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00:02.26ebrascaCan I install debian on btrfs subvolume?
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00:08.37ebrascaI have alredy 1 btrfs done with other systems in separete subvolumes.
00:09.01ebrascaCan I install debian in 1 subvolume? ( No formating )
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02:26.55Kyrosphp -S for the server
02:27.03Kyros-t defines where index.php should be also
02:27.40ryoumais it useful to have a printer installed when you install cups?  is cups the printer system to use?  idk what kind of printer i will be using.
02:27.47yakizaKyros:  man for some reason all my php <include tags are commented out and phpinfo not being displayed
02:28.10Kyrosare you using short tags?
02:28.48yakizayeah  and i tried to enable them in my php.init but there is not such file in my /etc/php/7.0
02:29.18Kyrosif i remember correctly its something like /etc/php/version/cli/php.ini
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02:29.36yakizayeah that php.ini
02:29.38yakiza<PROTECTED>
02:30.21Kyrostype php --ini
02:30.36Kyrosdude thanks for reminding me why i refuse to do php work anymore
02:30.54michael2whats, the PHP problem ?
02:31.10Kyrosatm i think he needs to enable short tags
02:31.19Kyrosand is having trouble finding the right .ini file
02:31.36michael2strace ?
02:31.46Kyrosphp --ini should tell you which one it loads
02:31.52Kyrosor php -i
02:32.21michael2thats for the cli SAPI
02:32.39Kyroshe is trying to use the builtin php web server
02:32.43Kyrosie php -S
02:32.44michael2Im assuming the short tag problem is for a webpage?
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02:33.05michael2yeah, then don't use php --ini - thats for the wrong SAPI
02:33.12yakizahttp://paste.debian.net/1046439/
02:33.15michael2you need the cgi config
02:33.17Kyrosno its not
02:33.30michael2its for the cli SAPI
02:33.37Kyroswhich the command uses
02:33.40Kyrosthe builtin server
02:33.59Kyrosnot cgi or apache mod
02:34.07michael2oh, ok
02:34.22yakizaso do i have a problem with php again?
02:34.49Kyroswait didnt you install 7.0?
02:35.05yakizathats what i have 7.0
02:35.22yakizawtf why does it say 7.2?
02:35.23yakiza...
02:35.41Kyroswhat does it say when you type php --version
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02:36.31yakiza7.2
02:36.32yakiza...
02:36.43yakizabut in my etc /php folder i have 7.0
02:36.46yakizathis is weird
02:37.58annadaneyakiza originally installed php 7.2 via PPA which we went through the process of removing
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02:38.18annadanei guess we needed to apt purge rather than apt remove
02:38.53annadanecan you paste aptitude search ~c
02:40.00yakizahttp://paste.debian.net/1046440/
02:40.19annadanei think apt purge php7.2-mysql would be safe?
02:40.32annadanedo you have any configuration you want to keep from there though, may want to back it up
02:40.41Kyrosdid you remove the ppa?
02:40.58yakizadone
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02:41.03yakizayes we did that with annadane
02:41.37yakizaphp --ini still has 7.2 in it
02:43.20yakizadid it
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02:44.07yakizaKyros:  isnt it bad that i have no ini file how can i enable the short tags now?
02:44.07Kyrosso php --version runs 7.0 now?
02:44.30Kyrosyou can just make the file most likely
02:45.01Kyrospersonally id do a dpkg -l | grep -i php and remove everything and just start fresh
02:45.12Kyrosalso apt show package php-cli before you reinstall to make sure its the right version
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02:46.43yakizaKyros:  so i type this correct ?
02:46.45yakizaKyros:  dpkg -l | grep -i php7.0-mysql
02:46.58Kyrosdo dpkg -l | grep -i php
02:47.03Kyrosso you can see all the php packages
02:47.09yakizayeah and then
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02:47.33Kyrosare you showing different versions still?
02:47.36Kyrosor any otrher funkiness
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02:48.42yakizaii  php7.0-mysql                                                7.0.30-0+deb9u1                                          amd64        MySQL module for PHP
02:48.46yakizaoops
02:48.50yakizai thought it was really short
02:49.35yakizaKyros:  now what?
02:49.43Kyrosdo you have php7.0-mbstring also
02:50.13yakizanot sure
02:50.13Kyroshere is what id do first
02:50.19yakiza<PROTECTED>
02:50.37Kyrosmkdir a dir with a single file called index.php and put <?php phpinfo(); ?> in it
02:50.46Kyrosthen run php -S -t dir
02:51.40Kyrosactually just do php -S localhost:8000 -t dir
02:51.48Kyrosthen do to that in the browser
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02:54.30yakizaKyros:  i get it
02:54.32yakizait runs
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02:54.56Kyrosnow you can look through the configuration and see if you are missing any modules etc
02:55.09yakizahow can i know  ?
02:55.13yakizai mean i am new to php
02:55.26Kyrosctrl+f and look for pdo and mysql
02:55.36Kyrosare you planning on using a framework?
02:56.08yakizaKyros:  not now i just want pdo mysql and short tags to be working nothing else really
02:56.15yakizai can see net to pdo and mysql names
02:56.23Kyrosyou can probably search for short tags and see if they are enabled or not
02:56.46yakizathey are on
02:56.54yakizathen why they are commented out?
02:57.09Kyroswhat do you mean exactly
02:58.23yakizawell  when i open localhost iall my <?php include tags are commented  by html and also pdo i dont have it  just tryed to run something pdo
02:59.57Kyrosdoes dpkg -l | grep -i pdo show anything?
03:00.35Kyrosis there a command to list the files in a package with apt
03:00.39Kyroslike dpkg -L but apt
03:00.51yakizahttp://paste.debian.net/1046443/
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03:01.37Kyrossomething is still wonky with your install cause it should have put a php.ini and enabled those modules
03:02.03yakizaisnt there an available .ini file i can download for instance?
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03:04.45Kyrosim almost positive it comes with the php-cli package
03:05.03Kyrosits annoying too cause there is a different for apache or cgi fcgi etc
03:05.50Kyrosif you give me a minute im setting up a vm so i can check
03:05.58annadaneso apt install --reinstall php-cli maybe
03:06.28Kyrosyeah
03:06.34annadaneor failing that, one sec
03:06.43Kyrosi have a feeling he is still going to have issues with moduleks not being enabled though
03:07.21annadanehttps://packages.debian.org/stretch/all/php-cli/filelist
03:07.33Kyroshmm
03:10.16yakizai purged the whole php and installed it again i have a php.ini file now i enabled short tags and i commented out the pdo extension but i still cant work with pdo and my short tags are commented in html
03:11.04Kyroswhy did you comment out pdo?
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03:11.46michael2what is the short tags setting for the cgi SAPI?
03:11.55michael2I think you can get that with:
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03:12.15michael2<?php get_phpinfo();
03:12.16Kyrosare you trying to run something else through apache?
03:12.24Kyrosits just phpinfo()
03:12.33michael2yeah phpinfo();
03:12.53yakizasec
03:13.05michael2put that in a file and browse to it
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03:13.58yakizain phpinfo i can see pdo enabled for mysql
03:14.13yakizaand short tags ON
03:14.23Kyroswhat you trying to run that isnt working?
03:14.25yakizaso i really dont know why they are not beingdisplaed
03:14.32yakizaa website i am developing
03:14.49yakizai have <?php include  'includes/contact.php';?>
03:14.51yakizafor instance
03:14.57Kyrosare you using the php -S localhost:8000 -t dir method to launch it or does it use apache/nginx/etc?
03:15.32michael2and what is happening? the php code is not being run?
