| 00:00.01 | Blondie101010 | art7734: no need to erase everything |
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| 00:00.31 | Blondie101010 | art7734: lsmod|grep 871 |
| 00:00.53 | art7734 | Ip A s wlan0 |
| 00:00.56 | nyov | doesnt it work yet? what did I miss |
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| 00:01.03 | art7734 | Device doesnt exsist |
| 00:01.03 | nyov | actually; ip a s wlx18d6c719289b |
| 00:01.10 | art7734 | Kk |
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| 00:01.55 | Blondie101010 | no dmesg says it was renamed to wlan0 |
| 00:02.02 | nyov | the opposite |
| 00:02.12 | Blondie101010 | oh right |
| 00:02.14 | art7734 | Iwconfig |
| 00:02.15 | nyov | those weird systemd hardware-based names |
| 00:02.26 | art7734 | SiÄ only eno1 and lo |
| 00:02.29 | art7734 | ... |
| 00:02.36 | art7734 | Iwconfig |
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| 00:02.45 | art7734 | See only * |
| 00:02.53 | abrotman | less Enter please |
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| 00:03.47 | art7734 | Sorry i using phone and dictionary continuously make polish words |
| 00:04.12 | Blondie101010 | sudo iwconfig wlx18d6c719289b mode Monitor |
| 00:04.53 | jezebel | what's a horrible device name lol |
| 00:04.56 | jezebel | that's^ |
| 00:05.16 | Blondie101010 | we all agree |
| 00:05.19 | nyov | hey, but it's unique ;) |
| 00:05.53 | art7734 | Heh set failed device wlx... operation non permited |
| 00:06.17 | art7734 | I used sudo ð |
| 00:07.09 | nyov | monitor? maybe you to configure it first. did `ip` not show any output? |
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| 00:07.27 | jezebel | ip link |
| 00:07.36 | jezebel | is it up? :) |
| 00:08.20 | Blondie101010 | ip link down to be sure |
| 00:08.31 | art7734 | sudo ip a s wlx18d6c719289b |
| 00:08.31 | art7734 | 7: wlx18d6c719289b: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN group default qlen 1000 |
| 00:08.31 | art7734 | link/ether 18:d6:c7:19:28:9b brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff |
| 00:09.07 | Blondie101010 | bring it down first to turn on monitor mode |
| 00:09.19 | art7734 | ? Howð |
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| 00:11.13 | Blondie101010 | ip link set wlx18d6c719289b down |
| 00:12.09 | Blondie101010 | art7734: ^^ |
| 00:12.29 | jezebel | will ifup/ifdown be removed in a future debian release? |
| 00:13.10 | Blondie101010 | jezebel: so many people want them gone that they'll soon disappear from all distros |
| 00:13.35 | jezebel | thought so :) |
| 00:14.17 | jezebel | i'd uninstall it if it wouldnt break things |
| 00:14.39 | Blondie101010 | jezebel: there's no point |
| 00:15.17 | art7734 | I put |
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| 02:29.10 | michael2 | hi, I have a problem where network manager returns "Error: read only filesystem" when it tries to write to the files in /etc/Networkmanager/system-connections. I suspect this is because the /lib/systemd/system/NetworkManager.service sets the properties: ProtectSystem=true, Protect-Home=read-only. I want to disable this so I created a new NetworkManager.service and set ProtectSystem=false and removed the |
| 02:29.12 | michael2 | `ProtectHome' option. but network manager still reports a read-only file system. how can I remove and disable this? |
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| 02:46.02 | karlpinc | michael2: IIRC, "man systemd.unit" says to put a NetworkManager.service file in /etc/systemd/system/NetworkManager.d/ directory. Settings in it should override the system default. |
| 02:46.58 | karlpinc | Er, /etc/systemd/system/NetworkManager.service.d/ |
| 02:47.09 | michael2 | karlpinc: I put its in /etc/systemd/system/NetworkManager.service - that should work also |
| 02:47.43 | karlpinc | michael2: There is some subtle difference I don't recall offhand. |
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| 02:48.37 | karlpinc | michael2: But have you done a "systemctl daemon-reload". Without that changes are not effected. |
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| 02:49.07 | michael2 | yeah, I did that |
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| 02:49.16 | karlpinc | (Although it's not clear to me if daemon-reload happens automatically at boot.) |
| 02:50.43 | michael2 | I want to symlink /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections to a separate data partition which is mounted in $HOME. But when I do that I can't edit the network manager profiles and I want to know how to make that work? |
| 02:50.51 | karlpinc | michael2: That's about all I know. I always found NetworkManger a pain and don't use it. I think maybe if you use the *.d directory you can override specific default settings without having to override everything. |
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| 02:52.30 | michael2 | karlpinc: yeah, I dont understand daemon reload - I just run it always |
| 02:52.35 | karlpinc | michael2: It may, conceivably, have to do with whatever else is happening during boot. Whether stuff is mounted read-write at the time. You might (maybe) need additional dependencies to make sure the system is as you think it is. |
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| 02:55.11 | michael2 | also. I have installed debian using netinstaller (just minimal standard task), then xserver-xorg, then i3, and the pavucontrol. but I stil have no sound when I watch youtube on firefox - how can I enable sound? |
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| 02:55.47 | karlpinc | michael2: Have you tried debugging by symlinking to something in /? Then something in $HOME and then a filesystem mounted in $HOME. Maybe networkmanager does not like symlinks (or something). |
| 02:56.34 | michael2 | karlpinc: yes, Ive done that - and it works if the source files are in /media/... |
| 02:56.59 | michael2 | trouble is I need to reinstall entire OS to move the folder to /media... |
| 02:57.08 | karlpinc | michael2: As it happens, I've never bothered to get sound working on any of my boxes. Although sometimes sound has worked. I'd start by sending messages to the channel bot. Type "/msg dpkg sound" in this channel and then chase through the factoids. |
| 02:58.01 | michael2 | karlpinc: you don't have sound on any of your computers?! |
| 02:58.05 | karlpinc | michael2: Do you know how to use dpkg-reconfigure? Perhaps you need to reconfigure networkmanager. |
| 02:58.25 | karlpinc | michael2: I find sound distracting. I use computers for work. |
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| 02:59.07 | laudecay | yo how's debian work with i3? |
| 02:59.09 | michael2 | how do watch video? |
| 02:59.21 | michael2 | laudecay: the best :) |
| 02:59.27 | karlpinc | michael2: I have a chromebox hooked up to a tv. |
| 02:59.32 | laudecay | should i swap to debian from arch........ |
| 02:59.35 | michael2 | laudecay: except no sound.. |
| 02:59.46 | laudecay | michael2: wait seriously |
| 02:59.53 | laudecay | mmmmmmm maybe stayin with arch |
| 03:00.12 | michael2 | well apparently not everyone nneeds sound :) |
| 03:00.12 | karlpinc | laudecay: michael2 did a minimal install, it comes with no sound. |
| 03:00.15 | annadane | i don't think sound is distro specific. you would switch to debian from arch for more specific reasons |
| 03:00.55 | laudecay | annadane: im just exhausted of dependency hell and things taking so much work to get working |
| 03:01.11 | laudecay | i just want to make sure that my fave window manager will work on both :) |
| 03:01.17 | michael2 | one difference between debian and arch is that arch is roling release packages - no fixed release |
| 03:01.22 | annadane | well, sure. if you want something that Just Works, the stable branch of debian is great, if you don't mind the older software |
| 03:01.29 | annadane | what is your favorite window manager? |
| 03:01.32 | laudecay | .....i know i've been on arch for years lmao |
| 03:01.34 | laudecay | i3 |
| 03:01.35 | karlpinc | laudecay: Sadly, computers suck. Package management is nice in Debian, and there's lots of packages. |
| 03:01.59 | annadane | yeah, well, it's packaged for debian and does work pretty well. it's not that sound in debian in i3 doesn't work, there could be a number of reasons |
| 03:02.16 | annadane | data point: i use i3, and have sound |
| 03:03.10 | laudecay | oof brb |
| 03:03.16 | laudecay | later i gotta make a decision soon fhdjsklahfgsjkadhkdfs |
| 03:03.45 | karlpinc | I haven't found a wm I like since enlightenment 16, or something. I forget. I'll go look at i3. |
| 03:03.49 | michael2 | annadane: do you remember how you got sound working? |
| 03:04.15 | karlpinc | michael2: The bot will tell you how, msg it. |
| 03:04.17 | michael2 | maybe I need to reboot? |
| 03:04.21 | annadane | no, i don't know, it's just always worked. the order my installation of packages was task-xfce-desktop which brought in pavucontrol and later installed the i3 metapackage |
| 03:05.13 | karlpinc | michael2: Start debugging at the bottom, will any sound come out at all, and so forth... |
| 03:05.22 | annadane | i know if you install pavucontrol you generally need to reboot or pavucontrol won't display but i don't know if that has anything to do with general sound not working |
| 03:05.37 | karlpinc | (Always helpful to begin with "are the speakers plugged in") |
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| 03:06.47 | michael2 | karlpinc: I msg dpkg it just says have you tried: http://www.tldp.org/ |
| 03:07.03 | annadane | that's a generic message |
| 03:07.12 | annadane | like "is it larger than a breadbox?" |
| 03:07.14 | michael2 | annadane: exactly |
| 03:07.17 | annadane | or "do you use windows?" |
| 03:07.58 | karlpinc | michael2: "/msg dpkg sound" |
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| 03:08.29 | michael2 | do you use the internet, "please contact you system administrator", send $1900 in good faith money to this address... |
| 03:08.44 | michael2 | karlpinc: i did that |
| 03:09.11 | karlpinc | !sound |
| 03:09.11 | dpkg | Ask me about <alsa>, <alsa checklist>. See also <default alsa>, <pulseaudio>. |
| 03:09.35 | karlpinc | But if you use ! then the channel will get annoyed. message the bot instead. |
| 03:10.25 | karlpinc | michael2: "alsa checklist" is what you need to see if the kernel will play sound. An essential first step. |
| 03:11.11 | michael2 | karlpinc: i did that - then dpkg just asked me if I was using windows - so I gave it a box of crayons and told it to go sit in the corner and play.... |
| 03:11.55 | karlpinc | michael2: What did you type? |
| 03:12.10 | michael2 | :dpkg "alsa checklist" |
| 03:12.22 | michael2 | dpkg: "alsa checklist" |
| 03:12.23 | dpkg | michael2: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 03:12.28 | karlpinc | michael2: You don't want the double quotes |
| 03:12.37 | michael2 | dpkg: alsa checklist |
| 03:12.37 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 03:12.53 | michael2 | cool :) |
| 03:12.54 | karlpinc | michael2: But don't spam the channel with stuff that only you need to see |
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| 03:13.28 | michael2 | karlpinc: I know that. I only typed because you asked, :) |
