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| 00:02.01 | pagetelegram | Any recommendations for a debbie distro that is simple and utilitarian like Bunsenlabs !#++ etc that can boot and install from a USB thumb? |
| 00:02.15 | mrblack | pagetelegram, Antix |
| 00:02.18 | pagetelegram | by simple I mean small. |
| 00:02.24 | pagetelegram | Antix is deb based? |
| 00:02.28 | pagetelegram | thans |
| 00:02.30 | pagetelegram | thanks |
| 00:02.32 | mrblack | yeah |
| 00:02.38 | mrblack | it's very reliable |
| 00:03.33 | mrblack | there's also MX Linux, made by the same people, if you want something full-featured. |
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| 00:04.38 | pagetelegram | I have some propriatory hardware, particularlly need Gobi3000 support, not sure if either supports out of box. |
| 00:04.51 | pagetelegram | That's broadband support |
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| 00:05.51 | mrblack | I had good experiences with those distros regarding proprietary drivers |
| 00:06.02 | mrblack | but you'll only know by testing |
| 00:06.06 | pagetelegram | Looked at both, Antix is what I will use, with openbox. Thanks again |
| 00:06.15 | mrblack | ;) good luck |
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| 02:56.27 | karlpinc | mrblack: The trouble with proprietary drivers is that when they become unsupported your hardware stops working. As long as I'm going to the trouble of setting something up I don't want to have to revisit the problem. Others have other preferences. |
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| 03:01.43 | mrblack | karlpinc, makes sense |
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| 03:02.16 | pyex | hi, in new, how i can download all packages for store? |
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| 03:05.19 | karlpinc | pyex: ? What are you trying to do? |
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| 03:06.41 | pyex | karlpinc: if i lost internet i want to store lib.deb files |
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| 03:16.10 | karlpinc | pyex: What set of packages do you want to have a local copy of? |
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| 03:32.49 | pyex | karlpinc: i want to lib packages |
| 03:33.17 | pyex | karlpinc: starts with lib |
| 03:33.19 | karlpinc | pyex: You want all the packages with "lib" in the name? |
| 03:33.33 | pyex | is it possible? |
| 03:34.01 | karlpinc | pyex: It's a computer, everything's possible. But that's very very many packages, and lots of data. |
| 03:34.16 | karlpinc | pyex: Every lib* package in debian? |
| 03:34.40 | pyex | karlpinc: most important lib packages :) |
| 03:35.55 | pyex | karlpinc: most using lib packages |
| 03:35.59 | karlpinc | pyex: The easy way is to download the first N number of debian dvd images. You could burn them to dvd. They contain the most popular packages. Later dvds containing increasingly less popular packages. |
| 03:36.19 | pyex | karlpinc: please give me a link |
| 03:36.20 | karlpinc | pyex: You get packages that are not lib* packages though. |
| 03:37.11 | karlpinc | !iso |
| 03:37.11 | dpkg | [iso] CD image, a file containing an ISO 9660 standard filesystem. Debian CD/DVD images are available at http://www.debian.org/CD . Also ask me about <netinst> and <check iso image>. To download via BitTorrent or Jigdo, ask me about <bittorrent>, <jigdo>. Debian CD image FAQ: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/ See also <vendors>, <cd1>, <missing iso>, <blu-ray disc>, <iso mount>, <iat>. |
| 03:38.03 | karlpinc | pyex: What are you really trying to accomplish? Just wanting lib* packages is kind of odd. |
| 03:38.13 | pyex | karlpinc: cd or dvd ? |
| 03:38.28 | karlpinc | pyex: Your choice. |
| 03:39.14 | karlpinc | pyex: Aptitude, and I think apt-get (and maybe just apt) keeps the packages you've recently installed in a cache. I suspect in /var/lib/. (For your information.) |
| 03:40.13 | karlpinc | pyex: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 03:40.16 | pyex | karlpinc: i want to lib* packages for store ready to dependences libraries |
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| 03:40.42 | pyex | karlpinc: i stored this location : /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 03:40.46 | karlpinc | pyex: But why just libraries? There are other dependencies. Lots of them. |
| 03:41.37 | pyex | karlpinc: because most depend for lib |
| 03:41.56 | karlpinc | pyex: /var/cache/apt/archives/ is where apt puts any package it downloads. You should not be messing with that directory, except possibly to copy *.deb files from there. |
| 03:42.29 | pyex | karlpinc: i dont know to /var/cache/apt/archives/ , i looking it |
| 03:43.46 | karlpinc | pyex: I'm not sure that it's an accurate statement to say that most dependencies are library dependencies. It probably depends on how you count. Regardless, if a single dependency is missing you won't be able to install the package. I think downloading the debian dvd images is probably the right choice for you. The DVD images are designed to be used by people without access to the Internet. That's pretty much why they exist. |
| 03:45.03 | karlpinc | pyex: /var/cache/apt/archives/ is only useful in that it is often a lot of what is already on your computer. |
| 03:45.35 | pyex | karlpinc: with you suggestion i have downloading debian dvd, i using different linux based on debian. |
| 03:45.46 | karlpinc | pyex: You can also burn the DVD images (or CD images) to DVDs (or CDs) so you don't have to use up hard drive space. If that's an issue. |
| 03:46.07 | karlpinc | !based on debian |
| 03:46.08 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 03:46.44 | karlpinc | pyex: There's little point in downloading debian images for a based-on-Debian os. You need to talk to the people who make your OS. |
| 03:46.56 | pyex | karlpinc: right, im happy, only one dvd iso, and i can find depend if i lost internet. |
| 03:47.42 | pyex | karlpinc: thank you very much |
| 03:49.04 | pyex | karlpinc: debian dvd have 3 disc |
| 03:49.26 | pyex | karlpinc: its sum 12gb |
| 03:51.18 | karlpinc | pyex: I believe there's a lot more dvds than that. I seem to recall more than 12. Perhaps something has changed.... |
| 03:52.41 | karlpinc | Guess so. |
| 03:53.36 | karlpinc | They must be making only the first few dvds. Probably because people would download all of them and very probably don't ever need more than the first few. |
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| 03:55.58 | annadane | er... snapshots? |
| 03:56.00 | annadane | !snapshots |
| 03:56.00 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 03:56.12 | annadane | no idea if it's on there |
| 03:56.19 | annadane | organized by cd, i mean |
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| 03:57.30 | karlpinc | annadane: I'd never expected so, but never looked either. |
| 03:58.09 | karlpinc | annadane: All the same, he's not using debian. Makes me wonder why he wants debian packages. Sounds sure to break things, but maybe not. |
| 03:58.41 | pyex | karlpinc: thank you again, see you. |
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| 04:28.05 | comphuse | Have been using libvirt to manage my KVM guests on my laptop. Starting from yesterday, the networking of the guests stopped working. packet are not comming out. Here are my iptable rules: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YwhkDcPmkD/ |
| 04:28.11 | comphuse | anyone experiencing the same problem here? |
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| 04:31.08 | annadane | just to be clear, you're using debian? (ubuntu paste site) |
| 04:31.15 | annadane | just that the problem may be ubuntu specific |
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| 04:33.41 | comphuse | Yep. Debian Testing |
| 04:34.01 | comphuse | Sorry, I forgot to mention. I am using Debian testing with firewalld. |
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| 04:35.02 | annadane | !debian-next |
| 04:35.02 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 04:37.36 | comphuse | Thank you! |
| 04:47.33 | comphuse | Turned out to be an upstream bug. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=909574 https://github.com/firewalld/firewalld/issues/397 reverting firewalld backend back to iptables mitigates the problem currently. |
| 04:47.59 | annadane | oh, yeah, i should've at least indicated to you to check the bts, sorry |
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| 04:51.22 | comphuse | I actually checked. Didn't think of firewalld since the iptable rules look normal. I was checking the apt log (again) to see what could I have missed, then firewalld popped up. |
| 04:51.45 | comphuse | Thanks anyway. |
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| 05:00.56 | outoftime | Is it hard to live and work under debian after ubuntu? |
