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| 00:02.12 | bites | Gigglebyte: which package exactly? |
| 00:03.20 | Gigglebyte | bites> system76-driver |
| 00:03.53 | bites | ,i system76-driver |
| 00:03.54 | judd | No package named 'system76-driver' was found in stretch/amd64. |
| 00:04.02 | bites | Gigglebyte: no such package in the debian repos. |
| 00:04.15 | Gigglebyte | You can't install the nvidia drivers unless then system76-driver is installed. However, I think it is good that at least they are reaching out to Debian, and I have tried to encourage them to participate more with development since Debian is virtually ubiquitous distro in the linux world. |
| 00:06.09 | nyov | Gigglebyte: you are referring to the system76 ppa, I believe, which is no part of Debian |
| 00:06.41 | somiaj | !based on debian |
| 00:06.42 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 00:06.52 | somiaj | almost sounds like you are using some based on debian repos/distro. Which is not debian. |
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| 00:07.38 | somiaj | Gigglebyte: and you can install the nvidia drivers just fine from the debian non-free repo. No third party stuff required. |
| 00:07.41 | Gigglebyte | nyov> the package name is system76-driver I can't tell you any more than that, but assume System76 uploaded it without testing it. It is broken and has dependency issues. So I am wondering how it ended up in the repos for Debian stable? |
| 00:08.08 | bites | Gigglebyte: it did not end up in the repos for debian stable. |
| 00:08.21 | bites | Gigglebyte: there is no such package in debian stable. |
| 00:08.32 | Gigglebyte | nvidia drivers won't install without the System76-driver and the System76-driver requires python 3.6 which is not compatible with Debian stable. |
| 00:08.51 | bites | Gigglebyte: apt-cache policy system76-driver and you will see where it's from. |
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| 00:09.05 | Gigglebyte | bites> I did apt-cache search system76 and it is there. |
| 00:09.12 | Gigglebyte | I am running Debian stable. |
| 00:09.17 | nyov | -.- |
| 00:09.35 | somiaj | the nvidia drivers in debian do not system76-driver. Where are you getting your nvidia drivers from? What distro are you actually running (is it debian + third party stuff, or some based on debian distro) |
| 00:09.37 | bites | Gigglebyte: obviously with foreign sources. i gave you a command to check. |
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| 00:09.44 | Gigglebyte | I then ran sudo apt-get upgrade system76 and got a bunch of broken package messages. |
| 00:09.48 | somiaj | Gigglebyte: you are not running pure debian stable if you have packages that are not in debian stable installed. |
| 00:09.59 | somiaj | Gigglebyte: put the output of apt policy system76 at paste.debian.net |
| 00:10.15 | Gigglebyte | somiaj> I am running pure Debian stable. The apt-cache search is for the Debian stable repos. |
| 00:10.42 | somiaj | Gigglebyte: you are not if you have system76 installed. Can you give us the output of apt policy system76 |
| 00:10.50 | bites | Gigglebyte: that's incorrect. |
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| 00:11.36 | somiaj | while you are at it, sharing the output of 'apt cache policy' will also be helpful |
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| 00:13.24 | Gigglebyte | somiaj> I do not have system76 installed. I was only referring to the packages existence in the Debian repos. |
| 00:13.43 | Gigglebyte | I would like to install system76-driver but it is not compatible with Debian stable. |
| 00:13.51 | bites | you might want to start listening to what people in here are telling you. |
| 00:13.58 | somiaj | ,v system76-driver |
| 00:13.59 | judd | No package named 'system76-driver' was found in amd64. |
| 00:14.15 | nyov | It is not so long ago that we have been through this; at the time you asked for a python3.6 backport IIRC |
| 00:14.15 | somiaj | that packagea is not part of debian. I don't know what it is, but if you have it installed, you are not running pure debian. |
| 00:14.48 | Gigglebyte | Here is the results from apt-cache policy system76-driver http://paste.debian.net/1044927/ |
| 00:14.52 | somiaj | and personally I don't see why you would need such driver |
| 00:15.20 | somiaj | don't expect random software from ubuntu ppa's to work in Debian. They can break your system. |
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| 05:53.40 | mrslaughter1775_ | likcoras: Thank you :3 |
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| 06:02.08 | mrslaughter1775 | What does the -y flag mean when installing a software package? |
| 06:02.39 | mrslaughter1775 | (I literally put Debian on my main laptop within the past 12 hours, bear with me please :P ) |
| 06:02.52 | diogenes_ | mrslaughter1775, it will install the package withour asking you where you press Yes or No |
| 06:03.03 | diogenes_ | but rather automatically |
| 06:04.32 | mrslaughter1775 | diogenes_: That makes sense. I should have realized that. |
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| 06:05.28 | diogenes_ | mrslaughter1775, with your enthusiasm, soon you will become a power linux user, i kinda see that :) |
| 06:05.33 | mrslaughter1775 | This is a serious question, and I do NOT mean to start a flame war. As someone new to Linux, would Vim be the best route to go, or emacs? |
| 06:06.14 | mrslaughter1775 | diogenes_: I'm not 100% sure what that means besides being a bad mamajama lol. I'll take it though! :D |
| 06:06.14 | diogenes_ | mrslaughter1775, it's a matter of personal preference, i personally like vim and nano |
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| 06:07.39 | themill | (note that -y only stops apt asking questions, not dpkg, not debconf, not ucf) |
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| 06:08.47 | mrslaughter1775 | themill: Noted. What is the main difference between apt/apt-get? |
| 06:08.58 | themill | little |
| 06:09.12 | mrslaughter1775 | I see in some tutorials to they use either one. There has to be some difference. |
| 06:09.20 | themill | apt-get will not install new packages in an upgrade, apt will |
| 06:10.57 | diogenes_ | prefers apt |
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| 06:13.07 | mrslaughter1775 | themill: So if you use apt-get and then upgrade that particular package, you can't upgrade it? |
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| 06:14.07 | Faket | Hey guys, I got an Acer laptop Aspire A114. There is no more OS on it, the BIOS is locked with a password (I already reset it and I still have the password, so I can't enter) and got SecureBoot enabled. I can boot on a Xubuntu or Linux Mint live but it stops on what seems to be the installation of grub. Any idea of what I can do? |
| 06:14.20 | themill | mrslaughter1775: you'd need to use dist-upgrade instead |
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| 06:15.16 | mrslaughter1775 | themill: That seems a bit strange. I could see some uses, but now I've got to go back and make sure I used apt for every package I installed lol |
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| 06:19.13 | mrslaughter1775 | themill: Let's say I did "sudo apt-get install vim -y". If I re-execute the command as sudo apt install vim -y, does that overwrite apt-get, or do I need to uninstall the package and then use apt? |
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| 07:38.04 | darxmurf | is there a way to monitor file creation on a linux file server and block filetypes ? |
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| 07:39.33 | darxmurf | fswatch ? |
| 07:40.46 | darxmurf | I'll install a new fileserver for windows/mac users. The idea is to monitor that and block file creation based on filenames we usually find in those ransomwares virus |
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| 07:50.05 | jolt | darxmurf: wouldn't some antivirus/malware software have that already? |
| 07:50.15 | jolt | But otherwise I guess fswatch would fit the bill |
| 07:51.44 | thms | Is sysstat / sar useful ? Does it use a lot of cpu/mem ? |
| 07:51.56 | thms | I've never heard of it, I'm trying to investigate some problems on a server |
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| 07:55.07 | darxmurf | jolt: well, windows machines are "protected" by a corporate antivirus but the idea was to add a layer on my linux servers |
| 07:56.06 | jolt | darxmurf: Just that it sounds like a tough job to write your own malware detection :) |
| 07:56.44 | jolt | darxmurf: I would recommend to use snapshots on the filesystems so that if the worst happens you can just go back to a previous snapshot |
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| 08:00.40 | darxmurf | jolt: this is an idea too. The idea is not to build my own malware detection tool, just to lock some doors :-) |
| 08:01.41 | jolt | darxmurf: yeah, but I just guess you are going to see a billion file changes, and that the problem is what is what. But I'm all for! |
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| 08:06.27 | jelly | ,i clamfs |
| 08:06.29 | judd | Package clamfs (utils, optional) in stretch/amd64: user-space anti-virus protected file system. Version: 1.0.1-1.1+b4; Size: 62.5k; Installed: 217k; Homepage: http://clamfs.sourceforge.net/; O: #678863 |
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| 08:18.55 | thms | How CPU/Memory intensive is sysstat ? |
| 08:19.12 | Faket | Hey guys, I got an Acer laptop Aspire A114. There is no more OS on it, the BIOS is locked with a password (I already reset it and I still have the password, so I can't enter) and got SecureBoot enabled. I can boot on a Xubuntu or Linux Mint live but it stops on what seems to be the installation of grub. Any idea of what I can do? |
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| 08:24.29 | diogenes_ | Faket, how comes you can't enter the bios? |
| 08:24.54 | Faket | diogenes_: I need a password for it... |
| 08:25.02 | diogenes_ | and? :) |
| 08:25.18 | diogenes_ | ask the person who put the password |
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| 08:26.25 | Faket | You didn't read well, I reseted the BIOS by removing the battery and waiting, cause the BIOS wasn't launching before (black screen with white _ top left). So now, I have a password... |
| 08:27.11 | diogenes_ | so you can you cannot access the bios? |
| 08:29.14 | Faket | No I can't acces BIOS, need this password for it |
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| 08:30.25 | darxmurf | you should be able to reset the pass when reset the BIOS |
| 08:30.31 | diogenes_ | if you can't get into bios then i'm afraid there's little you can do |
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| 08:31.40 | Faket | darxmurf: yeah, can you explain how should I do it better than reset it by unpowering? |