| 03:14.25 | annadane | a good generic recommendation if you don't care too much (because some people do dislike pulseaudio for technical reasons) is to install pavucontrol, it drags in pulseaudio and gives you a nice GUI to control sound, and may fix sound issues |
| 03:14.46 | karlpinc | had forgotten about the audio group |
| 03:15.06 | michael2 | annadane: thats what I installed "pavucontrol" |
| 03:15.07 | annadane | i have seen it happen where sound suddenly starts working after people do that but as i said if you install pavucontrol you probably have to reboot or it won't display |
| 03:15.26 | karlpinc | /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.txt.gz is always a good read. |
| 03:15.36 | annadane | or maybe it's just restarting the display manager that does it, not sure |
| 03:15.56 | michael2 | yeah, ok, I'll try restart display manager, then rebooting. I'll be away for a while while I do that... |
| 03:16.47 | lovepopsickle | how come you guys don't have the amazing program timeshift in your repos..you can save you a couple of hours with a crash but linux does like to take the long way home sometimes sigh |
| 03:17.00 | annadane | ,v timeshift |
| 03:17.01 | judd | Package: timeshift on amd64 -- jessie-multimedia: 6.700-dmo2; stretch-multimedia: 6.700-dmo2; wheezy-multimedia: 6.700-dmo2 |
| 03:17.13 | karlpinc | Maybe michael2 will get lucky, or maybe he does not have the right firmward for audio.... |
| 03:17.20 | annadane | we do... sort of. but -multipedia packages are generally to be avoided |
| 03:17.32 | lovepopsickle | oh weird..well you guys's search engine stinks just saying i typed in redshif on the website and got nothing |
| 03:17.49 | karlpinc | lovepopsickle: I prefer rsync with hardlinks. |
| 03:17.51 | annadane | i think even if it's in -multimedia you can |
| 03:17.52 | annadane | !rfp |
| 03:17.52 | dpkg | Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, a RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ", ask me about <wnpp>. The best way of getting software packaged is to do it yourself: ask me about <nmg>. |
| 03:18.13 | lovepopsickle | karlpinc, i think it does use rsync this is a os backup system program |
| 03:18.17 | annadane | redshift != timeshift |
| 03:18.30 | annadane | redshift is a screen brightness control thing |
| 03:18.34 | lovepopsickle | yes |
| 03:18.38 | lovepopsickle | i know |
| 03:18.42 | lovepopsickle | i have both :) |
| 03:18.49 | lovepopsickle | oops |
| 03:18.52 | lovepopsickle | typo kids |
| 03:18.54 | lovepopsickle | sorry |
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| 03:19.11 | lovepopsickle | but its good you have the program |
| 03:19.27 | lovepopsickle | .v bleachbit |
| 03:19.28 | karlpinc | lovepopsickle: You want to search from a web page? |
| 03:19.43 | lovepopsickle | ,v bleachbit |
| 03:19.44 | judd | Package: bleachbit on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.9.2-2; jessie: 1.4-1; stretch: 1.12-1; buster: 2.0-2; sid: 2.0-2 |
| 03:19.47 | lovepopsickle | lol |
| 03:20.05 | lovepopsickle | k whose idea was it to do , instead of . linux peeps lol |
| 03:20.47 | lovepopsickle | karlpinc, i tried the backport search page |
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| 03:22.35 | annadane | also never mind about rfp. the reasons why packages are in -multimedia probably means such a situation is ill advised and probably a waste of tim |
| 03:22.37 | annadane | time |
| 03:23.07 | annadane | i guess it depends on the package |
| 03:23.12 | karlpinc | lovepopsickle: I usually use the command line: aptitude or apt-file or debtags. There's wepages -- somewhere. You could try packages.debian.org or sources.debian.net. I forget. |
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| 03:25.51 | michael2 | karlpinc: how do I test that the kernel has loaded my sound card device driver and has recognised firmware ? |
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| 04:17.46 | silverballz | michael2: is lspci what your looking for? |
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| 04:36.11 | michael2 | silverballz: lspci just tells you whats connected - I think |
| 04:36.22 | michael2 | not whats all configured and working etc |
| 04:38.03 | silverballz | would pulse audio be the firmware then? |
| 04:39.41 | silverballz | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting |
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| 04:52.28 | factor | I had installed a second nvidia video card and my sound stopped working, how can I reset my sound as a fresh install? |
| 04:52.47 | factor | to use my built in acXX audio |
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| 07:05.58 | hipodilski | hi how to reinstall my base system debian packages that are installed from cd on debian install time |
| 07:07.08 | darxmurf | what for ? |
| 07:07.22 | hipodilski | darxmurf: i tried testing and tried to revert back to stable |
| 07:07.33 | hipodilski | and now the packages are messed and can't install gnome anymore |
| 07:07.44 | hipodilski | so I want to substitute the main packages and then reinstall the rest with apt .. |
| 07:08.15 | darxmurf | how did you revert to stable ? |
| 07:08.30 | hipodilski | and all this because some idiot developrs from gnome decided to remove the desktop icons and i tried to put down the old gnome with the stable |
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| 07:08.58 | hipodilski | darxmurf: change sources.list and /etc/apt/preferences and used aptitude |
| 07:09.38 | hipodilski | fucking gnome-session doesn't work anymore at all |
| 07:09.51 | hipodilski | its all bloated, i remember in the past I used to downgrade debian without so much issues |
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| 07:10.02 | at0m | !downgrade |
| 07:10.03 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 07:10.50 | at0m | ... and its those "idiot developrs" that give you gnome in the first place |
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| 07:11.28 | hipodilski | at0m: i am not against developers but its a stupidity to remove the icons featre from gnome if it was working |
| 07:11.48 | at0m | and up to you to read changelist when upgrading |
| 07:11.51 | hipodilski | that's so ridiculous |
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| 07:12.22 | hipodilski | at0m: of course its my fault |
| 07:12.31 | at0m | this isnt going to solve any of your issues |
| 07:12.34 | hipodilski | but still removing such an important feature is ridiculous |
| 07:13.20 | at0m | there's plenty DE that don't have the desktop icons you speak of, and they got addon programs for that. i'm sure they run under gnome, too |
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| 07:14.33 | hipodilski | at0m: addon program doesn |
| 07:14.40 | hipodilski | 't work with gnome-flashback .. |
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| 07:15.38 | at0m | idesk, xdesk, fbdesk,.. |
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| 07:16.18 | at0m | have you even bothered to ask in #gnome? |
| 07:16.43 | at0m | or do you think you're the only one who misses desktop icons? |
| 07:16.50 | hipodilski | at0m: yes |
| 07:17.02 | hipodilski | at0m: noone answered anything |
| 07:17.27 | at0m | then wait. or websearch. at least you'll find gnome users there. |
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| 07:17.43 | hipodilski | at0m: i did websearch and tried all fixes for the problem |
| 07:18.07 | hipodilski | none of which does give you a normal working behaviour like in gnome < 2.28 |
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| 07:22.55 | darxmurf | I hope you did not ask in #gnome "who is the stupid dev who removed the icons" :D |
| 07:23.46 | dansan_laptop | hello. I'm using "unstable", how can I get a 4.14 kernel instead of the bleeding edge? |
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| 07:24.26 | Fox | !debian-next |
| 07:24.26 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 07:24.38 | Fox | dansan_laptop: ^ |
| 07:24.41 | dansan_laptop | Thank you Fox |
| 07:24.44 | Fox | yaw |
| 07:24.48 | dansan_laptop | join #debian-next |
| 07:24.52 | dansan_laptop | lol!@! |
| 07:24.54 | dansan_laptop | sorry |
| 07:24.56 | Fox | dansan_laptop: it's not on freenode |
| 07:25.05 | Fox | it's on oftc, read carefuly |
| 07:25.07 | dansan_laptop | ahh, I see |
| 07:25.46 | dansan_laptop | That's the problem with troubleshooting when sick and in pain! thanks again :) |
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| 07:26.20 | hipodilski | debian next is invite only |
| 07:26.41 | dansan_laptop | aww crap |
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| 07:27.07 | n4dir | hipodilski: read very carefully what dpkg says: |
| 07:27.11 | n4dir | !debian-next |
| 07:27.11 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 07:27.13 | dansan_laptop | oh, it isn't on oft |
| 07:27.19 | dansan_laptop | oftc rather |
| 07:27.30 | Benedict | why the frick does kvm windows server use so much cpu at 'idle' https://i.imgur.com/fJQBNB8.png |
| 07:27.45 | hipodilski | n4dir: yes sorry i misred .. |
| 07:28.09 | dansan_laptop | Benedict: It shouldn't, but I recall havint that problem with some version of either qemu or the linux kernel... |
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| 07:28.33 | n4dir | hipodilski: no need to be sorry, it happens to *everyone*, including me :-) |
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| 07:29.46 | dansan_laptop | Benedict: I do know that it's good with linux 4.14.67 and qemu 2.12.1 |
| 07:30.04 | dansan_laptop | Benedict: Well, my vm is Windows 7 anyway... |
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| 07:37.03 | dansan_laptop | hrm, nobody awake in #debian-next :( I guess I'll try another kernel that shows up in apt-cache |
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| 08:47.53 | edmont | hi |
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| 09:00.12 | Psy-Q | i wonder, i grabbed the official owncloud-client packages from their repo. usually "apt-get install owncloud-client" will then pick their (2.5.x) version on stretch. but on exactly one machine, their repo didn't have priority and so apt kept using the 2.2.4 from stable |
| 09:00.24 | Psy-Q | what could explain this? i don't recall fiddling with priorities ever |
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| 09:08.45 | Psy-Q | it seems their repo gets added with priority 500 (vs. 990 for debian's), but that is the same for Steam. yet it seems to pick up the new Steam package fine |
| 09:09.22 | Psy-Q | whoops, no, forget that. steam is also pulled from debian |
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| 09:16.25 | Psy-Q | https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences seems to have many people guessing about how it could work, a bit like soothsayers and oracles in pre-history maybe |
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| 09:27.29 | n4dir | Psy-Q: to me it doesn't seem that unclear, perhaps i misunderstand. Because the steam and owncloud repos have a lower priority than the debian repos, per default apt-get will pick the debian version. No? |
| 09:28.59 | Friedspace | Hi, why does the following preseed command fail, when using d-i with preseeded configuration: |
| 09:29.01 | Friedspace | d-i preseed/late_command string \ |
