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| 00:18.51 | SerajewelKS | are tar incremental backups capable of handling files moved since the last snapshot without duplicating the entire file in a new incremental backup? |
| 00:19.14 | SerajewelKS | if not, is there a more-or-less standard backup tool that can accomplish that? |
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| 00:32.16 | awal1 | Impressed by mate-themes. Really polished. Using blue-menta variant :) |
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| 01:38.19 | aloo_shu | my hwclock is spring based, where can I find a driver? |
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| 01:41.04 | aypea[3] | hey. which direction do ip route metric preferences go? the bigger the number the higher the preference or the smaller the number? |
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| 01:46.43 | ryouma | SerajewelKS: great question. if tar cannot, then the only ones i know of are obnam and de-duplicating filesystems. or use rsync in rsnapshot and then manually do it with the likes of fdupes --hardlink or whatever it is. (but dunno if it will do metadata correctly.) |
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| 01:47.41 | ryouma | rsync and rsnapshot of course will do it correctly when you do /not/ move files |
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| 01:50.34 | ryouma | awal1: huh. maybe i should try xscreensaver again. seemed too bloated. slock is great but the combination of running it and turning off monitor crashes when run from cron, even though works when run manually. |
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| 01:54.41 | awal1 | ryouma, I almost use 'xtrlock' for usuall locks; xscreensaver rarely |
| 01:55.05 | awal1 | well, xtrlock doesn't hide the screen , it just lock it |
| 01:55.20 | awal1 | i like that feature |
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| 01:56.06 | awal1 | i can still watching my movie and don't care about my cat :D |
| 01:57.20 | awal1 | my naughty cat may execute su and root passw :P |
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| 02:02.18 | awal1 | ryouma, try 'lxlock' |
| 02:02.36 | awal1 | lxde stuuf are usually lightweight and works nice |
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| 02:08.04 | ryouma | i'll look into both, but i prefer hiding it too |
| 02:08.51 | ryouma | no cat-detector for linux i gather |
| 02:10.26 | ryouma | lxlock not a package in jessie i see; xtrlock not have hide option i guess |
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| 03:19.32 | n4dir | blkid gives this output for a usb-stick: /dev/sdb1: UUID="2018-07-14-11-12-41-00" LABEL="Debian 9.5.0 i386 n" TYPE="iso9660" PTUUID="3ad8b859" PTTYPE="dos" PARTUUID="3ad8b859-01" |
| 03:20.12 | n4dir | the UUID looks like a timestamp, and it looks weird to me. Do i have to think twice, or can i just put it in fstab? |
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| 03:42.48 | n4dir | anyway: i want to put a chroot on a usb-stick. I used debootstrap, installed a kernel, did adduser, cp'ed /proc/mounts host to mtab chroot and cp'ed hosts. cp'ed fstab and copied it. |
| 03:42.59 | n4dir | can't think of anything obvious i missed. |
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| 03:56.17 | ryouma | n4dir: try more than blkid? |
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| 04:18.04 | SerajewelKS | how can i get to the kernel ring buffer when dmesg isn't readable? |
| 04:18.08 | SerajewelKS | some node in /proc? |
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| 04:20.28 | annadane | "why isn't dmesg readable?" |
| 04:21.25 | SerajewelKS | because / is on a raid10 that apparently both disks in one set failed out of the array |
| 04:22.04 | SerajewelKS | it's a backup server so it's not critical but i'm not physically there so i'm trying to determine what happened as best i can before i can physically get to the server tomorrow |
| 04:23.08 | SerajewelKS | bonus points if anyone can tell me how to reassemble the array read-only without access to mdadm ;) |
| 04:24.01 | SerajewelKS | basically i have no tools except builtins |
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| 04:27.01 | SerajewelKS | lol okay so all of the disks are detached somehow. /dev/sd* doesn't exist anymore. i have no idea how this system is even still running. |
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| 04:29.41 | SerajewelKS | what i'm really interested in is the kernel ringbuffer |
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| 04:33.25 | elwisp | i have Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt --fix-broken install' with no packages (or specify a solution) |
| 04:33.37 | elwisp | but i do not want to install these packages, how do i discard it? |
| 04:34.01 | elwisp | this was from installing a downloaded package that it turns out that i did not need |
| 04:34.10 | SerajewelKS | elwisp: uninstall that package |
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| 04:37.03 | elwisp | SerajewelKS: thanks a bunch! |
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| 04:44.00 | SerajewelKS | elwisp: np |
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| 04:45.38 | annadane | SerajewelKS, i am way too much of a moron to answer you but there may be some experts on the mailing list |
| 04:45.43 | annadane | debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 04:45.50 | annadane | it's also late at night for na folks |
| 04:46.06 | n4dir | and way too early in europe. |
| 04:48.18 | diogenes_ | âLinus Torvalds takes a break from Linux |
| 04:48.28 | kopper | Old news |
| 04:48.52 | annadane | also off topic |
| 04:48.55 | nyov | Finally gonna build a great microkernel? :D |
| 04:49.03 | annadane | (especially when someone has a support question) |
| 04:49.15 | diogenes_ | ) |
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| 04:52.32 | nyov | SerajewelKS: I only know "echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/dmesg_restrict" to relax dmesg buffer reads ;) |
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| 04:55.01 | nyov | SerajewelKS: perhaps you can download a 'dmesg' binary onto that system |
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| 04:57.46 | nyov | (and you should just be able to mount a new /proc anywhere) |
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| 07:42.57 | stevenm | hey if I use 'echo package package/string boolean true | debconf-set-selections' on a particular package then it doesn't seem to prevent the dialog box from popping up - just instead change which option is highlighted by default |
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| 07:43.24 | stevenm | e.g. if you set false before installing then when the dialog pops up the 'No' button is highlighted - if set to true then the 'Yes' is highlighted |
| 07:43.39 | stevenm | anyway to get the dialog box not to show up at all (short of making apt non-interactive entirely) |
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| 07:48.09 | Fox | stevenm: did you try `DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt ...` |
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| 07:53.34 | stevenm | Fox, no i haven't - but you can see what I just said about that |
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| 08:02.09 | Fox | stevenm: you should use debconf-set-selections AND set DEBIAN_FRONTEND to noninteractive for that to work if I remember correctly |
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| 08:46.44 | lupulo | Hi |
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| 08:49.19 | tdn | How do I get a list of all the entries in my "Games" menu in xfce? |
| 08:51.29 | likcoras | Uninstall them |
| 08:51.59 | nyov | tdn: depends on what is building that list in the first place |
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| 08:54.53 | nyov | tdn: perhaps this will help; https://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/menu.html/ch7.html#s7.1 |
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| 08:56.29 | tdn | nyov, update-menus --stdout produces empty output |
| 08:56.45 | tdn | nyov, I do not know how the list is being build |
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| 09:00.59 | nyov | tdn: look for '*.desktop' desktop entry files then |
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| 09:02.02 | nyov | you might find stuff in /var/lib/menu-xdg/applications/menu-xdg/ or ~/.local/share/applications/menu-xdg/ |
| 09:02.15 | nyov | or even in ~/Desktop/ |
| 09:02.36 | tdn | ls: cannot access '/var/lib/menu-xdg/applications/menu-xdg/': No such file or directory |
| 09:02.46 | tdn | nyov, nothing in ~/Desktop |
| 09:02.54 | tdn | nyov, this is in the Applications menu |
| 09:03.03 | tdn | nyov, it is there for all users. It is a standard thing. |
| 09:03.10 | tdn | nyov, it has System, Accessories, Games, etc. |
| 09:03.32 | nyov | tdn: sorry, no idea what builds that menu on xfce |
| 09:03.45 | tdn | nyov, if I could take a screenshot of the menu that would even be fine. However, I cannot focus any other window without having the menu disappear |
| 09:04.03 | tdn | nyov, what if I install a different wm? It does not have to be xfce |
| 09:04.06 | nyov | that wouldn't help anything |
| 09:04.10 | tdn | I will install kde if it is possible there. |
| 09:05.05 | tdn | Can I then get a list of all installed apackges that are "games"? Ie. they are in some "games" category? |
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| 09:08.50 | nyov | tdn: can you find them in /usr/share/menu/ ? |
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| 09:11.24 | tdn | nyov, yes |
| 09:12.14 | nyov | awesome |
| 09:12.40 | nyov | tdn: if they are all in there, you can parse those files |
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| 09:12.49 | tdn | nyov, there are only few it seems. |
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| 09:14.48 | nyov | well. if they are not desktop files, and not menu files, Idk where they might hide |
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| 09:16.51 | tdn | nyov, I guess Ill have to take an actual photo of the monitor :| |
| 09:17.11 | nyov | and then? |
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| 09:20.20 | jelly | uh, two hot and sour soups? |
| 09:20.33 | nyov | and then? |
| 09:20.38 | nyov | :D |
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| 09:20.51 | neoclust | hello |
| 09:20.51 | nyov | and THEN? |
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| 09:21.21 | nyov | tdn: to find anything game related in /usr/share/menu/, you can do this: `find /usr/share/menu/ -type f -exec grep -l Games {} \;` |
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| 09:22.00 | nyov | tdn: to hunt down any Desktop files, you can try this: find ~/ -type f -iname '*.desktop' |
| 09:22.18 | nyov | can't help you any more than this, sorry |
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| 09:34.24 | tdn | nyov, that is what I did |
| 09:34.33 | tdn | nyov, but I ended up taking a photo of the screen |
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| 09:37.49 | dionysus69 | I have this problem with installing nginx-extras, any ideas? http://paste.debian.net/1043069/ |
| 09:38.01 | dionysus69 | this is the first time I have such error |
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| 09:40.17 | nyov | dionysus69: do you have backports in your sources.list? |
| 09:40.24 | babilen | dpkg: bat |
| 09:40.25 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 09:40.43 | babilen | dpkg: As always ^^ check out "apt-cache policy ..." for the packages in question and paste that too |
| 09:40.44 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, babilen |
| 09:40.56 | babilen | dionysus69: As always ^^ check out "apt-cache policy ..." for the packages in question and paste that too |
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| 09:42.46 | dionysus69 | babilen: here it is :) http://paste.debian.net/1043070/ |
| 09:43.04 | dionysus69 | nyov: I do have backports yes |
| 09:44.33 | babilen | dionysus69: That seems to be missing the command output of apt-cache policy for the packages in question |
| 09:44.51 | babilen | Please note the "ALL OF THE FOLLOWING" |
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| 09:45.12 | babilen | My guess would be that you have to pull it in from backports because you have nginx installed from there already, but *shrug* |
| 09:45.16 | dionysus69 | http://paste.debian.net/1043071/ |
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| 09:45.38 | dionysus69 | I dont remembering installing nginx from backports really |
| 09:46.18 | babilen | Well .. we would know if you were to pay attention to 2. ;) |
| 09:46.24 | dionysus69 | thats for nginxc http://paste.debian.net/1043073 |
| 09:46.42 | babilen | There we go |
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| 09:46.45 | dionysus69 | :D |
| 09:47.12 | babilen | Problem solved :) |
| 09:47.27 | dionysus69 | so, does this imply that I have nginx from backports? thats the problem? |
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| 09:47.35 | annadane | it has 'bpo' in the name, so yes |
