| 00:01.05 | armin | i mean i can watch pr0n^Wmovies via vpn/lte on my setup... |
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| 00:01.40 | sZbcE8qNfG | i'm talking about dead zones |
| 00:01.46 | sZbcE8qNfG | like when the LTE conn will drop |
| 00:01.53 | armin | well if the zone is dead it's dead |
| 00:01.54 | sZbcE8qNfG | but after 20seconds, it will come back up again |
| 00:02.06 | armin | will take some time until your buffer is empty |
| 00:02.06 | sZbcE8qNfG | will openvpn automatically reconnect and continue or die |
| 00:02.22 | armin | the idea of a vpn daemon is that it is up as much as it anyhow could |
| 00:02.36 | at0m | sZbcE8qNfG: check out mpd, apt show mpd. if you stream that to VLC, you can pauze VLC and the time pauzed will serve as extra buffer for dead zones. not sure about 20s though, but worth a try. |
| 00:02.37 | armin | any vpn daemon i know of would reconnect |
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| 00:03.11 | sZbcE8qNfG | no, i want to stick to samba and specific android apps |
| 00:03.33 | armin | andsmb? |
| 00:03.36 | at0m | sZbcE8qNfG: mpd, music player daemon, can be controlled (i ssh port-forward using irssiconnectbot) on one port, and stream on another (to which i connect my mobile VLC) |
| 00:03.37 | sZbcE8qNfG | damn I cant wait for the librem5 to be released |
| 00:03.45 | sZbcE8qNfG | yeah i have to resort to untrusted apps on android |
| 00:04.05 | sZbcE8qNfG | atom what about photos? |
| 00:04.14 | armin | sZbcE8qNfG: you have questionable requirements. |
| 00:04.22 | at0m | sZbcE8qNfG: i run lineageOS actually. depends on what you trust eh. |
| 00:04.59 | sZbcE8qNfG | i want to stick to old standard protocols like samba |
| 00:05.08 | sZbcE8qNfG | maybe ssh |
| 00:05.14 | armin | nexus 5x here, with a hardcore rugged case that makes the whole thing fat like hell. |
| 00:05.19 | at0m | sZbcE8qNfG: photo's? i used to port-forward my smb, but since i dont have a decent client for that, i stopped using that. sshfs on laptop though. |
| 00:05.22 | sZbcE8qNfG | i got a nexus 6p |
| 00:05.22 | armin | works for me, survives any mosphit. |
| 00:05.27 | michael2 | hi, I have a problem where network manager returns "Error: read only filesystem" when it tries to write to the files in /etc/Networkmanager/system-connections. I suspect this is because the /lib/systemd/system/NetworkManager.service sets the properties: ProtectSystem=true, Protect-Home=read-only. I want to disable this so I created a new NetworkManager.service and set ProtectSystem=false and removed the |
| 00:05.29 | michael2 | `ProtectHome' option. but network manager still reports a read-only file system. how can I remove and disable this? |
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| 00:05.44 | armin | oh fun with systemd |
| 00:05.52 | michael2 | yeah, "fun" |
| 00:06.31 | at0m | armin: hi btw :) |
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| 00:08.24 | michael2 | but I'm guessing this "feature" is probably set debian's package maintainers by upstream |
| 00:08.43 | michael2 | _not_ by upstream |
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| 03:04.24 | nkuttler | ,v gcc-7 |
| 03:04.25 | judd | Package: gcc-7 on amd64 -- buster: 7.3.0-29; sid: 7.3.0-29 |
| 03:04.34 | nkuttler | don't? |
| 03:04.47 | nkuttler | build it yourself? check for backports? |
| 03:04.48 | victorqueiroz | is buster older or the current version? |
| 03:04.58 | nkuttler | victorqueiroz: testing |
| 03:05.14 | victorqueiroz | :'( |
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| 03:05.17 | nkuttler | ,checkbackport gcc-7 |
| 03:05.37 | judd | Backporting package gcc-7 in sidâstretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: gcc-8-base, binutils:native (>= 2.30) | binutils-multiarch:native (>= 2.30), binutils-hppa64-linux-gnu:native (>= 2.30) [hppa amd64 i386 x32], nvptx-tools [amd64], gnat-7:native [!m32r !riscv64 !sh3 !sh3eb !sh4eb !m68k], g++-7:native, libmpc-dev (>= 1.1), g++-7-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>, |
| 03:05.38 | judd | gobjc-7-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>, gfortran-7-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>, gdc-7-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>, gccgo-7-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>, gnat-7-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>. |
| 03:05.56 | nkuttler | well, you should be able to bootstrap gcc7 anyway |
| 03:06.10 | nkuttler | if you *really* want it |
| 03:06.14 | victorqueiroz | bootstrap? |
| 03:06.23 | nkuttler | victorqueiroz: why do you need gcc-7? |
| 03:06.43 | victorqueiroz | std::variant |
| 03:08.09 | nkuttler | victorqueiroz: well, install it from source |
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| 03:08.50 | nkuttler | see also https://gcc.gnu.org/install/ |
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| 04:55.41 | n4dir | in a debian based distribution (raspian) the network interfaces didn't change to the new convention. My question is how the change is made, say by a certain package related to networking? wikipedia says "open source implementation available via udev/systemd", but raspian uses those too (hence i expected the change, and now am wondering why it didn't happen). |
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| 05:30.25 | pragomer | what would you recommend for password safe: keepassx, keepass2 or keepassxc ? |
| 05:32.38 | kopper | Aren't those all secure and valid options? |
| 05:33.30 | kopper | Although Keepass2 I belive Keepass2 is newer and richer with features |
| 05:33.35 | kopper | Duh |
| 05:33.36 | pragomer | I think so, but they arent compatible with each other (not in all directions); just wondered what you guys would choose and why |
| 05:33.40 | kopper | More coffee |
| 05:33.50 | kopper | I use Keepass2 |
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| 05:34.14 | pingfloyd | pragomer: between keepass2 and keepassx, I think the latter is better |
| 05:34.23 | pingfloyd | never tried keepassxc |
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| 05:36.18 | jelly | it seems to be the latest fork |
| 05:36.33 | jelly | ,v keepassxc |
| 05:36.35 | judd | Package: keepassxc on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 2.3.4+dfsg.1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2.3.4+dfsg.1-1; sid: 2.3.4+dfsg.1-1 |
| 05:36.53 | jelly | and now there's a build for stretch I might even try it |
| 05:37.39 | jelly | we mostly use keepassx at work, some use keepass2 and their .kdbx format files are interchangeable |
| 05:42.02 | pragomer | I also use keepass2 for 2 years now. Just wondered and wanted to examine what the differences would be. |
| 05:42.04 | pragomer | thank you |
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| 06:02.37 | d-sha | Hi all If i am using systemd can i uninstall sysv-rc? |
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| 06:05.44 | n4dir | i often do "aptitude why pkgname" when unsure, but i don't fully rely on it. |
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| 06:11.42 | d-sha | n4dir thanks |
| 06:12.20 | pingfloyd | n4dir: that's pretty handy |
| 06:12.25 | pingfloyd | never knew about that one |
| 06:12.50 | n4dir | there are commands which exactly list which packages depend on an installed package, but i never understood it fully (rdepends comes to my mind, but really investigate this further). |
| 06:13.15 | n4dir | yes, pingfloyd, i use the aptitude shortcut though i can miss something, as it is easy to remember. |
| 06:13.50 | pingfloyd | I've always used things like apt-rdepends -r depends pkg for that, but that's handier. |
| 06:14.17 | n4dir | i think it is more reliable. Like said: i am really not too sure. |
| 06:14.50 | n4dir | i had aptitude why list something: i though: well, i don't care, but after removing it hell broke lose as x depends on y depends on z ... |
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| 06:15.59 | n4dir | seldom though. |
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| 06:51.12 | raziel86 | Hey guys im having trouble with nvidia drivers. |
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| 06:51.54 | raziel86 | I installed with the .run file like an idiot. Now im using this guide https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 08:34.34 | dob1 | hi, I have an usb wifi dongle after the boot the interface is named wlxsonehexnumber, a long number |
| 08:34.38 | dob1 | not wlan1, wlan0 |
| 08:34.39 | dob1 | why? |
| 08:34.47 | Habbie | because of systemd consistent interface numbering |
| 08:34.53 | Habbie | which you can disable if you want |
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| 08:35.45 | dob1 | Habbie, I don't know if it is active because other iface are named eth0, wlan0 (there is another wifi card) |
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| 08:36.13 | dob1 | anyway I can try, how can I disable it? |
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| 08:42.24 | dob1 | but anyway I don't understand why in debian this was changed to complicate things |
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| 08:42.37 | dob1 | Now I have to read docs, search on google etc to find how to get a normal interface name |
| 08:42.39 | dob1 | it's stupid |
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| 08:55.57 | dob1 | I created in /etc/systemd/network the file 10-wlan1.link the same as I read here https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/400189/276987 but no way |
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| 08:56.10 | FightingFalcon | service varnishncsa stop doesnt work |
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| 08:57.20 | dob1 | it's still wlanxbfewfwefw |
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| 09:06.39 | dob1 | no way to get it to wlan1... and the link/ether I don't now why but It changes at every boot |
| 09:07.01 | dob1 | so my MACAddress in the link file can't work (I suppose) |
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| 09:21.06 | n_1-c_k | dob1: if you didn't already try 'update-initramfs -u' as root, then reboot. |
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| 09:28.24 | dob1 | n_1-c_k, this is what I did: the link file + update-initramfs -u : doesn't work, I added to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0" in /etc/default/grub and recreated grub.cfg in /boot/grub : doesn't work |
| 09:29.03 | dob1 | I delete /lib/udev/rules.d/73-usb-net-by-mac.rules |
| 09:29.07 | dob1 | it doesn't work |
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| 09:40.21 | n_1-c_k | dob1: systemd.link(5) shows other things you might be able to match on. A tiresome business even if it works, I have to agree. |
| 09:42.56 | dob1 | I have tried this too https://askubuntu.com/a/1068150 |
| 09:42.57 | dob1 | no way |
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| 09:47.53 | dob1 | it's not right that it is some difficult to change an interface name |
| 09:48.02 | dob1 | there is something wrong... |
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| 10:06.20 | dob1 | let's try this: how can I get the ID_PATH of an usb device ? |
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| 10:19.47 | booyah | dob1: known by what? |
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| 10:20.17 | booyah | there are files in /proc and /sys there is info in lsusb check it out |
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| 10:22.25 | dob1 | booyah, I would like to name the interface created for an usb wifi dongle wlan1 or similar, right now it gives the name wlxSomeHexNumber. I tried systemd.link with match based on mac but, I don't now why, mac changes at every boot. So I am trying match by Path but I don't know how to get it |
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| 10:43.54 | muAdmDev | if yomeone remembers my cron-problem: deactivating LDAP in PAM+NSS solved the problem. Now I gotta get the PAM/NSS config straight so the system works with cron and LDAP in PAM/NSS. Thanks for your support! |
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| 10:49.06 | n_1-c_k | dob1: maybe udevadm(8) |
| 10:49.10 | muAdmDev | I'd like to link /etc/pam_ldap.conf and /etc/libnss-ldap.conf to /etc/ldap/ldap.conf, any good reasons why I shouldn't have one config file containing everything, except that it might get crowded? |
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| 11:33.28 | RoyK | ,v rclone |
| 11:33.29 | judd | Package: rclone on amd64 -- stretch: 1.35-1+b3; buster: 1.41-1; sid: 1.41-1 |
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| 11:39.22 | jelly | ,irclone |
| 11:39.25 | jelly | ,i rclone |
| 11:39.26 | judd | Package rclone (net, optional) in stretch/amd64: rsync for commercial cloud storage. Version: 1.35-1+b3; Size: 2678.7k; Installed: 10663k; Homepage: https://github.com/ncw/rclone |
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| 12:10.44 | RoyK | judd: works surprisingly well with jotta :) |
| 12:10.48 | RoyK | erm |
| 12:10.53 | RoyK | jelly, that was for you |
| 12:12.18 | jelly | I don't work with cloud APIs a lot, we have actual hardware and we like it |
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| 12:13.33 | jelly | but kids that develop stuff these days like those APIs so we may have to expose some resources to look like that |
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| 12:17.59 | bipul | I would like to create a file FILE-3 through comparing the difference from file FILE-1 & FILE-2 here it's describe in more details https://pastebin.com/raw/fTVbMB7p |
| 12:18.39 | RoyK | man diff ? |
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| 12:20.47 | n4dir | bipul: #awk has a channel, you might want to ask there. |
| 12:21.08 | bipul | n4dir: I have asked no body respond |
| 12:21.33 | n4dir | ok, sorry then. |
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| 12:27.11 | jelly | bipul: does order if lines matter, or just the content? |
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| 12:28.03 | jelly | bipul: look at "comm" command |
| 12:28.34 | bipul | jelly: I tried that, it's sorts my headers name, that not i want. |
| 12:28.53 | bipul | https://pastebin.com/raw/fTVbMB7p see here at FILE-3 |
| 12:29.37 | bipul | The output should be like FILE-3 |
| 12:29.58 | n4dir | gotta say that i don't understand the logic behind it. might well be me though. |
| 12:32.16 | jelly | bipul: what stops you from splitting the files and doing contents under each header separately |
| 12:32.56 | bipul | nobody :D but it takes hell time, if i have 100+ heades names, to make 100+ files |
| 12:34.44 | EdePopede | bipul: can you grep the lines with the headers? then you could do 'grep -n' and extract the line numbers and feeding them to `sed '${from},${to}p` (or doing all this with awk, since you're using it yet) |
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| 12:35.23 | bipul | EdePopede: Yes, I'm looking for a solution in awk. |