| 09:29.01 | Friedspace | in-target sh -c 'echo "user123 ALL=ALL:PASSWD" > /etc/sudoers.d/user123'; |
| 09:29.28 | jelly | !basic pat troubleshooting |
| 09:29.35 | jelly | !basic apt troubleshooting |
| 09:29.36 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 09:30.23 | jelly | Psy-Q: ^ provide all that and then someone can take a look and see if everything works as expected, or you have prerefences or some apt config changing things |
| 09:30.50 | Psy-Q | n4dir: but the article says that sometimes lower/higher versions still take precedence despite lower/higher priority, and sometimes "no package" does, and then other people contradict what was just written |
| 09:31.11 | Psy-Q | jelly: OK |
| 09:31.13 | jelly | Friedspace: does /etc/sudoers.d/ directory exist (does sudo package get installed from d-i directly)? |
| 09:31.32 | Friedspace | jelly: yep |
| 09:31.59 | jelly | Friedspace: and the file does not get created? |
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| 09:32.14 | Friedspace | jelly: no |
| 09:32.18 | Psy-Q | oh, i don't have that output anymore. i'll have to try to uninstall and recreate the situation |
| 09:32.52 | jelly | Psy-Q: you still have one system that works as expected, and one that doesn't tho? |
| 09:34.13 | Psy-Q | jelly: yes, the one that does is a few km away and not online, but i can check that in the evening. i can recreate the problem (if it is one) here |
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| 09:36.47 | Friedspace | jelly: in installer syslog I found "debconf: <-- 10 sh doesn't exist". But the commands before e.g.: in-target sh -c "update-alternatives --set editor /usr/bin/vim.basic"; works fine |
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| 09:38.50 | Psy-Q | maybe it's the expected result, this is how i did it: http://paste.debian.net/1043898/ |
| 09:42.33 | Psy-Q | complete apt-cache policy was missing: http://paste.debian.net/1043899/ |
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| 09:44.15 | omarek | Hi, what's the debianest way to disable left CTRL key (in X11, mostly)? I use setxkbmap -layout pl -option ctrl:nocaps |
| 09:44.58 | omarek | ... to remap Caps Lock as CTRL. The only missing piece of the puzzle is to temporarily disable the left CTRL key so I'm forced to use Caps. |
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| 10:16.08 | superlinux | hello. |
| 10:17.47 | superlinux | I cannot open files whose names contain arabic characters in LibreOffice. LibreOffice sees them as question marks. and I know it's a matter of Unicode, but I don't know how to fix it. please help me. |
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| 10:21.27 | ksk | superlinux: you are talking about filenames or the content of an libreoffice document? |
| 10:21.56 | ksk | not sure if libreoffice would care about system wide things, or if it would ship its own stack of whatever. |
| 10:22.40 | ksk | Id guess having utf-8 configured properly, plus having a font that supports arabic would do the trick for the system, not sure about LO though |
| 10:24.34 | superlinux | ksk, the filename itself is shown in Arabic. however Libre reads it as questions |
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| 10:24.59 | ksk | mhmk. |
| 10:25.02 | superlinux | so unless I use latin chars, I won't be able to open |
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| 10:26.03 | superlinux | ksk, I am fine with the content. the content works just fine. |
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| 10:26.47 | ksk | ah, so the "Open File" dialog in LO is the problem? |
| 10:26.55 | superlinux | yes |
| 10:26.58 | ksk | search the package database I found "libreoffice-l10n-ar - office productivity suite -- Arabic language package" |
| 10:27.07 | ksk | but if you can see arabic letter inside the text already.. |
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| 10:28.25 | superlinux | yes I can see the arabic content in the file. it's just in the "open file" . the filename is read as question marks. |
| 10:28.29 | ksk | superlinux: another wild guess: LO utilizes your $desktop file-open-dialog, and that does not support unicode/arabic for whatnot reasons - could you maybe check that? (by using another programm wich offers the same looking "open file" dialog thingy |
| 10:28.39 | ksk | ) |
| 10:28.57 | superlinux | how about locales? |
| 10:29.44 | ksk | might be your DE (desktop environment) has the wrong locales, but Id rather doubt that if its a recent (<4years?) install of debian. |
| 10:32.10 | superlinux | ok |
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| 10:33.13 | ksk | but Id check about the dialog thing, and if that is true start looking for the error somewhere DE related. |
| 10:34.52 | superlinux | ksk, it's actually for someone who asked to have his desktop completely arabized. |
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| 10:35.34 | superlinux | but I don't arabize my desktop at all.. I just allow Arabic typing |
| 10:35.49 | superlinux | and the files with arabic names open just fine |
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| 10:39.40 | Pinchiukas | Why am I getting the following: dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/adduser_3.115_all.deb (--unpack): |
| 10:39.42 | Pinchiukas | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:39.56 | Pinchiukas | Shouldn't apt kind of... take care of things like these? |
| 10:41.07 | TvL2386 | imho this is apt taking care of it... If you create your own deb files that manages the exact same file(s), you would want it to error out right? I would... |
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| 10:43.27 | ksk | ack. |
| 10:43.30 | bites | Pinchiukas: did you manually change something in /usr/share/locale/it ? check if that directory and /usr/share/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES exist. |
| 10:43.30 | Pinchiukas | I didn't create anything. Just reinstalling a Debian package. |
| 10:43.49 | Pinchiukas | bites: I think some files got corrupted there, that's why I'm reinstalling. |
| 10:44.14 | bites | how got it corrupted? |
| 10:45.14 | Pinchiukas | I think the storage got borked. I copied everything to a new storage device and now trying to repair the corrupted files. |
| 10:45.37 | bites | so, do the directories i mentioned exist? |
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| 10:46.20 | Pinchiukas | The /usr/share/locale/it thing is a file now: pr-Sr-xrw- 1 3792004604 2482912498 0 Apr 24 1907 /usr/share/locale/it |
| 10:47.35 | bites | p is a named pipe... /usr/share/locale/it should be a directory instead. |
| 10:48.00 | bites | remove it, create a directory. |
| 10:48.16 | Pinchiukas | Yeah, looks like removing it helped. |
| 10:48.24 | Pinchiukas | I should probably just reinstall this eventually. |
| 10:48.32 | bites | probably |
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| 10:49.24 | Kemopan | jelly, yo, want to say that my problem with bridge was that host was virtualized .-. quite silly |
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| 11:12.36 | jelly | Kemopan: weird |
| 11:13.51 | Kemopan | I've asked to turn on promiscuous mode on physical interface and everything began to work x_x |
| 11:14.05 | Kemopan | @vmware |
| 11:16.01 | jelly | Friedspace: what if you avoid one level of quotes and do sh -c "echo user123 ALL=ALL:PASSWD > /etc/sudoers.d/user123" ? |
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| 11:27.17 | simpledat | Hi /quit |
| 11:27.57 | jelly | bye /quit |
| 11:28.19 | edmont | do you know how to populate /proc/net/mcfilter? |
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| 11:35.08 | simpledat | Does anyone know how to fix this? http://paste.debian.net/1043907/ |
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| 11:35.54 | jelly | ,v docker.io |
| 11:35.55 | judd | Package: docker.io on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1.6.2~dfsg1-1~bpo8+1; buster: 18.06.1+dfsg1-1; sid: 18.06.1+dfsg1-2 |
| 11:36.08 | jelly | ,checkbackport docker.io |
| 11:36.55 | jelly | !bat |
| 11:36.55 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 11:37.03 | judd | Backporting package docker.io in sidâstretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: golang-dbus-dev (>= 4.1.0~), golang-etcd-server-dev, golang-github-azure-go-ansiterm-dev, golang-github-bshuster-repo-logrus-logstash-hook-dev, golang-github-bsphere-le-go-dev, golang-github-cloudflare-cfssl-dev, golang-github-containerd-btrfs-dev (>= 0.0~git20180306~), golang-github-containerd- |
| 11:37.04 | Friedspace | jelly: tried your proposal and the result is the same. the file is not created |
| 11:37.05 | judd | cgroups-dev, golang-github-containerd-console-dev, golang-github-containerd-fifo-dev, golang-github-containerd-go-runc-dev, golang-github-containerd-typeurl-dev, golang-github-coreos-go-systemd-dev (>= 17~), golang-github-denverdino-aliyungo-dev, golang-github-docker-docker-credential-helpers-dev (>= 0.6.1~), golang-github-docker-goamz-dev, golang-github-docker-go-connections-dev (>= 0.3.0~), golang- (3 more messages) |
| 11:37.27 | jelly | simpledat: ^^ provide all of that apt troubleshooting info, preferably in a single paste.debian.net entry |
| 11:40.00 | simpledat | jelly: How do you want me to run step 2? |
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| 11:41.01 | jelly | simpledat: apt-cache policy nvidia-driver nvidia-installer-cleanup nvidia-legacy-check nvidia-driver-libs ... |
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| 11:44.19 | darxmurf | simpledat: I had to fight a coupel of times with this :-x in the end the fastest way was to apt-get autoremove --purge all those nvidia packages and then apt-get install -t |
| 11:44.45 | simpledat | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/1043909/ |
| 11:45.30 | simpledat | darxmurf: I have none of them installed yet. So there is nothing to autoremove or purge? |
| 11:45.45 | simpledat | darxmurf: Fresh install |
| 11:45.52 | darxmurf | ah okay |
| 11:46.36 | simpledat | darxmurf: I was thinking of try to install it with debian rescue mode, do you think that would work? |
| 11:46.55 | jelly | ,v nvidia-installer-cleanup |
| 11:46.56 | judd | Package: nvidia-installer-cleanup on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 20120630+3; jessie/contrib: 20141201+1; jessie-backports/contrib: 20151021+1~bpo8+1; stretch/contrib: 20151021+4; buster/contrib: 20151021+8; sid/contrib: 20151021+8 |
| 11:46.57 | darxmurf | I would not |
| 11:47.06 | simpledat | darxmurf: Why? |
| 11:47.13 | darxmurf | well, why use rescue mode ? |
| 11:47.25 | jelly | simpledat: you will want to enable contrib and non-free sources for the normal repos as well |
| 11:47.27 | darxmurf | it should works "out of the box" in normal mode |
| 11:47.31 | jelly | !non-free sources |
| 11:47.31 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 11:47.45 | jelly | not just stretch-backports |
| 11:48.34 | jelly | so every line that goes deb ...debian.org/... main, replace "main" with "main contrib non-free" and do an apt-get update |
| 11:48.56 | darxmurf | damn, I did not catch that in the logs he sent |
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| 11:49.37 | jelly | darxmurf: figured out from "apt-cache policy" output and lookup of where nvidia-installer-cleanup comes from, above |
