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02:00.26agiodoes anyone know how to ssh into a debian lxc image?
02:00.32agiocontainer I mean?
02:00.54agioit seems sshd - by default - denies logging in!
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02:06.08aloo_shuI don't know off the top of my head, agio, just remember that for sshd first use, you may need to generate a key pair first. the man page (man sshd in a terminal window) should bring more enlightenment
02:08.03agioits just a container with no access to the outside world, so I tried to enable password logins with: "PasswwordAuthenictaion yes" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config and restarted ssh service - but I still cant' log in to the container
02:09.02nyovif that's how you wrote it, no wonder it's not working :) spell-check it maybe
02:09.18agioI uncommented what was there
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02:11.03agiofixed \o/
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02:25.13outoftimeI need newer version of Fifechan, deb package for stretch contain module for python2, I need it for python3. I have found how to build it with hands http://docs.fifengine.net/developer-manual/en/#_building_fifechan but it will erase installed one for python2... How to maintain different versions of the same library on my machine?
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02:45.25golinuxoutoftime: Not one of these?  https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=fifechan&release=any
02:49.16outoftimegolinux: I need it for python http://docs.fifengine.net/developer-manual/en/#_building_fifengine
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02:56.11outoftimegolinux: if you think I'm dumb ass about all this - I am. Point me to the right place, if you can, please.
02:56.56nyov,v fifechan
02:56.57juddNo package named 'fifechan' was found in amd64.
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02:57.30golinuxI have never even heard about that.  Just a librarian of sorts
02:57.46golinuxbbl
03:00.25outoftimenyov: fifengie
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03:00.45outoftimejudd: fifechan is a part of fifengine
03:01.30nyovjudd doesn't care
03:01.47nyovoutoftime: you want a newer version of it, or what?
03:01.49outoftimehttps://packages.debian.org/stretch/python-fife
03:03.05outoftimenyov: yes, I want to send few patches to unknown-horizons, but I need new fersion of fife for python3 to test it a bit.
03:03.39nyov,v python-fife
03:03.40juddPackage: python-fife on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.3.3+r3-3; jessie: 0.3.5-1+b1; stretch: 0.4.0-3+deb9u1
03:04.02nyovlooks like sid has 0.4.1 - is that the latest?
03:04.04outoftimenyov: buster have python3-fife
03:04.09nyov,v python-fife3
03:04.10juddNo package named 'python-fife3' was found in amd64.
03:04.27nyovjudd: y u no show buster
03:04.46nyovoutoftime: I don't think so?
03:05.05outoftimenyov: https://packages.debian.org/buster/python3-fife
03:05.07nyovoh indeed, there it is
03:05.17nyovso? install it
03:06.48outoftimenyov: it have different dependancies with stretch. I can broke existing system... that is what debian-reference sad...
03:07.08nyovhmm, okay
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03:11.25n4diroutoftime: if all you want to do is to a few tests with fife, running those in a debian testing or sid chroot isn't an option for you?
03:15.05outoftimen4dir: actually, it can work.
03:16.22karlpincoutoftime: The usual way to approach a python problem is to make a virtual enviornment and install the latest python packages in it using pip.  (or something)
03:17.16outoftimekarlpinc: I now, but it require python3-fife which can be built with cmake http://docs.fifengine.net/developer-manual/en/#_building_fifengine
03:17.31outoftimekarlpinc: have now idea how pip3 will help in this situation
03:18.11karlpincoutoftime: You can also ask in #python if you don't get help here.
03:18.58outoftimekarlpinc: I'm sure that is it about how to deal with library, not python.
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03:27.39outoftimekarlpinc: I just can not imagine situation where I can miss something after such long term using python. Maybe it is just my pride as python dev, but still.
03:28.03nyovoutoftime: want to have a backport for stretch?
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03:31.05nyovhm, perhaps not
03:31.48outoftimenyov: oh, really, thank you for an idea, I've started to read http://backports.debian.org
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03:33.38nyovfife depends on the newer version of fifengine, so you need to build both
03:34.02nyovapparently it takes some time as well...
03:34.24outoftimenyov: I need knowladge, I have time.
03:34.39nyovoutoftime: well if you want to have a package, it looks like it built okay
03:34.55n4dir!ssb
03:35.08n4dirdo : /msg dpkg ssb
03:35.18n4dirlike simple sid backport.
03:36.18n4dirusual approach is to first look in stable-backports if it is there. If it isn't, backport yourself (if possible)
03:36.19nyovhow do I use this thing? 'import fife'?
03:38.09outoftimenyov: yes
03:38.13nyovbuwäh SWIG bindings
03:38.45nyovimport works
03:38.52nyovokay nice waste of time
03:39.02nyovrm *.deb
03:39.28nyovunless you want the debs...?
03:40.00outoftimenyov: deb in backports?
03:41.18n4diroutoftime: again, those are two approaches. The one is to look if the package is in debian-stable-backports, the other is to backport yourself (in that case nyov )
03:43.02nyovright. I can't upload backports to the archive. so I just built this locally
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03:51.58outoftimen4dir: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=python3-fife&searchon=names&section=all&suite=stretch-backports there is no required package, so I have to build it on my own from sources via apt-get -b source
03:52.27n4diryes.
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03:53.02n4dirrecommended way to build yourself is to use a chroot, i think, so you might just as well try what i said above.
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04:01.27outoftimen4dir: do you have some sort of a manual about how to do it (chroot into stretch to build *.deb)?
04:01.59outoftimen4dir: I have runned search by source packages https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=python3-fife&searchon=sourcenames&section=all&suite=stretch-backports there is now such package python3-fife
04:02.07n4diroutoftime: it's straight forward. go to wiki.debian.net and search for debootstrap
04:02.38n4dirthe bot of this channel probably knows too: do /msg dpkg debootstrap (for unknown reasons i can't trigger the bot myself)
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04:02.59nyovhttps://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation
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04:03.32nyovthis is the easiest way. without using a chroot or buildd
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05:07.33themusicgod1When building a package which I'm trying to create (with debuild -us -uc -b)...lintian reports debian-changelog-file-missing / no-copyright-file ...but both are clearly there.  What could I be doing wrong?
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05:40.28DocScrutinizer05~dstats
05:41.41DocScrutinizer05meh! please sort issues with apt by querying the bot op you asked to join the bot to your channel (or any other bot operator). A +q on a bot you invited makes no sense
05:42.53DocScrutinizer05I admit it might be tricky to find out who invted apt back in unixtime _time_added => 1071959959
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05:43.38themillum, no. it is there to do a function that does not include talking to you
05:43.39DocScrutinizer05but it defintely had to be a debian chanop or the chan owner
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05:44.45DocScrutinizer05themill: tell me what function that is and I configure the bot so it does what you want
05:45.14themillumm, I don't recognise you as the bot's owner.
05:45.36DocScrutinizer05I'm not the owner
05:45.45DocScrutinizer05just an operator
05:45.52DocScrutinizer05Tim riker is the owner
05:46.04jimmaybe that means you can't change things about that bot?
05:46.05themillit should not respond to anything in this channel; it can't, so it is working fine.
05:46.12tmg1|wicksellaha. it's because i overrode install: in 'debian/rules', which must be where the copyright/changelog is put into the correct directory for packing
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05:48.04themill(also, you could just talk to us in #debian-ops about this rather than ranting about it)
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06:21.07[jasper]hej guys, I want to install postfixadmin with apt-get .... however my mail server is on a different docker container then my webserver.
06:21.20[jasper]how can I only install postfixadmin without getting all the extra stuff like postfix itself?
06:21.59rant,depends postfixadmin
06:22.01juddPackage postfixadmin in stretch/amd64 -- depends: debconf (>= 0.5), dbconfig-common, wwwconfig-common, apache2 | lighttpd | httpd, libapache2-mod-php | php-cgi | php-fpm | php, php-imap, php-mysql | php-mysqlnd | php-pgsql | php-sqlite3, php-mbstring, default-mysql-client | postgresql-client | mariadb-client.