| 05:04.57 | annadane | guess the answer is it depends on what you want your system for. stable is made to basically just work, one consequence of that is older software but wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian has advice on if you need something newer |
| 05:05.18 | annadane | like putting it in /usr/local, etc |
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| 05:11.48 | outoftime | annadane: I have loots of issues with ubuntu 18.04 and I'm looking for distro that will live for decades without need to change it again. IMHO, first things I'm worring about is wifi on notebook because it is rt3290 which had horrible support. I'm going to migrate all machines (my and my parent's, sister's) |
| 05:13.23 | annadane | apt-file search rt3290 gives firmware-misc-nonfree: /lib/firmware/rt3290.bin |
| 05:13.56 | annadane | so probably what you're looking for is in that package. if you're installing over wifi then there are images with non-free (as in not libre, debian is 100% free software by default) firmware |
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| 05:24.13 | karlpinc | outoftime: Debian does upgrade in place so you can keep up-to-date (every few years) with the latest stable release. And has lots of packages. Like ubuntu for grown-ups. (Debian does not suggest what packages you need to install to get some command your shell fails to find.) Do read wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian. There are no ppas. |
| 05:26.36 | karlpinc | outoftime: If you're going to connect to the Internet you need to keep up with security updates. Debian does have long term support -- although I'm not sure it's offically adopted or in long-term trial. But as long as you're going to upgrade sooner or later you may as well do it every few years when a new stable version comes out. No reason to run something in long-term support where you may or may not have an obscure package |
| 05:26.36 | karlpinc | installed which is does not have long-term support. |
| 05:28.33 | annadane | more specifically stable releases are fully supported (ish) for 3 years; every 2 years or so there's a new stable release but it's still supported for another year. after that the unofficial LTS project takes over for more server-side packages for... however long that is |
| 05:28.49 | annadane | i think it's another 2 or so years, but not for all packages |
| 05:29.19 | annadane | certainly not really user-facing applications AFAIK |
| 05:29.33 | annadane | !lts |
| 05:29.34 | dpkg | Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <jessie-lts> and see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
| 05:30.09 | annadane | that said yeah most people will want to upgrade to the newest stable immediately upon release |
| 05:30.50 | annadane | debian-security-announce@lists.debian.org is a good mailing list to subscribe to, see https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ |
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| 05:34.38 | annadane | and uh i guess i'll spam this some more because i wrote the factoid |
| 05:34.40 | annadane | !newcomer |
| 05:34.40 | dpkg | Welcome to Debian! Here's some resources to help you on your merry way: The Debian Handbook: https://debian-handbook.info/ Reference manual: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ FAQ: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ - reading https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian is also a very good idea. |
| 05:35.35 | annadane | (that handbook is a bit outdated. it's still decent for most things) |
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| 05:36.21 | annadane | still, it really ought to be updated some time before buster |
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| 05:42.31 | outoftime | Started to read provided links one by one. I have only one machine - dev machine, that require lates software, all other have to be configured once and be able to work for few year up to next release. |
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| 05:44.17 | annadane | yeah, that's what it's good for, you can just leave it alone |
| 05:44.36 | annadane | except basically security updates and occasional bug fixes |
| 05:45.02 | annadane | the only reboots which are required AFAIK are microcode and kernel updates |
| 05:47.19 | annadane | sadly though, if one needs new packages, as DontBreakDebian indicates, you really can't use PPAs or use ubuntu packages in debian |
| 05:47.37 | annadane | (though one can create debian packages from PPAs and backport your own packages) |
| 05:49.23 | annadane | man, that's a long explanation for "how do i use debian coming from ubuntu". i should simplify my explanations |
| 05:53.45 | karlpinc | The <ssb> factoid is always helpful -- how to backport something newer. I've been doing more python lately. No need for backports with virtual environments. Nice. |
| 05:57.02 | annadane | the thing with ssb is i just wonder how you keep your packages up to date |
| 05:57.09 | annadane | besides check every upstream website |
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| 05:57.30 | annadane | and then if it does go up to date, whether it still even backports properly |
| 05:57.45 | annadane | i'm toying with just going the /usr/local route |
| 05:58.02 | annadane | (which still has the same problem of course but it's not explicitly backported) |
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| 05:59.57 | annadane | anyway, different use cases for different people |
| 06:02.19 | karlpinc | annadane: Keeping up to date with security is a problem as soon as you deviate from supported debian repos. If you're smart you use only 3rd party stuff with a way of pushing security announcements to you, say via email. |
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| 06:02.46 | annadane | yep. so that's why i'd never do it, personally |
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| 06:03.25 | karlpinc | annadane: You know about <stow> for managing /usr/local/? The factoid has other useful factoids referenced as well. |
| 06:03.34 | annadane | yeah, i'm aware of stow |
| 06:05.07 | annadane | debian needs freebsd's ports thing :P |
| 06:05.08 | michael2 | anyone here running a nextcloud server on debian? |
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| 06:06.10 | karlpinc | !ask |
| 06:06.11 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 06:07.05 | annadane | any ports thing needs a generic "update all" command like apt does with packages in the debian repo |
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| 06:07.19 | annadane | ports/third party software not generallly already included |
| 06:07.24 | karlpinc | annadane: Ports was why I switched to Linux. |
| 06:07.31 | michael2 | Is is possible to install nextcloud via apt? |
| 06:07.44 | karlpinc | ,v nextcloud |
| 06:07.46 | judd | No package named 'nextcloud' was found in amd64. |
| 06:08.12 | outoftime | annadane: @karlpinc, have no idea what factoid and stow is, more over, I think I'm gone for now, too much new info for short amount of time. Thank you for advices. |
| 06:08.45 | michael2 | I think stow is some kind of dotfiles manager? |
| 06:08.57 | karlpinc | outoftime: A factoid is what the bot says. Try typing: /msg dpkg factoid |
| 06:09.22 | karlpinc | outoftime: We type factoid names with <> braces around them. |
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| 06:10.21 | karlpinc | outoftime: After /msg dpkg ... the bot should talk back to you. If you don't see anything then you need to do something or another in whatever IRC client you are using. |
| 06:11.26 | outoftime | karlpinc: looks like !name in #ubuntu channel |
| 06:12.58 | karlpinc | michael2: So, debian has no "nextcloud" package. If you want to install it on debian with apt you'd better be really sure that whoever is managing the package repository you would use has packaged in a way that does not break Debian. See the <don't break debian> factoid. :) |
| 06:13.49 | karlpinc | outoftime: We have the dpkg bot and the judd bot. dpkg has factoids on both. |
| 06:15.30 | outoftime | karlpinc: if I'll boot with liveusb, will I be able to create PPPOE connection? |
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| 06:26.25 | diskawrs | Hi, I was wondering if someone could help with my sanity. I setup a new mail server postfix/dovecot the usual. Moved my DNS 24hours or so ago, check with various dns server and third party tools/site, seems propagation is all good but when I try to connect to my imap server, it keeps going to the old server. dnscache flushed, connects to the right imap, 5mins later it switches to the old server again. |
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| 06:26.31 | diskawrs | Tried using mutt, thunderbird etc, am I going insane? |
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| 06:34.48 | karlpinc | outoftime: Yes. If you install the PPOE package in a way that keeps it on the usb stick after boot. |