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| 11:49.45 | simpledat | jelly: Should it look like this? http://paste.debian.net/1043910/ |
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| 11:50.02 | jelly | simpledat: yes |
| 11:50.14 | simpledat | jelly: Ok done |
| 11:50.23 | jelly | and try again |
| 11:50.38 | jelly | and maybe don't do that, but |
| 11:50.42 | jelly | !nvidia dkms |
| 11:50.42 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
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| 11:51.09 | simpledat | jelly: Dont do what? |
| 11:51.14 | simpledat | :/ |
| 11:51.49 | jelly | installing the nvidia-driver thing |
| 11:52.24 | simpledat | What do you want me to do first? |
| 11:52.27 | simpledat | apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's/[^-]*-[^-]*-//') |
| 11:52.31 | simpledat | ? |
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| 11:52.40 | jelly | no, that's all one huge command line |
| 11:52.49 | jelly | aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
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| 11:53.36 | simpledat | jelly: I already installed it (nvidia-driver) :/ |
| 11:53.40 | simpledat | hmh |
| 11:53.48 | jelly | alright then |
| 11:54.14 | simpledat | Should I do? aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed |
| 11:54.14 | simpledat | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.14 | simpledat | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.14 | simpledat | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.16 | tdn | What is the prefered login manager for debian with KDE? |
| 11:54.21 | simpledat | Sorry |
| 11:54.22 | jelly | if it pulled in the dkms package and built stuff, you can just |
| 11:54.24 | jelly | mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
| 11:54.27 | darxmurf | jelly, sometimes you need the nvidia-drivers ;-) |
| 11:55.31 | jelly | darxmurf: it's somewhat less problematic to install via kernel headers and nvidia-kernel-dkms than via the main driver package |
| 11:55.58 | tdn | Is lightdm preferred? |
| 11:56.15 | tdn | What do I get if I select debian desktop env --> KDE when installing debian? |
| 11:56.19 | n4dir | tdn: i would assume for kde kdm is the preferred displaymanager |
| 11:56.36 | tdn | n4dir, I would too but that does not seem available |
| 11:57.06 | tdn | n4dir, there is no kdm packages anymore. I think it is lightdm or sddm now |
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| 11:57.38 | n4dir | oh. you learn a new thing every day. my fault. |
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| 11:58.20 | simpledat | jelly: This is what I get. http://paste.debian.net/1043911/ |
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| 11:59.37 | simpledat | jelly: Should I also download nvidia-kernel-dkms ? |
| 11:59.49 | n4dir | tdn: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/task-kde-desktop says it depends on sddm, probably some tasksel command foo would be able to tell you too. As i already have just been wrong: don't take my word for it :-) |
| 12:00.02 | simpledat | and then mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section"Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection'> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
| 12:00.05 | simpledat | ? |
| 12:00.30 | jelly | simpledat: nvidia-driver ought to have pulled it in automatically. If you have logs you should be able to see if that installation built some kernel modules or not |
| 12:01.00 | jelly | simpledat: it won't hurt to install it again and do the xorg snippet thing, sure |
| 12:01.20 | jelly | simpledat: is linux-headers-$(uname -r) installed? |
| 12:01.31 | simpledat | Yes |
| 12:01.48 | jelly | good |
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| 12:02.56 | jelly | simpledat: does "modinfo nvidia-current" return something other than a single "... not found." line? |
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| 12:03.09 | simpledat | nvidia-kernel-dkms is already the newest version (390.87-2~bpo9+1). |
| 12:03.09 | simpledat | nvidia-kernel-dkms set to manually installed. |
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| 12:03.58 | Friedspace | jelly: after your proposal did not work, I tried: sh -c 'touch /etc/sudoers.d/user123' |
| 12:04.27 | Friedspace | jelly: which does not work |
| 12:04.41 | simpledat | jelly: Yes, modinfo nvidia-current - version: 390.87 and more content |
| 12:04.42 | Friedspace | jelly: same error message |
| 12:05.08 | simpledat | jelly: You want me to paste.debian.net? |
| 12:05.23 | jelly | simpledat: all is set, then, barring unforeseen bugs you could reboot and see if the closed driver takes effect |
| 12:05.48 | simpledat | jelly: What about? mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e'Section"Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver"nvidia"\nEndSection'> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf\nEndSection'> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf -< What will it do actually? |
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| 12:06.19 | jelly | simpledat: it creates a file telling X server which driver to use by default. |
| 12:06.44 | jelly | and your paste has a bit duplicated |
| 12:07.21 | simpledat | jelly: ouch , http://paste.debian.net/1043912/ |
| 12:07.31 | simpledat | stuck at > |
| 12:07.45 | jelly | ctrl-c out of that line |
| 12:07.49 | jelly | mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section"Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection'> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
| 12:08.34 | darxmurf | but nvidia driver adds it automatically in the conf isn't it ? |
| 12:08.53 | simpledat | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/1043913/ |
| 12:09.21 | jelly | simpledat: you will want to make less toyps |
| 12:09.30 | n4dir | or use copy/paste ... |
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| 12:09.55 | darxmurf | simpledat: you missed a space after -p |
| 12:10.07 | jelly | simpledat: there needs to be some whitespace after -p and before directory name |
| 12:10.23 | simpledat | gotch you |
| 12:10.32 | jelly | darxmurf: it did not last time we updated that recipe |
| 12:10.47 | simpledat | jelly: I didnt get any output |
| 12:10.53 | simpledat | From that line |
| 12:10.56 | darxmurf | normal :) |
| 12:10.59 | jelly | you weren't supposed to get any output, that's fine |
| 12:11.05 | simpledat | jelly: Thanks alot :) |
| 12:11.47 | n4dir | simpledat: not many commands give you a detailed report about how happy they are they succeeded. Quite confusing in the beginning. |
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| 12:12.16 | jelly | in fact, unix commands are (were?) supposed to keep quiet if everything worked |
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| 12:12.50 | n4dir | jelly: i was shy, i would assume that is rather the default case ... (but i really only use only a couple of commands) |
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| 12:26.40 | sphalerite | Hi folks. Is there a way to bootstrap debian from a tarball or something? My distro's debootstrap is broken |
| 12:27.23 | colo-work | you can just extract a suitable deboostrap .deb with ar and tar |
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| 12:30.47 | jelly | sphalerite: which distro is it, would you be able to dpkg -i latest debootstrap from debian? |
| 12:30.57 | tdn | n4dir, thanks! I'll go with sddm |
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| 12:31.29 | sphalerite | jelly: nixos, and no I'd rather not "pollute" (sorry for the rather non-neutral terminology) the root of that installation :/ |
| 12:32.43 | sphalerite | main trouble with running it from nixos is that nixos doesn't follow FHS and doesn't patch all the bits of debootstrap that assume FHS |
| 12:32.44 | jelly | sphalerite: then get debootstrap source from sid, unpack somewhere and use as-is |
| 12:33.03 | FinalX | ...as colo-work already pointed out :p |
| 12:33.05 | sphalerite | jelly: it still complains about stuff like missing archive keyring |
| 12:33.45 | jelly | nod |
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| 12:34.07 | n4dir | isn't debootstrap just a script? |
| 12:34.39 | n4dir | /usr/sbin/debootstrap: POSIX shell script, ASCII text executable ; seems so. |
| 12:35.58 | sphalerite | eeeeeh I suppose I'll just try and fix the nix packaging for debootstrap |
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| 12:36.05 | FinalX | it'd still need the keys |
| 12:36.53 | jelly | n4dir: it's not really self-contained any more and hasn't been for a while |
| 12:37.30 | sphalerite | cdebootstrap-static also doesn't seem to like being running if it's not been unpacked in / |
| 12:37.37 | sphalerite | s/being// |
| 12:37.52 | n4dir | jelly: i see. i seem to recall i used it on slackware, it was kinda broken, but even i could easily fix it. But that ain't enough info to make an educated guess ... |
| 12:37.53 | jelly | sphalerite: might be worth filing a bug report upstream (= debian) for debootstrap |
| 12:38.09 | jelly | Nix isn't _that_ obscure any more |
| 12:38.33 | jelly | and the idea is for it to be able to run on any linux |
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| 12:40.19 | FinalX | sphalerite: as far as I remember, debootstrap needs the debian package signing keys to verify stuff. on debian/ubuntu, package signing keys for their respective distro are usually supplied through other packages already. I guess those are missing on nixos. |
| 12:40.43 | FinalX | so getting those keys to verify things against will probably solve your problem with it |
| 12:41.37 | sphalerite | FinalX: well tbh I've tried a number of approaches â the first most obvious one, just running debootstrap as packaged in nixpkgs, just switches to HTTPS since it doesnt' ahve the keyring |
| 12:41.58 | sphalerite | then later fails to run /bin/true in the chroot after unpacking a bunch of stuff |
| 12:42.05 | colo-work | also, maybe: --no-check-gpg |
| 12:42.09 | colo-work | (for debootstrap) |
| 12:42.28 | jelly | sphalerite: there wouldn't be a nixos package for debian-archive-keyring would it? |
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| 12:44.09 | n4dir | i just debootstrap power-pc sid, and had problems with finding the keys. Not sure if i used --no-check-certificate to get it done at all (probably not a good advice to go that route ... ) |
| 12:44.47 | sphalerite | jelly: nope, doesn't look like it, but as said it falls back to HTTPS so it's not the biggest problem |
| 12:44.58 | sphalerite | the real issue is later on "W: Failure trying to run: chroot "/mnt" /bin/true" |
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| 12:45.53 | jelly | sphalerite: does the running kernel have support for the arch you're trying to bootstrap |
| 12:46.06 | simpledat | jelly: Now it works :) |
| 12:46.18 | jelly | !win simpledat |
| 12:46.18 | dpkg | Congratulations, simpledat! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 12:46.36 | sphalerite | jelly: yep, running chroot /mnt /bin/true myself works fine |
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| 12:46.49 | sphalerite | maybe it's modifying PATH or something such that it can no longer find the chroot command |