03:15.46Kyrosit sounded like its not getting rendered
03:15.56yakizaKyros:  now i am and i have nothing all i can see is just a white background and
03:16.15yakizamichael2:  its being commented out
03:16.17michael2what is your php error log saying?
03:16.19Kyrosok edit the php.ini again and turen on error_reporting
03:16.52Kyrosit should have a recommended debug setting for it in there
03:16.53Kyrosuse that one
03:22.20yakizawhere are the logs saved though
03:22.41Kyrosthat will just display the error on the page
03:23.58annadanequite possibly in the thing i told you to purge, though i did say "you may want to back it up"
03:24.04yakizai can see no errors
03:24.13Kyrosjust white screen?
03:24.16yakizayes
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03:24.47annadaneis it not in /etc/mysql or /etc/mariadb
03:24.47Kyrosok let me look real quick
03:25.00Kyrosin php.ini display_errors = On
03:25.19Kyrosand display_startup_error = On
03:25.22Kyroschange those two
03:25.33Kyros:q
03:25.35yakizadisplaystartup not yet sec
03:26.06Kyrosthe display_errors = On is the import one
03:26.09yakizabut still nothign
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03:26.50Kyrosdo this also phpenmod mysqlnd and phpenmod pho_mysql as root
03:26.58Kyrosi got that vm setup so i can look now
03:27.37Kyrosphpenmod pdo_mysql <- i typoed the first time
03:28.35yakizanow
03:28.35yakizasec
03:29.01yakizaphpenmod what parameter?
03:29.08michael2is display_error = on? thats important
03:29.24yakizamichael2:  yes it is
03:29.33yakizabut where si the file that those errors are saved?
03:29.35michael2becuase php will withhold displaying stacktrace/error info for secrutity reasons
03:29.44Kyrosphpenmod mysqlnd; phpenmod pdo_mysql
03:30.07yakizai run those and i just got prompted with a new command line
03:30.19Kyrosgood that means it worked
03:30.19michael2yakiza: it depends on the SAPI you are running - what are you running cli/nginx/apache?
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03:30.36Kyrosi should show any errors in the console
03:30.48Kyroscd
03:30.48Kyrosls
03:31.10michael2so they are running `php -S' ?
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03:31.40Kyrosin the .ini set output_buffering = Off
03:31.56Kyrosand log_errors = On also
03:32.14yakizano errors in console
03:32.24yakizaop
03:32.25yakizaerror
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03:32.48yakizahttp://paste.debian.net/1046444/
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03:33.43Kyrosi didnt have to change my ini at all and i get errors in the console
03:33.59yakizawe are doomed
03:34.26Kyrosthe phpinfo() runs right?
03:36.26yakizayes
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03:38.26RoyKIMHO PHP is for shite
03:38.34KyrosRoyK: for real
03:38.47Kyros[22:30:35] <Kyros> dude thanks for reminding me why i refuse to do php work anymore
03:39.32Kyrosyakiza: honestly man if the phpinfo runs and the modules you need are loaded then its something in youir code
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03:39.39Kyroscause we've covered almost everything else i can think of
03:39.43RoyKQBASIC next
03:39.49RoyKor COBOL
03:40.19RoyKor perhaps FORTRAN75?
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03:41.18RoyKFORTRAN77, that was, sorry
03:42.17yakizaKyros:  honestly my code is a copy paste from a working code
03:42.47yakizaRoyK:  wanna take a look?
03:43.08Kyrosdoes it use mod_rewrite or anything?
03:43.26yakizano
03:43.52RoyKis off to bed and don't want to read php tonight
03:43.58Kyrosin the simple phpinfo file remove that line and just put <?php echo 1/0;
03:44.02Kyrosand run it
03:44.08Kyrossee if it shows errors in the console or webpage
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03:46.04yakizaKyros:  this is the only error http://paste.debian.net/1046445/
03:46.22Kyroswtf
03:46.25Kyros.dll?
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03:47.14yakizayeah i dont know wtf is that
03:47.20yakizabut with every php install i have dll
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03:47.51Kyrosin your php.ini comment out the php_pd_mysql.dll line
03:47.59annadaneisn't .dll some windows extension thing
03:48.00Kyrosthats windows stuff
03:48.13annadanethat has to be left over from the PPA
03:48.42Kyrosim looking at my php.ini and it has a ;extension=php_pdo_mysql.dll line in it
03:48.50Kyrosso go comment that back out
03:48.59yakizaok
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03:50.29yakizai did same thing again
03:51.22Kyrosit says it cant load the .dll?
03:52.19yakizanot now i just get a white screen
03:52.30Kyroshehe
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03:53.03Kyrosid purge everything and start fresh
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03:53.23annadanenow you know not to install PPAs. that being said i hope my support was ok and didn't screw up anything
03:53.25yakizai am really tired its 5 am here woke up 24 hr ago maybe more
03:53.33yakizagusy you kidding
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03:53.46Kyrosyakiza: aight hit me up tomorrow if you want to trey again
03:53.48yakiza<PROTECTED>
03:53.53Kyrosespecially with a fresh system we can get it running quickly
03:53.59yakizahopefully
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03:54.09yakizagn peeps o/
03:54.13Kyrosnn
03:56.14Espoporedebian is a good distr
03:56.23annadaneit is. =)
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04:01.12Espoporewe love it because  it is nice!
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04:02.57Kyrosi like it because it doesnt break my network connectivity like ubuntu did with their latest LTS patch
04:03.06Kyroskernel patch
04:03.31annadanestability seems boring but IMO you don't want an operating system changing on you
04:03.42Kyrosfor real
04:04.08annadanebe nice if debian had ports for newer stuff but you can always just download something and compile
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04:04.33Kyroshave you ever used checkinstall? i just found that cause of that exact issue
04:04.40annadanenope
04:04.40Kyrosneeded a newer lib for something
04:04.57Kyrosyou run it install of make install and it makes a .deb
04:05.10Kyross/install/instead
04:05.20annadaneyeah but the issue with all these things is needing to manually keep on top of security fixes and newer upstream versions
04:05.55Kyroswell yeah but this one project i follow
04:06.21Kyrosit was the only "custom" thing on this system
04:06.27moussaanyone has a toshiba laptop satelite that the fan stopped working after an upgrade?
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04:07.38moussafancontrol can't find the sensor either
04:08.03Espoporeafter an upgrade?
04:08.45moussanot sure when it happen , yeah after apt upgrade
04:09.25annadaneactually tbph you don't need ports, sometimes you really do want to keep old versions
04:09.43annadanei don't know... most things you really can just compile or put in a chroot or whatever
04:09.50annadaneit's exceptionally rare you can't
04:10.15annadanemoussa, well what got upgraded
04:11.33moussathat what i am trying to figure out
04:11.58annadaneand you're on debian 9?
04:12.04moussayes
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04:12.24moussamost of my pcs are
04:13.26moussai only noticed when the started to smell the electronics, as the fan usually sit on a humming ratio
04:13.52moussathe fan works because when i restart the laptop it comes on
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04:57.10moussaand no joy
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05:19.25michael2I've installed pavucontrol, and rebooted. My computer still has no sound. what is the next step to debug?
05:19.51michael2If i play a video in firefox - pavucontrol registers the stream, but no sound in speakers
05:20.20michael2pactl list sinks says "sink #0 RUNNING"
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05:23.48michael2I see /usr/bin/pulseaudio has a process running. but I don't see which systemd service started it?
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05:27.13rgrhttps://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/204522/how-does-pulseaudio-start
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05:29.43michael2thanks, yes, after reading some of that thread, I can confirm pulse audio is running under my user account
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05:38.20moussaideas anyone regard the fan on my toshiba t1110?
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05:54.51moussahh
05:55.10michael2if, why doesn't pulse audio log any errors when there is no functioning sound driver?
