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00:01.26velixjohnjay: Yeah, I've got some old autorun scripts on startup, which are sysv ... I don't want to port them :D
00:01.38velixjohnjay: Doesn't Debian has some magic scripts to convert them?
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00:06.08nyovvelix: I think systemd-sysv might handle them
00:06.30velixnyov: okay, I'll create a snapshot and will try it ;D
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00:08.27jaggzwhat was they "why" command to see rdeps?
00:09.43nyov"why"? you mean `apt-cache rdepends` ?
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00:11.04jaggzoh I thought there was an aptitude why foo or something
00:11.26nyovperhaps there is. what are trying to look up?
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00:11.31jaggzrdeps :)
00:11.39jaggzwhy this package is installed (what depends on it)
00:12.02nyovaptitude why
00:12.18nyovas you said yourself %)
00:12.31jaggzah.. lol.  I tried apt why only.
00:12.37jaggz(apt doesn't support it)
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00:14.11nyovapt is relatively new. probably will support it eventually
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02:11.42octethas anyone tried debian+hurd? I am curious how it runs for you
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03:05.51Mr_QueueLots of years ago. I think it's a massive waste of time really.
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03:06.20octetwith all this CoC talk, I was thinking about alternatives in case things go awry
03:06.50Mr_QueueNothing is going to happen.
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03:08.15Mr_QueueKid's today don't remember what it was like on IRC 10 or 15 years ago....
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03:08.27Mr_QueueThey don't remember Usenet, or even know it exists...
03:08.45Mr_QueueThey don't have a clue how all these awesome projects started..
03:08.49octetI know of usenet. that is the thingy you use to downlaod movies with 40 rar files, right?!
03:09.44Mr_QueueBut what they do know is they want their share of the pie.. No matter how they get it.
03:09.52tyzefYo all ! on debian 4.9.0-8-amd64 i try to install VirtualBoX with Synaptic but it doesn't work... any idea ?
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03:10.28Mr_QueueI guess you did it wrong.
03:10.54octettry googling your error and check stackoverflow
03:10.55Mr_QueueTry and do it the correct way.
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03:24.05tyzefMr_Queue you are right, i forgot to had "-t stretch-backports"
03:24.13tyzefthank you guy
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03:49.59Mr_Queuetyzef: New CoC says you should send me BTC so I feel involved.
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03:54.13tyzefMr_Queue I don't get you
03:54.31tyzefCoC, BTC
03:54.35Mr_QueueMe either.
03:54.41tyzefhehe
03:54.56Mr_QueueNaw, I
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03:55.26Mr_Queue'm tossing cheap shots at all this stupid Linux CoC flying around. I'm sick of it.
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04:10.53tyzefyes, cocaine is not good for health
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05:37.48darxmurfs/,prmomg/morning/
05:37.58darxmurfeverything is under control this morning :D
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05:41.40hexhaxtronHelp!!
05:41.57hexhaxtronI'm trying to boot Debian but it says: You are in emergency mode.
05:42.08hexhaxtronI press Ctrl + D but it won't boot... :(
05:44.36darxmurfany other message before that ?
05:44.44darxmurflike something wrong with the disks or other ?
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05:47.48hexhaxtrondarxmurf, it says [ OK ] Mounted /home
05:50.00jellyhexhaxtron: which debian release is this, and can you provide a screenshot
05:50.19jellybefore pressing ^D
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06:22.37mpoIs it possible to put three DVD iso images on a single USB stick?
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06:22.56mpoAnd then install from that stick?
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06:28.15jellympo: not really, no
06:29.00jelly(I mean anything is possible but debian-installer is NOT able to easily find data in .iso images on a filesystem on a partition on an usb stick)
06:29.28mpoThat is what I was asking. Thanks.
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07:14.28darxmurfany difference between: if [[ condition1 ]] || [[ condition2 ]]     and     if [[ condition1 || condition2 ]] ?
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08:22.42m712where can i make a bug report for debian-installer?
08:23.13m712it shouldn't let you create a EFI boot partition on LVM or a crypted partition
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08:23.24m712i burned myself doing that
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08:24.04Foxm712: using reportbug maybe ?
08:25.23m712thanks, i'll try
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08:38.56m712well reportbug went through and i got a copy of the email in my inbox, but no tracking number yet
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09:00.32m712that sad moment when your hard disk is more of a bottleneck than your network in apt install
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09:33.04johnjayis vsftpd the default ftp server in debian?
09:33.15johnjayi didn't know there was such a thing as a default ftp server but wiki says there is
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09:34.27petn-randalljohnjay: Not sure what you mean with "default". There's a dozen to pick from, though IMHO vsftpd is the least worse ftp server.
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09:35.44FinalXwhy still bother with ftp in this day and age? at least use sftp (over ssh)
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09:35.55FinalXwe disabled ftp for all of our customers a few months back as well in favor of sftp
09:36.16FinalXsftp has so many advantages over ftp..
09:36.17petn-randallis guessing web designers.
09:36.33FinalXthen they should update their software
09:36.45FinalXwe have tens of thousands of webhosting customers as well
09:36.59FinalXand hundreds of thousands of customers that upload to their homepage space
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09:37.40FinalXsome were not so happy with the change, but almost all of them just adapted
09:37.42Kelsarsftp is not ftp over ssh, it is a totaly different protocol
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09:38.04Kelsarbut yes, get rid of ftp
09:38.05FinalXi never said it's ftp over ssh, even though it's described like that in many ftp-clients like flashfxp.
09:38.17FinalXhence the "has many advantages over ftp"
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09:39.30FinalXand if you're really still going for ftp, at least make it ftps.. (but really, don't.. use sftp)
09:40.42johnjayFinalX: to answer your question, sometimes android phones and virtualmachines make it more difficult than it needs to be to transfer files to them. then ftp is a useful solution
09:40.59Kelsarjohnjay: no, it is not. Android has oob sftp support
09:41.04FinalX^
09:41.29Kelsaralso FTP is far more complicatednetwork wise to get to those devices. whils sftp only cares for one port, ftp always need multiple
09:41.35johnjaywhen you say oob you mean from the app store?
