking up something there would then give you a display |
| 07:03.19 | atralheaven | at0m: I have another monitor, I will try it. and the gpu is 1060 |
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| 07:08.37 | atralheaven | at0m: do I need to use an option for installer when the second display is connected? |
| 07:09.27 | RoyK | probably vga=something |
| 07:09.28 | at0m | atralheaven: if the installer mistakes and takes external instead of internal, you probably dont |
| 07:09.54 | RoyK | just try first |
| 07:10.01 | at0m | yea that's easy |
| 07:10.10 | atralheaven | I did, didn't work |
| 07:10.55 | at0m | atralheaven: and no onboard intel? (my laptop has onboard intel gpu, and nvidia on top) |
| 07:11.39 | atralheaven | I have onboard intel too, but there was no option for forcing the laptop to only use that |
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| 07:14.10 | at0m | atralheaven: normally it doesn't use the nvidia unless you tell it to. onboard is default. |
| 07:14.39 | atralheaven | yes, I don't understand what's wrong with it |
| 07:14.43 | at0m | !bumblebee |
| 07:14.43 | dpkg | The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <wheezy-backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net. |
| 07:15.00 | at0m | so unless you ^, it will use the intel gpu |
| 07:16.33 | atralheaven | but how can I switch to intel before running the installer? |
| 07:17.08 | at0m | atralheaven: such laptops usually default to intel, so nothing is needed to switch to the intel. |
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| 07:18.42 | at0m | atralheaven: can you add "nomodeset" to grub's boot line? |
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| 07:19.15 | at0m | if you do see grub at all, that is |
| 07:19.18 | atralheaven | editing it with "e" and them |
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| 07:19.21 | at0m | right |
| 07:19.23 | atralheaven | then f10 |
| 07:19.38 | atralheaven | I tried it many times, didn't help |
| 07:19.40 | themill | use the text installer not the graphical one? |
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| 07:20.08 | atralheaven | I tried them with text based installer too |
| 07:20.10 | at0m | themill: does netinstall have graphical boot? |
| 07:20.16 | themill | sure |
| 07:20.17 | at0m | seems it does |
| 07:20.39 | at0m | (i dont know, only using non-graphical ever) |
| 07:21.03 | atralheaven | now I'm tweaking graphic drivers from windows, maybe something is being controlled from there |
| 07:22.01 | at0m | < out for a bit |
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| 07:32.00 | dnscat | Hello. I'd like to install a package that is only available in buster. currently I'm on stretch. What are my options? |
| 07:32.27 | jelly | dnscat: which package? |
| 07:32.40 | dnscat | jelly: gcc-7 |
| 07:33.03 | jelly | that's going to be interesting to backport |
| 07:33.15 | jelly | ,v gcc-7 |
| 07:33.16 | judd | Package: gcc-7 on amd64 -- buster: 7.3.0-29; sid: 7.3.0-29 |
| 07:33.19 | jelly | ,v gcc-8 |
| 07:33.20 | judd | Package: gcc-8 on amd64 -- buster: 8.2.0-5; sid: 8.2.0-6 |
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| 07:34.20 | dnscat | wait... |
| 07:34.29 | dnscat | so it's been available already? |
| 07:34.42 | jelly | ,checkbackport gcc-7 |
| 07:34.51 | themill | yeah, good luck with thtat |
| 07:34.53 | jelly | only in buster and sid |
| 07:34.56 | judd | Backporting package gcc-7 in sidâstretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: gcc-8-base, binutils:native (>= 2.30) | binutils-multiarch:native (>= 2.30), binutils-hppa64-linux-gnu:native (>= 2.30) [hppa amd64 i386 x32], nvptx-tools [amd64], gnat-7:native [!m32r !riscv64 !sh3 !sh3eb !sh4eb !m68k], g++-7:native, libmpc-dev (>= 1.1), g++-7-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>, |
| 07:34.57 | judd | gobjc-7-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>, gfortran-7-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>, gdc-7-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>, gccgo-7-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>, gnat-7-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>. |
| 07:35.05 | dnscat | yikes |
| 07:35.06 | dnscat | okay |
| 07:35.08 | dnscat | thank you |
| 07:35.47 | dnscat | jelly: could I just upgrade to buster? |
| 07:36.09 | jelly | you could use a separate container or chroot and do whatever you need to do in there |
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| 07:39.39 | ralpheeee | where do i check the status of a package ie has it been requested to be inc in debian packages |
| 07:42.06 | themill | !wnpp |
| 07:42.07 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp (refinable list at http://wnpp.debian.net/). Use wnpp-alert (from the <devscripts> package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
| 07:42.50 | ralpheeee | thxs |
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| 07:50.39 | jelly | dnscat: or sure, upgrade the whole system if that's its only purpose in life and you don't worry about other things breaking |
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| 07:58.35 | ralpheeee | trying to file a bug report and receive the following "SMTP send failure: [Errno 101] Network is unreachable"...currently using a vpn ...do i need to deactive the vpn? |
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| 08:06.25 | jelly | ralpheeee: you need to be able to connect to reportbug.debian.org:25 to or give reportbug options to send mail using some other outgoing mail server |
| 08:07.53 | jelly | dpkg: ping |
| 08:07.53 | dpkg | pong |
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| 08:20.27 | jelly | ralpheeee: you need to be able to connect to reportbug.debian.org:25 to or give reportbug options to send mail using some other outgoing mail server; if disabling vpn helps with that, then yes disable vpn temporarily |
| 08:22.36 | ralpheeee | on a side note i wish every distro inc "reportbug" darn efficient! |
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| 08:32.07 | themill | or :587 |
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| 08:43.11 | purpleunicorn | hi |
| 08:43.35 | klys | hi |
| 08:43.53 | purpleunicorn | i have 0 experience with linux except using ubuntu a little bit. I'm a newb i guess. Is it easier to use openbsd vs debian? |
| 08:44.02 | purpleunicorn | how's it going klys |
| 08:44.09 | klys | i'm well |
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| 08:45.04 | purpleunicorn | im thinking about using gallium and then working my way up? Is anyone familiar with gallium |
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| 08:45.33 | klys | as far as ubuntu goes, debian's cool. likely a fair bit cooler than bsd |
| 08:46.11 | purpleunicorn | someone else has told me debian is a bit easier to use then openbsd |
