| 00:00.26 | rant | you can just right-click on the nm applet and goto edit connections, select wired connection, click edit, goto the ipv4 tab, and pull down the Method: Automatic (DHCP) and choose static |
| 00:00.28 | g0zzy | Yes. It's a NUC |
| 00:00.36 | rant | erm manual |
| 00:00.51 | rant | then hit the add button next to the addresses box |
| 00:01.08 | rant | fill in the address, netmask, and gateway |
| 00:01.17 | rant | and thats usually all you need |
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| 00:01.47 | g0zzy | I'll have a go. The pool goes from 64 to 253 |
| 00:02.01 | rant | so anything from 2 to 63 should work |
| 00:02.14 | g0zzy | Will have a go |
| 00:02.55 | rant | assuming it doesnt ignorantly have firewall rules to block things outside that pool :p |
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| 00:13.27 | g0zzy | Well i configured it but it certainly didn' appear (the address i used) on running ifconfig |
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| 00:14.02 | g0zzy | I also deleted 'Auto Ethernet' as that was insisting on using dhcp |
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| 00:15.28 | g0zzy | Ironically it used to have a static config in ../interfaces but i deleted that file on running into connection problems and thought i'd try my luck with NM |
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| 02:31.11 | awal1 | annadane, thanks for the trick. reconfiguring debconf solves my "issue" |
| 02:35.56 | awal1 | dpkg-reconfigure and 'console' mode chosen ; now i get notified in console mode, no more blue square bcoz of "dialog" mode |
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| 02:36.09 | awal1 | met ^ |
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| 02:51.10 | awal1 | ,v wikipedia2text |
| 02:51.11 | judd | Package: wikipedia2text on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.11-2; jessie: 0.11-3; stretch: 0.12-1; buster: 0.13-1; sid: 0.13-1 |
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| 02:54.20 | rant | hmm.. |
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| 02:58.40 | rant | wish I had known about that about a year ago when I was doing shit the hard way(tm) |
| 02:58.53 | rant | I was making books and then converting the books to text |
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| 03:01.44 | rant | this would make greycat shit a brick.. heh.. |
| 03:02.15 | rant | its implemented in bash.. and its parsing wikipedia with sed |
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| 03:23.24 | James8 | on a desktop i7-4770 is it worth the effort to compile your own kernel these days. much performace change? |
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| 03:32.57 | jim | James8, it could be, for example to enable features you want that weren't enabled before |
| 03:34.13 | jim | James8, it depends a -lot- on what you're trying to accomplish |
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| 03:38.11 | James8 | thanks kim |
| 03:38.14 | James8 | jim |
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| 04:10.02 | awal1 | rant wikipedia2text works well :P |
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| 08:19.56 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 08:19.56 | dpkg | <greycat> I will not run it on Solaris. I will not run it in Madrid or Paris. I will not run the Enterprise. I do not like it in my eyes. |
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| 08:42.22 | ws2k3 | is there something wrong with zookeeper on debian 9? i ran apt-get install zookeeper received no errors during install. and service zookeeper status shows me Unit zookeeper.service could not be found. |
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| 08:45.55 | ws2k3 | lol. apt-get install zookeeperd :) |
| 08:46.40 | Haohmaru | the zookeeper is dead, killed by one of the penguins |
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| 09:23.26 | gerforce | dpkg: error processing package procps (--configure): |
| 09:23.26 | dpkg | gerforce: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 09:23.29 | gerforce | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:24.17 | gerforce | i have encounterd this error, how can i fix it. |
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| 09:26.25 | at0m | gerforce: post the full output and the command you used to get there. also, more info in the script at /var/lib/dpkg/info/$package.postinst |
| 09:26.40 | at0m | gerforce: pastebin, not post here |
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| 09:32.24 | gerforce | at0m: here is the error:http://paste.debian.net/1046845/ |
| 09:33.23 | at0m | like the err says: "See 'systemctl status systemd-sysctl.service' and 'journalctl -xn' for details" |
| 09:33.58 | at0m | gerforce: if you need help with the output of those, pastebin them |
| 09:34.34 | at0m | they will give more details on why the service fails to start |
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| 09:59.48 | gerforce | at0m:alright,i'll check later. Have to go now. Thanks |
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| 10:32.25 | Cariveri | Hi. Is php7.1.3 going to in one of the debian stretch upgades soon? |
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| 10:33.31 | petn-randall | Cariveri: It's fairly unlikely. |
| 10:34.21 | Cariveri | So I would have to wait for debian buster somewhere md 2019? |
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| 10:35.46 | Cariveri | petn-randall: thanks for your reply. |
| 10:37.16 | petn-randall | Cariveri: Yes. If you need 7.1, you can always get it from 3rd party repos like https://deb.sury.org/. Though it's not supported by the Debian project, it's maintained by the same guy that's also maintaining the PHP packages in Debian. |
| 10:39.07 | Cariveri | petn-randall: nice. So it is rather tustworthy then. |
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| 10:43.42 | grady | i know how to split video files with ffmpeg, but only with time, how i can do that with filesize? like if i have over 10Gb file, i can split it from the half? |
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| 10:44.19 | colo-work | grady, so that you can still view/decode the individual chunks of the video file? |
| 10:44.40 | grady | yes? |
| 10:45.01 | selckin | its a compression format, so exact half will never be possible, so might aswel do it on time half |
| 10:45.42 | grady | but i dont know these times.. i just want to keep uploading my large videos to google photos :), there is 10gb filesize limit |
| 10:46.39 | grady | and i want do the splitting from termux :) |
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| 11:44.41 | BCMM | grady: i think selckin might have misunderstood. you can definitely reduce the file size of a video by losing quality |
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| 11:46.06 | BCMM | grady: that's what you want, right? keep the full length of the video, but reduce the quality? |
| 11:46.51 | BCMM | grady: btw, you know that, despite the presence of apt, termux isn't a Debian environment, right? (unless you install a fake chroot with debootstrap) |
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| 11:54.11 | grady | no, i dont want to reduce the file size, i want split it. |
| 11:54.26 | grady | one to two or more |
| 11:55.39 | BCMM | grady: oh right, i misunderstood. you want to split it after the first 5GB? |
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| 11:56.10 | Haohmaru | archive it in segments |
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| 11:57.11 | BCMM | grady: do you need to be able to watch the segments individually, without first combining them? |
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| 11:58.57 | grady | yes |
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| 11:59.30 | BCMM | it will certainly be easiest to just calculate a length from the desired file size |
| 11:59.49 | BCMM | then you can use ffmpeg's segment feature |
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| 12:00.29 | grady | but im not working just one video file, there is multiple over 10gigs files |
| 12:01.07 | BCMM | with different bitrates? |