09:41.45Kelsarandroid itself has sftp support
09:42.04FinalXthings like the popular ES File Explorer also fully support it, and it works faster and more reliable than regular ftp (and most other protocols it supports)
09:42.18BCMMKelsar: "sftp (over ssh)" is pedantic, but technically correct. the sftp protocol, by design, could run on other secure transports
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09:42.29BCMMi don't know if anybody actually does it, though
09:42.31FinalXplus it makes use of your regular openssh daemon so you'd be running a piece of software less, and gains all of its advantages too
09:42.54FinalX(actually spawns sftp-server .. but still, point remains)
09:42.59Kelsaryou can't do every setup with openssh... got some nice setups with proftpd too
09:43.18FinalXsure, but for general use you don't really have to
09:43.23Kelsartrue
09:43.47FinalXand people often seem to confuse sftp with ftps, in my experience.. they're really a completely different thing
09:43.56johnjayFinalX: ah well i don't interact with my phone on that level typically as I can't write and compile apps
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11:21.47moldyafter system updates and a reboot, my resolution is down to 1024x768. any idea? https://dpaste.de/Zwen
11:21.50moldyhi Kelsar :p
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11:24.40moldyxrandr attempt: https://dpaste.de/4gZS
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11:27.30petn-randallmoldy: Does "dmesg | grep -i firmware" return something?
11:28.25moldypetn-randall: https://dpaste.de/chOn
11:28.43moldyseems unrelated
11:29.48moldy`xrandr --output VGA-0 --mode 1920x1200` works
11:29.59moldybut why does it not do that automatically?
11:30.34moldyhttps://dpaste.de/LrcC it seems to correctly detect that this is the monitor's preferred resolution
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11:54.30jellyabrotman: you lost your hat!
11:54.37jellyhere it is
11:54.38ssoollaarriixxhi
11:54.58jellylet me hang it up
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12:13.32ssoollaarriixxhm, my wifi doesnt work on 9.5.0
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12:15.21ssoollaarriixxwhere to paste the error?
12:15.49jelly!paste
12:15.49dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net or https://0bin.net/ | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Cannot cut and paste?  Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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12:17.06ssoollaarriixxhttp://paste.debian.net/1044771/
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12:17.48abrotmanDid you load the firmware package?
12:18.04ssoollaarriixxabrotman: no
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12:18.28ssoollaarriixxabrotman: if you mean during install?
12:18.32abrotmanssoollaarriixx: start with the firmware-iwlwifi package
12:19.17darxmurfyou need the non-free repo for it
12:20.14ssoollaarriixxok thanks, isnt it still apt-get ?
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12:22.49darxmurfyep it is
12:23.04darxmurftry apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi
12:23.26darxmurfif not working, paste your /etc/apt/sources.list
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12:30.12hexhaxtronHi! I got a desktop with Debian and all is working well but after sometime (some hours) I cannot see anything in the screen... When I turn my screen on it says "No Signal" but I can connect to it with SSH and the system is working without a problem. What's wrong with the No Signal thing?
12:31.42abrotmanssoollaarriixx: and your wifi isn't working
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12:50.08ssoollaarriixxon wifi now thanks
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12:52.08ssoollaarriixxI wish to debian my macbook air, I think the high sierre is too large
12:52.21ssoollaarriixxhas anyone tried this?
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12:54.06petn-randallhexhaxtron: Did you check the kernel logs? Did it suspend in between?
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13:00.02karlpinchexhaxtron: Check also the screensaver -- just in case.
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13:37.00Antares_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8BDnIM8E84 Гражданская Оборона - Пошли вы все на ху*
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13:45.28ssoollaarriixxhow to copy iso to usb?
13:45.50greycatIt has to be a specially-crafted "iso" image that can also boot from a USB.  Debian's installer images qualify.
13:46.11ssoollaarriixxit is the mac netinst
13:46.41greycatIf you have a Linux system already, you can simply "dd" or "cp" it to the USB device.  (Not to a partition.  Not to a file system.  To the whole device.)
13:47.23ssoollaarriixxgreycat: does the disk have to umonted?
13:47.30greycatIt has to NOT be mounted.
13:47.44greycatIf it's mounted, that'll screw everything up.
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13:53.56ssoollaarriixxhow would the dd go?
13:54.03greycat!install guide
13:54.03dpkgrumour has it, stretch installation guide is The Installation Guide for Debian 9 "Stretch" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <stretch release notes>.
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13:56.37themillssoollaarriixx: the documentation suggests using cp because that's a much simpler command
13:58.54ssoollaarriixxI see but you do net get any info on the process
13:59.06themillinfo?
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13:59.28greycatI think he wants a progress bar or something.
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13:59.39ssoollaarriixxgreycat: yes
13:59.49ssoollaarriixxI can use iostat?
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14:01.37themillsuch things normally complete so quickly I don't bother with a progress bar; dd can do status=progress these days if you want
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14:02.31greycatI've actually never booted an installer from a USB device.  I still use CDs.
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14:03.01darxmurfhuh
14:03.25darxmurfnetinstall on USB, always
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14:04.15themillstill waiting to see if this new fangled usb thing catches on?
14:04.52greycatWell, I've still got most of a spindle of blank writable CDs, so there's very little incentive for me to go out and try to buy a USB thing that I can use.
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14:05.31greycatProbably the first time I buy a PC and it doesn't come with a CD/DVD drive, will be when I have to switch.
14:05.33darxmurfyou can order it online if you don't want to go out :D
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14:08.01greycatI actually do have one USB thingy here in a drawer at work.  It says "512M" and "Made in China" among other things.