| 09:47.41 | babilen | I wouldn't call it a problem, but that's the underlying reason, yes |
| 09:47.44 | dionysus69 | I dont see why I would install nginx from backports |
| 09:47.56 | babilen | I can assure you that it wasn't me |
| 09:47.57 | dionysus69 | hmm ok at least I figured, thanks lots :) |
| 09:48.01 | dionysus69 | :D |
| 09:48.39 | babilen | Feel free to dive into /var/log/apt/* and correlate that with your personal schedule |
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| 09:49.12 | annadane | also as root if you're truly curious "history | grep nginx" |
| 09:50.08 | annadane | or otherwise aptitude why nginx |
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| 09:50.30 | babilen | You'd always have to explicitly pull it in from backports |
| 09:50.38 | annadane | ah all right |
| 09:50.49 | annadane | yeah i'd have a hard time thinking of what would drag it in |
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| 09:55.22 | pldiem1 | hi |
| 09:55.44 | pldiem1 | I have Nvidia optimus in my laptop |
| 09:56.03 | pldiem1 | yesterday we tried to attach external monitor via HDMI without luck |
| 09:56.12 | pldiem1 | suggestion was to try mini DP |
| 09:56.25 | pldiem1 | I do have cable today and doesn't work as well |
| 09:56.44 | pldiem1 | does anyone know what to do? |
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| 09:58.29 | peanatsu | hi. I have a pc without monitor (but with mouse and keyboard attached) and try to use my phone as a substitute monitor. |
| 09:59.09 | peanatsu | I thought I could use tigervnc and then android vnc viewer, but for some reasone that does not allow me to use my keyboard and mouse (it only accepts input from my phone) |
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| 10:00.44 | peanatsu | is it possible to have tigervnc recieve input from local peripherals? alternative would be x11vnc, but I couldnt get Xorg to run headless for some reason.. |
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| 10:10.59 | pldiem1 | continuing my question, when I do lspci -v |
| 10:11.20 | pldiem1 | I can see Unknown header type 7f under VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA... |
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| 10:18.13 | pldiem1 | anyone? |
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| 10:20.21 | petn-randall | pldiem1: Have you already tried setting up bumblebee? |
| 10:20.23 | petn-randall | !optimus |
| 10:20.23 | dpkg | The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <wheezy-backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 10:21.06 | pldiem1 | yes, I do have bumblebee |
| 10:21.48 | pldiem1 | optirun glxgears works fine |
| 10:21.48 | petn-randall | pldiem1: And you set it up like in the wiki? |
| 10:21.54 | muAdmDev | back at my cronjob problem "cronjob arbitrarily not run". In auth.log there is always a pam_unix "session closed" missing, when the cron didn't run |
| 10:22.06 | muAdmDev | I recognised that my cron is more like not run, when other cronjobss are started too. |
| 10:22.22 | petn-randall | muAdmDev: What is the exact line you're trying to run with cron? |
| 10:23.05 | pldiem1 | petn-randall: wiki says only about "sudo apt-get install bumblebee primus" |
| 10:23.22 | pldiem1 | and I have done thta |
| 10:23.49 | pldiem1 | sorry I also did 'sudo adduser $USER bumblebee" |
| 10:24.11 | muAdmDev | petn-randall: it's independent of the specific job, since we saw this behavior for all of them. my test case now is every minute " |
| 10:25.09 | muAdmDev | https://pastebin.com/gkyCrf9t |
| 10:25.47 | muAdmDev | line from crontab -l "* * * * * /root/crons/testCronTouchEveryMin.sh >> /var/log/testCron.log" |
| 10:26.02 | pldiem1 | lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\] <- returns nothing |
| 10:26.53 | petn-randall | muAdmDev: Missing newline at the end of the line? |
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| 10:28.30 | petn-randall | ... at the end of the crontab entry? |
| 10:29.01 | petn-randall | That's one typical error, the other is expecting any environment vars (e.g. $PATH) to be set. |
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| 10:32.10 | TvL2386 | muAdmDev: I would also append: 2>> /var/log/testCron.stderr |
| 10:32.20 | muAdmDev | petn-randall: already went through typical mistakes last week. also env stuff, using absolute paths... further it not the case that the crons are never run. e.g. a cronjob every 5 minutes fails around 2-3 times per hour. a cronjob every minute fails 5-6 times per hour |
| 10:33.17 | petn-randall | muAdmDev: Fails how? What's the logging output? |
| 10:33.34 | muAdmDev | TvL2386: thx, I guess i'd get those via e-mail due to MAILTO... |
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| 10:34.02 | TvL2386 | muAdmDev: You should also see a line in /var/log/syslog when cron is executing something |
| 10:34.10 | muAdmDev | petn-randall: it just isn't run (concerning to cron.log) there is no error, checked every log |
| 10:34.39 | TvL2386 | muAdmDev: Sep 18 12:30:01 server01 CRON[2775]: (root) CMD (/usr/bin..................) |
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| 10:34.49 | petn-randall | muAdmDev: So you mean is just silently skips it 5-6 times an hour? |
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| 10:35.29 | muAdmDev | TvL2386: yes, it's also logged to syslog, I know |
| 10:35.57 | muAdmDev | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:36.39 | petn-randall | muAdmDev: What OS release is this? |
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| 10:37.15 | muAdmDev | petn-randall: as I said above, only one thing may be suspicious. in auth.log there is always one "CRON[16876]: pam_unix(cron:session): session closed for user root" missing, when the cronjob is not run |
| 10:37.50 | muAdmDev | petn-randall: debian 9.5 (3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.51-3 (2017-12-13) x86_64 GNU/Linux) |
| 10:38.09 | TvL2386 | muAdmDev: maybe I'm missing it, but do you have evidence (in /var/log/syslog) that the cronjob is started or is it missing completely |
| 10:39.35 | muAdmDev | TvL2386: it just not run (or logged). entry is missing in cron.log and also in syslog. another cronjob (every 5 minutes) is run at the same time... |
| 10:39.44 | TvL2386 | ah check |
| 10:40.33 | TvL2386 | if I were you, I'd investigate to see if I can stop the cron daemon and start it with debugging and in the foreground |
| 10:40.49 | muAdmDev | ok, good stuff |
| 10:41.12 | TvL2386 | might give you new pointers |
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| 10:45.36 | petn-randall | muAdmDev: The kernel version does not match stretch. |
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| 10:49.33 | muAdmDev | petn-randall: I just realized, that the kernel-update was kept back... so how do I force the kernel update? |
| 10:50.05 | petn-randall | muAdmDev: 'apt update && apt upgrade', then reboot. |
| 10:50.20 | annadane | and not dist-upgrade? |
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| 10:51.03 | petn-randall | annadane: 'apt-get upgrade' will not install new packages, 'apt upgrade' will. |
| 10:51.15 | annadane | oh, righto. i should know this. |
| 10:51.27 | petn-randall | 'apt-get dist-upgrade' will also remove packages to fullfil the dependencies. |
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| 10:55.52 | muAdmDev | thx so far guys, this one has been really (and still is) a pain in the ass |
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| 11:18.03 | jelly | !kernels |
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| 11:37.02 | YesMan | Hello |
| 11:38.51 | YesMan | I was investigating boot time on my newly installed Debian 9 CLI only. 30+ seconds to boot after grub while a rasbian take a handful of second to do so. |
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| 11:42.07 | YesMan | Looking at journalctl using -p 4 argument I see various kernel messages about TSC warp between cores (over 4billion cycles). The machine is a Dell Inspiron 6400/E1501 with a Celeron Duo CPU. The bios is in the latest version |
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| 11:43.07 | YesMan | Is there a way to fix the cores sync issues or is it a bios bug? |
| 11:44.10 | abrotman | Did you look for an updated bios? |
| 11:44.18 | RoyK | YesMan: are using ssd or spinning rust on the Inspiron? |
| 11:44.46 | YesMan | Yes I did install the latest bios available for my system, and yes it is running from an HDD |
| 11:45.02 | RoyK | 5400rpm? |
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| 11:45.21 | RoyK | smartctl -i /dev/sda should tell |
| 11:45.33 | petn-randall | YesMan: That's probably the reason it takes longer. The Raspbian images only contain modules for that specific hardware, whereas the Debian kernel contains a lot more. |
| 11:46.08 | RoyK | petn-randall: also - although lots of sd(micro) cards are slow, they are never as slow as an hdd for random i/o ;) |
| 11:46.31 | petn-randall | RoyK: indeed. |
| 11:46.55 | petn-randall | YesMan: You can also run 'systemd-analyze critical-chain' on the Dell machine, and share it with us on https://paste.debian.net. |
| 11:48.34 | YesMan | RoyK: Most likely it is a laptop from 2006. I'm not sure how to check that on linux, and the HDD is not easily accessible |
| 11:49.42 | jelly | YesMan: what's the uptime on that machine, when did yoo last power it off and then on? |
| 11:49.56 | jelly | (not just reboot) |
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| 11:50.23 | YesMan | Not much a few hours |
| 11:50.48 | jelly | tsc overflow can happen in some situations after long uptime and soft reboot, but if it's just a few hours that's not it then |
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| 11:55.22 | YesMan | petn-randall: here's the critical chain dump https://pastebin.com/VaCK0Aqu |
| 11:57.35 | YesMan | It was running windows seven yesterday, and I've been using it for a week or so, and it had not been powered on since 2013 before that. But it was safely stored in a nice pouch for all this time |
| 11:58.03 | petn-randall | YesMan: It looks like a completely normal bootup time to me. |
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| 11:59.42 | RoyK | YesMan: I also run windows from time to time - old habit - I also bang my head in concrete occationally, just for the fun of it |
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| 12:00.34 | YesMan | Windows 7 took about the same time for a reboot from the desktop, while debian without any GUI take that time from grub. But the thing that bothers me is the poor performances under cinnamon despite hardware acceleration |
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| 12:02.08 | YesMan | So I went ahead and reinstalled debian with minimal packages from the netinstall image. |
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| 12:05.47 | YesMan | I'd like to use that machine as a server, and I would like to make it as reliable as possible before that. From what I undestance with the TSC clock disabled the multicore performance is severly compromised |
| 12:05.52 | jelly | YesMan: eh, it's possible the hardware is failing in unusual ways |
| 12:06.40 | YesMan | I used on windows without any issue, it was performing quite well despite the lackluster hardware |
| 12:06.40 | jelly | powered off for 5 years, did you at least clean the fans properly and maybe reapplied thermal paste |
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| 12:07.25 | YesMan | I did not reapply any thermal paste, but the laptop is as clean as it can be, and the temp under workload were nominal |
| 12:07.39 | jelly | nod |
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| 12:10.02 | YesMan | I'll reinstall windows 7 and look for the TSC behavior, but I really don't think there's anything wrong with the hardware, and it was stored very well. |
| 12:10.12 | slax0r | no thermal paste? do you hate your cpu? |
| 12:10.39 | YesMan | I mean I did not replace it |
| 12:10.43 | slax0r | oh |
| 12:11.09 | YesMan | It's a laptop a the case is badly designed, you'd have to take everything apart to service it properly |
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| 12:11.55 | slax0r | laptops are crazy today, I had to take apart my whole laptop to add RAM |
| 12:12.38 | YesMan | HP pro laptops can be openned with a single switch and allow you to access anything, that's really neat |
| 12:12.39 | diogenes_ | slax0r, it's not laptops, it's manufacturers :) |
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| 12:13.20 | slax0r | diogenes_: well, yes |
| 12:13.23 | slax0r | manufacturers make laptops |
| 12:13.56 | YesMan | petn-randall: Red lines in critical chain are the worst offenders in boot time? |
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| 12:14.46 | RoyK | YesMan: smartctl works on machines from that time too |
| 12:16.17 | YesMan | The thing that worries me the most is that dual core desync, I can leave with a long boot delay as once the setup is done it won't matter |
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| 12:17.45 | YesMan | And the piss poor cinnamon performance (I'll need it for some game server) |