| 08:32.15 | Faket | diogenes_: That's not realy an option... |
| 08:32.47 | darxmurf | depends of the motherboard, some have a jumper to change, then put back. Some have 2 points to link with a piece of something to shortcut it, some have a switch |
| 08:33.37 | darxmurf | On supermicro server boards I had to unpower it, shortcut 2 dots and the job was done. Have a look in the manual of your board :-) |
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| 08:37.02 | diogenes_ | hehe if you shortcut the wrong two dots then don't try to get a joc in the Military bomb disposal units :) |
| 08:37.11 | diogenes_ | job* |
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| 08:39.15 | Faket | Yes... I'm a bit lost tbh |
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| 08:57.56 | njsg | I'm trying to install grub1 in a jessie VM, but setup (hd0) says it can't find stage1 |
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| 08:58.25 | njsg | both stage1 and stage2 are under /boot/grub, and that's the first and only linux data partition |
| 08:58.46 | njsg | What could be going on? |
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| 09:03.04 | dob1 | hi, am I wrong or time ago it was possible to execute for example "sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" , using just sudo at the first one, now I have to do "sudo apt-get.... && sudo apt-get dist...", it is changed ? |
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| 09:14.21 | njsg | okay, it looks like / is ext4 *and* tune2fs can't disable some of the incompatible features, so I'll install lilo for now while I make up a separate boot and then I'll install grub1 there. |
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| 09:15.32 | moldy | dob1: nope |
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| 09:16.37 | dob1 | moldy, ok I was wrong |
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| 09:16.56 | moldy | dob1: your shell reads that as `(sudo apt-get ...) && (apt-get dist...)` |
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| 09:17.06 | njsg | I doubt it'd work without the second sudo before, at least without quotes. && ought to be interpreted by the shell and that will be two separate commands. But there could always be some shell that does things in a different way, of course... |
| 09:18.04 | moldy | dob1: you can do something like `sudo bash -c "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade"` |
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| 09:19.10 | dob1 | moldy, thanks for the advice |
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| 10:21.06 | DeafGoose | Hi all |
| 10:21.08 | Camusensei | Hello guys. I'm on debian 9.5 and I am wondering why util-linux does not provide /usr/bin/column (which is on my system provided by bsdmainutils). util-linux is supposed to contain column, is there a specific package of util-linux for debian? |
| 10:21.12 | DeafGoose | is it alright if I ask a crontab question? |
| 10:21.16 | Camusensei | !ask |
| 10:21.16 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 10:21.43 | DeafGoose | Im trying to figure out why my scheduled job is not doing anything via crontab..Im tailing the cron.log file and I see that the cron line /usr/local/bin/php /var/www/artisan schedule:run >> /dev/null 2>&1 is getting logged, I created a simple artisan command that inserts a record into a table, running php artisan command inserts the record as it is supposed to, but for some reason the cron one is not, any clues? |
| 10:21.49 | DeafGoose | if I run /usr/local/bin/php /var/www/artisan schedule:run >> /dev/null 2>&1 manually on a shell, the command runs as expected |
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| 10:22.36 | Camusensei | DeafGoose: log your php program to a file instead of /dev/null and you'll see what the problem is |
| 10:22.36 | DeafGoose | (sorry forgot to say this is a laravel command) |
| 10:22.55 | DeafGoose | @Camunsensei, I will try doing this then |
| 10:23.11 | DeafGoose | whats funny is that running it manually does what is expected |
| 10:24.14 | Camusensei | It's actually quite common to have differences, you're running an interactive shell with a different environment compared to cron |
| 10:24.24 | Camusensei | plus it's not even the same shell |
| 10:25.06 | DeafGoose | ok logging to a file lets see |
| 10:25.32 | DeafGoose | ha |
| 10:25.33 | DeafGoose | SQLSTATE[HY000] [2002] No such file or directory |
| 10:25.35 | DeafGoose | :D |
| 10:25.40 | DeafGoose | php somehow complaining |
| 10:26.30 | DeafGoose | I think it must have something to do with my envs |
| 10:27.31 | DeafGoose | thanks @Camusensei |
| 10:27.37 | Camusensei | DeafGoose: you're welcome :) |
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| 10:31.06 | darxmurf | anybody installed graphite on incinga2 ? can't see the module in web admin page Oo |
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| 11:21.32 | spycrowsoft | Hi! In the current stable-repository, the package Enigmail depends on icedove and forces an uninstall of the thunderbird-l10n, lightning and lightning-l10n packages, but it leaves the main thunderbird package installed. Am I right if I conclude that this is not the intended nor expected behavior? And if so, how can I report this? |
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| 11:24.45 | purpleunicorn | will debian work on a chromebook that has chrome os. I'm gonna try and remove chrome os |
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| 11:26.43 | spycrowsoft | @purpleunicorn depends on the chromebook. You can find further information here: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn |
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| 11:30.33 | purpleunicorn | spycrowsoft nope it wouldn't work on a KIT-HP-58281 :( |
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| 11:30.55 | Secret-Fire | for some reason when i launch pavucontrol, i get system wide freezes and no sound |
| 11:33.13 | spycrowsoft | purpleunicorn: If you are feeling adventurous and have a chromeOS recovery USB stick, you could just try it..... No guarantees though... |
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| 11:35.36 | purpleunicorn | spycrowsoft i have to make the recovery USBB first and then try it out. Do you think that since its not listed online will it fuck up the system or would it just result into my doing a recovery? |
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| 11:40.54 | spycrowsoft | purpleunicorn: Is it a coreboot system? (probably yes). If so, then it is probably similar to what is visible on this page: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/HP/Chromebook%2014 |
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| 11:41.52 | spycrowsoft | In developer-mode you always have to be carefull, but as long as you don't flash another coreboot version onto your chromebook, you should be able to get a working chromeOS |
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| 11:43.44 | sZbcE8qNfG | hello, if I want my bash script to log to /var/log/myscript.log........how is that log rotated? |
| 11:43.53 | spycrowsoft | However, since I havn't done this before, I cannot guarantee that this is 100% true. It's a gamble with high chances of succeeding and low chances of bricking your chromebook, but the chances that you'll brick it are not 0. |
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| 11:45.07 | purpleunicorn | spycrowsoft this makes me not want to take a chance lol |
| 11:45.58 | spycrowsoft | purpleunicorn: It on how much you love your chromebook. If you don't care what happens to it, you can try. If you do, you might not want to take the risk. |
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| 11:46.48 | purpleunicorn | so by doing this or trying this i could potentially fuck up the chromebook to the point where it could no longer be of use? spycrowsoft |
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| 11:48.19 | spycrowsoft | If you don't flash a new coreboot and are fine with a message "OS verification OFF" at startup. You will probably be fine. |
| 11:48.37 | spycrowsoft | But yes, it's possible since it's uncharted territory. |
| 11:48.59 | spycrowsoft | Basically: You are on your own. |
| 11:49.00 | purpleunicorn | spycrowsoft im probably not going to take the risk. I'm just going to have to either install gallium or ubuntu |
| 11:50.35 | spycrowsoft | purpleunicorn: Has that been tried before? If yes, try that first, you can always return and try Debian again later |
| 11:50.44 | SerajewelKS | spycrowsoft: AIUI the enigmail package does not work with thunderbird 60. uninstall the package and use the thunderbird extension manager to download it instead. |
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| 11:52.01 | spycrowsoft | SerajewelKS: So it is intended behaviour. Ok thanks! I already applied your suggestion but I just wanted to check if this was intended or not. |
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| 11:52.12 | SerajewelKS | i don't think it's intended |
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| 11:52.22 | SerajewelKS | but it doesn't much matter since the package won't work anyway |
| 11:52.56 | SerajewelKS | the package hasn't been updated because the enigmail version that supports thunderbird 60 requires a newer gnupg |
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| 11:53.33 | SerajewelKS | thunderbird 52 ESR losing security updates caused a bit of a cluster |
| 11:53.53 | SerajewelKS | same with firefox 52 ESR |
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| 11:54.19 | SerajewelKS | so there's a bunch of broken addons in the repo because they don't support firefox 60, but would require updating other (non-broken) packages |
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| 11:55.17 | purpleunicorn | spycrowsoft it hasn't been tried before but i feel like any os except maybe mac os is the only that won't let you download any linux distros. I know someone who has an acer chromebook which im guessing probably runs windows and it works. Some people have told me i might have a harder time because its chrome os and has had issues. Im going to be honest, i dont have the chromebook. Im planning on buying one or the thinkpad but the |
| 11:55.18 | purpleunicorn | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:55.44 | spycrowsoft | SerajewelKS: I can see that. Had to fix this today on an older system that's been running for a year. |
| 11:55.55 | SerajewelKS | just FYI, it's not up to the OS as to whether you can install linux. it's up to the BIOS. |
| 11:56.22 | SerajewelKS | spycrowsoft: the current situation, as much as it sucks, is the least-bad option i think |
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| 11:57.39 | jmosco | has anyone had luck with dual displays on a newish thingpad with a docking station ? |