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14:11.47ssoollaarriixxI ended up using: dd if=/home//Hentninger/debian-mac-9.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso | pv | dd of=/dev/sdb
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14:20.21SerajewelKSssoollaarriixx: if you're writing the whole file you don't really even need dd.  pv </home//Hentninger/debian-mac-9.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso >/dev/sdb
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14:27.39themill(first redirection not needed as an added bonus)
14:27.55SerajewelKSah, right.  though pv is smart about that.
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14:28.25SerajewelKSif stdin is backed by a file it will stat() it to get a size, and then also give an ETA
14:28.39SerajewelKSso "pv x" and "pv <x" are basically the same thing
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15:10.10deemandWould it increase the security if I did just a minimal install with a kvm hypervisor and then run the desktop in a virtual machine?
15:10.21greycatno
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15:11.16SerajewelKSit would just give you a hypervisor which is protected from the VM
15:11.28SerajewelKSbut if you're not using the hypervisor for anything else then it doesn't really matter
15:12.28greycatAll of the stuff that you're presumably trying to protect would be in the virtual machine, and would have exactly the same exposure as if it were in a real machine.
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15:13.03deemandI could have a different image for the documents.
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15:15.26deemandMaybe it's better to spin up a container for each app then.
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15:17.51petn-randalldeemand: If you're interested in such a thing, you should have a look at Qubes.
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15:22.44deemandOh, Edward Snowden likes it. I'll check it out. Thanks, petn-randall
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15:24.06petn-randalldeemand: 2nd hand experience from a DD says that it's quite some work to set up, so YMMV.
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15:28.41deemandOh, the nvidia drivers seem to complicate things.
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15:39.31dob1hi, I am trying to setup unison to sync 2 dirs,  I am at the initial setup, it gives me this: props    <-?-> props      /       what does this mean?   considering that the local dir is empty,  and there is any props dir anywhere
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15:41.44dob1got it :)
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15:46.35SerajewelKSdob1: you might also look into syncthing, depending on your needs
15:47.39SerajewelKSthere's less config, as well as auto-discovery of peer node addresses, which may or may not be desirable depending on your use-case
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15:52.52dob1SerajewelKS, I take a look thanks
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15:57.04SerajewelKSdob1: it's most useful when your peers don't maintain fixed addresses, e.g. a laptop that can roam between networks
15:57.23dob1SerajewelKS, I know git annex too that is similar
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15:57.58SerajewelKSdob1: i haven't personally used git-annex so i can't say for sure
15:58.37SerajewelKSmy use case for syncthing is it allows me to sync directories between my home server, my home desktop, my laptop, and my mobile phone regardless of which network they are on
15:59.04SerajewelKSi also use it to maintain shared folders with some friends and family
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17:32.56temp39302Hey, how can I change the version of a package with apt? I'd like to try an earlier version? I have an issue were my X crashes due to bug 908951. Until that bug is fixed, can I try the previous Libinput10?
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17:34.37greycat!snapshot
17:34.37dpkghttp://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free.  This service replaces snapshot.debian.net.  http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412
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17:34.56greycattemp39302: ^ grab the .deb manually from snapshot and install it with dpkg -i, or with apt install ./your.deb
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17:35.09temp39302and will it update me when the package is updated in apt?
17:35.12SerajewelKSnote that downgrading packages is not technically supported, so it may or may not work
17:35.19SerajewelKStemp39302: yes unless you "hold" the package
17:35.25SerajewelKS!hold
17:35.25dpkghold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package.  To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'.  Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771 (fixed in stretch).  See also <hold list>, <unhold>.
17:35.26greycattemp39302: oh, and you may also want to put your version on hold
17:35.31greycatSerajewelKS ninja
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17:35.39diogenes_temp39302, maybe you could try xserver-xorg-input-synapticsand it will work better?
17:35.47SerajewelKSmakes finger guns
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17:36.09martian67hello, how can i determine what is starting a systemd unit file?
17:36.22martian67i have it disabled, i dont want to mask it, im trying to debug something else
17:36.24greycatsystemd is starting it
17:36.30martian67yes, thanks, very helpful
17:36.42temp39302Thanks guys, I'll look into it
17:36.57SerajewelKSdisabled IIRC means it won't be auto-started by itself, but it may be started if another unit depends on it
17:37.05martian67yes, i want to know what is doing that
17:37.15martian67list-depends shows nothing
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17:46.31setuidIs there a way to pass a preseed to a debian install, that _does not_ require that the preseed be available over http to complete successfully?
17:47.18setuidiow, --initrd-inject /tmp/my.preseed fails, unless I _also_ use --extra-args='preseed/url=http://192.168.123.33/my.preseed'
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17:48.28setuidseems that fully automated preseeding, requires that the preseed be actively available over http, otherwise it prompts for each question. I can pass those questions' answers in --extra-args='...', but then I'm basically sticking the entire preseed into extra-args, one item at a time.
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17:56.08raidghostCan i set 2 SSD drives to raid 1 and make both bootable with the boot flag?
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17:56.16raidghostor would that just mess up the system?
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17:56.49setuidThey're raid 1, they're already both bootable.
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18:06.28Iarfenhow I can dual boot with debian when using windows 10? I've installed debian but it doesn't works
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18:06.34IarfenI can't launch it
18:08.05frostschutzraidghost, sure, you want it to boot with either drive missing
18:08.13D|nAdid you issue the command update-grub?
18:08.13raidghostyes
18:08.18raidghostfrostschutz: thats my plan
18:08.19mtnIarfen: do you get the grub menu?
18:08.27Iarfenmtn: no, grub is not being loaded
18:08.44mtnIarfen: then grub is most likely not installed correctly
18:08.51raidghostfrostschutz: So i can replace the drive and still can be missing one drive
18:08.59Iarfenmtn: how I can install it?
18:09.00greycatcould it be a Secure Boot thing?
