| 00:00.05 | sloppuu | what am i doing wrong here? |
| 00:00.34 | nyov | what gfx card drivers? radeon/fglrx? |
| 00:01.02 | sloppuu | R5 340 |
| 00:01.10 | sloppuu | 15.302 |
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| 00:01.37 | nyov | thats too new for me. would be amdgpu, or not? |
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| 00:02.24 | sloppuu | AMD fglrx 15.302 |
| 00:02.28 | nyov | what AMD drivers did you install? from source of amd website? |
| 00:02.34 | sloppuu | yes |
| 00:02.40 | Kelsar | fglrx, wow those are old |
| 00:02.44 | nyov | fglrx is gone. I thought |
| 00:03.23 | sloppuu | its brand new |
| 00:03.31 | sloppuu | i just downloaded them |
| 00:03.46 | sloppuu | like this is a brand new build with an Ryzen 5 |
| 00:03.47 | Kelsar | just because you downloaded something, they are not new |
| 00:03.54 | nyov | hm, can you paste the output of `lspci -nn | grep 01:00.0` ? |
| 00:04.06 | Kelsar | you want either radeon or amdgpu, not sure. but i am sure fglrx won't work |
| 00:04.51 | sloppuu | okay, ill look for those |
| 00:04.54 | sloppuu | thank you |
| 00:05.11 | nyov | please give output of `lspci -nn | grep 01:00.0` ? |
| 00:05.54 | sloppuu | 01:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [10ec:8168] (rev 0c) |
| 00:06.14 | nyov | oh wait thats wrong of me. err |
| 00:06.41 | nyov | need the HW id of that card |
| 00:07.06 | nyov | lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 00:07.06 | nyov | ? |
| 00:07.29 | sloppuu | 09:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Oland [Radeon HD 8570 / R7 240/340 OEM] [1002:6611] |
| 00:07.44 | nyov | thanks |
| 00:08.16 | sloppuu | wow i downloaded the wrong driver |
| 00:08.41 | nyov | don't get one from the AMD site anyway |
| 00:08.49 | nyov | you need amdgpu |
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| 00:09.27 | nyov | apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu |
| 00:10.36 | nyov | though I'm still on fglrx so I'm not sure if there wasn't a nonfree firmware on-top of amdgpu? anyone? |
| 00:10.52 | sloppuu | xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu is already the newest version (1.2.0-1+b1). |
| 00:10.59 | nyov | good good |
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| 00:11.34 | nyov | but xrandr doesn't detect any screens? |
| 00:12.08 | sloppuu | "failed to get size of gamma for output default" |
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| 00:14.18 | nyov | can't believe I can't remember that bot with the hardware info |
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| 00:14.29 | nyov | I've been away too long.. |
| 00:18.02 | nyov | ,pciid 1002:6611 |
| 00:18.03 | judd | [1002:6611] is 'Oland [Radeon HD 8570 / R7 240/340 OEM]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:6611 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 00:18.13 | nyov | there it was |
| 00:19.06 | nyov | radeon. huh |
| 00:19.16 | nyov | apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 00:19.49 | sloppuu | xserver-xorg-video-radeon is already the newest version (1:7.8.0-1+b1). |
| 00:19.57 | nyov | nice. |
| 00:20.16 | nyov | dmesg | grep -E 'drm|radeon' | grep -iE 'firmware|microcode' |
| 00:20.27 | nyov | any output? |
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| 00:21.13 | nyov | just to be sure you can also |
| 00:21.19 | nyov | apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 00:21.26 | nyov | but likely have that also already |
| 00:21.48 | sloppuu | E: Unable to locate package firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 00:22.00 | sloppuu | no output from the previous command |
| 00:22.39 | nyov | okay, you need to add non-free to your apt sources.list |
| 00:22.58 | nyov | do you have a file /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 00:23.15 | sloppuu | yes |
| 00:23.27 | nyov | or it should be in /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
| 00:23.46 | nyov | find any 'deb' lines and make sure they end in "main contrib non-free" |
| 00:24.10 | nyov | then "apt-get update" and try that nonfree firmware again |
| 00:24.34 | nyov | it might be your card is just missing some binary blobs |
| 00:25.38 | sloppuu | i have two ending in "main" |
| 00:25.50 | sloppuu | should i make them main contrib nonfree? |
| 00:26.38 | nyov | yes |
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| 00:27.09 | nyov | that enables downloading the 'nonfree' stuff that isn't free software, and thus not officially supported by debian |
| 00:27.21 | nyov | but packaged for convenience |
| 00:27.32 | sloppuu | okay sweet. i did that and ran apt-get update |
| 00:28.09 | nyov | ok. now see if that firmware will install now |
| 00:28.19 | nyov | apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 00:29.19 | sloppuu | Unable to locate package fimrware-linux-nonfree |
| 00:29.22 | sloppuu | ..... |
| 00:29.32 | nyov | did I misspell that? hm |
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| 00:30.01 | EdePopede | fimr <-> firm |
| 00:30.02 | nyov | what did those two lines in the sources.list actually read? |
| 00:30.11 | nyov | oh Thanks! |
| 00:30.29 | nyov | apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 00:30.40 | sloppuu | deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main contrib nonfree |
| 00:30.41 | sloppuu | deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main contrib |
| 00:30.43 | sloppuu | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib nonfree |
| 00:30.45 | sloppuu | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch main |
| 00:30.47 | sloppuu | y |
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| 00:31.06 | nyov | ah yeah. paste is bad |
| 00:31.19 | sloppuu | lol yeah |
| 00:32.27 | nyov | ok, my readme says having the -ati package installed helps autoconfig. so your install line should read: |
| 00:32.30 | nyov | apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 00:33.17 | sloppuu | it still says it can't locate package firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 00:33.31 | nyov | seriously! |
| 00:33.35 | nyov | huh |
| 00:34.46 | nyov | what does this say: dpkg-query -l firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 00:35.13 | sloppuu | no packages found matching firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 00:35.34 | nyov | actually, scratch that. try dpkg-query -l 'firmware-*' |
| 00:35.46 | nyov | but wth |
| 00:35.55 | nyov | (dont paste it pls) |
| 00:36.13 | nyov | did that `apt-get update` earlier actually succed? |
| 00:36.36 | nyov | perhaps run it again |
| 00:36.57 | sloppuu | the dpkg line gave 3 rows of none |
| 00:37.01 | EdePopede | sloppuu: you're on 9.5? |
| 00:37.18 | sloppuu | the update worked |
| 00:37.28 | sloppuu | im 9.5 |
| 00:37.45 | nyov | apt-get install firmware-amd-graphics |
| 00:38.01 | EdePopede | dpkg gives me: un firmware-amd-graphics // un firmware-crystalhd // ii firmware-linux-free 3-5 -- (and i only added some packages i can't live without so far) |
| 00:38.02 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, EdePopede |
| 00:38.02 | nyov | i just saw i have that one, and it looks to have all the radeon blobs |
| 00:38.10 | EdePopede | \o/ |
| 00:38.40 | nyov | EdePopede: you have an amdgpu also? |
| 00:38.47 | sloppuu | firmware-amd-graphics is not available but is referenced |
| 00:38.57 | nyov | now the plot thickens |
| 00:38.57 | sloppuu | no installation canidate |
| 00:39.06 | EdePopede | argh... it was 3.4.. and no, nyov, i used to :( have to live with nvidia now |
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| 00:39.28 | sloppuu | i shouldv'e just installed gentoo |
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| 00:40.24 | nyov | try adding some more sources to your list, from different locales |
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| 00:40.48 | nyov | e.g. deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian stretch main contrib non-free |
| 00:40.58 | nyov | or something closer to you |
| 00:41.24 | nyov | could be a ftp server hickup. though strange it would be |
| 00:41.55 | nyov | what's your system arch? |
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| 00:42.03 | sloppuu | wait, i had "nonfree" not "non-free", changed it, ran apt-get update and now it's really updating.... |
| 00:42.11 | nyov | you DO have an "amd64" or not? |
| 00:42.15 | nyov | ah, finally |
| 00:42.43 | sloppuu | and now it installed the amd graphics line |
| 00:42.44 | nyov | ok, then get 'firmware-linux-nonfree' which should pull the other stuff all in |
| 00:43.07 | nyov | then nothing can be missing |
| 00:43.11 | nyov | whew |
| 00:43.23 | sloppuu | wew indeed |
| 00:43.27 | sloppuu | thank god |
| 00:43.34 | nyov | now the hard part. you need to shutdown X server, unload radeon, restart X |
| 00:43.46 | nyov | or maybe just reboot, if easier |
| 00:44.02 | sloppuu | yeah lemmee reboot. thanks |
| 00:44.09 | nyov | then we'll see if it found itself soem firmware |
| 00:44.39 | nyov | on gentoo would have taken a week to get right, btw. xD |
| 00:45.36 | nyov | that I didn't see that typo in the line earlier, myself. ouch |
| 00:47.14 | Kelsar | nyov: no, gentoo would have been easier in that case |
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| 00:47.27 | nyov | yeah, I was just throwing a dig ;) |
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| 00:48.32 | nyov | I much love gentoo and arch for their useful wikis btw. |
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| 00:48.47 | nyov | debian's is only occasionally useful |
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| 00:51.04 | dario1 | it worked. thank you guys~! |
| 00:51.18 | nyov | let's do a performance check? |