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| 11:57.54 | spycrowsoft | SerajewelKS: Well it's not like I'm going to run testing or unstable on systems in the wild with users which are regularly geographycally 30+ minutes away. |
| 11:58.05 | SerajewelKS | TBH i'm not sure the reasoning behind packaging firefox/thunderbird addons at all |
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| 11:58.28 | SerajewelKS | the way i see it, firefox and thunderbird include their own package manager of sorts. it would be like debian packaging npm modules. |
| 11:59.09 | spycrowsoft | SerajewelKS: It is to make the life of sysadmins easier and it's something that worked nicely in the past.... and it did to be honest. |
| 12:00.29 | spycrowsoft | purpleunicorn: You will surely have a harder time on a chromebook than on a thinkpad. I assumed you already had the chromebook. I would not be buying one brand new and bet that debian runs on it. |
| 12:00.49 | purpleunicorn | yeah that's why i came here to ask |
| 12:01.14 | spycrowsoft | purpleunicorn: If you are in the luxury position of buying a system that will run linux, it's better to just go with plain old regular computers. |
| 12:01.16 | purpleunicorn | spycrowsoft the pricing of both are the same but the speed of the thinkpad is slower than the chromebook |
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| 12:02.14 | spycrowsoft | purpleunicorn: depends on what you want to do with it... Most websites are quite power-crazy nowadays.... If surfing is the only thing you are concerned about, you might just as well buy the chromebook |
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| 12:03.18 | spycrowsoft | What are the thinkpad's specs? |
| 12:03.44 | dob1 | hi, I have a file -rw-r--r-- 1 root root why I am able to delete it as user? it asks me if I am sure ti remove it but I can remove it |
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| 12:06.19 | spycrowsoft | dob1: does user own the directory the file is in? |
| 12:06.28 | dob1 | spycrowsoft, yes |
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| 12:06.40 | spycrowsoft | ok |
| 12:06.45 | dob1 | it's this? |
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| 12:07.19 | spycrowsoft | dob1: I think I know why, checking my hypothesis, just a moment |
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| 12:08.54 | spycrowsoft | dob1: yes |
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| 12:09.17 | spycrowsoft | Apperantly, deleting a file is viewed as making a change to the directory the file is in |
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| 12:09.41 | dob1 | so permissions are ignored |
| 12:09.44 | spycrowsoft | So you cannot edit the file itself, but the directory itself is also a file. |
| 12:09.46 | spycrowsoft | No they are not |
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| 12:10.22 | spycrowsoft | If you set the directory the file is in to read-only for user (or chown it to root:root) then you cannot delete the file anymore |
| 12:10.49 | spycrowsoft | It's functioning as it is intended, you just have to understand what you are doing |
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| 12:11.12 | spycrowsoft | In linux everything is a file |
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| 12:11.37 | spycrowsoft | A file is a file, a directory is a file, a device is a file etc... |
| 12:11.59 | spycrowsoft | But a device is a special file, just like a directory is a special file that can contain other files |
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| 12:12.36 | spycrowsoft | If you delete a file from a directory, you are not modifying the file, but you are modifying the directory the file is stored in |
| 12:13.12 | spycrowsoft | Therefore, the premissions of the directory the file resides in, are applied to the rm command. |
| 12:13.51 | spycrowsoft | Is this clear? |
| 12:13.57 | dob1 | spycrowsoft, thanks for the info, I got it. |
| 12:14.33 | purpleunicorn | these are the one's im thinking about right now. spycrowsoft http://www.microcenter.com/endeca/CompareV2.aspx?returnUrl=L3NlYXJjaC9zZWFyY2hfcmVzdWx0cy5hc3B4P049NDI5NDk2NzI5MSA1MTkmcGFnZT0x |
| 12:14.35 | spycrowsoft | You're welcome |
| 12:14.38 | SPF | very interesting :) |
| 12:14.58 | dob1 | it's a bit strange if you think, for example chmod 600 file |
| 12:15.02 | dob1 | I can't read it but I can delete it |
| 12:15.21 | spycrowsoft | purpleunicorn: that link doesn't work for me |
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| 12:16.07 | SerajewelKS | spycrowsoft: "everything is a file" is misleading. everything is a node. nodes share some properties, such as permissions. |
| 12:16.33 | SerajewelKS | this has nothing to do with "directories are files" (which is wrong) and it has to do with the permission model as it is defined |
| 12:16.47 | spycrowsoft | SerajewelKS: Of course you are right, but I tried to keep it simple. |
| 12:17.50 | SerajewelKS | the correct way to think about it is that unlinking a node is an operation on the directory the node is in, not the node itself. hence, the node's permissions aren't relevant. |
| 12:18.14 | purpleunicorn | spycrowsoft http://www.microcenter.com/product/507538/thinkpad-x130e-116-laptop-computer-refurbished---black |
| 12:18.19 | SerajewelKS | this applies to any node, not just files |
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| 12:18.53 | spycrowsoft | And files are nodes.... |
| 12:19.12 | SerajewelKS | right. so it follows. but it applies to more than files. |
| 12:19.44 | SerajewelKS | dob1: think about it like this. if you have an encrypted document in your possession, you can't read it without the key. but even if you don't have the key, you can shred it. |
| 12:20.02 | SerajewelKS | a node in a directory owned by a user is "in the possession of that user" regardless of their rights to otherwise manipulate the node |
| 12:20.29 | dob1 | it makes sense :) |
| 12:20.52 | purpleunicorn | http://www.microcenter.com/product/507502/probook-6465b-14-laptop-computer-refurbished---black second option spycrowsoft |
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| 12:23.08 | SerajewelKS | it's actually a necessary thing, due to hardlinks. consider this scenario: user A owns a file with permissions 644. user B creates a hardlink to this file in his home directory. user A changes the permissions to 600. |
| 12:23.10 | purpleunicorn | http://www.microcenter.com/product/508868/thinkpad-l430-14-laptop-computer-refurbished---black another option spycrowsoft |
| 12:23.19 | SerajewelKS | user B now has a node in their home directory with permissions 600 and owned by another user |
| 12:23.37 | spycrowsoft | purpleunicorn: I would go with the HP Probook. I've recently installed Debian on a system with simmilar specs and it ran Debian just fine for regular web and office-use. It's also the most powerfull of the bunch |
| 12:23.59 | SerajewelKS | unless user B can delete any node in a directory they own, they either need to enlist user A to change the permissions, or root to come delete the node |
| 12:24.20 | purpleunicorn | is it more powerful than the thinkpad as well spycrowsoft |
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| 12:24.29 | spycrowsoft | purpleunicorn: Yes |
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| 12:26.16 | spycrowsoft | purpleunicorn: It's about as powerful as a "modern" machine from 10 years ago. Something with specs like that is enough for home office and webbrowsing use |
| 12:27.43 | spycrowsoft | Don't expect to be gaming on it though.... |
| 12:28.02 | spycrowsoft | But It'll do the job for debian and homework. |
| 12:28.03 | purpleunicorn | i already have a laptop for regular use...i'm trying to learn how to tinker with things on it. Create projects and programs spycrowsoft |
| 12:28.12 | purpleunicorn | i need it to last but im on a budget |
| 12:28.55 | spycrowsoft | I doubt that it will last for more than 3 years.... |
| 12:29.07 | spycrowsoft | But untill then it is fine. |
| 12:29.25 | purpleunicorn | why dont you think it'll last longer |
| 12:30.14 | spycrowsoft | purpleunicorn: Because regular websites are slow as "a gentle caress". And getting slower every 2 months. |
| 12:30.56 | sZbcE8qNfG | anyone knowhow often the debian logs rotate |
| 12:31.18 | SerajewelKS | sZbcE8qNfG: check in /etc/logrotate.{conf,d} |
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| 12:31.27 | SerajewelKS | it can differ by service |
| 12:31.42 | SerajewelKS | in my experience most services rotate every 7 days |
| 12:31.57 | SerajewelKS | typically sunday morning |
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| 12:32.47 | sZbcE8qNfG | thanks |
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| 12:34.18 | SerajewelKS | np |
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| 12:40.16 | spycrowsoft | It's just so horribly wastefull.. all those modern webpages |
| 12:40.33 | purpleunicorn | spycrowsoft i know you can review specs all day but what about these 2 |
| 12:40.39 | purpleunicorn | https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834319463&ignorebbr=1 |
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| 12:40.49 | purpleunicorn | https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIADZE8078270&ignorebbr=1 |
| 12:40.52 | spycrowsoft | I remember running an entire community-system on a server with 800 mHz with about 1200 users.... It's a shame those days are over. |
| 12:42.30 | spycrowsoft | T420S is the best one so far |
| 12:42.50 | dob1 | I suggest levovo too |
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| 12:43.19 | dob1 | t series, but not the s one, sometimes they have heat/fan problems |
| 12:44.06 | spycrowsoft | Will last you a little longer with debian on it, might need a new harddrive in the new future, but those are not to expensive either. 1TB is like 40$ and it's a fundamentally better machine |
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| 12:46.21 | spycrowsoft | I'd give the thinkpad about 4 or 5 years, but it's not going to get much better on your budget. |
| 12:46.24 | spycrowsoft | Go with it |
| 12:47.07 | purpleunicorn | thanks dob1 and spycrowsoft for the advice |
| 12:49.49 | spycrowsoft | You're welcome |
| 12:49.50 | jelly | a T420s is exactly what I've bought two years ago, 16GB RAM and SSD and happy with it |
| 12:50.19 | spycrowsoft | jelly: this one has an HDD and 4 GB, and an i5 so it's a lot less powerfull |
| 12:51.35 | spycrowsoft | But the ram and HDD are not that hard to replace when the time comes and an 1-st gen i5 will last a few years from now on. He/she could even replace it with an SSD, but given the budget I don't think that's likely. |
| 12:52.11 | spycrowsoft | A bit of new ram might be worth it, but an SSD would be as expensive as the entire laptop in it's current state. |
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| 12:53.10 | jelly | yes, but it's worth it |