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18:09.14martian67ah it was a /etc/network/if-up.d/ script
18:09.18IarfenI've to disable Secure Boot using the BIOS?
18:09.26martian67what is the debian safe way to disable an if-up script?
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18:09.40raidghostnot sure if i have to add some UEFI thingy to the boot thingy
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18:09.46raidghosti selected not to force uefi
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18:10.06frostschutzraidghost, so just install grub on both (or at least that was the traditional approach before uefi)
18:11.18raidghostfrostschutz: had some issues on ubuntu with that kind of setup.
18:11.25raidghostBut it might have been just a ubuntu issue
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18:12.04HicksDwith lightdm if you lock your session and log in as a different account you get two xsessions, one on F7 and one on F8. you can also set the F7 session to autologin via lightdm.conf, but is there any way to get the 2nd session automatically started and logged in too ?
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18:17.32frostschutzraidghost, that's when the initramfs sees a degraded raid - and decides to stop. It doesn't make any sense but I guess some users would never notice the raid failure otherwise - no idea. for raid to survive, you need monitoring, regular selftests, mail notification and whatnot
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18:26.21zleapis there a iso for debian with the non free drivers included?
18:26.37greycat!firmware image
18:26.37dpkgUnofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>.
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18:26.55zleapthanks
18:27.44raidghostfrostschutz: raid and lvm = no problem?
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18:33.52zleapi am switching to debian as mint / ubuntu have made a mess of mounting file systems and arduino usb device support
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18:34.10zleapwell the above work on raspbian desktop
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18:34.54petn-randallzleap: Do you know if it'll be different on Debian?
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18:35.30zleapraspbian is based on debian
18:35.37zleapso it should work
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18:36.07zleapwith mint my arduino just appears as a different usb device everytime
18:36.17zleapwhere as rasbiann seems to be consistant
18:36.21greycatsounds like a thing you could configure udev to do
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18:37.04petn-randallzleap: Then again, Mint and Ubuntu are also based on Debian. It's not a guarantee for it to work ;)
18:37.26zleapmaybe they do something to make it work
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18:37.42zleapi have a few netbooks here so will do a test install before i start
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18:44.54raidghostfor lvm to add and remove space, ext3 or ext4 ?
18:45.11SerajewelKSzleap: does it need to show up as the same device every time?  what's the issue you're running into?
18:45.25greycatext3 and ext4 are file system types.  Those have nothing to do with LVM at all.
18:45.38SerajewelKSzleap: for filesystems, you can usually target a UUID instead of a /dev node
18:45.59raidghostgreycat: i ment to hear that there was a filesystem that could ADD more space but not reverse
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18:46.32SerajewelKSraidghost: ext2+ support online growing, i don't have experience with others to know if they also support it
18:46.37greycatYou're asking for a file system type that can be shrunk?  Um, good luck.
18:46.50greycatGrowing, no problem.
18:46.52SerajewelKSno linux-supported filesystem I know of supports online shrinking; the volume has to be unmounted first
18:47.34SerajewelKSif you can make the changes offline (with the volume unmounted), ext2+ support offline shrinking
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18:54.04juddPackage: syncthing on amd64 -- stretch: 0.14.18+dfsg1-2+b1; stretch-backports: 0.14.37+ds1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 0.14.49+ds1-3; sid: 0.14.50+ds1-1
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18:55.17petn-randallIIRC ext4 support offline shrinking, and XFS does not supoort shrinking at all.
18:55.51zleapwith the arduino if the device name is the same each time (which it is under raspbian) it makes it much easier to write a python script to read serial
18:56.25zleapi can then use the arduino to measure temperature , send to serial (serial.print) and read from a netbook
18:56.50zleapi don't understand udev
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18:58.21zleapbut even the micro:but just works under raspbian
18:58.46zleapso i am hoping itjust works under debian in the same way,
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19:03.11raidghostfrostschutz: you said it would not be a problem to add grub to mdraid 1
19:03.16raidghostThe installer says something else
19:03.26raidghostCount not install grub on /dev/mapper
19:03.51raidghostcould
19:03.59raidghostcould not install grub on /dev/mapper
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19:05.48zleapthanks for the help i need to switch to other pc to download the iso,  chat later
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19:09.36will_havenThe following packages will be upgraded:
19:09.36will_haven<PROTECTED>
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19:10.07will_havenany reason why sid wants to change my hostname?
19:10.20greycatread the changelog
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19:13.29dkaIn /etc/resolv.conf I have `search example.vn` on first line.  Does that mean that if I have an host in my network name foobar and I have in /etc/hosts a mapping to foobar. Should I be able to access foobar.example.vn ?
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19:14.19jhutchins_wkdka: TIAS
19:14.31dkawhat is TIAS?
19:14.49SerajewelKStry it and see
19:15.58will_havennothing in the changelog regarding hostname recently
19:16.12greycatThe changelog of the PACKAGE that is being updated.
19:16.20greycatA sid user should know how to do these things.
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19:16.49will_havenbloody hell we have a live one here
19:16.59greycat*plonk*
19:17.14dkajhutchins_wk, seems not too.
19:19.39mrslaughter1775So I got a live usb with non-free working on my Dell Inspiron 7559 (mostly). One thing I'm having problems with is my system freezing at seemingly random times, and waiting for it to respond yeilds nothing. I have to hard restart when it happens. Any ideas?
19:19.56jhutchins_wkdka: There are rules for what triggers applying the domain to a search, how many dots need to be in a hostname, etc.  Check the man page.
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19:20.24jhutchins_wkmrslaughter1775: Could be any number of things.
19:21.28diogenes_mrslaughter1775, run: inxi -F | nc termbin.com 9999
19:21.38diogenes_share the link here
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19:31.48mrslaughter1775diogenes_, I'll attempt it now. Give me a couple minutes while I restart.