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| 12:35.40 | EdePopede | and for the usage: looks like an episode list to me with a 2nd file with those watched so far, list of the rest to be created. all this sorted by season |
| 12:35.48 | jelly | it is allowed to pipe output(s) of awk, perhaps in a loop, to another awk |
| 12:37.18 | EdePopede | bipul: just looking through mc's mc.ext file, has a similar concept. groups starting with '### ', entries with '# ', comments with '#'. so feel free to share your awk solution later :) |
| 12:37.45 | bipul | EdePopede: sure love to do that :) |
| 12:38.26 | EdePopede | yay, that's free software at its best \o/ |
| 12:38.52 | bipul | Yes, my all written scripts are having GNU license. |
| 12:39.48 | Iridos | jelly, wait⦠doesn't that make the universe collapse in an infinite loop? |
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| 12:44.14 | Iridos | n4dir, I think file3 has the lines ⦠not sure only the first file has⦠or only either file has |
| 12:44.53 | n4dir | Iridos: the lines where both files differ? |
| 12:46.19 | Iridos | not sure what happens when file2 has a value that file1 has not, though⦠and all just under one header |
| 12:46.25 | jelly | bipul: how long are these files anyway? 100 lines? million? billion? |
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| 12:46.55 | jelly | things are a lot easier if you can slurp them in whole into whatever scripting language of your choice |
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| 12:46.57 | Iridos | and I would suggest to just have some patience with #awk⦠they usually answer within a couple of hours, maybe up to a day |
| 12:48.06 | bipul | less then 200 |
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| 12:50.06 | bipul | Anyway i got the solution, thanks to Pentode in ##linux the guy is genius |
| 12:50.42 | bipul | EdePopede: Here is the solution diff -u FILE-1 FILE-2 | awk "NR>3" | grep -E "Header|^-|^\+" | sed -r 's|^.||' |
| 12:51.32 | EdePopede | grep, awk and sed. the GNU text trinity ;) |
| 12:51.40 | EdePopede | thanks, saved for the future |
| 12:52.33 | jelly | diff is what roy'k suggested half an hour ago, so yeah |
| 12:53.19 | jelly | try to understand what it does; diff -u output and filtering |
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| 12:54.05 | RoyK | I may have used the pathologically eclectic rubbish lister⦠|
| 12:54.56 | bipul | jelly: sure :) thank you. |
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| 12:59.40 | RoyK | ,v debsums |
| 12:59.41 | judd | Package: debsums on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.0.52+deb7u1; jessie: 2.0.53; stretch: 2.2.2; buster: 2.2.3; sid: 2.2.3 |
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| 13:36.54 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 13:36.55 | dpkg | * Guerin -> skool | <abrotman> where Guerin learns to control his irc client :) | <Guerin> amphi: i can control my irc client!!!1 |
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| 13:46.35 | at0m | ^!! |
| 13:49.03 | nyov | lol |
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| 13:50.09 | Guest39012 | does Jesse have a wifi driver? |
| 13:50.21 | darxmurf | debends of the brand |
| 13:50.24 | darxmurf | depends |
| 13:50.45 | greycat | If you're doing a new install, I'd suggest stretch instead of jessie. |
| 13:50.51 | Guest39012 | does Jessie have a wifi driver? |
| 13:51.00 | greycat | If it's on a laptop, you probably want to use the netinst image with non-free firmware included. |
| 13:51.22 | petn-randall | Guest39012: "a" wifi driver? Yes, though it's probably not what you're actually asking for. |
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| 13:56.57 | jelly | I debootstrapped a stretch system, why did I get an old kernel? Linux 4.9.0-7-amd64 |
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| 13:58.03 | jelly | right, silly debootstrap doesn't take "mirror and security", just a mirror |
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| 13:58.53 | deepblue | I'm on Jessie and I can't gat my usb wifi card configured |
| 13:59.14 | RoyK | deepblue: does lsusb see it? |
| 13:59.21 | RoyK | does ip link list see it? |
| 14:00.23 | deepblue | RoyK: usb2 controller not working |
| 14:01.23 | deepblue | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.23 | deepblue | [109489.673370] usb usb1-port5: unable to enumerate USB device |
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| 14:02.45 | deepblue | RoyK: Ralink Technology, Corp. MT7601U Wireless Adapter |
| 14:02.52 | petn-randall | deepblue: Can you paste the complete output of /var/log/kern.log after you plug in the USB wifi adapter to https://paste.debian.net? |
| 14:03.54 | deepblue | petn-randall: is this adapter supported? Ralink Technology, Corp. MT7601U Wireless Adapter |
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| 14:04.59 | deepblue | petn-randall: I'm logged via windows right now |
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| 14:07.37 | greycat | The firmware-misc-nonfree package in stretch includes firmware for the MT7601U |
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| 14:08.34 | deepblue | greycat: will this work for Jessie? |
| 14:08.45 | greycat | I have no idea. Why would you even try? |
| 14:08.59 | greycat | Is there a specific reason you want to use an older release? |
| 14:09.50 | deepblue | greycat: yep,just too lazy to reinstall all packages |
| 14:10.20 | greycat | I'm confused. Didn't you say you were in Windows? Then Debian (jessie or otherwise) isn't installed yet...? |
| 14:10.37 | petn-randall | I'm guessing dualboot. |
| 14:10.46 | petn-randall | Because the networking on jessie doesn't work. |
| 14:10.52 | deepblue | greycat: it is, bit not connected |
| 14:11.33 | deepblue | greycat: u c, the wifi adapter not working for debian |
| 14:11.36 | n4dir | if you got jessie installed, you can upgrade, no need to reinstall any packages. Or you got lots of non-repo packages. |
| 14:11.45 | greycat | https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/firmware-misc-nonfree shows MT7601U so if you can get that package from jessie-backports then it MIGHT work. |
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| 14:12.07 | petn-randall | deepblue: If this is a fresh install, I'd just start from scratch and use the stretch firmware installer. With jessie it'll be more work to set up, and it also only has limited security support. |
| 14:12.13 | petn-randall | !jessie eol |
| 14:12.49 | petn-randall | !jessie-lts |
| 14:12.49 | dpkg | Security support for Debian 8 "Jessie" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2018-05-17. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures will receive additional long term support (<LTS>) via <jessie/updates> until around 2020 for a 5 year lifetime total. See https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information |
| 14:14.43 | deepblue | petn-randall greycat , n4dir : ok,thanx a lot |
| 14:15.49 | ChrisH | On Debian Stretch (KDE) I build a LV on a full-partition-crypted PV/VG onto a external USB Disk. When I plug it on, KDE asks me to provide the Password but fails to mount the LV. The Disk is unlocked and a manual mount does succeed. I would like to have dolphin mount the LV to run a backup onto that disk. How could I do that? Searching google was not helpful so far. |
| 14:19.20 | petn-randall | ChrisH: I don't think that is possible, because that would allow unprivileged users to put VGs online. |
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| 14:25.23 | nemo | annadane: thanks for your #debian-kernel suggestion (and mention that it was on another network) |
| 14:25.54 | nemo | annadane: 04:55 -zwiebelbot:#debian-kernel- Debian#876141: linux-image-4.12.0-2-amd64: Touchpad not detected on Lenovo IdeaPad 320-15ABR - https://bugs.debian.org/876141 |
| 14:25.56 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/876141 in src:linux (open): «linux-image-4.12.0-2-amd64: Touchpad not detected on Lenovo IdeaPad 320-15ABR»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-09-18; last modified: 2018-09-13. |
| 14:25.57 | nemo | \o/ |
| 14:26.11 | nemo | heh. bot's trying to be helpful, but in this case did not add useful info ð |
| 14:26.49 | greycat | ,botsnack |
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| 14:27.10 | petn-randall | nemo: Were you able to achieve anything? |
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| 14:28.17 | nemo | petn-randall: dev built me a sid kernel, I force-installed it, -common headers, headers, kbuild and symlinked gcc-7 - result was a "working" environment ð |
| 14:28.28 | nemo | petn-randall: I'll just remember to undo all that once it makes it into backports |
| 14:28.37 | nemo | petn-randall: I confirmed with him it fixed the touchpad anyway |
| 14:28.43 | petn-randall | niiiice. |
| 14:28.51 | petn-randall | Was it Ben Hutchings? |
| 14:28.53 | nemo | Corsac |
| 14:29.24 | nemo | 04:55 < KGB-0> Yves-Alexis Perez sid 612bd44 linux debian/ changelog config/kernelarch-x86/config * https://deb.li/34b52 [x86] enable PINCTRL_AMD for touchpad support on Lenovo IdeaPad. |
| 14:29.30 | nemo | â sorry that was what I meant to paste, not the bug |
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| 14:35.41 | karlpinc | ChrisH: If all that's needed is a mount how about using autofs to automatically mount the drive when referenced? After unlocking with kde. |
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| 14:42.31 | ChrisH | karlpinc: hmmm... So sad that an old AutoFS fan like me.... Thanks for pointing there. I will give that a try. |
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| 15:11.03 | petn-randall | nemo: Ah nice, good to see it got resolved quickly. |
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| 15:13.16 | nemo | petn-randall: I realise my little laptop is not a big deal in the scheme of things distro-wise, but is pretty cool that people are happy to help if they aren't too busy and you actually ask... |
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| 15:13.30 | nemo | plus, I bet there's probably another few thousand lenovo ideapad users who will be appreciative |
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| 15:15.53 | petn-randall | nemo: Indeed. Most of the bug reports go unresolved because the kernel maintainer cannot reproduce the issue, due to missing hardware. |
| 15:16.40 | nemo | mmmm. BTW on that front |
| 15:16.46 | nemo | petn-randall: it appears it might have been resolved in ubuntu first? |
| 15:16.51 | petn-randall | nemo: And unfortunately they cannot trust every bug report, because a lot of users do poor debugging and blame an issue on a specific setting in the kernel (or other things). So the kernel maintainer are very reluctant to change things. |
| 15:16.56 | nemo | I guess the kernel is a place where ubuntu deviates from debian |
| 15:17.03 | nemo | but do you guys ever work together on stuff like this? |
| 15:17.08 | petn-randall | nemo: Not only the kernel, Ubuntu changes a lot of things from Debian. |
| 15:17.13 | greycat | or an ubuntu developer happened to have your laptop |
| 15:17.24 | petn-randall | nemo: There is some overlap, but not that much. |
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| 15:17.55 | nemo | in this particular case there was also a couple of upstream kernel bugs - but unfortunately they were not linked to the debian bug report - I guess I should have done that when I found the debian one. oh well |
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| 15:19.22 | petn-randall | nemo: It's not that trivial, though. Enabling this feature might break some *other* hardware, so there needs to be some testing, or other ways of verification. Which is why the kernel devs don't touch settings that easily. |
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| 15:19.44 | nemo | sure sure |
| 15:19.51 | nemo | petn-randall: certainly crossed my mind |
| 15:20.11 | nemo | petn-randall: I think one thing that helped calm the kernel dev was that debian already had it enabled for some AMD - the arm ones ⺠|
| 15:20.23 | nemo | but yeah, obv he wanted me to verify it worked |
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| 15:21.14 | petn-randall | nemo: Thanks for helping, super cool! |
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| 15:25.09 | nemo | heh well, I was incentivised to ofc ⺠|
| 15:25.32 | nemo | situation in linux is so much better than in past tho - used to be getting *anything* to work on linux laptops was a real crapshoot |
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| 15:25.59 | nemo | nowdays can almost just buy a random laptop and it's gonna work. esp if it was made a year or two ago |
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| 15:27.38 | petn-randall | nemo: Indeed. Only downside is that practically every wifi controller nowadays needs non-free firmware. :( |
| 15:28.07 | nemo | hm... |
| 15:28.28 | nemo | petn-randall: firmware as in... code inside the wifi chip itself, or non-free blob to drive a dumb wifi controller run by the kernel? |
| 15:29.17 | nemo | petn-randall: non-free code in hardware is unfortunately everywhere these days. wifi, basically all CPUs and GPUs, SSDs.. |
| 15:29.49 | nemo | wifi is certainly more disturbing since it has access to the outside world. at least my SSD is in theory more limited |
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| 15:31.25 | petn-randall | nemo: Yes, non-free code running on the wifi chip. Also SSDs usually have some ARM chips on there with quite a bit of firmware running on it. |
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| 15:34.57 | nemo | petn-randall: for sure. there was that neat demo of running a server on SSD |
| 15:35.51 | nemo | yeah, it's a problem and unfortunately there's no company out there AFAIK that is offering full FOSS hardware solution if I wanted to build a truly FOSS laptop |
| 15:35.54 | nemo | not enough demand |
| 15:36.11 | nemo | petn-randall: I just bought a pinebook for my SO to get her off the chromebook - even the pinebook is using that mali GPU w/ proprietary nonsense |
| 15:36.21 | nemo | although there's been some improvement on that front - I think there's finally a FOSS driver |
| 15:36.34 | nemo | and ofc the ARM chip is just the usual |
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| 15:57.39 | jhutchins_wk | One reson for non-free firmware on wifi is that there are government regulations restricting the frequencies and power levels that are allowed, and there is fear of liability if the manufacturer fails to enforce those restrictions. |
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| 16:01.02 | petn-randall | jhutchins_wk: IIRC there's no way of the firmware/device knowing in which country its being operated in. |
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| 16:02.30 | TyrfingMjolnir | I have an RX200 S4 from Fujitsu |
| 16:02.37 | TyrfingMjolnir | It claims to find 2 NICs |
| 16:02.42 | TyrfingMjolnir | Is this pure politician talk? |
| 16:03.02 | TyrfingMjolnir | The machine is not able to receive DHCP |
| 16:03.48 | TyrfingMjolnir | Through the debian net installer |