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| 12:54.15 | jelly | if there's a single 4GB stick of ram inside, adding 4 or 8 more will be enough for any Linux workstation work, and perhaps some light virtualization |
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| 12:54.34 | spycrowsoft | jelly there is 4 in it and 4 is enough right now |
| 12:55.33 | spycrowsoft | And I can run about 4 linux or 1 windows VM on 8GB without problems |
| 12:56.08 | purpleunicorn | what about these |
| 12:56.10 | purpleunicorn | https://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?CompareItemList=32%7C9SIAAJ278S6424%5E9SIAAJ278S6424%2C9SIA9PS84P8144%5E9SIA9PS84P8144%2C34%2D321%2D995%5E34%2D321%2D995%2C9SIA5HA4VT5786%5E9SIA5HA4VT5786 |
| 12:56.17 | sdk | spycrowsoft: even Win10 without swapping? |
| 12:57.03 | spycrowsoft | sdk: The 32 bit version, yes ;) |
| 12:57.07 | purpleunicorn | this is the highest i can go spycrowsoft https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=1TS-000E-09FT9 |
| 12:58.02 | sdk | oh right didn't thing about the 32bit ;) I remember that the 64bit was giving me a bit of trouble with only 8gb. |
| 12:58.29 | spycrowsoft | purpleunicorn: I would go with the T420s |
| 12:58.36 | dob1 | go for t series |
| 12:58.51 | purpleunicorn | ok |
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| 12:59.15 | spycrowsoft | The T430 and T410 are also ok |
| 13:00.16 | spycrowsoft | It's more or less the same, and SSD makes a BIG difference, but they are expensive and small. A new 1TB harddisk costs you about $40 when you need it and ram is identical for all those T4** |
| 13:00.17 | purpleunicorn | found this one. it has an SSD https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834332532&ignorebbr=1 |
| 13:00.37 | spycrowsoft | purpleunicorn: Yes but it's cpu is way slower |
| 13:00.51 | purpleunicorn | yeah |
| 13:01.00 | Vanfanel | Hi! After following this guide to create an aarch64 rootfs on an X86 host, I can natively boot and login as root on the aarch64 system, but I am missing systemd's service initialization messages, but shutdown messages DO appear. Any idea on what am I missing? |
| 13:01.01 | spycrowsoft | Go for a thinkpad T4xx and a high clock speed |
| 13:01.21 | Vanfanel | This is the guide I followed: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/arm64/apds03.html.en |
| 13:01.29 | spycrowsoft | The CPU is nearly impossible to replace after all |
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| 13:02.08 | spycrowsoft | I stil think that the T420s or this T410 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=1TS-000E-09FT9 are the best options on the table |
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| 13:03.00 | spycrowsoft | The T410 probably being best of both worlds.... |
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| 13:03.44 | purpleunicorn | what about this one. its faster 2.5 ghz spycrowsoft https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=9SIA5WM2VC3130 |
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| 13:04.19 | spycrowsoft | Well that's up to you |
| 13:04.27 | spycrowsoft | T420s has more harddrive space |
| 13:04.49 | spycrowsoft | The T420 you just linked in has an SSD so it is way faster, but has less space to store things |
| 13:05.17 | spycrowsoft | I'd take the t420 with an SSD and solve the storage problem with an external drive or something |
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| 13:05.35 | purpleunicorn | yeah i think that's my best bet |
| 13:06.05 | spycrowsoft | Settle for it, take it can install debian on it |
| 13:06.15 | spycrowsoft | It will last for 5 years |
| 13:07.02 | sdk | just curious whats the most powerful cpu you can get with a t420(s)? |
| 13:07.11 | spycrowsoft | sdk: I can run a win 10 64 bit as well without swapping on 8GB, but I'de have to make sure firefox and other apps are closed |
| 13:07.20 | spycrowsoft | sdk about an i7 something |
| 13:07.50 | spycrowsoft | Probably i7 26xxM or 28xxM |
| 13:08.27 | sdk | oh same as the x series then |
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| 13:08.58 | spycrowsoft | I my experience, in a laptop, the difference between an i5 and an i7 doesn't matter for home-use |
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| 13:09.12 | purpleunicorn | it can dual boot right? spycrowsoft |
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| 13:09.32 | spycrowsoft | Well that's where the disk storage comes in |
| 13:09.36 | purpleunicorn | like if i dont plan on getting rid of windows can i just make another drive for debian |
| 13:09.55 | purpleunicorn | oh |
| 13:10.05 | spycrowsoft | an 128 GB SDD is so small that you can theoretically fit in linux and windows at the same time, but you'll have a hard time |
| 13:10.43 | petn-randall | !ot |
| 13:10.43 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 13:10.47 | spycrowsoft | But it's powerfull enough to run just plain old windows for about 1 or 2 years, before you'd have to ditch windows and install debian on it |
| 13:11.16 | spycrowsoft | The bot's are reacting to us.... we have to quit now |
| 13:11.48 | petn-randall | spycrowsoft: You can also just move over to #debian-offtopic and continue the discussion there. :) |
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| 13:11.52 | purpleunicorn | lol ok |
| 13:12.05 | spycrowsoft | petn-randall: nah I have to leave anyway |
| 13:12.18 | spycrowsoft | SerajewelKS: Thanks for answering my question! |
| 13:12.26 | purpleunicorn | well i guess i'll get an external |
| 13:12.27 | SerajewelKS | spycrowsoft: np |
| 13:12.33 | purpleunicorn | drive |
| 13:12.35 | purpleunicorn | thanks for helping spycrowsoft |
| 13:12.48 | spycrowsoft | yw |
| 13:12.59 | purpleunicorn | i'll most likely get rid of windows and just have debian on it |
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| 13:14.38 | jelly | sdk: ask in ##ibmthinkpad, some models can have firmware replaced with coreboot or libreboot and more powerful sandybridge (2nd gen i3/i5/i7) or ivybridge (3rd gen) cpu installed, provided you can figure out the cooling |
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| 13:17.36 | sdk | jelly: thx for the info |
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| 13:18.37 | b1nny | Hello! Could someone tell me what the security update policy of Debian is in regards to non-officially supported PHP versions (PHP 7.0 from December and onwards)? |
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| 13:19.38 | SerajewelKS | b1nny: if it's in stable and upstream is still providing security updates, debian does too |
| 13:19.49 | SerajewelKS | if upstream is not providing security updates then... well, there aren't any security updates to give you |
| 13:20.29 | b1nny | so everyone running Debian Stretch using PHP is boned, pretty much? |
| 13:20.37 | jelly | b1nny: if we look at past history with php, Debian is likely to keep backporting relevant security issues to their own php 7.0 even after upstream gives up on it |
| 13:20.39 | b1nny | (unless you use 3rd party repos ofc) |
| 13:20.40 | SerajewelKS | typically in that case stable will get the next release. like what happened with firefox 52 ESR. mozilla stopped supporting 52 so debian received a security update to 60 ESR. |
| 13:20.47 | b1nny | jelly: ah that sounds sensible :) |
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| 13:21.12 | SerajewelKS | then there's that too. it depends on the package somewhat, i think. |
| 13:21.22 | b1nny | yeah well, this is PHP in general: http://php.net/supported-versions.php |
| 13:21.24 | jelly | and the maintainers, yes |
| 13:21.39 | b1nny | the wiki does note that the debian php maintainers and debian security teams work closely together |
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| 13:22.34 | jelly | php upstream releases do not care about distros and LTS very much. RedHat has their own security fixes, Debian has their own... |
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| 13:25.01 | b1nny | okay :) thanks! |
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| 13:59.59 | Iarfen | hi! how I can recover files that are in the other partition of a hard drive after installing debian? |
| 14:00.21 | Brigo | Iarfen, mounting that partition |
| 14:00.55 | Iarfen | Brigo: how I mount it? |
| 14:01.41 | Brigo | Iarfen, what king of partition is that |
| 14:01.43 | Brigo | ? |
| 14:02.25 | Iarfen | Brigo: it's an lvm2 member |
| 14:03.08 | Brigo | Iarfen, i think you need just the block number, you can get it with lsblk. |
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| 14:03.35 | Brigo | then mount blocknumber /directory_where_you_want_to_mount_it |
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| 14:03.58 | Brigo | usually /mnt (ixists just for that) |
| 14:04.21 | thms | Anyonbe using sysstat ? I've disabled it in /etc/default/sysstat, but the cron.d/sysstat file is still there & being called. I don't really get what's the use of this default/sysstat file |
| 14:04.25 | karlpinc | Iarfen: Or you could activate the lvm volume group, assuming it's all on the one hard drive. |
| 14:05.09 | karlpinc | Iarfen: IIRC it's: vgchange -ay |
| 14:05.32 | Iarfen | karlpinc: that's the command I've to use? inside which directory I execute that? |
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| 14:05.50 | karlpinc | Iarfen: Then you: lvchange -ay (I think) |
| 14:05.59 | karlpinc | Iarfen: You do it as root, in any directory. |
| 14:06.33 | karlpinc | Iarfen: After activeating the logical volume you can mount it using the mount command. |
| 14:06.55 | Brigo | thms, do you restarted sysstat daemon with systemctl? |
| 14:07.07 | thms | Brigo, yes. |
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| 14:07.59 | Brigo | thms, i am wondering it sysstat unit is readling /etc/default/sysstat, maybe you need to restart the whole systemd |
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| 14:10.30 | Iarfen | karlpinc: I get as message: "Please give logical volume path(s) or use --select for selection." |
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| 14:11.44 | RoyK | Brigo: sysstat/sar is a cron job |
| 14:12.37 | Brigo | RoyK, it looks like now there is an systemd unit and a /etc/default/sysstat |
| 14:12.37 | RoyK | thms: btw, why did you disable it? it hardly takes any resources and very handy |
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| 14:13.17 | RoyK | Brigo: systemd just kicks out the first run of sar/sa1 |
| 14:13.28 | RoyK | Brigo: you won't find a process running |
| 14:13.33 | karlpinc | Iarfen: After the lvchange command? |
| 14:14.23 | Brigo | RoyK, then you are more suited for helping Iarfen. I haven't used sysstad lately. |
| 14:15.36 | RoyK | Brigo: I use on every linux machine I run - just because it doesn't eat resources (as of that I can measure) and because it's sometimes invaluable in terms of the statistics it logs |