| 08:46.31 | purpleunicorn | is that true |
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| 08:46.55 | klys | yeah and less error-prone; I've set up netbsd a couple months ago |
| 08:47.41 | petn-randall | purpleunicorn: You'll only get a biased answer in a channel called #debian. :) |
| 08:47.47 | purpleunicorn | lol |
| 08:47.50 | purpleunicorn | i know petn-randall |
| 08:47.55 | klys | debian is what I use all the time, true |
| 08:49.00 | petn-randall | purpleunicorn: So it would be a bit more helpful if you'd ask about your specific use case, because everyone in here will find Debian easier, better, more secure, user-friendly, etc. than any other distro or OS. |
| 08:49.28 | purpleunicorn | what do most people use it for petn-randall |
| 08:49.49 | klys | purpleunicorn, debian is a fair bit easier to use when you learn basic tools such as ls and mv |
| 08:49.52 | purpleunicorn | big companies like google and microsoft? |
| 08:50.56 | jelly | most people in here never talk, it's really hard to guess what they use the OS for |
| 08:50.56 | klys | purpleunicorn, we may tend to use GOOG a fair bit more then MSFT. |
| 08:51.35 | petn-randall | purpleunicorn: For their laptop, desktop computer, their handheld, their mobile phone, their server, their PS3, their toaster. And I guess a few more cases I forgot to cover. :) |
| 08:53.11 | purpleunicorn | petn-randall i know that they use it for those machines but what do most people use it specifically for |
| 08:53.24 | purpleunicorn | *devices |
| 08:54.04 | petn-randall | purpleunicorn: What do you use your machines for? |
| 08:54.19 | purpleunicorn | anything |
| 08:54.31 | klys | purpleunicorn, I mostly use it for this kind of stuff, and some coding and browsing and music and exploratory other uses. |
| 08:54.38 | purpleunicorn | im just saying for learning purposes why is it used? |
| 08:54.44 | purpleunicorn | oh |
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| 08:55.32 | purpleunicorn | the only thing i think of linux is people just use it because its more secure than windows os and mac os and more versatile |
| 08:56.18 | petn-randall | purpleunicorn: I guess you answered your question then :) |
| 08:56.45 | purpleunicorn | right.. |
| 08:56.50 | klys | you can still use your windows, if you boot linux over a serial line and run virt-manager via vnc... |
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| 08:57.23 | purpleunicorn | what's a serial line klys |
| 08:57.33 | kopper | klys: Is there any harder way to say "virtualize it"? |
| 08:57.37 | klys | will link one from ebay |
| 08:57.48 | kopper | Ah, not what you meant |
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| 08:59.27 | klys | https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-NULL-Modem-DB9-9-Pin-Female-F-F-Serial-Adapter-Gender-Changer-USA-Fast/232825348144 |
| 09:00.22 | petn-randall | That's a weird thing to want, and there are easier ways to run Windows on Linux ... |
| 09:00.32 | klys | https://www.ebay.com/p/Lot10-X-High-Quality-USB-2-0-to-Rs232-Serial-Db9-9-Pin-Cable-Adapter-Practical/503431596 also |
| 09:00.47 | purpleunicorn | what's a weird thing to want petn-randall |
| 09:00.51 | klys | oh |
| 09:02.44 | petn-randall | purpleunicorn: Booting your Linux over a serial line, as klys suggested. |
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| 09:05.35 | klys | purpleunicorn, here's the other part. https://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-to-RS232-serial-Blue-DB9-Adapter-USB-Cable-for-XP-Vista-Win7-Female-Screw/380925878415 |
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| 09:09.31 | jelly | purpleunicorn: linux (as in, the gnu/linux class of operating systems, not Android) is not really more secure than modern windows, it's just a lot less exposed. It's enjoying security by obscurity. |
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| 09:10.37 | purpleunicorn | that's what i meant to say jelly |
| 09:10.40 | purpleunicorn | i like that |
| 09:11.07 | purpleunicorn | in this day and age i feel like you have to know how to use linux anyways |
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| 10:25.06 | themill | oo_miguel: mknod |
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| 10:27.20 | oo_miguel | themill: ah thanks |
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| 10:41.23 | RA3OR | hi, is php 7.1 supported in debian ? |
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| 10:43.32 | themill | it's in buster at present but I assume it will not be by release time (replaced with php7.2) |
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| 10:44.52 | Voldenet | if you need some specific version, you can always compile it into /opt |
| 10:48.22 | JustASlacker | we use survy with great success |
| 10:48.37 | JustASlacker | https://deb.sury.org/ |
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| 11:04.16 | hudo | hello, I like to write a logrotate script for a normal user. Is this possible ? Do I have to place the script in /etc/logrotate.d if it should run daily ? |
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| 11:07.18 | ayekat | I would probably write a systemd user service+timer and have it run logrotate with the config in $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/logrotate.d/⦠|
| 11:07.42 | Voldenet | hudo: I'd probably just write a regular perl script and run it with cron |
| 11:07.57 | Voldenet | there's no need to make it extremely sophisticated |
| 11:10.26 | petn-randall | hudo: logrotate can rotate any kinds of scripts, not only those generated by root. The question is, what is producing the logs? |
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| 11:15.17 | hudo | a normal user1 starts a cronjob which writes into a logfile user1.log and I like to rotate this user1.log file |
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| 11:16.09 | hudo | the /etc/logrotate.d belongs to root, so ... what do i have to do ? |
| 11:16.47 | petn-randall | hudo: Do you want user1 to be able to configure it? Because if not, I'd just set it up like any other logrotate. |
| 11:17.21 | hudo | yes user1 should configure it |
| 11:20.21 | FinalX | JustASlacker / RA3OR: Sury is also the head maintainer of PHP in Debian and Ubuntu, which is why we also make use of it. There's a trade-off in using an external repository for PHP though, you will have to keep your code up to date in shorter cycles (which is good in itself, but might be time consuming).. as security-wise you need to always run the latest version. |
| 11:21.15 | FinalX | JustASlacker / RA3OR: Plus he has a track record of updating the most recent version first, then Debian / Ubuntu LTS versions, and then sometimes a week later the rest of the (older) versions.. Like 7.2 was updated right away, as was Debian/Ubuntu, but 7.1 took a week longer to receive security updates. |