| 12:01.53 | grady | perhaps |
| 12:02.15 | DrJ | question: when I issue the date command I get the correct local time. However, my logs, such as /var/log/mail.log are 4 hours ahead |
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| 12:02.43 | Haohmaru | logs from the future |
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| 12:03.19 | DrJ | other logs in /var/log are the same, 4 hours ahead |
| 12:03.34 | DrJ | my apache logs, stored in the user's home directory, have correct time |
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| 12:03.36 | DrJ | any ideas? |
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| 12:04.34 | Haohmaru | DrJ the command you ran, were you root? |
| 12:04.44 | DrJ | yes, and I'm root right now running date |
| 12:04.51 | DrJ | getting correct time |
| 12:05.18 | DrJ | if I recall correctly I modified the timezone with dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 12:06.20 | BCMM | grady: well, you can tell ffmpeg to stop after a certain size is reached. you can then take the resulting time and put it back in as the start time for another run of ffmpeg... |
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| 12:07.06 | BCMM | grady: somebody has a script to do this https://superuser.com/a/1354956 but i don't know how this deals with keyframes |
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| 12:08.25 | DrJ | eh okay, fixed |
| 12:08.27 | grady | i already looking that :) |
| 12:08.36 | DrJ | systemctl restart rsyslog |
| 12:08.39 | grady | it is close what i want |
| 12:08.49 | DrJ | guess it doesn't start using the right time until you restart it |
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| 13:03.51 | ikarosuusi | should I avoid appimage? |
| 13:04.07 | ikarosuusi | smells fishy |
| 13:04.24 | ikarosuusi | but lööv tuudii wants to do it |
| 13:04.50 | ikarosuusi | and im not completely sure |
| 13:04.56 | ikarosuusi | so doctor me on this one |
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| 13:08.42 | tsglove | do it ikarosuusi |
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| 13:16.57 | ikarosuusi | OK! |
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| 13:25.06 | Antares_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg9uzGQmhJw CYGO - Panda E (Lyrics) |
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| 13:30.58 | ayekat | Antares_: do you have a question� |
| 13:31.14 | TyrfingMjolnir | How can I make the nfs kernel server run? |
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| 13:32.01 | TyrfingMjolnir | I have made a /etc/exports file, and rebooted |
| 13:32.05 | greycat | Put something in /etc/exports, and then systemctl nfs-server start, and then possibly exportfs -a (not sure if starting the service does that for you) |
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| 13:32.52 | greycat | Also make sure your network interface is marked auto and not allow-hotplug. Otherwise the service will try to start before the interface is up, and that's just an idiotic default by Debian. :( |
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| 13:36.07 | greycat | (Well, idiotic for a traditional workstation or server of any kind. Clearly they chose that default because they assume everything is a laptop. For some reason.) |
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| 13:38.25 | TyrfingMjolnir | greycat: It says manual |
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| 13:38.39 | greycat | What says manual? Where? |
| 13:38.52 | TyrfingMjolnir | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:39.13 | TyrfingMjolnir | No auto. no allow-hotplug, but manual |
| 13:39.31 | greycat | ... huh? I see nothing about "manual" in interfaces(5) except as a plain English word in descriptive paragraphs, NOT as a part of the file syntax. |
| 13:39.41 | greycat | What do you actually see? |
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| 13:40.37 | TyrfingMjolnir | http://termbin.com/e98w |
| 13:41.20 | greycat | "man interfaces | grep manual" does not show me ANYTHING like that. I don't know what the hell that is. |
| 13:41.38 | ayekat | TyrfingMjolnir: are you sure you don't mean `static` there? |
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| 13:42.06 | ayekat | (although wait - in that case you'd also have the address specification below thatâ¦) |
| 13:42.59 | ayekat | joins greycat in wondering what TyrfingMjolnir expects `manual` to do |
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| 13:44.05 | greycat | Maybe some desktop-crap-thing put it there? I have no idea. |
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| 13:46.00 | TyrfingMjolnir | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/128439/good-detailed-explanation-of-etc-network-interfaces-syntax |
| 13:46.13 | TyrfingMjolnir | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/128439/good-detailed-explanation-of-etc-network-interfaces-syntax |
| 13:46.17 | TyrfingMjolnir | Example questions I have: what does inet in an iface line mean exactly (I could not even find it in the manpage), what does manual in an iface line mean exactly (many examples use it, but according to manpage it needs an extra config file then, which the examples don't present), when do I use or need them? When not? When I create a bridge, what exactly happens to the interfaces? |
| 13:46.23 | greycat | you think a stack exchange link is going to be more correct than the actual Debian man page? |
| 13:46.49 | greycat | there ARE NO examples in the man page that have the literal word "manual" in them. |
| 13:47.58 | TyrfingMjolnir | Manual means one will have to handle ifconfigs on ones own |
| 13:48.13 | Haohmaru | isn't ifconfig gone? |
| 13:48.13 | greycat | Where in the man page does it say this? |
| 13:48.24 | TyrfingMjolnir | inet manual â Does not define an IP address for an interface. Generally used by interfaces that are bridge or aggregation members, interfaces that need to operate in promiscuous mode (e.g. port mirroring or network TAPs), or have a VLAN device configured on them. It's a way to keep the interface up without an IP address. |
| 13:48.36 | ayekat | actually, there is `The manual Method` in interfaces(5) |
| 13:48.49 | greycat | "/inet manual" -> "Pattern not found (press RETURN)" |
| 13:48.50 | TyrfingMjolnir | It says on the so page that this is not in the man page, but in the online documentation |
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| 13:49.26 | greycat | TyrfingMjolnir: Well, you came here asking how to make shit work because it's not working, and I told you what I know. So you can either listen to me, or you can continue reading these stackexchange pages. |
| 13:50.26 | ayekat | greycat: interfaces(5) explains `manual`, actually (in the "INET ADDRESS FAMILY" section) - "methods available in the inet address family" (plus options) |
| 13:50.39 | greycat | It does not say you can put the LITERAL word manual into the file. |
| 13:51.00 | ayekat | it just doesn't show anything if you only grep for `inet manual` :-) |
| 13:51.14 | greycat | Unless I'm just unable to decipher what the man page means. |
| 13:51.19 | TyrfingMjolnir | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html |
| 13:51.26 | ayekat | greycat: according to the man page, you can |
| 13:51.51 | greycat | So, the boldface English headers contain a mixture of English and actual file syntax? Jesus. Who wrote this?! |
| 13:51.56 | ayekat | (at least if you can literally use `loopback`, `static`, `dhcp`, â¦) |
| 13:52.17 | ayekat | yeah, it's not well formatted |
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| 13:52.56 | greycat | So ANYWAY. Here is what I *know* because I found it out the hard way and by digging through actual scripts and shit. You MUST mark the interface as "auto" if you want it to be brought up by systemd before systemd brings up units that depend on "network" or "network-online". |
| 13:52.58 | TyrfingMjolnir | greycat: /\cmanual |
| 13:53.13 | greycat | The word "manual" is not "auto" and therefore it will not be brought up in time. |
| 13:53.14 | TyrfingMjolnir | greycat: which man page are you looking at? |
| 13:53.22 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 13:53.27 | greycat | DONE. |