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| 14:15.56 | Brigo | RoyK, nice |
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| 14:16.33 | RoyK | it just logs a bunch of counters every 10 (or 5 or something) minutes |
| 14:16.42 | RoyK | and keeps them per day for a month |
| 14:17.06 | RoyK | doesn't take much disk space either - even for a raspberry pi with a 4GB SD card |
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| 14:17.40 | karlpinc | RoyK: I used to use sar, but found I never looked at it. vmstat and ps seem to do the trick for me. |
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| 14:18.07 | karlpinc | RoyK: You're right though, it does not hurt. |
| 14:18.28 | RoyK | karlpinc: vmstat and ps don't log stats over time - sysstat does |
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| 14:27.33 | Nomenclatura | Hey. Anybody has any experiences with RISC-V |
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| 14:41.58 | pagios | hi all, i would like to give my windows machines access to some folders with access permissions applied on them, i am using linux servers, uset1 should access ofolder1 and read from folder2 and admin should access al all windows machines are part of a workgroup, should i use samba to do that service or any other recommended services? |
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| 14:44.26 | sdk | pagios: You should be able to do that with samba. |
| 14:45.06 | sdk | have a look at https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Main_Page |
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| 14:51.40 | Iarfen | hi! |
| 14:52.29 | Iarfen | after installing debian from zero how I should do to config the environment variables that aren't set? Like for example ${APACHE_RUN_DIR} |
| 14:52.46 | greycat | ... why would you think that should be set? Who would use it? |
| 14:53.02 | apollo13 | aside from the fact that the init script sets it afaik |
| 14:53.18 | apollo13 | greycat: afaik that is part of the default apache conf in debian |
| 14:53.25 | apollo13 | at least it was on debian/ubuntu a while ago |
| 14:53.54 | greycat | OK, I see it in /etc/apache2/envvars |
| 14:54.05 | apollo13 | ah right there, yes |
| 14:54.12 | greycat | And the comment in that file says it's used by apachectl. |
| 14:54.19 | apollo13 | jupp |
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| 14:55.21 | sZbcE8qNfG | is there a way to get apache to call a script on access? Basically, I'm want to send an email everytime a unique ip address accesses apache |
| 14:55.46 | sZbcE8qNfG | i could do it using a handler pre-script or even polling access.log, wonder if there is a better way |
| 14:55.49 | Iarfen | apollo13: how I do that apache uses those environment variables there? I've the file :D |
| 14:56.02 | greycat | Iarfen: what are you trying to do? |
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| 14:56.29 | Iarfen | greycat: to keep apache running, only that |
| 14:56.36 | Iarfen | to, well, "start" apache |
| 14:56.39 | greycat | Then stop poking things. |
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| 14:57.17 | greycat | It's started at boot by default. If you've stopped it for some reason, you can restart it with "service apache2 start" or "systemctl start apache2" |
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| 15:03.55 | Faket | Hey, I have a small trouble with pavucontrol I guess, my cmus player sound seems to be muting itself at random times, what can I do to diagnostic this? |
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| 15:08.46 | diogenes_ | Faket, muting just randomly or when you change the volume |
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| 15:10.46 | Faket | diogenes_ seems to be randomly |
| 15:11.09 | Faket | diogenes_ I tried to reproduce it but I can't figure out anything who do it |
| 15:11.26 | greycat | Are you sure it's the software (i.e. you can actually see that the software shows "muted" somewhere), and not just a cable or other HW issue? |
| 15:11.58 | diogenes_ | Faket, maybe it gets muted when you got a call on fb or skype or something similar? |
| 15:12.22 | sZbcE8qNfG | dio, you use opensuse? |
| 15:12.37 | Faket | diogenes_ I don't think so... Got no FB or Skype... |
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| 15:12.50 | Faket | greycat Yeah, it's muted in pavucontrol, I have to go there and unmute it |
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| 15:14.33 | diogenes_ | Faket, one random try would be to comment out this line #load-module module-role-cork in /etc/pulse/default.pa then pulseaudio -k |
| 15:17.09 | Faket | diogenes_ I did it, so basicly now I just wait until it mutes again right? So if it doesn't maybe this was the cause of the problem. |
| 15:17.27 | Faket | Or maybe I didn't waited long enough ^^ |
| 15:17.31 | diogenes_ | Faket, exactly |
| 15:17.37 | Faket | Roger that |
| 15:17.50 | diogenes_ | roger that control :) |
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| 15:39.01 | jhutchins_wk | I've discovered what appears to be a vbox guest running on a CentOS server with no GUI. It doesn't accept ssh or rdp connections. How can I get console access? |
| 15:39.12 | jhutchins_wk | Oops, wrong channel, sorry. |
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| 15:42.02 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_wk: if it's headless, virtualbox itself should be listening on an RDP port |
| 15:42.19 | SerajewelKS | if not, there is a VBoxManage command to enable that |
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| 15:43.53 | jhutchins_wk | Thanks. The guest is probably some flavor of linux. |
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| 15:55.08 | jhutchins_wk | Actually, it appears to be a redirect that nmap incorrectly identified as vbox, possibly because it was running on a vbox guest. |
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| 16:08.08 | zafu | hi, when I ssh into some debian hosts running X11, two SSH_AUTH_SOCK are created: one local and one for the forwarded key, how can I avoid creating the local one? |
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| 16:13.54 | jhutchins_wk | zafu: why? |
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| 16:14.24 | zafu | jhutchins_wk: I can't find the culprit creating the extra socket |
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| 16:15.22 | zafu | can someone try ssh'ing into a X11 host and see if there are two same-timestamped sockets in /tmp/ssh-* ? |
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| 16:47.33 | jhutchins_wk | zafu: What release are you on? |
| 16:48.15 | zafu | sid |
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| 16:50.12 | jelly-home | zafu: what do you mean by an X11 host, just a machine running X? |
| 16:50.24 | jelly-home | in any case the right place to ask is |
| 16:50.27 | jelly-home | !debian-next |
| 16:50.27 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 16:51.54 | greycat | If I ssh as root (without -X or -Y) into a stretch machine with a user logged in and running KDE on the console, I see only one /tmp/ssh-* file. I think you need to specify a few more details here. |
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| 17:01.16 | Antares_ | https://vk.com/gammasvet ALL ALPHA SINGS STAR |
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| 17:03.55 | mrslaughter1775 | I'm looking to install an IRC client on my new Stretch install. Any suggestions? |
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| 17:08.15 | sdk | mrslaughter1775: irssi, weechat (CLI) HexChat (GUI) |
| 17:08.41 | mtn | mrslaughter1775: just to be fair, konversation |
| 17:09.18 | mrslaughter1775 | I've never heard of irssi or konversation, but I used to use HexChat on Windows 10 and quite enjoyed it. |
| 17:10.39 | mrslaughter1775 | After reading "In The Beginning Was The Command Line" though, I'm trying to start using applications that don't rely on GUI's. I'll look into weechat. I've seen the name pop up a lot but never checked it out. |
| 17:11.30 | nyov | Whom do I talk to wrt salsa account creation? |
| 17:12.07 | nyov | or: y u no send confirmation mail, salsa!? |
| 17:12.50 | n4dir | mrslaughter1775: pretty sure there is a very old thread at forums debian net about the most liked commandline programs (audiplayers, screenshot, etc). - Not sure if it is easy to find that thread with a web-searchengine, but might be worth a try. |
| 17:12.59 | nyov | funny thing, I could use the password recovery page and got a mail, set new password and am still not "email confirmed" |
| 17:15.41 | greycat | I've only ever used terminal-based IRC clients (epic, irssi). I can't really imagine using a GUI one. |
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| 17:16.51 | greycat | At least (most) people have finally stopped using bitchx. |
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| 17:17.31 | n4dir | i failed to make irssi show me if in channels not the active one someone says something. I didn't try that hard though. |
| 17:17.38 | petn-randall | greycat: But bitchx has a built-in disco! |
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| 18:41.20 | IpSo | Recently upgraded to Debian 9, and I'm running into an odd issue with a nagios plugin that simply checks if a file exists. When running the command locally it works fine and says the file exists, however when running it from NRPE it fails saying the file does not exist. When I do a strace on NRPE I see: stat("/tmp/asterisk_last_call.txt", 0x55a67836e298) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) -- Yet the file is there, and readable by the 'nagios' user |
| 18:41.20 | IpSo | ... Any ideas what I'm missing here? |
| 18:42.37 | greycat | Container/chroot? |
| 18:43.03 | mutante | IpSo: i would go to the NRPE config and copy/paste the exact command line from there, then run it manually and with sudo -u as the exact same user |
| 18:43.09 | mutante | then see if that gives more hints |
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| 18:43.33 | IpSo | mutante, it works fine when I do that. |
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| 18:43.53 | IpSo | greycat, Good catch... Definitely could be a chroot, now to figure out if that is the case... |
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| 18:47.43 | thavlik | Hi folks. I am trying to install nvidia-smi and I am getting this error of having broken packages: https://pastebin.com/q0z6ajmP synaptic indicates I have no broken packages. What do I do? :'( |
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| 18:48.29 | IpSo | greycat, hrmm, any ideas how I could tell if the NRPE server is in a chroot? |
| 18:49.03 | RoyK | IpSo: it probably isn't |
| 18:49.15 | RoyK | IpSo: and using nagios is a bad thing to start width |