| 12:47.10 | simpledat | jelly: I had to remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf then I run dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms |
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| 12:48.55 | sphalerite | jelly: yep that seems to be the problem â it can no longer find chroot because it's overriding $PATH |
| 12:49.01 | simpledat | jelly: The last command you told me to type, it just created a file? Or did it do anything else too? |
| 12:49.12 | sphalerite | I suppose the right solution there would be to find where chroot lives before changing $PATH and then invoking it thoruhg its absolute path |
| 12:49.25 | jelly | but it's calling "chroot" not "/sbin/chroot" ? |
| 12:49.30 | jelly | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 12:50.19 | sphalerite | jelly: yes: if ! PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin eval "$CHROOT_CMD \"\$@\"" 2>/dev/null; then |
| 12:50.38 | sphalerite | where CHROOT_CMD is chroot /mnt in my case |
| 12:51.06 | sphalerite | so using the absolute path to chroot when setting CHROOT_CMD would be the best fix I guess |
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| 12:52.28 | jelly | that kind of ought to work |
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| 12:53.55 | jelly | sphalerite: unless your chroot binary is not in either of those hardcoded PATH entries, then you're screwed |
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| 12:55.24 | sphalerite | jelly: exactly. I think CHROOT_CMD="chroot \"$TARGET\"" should instead be CHROOT_CMD="$(type -p chroot) \"$TARGET\"" |
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| 12:59.01 | simpledat | How do you make a file executable? |
| 12:59.13 | simpledat | chmod +x file.sh? |
| 13:01.59 | sphalerite | rerunning debootstrap is giving me E: Tried to extract package, but file already exists. Exit..., but I don't want to delete *everything* and have to redownload all the packages. What do I need to remove? |
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| 13:07.25 | sphalerite | ended up removing all the dirs in the destination except for /debootstrap and /var, but did remove /var/lib. That seems to have worked |
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| 13:07.44 | sphalerite | or not. |
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| 13:10.03 | jelly | simpledat: yes |
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| 14:17.03 | carlwgeorge | Can anyone link me to documentation about the significance and rules for having strings like `+b4`and `~bpo70+1` in revision strings? I'm coming from the RPM ecosystem and studying the rules for dpkg. |
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| 14:20.08 | nemo | carlwgeorge: build 4? ⺠|
| 14:20.57 | nemo | carlwgeorge: I have no idea either but if I had to guess that'd be build and build profile optimised |
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| 14:22.02 | nemo | ahhh backport I bet |
| 14:22.16 | nemo | yep. backport |
| 14:22.38 | nemo | https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingFormalBackports |
| 14:22.40 | sphalerite | carlwgeorge: http://www.fifi.org/doc/debian-policy/policy.html/ch-versions.html looks relevant |
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| 14:25.06 | carlwgeorge | nemo: that's what i was looking for, thanks! |
| 14:25.17 | carlwgeorge | especially `~bpo${debian_release}+${build_int}` |
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| 14:33.47 | jelly | +b are usually no-source-change rebuilds against newer versions of build dependencies; relatively rare in stable |
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| 14:34.33 | nemo | jelly: we had an issue like that with hedgewars rpm |
| 14:35.10 | nemo | jelly: they bumped physfs which claimed no ABI changes |
| 14:35.11 | nemo | not true |
| 14:35.22 | nemo | took a while to convince 'em to rebuild the package |
| 14:35.34 | nemo | hm. wait no. I think it was with arch actually |
| 14:35.52 | nemo | anyway spent a lot of time answering emails over and over from users "no, hedgewars isn't broken, downgrade your physfs version" |
| 14:39.30 | carlwgeorge | jelly: that's what it seems like, thanks for confirming |
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| 14:42.28 | carlwgeorge | I'm arbitrarily examining python3-geoip, and I see that 1.3.2-1 (jessie), 1.3.2-1+b2 (stretch), and 1.3.2-1+b4 (buster) have identical changelogs. To put it another way, `+b{build_int}` isn't in the changelog. Where is that defined/introduced? |
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| 14:44.59 | yokowka | heavenO, everysoul!!!! how to install in stretch this https://flathub.org/apps/details/io.github.qtox.qTox |
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| 14:49.08 | James1138 | Has anyone connected or heard about connecting to FaceBook WITHOUT using Pidgin? The reason I ask is that I use Pidgin for SkypeWeb and Google as well as Facebook but I see so many dependancies in Pidgin that I was looking for a lighter weight standalone alternative without loading down the browser like a Xmas tree. |
| 14:49.33 | greycat | yokowka: looks like they want you to use a "flatpak", and they point you to a setup guide, here: https://flatpak.org/setup/Debian/ |
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| 14:49.56 | HighMemoryDaemon | Hi, I think there is an error on wiki.debian.org/KDE. |
| 14:49.58 | greycat | After you've followed that "setup guide" for flatpak, just run the commands on the page that you linked. |
| 14:50.06 | HighMemoryDaemon | This command doesn't look right but I could be wrong: aptitude install ~t^desktop$ ~t^kde-desktop$ |
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| 14:50.17 | HighMemoryDaemon | Always got errors running it. |
| 14:50.38 | sphalerite | James1138: anything that uses libpurple should be able to access the same protocols as pidgin |
| 14:50.42 | yokowka | ÑеÑÑй, - благодÐÐ Ñ. |
| 14:51.04 | sphalerite | James1138: bitlbee + some IRC client might be more to your liking |
| 14:51.16 | jelly | HighMemoryDaemon: what kind of errors? |
| 14:51.40 | Tenkawa | Anyone heard any tricks/ideas on how to keep usb2 based "Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTS5129 Card Reader Controller" devices from corrupting their filesystems in recent kernels? |
| 14:51.46 | James1138 | So far I tried Ayttm, PSI+, Emesene and Empathy |
| 14:51.59 | Tenkawa | (on ultra high speed cards) |
| 14:52.03 | James1138 | Now I tried Gajim |
| 14:52.14 | HighMemoryDaemon | jelly, no matches found: ~t^desktop$ |
| 14:52.29 | jelly | HighMemoryDaemon: do you use zsh as login shell maybe? |
| 14:52.48 | HighMemoryDaemon | jelly, Yup! Is that a problem? |
| 14:53.00 | jelly | HighMemoryDaemon: quote those arguments beginning with ~, like this: aptitude install '~t^desktop$' '~t^kde-desktop$' |
| 14:53.12 | Tenkawa | cant see anything to pass to the modules in the tree to keep it at regular speed even to take uhs out of the equation |
| 14:53.37 | jelly | HighMemoryDaemon: that page probably makes asusmptions about your shell that zsh fails |
| 14:53.51 | HighMemoryDaemon | jelly, Ah, ok. Thanks! Btw, what does ~t^ mean? |
| 14:54.25 | jelly | no idea, judging from the context ~t means "task package matching the following regex" |
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| 14:55.02 | jelly | so basically install ~t^desktop$ is a silly version of saying install task-desktop |
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| 14:56.17 | HighMemoryDaemon | jelly, Makes sense |
| 14:57.06 | jelly | HighMemoryDaemon: zsh is strict about expading ~user to user's home directory. Bash tries to expand it, and if there's no user named "t^desktop$" it will happily ignore that and pass the string as-is |
| 14:57.27 | greycat | I'm wondering what characters bash considers valid for "user name". |
| 14:57.41 | greycat | Does it stop at just "t", or... |
| 14:58.10 | jelly | bash is inconsistent in other ways too, "echo foo*" will show different output based on contents of current directory |
| 14:58.40 | jelly | (this is a silly default, it can be told to be consistent but the default apparently won't be changed) |
| 14:58.42 | greycat | Hmm, experimenting -- looks like it does NOT try to expand ~t by itself. Or at least, it does not expand ~root^foo |
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| 14:59.11 | greycat | jelly: it's for historical reasons. So you can get a sane error message from "ls *.pfd". |
| 14:59.26 | jelly | it's fugly is what it is |
| 14:59.54 | jelly | either parse * or don't |
| 15:00.21 | greycat | There are various options you can set in bash to change how it behaves with non-matching globs. |
| 15:00.33 | jelly | I know. And the default will never be sane. |
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| 15:00.50 | greycat | The default is always going to be "it's 1981". |
| 15:00.58 | jelly | right |
| 15:01.24 | sphalerite | we need https://oilshell.org |
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| 15:01.58 | jelly | greycat: you can see how worn out this issue is by the fact I don't even try to troll #bash with it any more |
| 15:04.20 | greycat | It's not *really* fun until someone forgets the quotes in unset 'a[0]' |
| 15:05.28 | greycat | ... which somehow isn't on BashPitfalls yet. Fixing. |
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| 15:10.40 | nemo | greycat: I gotta think that anyone who even knows what a bash array is, knows about glob expansion and the dangers of quoting |
| 15:10.43 | nemo | one hopes |
| 15:10.49 | nemo | or not quoting |
| 15:11.09 | greycat | I've been in #bash for over 15 years, and sadly, you are mistaken. |
| 15:11.54 | nemo | greycat: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/50386 ⺠|
| 15:12.12 | nemo | I don't think that one was ever fixed. it just aged out |
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| 15:13.48 | jelly | nemo: you'd probably also think debian developers of 10-20 years would know how to make shell wrappers |
| 15:14.21 | jelly | [17:14] ~ => tail -n1 /usr/bin/pidgin |
| 15:14.22 | jelly | /usr/bin/pidgin.orig $* |
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| 15:14.32 | greycat | *headdesk* |
| 15:15.16 | sphalerite | lol nice |
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| 15:15.18 | jelly | no exec, no "$@" |
| 15:15.44 | sphalerite | doesn't the shell do a sort of "tail call optimisation" that makes the exec unnecessary? |
| 15:15.50 | greycat | nope. |
| 15:16.07 | sphalerite | where did I get that idea from then? x) |
| 15:16.09 | greycat | Bash will do that kind of optimization in certain subshells, but not in that case. |
| 15:16.49 | greycat | e.g. (exec sleep 10) and (sleep 10) do the same thing. |
| 15:17.43 | sphalerite | aah ok |
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| 15:20.33 | jelly | huh |
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| 15:21.38 | jelly | my pstree says there's actually no bash parent of pidgin.orig, and that's a #!/bin/bash script, so maybe that tail optimization works |