| 00:51.23 | nyov | glxinfo | grep rendering |
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| 00:52.06 | nyov | does it say direct rendering: Yes |
| 00:52.09 | dario1 | yes |
| 00:52.22 | nyov | ok, fps you can get with |
| 00:52.23 | nyov | glxgears -info |
| 00:52.39 | nyov | should output nice big numbers for fps |
| 00:52.54 | dario1 | 72 |
| 00:53.07 | dario1 | settled at around 60 |
| 00:53.14 | nyov | hm. probably v-synced. but good anyway |
| 00:53.35 | nyov | yeah I think you're good now |
| 00:53.53 | dario1 | awesome. thanks again! |
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| 00:53.57 | nyov | have fun |
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| 00:59.31 | holycow | hey guys |
| 00:59.36 | nyov | holy cow |
| 00:59.39 | nyov | hey |
| 00:59.53 | holycow | i just applied the latest debian 9 updates and conkeror web browser stopped working |
| 01:00.01 | holycow | anyon else experience the same? |
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| 01:00.15 | nyov | stopped working how? |
| 01:00.19 | holycow | this is the second machine i have seen this one, the first one i thought i messed something up |
| 01:00.50 | holycow | errors out on two javascript ... scripts? / modules? ... whereas it was working fine before the udpates |
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| 01:01.25 | holycow | other distros seem to have a solution to it, but it involves installing palemoon and i don't want to track a palemoon package down for debian ... seems like a silly fix anyway. |
| 01:01.33 | holycow | silly workaround really |
| 01:01.42 | nyov | you mean it starts, and does something? |
| 01:02.08 | holycow | no command line throws errors in the terminal, otherwise doesn't start at all |
| 01:02.11 | nyov | not a working solution |
| 01:02.55 | nyov | what version is it you have? dpkg-query -l 'conkeror' |
| 01:03.14 | nyov | oh debian 9 you said |
| 01:03.19 | holycow | 1.0.3 |
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| 01:04.06 | nyov | can you try downgrading it back? or is the older version no longer available |
| 01:04.28 | nyov | that's the first thing I'd try |
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| 01:05.36 | holycow | not really possible, it is dependent on firefox to actually run as xulrunner is no longer suported |
| 01:05.46 | holycow | would have to downgrade a bunch of things |
| 01:05.59 | nyov | well you didn't upgrade from jessie, or did you? |
| 01:06.19 | holycow | no no, it was debian 9 all along |
| 01:06.22 | holycow | it was working fine |
| 01:06.27 | nyov | current version says 1.0.3+git170123-1 |
| 01:06.34 | nyov | so an older package. hmm |
| 01:06.35 | holycow | it just the latest updated to debian 9 that seem to have broken conkeror compatibility |
| 01:06.41 | nyov | try 1.0.3+git171024-1 |
| 01:06.47 | nyov | https://snapshot.debian.org/binary/conkeror/ |
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| 01:07.15 | nyov | https://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian-ports/20171025T070426Z/pool/main/c/conkeror/conkeror_1.0.3%2Bgit171024-1_all.deb |
| 01:07.16 | holycow | fair point actually, i did not actually notice the minor release point change |
| 01:07.27 | nyov | try dpkg -i that package |
| 01:07.35 | nyov | and hope it doesn't break any deps |
| 01:08.09 | nyov | yeah. sadly if you clean your apt cache you usually can't go back to these previous versions |
| 01:08.12 | nyov | they disappear |
| 01:08.19 | holycow | yeah |
| 01:08.33 | holycow | i mean i guess i can use firefox or whatnot for now. |
| 01:08.37 | nyov | so thank the deb gods for snashot,d.o |
| 01:09.23 | nyov | ok, don't want to try the downgrade. fair enouhg |
| 01:09.35 | nyov | *nuf |
| 01:10.21 | nyov | would be useful though to confirm a bug with the update, and file it |
| 01:10.37 | nyov | as I don't see one for that issue |
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| 01:11.19 | holycow | nyov: thank you kindly for the assistance. someone just confirmed that the problem is caused by upgrades pushing out firefox 60 |
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| 01:11.35 | nyov | ok |
| 01:11.38 | holycow | i will need to install palemoon browser instead in order to be able to fire up conkeror |
| 01:11.41 | holycow | ha! |
| 01:11.43 | holycow | i greatly appreciate it |
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| 01:12.03 | nyov | you could juwst downgrade the firefox package |
| 01:12.07 | nyov | (i would) |
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| 01:12.35 | nyov | i so love messing about with debians package cache ;D |
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| 01:27.17 | holycow | nyov: :) |
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| 01:28.33 | nyov | well it's true. |
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| 01:29.18 | nyov | I was so jacked after I just recently replaced the sources.list on 3 ubuntu servers with debian urls, and just cross-graded them |
| 01:29.25 | nyov | and they kept running |
| 01:29.29 | nyov | no issue :D |
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| 01:29.45 | jmaher | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.19 | nyov | it *used* to be called statusbar. back when it actually was a bar |
| 01:30.40 | nyov | are you saying they finally killed that hoverbar completely |
| 01:30.50 | nyov | jeeze luise |
| 01:31.04 | nyov | what is this world coming to |
| 01:31.16 | jmaher | nyov: other people say they still have it but mine doesn't now |
| 01:31.34 | EdePopede | jmaher: also looked at the right? when the link is on the bottom left, they move the url away |
| 01:31.59 | EdePopede | and it also could be JS preventing it (hail web 2.0) |
| 01:32.52 | nyov | there seems to be a hard-core way to restyle it back into being a statusbar: http://www.optimiced.com/en/2018/02/11/restore-status-bar-in-firefox-quantum/ |
| 01:33.05 | nyov | but that doesn't seem to be your issue |
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| 01:33.31 | jmaher | ok - it's still there - firefox is having some disagreement with my window manager about how much vertical space it has.... |
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| 01:33.59 | EdePopede | lower border out of sight? |
| 01:34.21 | jmaher | EdePopede: i did something at random at it seems happy now... |
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| 01:34.51 | EdePopede | happens here (xfce) also sometimes, that's why... |
| 01:34.52 | nyov | ah don't get me ranting on FF being random. haha |
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| 01:35.06 | sZbcE8qNfG_ | hello, can someone with NoScript installed go to google.com and tell me if the default setting for google.com is to trust? |
| 01:35.27 | jmaher | does anyone know how to get firefox to display the X to close the tabs, even if the tabs are very small.... |
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| 01:35.40 | jgkamat | sZbcE8qNfG: it is |
| 01:35.47 | sZbcE8qNfG_ | whew |
| 01:35.47 | jgkamat | there's a whitelist unfortunately |
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| 01:35.59 | nyov | my best issue is still when all right-click contextmenus and hover menus disappear... |
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| 01:36.59 | nyov | aren't the tabs in firefox alway a minimum width? unlike chromium? I don't have an issue finding the x there |
| 01:37.02 | EdePopede | nyov: by intervention of scripts? sometimes only C-l works to get out of its reach, not even C-k for the search box -.- |
| 01:37.38 | nyov | EdePopede: completely gone. not from scripts, because I run scriptless by default |
| 01:37.47 | nyov | only some sites get javascript love from me |
| 01:37.50 | jmaher | nyov: if I make lots of tabs, the X's eventually disappear except for the active tab, this also happens on chromium |
| 01:38.16 | nyov | jmaher: oh they are no longer shown, unless you hover over. true that |
| 01:38.44 | jmaher | nyov: i would really like to be able to kill the tabs with one click... |
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| 01:39.13 | nimbius | why is it when I copy the debian iso to a USB stick, the partition table shows dos in fdisk and mac in parted? |
| 01:39.24 | nimbius | why is no partition known for the data partition using either tool? |
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| 01:39.29 | EdePopede | "close tabs to the right"? |
| 01:39.35 | nyov | well I have an old version. actually I still run iceweasel so it might no longer be true. But I have an addon "classic theme restorer" |
| 01:39.41 | sZbcE8qNfG_ | i couldnve sworn google.com was not trusted by default |
| 01:40.05 | sZbcE8qNfG_ | did some update occur? |
| 01:40.07 | nyov | that does pretty much anything under the sun to configure tabs and -bars |
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| 01:40.23 | nyov | (and has super-nasty looking source code sadly) |
| 01:40.28 | nimbius | the lackluster partition structure of the USB disk prevents proper EFI installation on systems that actually adhere to the EFI standard. |
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| 01:41.07 | nyov | jmaher: it also allows to force-show the tab close buttons |
| 01:41.11 | nyov | I just checked |
| 01:41.26 | nyov | no idea if it's still available for latest firefox though |
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| 01:42.10 | jmaher | nyov: sorry - there are a lot of extensions with very similar names, would you mind pasting the exact name of the extension... |
| 01:42.22 | nyov | sure, give me a sec |