| 18:49.16 | greycat | I don't even know what NRPE is, so I don't know what your options are. If you can ask it to make a file, try asking it to create "/tmp/helloworld" or something, and see where it ends up. |
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| 18:49.31 | RoyK | greycat: nagios remote plugin executor |
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| 18:50.48 | RoyK | greycat: it's basically nagios' sniper :D |
| 18:51.53 | IpSo | RoyK, appears to be some systemd private directory |
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| 18:58.39 | jelly-home | RoyK: ok, I'll bite, what's wrong with nagios if they already have it installed and set up already |
| 18:58.50 | RoyK | IpSo: possibly, but if so, how can it run foreign commands? |
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| 19:00.27 | RoyK | jelly-home: a: it's not good, nor modern. b: I really dislke it - have you looked at the codebase? I worked with it for almost a decade and saw rather a lot of it |
| 19:00.41 | RoyK | but hell - some people would use win98 |
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| 19:01.55 | jelly-home | $work has had it installed since it was called Netsaint ... |
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| 19:02.34 | jelly-home | I'll give you not modern, even with current commercial release |
| 19:02.47 | jelly-home | but it works |
| 19:02.59 | RoyK | but again - I really doubt nrpe can run in a rootshell |
| 19:03.20 | RoyK | it won't be able to find any of those commands it's supposed to run |
| 19:03.33 | jelly-home | it can probably run, but not do anything useful |
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| 19:04.12 | jelly-home | we don't use nrpe at all, it's always stricken me as a bad idea to have a backdoor just for monitoring |
| 19:04.13 | RoyK | which was my point |
| 19:05.31 | RoyK | better use agent-initiated checks then (I don't want to use active/passive checks - it's confusing - especially when zabbix uses the same terms, only the other way around) |
| 19:06.14 | RoyK | agent-initiated or server-initiated - simple |
| 19:06.16 | jelly-home | (almost) everything is visible over snmpd |
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| 19:07.20 | jhutchins | jelly-home: There really isn't a decent alternative either. Icinga requires that you have programmers on staff. |
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| 19:07.50 | RoyK | icinga is just a nagios fork |
| 19:07.58 | RoyK | zabbix actually works well |
| 19:08.53 | IpSo | greycat, RoyK, mutante, FYI: Turned out to be systemd "privatetmp" setting that was preventing the NRPE service from reading files from the system /tmp/ directory. We had one service that would dump files there, and NRPE would check to see if they exist, so systemd was preventing that from happening. |
| 19:09.24 | greycat | Just out of curiosity, how did you discover it? |
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| 19:11.16 | IpSo | greycat, the chroot was the tip-off, I then created a script that NRPE would run that simply did: "touch /tmp/test.file" and searched the entire disk for it. It turned up in some weird random /tmp/systemd-private-<HASH garbage> directory. So that pointed me towards systemd, and the systemd guys pointed me towards the privatetmp setting in the service unit file. |
| 19:11.48 | jelly-home | seems like a case of "for fucks sake don't put files with known fixed paths in /tmp" |
| 19:11.51 | IpSo | greycat, Thanks for the help! |
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| 19:13.06 | IpSo | jelly-home, Or "for fuck sake, what else is Systemd going to control!" |
| 19:13.06 | jelly-home | if it had checked /var/lib/service/test.file it would have worked, and usually noone but "service" and root would be able to create that file |
| 19:13.30 | jelly-home | I don't blame systemd's defaults, this time. |
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| 19:14.51 | tw | privatetmp defaults to off. |
| 19:15.02 | tw | except for dynamicuser=true |
| 19:15.19 | greycat | yeah, it's not "systemd did this thing", it's "the debian maintainer of the package did this thing using systemd" |
| 19:15.46 | jelly-home | not that there's a functional difference for an aggravated user |
| 19:16.34 | tw | does anything still use tmp for ipc, or has all of that been moved to /run or /var? |
| 19:16.48 | IpSo | Systemd changes so fast its hard to keep up with it... Its not really anyones "fault", just a quirk of learning a new distro version. |
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| 19:17.30 | jelly-home | looks at /tmp/.X11 |
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| 19:18.26 | jelly-home | and this POS of ssh-agent that ignores my TMPDIR and does /tmp/ssh-randomstuf/agent.pid |
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| 19:19.07 | msiism | what would be a convenient way to get information about changes to the original source of zsh in the current debian package? i mean, if you don't understand the source code... |
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| 19:20.31 | RoyK | msiism: apt source zsh and find the changelog |
| 19:20.32 | bites | msiism: look at the changelog and at the patches in the package source under debian/patches. maybe they have comments in the header. |
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| 19:21.03 | msiism | RoyK, bites: ok, i've already downloaded the src package. will have a look. |
| 19:21.28 | jelly-home | msiism: debian.tar.gz from source package contains everything unique to debian |
| 19:21.49 | msiism | jelly-home: ok, thanks |
| 19:21.57 | jelly-home | that's typically the debian/ subdir in the unpacked source |
| 19:22.05 | jelly-home | (but not always) |
| 19:22.58 | msiism | jelly-home: yes, i'm there. lots of files. |
| 19:23.19 | jelly-home | what's wrong with debian's zsh anyway! |
| 19:23.32 | jelly-home | and why is my nickname lying |
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| 19:25.04 | msiism | jelly-home: don't know. the default prompt looks like it had been put together by a freak. but maybe that's upstream. i just generally like to have a basic understanding of what debian changed. |
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| 19:26.26 | jelly | don't you get a menu by default, asking you for some basic setup? |
| 19:26.47 | jelly | and a really bare prompt if you answer "don't do anything" |
| 19:27.11 | jelly | msiism: which debian release are you using? |
| 19:27.14 | greycat | I remember installing zsh just to test something, being appalled by the default prompt, not seeing any kind of menu, and manually changing the prompt somehow. I don't remember all the details. |
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| 19:27.43 | msiism | jelly: ok, yes that... should have taken that more seriously. but it was kind of in-my-face, so i quit. |
| 19:27.55 | Vanfanel | Hi. After following this tutorial (https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/arm64/apds03.html.en) I am missing systemd boot messages and kernel messages on screen. Systemd shutdown messages are present. It seems I don't have a /dev/tty1 until the system has booted, which could be the cause. Should I manually create a /dev/tty1 file so systemd can print messages on screen before udev starts? (I guess my |
| 19:27.57 | greycat | It doesn't appear to have left anything in /etc/skel/ but I have a ~/.zshrc that must have come from *somewhere* because I definitely didn't create all that. |
| 19:28.00 | tw | PS1 automatic variables for zsh are different from bash. |
| 19:28.00 | Vanfanel | /dev/tty1 is created by udev) |
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| 19:28.33 | tw | so it doesn't get set for zsh, most of the time. |
| 19:28.44 | msiism | jelly: i'm using devuan ascii (so, kind of debian stretch). |
| 19:28.51 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 19:28.56 | jelly | does "adduser --shell /bin/zsh test2; su - test2; (q) Quit and do nothing." |
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| 19:29.12 | jelly | is greeted by hostname% and a space |
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| 19:29.36 | tw | As it should be. |
| 19:29.43 | greycat | My ~/.zshrc contains PS1='%m:%~%% ' which I suspect I wrote. |
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| 19:30.26 | tw | Mine is %m:%~%#, the only difference being root gets # instead of % |
| 19:30.34 | jelly | mine contains... well I won't bother you with that, rest assured there's also a RPS1 |
| 19:30.47 | greycat | Hmm. If I move the .zshrc file into a hiding place, and run zsh, I *do* get a menu. I don't remember seeing that previously. |
| 19:30.58 | jelly | because WHO doesn't want a prompt on the right side? Noone, that's who |
| 19:31.29 | jelly | does "vared PS1" |
| 19:31.49 | greycat | OK, right, if I select "2" on the menu to let it create a .zshrc file for me, I get an unreadable smear of colors. |
| 19:32.06 | tw | Vanfanel: did you MAKEDEV generic? |
| 19:32.17 | tw | it should have created tty1 for you. |
| 19:32.25 | Vanfanel | tw: Is that necessary? |
| 19:32.30 | greycat | https://imgur.com/a/lqdjL2Q |
| 19:32.31 | tw | it's in the instructions... |
| 19:32.37 | tw | D.3.4.1... |
| 19:32.47 | msiism | zsh seems kind of overkill. i actually have no reason not to simply use bash. but then i read things... |
| 19:32.54 | Vanfanel | tw: yes, but I did so before, and even so, kernel and systemd would be silent... |
| 19:33.04 | greycat | I don't know who thought that was a sensible default. |
| 19:33.04 | Vanfanel | ok, doing it now again |
| 19:33.14 | tw | Vanfanel: you shouldn't need to do it again. |
| 19:33.30 | jelly | greycat: you are one of those light background heathens that zsh people clearly ignore, or actively shun |
| 19:33.57 | Vanfanel | tw: I am on a new rootfs, the one on which I did the MAKEDEV stuff was deleted to start over fresh |
| 19:34.08 | Vanfanel | so I should do it again, right? |
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| 19:34.34 | aaii | How i can extract rar file in debian |
| 19:34.38 | sdk | msiism: vim-mode |
| 19:34.45 | aaii | I tried unrar but didnt work |
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| 19:34.58 | tw | Vanfanel: only if /dev is unmounted. If it has udev mounted on it already, MAKEDEV will not help. |
| 19:35.09 | jelly | msiism: zsh was nice bask when bash 2 was missing useful features, both have all the useful stuff now and also copious amounts of fluff |
| 19:35.14 | bites | aaii: unrar x file |
| 19:35.16 | jelly | back* when |
| 19:35.43 | jelly | aaii: you may try rar, but you need non-free sources to install it |
| 19:35.44 | aaii | bites, failed error |
| 19:35.57 | jelly | and then it's rar x file.rar |
| 19:36.34 | Vanfanel | tw: I am going to do it on the HOST machine (X86) where I am creating the aarch64 rootfs, so it's not on a "running" system, but on a chrooted enviroment. Is that right? |