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19:42.11mrslaughter1775diogenes_, Output is bash: inxi: inxi not found and bash: nc: nc not found
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19:42.41mrslaughter1775Ran from debian's default Terminal found in Utilities
19:43.02diogenes_mrslaughter1775, ok just run: inxi -F and pastebin the output
19:43.05diogenes_!pastebin
19:43.05dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net or https://0bin.net/ | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Cannot cut and paste?  Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
19:43.10mrslaughter1775Roger
19:43.38greycatIf he doesn't have nc, either he's not running Debian, or he has seriously broken his install.  nc is in a package marked "important".
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19:44.25greycatinxi is "extra" so is rather less likely to be present
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19:44.47greycatAlso I'm going with the odds that it's "mr slaughter" and not "mrs laughter".
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19:45.14diogenes_greycat, lol, Sherlock Holmes :)
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19:47.41mrslaughter1775diogenes_, https://pastebin.com/vY2Hybyz
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19:48.08greycatspoiler alert: it says: bash: inxi: command not found
19:48.46diogenes_mrslaughter1775, first run: sudo apt install inxi
19:48.47mrslaughter1775I figured it would since I couldn't use it the first time around, or the nc that was piped to it
19:48.56mrslaughter1775Roger. Brb.
19:49.07greycatYeah, I'm not surprised by the second result.  But I'm still very surprised by the missing nc result.
19:49.23greycat... what the hell is he doing.
19:49.28diogenes_greycat, soon we gonna find out everything :)
19:49.33greycatrebooting into windows every time he wants to chat?>
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19:50.37greycatscrolls back ... hmm ... this is a "live", he says, so god knows what it actually is. Or why there's no netcat.
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19:51.34diogenes_any ideas on that Mr. Sherclock? i think it's maybe some sort of debian-based
19:52.59greycatwe could point him to https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/Inspiron7559/stretch
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19:54.57mrslaughter1775diogenes_, https://pastebin.com/GQrnJm78
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19:55.36diogenes_what about that one Mr. Sherlock?
19:55.55greycatmrslaughter1775: this would be significantly easier for everyone if you would chat from Debian instead of rebooting back into Windows(?) every time you want to report results to us.
19:56.08mrslaughter1775How?
19:56.10mrslaughter1775Wait...
19:56.15mrslaughter1775I can use webchat.freenode
19:56.20mrslaughter1775My apologies.
19:56.25greycatmrslaughter1775: What are you actually running (it doesn't seem to be regular Debian), and why didn't you try the installation advice on https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/Inspiron7559/stretch to do a regular install?
19:56.58diogenes_mrslaughter1775, write on a paper the following commands: 1. sudo apt update 2. sudo apt install inxi 3. inxi -F pastebin or use what greycat suggested
19:57.08diogenes_so you got a whole bunch of options
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19:58.09raidghostI thought it was possible to have two /boot partitions 1 on each ssd direct on drive
19:58.12mrslaughter1775greycat, I did try that wiki. Nobody ever said that I didn't. The problem is that I needed Wi-Fi out of the gate, so I used another iso that includes firmware so I can utilize Wi-Fi. I'm deployed overseas and I really don't want to make Debian my main OS on this laptop until I know for sure that it will work.
19:58.25raidghostBut neeh. The isntaller complains about been two /boot . it doesnt like it and i have to fix it.
19:58.39mrslaughter1775That is my problem. I'm overseas without my Win10 usb to reinstall and I'm connected to garbage barracks Wi-Fi.
19:59.09diogenes_mrslaughter1775, are you in Afghanistan or Syria?
19:59.17mrslaughter1775Neither
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20:01.14mrslaughter1775I'll jump back to the usb and attempt to do what was suggested. Just nervous that it will freeze up on me in the middle of performing those actions and trying to chat online (which is why I was jumping back and forth).
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20:04.28frostschutzraidghost, just select /dev/sda and /dev/sdb as grub install targets. /boot is fine as raid1 - with 0.90 or 1.0 metadata (perhaps 1.2 will just work nowadays, not sure). If the installer doesn't do that, you can do a regular single /boot and then migrate it to raid1 from the running system
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20:05.02frostschutzraidghost, like this https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SoftwareRaidRoot  (they silently ignore the /boot on raid issue, if I haven't missed anything)
20:05.55mrslaughter1775Alright, I'm on my live usb
20:06.01mrslaughter1775Running commands now
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20:08.20mrslaughter1775Here is my output: https://pastebin.com/khWJbKEs
20:08.58mrslaughter1775I apologize for my ignorance. I didn't know that I needed to update apt on a fresh install. I'm trying to learn Linux by diving into the deep end.
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20:13.12mrslaughter1775diogenes_: Well surprisingly I'm not having any stalling issues, at least not yet...I think when I last tried I forgot to append 'nouveau.modeset=0' to the linux line of grub (I think its the grub menu?)
20:13.55diogenes_mrslaughter1775, yeah then it should be fine till you get back home
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20:16.12mrslaughter1775diogenes_: Thank you for your help. Now I just need to test if I can get Steam and a few other programs working. If so, I'd feel comfortable getting rid of Win10 completely and jumping head first into Stretch.
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20:17.23diogenes_mrslaughter1775, you're welcome, there should be good tutorials on steam also you can ask in /j #steam channel
20:17.54greycatI'd probably keep a minimal win10 partition on it forever, just in case.
20:18.10mrslaughter1775I was inspired to hop into a Unix based OS after reading a 60 page essay entitled "In The Beginning There Was Command Line".
20:19.35greycatYeah, that's a bit outdated now (BeOS is gone) but it's still a good read.
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20:20.05mrslaughter1775greycat: Dualbooting seems quite tedious but I've only quickly glanced over a few tutorials. I know it involved reinstalling Win10 on a specially formatted HDD (GTP or something?) and then installing Linux, but since I don't have my Win10 usb and my Wi-Fi is so bad out here, idk if I could do that.