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| 12:23.03 | YesMan | here's the journalctl dump https://pastebin.com/E5g1zycb |
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| 12:47.38 | petn-randall | YesMan: red lines mean that it's part of the chain that other services wait on it. The time after the "+" is how long it's being waited on. |
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| 12:53.30 | YesMan | petn-randall: Thanks |
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| 12:54.14 | petn-randall | YesMan: And 25 seconds to boot completely normal. I'm assuming you installed a GUI, too? |
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| 12:55.01 | YesMan | Yeah I manually installed Cinnamon however I don't start it on boot, I manually startx |
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| 12:56.00 | petn-randall | YesMan: It probably tries to start, but fails. |
| 12:56.30 | YesMan | Honestly since I fixed a bunch of warning about LVM & some wififirmware missing boot time is not that bad, before that it was 35+. |
| 12:57.04 | YesMan | petn-randall: what is responsible for the launch of the xserver? |
| 12:57.22 | petn-randall | YesMan: You could remove avahi-daemons, and shave off another second or so. But if it's a gaming server, would you be booting it that often? |
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| 12:59.50 | YesMan | Some gameserver (AAPG) seems to require steam client to run it. Maybe it's only for setup, I will see. I'm not too worried about boot time. I did configure wake on lan so the server will only be running when needed but 25sec is not that bad |
| 13:00.35 | petn-randall | YesMan: You could buy a SSD and half that time, but other than that I don't see you pulling that number down significantly. |
| 13:00.45 | petn-randall | s/half/halve/ |
| 13:01.02 | YesMan | It's TSC clock thing that worries me, I can't find much on it and I'm not sure how it interact with debian, can it be the result of bad config or driver problem or is it a bios problem |
| 13:02.10 | YesMan | I went to look at the journalctl thing because of the boot time, thanks to that I was able to fix some drivers issues, I'd like to solve every kernel message before moving on |
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| 13:02.53 | YesMan | The two things I'm looking into now is the Duplicate ACPI video bus problem and the core synchronisation |
| 13:03.08 | YesMan | There barely anything about that online |
| 13:03.12 | YesMan | 's* |
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| 13:10.32 | HardlyHardware | Is grabbing WIFI drivers offline fairly straight forwarD? |
| 13:10.47 | HardlyHardware | Sorry I should google the solution first I know. |
| 13:11.42 | HardlyHardware | Non free Wifi drivers. |
| 13:12.03 | HardlyHardware | Half tempted to just pull the WIFI card out and try and get a Libre supported one |
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| 13:13.26 | nyov | with a wlan-cable it's fairly easy to grab wifi-drivers off the line |
| 13:13.29 | petn-randall | YesMan: If you don't see any issue, I'd assume any warnings/errors are cosmetical in the kernel log. |
| 13:14.06 | n4dir | what is a wlan cable ? |
| 13:14.19 | HardlyHardware | n4dir: thats what I was thinking |
| 13:14.42 | n4dir | they invent new stuff every day to scare the guts out of me ... :-) |
| 13:15.22 | nyov | D: |
| 13:16.01 | HardlyHardware | n4dir: scary part is it happens so fast even the people making it don't understand the full repercussions. "It'll be fine don't worry" |
| 13:16.03 | nyov | no-free drivers are all pulled in by firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 13:16.12 | nyov | (pretty much) |
| 13:16.30 | n4dir | HardlyHardware: :-) |
| 13:17.42 | nyov | HardlyHardware: sorry for the joke. do you a pci-id for your hardware? |
| 13:17.46 | nyov | *have |
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| 13:18.12 | nyov | then you could just download the deb package from the website |
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| 13:18.26 | nyov | and install it from usb or some such |
| 13:19.35 | petn-randall | HardlyHardware: Do you already have the system installed? If not, you can use: |
| 13:19.42 | petn-randall | !firmware images |
| 13:19.42 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>. |
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| 13:20.24 | HardlyHardware | ah okay |
| 13:20.29 | HardlyHardware | Not installed yet |
| 13:20.35 | HardlyHardware | I do have the PCI-ID |
| 13:20.42 | superlinux | hello. with respect to debian testing "buster" when it's supposed to be stable? do you know an estimated date you can tell me? I just want to see whether I can upgrade my desktop to it |
| 13:20.47 | HardlyHardware | I created the USB for installing already but |
| 13:21.02 | HardlyHardware | The Wifi card isn't libre supported |
| 13:21.30 | nyov | as is usually the case. *sigh* |
| 13:21.33 | superlinux | .. whether it's OK to upgrade now or should I wait? |
| 13:21.35 | nyov | these wifi vendors |
| 13:22.11 | nyov | superlinux: if you can, use backports. testing is a moving target |
| 13:22.16 | petn-randall | HardlyHardware: Most firmware is not free software, right. But you have two options: 1) Throw away the wifi device, and buy a fully libre one, or 2) Install the non-free firmware, which is just a newer version of what is already burned-in on the device. |
| 13:22.19 | nyov | as in, can break any time |
| 13:22.48 | superlinux | nyov, Ah! yes.. I forgot about backports. thanks |
| 13:23.05 | petn-randall | superlinux: No, buster is not released, and is still a volatile, fast-moving suite. Only update if you want to help with testing, fixing, and debugging the upcoming release. |
| 13:23.10 | nyov | superlinux: no release date had been set for buster |
| 13:23.18 | petn-randall | !wwbr |
| 13:23.19 | dpkg | Debian 10 "Buster" start the <freeze> process on 2019-01-12 and should release mid-2019. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2018/04/msg00006.html |
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| 13:23.43 | nyov | well. tentative |
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| 13:23.53 | nyov | let's aim for early 2020 ;) |
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| 13:24.14 | superlinux | petn-randall, I just want to update my glibc because I want to use android NDK like the book I read from |
| 13:24.42 | HardlyHardware | petn-randall: I think i'll have to go Non free first then get a libre card later on. |
| 13:24.59 | HardlyHardware | Kinda doesn't make much sense to get the libre card for a laptop with a cracked screen |
| 13:25.41 | HardlyHardware | Cracked Glass screen. LCD is fine |
| 13:26.08 | n4dir | superlinux: i am not familiar with android NDK, but perhaps a debian-testing chroot will do that job, and else you can keep stable ? |
| 13:26.15 | superlinux | I mean like what the book says.. It uses ubuntu ( i know the difference of course) but the glibc used is 2.7 . debian uses older 2.24 |
| 13:26.19 | HardlyHardware | Be nice to get Full Libre support.... short of replacing the BIOS of course |
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| 13:27.01 | nyov | superlinux: why would you need a newer glibc for NDK? |
| 13:27.22 | nyov | don't you have to compile it anyway |
| 13:27.23 | superlinux | I don't know.. this is what the book says |
| 13:27.38 | jelly | superlinux: 2.7 is smaller than 2.24 |
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| 13:28.17 | nyov | ,i google-android-ndk-installer |
| 13:28.18 | judd | Package google-android-ndk-installer (contrib/devel, optional) in stretch/amd64: Google Android Native Development Kit (NDK) Installer. Version: 12.b+1; Size: 4.2k; Installed: 27k; Homepage: https://developer.android.com/about/index.html |
| 13:28.24 | jelly | superlinux: https://sourceware.org/glibc/wiki/Glibc%20Timeline |
| 13:29.54 | superlinux | Ah! I thought, jelly, it's other way around . hehe! |
| 13:30.03 | superlinux | my bad |
| 13:30.10 | jelly | 2 = 2, 7 < 24 |
| 13:30.24 | superlinux | looks like i am tired now |
| 13:30.26 | superlinux | :) |
| 13:30.54 | petn-randall | HardlyHardware: It's a nice idea, but impossible on x86 hardware. |
| 13:31.08 | superlinux | it's my leave time. thanks fellows |
| 13:31.11 | superlinux | bye |
| 13:31.22 | HardlyHardware | petn-randall: Nothing's full libre though is it? |
| 13:31.29 | HardlyHardware | ARM's not full Libre |
| 13:31.39 | petn-randall | HardlyHardware: You could get full libre software on ARM. |
| 13:32.00 | HardlyHardware | Really? |
| 13:32.06 | jelly | _software_ |
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| 13:32.34 | jelly | not necessarily firmware |
| 13:32.34 | nyov | does depend on the ARM machine, no? one bad chip (like wifi) and it's over again |
| 13:32.41 | nyov | oh okay |
| 13:32.58 | jelly | or buy that $3000 risc-v board |
| 13:33.14 | HardlyHardware | $3000 :O |
| 13:33.54 | jelly | freedom costs. |
| 13:35.00 | jelly | oh sorry, there's a fpga that can only be programmed using non-free tools |
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| 13:45.39 | n4dir | the machines listed at gnu.org "recommended complete systems" can not be considered fully free? |
| 13:46.22 | colo-work | probably not really; there's non-free firmware in _everything_ |
| 13:46.37 | n4dir | i mainly think of graphic cards and wireless network cars, else i have to use the machines i get for free anyway. |
| 13:47.58 | n4dir | as i understand that site lists such, but i don't care enough about the subject (for said reason). |
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| 14:01.31 | pingfloyd | colo-work: "These distros are ready-to-use full systems whose developers have made a commitment to follow the Guidelines for Free System Distributions. This means they will include, and propose, exclusively free software. They will reject nonfree applications, nonfree programming platforms, nonfree drivers, *** nonfree firmware âblobsâ ***, nonfree games, and any other nonfree software, as well as nonfree |
| 14:01.32 | pingfloyd | manuals or documentation." |
| 14:03.54 | colo-work | pingfloyd, that's certainly true, but anyone who sells you a complete PC-like system will also sell you, tightly packaged with it, some form of obscure BLOB. it may hide in the CPU (microcode), or in the storage medium (host interface controller firmware), or somewhere else - but it most definitely will be there. |
| 14:05.16 | themill | pingfloyd: it's also the hardware page not the distro page that is being discussed. https://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/systems |
| 14:06.06 | themill | (and take the very first entry there, has a Core 2 Duo P8400 processor in it that needs non-free microcode from Intel) |
| 14:07.43 | aaii | Whats best Internet download manager for debian? |
| 14:08.08 | aaii | *Best -> Fastest |
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| 14:08.59 | nemo | aaii: huh. people still use those? |
| 14:09.15 | nemo | aaii: kinda figured most folks just rely on browser builtin download management, or maybe an extension like DownThemAll for pros |
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| 14:10.03 | nemo | aaii: I guess the key feature for you is splitting and simultaneous fetch eh |
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| 14:10.22 | nemo | aaii: as usual "fastest" at that point is a balance between your connection and # of simultaneous the remote site allows |
| 14:10.25 | nemo | without banning ð |
| 14:11.25 | nemo | aaii: anyway. that was a blast from past. totally forgot about those things. no idea about your question though. |
| 14:11.29 | nemo | aaii: https://alternativeto.net/software/internet-download-manager/?platform=linux perhaps ⺠|
| 14:11.56 | Habbie | down the mall! |
| 14:12.36 | nemo | happening all over the country thanks to amazon |
| 14:14.23 | aaii | nemo, What a LONG ANSWER :D thanks , i just want download file but faster than download mager on chromiom |
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| 14:18.40 | nyov | 1. curl |
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| 14:18.41 | nyov | 2. wget |
| 14:18.42 | nemo | aaii: ah. haven't used chrome in ages. but yeah speeding up download is *USUALLY* done by abusing the remote server - that is, remote server is probably rate limited based on all the other users so download managers are mostly just "cheating" by pretending to be like 4 or 10 or 20 users |
| 14:19.02 | nemo | nyov: both of those can totally emulate a download manager with a small amount of scripting - someone might have even written a shellscript for it |
| 14:19.20 | nemo | but yeah, download managers are kinda anti-social behaviour and do risk bans if done aggressively or if remote site is just paying attention |
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| 14:19.47 | jelly | aaii: a single file? lftp supports parallel connections for http and ftp. |
| 14:20.31 | nyov | lftp friggin sucks :( i hate that fork-to-background behaviour |
| 14:20.49 | nyov | ah. ignore me |