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| 01:42.31 | nyov | https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/classicthemerestorer/versions/ |
| 01:43.04 | nyov | oh wait thats the old versions only. click to the latest version |
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| 01:44.08 | nyov | Guess it doesn't work with FF60. haha they killed all XPCOM now? RIP |
| 01:44.31 | EdePopede | the X should appear even with an appropriate entry to userchrome.css (show not only on :hover) |
| 01:44.35 | holycow | yeah that is why conkeror stopped working as well |
| 01:45.15 | nyov | well they want to be so much like chrome, they couldn't stand having a superior UI framework |
| 01:45.24 | holycow | hahahaha! |
| 01:45.31 | holycow | oh man don't get me started on the mozilla foundation |
| 01:45.40 | holycow | they make all that cash and the best they can do is firefox |
| 01:46.24 | holycow | check this out: https://www.google.com/search?q=mozilla%20office%20locations&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t |
| 01:46.39 | nyov | idontclickgooglelinks |
| 01:46.40 | holycow | they rent in the MOST expensive places in the world |
| 01:46.49 | holycow | fair enough, you are right |
| 01:46.54 | sZbcE8qNfG_ | oh shit,d ont click it....its a trojan |
| 01:47.00 | sZbcE8qNfG_ | its a driveby trojan virus |
| 01:47.06 | nyov | but I know what you mean |
| 01:47.14 | sZbcE8qNfG_ | jk |
| 01:47.29 | nyov | we should start a campaign |
| 01:47.42 | nyov | I already have the slogan ready |
| 01:47.49 | nyov | "Take back the Web!" |
| 01:47.59 | holycow | mozilla as an organization needs to be destroyed |
| 01:48.18 | rant | pfft, bring back the bbs! |
| 01:48.18 | EdePopede | only web 2.0 plz, the old web was a good place |
| 01:48.19 | holycow | keep the devs, double their pay and move them somewhere cheap, warm and nice |
| 01:48.19 | rant | heh |
| 01:48.36 | holycow | bbs ftw! |
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| 01:48.54 | holycow | rant: i will order one l33t pls. |
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| 01:49.20 | rant | hehus |
| 01:49.25 | rant | only if all your base are belong to us |
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| 01:51.00 | EdePopede | btw, what is the best bet for old games? qemu? |
| 01:51.28 | holycow | what do you mean old games? |
| 01:51.40 | holycow | you wanting to run windows 98 with gpu passthrough? |
| 01:51.47 | holycow | which won't work |
| 01:51.57 | EdePopede | like might&magic, larry, wing commander... that kind |
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| 01:52.06 | nyov | EdePopede: depends what you call old |
| 01:52.07 | jgkamat | I use dosbox or wine |
| 01:52.13 | nyov | Amiga emulator? |
| 01:52.15 | nyov | dosbox? |
| 01:52.24 | holycow | what they said *nod* |
| 01:52.24 | nyov | nes? |
| 01:52.40 | jgkamat | dolphin is magic too |
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| 01:53.12 | nyov | https://www.myabandonware.com/game/warcraft-orcs-humans-250 |
| 01:53.17 | nimbius | the debian minimal install image is DOS partition table. this will never boot in an EFI system. |
| 01:53.28 | EdePopede | holycow: or if i'd want to run my SE? (XP also available on disk) |
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| 01:54.11 | nyov | EdePopede: for everything after win98: playonlinux, WINE |
| 01:54.22 | nyov | i mean why not |
| 01:54.44 | holycow | the problem is going to be the drivers. passthrough will only work on newer windows versions if at all and drivers need to support the hardware |
| 01:54.47 | holycow | however |
| 01:54.50 | nyov | though might be a bit of hassle compared to a VM |
| 01:55.26 | holycow | hardware was so slow back then you may be just able to use qemu and run it in software ... not sure, most games still look for 3d acceleration |
| 01:55.45 | nyov | yeah, but dosbox might be a better fit in that case |
| 01:55.58 | holycow | yup |
| 01:56.00 | nyov | allowing cpu speed adjustment and such |
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| 01:56.58 | holycow | EdePopede: you just give it a try anyway. there is no single answer |
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| 01:58.10 | EdePopede | not only one... there's also a (used) lenovo with win10 on it, would be nice to run this one too virtualized if somehow possible |
| 01:58.28 | nimbius | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=740504 |
| 01:58.29 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/740504 in cdimage.debian.org (open): «cdimage.debian.org: Released ISO images have invalid GPT tables»; severity: important; opened: 2014-03-02; last modified: 2014-04-12. |
| 01:58.32 | nimbius | this has been a bug for 4 years :c |
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| 04:27.28 | daica | hi guys, when I do grep -r "string search" * > output.file, how do I make it so it won't write the directory and the filename in this output.file? |
| 04:27.51 | daica | So i want it write only the string search... |
| 04:29.17 | daica | oh wait |
| 04:29.31 | daica | I found the option no-filename lol, I'm all set |
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| 04:44.00 | rant | daica: -ho or -oh depending on if you prefer the slutty argument or just the moaning one.. |
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| 04:53.04 | daica | yup. I got it, thanks Rant. |
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| 07:00.41 | pcav___ | hi all. I do not understand why if I write something wrong in postgresql.conf, then restart thee service, the status shows active whereas the server is down. thnks for a hint |
| 07:02.50 | rydare | pcav___: i dont know postgresql, but i think it's saying it activated the service, even though the service fails to start |
| 07:03.02 | rydare | but i could be wrong, maybe someone will know better |
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| 07:05.29 | mpu | Hey, I'm looking for netsurf on testing but cannot find it, any clues what might be happening? |
| 07:05.44 | mpu | (i.e., apt search netsurf returns nothing) |
| 07:08.40 | oiaohm | pcav___: you are under systemd check out what processes are running in the cgroup and check out the lsof from that cgroup. You might have messed up the port/socket settings. |
| 07:09.17 | rydare | mpu, i'm not seeing it in testing |
| 07:09.25 | rydare | there's a version in stable and sid though |
| 07:09.38 | rydare | I don't know why it's not in testing |
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| 07:11.23 | mpu | rydare, does testing have a "version number" or a nickname? |
| 07:11.33 | rydare | testing is currently buster |
| 07:11.37 | rydare | or rather the other way around |
| 07:11.50 | rydare | https://packages.qa.debian.org/n/netsurf.html |
| 07:12.02 | rydare | looks like the new version introduces a regression, so they removed it from testing |
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| 07:13.48 | omarek | Hi how do I download specific .debs to install on another computer? |
| 07:14.14 | omarek | My home computer with Debian Buster lost its internet connection. I want to download the packages from before the upgrade. |
| 07:14.23 | omarek | I made a list of them. |
| 07:16.06 | oiaohm | rydare: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=867694 Little worse than a minor regression. |
| 07:16.07 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/867694 in netsurf-fb (open): «netsurf-fb: Completely unusable due to missing dependencies, symlinks and documentation»; severity: grave; opened: 2017-07-08; last modified: 2017-07-16. |
| 07:16.16 | omarek | I can't make senseof the packages.debian.org website. |
| 07:16.31 | mpu | rydare, thanks for looking into this! |
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| 07:20.58 | at0m | omarek: often, these can still be found in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 07:22.23 | at0m | omarek: and buster specific support goes on irc.oftc.net/debian-next |
| 07:23.02 | at0m | dpkg: tell omarek about downgrades |
| 07:24.34 | oiaohm | omarek: You are most likely going about this the hardest way possible. https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-offline/ |
| 07:25.07 | oiaohm | omarek: the apt wget method allows you to generated a list of urls to be downloaded from what ever the off line configured mirrors are. |
| 07:25.54 | oiaohm | omarek: packages site and manually solving dependancies is insane amount of work. |
| 07:26.33 | themill | also highly likely that fixing the problem is easier than downgrading |
| 07:27.50 | oiaohm | omarek: you also have https://github.com/rickysarraf/apt-offline as well. |
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| 08:01.05 | omarek | at0m: I ran "sudo apt-get autoremove" afterwards and I've already checked the directory. It only contains recent versions. |
| 08:01.53 | themill | removing packages sounds more likely to be the problem than upgrading them |
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| 08:02.43 | pragomer | please have a look a this screenshot: https://snag.gy/1Krcpg.jpg Why cant I install the package "dialog"? it is interpreted as a bash command |
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| 08:03.37 | pragomer | and how can I solve this? |
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| 08:04.11 | at0m | omarek: apt-get autoremove doesn't remove debs, it suggests to remove auto-installed packages for whiich the package that depended on them is no longer installed |
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| 08:05.10 | jelly | pragomer: where's the output of that command? When you use \ continuations, \ has to be the very last character on the line (not even whitespace after that) |