| 11:21.47 | FinalX | Use with care. If you stick with the original Debian PHP-version, you get security fixes in a decent timeframe without much worry about code not working. |
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| 11:27.50 | Fox | hudo: tell user to create the logrotate config, tell him to test it with logrorate -d /path/to/config then tell him to add a cronjob with crontab -e that executes /usr/sbin/logrotate -s /path/to/status/file /path/to/config anytime he wants |
| 11:28.11 | JustASlacker | FinalX: yeah, updating php is always fun |
| 11:29.00 | JustASlacker | its kinda hard to stick to debian only repositories if you need php71 or php72 |
| 11:30.17 | FinalX | Yeah, we finally decided on two options here after toying around with many. You can use Debian stock and upgrade with Debian and have a major overhaul of your code then, or, you roll with Sury's packages and you make sure your crap is always up to date. Sury's packages will be forcibly upgraded without warning because security fixes aren't backported to the version you're using.. so.. choose :) |
| 11:30.28 | FinalX | Developers usually go for the second option, eagerly.. only some pick the first. |
| 11:31.10 | petn-randall | Does PHP not follow semantic versioning? |
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| 11:31.54 | FinalX | yes; though it's a bit tricky with the packages of different sources |
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| 11:32.14 | FinalX | Dotdeb suddenly decided to no longer include something in the core package, but make a module package out of it, breaking things with a minor upgrade.. |
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| 11:32.26 | FinalX | (without even mentioning it in the changelog) |
| 11:33.05 | FinalX | Never had such an issue with Sury though, but he uses the same build scripts that he uses for Debian/Ubuntu's own packages. |
| 11:33.20 | FinalX | So never really any sudden surprises like that ;) |
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| 11:35.47 | uniqdom | Hello. I have a VPS in Digital Ocean. They provide a custom Debian system. I would like to reinstall Debian from a safe source, but they don't provide a way to upload an ISO to install an original Debian system. Do I have an option to achieve what I want? |
| 11:37.21 | petn-randall | uniqdom: You'll have to ask digital ocean about that. Debian can only provide the source; you'll have to ask DO how to use them. |
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| 11:38.15 | petn-randall | uniqdom: But quite frankly, what are you trying to protect yourself from? You have to trust your provider, as they have access to the memory/disk of your VM at any point in time. |
| 11:38.18 | uniqdom | ok. If I use debootstrap, will I have to chroot always? |
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| 11:40.05 | uniqdom | petn-randall: yes I understand you. the thing is that the system had some things that doesn't come from Debian. |
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| 11:40.56 | petn-randall | uniqdom: You can deboostrap your instance, but I don't know if they boot that kernel or any custom one. |
| 11:41.34 | hudo | Fox, what is the /path/to/status/file ? What is this file ? |
| 11:41.48 | uniqdom | i.e I see the binary /opt/digitalocean/bin/do-agent, don't know what it does. |
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| 11:42.39 | beli3ver | Hello is there a way to use Debian with runit ? |
| 11:45.04 | JustASlacker | I guess you could have systemd start runint and have runit handle some services |
| 11:45.29 | JustASlacker | https://packages.debian.org/buster/runit-systemd |
| 11:46.32 | beli3ver | And musl? |
| 11:46.38 | uniqdom | petn-randall: what kernel do you mean? |
| 11:47.16 | beli3ver | Found it thanks JustASlacker |
| 11:48.37 | ayekat | hudo: see -s, --state in logrotate(8) |
| 11:49.24 | ayekat | essentially you don't want logrotate to create a system-wide state file in /var/lib/â¦, but rather in a user-specific place (probably in the users' home) |
| 11:49.25 | hudo | if mylogfile is of size 186k and initially logrotate should work with size 50k , are then 3 files created ( mylogfile.1, mylogfile.2, mylogfile.3 ) and the actual mylogfile is of size 36k |
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| 11:49.59 | hudo | or will there be only mylogfile.1 created with size of 186k ? |
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| 11:56.54 | scraiht | hudo: I think that depends on your logrotate config |
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| 11:57.36 | FinalX | uniqdom: if they provide extra packages, that's probably to make things run smoothly or help you control it from the control panel better. you can always just stop their scripts / disable them instead of reinstalling. Debian packages are signed to begin with, so they can't easily be tampered with. You can also reinstall packages from a new source that you do trust.. but still. I wouldn't. |
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| 12:00.20 | scraiht | if you want your log rotated at 50k you configure "size 50k" in the config file for that log |
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| 12:00.55 | scraiht | but I do not think it will create 3 files if you rotate now the 186k one, it'll create one |
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| 12:02.22 | scraiht | size is only checked when logrotate runs, i.e. depends on the cron config |
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| 12:08.44 | Fox | hudo: logrotate stores the status of any logrotate config file wheb it's executed, if you don't specify ths file you'll use the default one, and it's not world writable, you'll get a permission denied |
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| 12:12.45 | uniqdom | Thanks FinalX. |
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| 12:15.03 | uniqdom | About debootstrap, I have always done chroot to the systems that I have installed. I wonder if you can boot directly to a system installed from debootstrap. |
| 12:15.54 | FinalX | no, you can't, because that's not a disk; plus you'd have to mount /proc /dev etc all in there, too.. it gets messy real fast |
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| 12:19.39 | n4dir | it can be on a disk, and you could install debian via debootstrap (some even do so). |
| 12:20.42 | FinalX | n4dir: talking about Digital Ocean VPS's here though :) |
| 12:20.47 | FinalX | bit harder to do |
| 12:20.48 | n4dir | ah, my fault. |
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| 12:29.20 | uniqdom | couldn't this guide be used? https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en |
| 12:29.27 | uniqdom | D.3.5. Install a Kernel |
| 12:29.31 | uniqdom | D.3.6. Set up the Boot Loader |
