| 00:01.22 | *** join/#debian de-facto (~de-facto@gateway/tor-sasl/de-facto) |
| 00:03.41 | *** join/#debian mzf (~fakhraee@unaffiliated/mzf) |
| 00:04.23 | *** join/#debian robs_ (~robs@bce1.fw1.capo.montpellier-agglo.com) |
| 00:08.02 | *** join/#debian netcrash (~netcrash@187-14-187-61.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 00:09.45 | *** join/#debian canduster (~canduster@2601:1c0:cc01:67da:75af:325b:dc82:1d8b) |
| 00:11.03 | *** join/#debian Masterph_ (~Masterphi@unaffiliated/masterphi) |
| 00:11.49 | *** join/#debian acidtripper (~acidtripp@unaffiliated/acidtripper) |
| 00:14.45 | *** join/#debian polo51_ (~polo51@2603:3020:183c:b000:f099:976d:3c66:1263) |
| 00:15.21 | *** join/#debian Nokaji (~Nokaji@90.254.55.106) |
| 01:34.50 | *** join/#debian apt (ibot@208.53.50.136) |
| 01:34.50 | *** topic/#debian is Debian Stretch: /msg dpkg stretch ; /msg dpkg 9.5 ; /msg dpkg jessie->stretch ; /msg dpkg install stretch | Oldstable: Debian Jessie /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg 8.11 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing, unstable: #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog |
| 01:35.06 | ryouma | nm, i found it |
| 01:35.09 | RoyK | agio: /etc/vim/vimrc calls /etc/vim/vimrc.local at the end |
| 01:35.22 | agio | RoyK: yes you are right |
| 01:35.45 | agio | ryouma: did you try file:///path/to/file in address bar? |
| 01:36.10 | *** join/#debian brw (~brw@47.185.175.211) |
| 01:36.39 | RoyK | agio: (s)he said (s)he found it |
| 01:37.53 | ryouma | agio: it's a dialog box, so no address bar. but there is a choice to create one. |
| 01:38.56 | agio | what is the purpose of the /etc/defaults folder? what does it do that the regular /etc folder doesn't? is it so packages can copy their config files from? |
| 01:40.53 | *** join/#debian xcm (~xcm@ipa210.225.tellas.gr) |
| 01:41.00 | *** join/#debian Ryushin (chris@2001:470:4b:38f:777::8729) |
| 01:41.01 | *** join/#debian pagetelegram (~pageteleg@2601:249:b00:b66a::d7aa) |
| 01:41.45 | *** join/#debian inaki (~inaki@181.31.108.84) |
| 01:43.30 | RoyK | agio: quite a few packages store their configs there |
| 01:43.53 | agio | but why? its a non-standard location? |
| 01:44.04 | RoyK | agio: it's about the parameters used to start the daemons or whatever |
| 01:44.12 | agio | seems like packages copy their configs from there? |
| 01:44.24 | RoyK | agio: I don't care - it's been there for years so it'll probably be there for some time |
| 01:46.29 | RoyK | agio: I guess the defaults folder is just the default startup arguments for services, those that have to be passed to them and can't be set in config files |
| 01:47.00 | *** join/#debian morpheus (~morpheus@177.183.74.95) |
| 01:47.25 | agio | looks like they take the form of shell vars too? |
| 01:47.57 | RoyK | agio: yes, they generally do - is this a problem? |
| 01:48.52 | Guest5229 | hi there |
| 01:48.59 | *** join/#debian sidmo_ (~ident@p5B24ECC0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 01:49.14 | *** join/#debian cybercrypto (~cybercryp@177.183.74.95) |
| 01:49.50 | *** join/#debian dvs (~hibbard@cwv.teksavvy.com) |
| 01:49.54 | cybercrypto | :-) |
| 01:53.03 | *** join/#debian lazerlemon (uid318577@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kwwwldjwyqbadnpi) |
| 01:53.11 | *** join/#debian awal1 (~awal1@modemcable251.103-162-184.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 01:53.54 | lazerlemon | today I ran down a nigger in my car, it was a good feeling, they glow in the dark |
| 01:54.14 | lazerlemon | it was a big zulu fucker |
| 01:54.41 | lazerlemon | then we became best friends, got high off of gas and touched dicks |