| 16:04.02 | TyrfingMjolnir | Does the machine need some drivers? |
| 16:06.00 | SerajewelKS | TyrfingMjolnir: lspci -vv |
| 16:06.08 | SerajewelKS | TyrfingMjolnir: look for the network devices, see which module is in use |
| 16:06.25 | nyov | does the d-i have lspci? |
| 16:06.42 | SerajewelKS | pretty sure it does |
| 16:06.47 | nyov | nice |
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| 16:09.09 | TyrfingMjolnir | There is no lspci |
| 16:09.32 | TyrfingMjolnir | cat /proc/<<what>>? |
| 16:09.37 | TyrfingMjolnir | or lsmod? |
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| 16:09.53 | SerajewelKS | TyrfingMjolnir: why not just use DVD #1, it can complete the install offline |
| 16:10.02 | TyrfingMjolnir | Oki |
| 16:10.18 | SerajewelKS | it should install tools like lspci which we can use to figure out what's up with the NICs |
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| 16:11.35 | TyrfingMjolnir | This one? https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-9.5.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
| 16:11.54 | SerajewelKS | yeah |
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| 16:11.59 | jhutchins_wk | petn-randall: I seem to recall seeing some things in dmesg that indicates it does decide, but I don't have non-US experience to compare. |
| 16:12.01 | SerajewelKS | you only need the first one |
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| 16:16.39 | bipul | jelly: How do you compare two files ? |
| 16:17.30 | bipul | I know how to use comm but how to automate comparing two files? |
| 16:17.42 | jelly | what kind of files? |
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| 16:18.19 | jelly | bipul: I thought you'd look up what diff -u did? |
| 16:18.47 | bipul | No i'm just trying the other possibilities |
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| 16:21.42 | TyrfingMjolnir | BCM5708 are the NICs |
| 16:22.05 | jelly | bipul: it depends on what kind of data is inside |
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| 16:23.14 | bipul | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:25.34 | antto | ? backports |
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| 16:26.57 | annadane | antto, what would you like to know about backports? |
| 16:26.58 | RoyK | bipul: you asked some hours ago, I told you to use diff or perl |
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| 16:27.10 | annadane | you can find information on backports.debian.org |
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| 16:27.18 | RoyK | !backports |
| 16:27.19 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 16:27.49 | YesMan | I read somewhere there was no backport for stretch are there? |
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| 16:28.34 | bipul | RoyK: Yes just trying different possibilities. |
| 16:28.42 | antto | i have kicad 4.0.5 currently, and it seems there's finally kicad5 available in these backports - i wanna obtain it very much |
| 16:28.49 | antto | ,v kicad |
| 16:28.50 | judd | Package: kicad on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.20120526+bzr3261-1; jessie: 0.20140622+bzr4027-3; jessie-backports: 4.0.5+dfsg1-4~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.0.5+dfsg1-4; jessie-backports-sloppy: 4.0.7+dfsg1-1~bpo8+1; stretch-backports: 5.0.0+dfsg1-2~bpo9+1; buster: 5.0.0+dfsg1-2; sid: 5.0.0+dfsg1-2 |
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| 16:29.40 | RoyK | bipul: upload a sample of the file and please reply to the question asked above "do you need them in the original order?" |
| 16:30.00 | bipul | sure.. :) |
| 16:30.11 | bipul | yes |
| 16:30.49 | bipul | wait a minute |
| 16:30.53 | awal1 | i thought a new .xsession-errors is created on each new login? |
| 16:30.56 | RoyK | bipul: start with a sample, and perhaps someone can help |
| 16:31.59 | greycat | awal1: /etc/X11/Xsession opens the "$ERRFILE" in append mode |
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| 16:34.25 | awal1 | greycat, excuses, i don't understand "append mode" |
| 16:34.49 | greycat | new content is added to the end of the file |
| 16:34.58 | awal1 | ah, ok |
| 16:36.31 | awal1 | the first line "Xsession: X session started for userx at mié dic 13 00:36:48 EST 2017" is the first login date? |
| 16:36.55 | greycat | Could be. |
| 16:37.08 | awal1 | ok |
| 16:37.12 | greycat | You might have logged in but not run 'startx', or you might have removed the file, or who knows. |
| 16:37.23 | awal1 | right |
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| 16:38.54 | awal1 | i may have removed the file bcoz this system have at least 3 years |
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| 16:41.07 | antto | since i'm adding it via synaptic, is "stretch-backports" a "section" or a "distribution" ? |
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| 16:41.32 | majest1c | how do I clear what's in the .plan file? |
| 16:41.41 | jelly | edit it? |
| 16:41.41 | majest1c | Is there a command to clear it |
| 16:41.46 | majest1c | Where is it located though |
| 16:41.54 | jelly | in your home directory |
| 16:42.02 | majest1c | Or can I clear it with a bash command |
| 16:42.18 | jelly | you can truncate a file with bash, sure |
| 16:42.43 | petn-randall | majest1c: You don't want to have a .plan? |
| 16:42.44 | jelly | cp /dev/null some_file_to_shorten_to_zero_bytes |
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| 16:43.02 | greycat | jelly: or simply > file |
| 16:43.05 | jelly | you're allowed to delete it, too |
| 16:43.08 | bipul | RoyK: Thank you, i would love to share you, but at this moment i got an idea, let me try myself first. |
| 16:43.45 | majest1c | I dont see the .plan file when i "ls" in home dir |
| 16:43.53 | greycat | I didn't think anything still used .plan unless someone's still running a finger daemon. |
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| 16:44.00 | jelly | majest1c: ls -a .plan |
| 16:44.05 | jelly | or just ls -a |
| 16:44.11 | petn-randall | a man, a plan, a canal â panama! |
| 16:44.34 | majest1c | jelly: ls: cannot access '.plan': No such file or directory |
| 16:45.05 | nemo | I still have a .signature file at least ⺠|
| 16:45.16 | nemo | but yeah, no more .plan |
| 16:45.26 | majest1c | I can write to plan but I cant see it, weird |
| 16:45.42 | nemo | um. wow. |
| 16:45.42 | nemo | $ ls -ad .* | wc -l |
| 16:45.42 | nemo | 312 |
| 16:45.45 | antto | okay, figured it.. i wonder, can i use synaptic to install from backports, given that synaptic shows the new packages..? |
| 16:45.48 | greycat | .* matches .. |
| 16:45.51 | nemo | gotta clean up my home |
| 16:46.01 | nemo | greycat: ok. so 310 minus . and .. |
| 16:46.22 | greycat | Why would you want to "clean" that? |
| 16:46.43 | nemo | .RealNetworks_RealCookies_60 .RealNetworks_RealMediaSDK_60 etc etc |
| 16:46.56 | nemo | .serverauth.XXXXX for half a dozen pids |
| 16:47.00 | nemo | so much junk |
| 16:47.05 | jhutchins_wk | antto: Time to learn the CLI. |
| 16:47.12 | greycat | -rw-rw-r-- 1 greg greg 80186 Jul 21 2002 .RealNetworks_RealMediaSDK_60 |
| 16:47.20 | nemo | you too eh ⺠|
| 16:47.23 | greycat | Guess so. |
| 16:47.30 | nemo | my oldest one is 2007 |
| 16:47.34 | antto | jhutchins_wk i already got the apt-get -t command sitting in the terminal, but.. |
| 16:47.41 | antto | synaptic is more visual |
| 16:47.47 | jelly | realplayer! |
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| 16:48.03 | nemo | greycat: even worse... $ /bin/ls $HOME | wc -l |
| 16:48.03 | nemo | 538 |
| 16:48.12 | antto | if synaptic works equivalently, it is safer for me to use it instead of commands |
| 16:48.34 | greycat | The .Real* are close to my oldest dot files. Same year. The oldest is actually .Xmodmap and it's all comments at the moment. It has a commented-out thing for swapping Caps Lock and Left Ctrl. |
| 16:48.55 | jelly | drwx------ 3 jelly staff 4096 Oct 11 2000 .icq |
| 16:49.19 | greycat | ... wtf, my ~/.icq is dated 2015. |
| 16:49.29 | petn-randall | jelly: I think I've still got one clip buffering in realplayer from 1999. |
| 16:49.45 | nemo | greycat: ls -lt /etc | tail -n 1 | awk '{print $6,$7,$8}' - my oldest etc config is apparently from September 11, 2002 |
| 16:49.48 | greycat | what on earth did I do in 2015 that could have updated that |
| 16:49.54 | jelly | --sort=time |
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| 16:50.04 | jelly | is -t ? |
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| 16:50.11 | nemo | jelly: yes |
| 16:50.48 | awal1 | majest1c, what says "stat .plan" |
| 16:51.37 | jelly | greycat: bad touch |
| 16:52.17 | TyrfingMjolnir | bnx2 |
| 16:52.20 | greycat | pretty sure it wasn't anything like a wild touch command |
| 16:52.22 | majest1c | awal1: I solved it now, thanks though! |
| 16:52.28 | nemo | greycat: haha. my user home has been preserved unchanged since my first linux install it seems |
| 16:52.34 | annadane | greycat, your box is infested with gremlins |
| 16:52.34 | TyrfingMjolnir | SerajewelKS: bnx2 |
| 16:52.36 | nemo | $ ls -alt | tail -n 1 | awk '{print $6,$7,$8}' |
| 16:52.39 | nemo | Jul 5 1995 |
| 16:52.40 | nemo | that year is accurate |
| 16:52.47 | greycat | nemo: sadly, mine doesn't go that far back. |
| 16:53.33 | nemo | greycat: the /etc accurately reflects the creation of this machine tho back in 2002 |
| 16:53.34 | awal1 | majest1c, if you ask something then you solve it, it is a good idea share your solution, other people may learn :P |
| 16:53.39 | nemo | it's gone through some hardware changes since ⺠|
| 16:53.47 | awal1 | this is why debian is a community |
| 16:53.47 | TyrfingMjolnir | This one I presume: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-bnx2 |
| 16:54.17 | petn-randall | drwx------ 2 randall randall 4096 Apr 24 2009 .gvfs |
| 16:54.32 | petn-randall | I guess I used "cp -a" back then to migrate my home dir. |
| 16:54.39 | awal1 | community = solutions also, not only problems ;) |
| 16:54.58 | majest1c | awal1: I didn't see the file in the dir but I could edit it by "vi /home/.plan" |
| 16:55.20 | majest1c | Also "finger -l" shows where it's located etc |
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| 16:56.27 | jelly | TyrfingMjolnir: you'll want the version from stretch, not jessie, but yeah |
| 16:56.44 | KaffeeKatrin | Hello, I'm looking for a simple way to black some text in a pdf document, any suggestions on what application to use? or can evince do this somehow |
| 16:57.00 | KaffeeKatrin | I know I could do it by importing to gimp |
| 16:57.06 | awal1 | try pdfchain |
| 16:57.14 | KaffeeKatrin | awal1: I'll have a look, thank you |
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| 16:57.27 | awal1 | ,v pdftk |
| 16:57.28 | judd | Package: pdftk on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.44-7; jessie: 2.02-2; sid: 2.02-4+b2; stretch: 2.02-4+b2 |
| 16:57.29 | jelly | KaffeeKatrin: you probably don't want to just apply an overlay and keep the text actually inside the document |
| 16:57.30 | TyrfingMjolnir | jelly: Probably the one I'm running: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-bnx2 DVD1 from 9.5 |
| 16:58.00 | greycat | 9.5 is a stretch point release; jessie is 8.* |
| 16:58.04 | awal1 | pdfchain is the gtk frontend for pdftk, KaffeeKatrin |
| 16:58.10 | jelly | TyrfingMjolnir: that "jessie" string in the URL refers to Debian 8, not 9 |
| 16:58.36 | TyrfingMjolnir | So this one: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/firmware-bnx2 |
| 16:58.54 | jelly | yus |
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| 17:00.36 | jelly | ,v firmware-bnx2 |
| 17:00.37 | judd | Package: firmware-bnx2 on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-3~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-3; stretch-backports/non-free: 20180825+dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20180825+dfsg-1; sid/non-free: 20180825+dfsg-1 |
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| 17:04.26 | KaffeeKatrin | awal1: I can't seem to find a guide on how to remove text with pdfchain or pdftk, do you know of any? |
| 17:07.00 | awal1 | KaffeeKatrin, i just used pdfchain for split pdf docs. not sure about your goal |
| 17:07.19 | awal1 | i suggested it bcoz it have several features and it is a good software |
| 17:07.21 | KaffeeKatrin | well, erasing text |
| 17:07.38 | awal1 | i think you can do something with libbreoffice-draw too |
| 17:07.49 | KaffeeKatrin | got to hand in bankstatements for some gov office and I'm allowed to redact stuff |
| 17:07.56 | awal1 | i split pdf s with it too |
| 17:08.02 | awal1 | you may be able to erase |
| 17:08.04 | KaffeeKatrin | They don't need to know where I go to buy things |
| 17:08.04 | awal1 | check it |
| 17:08.27 | KaffeeKatrin | at that point I might as well use gimp, or does that not remove the text really? |
| 17:08.32 | jelly | it does |
| 17:09.07 | jelly | assuming gimp really renders the whole thing to bitmaps to import |
| 17:09.15 | greycat | you can remove the pixels that constitute the text, or you can cover up those pixels with other pixels, so make sure you do the one you actually want |
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| 17:09.38 | greycat | also we don't know whether this particular PDF has the text stored as text, or as a bitmap |
| 17:11.18 | KaffeeKatrin | as text |
| 17:11.59 | greycat | you could always edit the raw .pdf file and overwrite the strings with XXXXX |
| 17:12.13 | jelly | ^^ |
| 17:12.27 | queip | KaffeeKatrin: there are tools if you google it |
| 17:12.28 | queip | some work |
| 17:12.32 | queip | it's actually complicated process |
| 17:12.44 | TyrfingMjolnir | I now did the complete install from DVD 1, however booting the system is not possible as drive letter changed from sdb to sda |
| 17:12.48 | TyrfingMjolnir | No UUID? |
| 17:13.23 | jelly | TyrfingMjolnir: how does the boot fail and where precisely? |
| 17:13.42 | TyrfingMjolnir | gave up waiting for root device. Common problems: boot args ( cat |
| 17:13.42 | TyrfingMjolnir | /proc/cmdline ) |
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| 17:14.07 | TyrfingMjolnir | fstab? |
| 17:14.08 | jelly | TyrfingMjolnir: in grub menu, press 'e' to edit the linux command line |
| 17:14.14 | TyrfingMjolnir | oki |
| 17:14.22 | TyrfingMjolnir | blkid? |
| 17:14.25 | jelly | that's an issue within initramfs. |
| 17:14.35 | TyrfingMjolnir | or sda? |
| 17:14.44 | jelly | might be lack of drivers, might be something else |
| 17:14.56 | TyrfingMjolnir | It's just plain sdX error |
| 17:15.07 | KaffeeKatrin | queip: someone suggested libreoffice and it worked just fine to remove the text |
| 17:15.08 | TyrfingMjolnir | as the drive number changed after I removed the install media |
| 17:15.16 | KaffeeKatrin | queip: it was easy |
| 17:15.39 | jelly | TyrfingMjolnir: unlikely |
| 17:15.41 | tagomago | Hey people! Silly question. My Thunderbird just got auto-updated to 60.0 on my Stretch like 10 mins ago, and Lightning has disappeared. I already searched for the issue and tried this: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/calendar-updates-issues-thunderbird ..... but the values there don't match here, so it can't fix it... Thanks in advance. My breath is so uneasy without my calendars... :-) |