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| 14:21.16 | jelly | sorry, I can't afford to ignore, what with being an op |
| 14:21.17 | aaii | jelly, sometimes yeah |
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| 14:23.43 | n4dir | uget, kget and steadyflow are listed on a german site ( some others too, but i didn't find them in the debian repos). aaii |
| 14:24.17 | jelly | never heard about any of those, let alone used |
| 14:24.17 | aaii | n4dir, thanks but which faster? |
| 14:24.41 | n4dir | no clue. sorry. But you got some searchterms (well: i hope) |
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| 14:26.48 | n4dir | aria2 is mentioned too, also in the debian repos. |
| 14:29.29 | aaii | well i install uget now :) |
| 14:29.44 | muAdmDev | if someone remembers my problem "cronjob arbitrarily not running". update: updated the kernel, rebooted, problem still exists :( now running cron in foreground "cron -f -L 15". but not seeing more (helpful) info |
| 14:30.14 | greycat | Check the logs. /var/log/syslog should have CRON stuff. |
| 14:30.28 | nyov | muAdmDev: does it not tell you when it skips a job? |
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| 14:31.02 | nyov | I assume it logs to stdout then |
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| 14:31.47 | greycat | If the job is being executed at all, you should get a line in /var/log/syslog (unless you changed the logging configs). |
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| 14:32.18 | greycat | If it's being executed, but "nothing happens", then you will need to dig further into it. If the command is a shell script, usually turning on set -x will be helful. |
| 14:33.27 | muAdmDev | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:34.26 | muAdmDev | greycat: it's just not executed I'd say. if it's executed I see "CRON[2833]: (root) CMD..." and "CRON[2833]: (root) END..." in cron.log |
| 14:35.02 | greycat | You have a separate cron.log file? OK. That's fine. |
| 14:35.11 | muAdmDev | greycat: those entries are just missing every now and then |
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| 14:36.24 | greycat | Which version of Debian is this? What does your failing cron entry look like, and *where* is it? |
| 14:41.44 | muAdmDev | greycat: 9.5 - 4.9.0-8-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.110-3+deb9u4 (2018-08-21) x86_64 GNU/Linux. crontab-line: "* * * * * /root/crons/testCronTouchEveryMin.sh >> /var/log/testCron.log 2>> /var/log/testCron.stderr" |
| 14:42.03 | greycat | Is this in /etc/crontab, or in "crontab -e"? |
| 14:42.15 | petn-randall | muAdmDev: Is this running on virtualization of some sort? |
| 14:42.33 | muAdmDev | greycat: content: https://pastebin.com/NpqR0HNX |
| 14:42.49 | muAdmDev | greycat: crontab -e |
| 14:43.09 | muAdmDev | petn-randall: physical and no "time problems" afaik |
| 14:45.44 | greycat | What are you seeing in the logs? What are you seeing in whatever email box root's email is being forwarded to? |
| 14:47.12 | muAdmDev | greycat: the only (maybe) suspicious stuff is in auth.log. there are sessions opened for user "root" but not all of them are closed, when the cronjob did not run |
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| 14:47.28 | greycat | Are you saying it *sometimes* run? |
| 14:47.55 | muAdmDev | greycat: further there are always LDAP-Queries when a cronjob is run (even though those are local users, afaik this is normal behavior?) |
| 14:48.20 | SerajewelKS | muAdmDev: without specific extra config, every user login is checked against LDAP first |
| 14:48.38 | SerajewelKS | there's a mechanism to specify which users to skip LDAP lookups for |
| 14:48.40 | muAdmDev | greycat: most of the time it runs. in 1 hour it fails about 4-6 times (should run every minute) |
| 14:48.47 | petn-randall | greycat: The issue muAdmDev is having is that a cron job set to run every minute skips 5-6 times an hour, and they haven't found out why, yet. The job itself shouldn't run longer than a second. |
| 14:49.25 | muAdmDev | SerajewelKS: you mean "nss_initgroups_ignoreusers" in /etc/ldap/ldap.conf? |
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| 14:49.31 | petn-randall | SerajewelKS: Pretty sure you need specific extra config to check against ldap. |
| 14:50.01 | muAdmDev | petn-randall: it's a mixed env with local and LDAP-Users |
| 14:50.07 | SerajewelKS | petn-randall: yes, i'm assuming since he mentioned LDAP queries "even though those are local users" means that he is using pam-ldap / nss-ldap |
| 14:50.41 | SerajewelKS | muAdmDev: not just that file, IIRC you also need the same line in the pam-ldap and nss-ldap config files |
| 14:50.42 | petn-randall | Ah, ok. Didn't know LDAP was set up. |
| 14:51.25 | SerajewelKS | muAdmDev: if "getent passwd root" for example causes an ldap query when you don't want it to, then the option is not correctly configured, or not in the correct config file |
| 14:51.49 | muAdmDev | SerajewelKS: great, will check tha |
| 14:51.52 | muAdmDev | t |
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| 14:54.40 | SerajewelKS | muAdmDev: getent uses nss, so it would be the libnss-ldap config file. if you get a redundant query during authentication, that would be the pam-ldap config file. |
| 14:55.02 | n_1-c_k | As a renter of a "virtual private server" is there any point installing intel-microcode? |
| 14:55.19 | muAdmDev | SerajewelKS: /etc/pam_ldap.conf also contains "nss_initgroups_ignoreusers". had to put it in "/etc/libnss-ldap.conf" though |
| 14:55.29 | SerajewelKS | muAdmDev: (TBH i've never seen a need for libnss-ldap.conf and pam_ldap.conf to actually be different. i have them symlinked to each other!) |
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| 14:55.45 | SerajewelKS | well not to each other.. that would be a loop... but you know what i mean |
| 14:56.20 | SerajewelKS | n_1-c_k: if the server is indeed virtual, then no. you shouldn't even have the ability to update microcode on the physical host CPU. |
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| 14:56.36 | SerajewelKS | that would be a rather gaping security vulnerability |
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| 14:57.16 | n_1-c_k | SerajewelKS: thanks. Wanted to make sure the answer wasn't "Sure you should, everyone does that!" |
| 14:58.02 | muAdmDev | SerajewelKS: "getent passwd root" does not trigger an LDAP-query (anymore) |
| 14:58.44 | SerajewelKS | muAdmDev: nice |
| 14:59.51 | petn-randall | SerajewelKS: IIRC they microcode is signed, and the CPU checks the signature. |
| 15:00.17 | SerajewelKS | even still, you don't really want one guest doing a microcode upgrade on your infrastructure before you have the ability to test or anything |
| 15:00.45 | muAdmDev | SerajewelKS: but everytime before the cronjob is run "slapd[869]: conn=1154 fd=37 ACCEPT from PATH=/var/run/slapd/ldapi (PATH=/var/run/slapd/ldapi)" ... |
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| 15:01.15 | SerajewelKS | muAdmDev: you may need to restart nscd |
| 15:02.10 | SerajewelKS | (on the LDAP client, not the server) |
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| 15:04.58 | muAdmDev | SerajewelKS: slapd is a local replica of the ldap-master. restarted nscd, still got those queries to the local slapd before every cronjob is run |
| 15:05.06 | SerajewelKS | hmm |
| 15:05.27 | SerajewelKS | it might be because of lines that invoke ldap plugins under /etc/pam.d |
| 15:05.39 | SerajewelKS | though the pam_ldap.conf ignore line should take care of that... |
| 15:05.50 | SerajewelKS | you're wading into waters i'm not that familiar with so i may not be able to help much anymore |
| 15:06.30 | muAdmDev | SerajewelKS: thx so far, so I should investigate the ldap-config now, because it may be the reason for the crons to not run? |
| 15:08.54 | SerajewelKS | muAdmDev: i'd only suspect that if you see errors where the client can't connect to the server |
| 15:09.23 | SerajewelKS | but even still, that shouldn't cause failure. only delays until pam gives up trying ldap. |
| 15:09.48 | SerajewelKS | if pam can't talk to ldap the login doesn't fail (necessarily) it just acts like there are no ldap users. so if the user is local, all it could possibly do is delay the authentication attempt. |
| 15:09.49 | muAdmDev | SerajewelKS: I don't see any errors anywhere |
| 15:10.05 | SerajewelKS | i suppose if it delays by over a minute, that could result in the skips you're seeing though |
| 15:10.14 | muAdmDev | SerajewelKS: I just see that my cronjob is sometimes not run :( |
| 15:10.37 | SerajewelKS | but since you have an on-host ldap replica, connection/query errors seem unlikely |
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| 15:12.25 | SerajewelKS | if it won't cause any other issues you could disable ldap auth and see if that fixes it |
| 15:12.39 | SerajewelKS | of course that depends on you not requiring ldap auth for awhile |
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| 15:54.52 | dpkg | eats foo and falls over dead, courtesy of rootkea |
| 15:55.05 | dpkg | keeps mailing rootkea free America Online CDs until he drowns, courtesy of rootkea |
| 15:55.17 | annadane | uh... |
| 15:55.24 | rootkea | Oops sorry. |
| 15:56.11 | rootkea | I privately messaged dpkg. Didn't know it'll end up here. |
| 15:56.33 | petn-randall | Really depends on what you're sending the bot. :) |
| 15:57.28 | rootkea | petn-randall, It was lart. But now I wonder what other commands I should refrain from using in dpkg pm |
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| 16:12.15 | dpkg | acting on orders from an unspecified client drags rootkea into court suing for $200 million, courtesy of petn-randall |
| 16:13.17 | petn-randall | You do have to pass the channel as parameter, it's "lart <channel> <user>", so it comes at no surprise that it'll show up on a channel. |
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| 16:13.39 | petn-randall | rootkea: I offer you to settle this out of court for $100 million. ;) |
| 16:14.38 | rootkea | petn-randall, Thanks you for explaining. :) I take this to mean that any command which doesn't has channel name as a param in dpkg pm will not leak to #debian ;) |
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| 16:18.04 | petn-randall | rootkea: I'd assume so, yes. We have a very small amount of commands that would leak into a channel. lart and maybe !tell, I can't think of others right now. |
| 16:18.39 | fr0xk | Regarding bug=847937, I created a "/debian" directory for wished package |
| 16:19.13 | rootkea | runs to toy with all sorts of dpkg commands in pm |
| 16:19.16 | fr0xk | Anybody wishing to take maintainership of that package, feel free to mail me up |
| 16:19.33 | fr0xk | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=847937 |
| 16:19.34 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/847937 in wnpp (open): «RFP: lollypop -- Modern music player»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2016-12-12; last modified: 2018-04-03. |
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| 16:23.36 | bewantbe | Is Thunderbird (the Lightening extension) problem related in this channel? |
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| 16:26.03 | rootkea | bewantbe, if you are using TB on Debian then I suppose it's on topic. |
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| 16:40.34 | bewantbe | rootkea, yeah, I'm using Debian, and TB is installed through official repo. |
| 16:41.00 | rootkea | bewantbe, Then please just state the issue. |
| 16:41.37 | bewantbe | The problem is in the add-ons page, it says "lightning is incompatible with thunderbird 60.0. |
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| 16:42.38 | bewantbe | lightning version 5.4. sure it is not compatible. But how to safely (no lost of data) move to newer version of lightning? |
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| 16:43.24 | jelly | maybe just install the webextension build and configure it? |
| 16:43.51 | petn-randall | bewantbe: It's a known issue, since thunderbird was upgraded from 52 to 60 to fix security issues, several extensions broke. Another example is enigmail. |
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| 16:45.18 | bites | enigmail broke? seems to work for me. |
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| 16:46.19 | bites | oh, you mean the debian package? |
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| 16:47.40 | zumba_addict | any ipcalc gui recommendation? I'm looking for an software that also calculates cidr |
| 16:47.47 | jelly | not only is it a known issue, it was an issue that packaging team for mozilla software should have known in advance |
| 16:48.07 | bewantbe | petn-randall, any workaround? |
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| 16:52.37 | petn-randall | jelly: I agree, and I am also annoyed that the bug report, which was filed well in advance is just sitting there. |
| 16:52.59 | petn-randall | bewantbe: You can uninstall the package, and just install the extension via mozilla. |
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| 16:53.47 | petn-randall | bewantbe: Tools â Addons â Extensions, then search for it. |