| 01:55.57 | lazerlemon | in 1976 I pushed a feminist into a horses ass |
| 01:57.15 | *** join/#debian dArK_IcE (~lawl@a95-93-184-169.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 01:58.33 | lazerlemon | I fuck bowling pins |
| 02:01.25 | *** join/#debian mzf (~fakhraee@unaffiliated/mzf) |
| 02:03.34 | lazerlemon | anyone here |
| 02:04.09 | awal1 | !ops lazerlemon spamming |
| 02:04.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: awal1 complains about a problem (see above) |
| 02:04.46 | lazerlemon | !ops lazerlemon is awesome |
| 02:04.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: lazerlemon complains about a problem (see above) |
| 02:04.59 | *** mode/#debian [+o somiaj] by ChanServ |
| 02:05.00 | lazerlemon | IM IMERVIOUS TO KICK/BAN/QUIETS |
| 02:05.00 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kwwwldjwyqbadnpi] by somiaj |
| 02:05.00 | *** kick/#debian [lazerlemon!~jaimos@unaffiliated/somiaj] by somiaj (you should know better) |
| 02:05.03 | *** mode/#debian [-o somiaj] by somiaj |
| 02:05.04 | nyov | damn, awal1, we almost outwaited him |
| 02:10.38 | *** join/#debian dexta_ (~D3XTA@host217-43-205-85.range217-43.btcentralplus.com) |
| 02:12.56 | karlpinc | agio: There is no standard way to startup daemons, just as there's no standard way to configure network interfaces. Systemd has now put itself forward as the standard, but not only are there still plenty of sharp corners in systemd but repackaging everything to start daemons differently is not something that happens instantly. |
| 02:14.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1311] by debhelper |
| 02:14.14 | agio | karlpinc: so are you saying the purpose of the /etc/defaults directory is to store startup configs for daemons? |
| 02:14.57 | agio | or at least for those daemons which choose to follow that convention? |
| 02:16.15 | mason | agio: Not just daemons. Also things like grub, one-shot keyboard set-up, etc. |
| 02:16.40 | mason | agio: And it's hard to imagine that config going away, as that's a long tradition in Debian. |
| 02:17.09 | agio | but how is /etc/defaults differ to regular /etc ? |
| 02:17.20 | agio | according to debian practices? |
| 02:18.09 | mason | I'm not sure really. It's not described in hier(7). |
| 02:18.37 | *** join/#debian cybercrypto (~cybercryp@177.183.74.95) |
| 02:20.24 | *** join/#debian banc (~master@82.145.37.203) |
| 02:21.28 | *** join/#debian clay (~clay@241.ip-144-217-84.net) |
| 02:21.58 | *** join/#debian n4dir (~n4dir@mue-88-130-56-190.dsl.tropolys.de) |
| 02:22.24 | *** join/#debian Mazhive_one (~Mazhive@199.38.232.120) |
| 02:25.49 | *** join/#debian Guest31955 (~rwtrecs@187.123.0.144) |
| 02:31.16 | *** join/#debian transience_ (~transienc@CPEbc4dfb43f283-CMbc4dfb43f280.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 02:32.11 | *** join/#debian mason (~mason@redhat/mason) |
| 02:33.26 | *** join/#debian OS-svetcay (~OS-42252@74.222.71.184) |
| 02:33.58 | *** join/#debian Emmanuel_Chanel (~Emmanuel_@ZN024052.ppp.dion.ne.jp) |
| 02:36.42 | *** join/#debian OS-40114 (~OS-40114@d192-24-25-122.try.wideopenwest.com) |
| 02:37.21 | *** join/#debian kampsun (~hendrik@unaffiliated/kampsun) |
| 02:38.42 | *** join/#debian FreeitConsultant (~freeitcon@189.163.4.155) |
| 02:39.02 | *** join/#debian martian67 (~martian67@about/linux/regular/martian67) |
| 02:39.12 | *** join/#debian mzf (~fakhraee@unaffiliated/mzf) |
| 02:39.36 | *** join/#debian pkx1 (~pkx@unaffiliated/pkx) |
| 02:40.31 | *** join/#debian neibo (~bingen@169.pool85-61-151.dynamic.orange.es) |
| 02:41.26 | *** join/#debian boturk (boturk@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/boturk) |