| 06:36.10 | karlpinc | diskawrs: Your upstream dns has not flushed it's cache. Perhaps your plasticrouter could use a reboot? |
| 06:37.03 | karlpinc | diskawrs: That'd be my guess. |
| 06:38.01 | diskawrs | karlpinc set resolver to google which has returned the right IP/hostname. |
| 06:38.26 | karlpinc | diskawrs: There's also nothing magic about 24 hours. What counts is the TTL of both the MX record and the A record it points to. (Assuming the MX record changed.) |
| 06:39.53 | diskawrs | karlpinc: dnstracker and the likes all return the correct values. |
| 06:40.11 | karlpinc | diskawrs: You could check the NS records in your domain's zone, as well as the NS glue records in the parent domain, and make sure you're hitting the right nameserver for the domain. |
| 06:40.53 | karlpinc | diskawrs: Go straight to the authorative servers with a tool like dig and look for yourself. |
| 06:41.39 | diskawrs | yea and it all as expected |
| 06:41.51 | diskawrs | but if I try to do a test like openssl s_client -connect imap.ctrlaltrage.com:993 |
| 06:42.38 | karlpinc | diskawrs: Maybe use "getent hosts imap.ctlaltrage.com" and see what the resolver tells you? Is /etc/nsswitch (iirc) looking at the dns databases you expect? |
| 06:42.47 | diskawrs | It goes to easymail.ca :/ which is the old host |
| 06:43.46 | karlpinc | diskawrs: Well, what dbs is the resolver using? Maybe /etc/hosts is borked, or something. I can't figure out why it would be right sometimes though. That sounds more like dns. |
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| 06:44.15 | diskawrs | lack of sleep |
| 06:44.22 | diskawrs | I am sure it's seomthing really stupid |
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| 06:45.44 | outoftime | Why there are 3 dvd's https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
| 06:46.03 | diskawrs | this just makes no sense, dig/nslookup ok, do a test like curl --url "imap://imap.ctrlaltrage.com/" --user "username" and it goes to the wrong server |
| 06:46.05 | karlpinc | diskawrs: My /etc/nsswitch.conf tells me it's using mdns4_minimal. I forget what that is, but maybe a daemon needs restarting. I also hate avahi and always turn it off. Maybe it's doing some magic. But re-check your /etc/resolv.conf. I now have the feeling that dhcp is resetting it. If dhdp is from $plasticrouter and the router is stupid then it needs rebooting. |
| 06:46.22 | karlpinc | diskawrs: curl is using your resolver, not just dns. |
| 06:47.09 | diskawrs | mm |
| 06:47.26 | diskawrs | shouldn't the default lookup always go to what I set in resolv.conf? |
| 06:47.49 | karlpinc | diskawrs: Sometimes resolv.conf is set by dhcp. If your lease renews then resolv.conf is reset. |
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| 06:48.47 | karlpinc | diskawrs: NetworkManager also does horrid things to resolv.conf. I always throw it away. YMMV. |
| 06:49.50 | diskawrs | reboot plastic virginbox crap time. |
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| 06:51.22 | karlpinc | diskawrs: You can change the dhclient config to ignore the dhcp server's nameserver recommendations and regain control of your resolv.conf. If that's your issue. |
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| 06:56.00 | karlpinc | outoftime: Because there's, IIRC, over 100GB of packages in debian stable. But most people use only the most common ones. The more common packages the lower the number of the dvd on which the package appears. But because people are stupid debian has packaged only the first 3 dvds, otherwise people would download them all and waste debian bandwidth. The last sentence is just a guess. |
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| 06:59.16 | diskawrs | karlpinc: stupid virgin cachedns it is! |
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| 07:00.40 | karlpinc | outoftime: I lied. There are 311GB of packages in debian stable for the 64 bit architecture. |
| 07:00.52 | karlpinc | diskawrs: Did you see my comment above about dhclient? |
| 07:00.57 | diskawrs | yea |
| 07:01.37 | diskawrs | at least thats sorted now, now to figure out why it is refusing connection for SSL/imap (firewall is open). |
| 07:02.01 | karlpinc | diskawrs: I hate that part. |
| 07:02.34 | karlpinc | diskawrs: auth logs. dovecot logs. |
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| 07:03.31 | diskawrs | would help if I had some sleep |
| 07:03.32 | diskawrs | lol |
| 07:03.51 | outoftime | karlpinc: so, those DVD's are just minimal system + top of 311G of packages? |
| 07:03.54 | diskawrs | PLus I not touched anything *nix in er mmm years. |
| 07:04.02 | karlpinc | diskawrs: And then there's sasl. Soldierolger on! |
| 07:04.19 | diskawrs | hush .... |
| 07:04.41 | karlpinc | outoftime: Those dvds are the most common packages in 311G of packages. |
| 07:05.12 | karlpinc | outoftime: A minimal system is what's on the netinstall. I forget, 100MB or so? |
| 07:05.31 | outoftime | karlpinc: I'm reading https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/installmanual I hope I'll find answer on question how to make bootable usb (I new about dd, need *.iso) |
| 07:05.54 | karlpinc | outoftime: There's one step up from absolute minimal that's usually the right choice when installing something small. |
| 07:06.23 | karlpinc | !tell outoftime about live |
| 07:06.23 | diskawrs | karlpinc: tell you what, letsencrypt and certbot gave me a headache for a couple of hours. mixed instructions everywhere. WOuld have taken me less time to sign the darn certificate myself. |
| 07:06.26 | outoftime | karlpinc: I need to configure PPPoE for netinstall |
| 07:07.00 | outoftime | karlpinc: no sence to talk right now, I have to read that installing manual first |
| 07:07.49 | karlpinc | outoftime: You may need expert mode to setup pppoe from netinstall. But easier is to follow the debian live instructions and install an existing image on a usb stick. I'd bet the include pppoe on the images, at least some of them. |
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| 07:08.30 | karlpinc | outoftime: You _can_ install on a usb stick, but somebody else has already done the work! |
| 07:10.02 | karlpinc | diskawrs: I always use "certonly" with certbot. |
| 07:11.50 | outoftime | karlpinc: do you mean https://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ ? |
| 07:12.26 | karlpinc | http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ But really: |
| 07:12.28 | karlpinc | !live |
| 07:12.28 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. See also <live firmware>. For Debian 8 "Jessie", you CANNOT install in <UEFI> mode from a Debian Live image. See <live stretch>. |
| 07:13.05 | karlpinc | The <live firmware> factoid may be critical because you may need non-free firmware to use all your hardware. |
| 07:13.35 | karlpinc | outoftime: A live image is something you can install on your usb stick and boot from it. |
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| 07:14.09 | karlpinc | outoftime: You don't "install" you just copy it on, following the official instructions, which I'm sure say to use "dd". |
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| 07:16.03 | karlpinc | outoftime: But be warned, this may overwrite the usb stick's existing partition table destroying any data already on the stick. And it may make it hard to reformat the stick and remove the live debian image. (Flash hardware can be wierd when it comes to ensuring you're addressing the bottommost addresses where boot stuff lives.) |
| 07:16.49 | outoftime | karlpinc: yes, I'm using ubuntu since 13.10 I had most of this issues |
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| 07:22.39 | outoftime | karlpinc: I'm reading russian version of https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/installmanual and there are some sentances that aren't translated, how can I help with translation? |
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| 07:24.03 | outoftime | I found an answer in the manual, in the end of it. |
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| 07:25.14 | karlpinc | outoftime: I was just looking there :) |
| 07:26.53 | diskawrs | karlpinc: how do I see why the mail clinet is not connecting on the server side? mail.log .err don't provide any usefull info |
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| 07:27.05 | karlpinc | outoftime: I would think that the live images contain the pppoe and pppoe-config packages. If not download the *.deb files for the packages and put them somewhere where you can see them after booting with the live image. Use the "dpkg --install foo.deb" command to install them into your live image. |
| 07:27.38 | karlpinc | outoftime: apt-get download pppoe ... |
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| 07:29.14 | karlpinc | diskawrs: You might need the auth.log. You might need to turn up dovecot's logging verbosity. You might need to look in syslog, which has about everything all together. Short answer: I forget. |
| 07:29.56 | diskawrs | ah did read that earlier about dovecot logging. |