| 17:16.02 | jelly | TyrfingMjolnir: by default debian uses uuids in both grub.conf and fstab |
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| 17:16.07 | luna | Debian mentioned in todays Gitlab event |
| 17:16.43 | petn-randall | tagomago: It's a known issue, and unfortunately didn't get fixed in time. You can simply remove the lightning calendar debian package, and install the extension by hand. Then your calendar will be back. |
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| 17:17.35 | tagomago | Ahhh, thanks a lot petn-randall. My breath gettin' better. |
| 17:17.45 | jelly | petn-randall: apparently lightning now comes by default |
| 17:18.02 | petn-randall | jelly: It does? |
| 17:18.04 | jelly | builtin |
| 17:18.11 | jelly | at least in mozilla's builds |
| 17:18.29 | jelly | so you just have to get rid of the xul one |
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| 17:19.15 | tagomago | So do I delete the package? |
| 17:19.32 | jelly | you purge or remove it |
| 17:19.45 | tagomago | Correct, let's try. |
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| 17:21.33 | queip | I wonder if KafeeKatrin will have the PDF will all his secrets, with a vector rectangle object added on top |
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| 17:21.45 | queip | as this embarassing FBI documents sometimes |
| 17:21.46 | jelly | queip: precisely |
| 17:22.01 | queip | shrugs |
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| 17:23.21 | TyrfingMjolnir | jelly I renamed sda1 to sdb1 and pushed F10 |
| 17:23.25 | TyrfingMjolnir | The system now boots |
| 17:23.29 | TyrfingMjolnir | There is no ifconfig |
| 17:23.32 | TyrfingMjolnir | I tried ip a |
| 17:23.36 | TyrfingMjolnir | and dhclient |
| 17:23.39 | ntd | apt-get install net-tools |
| 17:24.08 | petn-randall | TyrfingMjolnir: Which installer did you use? Because I'm fairly sure that any recent one uses UUIDs by default. |
| 17:24.11 | ntd | welcome back, ifconfig&co |
| 17:24.23 | TyrfingMjolnir | petn-randall: DVD1 9.5 iso |
| 17:24.33 | jelly | TyrfingMjolnir: run "update-grub" and see if that fixes /boot/grub/grub.conf |
| 17:24.40 | TyrfingMjolnir | https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-9.5.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
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| 17:24.58 | jelly | TyrfingMjolnir: before that, verify /boot/grub/device.map looks sane |
| 17:25.15 | TyrfingMjolnir | It now boots after editing the grub file and pushing F10 |
| 17:25.30 | TyrfingMjolnir | Not sure if pushing F10 made this persistent? |
| 17:25.53 | jelly | do not edit it manually |
| 17:26.02 | petn-randall | TyrfingMjolnir: How did you prepare the installation medium? |
| 17:26.07 | greycat | I don't have a /boot/grub/device.map file. Should I? |
| 17:26.32 | TyrfingMjolnir | However typing dhclient reveals an error: bnx2 0000:18:00.0 firmware: failedto load bnx2-mips-06-6.2.3.fw |
| 17:26.37 | jelly | no, F10 is just a one-off command for that grub run to continue booting |
| 17:26.50 | greycat | ,file bnx2-mips-06-6.2.3.fw |
| 17:26.54 | judd | Search for bnx2-mips-06-6.2.3.fw in stretch/amd64: firmware-bnx2: lib/firmware/bnx2/bnx2-mips-06-6.2.3.fw |
| 17:27.07 | TyrfingMjolnir | petn-randall: time cat iso > /dev/sdX |
| 17:27.07 | jelly | greycat: hum. it might be not needed on an UEFI system |
| 17:27.34 | greycat | This system is legacy, or at least the disk partition is dos. |
| 17:27.50 | greycat | And there's no EFI partition. |
| 17:27.59 | jelly | no idea. A very fresh stretch VM booted with BIOS also does not have it. |
| 17:28.12 | jelly | but how does grub know which disk is which then?!?!?!? |
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| 17:28.30 | TyrfingMjolnir | jelly: There is no /boot/grub/device.map |
| 17:28.42 | jhutchins_wk | TyrfingMjolnir: Edits made through the grub boot menu are not persistent. |
| 17:28.52 | tagomago | Nah, jelly, I removed the Lightning package, re-opened Thunderbird and still can't see Calendars. |
| 17:28.52 | jelly | TyrfingMjolnir: what does your /proc/cmdline look right now? |
| 17:29.22 | greycat | "If the device map file does not exist, then the GRUB utilities will assume a temporary device map on the fly. This is often good enough, particularly in the common case of single-disk systems." https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub/html_node/Device-map.html |
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| 17:30.05 | jelly | greycat: that explains how the installer might have gotten it wrong |
| 17:30.25 | TyrfingMjolnir | jelly: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.9.0-amd64 root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet |
| 17:30.31 | jelly | good grief |
| 17:30.36 | jelly | that's a regression |
| 17:30.50 | petn-randall | o_O |
| 17:31.13 | TyrfingMjolnir | ? |
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| 17:31.32 | jelly | TyrfingMjolnir: what does your /etc/default/grub look like? |
| 17:31.41 | jelly | !paste |
| 17:31.41 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net or https://0bin.net/ | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 17:32.04 | jelly | TyrfingMjolnir: does /etc/fstab also refer to /dev/sda1 ? |
| 17:32.50 | greycat | The BOOT_IMAGE looks wrong too. It's missing the -8- or whatever kernel ABI string. |
| 17:33.14 | jelly | I'm going to assume that's a transcription error |
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| 17:34.06 | tagomago | So it looks like, on TB 60.0, Lightning still works as extension? But the updated Lightning version (6.2) doesn't work with that TB ver. I even can't install any Lightning version from the Thunderbird extension manager... All non-compatible. Sigh. |
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| 17:34.28 | TyrfingMjolnir | The /etc/grub.conf has 5 lines |
| 17:34.39 | jelly | TyrfingMjolnir: a camera shot of the screen, uploaded to imgur is acceptable if you can't easily copy the text |
| 17:34.40 | TyrfingMjolnir | ehh /etc/default/grub |
| 17:35.06 | jelly | a screenshot if you will |
| 17:36.18 | greycat | https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/calendar-updates-issues-thunderbird is an interesting read |
| 17:36.27 | greycat | It might mean more to me if I had ever used Thunderbird before. |
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| 17:38.18 | jelly | cats frown on your calendars |
| 17:38.45 | greycat | Mine would probably sit on a calendar, if it could knock it down onto the floor. |
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| 17:43.27 | TyrfingMjolnir | jelly: https://ggt6671.imgur.com/all/ |
| 17:44.09 | greycat | bogus URL |
| 17:44.50 | TyrfingMjolnir | https://imgur.com/oEZDgdh |
| 17:45.02 | TyrfingMjolnir | https://imgur.com/hcL5Py0 |
| 17:45.10 | TyrfingMjolnir | https://imgur.com/nyqLeif |
| 17:45.17 | TyrfingMjolnir | https://imgur.com/oOCducj |
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| 17:46.25 | greycat | The fstab looks fine. For the firmware, you just need to install the firmware-bnx2 package. |
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| 17:46.38 | SerajewelKS | TyrfingMjolnir: you should just need to install the firmware-bnx2 package to get the network working. grab this URL and throw it on a thumb drive: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-bnx2_20161130-3_all.deb |
| 17:47.08 | SerajewelKS | then "dpkg -i" it, then reboot. or modprobe -r and modprobe the bnx2 module. |
| 17:49.10 | TyrfingMjolnir | Or is firmware-bnx2_20161130-3_all.deb on DVD1? |
| 17:49.21 | greycat | It won't be on the standard DVD images because it's non-free. |
| 17:49.22 | SerajewelKS | it's nonfree so i would assume not |
| 17:49.30 | TyrfingMjolnir | Oki |
| 17:49.49 | nyov | for curiosity's sake; what would be a good way to verify such a download against the local keyring? |
| 17:50.02 | majest1c | I should change something in my .tcshrc file, should that file be located in my home dir? If not, should I create one? |
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| 17:51.17 | SerajewelKS | nyov: i don't know about the local keyring, but p.d.o has checksums |
| 17:51.18 | nyov | majest1c: yes, that would be in $HOME, if it exists |
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| 17:52.23 | nyov | is debsig-verify the tool for that? |
| 17:52.38 | greycat | nyov: get the SHA256 from your /var/lib/apt/lists/*_debian_dists_stretch_main_binary-amd64_Packages |
| 17:52.56 | greycat | err, well, that would only work for packages in main of course |
| 17:53.07 | SerajewelKS | greycat: except TyrfingMjolnir won't have it there, because nonfree and.... yeah. you got it. |
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| 17:53.28 | SerajewelKS | for the paranoid verifying the checksum against p.d.o should be sufficient |
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| 17:53.50 | greycat | verify it on a Debian machine that has updated lists for non-free |
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| 17:54.04 | SerajewelKS | or that |
| 17:55.33 | tagomago | greycat: thanks! Yeah, I already went through that article before asking here, it did nothing. |
| 17:56.14 | greycat | I was actually hoping to find a link to the Lightning extension itself, but strangely, Google doesn't seem to want me to find that. |
| 17:56.59 | nyov | greycat: https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/addon/lightning/?src=search |
| 17:57.02 | nyov | ? |
| 17:57.19 | TyrfingMjolnir | Can I run update-grub? |
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| 17:57.25 | TyrfingMjolnir | Or will that break my system? |
| 17:57.37 | greycat | that one says "works with thunderbird 52.0-52.*" |
| 17:58.06 | tagomago | Yeah, that's what it shows if it doesn't know what you have |
| 17:58.36 | nyov | wasn't it that TB60 brings it's own version of lightning? or perhaps I misread someone there |
| 17:58.51 | tagomago | I should |
| 17:58.56 | tagomago | *it |
| 17:59.22 | tagomago | I'll reinstall the Lightning package and see what happens |
| 17:59.42 | greycat | Isn't the debian package of lightning known NOT to work? |
| 17:59.56 | n4dir | i try to play a video with mpv, it does start, but it is so slow you can't watch it. I never use videoplayers and can't make any sense of the error message: http://paste.debian.net/1043494/ |
| 18:00.20 | greycat | ,v lightning |
| 18:00.22 | judd | Package: lightning on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 1:52.8.0-1~deb7u1; jessie: 1:52.8.0-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 1:52.8.0-1~deb8u1; stretch: 1:52.8.0-1~deb9u1; buster: 1:52.9.1-1; stretch-security: 1:60.0-3~deb9u1; sid: 1:60.0-3 |
| 18:00.34 | greycat | Ah, the one in stretch-security has a huge version bump. |
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| 18:01.05 | greycat | You could give that a shot. |
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| 18:02.56 | tagomago | that's the one I use, yup ---> 1:60.0-3~deb9u1 |
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| 18:03.39 | tagomago | Reinstalling worked!!! |
| 18:04.21 | plasmoduck | Is there an "official" channel for people usin 4.4.0-17134-Microsoft #285-Microsoft Debian? |
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| 18:04.42 | nyov | just grepped my logs, someone else said this: |
| 18:04.43 | nyov | < mahe> Got it! The fix was quite simple: I just needed to install the lightning-l10n-* package for the same language as my thunderbird! |
| 18:04.46 | plasmoduck | Microsoft Debian for Window 10. |
| 18:04.48 | tagomago | Ok, my heart rate back to normal... thanks ploeple. |
| 18:05.27 | tagomago | Yeah, I also added my language pack for Lightning, that may be the key. |
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| 18:09.35 | SerajewelKS | TyrfingMjolnir: you can try update-grub |
| 18:09.58 | SerajewelKS | TyrfingMjolnir: all that should do is regenerate your grub config and copy needed grub files (modules/translations) to /boot/grub |
| 18:10.26 | greycat | I suspect that will happen when he installs the firmware package anyway. Unless I'm confused. |
| 18:10.46 | greycat | It will *definitely* happen if he gets networking up, and installs the -8- kernel. :) |
| 18:10.56 | SerajewelKS | it might, though i don't know if the NIC firmware is really necessary in the initrd |
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| 18:11.38 | SerajewelKS | i guess it depends when the bnx2 module gets loaded |
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| 18:13.49 | TyrfingMjolnir | Trying to boot the system again now with USB w/firmware-bnx2 |
| 18:14.00 | TyrfingMjolnir | Now /dev/sdb1 is required in grub |
| 18:14.14 | TyrfingMjolnir | hardcoded /dev/sdX is a bit dated, no? |
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| 18:14.59 | greycat | That's why we are hoping that when you run update-grub, this will be fixed. |
| 18:15.12 | SerajewelKS | yeah update-grub should be using a UUID |
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| 18:17.52 | TyrfingMjolnir | update-grub was run |
| 18:17.56 | TyrfingMjolnir | How do I verify this? |
| 18:18.22 | YesMan_ | Hey does lspci being able to gather all the data on a device means that the device is correctly setup? I get a direct firmware load failed error for my GPU firmware at startup. As I have no GUI on the machine it's hard to check if the video is working fine |
| 18:18.41 | TyrfingMjolnir | Do I have to reboot? |
| 18:18.47 | TyrfingMjolnir | Or can I just cat some file? |
| 18:18.54 | greycat | in /boot/grub/grub.cfg you should have stuff like linux /vmlinuz-4.9.0-8-amd64 root=UUID=57cd3d98-68de-46b4-b8ad-ed3c8e2f7c10 ro |
| 18:19.07 | TyrfingMjolnir | # route -n |
| 18:19.08 | TyrfingMjolnir | bash: route: command not found |
| 18:19.14 | greycat | ip route |
| 18:19.56 | TyrfingMjolnir | ip route looks OK |
| 18:20.18 | TyrfingMjolnir | vim has no installation candidate |
| 18:20.31 | greycat | !stretch sources.list |
| 18:20.31 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 18:20.43 | TyrfingMjolnir | DNS works |
| 18:20.45 | greycat | If you installed without a working network, your sources.list may be missing the mirrors. |
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| 18:22.28 | TyrfingMjolnir | True |
| 18:22.30 | TyrfingMjolnir | Fixed now |
| 18:22.50 | TyrfingMjolnir | I also have this: |
| 18:22.51 | TyrfingMjolnir | locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 18:22.51 | TyrfingMjolnir | locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 18:22.53 | greycat | (I wish that weren't the case, and that it would simply give you a sources.list with the standard mirror lines, commented out.) |
| 18:23.21 | greycat | export LANG=C for now, and then run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" |
| 18:23.28 | greycat | After that, you can set your LANG properly. |