| 13:53.31 | greycat | Listen to me or not. |
| 13:53.36 | TyrfingMjolnir | Listen to what? |
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| 14:09.15 | TyrfingMjolnir | greycat: Under which conditions can auto replace manual? |
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| 14:36.30 | mad_moses | Hi, I run debbian 9.4 on my server and I try to install pyproj without any success. Do you have an idea why it is not working? https://dpaste.de/aOwN |
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| 14:38.50 | petn-randall | mad_moses: Why not simply take the one already in the Debian repos? |
| 14:38.55 | petn-randall | ,v python-pyproj |
| 14:38.56 | judd | Package: python-pyproj on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.8.9-1+b1; jessie: 1.8.9-1.1+b2; stretch: 1.9.5.1-2+b1; buster: 1.9.5.1-4; sid: 1.9.5.1-4 |
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| 14:39.06 | petn-randall | or rather |
| 14:39.11 | petn-randall | ,v python3-pyproj |
| 14:39.12 | judd | Package: python3-pyproj on amd64 -- jessie: 1.8.9-1.1+b2; stretch: 1.9.5.1-2+b1; buster: 1.9.5.1-4; sid: 1.9.5.1-4 |
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| 14:39.28 | mad_moses | petn-randall: because I work in a python virtualenv (venv) |
| 14:40.35 | greycat | You're still allowed to install the Debian package and use it. |
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| 14:40.53 | greycat | The virtualenv would be used for containing all the things that *aren't* packaged. |
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| 14:42.14 | mad_moses | greycat: if I try to import this package in my virtualenv it is not there |
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| 14:43.52 | darxmurf | how do you debug what's wrong with winbind where it just returns an error while installing ? it says winbind.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. |
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| 14:44.07 | mad_moses | apt-get install build-essential python-all-dev <-- this solved it |
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| 14:46.09 | petn-randall | mad_moses: Yeah, if you install something with pip install, you'll have to read up the module's documentation what is needed to install it. If you install Debian packages, they're guaranteed to work as intended. |
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| 14:50.51 | nkuttler | mad_moses: create the env with --system-site-packages, or just delete the text file inside that's names similarly.. then you can load system libs too |
| 14:51.06 | mad_moses | nkuttler: thx |
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| 14:51.57 | nkuttler | mad_moses: no-global-site-packages.txt |
| 14:52.24 | mad_moses | nkuttler: found it, thx |
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| 15:08.40 | SerajewelKS | i forget, is rsync smart enough to synchronize only metadata changes (mode/mtime) if the content hasn't changed? |
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| 15:09.16 | greycat | it'll have to read the two files and exchange checksums to be sure the content is the same |
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| 15:09.43 | nkuttler | SerajewelKS: do you mean, to avoid checking the file content? |
| 15:09.58 | RoyK | greycat: something like debsums? |
| 15:10.17 | SerajewelKS | greycat: right but that happens on each end, e.g. the data isn't transmitted. right? |
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| 15:10.42 | greycat | It's supposed to, yes. |
| 15:10.53 | greycat | Ask #rsync if you have more detailed concerns. |
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| 15:11.04 | SerajewelKS | i couldn't remember if checksum compares are a default thing or if you have to enable them |
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| 15:12.58 | SerajewelKS | there's -c but i think that just turns off using metadata to quickly skip files without a comparison of content |
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| 15:14.21 | RoyK | SerajewelKS: I don't think it does - but it does use a hell of a lot of cpu/io |
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| 15:14.58 | SerajewelKS | yeah the manpage says that's what it does |
| 15:15.05 | greycat | -v will tell you how much data is transferred, so you can test it |
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| 15:15.16 | SerajewelKS | "This changes the way rsync checks if the files have been changed and are in need of a transfer. Without this option, rsync uses a "quick check" that (by default) checks if each fileâs size and time of last modification match between the sender and receiver. This option changes this to compare a 128-bit checksum for each file that has a matching size." |
| 15:15.28 | RoyK | SerajewelKS: last time I used -c with rsync was some years back and the difference in time with an rsync with or without -c was a lot |
| 15:15.30 | petn-randall | IIRC checksums are compared before copying. rsync was invented to trade more CPU usage vs less bandwidth, so I'd assume that's how it operates. |
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| 15:15.56 | greycat | -c appears to *force* a checksum even if the metadata matches |
| 15:16.03 | petn-randall | this ^ |
| 15:16.09 | SerajewelKS | RoyK: yeah. that's because -c tells it not to trust the mtimes. normally if the mtime and size matches it will skip the file assuming it's in sync. |
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| 15:16.29 | SerajewelKS | i guess in my case it won't really matter because the metadata doesn't match. i want rsync to sync up the metadata. |
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| 15:17.10 | SerajewelKS | but i guess it would be good to sanity check that the content matches anyway, so i think a plain ol' standard rsync invocation is what i want |
| 15:17.14 | RoyK | mtime/ctime are easy to manipulate with a single 'touch' command, so better don't trust them |
| 15:18.08 | SerajewelKS | RoyK: well if you're using rsync without -c then it's kind of assumed that you aren't doing things like changing the contents of a file and then changing the mtime back to the time of the last sync |
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| 15:18.19 | SerajewelKS | e.g. it trusts the users not to intentionally try to trick it |
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| 15:18.23 | RoyK | whoever first writes a cryptovirus or worm with mtime/ctime changes will get a lot of money |
| 15:18.28 | SerajewelKS | but -c is there if the sysadmin doesn't trust the users :P |
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| 15:19.03 | RoyK | a sysadmin should never trust his or her users ;) |
| 15:19.28 | SerajewelKS | well, yes. in my case i'm both. though i'm not sure i trust me. :) but i'm pretty sure i'm not trying to fool rsync with fake timestamps either. |
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| 15:22.02 | dive-o | Can someone point me to a document that describes how to change the version string in a package I'm building from sources obtained by apt-get source? Namely, I want to replace the "bpo" with something else so I can tell this is a customized package and not the stock backports package |
| 15:22.20 | greycat | ,file bin/dch |
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| 15:22.25 | judd | Search for bin/dch in stretch/amd64: devscripts: usr/bin/dch; pkg-haskell-tools: var/lib/pkg-haskell-tools/bin/dch |
| 15:22.39 | greycat | dive-o: The "easy" way: install devscripts, and use the dch command to edit the changelog. |
| 15:22.54 | dive-o | cool, i'll look at that. thanks |
| 15:22.55 | greycat | Unless that's been superseded by something. My knowledge may be old. |
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| 15:23.48 | galaxie | Just to be on the safe side, do I have to do some sort of eject command or other before I pull out a USB Bluetooth adapter/dongle? |
| 15:23.56 | galaxie | Or like turn off bluetooth or something? |
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| 15:24.14 | Orbstheorem | Hello, how do I report a bug agains a package too old? (ie. one major version behind upstream). Where do I find this information? |