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20:23.09Nach0zyou don't need GPT for dualbooting
20:23.22Nach0zunless you plan on having a huge HDD, huge partitions, or a crapton of partitions
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20:25.57greycatI'd be slightly surprised if his pre-installed Win10 laptop isn't *already* using a gpt disklabel.  But then again, Windows is full of surprises.
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20:26.52Nach0zgreycat: iirc GPT isn't available for home and OEM versions of windows? but I could be wrong
20:27.01greycatjesus... really?
20:27.05Nach0zyeah
20:27.17Nach0zI mean GPT was meant to cover enterprise-level limitations in MBR
20:27.24Nach0zlike, max disk and partition size and count
20:27.34greycatIsn't gpt also mandatory for UEFI booting?
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20:27.53greycatIs windows 10 "home" still doing legacy BIOS booting>?
20:28.06Nach0zwhat, secureboot? not a clue actually. you might be right, and to be fair the last time I dealt with any of this was on a win7 machine
20:28.21Nach0zso gpt could be available for home editions of 10 now and I just haven't read about it
20:28.21greycatI know almost nothing about Secure Boot.
20:28.42Nach0zanyways, the point I was trying to make was more that dualboot is trivial, and most linux installer images will have the ability to set it up by default
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20:32.24mrslaughter1775Well, so far everything seems to be working just fine. Steam is 50% complete and I haven't run into any (serious) errors?
20:33.31greycatNach0z: stuff I'm reading says GPT is supported for booting if you're using a 64-bit version of Windows, and UEFI (not Legacy) to boot.  Any other combo and it won't work.
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20:35.25Nach0zinteresting
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20:48.57mrslaughter1775You know, I expected Linux to kill me like it did 3 years ago, but Debian doesn't seem too bad so far. Then again, I was experimenting with Arch back then...
20:49.13greycat:-o
20:49.34mrslaughter1775I bricked my laptop at least 10 times messing with it.
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20:51.07petn-randallNach0z: Windows 10 Home works completely fine and installs on GPT.
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20:51.59petn-randallgreycat: GPT and UEFI are independent, they just happen to be pushed for adoption are the same time. You can have UEFI/GPT, BIOS/GPT, UEFI/MSDOS and BIOS/MDOS. :)
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20:53.55njsgIs there any know incompatibility between Smart Boot Manager and debian install DVDs?
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20:55.14bitestrying to put the debian installer on a multiboot usb drive?
20:56.28njsgThat is, any reason why booting a debian install DVD through Smart Boot Manager would fail?
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21:07.33mihinjsg, you are trying this on a machine that cannot natively boot from CD/DVD?
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21:11.09mihinjsg, tried it right now, and seems that indeed SBM has trouble booting? It first shows the menu to choose which ELTORITO boot image to boot, but both fail
21:11.33mihito be honest, I never tried any "isohybrid" images with SBM so fare
21:11.39mihi*so far
21:11.42njsgmihi: out of curiosity, is your image menu corrupted or are the image "names" displayed normally?
21:11.55mihithe names look funky, yes
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21:12.14njsgOK, I get that too. So at least it shouldn't be a BIOS/hardware issue...
21:12.19mihibut I cannot remember any images where the names looked correct. Probably it tries to find an ISO9660 entry for them but there is none
21:12.36njsgThe same happens with gparted live CD/DVDs, apparently.
21:12.57mihiI assume it happens with all "isohybrid" images (at least those with EFI support)
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21:15.22mihifor the record, PloP boot manager works
21:15.30mihi(not libre software though)
21:15.40njsgWhat is PloP?
21:16.13njsgWell, it'd be useful if I could find something like Smart Boot Manager that could boot from a floppy and then boot el torito CDs/DVDs
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21:16.25mihihttps://www.plop.at/en/bootmanagers.html -> can boot USB and CDROM on devices that cannot boot it natively
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21:17.35mihi(there is a free as in beer version of it, although not open source. But works much better than SBM in my experience, and more features too)
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21:19.44njsgDoes Debian have any official floppy image to bootstrap the install CD/DVD?
21:21.45mrslaughter1775njsg: I'm EXTREMELY new to Linux, but I believe I read on debian's page that they do not support any floppy images of Strech. Take that with a grain of salt, but I'm 99% sure that I read it somewhere on their website when looking for isos to use myself yesterday.
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21:21.58Brigo_njsg, floppy? really?
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21:22.37mihiThere used to be a floppy image (2 floppies IIRC) for Debian up to Etch (but no longer) -> https://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/apas02.html.en#howto-getting-images-floppy
21:23.09Brigoi think the debian kernel doesn't even fit in a floppy.
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21:23.53mihithat is not a limitation :) there used to be 7-floppy sets for (older) Ubuntu that used a modified GRUB (legacy) to load the kernel in parts :)
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21:24.27mihibut honestly, today you would usually find easier ways (network boot? PloP? Copy installer to hard disk first?)
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21:25.21njsgI guess the right solution would be hacking Smart Boot Manager so that it doesn't choke on isohybrid
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21:26.02mihiyeah, or remaster the installer ISO to not use isohybrid (or even UEFI)
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21:29.19mihianother option might be grub2's nativedisk support. Works probably on old hardware with plain old IDE/ATAPI cdrom, but probably not on anything newer (where probably it could boot from CDROM on the other hand)
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21:29.57mihiso load grub, run nativedisk and chainload loopback.cfg (oops, there is an open issue FOR YEARS that the installer ISO does not contain loopback.cfg...)
21:30.31mihinot sure if latest GRUB2 fits on a floppy, though (with all modules)
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21:32.15SerajewelKSmy /boot/grub is ~7MB, so i'm gonna go with no
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21:33.39SerajewelKSthe kernel is 4MB but that's not even the big issue.  my initrd is 20MB and i don't have that much special stuff.