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| 08:05.56 | at0m | omarek: you can get the list of removed packages (or other changes ) from /var/log/apt/term.log and other /var/log/apt* |
| 08:06.40 | omarek | I've made backups of the history.log, dpkg.log, and the somethingelse.log |
| 08:07.46 | omarek | themill: Can you tell me anything more specific? My internet connection on my main home computer went down and I have limited experience as an admin. I'm a programmer. |
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| 08:08.19 | omarek | It went down sometime after I upgraded a two dozen packages or so. |
| 08:08.21 | jelly | pragomer: which tool or program is this a screenshot of? Some editor? |
| 08:08.57 | themill | omarek: it would be easier to figure out the problem if you could tell us exactly what you actually did. What packages were removed? |
| 08:09.04 | omarek | oiaohm: My internet connection worked after upgrading from stretch to buster. It's only a minor upgrade to roll back. |
| 08:09.38 | omarek | Wait, I'll be back with history.log . I need to copy it on a flash drive. |
| 08:10.19 | pragomer | its gedit |
| 08:10.44 | at0m | omarek: did you read what i had dpkg /msg you on downgrades? also, like themill suggested, it's probably easier to solve the issues you're facing than rolling back. and buster support is on irc.oftc in #debian-next |
| 08:10.45 | themill | pragomer: showing us the problem would be better (and using a pastebin not screenshots is even better still) |
| 08:11.05 | at0m | *irc.oftc.net |
| 08:11.30 | jelly | !next |
| 08:11.30 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 08:12.40 | omarek | at0m: I have, but it doesn't suggest anything to do, just what not to do. |
| 08:14.29 | at0m | omarek: like, no downgrades. so come over to irc.oftc.net in #debian-next and try to solve your current issues. |
| 08:14.52 | omarek | at0m: How do you know I'm not there? |
| 08:15.31 | at0m | ok there |
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| 08:31.01 | omarek | See ? That channel might be more appropriate, but there's no traffic. |
| 08:31.42 | themill | omarek: questions don't get answered until they are asked. |
| 08:32.36 | themill | (and detailed answers don't emerge until a detailed question is asked) |
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| 08:43.42 | jelly | omarek: there's a small but not 100% overlap of people. You have to explain your issue in this new different channel again. |
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| 08:52.23 | themill | isn't really sure it has been explained at all |
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| 09:07.53 | omarek | It was a bad advice to join that channel. |
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| 09:11.34 | themill | omarek: not at all |
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| 09:12.15 | jelly | omarek: you STILL did not say a thing in there |
| 09:13.17 | themill | omarek: tbh, I'd be happy to help you here too, but you've also not provided me with any of the information I asked for so that I could help you. |
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| 09:14.34 | jelly | omarek: since OFTC is a separate network, but with the same spam problem, you need to register and identify over there to be able to speak /msg NickServ help register |
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| 09:15.57 | omarek | Ah, so I was shadowbanned!!! |
| 09:17.11 | omarek | Okay not exactly shadowbanned but the message about not being identified shows in a different tab. |
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| 09:21.24 | themill | feel free to file a bug against your client about that |
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| 09:23.58 | omarek | jelly: do you see my messages now? |
| 09:25.43 | at0m | omarek: nope , not there :s |
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| 09:54.05 | mixfix41 | hey there was a sbc git repo im pretty sure it was just 1.3sbc-1 unmodified but i have a few copies/ or some which reminds me i should diff the files to actually see.. if they were different from git bluetooth/packages/sbc.git but who knows if the repo is gone and i done looked for it pretty well but the packages i built they were ugh working all right just hopefully someones not missing this wonder if |
| 09:54.07 | mixfix41 | dongles would make a different compared to this particular arm device bt |
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| 10:02.41 | pldiem | hi, where can I put this 'sudo systemctl restart bluetooth' to run automatically everytime I restart computer? |
| 10:02.48 | pldiem | now I have to do it manually |
| 10:03.01 | pldiem | otherwise bluetooth headset won't work |
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| 10:07.14 | glick | hi |
| 10:07.56 | glick | does anyone recommend a good new laptop that works geat with debian |
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| 10:10.50 | pldiem | glick: I have just ordered lenovo legion y530 with i7-8750h, it's a bugdet one, and I hope it will work well :) |
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| 10:12.52 | glick | wow, nice pldiem |
| 10:13.03 | glick | does that work well with linux? |
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| 10:14.17 | glick | where did you buy it pldiem? |
| 10:15.49 | pldiem | I found no info about compatibility, but if it won't work I will return it |
| 10:16.23 | pldiem | I ordered it in Poland, so I guess it won't be helpful |
| 10:16.35 | pldiem | what do you want to use it for? |
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| 10:17.57 | glick | heh |
| 10:18.09 | glick | i want to use it fo image pocessing |
| 10:18.17 | glick | darktable |
| 10:20.06 | pldiem | so I guess it is good to have great cpu for image processing |
| 10:20.19 | pldiem | and gpu as well |
| 10:20.34 | pldiem | but I read that screen isn't to bright |
| 10:20.43 | pldiem | so you might need to use external one |
| 10:20.58 | LaScoumoune | Hi all actualy i use ifup and that work, but when i "systemctl status networking" i have --> Failed to start Raise network interfaces, i dont understand why because my iface work |
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| 10:21.27 | LaScoumoune | I dont use auto, or mount at boot |
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| 10:53.07 | EdePopede | LaScoumoune: thanks for reminding me, same issue here xD did you check `systemctl status networking.service`? |
| 10:53.23 | LaScoumoune | EdePopede: Yes |
| 10:53.42 | EdePopede | > Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Mon 2018-09-10 19:30:31 CEST; 4 days ago |
| 10:53.47 | EdePopede | hmm... o...kay? oO |
| 10:53.58 | LaScoumoune | At the moment i have make a fresh install, i dont know why networking say that |
| 10:57.25 | EdePopede | only kernel upgrade on the 4th what i see so far |
| 11:00.30 | LaScoumoune | 4.9.0-7-amd64 |
| 11:00.34 | EdePopede | hm. syslog has some entries for that timestamp --- ifup[349]: Cannot find device "eth0" // dhclient[461]: Failed to get interface index: No such device --- and going on |
| 11:00.45 | LaScoumoune | hum |
| 11:00.51 | LaScoumoune | you use ifup interfaces ? |
| 11:00.55 | EdePopede | 4.9.0-8-amd64 since then |
| 11:01.20 | EdePopede | didn't changed anything manually and tbh didn't really look into syslogs so far |
| 11:02.04 | LaScoumoune | yea before i was use 4.8 and all work fine, i have make a fresh install wih 4.9 and i see that with systemctl status networking |
| 11:02.06 | EdePopede | or the netcard wasn't recognized on boot and i tried it manually like this in the shell out of habit |
| 11:02.37 | LaScoumoune | if you dont have auto or hotplug in you're interfaces.d/myinter no |
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| 11:03.39 | LaScoumoune | personaly i have interfaces.d/myinter and if-pre-up.d/myinter-tools |
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| 11:10.21 | EdePopede | i'm still completely out of this.... new init thing |
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| 11:13.35 | EdePopede | just yesterday when i connected my external to the other pc (default settings), xfce paved my desktop with useless shiny icons. all i want is hardware recognition working and i think the internet connection is the only thing i prefer to be set up automatically on boot, so i don't have to check before looking for updates |
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| 11:24.16 | LaScoumoune | i reboot |
| 11:24.22 | EdePopede | good luck |
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| 11:26.34 | EdePopede | after boot, is the kernel version line always the first thing to appear in syslog? or is there maybe another file used even before this one? |
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| 11:29.00 | LaScoumoune | ok i have 4.9.0-8-amd64 now |
| 11:29.14 | LaScoumoune | i think is networking.service |
| 11:29.42 | EdePopede | wb and... no msg anymore? |
| 11:29.55 | LaScoumoune | i do disable it or other, for use only ifup interfaces. I see networking try to at boot |
| 11:30.04 | LaScoumoune | i have always message |
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| 11:30.40 | LaScoumoune | you have autoremove networkmanger ? because lot of conflict with ifup |
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| 11:34.17 | EdePopede | i have `/usr/sbin/NetworkManager --no-daemon` in ps with `/sbin/dhclient -d -q -sf /usr/lib/NetworkManager/nm-dhcp-helper` (followed by even more options) as a child process running |