| 02:42.14 | maxrazer | Does anyone know of some good limited handbook for Debian that tells how to do many basic user things? |
| 02:44.18 | *** join/#debian JohnA1 (~john@2606:6d00:100:4302:348d:b791:befa:6083) |
| 02:45.11 | tomreyn | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ |
| 02:45.42 | tomreyn | maxrazer: ^ |
| 02:47.12 | ryouma | agio: /etc/grub has boot entries and stuff. /etc/default/grub has settings for grub. which isn't an answer. |
| 02:48.49 | *** join/#debian pkx1 (~pkx@unaffiliated/pkx) |
| 02:49.18 | maxrazer | tomreyn, Thanks, I'll take a look at that. It may be more what I'm looking for. |
| 02:51.04 | maxrazer | I think it actually has way more than I want and not the things I want. I would expect a manual to have the things a user would commonly do, including additional programs to install. Tar/zip other things. |
| 02:52.21 | maxrazer | I was thinking of making such a guide. Including mounting usb flash, formatting. user stuff. |
| 02:52.46 | maxrazer | Maybe setting default sound card. All the things I run into. |
| 02:55.21 | tomreyn | the guide i pointed to is mostly a CLI guide / system administration reference. originally debian was primarily a server OS, and there are different desktop environments to choose from so amking a single guide wont work. |
| 02:56.02 | tomreyn | in case you're using gnome, https://packages.debian.org/stretch/gnome-user-guide may be of interest |
| 02:56.13 | *** join/#debian Lvl4Sword (~Lvl4Sword@unaffiliated/lvl4sword) |
| 02:56.29 | awal1 | dpkg: debian handbook |
| 02:56.29 | dpkg | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>. PDF at https://debian-handbook.info/download/stable/debian-handbook.pdf |
| 02:56.38 | tomreyn | https://help.gnome.org/users/ |
| 02:56.39 | maxrazer | I'm using DWM for my window manager. |
| 02:56.56 | awal1 | maxrazer debian handbook ? |
| 02:56.59 | n4dir | all the things he mentioned can be done from the commandline, of course. And imho: should be done from there ... |
| 02:57.24 | maxrazer | Yes, I want basic user commands you need to get around and use the internet and a guide for debian. I may create it. |
| 02:57.33 | *** join/#debian Vizva (~Vizva@gateway/tor-sasl/vizva) |
| 02:57.44 | n4dir | in general a good idea, maxrazer. Well: of course :-) |
| 02:58.16 | n4dir | wiki.debian.org sometimes is not what call perfect (for quite some subjects it is though ...) |
| 02:58.27 | maxrazer | tar xvf, unzip, lsblk, mount, unmount, fdisk or whatever is used to format a flash drive etc etc. |
| 02:58.34 | *** join/#debian hatesec (~chronicle@unaffiliated/hatesec) |
| 02:58.39 | n4dir | maxrazer: look at forums.debian.net -> beginners guide or such. kelsoo and i gave it a shot, back in the days |
| 02:58.43 | maxrazer | Set default sound card using only ALSA. |
| 02:58.52 | n4dir | don't think it covers what you mentioned though |
| 02:59.00 | ryouma | maxrazer: waht specifically do you awnt to do first? shell stuff? |
| 02:59.46 | tomreyn | "Tar/zip other things" https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch10.en.html#_archive_and_compression_tools |
| 02:59.49 | ryouma | nm i see what you want |
| 03:00.04 | maxrazer | I need to lookup formatting a usb flash drive, never done that before. I just feel like all these things I need to do should be in one place. A common user needs to be able to unzip a zip file or tar.gz from the internet. Many such examples. |
| 03:00.22 | *** join/#debian bitpolare (~bitpolare@94-36-42-60.adsl-ull.clienti.tiscali.it) |
| 03:00.44 | maxrazer | But, something a person can familiarize themselves with and not have all the other very technical administration stuff unlikely to use. I might create a list and put it together myself. |