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| 15:24.35 | greycat | Orbstheorem: file it as a "wishlist" bug |
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| 15:25.48 | dive-o | galaxie: I never have, for what thats worth. disabling bluetooth first might be a good idea but I haven't had issues |
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| 15:26.30 | greycat | Orbstheorem: which package is it? |
| 15:26.32 | galaxie | dive-o: And what's a quick command to do that? systemctl stop bluetooth? |
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| 15:38.27 | thms | I want to do somethng simple: I've got three screenshots, I want to arrenge them in one picture. With MS paint i'd open, ctrl+c, and ctrl+v in a new sheet |
| 15:38.29 | dive-o | galaxie: depends on which bluetooth stack you have installed, could also be bluez. been a while for me |
| 15:38.41 | thms | Yet I tried gnome-paint and xfce-paint and can't seem to do it |
| 15:38.58 | galaxie | dive-o: bluez |
| 15:39.01 | SerajewelKS | thms: could use gimp |
| 15:39.17 | dive-o | does apt consider the version string after the tilde in versions like 1.2.3-4~whatever+5.6 when deciding what the latest package is? |
| 15:39.26 | SerajewelKS | dive-o: yes |
| 15:39.34 | greycat | every character in the version string has a meaning |
| 15:40.02 | SerajewelKS | dive-o: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#version |
| 15:40.02 | dive-o | excellent |
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| 15:40.18 | greycat | https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-version |
| 15:40.24 | greycat | <- slow :( |
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| 15:42.45 | RoyK | thms: gimp should do it easily |
| 15:44.37 | thms | RoyK, yup, with import as layer. But i found it too overkill |
| 15:45.21 | RoyK | it just works |
| 15:45.37 | colo-work | thms, check out http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/montage/ |
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| 15:46.24 | thms | RoyK, yeah but I'm glad I had it installed already, otherwise ... all those MB to be downloaded :( |
| 15:46.27 | colo-work | or http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/layers/ |
| 15:46.53 | thms | thanks colo-work |
| 15:49.38 | eiku | Hello. I am using my own desktop computer with Debian Stretch and PHP7.0 running through Apache2.4.25-3. Now I would like to install PHP7.2, but I am afraid I might break things if I just replace the existing install with the new version. |
| 15:50.27 | eiku | Is this a risk? |
| 15:50.34 | SerajewelKS | eiku: PHP 7.2 is not in debian stable |
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| 15:51.49 | eiku | SerajewelKS: yes, I have downloaded an archive from php.net. The reason I want to install it is that a company Iâm applying at has sent me an exercise that requires php7.2 at least to run⦠And I am not confident enough that I can complete the exercise without any testing |
| 15:52.19 | greycat | Oh jesus. |
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| 15:52.25 | SerajewelKS | eiku: honetly in that case i would do a fresh install of debian in a virtual machine |
| 15:52.33 | greycat | If you insist on stepping outside of Debian stable, at least use the sury repository. |
| 15:52.34 | SerajewelKS | eiku: install PHP 7.2 in there so you don't screw up your base system |
| 15:52.50 | SerajewelKS | or even a debootstrap chroot. anything but your actual system. |
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| 15:54.04 | SerajewelKS | virtual machines are a godsend for exactly this situation |
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| 15:54.55 | eiku | SerajewelKS: I was going to say Iâd rather go for the chroot (less disk space involved)⦠but if a VM is preferable, I might try and make some room for it. |
| 15:57.37 | SerajewelKS | less disk space yeah. VMs are more isolated and much easier to (correctly) set up though. and if this is a one-time exercise, you can reclaim the disk space soon enough. |
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| 15:58.50 | SerajewelKS | though 7.2 is in sid. so a sid chroot could work. |
| 15:59.02 | greycat | Just use the sury repository. |
| 15:59.06 | greycat | https://packages.sury.org/php/README.txt |
| 15:59.21 | eiku | OK, just checked: I still have more than 40GB free, so I suppose the VM solution will be possible too. |
| 15:59.34 | SerajewelKS | or that. if you want to keep your system stretch-pure then you could use sury in a VM. |
| 15:59.48 | SerajewelKS | eiku: a 5-10GB virtual disk will be more than enough |
| 16:00.34 | SerajewelKS | virtualbox has growing disks too. e.g. only written sectors actually get allocated, so a 10GB virtual disk will only use as much space on the host as the size of the sectors the guest has used. |
| 16:01.02 | SerajewelKS | i can't remember if kvm/libvirt has a similar concept |
| 16:02.04 | eiku | This will be my first time installing a VM, though, so Iâm probably up for some reading first! Anyway, thanks a lot, now at least I have a more immediate solution. |
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| 16:03.06 | SerajewelKS | eiku: virtualbox (which is in debian) with NAT networking is pretty much install-and-go. you just need an ISO to boot from, which you can grab from debian.org. |
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| 16:04.33 | SerajewelKS | i hear virt-manager is good too. been a long time since i've used it though so i can't offer advice there. |
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| 16:18.04 | RoyK | eiku: did you try kvm? |
| 16:19.01 | eiku | Iâm installing virt-manager (and the Debian package depends on qemu and kvm I think, so theyâll be installed along too) |
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| 16:23.47 | galaxie | So, I'm trying to use xwiimote and have a script that works, except for the fact I have to be root to get access to the Wii Balance Board. Is there a way I can give my non-root account access? |
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| 16:35.03 | SerajewelKS | galaxie: it's been a long time since i used xwiimote but IIRC you're going to have to give your regular users access to the bluetooth stack, which depends on the bluetooth daemon you're using |
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| 16:37.59 | galaxie | SerajewelKS: I believe I use bluez? Like, I'm connected right now via bluetoothctl. |
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| 16:40.22 | chuuna | I'm a big fan of debian but I dont like their wiki (moinmoin) why not use MediaWiki like archlinux? |
| 16:40.30 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 16:40.52 | galaxie | SerajewelKS: OK, so apparently I'm already a member of plugdev?? |
| 16:41.10 | chuuna | cant debian migrate to mediawiki instead? |
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| 16:46.22 | rcctl | chuuna: just import the MoinMoin wiki, convert it, and post a mirror, everyone will reap the same benefits you are looking for. |
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| 17:00.22 | SerajewelKS | chuuna: "i don't like it" isn't really a good reason for the sysadmin to migrate |
| 17:00.29 | SerajewelKS | what happens when someone else decides they don't like mediawiki? |
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| 17:01.32 | galaxie | SerajewelKS: Would I have to write a udev rule or something? |
| 17:01.51 | galaxie | SerajewelKS: I already have this: KERNEL=="event*", SUBSYSTEM=="input", DRIVERS=="wiimote", MODE="0666" |
| 17:01.59 | SerajewelKS | galaxie: i'm honestly not entirely sure |
| 17:02.12 | SerajewelKS | it's been ages since i've used bluetooth on linux |
| 17:02.37 | galaxie | SerajewelKS: Any way to debug things or get log messages? |
| 17:02.41 | SerajewelKS | but i thought that access was managed by a daemon, so the daemon is what controlled access |
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| 17:04.03 | _khrys_ | Hi, I've done an apt-get full-upgrade yesterday on my debian stretch and it turns out that enigmail was broken during this upgrade and when trying to (re)install it with apt install enigmail here is what I get : |