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05:57.38moussasound logical to me
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06:02.21michael2logical that the sound server doesn't report errors when it can't connect a sink to a sound device?
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06:04.01rgryes
06:04.18rgrif there's no device there is no device. There is no error.
06:04.46rgris there a verbosity setting?
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06:08.21michael2there is a device there though.
06:08.40michael2pactl list sinks is reporting it
06:08.54michael2so does lspci | grep -i audio
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06:14.25rgrcheck you dont have rogue values in .asoundrc or whatever its called. You can google.
06:14.34rgrlocal and in /etc
06:14.50rgrbtw, yes Linux sound sucks arse.
06:16.38michael2there is no active asoundrc on my system
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06:19.16michael2do I need to reboot after installing alsautils?
06:19.24rgrthey all work together in a horrible mess.
06:19.44rgrshouldnt need to. but then ....
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06:20.52michael2is there a simple way to test sound?
06:20.56michael2is working?
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06:26.04michael2woo, the answer was actually on the debian wiki here:
06:26.06michael2https://wiki.debian.org/SoundFAQ
06:26.15michael2\o/
06:26.21rgrgnome sound settings have a test.
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06:26.31rgrplus atest or aplay or whatever it is.
06:26.39rgrwhat as it?
06:27.26michael2huh?
06:27.43michael2you mean what was the fix?
06:28.00michael2sudo alsactl init
06:28.25rgrnoew reboot and and check you dont have to do that again.
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07:10.17vincent-Hello. Could anyone help me with suspend and hibernate? I have posted in the forum but so far I got no replies: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=138758
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10:25.04JorgeDGHI
10:25.16JorgeDGim trying to compile c++ with the console and when I write down "gcc file.cpp -o file" it says "undefined reference" to everything
10:25.22JorgeDGany help?
10:25.45JorgeDGIm new in linux, sorry if its stupid question
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10:26.30blackflowJorgeDG: that's not a linux issue, but C/C++ programming issue. You're probably missing headers containing declarations and/or libs containing definitions for undefined names.
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10:27.32JorgeDGI dont think so...
10:27.53blackflowwell you may not, but the compiler definitely does :)
10:28.15JorgeDGI have just put "cout" and it says "undefined reference std::cout"
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10:28.22petn-randallJorgeDG: My guess is you should be using g++ instead of gcc.
10:28.22blackfloweven if you have all the #includes, the compiler might not know where to look for those
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10:30.48JorgeDGit worked with g++
10:30.53JorgeDGThank u so much
10:31.17JorgeDGand sorry for the stupid question in the wrong server
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10:32.44petn-randallJorgeDG: It's fine. Glad I could help. :)
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11:37.34Herculeswhere is kernel in dvd iso?
11:37.53Hercules(or kernel source code)
11:38.08petn-randallHercules: The one that gets booted, or the one that gets installed? What problem are you trying to solve?
11:38.47Herculesnah I'm just interested to know
11:38.58HerculesI am talking about the one supplied in iso
11:39.24RoyKIIRC the source packages aren't in the iso
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11:40.23petn-randallHercules: Both get supplied in the ISO. One is needed to boot, and the other is used to install on the system.
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11:41.21Herculesah I see
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11:42.11petn-randallHercules: If you have an installed system, you can simply download any source package of any binary package with "apt-get source <packagename>".
11:42.26petn-randallOnly case you won't get the original source is from the non-free binaries.
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11:56.33LongoHi all
11:57.02LongoI have a fresh install, onto which i'm going to install some security camera video software as a .deb
11:57.17LongoHowever, and i know this is going to sound dumb, i don't trust the security camera software
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11:57.27LongoI mean, that's why i have security cameras. I don't trust stuff.
11:57.50LongoIs there a way to install a file in like a BSD Jail, so i know it can't get out and do weird things on my home network
11:57.50colo-workyou can extract the .deb and look at its contents.  `ar yourfile.deb`, then look around (two compressed .tar-archives should stand out in particular)
11:58.10LongoParticularly great if i could lock it down to certain ports, and even better, only communicate with certain IPs
11:58.26colo-workyou could use a systemd container to create a second instance of Debian on your host, and install the .deb in there
11:58.29petn-randallLongo: Run it in a VM if you don't trust it.
11:58.43Longocolo-work: oh, i don't expect I could detect something sneaky in a company's code. That would take me weeks of audit time
11:59.01Longopetn-randall: which VM would you recommend? I'm quite new to VMs
11:59.16Longo(on Linux, i usually use them to run linux on OSX/Win)
11:59.18petn-randallLongo: Any virtualization tech solves the issue that you're seeing.
11:59.22majdHi all - I'm running debian-stretch-slim in a docker container. I'm trying to use envsubst, but i'm getting `envsubst: not found`. When I try to `apt-get install envsubst`, I get `E: Unable to locate package envsubst`
11:59.27majdWhat's going on?
12:00.14petn-randallmajd: It's because you don't have gettext-base installed in your "slim" container.
12:00.26majdoooh
12:00.27petn-randallmajd: https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents
12:00.49petn-randallAs with a lot of other things, too. If you want something, you likely have to install it.
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12:13.54majdpetn-randall: ah, you're right. I installed gettext-base and it worked!
12:14.01majdMany thanks
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12:14.25petn-randallmajd: You're welcome.
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12:18.05LongoOut of gnome, xfce, kde, cinnamon, mate and lxde, are any better suited for a media pc?
12:18.28petn-randall!best
12:18.29dpkgBest for what?  Please define what you mean by "best".  Gloria Gaynor!  Tina Turner!  Aretha Franklin!  Men without Hats!  Women without Hats!  Men at Work!  Women at Play!  Anyone for Tennis!
12:18.33LongoIt's an older computer with now ssd and 3Tb HDD, but the mobo is old, cpu is a core 2 duo @ 2.4Ghz.
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12:18.44LongoHahahah
12:18.52petn-randallLongo: They'll all work, it's a matter of taste, really.
12:18.58SpeedyGLongo: I like xfce on my fairly older pc... because its relatively light-weight... but... as it says... !best :)
12:19.13petn-randallLongo: If you're tight on RAM, I'd maybe avoid gnome/kde, but that's about it.
12:19.26LongoAll great advice - thanks so much :D
12:19.38LongoI have 2Gb of RAM, so perhaps it's best to go XFCE. i'm used to it
12:20.03Longofor some reason I thought a desktop environment that looked nice, would be better for media PC, but probably i need the RAM for VLC/mplayer D:
12:20.30SpeedyGin the end, when you play a video full screen, the appearance of the WM/DM doesnt matter at all ;)
12:20.45LongoSpeedyG: is that so? it just doesn't render the stuff behind it?
12:20.45petn-randallIt should run fine with Kodi (which I'm guessing you're using), but if you've already spent money on a SSD, I'd throw in $10 and get more RAM, too.
12:20.50LongoI always wondered that actually
12:21.12petn-randallI'd expect it not to, but it might still keep it in RAM for when you tab back in.
12:21.14SpeedyGLongo: 'appearance' != rendering etc ;) thats just the way it looks ;)
12:21.51Longoright, haha
12:22.20Longowell i've gone for xfce. Actually, i could do with no desktop env at all, if i could from the terminal somehow play a video to the HDMI port directly
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12:22.33SpeedyGfor a matter, I dont particularly like the way xfce looks out of the box.... but hey, it works and is suitable for my performance needs :)
12:22.35Longolike, the only rendering it can do is full-screen video and audio
12:22.37Longois that possible?
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12:23.19ebrascaannadane: I have found Debootstrap XD
12:23.22LongoSpeedyG: yeah, i've always felt XFCE lacked... detailing. Small things. It's plain, which is fine, but just fine.