06:22.38rantI'm not seeing where it depends on postfix
06:22.51jelly[jasper]: --no-install-recommends
06:22.53rantseems it only depends on things it actually needs to operate
06:23.19[jasper]thanks!
06:23.23rantis apt-get pulling recommends now too?
06:23.32[jasper]rant what do you mean? it doess install extra packages when I try to install it
06:23.35rantor are you using apt and when you said apt-get
06:23.49rant[jasper]: your question said "apt-get" not "apt"
06:24.12themillapt-get has installed recommended packages for about a decade
06:24.26jellytreachery!
06:24.32ranthmm.. goes to show how much I pay attention
06:24.34rantheh
06:24.52Haohmarui guess that applies for synaptic too?
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06:25.18[jasper]rant: https://paste.debian.net/1047452/
06:25.20jelly(and mod-php probably should not be the first choice in php APIs in stretch)
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06:26.01rant,recommends postfixadmin
06:26.02juddPackage postfixadmin in stretch/amd64 -- recommends: postfix-mysql | postfix-pgsql, virtual-mysql-server | postgresql | sqlite (>= 3.12.0), mariadb-server, zendframework, dovecot-core | courier-authlib-mysql | courier-authlib-postgresql, php-cli.
06:27.22[jasper]judd thatś indeed what i see when I add --no-install-recommends to the command
06:28.02[jasper]I still don't really see how it would depend on a virtual-mysql-server but I guess I don't really mind installing that either
06:28.04rantI tried php once but it left me feeling like my face was melting, and everything looked like a kalidescope..
06:28.21jelly[jasper]: aptitude might act stmarter than apt-get
06:28.54jelly[jasper]: the relevant option is -R or --without-recommends there
06:29.25jellyjudd is just a bot
06:29.28[jasper]oh funny. I always thought those were kind of the same tools but the aptitude being a  little smarter keeping track of things
06:29.36jellyjudd: botsnack
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06:30.06juddnom nom nom nom
06:30.32[jasper]:p
06:30.34jellyI mean it may act smarter in this particular case.  It figures dependencies out in a slightly different way
06:30.40rant[jasper]: apt, apt-get / apt-cache, aptitude, dselect, dpkg, etc are all totally different tools
06:31.44[jasper]jelly, I think Iḿ happy with apt-get install --no-install-recommends postfixadmin . This installs the following: libc-client2007e mlock php-imap php7.0-imap postfixadmin wwwconfig-common
06:31.50[jasper]which sounds about right
06:32.00[jasper]thanks for the help guys!
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06:33.13ranto.O  thats a horrible name for that package.. libc-client2007e
06:34.14rantgranted the devs seem to be calling it a "c-client library" which is stupid in and of itself.. but still..
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06:35.49rantthey should've went with something more conventional like libuwimap-cclient or something
06:36.08rantmakes me think its part of libc when I see that name
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06:45.23jellyI had a similar reaction 20 years ago when I first saw uw-imap's library name
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06:47.36jellyhowever that means it's been "c-client" for 20+ years now and is probably not going to change
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06:49.30rantoh well.. thats them damn seattle folk for ya..
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07:13.14anzipexHow to print installed package name and version of that package in one line?
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07:15.05BCMManzipex: in this scenario, what do you already know about the package? i mean, is the package name your input here?
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07:16.23anzipexIt's installed deb, so i can see it like: dpkg --get-selections | grep mypackage
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07:16.46BCMManzipex: i mean, do you want something different from `dpkg -l packagename`?
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07:19.40anzipexWell, i see that `dpkg -l packagename` shows me name, version, architecture and description
07:19.58anzipexHow to print only package name and version from this?
07:20.38anzipexI guess i need something like awk
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07:22.23rantanzipex: dpkg -l | grep libc6 | awk '{print $2 " " $3}'
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07:23.07anzipexThanks, that's what i needed :)
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07:33.59jellyrant: what's wrong with dpkg -l libc6
07:34.57jellyor dpkg -s libc6
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07:36.48jellyanzipex: slightly safer: dpkg -l packagename | tail -n1 | awk ...
07:37.35rantwell the tail thing wont work with multiarch for one thing :P
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07:45.35anzipexjelly, i guess tail -n1 prints only 1 coincidence
07:46.17jellyjust the last line, yes.  dpkg -l foo can have more than one result on multiarch-enabled systems.
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07:47.08jellyand it always shows the header
07:48.01jellyomit it and see what happens
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07:55.47anzipexIt prints all packages specified in grep
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09:36.39mjkrany chance https://wiki.debian.org/X32Port is going official?
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09:43.09themillhighly unlikely from what I've seen -- not enough people care about doing the icky work to fix the bugs
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10:45.07[jasper]hej guys, when I use apt-get install could it be that it makes use of environment variables I've before?
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10:47.11[jasper]ok already found it!
10:47.19gst568923hi guys I have a problem with Debian Stretch regarding vainfo and i965-va-driver
10:48.06gst568923https://pastebin.com/aaHT2kfJ
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10:51.58gst568923the current packages are been removed: libvdpau-va-gl1, vdpau-driver-all, mesa-va-drivers, va-driver-all
10:52.32petn-randallgst568923: nouveau is the driver for nvidia cards, seems as though you're doing something wrong.
10:53.09petn-randallgst568923: Let's start with the following: What are you trying to do, what steps did you take to accomplish it, what results did you get, and what did you expect instead?
10:53.17gst568923petn-randall I have 2 GPU card: Nvdia GT 705 and Intel HD Graphics
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10:54.32gst568923petn-randall I would like use Intel Video Hardware Acceleration because Nvidia GT 705 require a blob firmware that not work fine
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10:55.34gst568923petn-randall Yesterday I have talked with mpv team and they says that is a problem of Debian package
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10:57.07petn-randallgst568923: What CPU are you running? Do you know if you have "optimus" hybrid graphics?
10:57.57gst568923petn-randall Quad core Intel Core i5-4460 (-MCP-) cache: 6144 KB
10:58.16regdudeDebian has packages like "harden-tools", is there a way to find exactly what is in them?
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10:58.56petn-randallregdude: If you run 'dpkg -L <package>', it will list the files contained in that package. It needs to be installed, though.
10:59.23petn-randallregdude: If you don't have it installed, you can run 'apt-file show <package>' to list it.
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11:02.41gst568923petn-randall my pc is a dell inspiron 3847 and that is the specs of video card:
11:02.48regdudepetn-randall: thanks! that should give me a clue what it does
11:02.50gst568923Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/31a525f23480bc32860e300de875a486/Istantanea_2018-10-16_13-01-16.png
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11:04.16petn-randallgst568923: Ah, so it's a Desktop. And it has different video output connectors for integrated graphics, and the video card, right?
11:04.51gst568923petn-randall the command inxi return me:
11:04.57gst568923Card-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller           Card-2: NVIDIA GF119 [GeForce GT 705]
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11:06.15gst568923petn-randall the video monitor connector are: VGA into motherboard and VGA/DVI into Nvidia GF119, I have connected the monitor into DVI
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11:07.22petn-randallgst568923: If the monitor is connected to the nvidia graphics card, you need to use the nvidia driver, as the integrated graphics card cannot output video via the nvidia card.
11:10.17gst568923petn-randall If I force in bashrc export LIBVA_DRIVER_NAME=i965 export VDPAU_DRIVER=va_gl this is the output: https://pastebin.com/b0Gw3z4c
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11:10.47gst568923petn-randall Debian version is 9.5
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11:21.11gst568923?
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11:21.51petn-randallgst568923: Did you read my last message?
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11:24.57petn-randallgst568923: If you want to use the DVI output from the nvidia card, you need to use that driver. If you want to use the intel output, you need to plug the monitor into your mainboard.
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11:26.48gst568923petn-randall I understand, can I use intel video decoding and redirect the output to the nvidia card via vaapi-copy?
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11:28.27gst568923petn-randall I read a bit on the web and I have found VDPAU backend VAAPI but I don't understand fine what means
11:29.20jellygst568923: how does nvidia + firmware + vdpau for decoding fail?