| 17:04.23 | _khrys_ | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 17:04.24 | _khrys_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:04.26 | _khrys_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:04.28 | _khrys_ | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 17:04.51 | SerajewelKS | _khrys_: IIRC enigmail in debian does not work following the thunderbird upgrade to 60 |
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| 17:05.08 | SerajewelKS | _khrys_: you should install enigmail from the thunderbird addon manager instead |
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| 17:05.28 | _khrys_ | ok thanks |
| 17:05.32 | SerajewelKS | but i recall reading that wasn't possible either because of a dependency on a newer gnupg |
| 17:05.51 | _khrys_ | yes, it is quite weird what I get... |
| 17:05.52 | SerajewelKS | so YMMV. "held broken packages" suggests you should "apt-get -f install" though, to iron out a lingering problem |
| 17:06.35 | SerajewelKS | basically, mozilla stopped supporting firefox and thunderbird 52 ESR because of their ESR schedule. 60 is the new ESR. but 60 breaks a lot of stuff (XUL addons) |
| 17:07.05 | SerajewelKS | so it forced debian's hand. debian can't keep supporting 52 ESR without security updates from mozilla. so debian either ships an insecure browser, or breaks most of the addons in the repository. |
| 17:07.07 | zerocool | what's a good soft phone for linux, any suggestions? |
| 17:07.14 | _khrys_ | apt-get -f install returns the same error |
| 17:07.36 | _khrys_ | that's sad for enigmail... |
| 17:07.49 | SerajewelKS | it kind of sucks all around but i don't know what else debian could have done |
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| 17:08.30 | galaxie | SerajewelKS: Aha! I enabled some debugging logs and here's what I found: bluetoothd[20761]: Authentication attempt without agent |
| 17:08.45 | _khrys_ | SerajewelKS: ok thanks for this information |
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| 17:09.00 | SerajewelKS | _khrys_: further reading: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=909000 |
| 17:09.04 | SerajewelKS | there may be a workaround in that thread |
| 17:09.14 | _khrys_ | thanks a lot :-) |
| 17:09.19 | SerajewelKS | np |
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| 17:10.47 | SerajewelKS | _khrys_: the first suggestion i see is "install gnupg from stretch-backports and manually backport enigmail from testing" |
| 17:11.25 | SerajewelKS | if you install gnupg from backports you may be able to install enigmail from the thunderbird addon manager instead |
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| 17:11.57 | _khrys_ | ok thanks I'll try and let you know :-) |
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| 17:14.03 | galaxie | Are Bluetooth devices registered as /dev/hidraw* ? |
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| 17:19.04 | chuuna | SerajewelKS: I guess more people would have been contrubuting to MediaWiki |
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| 17:20.24 | avis | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAb_bCtKuXg&start_radio=1&list=RDCAb_bCtKuXg |
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| 17:21.24 | chuuna | look at Wikipedia, Wikimedia, Archwiki etc etc. |
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| 17:24.39 | SerajewelKS | chuuna: that's a reason to switch from a working system? |
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| 17:26.53 | SerajewelKS | chuuna: if wikipedia used opensuse on their servers, you should abandon debian and use opensuse instead. right? |
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| 17:39.02 | chuuna | no, I like Debian but would like to make it even better |
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| 17:44.46 | johnfg | Hi folks |
| 17:45.04 | johnfg | apt update told me there were 4 upgrades. |
| 17:45.23 | johnfg | but apt upgrade held the 4 back! Don't know if I've seen this before. |
| 17:45.29 | johnfg | What to do? |
| 17:45.32 | greycat | apt update ... told ... huh? |
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| 17:46.03 | greycat | Oh, wow, it actually does that. Interesting. |
| 17:46.04 | johnfg | greycat: i.e., 4 packages can be upgraded. |
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| 17:46.16 | greycat | Still not enough to make me switch over. Not with that horrible yellow. |
| 17:46.17 | avis | people get executed next door to my house |
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| 17:47.31 | avis | it was my very own, BEFORE -- "They offbranded" |
| 17:47.50 | johnfg | greycat: aptitude reported the same thing. |
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| 17:48.22 | greycat | Yeah, not switching to aptitude either. |
| 17:48.35 | avis | 62% of you have bad weather -- cannot do ? |
| 17:48.35 | johnfg | greycat: What do you use? |
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| 17:48.47 | avis | do you bury a military ? |
| 17:48.54 | greycat | apt-get -u upgrade |
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| 17:49.14 | greycat | avis: do you have a Debian question? |
| 17:49.19 | avis | no. it was not good |
| 17:49.28 | greycat | avis: are you a person? or a robot? |
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| 17:49.38 | avis | that is not old |
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| 17:50.00 | johnfg | calendar-google-provider icedove lightning thunderbird are what's being kept back, by apt-get -u upgrade as well. |
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| 17:51.23 | greycat | johnfg: try installing one of them explicitly and see what happens |
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| 17:51.37 | greycat | but I suspect it's just more thunderbird crap |
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| 17:52.19 | johnfg | greycat: will do. |
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| 17:56.04 | magyar | hi, where can I get kernel 4.17 for buster? |
| 17:56.29 | greycat | !debian-next |
| 17:56.29 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 17:56.56 | RoyK | ,v linux-image |
| 17:56.57 | judd | No package named 'linux-image' was found in amd64. |
| 17:57.02 | RoyK | ,v kernel |
| 17:57.03 | judd | No package named 'kernel' was found in amd64. |
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| 18:03.29 | BCMM | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 18:03.30 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-security: 3.2+46+deb7u2; jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 4.9+80+deb9u4~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u5; stretch-proposed-updates: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch-backports: 4.18+98~bpo9+1; buster: 4.18+98; sid: 4.18+99 |
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| 18:09.06 | V7 | Hey all |
| 18:09.24 | V7 | Could anyone help with VNC and wird key mapping? |
| 18:09.33 | V7 | weird* |
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| 18:20.53 | johnfg | greycat: http://dpaste.com/18YR9RT |
| 18:21.40 | greycat | enigmail again. were you here for the last one, or did you just join... |
| 18:21.50 | johnfg | just joined... |
| 18:22.04 | greycat | 13:04 _khrys_> enigmail : Depends: thunderbird (>= 1:52.0) but it is not going to be installed or |
| 18:22.14 | greycat | 13:44 johnfg> Hi folks |
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| 18:22.35 | johnfg | greycat: So, I must have just missed it, eh? |
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| 18:23.00 | johnfg | greycat: would you suggest then removing the enigmail? |
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| 18:23.29 | greycat | johnfg: http://paste.debian.net/1046911/ |
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| 18:26.14 | johnfg | greycat: I guess maybe I'll leave well enough alone. |
| 18:26.29 | muke | hey, I'm trying to use unstable backports from testing and I'm getting a little confused - I've added the line in sources.list with unstable-backports but apt says the repo has no release file. Am I using the wrong name for the repo? |