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12:26.16HicksDLongo: I'm pretty sureI've seen something along those lines that worked with a framebuffer via terminal only
12:26.24HicksDbut don't recall what it was.
12:26.47HicksDxfce isn't great looking but I like its minimalism and "classic" feel :)
12:27.10Longoi will look into that! The more i think about this, the more i think - why can't i watch video in the terminal. Video is a lot easier to parse and display correctly than say... HTML :P
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12:58.29flingHicksD: what do you think about lxde?
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13:00.14HicksDnever used it
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13:07.09RoyKfling: IMHO something nice if you have a really crappy laptop ;)
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13:10.28Haohmarui use LXDE, it's gud
13:11.41flingRoyK: exactly! I installed it on a crappy toshiba.
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13:12.13flingRoyK: can't figure out how to tell bios I don't want it to limit kvm and gigabit usage
13:12.35flingHaohmaru: how gud is it?
13:13.10Haohmaruit's conservative in terms of RAM (gud), and looks simple
13:13.30Haohmarui like the lxpanel "start" menu too
13:13.52flingSounds gud.
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13:14.06flingHaohmaru: have not you tried using it with compiz?
13:14.33HaohmaruPCManFM is nifty, it can browse networks and it can even be used for connecting to scp (or whatever it's called)
13:14.39Haohmaruno
13:15.35flingI can't get time slider working in neither gnome or lumina fm :<
13:15.43flingI would like PCManFM to just have it.
13:15.51Haohmarutime slider?
13:16.46flingHaohmaru: the thing allowing you to see previous snapshots content by dragging the slider to the left.
13:17.07Haohmaruprevious snapshots of what?
13:17.10flingHaohmaru: of zfs
13:17.26Haohmaruokay, no idea about that
13:17.57flingHaohmaru: it looks like a time machine where you could look what the previous files looked like in the past.
13:18.30flingI've seen it working ten years ago in gnome but now only lumina says it works but it does not show the gui for the slider for some reason.
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13:20.42Haohmaru*shrug*
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13:20.51Haohmarui doubt PCManFM has it
13:21.00blackflowfling: uhm... what slider is that? what program?
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13:23.34flingblackflow: not sure. The file browser in gnome.
13:23.40flingblackflow: and lumina-fm
13:24.42blackflowfirst time I hear of that in linux or a bsd program. with the exception of Lumina I think I've read a few months ago that they're working toward Time-machine-like integration with zfs
13:24.58blackflowpretty sure that didn't exist 10 years ago, so you must be thinking of something else?
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13:25.15flingblackflow: youtube says it was atleast 10 years ago in gnome.
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13:25.23blackflowfling: linky?
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13:30.25flingblackflow: what is the name of gnome file manager?
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13:31.17blackflowfling: Nautilus?
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14:12.32russoisraelihello folks. I've installed the latest Debian. For some weird reason the OpenSSH server config files are all empty - exist but with 0 size. Any idea why and/or how I can get the defaults?
14:13.01greycatRan out of disk space?
14:13.26russoisraeligreycat - not according to "df" :)
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14:14.13RoyKrussoisraeli: anything in dmesg?
14:14.14greycatOnce you figure out how to prevent them from being truncated again, your bet bet would be to purge the openssh-server package and reinstall it.
14:14.25RoyKmight be  some issues with your drive
14:14.45russoisraeliRoyK - nothing relevant in dmesg
14:14.46babilen"df -i" ? dmesg? any other problems?
14:15.03russoisraeliinodes are well
14:15.13russoisraelibrand new VM with 20G of disk space
14:15.38russoisraeliok, I guess I'll remove and install openssh-server again
14:15.45greycatNot remove.  Purge.
14:16.12RoyKif it were 20TB or 20PB, I'd wonder, but 20GB is nothing
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14:17.00russoisraeligreycat - "apt-get remove" insufficient
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14:17.11greycatHmm, purging may not be enough.  The /etc/ssh/sshd_config file is handled specially.  You may have to delete that manually in addition to purging the package.
14:17.12russoisraeliRoyK - in any case, according to "df" there's plenty of space
14:17.20russoisraeliok
14:17.20greycatrussoisraeli: dpkg --purge
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14:17.40RoyKapt purge should do it
14:17.55greycatI do believe he'll have to remove the /etc/ssh/sshd_config file manually.
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14:18.40RoyKgreycat: apt purge should do that unless it's altered
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14:18.58russoisraelihttps://dpaste.de/3yeF
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14:20.07babilenSo, what happens if you run the postinst script manually?
14:20.21babilenMight want to add a "set -x" if it isn't immediately obvious
14:20.27greycatRoyK: /etc/ssh/sshd_config is *not* listed as a regular conffile.  It's generated specially in the postinst script.
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14:20.59russoisraeliThank you! purge followed by install did the job!
14:21.13russoisraeliI guess purge is a heavy remove :)
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14:21.31babilenPurge removes configuration and other files
14:22.05babilenIf you never purge you end up with quite a bit of cruft. If you've never done it, I'd investigate "aptitude search '~c'" and consider "apt-get --purge autoremove"
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14:23.39russoisraelimany thanks to you all
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14:24.26RoyKgreycat: so how did apt purge help russoisraeli? ;)
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14:24.54edisonbulbi dont know why it matters to me but how can i verify that popcon data is being uploaded
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14:26.45greycatRoyK: ... it's in the postrm script.  Fairly well hidden.
14:26.45russoisraeliRoyK - purge sounded scary :)
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14:30.39babilenrussoisraeli: Much like "dist-upgrade" it is a tool that you can use to achieve a certain effect
14:31.08babilenAnd most things can be dealt with. In particular if you have recent/good backups
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16:02.03ashleyksysvinit-core kind of worked, but i still have systemd-udevd, systemd-logind
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16:02.16ashleykhow do i remove that
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16:06.12n4dirashleyk: does that mean simply using apt-get, apt, aptitude doesn't work?
16:06.38n4dirif yes: aptitude why systemd-udevd might give a hint.
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16:07.13ashleyki can just remove them?
16:07.13blackflowyou can't just uninstall systemd-udev, you need a replacement for it.
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16:09.39ashleykblackflow, same with systemd-logind?
16:09.42n4dirsure isn't installed here. You sure, blackflow
16:09.52n4dirand with systemd installed ...
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16:11.00blackflown4dir: _an_ udev is needed. the traditional udev got merged into systemd project. the alternatives are things like eudev which I don't know if it's packaged for debian.
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16:11.31blackflowmeanwhile, it took Devuan folks over a year to de-systemdize Debian. Despite of what Debian folks would tell you about init freedom being possible, if you really want systemd-free experience, Debian ain't it.
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16:11.55colo-workthe good news about this being that noone with a clue actually cares
16:12.12ashleykits not about systemd...lennarts code has been determined to be a security risk we arent willing to take, here
16:12.16colo-worksystemd is just so much better than what was there before... embrace it, and do not look back
16:12.17n4dirblackflow: well, udev is installed here. anyway.
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16:12.34blackflown4dir: and that's systemd's udev
16:12.39n4diri sure do agree that in the long run debian systemd free is not a good idea. There are better options
16:12.58ashleykhmm...
16:13.11ashleykmy system is going to break?
16:13.35blackflowashleyk: in my opinion yes. if it were as easy as that, Devuan would not exist.
16:13.41n4dirblackflow: i see.
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16:14.02n4dirbeing sid it seems to be named simply udev, but apt-cache show tells more.
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16:15.38n4dirashleyk: perhaps not break. But due to dependencies on systemd-***, quite some packages will miss. And one of the good things of debian is it's huge package repository. So ... doesn't really make much sense. Lots of work. etc.