| 07:29.56 | karlpinc | diskawrs: Don't forget to restart your daemons after config changes. |
| 07:30.21 | diskawrs | I should probaly sleep, I know mail is coming in and I can send so, thats good for now. |
| 07:30.30 | karlpinc | diskawrs: tail -f is your friend |
| 07:31.12 | outoftime | I understand why there are not so much people in comparison with #ubuntu channel, there is no need to ask anything here (in most cases) RTFM answers most of the questions. |
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| 07:31.37 | diskawrs | lol karlpinc problem with tail is I want to just tail -f the whole /var/log |
| 07:32.27 | karlpinc | outoftime: Also, you'll find more people during "working hours" whatever that is. |
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| 07:33.02 | diskawrs | good I decided not to extend a mail host provider, shows me how much I have forgotten. |
| 07:34.17 | karlpinc | diskawrs: tcpdump on the server is not overkill, just to be sure traffic is flowing. |
| 07:35.22 | karlpinc | diskawrs: Making notes does not help me either. I lose the notes. |
| 07:35.31 | diskawrs | funny thing is azure is so cheap now and it wouldn have taken 1 hour tops to setup a IIS/exchange and etc |
| 07:35.37 | karlpinc | (Although not always.) |
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| 07:36.09 | karlpinc | diskawrs: You could buy a domain and use their one-button email service. ;-) |
| 07:36.15 | diskawrs | M$ does have it's perks |
| 07:36.39 | karlpinc | diskawrs: I'm thinking about any domain registrar. |
| 07:36.57 | diskawrs | ah no, hence why I went back down this route |
| 07:37.06 | diskawrs | I was using easydns/easymail for the past year |
| 07:37.20 | karlpinc | diskawrs: Me too. If you see jelly around ask him all your email questions. |
| 07:37.22 | diskawrs | but having no control of spam/av/traffic just annoyed me |
| 07:38.06 | karlpinc | diskawrs: I too have gone down the self-service email route. |
| 07:38.24 | diskawrs | so next fix IMAP/SSL certificate not available, then SASL, then spamassasin, clam-av and what ever other new jass is about. |
| 07:38.54 | karlpinc | diskawrs: What will you use for your sasl db? |
| 07:41.19 | diskawrs | huh what was it cyrus? |
| 07:41.33 | karlpinc | diskawrs: I frobbed the sasl configs to use /etc/passwd for authentication but not identity and made sure that the accounts have no shell. |
| 07:42.17 | karlpinc | diskawrs: Setting up cyrus seemed painful. If I had to do it again I might use postgresql for authentication, or not. |
| 07:43.08 | diskawrs | not in a rush to do that part to be honest :P |
| 07:43.13 | karlpinc | diskawrs: Although separating identify from authentication was also a job, so I don't know if I came out ahead over cyrus. |
| 07:44.01 | diskawrs | is webmin still a thing? |
| 07:44.06 | karlpinc | diskawrs: I wonder if there's an sqlite option. That sounds straightforward. |
| 07:44.27 | karlpinc | diskawrs: No idea. It's always a nightmare. |
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| 07:44.53 | factor | Can I have Debian stable and install python 3.7 packages? |
| 07:45.57 | karlpinc | diskawrs: Here ya go! sqlite: https://wiki2.dovecot.org/AuthDatabase/SQL |
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| 07:46.40 | karlpinc | factor: Basically no. You can install from source -- with stow, or in $HOME/bin or such. |
| 07:46.52 | factor | karlpinc, ok thanks. |
| 07:47.05 | factor | not familiar with stow. |
| 07:47.12 | karlpinc | factor: You'd install python 3.7 and then use virtual environments. |
| 07:47.26 | karlpinc | !tell factor about stow |
| 07:48.01 | factor | should not need a virtual env, just for another version of python |
| 07:48.25 | factor | I will compile it then and install, make a symlink for current one. |
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| 07:49.03 | karlpinc | factor: Your version of python lives in the OS, but if you need a python distribution that requires 3.7 then you'll need to install it somewhere. You don't want it in the OS, so work from virtual environments. |
| 07:49.22 | factor | /usr/local/bin |
| 07:50.05 | karlpinc | factor: Then you start messing with $PYTHONPATH. I think. You'll probably get good advice about this in #python. |
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| 07:50.27 | karlpinc | factor: They've got the hands on experience. |
| 07:51.49 | karlpinc | ,v python3 |
| 07:51.50 | judd | Package: python3 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2.3-6; jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.3-1; buster: 3.6.6-1; sid: 3.6.6-1 |
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| 07:52.16 | karlpinc | ,v python3.7 |
| 07:52.17 | judd | Package: python3.7 on amd64 -- buster: 3.7.0-1; sid: 3.7.1~rc1-1 |
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| 07:54.57 | factor | I may try forcing the packages for 3.7 in , this is a fresh install . |
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| 07:55.28 | karlpinc | factor: The judd bot knows how to list the requirements for backporting a src package. But I forget how to do it. |
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| 07:56.20 | zhangj | hello , I have a question about how to choose a video card when I enter the KDE desktop on a dual-video card computer? |
| 07:56.46 | karlpinc | factor: I _think_ I asked it once about backporting the python 3.7 package and got a overly formidable list of dependent packages which would need backporting. But it's worth trying to ask judd. Doing a self-backport and having a package is the "right way". See: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 07:57.19 | factor | KDE does display, but card I would imagine is xorg stuff. |
| 07:57.50 | factor | Yes , may try switching to testing for python 3.7 ,as stable comes with 3.6 |
| 07:57.59 | factor | then see if I can switch back for other stuff. |
| 07:58.26 | karlpinc | factor: judd says don't go there with a backport. |
| 07:58.31 | factor | and if that does not work , just upgrade to testing 100% |
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| 07:59.08 | karlpinc | factor: Switching back always causes problems. Sometimes unfixable ones. |
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| 08:00.29 | factor | If I trip that lever I usually end up upgrading all the way to the next version. Will see. |
| 08:00.48 | karlpinc | factor: If it's a fresh install then sure, testing. Although if you're installed on iron you might run stable and then make a vm to run testing in. |
| 08:03.10 | factor | Sounds good. this will be on a little hp stream laptop. Not the server end. |
| 08:05.14 | factor | tensorflow needs 3.7 |
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| 08:07.27 | factor | yeah all sorts of 3.7 comes up when I switched to buster. |
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| 08:11.49 | factor | Looks like it needs the slightly newer version of binutils. Almost did it on this system. Not the laptop. |
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| 08:14.33 | karlpinc | diskawrs: Postfix? |
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| 08:20.09 | karlpinc | diskawrs: http://paste.debian.net/1045117/ |
| 08:20.25 | Faket | Since this morning I can't access my openmediavault admin pannel, I've already reset the admin password with omv-firstaid but this change nothing. Somebody got a hint? |
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| 09:06.48 | Eightynine | Hello. I'm currently maintaining my old notebook and trying to download drivers and software. On my PC I have Debian Testing with KDE5. When I click on computer icon my system asks me to type my password to open HDD. Then it opens but when I'm trying to save files there (I'm using Opera browser) it says "Not enough privelegies". I tried to download |
| 09:06.48 | Eightynine | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:07.39 | petn-randall | Eightynine: What are you doing exactly? Do you have the notebook's HDD connected to your PC? |
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| 09:10.15 | Eightynine | Open vendor's site to download drivers - click to download - message I wrote previously. Yes, it's connected via SATA to my PC. |
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| 09:11.28 | Eightynine | I can't paste or delete to or from that disk. |
| 09:12.09 | mrslaughter1775 | Well, I've pretty much got Debian all set up! |
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| 09:13.07 | mrslaughter1775 | I must admit, I love WeeChat so far! I'm becoming a power user! :D |
| 09:13.14 | diogenes_ | mrslaughter1775, make a snaphot of it |
| 09:13.25 | diogenes_ | and write to the usb |
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| 09:14.04 | mrslaughter1775 | diogenes_: What do you mean? Basically make a version of my exact Debian build as a backup? |
| 09:14.11 | Eightynine | mrslaughter1775 How do you like it? |