| 03:00.53 | n4dir | https://www.cyberciti.biz/ |
| 03:01.22 | *** join/#debian bnw (~bnw@unaffiliated/bnw) |
| 03:01.54 | ryouma | maxrazer: general linux stuff, try to find an intro. advanced, try arch wiki. debian specific, the various handbooks and guides are pretty good and have some general ti9ps too. |
| 03:02.11 | maxrazer | thanks, I'll bookmark that it may come in handy. I do want to lookup some shell scripting at some point too. |
| 03:02.39 | maxrazer | Yeah, a general Linux intro would probably work. |
| 03:02.43 | n4dir | maxrazer: for shellscripting (seriously): use mywiki.wooledge.org. The web is full of crap |
| 03:02.44 | ryouma | maxrazer: there are good scripting guides i think. advice: avoid the bash manual. |
| 03:03.10 | maxrazer | I'm not exactly sure what I want to use the scripting for, but maybe for setting up the system and installing stuff after initial install. |
| 03:03.24 | ryouma | yeah you want basic bash plus basic utilities |
| 03:03.32 | n4dir | wooledge.org, and make sure to doublecheck everything in #bash |
| 03:03.36 | maxrazer | I also want to create a guide for getting the system installed and upgraded to Unstable and also installing and configuring DWM. |
| 03:04.31 | ryouma | you might want to stick with stable at first |
| 03:04.54 | maxrazer | I used stable for a while. I don't think it is necessary. |
| 03:04.54 | n4dir | like in : edit sources list, do apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 03:05.18 | *** join/#debian oahong (~samigarus@unaffiliated/samigarus) |
| 03:05.26 | maxrazer | Yeah, and apt is kind of confusing because the man entry didn't have all the commands listed that apt-get has. |
| 03:05.50 | ryouma | maxrazer: ok, just thught it strange that you were asking some good basic questions and then wanted undstable. sometimes to fix things you need basic stuff. |
| 03:05.54 | maxrazer | Other exmaples, people need to know about gdebi, and also where software installs and add to path or some solution so they can run it from a working directory. |
| 03:06.26 | maxrazer | It is about what do I think a user needs to know and doesn't need to know and putting that all together. |
| 03:06.30 | n4dir | if you cover all that, or even a part of it, you again will have a huge site which loads of info many don't care for. |
| 03:06.42 | ryouma | maxrazer: got it |
| 03:06.54 | n4dir | i think going for wiki.debian.org and contributing there is the better option. I see your point, of course. |
| 03:07.09 | n4dir | fun for sure. |
| 03:07.31 | ryouma | if debian wiki becomes as good as arch wiki, you're doing a great job :) |
| 03:07.49 | ryouma | loyal debian user |
| 03:08.34 | n4dir | the mentioned handbook is very good though. |
| 03:09.07 | maxrazer | So, if I go to wiki.debian.org and type "gdebi" it says returned no results. Don't you need gdebi if you just get a package from somewhere? |
| 03:09.29 | n4dir | -- dpkg -i ***.deb |
| 03:09.49 | n4dir | gdebi being sligthly more comfortable, of course |
| 03:10.10 | maxrazer | Yeah, but dpkg is backend and no dependancies so can fail. I know you can use apt install ./file name |
| 03:10.47 | maxrazer | I installed something with gdebi and couldn't run it because /opt/program/bin wasn't in my path. |
| 03:10.47 | n4dir | but in general: don't install third party stuff (either add repos or install random *deb). Look at simple-sid-backport instead. -> /dpkg msg ssb |
| 03:10.48 | ryouma | so why is apt-get insufficient for local packages? |
| 03:11.42 | maxrazer | n4dir, I know about the don't install third party stuff, but I can't decide on that. So, just get the source and build a non-package binary? |