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| 13:02.15 | hudo | Fox, ayekat, got it , thank you |
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| 13:04.04 | muAdmDev | I altered the contens of /etc/php/7.0/fpm/conf.d (dir for additional .ini files), but the changes (adding and removing links) are not reflected in the output of phpinfo() |
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| 13:08.18 | abrotman | how are you running phpinfo? |
| 13:08.31 | tytan | Hello everyone, I'm doing some C programming on Debian 9 atm and I noticed a for (i = 0; i <= 1000000; i++) is faster than while (i <= 1000000) ... the binaries are the same size. Can you tell me why that is? I just used cc with no arguments and I'm on x86_64 |
| 13:08.31 | muAdmDev | ok, finally, asked just one minute too early :) |
| 13:09.55 | atsuko | is a dependency hell the sorta thing that just happens during dependency resolution that you need to work around somehow or the sorta thing that leaves your system broken and you have to fix it by purging stuff and whatnot? |
| 13:10.08 | atsuko | or is it both? |
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| 13:15.08 | spacedust | 356 updates :) lol yes i did break my system :) i added debian unstable repo to install wireguard |
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| 13:15.26 | spacedust | please make an exception and take wireguard out of unstable :) |
| 13:15.39 | Tom-_ | tytan, how do you know it's faster? |
| 13:15.48 | spacedust | but i think i installed other stuff from that repo too |
| 13:15.58 | tytan | Tom-_: I put "time" before executing the binary |
| 13:16.02 | spacedust | is there an easy way to visualize what you installed frmo what repo and see dependencies |
| 13:16.07 | spacedust | maybe fix it ? :) |
| 13:16.27 | dgp | tytan: disassemble it and see what the difference is |
| 13:16.32 | themill | spacedust: what did you mix? |
| 13:16.49 | tytan | dgp: I did with objdump -d and I see no difference |
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| 13:17.29 | spacedust | themill: the hell do i know ? :D |
| 13:17.35 | themill | you did it |
| 13:17.39 | spacedust | i did it :D |
| 13:17.46 | spacedust | i blew it :D |
| 13:17.57 | ksk | tytan: maybe a question for #c if there is one? does not sound debian specific to me |
| 13:18.06 | dgp | tytan: if the disassembly is the same then you are just getting different results |
| 13:18.17 | tytan | odd |
| 13:19.08 | dgp | if the instructions being run are the same then the binaries are essentially identical so it has to be something external to the binary |
| 13:19.44 | tytan | well it's not a big deal but I was curious why it is |
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| 13:23.28 | tytan | on my FreeBSD 11 setup they both run in identical times. I just go to #C to see if they know what's influencing the time. Thank you very much and have a nice day, everyone |
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| 13:26.24 | ksk | tytan: can you share your code? Im just curious and wanted to try it, but googleing "c for/while loop" and putting that into a programme I seem to have identical runtimes here. |
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| 13:27.52 | tytan | ksk give me a moment |
| 13:27.55 | ksk | sure :) |
| 13:27.58 | tytan | what's recommended? pastebin? |
| 13:28.10 | ksk | yeah. http://paste.debian.org |
| 13:28.14 | tytan | ok |
| 13:28.26 | FinalX | https://paste.debian.net/ |
| 13:28.28 | FinalX | rather |
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| 13:30.58 | ksk | yes indeed, my bad. |
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| 13:34.26 | tytan | ksk paste.debian.net/1042076/ paste.debian.net/1042078/ |
| 13:34.39 | ksk | thanks, Ill give it a try. |
| 13:34.43 | tytan | ksk I have no copy paste in my st terminal yet so I needed to type it |
| 13:34.54 | tytan | ksk no, I have to thank you for your effort and time |
| 13:34.55 | ksk | tytan: apt-cache show pastebinit |
| 13:35.18 | ksk | you can then "cat foo | pastebinit" and it shows up on paste.debian.net (or others, you can configure it) |
| 13:35.32 | tytan | nice 2 know |
| 13:36.55 | n4dir | i think pastebinit foo; is ok too. |
| 13:38.22 | ksk | tytan: I wrote you a private message to keep this channel clean. |
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| 13:38.37 | deadman36g | Having trouble with fstab automounting a sshfs share. mount -a works but the share is not mounting on boot. Would like some help |
| 13:39.34 | ksk | deadman36g: might be related to network not being available? Is using a systemd service a valid alternative for you? there you could depend on network being configured. |
| 13:40.10 | deadman36g | I am using _netdev in my fstab entry is that different? |
| 13:41.42 | ksk | I dont know about that, sorry. also man fstab does not seem to contain "netdev" |
| 13:41.44 | RoyK | deadman36g: that should help it wait for the network to activate before mounting it, so that's good |
| 13:42.10 | RoyK | ksk: add _netdev to the options column |
| 13:42.18 | RoyK | note the underscore |
| 13:42.49 | deadman36g | my entire entry is 'deadman36g@192.168.1.142:/Users/deadman36g /srv/mac fuse.sshfs defaults,reconnect,ServerAliveInterval=15,ServerAliveCountMax=3,user,idmap=user,_netdev 0 0' |
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| 13:48.23 | ksk | deadman36g: just a guess: nothing to see in syslog? |
| 13:48.55 | ksk | also, /srv/mac is available at the time it wants to mount it? |
| 13:49.08 | ksk | s/wants/should/ |
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| 13:51.49 | deadman36g | yes /srv/mac is the folder I created especially for mounting |
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| 13:51.56 | deadman36g | syslog I see Sep 13 08:45:45 openmediavault-test-machine systemd[1]: srv-feral.mount: Mount process exited, code=exited status=1 |
| 13:51.56 | deadman36g | Sep 13 08:45:45 openmediavault-test-machine systemd[1]: srv-feral.mount: Unit entered failed state. |
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| 13:59.03 | deadman36g | is this helpful in troubleshooting? |
| 13:59.05 | deadman36g | root@openmediavault-test-machine:/srv/feral# systemctl status srv-feral.mount |
| 13:59.06 | deadman36g | Warning: srv-feral.mount changed on disk. Run 'systemctl daemon-reload' to reload units. |
| 13:59.06 | deadman36g | â srv-feral.mount - /srv/feral |
| 13:59.06 | deadman36g | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:59.56 | deadman36g | sorry for the flood, but is this helpful https://pastebin.com/raw/xzgCzzYT |
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| 14:07.52 | queip | interesting |
| 14:08.00 | queip | according to package "bmon", my network card is handling |
| 14:08.08 | queip | 120 Potassium packets per second |