16:16.05ashleykgood advice i think...
16:17.38n4dirtime will tell. I got one eye on debian without systemd, and a few other eyes on different distros and operating systems
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16:18.22ashleykwell i already got Kali running on linode, might as well do another custom distro
16:19.11EdePopedehi. want to ad my locale now, https://wiki.debian.org/Locale contains "If you've upgraded to Lenny", so how up to date is the page? still usable?
16:19.46f0xashleyk: what why
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16:21.08n4dirashleyk: probably everyone speaks of devuan as they make so much noise. antiX and MX are also there (for the ones who want to go the debian-based but no systemd route).
16:22.11ashleykim using the former on my embedded systems so probably just stick with it
16:22.39ashleykwell on odroid, on rpi im using slackware
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16:36.37NeminHello, I have installed Firefox using Apt and it works well, except that it can't open any third-party links. What I mean by this, is if I have an .html file on my desktop and I try to open it, Firefox complains that "to open a new window the current one must be closed or the system must be restarted". Same thing happens if I try to open a link from Discord. What should I do to fix this?
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16:54.28PaddyScribohello, is it better to install stable first and then dist-upgrade to testing or install testing directly? (its only for game testing)
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16:55.41n4diriirc testing also tests the debian-installer, so i would go for install stable without gui, then upgrade. But i for one never failed with installing testing directly either.
16:56.24PaddyScriboyes :)
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17:03.54petn-randallPaddyScribo: "game testing"? Not sure what you want to test here.
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17:04.15PaddyScribohere? no, nothing with irc
17:04.46petn-randallPaddyScribo: Note that testing (Debian buster) is still a moving target, so libraries currently change every couple of days. So something that runs on testing *now* might not in a week or so.
17:04.47PaddyScribopetn-randall: i want to find out which distro runs the games that i like
17:05.02petn-randallPaddyScribo: Which games though?
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17:05.40petn-randallPaddyScribo: Usually they're quite specific on which platforms it'll run, and most of the time it's some release of Ubuntu.
17:06.12PaddyScribopetn-randall: Baldur's Gate, Doom3, Gabriel Knight, retro stuff
17:06.26PaddyScribomostly shopped from gog.com
17:07.17blackflowdoom3 has linux binary, worked like a charm, even on Debian. even Doom3 BFG re-master  works fine under wine.
17:08.13petn-randallPaddyScribo: For retro stuff there's retroarch, which builds on libretro. It should run the most common legacy game console games (NES, gameboy, SNES, playstation 1, N64, etc.).
17:08.51PaddyScribooh, thats nice. glad that i asked then
17:08.56blackflow(funny when games from late 2000s are "retro". then what are games we grew up with back in 1980s and 1990s   :)  )
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17:09.28PaddyScribo:D
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17:11.06EdePopedepong ftw!
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17:28.19blebrandom question.  does icecat remove all the sponsored stories & pocket popups from firefox?
17:29.10blebi know some/most of that stuff can be disabled in ff setting but i don't want to have to periodically fiddle with my settings whenever moz adds a new anti-feature
17:29.33blebso if icecat fixed that by default i wouldn't have to think about that crap
17:30.05annadanei've not extensively used it but i'd have to answer yes because it's from GNU, or try waterfox that also removes that stuff
17:30.23FinalXsponsored stories? pocket popups? no idea what you're referring to.. never had either
17:30.35annadanesponsored stories aren't in ESR, pocket is though
17:30.46annadaneand ESR is the only version of firefox that comes in stretch
17:30.51FinalXsure but I've never had it give me a single popup
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17:31.15FinalXah well, running Firefox Quantum 62.0.3
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17:32.59annadanei'm downloading icecat now just to check
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17:35.35annadaneew. well i apparently can't even run it because reasons, but yeah i'd be incredibly surprised if GNU didn't remove all that
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17:35.59annadanei know for a fact waterfox does
17:36.50annadanebleb, actually, ask #gnu
17:36.59mvaenskaehm, having a zbook 15 g1 and trying to install debian stretch i am getting some strange installation issues
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17:47.49beemanhelooooooooooo
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17:49.11petn-randallhi beeman
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17:49.36beemanhi petn-randall
17:49.38beeman<PROTECTED>
17:49.53petn-randall!survey
17:49.53dpkgi guess survey is Don't ask whether 'somebody uses <app>' unless conducting a survey.  Ask the question that you want to ask.
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17:50.05beemanpetn-randall: im not
17:50.06no_gravityGood Evening
17:50.07beemanIM NOT
17:50.08beemanNO
17:50.10beemanT
17:50.26greycatbeeman: ask the actual question, please.
17:50.29petn-randallbeeman: Try asking your real question.
17:50.30no_gravityI have this function in my bashrs to sync a dir of a git repo to the remote: gitsyncdirTOremote()   { rsync -av --delete "$1/" "$(git config remote.origin.url)$1/"; }
17:50.33no_gravityWhat would be a good way to ask the user if it should be a dry run or the real deal?
17:50.38beemangreycat: does someone experience any bugs running tiling window manager alongside WM/DE@XFCE?
17:50.45greycat*plonk*
17:50.55beemanI want to test these not sure if something will fucked
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17:51.14greycathttp://mikeash.com/getting_answers.html
17:51.19petn-randallbeeman: That's a survey. If you want to get help, try explain what you did, what you expected, and what you got instead.
17:51.20beemanI want to test *window tiling manager*
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17:51.32beemanpetn-randall: that's a question, youuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
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17:51.44beemanwtf
17:51.47petn-randallbeeman: So try it and see?
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17:51.58beemanpetn-randall: BUT IM ASKING BEFORE BREAKING MY SYSTEM
17:52.11beemanpetn-randall: you don't have to reply to every question
17:52.36petn-randallbeeman: I'm just saying you won't get any answer the way you're posing the questions.
17:52.44annadanebeeman, you won't break your system as long as you follow general principles, like
17:52.46annadane!dontbreakdebian
17:52.46beemanpetn-randall: i dont need your help, thx
17:52.47dpkgit has been said that dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
17:52.56annadanepeople do run window managers within xfce
17:52.57petn-randallbeeman: good luck!
17:53.08annadane*i* don't know how, i've never done it
17:53.09beemanand you are not even helping, fyi
17:53.24annadaneif in doubt, ask reddit.com/r/unixporn
17:53.28DammitJimtotally off topic but I don't know where else to ask
17:53.29annadaneor uh, r/linuxquestions
17:53.43DammitJimI need to monitor my debian servers from outside my tiny data center
17:53.55DammitJimwhat do you guys recommend I use?
17:54.07blackflowbeeman: long time ago I ran different DEs/WMs installed at once and yes there was leakage of configs between them. I can't remember what it was, and it was years ago.
17:54.13DammitJimand something could be using an online service where I install monitoring system I already own
17:54.13petn-randallDammitJim: Depends on what you want to monitor, and if you're willing to spend money on it.
17:54.15beemanwaiting for someone to write survey
17:54.23DammitJimno, don't want to spend much money
17:54.32DammitJimI just need to basically check if connectivity is there
17:54.34annadanebeeman, or actually, what's more helpful than reddit is the mailing list. try asking debian-user@lists.debian.org, it's more debian focused
17:54.35petn-randallbeeman: Try to keep the signal to noise ratio high in this channel.
17:54.43blackflowDammitJim: munin
17:54.55petn-randallDammitJim: pingdom if that's all you need.
17:54.58beemanpetn-randall: sure survey man!!!!
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17:55.03DammitJim(in case there is a network failure and the monitoring systems internal to my datacenter can't send me updates)
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17:55.08DammitJimpingdom?!