11:29.44jelly(on other words, why even bother with intel)
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11:31.21gst568923jelly I tryed to extract firmware blog for NVD9 with this tool https://github.com/imirkin/re-vp2 but fail, debian freeze
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11:32.39jellygst568923: when I had nvidia there was a way to slice it out of unpacked nvidia-installer files
11:33.34jellygst568923: NVD9 is a LOT newer than NV84-NV98 those scripts are supposed to be used with
11:34.09jellygst568923: https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/NVC0_Firmware/
11:34.25gst568923with that tool I was able to extract the firmware blob of an old version of the nvidia drivers, the latest driver version is not supported by that tool, so I tried (with the version "340.32") to insert in / lib / firmware but they give problems to the point that debian freeze
11:36.38jellysorry. https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/VideoAcceleration/#firmware
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11:36.59jellybut right, if it fails with newer versions, try to ask in #nouveau for help with that
11:38.59jellygst568923: which specific firmware files does your card want?  My GT720 used to work well with files extracted way back in 2015
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11:55.03gst568923jelly for extracting firmware you have used demmio?
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11:57.49jellygst568923: no, I used the script and nvidia-driver files, way back when
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12:00.28gst568923jelly If the firmware extraction should fail, can I use vaapi-copy or vaapi?
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12:08.44gst568923nouveau have a VAAPI built-in?
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12:11.26gst568923should I reinstall mesa-va-drivers and libvdpau-va-gl1?
12:11.44beardy!why is libpam-ssh-agent-auth not in testing
12:11.44dpkglibpam-ssh-agent-auth is not in testing for the reasons listed in https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=libpam-ssh-agent-auth
12:11.48gst568923because mpv team says me to remove it
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12:17.20hexhaxtronCan someone suggest me an alternative to cPanel?
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12:51.22karlpinchexhaxtron: All those web sysadm interfaces suck.
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12:53.36jellyhexhaxtron: plesk?
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12:53.44karlpinchexhaxtron: You have to translate what they are doing into what the underllying daemons etc really need.  This just adds another layer of complication on top of what you already need to understand.  Plus there's never a way to add comments to record why you setup things as you did, unlike with config files, and so it's inevitably harder to work with as time goes forward.
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12:54.02jellyhexhaxtron: are you prepared to pay money for it?
12:54.51darxmurfjelly sorry to disturb again, you can maybe help a bit with this admin user config on my samba stuff ?
12:55.02jellykarlpinc: "never a way to add comments" this is why you DOCUMENT things
12:55.14darxmurfand how to add a user in the "BUILTIN\Administrators" group ?
12:55.14jellydarxmurf: I'm not the right person for samba
12:55.34darxmurfdamn, nobody is the right person for samba ^^
12:55.48jellypeople in #samba channel might be
12:56.30darxmurfwell, I'm on it ^^
12:58.31its_Mansoorjelly suggest you to discuss in forums about SAMBA, about adding user to a usergroup, simplest way is using this command: "adduser username groupename"
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13:00.18jellyits_Mansoor: darxmurf is asking about it, not me
13:00.46darxmurfits_Mansoor: it's a bit more complicated as this server is an AD domain member and configured with kerberos and ldap...
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13:03.25jellythen you ask you Enterprise Admin or Domain Admin to add it I guess
13:03.56its_Mansoordarxmurf then i'm not the guy who can help you LOL, spend little time on wiki and forum instead of irc, that would be much more helpful
13:04.09anzipexHow to make dpkg-deb -I for all packages in folder?
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13:04.38anzipexSomething like: dpkg-deb -I /media/usb/*.deb
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13:06.51its_Mansooranzipex did you tried "for file in *.deb; do unrar e $file; done" ?
13:07.08themillumm
13:07.20themillanzipex: what are you wanting to achieve?
13:07.44its_Mansooranzipex sorry wrong command, i've wrote that for a unrar process and just replaced rar with deb, gimme a minute
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13:09.38its_Mansooranzipex this one should work "for file in *.deb; do dpkg-deb -I $file; done"
13:09.40anzipexI just need to get all Package names in folder
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13:10.34its_Mansoornote: you have to navigate to that path first, then run the command
13:10.58anzipexThat's what i needed
13:10.59anzipexThanks
13:11.41its_Mansooryw
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13:13.04themillanzipex: -W might be more useful than -I btw
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13:14.34anzipexHm.. Okay
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13:17.38darxmurfhi dyl0n
13:18.27ppettinahi guys!
13:19.02ppettinasee: https://sources.debian.org/src/python3.6/3.6.7%7Erc2-1/debian/rules/#L6
13:19.02ppettinadoes anyone know why "pie" is disabled from the hardening options in the python3.6 package?
13:19.15ppettina(or, who/where to ask)
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13:21.29themillI have a recollection of that causing segfaults
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13:24.29jelly,v python3.6
13:24.30juddPackage: python3.6 on amd64 -- buster: 3.6.6-1; sid: 3.6.7~rc2-1
13:24.34jelly,v python3.7
13:24.35juddPackage: python3.7 on amd64 -- buster: 3.7.0-1; sid: 3.7.1~rc2-1
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13:36.18ppettinathanks themill, any chances of that being reassessed?
13:37.26ppettina(have raised a bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=911150 )
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13:38.28themillppettina: some rationale as to why this is a good change to make would be worth including in that bug
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13:39.14themillI'm not sure if testing to show that loading non-pie extensions still works would also be needed
13:39.54themillYou're probably also more interested in python3.7 btw
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13:40.12ppettinaFYI python3 on Ubuntu Yakkety was shipped with PIE --- if relevant
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13:41.57themillI thought it had the same maintainer
13:42.51ppettinaindeed, at some point hardening with PIE became default, and I guess later was disabled upstream by doko?
13:43.20themilllooks that way
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14:11.28bolovanoshithere
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14:14.25bolovanos<PROTECTED>
14:14.44bolovanosI was about to install cacti - but it's non-free and long way to setup...
14:14.52bolovanoswhat would you suggest?
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14:18.08nyovbolovanos: netdata might fit those specs
14:19.49nyovpackage is netdata
14:19.55nyovexamples @ https://my-netdata.io/#demosites
14:21.41bolovanosnyov, looks usable, thank you!
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14:23.59bolovanosnyov, btw - by looking at demo - is it only realtime, or is there a chance to choos time frame?
14:24.01nyovof course there are tons more. so doing some research is probably best
14:24.48bolovanosyes there are (going through https://blog.serverdensity.com/80-linux-monitoring-tools-know/) - years back I was used to cacti,
14:26.04nyovif you are on the demo-site, you can hover over the graphs to see a point in time measurement. drag and scroll for time-frames
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14:46.17emuclabolovanos this may help you -> https://alternativeto.net/software/cacti/
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14:48.27jellybolovanos: how many machines do you plan to manage?
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14:48.38jelly1, 10, 1000?
14:48.58bolovanosemucla, neat, thank you :)
14:49.09bolovanosjelly, at this moment just 1
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14:56.58jellybolovanos: look at something like monit, then
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14:57.49jellysorry, munin, not monit
14:58.03jellybolovanos: ^
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15:09.17filipdevuan_hey im trying to use apt-get install but i get these errors even from root dpkg: warning: 'ldconfig' not found in PATH or not executable
15:09.18filipdevuan_dpkg: warning: 'start-stop-daemon' not found in PATH or not executable
15:09.18dpkgfilipdevuan_: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
15:09.28filipdevuan_dpkg: warning: 'start-stop-daemon' not found in PATH or not executable
15:09.30dpkgfilipdevuan_: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
15:09.35filipdevuan_dpkg: warning: 'start-stop-daemon' not found in PATH or not executable
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15:11.24greycatfilipdevuan_: Sounds like you are not using Debian stable.  Please note that the 'su' command changed behavior in buster.  It doesn't add /sbin and /usr/sbin to PATH any more.  You have to do that yourself now.  THANKS, RED HAT.