| 03:11.43 | n4dir | follow command to install dependencies: apt-get install -f ; iirc as said i hardly ever install third party and am not much in backporting either |
| 03:12.23 | maxrazer | And then there are statically linked binaries which often work, but are pretty rare. |
| 03:12.24 | n4dir | maxrazer: the usual recommendation is to create a backport yourself. /msg dpkg ssb will tell you how |
| 03:12.56 | maxrazer | create a backport? Would that apply to debian unstable? So, create my own package from the source basically? |
| 03:13.13 | *** join/#debian Ryushin (chris@2001:470:4134:10::1002) |
| 03:13.18 | n4dir | you run stable, you add sid sources entry in sources.list. You backport from sid for stable |
| 03:13.32 | *** join/#debian Guest31955 (~rwtrecs@187.123.0.144) |
| 03:13.46 | maxrazer | Yeah, I'm not sure about that approach. I think sid may be fine. |
| 03:14.44 | maxrazer | Also, from now on its called Blinux, with a "b" |
| 03:15.04 | maxrazer | Just wanted to let you guys know. |
| 03:18.22 | maxrazer | Creating .deb packages takes a while I think. Maybe there is a good tool to do it from source. I tried making my own package with a basic C program with a printf and I still couldn't get the package perfect. |
| 03:19.23 | n4dir | as far i can tell: if you backport from sid, then you already got the debian/ folder and all the entries inside of the downloaded source code |
| 03:19.33 | n4dir | so most of the work is already done. |
| 03:19.57 | n4dir | go to forums.debian.net and look at "how to build a package the smart way" or similar. Its a good thread. |
| 03:21.02 | n4dir | also lots of good entries about that subject at wiki.debian.org. For a noob like me the one created by the debian-women is the best ... |
| 03:21.46 | maxrazer | I'm finding some threads called that, but they don't seem right. |
| 03:23.46 | *** join/#debian vivid (~ViViD@unaffiliated/vivid) |
| 03:24.19 | n4dir | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=38976 |
| 03:24.25 | *** join/#debian armando (~armando@c-67-169-114-35.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 03:25.07 | n4dir | the debian wiki: https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingTutorial |
| 03:25.58 | *** join/#debian Lvl4Sword (~Lvl4Sword@unaffiliated/lvl4sword) |
| 03:28.32 | *** join/#debian morfeokmg (~morfeokmg@fixed-187-190-38-30.totalplay.net) |
| 03:28.59 | *** join/#debian Guest31955 (~rwtrecs@187.123.0.144) |
| 03:30.14 | maxrazer | n4dir, Ok, got it bookmarked thanks. |
| 03:30.35 | *** join/#debian urbanmonk (~urbanmonk@CPEe4f042d25fe3-CM00fc8d3e1f20.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 03:31.45 | maxrazer | Can you uninstall applications with apt that were installed with gdebi? |
| 03:31.50 | n4dir | no problem. I only give some info i ran into during the years |
| 03:32.01 | n4dir | yes, you can easily uninstall them. |
| 03:32.08 | n4dir | like usual |
| 03:32.20 | maxrazer | Ok, you wouldn't uninstall with gdebi because that has to specify a local package. |
| 03:32.34 | *** join/#debian toozej (~toozej@97.115.211.159) |
| 03:32.38 | maxrazer | But if you install with dpkg you can't uninstall with apt, right? |
| 03:32.59 | n4dir | yup. not that clear how to put it in words. A try: as dpkg knows now about them, you just do it with apt-get, aptitude, now apt. What you have |
| 03:33.33 | *** join/#debian xcm (~xcm@ipa210.225.tellas.gr) |
| 03:34.41 | *** join/#debian cybercrypto (~cybercryp@177.183.74.95) |
| 03:35.07 | n4dir | i think of apt-get, aptitude, apt as backends for dpkg. Might well be i am wrong there. Manpages probably know. |
| 03:35.09 | maxrazer | Hmm. Actually I think you can. I think it was something about never use make install. |