17:55.09DammitJimthanks
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17:55.35petn-randallbeeman: I recommend you check your netiquette before asking in this channel again.
17:56.47blackflowpingdom is nolonger free though
17:57.02DammitJimyeah
17:57.15DammitJimsolarwinds... no wonder why it's not free ;)
17:57.23blackflowrunning things like munin, cacti or even nagios is best. I mean, _while_ you're at it, why not monitor all the aspects of it: cpu, memory, network, ....
17:57.39DammitJimis munin an online service?
17:57.48blackflowno it's a perl package you install
17:57.54NetTerminalGenewhen will debian buster freeze?
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17:58.06DammitJimI just need something to check my connetion from the outside
17:58.22petn-randall!wwbr
17:58.22dpkgDebian 10 "Buster" start the <freeze> process on 2019-01-12 and should release mid-2019. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2018/04/msg00006.html
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17:58.26petn-randallNetTerminalGene: ^^^
17:58.28blackflowyou can even run the master off of your laptop. it works like that, master contacts nodes, so when your laptop is on, it does the monitoring, when it's of it does not. OR set up a cheap VPS to monitor it 24/7 and email you alerts.
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17:58.52NetTerminalGenepetn-randall, thanks
17:59.04DammitJimyeah, what would be a VPS that is cheap?
17:59.18greycatAll of them.
17:59.20blackflowDammitJim: you can even run Munin only locally on your computer. It has a multiping plugin which can ping your fleet every 5 minutes.
17:59.47DammitJimI already have something monitoring locally
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18:00.41blackflowthen what kind of connectivity you want to test? between you and the DC or between many points on the planet and your DC? beacuse the latter is not gonna be free.
18:00.42EdePopedehuh? is there a formula for "2019-01-12"? iirc the last time i asked about freeze dates the answer war something like "when it's ready"
18:00.56greycatIt was announced by a human in an email.
18:01.05greycatThe formula is "what it said in that email".
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18:01.15blackflowf(x) = when_its_ready(x);   x = '2019-01-12';       that ok?
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18:01.42petn-randallEdePopede: The freeze dates have been set by the release team by a longer process, I assume. There's a transition freeze, a soft freeze and a hard freeze. Sometime after that will be a release, though that's still "when it's ready".
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18:02.16EdePopedeah then possibly i had been asking during the freeze
18:02.17greycatAnd "ready" is decided by the Release Manager.
18:02.30gradyhi, any idea how i can change audio file format from 3gp to something else a way that the file or the new file keep original file timestamps?
18:02.32dutchfishhttps://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ReleaseTeam
18:02.54NetTerminalGenei think it would have gnome 3.32
18:03.01petn-randallgrady: Convert it, then set the ctime manually.
18:03.19ashleykhow do you setup two systems identically, yet one of them fails the if-pre-up.d/iptables script the other doesnt
18:03.20petn-randallgrady: That's how I scripted it the last time when I was batch editing a bunch of photos.
18:03.35ashleykeverything is identical
18:03.39SerajewelKSgrady: what petn-randall said.  see "touch -r" in particular for an easy way to do this.
18:03.41petn-randallashleyk: Is that a riddle or do you have an actual issue?
18:03.53ashleykits an actual issue
18:03.57gradyhmm
18:04.11ashleykbut no one can actually fix issues anymore
18:04.12gradyno ready script anybody? no? ;)
18:04.17annadaneNetTerminalGene, gnome 3.26 is the one current in sid and it's pretty close to freeze so unless gnome quickly releases a new version...
18:04.18SerajewelKSgrady: "ffmpeg -i oldfile.3gp ... newfile.mp4 && touch -r oldfile.3gp newfile.mp4"
18:04.24petn-randallashleyk: Can you show us the actual logs of the failure, along with the config files? You can use https://paste.debian.net for that.
18:04.27SerajewelKSgrady: it's a single command.  a script is overkill.
18:04.31gradyoh
18:04.59gradybut it isnt video even it is a 3gp.. so can that do audio too?
18:05.16mentor3gp is just a container format
18:05.18ashleykpetn-randall, there is no point, its a systemd problem.  it was persistent across reboots, but it was fixed permenantly? on the one system by simply systemctl stop networking.service; systemctl start networking.service
18:05.20gradyyep
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18:05.33SerajewelKSgrady: "ffmpeg -i file.3gp" will tell you what streams it contains
18:05.36ashleykso systemd losing track of...everything
18:05.45DammitJimuptrends looks interesting, petn-randall
18:05.49DammitJimthanks for your suggestion
18:06.10gradyevery day we learn something new :) thanks
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18:06.35ashleykso stop start cleared out some non-existent error systemd thought it had
18:06.38SerajewelKSgrady: if you just want to change the container, ffmpeg can remux assuming that the target container supports the audio and video codecs from the source
18:07.12ashleyki love debugging non issues caused by non-deterministic software
18:07.32mentorashleyk: Do you have a problem that you actually want to solve?
18:07.33SerajewelKSgrady: e.g. "ffmpeg -i oldfile.3gp -codec copy newfile.mp4"
18:07.42SerajewelKSgrady: but it's hard to say what you should do without knowing the problem you're trying to solve
18:07.47petn-randallashleyk: If you can't show any actual data, we can't help you. It's likely not a systemd issue, I can promise you.
18:07.52ashleykmentor, no one can solve systemd problems
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18:08.20mentorashleyk: Right, then you are off-topic; please hold your tongue.
18:08.24ashleykpetn-randall, i can show you how the systems were identical
18:08.30petn-randallashleyk: Again, an unproven claim.
18:08.31SerajewelKSall software is deterministic, you just may not be aware of the variables
18:08.48petn-randallashleyk: I'm not interested in that. I asked you to show us the logs of the failing system, with the config.
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18:08.57ashleykpetn-randall, it said iptables-restore was failing on line 35
18:08.57gradyi use acr call recorder with oneplus3, it works only if it save the calls to 3gp format, in onedrive and google drive players, they cannot handle it, because they trying to find video from there. but vlc can play just the audio from there.
18:08.58blackflowsystemd dependency graph is not deterministic, by design, tho'.
18:09.04ashleykpetn-randall, but it wasnt
18:09.15petn-randallashleyk: I'm 100% sure the systems are not identical, you have different hardware.
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18:09.28petn-randallashleyk: Post the actual logs please.
18:09.48SerajewelKSashleyk: on a hunch, does your iptables-restore input contain any hostnames?  or just IP blocks?
18:09.49gradyso i want change the format something proper audio format
18:10.02ashleykSerajewelKS, just ip blocks
18:10.10SerajewelKSi've hit issues trying to restore iptables during boot when the dump contains hostnames, and the network isn't up yet.  obviously you can't look up hostnames before the network is up.
18:10.12petn-randallI'm guessing it contains interface names, and they don't match up.
18:10.26SerajewelKSi don't think iptables cares if the interfaces don't exist though
18:10.28gradybut surely i want keep the date because these cloud services can use that to date the files
18:10.56ashleyklike i said, it kept saying Raise network interfaces failed, but everything was working, even across reboots it said itw as failing on line 35, but STOP then START got the error to go away forever
18:11.00ashleyknothing else changed
18:11.21SerajewelKSashleyk: if it said that then there should be a log somewhere with the iptables-restore output
18:11.23vincent-Hello. Could anyone help me with suspend and hibernate? I have posted in the forum but so far I got no replies: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=138758
18:12.03ashleykSerajewelKS, systemctl status networking.service dosnt show any error anymore
18:12.09petn-randallashleyk: Why can't you show us the logs then?
18:12.21SerajewelKSgrady: what codec does ffmpeg report the audio stream is?