| 18:23.43 | TyrfingMjolnir | locale-gen enough to get rid of the nagging? |
| 18:25.49 | TyrfingMjolnir | Hmmm |
| 18:26.01 | SerajewelKS | YesMan_: lspci doesn't really talk to the device, it just checks what kernel module is in use (as well as gathering some other info). so no, lspci's output should not change at all whether or not any required firmware was loaded. |
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| 18:27.08 | TyrfingMjolnir | https://pastebin.com/raw/TG61sQNa |
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| 18:27.51 | TyrfingMjolnir | greycat: https://pastebin.com/raw/TG61sQNa |
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| 18:27.56 | YesMan_ | SerajewelKS, how could I test the graphics card in CLI only? |
| 18:28.05 | greycat | what does "locale" say, and what does "locale -a" say? |
| 18:28.42 | SerajewelKS | YesMan_: start X and check the logs? :) |
| 18:28.55 | SerajewelKS | (i'm sure there's another way but i don't know what it would be) |
| 18:31.34 | TyrfingMjolnir | greycat: http://termbin.com/v9me |
| 18:31.35 | YesMan_ | SerajewelKS, I really don't have a gui, so no X server as well. Thanks for the info ^^ |
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| 18:32.05 | greycat | those LANGUAGE and LC_CTYPE variables look wrong; try unsetting those |
| 18:32.18 | SerajewelKS | YesMan_: then why do you even need the firmware to be working? :) |
| 18:33.13 | TyrfingMjolnir | greycat: how? |
| 18:33.20 | TyrfingMjolnir | export LANGUAGE-""? |
| 18:33.21 | greycat | unset LANGUAGE LC_CTYPE |
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| 18:34.09 | YesMan | SerajewelKS, to be able to perform Opencl calculation and such, I won't use it for display |
| 18:34.33 | greycat | YesMan: then try running your cryptomining program or whatever it is that you wanted to use |
| 18:35.30 | TyrfingMjolnir | greycat: http://termbin.com/0hyy |
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| 18:38.13 | greycat | that looks better. |
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| 18:38.52 | SerajewelKS | YesMan: ah, gotcha. in that case maybe you just run a sample opencl calculation and see if it works. |
| 18:38.57 | greycat | You may end up having to track down whatever put those bogus values in your environment. Possibly places include ~/.profile ~/.bashrc /etc/environment /etc/default/locale |
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| 18:40.42 | greycat | (and others, but those seem the most likely) |
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| 18:43.01 | TyrfingMjolnir | Why would I track them down? |
| 18:43.12 | greycat | so it doesn't happen again next time you login |
| 18:43.41 | GNU\colossus | also, ~/.pam_environment |
| 18:43.50 | TyrfingMjolnir | cat /etc/default/locale | tb |
| 18:43.58 | TyrfingMjolnir | http://termbin.com/xi4v |
| 18:44.45 | TyrfingMjolnir | cat .profile | tb http://termbin.com/bh2i |
| 18:44.53 | greycat | GNU\colossus: hmm... user_readenv seems to be enabled only for sshd and atd |
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| 18:45.53 | TyrfingMjolnir | How do I set IP addresses staticly in debian 9.5.0? |
| 18:46.02 | TyrfingMjolnir | I'm used to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:46.06 | greycat | yes, use that |
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| 18:55.34 | TyrfingMjolnir | Done |
| 18:55.37 | TyrfingMjolnir | Works a charm |
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| 19:03.53 | TyrfingMjolnir | What is wrong here? http://termbin.com/0b60 |
| 19:04.31 | TyrfingMjolnir | cat /etc/network/interfaces.d/enp26s0 | tb http://termbin.com/0b60 |
| 19:05.55 | TyrfingMjolnir | Oh, dhcp |
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| 19:10.19 | TyrfingMjolnir | How can I set 2 IP address for a NIC? Do I make /etc/network/interfaces.d/enp26s0:2? |
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| 19:11.09 | BlAd3 | hi everyone |
| 19:11.25 | BlAd3 | someone can help me |
| 19:11.55 | BlAd3 | i try to install debian 9.5 in dualboot with uefi bios |
| 19:12.59 | jhutchins_wk | TyrfingMjolnir: Usually just in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:13.00 | nyov | TyrfingMjolnir: I think that syntax is deprecated |
| 19:13.03 | BlAd3 | but when open the screen for install in graphic he freez with black screen |
| 19:13.24 | nyov | (for interface name anyway) |
| 19:13.35 | jhutchins_wk | BlAd3: Try text-based install, you should be able to get enough installed to troubleshoot it. |
| 19:13.40 | TyrfingMjolnir | BlAd3: separate physical drives? |
| 19:13.46 | jhutchins_wk | BlAd3: Have you tried a Live iso? |
| 19:14.14 | jhutchins_wk | !kms |
| 19:14.14 | dpkg | Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 19:14.22 | BlAd3 | lenovo legion ssd 512 adata and segate firecuda |
| 19:14.29 | BlAd3 | i try all |
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| 19:16.44 | BlAd3 | i try with backbox and ubuntu and no problem |
| 19:16.47 | nyov | TyrfingMjolnir: I use lines like "up /sbin/ip addr add 192.x/24 broadcast 192.x dev br0" under an iface stanza to add more IPs per interface |
| 19:16.58 | BlAd3 | but i would like return to debian |
| 19:17.00 | nyov | I'm not sure if there is a better way |
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| 19:19.52 | TyrfingMjolnir | This now works |
| 19:20.15 | TyrfingMjolnir | jhutchins_wk: I used to use /etc/network/interfaces, this time around I tried: /etc/network/interfaces.d/* |
| 19:20.29 | TyrfingMjolnir | I'm not able to get iptables running however |
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| 19:23.21 | stkt | is there some small tool that would allow me to pipe text into it and just write it to a file, which would allow me to move the file, maybe send a signal to it and then write to the new file instead? i have some continuous running command, so i can't trap any signals in my script to switch the file on my own. |
| 19:23.27 | SerajewelKS | TyrfingMjolnir: iptables is always "running," what do you mean by that? |
| 19:25.07 | greycat | stkt: you're describing precisely how logging works in daemontools's "multilog" and runit's "svlogd" and probably many other implementations of service manager logging |
| 19:25.21 | jhutchins_wk | TyrfingMjolnir: Do you NEED iptables? |
| 19:25.22 | TyrfingMjolnir | I set up NAT from LAN subnet to WAN NIC |
| 19:25.25 | greycat | you should be able to use one of those as a standalone program |
| 19:25.43 | TyrfingMjolnir | It's the only application this node will run |
| 19:25.52 | TyrfingMjolnir | cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 19:25.53 | TyrfingMjolnir | 1 |
| 19:26.08 | SerajewelKS | TyrfingMjolnir: i use handwritten scripts that generate a config and pipe it to iptables-restore. i wrote a systemd service to execute that on boot, but you can also use a pre-up line to run that in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:26.33 | SerajewelKS | TyrfingMjolnir: you can set ip_forward on boot in /etc/sysctl.d |
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| 19:27.18 | jhutchins_wk | !iptables |
| 19:27.18 | dpkg | [iptables] The user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter. Ask me about <netfilter docs>. For a proper Debian-way of setting up iptables, see http://wiki.debian.org/iptables or ask me about <iptables-restore>. http://netfilter.org/ #netfilter on irc.freenode.net. See also <ferm>, <lartc>, <masq>, <ulogd>. |
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| 19:28.16 | SerajewelKS | iptables-persistent is nice but i have a slightly more complex setup and use shell scripting to ease rule generation |
| 19:28.42 | greycat | systemd seems to be the only service manager that *doesn't* include a multilog analogue program, because it uses a whacky "journal" instead |
| 19:29.02 | TyrfingMjolnir | SerajewelKS: Is that on !gh? |
| 19:29.09 | SerajewelKS | plus there are some complexities when using e.g. fail2ban; if you reload your iptables config then all the fail2ban entries go away, so my "apply the firewall rules" script restarts fail2ban as well |
| 19:29.27 | SerajewelKS | TyrfingMjolnir: github? |
| 19:29.31 | TyrfingMjolnir | Yes |
| 19:29.41 | SerajewelKS | TyrfingMjolnir: no but i can make a gist if you would like to see how i have my system set up |
| 19:29.56 | TyrfingMjolnir | SerajewelKS: Yes please |
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| 19:30.10 | TyrfingMjolnir | Very eager to learn |
| 19:30.15 | SerajewelKS | TyrfingMjolnir: TBH in your case i would go with iptables-persistent |
| 19:30.26 | SerajewelKS | i doubt your rules are as complex as mine ;) |
| 19:30.33 | TyrfingMjolnir | I just like to see different approaches |
| 19:30.35 | stkt | @greycat just a simple problem with that, i tried multilog already, problem is the max size limit is crazy small, approx 16MB ⦠systemd .. PITA |
| 19:30.53 | greycat | you can configure the size for multilog |
| 19:31.02 | stkt | yes, but that is the max it can do |
| 19:32.19 | greycat | OK, if that's actually an issue for you, then try svlogd instead. It has a lot more features. |
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| 19:35.13 | SerajewelKS | TyrfingMjolnir: (still working on sanitizing the rules) part of the complexity is that this node is also an ipv6 router, and i hate duplication. so i have a helper function to build out my v4 rules and v6 rules with the same script. |
| 19:35.20 | SerajewelKS | TyrfingMjolnir: it will make sense when you see it |
| 19:35.42 | SerajewelKS | plus there is a VPN. so this box routes to v4, v6, and VPN. |
| 19:36.04 | SerajewelKS | and i want to allow only some types of traffic in some directions. e.g. VPN-to-internet is disallowed, as is *some* VPN-to-VPN traffic. |
| 19:37.07 | TyrfingMjolnir | Sweet |
| 19:37.07 | stkt | @greycat thanks :) |
| 19:38.49 | SerajewelKS | TyrfingMjolnir: https://gist.github.com/cdhowie/b5b0eb2c7d21f11e5f07ef0c27e4b3c3 |
| 19:39.16 | SerajewelKS | TyrfingMjolnir: these files live in /etc/network/iptables and on this machine i have "up /etc/network/iptables/apply" on my primary bridge interface |
| 19:40.18 | TyrfingMjolnir | Nice |
| 19:40.31 | TyrfingMjolnir | I do this using XSLT exporting from FileMaker |
| 19:40.46 | SerajewelKS | i forget what my ebtables rules are for, i think QOS |
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| 19:41.07 | TyrfingMjolnir | But you are right yours is by far more complex than mine. |
| 19:41.45 | TyrfingMjolnir | SerajewelKS: Thanks for the inspiration |
| 19:42.35 | SerajewelKS | it got messy when i threw ipv6 in. i was using a single file that i piped to iptables-restore. but then i had the need for some rules to be v4-only or v6-only. so i prefixed those lines with @@v4@@ or @@v6@@ and used grep to weed out the "wrong" lines (@@v6@@ when building the v4 firewall) and then another grep to remove the prefixes. |
| 19:42.48 | SerajewelKS | that soon became difficult to manage. so then i wrote this script. |
| 19:45.37 | SerajewelKS | we have a firewall script on most of our servers where i work, written some 10+ years ago. it invokes iptables directly to build up the rules which means that every time it's applied, there's a small window when packets can arrive and bypass the firewall because it's half-built. |
| 19:45.52 | SerajewelKS | i've been slowly replacing it with scripts based very closely on these scripts i'm showing you |
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| 19:47.00 | SerajewelKS | having a script build the rules is nice because you can base rules on the contents of other files for example. which we do in a few places. |
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| 19:53.08 | TyrfingMjolnir | I did not start using IPv6 yet |
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| 19:57.16 | jhutchins_wk | This is pretty good for basic iptables (for forwarding specifically): IPMasq HOWTO: |
| 19:57.20 | jhutchins_wk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:57.55 | jhutchins_wk | More in depth: http://www.trinityos.com/LINUX/index-linux.html |
| 20:03.47 | bipul | RoyK: Hello |
| 20:05.46 | TyrfingMjolnir | I like to rename the NICs: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 20:06.44 | TyrfingMjolnir | Then again this is done differently in debian and ubuntu |
| 20:07.51 | greycat | If you want the traditional "eth0" etc., there are instructions on https://wiki.debian.org/NewInStretch |
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| 20:08.05 | TyrfingMjolnir | I would like LAN and WAN, DEV, and so on |
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| 20:16.03 | majest1c | If I want to write a manual page for my bash script and the usage is "bash mstatus {login|logout|xlock|unxlock} [message]" What do I need to write under the synopsis page? exactly that? |
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| 20:22.53 | jhutchins_wk | majest1c: man man-pages |
| 20:23.01 | jhutchins_wk | majest1c: Yes, that's about what you want. |
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| 20:23.52 | greycat | Huh... never knew there was a man-pages(7) |
| 20:24.17 | jhutchins_wk | There's a template kicking around somewhere too. |
| 20:24.23 | majest1c | jhutchins_wk: Yeah, but would you understand how to use it by that? I mean is it generally understood that "bash mstatus {login|logout|xlock|unxlock} [message]" would use either, login, logout, xlock OR unxlock as argument then an optional messaged followed by that? |
| 20:27.11 | jhutchins_wk | That's the logic I know, except I'm not sure about curly brackets around the mandatory command. |
| 20:27.35 | jhutchins_wk | majest1c: for rfkill it's rfkill [options] command and the commands are listed below. |
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| 20:28.02 | majest1c | ah so it would be better to use maybe "bash mstatus [options] [message]" then list options below |
| 20:28.39 | jhutchins_wk | majest1c: That would indicate that the option was optional, rather than requiring a choice from a list. |
| 20:28.43 | majest1c | or actually it should be "[option]" since my program only takes one |
| 20:28.49 | majest1c | thats true |
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| 20:29.22 | jhutchins_wk | rfkill has "option" italicised. |
| 20:29.52 | jhutchins_wk | er, has "command" italicised. |
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| 20:31.45 | x-fak | hi |
| 20:32.08 | jhutchins_wk | majest1c: Have a look at that man-pages page, it's pretty thorough |
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| 20:34.08 | x-fak | it's a question about debian, but maybe somone here has the knowledge. I got a site which offer a stream (HLS stream) that i'd like to download the video (.ts video), i try multiple tool with no results, can you help me? I tried with ffmpeg, youtube-dl, i got 403 error with ffmpeg |
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| 20:36.29 | jhutchins_wk | x-fak: Did you try curl or wget? |