15:12.08filipdevuan_oh great
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15:12.56filipdevuan_so how am i supposed to add myself into sudoers group if adduser command not available
15:13.20greycatPATH=/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/bin
15:13.43greycatought to be sufficient for 99% of cases
15:14.26bolovanosjelly, that was a hit - up and running. Thank you!
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15:14.41filipdevuan_fil is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
15:15.05jellyfilipdevuan_: you wouldn't by any chance by running Devuan instead of Debian would you?
15:15.06filipdevuan_oh gosh im so fed up with this fking computers!!!! i wanna play diablo 3 and i have optimus graphics card. on devuan i have got problems with setting bumblebee up
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15:15.14filipdevuan_here i have got problems with su and apt-get
15:15.19jellyjust askin
15:15.28filipdevuan_manjaro and other have google DNS im fed up
15:16.03filipdevuan_what distro can i use that won't piss me off all the time, windows 10 pisses me off too!!!
15:16.23jellyoptimus is the real problem, not distros
15:16.30filipdevuan_i used devuan and id use it if there wasnt optimus in my fking laptop
15:16.31greycatWell the obvious question is, why did you use a non-stable Debian?
15:16.41petn-randallfilipdevuan_: Maybe you should pay someone to take care of your computer problems? If you really don't have any time to fix it?
15:16.46filipdevuan_iv read on winehq that diablo 3 works gold on it
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15:16.57filipdevuan_well is there any command to downgrade back to 9??
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15:17.03petn-randall!downgrade
15:17.03dpkgDowngrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt.  Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades.  Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number.  See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
15:17.16jellyfilipdevuan_: short answer: no
15:17.21filipdevuan_ok
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15:17.50filipdevuan_hmm so if there is something not okay with 10 buster i guess its gonna be stable debian soon and in the future 9 wont be supported by debian anymore
15:17.52filipdevuan_?
15:18.19greycatProbably not for another 6-10 months.
15:18.30greycat!buster freeze
15:18.30dpkgBuster will start the freeze process on 2019-01-12 see https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2018/04/msg00006.html or ask me about <freeze>, <slushy>.
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15:20.05filipdevuan_yeah i should blame myself that i bought dual graphics card but how could i have known that its such a pain here on gnu linux why nobody told me
15:20.07petn-randallfilipdevuan_: Debian 9 will still be supported for at least a year after 10 is released, likely 5 years more if the LTS team picks up the work as they have done in the last two releases.
15:20.29petn-randallfilipdevuan_: Did you ask anyone before buying it?
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15:20.52filipdevuan_well nobody asked me if i wanna windows 10 with laptop ;/
15:21.26petn-randallfilipdevuan_: So you're complaining that nobody told you, even though you never asked?
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15:22.45filipdevuan_im complaining that i have problems with playing diablo 3 on my laptop while windows 10 and arch distros are too convenient ;/
15:23.03filipdevuan_id like to use debian not arch or m$
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15:24.18jellydepending on your card, kernel and mesa versions and the phase of the moon, nouveau MIGHT work on testing or unstable right now
15:25.06jellymaybe if I buy that Thinkpad 25 I can get some experience with optimus
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15:27.57GroovyNoodletest
15:28.26jellyGroovyNoodle: test failed
15:28.28filipdevuan_don't bother this optimus is pain in the ***. i like devuan very much and winehq runs smoothly and everything but i have very big problems with setting the bumblebee and primus up and i just cant use my geforce on there!!!! that drives me insane
15:29.02filipdevuan_i think im gonna reinstall this debian again later and get back to 9
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15:29.43filipdevuan_but if its not gonna be supported because of 10 and i cant add myself to sudoers and i get bugs while using apt-get using su then i just dont know whats really going on with the world of gnu linux
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15:29.45GroovyNoodlehaha oops!
15:30.50filipdevuan_im just pissed off very much that i have something like nvidia geforce that i cant use on any distro without installing damn bumblebee
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15:31.07greycatDebian 9 support will almost certainly continue for a few years after buster's release.
15:31.10filipdevuan_so i end up using laptop with just intel integrated card and i overpaid
15:32.03filipdevuan_another bollocks is that this nvidia geforce on this gaycer laptop fking overheats ***** junk stole  my money
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15:32.56filipdevuan_yeah sorry im just fed up with everything and another thing is google i installed manjaro and it has everything running out of a box
15:33.14filipdevuan_and it has google in dns by default and i deleted it and system stopped running
15:33.41greycatInstall a simple resolver, and set your nameserver to 127.0.0.1.  Done.
15:33.43filipdevuan_so it seems like i cant really use this nvidia geforce without avoiding any **** corporates
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15:34.05filipdevuan_is a resolver like a software??
15:34.11greycat:rolleyes:
15:34.31jellyit's a piece of software that makes dns work, yes
15:34.36filipdevuan_btw does have red hat to do with debian 10???
15:34.44filipdevuan_what does*
15:34.47jelly?
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15:34.48greycatDebian's su behavior was changed to match that of Red HAt.
15:34.57filipdevuan_why??
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15:35.13greycatFucked if I know.  There are mailing list threads but of course we're all just guessing.
15:35.39greycatThe real question is why the hell do Red Hat users put up with that?
15:35.49petn-randallfilipdevuan_: You do understand that Debian 10 is not released, and there are still a lot of library migrations going on, so there is no guarantee for things to work? Because that's the whole purpose of a pre-release suite, to test things and report and fix bugs.
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15:36.44filipdevuan_no sorry i don't understand actually. :P well yeah ill get back to debian 9 and hopefully everything's gonna be okay... i shouldnt have done dist-upgrade
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15:38.38filipdevuan_i had arch-antergos before and it was quite okay but my battery was running low after like 30 minutes (apparently because it was on nvidia card) while devuan lasts for like 3 hours
15:38.54filipdevuan_is it easy to resolve dns then
15:39.12filipdevuan_and btw why debian uses gnome???
15:39.18filipdevuan_isnt gnome red hat??
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15:40.27greycatGNOME is not tied to a specific distribution, but many of the GNOME developers are also Ubuntu developers, I think.  Maybe?  I don't know, don't really care.
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15:42.42filipdevuan_okay sorry for ranting here on the irc, im just trying different distros all the time and i was able to run bumblebee before on devuan but now im having some problems for some reason ;/
15:43.27filipdevuan_anyways i have to go now so have a nice day to you all :)
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16:13.05pagetelegramI installed "gobi_loader" on a deb8 and at # 'gobi_loader' command not found.
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16:16.49jellypagetelegram: use dpkg -L gobi_loader to see package contents.
16:17.00jelly!README.Debian
16:17.00dpkgREADME.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration.
16:17.39jellyit is somewhat unlikely the package name has an _ character.
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16:18.17jellyuse the correct package name, pagetelegram
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16:21.35pagetelegramIt is called gobi_loader in the package manager. And references to it's execution is by same name. hmmm. Reinstaleld and still no such command
16:22.11greycat,file gobi_loader
16:22.17juddSearch for gobi_loader in stretch/amd64: gobi-loader: lib/udev/gobi_loader
16:22.21jellypagetelegram: run "apt-cache search gobi loader"
16:22.54jellythat will show package names and short descriptions
16:23.32jellyand the judd bot says it has a dash in the name, not an underscore
16:23.58jhutchins_wkAren't underscores not allowed in package names?
16:24.13jellycorrect
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16:25.57pagetelegramI am wondering if it is not in system path. I come from as a DOS user so I do not know how paths are handled in Deb systems or maybe I need to set attribute to executable?
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16:26.56pagetelegramgobi-loader is the correct name....I mistaken for underscore. Still command is not found.
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16:28.18jhutchins_wkpagetelegram: Have you checked for a manpage, or /usr/share/doc?
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16:29.41jhutchins_wkpagetelegram: The file judd found would not be an executable program, but a system library.