| 11:34.51 | EdePopede | just installed and added some valuable tools and programs to test some things, but no changes on the system so far |
| 11:35.12 | LaScoumoune | you do to disable network manager |
| 11:35.14 | LaScoumoune | and other |
| 11:35.21 | LaScoumoune | juste use wpa_supplicant and ifup |
| 11:35.51 | LaScoumoune | if you want use like me, juste ifup ifdown manualy |
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| 11:41.21 | LaScoumoune | i think its a conlict with networking and ifaces |
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| 11:41.59 | EdePopede | maybe... but before i change things here i want to see what debian is doing and how and why. and as long as it works i don't think i'll touch it. |
| 11:42.13 | EdePopede | but yes, i'd really want to know why the message |
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| 11:52.20 | LaScoumoune | ok i have resolv 1/2 problem |
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| 11:58.25 | LaScoumoune | that work now |
| 11:58.42 | LaScoumoune | EdePopede: if you use like me youreinterface with no auto or hotplug |
| 11:58.59 | LaScoumoune | you do to disable network-manager && networking |
| 12:00.02 | EdePopede | wants to stay connected with the world :( |
| 12:00.49 | LaScoumoune | ;) |
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| 12:16.06 | kirk781 | I ended up bricking my Debian installation |
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| 12:19.53 | ntd | you don't brick software |
| 12:20.04 | kirk781 | ntd, well in a metaphorical sense |
| 12:20.09 | ntd | just as you don't write hardware |
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| 12:20.42 | LaScoumoune | so i see that use only, network.target && systemctl status sys-subsystem-net-devices-mydevice.device |
| 12:21.19 | LaScoumoune | network.target if i disable it, i dont have my dnsmasq that resolv bug |
| 12:21.46 | LaScoumoune | that what i have with systemctl | grep net |
| 12:22.55 | LaScoumoune | my question is |
| 12:23.21 | kirk781 | I am now stuck where the login manager just rebounds to itself |
| 12:23.46 | n4dir | try startx instead? |
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| 12:24.15 | n4dir | or a different display-manager, or a different user ... |
| 12:24.16 | LaScoumoune | is it possible to use the service sys-subsystem-net-devices-mydevice.device, if is up that run a systemd openvpn for creat sys-subsystem-net-devices-tun0device ? |
| 12:25.20 | kirk781 | I tried all of it; changed the login manager, changed the user, even reinstalled a whole DE and xserver-xorg packages, and nothing helped |
| 12:25.28 | EdePopede | LaScoumoune http://paste.debian.net/1042305/ -- but don't ask me what and why ;) |
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| 12:25.56 | LaScoumoune | EdePopede |
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| 12:26.11 | bencc | how can I substitute bold font with regular font? |
| 12:26.15 | LaScoumoune | just stop networking.service |
| 12:26.35 | bencc | I have this fontconfig for substituting "Calibri Light" with "Carlito" https://pastebin.com/cJaurizv |
| 12:26.40 | n4dir | kirk781: and what error messages you get from startx and find in ~/.xsession-errors (or such) and in the X log files |
| 12:26.45 | LaScoumoune | systemctl stop networking && systemctl disable networking && ifup enp2s0 |
| 12:26.53 | bencc | I'm trying to substitute "Calibri Light:Bold" with "Carlito:Regulat" |
| 12:27.08 | LaScoumoune | or ifup -vvv enp2s0 |
| 12:27.31 | EdePopede | LaScoumoune: i'm afraid to brick up my installation *duck* |
| 12:27.35 | kirk781 | ~/.xsession-errors is empty |
| 12:27.35 | apt | ...but /.xsession-errors is already something else... |
| 12:27.36 | LaScoumoune | show me you're /etc/network/interfaces without the line psk |
| 12:27.50 | LaScoumoune | EdePopede im sure |
| 12:28.09 | LaScoumoune | you use dhcp ? |
| 12:28.19 | LaScoumoune | that realy easy to use ifup |
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| 12:29.28 | LaScoumoune | EdePopede networking.service use only if you have auto or hostplug in you're /network/interfaces |
| 12:29.33 | EdePopede | sometimes the eth seems to have problems to wake up, or the init process is too fast, don't know. but nothing new, had that even with wheezy |
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| 12:29.55 | LaScoumoune | you dont have strecht ? |
| 12:30.10 | EdePopede | sure. but the problem is old :) |
| 12:30.12 | nyov | kirk781: dmesg ? |
| 12:30.25 | nyov | perhaps errors are there |
| 12:30.36 | LaScoumoune | EdePopede i dont understand no problem have with ifup and ifdown |
| 12:30.43 | nyov | or otherwise /var/log/syslog |
| 12:30.47 | LaScoumoune | all probleme is network-manager |
| 12:31.06 | n4dir | for problems with X i for one would go with the files i mentioned. |
| 12:31.06 | EdePopede | and yes, lo and eth0 are both set to auto |
| 12:31.26 | LaScoumoune | ok in network/interfaces ? |
| 12:31.34 | nyov | ntd: though login-related errors might be worth looking for in /var/log/auth.log |
| 12:31.50 | LaScoumoune | show me you're /network/interfaces |
| 12:32.14 | nyov | (for PAM related fails) |
| 12:32.16 | LaScoumoune | if you use auto you do you hostplug |
| 12:32.35 | LaScoumoune | i cant help you with auto and networking.service |
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| 12:32.46 | LaScoumoune | i can just help if you use inet static |
| 12:33.08 | ntd | what? |
| 12:33.19 | nyov | kirk781: you do have *some* kind of console login or not? |
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| 12:34.15 | EdePopede | LaScoumoune: as i said, sometimes the eth0 will not react in time, that's the only real problem i have from time to time after boot. so reboot or ifup or whatever it was, have to check it most of times when it happens, since it is nearly never. and now the message, yes. is added to the TODO check list which gets longer every day :) |
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| 12:35.30 | LaScoumoune | EdePopede yea is it possible |
| 12:35.44 | LaScoumoune | because you use automount at boot !! |
| 12:35.54 | LaScoumoune | and wpa_supplicant if you use dhcp |
| 12:36.06 | LaScoumoune | so that need to maybe 5-8 sec |
| 12:36.37 | LaScoumoune | the systemd networking start after you're boot and that need 5-8 for run wpa-supplicant and other service |
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| 12:37.15 | EdePopede | systemd really could wait until the hardware is ready... |
| 12:37.24 | LaScoumoune | that why the better is use static no auto boot and just use ifup iface with network/if-pre-up.d/iface-tools for use iw cmd |
| 12:37.30 | EdePopede | but the old init neither did it |
| 12:38.46 | LaScoumoune | you do to choice my friend |
| 12:38.58 | LaScoumoune | networking or network-manager or interfaces |
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| 12:39.25 | EdePopede | takes the red envelope |
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| 12:41.41 | LaScoumoune | what you choice ? |
| 12:43.08 | n4dir | kirk781: i would check ownership of ~/.Xauthority, but iirc ~/.xsession-errors would give an error in that case |
| 12:44.13 | kirk781 | I checked the ownership of xauthority[it was listed as a possible issue in an answer], however, it didn't turn out to be the issue. I haven't checked /var/log/syslog yet though. |
| 12:46.42 | n4dir | startx usually is chatty if it fails. weird it ain't in your case. |
| 12:47.08 | kirk781 | startx shows quite a generic error[connection has failed to initialize ] |
| 12:47.51 | n4dir | give up on X and get used to the tty ? |
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| 12:49.28 | kirk781 | I will check for errors once more in /var/log/syslog and then give up if the issue isn't resolved. It's much easier to install a distro all over again |
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| 12:51.50 | n4dir | ain't that easy to break debian-stable though. |
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| 13:04.48 | andywww | hi, for some reason my debian box keeps dropping the static IP i have set up in interfaces and assigning a dhcp address |
| 13:04.50 | andywww | https://hastebin.com/kekagexusu.makefile |
| 13:05.53 | andywww | if i restart networking it goes back to obeying the config in interfaces |
| 13:06.03 | andywww | this is proving quite confusing |
| 13:06.09 | andywww | there are no reboots or anything |
| 13:06.54 | abrotman | anything in interfaces.d ? |
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| 13:07.41 | andywww | no, nothing |
| 13:09.24 | abrotman | network-manager installed/running? |
| 13:09.30 | andywww | my knowledge of debian is getting fairly old now, is there a config tool sitting above manual entries in /etc/network/interfaces that might be taking precedence? |
| 13:09.50 | nyov | well, some process or other manipulates your device |
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| 13:10.21 | nyov | not on top of interfaces, but alternative to it perhaps. such as network-manager |
| 13:14.20 | nyov | andywww: what kind of interface is it? wlan? ether? other? |
| 13:17.41 | andywww | just normal eth0 wired ethernet |
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| 13:19.08 | LaScoumoune | ahah that work ! |
| 13:19.39 | LaScoumoune | ksk thank :D |
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| 14:29.13 | galex-713 | Hi |
| 14:29.21 | galex-713 | Can Debianâs firefox install DRM? |
| 14:29.44 | galex-713 | I mean, thereâs no risk I install them without wanting too by not paying attention? |
| 14:30.04 | galex-713 | *unwillingly |