| 19:36.36 | jelly | !non-free sources |
| 19:36.36 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
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| 19:37.01 | msiism | sdk: i'm regularly at war with vim. i bascially do everything in nano. |
| 19:37.06 | tw | Vanfanel: that would be appropriate. |
| 19:37.34 | aaii | jelly, why? free software community dont need rar file? |
| 19:37.39 | nemo | ⥠vim |
| 19:37.47 | bites | "t Test archive files. " sounds like something you could do to check if your archive is corrupted. |
| 19:37.48 | jelly | aaii: correct |
| 19:38.12 | aaii | jelly, so why? |
| 19:38.32 | jelly | why what? |
| 19:38.34 | tw | unrar works in all but a few cases. rar is only needed in some rare cases, like the rar file uses the stupid bytecode interpreter feature. |
| 19:38.35 | sdk | msiism: why do you do that to yourself :P |
| 19:39.01 | Vanfanel | tw: When I do 'apt install makedev', I get '/sbin/MAKEDEV: warning: can't read /proc/devices' repeated at the end, when apt is setting makedev. Is that expectec? |
| 19:39.06 | nemo | sdk: I think https://medium.com/@mkozlows/why-atom-cant-replace-vim-433852f4b4d1 sums up nicely what's so awesome about vim ⺠|
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| 19:39.07 | Vanfanel | *expected |
| 19:39.12 | jelly | aaii: why do you need a non-free tool to open a file created with another non-free tool? |
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| 19:39.37 | sdk | nemo: I use vim ;) |
| 19:39.38 | jelly | aaii: I have no idea. If you need it, install it. |
| 19:39.41 | tw | Vanfanel: it's probably okay to ignore, it just means you don't have /proc mounted. |
| 19:39.44 | msiism | sdk: because micro has yet to get another stable release before i can switch to it. |
| 19:39.52 | nemo | sdk: sure sure. I was just agreeing |
| 19:40.14 | nemo | actually, https://ferd.ca/vim-and-composability.html is I guess a bit better on learning the vim "language" |
| 19:40.22 | Vanfanel | tw: not having a /proc mounted makes sense on a chrooted env, doesn't it? |
| 19:40.58 | tw | Vanfanel: yeah, it's probably fine. I think it's just used for automatic detection, but using generic should still work. |
| 19:42.05 | aaii | jelly, tw , thank you for your answers, But rar files created with non-free tool? |
| 19:42.15 | Vanfanel | tw: when running MAKEDEV inside /dev, I get '/sbin/MAKEDEV: no support for generic on this arch'. I don't think that's ok... |
| 19:42.36 | tw | yeah, that's not right. |
| 19:42.38 | Vanfanel | tw: I do 'MAKEDEV generic' |
| 19:42.51 | Vanfanel | so, what's wrong here? Any idea? |
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| 19:44.39 | jelly | aaii: rar and winrar are not free software |
| 19:45.45 | aaii | Oh :| only winrar can zip rar file |
| 19:45.49 | aaii | ? |
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| 19:47.07 | tw | Vanfanel: it's trying to detect your architecture from /proc is my guess; apparently this changes which devices it generates. I'd go back into your working system, bind mount / somewhere else so you can manually create the device node (under the udev mount). |
| 19:47.36 | aaii | tw, this error me : Please check the 'Store archiver output' option to see it. |
| 19:47.38 | aaii | Please check the 'Store archiver output' option to see it. |
| 19:48.11 | aaii | sorry for same messages :( |
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| 19:50.24 | jelly | aaii: there are different versions and features of .rar archive format, unrar and 7z handle some but not all of them, and native tools are supposed to |
| 19:50.38 | Vanfanel | tw: I don't get you. Should I go into the native aarch64 system? do you mean booting the rootfs? |
| 19:50.52 | Vanfanel | *booting into |
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| 20:00.25 | tw | Vanfanel: yeah, once you're booted do something like mkdir -p /mnt/rootfs && mount --bind / /mnt/rootfs && cd /mnt/rootfs/dev , then mknod the tty1. |
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| 20:02.36 | Vanfanel | tw: shouldn't I run 'MAKEDEV generic' instead of mknod the tty1, as the tutorial says? |
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| 20:06.48 | msiism | nemo: what bothers me about vim is that it is already in an editing mode before you've hit 'i'. and as i often forgert to hit 'i' before i type, i end up doing strange things to text files by accident in many situations. neno always being in "record mode" is very simple in comparison. and if i was using an editor that has modes, i'd like it if it would keep files read-only until i select one of its modes. |
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| 20:07.10 | msiism | nemo: vim's syntax highlighting is very neat, though, which is why i sometimes write stuff in vim. nano is terrible at highlighting. |
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| 20:07.30 | nemo | msiism: pathogen+ale is nice too |
| 20:07.58 | wm4 | what adds the /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/ include paths when building something? (the last path component is the target arch) |
| 20:08.02 | amcorreia | https://dpaste.de/fWb2 This is a fresh install. some apt-get install breaks like this |
| 20:08.09 | nemo | msiism: as for editing mode before you've hit i - there *is* https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-open-file-tab-in-vim-in-readonly-on-linuxunix/ |
| 20:08.09 | wm4 | or is libsdl2-dev just broken |
| 20:08.24 | nemo | msiism: betcha it's possible to cancel that "edit mode by default" in your .vimrc too. let's see |
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| 20:08.59 | nemo | msiism: interesting. insert mode is NOT default |
| 20:09.17 | nemo | msiism: that means you must have an alias to vim -c or something similar in your config |
| 20:09.29 | wm4 | anything simply using pkg-config for building against SDL2 fails right now on debian unstable |
| 20:09.37 | nemo | msiism: I just verified on my vim 'cause I don't trust my memory w/ things I've used for decades ⺠|
| 20:09.48 | wm4 | how do I revert a package to an older version again? |
| 20:10.07 | wm4 | automatically, not "search and download that old .deb file and install it manually" |
| 20:10.12 | nemo | heh |
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| 20:10.28 | greycat | wm4: you don't. |
| 20:10.29 | nemo | wm4: synaptic has force version - that's what I use when I don't just do dpkg -i --force-all from the /var cache ⺠|
| 20:10.40 | msiism | nemo: i'm afraid i don't quite follow. insert mode is not the default for me in vim. but you can still edit in the default mode. notably use dd and p and such. |
| 20:10.42 | nemo | greycat: there's been times I've royally botched stuff up and needed to do that |
| 20:10.57 | nemo | msiism: ah. you mean editing-type commands |
| 20:11.02 | greycat | nemo: then you install the .deb file that you had lying around in /var/cache/ or that you downloaded from snapshot. |
| 20:11.03 | nemo | msiism: yeah command mode is indeed the default |
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| 20:11.13 | greycat | but wm4 didn't want to do either of those things, so. |
| 20:11.15 | nemo | msiism: ok. so you want the opposite then. alias vim to vim -c |
| 20:11.33 | wm4 | nemo: apt deletes the old package fgrom /var |
| 20:11.37 | nemo | greycat: synaptic will let you force too no? nothing wrong with using a gui? |
| 20:11.39 | tw | Vanfanel: as long as udev isn't mounted, that works too. |
| 20:11.40 | msiism | nemo: right, that's my problem. because vim does not use meta-key combinations for, e.g. delting a line. |
| 20:11.47 | msiism | nemo: ok, i'll try that |
| 20:11.49 | wm4 | greycat: then what do I do |
| 20:12.12 | greycat | I have no clue what synaptic does. Apparently it actually works now, unlike the time right after stretch's release when we were bombarded with "why is synaptic saying _apt something something .gpg file" |
| 20:12.22 | nemo | msiism: er. vim -c 'startinsert' sorry |
| 20:12.26 | nemo | msiism: or put it in your .vimrc |
| 20:12.36 | nemo | msiism: and no, I didn't actually know that, I had to look it up ⺠|
| 20:13.04 | greycat | But if synaptic somehow lets you automatically grab versions from snapshot.d.o I will be somewhat surprised. |
| 20:13.11 | nemo | msiism: I just put it as last line in my .vimrc and it worked as expected |
| 20:13.26 | Vanfanel | tw: the problem is that I don't really know if I only need /dev/tty1 before udev starts so systemd can print to screen, or something else... do you need for sure mknod for tty1 will work?? |
| 20:13.31 | nemo | removes it before he screws himself up |
| 20:13.49 | msiism | nemo: :) well, 'startinsert' sounds like bein in insert mode by default. what i would want is: read-only-mode by default and having to select a mode before i can even make any change. |
| 20:14.02 | nemo | greycat: well. it lets you switch between versions you have available from your various sources |
| 20:14.03 | Vanfanel | tw: also, what parameters does 'mknod tty1' need? |
| 20:14.06 | nemo | greycat: like backports vs stable |
| 20:14.11 | tw | Vanfanel: No, but based on your symptoms, probably. |
| 20:14.14 | greycat | sure, OK, that is not a surprise |
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| 20:14.25 | msiism | nemo: that would even be better than mode-less editors. |
| 20:14.33 | wm4 | greycat: not sure if that talk about synaptic is also directed at me, but I don't use synaptic |
| 20:14.45 | nemo | msiism: wow. that's... aggressive. but hm. alright |
| 20:14.53 | nemo | msiism: let's see what vim readonly mode allows once you've launched in it |
| 20:15.04 | greycat | wm4: nemo is the one who mentioned synaptic, and my responses were to nemo's comments |
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| 20:15.39 | msiism | nemo: i don't know what it is, but i happen to do type accidentally into files quite often. but i'm not even computing drunk... |
| 20:16.17 | nemo | msiism: https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-open-file-tab-in-vim-in-readonly-on-linuxunix/ might be sufficient then. would drive me bonkers tho since you have to :w! force write |
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| 20:17.25 | tw | Vanfanel: probably mknod -m 620 tty1 c 4 1 |
| 20:18.08 | msiism | nemo: ok, thanks. |
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| 20:20.02 | Vanfanel | tw: well, now I have tty1 and tty2 even on the chrooted enviroment, but kernel and systemd are still silent... :( |
| 20:20.07 | nemo | msiism: actually. I have an even better solution for your problem ð |
| 20:20.12 | nemo | msiism: less myfile |
| 20:20.19 | nemo | msiism: when you're ready to edit... "v" |
| 20:20.59 | tw | Vanfanel: hmm, do you have the `quiet` command line argument, or have the console set as something else? |