| 09:14.23 | Lyberta | what's the tor address for debug packages? |
| 09:14.50 | mrslaughter1775 | Eightynine: I'm in love with it! Doing everything (or at least most things) from the command line is so rewarding! |
| 09:15.14 | mrslaughter1775 | And to any onlookers, I'm a 1337 H4x0r! |
| 09:15.51 | Eightynine | mrslaughter1775 I will clarify my question. I asked about Debian. |
| 09:16.01 | diogenes_ | mrslaughter1775, i mean, if you alrrady setup debian the way you want will all bells and whistles and also installed all the software you need, you can create an clone iso (snapshot) of your current installation and once something goes wrong, you just re-install from that snapshot and in 15 mkinutes you got your full customized installation beack |
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| 09:16.50 | diogenes_ | sorry fot typos grrr |
| 09:16.56 | mrslaughter1775 | Eightynine: Ohhhh. So far, so good! Out of 179 steam games, only 71 are compatible, but that's honestly kind of good because now I'll have a lot less distractions to keep me from learning C. |
| 09:16.57 | diogenes_ | for* |
| 09:17.32 | mrslaughter1775 | Eightynine: As far as stability goes, I've had no problems. Audio, graphics, wireless, everything so far works great. |
| 09:17.36 | diogenes_ | mrslaughter1775, also in steam enable steam play and the majority of games will be compatible |
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| 09:19.05 | mrslaughter1775 | diogenes_: Ah, I see what you're saying. Generate my own .iso in case I break my install. I'll have to google how, but that's something I'm very interested in doing. |
| 09:19.16 | Eightynine | mrslaughter1775 Good luck with lurning :D |
| 09:19.46 | mrslaughter1775 | Especially with all of the tinkering I've been doing. |
| 09:19.52 | mrslaughter1775 | Eightynine: Thanks |
| 09:20.09 | mrslaughter1775 | diogenes_: I didn't even know steam play was a thing! :o |
| 09:20.10 | Eightynine | Do you use Stable or Testing? |
| 09:20.18 | mrslaughter1775 | Eightynine: Stable, of course. |
| 09:20.58 | diogenes_ | mrslaughter1775, for taking a snapshot you can use this (or similar because this is for MX Linux): https://github.com/MX-Linux/mx-snapshot |
| 09:21.41 | Eightynine | I'm on Testing but it works good unlike Canonical's spyware Ubuntu LTS. |
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| 09:23.38 | Eightynine | My opinion is Linux developers are paranoid. Why to use password EVERYWHERE? |
| 09:24.45 | Lyberta | Eightynine, people who use passwords are wrongly paranoid, keys work much better because you can't bruteforce a key in modern crypto |
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| 09:26.19 | Eightynine | But why can't I use my own disk? Windows doesn't do that but Windows is spyware and annoying, so I won't use it. |
| 09:26.27 | mrslaughter1775 | How is the security of Linux out of the box? Is there anything I need to do from a fresh install? |
| 09:26.38 | mrslaughter1775 | Debian 9 Stretch, specifically. |
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| 09:28.01 | Eightynine | Why KDE's file saving option doesn't show me my flash drive? |
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| 09:38.07 | mrslaughter1775 | HexChat supports a friends list. Is there anything like that for weechat? |
| 09:38.32 | mrslaughter1775 | If not, how can I see if someone is online or not? |
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| 09:39.55 | Eightynine | I didn't knew Debian has snapshots. I have 20180309 can I update to newer version? I have old packages (2015-2017) |
| 09:41.18 | cybrNaut | ,v rclone |
| 09:41.19 | judd | Package: rclone on amd64 -- stretch: 1.35-1+b3; buster: 1.41-1; sid: 1.41-1 |
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| 09:47.17 | Eightynine | So what should I do with my system to save, copy or delete files without password? |
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| 09:58.12 | nkuttler | Eightynine: what do you mean, why do you need a password? |
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| 10:04.23 | cybrNaut | i need a newer version of rclone than stretch offers. what's my best move? Should I add the sid repos and get the sid version? |
| 10:05.29 | BenNZ | cybrNaut: if you know how to use apt-pinning , but even then could be risky |
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| 10:07.33 | nkuttler | ,c rclone |
| 10:07.41 | nkuttler | ,v rclone |
| 10:07.42 | judd | Package: rclone on amd64 -- stretch: 1.35-1+b3; buster: 1.41-1; sid: 1.41-1 |
| 10:07.56 | nkuttler | !tell cybrNaut about ssbp |
| 10:08.03 | nkuttler | !tell cybrNaut about backports |
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| 10:08.34 | cybrNaut | i think there is no backport, b/c ,v would have mentioned it |
| 10:09.24 | nkuttler | hence the first !tell |
| 10:10.35 | cybrNaut | yeah, i'm just noticing that |
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| 10:10.56 | cybrNaut | i thought the source versions available would be the same set as the binary versions |
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| 10:12.14 | nkuttler | you get the source from a different release and build the deb yourself |
| 10:12.20 | nkuttler | ,checkbackport rclone |
| 10:12.38 | Eightynine | nkuttler I don't need it but system asks it. I wrote about problem here previously. |
| 10:12.43 | judd | Backporting package rclone in sidâstretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: golang-github-a8m-tree-dev, golang-github-coreos-bbolt-dev, golang-github-djherbis-times-dev, golang-github-dropbox-dropbox-sdk-go-unofficial-dev, golang-github-jlaffaye-ftp-dev, golang-github-okzk-sdnotify-dev, golang-github-patrickmn-go-cache-dev, golang-github-sevlyar-go-daemon-dev, golang- |
| 10:12.44 | judd | github-xanzy-ssh-agent-dev. |
| 10:12.58 | nkuttler | cybrNaut: eh, that's some go app? |
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| 10:13.06 | nkuttler | just build it from source i guess.. |
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| 10:15.27 | cybrNaut | i'm a bit out of touch with some things.. i don't have a grasp on what "go" is, just hear it in chatter a lot lately and feel the stress of yet another language I might be forced to learn |
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| 10:16.39 | nkuttler | i've built a few go apps, was pretty smooth once you install a few gigs of dependencies.oO |
| 10:16.55 | nkuttler | cybrNaut: what do you need rclone for anyway? |
| 10:17.32 | cybrNaut | i need to create a mountpoint to a Onedrive cloud storage |
| 10:17.57 | nkuttler | and the packaged version can't do this? |
| 10:18.37 | cybrNaut | the packaged version supports "onedrive personal" and not "onedrive business", apparently |
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| 10:19.08 | cybrNaut | my school gives gratis onedrive space, but it's a business account, and the newer rclone versions are able to login to the business accounts, supposedly |
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| 10:21.44 | nkuttler | cybrNaut: i mean, you could try a version from here https://rclone.org/downloads/ |
| 10:21.57 | nkuttler | cybrNaut: #debian doesn't support third party packages though, so you're on your own |
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| 10:24.07 | cybrNaut | i was about to add this to sources.list => deb-src tor://deb.debian.org/debian/ sid main |
| 10:24.34 | cybrNaut | but looks easier just to grab that deb file from their site |
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| 10:25.46 | nkuttler | yeah |
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| 11:41.49 | m712 | deb.debian.org is 3-4x faster than ftp.{cc}.debian.org for me, is there a reason for this? |
| 11:41.57 | m712 | not only download speeds but connect speeds as well |
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| 11:59.21 | Akuw | i boot from rescute mode but when try to mount /dev/sda1 i got error Mount filed |
| 11:59.37 | diskawrs | Anyone here use Certbot, this thing is driving me nuts. How do I tell it to append a subdomain to a existing cert? It seems to always assume I am making a cert for use with apache. |
| 12:00.10 | Akuw | there are /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 /dev/sda5 |
| 12:00.16 | Akuw | cant mount none |
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| 12:02.02 | diskawrs | Akuw: ? how you mounting them? |
| 12:02.24 | Akuw | i am using rescue disk |
| 12:02.30 | diskawrs | the command.. |
| 12:02.43 | Akuw | debian has a wizard |
| 12:02.54 | Akuw | can i paste screen? |
| 12:03.20 | diskawrs | if you paste in here, you willget kicked :P |
| 12:03.27 | Akuw | i mean |
| 12:03.32 | Akuw | picpaste |
| 12:03.35 | diskawrs | just mount it manually |
| 12:03.36 | Akuw | in any site |
| 12:03.44 | Akuw | let me see |
| 12:04.07 | warai_otoko | does anyone know if the security branch still works with Jessie? |