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| 20:36.49 | SerajewelKS | that won't work with HLS |
| 20:37.10 | x-fak | jhutchins_wk , i dont know how to get the correct with curl or wget, i'm afraid |
| 20:37.29 | SerajewelKS | x-fak: you may need to supply a browser user-agent to use ffmpeg. the server may be blocking the request based on the user-agent. |
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| 20:39.20 | EdePopede | x-fak: you could use "copy address as curl" (or so) from the networktab in firefox devtools |
| 20:39.28 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_wk: HLS streams are a single master playlist that specifies URLs to other playlists, one per quality. then each of THOSE playlists is a list of .ts files that are each about 10 seconds long. |
| 20:39.34 | SerajewelKS | EdePopede: also ^ |
| 20:39.51 | SerajewelKS | using curl/wget to download an HLS stream is entirely impractical |
| 20:39.55 | x-fak | SerajewelKS , it's right, i supply the user-agent using the ffmpeg switch called "-user_agent" |
| 20:40.19 | jhutchins_wk | SerajewelKS: Yeah, reading up on it. ffmpeg is frequently mentioned. |
| 20:40.22 | x-fak | and i supply the cookie using "-headers" |
| 20:41.03 | SerajewelKS | x-fak: there may be a firefox extension you could use that will do the same thing, in the same environment (cookie jar etc) that the site likes |
| 20:42.24 | EdePopede | SerajewelKS: could be tricky if the server expects an ID created from some JS, so the original request for the m3u8 and then vlc/mpv/curl for the .ts segments (unless it is a live stream, then the m3u8 must be rerequested also) |
| 20:42.41 | SerajewelKS | yes. that's why i think an extension might be easier. |
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| 20:43.38 | EdePopede | my experience is (youtube-dl) that once you got the segment addresses, (usually) akamai doesn't care about cookies and nothing |
| 20:43.39 | x-fak | EdePopede , i pretty sure i already tried that (i knew that curl trick) and i didnt work but i'll try again |
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| 20:44.37 | SerajewelKS | EdePopede: it depends if they're using whatever akamai's stream protection option is |
| 20:44.53 | SerajewelKS | it works similarly to S3's signed URLs |
| 20:45.00 | EdePopede | x-fak: if you watch it for some time, how often is it fetched? maybe there is a timeout how long it is available with exactly the parameters used |
| 20:45.05 | x-fak | SerajewelKS , there's a firefox extension, which i sucessfully used to download the videos on the same site i'm trying to retrieve source video , it's called "The Stream Detector" |
| 20:45.16 | gedia | hello all, I'm trying to make a custom debian package where upstream doesn't ship a configure script, so I have to run autoreconf... however, if I do, debuild fails because the process creates new files in the "autotools" subdir of the source which weren't there before with: error: cannot represent change to autotools/install-sh and similar |
| 20:45.31 | gedia | how is it expected to work around this? |
| 20:45.31 | BlAd3 | hi guy some suggestion for install debian using live |
| 20:45.48 | greycat | the usual suggestion is "Don't" |
| 20:46.26 | SerajewelKS | yeah i imagine you could use debootstrap if you know what you're doing but using the installer will be easier |
| 20:46.33 | x-fak | SerajewelKS , but now it doesnt work anymore, it seems, the addon is creating the right command line for mmpeg with everything needed, but i still got a 403 error now |
| 20:46.51 | BlAd3 | with installe freez |
| 20:46.56 | BlAd3 | with installer freez |
| 20:47.09 | SerajewelKS | x-fak: the URLs could stop working after the first use. it's hard to say without seeing the server's program. |
| 20:47.51 | foul_owl | I'm trying to install virtualbox guest additions. guest is debian 9. host is debian 8. guest cannot find linux/version.h but the headers are installed. specifically it's looking for "/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/include/linux/version.h" |
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| 20:48.24 | SerajewelKS | foul_owl: the headers must be installed for every kernel that's installed |
| 20:48.38 | SerajewelKS | what's the output of "dpkg -l linux-image-\* ; dpkg -l linux-headers-\*" |
| 20:48.42 | lkjhgfdsa | i like poop |
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| 20:48.53 | lkjhgfdsa | i like negros |
| 20:48.57 | SerajewelKS | !ops lkjhgfdsa |
| 20:48.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: serajewelks complains about a problem (see above) |
| 20:49.00 | lkjhgfdsa | because they look like poop |
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| 20:49.03 | lkjhgfdsa | and smell like poop |
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| 20:50.59 | EdePopede | x-fak: before i knew about such tools i used the chaching web proxy i used anyway. wwwoffle, but i think it was in squeeze last time. there may be alternatives. |
| 20:51.16 | EdePopede | ,v wwwoffle |
| 20:51.17 | judd | No package named 'wwwoffle' was found in amd64. |
| 20:51.36 | tw | is perl's PatchReader in apt? |
| 20:51.44 | EdePopede | err... never?? |
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| 20:52.02 | foul_owl | Hmmm, it looks like both 4.9.0-7 and 4.9.0-8 are installed |
| 20:52.08 | foul_owl | And the headers are installed for both also |
| 20:52.49 | SerajewelKS | foul_owl: is build-essential installed? |
| 20:52.55 | foul_owl | Yes |
| 20:53.12 | foul_owl | From googling, it seems like everyone says "update to virutalbox 5.2" but that version is not in the repos |
| 20:53.29 | SerajewelKS | are you using guest addons from the repo or from the ISO |
| 20:53.30 | foul_owl | I would assume that this should work with packages found in the debian repos |
| 20:53.46 | foul_owl | I was attempting to install the addtions from the iso |
| 20:53.57 | foul_owl | I didn't realize there were guest additions from the repo to be honest |
| 20:54.00 | x-fak | EdePopede , i tried with firefox console, to get the curl command, i can save the file, but i think it's only a small part of the file, i cannot do anything with that |
| 20:54.02 | foul_owl | Should i prefer that? |
| 20:54.15 | tw | foul_owl: it's in contrib. It has the right dependencies to get you what you need. |
| 20:54.17 | SerajewelKS | not necessarily as the version won't match the host's virtualbox |
| 20:54.28 | SerajewelKS | better would be to track down what package provides that file that's missing |
| 20:54.36 | tw | at least as far as dkms and so forth. |
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| 20:55.08 | BlAd3 | the issue i think some with graphic card |
| 20:55.19 | EdePopede | x-fak: ts segments are usually afaik 3-10 seconds only, so just a few MB. should you get the m3u8 you'd have to load all of them listed there (or let vlc/mpv or so do it) |
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| 20:55.36 | BlAd3 | because if I use debian installer with Speech |
| 20:55.49 | BlAd3 | work bath black screen |
| 20:56.27 | foul_owl | Let me try the guest addtions in the repo |
| 20:56.57 | foul_owl | Hmm I have contrib enabled but I don't see any sort of guest additions package |
| 20:57.23 | tw | foul_owl: sorry, stretch-backports/contrib. |
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| 20:57.25 | greycat | !stretch-vbox-guest |
| 20:57.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, stretch-vbox-guest is Ilyas> oh, I got it working! I followed this guide https://www.linuxbabe.com/debian/install-virtualbox-guest-additions-debian-9-stretch |
| 20:57.28 | tw | ,v virtualbox-guest-dkms |
| 20:57.29 | foul_owl | I also did an apt-file search for include/linux/version.h |
| 20:57.29 | judd | Package: virtualbox-guest-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-7~bpo8+1; stretch-backports/contrib: 5.2.18-dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 5.2.18-dfsg-2; sid/contrib: 5.2.18-dfsg-2 |
| 20:59.08 | foul_owl | Thank you! |
| 20:59.13 | tw | there's some other virtualbox-guest-* packages in backports/contrib you might also want, but just the dkms package will make sure you have all the dependencies you need for actually building dkms things. |
| 20:59.17 | Arahael | If one has a fast SSD, and a (relatively) slow HDD, what are the options if one wants to make the overall system faster - set up the SSD as a cache (how?), or simply allocate the partitions sensibly (eg, put the OS and source code onto the SSD, and /home or /bigdata on the HDD)? |
| 21:00.17 | SerajewelKS | Arahael: my approach generally is to put everything on the SSD (including swap), mount the other disk as /mnt/storage for example, and as i find things that are big but don't suffer much from being on a slower disk i move them to /mnt/storage and leave a symlink pointing there |
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| 21:00.27 | foul_owl | Awesome!! That worked :D |
| 21:00.30 | foul_owl | Thank you again |
| 21:00.36 | SerajewelKS | you definitely don't want to put swap on the magnetic drive |
| 21:00.52 | tw | Arahael: Sensible partitioning is probably the best choice. You can look at things like lvmcache if you want to try the other thing. |
| 21:00.53 | Arahael | SerajewelKS: Yes, swap - if any - should definitely be on the SSD. :) |
| 21:01.20 | Arahael | tw: Yeah, I was wondering what the tradeoffs were, I suspect "sensible partitioning" is the most efficient approach. |
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| 21:01.36 | Arahael | tw: Harder to combine that with LVM, though. |
| 21:02.10 | x-fak | SerajewelKS , if i provide you the site URL and my credential to access it , can you try to find the solution to get videos? |
| 21:02.42 | tw | Arahael: It's about as hard as any manual disk partitioning *shrug* |
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| 21:03.23 | Arahael | tw: I mean, you can't just plop all the devices into the one LV and use that for partitioning, as LVM apparently doesn't consider diffeerent speeds. |
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| 21:04.25 | tw | Arahael: you can totally plop 'em all in one VG and then create a lvmcache volume bound on the fast pv and the data volume sitting on the slow pv. |
| 21:04.49 | tw | afaik, that's the only way to configure lvmcache. |
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| 21:05.38 | Arahael | tw: Interesting. What's the performance like compaired to the simple method of simply putting everything on the SSD, except for /bigdata? |
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| 21:06.08 | tw | Arahael: generally worse, unless you're modifying your big files. Big files that you use once can evict little files you use often. |
| 21:06.28 | Arahael | tw: Ah, good point. |
| 21:06.49 | Arahael | I think I'll keep them separate, then. |
| 21:07.19 | Arahael | Probably use LVM, but keep them separate, for that reason, then. Thanks for that. :) |
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| 21:10.15 | ScottE | Arahael: ZFS L2ARC can do exactly this - use an SSD as an L2 cache for a spinning drive (or mirror/array of drives). ZFS on a root filesystem isn't trivial, though - I run all my systems with ZFS for everything, but it requires a debootstrap install that most people won't do. |
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| 21:11.04 | SerajewelKS | x-fak: i don't really have the time at the moment, sorry |
| 21:11.04 | Arahael | ScottE: Yeah, and I'm not keen on using ZFS. |
| 21:11.16 | Arahael | ScottE: Pity that I don't think btrfs supports that, though. |
| 21:11.18 | x-fak | SerajewelKS , ok |
| 21:11.21 | bites | solves the same problem as the lvm cache and comes with a performance penalty just as well. |
| 21:11.40 | SerajewelKS | Arahael: LVM does support pinning, so you can pin each volume to its own PV |
| 21:11.51 | SerajewelKS | when creating an LV you can specify which PVs it's allowed to use |
| 21:11.58 | Arahael | SerajewelKS: That's interesting! |
| 21:12.11 | Arahael | SerajewelKS: Can you move the PV the LV lives on, too |
| 21:12.14 | Arahael | ? |
| 21:12.18 | greycat | That seems over-complicated, when you can just make 2 VGs. |
| 21:12.33 | SerajewelKS | Arahael: VGs have an "allocation policy" which you can use to control this by default |
| 21:12.38 | SerajewelKS | or you can use two VGs, yes |
| 21:12.55 | SerajewelKS | Arahael: i'm not sure what you mean by "move the PV" as that could mean one of many different things |
| 21:13.16 | Arahael | SerajewelKS: Say, I want to move the data that's on one PV to a different drive. |
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| 21:14.15 | SerajewelKS | Arahael: create new LVM PV on the different drive, add it to the VG with the volume you want to move, "pvmove" with the appropriate settings, "vgreduce" to remove the old PV |
| 21:14.23 | SerajewelKS | this can be done while the volume is mounted and in use |
| 21:14.42 | SerajewelKS | (or you can leave the old PV added if you plan to use it in the same VG for something else) |
| 21:14.47 | Arahael | SerajewelKS: Interesting. Well, that's an option. |
| 21:16.24 | SerajewelKS | i use LVM on every new debian system i set up for exactly this reason. the storage "reshaping" (to borrow a RAID term) you can perform while the system is up and available is crazy. |
| 21:16.44 | SerajewelKS | as long as you don't have to shrink a volume, odds are you can do it online |
| 21:17.33 | SerajewelKS | the only thing i don't really trust LVM with yet is RAID. i would rather use dmraid and then make the RAID logical volume an LVM PV. |
| 21:17.52 | Arahael | I've yet to trust RAID at all. |
| 21:18.17 | Arahael | I do indeed like LVM for just that, though - to be able to reshape everything, (to borrow a SerajewelKS term. ;) ) |
| 21:18.31 | SerajewelKS | don't trust RAID levels 0, 4, 5, or 6 |
| 21:18.38 | SerajewelKS | levels 1 and 10 are great |
| 21:19.50 | Arahael | I really don't have much need for RAID. |
| 21:19.55 | SerajewelKS | RAID0 is really only good if (a) you're using it as part of an unorthodox config where you can't use RAID10 but will still be mirroring, or (b) you need a large temporary workspace to assemble some data and it's not a big deal if the array dies because you can just regenerate all of the data. |
| 21:20.13 | SerajewelKS | (e.g. RAID0 would be fine to use as an on-disk cache, as long as the program using it can tolerate it suddenly disappearing) |
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| 21:20.22 | Arahael | Although, if I had two M.2 SSD's... |
| 21:21.04 | SerajewelKS | RAID0 is terrible by itself for data you care about because you lose all your data if either disk fails. you basically double your chances of something going wrong. |
| 21:21.09 | SerajewelKS | i use RAID1 on my home NAS |
| 21:21.19 | Arahael | Meh, I'd back it up anyway. |
| 21:21.34 | SerajewelKS | well yes, RAID is not a backup solution |
| 21:21.52 | annadane | i've only ever heard that raid is bad for backups; what is GOOD for backups? |
| 21:21.52 | SerajewelKS | RAID is about uptime, not preventing data loss |