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| 18:29.22 | mspe | yes |
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| 18:30.21 | muke | mspe, so what's the correct name to use? |
| 18:31.02 | mspe | currently stretch-backports |
| 18:31.04 | greycat | muke: what version of Debian are you using? |
| 18:31.16 | muke | greycat as I said, Testing, so Buster |
| 18:31.18 | mspe | (if you're using stretch) |
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| 18:32.01 | muke | mspe if I understand correctly, if I want packages from unstable, I need the unstable backport in sources.list right? why would I use strech-backports |
| 18:32.04 | greycat | I was hoping you had simply used an ambiguous wording and you really meant "I'm on stretch but I'm trying to use an unstable backport from testing..." |
| 18:32.20 | greycat | !debian-next |
| 18:32.20 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 18:32.36 | greycat | In any case, we don't support testing users here, so we can just pawn you off on the other channel. |
| 18:32.45 | muke | oh, sorry I wasn't aware there were two channels |
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| 18:32.58 | greycat | ... and yet he's using testing. |
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| 18:33.14 | muke | first time I haven't been able to google an issue lol |
| 18:33.30 | muke | ok well thanks anyway |
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| 18:37.52 | vincent- | Hello. Could anyone help me with suspend and hibernate? I have posted in the forum but so far I got no replies: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=138758 |
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| 18:57.46 | rant | vincent-: have you tried pm-suspend and pm-hibernate |
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| 19:48.24 | tmroland | hi |
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| 20:15.04 | azamet_ | hi |
| 20:15.23 | azamet_ | where r u bro |
| 20:15.28 | azamet_ | i did forget your name |
| 20:15.29 | azamet_ | :D |
| 20:16.18 | azamet_ | pls write me private bro |
| 20:17.45 | azamet_ | can anybody pls help me |
| 20:17.55 | annadane | azamet_, only if you specify what you need help with |
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| 20:18.17 | n4dir | if possible in plain English. |
| 20:18.34 | azamet_ | there was one guy helping me i did lost him my problem is i have kali linux kde and i cant change my proxy settings from system settings it is not saving |
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| 20:18.44 | greycat | !kali |
| 20:18.45 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
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| 20:19.52 | annadane | also consider not using kali/parrot/pentesting distros in general as a desktop |
| 20:19.56 | annadane | !whynotpentesting |
| 20:19.57 | dpkg | For some reasons why Kali/Parrot/Other based-on-Debian penetration testing distributions shouldn't be used as a home desktop, see https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/399626/why-is-kali-linux-so-hard-to-set-up-why-wont-people-help-me |
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| 20:21.28 | azamet_ | no one is online on kali linux room :/ |
| 20:21.32 | azamet_ | pls help me someone man |
| 20:21.39 | annadane | then try ##linux |
| 20:21.55 | somiaj | kali is not a distro for people to learn on, the users of kali are expected to understand linux and pentesting. Read the link that was pated. |
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| 20:22.58 | n4dir | perhaps i look at it the wrong way: but each of the hundreds of tools included in Kali take quite a while to learn. Would probably make more sense to install the one you want to learn on a usual distribution, as long you are not a professional pentester (if such a thing exists ... ). |
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| 20:24.12 | annadane | it's not that we're trying to be mean by not giving you support, it's that kali is not debian and we have no idea what specific changes kali made, our advice could only make the problem worse |
| 20:25.19 | at0m | n4dir: and more of these tools can be easily apt installed on debian or other distro's, for that matter |
| 20:25.27 | at0m | s/more/most |
| 20:26.09 | n4dir | at0m: yup. As anyone else i looked at kali, being very naive. Couldn't make no sense of it (the included tools) |
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| 20:26.38 | n4dir | well: i could make sense of it, but i realized that that is something you don't learn easily. |
| 20:26.38 | somiaj | Even kali's FAQ page says it is not a distro to learn on. Debian can be a bit hard to learn on in the first place, but one advantage of learning on debian (before moving to kali) is you get the people of #debian to help. |
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| 20:29.50 | at0m | keeps the partyvan from stopping in front of the house, too |
| 20:30.07 | n4dir | ha ha. Yeas. |
| 20:31.49 | vincent- | rant, thanks for answering. I just installed pm-utils and tried pm-suspend and pm-hibernate. They didn't work. |
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| 20:32.34 | at0m | dpkg: tell vincent- about doesnt work |
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| 20:34.40 | vincent- | at0m, pm-suspend and pm-hibernate don't work and don't show any error message. They behave exactly as "systemctl suspend" and "systemctl hibernate", as described in my post on Debian forums: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=138758 |
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| 20:37.12 | at0m | vincent-: searched for that (red) file, do you have /lib/systemd/system/systemd-suspend.service ? |
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| 20:39.00 | vincent- | at0m, yes, I do have it. |
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| 20:40.17 | at0m | dpkg-query -S says it belongs to systemd, so nothing special to install for that.. hm |
| 20:41.33 | vincent- | at0m, systemd already provides all the services you need for suspending and hibernating. I think my problem is in the kernel. As I say in that forum post, with a 4.4.x kernel I'm able to hibernate (but not suspend). |
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| 20:42.20 | vincent- | I have tried to hibernate on kernels newer or equal 4.5.0 on different distros (Debian, Fedora and Gentoo), and it failed on all of them. |
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| 20:43.03 | at0m | i wonder what that means "Job hibernate.target/start failed with result 'dependency'." |
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| 20:43.50 | at0m | admittedly, i'm not all that fluent in systemd |
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| 20:44.23 | vincent- | at0m, systemd's hibernate.target triggers other things when you do "systemctl start hibernate.target". In the post I wrote in the forum, I run a command to show the dependencies of hibernate.target. |
| 20:44.53 | vincent- | In order for hibernate.target to work, all its dependencies need to run first (and don't fail). |
| 20:45.15 | vincent- | at0m, in my case, one of them fail, that's why is marked in red. |
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| 20:46.15 | at0m | i see, hence the "journalctl -r -u and systemctl status systemd-hibernate.service" |
| 20:46.32 | vincent- | Yes. |
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| 20:47.19 | vincent- | Right now I'm building Debian packages for kernel 4.4.116. I will try if it's able to hibernate my laptop. |
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| 20:47.46 | vincent- | s/4.4.116/4.4.160/ |
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| 20:50.31 | at0m | vincent-: and i suppose you have good reason not to update to 4.9, which is current in stretch? |
| 20:50.42 | at0m | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 20:50.43 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-security: 3.2+46+deb7u2; jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 4.9+80+deb9u4~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u5; stretch-proposed-updates: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch-backports: 4.18+98~bpo9+1; buster: 4.18+98; sid: 4.18+99 |