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| 16:54.46 | bewantbe | That page says the add-on is not compatible with my version of TB. |
| 16:55.28 | bewantbe | Or should I uninstall first, and the search result will be different? petn-randall |
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| 16:56.23 | petn-randall | bewantbe: It's referring to the installed version, which is incompatible, yes. |
| 16:56.34 | petn-randall | bewantbe: Remove the package, then search for it, as I said. |
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| 16:58.59 | bewantbe | petn-randall, Oh thank you, it solved----by merely uninstall the old one, the new one is already installed (and in effect after restart TB). |
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| 17:29.37 | pldiem1 | I am still fighting with an external monitor, does anyone know why xrandr might not list my ports (HDMI, miniDP)? |
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| 17:30.04 | SerajewelKS | pldiem1: maybe X isn't using the right driver, or the driver doesn't support it? |
| 17:30.44 | pldiem1 | do you know how can I check that? or how to switch driver? |
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| 17:32.07 | rant | pldiem1: xdriinfo |
| 17:32.35 | rant | pldiem1: switching driver requires install of another and removal of the one you dont want or making an xorg config and restarting xorg |
| 17:32.36 | pldiem1 | Screen 0: i965 |
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| 17:32.42 | rant | same thing mine says |
| 17:32.59 | pldiem1 | do you use external monitor? |
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| 17:33.29 | rant | I have the Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4300U CPU @ 1.90GHz 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0a16] (rev 0b) |
| 17:33.37 | rant | and I'm using the built in screen |
| 17:33.50 | rant | I have a mini dp to hdmi adapter and a tv, but I havent tested it yet |
| 17:33.51 | greycat | Hmm, dpkg doesn't know what an i965 is yet? |
| 17:35.08 | pldiem1 | greycat: is that a question? |
| 17:35.19 | greycat | 13:33 ->[dpkg] msgi965 |
| 17:35.19 | greycat | 13:33 <-dpkg[~dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg] are you using Windows?, greycat |
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| 17:36.27 | greycat | Is your i965 chipset actually supported in stretch? Which CPU/GPU is it exactly? (lspci -nn) |
| 17:37.07 | rant | pldiem1: (lscpu | grep Model\ ; lspci -nn | grep VGA) | tr '\n' ' ' |
| 17:37.40 | rant | mine works fine in stretch and I haven't configured anything |
| 17:38.48 | pldiem1 | lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 17:38.56 | pldiem1 | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:3e9b] |
| 17:38.56 | pldiem1 | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GP107M [GeForce GTX 1050 Mobile] [10de:1c8d] (rev a1) |
| 17:39.07 | greycat | !optimus |
| 17:39.08 | dpkg | The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <wheezy-backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:39.08 | rant | ah.. you have optimus apparently |
| 17:39.24 | rant | mine is just plain ol intel |
| 17:39.38 | greycat | And that's where my knowledge ends. |
| 17:39.52 | pldiem1 | yes, but I don't care about nvidia, I just want my laptop to work with an external monitor :) |
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| 17:40.24 | SerajewelKS | good luck with bumblebee. a coworker has an optimus laptop and ended up getting rid of it after a few months because he could never get the GPU switching to actually work right. |
| 17:40.29 | rant | then you probably want to compeletely disable the nvidia and just use the intel |
| 17:40.46 | pldiem1 | but how can I do that |
| 17:40.56 | greycat | I'd start with what's on the wiki page. |
| 17:41.09 | pldiem1 | without the nvidia-driver, my laptop was freezing after logging in |
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| 17:41.33 | rant | pldiem1: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers/Optimus#Dynamic_Graphics_Disabled_-_BIOS |
| 17:42.00 | rant | pldiem1: one way suggested is in the BIOS if your system has such an option, the other method below that is doing it in xorg using xrandr and scripts |
| 17:42.17 | rant | I never used optimus so I have no experience there.. |
| 17:42.23 | pldiem1 | I have seen no such option in BIOS |
| 17:43.57 | rant | the wiki there only shows how to enable nvidia only.. but I've seen other guides on how to disable nvidia and use only intel.. but they seemed more involved than this |
| 17:44.24 | jhutchins_wk | It's funny how this channel gets "runs" on certain topics. It would be interesting to be able to analyze the traffic and pick out the "topic of the week". |
| 17:44.28 | pldiem1 | it can be nvidia only |
| 17:44.37 | nyov | which is what he actually wants. because the external output is not on the Intel chip |
| 17:44.39 | pldiem1 | I just want it to work |
| 17:44.44 | jhutchins_wk | Optimus/Bumblebee seems to be this week's TOTW. |
| 17:45.07 | pldiem1 | nyov: someone on nvidia channel wrote that it is otherwise |
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| 17:45.37 | rant | I'd think the intel would be the main controller as its in the cpu |
| 17:45.58 | rant | but I have no experience with it so I really dont know |
| 17:46.07 | nyov | pldiem1: what did he say about `xrandr` not detecting them? |
| 17:47.20 | pldiem1 | he didn't continue on the topic, there was nothing new on the channel since then :/ |
| 17:48.12 | nyov | well. we went through this, even had the bumblebee wiki page in front of you. let me fetch that again |
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| 17:48.44 | nyov | https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/Bumblebee/wiki/Multi-monitor-setup#desktop-on-external-monitor-wired-to-the-nvidia-chip-and-dual-screen-with-laptop |
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| 17:49.40 | nyov | ^ this is what you want, I believe |
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| 17:53.20 | pldiem1 | I just did Dynamic Graphics Disabled - xrandr and Display Manager Scripts |
| 17:53.33 | pldiem1 | now screen is blinking |
| 17:53.43 | pldiem1 | switching between desktop and terminal |
| 17:53.46 | pldiem1 | :( |
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| 17:54.32 | nyov | did you replace the BusID "PCI:X:Y:Z" with your "01:00.0" nvidia card? |
| 17:54.49 | pldiem1 | I cannot log in, I did with 1:0:0 |
| 17:54.58 | pldiem1 | isn't that the same? |
| 17:55.07 | nyov | not quite |
| 17:55.17 | pldiem1 | ok, so I will fix it |
| 17:55.47 | nyov | nevermind. it's correct for xorg |
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| 17:56.44 | nyov | you'll possibly have to rip out bumblebee again for this though |
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| 17:57.26 | pldiem1 | apt-get remove? |
| 17:58.41 | nyov | as I have no clue, I can only quote the wiki on this. "If you want to keep bumblebee and have desktop on external monitor, you can do it killing bumblebee, setting your nvidia graphic card on (/proc/acpi/bbswitch)" |
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| 18:03.00 | pldiem1 | eh |
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| 18:06.37 | Arahael | What's the best for graphics these days? It seems that when it comes to onboard graphics, it's either Intel or AMD graphics . |
| 18:06.44 | Arahael | What's Intel Graphics like? |
| 18:06.46 | greycat | Depends on what you want to do. |
| 18:07.15 | Arahael | greycat: Play with composting, possibly wayland, and experiment with graphics api's and opengl, possibly. But as a dev, not as a gamer. |
| 18:07.24 | greycat | heh, composting |
| 18:07.38 | Arahael | greycat: I also have a worm farm. |
| 18:08.36 | Arahael | greycat: Basically I want reliable and dependable, and a non-frustrating dev experience. |
| 18:09.55 | Arahael | I haven't really looked at the hardware market for a decade. Back then, the best was NVidia, as ATI drivers were horrible. I hear it's totally different today. |
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| 18:13.27 | SerajewelKS | things have changed. back when i was getting into linux, video and wifi drivers were garbage. nowadays i have more audio issues than anything else. |
| 18:13.31 | SerajewelKS | (thanks pulse) |
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| 18:14.58 | greycat | The only audio issue I have is I keep picking players that go stagnant. |
| 18:15.19 | greycat | xmms2 *still* doesn't have an Opus driver? Really? |
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| 18:17.23 | Arahael | I used to use a linux desktop system about 5 years ago. (An ancient Atom shuttlePC). But when I started dating, I realised that girls get quite unimpressed when you take them home to watch a movie, and there is NO SOUND! |
| 18:17.31 | Arahael | is deaf, that's probably important to the story. ;) |
| 18:17.42 | Arahael | I bought speakers the next day. |
| 18:22.17 | SerajewelKS | greycat: that's why i like players with a shared framework like gstreamer |
| 18:22.40 | jhutchins_wk | Arahael: Intel's pretty rock-solid, but the newer chipsets can take a while to get drivers. |
| 18:23.34 | Arahael | jhutchins_wk: So I should google the specific intel chipsets for driver compatibility, then. |
| 18:24.20 | greycat | Are you evaluating hardware for purchase, or do you already have a machine? |
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| 18:27.31 | SerajewelKS | i've asked this before but never really got a response. are there any pitfalls building a RAID1 out of (a 6TB drive + a RAID0(3TB drive + 3TB drive)) as opposed to a RAID1 over two 6TB drives? |
| 18:27.53 | SerajewelKS | not in terms of building the array, that i can do just fine. operational problems. |
| 18:28.00 | SerajewelKS | is this a sane thing to do? |
| 18:28.15 | Arahael | greycat: Dreaming, really. Not yet permitted to buy it. |
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| 18:28.41 | Arahael | greycat: I currently have an ancient Atom system, and a RPi 3B+, and a 2015 MBP which I use for most of my computing. |
| 18:28.58 | greycat | With Linux, and especially with Debian, make sure you get hardware that's been on the market for at least a year or two. Bleeding edge is the worst for Linux. |
| 18:29.39 | Arahael | greycat: I intend to go budget, so most of the offerings are unlikely to be that new, I think. |
| 18:29.46 | kirk781 | Arahael, Nobody can spy you on Linux. Because webcam drivers don't work. |
| 18:30.00 | kirk781 | My BT headphones don't work on either Debian or Solus. |
| 18:30.22 | Arahael | kirk781: A decade ago when I used linux as my primary desktop, webcam worked fine. |
| 18:30.39 | SerajewelKS | after awhile, we get our shit together and fix the broken stuff |
| 18:30.47 | kirk781 | Arahael, it's an old meme at this point. A lot of things work out of the box now. |
| 18:30.53 | SerajewelKS | then someone comes along (usually poettering) and decides it needs to be broken again |
| 18:31.07 | kirk781 | My internet dongle connected automatically via Ubuntu when it needs a separate software for Windows. |
| 18:31.15 | Arahael | I'm a bit of an old hat with linux, actually - but have been out of the game for desktop. I'd been delegating linux to the server for a while. |
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| 18:31.30 | kirk781 | Arahael, don't the girls get impressed on seeing that gorgeous KDE desktop running on Arch? |
| 18:31.51 | annadane | by the way, i use arch l- where'd everybody go? |
| 18:31.52 | Arahael | kirk781: Well, I neglected to hook up a speaker, they weren't impressed with the movies! |
| 18:32.04 | Arahael | G'night! |
| 18:32.07 | SerajewelKS | i run linux at work and windows at home. there's just too many good games that are windows-exclusive, and i mostly use my home computer for gaming. sometimes reality is sub-optimal. |
| 18:32.30 | kirk781 | SerajewelKS, how is Steam coming up in Linux? |
| 18:32.56 | SerajewelKS | younger me made ideological stands and refused to use windows. present-day me isn't going to deny myself fun to be ideologically pure. |
| 18:33.01 | SerajewelKS | kirk781: it's getting there |
| 18:33.26 | SerajewelKS | i actually play a decent amount of games on linux. but there's a lot of non-steam games that i don't have the option for. and wine isn't a workable solution most of the time. |
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| 18:33.38 | Nekojimi | Tbh, I'm gaming on Linux and I honestly think that like 90% of my games work fine under Linux, in some form :P |
| 18:33.39 | kirk781 | SerajewelKS, RMS is ideologically pure. And he has to make lots of sacrifices to maintain that position; many linux distroes now contain non free software |
| 18:33.46 | Nekojimi | But my view might not be representative |
| 18:33.51 | annadane | rms is also right 99% of the time |
| 18:34.00 | kirk781 | NVidia behaves terribly with Linux. A lot of problems with their drivers, I guess |
| 18:34.11 | kirk781 | annadane, r/Stallmanwasright |