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21:39.42mihifor comparison: mini.iso in etch (http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/) had 5.7MB, and for stretch it has a whopping 36MB...
21:40.00AlexPortableWhat would be the best way to let a server poll another (external) server to see if services are running?
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21:41.36SerajewelKSAlexPortable: "best" is subjective, but i guess it would depend on several factors
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21:41.50SerajewelKSe.g. if the services expose a TCP port then you could try connecting to it
21:41.56AlexPortablefirewalled
21:42.38SerajewelKSthen you could allow the other machine to ssh to it and run some commands to interrogate the service ("systemctl status servicename" for example)
21:42.41AlexPortablemy best bet: script that checks if service is up, writes it to API. other server contacts api ?
21:43.01SerajewelKSor you could e.g. write a custom REST service that will do the interrogation and provide the result as either JSON or just using HTTP codes
21:43.28SerajewelKSGET /service/mysql --> 204 if running, 404 if not running
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21:43.59SerajewelKSi'm not sure any one is better than another
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21:44.08AlexPortablehow can this prevent random people from querying ?
21:44.29SerajewelKSyou'd have to restrict access based on something.  source IP, HTTP authentication, etc.
21:44.59SerajewelKSHTTP basic authentication is secure if performed over HTTPS
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21:52.55VanfanelHi! I am following the instructions here to try and build an aarch64 rootfs on an x86_64 host: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/arm64/apds03.html.en#idm3828
21:53.43VanfanelHowever, when I try to do the '/debootstrap/debootstrap --second-stage' step, it seems I am missing the debootstrap/debootstrap executable inside the hosted aarch64 system
21:54.14VanfanelI am trying to run debootstrap/debootstrap while I am chrooted into my aarch64 filesystem
21:54.20Vanfanelwhay am I missing??
21:54.23Vanfanel*what
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22:00.29njsggrub1 does fit in a floppy, I wonder if it can boot CDs. I guess handling the CD like another hard drive would be enough? But I have no idea how far can grub go.
22:00.30bitesVanfanel: that copy of debootstrap comes from --foreign  see debootstrap man page.
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22:01.18njsgbut thanks for the chat, worst case I should now at least have the name of a bootloader which probably works better
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22:19.42Gigglebyte<PROTECTED>
22:22.31moldyGigglebyte: if you are sure no process is using the database anymore, look for the lockfile and delete it
22:22.59moldyGigglebyte: maybe something like `find ~ -name dlume.lock`
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22:23.12moldyGigglebyte: take a backup of the database, just to be sure
22:23.39Gigglebytemoldy>  I can't open the database so how would I back it up?  There isn't much in there.
22:24.40Vanfanelbites: What's the right command to transfer the ARM64 rootfs from the X86 host to an SD meant to run on the target machine? rsync maybe?
22:25.25GigglebyteIt worked.  Hoorah, and I am back in.
22:25.50GigglebyteI deleted the lock file, but now wondering how this problem occurred in the first place?
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22:27.31annadanehmm would the python 2.7 security update require a restart?
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22:30.24format_cGigglebyte, probably the application wasn't shut down properly before so that it had no chance to delete the lockfile.
22:30.41Aebiancan someone explain mv to me? The manpage seems not to cover my point. So if I want to move something, example: I'm in my home dir /home/aebian and now do a mv /mnt/somedisk/folder1/folder2/folder3/file.txt and now want to move it just one folder down to like folder 4. Do I have to write the whole path again? I know I can do copy-pasta but is that the only way?
22:31.14Gigglebyteformat_c>  It has locked up again, and I have no idea why.
22:31.27annadanei guess it's just the microcode and kernel
22:32.13format_cAebian, yes. you can specify the path relative to your location or absolute. Both the source and the target. It's just logic.
22:32.21at0mAebian: if you want to avoid typing again, cd /mnt/somedisk/folder1/folder2/folder3; mv file.txt ../; cd -
22:32.39format_cGigglebyte, so application quit but lockfile stayed there again?
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22:33.29hypn0Gigglebyte: use htop?
22:33.32Gigglebyteformat_c> Earlier within the hour I deleted the lock file and the application started working again, but the lock file has come back.
22:33.40GigglebyteWhat is htop?
22:34.15hypn0to see if something else is using database?
22:34.41hypn0look at processes, in tree?
22:34.59format_cGigglebyte, can you open the application using a terminal. When it quit's do "echo $?"
22:35.32Aebianso I guess the normal move does not allow me to do that ok. I was thinking of having a variable or something that takes the source path and applies that as target like mv /mnt/somedisk/folder1/folder2/folder3/file.txt $source_path/folder4 but seems that I need to do the approach with cd then
22:35.48Gigglebyteformat-c>  No, I get the same error.  I have installed htop, and trying to find something relevant.
22:36.11format_cWhat is the output of echo $?
22:36.46format_cAebian, you can of course before manually define the $source_path variable and then reuse it in the mv command
22:37.02format_cbut mv does no magic like that implicitely
22:37.30Aebianwell the variable shouldn't be static so the change dir approach is easier then
22:38.00n4dirAebian: bash has some wild variables, for example !$ is the last argument of the last command (so if you did mv /some/long/path; the next command "cd !$" will cd to /some/long/path). - Side note
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22:38.44n4diryou will probably find those "wild" variables listed at mywiki.wooledge.org.
22:38.45AebianI know
22:38.51n4dirdamnit. :-)
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22:39.16Gigglebyteformat_c>  The output of echo $? is 1
22:39.24Aebianbut they don't worjk directly in a move command :p And I didn't do a ll or cd before running the mv command :D
22:39.37Aebianbut thanks anyway
22:39.44format_cAebian, set a alias for mv calling a  wrapper script  that does setting the variable or whatever you're thinking of
22:39.52n4diryes, here it won't help much, at least not easily ...
22:40.11GigglebyteI will be back in about 2 minutes.