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| 20:52.12 | at0m | i guess so, since you're building for 4.4.160 |
| 20:52.16 | vincent- | at0m, I'm already using a 4.9. kernel (the one that comes with Debian). For me, any kernel newer or equal than 4.5.0 fails to hibernate my laptop. |
| 20:53.05 | vincent- | I'm quite sure that 4.4.160 (last one in the 4.4.x series) will be able to hibernate it. |
| 20:53.49 | vincent- | Perhaps I could start bisecting the changes between 4.4.160 and 4.5.0 to find which commit introduced the problem. |
| 20:53.57 | blackmajic | i just purchased a HP Envy-15.. using the RTL8188EE driver, it wont locate or connect to any wireless N networks. and i cant figurer out why, any help would be nice |
| 20:54.37 | at0m | vincent-: courage =) |
| 20:54.59 | karlpinc | !tell blackmajic about pciid |
| 20:55.37 | karlpinc | blackmajic: A good place to start would be to check that you're using the right driver. See the <pciid> factoid and chase through the recommended procedure. |
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| 20:56.33 | blackmajic | Where would i locate PCI ID? |
| 20:57.07 | greycat | lspci -nn, usually |
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| 20:57.34 | blackmajic | yeah i just remembered that sorry |
| 20:57.55 | annadane | i wonder how many people actually realize they'd been sent a private message, it's not necessarily obvious |
| 20:57.57 | annadane | anyway, whatever |
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| 20:59.06 | annadane | if dpkg had a, like, "sent a private message to foo about factoid"... |
| 20:59.14 | blackmajic | according to the debian website, i should be using iwlwifi |
| 20:59.37 | blackmajic | Which is what i am using. |
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| 20:59.58 | abrotman | annadane: That would be just as noisy? |
| 21:00.14 | abrotman | it tells the sender and the recipient. |
| 21:00.22 | annadane | fair enough |
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| 21:01.09 | m_g_lewis | I'm having problems connecting to my ISP's modem via ethernet cable... |
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| 21:01.44 | at0m | annadane: if they're experienced on irc, they should be able to find the query. if they're not, i assume they dont have 200 windows open and would see the extra tab/window/.. |
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| 21:02.14 | g0zzy | My researches tell me that Linux almost never caches DNS. Yet ssh foo shows an old address for foo. Yet the gateway machine and name resolver knows the new address for foo. So what gives? |
| 21:02.56 | at0m | g0zzy: ~/.ssh/config ? |
| 21:03.03 | greycat | 1) check ~/.ssh/config; 2) check "getent hosts foo"; 3) check /etc/nsswitch.conf; 4) check /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:03.25 | g0zzy | Hmm. Looking |
| 21:04.24 | g0zzy | 1) Non-standard port 2222 is specified. Nothing else |
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| 21:05.48 | g0zzy | 2. foo shows correct address. foo.home (fully-qualified) shows OLD address |
| 21:06.05 | greycat | 5) check /etc/hosts |
| 21:06.12 | m_g_lewis | Here is the output of ifconfig -a http://paste.debian.net/1046934/ |
| 21:06.51 | g0zzy | 5) Doh! |
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| 21:07.06 | m_g_lewis | Does that mean that I have the correct drivers installed since it sees the interface? |
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| 21:10.28 | g0zzy | has no recollection of why that ever got in there |
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| 21:12.38 | blackmajic | Any idea why, gnome, cinnamon, blackbox, fluxbox wont work on a HP Envy-15, but MATE works perfectly? |
| 21:13.04 | g0zzy | Thanks folks |
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| 21:15.59 | kiteless | If my experience with blackbox/fluxbox is anything to go on, it's because you've spent less than the 12 requisite hours fidgeting blindly with your config files. |
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| 21:16.34 | blackmajic | kiteless, im using a stock xorg.conf |
| 21:16.57 | kiteless | I think I see your problem right there |
| 21:16.59 | at0m | blackmajic: no xorg.conf is needed anymore, iiuc |
| 21:17.12 | blackmajic | i switched from nvidia video card, to a INTEL (pulled the main drive from my old laptop and stuck it in here) and working out the bugs one at a time |
| 21:17.30 | greycat | start by renaming or moving the xorg.conf file so it's not used |
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| 21:17.36 | blackmajic | at0m, i know. i didnt use a xorg.conf with my nvidia laptop |
| 21:17.47 | blackmajic | greycat, already did that |
| 21:18.05 | at0m | i still have fluxbox for backup when my default DE fails, and don't config anything special for it. no need to 12hrs config'ing anything. customisation, maybe. |
| 21:18.20 | blackmajic | im starting to think its my kernel. ive been seeing alot of topics where people are owngrading and resolving my issues |
| 21:20.05 | m_g_lewis | How do I configure the IP address that DHCP uses? |
| 21:20.35 | at0m | m_g_lewis: in the DHCP server config |
| 21:21.04 | at0m | m_g_lewis: if i read ok, you connect to the modem from your ISP? then the dhcpd is out of your hands.. |
| 21:22.41 | m_g_lewis | atOm: When I do ifup enp6s0 (the name for eth0) I get DHCPDISCOVER on enp6s0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 3 (xid=0x972b0d00)...then it times out... |
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| 21:24.33 | m_g_lewis | atOm: I need to know what file to edit to change the 255.255.255.255 to the address of my ISP's server... |
| 21:25.36 | at0m | m_g_lewis: 255.255.255.255 is a broadcast, then it waits for reply from a dhcpd |
| 21:26.22 | kiteless | The whole point of DHCP is that you don't need to know anything about the network |
| 21:26.41 | m_g_lewis | atOm: Oh, well I don't understand what's wrong...why does it time out? |
| 21:26.42 | BCMM | kiteless +1 i just deleted almost that exact message |
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| 21:30.15 | at0m | m_g_lewis: your /etc/network/interfaces should be ok with enp6s0 lines like "auto enp6s0" then "iface enp6s0 inet dhcp" |
| 21:30.42 | BCMM | that is somewhat debian-specific |
| 21:30.54 | m_g_lewis | atOm: OK, I'll check that... |
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| 21:31.09 | BCMM | oh we're in #debian sorry |
| 21:31.17 | at0m | BCMM:P |
| 21:31.24 | BCMM | plus he already mentioned ifupdown. i should probably go to sleep. |
| 21:32.13 | m_g_lewis | atOm: I have those lines in /etc/network/interfaces... |
| 21:32.39 | at0m | m_g_lewis: did you have another device (router?) on that modem not long ago? |
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| 21:33.30 | m_g_lewis | atOm: Yes, wireless connection...that's what I'm using now... |
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| 21:35.20 | at0m | m_g_lewis: for example, my ISP's dhcpd hands out 1hour IP address lease. if any other device has still a lease running, no new device can get an IP. (well, i can have 2 WAN IP's, but not more) solution there is to either wait till the lease times out, or, faster, to dhcp release on the on that's going offline and then request on the other machine |
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| 21:35.46 | at0m | m_g_lewis: but if you're on wireless, that's not a modem. it's a modem with built-in router, i suppose. |
| 21:35.55 | at0m | router and AP |
| 21:36.17 | m_g_lewis | atOm: Hmmm...I'll try that...Thanks! |
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| 21:36.55 | at0m | m_g_lewis: how many cabled ports are on your 'modem'? 1? or 4 or more? |
| 21:37.26 | m_g_lewis | atOm: 4... |
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| 21:38.55 | at0m | m_g_lewis: ok then that's a modem with built-in router and access point. your devices will get a LAN IP (usually 192.168.0.??? or 192.168.1.???). the router has a DHCP server for these LAN IP's. |