| 21:21.59 | annadane | i guess any generic storage volume |
| 21:21.59 | Arahael | My systems are all personal, really. Between work and home, nobody else depends on it. |
| 21:22.06 | SerajewelKS | annadane: periodic offsite backups |
| 21:22.08 | Arahael | annadane: I tend to backup to the cloud, now. |
| 21:22.09 | annadane | not sure which brands are more trustworthy |
| 21:22.16 | Arahael | annadane: I use Amazon S3. |
| 21:22.24 | Arahael | Glacier, storage, if I can help it. |
| 21:22.44 | annadane | anyway it's off topic |
| 21:22.54 | SerajewelKS | i have some custom scripts that GPG-encrypt with a pubkey then upload to glacier. the privkey is split with ssss in multiple physical locations. |
| 21:23.34 | Arahael | SerajewelKS: Why GPG? |
| 21:23.46 | Arahael | SerajewelKS: You're better off using AES encryption. |
| 21:23.54 | SerajewelKS | Arahael: because i can keep the pubkey online and the privkey offline |
| 21:24.15 | Arahael | SerajewelKS: Upload a GPG encrypted key. |
| 21:24.29 | SerajewelKS | that's basically what happens anyway |
| 21:24.30 | tw | gpg is asymmetric and supports data authentication, which AES doesn't really. |
| 21:24.44 | Arahael | tw: Yes, but compared to AES, gpg is slow. |
| 21:25.00 | SerajewelKS | i don't need it to be fast |
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| 21:25.36 | Arahael | SerajewelKS: Sure, but AES is often hardware. |
| 21:26.00 | SerajewelKS | most of the stuff on my NAS isn't backed up anyway, because it's a copy already. the NAS runs a plex server, which hosts all of our DVDs that i've ripped. so if the RAID1 fails then i haven't lost anything except the work that went into ripping them. |
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| 21:26.14 | kevr | is there a way to get the package version as an env var in postinst? |
| 21:26.15 | SerajewelKS | just have to get the box of DVDs out and run through them again |
| 21:26.29 | SerajewelKS | Arahael: i mean GPG can use AES anyway so that's not really an issue |
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| 21:26.59 | Arahael | SerajewelKS: I must be mistakent hen. |
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| 21:27.11 | SerajewelKS | IIRC the way GPG does encryption, it creates a random symmetric key and encrypts that with the pubkey, then encrypts the message with the symmetric key |
| 21:27.27 | SerajewelKS | so you get the benefits of asymmetric encryption without the performance drawback |
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| 21:28.21 | tw | SerajewelKS: it's not efficient at the symmetric part, esp (as I understand) with the way it hmacs and signs at the end. |
| 21:28.38 | tw | it can easily take 20 minutes to gpg encrypt 1GB of data. |
| 21:28.40 | SerajewelKS | since the message key is random and different for each message this also prevents any kind of cleartext attacks against the GPG privkey |
| 21:28.55 | tw | But if speed is not an issue, it doesn't matter how long it takes. |
| 21:29.07 | SerajewelKS | tw: hmm. well yeah. i let my backups run overnight anyway. |
| 21:29.11 | Arahael | Right. It just seems a shame not to use hardware encryption. |
| 21:30.09 | SerajewelKS | the big issue with using something like raw AES is that i have to keep the key online |
| 21:30.17 | SerajewelKS | since it's symmetric. i don't really want the privkey online. |
| 21:30.37 | SerajewelKS | using a pubkey allows the backup scripts not to have to unlock any keys as well, so they can be unattended |
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| 21:31.09 | SerajewelKS | and i'm doing incremental backups so i only have to encrypt what changed since the last backup |
| 21:31.12 | tw | Out of curiosity, what's the point of shamir's key splitting? Are you using hw tokens as one of the secrets? |
| 21:31.59 | SerajewelKS | tw: it's for catastrophic things, like my house burns down. i have the split shares stashed in locations other than my house, so i can reassemble the key in a worst case scenario, and even survive the loss of some number of physical pieces of the key. |
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| 21:33.06 | SerajewelKS | plus if one share is compromised, an attacker doesn't gain any information |
| 21:33.49 | tw | They gain 1 of K required keys to recover your original. |
| 21:34.21 | SerajewelKS | as long as i find out that the share has been compromised i can destroy the other shares and re-split the key |
| 21:34.24 | tw | which I presume is fewer than the N keys you made, so it can handle losing subkeys. |
| 21:34.32 | Arahael | SerajewelKS: You can either download the key, decrypt it, and use it. Or just create a new key every time and encrypt it using GPG. |
| 21:34.39 | BlAd3 | guy someone can help me? |
| 21:34.46 | Arahael | SerajewelKS: And frankly, creating a new key is probably better. |
| 21:35.12 | SerajewelKS | Arahael: downloading and decrypting the key means that i have to keep the key effectively online. creating a new key every time means i can't back up the key. |
| 21:35.38 | SerajewelKS | encrypted backups have a weak point: you lose the key, you lose your backups |
| 21:35.45 | Arahael | SerajewelKS: Sure you can, keep a local copy - and put the key with the backups. |
| 21:36.04 | SerajewelKS | the backups are on glacier. i don't want amazon to have the key at all. |
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| 21:36.15 | Arahael | SerajewelKS: So... Encrypt the key! |
| 21:36.22 | tw | with gpg <.< |
| 21:36.22 | SerajewelKS | with what other key? |
| 21:36.22 | sZbcE8qNfG | anyone use nextcloud? |
| 21:36.35 | SerajewelKS | Arahael: what you're describing is exactly what gpg already does with the message key |
| 21:36.36 | Arahael | Indeed, with gpg. |
| 21:36.42 | BlAd3 | i need to install kali in may lenovo legion y720 graphic card nvidia and intel |
| 21:36.48 | sZbcE8qNfG | im trying to assess how nextcloud is when using usb3 external drives |
| 21:36.48 | SerajewelKS | Arahael: what you're saying is "don't use gpg, do the thing gpg already does without gpg" which makes zero sense to me. |
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| 21:37.11 | Arahael | SerajewelKS: Interesting. |
| 21:37.11 | BlAd3 | but when i try to install in graphic black screen |
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| 21:37.49 | SerajewelKS | Arahael: to reiterate what i said before, GPG message are encrypted with a symmetric algorithm. the key is randomly generated and then encrypted with the GPG pubkey being used. |
| 21:37.57 | BlAd3 | same if i try to install with speech |
| 21:38.32 | BlAd3 | it give the comand ma not in the screen some suggestion ? |
| 21:38.37 | SerajewelKS | IIRC this is primarily to prevent cleartext attacks against the GPG privkey. using an intermediate key prevents that. |
| 21:38.52 | tw | SerajewelKS: imo, keep multiple copies of your decryption key on gpg cards and call it good. Key splitting is cool, but is it that much better than a smartcard with a limited number of pin tries? |
| 21:39.02 | SerajewelKS | !kali |
| 21:39.03 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 21:39.03 | Arahael | SerajewelKS: Right, as I said, I must be mistaken. My whole point, however, is to ensure that you're taking advantage of hardware. |
| 21:39.04 | SerajewelKS | BlAd3: ^ |
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| 21:39.38 | SerajewelKS | Arahael: while that would be nice, my backups happen overnight and are done when i wake up so making them faster is not really useful at the moment |
| 21:39.55 | SerajewelKS | it would save some electricity but that's about it |
| 21:39.58 | Arahael | Sure. |
| 21:40.41 | Arahael | Man, you can get 6 TB 3.5" drives now. |
| 21:40.45 | Arahael | has been living under a rock. |
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| 21:40.53 | SerajewelKS | 3.5" or 2.5" |
| 21:40.54 | tw | just 6? you can get 12. |
| 21:40.56 | BlAd3 | SerajewelKS, same Kali and Debian |
| 21:41.07 | SerajewelKS | BlAd3: kali is not debian. #kali-linux |
| 21:41.19 | BlAd3 | I know |
| 21:41.39 | BlAd3 | before i installed debian |
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| 21:41.59 | BlAd3 | in the saame pc debian |
| 21:42.04 | Arahael | tw: Hmm, indeed. You can get 12. |
| 21:42.12 | SerajewelKS | BlAd3: are you having trouble with debian or kali at the moment? |
| 21:42.20 | BlAd3 | Debian 9.5 |
| 21:42.25 | SerajewelKS | and what is the problem |
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| 21:42.45 | BlAd3 | i create usb with rufus |
| 21:43.14 | BlAd3 | after i boot he open the screen for install debian |
| 21:43.30 | Arahael | tw: Trouble is, I keep blowing my budget. ;) |
| 21:43.38 | BlAd3 | when i send for install black screen |
| 21:43.44 | SerajewelKS | what is rufus |
| 21:43.53 | jadax | hey, I have internet-less debian 9.2 box that I want to enable Asus USB AC56 adapter on(ID 0b05:17d2). Do you think I can download required packages on another machine and transfer them over USB thumbdrive? |
| 21:44.08 | BlAd3 | usb bootable uefi |
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| 21:44.27 | Arahael | jadax: Definitely. |
| 21:44.43 | BlAd3 | if i start in live no issue |
| 21:44.54 | jadax | Arahael what do I need to enable it? linux-firmware package? |
| 21:45.11 | annadane | BlAd3, your issue is using rufus. use win32diskimager. |
| 21:45.15 | Arahael | jadax: You don't need anything special to enable it. |
| 21:45.37 | annadane | !rufus |
| 21:45.37 | dpkg | rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 21:45.49 | jadax | should it be supported right away? |
| 21:45.57 | BlAd3 | ok i go to try immediatly thanks annadane |
| 21:46.14 | Arahael | jadax: I misunderstood. (I'm slightly drunk). I thought you were asking about downloading packages on antoher machine and transferring them over USB. |
| 21:46.44 | Arahael | jadax: And you certainly can do that - that's called "sneakernet". |
| 21:46.57 | jadax | Arahael my follow-up question is what exactly do i need to download on another box |
| 21:47.09 | SerajewelKS | jadax: you may not need anything. have you tried it yet? |
| 21:47.14 | jadax | yes |
| 21:47.34 | jadax | I have no wireless adapters in "system" giu |
| 21:47.47 | jadax | lsusb shows adapter connected |
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| 21:48.03 | SerajewelKS | it doesn't look like the kernel includes a driver for this |
| 21:48.04 | jadax | and dmesg registers its existence too |
| 21:48.09 | queip | is it possible to have polish language for spell checking in libreoffice? |
| 21:48.26 | queip | is this some blackmagic? tried multiple times and nothing works. it worked for SOME langauges, but not for others |
| 21:48.38 | SerajewelKS | wait maybe it does |
| 21:48.47 | Kocane | hello |
| 21:48.48 | jadax | dmesg says REALTEK, SN=123456 |
| 21:48.57 | Kocane | anyone got an idea why programs on me debian server uses universal time instead of local |
| 21:49.08 | jadax | and that it uses xhci_hcd driver |
| 21:49.10 | SerajewelKS | jadax: you can try https://packages.debian.org/stretch/firmware-realtek |
| 21:49.29 | SerajewelKS | jadax: sneakernet this file over and dpkg -i it: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-realtek_20161130-3_all.deb |
| 21:49.44 | annadane | !tzdata |
| 21:49.44 | dpkg | A time zone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata". Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. Postfix users: execute "service postfix restart" to update localtime in the chroot. |
| 21:49.46 | SerajewelKS | you may need to unplug/replug the device after |
| 21:49.51 | annadane | Kocane, ^ |
| 21:49.59 | jadax | ok, let me try |
| 21:50.06 | bites | ,i hunspell-pl |
| 21:50.07 | judd | Package hunspell-pl (text, optional) in stretch/amd64: Polish dictionary for hunspell. Version: 1:5.2.5-1; Size: 1113.6k; Installed: 5022k; Homepage: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Language_support_of_LibreOffice |
| 21:50.12 | bites | queip: ^ |
| 21:50.14 | Kocane | wha |
| 21:50.31 | annadane | i just mean, you can set the time that way |
| 21:50.35 | queip | bites: installed myspell-pl and aspell-pl. hunspell is needed hmm let me try |
| 21:50.44 | Kocane | hm, well the time is correct, both according to date and hwclock |
| 21:50.49 | Kocane | and i installed ntp etc |
| 21:51.02 | bites | queip: afaik that's what libreoffice uses. |
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| 21:52.31 | queip | bites: installing hunspell-pl did NOT help |
| 21:52.58 | queip | I have god damned Norwegian, German, Spanish |
| 21:53.05 | queip | but can't get Polish or English spellchecking |
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| 21:53.32 | SerajewelKS | note after installing new languages you may have to close and reopen the program using them |
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| 21:54.00 | queip | SerajewelKS: sure. didn't helped |
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| 21:55.08 | queip | 2018 and can't even edit spellcheck in most languages. eh linux for office |
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| 21:55.34 | SerajewelKS | queip: slow down. perhaps whatever you're using uses a different spell checking library. |
| 21:55.50 | queip | SerajewelKS: libre office from debian 9 |
| 21:55.57 | bites | queip: what are you doing exactly? it works for me. |
| 21:56.17 | SerajewelKS | queip: are you using the libreoffice quickstarter? |
| 21:56.38 | queip | SerajewelKS: don't think so |
| 21:56.50 | SerajewelKS | i mean you could try rebooting as well, to make sure |
| 21:57.01 | queip | oh wait, damn /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/oosplash sneaked there |
| 21:57.03 | SerajewelKS | libreoffice likes to keep running in the background to provide faster startup time |
| 21:57.11 | BlAd3 | annadane, same freez in black screen |
| 21:57.12 | SerajewelKS | yeah that guy |
| 21:57.18 | SerajewelKS | kill him and reopen libreoffice |
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| 21:58.18 | queip | SerajewelKS: still doesn't work. hunspell-pl installed |
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| 21:59.48 | queip | doesn't work = run libreoffice, new Writer document - set some text font properties: the language field has "Polish" but not with the "spellcheck" icon |
| 22:00.14 | SerajewelKS | queip: hmm. can't reproduce. i just installed it and opened writer, polish has the spellcheck icon for me. |
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| 22:00.26 | queip | SerajewelKS: which *spell* you have for pl ? |
| 22:00.32 | SerajewelKS | queip: there may still be a libreoffice process open. you could try logging out and back in, or rebooting. |
| 22:00.35 | SerajewelKS | hunspell-pl |
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| 22:02.13 | annadane | BlAd3, oh are you trying to install kali? |
| 22:02.23 | annadane | i'd ask the kali support in that case |
| 22:02.28 | BlAd3 | debian 9.5 |
| 22:02.40 | annadane | ah, all right |