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| 14:09.12 | RoyK | I didn't know you could transfer potassium over ethernet ;) |
| 14:09.25 | queip | RoyK: that is strange indeed |
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| 14:27.18 | eugenmayer | how to find out if stretch supports https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/3991 ? |
| 14:27.32 | greycat | ... by installing stretch and trying it? |
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| 14:28.39 | themill | Considering the code was merged after stretch was released, unlikely. systemd is in stretch-backports though |
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| 14:30.40 | jelly | oh wow, if this continues systemd will have almost all the useful features of daemontools in a couple years |
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| 14:32.45 | greycat | stretch's systemd.exec(5) has StandardInput= but I don't see StandardInputFile= in the man page |
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| 14:43.43 | eugenmayer | greycat: well beside i did try that, i was more interested on how i would track this back with a debian release |
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| 14:44.22 | greycat | You could try reading the buster man page to see if the documentation says that it's in buster. Or you could install buster and actually test it. |
| 14:44.29 | eugenmayer | themill: beside you have in mind the release dates, this might be not accurate if it was not this case. Is there any way to track back from a .deb package which commit it has been build in regularly ? |
| 14:44.34 | eugenmayer | (its just an interest question) |
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| 14:45.20 | greycat | The package's version number will typically tell you this, as far as you are ever going to get with a simple casual inspection. |
| 14:45.21 | themill | packages are normally built on release tarballs, so you see if that commit is in the tarball |
| 14:45.26 | eugenmayer | greycat: such a feature not described in the man page does not mean it does not exist i would say |
| 14:45.35 | greycat | Then try it and see. |
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| 14:46.02 | eugenmayer | how would i know which release tarball has been used for systemd? |
| 14:46.08 | greycat | ,v systemd |
| 14:46.09 | judd | Package: systemd on amd64 -- wheezy: 44-11+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 44-11+deb7u5; jessie: 215-17+deb8u7; jessie-backports: 230-7~bpo8+2; stretch: 232-25+deb9u2; stretch-proposed-updates: 232-25+deb9u3; stretch-updates: 232-25+deb9u3; stretch-backports: 237-3~bpo9+1; buster: 239-8; sid: 239-9 |
| 14:46.15 | greycat | stretch: 232-25+deb9u2 |
| 14:46.22 | eugenmayer | if i start here ? https://packages.debian.org/de/stretch/systemd |
| 14:46.26 | greycat | systemd upstream version 232 |
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| 14:47.12 | eugenmayer | ok, upstream 232. sorry not sure what this is for now. Is this systemd upstream 2.3.2 or is this -dev232? what do i look for as a reference for that? |
| 14:47.30 | greycat | systemd version number 232 |
| 14:48.00 | greycat | https://github.com/systemd/systemd/releases |
| 14:48.04 | eugenmayer | ok in the case of https://github.com/systemd/systemd its tagged and i know its at least mirrored on github |
| 14:48.22 | eugenmayer | in general, how would i know what debian has been build from, at least which source SCM? |
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| 14:49.22 | greycat | by LOOKING AT THE VERSION NUMBER |
| 14:49.25 | greycat | ,v bash |
| 14:49.26 | judd | Package: bash on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u4; jessie: 4.3-11+deb8u1; stretch: 4.4-5; buster: 4.4.18-3.1; sid: 4.4.18-3.1; experimental: 5.0~alpha1-1 |
| 14:49.31 | greycat | stretch: 4.4-5 |
| 14:49.32 | LtL | I have stretch systemd version 232-25+deb9u4 but it's not listed as such in the factoid. |
| 14:49.40 | eugenmayer | ok so maybe a better starting point would be https://packages.debian.org/source/stretch/systemd |
| 14:49.42 | greycat | upstream version number 4.4 debian packaging number 5 |
| 14:49.54 | eugenmayer | so the source, here i find shttp://http.debian.net/debian/pool/main/s/systemd/systemd_232.orig.tar.gz |
| 14:50.10 | greycat | LtL: judd's database may be out of sync |
| 14:50.23 | eugenmayer | which leads me to https://salsa.debian.org/systemd-team/systemd |
| 14:50.28 | LtL | greycat: thanks |
| 14:51.01 | eugenmayer | ok and here i can check for the build number, compare commit hashes and match against the history. Ok so debian sources seem to be the best guess |
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| 14:51.18 | eugenmayer | is it generally true that all debian builds are based on an scm mirror at https://salsa.debian.org ? |
| 14:51.22 | eugenmayer | or is it case by case? |
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| 14:51.46 | greycat | The copyright file in /usr/share/doc/PKGNAME/copyright tells you where the upstream source came from/ |
| 14:52.06 | greycat | in the case of /usr/share/doc/systemd/copyright it says Source: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/ |
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| 14:52.32 | eugenmayer | ah thanks, greycat |
| 14:52.43 | eugenmayer | so the ultimate source is in the copyrights, makes sense |
| 14:53.06 | eugenmayer | ok i think i got it. Thank your for outlining the way to track this down |
| 14:53.27 | themill | has no idea what the question was having gone around that circle |
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| 14:56.40 | eugenmayer | themill: basically finding an commit / feature implemented in a upstream project and backtracking if it is included in the specific package of <debian-release> |
| 14:57.45 | themill | Looking in the copyright file isn't going to tell you that. You'd look in the source package. |
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| 14:58.16 | eugenmayer | in this case, if the current systemd https://packages.debian.org/source/stretch/systemd includes https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/3991 .. finding out that its a v323 is the reference release and then check if that pr has been merged before or after it |
| 14:58.47 | greycat | the copyright file tells where the source package came from, because apparently he is not willing to trust the man pages AND he's not willing to install the release in question AND he's not willing to just do "apt-get source systemd" |
| 14:58.54 | eugenmayer | github does not really offer tooling for "commit included in this tag" but i guess we all have our local tools for that |
| 14:59.21 | eugenmayer | greycat: your aggressiveness is at least to say "uncommon" |
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| 15:00.12 | greycat | your stubbornness and density are sadly common |