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16:31.12pagetelegramIt is not in Man pages nor in the user/share/doc
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16:32.55jelly,file gobi-loader/README.Debian
16:32.59juddSearch for gobi-loader/README.Debian in stretch/amd64: gobi-loader: usr/share/doc/gobi-loader/README.Debian
16:33.07jellypetn-randall: read /usr/share/doc/gobi-loader/README.Debian
16:33.19jellypagetelegram: read /usr/share/doc/gobi-loader/README.Debian
16:33.49jellyinstall the package named "gobi-loader" before that, if it does not exist
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16:43.23katerinoI was trying to add a custom keyboard layout to Debian and instead of getting an extra layout option in settings like the guides online said would happen, that particular settings tab is greyed out.
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16:44.30katerinoI made a custom layout text file for X11/xkb/symbols/, then I added it to X11/xkb/rules/evdev.xml.
16:44.47katerinoWell, I mean I added the data about it to that xml file.
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16:45.27pagetelegramOk, I do not want to install Wine, is there a deb tool to unzip an exe like the Windows Legroom freeware tool?
16:45.46pagetelegramSomething liek Unviersal extractor but for Deb?
16:46.41tradaridk maybe 7zip
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16:48.01pagetelegramcli level dtrx does this. Thanks
16:48.37katerinoOof, I also did a possibly stupid thing and hit the only un-grey button in the keyboard layout settings tab, the default button. So now my keyboard settings are all reset.
16:48.52katerinoBut I can't go back and change them again because of said greyness.
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16:50.19dazoHey, anyone know anything about the various freeze dates for the next big Debian update (Buster)? ... In the OpenVPN community we're working on the v2.5 release planning, and we want to see if we can manage to get that into the next Debian release ... so we're wondering what kind of time windows we need to target
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16:50.51greycat!buster freeze
16:50.52dpkgBuster will start the freeze process on 2019-01-12 see https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2018/04/msg00006.html or ask me about <freeze>, <slushy>.
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16:52.06dazothx!  Are there any docs which explains better what is allowed to change after these freeze dates?
16:52.16dazoor rather, during those freeze dates
16:53.45greycatThere's a *tiny* bit of explanation of the different freeze phases on https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch
16:53.58greycatPresumably the buster freeze will follow the same pattern.
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16:57.03dazothx! I'll dive into that .... we will try to have a beta release ready right before Christmas .... but the RC would closer to the end of January and we could probably time the final release to right before the last hard date in Debian
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17:00.19dazohow I understand it, and I might be too optimistic, we need to have the full release ready by 2019-02-12 (soft-freeze date)
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17:11.08jak2000how to copy files but not overwrite if file exist, with cp command
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17:12.35jak2000ok, thanks
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17:28.48clasickif I install an application through .deb, how do I update it?
17:29.25greycatby getting a newer .deb from the same source as the first one
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17:33.27RandomSerbwhat's the difference between cd and dvd installation image, when downloading?
17:33.38greycatthe size
17:33.45RandomSerbgreycat: except the size?
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17:34.05greycatthat's literally it.  the DVD images are bigger, and therefore have more (stale) packages on them that need to be updated after installation.
17:34.57spackle259RandomSerb: DVD images are ment for people wanting to live in the cave. All the packages that you would often install using apt would come preinstalled
17:35.33RandomSerbspackle259: not for me probably. so, basically less bloatware, or what one may consider bloatware
17:35.34RandomSerb?
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17:36.29RandomSerbalso, this is the first time I'm installing debian. Do you have any suggestions for partition sizes/formats? I've 120gb SSD
17:36.31spackle259RandomSerb: unlike windows linux doesnt really have crap popping out everywhere.. all it will do is have additional softwares that you may never touch.. i would instead just get the net version
17:36.38RandomSerband 2tb hdd
17:36.48spackle259RandomSerb: cos you can choose your packages later down the line..
17:37.07spackle259RandomSerb: I like keeping my root pertion seperate from home
17:37.24spackle259RandomSerb: its easier when you are expanding or need more space for your home directory
17:37.43spackle259RandomSerb: its also easier down the line if you ever want to jump ship or want to try a different os
17:38.30RandomSerbyeah, makes sense. I'm probably not going to go for change. I've been using ubuntu for last 10 years, and it's becoming more and more awful.
17:38.40RandomSerbparticularly desktop environments
17:38.46clasickgreycat: does isntalling through .deb make packages show up through apt list?
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17:39.58spackle259clasick: yep
17:40.05clasickspackle259: oh nice
17:40.51greycatclasick: it would show up in dpkg's output, since dpkg is the lower level tool.  Apt would not know about it.
17:41.14spackle259clasick: Just tested mine...packages i installed using apt can show up.
17:41.19spackle259greycat: are you sure?
17:41.21greycatWell, I guess "apt policy" would show it, but that's not much.
17:41.39greycatspackle259: you said "using apt".  *HE* said "from .deb".
17:41.47spackle259greycat: also you could use apt to install deb packages too that you downloaded using your browser
17:42.06spackle259greycat: example... apt install ./package.deb
17:42.23greycatRight, that will install the package and its dependencies, one time.
17:42.36greycatIt will not allow the retrieving of updates, which was his question.
17:42.44spackle259greycat: thats true
17:43.07clasickokay, so the difference is that if I install using dpkg -i then it won't show up on apt's list but doing it on apt install ./package.deb will make it show up on both?
17:43.33greycat*SIGH*
17:43.40greycatJust ... just do it and see.
17:43.47clasickgreycat: ok, got it
17:43.58spackle259lol
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17:54.40project2501ais there a debian scientific computing / bioinformatics channel?
17:54.46project2501a(hi by the way! :)
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17:56.01RandomSerbwhich usb creator supports that setting where you can choose old mode for boot?
17:56.42RandomSerbI know only that if I create it certain way, it won't recognize my usb. if I switch that setting, it works properly. something related to old computers
17:56.51RandomSerbmost likely motherboards
17:57.04spackle259RandomSerb: You are talking about legasy system and ufed or something
17:57.22RandomSerbspackle259: exactly
17:57.23spackle259RandomSerb: So whats your question exactly?
17:57.41RandomSerbdo you know which windows usb creator allows me to change that setting?
17:57.47spackle259RandomSerb: you have to be careful cos its based on the iso you are trying to create the image for
17:58.03RandomSerbspackle259: what do you mean it's based on the iso?
17:58.09spackle259RandomSerb: for debian you can use rufs i believe. let me look it up
17:58.10nyovproject2501a: i thinks so
17:58.25spackle259RandomSerb: Rufus
17:58.32RandomSerbyeah!
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17:58.35RandomSerbthat's the one I used
17:58.36RandomSerbthanks!
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17:58.47Luyinhi there, I'm trying to install debian stretch via usb stick onto an HPE Proliant Microserver Gen10. I think I'm not reaching the image, as I'm shown a shell that seems to belong to EFI. I've configured the BIOS to boot from USB first, but it doesn't seem to work
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17:59.13spackle259You need to change your settings and if you have secure boot enable you have to disable that
17:59.19spackle259Luyin: read the previous message
17:59.41nyovproject2501a: #debian-science maybe
17:59.44Luyinspackle259: which previous message?
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17:59.49nyovproject2501a: for a list, see https://wiki.debian.org/IRC
17:59.56spackle259You need to change your settings and if you have secure boot enable you have to disable that
17:59.57Luyinspackle259: "change your settings"? could you be more specific which settings?
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18:00.29spackle259Luyin: https://www.google.com/search?q=secure+boot,+hp,+bios&client=firefox-b-1-ab&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwih0J6bxYveAhVhtlkKHU3YDYEQ_AUIDygC&biw=1920&bih=916#imgrc=urqoMuH6DFL-IM:
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18:01.11spackle259Luyin: https://neosmart.net/wiki/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2014/05/HP-Secure-Boot.jpg
18:01.28RandomSerbLuyin: what do you mean by it does not work? won't boot from USB?