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| 15:21.57 | greycat | I just tested it with a two-line script, #!/bin/bash and sleep 123 |
| 15:22.29 | greycat | there's a /bin/bash ./foo process, and a sleep 123 process. |
| 15:23.54 | nemo | greycat: I guess one way to make a clean break from the past would be to define a new shell alias for scripting without the default glob expansion that people could opt into? that way globbing could still be used on the commandline? |
| 15:24.12 | nemo | greycat: #!/usr/bin/saferbash ? |
| 15:24.18 | nemo | could opt into various things... |
| 15:24.27 | greycat | If you want a clean break, just write in a different language. Python or Tcl are good choices. |
| 15:24.30 | nemo | heh |
| 15:24.36 | nemo | greycat: well it might require less rewriting |
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| 15:24.44 | nemo | greycat: just change first line of existing scripts |
| 15:24.48 | greycat | ... no. |
| 15:24.48 | nemo | much like use strict in JS |
| 15:24.59 | yokowka | souls, is linux - russian chanel?? |
| 15:25.00 | nemo | er. "use strict" |
| 15:25.05 | greycat | !ru |
| 15:25.05 | dpkg | ÐÑо английÑкоговоÑÑÑий канал, пожалÑйÑÑа, говоÑиÑе по-английÑки или поÑеÑиÑе #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
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| 15:25.42 | jelly | I sincerely hope KDE session didn't automagically figure to autostart /usr/bin/pidgin.orig, because that was what was running the last time I logged in |
| 15:26.10 | greycat | nemo: once you start down the "let's change this one thing about the shell" path, you quickly realize there are a hundred more things that you really want to change, so you might as well just start over. |
| 15:26.38 | greycat | jelly: what's the parent of pidgin.orig? |
| 15:26.44 | nemo | greycat: yeah, I was just thinking that one could opt into a strict mode - that's why they made it easy to add in JS, so you could choose to take on the pain |
| 15:26.47 | nemo | oh well |
| 15:26.49 | jelly | jelly 2869 1 0 Sep21 ? 00:00:00 kdeinit5: Running... |
| 15:27.19 | nemo | !fr |
| 15:27.19 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 15:27.44 | nemo | cool! it's fairly large channel too - guess I'll hang out there. |
| 15:27.59 | jelly | well the magical NSS_SSL_CBC_RANDOM_IV=0 is in pidgin.orig's /proc/.../environ |
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| 15:28.34 | jelly | oherwise I wouldn't be able to connect to very-old-ms-lync-server |
| 15:29.53 | jelly | either kde session saving looks up customized env.vars or this thing really got started via bash wrapper and bash is gone |
| 15:30.33 | greycat | I don't know, jelly. All I can report is that my test kept the bash process. |
| 15:31.05 | jelly | since things work, I'm not inclined to investigate further exactly WHY they work |
| 15:31.21 | greycat | And this makes sense when you understand how bash works. It reads a line at a time until it has a full command, and then it runs that one command. Bash does not KNOW that this is the last command in the script, because once it gets that newline, it just runs it, and doesn't look ahead. |
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| 15:33.19 | jelly | not going to apt-get source bash... NOT going to apt-get source bash |
| 15:33.24 | greycat | Even if I write the script without a final newline, the /bin/bash ./foo process is still there. |
| 15:33.54 | jelly | what if you run it without a controlling tty |
| 15:34.30 | greycat | ./foo </dev/null >/dev/null 2>&1 & disown # same behavior |
| 15:34.51 | greycat | of course that isn't "without a controlling tty", but that's a lot harder to test |
| 15:35.04 | jelly | jelly 27134 2959 0 17:34 ? 00:00:00 /bin/bash /home/jelly/bin/sleepytime |
| 15:35.04 | jelly | jelly 27135 27134 0 17:34 ? 00:00:00 /bin/sleep 120 |
| 15:35.17 | jelly | started from kde's krunner, no dice |
| 15:35.42 | greycat | OK, no surprises so far |
| 15:35.44 | sphalerite | jelly: a script containing only ( sleep 10 ) does manage without a fork though! |
| 15:35.52 | greycat | sphalerite: ... huh? |
| 15:36.13 | sphalerite | don't ask me to explain. I only observe |
| 15:36.16 | sphalerite | xD |
| 15:36.42 | sphalerite | wait |
| 15:37.00 | greycat | sphalerite: a two-line script #!/bin/bash (sleep 10) has the two processes that I expect. |
| 15:37.15 | sphalerite | never mind, I just read strace wrong |
| 15:37.28 | sphalerite | hides in a corner |
| 15:37.32 | greycat | As I told you, bash *does* optimize out the fork-and-exec inside the subshell, since at that point it has enough knowledge to do so. |
| 15:39.36 | sphalerite | yeah but it doesn't optimise out the fork that spawns the subshell |
| 15:39.42 | sphalerite | which I thought at first it was doing |
| 15:40.02 | greycat | The script's process still remains, because it has to read the next command, even though there isn't one. |
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| 16:04.06 | trysten | sphalerite: is your name a dwarf fortress reference or do you just like getting stoned |
| 16:04.48 | greycat | You... do realize that the name of the mineral predates Dwarf Fortress by a few thousand years, right? |
| 16:07.07 | trysten | Well.. My fortress is almost a thousand years old. So some of my dwarves may have coined the term. |
| 16:07.36 | trysten | But yes, thank you greycat. |
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| 16:16.07 | siwica | I want to automatically create debian packages from my git-source upon commits to the master branch. Is there a canonical way on where to store the metadata that goes into the debian directory? I feel like having a debian directory in the root of my upstream git repository is rather ugly... |
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| 16:32.01 | Antares | вапÑо |
| 16:32.13 | Antares | ÐÑем пÑивеÑ! |
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| 16:44.27 | petn-randall | !ru |
| 16:44.28 | dpkg | ÐÑо английÑкоговоÑÑÑий канал, пожалÑйÑÑа, говоÑиÑе по-английÑки или поÑеÑиÑе #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 16:46.01 | greycat | Funny how most of the non-English channels are #debian-XX but German is #debian.de and Russian is #debian-russian. |
| 16:46.39 | petn-randall | Indeed. I'm guessing it's the way it was inherited. |
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| 16:46.52 | sZbcE8qNfG | hello |
| 16:47.03 | sZbcE8qNfG | how do I force a systemd timer to run right now? |
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| 16:47.48 | sphalerite | sZbcE8qNfG: systemctl start <name>.service |
| 16:48.05 | Tachyon` | how much of a risk is using ssh1? I have an old system that only has an ssh1 client, no telnet, no ssh2 |
| 16:48.20 | sZbcE8qNfG | the service is a long running process (file copy taking hours). The timer is setup to run every hour. If I manually start the underlying service.....the timer won't run it again in an hour right? |
| 16:48.22 | greycat | why would that be relevant to #debian? |
| 16:49.03 | Tachyon` | the server is running debian which disables ssh1 by default in sshd |
| 16:49.14 | sphalerite | Tachyon`: "In 1998 Ariel Futoransky and Emiliano Kargieman [1] discovered a design flaw in the SSH1 protocol (protocol 1.5) that could lead an attacker to inject malicious packets into an SSH encrypted stream that would allow execution of arbitrary commands on either client or server." |
| 16:49.22 | Tachyon` | oh good god |
| 16:49.29 | jelly | Tachyon`: it's broken and basically equivalent to plaintext |
| 16:49.45 | jelly | oh sorry, it's worse :-) |
| 16:49.57 | sZbcE8qNfG | what about 128 bit rsa for SSL cert? |
| 16:50.18 | sZbcE8qNfG | everyone recommends 256...but not sure if that really matter |
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| 16:51.40 | jelly | sZbcE8qNfG: wasn't the minimum size for RSA 512 bit |
| 16:52.12 | sZbcE8qNfG | i got no clue |
| 16:52.15 | jelly | I vaguely remember pgp cli not wanting to create a shorter keypair |
| 16:52.35 | sZbcE8qNfG | google is 50/50 |
| 16:52.37 | jelly | has a 768bit hey from that time |
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| 16:52.42 | jelly | key* |
| 16:52.50 | sZbcE8qNfG | half says 128 is enough and anything above is bullshit in terms of SSL |
| 16:52.53 | petn-randall | sZbcE8qNfG: Are you mixing up the assymetric key for key exchange with the symmetric key during transport? |
| 16:53.02 | sZbcE8qNfG | i have no clue |
| 16:53.09 | petn-randall | That's probably the issue. |
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| 16:53.53 | petn-randall | sZbcE8qNfG: If in doubt, keeping don't touch anything crypto related and stick with the defaults, unless you're 100% sure it makes the situation better. I've learnt my lesson. |
| 16:53.55 | sZbcE8qNfG | openssl genrsa -out test.key 2048 |
| 16:54.11 | sZbcE8qNfG | is that 128 or 2048? |
| 16:54.19 | jelly | that's 2048 BITS |
| 16:54.34 | sZbcE8qNfG | then how come when I pull up my site, firefox says it's 128 bit rsa |
| 16:54.49 | jelly | what does firefox say, precisely? |
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| 16:55.40 | jelly | if it's a public site, what does Qualys ssl test say? |
| 16:55.52 | sZbcE8qNfG | it's not public |
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| 16:55.56 | jelly | if it's a private site, what does testssl.sh say? |
| 16:56.13 | sZbcE8qNfG | it says rsa_with_aes_128_gcm_sha256, 128 bit keys, TLS 1.2 |
| 16:56.36 | jelly | that's not all it says |
| 16:57.32 | nemo | sZbcE8qNfG: AES 128 is the symmetric cypher used after the initial setup using asymmetric |
| 16:57.51 | sZbcE8qNfG | so is what I have secure in terms of the SSL? |
| 16:58.13 | sZbcE8qNfG | and petn-randall, what was your lesson you learned? |
| 16:58.30 | nemo | sZbcE8qNfG: yeah, although you might want to use one of mozilla's configs - they have a wizard for generating them |
| 16:58.31 | jelly | sZbcE8qNfG: in particular, what does it say about "Server key size" |
| 16:58.43 | nemo | https://mozilla.github.io/server-side-tls/ssl-config-generator/ |
| 16:59.01 | nemo | sZbcE8qNfG: if you're in firefox you'd think it'd default to AES256 if the server offered it |
| 16:59.21 | sZbcE8qNfG | Size: 256 Bytes / 2048 Bits |
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| 16:59.38 | jelly | that's the thing you generated with genrsa. |
| 16:59.40 | sZbcE8qNfG | ok good it's 2048 then |
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| 17:01.23 | sZbcE8qNfG | managing infrastructure is hard work |
| 17:01.55 | nemo | well I guess you could always let cloudflare's MITM handle the SSL ⺠|
| 17:02.24 | jelly | nemo: there were issues that made AES256 and AES384 for some use cases basically not more secure than AES128, and potentially less secure |
| 17:02.37 | jelly | thnkafully I don't remember the details |
| 17:03.02 | jelly | the lesson is a bigger number is not always better |
| 17:04.27 | nemo | jelly: well, sure. there was a point in time (briefly) when SSLv2 was more secure than TLS |
| 17:04.45 | nemo | despite it having been deprecated at the time |
| 17:05.00 | nemo | 'cause SSLv2 just had a downgrade attack that I could disable client side, while TLS's problem was more severe |
| 17:05.37 | nemo | jelly: but *usually* the bigger number is better ⺠|
| 17:05.52 | jelly | no |