| 22:02.52 | queip | SerajewelKS: what is status of -pl myspell and aspell?" |
| 22:02.53 | annadane | maybe you have the wrong architecture? what image are you using? |
| 22:03.03 | queip | SerajewelKS: installed or not, in your case |
| 22:03.18 | SerajewelKS | not installed |
| 22:03.25 | annadane | anyone else can answer BlAd3 too, i just don't want to see their question buried |
| 22:03.27 | BlAd3 | 9.5 live amd64 |
| 22:03.44 | annadane | for *installing* debian you should either use the net install or the cd/dvd images |
| 22:03.50 | BlAd3 | 9.5 amd64 netinst |
| 22:04.15 | BlAd3 | 9.5 amd64 dvd 1 iso |
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| 22:05.56 | queip | SerajewelKS: ok seems it is a bug |
| 22:06.04 | queip | removing libreoffice .config files, helped |
| 22:06.14 | SerajewelKS | ah. strange. |
| 22:06.30 | annadane | BlAd3, where do you get the black screen? |
| 22:06.33 | queip | ohhhh yeaaah now I can edit the text |
| 22:06.38 | annadane | on boot, once you've put in the usb? |
| 22:06.41 | queip | edit like it's 1990 and Word Perfect |
| 22:06.46 | queip | open source yea |
| 22:07.16 | SerajewelKS | wordstar |
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| 22:11.27 | queip | ok it's probably time to uninstall Uzbekistant's Latin test spellchecker |
| 22:12.03 | mpo_ | I have a quick question. Please have a look at this 'ps aux' output: http://paste.debian.net/1043523/ Why is mysqld run by sshd and quassel+ own memcached? |
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| 22:12.14 | mpo_ | Any ideas welcome |
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| 22:13.01 | jadax | SerajewelKS that package didn't enable wifi, maybe I'm missing kernel driver too? |
| 22:13.46 | jadax | e.g 8812au |
| 22:13.53 | SerajewelKS | jadax: try "modprobe 8812au" |
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| 22:13.59 | SerajewelKS | if it doesn't fail then you have the kernel module |
| 22:14.21 | jadax | not found |
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| 22:15.22 | jadax | i have no -name "*8812*" under /lib/modules/4.9.0-4-amd64/ |
| 22:15.52 | Kocane | as |
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| 22:17.01 | sZbcE8qNfG | is anyone here using nextcloud |
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| 22:17.53 | jadax | I found this website: https://wikidevi.com/wiki/ASUS_USB-AC56 with the driver |
| 22:18.05 | jadax | should I try to compile on target? |
| 22:20.06 | jadax | there is also github driver: https://github.com/abperiasamy/rtl8812AU_8821AU_linux |
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| 22:34.14 | jadax | doesn't seem there is any support for my card in 4.9+ kernel |
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| 22:39.03 | monkey-b | jadax: have you enabled non-free or contrib in the repos? then apt list *firmware* should show you the realtek one. I know i have made it would simply like that. |
| 22:39.54 | monkey-b | jadax: but i'm running buster, not stretch so maybe it's that |
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| 22:51.42 | borsin | which service (systemctl restart) would I need to restart to make changes to /etc/hosts apply without a full reboot? |
| 22:56.42 | TvL2386 | you don't have to restart any services |
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| 22:56.45 | borsin | would systemd-networkd, do it? |
| 22:56.45 | TvL2386 | for example: just add something in /etc/hosts, start google chrome and browse to whatever you put in /etc/hosts |
| 22:56.45 | TvL2386 | you'll see it works |
| 22:56.48 | borsin | TvL2386: I'm unfortunately not seeing that. If I go to google.com after adding a block in /etc/hosts -- google.com still resolves after killing and restarting firefox. |
| 22:56.48 | borsin | all browser settings, cache, cookies have also been cleared. |
| 22:56.49 | TvL2386 | borsin: that is weird, because I just added "127.0.0.1 facebook.com" >> /etc/hosts |
| 22:56.49 | TvL2386 | fired up firefox |
| 22:56.49 | TvL2386 | and going to http://facebook.com resulted in a "cannot connect" |
| 22:56.50 | TvL2386 | PING facebook.com (127.0.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 22:56.50 | TvL2386 | I must admit I'm using ubuntu-18.04, so maybe it works differently on debian |
| 22:56.51 | TvL2386 | sorry for the confusion if that's the case |
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| 22:56.51 | hypn0 | doesn't that block facebook :-/ |
| 22:56.53 | TvL2386 | hypn0: first of all it's a test, second: is that a bad thing? |
| 22:56.53 | borsin | hypn0: that's one of the intents. google.com was my example, whom also needs to be blocked. :) |
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| 22:57.36 | borsin | for giggles, I had it set to '0.0.0.0 google.com' without quotes and I changed it to '127.0.0.1 google.com'. That small change doesn't help. |
| 22:58.23 | FinalX | after modifying /etc/hosts, you need to restart any browser you have open to apply it as they have an internal cache |
| 22:58.39 | borsin | FinalX: Did that, see above. |
| 22:58.42 | TvL2386 | hey said he killed firefox |
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| 22:59.06 | borsin | And cleared all possible caches, cookies, crumbs. ;p |
| 22:59.08 | FinalX | define resolves. |
| 22:59.19 | TvL2386 | just for more giggle borsin, while firefox is still showing you google, what does a `ping google.com` tell you? And a `dig google.com` |
| 22:59.51 | borsin | FinalX: Resolve meaning I've tested the website intended to be _blocked_ on muliple browsers. |
| 23:00.12 | borsin | TvL2386: 64 bytes from localhost (127.0.0.1): icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.036 ms |
| 23:00.22 | borsin | TvL2386: Or in other words a success. |
| 23:00.27 | TvL2386 | yep |
| 23:00.34 | TvL2386 | but different from the browser |
| 23:00.41 | borsin | True. |
| 23:01.04 | TvL2386 | so: either firefox cache survives a restart or the 2 programs have different methods of resolving |
| 23:01.20 | TvL2386 | and in the latter case, with different results obviously |
| 23:01.37 | borsin | I've yet to restart. I'm sure that would solve this minor problem. It's the reboot I'm trying to avoid. This isn't windoze. |
| 23:01.41 | FinalX | I know that Firefox is doing its own resolving in the latest version, though it still should be using the libc resolve functions without enabling those... never had that problem otherwise. A restart has always been enough. |
| 23:02.01 | FinalX | You don't need to reboot for a /etc/hosts change, ever. |
| 23:02.17 | TvL2386 | ^--- true that |
| 23:03.01 | FinalX | And as I understand, using ping facebook.com, you already get the wanted result.. which means glibc picked up on it just fine? browser issue, then. |
| 23:03.22 | FinalX | are the browsers really running on the host OS, and not secretly in containers, like snap? |
| 23:04.19 | TvL2386 | another thing I would check, is `tcpdump -i any port 53` while starting firefox and then eventually going to google.com |
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| 23:04.47 | TvL2386 | you can always inspect which queries are fired, where and what the response was |
| 23:04.51 | borsin | Just restarted systemd-networkd and systemd-resolved, neither of which did anything apparantly useful. |
| 23:05.02 | FinalX | getent ahosts facebook.com; getent ahostsv6 facebook.com |
| 23:05.14 | FinalX | no, they are not related to /etc/hosts |
| 23:05.50 | FinalX | what you see in /etc/hosts is coming straight through glibc's resolvehost calls t hat are called by all applications trying to resolve a host |
| 23:05.57 | borsin | 127.0.0.1 RAW |
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| 23:06.03 | borsin | oops. |
| 23:06.06 | FinalX | that first goes through /etc/hosts and then if that fails on to the system resolver, whatever that might be |
| 23:06.17 | FinalX | getent uses that function call |
| 23:06.56 | borsin | FinalX: http://termbin.com/218v output of getent. |
| 23:07.11 | TvL2386 | FinalX: yeah that's what I thought as well, so that only leaves option #1 then: firefox cache survives a restart/kill on borsins box, but not a reboot.... that's weird |
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| 23:07.34 | FinalX | On Ubuntu, which, if I didn't misread, you say you were using, Firefox is running inside a snap, which is in its own kernel space.. so a seperate glibc (and no /etc/hosts) as well. |
| 23:07.38 | FinalX | hence my earlier question |
| 23:07.44 | FinalX | (starting with xenial/16.04) |
| 23:08.01 | TvL2386 | FinalX: I'm using ubuntu, borsin is not... borsin is having problems, I don't |
| 23:08.07 | borsin | TvL2386: I haven't confirmed on this box that a reboot wouldn't fix it but a very similar box had the same symptons and was fixed with a reboot. |
| 23:08.08 | FinalX | ah |
| 23:08.12 | FinalX | then I misread |
| 23:08.15 | TvL2386 | np :) |
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| 23:09.17 | FinalX | there's no reason a reboot would do anything that a kill and start of Firefox wouldn't achieve either |
| 23:09.23 | FinalX | given that Firefox really did get killed |
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| 23:09.51 | FinalX | not sure where its cache resides, but try a private browsing window and/or wipe the cache |
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| 23:10.07 | FinalX | I doubt it's going to achieve much, I suspect it's something else at play. proxy, perhaps? |
| 23:10.17 | borsin | Firefox is definitely dead. Or was dead prior to re-opening for a test. |
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| 23:12.20 | FinalX | also, try see if /etc/host.conf exists and if it has "multi on" and "order hosts,bind".. but pretty sure it does, otherwise ping wouldn't have picked up on it |
| 23:12.58 | FinalX | (if that file even still exists in stretch.. not sure..) |
| 23:13.11 | borsin | FinalX: I have 'multi on' only. |
| 23:15.01 | FinalX | the only thing I can come up with that'd make sense is if there was a www or socks proxy enabled for the browsers |
| 23:15.22 | FinalX | s/www/http/ |
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| 23:16.06 | FinalX | ..which can even be a system-wide setting through http_proxy environment variable |
| 23:16.08 | borsin | FinalX: hmm, yeah that's not the case. I did add 'order hosts,bind'. That didn't change anything. |
| 23:16.41 | FinalX | then I fear I'm all out of ideas, sorry |
| 23:16.57 | borsin | FinalX: As in 'echo $HTTP_PROXY'? |
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| 23:17.16 | borsin | If so, that's blank or doesn' |
| 23:17.19 | borsin | exist. |
| 23:17.22 | FinalX | yes, might be lowercase even |
| 23:17.24 | FinalX | ok |
| 23:17.39 | borsin | Upper and lower are non-existent. |
| 23:17.53 | borsin | Ugh! |
| 23:18.00 | FinalX | curl -vk https://facebook.com/ should also fail |
| 23:18.36 | borsin | That did fail, yes. |
| 23:22.36 | borsin | FinalX: Maybe this narrows it down. 'curl -vk www.facebook.com' fails as _root_, whereas as a user it is a success. So maybe there is something in the environment but it isn't a http_proxy. |
| 23:24.00 | FinalX | curious.. does the ping fail as the user as well? |
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| 23:24.45 | borsin | ping is a success. |
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| 23:24.55 | dka | I have a i7 8700k "Coffee Lake", I want to install Debian with cinnamon. I have Hardware acceleration issues and it is not usuable. I believe maybe xserver should be update. Do you know how I can get the latest version ? |
| 23:24.57 | avis | hey :) |
| 23:25.08 | FinalX | then.. beats me :) and I should be heading to bed, so.. I'm sorry and good luck :) |
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| 23:27.54 | dka | How can I found the latest version in date of https://packages.debian.org/sid/x11/xserver-xorg-video-intel ? |
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| 23:31.50 | annadane | dka, don't install from sid |
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| 23:32.11 | annadane | you can possibly backport it, i'm not sure |
| 23:32.17 | annadane | ,v xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 23:32.18 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; jessie: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; jessie-backports: 2:2.99.917+git20161206-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2:2.99.917+git20161206-1; buster: 2:2.99.917+git20171229-1+b1; sid: 2:2.99.917+git20171229-1+b1 |
| 23:32.37 | dka | How can I install Intel Coffee Lake GPU driver in Debian Stretch? |
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| 23:37.12 | mentor | dka: The largest version number is the latest version |
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| 23:38.23 | dka | https://paste.gnome.org/phuojlnj5 |
| 23:38.33 | dka | I have Coffee lake, I want to have GPU driver acceleration |
| 23:38.38 | dka | I am stuck, new computer, new debian install |
| 23:38.42 | dka | any idea what I should Upgrade? |
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| 23:40.57 | mentor | dka: What are you doing to check hardware acceleration is present? |
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| 23:42.28 | borsin | Created a brand new user and still the problem persists. It's as if regular users aren't checking the /etc/hosts file. |
| 23:43.02 | dka | mentor |
| 23:43.05 | dka | I start cinnamon |
| 23:43.10 | dka | and Cinnamon is showing a tooltip with this warning |
| 23:43.21 | dka | this warning happen when cinnamon driver graphic acceleration fail |
| 23:43.36 | dka | I presume cinnamon is right, because I can see the acceleration is not present |
| 23:45.07 | annadane | oh it's possible firmware is required |
| 23:45.21 | borsin | aha!! /etc/hosts was set to 600. Not sure how that would have happened. |
| 23:45.31 | annadane | i'm not sure about this particular subject but you can check for potential needed firmware with dmesg | grep -i firmware |
| 23:45.50 | annadane | hmm... not sure, though |
| 23:46.39 | mentor | dka: "Cinnamon is currently running without video hardware acceleration and, as a result, you may observe much higher than normal CPU usage. |
| 23:46.39 | mentor | There could be a problem with your drivers or some other issue. For the best experience, it is recommended that you only use this mode for troubleshooting purposes."? |
| 23:47.56 | dka | mentor, yes |
| 23:47.59 | dka | I have anormal CPU usage |
| 23:48.07 | dka | I am using the latest Intel CPU |
| 23:48.09 | mentor | dka: Are you running this is a VM? |
| 23:48.12 | dka | called Coffelake |
| 23:48.18 | dka | No it's my new Dekstop |
| 23:48.28 | dka | I want to use Debian |
| 23:48.40 | dka | I can't because linux doesn't support new CPU with CoffeeLake |
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| 23:50.22 | mentor | dka: What graphics hardware do you have? |
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| 23:51.20 | dka | https://paste.gnome.org/pksn4g4xf |
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