18:01.52spackle259Luyin: And also it also matters how you make your image. cos debian specially says not to use livelinux and some other ones because they change the original image
18:02.08spackle259Luyin: Corrupt it i mean
18:03.11Luyinspackle259: I think I used dd to move the image to the usb drive
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18:03.51spackle259Luyin: that works too.. i would make sure the secure boot is switched off. legacy support is enabled
18:04.01spackle259Luyin: fast boot disabled
18:04.24spackle259Luyin: UEFI boot disabled
18:04.35LuyinRandomSerb: well I can reach "boot menu" and see three entries relating to my usb device: image https://paste.xinu.at/tXPeGZ/ when I try selecting any of these three, the monitor goes blank for a sec, than returns me to that same menu.
18:04.44Luyinspackle259: ok, I'll check that again. hang on
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18:09.37Luyinhmm, now I get this: https://paste.xinu.at/ak1/ so I guess the iso might actually have been corrupted or something? even though I checked the hash sums after creation
18:10.41spackle259Luyin: Its possible
18:10.47Luyindamn
18:10.54LuyinI'll try the usb stick on a notebook to make sure it works
18:11.10spackle259Luyin: good idea
18:11.50Luyinhm... how do I shut down the server from that ^ screen?
18:11.55Luyinis there some magic? :D
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18:17.58RandomSerbLuyin: if you've physical access to the machine, just press power button
18:18.09Luyinhmm okay
18:18.11Luyinyes I have
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18:21.04rantthis isn't really important, but I been wondering if anyone might know if when using a luks encrypted rootfs if the system has logs of failed attempts on unlocking the rootfs..
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18:30.20LuyinOn a Linux machine, simply use the "cp" command, to copy an image to a USB flash drive << wtf. not dd?
18:30.30greycatthey both do the same thing
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18:31.21Luyinhmmm I always thought dd "unpacks" the stuff in the iso properly or something
18:31.47Luyinbecause when you simply copy it, you have a drive with one file, being the debian-1.2.3.iso, on it. and when you use dd, you get a bunch of files and directories
18:31.55greycatNo, it just copies bytes from one place to another.  The only real "advantage" of dd is that you can tell it how many bytes to copy at a time (block size).
18:32.11Luyinoh okay
18:32.32greycatIt's not dd that reveals the internal structure.  It's mounting that does that.
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18:36.09RandomSerbhi again. spackle259 it won't boot into usb
18:36.13RandomSerbnot sure why, though
18:36.19RandomSerbI used rufus
18:36.49RandomSerbperhaps I should've used dd mode instead of bios?
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19:00.06spackle259Randy: was away from station for a bit... what did you use before?
19:00.23spackle259Randy: sorry was ment for RandomSerb
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19:07.46RandomSerband yeah, I'm on debian :)
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19:13.23jhutchins_wkThe other advantage of dd is that you can use it to copy things like the MBR or the partition table that don't really expose themselves as files.
19:14.32greycatmeaning, "you can tell it to copy only N bytes and stop"
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19:15.19greycatwhich is not a useful feature when writing an image TO a device, but can be useful when trying to "wipe" part of the information on a device
19:15.41greycator to retrieve only the MBR (etc.) from a device
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19:18.48rnmhdnwhat is print server
19:19.16rnmhdnI don't need it if I'm not using a printer right?
19:19.17greycatUsually CUPS.  It's the software that controls printing jobs, or a computer dedicated to running such a service.
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19:19.31greycatOh, as an installation task?  You can probably skip it, yeah.
19:19.47greycatYou can always add more stuff later.
19:19.55rnmhdnyeah
19:20.05rnmhdnI was just confused that it was checked by default
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19:20.30rnmhdnIt's fine to not install the debian DE right?
19:20.47greycatAbsolutely.
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19:21.29greycatThey wouldn't give you a choice, if it didn't work.
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19:25.00RandomSerbhey. I just installed debian with cinnamon. But, it's kind of laggish. Should I go with xfce?
19:25.09RandomSerbI've an old gpu, 1gb ram
19:25.14RandomSerbcould that be it?
19:25.31PackageCompareIf I am running Debian 8.7 and want to patch Spectre will that bring me to the latest Jessie Debian?
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19:26.23greycatYou should definitely update to the current jessie (oldstable) at the very minimum.
19:26.47greycatGive some thought to updating to current stable, but jessie still receives LTS for the moment.
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19:27.22PackageComparegreycat: if I stay on 8.7 does that mean the linux kernel doesn't get security updates?
19:27.59greycatYou get whatever security updates the LTS team provides for jessie.  Which should include kernel patches.
19:28.06greycat!lts
19:28.06dpkgDebian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years.  Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies.  Ask me about <jessie-lts> and see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information.  #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net.
19:29.16PackageCompareGreycat: I guess I am asking.. If I was on 8.7 and applied Spectre patch do I get to stay on 8.7 or does it bring me to the latest.
19:29.35greycatBy the way, patching to current jessie LTS will put you on 8.10, not that the number really means anything except telling us how far behind on patches you are.
19:29.56greycatI don't understand what you're trying to accomplish.
19:30.22PackageComparegreycat: Patching my systems but staying on my current version. I guess its not possible.
19:30.27greycatAre you saying you WANT to run a box with known security problems and leave the vast majority of them unfixed, and just cherry-pick a few?
19:30.36Tenkawai really wish they hadnt put the really bad rts driver in here for this realtek mmc adapter
19:30.53greycatIf you're going to cherry-pick security fixes, honestly, spectre would be pretty far down my priority list.
19:31.01Tenkawacant read 3 out of 4 cards in linux
19:31.18PackageComparegreycat: I have Security scanner installed, I can see where my issues are at this time #1 is Spectre
19:31.47greycatWhy would spectre be an issue?  Do you have untrusted users logging in and running random software?
19:31.50PackageComparegreycat: Yes I am ultimately saying cherry-picking
19:32.18PackageComparegreycat: I know its a local user vulnerability but its urgency is listed in red and people don't like red
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19:32.53greycatOh, this is to satisfy idiotic managers.
19:32.57greycatWell, good luck with that.
19:35.01Tenkawayeah then managing it
19:37.02greycatWell, if you WANT to stay vulnerable in every package except the kernel, I can't stop you.  Disable unattended-upgrades, do your apt-get updates manually, do your apt-get install linux-image-*s manually.
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19:43.12binaryhermitI thought debian 8 was oldstable and debian 9 was stable
19:43.49greycatcorrect
19:44.14greycatNot only is he on oldstable, but he's intentionally refusing to update it to the current patch level.
19:44.41binaryhermitso you don't need to update to stretch to get security updates right now, but you should
19:46.26greycatMy position is that he should absolutely be updating to the current jessie (8.10 with LTS support).  Updating to stretch (Debian 9.x) can be considered later.
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19:46.45greycatThere are legitimate reasons to stay on an old release.
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19:47.57binaryhermitthat's true
19:48.21binaryhermitbut you should be planning your escape path, IMO
19:52.14PackageCompareunattended-upgrades installs security patches for kernel and packages?
19:52.41greycatProbably.
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19:55.48PackageCompareWill this command upgrade me to 8.10 apt-get install --only-upgrade linux-base
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19:58.17greycatno
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19:59.19RandomSerbI can't believe how much faster is xfce compared to cinnamon
19:59.30RandomSerbman this is fast
20:00.25anttolxde is also gud
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20:01.24RandomSerbto be honest, no reason to change anything given how good xfce is
20:01.48RandomSerbanywho, how do I access sound settings in debian ? I can't seem to find it for the life of me
20:02.06Tenkawain x or console?
20:02.25greycatI use alsamixer because I don't use Pulse.  If you use Pulse then I think it's pavucontrol or something.
20:02.43Tenkawasame
20:03.31RandomSerbTenkawa, x
20:03.50RandomSerbgreycat, I don't know what I'm using, to be honest
20:04.00RandomSerbjust installed stretch with xfce
20:04.35greycatIf you're using a Desktop Environment, then there is usually some audio control panel type thingy provided by that DE.
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20:06.57RandomSerbgreycat, yeah, I'm used to that. but there's none
20:07.59RandomSerbshould I install pulse?