| 03:35.29 | maxrazer | The apt man page is missing a lot of apt-get arguments. |
| 03:35.30 | Unit193 | n4dir: Other way around, apt/apt-get, aptitude are the frontends. |
| 03:35.36 | *** part/#debian Lvl4Sword (~Lvl4Sword@unaffiliated/lvl4sword) |
| 03:35.43 | n4dir | Unit193: thanks :-) |
| 03:36.01 | maxrazer | And apt is sort of even more of a front end for apt-get and apt-cache |
| 03:36.19 | Unit193 | Also, yes if you dpkg -i somedeb.deb, you can apt-get purge package too, but I'd say you should apt install ./somedeb.deb as it takes care of deps too. |
| 03:36.38 | maxrazer | I've done apt install ./somedeb.deb before. |
| 03:36.44 | Unit193 | maxrazer: More user friendly perhaps, but it's more or less the same thing whereas aptitude is a different application. |
| 03:36.56 | maxrazer | no more need for gdebi then perhaps. |
| 03:37.08 | Unit193 | It has a shiny gui...? |
| 03:37.13 | n4dir | lol. |
| 03:37.16 | maxrazer | gdebi never had a GUI when I used it. |
| 03:37.24 | maxrazer | But when I look it up some guides show a GUI |
| 03:37.42 | maxrazer | So, I don't get that. |
| 03:38.00 | Unit193 | It has both, actually. |
| 03:38.11 | maxrazer | Well how to run the GUI? |
| 03:38.28 | awal1 | gdebi is already gui |
| 03:38.30 | Unit193 | Open a deb file with it? The binary is gdebi-gtk |
| 03:38.31 | awal1 | g=gnome |
| 03:39.18 | awal1 | i mean gdebi already contains the graphical interface |
| 03:39.28 | maxrazer | I don't get why people say to use gdebi when apt-get works. |
| 03:39.41 | n4dir | fun fact: i didn't know of the cli version of cli ... |
| 03:39.43 | maxrazer | Ok, it has a GUI. I'll have to see if that helps.' |
| 03:39.44 | Unit193 | Because apt install ./file.deb is fairly new. |
| 03:39.51 | n4dir | ups: of gdebi |
| 03:40.02 | maxrazer | And I believe you can say apt-get install ./debfile too. |
| 03:40.50 | maxrazer | I can't remember now, but there was an apt command I needed and it wasn't in apt man page, but it was in apt-get man page so I didn't know about it. |
| 03:40.50 | *** join/#debian monksam (~monksam@gateway/tor-sasl/monksam) |
| 03:41.21 | *** join/#debian side^effects (~al|iss@gateway/tor-sasl/aliss/x-63218493) |
| 03:42.52 | awal1 | maxrazer, a good resume about dpkg vs apt and so |
| 03:42.53 | awal1 | https://raphaelhertzog.com/2011/06/20/apt-get-aptitude-%E2%80%A6-pick-the-right-debian-package-manager-for-you/ |
| 03:43.03 | *** join/#debian dsnow (~dsnow@lousy.tech) |
| 03:43.04 | maxrazer | Oh, I remember. It was stuff like install suggests. That wasn't listed in the apt man page. |
| 03:43.59 | maxrazer | But, it is in the apt-get man page. |
| 03:44.14 | jelly | a guide from 2011 would not know about /usr/bin/apt |
| 03:44.18 | nyov | apt-get and apt are pretty much the same program now, I think? as apparently both have Super Cow Powaz now |
| 03:44.47 | *** join/#debian Guest31955 (~rwtrecs@187.123.0.144) |
| 03:45.06 | nyov | I also didn't know about the apt-get install ./deb yet |
| 03:46.20 | awal1 | apt wanna be a single tool combining apt-get and apt-cache , a user friendly tool |
| 03:46.54 | nyov | a good thing, in my opinion |
| 03:47.02 | awal1 | but it should be called other than apt. it is confusing |
| 03:47.03 | *** join/#debian jarfr (~jarfr@gateway/tor-sasl/jarfr) |
| 03:47.22 | n4dir | assuming there will be a complete documentation too ... (well: there probably is). |
| 03:47.37 | maxrazer | apt list exists, but not apt-cache list or apt-get list. |
| 03:47.51 | maxrazer | I only see dpkg -l | grep packagename |
| 03:48.23 | awal1 | it is confusing bcoz a non advised user may not now if apt (the new one) is the original apt, or the new one combining -get and -cache |