| 21:39.27 | m_g_lewis | atOm: So what do I have to do next? |
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| 21:43.05 | at0m | m_g_lewis: I guess ISP support will tell you to reboot your modem/router, another option is to manually set the IP of that machine on the cable. but you did get an IP on wireless, right? or did you manually configure one? |
| 21:43.37 | BCMM | wait... you're connecting to the router wirelessly? |
| 21:44.04 | at0m | BCMM: yes m_g_lewis has a wireless connection to it. but cabled, dhcp request times out |
| 21:44.18 | BCMM | oh, it works wirelessly, but not not with a cable? |
| 21:44.23 | at0m | yea |
| 21:44.51 | at0m | bad cable? idk. interfaces is set ok to dhcp |
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| 21:46.17 | BCMM | it sounds a lot like bad cable, yes |
| 21:46.38 | BCMM | what's that command to get information about the ethernet link itself? |
| 21:46.43 | BCMM | like speed and duplex and all that? |
| 21:46.54 | at0m | ethtool -i ? |
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| 21:47.17 | at0m | but that's a package which isnt in the default install |
| 21:47.41 | at0m | and without network.. |
| 21:48.07 | m_g_lewis | atOm: It's a brand new cable and when I do ifconfig -a I get Tx and Rx packets and 0 errors... |
| 21:48.13 | BCMM | what about mii-tool? is that installed by default? |
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| 21:48.54 | BCMM | m_g_lewis: what does `mii-tool enp6s0` show? |
| 21:49.48 | m_g_lewis | atOm: enp6s0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok... |
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| 21:55.09 | bolovanos | hithere |
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| 21:55.51 | at0m | m_g_lewis: then indeed your cable is ok. hmm |
| 21:56.18 | bolovanos | I have two instances of debian 9. Script edited in windows (unluckily with CRLF), works fin in one instance, but not in the other https://stackoverflow.com/questions/25230912/invalid-option-when-running-bash-script-on-debian-7 |
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| 21:56.50 | bolovanos | what is it that it does work at one instance in first place? |
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| 22:05.24 | BCMM | bolovanos: and they definitely both have the same line endings? |
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| 22:05.36 | BCMM | i'd check if the files are exactly identical using md5sum |
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| 22:06.54 | bolovanos | yes, they were exactly the same - checked nonprintable chars. |
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| 22:08.28 | nado | hi guys |
| 22:09.17 | nado | i installed debian on a macbook, it mysteriously produces error on startup since today: macâs uefi cant seem to find a bootable disk |
| 22:09.46 | V7 | Hey all |
| 22:09.50 | nado | i could boot from a usb stick and mount the disk, everything seems fine, however i discovered a /EFI/ubuntu directory in /boot |
| 22:09.55 | nado | is it normal? |
| 22:09.58 | V7 | Could anyone suggest why integrated camera doesn't work? |
| 22:10.04 | nado | this disk never knew anything else but debian |
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| 22:10.37 | nado | im wondering if this computer couldnt get infected by something targeting ubuntus |
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| 22:16.00 | mtn | V7: did you test it using cheese? |
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| 22:17.46 | BCMM | nado: is it something to do with Ubuntu having a signed secure boot thingy? this is really half-remembered, sorry. |
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| 22:18.57 | nado | BCMM, i dont use debian on a daily basis and its been a decade since i last installed an ubuntu, this machine never got anything to do with ubuntu, so to me its either from debianâs grub or a possible infection |
| 22:19.12 | nado | i dont use grub usually neither |
| 22:19.15 | nado | :-° |
| 22:19.57 | BCMM | well, my Sid install doesn't have that directory, fwiw |
| 22:20.05 | format_c | nado: what else? |
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| 22:21.00 | nado | BCMM, ok, thanks for the info |
| 22:21.04 | nado | format_c, what what? |
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| 22:21.45 | format_c | nado: you said you don't use grub usually. I'm wondering what you use else |
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| 22:21.59 | nado | syslinux/raw efi |
| 22:22.23 | format_c | nado: Ah ok. Thanks |
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| 22:33.12 | nado | ok, i did a complete grub-install && update-grub |
| 22:33.20 | nado | i get an efi entry |
| 22:33.26 | nado | but still get an error |
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| 23:43.09 | michael2 | hi, does anyone know how to get a list of the files a package would install? i.e. the equivalent of `dpkg -L ...' but for non-installed packages? |
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| 23:43.40 | michael2 | I'd like to do it on a website, not a apt-file or whatever the cli-tool is |
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| 23:45.12 | michael2 | nvm, I found it on packages.debian.org |
| 23:45.41 | jim | michael2, a debian package (version 2 anyway) is: an ar archive containing two compressed tarballs and a text file containing the package version (so, probably 2) |
| 23:46.32 | michael2 | so you're saying to apt-get download <package>, then extract it? |
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| 23:47.21 | jim | the two tarballs are called control.tar.gz (which contains metadata and I think maint scripts), and data.tar.gz (which contains the package content. |
| 23:47.26 | jim | well, it is one way |
| 23:47.42 | jim | it's probably the hackiest way |
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| 23:49.17 | jim | I usually browse the mirror directly to find the package I want... and look at the Packages.gz file for the dist to determine the right version to get |
| 23:49.46 | michael2 | jim, its a good way, I should install atools - so I can extract the deb . Then I would probably give it a go |
| 23:50.33 | jim | ar is probably in binutils (as ar archives are also used for static libraries) |
| 23:51.03 | jim | , find bin/ar |
| 23:51.07 | judd | Search for bin/ar in stretch/amd64: [truncated] binutils: usr/bin/ar; binutils-mips64-linux-gnuabi64: usr/mips64-linux-gnuabi64/bin/ar; binutils-m68hc1x: usr/m68hc11/bin/ar; binutils-mips-linux-gnu: usr/mips-linux-gnu/bin/ar; binutils-alpha-linux-gnu: usr/alpha-linux-gnu/bin/ar; binutils-arm-linux-gnueabihf: usr/arm-linux-gnueabihf/bin/ar; binutils-msp430: usr/msp430/bin/ar; binutils-arm- |
| 23:51.08 | judd | linux-gnueabi: usr/arm-linux-gnueabi/bin/ar; binutils-mipsel-linux-gnu: usr/mipsel-linux-gnu/bin/ar; binutils-aarch64-linux-gnu: usr/aarch64-linux-gnu/bin/ar; binutils-mips64-linux-gnuabin32: usr/mips64-linux-gnuabin32/bin/ar; binutils-hppa64-linux-gnu: usr/hppa64-linux-gnu/bin/ar; binutils-h8300-hms: usr/h8300-hitachi-coff/bin/ar; binutils-mips64el-linux-gnuabi64: usr/mips64el-linux- (1 more message) |
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| 23:51.49 | jim | so it's the first one, binutils |
| 23:52.00 | michael2 | yeah, ar command is annoying, becuase you need to create the new dir, move the archive into it, extract, open your christmas presents... atools, just does it for you. browse is good too |
| 23:52.24 | jim | oh ok |
| 23:53.21 | michael2 | browse mirror directly lets you download packages not in you /etc/apt/sources.list - thats cool |
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| 23:53.56 | jim | yep, and, be cautious with that |
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| 23:54.59 | michael2 | well, usually I just want to look at whats in the package, e.g. I want to see whats in deb-src - to see how maintainers debianized the package. but not necessarily install |
| 23:55.31 | michael2 | I mean, I want to look inside the deb-src variant of a certain package |
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