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20:08.26greycatRandomSerb: a quick google search and reading one and a half forum posts followed by a local apt-cache search, says you could try installing xfce4-goodies
20:08.43greycathttps://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2210233
20:09.08RandomSerbgreycat, tried, didn't help
20:09.08RandomSerbxfce4-goodies
20:09.37greycatwell, do your own google search then, and maybe you'll get a more targeted result
20:09.37jhutchins_wkRandomSerb: Thre's a mixer applet/plugin.  Unfortunately unmaintained.
20:10.34RandomSerbgreycat, I did, but couldn't find solution
20:10.37RandomSerbhence asked here
20:11.30jhutchins_wkRandomSerb: RIght click the bar, panel, Add new item, search audio.
20:11.54greycatFunny, that's what it said in the forum thread that I linked to.
20:12.01greycatI guess he didn't bother reading that.
20:12.22PackageCompareIf I mark my important packages as "Hold" with sudo apt-mark hold then when I do apt-get upgrade, they won'
20:12.27PackageComparewon't be touched right
20:12.38greycat!hold
20:12.38dpkghold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package.  To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'.  Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771 (fixed in stretch).  See also <hold list>, <unhold>.
20:12.53PackageComparethank you
20:13.01greycatnotes the "fixed in stretch" clause...
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20:14.12PackageCompareapt-cache policy will tell me what upgrade would install
20:14.13PackageCompareright
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20:14.49greycat"apt-get -u upgrade" will tell you what apt-get upgrade would install
20:16.16PackageCompare"apt list --upgradable" shows version numbers which I am looking for
20:16.34PackageCompareDo correct me if I am wrong though (as in not the full list or what not)
20:16.44greycatDon't know, never used that.
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20:36.53jhutchins_wkI think the alsa applet is left over from an earlier release I had on that box.
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20:39.52karlpincgreycat: Yah. the <hold> factoid could use an update to reverse the sense and say that aptitude hold is ignored ... _before_ stretch.
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20:45.48jhutchins_wkgreycat: I think both apt and aptitude display a message offering that after an update.
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20:54.53annadanebit of an emergency here, remember that usb stick i was talking about? now when i plug it in it's not even recognized, not in thunar, not via lsblk - just shows /dev/sdb, not /dev/sdb1
20:55.06annadanedo i have to mkfs.vfat it or is there something else i can try?
20:55.33greycatyou probably have to partition it first
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20:55.52greycat(unless there's data on it that you want to recover)
20:56.12annadanelike, i copied two files to it (to /media/annadane/f-something-code), they were there, i unmounted it and ejected it safely, and now it just doesn't detect
20:56.15annadanethe files were there before
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20:56.53annadanei still have the files, i can afford to lose the data on it, i just don't know why they vanished
20:56.53greycatA lot of USB devices don't even bother with partitions.  The whole thing is just one big file system.  Have you tried mounting /dev/sdb yet?
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20:57.36annadanemount: can't find /dev/sdb in /etc/fstab
20:57.48greycatgive it a directory also
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20:58.00annadanehttps://paste.debian.net/1047629/
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20:58.07annadanegive it a directory?
20:58.14greycatmount /dev/sdb /mnt
20:58.19annadaneoh, right. i'm stupid.
20:58.23greycator wherever you throw temporary mounts
20:59.03annadanehttps://paste.debian.net/1047630/
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20:59.49annadanei'm still baffled they just vanished, i didn't even do anything
21:01.45annadaneas i said, i still have the files. i can try mkfs.vfat and just copy them over again
21:02.41annadane(and i say vfat because that was the original filesystem on the stick)
21:07.09nyovwhat does, say, cfdisk say? any partitions it can see?
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21:08.33annadaneanyway, i have a backup stick, it detects this one for whatever reason ...
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21:09.14nyovoh. I meant "cfdisk /dev/sdb" or whichever disk
21:09.40annadane"select label type"
21:09.58annadaneshould i just reformat the damn thing?
21:10.16nyovcould be a bad flash
21:10.26annadaneanyway, let me just use the one that works
21:10.37nyovsure you can reformat it. but I wouldn't trust that it stays good
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21:13.16annadaneanyway, this one works. so never mind. (until it doesn't?)
21:13.38annadanewhat i did was: cp 'file name' '/media/annadane/USB DISK'. so it's not my copying method at fault
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21:15.10annadaneoh. i have a possible explanation. there was a storm last night and a consequent power flicker, that may have done it
21:15.39annadanemy actual external HD is fine, though, but maybe the usb stick is more flimsy
21:16.29nyovwonder if it even still has anything on it
21:16.36nyovfile -s /dev/sdb
21:16.51annadanecan't right now, i have to do other things, other one works though
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21:24.36Rboreal_Fripperycreating a debian package, which depends on another package. (in this case, a system-wide plugin for GIMP) I have found that the system plug-in directory for GIMP itself varies based on the version of GIMP. Is there a standard way when making a package, to vary installation paths based on the version of another package, or should I just handle it in the postinst script?
21:24.57Rboreal_Frippery(or just make a separate package for my plugin for each version of gimp)
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21:31.56moopthemightyok so i got debian installed on a harddrive but i had to hard reset it and then booted into an initramfs and did the fsck and then did an e2fsck from another THREE different OS (no windows utilities) and im STILL getting a warning and an offer to drop to shell and fsck again but if i ignore it my system boots normal... also, is there a single utility to make a live usb from debian with persistance
21:32.02moopthemightythat WORKS that I DONT have to "do it the hard way" ?
21:32.03moopthemightyive got a "grub2 boot USB" with an EFI partition and a 5gig boot partition following and a third partition for ISO and OS filesystem
21:32.08moopthemightybut i cant for the life of me get the third partition to boot right
21:32.35moopthemightybut at least I can use it as a portable grubUSB
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21:32.46s00xhey, how can I create sh script as a shortcut?
21:33.25moopthemightyln -ls (file) (link to make)
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21:33.42moopthemightyunless you are talking about a desktop thing then id ask in #gnome or #kde
21:33.59s00xare .desktop files are related to gnome?
21:34.01moopthemighty#ubuntu helps alot more with those types of questions IIRC
21:34.42moopthemightyi wouldnt know, ive been out of the game for 10 years and im studying security more than user configurable stuff
21:34.52s00xok, thx!
21:35.40annadanethere's .desktop files
21:35.45annadanefairly simple to look up
21:36.09moopthemightydude, i cant even... unetbootin doesnt work, respin doesnt work, remastersys scares the crap out of me to use becuse its old...
21:36.50s00xyeah, here's what I;m trying to achieve. I want to run .sh file which will choose correct .jar and then run that .jar. I know how to run .jar through .desktop: Exec=sh -c "java -jar /path/file.jar"
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21:37.24moopthemightythis SHOULD be simple but I cant seem to get this third partition to boot right. syslinux didnt put the files id assume ... things have changed sublty in the past 10 years and i wasnt there for it and noww im lost... please help
21:37.34s00xbut why somehing like that: Exec=sh -c "java -jar $(/path/choose-correct.jar.sh)" doesnt work?
21:38.04moopthemightyneed to encapsulate the stuff after the "=" in ''
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21:38.37moopthemightyvar_assign = 'some_command "stuff to feed the hungry command" more stuff ' ;
21:38.47s00xwhy i didn't need to with pure Exec=java -jar path/file.jar ?
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21:41.38moopthemightybecause that command doesnt have the quotes to confuse the interpreter
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21:42.32moopthemightyjava <option> <path> is expected and doesnt contain special characters
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22:50.29RandomSerbHello. I've a big issue with installing python3-dev package. I first wanted python 3.6, and since it's not available in debian original repositories, I added testing repository to the sources.list, and all hell broke loose from that point
22:50.43RandomSerbI then removed installed packages, added python3 again
22:50.47aloo_shuhmmm, s00x is gone, but isn't it `/path/to/script` rather than $(/path/to/script) that would return the result of running script, kn a bash line?