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| 18:34.22 | SerajewelKS | kirk781: i respect him and share a lot of his views but i also have shit to do, a full time job, a family, and i don't have time to dick around with wine when i want to unwind and play some overwatch so... |
| 18:34.31 | annadane | well, nvidia doesn't really share secrets so nouveau has to scrap together what they can |
| 18:34.35 | SerajewelKS | in college i had time to dick around with wine. and i did. |
| 18:34.44 | Nekojimi | I'm finding that WINE is working really well these days :P |
| 18:34.52 | Nekojimi | Lutris is a godsend I swear |
| 18:35.06 | kirk781 | I have never used Wine; Linux now supports more softwares than ever. |
| 18:35.21 | SerajewelKS | kirk781: actually i use nvidia and it generally works great on linux |
| 18:35.25 | SerajewelKS | as long as the machine never goes to sleep |
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| 18:35.32 | kirk781 | SerajewelKS, lol |
| 18:35.45 | kirk781 | What DE do you prefer, SerajewelKS ? |
| 18:35.53 | annadane | psst, #debian-offtopic |
| 18:36.03 | annadane | not to be that person but |
| 18:36.21 | SerajewelKS | i like both LXDE and XFCE, though i don't like their window managers |
| 18:36.45 | kirk781 | Ah yes, this is the Debian channel[which reminds me of my bricked Debian installation] |
| 18:36.56 | SerajewelKS | i prefer tiling, but at the same time a lot of the software that i wind up having to use really misbehaves with a tiling manager |
| 18:37.23 | Nekojimi | I'm still not really sure what a tiling WM eve does :P |
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| 18:37.39 | SerajewelKS | spend a few minutes with one and you'll never want to use anything else |
| 18:37.52 | SerajewelKS | then start using it and be sad about the software that doesn't work well with it |
| 18:38.07 | annadane | it allows you to not use your mouse much making navigation quicker and for those who like it you can put windows side by side |
| 18:38.11 | kirk781 | r/unixporn is full of people using tiling WMs |
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| 18:38.29 | Nekojimi | But I like using the mouse :P |
| 18:38.34 | SerajewelKS | Nekojimi: basically it auto-arranges your windows for you |
| 18:38.43 | kirk781 | I wonder if I should give tiling WM a try. Wondering if Solus's repos have anything else except for Budgie |
| 18:38.46 | SerajewelKS | so you're not spending time dragging and resizing and bullshit like that |
| 18:39.09 | Nekojimi | I'm terrible and just run everything maximised most of the time <.< |
| 18:39.18 | SerajewelKS | Nekojimi: it has a mode for that too :P |
| 18:39.57 | Nekojimi | Because I find that a lot of windows aren't very useful when they don't take up a full screen :P |
| 18:40.08 | Nekojimi | Discord is one, which annoys me |
| 18:40.09 | annadane | i'm currently on i3, it's fine |
| 18:41.06 | kirk781 | Discord is just a bloated electron wrapper. Reminds me of Riot, a matrix client that's even more bloated |
| 18:41.15 | SerajewelKS | Nekojimi: this is a little demo i threw together awhile ago for a friend |
| 18:41.18 | SerajewelKS | Nekojimi: https://youtu.be/b5RyqOpyvno |
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| 18:41.31 | Nekojimi | Yeah, but it's not Skype :P |
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| 18:43.15 | SerajewelKS | the discord electron app is unnecessary unless you need global push-to-talk |
| 18:43.18 | SerajewelKS | (which i do) |
| 18:43.44 | kirk781 | I have Discord pinned onto my taskbar but I don't open it much. |
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| 18:51.44 | lobata | discord sucks |
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| 18:54.21 | ntd | yeah, don't get the appeal either |
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| 18:56.39 | nyov | did anyone ever read the ToS of discord? |
| 18:56.52 | nyov | I can't believe how anyone would agree to that |
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| 18:57.35 | r00trunner | i try to compile an ARM64 kernel from my debian x86 host. Make tells me, that I have unmet build dependency libssl-dev. However, the package is installed. Any ideas? |
| 18:58.09 | jezebel | installed for which architecture? |
| 18:58.38 | r00trunner | I simply installed it via apt install libssl-dev on my x86 host |
| 18:59.00 | r00trunner | Make says: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: error: Unmet build dependencies: libssl-dev |
| 18:59.48 | jezebel | stab in the dark, you installed it for x86, you're cross compiling for arm64, maybe you need the arm64 lib |
| 18:59.49 | SerajewelKS | r00trunner: you probably need the arm64 package |
| 19:00.31 | annadane | er, is there a way to get firefox-esr to display your addons in the top right corner? i can drag for example https everywhere there but ublock origin doesn't show up in the customize page |
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| 19:00.53 | jezebel | you'll need to install libssl-dev:arm64, you need to enable multiarch |
| 19:01.52 | annadane | oh never mind there it is |
| 19:01.54 | annadane | i just can't read |
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| 19:02.38 | annadane | an increasingly common afliction... |
| 19:03.37 | rant | gets annadane hooked on phonics |
| 19:04.02 | ntd | nyov, yeah. my first questions when told about the service was over the TOS |
| 19:04.25 | SerajewelKS | TOS doesn't bother me because i have a backup mumble server |
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| 19:04.57 | r00trunner | It works, thanks a ton guys. |
| 19:05.05 | nyov | ntd: yeah, I mean they literally shouted at you that all voice+text data would be analyzed and sold to 3rd parties |
| 19:05.07 | SerajewelKS | discord is more convenient, but i'm not dependent on it |
| 19:06.00 | nyov | nothing's free of course, so it's not unexpected or anything |
| 19:06.10 | ntd | nyov, i was about to bash one users head in when i figured out he was using the "pushless talk" feature with a colleague while we were having the discussion |
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| 19:06.25 | nyov | ntd: .... |
| 19:06.34 | lobata | cool, gives me a reason to uninstall it |
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| 19:07.06 | ntd | that's bugging the room in my book |
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| 19:07.55 | rant | could be worse.. you could be agreeing to have your lips sewn to the ... |
| 19:08.36 | Antoine- | Hello, I am setting up a vpn connection (client) using openvpn. When a connection comes in, I would like it come out through the VPN if it came throught the VPN or through the default route if it came through the default route. I currently have "redirect-gateway def1" in my .ovpn file. How should I proceed? |
| 19:08.44 | ntd | human centipedes? no, that's facebook users |
| 19:08.51 | nyov | I'm just super curious how they always manage to hype these services so amazingly |
| 19:09.14 | SerajewelKS | Antoine-: i'd need a more specific explanation of what you want to do, but you can set up multiple routing tables on linux |
| 19:09.52 | ntd | Antoine-, "redirect-gateway def1" will fuck up any attempt at multiple routing tables |
| 19:09.54 | debron | hello guys. I added a rule in iptables to drop all packet from an IP that is trying ssh by brute force. But in auth.log I still see his attempts. the rule I added was: -A INPUT -s (the ip) -j DROP |
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| 19:10.13 | ntd | use tls-client instead of client, set routes manually |
| 19:10.17 | SerajewelKS | debron: show us "iptables -nvL" |
| 19:10.21 | debron | why is he still allowed to attempt login through ssh? |
| 19:10.24 | SerajewelKS | debron: there is probably a prior rule that is permitting the connection |
| 19:10.40 | debron | okay thanks |
| 19:11.17 | nyov | (also, you could use `ipset` to create a blacklist and reference that instead) |
| 19:11.40 | Antoine- | SerajewelKS: ntd: My ISP is blocking port 25 so I got a VPN that offers me a static IP address and the port 25. I do not want to use the VPN all the time as it is a lot slower than what my ISP offers. |
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| 19:11.49 | ntd | good |
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| 19:12.07 | ntd | then tls-client is your ticket |
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| 19:12.45 | SerajewelKS | Antoine-: what process is using port 25? |
| 19:12.49 | SerajewelKS | are you running an MTA? |
| 19:12.56 | Antoine- | Yes |
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| 19:14.11 | debron | SerajewelKS: https://paste.debian.net/1043144/ |
| 19:14.14 | Antoine- | I thought I could set my DNS records to reach my router on my ISP IP and my MX record to the VPN that my home server is connected to. |
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| 19:15.31 | ntd | def1 will force all traffic to go over the vpn link |
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| 19:16.05 | ntd | change "client" in the .ovpn to "tls-client", no need to pull any routes in your case |
| 19:16.25 | SerajewelKS | debron: right so there's an ACCEPT being reached before it makes it that far |
| 19:16.31 | SerajewelKS | you should use -I to prepend that rule instead |
| 19:16.46 | SerajewelKS | debron: btw those LOGs wouldn't ever be reached anyway since DROP is a terminating target |
| 19:17.49 | debron | I see |
| 19:17.52 | debron | thanks you |
| 19:17.54 | SerajewelKS | Antoine-: basically what you need to do is have your MTA bind outgoing connections to your VPN IP address, then create a new routing table and use "ip rule add" to create a rule matching traffic from your client IP, to use the alternate routing table |
| 19:18.03 | Antoine- | ntd: So tls-client means that anything that comes in through the VPN goes out through the VPN as well (and only that)? |
| 19:18.04 | SerajewelKS | that's the thousand-foot view |
| 19:18.05 | debron | is there something crazy? or its a standar iptables ?? |
| 19:18.29 | SerajewelKS | debron: looks like you're using ufw |
| 19:18.50 | SerajewelKS | debron: so you may want to add this rule to your ufw config instead |
| 19:19.34 | SerajewelKS | Antoine-: btw what you're asking about is "source based routing" |
| 19:19.45 | SerajewelKS | Antoine-: google should have some good reading material on that topic |
| 19:20.17 | SerajewelKS | basically, like mentioned, you set up an alternate routing table and use a rule to direct the IP layer to use that routing table instead for packets that come from a specific network |
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| 19:23.33 | Antoine- | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.57 | Antoine- | SerajewelKS: I'll read up on source based routing. I guess that will answer my questions :) |
| 19:24.27 | ntd | Antoine-, isp blocking in- or outbound 25? |
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| 19:26.48 | karlpinc | Antoine-: I've not been paying attention, but if you're setting relayhost in main.cf to point to a specific hostname you can put the hostname in [] brackets to prevent MX lookup. Hope this helps and does not confuse. (Has nothing to do with IP routing.) |
| 19:26.53 | Antoine- | ntd: inbound for sure. outbound I'm not sure, how can I try? |
| 19:27.17 | ntd | well, if only inbound it doesn't really matter where it comes back out :P |
| 19:27.25 | ntd | some spam filters may take issue though |
| 19:28.15 | SerajewelKS | Antoine-: you don't tell postfix to "use your VPN connection" you tell it to send from the IP address that happens to be associated with the VPN interface |
| 19:28.38 | SerajewelKS | that does not guarantee the packet will leave that interface. routing rules still come into play, and standard routing looks only at the destination, not the source. |
| 19:28.44 | SerajewelKS | that's why you need a secondary routing table |
| 19:29.34 | Antoine- | karlpinc: Why whould I want to prevent MX lookup? |
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| 19:30.35 | Antoine- | (I'll be back after some good dinner, to think about all this :)) |
| 19:30.38 | karlpinc | Antoine-: Because the "relayhost" parameter routes all outbound mail through a designated host, presumeably one which will then deliver to the rest of the internet. |
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| 19:35.46 | SerajewelKS | karlpinc: i think he's trying to run a full-blown MTA |
| 19:35.55 | SerajewelKS | hence he needs to be able to route traffic from his VPN IP address over the VPN link |
| 19:36.03 | SerajewelKS | which is textbook source-based routing |
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| 19:37.27 | greycat | It would be super easy just to put a mail relay on the other end of the VPN and shove all the mail over there. |
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| 19:43.20 | nyov | if you want to pay for and manage another VPS or whatever |
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| 20:05.04 | debron | SerajewelKS: thanks you have helped me a lot with that iptables information you gave me |
| 20:05.23 | debron | the order matter a lot there |