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| 14:42.09 | MrrtDerpson | Should be the same as anyone else's FF package in that respect https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/enable-drm?as=u&utm_source=inproduct |
| 14:42.13 | MrrtDerpson | Why do you ask? |
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| 14:59.57 | nyov | it doesn't install DRM, it downloads and installs a CDM to decode DRM content. And yes, it's done automatically unless you disable 'drm protected content' completely |
| 15:01.03 | nyov | and it will automatically keep updating adobe primetime/google widevine cdms |
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| 15:03.00 | nyov | actually I misspoke - you can deactive both CDM individually |
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| 15:05.23 | galex-713 | nyov: but cdm is sandboxed proprietary software right? |
| 15:06.03 | galex-713 | Isnât there a free package of firefox that fully disallow the installing of proprietary software this way, or at least that warns that it is proprietary software? |
| 15:06.22 | nyov | yes, it's downloaded from adobe and google respectively, and auto-updated |
| 15:06.22 | galex-713 | otherwise users could be mistaken and install it thinking it is free since theyâre using debian |
| 15:06.44 | galex-713 | whatâs the relationship with the fact it comes from adobe and google? |
| 15:07.16 | galex-713 | Doesnât software that automatically installs non-free software or encourage its installation then install it goes to contrib? like playonlinux? |
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| 15:07.19 | nyov | Well, debian stopped policing Firefox when it stopped shipping Iceweasel seperately - my opinion |
| 15:07.37 | galex-713 | :( |
| 15:07.44 | galex-713 | why did they stop that then? :( |
| 15:07.54 | galex-713 | if only iceweasel and icecat joined their efforts |
| 15:07.55 | nyov | it's very hard work to keep managing such a big package |
| 15:08.04 | galex-713 | we could have icecat in free and normal firefox in contrib |
| 15:08.11 | galex-713 | mmmh okay |
| 15:08.16 | nyov | is chromium in contrib? |
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| 15:08.25 | nyov | no idea |
| 15:08.28 | galex-713 | if chromium do that too it should go there |
| 15:08.34 | galex-713 | so itâs akin to admitting they donât have the forces and ressources to manage it |
| 15:08.43 | galex-713 | yet, FSF still continue to try, be it not that perfect |
| 15:08.55 | nyov | that's like trying to keep managing a kernel module out-of-tree, where the kernel changes APi every 6 months |
| 15:09.06 | galex-713 | oh yeah I know that |
| 15:09.22 | galex-713 | thatâs why itâs impossible to truly freeing and updating any pocket computer (aka âsmartphonesâ) |
| 15:09.28 | nyov | which is perhaps one reason they keep browser packages that big |
| 15:09.33 | nyov | lol |
| 15:09.45 | nyov | you can't overcome that momentum |
| 15:09.52 | galex-713 | who keep browser packages that big? what reason? |
| 15:10.09 | galex-713 | linux is a such bad kernel indeed :/ but still, thatâs not the discussion |
| 15:10.16 | nyov | I mean it's just one big blackbox right? compiled and shipped |
| 15:10.28 | nyov | firefox killed NPAPI plugin support also |
| 15:10.32 | galex-713 | (in my mad we should all use some k*bsd and have an api translator from its api to linuxâs one) |
| 15:10.42 | nyov | so no modulr stuff anymore |
| 15:10.46 | nyov | *modular |
| 15:10.58 | galex-713 | afaik itâs one big monolithic piece of sandboxed proprietary software |
| 15:11.00 | galex-713 | thatâs normal |
| 15:11.04 | galex-713 | itâs all-or-nothing |
| 15:11.14 | galex-713 | and yet |
| 15:11.15 | nyov | sadly. wouldn't have to be this way |
| 15:11.28 | galex-713 | we could do something, like we could version it, and lie to it about the current datetime |
| 15:11.33 | galex-713 | or stuff like that |
| 15:11.37 | galex-713 | disallow it to store informations |
| 15:11.59 | nyov | ? |
| 15:12.11 | nyov | with what goal? |
| 15:12.14 | galex-713 | so that anything readable at instant t can be read for ever |
| 15:12.29 | galex-713 | also providing I/O ressources so that to save what it plays |
| 15:12.41 | nyov | oh you mean DRM content |
| 15:13.03 | galex-713 | if we save versions of CDM, lie on how fast the time goes, and save its output, that purpose can easily be defeated |
| 15:13.43 | galex-713 | But still, itâs as advertisement: if we began to lie about if we watched it or not, if we clicked or not, everything would end falsified and it would just appear that ads as well as DRM are just not realistically possible with free software |
| 15:13.57 | galex-713 | sadly people hope they can come to an agreement |
| 15:14.10 | galex-713 | so they give up once they failed |
| 15:14.11 | galex-713 | :( |
| 15:14.20 | nyov | DRM is always inherently breakable. but ofcourse they try to keep it hard to do so |
| 15:14.34 | galex-713 | the question is not if it is inherently breakable |
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| 15:14.37 | galex-713 | but how easy it is |
| 15:14.57 | galex-713 | if google pays an army of people to renew keys or encryption methods |
| 15:15.10 | galex-713 | a team of 10 developers might not be enough to break all of it |
| 15:15.31 | galex-713 | just as youtube-dl gave up and now just execute a subset of youtubeâs javascript to download videos from there |
| 15:15.52 | galex-713 | (would be interesting if there were a debian contrib version of youtube-dl that did that) |
| 15:16.05 | nyov | depends on how sophisticated you're thinking |
| 15:16.11 | nyov | frame-grab a video stream from a render window or audio from the output driver - will always work |
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| 15:16.12 | galex-713 | exactely |
| 15:16.21 | galex-713 | and as I said, output from CDM must work |
| 15:16.30 | galex-713 | if it only decrypt media stuff |
| 15:17.07 | galex-713 | if thatâs more complex, that might be more, but the interface to the OS and user I/O is going to be stable, otherwise it wouldnât work, except if we allow them to rewrite a proprietary version of pulseaudio each day |
| 15:17.44 | galex-713 | so making OS says time is passing a hundred times as fast and saving output from one particular set of program should always work |
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| 15:18.33 | galex-713 | (when I says OS itâs not necessarily linux but also libc, gcc, spidermonkey, pulseaudio, xorg, etc.) |
| 15:18.45 | galex-713 | (gnome, etc.) |
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| 15:33.22 | Beggar | Firstly I have a non-debian related question, this one: how do I use this "apt://carla-git" repository in debian? |
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| 15:36.01 | Beggar | the debian related one: What is the color of the underwear that themill is using right now? |
| 15:36.10 | Beggar | that's it. |
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| 15:39.32 | lovepopsickle | anyone used aa-exec -p /path/to/profile with apparmor? I keep getting that is not a profile error but it is a profile |
| 15:40.20 | lovepopsickle | i thought aa-exec would do something similar like firejail --profile= and read a profile on execute on the fly for that terminal situation |
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| 15:51.18 | NetTerminalGene | ,v firefox-esr |
| 15:51.19 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.9.0esr-1; stretch-security: 60.2.0esr-1~deb9u2; sid: 60.2.0esr-1 |
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| 15:51.34 | NetTerminalGene | ,kernels |
| 15:51.35 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.19.0-rc3-686 (4.19~rc3-1~exp1); sid: 4.18.0-1-686-pae (4.18.6-1); buster: 4.18.0-1-686-pae (4.18.6-1); stretch-backports: 4.17.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (4.17.17-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u4); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u4~deb8u1); |
| 15:51.36 | judd | wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1) |
| 15:53.05 | NetTerminalGene | how does firefox 60 works without rust in stretch? |
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| 15:54.39 | nyov | Beggar: is that apt-url not linking a package? where is there repository info there? |
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| 15:56.20 | Beggar | nyov I just got this from http://kxstudio.linuxaudio.org/Applications:Carla#Download but I did not found any instructions on how to use the repository. I am used to http and https repositories urls, never met any "apt:" one. |
| 15:56.34 | Beggar | In other words, I do not know what to do with this one. |
| 15:57.05 | hexhaxtron | I removed MariaDB to install nagios and now I lost all the databases. Can I copy /var/lib/mysql-10.2/* to /var/lib/mysql/? |
| 15:57.10 | nyov | apt: short-links usually just link to a package, of whatever system repository is enabled. stupid idea IMO |
| 15:57.10 | apt | nyov: what are you talking about? |
| 15:58.23 | nyov | Beggar: the link says "(via KXStudio repositories)" |
| 15:58.33 | nyov | so you'll need those in your sources.list |
| 15:58.50 | Beggar | nyov, what is the protocol for apt::? I have tried wget, the soruces.list and does not worked |
| 15:58.50 | nyov | https://kxstudio.linuxaudio.org/Repositories |
| 15:59.08 | nyov | just add those sources, the apt-get install carla-git |
| 15:59.12 | nyov | *then |
| 16:00.00 | nyov | "apt:" links, when added to the browser, would just open synaptic ot some other package manager |
| 16:00.10 | Beggar | aaaaaaaa |
| 16:00.18 | RoyK | !carla-git |