| 12:04.46 | warai_otoko | I tried yesterday to update an old powerpc box and this is the only line apt-get update is complaining :-/ |
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| 12:09.38 | art7734 | hello guys |
| 12:10.01 | art7734 | i have issue with debian os and network |
| 12:11.02 | art7734 | i was have https://www.tp-link.com/us/download/TL-WN722N_V2.html |
| 12:11.14 | Akuw | error: Invalid argument but i am using mount /dev/sda1 /media |
| 12:11.15 | art7734 | and debian 9.5 dont recognize device |
| 12:11.40 | art7734 | after few days i didnt solve problem so i bought net device |
| 12:11.45 | art7734 | https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GC-WB1733D-I-rev-10#ov |
| 12:12.09 | art7734 | this have Intel® Wireless-AC 9260 |
| 12:12.25 | art7734 | and i found driver on intel official site |
| 12:12.29 | art7734 | https://www.intel.co.uk/content/www/uk/en/support/articles/000005511/network-and-i-o/wireless-networking.html |
| 12:12.54 | art7734 | i copied drivers to lib firmware and i still dont have network... |
| 12:13.35 | art7734 | im beginner in linux so i asking for helm :) anyone can spend few minutes and helm me? |
| 12:13.36 | art7734 | "_ |
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| 12:15.25 | art7734 | for help* ; also i have issue in connect this pc to network and i must use ubuntu persistant |
| 12:15.28 | Eightynine | How can I install codecs for Opera? |
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| 12:18.38 | diskawrs | Akuw you sure you don't have any soft raid ? |
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| 12:19.57 | diskawrs | Akuw : whats the output of df? |
| 12:21.40 | diskawrs | art7734: think you need somehting like atheros drivers |
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| 12:22.02 | art7734 | but its intel device not atheros |
| 12:22.22 | diskawrs | art7734: step by step I guess then https://wiki.debian.org/HowToIdentifyADevice/USB |
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| 12:22.57 | diskawrs | those usb wifi dongle are always a pain. |
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| 12:26.37 | warai_otoko | there are some websites which sum up USB dongles for Debian system |
| 12:27.19 | warai_otoko | one recommendation is the AR9271 from Atheros |
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| 12:27.53 | warai_otoko | which runs with the firmware-atheros package from the non-free repo ð |
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| 12:28.54 | diskawrs | warai_otoko: :P hence why I said what I did ... but what do I . not used any linux/bsd/solaris/irix distro/os for years |
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| 12:29.06 | art7734 | this is not usb dongle, this is pci device |
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| 12:29.25 | diskawrs | art7734: the article you linked shows a USB Wi-Fi dongle |
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| 12:29.44 | art7734 | i showed two device |
| 12:29.55 | art7734 | first usb stick, and second pci dev |
| 12:30.15 | diskawrs | well I am no wizard of Oz. |
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| 12:30.41 | art7734 | i wrote information about my situation up |
| 12:30.52 | art7734 | please read all because its important |
| 12:31.04 | diskawrs | so wait usb dongle didn't work so you bought a new motherboard? |
| 12:31.11 | art7734 | -.- |
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| 12:31.23 | art7734 | polease read one more time my few posts |
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| 12:31.35 | diskawrs | maybe it's the way you write it :P |
| 12:31.45 | art7734 | https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GC-WB1733D-I-rev-10#ov |
| 12:31.47 | art7734 | this |
| 12:31.57 | art7734 | not working in debian |
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| 12:32.04 | diskawrs | yea thats a motherboard |
| 12:32.11 | diskawrs | so .. |
| 12:32.12 | art7734 | pci device |
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| 12:32.38 | warai_otoko | diskawrs: time to get back on the train :p |
| 12:33.24 | diskawrs | warai_otoko: To Gotham Asylum - where wonderful things happen and free drugs.. |
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| 12:36.45 | warai_otoko | diskawrs: call me Joker then xD |
| 12:36.49 | diskawrs | is firmware-iwlwifi still a thing? |
| 12:38.47 | dvs | ,v firmware-iwlwifi |
| 12:38.48 | judd | Package: firmware-iwlwifi on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-3~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-3; stretch-backports/non-free: 20180825+dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20180825+dfsg-1; sid/non-free: 20180825+dfsg-1 |
| 12:38.59 | art7734 | now i will tries instal ilwifi from sid |
| 12:39.27 | diskawrs | art7734: sorry mate, not been in the pool for a while so a tad rusty but I pretty sure you need something like iwlwifi and to load the firmware |
| 12:41.08 | art7734 | yes i will instal ilwifi from sid to my debian os i hope so it will helm thanks for your time |
| 12:41.30 | pagetelegram | In Installed a DE (WDM in this case) and I want to make that my default DE. Using antiX. (WDM is a WindowMaker clone) |
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| 12:42.27 | art7734 | brb |
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| 12:43.13 | pagetelegram | My preference for DE is either Motif CDE or WindowMaker something...as that is what I prefer and use to in the debian envorinemnt and WindowMakerLive has not been updated to the current debian branch. |
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| 12:43.54 | diskawrs | er mm :P forgot to tell remind him to update before trying and add "non-free" components |
| 12:44.03 | pagetelegram | And only one dude make a CDE deb distro and he disapeared from the face of the *earth* |
| 12:44.56 | diskawrs | pagetelegram: sparky? |
| 12:45.00 | pagetelegram | yea |
| 12:45.53 | pagetelegram | I dug around for the last release of the CDE deb distro and made a site for it....bc all traces of it were removed from the net. |
| 12:46.29 | pagetelegram | tho I'm happy with WDM just not sure how to get it to launch and default DE in Antix |
| 12:46.42 | diskawrs | mm pretty sure it's in pkgsrc or even brew |
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| 12:48.22 | pagetelegram | You mean to suggest to use different packmanager, LinuxBrew? |
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| 12:49.57 | pagetelegram | Also, I forgot to ask more important...Antix comes with library to support R/W of exfat, though still getting mount error. |
| 12:51.14 | pagetelegram | I just went from using Windows 7 and replacing with Antix as hoping to make it my personal environment. |
| 12:51.58 | pagetelegram | And all my data and work is on the exfat part. |
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| 12:53.05 | diskawrs | too much time on your hands? |
| 12:53.06 | diskawrs | :P |
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| 12:56.01 | diskawrs | Not bothered with stuff like that for years now. BSD / Linux only for server applications, MacOSX and Windows does the job just fine but if I really needed to then I would use something like picobsd which has much better backward compatiblitly for old hardware etc |
| 12:58.17 | diskawrs | karlpinc: :D when you see this.... all that troubleshooting and I just had to go to MX tools. certbot.... there was no entry for the mail host itself on the cert, told you sleep and I would be able to see what the studity is / was / still is? |
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| 13:25.39 | galex-713 | Hi |
| 13:25.56 | galex-713 | Control+g doesnât work in xorg anymore, it does something, but not Control+G, see: http://paste.debian.net/1045140/ |
| 13:26.03 | galex-713 | I need it to properly use emacs |
| 13:26.06 | galex-713 | Iâm using i3 |
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| 13:37.42 | nkuttler | galex-713: try a different keyboard? |
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| 13:42.08 | galex-713 | nkuttler: why? Iâm not sure I got one right now but possibly next time |
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| 15:22.32 | pagetelegram | I'm dumbfounded in gparted trying to format thumb drive fat32 to bring to Windows system for a quick task and when I delete partition, create partition to format fat32 on Debian, Windows does not see it. |
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| 15:23.07 | pagetelegram | gpart sees it, Windows does not...not even in Windows diskpart list disks |
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| 15:23.50 | pagetelegram | Before I had this issue i had dd an iso to the thumb drive device. |
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| 15:25.36 | pagetelegram | Is thumb fubar ? |
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| 15:32.41 | petn-randall | pagetelegram: Why not format it on Windows? |