| 15:00.23 | eugenmayer | wow. |
| 15:01.35 | themill | eugenmayer: if you have a tarball you can't find out if a git commit is included in it except by looking at the code that the commit would add |
| 15:02.12 | eugenmayer | themill: sure. But the source page includes the source SCM for that tarball and the name the reference tag, leads to the commit |
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| 15:02.21 | greycat | If you want to see the actual code of systemd used in stretch, the EASIEST way is to install stretch, make sure you have a deb-src line (which the installer adds by default), and run "apt-get source systemd" somewhere writable. |
| 15:02.35 | eugenmayer | themill: so i would admit that going the debain source page route is the most effective one |
| 15:02.50 | eugenmayer | greycat: stop it. Go play. or in your words, GO PLAY |
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| 15:03.03 | eugenmayer | do some sports, relaxe. Come back. |
| 15:03.06 | greycat | Stop what? Telling you how to get the answers you asked for? |
| 15:03.21 | greycat | That advice was on topic and polite. |
| 15:03.48 | greycat | But you're trolling, because you are not actually using Debian, so the advice that requires you to install Debian first is perceived as aggression. |
| 15:04.17 | eugenmayer | You should read from time to time what people write greycat. you would have known, that i already tried and confirmed its not working. You would have imagined that i digged out the source page way myself. Beside you insist i neither tried it nor insist that i did not actually accept the way using apt source. |
| 15:04.34 | eugenmayer | You are simply raging and i ask you to stop it. Thank you very much sir. |
| 15:04.50 | eugenmayer | Ah you know even know what i am using or not :) |
| 15:06.27 | eugenmayer | this would explain all those odd repos as https://github.com/EugenMayer/packer-vagrant/tree/master/debian .. https://github.com/EugenMayer/chef-shorewall_ng ⦠https://github.com/EugenMayer/chef-tinc-cookbook .. https://github.com/EugenMayer/chef-oh_my_zsh .. yeah but why do i even answer. |
| 15:07.29 | themill | So, how about that cycling race... |
| 15:07.46 | annadane | not interesting, everyone's doping |
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| 15:33.08 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 15:33.09 | dpkg | <goccia> anyway : what it is most important to me is getting three times in a row a y/n question doing the libc6 install-dance and watching a stopping starting done daemon sequence ending in perfection: whoever has done this, i mean a three questions in a row, well is a great person |
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| 15:36.56 | annadane | i... what |
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| 15:37.34 | greycat | annadane: that's my reaction to basically everything that everyone says in IRC, all day long. :( |
| 15:38.24 | greycat | "Is this thing in stretch?" "Man page says no" "I don't trust the man page ..." |
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| 15:43.52 | eugenmayer | trying to solve a little myth here: In debian stretch without resolvconf installed this sequence should not propage the `dns-nameservers` settings from /etc/network/interfaces ( or interfaces.d/<> ) to /etc/resolv.conf right? : ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 && invoke-rc.d networking force-reload |
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| 15:45.29 | eugenmayer | i have written an ncurses client to provision a debian box with then network settings and other things which runs on first login, but somehow, i have boxes which worked sucking up that setting into /etc/resolv.conf eventhough i simply made a mistake and forgetting about resolvconf .. did that change with stretch or are there cases where `dns-nameservers` is picked up by the core scripts? |
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| 15:46.52 | eugenmayer | i expect it should have just not worked consistently and thats it. Thats why its a myth, it worked on about 20 boxes .. then suddenly the next 3 broke in a series as expected |
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| 17:07.30 | antto | am i the only one who has to "add custom display resolution auto-start script" so often? :~( |
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| 17:08.12 | greycat | Why would you need this, and why would you need to do it more than once? |
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| 17:08.52 | antto | i guess it's bad luck |
| 17:09.51 | antto | monitors+videocard combinations which don't wanna talk to each other, so debian has no idea what resolutions to offer |
| 17:10.11 | antto | and it offers some low "safe" option only |
| 17:10.14 | greycat | That sounds like defective hardware to me. |
| 17:10.28 | antto | usually old computers |
| 17:10.41 | BCMM | was gonna say, that used to be the norm like 20 years ago |
| 17:10.46 | BCMM | on the other hand, monitor firmware updates are a thing now |
| 17:10.53 | BCMM | due to monitors being way too complex |
| 17:11.03 | BCMM | maybe check if there's one for you |
| 17:11.29 | antto | the one today was some huge and heavy HP "workstation" with a fancy video port, where you plug a splitter cable that gives you two VGA ports |
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| 17:12.35 | trysten | i'm doing automatd install with d-i. I specified /dev/sda as the install disk but sometimes it detects the usb drive it's installing from as /dev/sda and the disk I intend to install to as /dev/sdb |
| 17:12.40 | antto | xrandr recognizes it as DVI, yet the splitter gives VGA |
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| 17:19.51 | BCMM | antto: is the fancy port dual-link DVI? |
| 17:20.33 | BCMM | Dual Link DVI-I can run two VGA monitors with just a dumb splitter cable |
| 17:20.50 | antto | the port on the computer looks similar to DVI, (has a ton of pins), and then the splitter cable we got gives two VGAs |
| 17:21.00 | antto | yeah, i guess something like that |
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| 17:21.11 | damarusama | hi there, I'm running debian |
| 17:21.24 | damarusama | trying to create a service |
| 17:21.34 | BCMM | antto: you can send the exact same VGA signals over DVI or D-SUB connectors |
| 17:21.58 | damarusama | https://pastebin.com/prriyehk |
| 17:22.03 | damarusama | that's the file I created |
| 17:22.35 | damarusama | https://pastebin.com/5fQEudL7 |
| 17:22.43 | damarusama | that's the status I'm getting when trying to run it |
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| 17:24.21 | damarusama | and I see my error |
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| 17:33.15 | sambagirl | does debian work well with compiz fusion and mate today? |