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| 16:00.47 | Beggar | got it, so the apt:: is like those junk links used in skype where you click on it and it open skype and call for that number, or like email in html. |
| 16:00.57 | Beggar | Thank you nyov! |
| 16:01.11 | nyov | you're welcome |
| 16:05.07 | Beggar | I will end up compiling the sources, as far as I hate using nom-official repositóries mainly when they need apt-trasnport-xxxxx |
| 16:05.48 | Beggar | but at least it can be tested in a live debian. |
| 16:06.04 | Beggar | thanks again for the help \o |
| 16:06.28 | at0m | Beggar: yes, there's also such a "junk link" for irc, irc:// or ircs://chat.freenode.net/debian links here |
| 16:07.02 | at0m | not sure what the proper term is. URI in general? |
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| 16:19.51 | NetTerminalGene | is there newest mesa in stretch backports? what is the name of the mesa package ? |
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| 16:33.30 | EdePopede | URI seems to be the broadest one, but even w3c needed a doc for it: https://www.w3.org/TR/uri-clarification/ |
| 16:36.37 | EdePopede | just installed webfs (no dependencies), things were set up, daemon started. listening to the world now, what i usually don't like if i'm not asked in advance. checked with a webservice, yes, the port is open, but even local connection on the ip:port is refused. and i am confused. not even an entry in the log file on the connection attempts. what's the situation? does systemd protect this this thing somehow? |
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| 16:40.59 | tsuggs | Hi, I've upgraded seahorse in testing and now all my keyrings appear blank. Anyone else encountering this? |
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| 16:43.55 | tsuggs | All keyrings, for reference. |
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| 16:56.24 | T3RM1N41 | You may have to reimport them |
| 16:56.45 | jelly | NetTerminalGene: libgl1-mesa-dri is the main package |
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| 16:58.27 | tsuggs | T3RM1N41: Yeah, I'll either be doing that or converting it to another password manager today I suppose |
| 16:59.12 | tsuggs | since firefox doesnt have a plugin to integrate with gnome keyring most of this doesnt really need to be in there |
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| 17:03.23 | rafalcpp | how to temporarly try newer/newest kernel, without building it? and also newest version of one driver (module, I know package where it is in) |
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| 17:07.01 | jelly | rafalcpp: if you're on stretch, you can get kernel (and matching firmware) from stretch-backports |
| 17:07.23 | jelly | !bdo kernel |
| 17:07.23 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the <stretch-backports> repository. After modifying your sources.list, run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t stretch-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
| 17:07.24 | ZitZ | hello, when i switch to tty and back to kde plasma, the color is buggy, it reverts to a messed up 24 color or something |
| 17:07.41 | ZitZ | is anyone aware of ongoing transitions in sid or bugs that would cause this? |
| 17:08.07 | jelly | ZitZ: if you're on sid, |
| 17:08.11 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 17:08.11 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 17:09.22 | ZitZ | jelly: thank you! |
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| 17:10.16 | jelly | ZitZ: sadly to talk in there you need to get an account on OFTC. /msg NickServ help register |
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| 17:10.51 | nyov | ah, that is why Freenode #debian picked up so much |
| 17:12.04 | nyov | used to be more action on the OFTC channel, iirc |
| 17:12.08 | jelly | you also need an account to talk in here, it's just a freenode account |
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| 17:13.13 | NetTerminalGene | jelly, if i install this package will i have latest mesa? https://packages.debian.org/stretch-backports/libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 17:14.10 | jelly | NetTerminalGene: you will have newer mesa than what's in stretch. Probably not the latest, because upstream releases relatively often |
| 17:14.23 | jelly | ,v libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 17:14.24 | judd | Package: libgl1-mesa-dri on amd64 -- wheezy: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; jessie: 10.3.2-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 13.0.6-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 13.0.6-1+b2; stretch-backports: 18.1.6-1~bpo9+1; buster: 18.1.7-1; sid: 18.1.8-1; experimental: 18.2.0-1 |
| 17:14.29 | NetTerminalGene | that's enough for me thanks |
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| 17:15.44 | NetTerminalGene | so, i will upgrade kernel and install latest mesa and i am to go :D |
| 17:15.55 | NetTerminalGene | because supertuxcart doesn't work well |
| 17:16.13 | NetTerminalGene | supertuxkart* |
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| 17:24.35 | NetTerminalGene | jelly, gnome animation is laggy for me. if i install that mesa package, would it fix? |
| 17:27.30 | jelly | NetTerminalGene: I don't have any experience with modern Gnome, perhaps, perhaps not |
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| 17:28.51 | rafalcpp | how to tune Debian for max performance (including networking)? |
| 17:28.59 | rafalcpp | e.g. afair redhat has custom scripts for that |
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| 17:29.56 | rafalcpp | why there is linux-image-4.17.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 and .bpo.3 ? |
| 17:31.31 | rafalcpp | ok so bpo is "backported", and the 3 is a bit newer, and 1 a bit more stable? |
| 17:32.54 | RoyK | probably worls |
| 17:32.57 | RoyK | works |
| 17:33.29 | RoyK | but if you want automatic upggrades or things like that, tick to those in stable |
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| 17:43.59 | rafalcpp | jelly: that factoid is incorrect, << aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))' >> doesn't work, probably due to the more detailed long name of it |
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| 17:44.25 | rafalcpp | no wait.. |
| 17:44.59 | rafalcpp | ah, it has other meaning of "virtual" packages when "-t" ... ok |
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| 18:10.27 | Noldorin | md0 : active raid1 sdb1[2] sda1[0] |
| 18:10.34 | Noldorin | does that look like a correct raid1 setup? |
| 18:10.40 | Noldorin | (output from `cat /dev/md0`) |
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| 18:28.34 | agittins | howdy - I'm having trouble with xdm crashing on startup after upgrading my machine to buster (radeon/amdgpu). I see that #debian-next is +i, is this the place to seek some ideas? |
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| 18:31.07 | annadane | agittins, #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net |
| 18:31.54 | agittins | Ha! I didn't even look at the servername, just assume it'd be here :-) Thanks. |
| 18:32.17 | agittins | *assume(d) (joys of using backup laptop with stuffed keyboard!) |
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| 19:03.29 | burakcank | Hey, can someone tell me what is the logic behind separating python standard library module "venv" from the python3 package itself ? |
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| 19:18.51 | nkuttler | burakcank: not everybody needs it? |
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| 19:23.44 | burakcank | nkuttler, there is this detail that it's in the standard library though. |
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| 19:24.42 | nkuttler | burakcank: debian packagers don't always agree with project standards |
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| 19:32.01 | burakcank | nkuttler, I am not criticizing their decision but is that it ? Is this related with storage issues or what ? I don't think that is the reason. |
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| 19:33.50 | bites | python3-venv is just the /usr/bin/pyvenv script. the venv module still works if you don't have it installed. |
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| 19:34.34 | bites | you can still python3 -m venv myvenv with the bare python3 package. |
| 19:35.01 | burakcank | bites, it does not work on ubuntu 18.04. Says I should install python3-venv. |
| 19:35.55 | bites | this ain't #ubuntu, is it? |
| 19:36.25 | ws2k3 | i have a machine with a areca 1880 raid controller. running seagate sas drives. raid10 with 2 hot spares. but lately sometimes the volume jumps to read only JBD2: Detected IO errors while flushing file data on sdb1-8 i checked the raid controller logs and there is nothing there. how should i proceed |
| 19:38.57 | burakcank | bites, oh, I thought that since ubuntu is based on debian, okay. My mistake :) |
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| 20:00.39 | ws2k3 | i have a machine with a areca 1880 raid controller. running seagate sas drives. raid10 with 2 hot spares. but lately sometimes the volume jumps to read only JBD2: Detected IO errors while flushing file data on sdb1-8 i checked the raid controller logs and there is nothing there. how should i proceed |
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| 20:02.27 | un214 | who's the package owner of lilo? |
| 20:04.06 | at0m | un214: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/lilo has the maintainer's info |
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| 20:06.43 | un214 | The homepage doesn't exist |