22:40.23format_cGigglebyte, that says you that your application didn't exit normally. Otherwise the value would be 0
22:40.42AebianI will think about it. But gtg, thanks for the help
22:40.56Gigglebyteformat_c>  so what is causing the application not to exit?  It exited fine prior to this afternoon.
22:41.25format_cI donno how well documented are the exit-codes for your application. But it confirms that your application doesn't properly shut down and hence doesn't remove the lockfile properly as well.
22:41.31GigglebyteMaybe dlume needs to be updated?
22:41.43format_cIt's worth a try
22:42.28GigglebyteThere needs to be more address books for Debian stable.
22:42.54format_cYou can also file a bugreport
22:42.55GigglebyteI don't think dlume is that well supported.  Two of the 3 developers email addresses are bouncing.
22:43.03format_cbut first Google.
22:43.12format_cif someone else has the same problem
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22:44.15format_cWhy you're not using the built-in address book from thunderbird?
22:44.34format_cIt can even sync with google & Co.
22:44.39format_cwith extensions
22:45.16format_cMaybe that's the reason why it's not quite well supported apparently.
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22:47.28Gigglebyteformat_c>  in the past the address book on Thunderbird was supper buggy and had a tendency to lockup.  Not sure if things changed much since the last time I used it.  Ideally the best fix would be a stand alone address book.
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22:51.52format_cI don't know your requirements. I've no issues with it.
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23:09.47rivynWhy does `apt upgrade` show packages that will be upgraded that `apt -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confold -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confdef upgrade` does not?
23:10.02rivynAs far as I can understand, those options should not prevent some packages from being upgraded.
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23:13.43mrslaughter1775Well I did it! I installed Debian over Windows 10 and it is working well so far!
23:14.41mrslaughter1775But I'm going through a list of things to doafter installing Stretch, and I'm trying to login as root to configure Sudo, but the password for root that I chose is not working for some reason. Is this a bug?
23:15.06mrslaughter1775I used the exact same password for my regular user, and it works just fine when logging in.
23:15.21rivynWhere are you trying to log in?  A graphical interface?
23:15.34rivynTry `su -` in a terminal
23:15.34mrslaughter1775Correct
23:15.37rgrtry su form your user account
23:15.40rgrfrom
23:15.41rivynroot logins are probably disallowed in that context
23:16.12rgrlogging in any GUI as root tends to be a bad idea.
23:16.12mrslaughter1775rivyn: That worked, thank you.
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23:16.59mrslaughter1775What is a subuser? The regular user I added on install, correct?
23:17.11rgrcontext.
23:17.15rgrno.
23:17.24mrslaughter1775rgr: Now add your subuser to sudo users and use that user from now on.
23:17.51rgradd your user to group sudo
23:18.06n4diror just stick to using su.
23:18.14rgrno dont stick to using su
23:18.20rgrthats incredibaly bad advice for a noobv
23:18.32n4dirbullshit.
23:18.42rgrwhatever. You're obviously a hero.
23:19.26rgruse sudo to run a priviliged command. if you "su" you are root in a shell and can wipe your system with one typo.
23:19.54rgrsudo isn't risk free but it reduces risk 1000 fold.
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23:20.42rgr"Since you must usually invoke sudo each time you want to do something that requires privileges, the reasoning is that you will "think before you leap", i.e. not just stick sudo in front of something without thinking for a second what the command you're running is going to do."
23:20.52rgrhttps://askubuntu.com/questions/135428/what-are-the-benefits-of-sudo-over-su
23:20.55n4diri would wanna hear the complete explanation for that.
23:21.04n4dirha ha ha. ubunutu. ok. eof.
23:21.09rgrfor want of a better link.
23:21.53rgrn4dir: you're wrong and giving wrong advice. The fact you focus on the "ubuntu" part of a generic explanation suggests you have a bias.
23:22.04rivynI work with plenty of "professionals" who ALWAYS habitually put sudo in front of every command whether it's needed or not.
23:22.11rivynSo that reasoning isn't necessarily correct.
23:22.11rgrsudo is there for a reason. keeping su shells open is asking for trouble expecially for a noob.
23:22.40rgrno it isn't necessarily. Nothing is 100%. But an open su shell IS asking for trouble. I wont argue anymore. Its well discussed.
23:23.00rivynI always use `sudo su -` when I need root access, and then work as root.
23:23.08rivynsudo'ing everything is a constant pain
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23:23.36rivyneither way you need to be cognizant of what commands you are executing as root
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23:23.57n4dirfor example an according command prompt.
23:25.02nyovyes, with red flickering background and flying nyan cats :D
23:25.16rivyn# works good.
23:25.17n4dirlol. sounds doog.
23:25.19nyovtbh, I prefer su as well
23:28.27mrslaughter1775rgr: I used 'sudo usermod -aG sudo travis' and it said 'travis is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.' lol
23:28.34mrslaughter1775I thought I was adding myself!
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23:31.40mrslaughter1775Nevermind, I figured it out. Had to run as su.
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23:37.26comatekeke2Where do the reporting go to?
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23:39.34annadaneroot mail i believe
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23:40.22annadanethen again... https://xkcd.com/838/
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23:59.58GigglebyteIt looks like System76 uploaded a bunch of broken packages to the Debian server and I am wondering who is the gatekeeper for this?  The driver they uploaded requires a python package that is only in testing and unstable.  It shouldn't even be in Debian stable.  Much of the problem has to do with the fact that System76 has very limited in house technical support for this.  Their developer doesn't want to use Python 3.5 and insists
23:59.58Gigglebyteon using 3.6 which doesn't work with Debian stable.  Similarly I haven't been able to get the maintainer of the Python 3.6 package to work on getting Python 3.6 to work in Debian, and he referred me to the bugs report.  I couldn't figure out how to file the bug, and he suggested contacting the mailing list, which I haven't gotten around to doing.

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