18:12.40ashleykpetn-randall, i dont know where they are now that i fixed it
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18:13.09gradySerajewelKS: Stream #0:0(eng): Audio: amr_nb (samr / 0x726D6173), 8000 Hz, mono, flt, 12 kb/s (default)
18:13.15blackflowashleyk: journalctl -n 100 -p warning..crit
18:13.19SerajewelKSashleyk: the logs from the failure should still be available.  journalctl -u networking.service
18:13.27ashleykSerajewelKS, it was the COMMIT line
18:13.39gradyso it is amr then
18:13.41petn-randallashleyk: /var/log/daemon.log, or 'journalctl -u <failingservice>'.
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18:13.48blackflowit always is the commit line. can't debug it like that
18:14.02SerajewelKSgrady: yeah i'm not familiar with that codec.  so you'll probably have to transcode to something else.  mp3, vorbis, opus... take your pick.
18:14.25petn-randallashleyk: The channel's crystall ball is broken right now. So if you could kindly show us some actual data, we can actually help you.
18:14.42blackflowashleyk: iptables-restore has -t flag for testing, that helps
18:14.43ashleyki removed systemd
18:15.01petn-randallashleyk: Then how is it to blame?
18:15.12SerajewelKSashleyk: there likely was a real problem here and it likely wasn't systemd at all.  iptables-restore complaining about the commit line means that iptables-restore is what failed, not systemd.
18:15.13ashleyki just removed it now
18:15.23SerajewelKSsystemd just correctly reported the failure
18:15.26ashleykSerajewelKS, but it didnt fail
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18:15.28petn-randallashleyk: It won't fix your issue.
18:15.40SerajewelKSashleyk: but it did
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18:15.47SerajewelKSit may have been retried and succeeded the second time
18:15.51ashleykSerajewelKS, the iptables rules were active after rebooting but it still said it failed, doing stop start made it stop sayign it failed
18:16.02petn-randallashleyk: Ok, one last time. SHOW us actual data. Or we can't help you. Show us the failing iptables config.
18:16.09SerajewelKSbut it failed at least once, or you wouldn't have an error about the commit.  systemd isn't going to fabricate process-specific error messages.
18:16.17SerajewelKSsystemd didn't come up with the error about "commit" all by itself
18:16.22ashleykit was a systemd error, the iptables was fine, i ran it manually
18:16.33SerajewelKSheaddesks
18:16.36mvaenskaegot the buster installer working; remove the options "vga=788 quiet ---" and add "nomodeset nouveau.blacklist=yes"
18:16.41mvaenskaethat shouldn't be...
18:16.44petn-randallashleyk: Sounds like you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
18:17.01SerajewelKSashleyk: believe what you want, i'm done trying to help.  if you aren't going to apply logic to this troubleshooting process then we can't help you.
18:17.08blackflowashleyk: sounds like boot dependency/ordering issue, I saw that a few times.
18:17.11petn-randallashleyk: Kindly reboot, acknowledge it didn't fix the issue, then show us the actual data.
18:17.25ashleykyeah well i md5sum the firewall.conf, the iptables in if-pre-up.d, and checked executability on the if-pre-up.d script
18:17.27ashleykall matched
18:17.32ashleykjust one system was saying it failed, but it didnt
18:17.35SerajewelKSthat's irrelevant
18:17.37petn-randallashleyk: Still irrelevant.
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18:17.58petn-randallashleyk: Last warning. Can you show us the iptables or not?
18:18.25mentorThis is becoming rather unconstructive, and their are others that need help.
18:18.28ashleykok, well it confuses me too, which is why i asked how two identical systems can have one REPORT A FAKE FAILURE, across reboots until you stop start, then its all fixed for good
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18:19.16petn-randallashleyk: And we told you why you need to stop talking, and show us the ACTUAL DATA. Come back when you're willing to provide that, and stop wasting everyone's time.
18:20.05dutchfishashleyk, this could be anything, an adapter not bound, a driver that chokes on load, assuming the hardware is not the same. Your logs should tell.
18:20.15SerajewelKSashleyk left the channel already
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18:28.01mvaenskaeactually repeating the same command line results in a non-working installer... *sigh*
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18:29.11mentormvaenskae: Are you running the text or graphical installer?
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18:32.19mvaenskaementor: using buster-di-alpha3 disregarding whether i use the expert installer or the default selections for graphical and non-graphical; my gpu is set to hybrid graphics on per default and my fan is just spinning up rather... strongly
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18:33.30mvaenskaementor: using buster-di-alpha3 disregarding whether i use the expert installer or the default selections for graphical and non-graphical; my gpu is set to hybrid graphics on per default and my fan is just spinning up rather... strongly
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18:34.25kitelessHi. I'm trying to find a work-around for the following bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=838503
18:34.26juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/838503 in debian-installer (open): «debian-installer: mdadm should not start syncing RAID1 arrays at full speed during installation»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-09-21; last modified: 2017-11-27.
18:34.38kitelessI've found that when imaging a host, if I `echo 1000 > /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_max` I can throttle the raid sync and greatly speed up package installs. But I have thus far only been able to do this manually. I'm trying to find a way of setting this value early enough in preseed that it applies throughout the bulk of the package installs
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18:37.14kitelessIf anyone here has insight into the best way to set a kernel parameter in preseed, I'd appreciate the advice. I've tried several approaches including attempting to set the value in /etc/sysctl.conf and echoing it directly into '/proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_max' via preseed commands
18:37.34kitelessNothing seems to work, though the manual approach does.
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18:42.00mvaenskaeregarding the debian installer as well; how does one reuse a luks volume which holds an lvm configuration?
18:42.58mvaenskaeif i were to use the manual option and click "configure encrypted volumes" does it format then the volume?
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18:47.24hexhuntercan someone explain me why Kali is not supporting by default a resolution of 1920x1080 that is more ore less the most common of this universe?
18:47.54jhutchins_wkkali
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18:48.00jhutchins_wk!kali
18:48.00dpkgKali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>.  It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian.  Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ .  Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
18:48.41kitelessIs my question about preseed appropriate for this channel, or should I ask it somewhere else instead?
18:49.12jhutchins_wkkiteless: It's OK here.
18:49.16jhutchins_wk!preseed
18:49.16dpkg[preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation.  The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example.  See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 .  See also <debconf-set-selections>.
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18:52.59kitelessI'd like to throttle raid sync during preseed. Stretch package installations take around 2000 seconds where the equivalent set in Jessie takes ~300sec
18:53.34kitelessThis isn't a big deal for a single host or a handful, but if you're imaging hundreds, it gets to be a drag.
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18:55.05kitelessHas anyone had any luck setting a kernel parameter *during* preseed?
18:55.43hexhunterso debian support by default 1920x1080?
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19:00.45petn-randallhexhunter: yes
19:01.12petn-randallhexhunter: If you can reproduce the issue on pure Debian, we could help you with that. But I'm guessing the issue does not happen on Debian.
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19:03.12kitelessDoes anyone here have a good grasp of preseed in general? Maybe even if I can't get an answer for my specific question, I can get useful information that will help me test potential solutions
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19:12.32hexhunterall right thanks :)
19:12.45hexhunterill try later on and let u know
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19:15.50SerajewelKSmvaenskae: "how does one reuse a luks volume which holds an lvm configuration?" <-- i believe with manual partitioning.  there should be a way to unlock the luks volume, and from there the LVM should become available.
19:16.43gradyok, how i can say ffmpeg to convert all *.3gp files to *.mp3? if i doing it now, it trying to make "*.mp3* file :)
19:17.07SerajewelKSgrady: a shell for loop
19:17.11greycatYou probably want a for loop.
19:17.22gradyall hear
19:17.25greycatIf you give us the command to convert ONE file, we can write the loop to convert all of them.