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| 20:10.58 | at0m | un214: Alioth is dead, long live Salsa so it seems. https://wiki.debian.org/Alioth/FAQ |
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| 20:11.57 | un214 | as expected kinda; I think the real answer for lilo package maintainer is nobody |
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| 20:12.38 | at0m | th maintainer is active, changed page 6 days ago. https://salsa.debian.org/joowie-guest/maintain_lilo |
| 20:12.57 | un214 | oh; somebody needs to update the homepage link then |
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| 20:13.36 | at0m | yea. maybe send Joachim an email. |
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| 20:14.33 | at0m | or git or whatever. https://salsa.debian.org/joowie-guest |
| 20:14.57 | un214 | oh; the real prolbem is you gave a stretch link rather than a buster link |
| 20:15.12 | un214 | buster has the right link |
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| 20:16.13 | lovepopsickle | can you use apparmor on the terminal? |
| 20:16.27 | lovepopsickle | with aa-exec to execute a profile for that session? |
| 20:17.42 | at0m | un214: seems you're right, and he stopped development of lilo |
| 20:18.06 | at0m | (as per the note on http://www.joonet.de/lilo/ ) |
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| 20:18.39 | un214 | I'm thinking about taking it up; I'm using a hacked-up lilo for running on fakeraid |
| 20:18.54 | un214 | I couldn't tell grub to stop writing to the disk |
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| 20:20.52 | at0m | "apt show lilo" also has the proper url. and have fun taking up the project, if you do =) |
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| 20:23.49 | nyov | that would be nice. lilo shouldn't die |
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| 20:28.02 | fr0xk | Looks like python 3.7 is still not making out Debian unstable |
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| 20:47.51 | annadane | ws2k3, i guess if no one knows the answer in here you can try the mailing list debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 20:48.46 | annadane | or maybe ##hardware here on freenode if it's maybe more on the hardware side in general, not sure how much of your problem is debian related |
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| 20:49.23 | sZbcE8qNfG | hello, could someone check if https://www.macys.com/ work? |
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| 20:52.52 | r3 | https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/macys.com |
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| 21:09.46 | pldiem | can I boot debian without disabling secure boot option? |
| 21:09.55 | pldiem | I have no such option in my bios |
| 21:10.06 | pldiem | InsydeH20 rev. 5.0 |
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| 21:43.16 | hypn0 | bios and uefi are not the same, bios doesn't have secure boot? |
| 21:45.41 | pldiem | but the option usually was located under security tab in the bios |
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| 21:46.45 | pldiem | I am trying to install Debian once again, because during the previous installation I haven't seen the grub boot loader screen |
| 21:46.54 | pldiem | so maybe that is the issue |
| 21:47.03 | pldiem | since I cannot boot |
| 21:47.10 | annadane | i'm not well versed in secure boot but see https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=820036 and https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot |
| 21:47.11 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/820036 in general (open): «Debian does not run on systems with Secure Boot enabled»; severity: important; opened: 2016-04-04; last modified: 2016-10-22. |
| 21:51.35 | pldiem | hmm... so how can I disable it when I don't see such option |
| 21:52.16 | Brigo | pldiem, ask google |
| 21:52.24 | pldiem | :) |
| 21:52.32 | hassoon | (: |
| 21:52.35 | pldiem | I tried for a few hours |
| 21:52.46 | hypn0 | if there's no option, then it's a bios? |
| 21:53.04 | pldiem | what do you mean? |
| 21:53.33 | hypn0 | debian installs fine with bios systems |
| 21:54.07 | pldiem | I know I had it on two other laptops |
| 21:54.12 | pldiem | one was the old one |
| 21:54.32 | pldiem | and on the newer one, as I can recall, I disabled secure boot |
| 21:54.48 | pldiem | and on the newest one I have no such option |
| 21:54.49 | hypn0 | just cause you got uefi on one system, doesn't mean its on others? |
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| 21:55.06 | pldiem | I do have uefi options here |
| 21:55.36 | pldiem | isn't it a standard on a new laptops? |
| 21:55.58 | hypn0 | yeah it should be |
| 21:56.41 | hypn0 | https://www.avira.com/en/support-for-home-knowledgebase-detail/kbid/1811 ? |
| 21:57.51 | pldiem | as I see on the screenshot there Rev. 3.7 |
| 21:57.57 | pldiem | I do have Rev. 5.0 |
| 21:58.41 | hypn0 | it should be similar? |
| 21:59.59 | hypn0 | https://neosmart.net/wiki/disabling-secure-boot/ ? |
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| 22:13.31 | pldiem | https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Lenovo-IdeaPad-1xx-3xx-5xx-7xx/Unable-to-disable-secure-boot-on-lenovo-IdeaPad-320/td-p/4073664 |
| 22:13.45 | pldiem | for me screen looks like on the last comment |
| 22:14.03 | pldiem | in the attached image |
| 22:14.22 | hypn0 | secure boot is there? |
| 22:17.28 | hypn0 | oh, the last post, is it elsewhere then, moved? |
| 22:17.44 | hypn0 | in boot? |
| 22:18.51 | pldiem | it is not there and it is not in my options |
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| 22:19.22 | pldiem | maybe I have to upgrade/downgrade this InsydeH20 |
| 22:20.34 | bites | pldiem: can you just boot in legacy mode or are you dual booting with windows 10? |
| 22:22.41 | pldiem | I am not dual booting, I have no win, I switched to legacy mode and also selected legacy first |
| 22:23.05 | pldiem | I was getting this not bootable message |
| 22:23.20 | pldiem | so maybe there was some problem with the installation |
| 22:23.45 | pldiem | as I wrote during installation there was no screen about grub loader |
| 22:23.49 | bites | so you already have debian installed on a gpt disk with uefi? |
| 22:23.51 | pldiem | so maybe that's the issue |
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| 22:24.10 | pldiem | gpt disk? |
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| 22:24.59 | pldiem | this computer is new |
| 22:25.10 | pldiem | I had debian on Dell 5480 |
| 22:25.17 | pldiem | which is quite new |
| 22:26.02 | bites | did you do the install in legacy mode? if not i would just suggest doing the install again. |
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| 22:26.32 | LaScoumoune | Hi all |
| 22:26.50 | LaScoumoune | i want report an issue with hdmi, i have try many solution and always not work with debian |
| 22:27.10 | pldiem | ok, I did not, I did it with the default settings |
| 22:27.19 | pldiem | uefi etc |
| 22:27.21 | LaScoumoune | So what is the solution for that work with debian strecht today ? always nothing ? |
| 22:28.19 | hypn0 | did you pess f12 pldiem on boot? |
| 22:29.24 | pldiem | nope, why should I? I had proper order set in boot tab |
| 22:30.03 | hypn0 | to get into setup? |
| 22:30.41 | pldiem | what setup? |
| 22:30.57 | hypn0 | the setup \, or is it f9? |
| 22:31.32 | hypn0 | the setup utility |
| 22:32.23 | pldiem | hmm... I haven't been there |
| 22:32.29 | pldiem | what can I set there? |
| 22:32.51 | hypn0 | the hardware? |
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| 22:33.55 | pldiem | I think it is just a boot menu |
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| 22:34.13 | hypn0 | it says it's a uefi bios, I guess the means uefi https://www.insyde.com/products |
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| 22:35.32 | wgas | pldiem found this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y7kCZS7Jjo and theres another way into advanced settings in comment by Tech Thrust,, might e worth trying |
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| 22:42.29 | nyov | I thought debian did run on secureboot systems |
| 22:42.49 | bites | nope |
| 22:43.07 | nyov | wasn't there a signed bootloader? |
| 22:43.19 | nyov | gotta go check. i was almost sure of it |
| 22:43.56 | pldiem | lost internet connectivity for a while :( |
| 22:44.10 | pldiem | wgas: thanks I will try that |
| 22:44.25 | pldiem | as soon as my second installation finishes |
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| 22:46.43 | nyov | well it seems ubuntu has signed kernel images |
| 22:47.04 | nyov | so, run on a ubuntu signed kernel? :D |
| 22:47.51 | pldiem | :) |
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| 22:51.14 | pldiem | strange, but now I had Install GRUB boot loader screen during installation |
| 22:51.31 | pldiem | I chose non-graphical option this time |
| 22:52.43 | pldiem | hmm... so that was the real issue |
| 22:53.02 | pldiem | it booted this time |
| 22:53.48 | pldiem | so there is some bug in the graphical installer? |
| 22:54.03 | LaScoumoune | any have idea for output hdmi ? is always not work ? |
| 22:54.12 | pldiem | or maybe bites was right and installation in legacy mode helped |
| 22:54.40 | nyov | ah, so an issue with GPT partition instead |
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| 23:17.05 | pldiem | btw thanks guys for you help! |
| 23:17.13 | pldiem | *your |
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| 23:25.32 | bites | pldiem: no problem. glad you got it working. uefi can be tricky sometimes, especially if the manufacturer locks settings. |
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