| 20:05.45 | debron | didnt know, and is a very important information if I want to try to adminitrate that tool... |
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| 20:14.49 | SerajewelKS | debron: yeah. the rules are applied in order. some targets (-j) "terminate" and some do not. |
| 20:15.06 | SerajewelKS | if a terminating rule is reached, no further rules in that chain are tested |
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| 20:21.17 | debron | SerajewelKS: that means that if i decided to log -j LOG |
| 20:21.24 | debron | and later i decided to drop |
| 20:21.28 | debron | drop is not taking place? |
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| 20:26.13 | SerajewelKS | debron: LOG is not a terminating target |
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| 20:26.33 | debron | aah oki |
| 20:26.46 | debron | yeah it has to be working , otherwise the spam in auth.log would continue |
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| 20:45.51 | Antoine- | In postfix, should myhostname be my domain name like example.org or the MX record like mail.example.org? |
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| 20:46.30 | greycat | http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html#myhostname |
| 20:46.46 | SerajewelKS | Antoine-: it should be the hostname of the machine itself. for the mail domain, see mydomain |
| 20:47.28 | greycat | or in other words, "No, neither of those things." |
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| 20:48.26 | SerajewelKS | well it could be the same as the MX record, if mail.example.org is the hostname of the machine |
| 20:48.40 | SerajewelKS | so "not necessarily" |
| 20:49.00 | greycat | It should be the name that lets you identify the machine so you know where the problem happened, if the name is used to identify the machine having a problem. |
| 20:51.27 | mpo | Good evening. I can't write to /etc/group. /usr/sbin/groupadd -g returns error code 10. http://paste.debian.net/1043170/ |
| 20:51.33 | Antoine- | greycat: I was actually reading that page. It says "if you run Postfix on a virtual interface" and all my connection goes through a vpn so I wondered if that applied. |
| 20:52.11 | greycat | I'm assuming it's the same as control/me in qmail. "Hi, this is the qmail server at <me>. I had this problem: <problem>." |
| 20:52.36 | Antoine- | SerajewelKS: So should it be the local hostname I'm assigning to that machine? |
| 20:52.52 | greycat | It should be whatever lets you pinpoint where the problem occurred. |
| 20:53.32 | greycat | In real machines, it would be the unique hostname of the machine. |
| 20:54.20 | Antoine- | greycat: Ok I can just put any name I want, right? Like, there's no wrong answer that will break my postfix config? |
| 20:55.07 | greycat | I don't know how many ways we can rephrase "my hostname". |
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| 20:58.25 | Antoine- | Good good, sorry it's not all that obvious to me. |
| 20:58.59 | greycat | mpo: (1) is the root file system read-only? (2) is the /etc/group file immutable (check with "lsattr /etc/group") (3) is the root file system full? |
| 20:59.35 | greycat | (4) is the :~# shell prompt misleading, and you weren't actually root, despite the # character which conventionally means root? |
| 21:00.25 | annadane | it's just a funny emoji. |
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| 21:01.59 | mpo | greycat: 1) no, 2) result is "Extents" 3) no, and 4) also no |
| 21:02.29 | mpo | root fs is read/write |
| 21:02.39 | greycat | "lsattr /etc/group" said "Extents"? Not "--------------e---- /etc/group" or similar? |
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| 21:03.13 | mpo | lsattr -l said "Extents" |
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| 21:04.26 | greycat | Well, there goes all my ideas. If it were me, the next thing I'd try is "strace -f your command" but that's because I have enough experience to (sometimes) be able to read strace output and spot a problem. |
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| 21:05.29 | mpo | Thanks for trying. |
| 21:07.11 | mpo | It's good to have someone like you active in this channel. |
| 21:08.23 | annadane | if everyone in irc is stumped try debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 21:08.31 | annadane | including in the email what you tried here will narrow it down |
| 21:09.13 | mpo | I have an itch to just reboot that thing. |
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| 21:09.38 | SerajewelKS | mpo: lsattr -l says the same thing on my machine, i'm assuming that's an ext4 thing |
| 21:09.49 | SerajewelKS | mpo: greycat meant without -l i think |
| 21:10.00 | SerajewelKS | because without -l i see "--------------e---- /etc/group" |
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| 21:10.25 | mpo | That's correct, but both mean the same. |
| 21:10.53 | SerajewelKS | oh right, -l is the verbose mechanism |
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| 21:11.52 | SerajewelKS | mpo: google suggests this is a locking error, does /etc/group.lock exist? |
| 21:12.36 | greycat | man, if that's true, someone *really* needs to update groupadd to put the word "locked" somewhere in the error message |
| 21:13.00 | annadane | wishlist buuuug~ |
| 21:13.02 | greycat | "failure while writing" is just utterly useless |
| 21:13.07 | annadane | it is |
| 21:13.20 | SerajewelKS | it could mean anything from "bad permissions" to "/ is gone" |
| 21:13.20 | annadane | windows levels of verbosity |
| 21:13.42 | SerajewelKS | which, incidentally, happened to me last night. i think the hardware raid controller died because the server alerts went off, i ssh'd in, and /dev/sd* didn't exist |
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| 21:17.06 | annadane | oh yes, i was here for that |
| 21:17.10 | annadane | did you ever find a solution? |
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| 21:28.39 | namll | hello, what can I have to set my volume keys to control alsamixer? I am only seeing references for XFCE and i3 when searching for a solution. |
| 21:29.08 | namll | how can i set* |
| 21:29.12 | HicksD | amixer set 'Master' 5%- |
| 21:29.20 | HicksD | amixer set 'Master' 5%+ |
| 21:29.31 | HicksD | bind keys to those two, is how I did it in xfce |
| 21:29.43 | namll | HicksD: is there a config file it goes into? |
| 21:30.13 | HicksD | I did it via settings/keyboard/application shortcuts, but that's possibly xfce specific. |
| 21:30.20 | HicksD | what desktop are you using? |
| 21:30.29 | namll | HicksD: dwm |
| 21:30.58 | nemo | If I wanted to beg for the flag mentioned in https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=876141 to get into the backports kernel, where would I do so? |
| 21:30.59 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/876141 in src:linux (open): «linux-image-4.12.0-2-amd64: Touchpad not detected on Lenovo IdeaPad 320-15ABR»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-09-18; last modified: 2018-09-13. |
| 21:31.33 | HicksD | namll: I've not used that, try a search on keyboard shortcuts dwm though, unless anyone else in here knows. |
| 21:31.36 | namll | Im wondering if i can just set the keybinding in my .xinitrc |
| 21:31.55 | nemo | perhaps as some custom 4.17-amd64-xx .deb ... I'm not picky, it's just that my attempt to package my own kernel with the flag flipped failed miserably for reasons that are not obvious to me |
| 21:32.07 | nemo | and I'd obv prefer to stay on a debian kernel overall |
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| 21:34.19 | annadane | i wish i could answer that but i'm not sure. |
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| 21:36.26 | n_1-c_k | namll: yes, e.g. have .xinitrc calls xbindkeys. |
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| 21:37.11 | wtflux | hi im using kali linux can anyone tell me the apt-get install to use for installing the java JRE? |
| 21:37.16 | annadane | !kali |
| 21:37.16 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 21:37.36 | wtflux | apt-cache search term java is returning a BUNCH of stuff |
| 21:37.41 | at0m | !next |
| 21:37.41 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 21:37.55 | annadane | on debian it's openjdk-8-jre. who knows what it is in kali. it's not debian so we don't know |
| 21:38.09 | wtflux | right but is there a way to install it using Aptitude |
| 21:38.13 | wtflux | or w/e its called |
| 21:38.28 | annadane | apt. and if you need to ask, be careful running kali |
| 21:38.32 | annadane | apt install blah blah |
| 21:38.35 | annadane | !whynotpentesting |
| 21:38.35 | dpkg | For some reasons why Kali/Parrot/Other based-on-Debian penetration testing distributions shouldn't be used as a home desktop, see https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/399626/why-is-kali-linux-so-hard-to-set-up-why-wont-people-help-me |
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| 21:39.35 | wtflux | im not using it as a home desktop, im using it as a research/edu lab. i need JRE so i can install webgoat and make it from scratch, but dont have JRE so maven is throwing a bunch of errors. the same i assume it would do on debian without a JRE |
| 21:39.40 | annadane | nemo, i hate telling people to join other networks but maybe you can try asking #debian-kernel |
| 21:39.42 | Something1 | @wtflux I believe you got that during your compsci education, check your textbooks, if not you can likely ask kali linux support or purchase support from a reputable vendor somewhere |
| 21:39.42 | annadane | on irc.oftc.net |
| 21:40.06 | annadane | wtflux, fair enough. but please ask kali support, we don't want to lead you astray |
| 21:40.55 | wtflux | surely, but i can install JRE from a download off oracle, i just prefer to use apt because its built in, does anyone know if its possible to install the JRE using apt on debian? |
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| 21:41.10 | SerajewelKS | !info java-package |
| 21:41.16 | dpkg | java-package: (Utility for creating Java Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.62 (sid), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 72 kB |
| 21:41.17 | wtflux | or even an Open source JRE if one exists, so i wouldnt even need oracle's download as well |
| 21:41.21 | SerajewelKS | wtflux: see that ^ |
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| 21:41.35 | SerajewelKS | debian also has openjre |
| 21:41.48 | annadane | on debian, yeah, it would be openjdk-x-jre, whatever the java version is, i think for debian stretch... i've only installed 8, there may be others |
| 21:42.48 | annadane | ,v openjdk-9-jre |
| 21:42.49 | judd | Package: openjdk-9-jre on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 9~b181-4~bpo9+1 |
| 21:42.54 | annadane | ,v openjdk-7-jre |
| 21:42.55 | wtflux | ok thx, now that i know an open JRE exists for debian i'll be able to find what im looking for. |
| 21:42.56 | judd | Package: openjdk-7-jre on amd64 -- wheezy: 7u95-2.6.4-1~deb7u1; experimental: 7u161-2.6.12-1; wheezy-security: 7u171-2.6.13-1~deb7u1; jessie: 7u181-2.6.14-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 7u181-2.6.14-1~deb8u1 |
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| 21:43.06 | annadane | ok so for *stretch* it's just 8 |
| 21:43.30 | Something1 | He handled that quite nicely, pretending to know what he´s doing. namedropping Oracle and everything |
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| 21:45.26 | annadane | let's maybe not antagonize members of the community, even derivatives |
| 21:45.48 | wtflux | Some people just cant help it, no matter the age. |
| 21:46.01 | wtflux | apparently. |
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| 21:46.18 | annadane | and sorry for the deflecting to kali support, many people who ask questions here don't know what they're doing |
| 21:46.19 | wtflux | Thanks for the point in the right direction though |
| 21:46.32 | annadane | so i perhaps unfairly assume things, and i shouldn't |
| 21:47.15 | wtflux | I head there for support often enough, it just seems the channel has tons of idle users so i never get a response. |
| 21:48.24 | wtflux | I use debian with kde on a home laptop |
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| 21:48.56 | wtflux | its nice to have derivatives |
| 21:49.51 | wtflux | if i was a better programmer i'd contribute to the debian project |
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| 21:50.03 | wtflux | maybe when i make it rich i'll start donating |
| 21:50.27 | nyov | me too :{ |
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| 21:50.38 | jaami | hi, looking for minimal debian iso and want to install on usb disk. where do i get the minimal debian with GUI thatcan be installed on USB disk? |
| 21:50.41 | nyov | i like the *when* in there |
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| 21:51.07 | wtflux | nyov, gotta stay hopeful, or why agonize on? |
| 21:51.13 | annadane | jaami, the net install should do fine, do you have internet access on the target machine? |
| 21:51.19 | annadane | you can choose a GUI in the installer |
| 21:51.26 | annadane | (and it has a graphical install.) |