19:17.43grady*ear
19:17.47SerajewelKSgrady: for i in *.3gp; do ffmpeg -i $i ... "$(basename $i .3gp).mp3"; done
19:17.55greycatQuotes are incorrect.
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19:18.01SerajewelKSassuming no spaces
19:18.13SerajewelKSright.  for spaces you want
19:18.16greycatWith multimedia files, spaces are practically guaranteed.
19:18.19gradyno spaces
19:18.22SerajewelKSgrady: for i in *.3gp; do ffmpeg -i "$i" ... "$(basename "$i" .3gp).mp3"; done
19:18.53SerajewelKS... is where your ffmpeg options do.  e.g. -c:a mp3
19:18.57SerajewelKSgo*
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19:20.06SerajewelKSif you want to preserve mtimes then you need to add the touch command to that loop as well
19:20.28gradyffmpeg -i *.3gp *.mp3 was how i trying it :) but best is if i can make a somekind of script, which can do this and with the "touch -r" and after all, then backup the original *.3gp files to some other directory :)
19:21.39gradybackup means mv
19:22.44SerajewelKSgrady: something like this https://gist.github.com/cdhowie/d98542ad8c1a42e69f20266d5446da75
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19:23.30gradyyes :)
19:23.32gradywow
19:23.43greycatDo you understand WHY   ffmpeg -i *.3gp *.mp3    does not work?
19:23.51gradyno
19:24.03greycatWho expands the *.3gp and when does this happen?
19:24.11kitelessWildcard just autoexpands all of that in place.
19:24.56gradyyes its kinda doing it right
19:25.41greycatThe shell expands the wildcards (globs) before executing ffmpeg.  ffmpeg sees the expanded list of filenames and has no idea what you actually typed.  So, ffmpeg might see something like   -i f1.3gp f2.3gp f7.mp3
19:25.54greycatDepending on what's already in the current directory.
19:25.57gradybash want to know little bit more
19:26.07gradyor ffmpeg on this case
19:26.45greycatBy the way, in #bash we would've used "${i%.3gp}.mp3" instead of SerajewelKS's basename approach.
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19:29.46gradyhmm
19:30.28greycat(but the basename version is also correct; it's just a tiny bit less efficient)
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19:31.10SerajewelKSand the amount of time lost to that inefficiency is so much less than the time ffmpeg actually spends transcoding that it'll be negligible
19:35.43gradyoh
19:35.45grady:)
19:36.17SerajewelKSit's just the overhead of creating an extra process each loop
19:38.53greycatAnyway, the *important* part is understanding how glob expansion works, and why the loop is required.
19:39.41SerajewelKSand even if the glob expansion didn't cause problems, i don't think ffmpeg understands how to process multiple files
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19:40.37gradyhmm, now i have one little problem, the mp3 what ffmpeg does if i give it just that file.mp3 (non any parameters) is too low quality
19:41.01greycatThat's why you needed to come up with the correct command to convert ONE file before worrying about the loop.
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19:42.44SerajewelKS-b:a sets the audio bitrate.  e.g. -b:a 320k
19:43.00kitelessAnyone here with insight into the preseed process?
19:43.04SerajewelKSor is it -a:b, i never can remember
19:43.09m_g_lewisDoes Debian have an IRC server?
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19:43.39greycatOf its own?  No.  It just uses the existing OFTC and Freenode networks.
19:43.58greycatOr did you mean, "Is there an irc server packaged?"  I'm sure there are several.
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19:44.02m_g_lewisgreycat: OK, Thanks...
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19:46.13annadaneisn't OFTC also named irc.debian.net?
19:46.22greycat!oftc
19:46.23dpkgOFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service.  They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net.  You may be connected to OFTC's network.  http://www.oftc.net/  See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>.
19:46.23kitelesstaps the mic "Is this thing on?"
19:46.45greycatirc.debian.org, not irc.debian.net
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19:46.59greycatirc.debian.org is an alias for irc.geo.oftc.net.
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20:06.45mvaenskaeSerajewelKS: i for one always used anna-install and manually loaded in the required components which i think is a bit... cumbersome so i was wondering what else i could do
20:07.01mvaenskaenot afraid of the terminal, it's rather much cleaner and precise than a GUI at times >.>
20:09.51gradyhey, thanks so much for everybody who helped me on this :) problem is solved \o/
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20:12.17velixAnyone into unpriv LXC? #lxcontainers is pretty dead. I've got some trouble with read/write of my shared-folder system between several unpriv-containers and the host. Would ACLs on the host be a solution? I've got a container for PHP, MySQL/MariaDB and NGINX.
20:15.40bitess#lxcontainers isn't dead. there is a dev responding regularly, you just have to wait. https://discuss.linuxcontainers.org/  is another good place to ask.
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20:22.21velixbitess: thanks
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20:57.09jhutchins_wkrant: Whereas a GUI can do real damage with one missed click.
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21:52.27EdePopede"at times" is the important part. btw, the Mother of all Demos will soon be reaching its 50th birthday.
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22:37.17juanghhello there #debian
22:38.03juanghplease, i would like a link, or some document, where i could read about the way to create a debian base distro
22:38.26juanghi want to derivate a personal distro with some especific tools
22:39.06juanghi would like to do it from terminal, i would like a link...
22:39.11juanghthanks!
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22:43.55EdePopedejuangh: does the last part of https://www.debian.org/derivatives/ look like what you're looking for?
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22:45.11juanghi read about it, but, there is no a guide, i will check it again EdePopede...Thanks!
22:45.59EdePopedejuangh: if you follow th link to Blends, there's a manual linked (i only wanted to set you to the beginning of the path ;))
22:46.25juanghhttps://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends
22:46.26n4dirjuangh: quite a while ago i tried refractasnapshot: https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/tools/
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22:46.50n4dirit's just a script, so it can be done just with commands.
22:47.05juanghaccessing n4dir
22:47.06juanghthanks
22:47.16juanghreading and searching things
22:47.48n4dirjuangh: if you need actual info, go to debianuserforums.org, refracta subforum, and ask there. Pretty silent there, but he answers quickly (usually)
22:48.05juanghthanks
22:48.24juanghI want to make a project...
22:48.52juanghi want to create a new distro for industrial enginner (i'm)
22:49.52juanghand i'm python developer too, and i use django as framework...so, i want to build this distro, with a few of tools that can be used to any who can need it...
22:50.05EdePopedewondering if Debian Games uses psdoom
22:50.13juanghso, thanks, any help or tutos, about way to creat it, is welcome...
22:50.28juanghi will start to read rigth now...
22:50.39juanghah!, +10 years using debian!
22:50.41n4dirjuangh: very vague remembering, but it is well possible that antiX also had/has such a tool. Ask in their forum too, perhaps
22:50.48juangh:-D
22:51.07juanghthanks, taking notes here...
22:51.11juanghantiX
22:51.13juanghthanks
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22:51.22n4dirjuangh: with refractasnapshot you install debian, configure it to your liking, then run said script and you will get a bootable and installable *iso.
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22:51.42juanghrigth now...doing it rigth now
22:52.21n4diryou could do it with live-helper, now live-builder, iirc, too, the official debian tool. But that option was removed. All if i recall correct. Been years i fooled with such
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23:39.45pink_vampirehi
23:40.02kitelessOne last try before the end of the day-- anyone good with preseed here?
23:40.21pink_vampirei need some help with a keyboad configuration
23:41.21pink_vampirehow do i find the key code for the volume keys?
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23:47.53awal1run xev from terminal and press the desired key, pink_vampire
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23:50.41pink_vampireawal1: i just get 0 0 0 0 00
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23:57.50michael2you should get somethink like: XF86AudioRaiseVolume
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