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| 15:39.32 | pagetelegram | Petn bc windows does not see it |
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| 15:41.32 | pagetelegram | because of trying to use drives and sd cards going to and from imaging between Pis & Linux, I have a pile of thumbs and Sd memory I can no longer use. |
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| 15:43.13 | pagetelegram | would be nice if my optical drive would work. Right now, out of question. Booting thumbs is all I can do right now to get anything to install. And I'm sad that I may have corrupted my Gorilla thumb. |
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| 15:44.43 | pagetelegram | And this has been my experience with going between linux and windows with disk imaging...I think perhaps drive geomtries are different and if that the case I do not know what tools fix that. |
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| 15:46.39 | pagetelegram | Utlimately I'm transitioning to Linux only and imaging issues on thumbs has made this process painful |
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| 15:49.41 | petn-randall | pagetelegram: Can you share the output of 'fdisk -l' as root? |
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| 15:54.34 | pagetelegram | .../dev/sdb1 * 2048 31129599 31127552 14.9G b W95 FAT32 |
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| 15:55.33 | pagetelegram | Disk identifier: 0x006c3969 |
| 15:56.26 | pagetelegram | disk label type is dos |
| 15:58.08 | petn-randall | pagetelegram: I'd put the complete output to https://paste.debian.net. |
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| 15:59.50 | pagetelegram | https://paste.debian.net/1045158/ |
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| 16:02.55 | pagetelegram | to me everything looks good. |
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| 16:05.23 | pagetelegram | going to jump in shower...all this started with vulnerable back doors in windows...I was advised to use some linux distro....my knowledge on it's use is novice cli moderate ability with WindowMaker. Only two deb distros still maintained with that DE already setup. I do not like all the other DEs that are popular. I like function over looks (glamour) |
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| 16:07.23 | pagetelegram | Using windows has resulted in my passwords for my hosts to be compromised twice (or anything I log into)....so I've ditched my Windows partition. |
| 16:07.36 | pagetelegram | twice in the last month |
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| 16:09.42 | pagetelegram | back to my issue tho: I have thumbs I can no longer use after I did a dd of an iso to them. |
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| 16:13.40 | abrotman | wonders how many GB a thumb can store .. |
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| 16:19.17 | pagetelegram | Wish the simple days when you can fit an OS on a 40mb hard drive with room to spare. |
| 16:20.00 | pagetelegram | I do have 32mb thumbs for embedded projects. |
| 16:20.32 | at0m | my 40MB PS2 was fun for Prince Of Persia |
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| 16:21.16 | pagetelegram | well the PS2 memory stick just stored game profiles and saved states. |
| 16:21.33 | at0m | IBM PS2 Notebook |
| 16:21.48 | pagetelegram | Oh, I missed that completyl....OS/2? |
| 16:21.54 | pagetelegram | MCA |
| 16:22.10 | at0m | not sure, it's been 30 years :) |
| 16:23.04 | pagetelegram | I can't forget OS/2 tho. And come to think of it I'm sure Microchannel never made it to the thinkpads. |
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| 16:23.47 | at0m | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Personal_System/2 but that's doesnt solve your current disk problem. |
| 16:24.21 | at0m | and yes, thumbdrives are not too stable. either that or burn CD/DVDs. |
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| 16:26.01 | pagetelegram | Thank you...if that's the case then I'll just burn a hole in my pocket with thumbs....Optical not option at this moment. Both optical drives for my laptop have hardware failures....and it's a getac, I can't figure. |
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| 16:27.44 | at0m | i haven't as far as i remember wasted a thumbdrive. but they're sensitive for example to removal during writes |
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| 16:28.11 | at0m | so handle them with care. that has nothing to do with what OS you run. |
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| 17:35.53 | diskawrs | pagetelegram: there are keychain solutions for every platform out there and cross platform too. |
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| 17:41.17 | pagetelegram | Never got in a habit of doing that for fear that I'd loose it all as I've had my equipment stolen before. Cloudbased solutions, maybe. Tho I don't want a stolen laptop to result me in loosing all access to shit. |
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| 17:42.38 | pagetelegram | Anyhow I haven't identified the level of intrusion ie keylogger or something zeroday |
| 17:44.39 | pagetelegram | And I need to get my work going by tommorrow as I have a client for work. I picked up some more thumbs jsut now...no one sells optical drives within bike range. |
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| 17:59.10 | InNoWayAmIAnOwl | How active is this IRC usually? |
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| 18:00.44 | diskawrs | InNoWayAmIAnOwl: depends I guess. |
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| 18:03.23 | annadane | more active on weekdays |
| 18:03.41 | InNoWayAmIAnOwl | Ah. |
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| 18:04.01 | n4dir | due to the people who always claim "i work hard for my money" , i guess. |
| 18:04.15 | diskawrs | lol |
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| 18:06.46 | InNoWayAmIAnOwl | Anyway, I've basically been hopping from channel to channel (before I found out that I have to register with Freenode in order for my messages to show up) looking to get pointed in the right direction for something. |
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| 18:07.20 | InNoWayAmIAnOwl | Yeah, I showed up here about 15 minutes ago, basically shouting into a great and deep void, not realizing the problem. |
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| 18:08.07 | InNoWayAmIAnOwl | I've only ever used IRC web applets that let you use a temporary nickname. |
| 18:08.12 | diskawrs | yea freenode has always had chan/nick whatever serv |
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| 18:08.58 | diskawrs | Kind of pointless now that irc isn't as popular but I always preferred the EF/IRC net style, no services, build your own services and channel defence |
| 18:09.08 | mrslaughter1775 | I'm trying to move two files to a specific directory, but I can't figure it out. |
| 18:09.16 | mrslaughter1775 | Simultaneously* |
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| 18:09.38 | InNoWayAmIAnOwl | Via file manager or terminal? |
| 18:10.02 | Eightynine | Is your installer written in Shell? |
| 18:11.07 | n4dir | mv {file1,file3} /tmp/somedir ; like that. there is a name for {} expansion, but i forgot it. |
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| 18:12.30 | InNoWayAmIAnOwl | Anyway, anyone know any GPL-friendly OpenGL 2/3/4 lessons? Apparently lazyfoo.net isn't, according to their FAQ page. |
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| 18:14.22 | n4dir | duh, brace expansion http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BraceExpansion mrslaughter1775 |
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| 18:15.08 | annadane | write it in 17 different places so you don't forget |
| 18:15.38 | n4dir | the problem of my life: making so much notes that i never find them, annadane ... |
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| 19:26.37 | Ormu | :O |
| 19:27.09 | Ormu | which display managers support wayland and which do not (on Stretch)? I suspect that Lightdm does not |
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| 19:28.51 | Ormu | basically, KDE doesn't start under wayland. And Weston doesn't either, if I try to start it via Lightdm. But Weston does start if I do it from a tty |
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| 19:32.17 | diogenes_ | Ormu, sddm and gdm should support wayland |
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| 19:34.58 | Ormu | diogenes: Ok, thanks. I'll try... |
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| 19:47.30 | Beggar | hi |
| 19:47.51 | diskawrs | hello |
| 19:47.59 | Beggar | What is the best way to change ALLL consoles background color to white and the text to black? |
| 19:48.10 | Beggar | I used setterm but it look too volatile |