| 03:48.33 | awal1 | not know |
| 03:49.29 | maxrazer | Also, how often do you need install recommend, or suggests, because that is not listed in apt, only apt-get |
| 03:49.34 | *** join/#debian mzf (~fakhraee@unaffiliated/mzf) |
| 03:50.00 | n4dir | pretty sure recommends get installed by default. |
| 03:50.27 | n4dir | i don't remember i ever installed suggests. so lazy ... always the defaults. |
| 03:51.03 | maxrazer | Hmm, maybe install suggests is installed by default? |
| 03:51.15 | maxrazer | recommends is installed by default I found, since version lucid. |
| 03:51.18 | *** join/#debian Sryvk (~sryvk@89.17.157.7) |
| 03:51.24 | maxrazer | But what about recommends? |
| 03:51.30 | maxrazer | I mean suggests |
| 03:51.50 | awal1 | well, if you do apt-get --install-suggests install something you may get at the end debian-based installed |
| 03:52.56 | awal1 | years ago i did that installing xfce and I seriously ended with skolelinux at the end of the install |
| 03:54.05 | awal1 | well, it was more than --install-suggests, I followed an xfce tutorial in debian wiki |
| 03:54.42 | maxrazer | For example with clementine I wanted to make sure the gstreamer plugins were installed, which are under suggests. |
| 04:01.08 | maxrazer | --install suggests is not listed in the apt man page for example, but it is an option. |
| 04:01.34 | *** join/#debian monksam (~monksam@gateway/tor-sasl/monksam) |
| 04:03.11 | *** join/#debian xcm (~xcm@ipa210.225.tellas.gr) |
| 04:03.19 | *** join/#debian canduster (~canduster@2601:1c0:cc01:67da:75af:325b:dc82:1d8b) |
| 04:04.02 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1304] by debhelper |
| 04:05.13 | *** mode/#debian [+o eir] by ChanServ |
| 04:05.13 | *** mode/#debian [-bo *!*@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kwwwldjwyqbadnpi eir] by eir |
| 04:06.35 | *** join/#debian Mazhive_one (~Mazhive@199.38.233.161) |
| 04:06.45 | ryouma | it feels a little strange to me to have a cli command, apt, that is intended for interactive use only, and not recommended for shell scripts, but recommended for use. i get that its interface will change and it is experimental, but it seems like there is a tradition of things being scriptable that should be honored, or something. never mind me, just being picky. |
| 04:08.07 | wr | i don't know why but i never liked the debian-installer something about it.. i don't know... |
| 04:08.35 | *** join/#debian martian67 (~martian67@about/linux/regular/martian67) |
| 04:08.41 | awal1 | At the end of https://wiki.debian.org/Xfce it is mentioned "To install all xfce4 packages do: apt-get install `apt-cache search xfce | cut -d ' ' -f1` |
| 04:08.51 | awal1 | really a weird command |
| 04:09.42 | wr | awal1, command seems to make sense |
| 04:09.50 | n4dir | pretty sure $(command) is recommended over `command` |
| 04:09.53 | awal1 | that is the command I executed years ago without knowing what is means exactly and I ended havoing skolelinux distro |
| 04:10.04 | wr | *command |
| 04:10.19 | awal1 | now I know what , it should be removed from that wiki |
| 04:10.24 | *** join/#debian oo_miguel (~miguel@89-75-127-111.dynamic.chello.pl) |
| 04:11.37 | awal1 | wr, it makes sens the command sure but it is not a good suggestion for users who just want a debian xfce desktop |
| 04:12.14 | wr | awal1, any command that runs fine is a nice one, bash is geeky |
| 04:13.16 | wr | awal1, there is a difference on installing xfce and all xfce packages |
| 04:13.17 | awal1 | wr, all command have sens but in that wiki tutorial context it is completely wrong and not appropriate |
| 04:14.06 | wr | awal1, it is correct, all packages |