| 17:34.37 | diogenes_ | sambagirl, should |
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| 17:34.54 | sambagirl | thanks diogenes |
| 17:35.06 | jelly | does "compiz fusion" still exist? |
| 17:35.08 | Brigo | sambagirl, with mate definetively. |
| 17:35.24 | sambagirl | thanks brigo |
| 17:35.37 | sambagirl | just testing stuff out |
| 17:35.39 | sambagirl | thanks |
| 17:37.09 | elios | I got this error lately "libavcodec-extra57 : Conflicts: libavcodec57 but 7:3.2.12-1~deb9u1 is to be installed". Any idea how to resolve this? |
| 17:37.20 | sambagirl | yes it does jelly |
| 17:38.25 | elios | ...when i try to update/upgrade. |
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| 17:40.55 | annadane | hmm i may try mate again |
| 17:40.59 | jelly | !bat |
| 17:40.59 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 17:41.01 | annadane | i think i still prefer xfce in general |
| 17:41.30 | annadane | elios, follow !bat or just try it with aptitude, it can give you detailed information of what's holding stuff back |
| 17:41.31 | jelly | elios: ^ provide ALL the info, preferably in a single pastebin entry |
| 17:41.32 | diogenes_ | xfce rocks for ever :) |
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| 17:42.09 | elios | stable main(all 3 of em), apt update upgrade autoclean. |
| 17:42.16 | annadane | desktops are pretty much the same no matter how you slice it anyway |
| 17:43.02 | elios | stable main, updates main, stable-updates main. |
| 17:43.25 | elios | on 686-pae |
| 17:43.43 | annadane | i find aptitude usually solves problems faster than !bat |
| 17:43.53 | Tylertwo_ | After updating firefox on the stable debian distro, I no longer have audio (also, my ad blocker stopped working, but I was able to reinstall via the web). Any ideas on what to do? Currently running iceweasel 60.2.0esr-1~deb9u2 |
| 17:44.21 | elios | annadane: i don't have atitiude. |
| 17:44.30 | annadane | aptitud |
| 17:44.31 | annadane | e |
| 17:44.39 | elios | i don has |
| 17:44.41 | annadane | it can be installed |
| 17:45.01 | annadane | anyway, whatever, sorry, i'll let jelly take this |
| 17:45.39 | elios | i can't even update, also i don;t want to install attitude. |
| 17:46.04 | elios | !bat |
| 17:46.04 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 17:49.57 | jelly | it's too late, you seem to already have attitude installed |
| 17:50.00 | jelly | hides |
| 17:51.15 | annadane | bat also doesn't really give all the information, i find it's better as a 2nd thing to try if it isn't clear from aptitude |
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| 17:53.03 | elios | apt remove solved it. |
| 17:53.17 | jelly | annadane: there's also the little issue of: if you have an inconsistent apt state you can't install anything, including aptitude |
| 17:53.18 | annadane | the only problem with aptitude is you specifically need to tell people "don't press y yet to accept its solution" which gets tiring |
| 17:53.24 | annadane | yeah, obviously |
| 17:55.23 | elios | $apt remove libavcodec57 |
| 17:55.47 | elios | just remove this crap. problem solved. |
| 17:57.09 | annadane | sure, depending on your use case ... |
| 17:57.32 | greycat | I'm guessing "he used deb-multimedia". |
| 17:57.44 | jelly | we may never know (or care) |
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| 17:59.37 | elios | if you can read further up than 10 lines greycat, you clearly can see that i did not. |
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| 18:01.37 | greycat | does a "/lastlog elios" and sees no URLs in which you provided the !bat information, so no, I cannot see that. Clearly or otherwise. |
| 18:02.02 | greycat | I see only a vague report of a problem involving a package that is involved in multimedia stuff. |
| 18:02.07 | elios | >>> stable main, updates main, stable-updates main. |
| 18:02.16 | greycat | noise. |
| 18:02.30 | elios | that's what i got in my apt/sources.list |
| 18:02.33 | annadane | also the package name is called APTITUDE. |
| 18:02.36 | annadane | let's get that established. |
| 18:02.41 | annadane | not "attitude". |
| 18:02.49 | annadane | storms off |
| 18:02.59 | elios | i don't have that package i already told you two times now |
| 18:03.05 | annadane | yes, i can read |
| 18:03.16 | elios | not sure tbh |
| 18:03.20 | greycat | That's fine, but that doesn't excuse your refusal to provide the information which was requested. |
| 18:03.30 | annadane | stop being rude in support channels |
| 18:03.31 | elios | what is this freakshow anyways? |
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| 18:14.57 | jelly | what's the point of a support channel if we quiet the only person asking for support, be they unwilling to provide complete info, or not |
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| 18:16.15 | greycat | What's the point of asking for "support" if you're just going to refuse to provide any information, and then insult everyone who tries to help you? |
| 18:16.49 | greycat | He did cover two of the points on https://wooledge.org/~greg/forms-of-insanity.html though. |
| 18:17.31 | jelly | elios: next time, be precise and complete. |
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| 19:20.58 | bkeys | Could someone please post me an example sources.list so I can update to Debian Jessie |
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| 19:21.22 | greycat | !jessie sources.list |
| 19:21.22 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 19:24.44 | petn-randall | bkeys: What are you updating from? |
| 19:24.45 | jelly | bkeys: you can only update to jessie from jessie (or wheezy, but then you REALLY want to read jessie release notes first) |
| 19:25.03 | bkeys | It's devuan Jessie |
| 19:25.12 | greycat | ... |
| 19:25.20 | jelly | devuan is a derivative distro, they probably have different sources |
| 19:25.23 | bkeys | It's the only image that would work on this chromebook |
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| 19:25.37 | jelly | best ask in #devuan I guess |
| 19:25.45 | bkeys | How to migrate to Debian? |
| 19:25.55 | jelly | reinstall |
| 19:26.20 | jelly | I don't know of a simple and reliable way to migrate in place. |
| 19:26.44 | greycat | "The HP Chromebook 14 comes with Coreboot, a Free Software BIOS replacement, preinstalled.1 For security reasons the factory default settings of Coreboot allow you to run Google-signed images only. To install Debian (or any other non-Google-signed OS) you have to put your Chromebook into developer mode and enable boot from USB and boot legacy OSes first." |
| 19:26.57 | bkeys | This is the c201, I installed libreboot on it |
| 19:26.58 | jelly | there are differences in builds and dependencies that will probably bite you in the ass |
| 19:27.01 | bkeys | Asus c201 |
| 19:27.03 | petn-randall | I agree. "crossgrading" has not been tested, and chances are it'll fail and you'll have to reinstall, anyway. |