22:51.03mutantedpkg: frankendebian
22:51.03dpkgWhen you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess.  There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try.   Ask me about <reinstall>
22:51.17RandomSerbbut when I try to install python3-dev, when I try to install it, it says dependencies are not met
22:51.38RandomSerbtried all solutions I could find, but that didn't help
22:52.21RandomSerbhttps://dpaste.de/2de4
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22:53.16aloo_shulol frankendebian - I wonder who dpkg's botmaster is :)
22:53.49galaxieSo, a certain package from Debian Stable is not new enough for something I'm trying to compile from source. I never installed anything from Testing before, and I am assuming the version number is higher for Testing, but I wanted to be sure that Testing had the new enough package before I tried installing it. Any way of doing this?
22:53.56RandomSerbthis is my sources.list - https://dpaste.de/YYVV
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22:55.33mutanteRandomSerb: did you remove all packages you got from testing?
22:55.48RandomSerbmutante: I believe so, yes
22:55.58mutanteyou can try to remove all things python related  and then reinstall
22:56.03mutanteor reinstall the entire OS
22:56.18RandomSerbmutante: I removed everything python3 related
22:56.25RandomSerband added again
22:56.30mutanteare you getting any errors when you do apt-get update; apt-get upgrade no?
22:56.32mutantenow
22:56.37RandomSerbmutante: no
22:56.41mutantethen it's resolved?P)
22:56.55RandomSerbmutante: I still can't install python3-dev
22:57.33RandomSerbmutante: it says you have held broken packages
22:57.52mutanteRandomSerb: why not. you are on stable and it exist in stable  https://packages.debian.org/stretch/python3-dev
22:58.01mutanteeh, ok
22:58.02RandomSerbmutante:
22:58.15RandomSerbmutante: https://dpaste.de/h26m
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23:00.08l1nuxg33kInstall the packages it depends on
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23:01.01RandomSerblinuxg33k: I can't
23:01.03RandomSerbtried
23:01.09RandomSerbeach package has the same error
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23:01.42RandomSerbnow I found a command to debug it a tad more: https://dpaste.de/fuxt
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23:07.06nyovDepends: python3.5-dev (>= 3.5.3-1~) <that tilde looks bogus
23:09.09bitesnot really.
23:09.22nyovwhat does it mean?
23:09.52RandomSerbperhaps update-alternatives index?
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23:10.03nyov"bigger than any custom local version"?
23:11.08RandomSerbnvm, I'll reinstall the whole system, once again
23:11.14nyovRandomSerb: did you apt-get update, for starters?
23:11.32RandomSerbnyov: yeah, that, and dist upgrade, and install -f and --fix-broken
23:11.40RandomSerband another command to show broken packages
23:11.51RandomSerbnyov: literally anything I could find online
23:12.16nyovcan you check which versions of those python packages are installed?
23:12.29RandomSerbnyov: of which?
23:12.39l1nuxg33kDpkg —configure -a
23:12.39dpkgl1nuxg33k: I don't know, could you explain it?
23:13.03nyovlibpython3-dev + python3.5-dev, are they by chance installed
23:13.16RandomSerbnyov: nope, I'm trying to install them
23:13.20RandomSerbthey're not installed
23:14.37nyovto me it looks like some dependency can't be resolved because a bad package version, which probly must be downgraded
23:15.37nyovand yeah, I'd check tha dpkg --configure -a has nothing to do
23:15.39RandomSerbnyov: https://dpaste.de/HiWF
23:16.13nyovwell, I asked about libpython3-dev + python3.5-dev
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23:17.13RandomSerbnyov: https://dpaste.de/GND3
23:17.49nyovthanks
23:18.44RandomSerbnyov: so, reinstall? you've no other ideas?
23:18.51nyovwait a second
23:19.08nyovroot of the problem seems to be libexpat1-dev
23:19.32nyovbut I'm also guessing here
23:19.50nyov,v libexpat1-dev
23:19.51juddPackage: libexpat1-dev on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.1.0-1+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 2.1.0-1+deb7u5; jessie: 2.1.0-6+deb8u4; jessie-security: 2.1.0-6+deb8u4; stretch: 2.2.0-2+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.2.0-2+deb9u1; buster: 2.2.6-1; sid: 2.2.6-1
23:19.54RandomSerbnyov: root of the problem seems to have something to do with amd64 packages in the end, to me at least
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23:24.06nyovwish I could understand those debug output flags. is there a manual for that
23:26.41l1nuxg33kdpkg --get-selections | grep hold
23:26.42dpkgselects l1nuxg33k's pr0n collection
23:27.13nyovRandomSerb: well this would likely be easy to fix with some aptitude foo, but alas, I don't understand this debug output enough
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23:27.36RandomSerbdpkg --get-selections | grep hold shows nothing
23:27.36dpkgselects randomserb's pr0n collection
23:28.25l1nuxg33kDamnit
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23:28.59nyovand for expat? apt-cache policy libexpat1-dev libc6-dev
23:29.27RandomSerbl1nuxg33k: but grepping deinstall has some packages I already installed from said testing repo
23:30.08RandomSerbnyov: https://dpaste.de/WYMN
23:30.30nyovwait. what
23:31.04RandomSerbnyov, l1nuxg33k: https://dpaste.de/B1NZ
23:31.35RandomSerbnyov: libpython3.6-minimal:amd64deinstall
23:31.43RandomSerbwhat is that actually, l1nuxg33k ?
23:32.02l1nuxg33kDid you try installing it with aptitude?
23:32.21RandomSerbyeah, it says pretty much the same, offers solution to disregard them all
23:33.28RandomSerbhttps://dpaste.de/cPeC
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23:35.32nyovfinally
23:35.36nyovlibc6-dev : Depends: libc6 (= 2.24-11+deb9u3) but 2.27-6 is installed
23:36.20nyovyour libc6 is too new
23:36.33RandomSerbyeah, downgrade's not working
23:36.43nyov,v libc6
23:36.44juddPackage: libc6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u12; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u3; buster: 2.27-6; sid: 2.27-6
23:37.21RandomSerbnyov: fwiw, I have debian 9 on all my VPSs, and never have I had any issues with installing python3-dev
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23:38.28nyovthis is not an issue with python now, you can't install the libc6-dev of a different libc6 version
23:39.11nyoveither you downgrade that (and all the dependencies) to stretch, or you stick with buster
23:39.34RandomSerbit won't downgrade
23:40.00RandomSerbalso, why was that version installed in the first place?
23:40.33RandomSerbhttps://dpaste.de/mfE6
23:40.40nyovbecause your python3.6 depended on a newer libc
23:40.48RandomSerbsomething about ldconfig not being in the path
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23:41.21RandomSerbok, great
23:41.24RandomSerbI'll reinstall then
23:41.28RandomSerbwhat else to do...
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23:41.49mutanteapt-get remove python*  ?  not sure though how much that will pull with it
23:41.53mutantebut if you have nothing to lose
23:42.12nyovinstall or downgrade locales
23:42.52nyovoh nvm
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23:43.00nyovI think you should reinstall
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23:43.41mutanteif /home is a separate partition you can keep that to make it less hassle
23:43.46nyovor install buster libc-bin first, then downgrade it
23:44.01l1nuxg33kI agree. Something didn’t go right on the initial install.
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23:44.34mutantei think it was because testing was in APT sources temporarily and then removed again?
23:45.04RandomSerbl1nuxg33k: you think it was related to the system install or python, nyov ?
23:45.40l1nuxg33kSystem install
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23:45.53RandomSerbhmm, that's weird. why would that be?
23:46.11nyovno. the python3.6 install from testing did this
23:46.21RandomSerblet me not waste any more time. I'll reinstall
23:48.34l1nuxg33kOh I didn’t realize you installed from testing
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23:52.20Mr_QueueAnyone remember the SoftLayer link for speedtests? All I can find now is some flash bullshit. They used to have a file you could wget.
23:52.59Mr_QueueOh I think google found it.
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23:55.19Mr_Queuewget -O /dev/null http://speedtest.wdc01.softlayer.com/downloads/test1000.zip
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23:58.07RandomSerbhow much did that take me?
23:58.13RandomSerb20?
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23:59.53l1nuxg33kIf that

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