| 21:51.29 | rant | jaami smallest is the xfce CD 1 iso |
| 21:51.37 | wtflux | jaami, the live CD usb will have the GUI. check out Yumi pen drive linux for your USB. |
| 21:51.38 | nyov | wtflux: ? i said me too. i am hopeful |
| 21:51.50 | wtflux | nyov, i was agreeing. |
| 21:51.53 | nyov | ok |
| 21:52.02 | annadane | "live image" != install debian |
| 21:52.14 | wtflux | and didnt exactly noticed i put when in there, thats atypical of my internal nihilism |
| 21:52.33 | trysten | (as opposed to external nihilism) |
| 21:52.55 | nyov | jaami: https://www.debian.org/distrib/ - minimal: https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#smallcd |
| 21:53.26 | annadane | oh, USB disk? sorry. do you want to install *on* a usb disk, or install to a regular computer using the USB as the install medium? |
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| 21:53.47 | annadane | teach me not to read. |
| 21:53.59 | rant | wtflux please don't suggest other distros we don't support in here |
| 21:54.29 | annadane | the net install should do you fine regardless, depending on what you install its footprint is fairly small |
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| 21:54.52 | jaami | the laptop have a bad disk.can i install debian on USB from my other laptop and use it with the one without hard disk? |
| 21:55.35 | nyov | usb is still flash. it may not last long as a "harddisk" |
| 21:55.59 | mspe | unless he makes it boot from usb to ram |
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| 21:56.14 | mspe | but that needs a lot of ram ^^ |
| 21:56.48 | jaami | i think sandisk nano usb is good because i used it for more than 2 years. The usb is still good. |
| 21:57.31 | rant | yes it can be done you would be best off having two one to install to and one for the installer |
| 21:57.37 | jaami | i had debian on the usb but that was newer laptop and not working because of bad mother board |
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| 21:58.03 | rant | works better and is easier to persistently config than a live |
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| 22:01.16 | jaami | rant: please tell me more about best off having two one to to install |
| 22:01.45 | jaami | rant: i am sorry i could not understand that part |
| 22:02.46 | rant | you need one thumb drive to put the installer on and another to use as the hdd |
| 22:03.06 | jaami | oh ok, |
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| 22:04.33 | rant | the live images boot to a desktop without being installed but are beefier.. include multi language packs and boot slower due to extra hw auto detection and are more complex when saving configs and stuff |
| 22:05.16 | rant | if you want to run Debian as close to same as normal you need two.. one to install from and one to install onto |
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| 22:06.52 | rant | I'd used a 32gb pny flash drive like that for about 18mo and have since reformatted it many times for use as a normal data drive and its still chugging along |
| 22:06.55 | rant | i |
| 22:07.08 | wtflux | Rant: what distro was that exactly? The one i recommended to? |
| 22:07.48 | rant | may vary by brand and use and won't last as long as a HDD but it'll do and last long enough to save fifty bucks for a hdd |
| 22:08.10 | rant | no it was Debian.. we only discuss Debian here |
| 22:08.46 | rant | I've told you once already as did annadane |
| 22:08.49 | wtflux | Perhaps you have mixed me up with someone else then? |
| 22:09.19 | wtflux | I dont recall suggesting a distro? |
| 22:09.36 | rant | you recommended yumi something or other |
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| 22:11.04 | wtflux | Thats a tool to put linux distros on a USB. I suggested he download a debian live usb and use YUMI to mount it. |
| 22:11.30 | rant | here we cp Debian.I so /Dev/SDB or whatever |
| 22:11.48 | rant | cp and dd are tools to do it |
| 22:12.43 | rant | sry I'm on android with a stupid keyboard auto correcting |
| 22:12.48 | wtflux | thats fine, there's more than one way to skin a cat. if you'd like to walk him thru that process then more power to you, i just offered a nuclear option that will get him up and going in a few minutes. |
| 22:12.56 | wgas | etcher.io is more reliable gui uses dd |
| 22:13.12 | rant | cp would get it working fastest |
| 22:13.25 | rant | and is built in |
| 22:13.39 | nyov | let's not be racist about the toolchain :( |
| 22:14.01 | rant | is yumi in Debian? |
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| 22:14.27 | wtflux | "fastest" is relative. to someone who knows what they're doing and is proficient in doing so. walking him thru the process which he seems to be unfamiliar with will likely take longer. i was only suggesting a nuclear option... which was neither 'not debian' nor 'any other distro' |
| 22:14.27 | rant | did user specify is they had now as not Debian? |
| 22:14.38 | wtflux | thanks for the reminder though, i guess. |
| 22:14.46 | rant | its not racist its following the install guide |
| 22:15.26 | rant | when they have issues and come here we're gonna ask if the followed the install guide |
| 22:15.40 | rant | and can't support 3rd party tools |
| 22:17.14 | rant | not trying to be a dick about it just trying to avoid misleading people to point we can't all support them in future |
| 22:17.37 | rant | I thought it was a distro.. never heard of it |
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| 22:18.17 | wtflux | That's fine, it's just kinda odd to go pedantic on someone when you're making a wrong assumption. |
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| 22:18.47 | wgas | I read yumi has problems with debian a while back |
| 22:19.01 | wtflux | anyways thanks all for the help. my work day is over. hope to visit again some time when its a little less stuffy. |
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| 22:19.23 | rant | etcher is the mentioned until for non Linux oses to write images last I checked |
| 22:20.19 | wgas | there is .app image for linux too |
| 22:20.22 | rant | I admit I was wrong to assume but I'm on crappy phone its not easy to google and Yumi pen drive Linux sounded like a distro not a tool |
| 22:21.04 | rant | plus you were just talking about derivatives so that's how I jumped to the conclusion :p |
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| 22:22.29 | jaami | rant: isnt that netinstall good to go with one usb attached on the target machine? i think that should work |
| 22:22.42 | rant | fwiw cp, dd, and etcher are what guide says I believe |
| 22:23.09 | rant | jaami yes any install method you have pxe boot or whatever is fine |
| 22:23.19 | jaami | i will try to setup net on the laptop |
| 22:24.12 | rant | when in doubt read the install guide or at least skim to appropriate section |
| 22:24.18 | rant | !ig |
| 22:24.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, stretch installation guide is The Installation Guide for Debian 9 "Stretch" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <stretch release notes>. |
| 22:24.29 | rant | damn that's old |
| 22:24.44 | rant | ERM no its not.. heh |
| 22:25.32 | rant | I read squeeze when it says stretch |
| 22:25.41 | jaami | :) |
| 22:26.09 | rant | lots a install options covered in there |
| 22:26.30 | rant | you'd asked about small writable with GUI though |
| 22:26.55 | rant | xfce cd1 I so is smallest with GUI packages on the media |
| 22:26.59 | jaami | yes, making laptop ready for someone who never used linux before |
| 22:27.16 | jaami | GUI means the main interface. the desktop |
| 22:27.23 | rant | with a netinst you could install any of the de |
| 22:28.09 | rant | but if you wanted it all on the install media that's the smallest image we got with enough for full de experience |
| 22:29.42 | rant | if burning for a WiFi install try the firmware installer |
| 22:29.55 | rant | !firmware installer |
| 22:29.56 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
| 22:30.22 | rant | many WiFi req nonfree firmware not in normal images |
| 22:31.00 | usney | hello rant |
| 22:31.02 | rant | !firmware images |
| 22:31.04 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>. |
| 22:31.07 | jaami | yes, i need drivers for wifi and everything that is important for a normal user |
| 22:31.41 | rant | well you can add em post install but if you plan to install from WiFi try that image |
| 22:32.09 | rant | ie if you need WiFi during the install |
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| 22:32.42 | jaami | yes, i need wifi during the install |
| 22:33.18 | rant | well there you have it dpkg gave links for our nonfree firmware included images |
| 22:33.53 | rant | to be on safe side ud recommend those if you're not sure if card uses nonfree firmware |
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| 22:34.36 | rant | usney, you need help with something? |
| 22:34.55 | usney | no not at the moment |
| 22:35.02 | usney | just wanted to say hello |
| 22:35.12 | usney | cause I think you helped me before |
| 22:35.41 | rant | ah well use #debian-offtopic for social chatter with us regulars ;) |
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| 22:56.04 | usney | rant how do you upgrade from jessie to stretch? |
| 22:56.33 | usney | I am using gnuroot debian on android and it is using jessie instead of stretch |
| 22:56.42 | rant | !jessie->stretch |
| 22:57.23 | usney | jessie is greater than stretch? |
| 22:57.24 | rant | grr.. read the stretch release notes section on upgrading |
| 22:57.38 | rant | dpkg hello |
| 22:57.39 | dpkg | what's up, rant |
| 22:57.55 | rant | dpkg, jessie->stretch? |
| 22:57.55 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/OFVv . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "jessie" to "stretch" and remove stable-specific lines like jessie-backports. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
| 22:58.30 | usney | is it safe to do this? |
| 22:58.52 | usney | will it cause incompatiability issues with gnuroot debian and android? |
| 22:59.51 | rant | no clue |
| 23:00.12 | usney | well I can always reinstall |
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| 23:06.43 | awal1 | usney paste your sources.list file |
| 23:07.37 | awal1 | !jessie |
| 23:07.37 | usney | I changed all jessie to stretch awal1 |
| 23:07.37 | dpkg | Jessie is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25: http://www.debian.org/News/2015/20150426 ; security support ends 2018-05-17 but ask me about <jessie-lts>. Jessie is the cowgirl in Toy Story 2. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie and ask me about <install jessie> <release notes> <wheezy->jessie>. Currently <8.10>. |
| 23:08.17 | awal1 | usney, we just wanna see if all fine, if you want |
| 23:08.39 | usney | ok |
| 23:08.41 | usney | just a second |
| 23:08.41 | RoyK | !pastebinit |
| 23:08.41 | dpkg | A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 23:08.58 | usney | have to watch to finish download and install |
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| 23:09.03 | awal1 | usney, use paste.debian.net |
| 23:09.10 | usney | should be fast since it is textmode only |
| 23:09.17 | usney | no desktop environment |
| 23:09.29 | RoyK | usney: pastebinit works |
| 23:09.42 | awal1 | use pastebinit so |
| 23:09.50 | awal1 | i use it and it is good |
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| 23:10.26 | awal1 | by default it send pastes to paste.debian.net |
| 23:12.31 | usney | how do I select all and copy in nano? |
| 23:12.42 | usney | I know how to do individual lines |
| 23:12.49 | RoyK | usney: pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:13.38 | rant | can use netcat with termbin |
| 23:14.00 | RoyK | rant: pastebinit is a wee bit easier ;) |
| 23:14.23 | rant | neither are installed usually though |
| 23:14.34 | usney | hmmm |
| 23:14.47 | RoyK | rant: well, usney said (s)he was using pastebinit already |
| 23:14.56 | rant | ah |
| 23:15.11 | usney | I did? |
| 23:15.20 | usney | I use pastebin.com |
| 23:15.32 | usney | never heard of a commandline pastebin until now |
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| 23:15.43 | RoyK | ok - install pastebinit, then |
| 23:15.48 | usney | now after the upgrade it is saying that connection to vpn failed |
| 23:16.02 | RoyK | it's a simple python script |
| 23:17.34 | usney | doing an apt-get -f install |
| 23:18.00 | RoyK | something got interrupted? |
| 23:18.22 | usney | now apt-get update; apt-get install pastebinit |
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| 23:20.21 | ryouma | pastebin itself uses cloudflare so a lot of users will refuse to look at it becuase it makes them solve a captcha or because they hate cloudflare. there are tons of other sites and tools. some can work nicely without a tool. sprunge termbin |
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| 23:21.43 | RoyK | ryouma: pastebin? dot com? that one is spammed with ads - the debian one just works cleanly |
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| 23:32.20 | ryouma | RoyK: even better |
| 23:33.02 | ryouma | never saw any ads on sprunge or termbin |
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