| 17:06.14 | greycat | TLS 1.2 is better than SSL 2 |
| 17:06.17 | nemo | haha |
| 17:06.30 | nemo | greycat: pedant ð |
| 17:06.46 | jelly | usually you can't possibly know unless you've wast^H^H^H^Hspent 10 years learning complex maths |
| 17:06.49 | nemo | fine. for the same algorithm, more bits/bytes is usually better |
| 17:06.55 | jelly | no |
| 17:07.14 | jelly | really, stop saying that, it's not true |
| 17:07.25 | nemo | O_o you disagree with usually? you're making claim that the majority of time that's NOT true?? |
| 17:07.28 | nemo | seriously? |
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| 17:08.15 | jelly | yes. I'm saying you can't tell unless you know how a specific algo works in places you're going to use it |
| 17:08.50 | nemo | example? |
| 17:08.55 | nemo | just, oh, one or two |
| 17:09.02 | nemo | not even asking for "majority of time" which seems to be your claim |
| 17:09.33 | nemo | of an algorithm where smaller key, smaller hash, smaller IV was better |
| 17:09.39 | nemo | smaller prime.. |
| 17:09.49 | nemo | (for encryption ofc) |
| 17:10.14 | jelly | https://www.google.com/search?q=AES384+AES256+weaknesses and focus on results that compare against AES128 and AES192 |
| 17:10.41 | sZbcE8qNfG | i agree with jelly from what I've read |
| 17:10.53 | sZbcE8qNfG | 128 is perfectly safe |
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| 17:11.17 | nemo | jelly: yeah. you mentioned that before, and I wasn't disputing it at all. AES256 was badly designed compared to prior version |
| 17:11.25 | nemo | jelly: and that sort of thing has happened before and probably will again |
| 17:11.30 | nemo | but it wasn't the size that was the problem |
| 17:11.38 | nemo | and. again *usually* ?? |
| 17:11.59 | nemo | and I'm quite curious about how the place you're going to use it would have changed the weakness in that alg |
| 17:12.05 | jelly | and again, a typical user can't tell |
| 17:12.12 | greycat | This is getting rather far off topic. |
| 17:12.45 | nemo | " |
| 17:12.45 | nemo | The apparent paradox of the decrease in academic security when the key size increases highlights the contrived nature of the related-key attack model." |
| 17:12.59 | nemo | https://crypto.stackexchange.com/questions/5118/is-aes-256-weaker-than-192-and-128-bit-versions |
| 17:13.31 | nemo | " |
| 17:13.35 | nemo | eh. enough pasting. but yeah |
| 17:13.43 | nemo | several responses along those lines |
| 17:13.46 | nemo | no it's not weaker etc |
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| 17:20.23 | lovepopsickle | ,v timeshift |
| 17:20.24 | judd | Package: timeshift on amd64 -- jessie-multimedia: 6.700-dmo2; stretch-multimedia: 6.700-dmo2; wheezy-multimedia: 6.700-dmo2 |
| 17:20.45 | lovepopsickle | v18,9.1 is the latest I wonder if they are equivalent? |
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| 17:40.07 | SerajewelKS | is there a mechanism for saving a list of packages installed by an operation? motivation: i want to build a package, but using "apt-get build-dep" results in a bunch of extra dev packages that i want to "markauto" after i'm done building so they can be uninstalled automatically. |
| 17:41.17 | DeathTickle | @SerajewelKS the log files for apt might have what packages are installed. In /var/log/apt/history |
| 17:41.21 | JustASlacker | etckeeper ? |
| 17:41.54 | SerajewelKS | DeathTickle: dpkg.log could also work, i was just hoping to avoid trawling through log files. seems like this is a frequent-enough issue that maybe there would be something builtin to handle it. |
| 17:42.01 | greycat | You could save the global set of installed packages with dpkg --get-selections |
| 17:42.05 | JustASlacker | SerajewelKS: etckeeper |
| 17:42.25 | greycat | But I'm not sure if there's a simple way to REMOVE stuff to get to a previous set of packages, as opposed to adding stuff to get there. |
| 17:42.26 | SerajewelKS | JustASlacker: i have etckeeper, not sure how that would be useful here though |
| 17:42.42 | SerajewelKS | greycat: hmm... i suppose i could do that before and after, then diff them to get the set of new packages |
| 17:42.45 | JustASlacker | it will keep a list of updates |
| 17:42.55 | SerajewelKS | JustASlacker: updates to /etc yes, but that won't help |
| 17:43.10 | JustASlacker | no, I mean it will packages uodate |
| 17:43.12 | brigo | SerajewelKS, they will be marked auto if i am not wring |
| 17:43.17 | brigo | wrong* |
| 17:43.30 | SerajewelKS | brigo: build-dep doesn't mark installed packages auto IIRC |
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| 17:43.50 | SerajewelKS | JustASlacker: now i don't even know what you're saying. the installed list of packages isn't even stored in /etc. |
| 17:43.56 | SerajewelKS | not all packages even touch /etc |
| 17:44.21 | brigo | it would be weird, they are installed automatically so ... |
| 17:44.53 | SerajewelKS | brigo: they aren't installed to satisfy package dependencies though, they're installed because i say "i want to install the build-deps for source package X" |
| 17:44.54 | DeathTickle | I'm having a hard time rerouting my openvpn server logs away from the syslog and to a separate file. I have added an if statement to output the logs in a separate file, this works. I have also added 'stop' on the next line but that doesn't seem to block ovpn from outputting to syslog. |
| 17:45.31 | SerajewelKS | so far i think i like greycat's idea the best. i may be able to script something that does --get-selections before and after, diffs the two, and builds something i can feed to --set-selections to mark the differing packages as auto-installed |
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| 17:46.04 | OnceMe | I have debian stretc, how do I update php from 7.0 to 7.2 with official repo? |
| 17:46.05 | peterrooney | I am up against either bad docs or excess jargon: ##fix_your_connection says, "...and then poke a channel operator. How do I do that? /msg chanserv access #CHANNEL list" |
| 17:46.12 | peterrooney | ... but doing that does not tell me how to message an op on a channel I'm not in. |
| 17:46.15 | greycat | or just remove the list of packages directly |
| 17:47.34 | jelly | SerajewelKS: use mk-build-deps from devscripts |
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| 17:48.27 | SerajewelKS | greycat: well some of them may be needed by the built package, so my usual process is: install build deps, build package, install package, mark build-deps auto, apt-get autoremove --purge |
| 17:48.34 | jelly | and you still can't get rid of a package that got pulled in there, but is also Recommended by something else you already have on the system |
| 17:48.37 | SerajewelKS | then i don't accidentally uninstall something the package needs anyway |
| 17:49.04 | SerajewelKS | jelly: that is a good point. though i doubt the dev packages are recommended by much but other dev packages. |
| 17:49.22 | jelly | *-dev themselves no, but they have deps too |
| 17:49.36 | jelly | like foo-dev may depend foo-bin |
| 17:50.06 | SerajewelKS | right. so i guess if i wanted to be 100% sure then i would have to change my process to more what greycat suggested: install build deps, build package, revert all installs, install package, apt -f install |
| 17:50.23 | jelly | pretty much |
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| 17:50.32 | greycat | Or you could leave the -dev packages installed, because if you needed them once, you're probably going to need them again. |
| 17:51.01 | greycat | Also: |
| 17:51.03 | greycat | !apt install |
| 17:51.03 | dpkg | You can specify a pathname to a manually downloaded .deb file in apt install, but it must begin with / or ./ or ../ or else apt thinks it's a package name. E.g. "apt install ./foo-1.2.deb". This supersedes <gdebi>. |
| 17:51.12 | jelly | at work I actively avoid building on the same system a binary package will be used on |
| 17:51.17 | jelly | at home I'm lazy |
| 17:51.32 | SerajewelKS | jelly: yeah this is for home use too. i tend to use virtual machines for building packages elsewhere. |
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| 17:55.08 | Jacruth | hi! I am trying to run an user cron job. I am using an absolute path (no env variables), and it is not written in a file. As an user, I have the proper permissions to execute it. Would you know what could be happening? |
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| 17:55.15 | Jacruth | This is my example: |
| 17:55.17 | Jacruth | 1 * * * * /usr/bin/python3 /home/codingfree/topesport/topesport_war.py |
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| 17:55.54 | jelly | Jacruth: is there anything else in that user's crontab? |
| 17:56.10 | Jacruth | no |
| 17:56.20 | jelly | what does "it is not written in a file" mean? |
| 17:57.48 | Jacruth | I mean it is not an script, it is not stored in any /etc/cron.*/ |
| 17:58.12 | jelly | Jacruth: if you have cron.log uncommented and enabled in /etc/rsyslog.conf, and do you see the job being run in /var/log/cron.log ? |
| 17:58.31 | jelly | it ought to run once an hour at *:01 minutes |
| 17:59.06 | jelly | that means it last ran 57 minutes ago and will run again in about 3 minutes from now |
| 17:59.15 | jelly | 2 minutes! |
| 17:59.59 | jelly | one minute!!1 |
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| 18:00.15 | greycat | drum roll... |
| 18:01.01 | jelly | thar she blows |
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| 18:02.04 | Jacruth | it works :\ |
| 18:02.09 | jelly | yay! |
| 18:02.43 | jelly | now, if you wanted it, say, to run every minute, you'd probably go * * * * * |
| 18:02.49 | Jacruth | maybe I was too impatient |
| 18:03.15 | jelly | !win Jacruth |
| 18:03.15 | dpkg | Congratulations, Jacruth! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 18:04.47 | DeathTickle | I'm having a hard time rerouting my openvpn server logs away from the syslog and to a separate file. I have added a rsyslog.d file with an if statement to output the logs in a separate file, this works. I have also added 'stop' on the next line but that doesn't seem to block ovpn from outputting to syslog. |
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| 18:07.50 | jelly | DeathTickle: which facility is openvpn using, and does the include from /etc/rsyslog.conf come before or after the undesired destination definition? |
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| 18:10.03 | DeathTickle | manpage for openvpn with âsyslog says "Direct log output to system logger". My file is named 10-openvpn.conf under rsyslog.d and I don't know where is the undesired desitnation definition. I can't find it. |
| 18:10.30 | greycat | DeathTickle: syslog() is a function that programs can call, to send a message to the syslog daemon. |
| 18:10.46 | greycat | DeathTickle: A call to syslog() has 3 arguments: a "facility", a "level", and the message. |
| 18:11.06 | greycat | The rsyslogd configuration lets you specify where to write messages based on the "facility" and "level". |
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| 18:12.32 | DeathTickle | okay I think I got it greycat |
| 18:13.12 | DeathTickle | is there any way I can observe what facility and what level openvpn is using ? |