| 20:21.13 | msiism | nemo: ok, din't know that. that's cool (it lands me in nano) |
| 20:21.33 | Vanfanel | tw: nope. On the kernel commandline, I have 'console=tty1', and there's no 'quiet' parameter of course |
| 20:21.48 | nemo | msiism: just gotta change your EDITOR ⺠|
| 20:21.54 | msiism | nemo: right |
| 20:21.56 | tw | Vanfanel: maybe try tty0? |
| 20:21.59 | Vanfanel | tw: I haven't an /etc/inittab file, but I don't think that's related... |
| 20:22.18 | msiism | nemo: i think i don't even have that defined...no, i don't. |
| 20:22.22 | nemo | huh |
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| 20:22.39 | msiism | nemo: it's probably working through the laternatives system. |
| 20:22.46 | msiism | alternatives* |
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| 20:23.36 | nemo | msiism: ah. yeah. probably |
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| 20:23.58 | Vanfanel | tw: I tried 'console=tty0' but that doesn't change anything. |
| 20:24.01 | nemo | msiism: my .bashrc is a couple of decades old and first thing I copy on new machines so I probably never get to even know what the debian default is |
| 20:24.15 | Vanfanel | tw: thing is that the shutdown messages ARE printed on screen! |
| 20:24.23 | Vanfanel | tw: only missing the boot messages |
| 20:24.33 | tw | Vanfanel: I'm out of ideas then, I guess you could try debug, but I'm not sure how that would help. |
| 20:24.56 | tw | Vanfanel: for arm, I'm usually using ttyS0 anyway =/ |
| 20:25.04 | Vanfanel | tw: don't worry, you have tried to help me very hard |
| 20:25.35 | msiism | nemo: ok, i see. i've only been using linux for a bit more than a decade yet... |
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| 20:27.06 | ChmEarl | Vanfanel , Stretch or later can easily create a cross-compilation toolchain using pbuilder, install pbuilder with qemu-debootstrap included |
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| 20:27.36 | ChmEarl | Vanfanel the set your arch to aarch64 and create a new chroot |
| 20:28.16 | tw | it'll probably also build a lot faster. |
| 20:28.17 | nemo | msiism: perfectly respectable time period ⺠|
| 20:30.06 | Vanfanel | ChmEarl: how would that help me? the system works, I am missing something on /dev on boot before udev starts (or some similar problem). Why would rebuilding the rootfs with a different method help? |
| 20:30.32 | ChmEarl | Vanfanel, somehow I thought your host was amd64? |
| 20:30.57 | Vanfanel | ChmEarl: my host is amd64, yes. The target is aarm64. |
| 20:31.16 | Vanfanel | ChmEarl: rootfs creation speed is not a problem |
| 20:31.36 | Vanfanel | the problem is that systemd and the kernel don't print anything on screen |
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| 20:41.49 | jhutchins_wk | nemo: Thanks for that editing trick, I had forgotten it. |
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| 20:47.08 | msiism | nemo: well, the annyoing thing about read-only mode is not actually having to give it :w!, but being bothered by a warning when you switch to insert mode. |
| 20:47.32 | msiism | nemo: that awrning makes sense, though |
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| 20:50.18 | AlexPortable | How can I add private CA (letsencrypt) to system PKI ? |
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| 20:51.01 | petn-randall | AlexPortable: letsencrypt is a public CA that's already included. |
| 20:51.23 | AlexPortable | well apparently not, wget says the certificate is not trusted |
| 20:51.40 | petn-randall | AlexPortable: Do you have a link? |
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| 20:51.53 | AlexPortable | browser says it's fine |
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| 20:53.32 | greycat | wget retrieves a file from my Let's Encrypt https web site without complaint |
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| 20:55.05 | jhutchins_wk | Vanfanel: Edit the grub command line, remove "quiet" |
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| 20:56.08 | Vanfanel | jhutchins_wk: I have no 'quiet' on my commandline. I don't even use GRUB, it's an ARM board |
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| 20:57.57 | petn-randall | AlexPortable: wget here says my LE-signed site is ok, greycat also tested it on his. What error are you exactly getting? Is the site public? |
| 20:58.06 | AlexPortable | no public site |
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| 20:58.32 | AlexPortable | "the certificate is not trusted" "the certificate has an unknown publisher" |
| 20:58.40 | greycat | If it's not public, then I don't know how you passed Let's Encrypt's yes-I-am-the-site-owner validations. |
| 20:58.49 | AlexPortable | well its public in a way |
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| 20:59.16 | AlexPortable | CN Let's Encrypt Authority X3. O Let's Encrypt |
| 20:59.49 | petn-randall | AlexPortable: And you're running wget on stretch? |
| 20:59.55 | AlexPortable | yes |
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| 21:00.39 | petn-randall | AlexPortable: Are you also sending the intermediate certificate? |
| 21:00.49 | AlexPortable | whats that |
| 21:01.01 | petn-randall | writes down "no". |
| 21:01.37 | petn-randall | AlexPortable: An intermediate certificate is a cert that is signed by the CA, and signs your cert in return. For the client to verify it, it must have the whole chain. |
| 21:02.22 | AlexPortable | client = the machine that it's on? |
| 21:02.34 | greycat | "client" in your case being wget |
| 21:02.48 | Vanfanel | tw: want to know something funny? I had systemd printing to screen from the begining, but it was clearing the console before I could read anything... :( |
| 21:02.50 | AlexPortable | how can i send it? |
| 21:02.51 | Vanfanel | XD |
| 21:03.19 | petn-randall | AlexPortable: Check the documentation of your webserver. |
| 21:03.21 | tw | Vanfanel: hah, glad you found it. |
| 21:03.34 | greycat | Vanfanel: https://mywiki.wooledge.org/SystemdNoClear might be helpful |
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| 21:04.02 | Vanfanel | tw: This was a crazy ride, man. Thanks for helping me out, it was nice to have someone giving me ideas and support |
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| 21:04.22 | Vanfanel | tw: not that I have any friends on real life who can help, so really thanks |
| 21:05.36 | AlexPortable | thanks petn-randall |
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| 21:05.55 | n4dir | "It's not as obvious as you think," lol. |
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| 21:07.35 | petn-randall | AlexPortable: you're welcome. Let us know if you could fix it. |
| 21:07.41 | tw | AlexPortable: most LE tools generate a fullchain file or something similarly named. |
| 21:07.46 | AlexPortable | with thanks i meant i fixed it |
| 21:07.57 | AlexPortable | included the chain |
| 21:08.45 | petn-randall | AlexPortable: Ah, ok. Good to hear! |
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| 21:50.39 | pagetelegram | Is there a resolution to installing a debian distro from thumb when installer expects optical disc? |
| 21:50.57 | pagetelegram | trying to install *bunsenlabs* aka #1 |
| 21:51.00 | pagetelegram | #! |
| 21:56.16 | mutante | pagetelegram: yea, installer should offer to use "removable disk" to get drivers/modules from |
| 21:56.35 | mutante | and then you'd use a flash drive |
| 21:57.35 | mutante | pagetelegram: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/i386/ch06s04.html.en |
| 21:58.02 | pagetelegram | Both text and gui based installer are sequantial installer. What can I do to invoke custom install settings to load those drivers. Checking link now thanks if it covers my question then nvm |
| 21:58.48 | mutante | it should offer the option after it detects it cant find a free, included driver for hardware |
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| 21:59.19 | mutante | i only ever needed it for the wifi chipset.. so it would happen at the "detect network" step for me |
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| 22:07.41 | pagetelegram | mutante < so I just unzip the firmware zip in the firmware folder and the installer will know what to do, in this case prompt me to use USB thumb vs Optical? |
| 22:08.23 | mutante | pagetelegram: yea, basically. it should say something about loading from removable media and then detect it |
| 22:09.02 | pagetelegram | great thanks! |
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| 23:05.09 | VinAlencc | Hey, guys. I'd like to create a local domain in my network. I know that SAMBA can provide a PDC, but I don't want to use it. Could you please recommend a software to do this? |
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| 23:21.03 | mrblack | I'm having trouble with a broken packagen... I tried the commonly found solutions such as sudo apt-get update âfix-missing, sudo dpkg âconfigure -a and sudo apt-get -f install.... I'm getting the message "Errors were encountered while processing: warsaw E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" whenever I try to perform any apt/dpkg operation |
| 23:21.59 | mrblack | I'm using Stretch |
| 23:22.14 | n4dir | !bat |
| 23:22.14 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 23:22.33 | n4dir | not saying i could help, probably not, but that will be useful for others to help you, mrblack |
| 23:22.46 | mrblack | thank you, n4dir, I will get those informations. |
| 23:22.55 | n4dir | good luck ! |
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| 23:23.52 | mrblack | n4dir... okay... just BECAUSE I ASKED, one more "random" googled solution simply worked. Sorry to have bother your guys. |
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| 23:24.41 | n4dir | :-) |
| 23:25.07 | mrblack | I needed the good luck, I guess!! |
| 23:25.49 | mrblack | It was this command: sudo dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq warsaw |
| 23:25.58 | mrblack | warsaw was the troublesome package |
| 23:26.36 | n4dir | no kidding, the very same happened to me. Tried to "repair" my monitor for 3 days. Asked in IRC , he told me what (i thought) i already did, and it worked. A miracle ... :-) |
| 23:26.57 | mrblack | yeah |
| 23:27.22 | mrblack | I've had this problem for about a week |
| 23:27.29 | mrblack | lol |
| 23:28.09 | mrblack | the universe likes irony |
| 23:28.24 | n4dir | most here can do apt troubleshooting very well. You should have asked earlier. |
| 23:29.06 | mrblack | yeah |
| 23:29.12 | mrblack | thanks |
| 23:29.25 | mrblack | I guess I'm not used to face dpkg issues |
| 23:29.32 | mrblack | because it never has issues |
| 23:29.38 | mrblack | and that is why I use Debian! :D |
| 23:30.14 | mrblack | I think I was hoping it would fix itself lol |
| 23:30.20 | mrblack | Debian is a beast .( |
| 23:30.22 | mrblack | ;) |
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