| 19:27.24 | greycat | It's ARM?! |
| 19:27.29 | bkeys | Yep |
| 19:27.31 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/C201 |
| 19:27.37 | jelly | you are however welcome to try installing starting from any linux, using the debootstrap method |
| 19:27.48 | bkeys | greycat: Tried that, won't work |
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| 19:30.35 | usney | hello ardian |
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| 19:37.43 | n4dir | do i remember that correct: with backports enabled the command "apt-cache policy pkgname" would show a possible version in backports? |
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| 19:45.44 | bites | yes, all of the versions it has indexed. |
| 19:45.59 | n4dir | k, thanks. |
| 19:46.49 | usney | retro |
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| 20:48.59 | n4dir | !ssb |
| 20:49.42 | greycat | dpkg, simple sid backport |
| 20:49.42 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 20:50.02 | greycat | wonders why it didn't trigger... |
| 20:50.23 | n4dir | doing /msg dpkg <whatever> ; doesn't work for me. wonders too ... |
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| 20:56.50 | n4dir | dpkg, uupdate |
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| 21:04.35 | Noldorin | md0 : active raid1 sdb1[2](S) sda1[0] |
| 21:04.41 | Noldorin | does that look like a correct raid1 setup? |
| 21:05.32 | at0m | dpkg: are you a bot |
| 21:05.32 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 21:06.31 | at0m | n4dir: works for me, /msg too. maybe dpkg put you on /ignore =) |
| 21:07.11 | n4dir | maybe, but i wouldn't know why. will just wait a few days. thanks. |
| 21:07.20 | at0m | that includes /msg dpkg ssb |
| 21:07.23 | at0m | ok |
| 21:09.30 | n4dir | well: if you are able to help me find the reason, it would be great. But i don't know enough about the internals of irc or bots. It worked well, and stopped working yesterday (no upgrades, no changes in irc-client, etc) |
| 21:10.20 | at0m | n4dir: dpkg doesn't know what client you're on, it just listens to messages here and in query. |
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| 21:11.24 | n4dir | got you. just saying that no changes happened on my side (i did register and identify at oftc, but that doesn't seem to relate at all) |
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| 21:14.45 | at0m | n4dir: from /msg dpkg bots: "Most bots are also in #debian-bots if you can't use /msg to talk to them." or maybe ask in #debian-offtopic, some folks there who know more about these bots |
| 21:14.45 | annadane | dselect, are you a bot |
| 21:14.45 | dselect | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 21:14.52 | annadane | can use that too i guess |
| 21:15.02 | annadane | or search the factoids on the website |
| 21:15.10 | annadane | dselect, search dpkg |
| 21:15.11 | dselect | You can search my database on the web at http://ircbots.debian.net/ or on IRC by asking me about <help listkeys> and <help-listvals>. My factoids are available at https://dpkg.donarmstrong.com/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are there. See also <search>. |
| 21:16.18 | n4dir | at0m: i will ask in #debian-bots, thanks for that tip. Found a workaround too: #debian-next. |
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| 21:22.40 | Kelsar | Noldorin: no, it does not |
| 21:23.03 | Noldorin | Kelsar, eek. how can I fix it? |
| 21:23.11 | Noldorin | the resync seemed to be running fine before |
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| 21:24.11 | Kelsar | i can't look it up right now, but looks like it treats sdb1 as spare |
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| 21:25.35 | Noldorin | hrmm |
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| 21:37.33 | Noldorin | SerajewelKS, any ideas? :) |
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| 22:38.43 | hesco | with grub2, is there a convenient way to list from the cli, without a reboot, the available boot options? I'm trying to sort out which index to assign to GRUB_DEFAULT=, in /etc/default/grub. |
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| 22:43.31 | dirac1 | I think my server hdd is dying https://ptpb.pw/s7yO |
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| 22:52.52 | hesco | dirac1: could just be a disk controller. or if built-in the mobo, perhaps. |
| 22:53.07 | dirac1 | mobo? |
| 22:53.57 | dirac1 | It is an old disk.. used to have a bunch of broken sectors, but now.. is like dying I don't know o.o |
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| 22:54.08 | snooky | debian only? |
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| 22:55.54 | hesco | snooky: I would support, given the name of this channel. But debian is not much different from any other linux distro, particularly the debian-derived side of the family. |
| 22:56.09 | snooky | raspbian? |
| 22:56.17 | snooky | i cant really good sepak english. sorry |
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| 22:57.18 | hesco | dirac1: mobo = mother board. If you have seen bad sectors in the past you want to go ahead and salvage whatever data you can and swap out that drive with a new one. Storage has gotten relatively affordable over the years, far cheaper than lost data. |
| 22:57.42 | snooky | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.50 | dirac1 | New acronym to learn. Yeah well :( I'll have to let it die.. |
| 22:57.51 | hesco | snooky: yes, raspbian is a derivative of debian. ask away |
| 22:57.55 | snooky | sorry for my bad english. i hope you understand google translate |
| 22:58.48 | hesco | snooky: man dist-upgrade |
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| 23:00.08 | snooky | it's about the program lirc. how do i get installed for jessie on stretch? |
| 23:02.03 | snooky | it's about the program lirc. how do i get lirc installed on stretch for jessie? |
| 23:02.05 | snooky | sorry, so |
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| 23:11.21 | jezebel | what's stable-sec? |
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| 23:15.39 | jezebel | hmmm my tabs in firefox look different after this update |
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| 23:27.11 | themill | yes, it's a new version of firefox-esr |
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| 23:30.06 | themill | !firefox stretch |
| 23:30.06 | dpkg | Debian 9 "Stretch" currently contains the extended support release version Firefox 60 in <stretch/updates>. Originally, stretch contained the previous ESR release (52) but support for v52 was dropped in accordance with the Mozilla support schedule (1361) and so 60esr is now in stretch. Ask me about <firefox-esr> <stretch/updates>. |
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