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| 18:17.01 | greycat | Well, ideally it would be documented in openvpn's docs, or explicitly shown in a config file... other than that, you can observe which syslog file(s) the message ends up in and narrow it down.... |
| 18:17.36 | OnceMe | how do I use this https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/php7.2 I want to upgrade 7.0 to php 7.2 |
| 18:17.53 | greycat | ,v php-fpm |
| 18:17.54 | judd | Package: php-fpm on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49; buster: 1:7.2+62; sid: 1:7.2+62 |
| 18:18.08 | greycat | It's in unstable (sid) and testing (buster). |
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| 18:18.23 | OnceMe | .sid |
| 18:18.27 | OnceMe | sid is stretch? |
| 18:18.30 | greycat | NO! |
| 18:18.34 | OnceMe | jessie? |
| 18:18.41 | greycat | !unstable |
| 18:18.41 | dpkg | Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable . See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
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| 18:19.00 | OnceMe | oh, so no official packet yety |
| 18:19.07 | greycat | As you can EASILY see in judd's output, stretch has version 7.0. |
| 18:19.08 | OnceMe | can I somehow use sid php7.2? |
| 18:19.16 | OnceMe | I need 7.2 |
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| 18:21.10 | jelly | !deb.sury.org |
| 18:21.10 | dpkg | Short instructions for sury's php deb builds can be found at https://packages.sury.org/php/README.txt |
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| 18:21.42 | jelly | OnceMe: ^ is your best bet unless you're willing to switch over to testing branch |
| 18:22.15 | OnceMe | is sury.org trusted repo? |
| 18:22.53 | jelly | that's a debian developer, but the repo is not official in any sense of the word |
| 18:23.27 | jelly | no promises of security patches, no promise it won't break your system |
| 18:23.50 | jelly | you decide whether you trust it |
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| 18:25.07 | jelly | but at least it's built for stretch unlike the packages in debian.org sid branch |
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| 18:26.57 | OnceMe | ok cool |
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| 18:51.18 | BCMM | are unofficial package repositories offtopic here? if not, is skype's repo actually just broken? |
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| 18:55.15 | kirk781 | Can't you just grab Skype' deb and install it? |
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| 19:02.46 | lovepopsickle | BCMM, https://flathub.org/apps/details/com.skype.Client |
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| 19:07.05 | Lyberta | is there a package for debug symbols for gdb? I get segfault inside gdb itself |
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| 19:08.37 | kevr | Lyberta: you need to build your binary and link it with debug symbols. This is a compilation process. you should consult #gcc or something |
| 19:09.11 | kevr | generally, compiling C programs with -O0 -g3 will provide debug symbols, as long as you aren't explicitly removing stack frame symbols |
| 19:09.24 | kevr | (or other variants of non-optimized -g builds) |
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| 20:20.07 | James1138 | question for the group... and I will understand if the answer is "no". Has anyone been able to import m3u playlist into Banshee? I am considering switch from VLC because I am tired of the copy and paste URL each time I want to watch a video. I see Banshee does offer built-in browser for YouTube and other stuff. |
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| 20:38.37 | nemo | James1138: I pretty much just use browser functionality these days, but I thought there was a firefox extension to open in vlc? |
| 20:38.40 | nemo | checks |
| 20:40.01 | nemo | James1138: https://addons.mozilla.org/fr/android/addon/open-in-vlc/ |
| 20:40.06 | nemo | erm |
| 20:40.14 | nemo | James1138: https://addons.mozilla.org/en/android/addon/open-in-vlc/ |
| 20:40.25 | nemo | and the android probably has to be desktop :) |
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| 21:06.26 | kion | Hello I am trying to make a video conference in Firefox with Jitsi meet, once someone joins the call FF crashes with: https://paste.debian.net/1043999/ this error message |
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| 21:19.40 | aloo_shu | kion: the error is in FF, so I'd ask there |
| 21:19.58 | kion | aloo_shu, thanks |
| 21:20.26 | aloo_shu | kion: you could use the info in the err report to find out more about that pipe |
| 21:21.25 | aloo_shu | kion: maybe your security policy/firewall doesn't allow the type of incoming connection, but that's guessing |
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| 21:22.56 | aloo_shu | kion: I'd also look up the plugin's page, maybe it's a common situation, and you find something in the FAQ or troubleshooting instructions |
| 21:24.30 | kion | aloo_shu, where can I see the err report? |
| 21:25.16 | aloo_shu | kion: the one you posted |
| 21:25.43 | kion | aloo_shu, ohh I see... |
| 21:26.43 | aloo_shu | it gives files and lines, if you have a little grasp of programming and unix, this can give you clues |
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| 21:56.07 | Antoine- | Hello, I have a LUKS filesystem. Is it possible to boot without requiring a password? I know I'd be losing the advantage of encrypting my system but I'd like to give my laptop to someone who doesn't want passwords. |
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| 22:00.31 | nyov | No |
| 22:01.30 | somiaj | Antoine-: why use lukes if you don't want a password? Just use lvm instead. |
| 22:01.37 | somiaj | well lvm without lukes. |
| 22:01.52 | somiaj | there are also ways instead of having a password you have a key on a usb drive |
| 22:01.59 | nyov | Antoine-: It's possible to use a keyphrase instead, but you do need to do the unlocking process |
| 22:03.37 | nyov | Actually I never tried this, perhaps you can add an empty passphrase to the luks header |
| 22:04.41 | michael2 | I would probably add a new, trivially easy easy to remember keyphrase to the LUKS/dm-crypt mapper - then remove it when you get the computer back |
| 22:04.46 | somiaj | https://dradisframework.com/support/guides/customization/auto-unlock-luks-encrypted-drive.html -- google gave tha |
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| 22:04.49 | somiaj | t |
| 22:05.31 | nyov | well auto-unlocking is still unlocking. but perhaps that satisfies the requirement |
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| 22:06.51 | somiaj | and as said by the warning in the article, the password is in plain text, so make sure you aren't using one that is used elsewhere |
| 22:07.19 | nyov | this explains something I've been doing for a long time, though I put the key material on a USB stick; between the "mbr" and the first partition |
| 22:07.50 | nyov | so I need the usb stick in to boot, but that's ok |
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| 22:08.07 | nyov | *needed. not doing it annymore |
| 22:08.15 | Antoine- | somiaj: Because I was using the laptop before and I'd rather not format it. I thought it would be easier if I could just deactivate the password prompt then eventually reactivate it if I get the laptop back and want to use it :). |
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| 22:10.56 | nyov | then follow that article, it's rather well detailed I think. by using "luksAddKey", your old key is still valid, and you can "luksRemoveKey" it again later |
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| 22:13.17 | Antoine- | somiaj: Thanks for the link. It looks like that's what I was looking for :). |
| 22:13.28 | Antoine- | nyov: Yep, sounds good! |
| 22:13.30 | Antoine- | Thanks |
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| 22:20.54 | michael2 | anyone know the best way to cancel an aptitude update process? my network connection is poor and it will take a day to download updates... |
| 22:21.24 | bites | update or upgrade? |
| 22:21.36 | michael2 | BTW , this is the TUI interface |
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| 22:22.12 | michael2 | bites: upgrade (dist-upgrade) |
| 22:22.19 | somiaj | michael2: ctrl-c |
| 22:22.28 | somiaj | provided you are just in the download stage, this will not change your system. |
| 22:22.41 | somiaj | if you are at the install/configuration stage, you should'nt do this. |
| 22:23.29 | YesMan | Hey |
| 22:24.23 | YesMan | There was a file called skeleton in /etc/init.d, can't find it in stretch and I'd like to make a daemon off a iptables script |
| 22:24.39 | michael2 | somiaj: ok, thanks. I guess things typically don't stall at the install stage (maybe unless you run out of disk)? so thats ok |
| 22:24.40 | YesMan | could someone link me a template |
| 22:24.58 | somiaj | YesMan: in stretch, you should write a systemd unit file, in which case a skeleton init.d script won't help much |
| 22:25.10 | somiaj | systemd unit files are far easier than scripts, and you can look up templates for these |
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| 22:25.46 | somiaj | michael2: you can often recover from the install stage, but this is not as relable, but if in the download stage, nothing is loss by killing the process with ctrl-c |
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| 22:26.34 | somiaj | YesMan: what do you need a unit file (startup option) for? |
| 22:28.12 | YesMan | I have a script with all my iptables rules, I'd like to execute those at start, with the possibility going back to default rules when I need to |
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| 22:29.29 | michael2 | somiaj: I take it aptitude will remember that I wanted to install/upgrade those packages - and re-attempt those same upgrades the next time I run a 'dist-upgrade' action? |
| 22:29.51 | YesMan | btw I find the debian documentation pretty horrible. You never know for what version of debian the page was written and if it is deprecated or not |
| 22:34.00 | nyov | what documentation? |
| 22:34.20 | nyov | *which |
| 22:35.10 | somiaj | michael2: it will recompute what needs upgraded, but should get the same results (uless either new packages become available or you install/remove stuff in that time) |
| 22:35.26 | somiaj | YesMan: you should probably use the iptables persistance scripts already provided. |
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| 22:36.06 | somiaj | YesMan: look at the iptables-save, iptables-restore, etc type scripts. https://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 22:36.30 | somiaj | the package is called iptables-persistent |
| 22:36.57 | michael2 | yeah, I use that ippatable-persistent |
| 22:37.12 | YesMan | That seems cool, I'll get it now |
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| 22:39.41 | YesMan | lool |
| 22:40.13 | YesMan | That just helped me notice that I did not write any rules for IPV6 and my server is open bar |
| 22:41.05 | YesMan | iptables-persistent has dedicated save function for ipv4 & v6 |
| 22:41.52 | bites | hehe |
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| 22:42.35 | bites | the save script is just a dump script. |
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