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| 19:48.25 | Beggar | if I run top for example the terminal change to back again |
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| 19:49.53 | Beggar | black* |
| 19:50.27 | Beggar | And the msot important, setter did no changed the booting terminal color |
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| 19:54.25 | annadane | er... which consoles, virtual terminals, desktop-specific ones like xfce-terminal, konsole...? |
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| 19:55.22 | diogenes_ | annadane, xfce4 one drop-down |
| 19:55.55 | Beggar | the login one, I have no X11 isntalled |
| 19:56.15 | diogenes_ | :) |
| 19:56.15 | Beggar | the linux console one, and the booting therminal that shows boot up information, etc |
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| 20:07.59 | egrain | i have a weird question. would you understand "introducing something to /dev/null" as deleting it? |
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| 20:11.23 | diskawrs | o.O |
| 20:11.43 | diskawrs | Ë |
| 20:13.55 | diskawrs | egrain: essentially yes, I suppose. |
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| 20:16.01 | egrain | diskawrs, thanks a bunch. |
| 20:17.15 | diskawrs | lol That is a weird question. |
| 20:19.51 | egrain | well, if all goes well you'll think back to this moment and say: AHA! |
| 20:20.49 | egrain | anyway, thank you again. |
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| 20:24.37 | annadane | i think the thing when you enter the channel is "complaints >> /dev/null" |
| 20:24.43 | annadane | so yes, deletion |
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| 20:27.00 | Beggar | cat /dev/zero > /dev/null |
| 20:27.04 | Beggar | time paradox |
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| 20:38.47 | annadane | oh nevermind it's not in the topic |
| 20:38.57 | annadane | it's there in some channel |
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| 20:57.31 | incal | I'm trying to use the units tool to convert 80nm to ft-lb, can anyone figure out the syntax? |
| 20:58.21 | karlpinc | diskawrs: Jolly good on the problem solving. |
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| 21:02.07 | diskawrs | karlpinc: lol Now to crack on with some SPAM. |
| 21:02.18 | diskawrs | Getting bombarded. |
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| 21:30.52 | jhutchins | Beggar: You can set colors in grub, and then the post-grub colors are set by kernel parameters. |
| 21:31.36 | jhutchins | Beggar: The XFCE terminal colors can be set and saved in Edit/Preferences |
| 21:32.06 | jhutchins | Beggar: I'm not sure if the virtual consoles inheret the boot colors, or if you need to set them in your .bashrc |
| 21:32.36 | jhutchins | Beggar: I think the XFCE term colors are set to |
| 21:32.55 | jhutchins | "system colors" by default, so you shouldn't need to set them in both places. |
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| 21:38.27 | Beggar | jhutchins, I do not have X11, on the machine so this is no issue, Thank you for for the kernel point, I was not aware that grub had this capability. I will give it a try when I finish this damn slow upgrade.... weather is very bad here. |
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| 21:43.03 | jhutchins | Beggar: More info if you search "linux boot console colors". |
| 21:43.29 | annadane | hmm i wonder if there are any debian packages for grub themes |
| 21:44.17 | annadane | according to apt search, some |
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| 22:26.49 | enoq | are backports usually an issue when upgrading? |
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| 22:32.08 | enoq | needed a newer certbot version via stretch backports |
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| 22:42.47 | annadane | enoq, depends |
| 22:42.50 | annadane | !bat |
| 22:42.51 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 22:49.26 | tharkun | I am having this weird isue where on one server if I do curl ifconfig.me/ip it takes like forever to get the data when it does not time out. And dig +trace gives me some insane times now and a few minutes later is more or less stable. How can I pin point the underlying fault? |
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| 23:02.54 | pagetelegram | Easy to get wmaker working and default on sparky? Would have used windowmakerlive....just that has not been updated lately. I'm somewhat a novice at loading DEs. |
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| 23:03.09 | thorie | hi, how do i upgrade my linux kernel? |
| 23:03.56 | pagetelegram | thorie, I could be wrong as I'm also novice tho apt-get upgrade && update might do it. |
| 23:04.22 | thorie | pagetelegram: i ran those, and im on debian 9.5 now, but it still says kernel version 2.6 in uname -a |
| 23:04.41 | pagetelegram | huh, yea idk then. Hopeful someone else answers. |
| 23:05.13 | pagetelegram | I'd wonder the same. cause the idea of wiping to start a newer version is not sound. |
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| 23:05.42 | thorie | i also rebooted, but it still says 2.6.32 |
| 23:06.32 | thorie | i also ran apt-get install linux-image-4.9.0-8-amd64 but nothing changed |
| 23:06.33 | pagetelegram | well yeah, there have to be another way....I novice enough to be weary to try such things as I might break something. I always keep my data on a seperate partition tho. |
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| 23:07.15 | jhutchins_wk | thorie: You need to do dist-upgrade or full-upgrade to get the kerrnel. |
| 23:07.25 | jhutchins_wk | thorie: 2.6 is pretty old, several releases ago. |
| 23:07.42 | jhutchins_wk | thorie: What release are you using? |
| 23:08.21 | jhutchins_wk | I have hot food waiting, good luck. |
| 23:09.13 | thorie | jhutchins_wk: im using debian stretch 9.5 |
| 23:09.37 | pagetelegram | thanks jh for that info as helpful for me too either I get wmaker on sparky or go the windowmakerlive route and do the full-upgrade |
| 23:09.58 | thorie | jhutchins_wk: full-upgrade and dist-upgrade both tell me nothing new to do |
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| 23:11.02 | pagetelegram | wonder it that is a depository issue....updating the links in the dipository conf file might fix...tho try researching that as also that might break things. |
| 23:11.03 | thorie | the /boot folder shows vmlinuz-4.9.0-8-amd64 shouldn't that be good? |
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| 23:14.33 | pagetelegram | I saw sparky wmaker in synamptic so going to see if the download and install gives wmaker default. |
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| 23:15.39 | thorie | i don't have grub, maybe i need to install that? |
| 23:15.45 | pagetelegram | Although I really liked how windowmakerlive is setup. Wish I can get that to work...the hinderance is I don't have optical drive working...so usb thumb my only option. |
| 23:15.52 | pagetelegram | grub is a boot manager |
| 23:16.03 | pagetelegram | I don't think has anything to do with kernel |
| 23:16.44 | thorie | trying to do this https://serverfault.com/questions/431799/debian-kernel-upgrade-to-2-6-32-5-amd64-but-uname-still-shows-686 |
| 23:17.00 | thorie | but got errors: |
| 23:17.01 | thorie | # grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 23:17.01 | thorie | /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: failed to get canonical path of `/dev/ploop28303p1'. |
| 23:17.11 | pagetelegram | brb later...restarting my system to see if wmaker takes over as the DE |
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| 23:19.34 | thorie | this is an interesting comment: "You're using a VPS and the kernel you see is the host's. Nothing Ubuntu can do about it. If you want a newer kernel, contact your host. â muru Dec 23 '16 at 10:25 |
| 23:19.50 | thorie | i am on a vps... but why 2.6 :( |
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| 23:21.11 | phogg | thorie: Stability (probably). Upgrading could break something that works, costing customers. |
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| 23:21.25 | thorie | i can't run docker on 2.6 |
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| 23:21.44 | thorie | which means i can't deploy my site on this vps i ordered |
| 23:21.52 | phogg | thorie: complain to the hosting provider. If enough customers do maybe they'll decide it's worth the risk. |
| 23:22.19 | thorie | whaaaaat -_- |
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| 23:22.31 | thorie | alright thx |
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| 23:23.45 | pagetelegram | wmaker works...however I don't know how to change the login screen to be the windowmaker default. |
| 23:25.24 | pagetelegram | I also want the menus to populate existing software....it seems wmaker only carried over software common to the wmaker family |
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