| 04:14.18 | awal1 | wr, do you realize what that command does exactly? |
| 04:14.30 | wr | yep |
| 04:14.47 | wr | goes on cache and gets all xfce packages |
| 04:15.07 | wr | for me make sense |
| 04:15.17 | n4dir | if you want to install all xfce packages ; is already nonsense. install xfce, perhaps install xfce-goodies, perhaps go for tasksel |
| 04:15.19 | wr | *makes |
| 04:15.40 | awal1 | lol, if I am a spanish spoken and I want xfce I am not sure I need task-chinese-t-desktop for example |
| 04:16.15 | awal1 | it make sens sure, but the wiki should say something dufferent than all xfce pkgs |
| 04:16.19 | wr | awal1, if you want xfce you do apt-get install xfce4 xfce-goodies if want all packages is maybe another story |
| 04:16.46 | awal1 | wr, exact, xfce i just need xfce and it's goodies |
| 04:17.11 | wr | awal1, it's written there "To install all xfce4 packages do:" |
| 04:17.33 | n4dir | i ran more than once in such weird stuff at wiki.debian. probably someone who "wants to give back" |
| 04:17.41 | awal1 | no all desktop tasks and all those thousands pkgs |
| 04:17.50 | n4dir | wr: it is written there, but it doesn't make any sense. |
| 04:18.01 | awal1 | wr, i think you dont get what i mean |
| 04:18.02 | wr | yes it does |
| 04:18.07 | *** join/#debian Masterph_ (~Masterphi@unaffiliated/masterphi) |
| 04:18.12 | n4dir | perhaps if you want to learn chinese ... |
| 04:18.24 | *** join/#debian dez (uid92154@fedora/deSouza) |
| 04:18.37 | wr | awal1, n4dir and it says "To install Xfce, do the following:" -> apt-get install xfce4 |
| 04:18.59 | awal1 | wr, i understand what the command does exactly, it is wrong in the context where it is |
| 04:19.08 | wr | nope |
| 04:19.12 | awal1 | just try it simulating with aptitude |
| 04:19.12 | wr | your wrong |
| 04:19.23 | n4dir | gives up |
| 04:19.28 | wr | this debian is debian 1 - user 0 |
| 04:19.38 | awal1 | aptitude -s install `apt-cache search xfce | cut -d ' ' -f1` |
| 04:19.40 | *** join/#debian semeion (~semeion@unaffiliated/semeion) |
| 04:20.00 | awal1 | do you thinks an user who wants a complete xfce desktop will need all those pkgs? |
| 04:20.04 | wr | thats another command, a different story |
| 04:20.05 | n4dir | might just as well run the ` ... ` > output.txt awal1 |
| 04:20.37 | n4dir | without the backticks, of course ... |
| 04:20.42 | *** join/#debian lankanmon (~LKNnet@CPE64777d632383-CM64777d632380.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 04:20.53 | wr | you guys need to train the bash |
| 04:21.00 | n4dir | lol. |
| 04:21.07 | wr | ehehehe |
| 04:21.12 | awal1 | bro, i give up |
| 04:21.25 | awal1 | you don't wanna understand my idea |
| 04:21.41 | wr | awal1, there's no point, a apt-get install xfce is not apt-get install xfce4 |
| 04:21.42 | n4dir | 06:20 <greybot> The backquote (`) is used in the old-style command substitution, e.g. foo=`command`. The foo=$(command) syntax is |
| 04:21.45 | n4dir | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:21.48 | n4dir | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:21.49 | n4dir | speaking of training bash |
| 04:21.58 | *** join/#debian Sryvk (~sryvk@89.17.157.7) |
| 04:22.23 | awal1 | wr, i know |
| 04:22.47 | *** join/#debian BeerHall (~Thunderbi@222.95.2.190) |
| 04:22.51 | *** join/#debian booyah (~bb@193.25.1.157) |
| 04:23.45 | awal1 | task-chinese is not an xfce pkg |
| 04:24.07 | awal1 | an xfce chinese user may need it yes |
| 04:24.15 | awal1 | but not a bulgarian one |
| 04:24.17 | wr | awal1, is the wiki right? |
| 04:24.49 | awal1 | the wiki right? |
| 04:25.59 | awal1 | the collaborator wrote the tutorial in a wrong way |
| 04:26.19 | *** join/#debian dreamon_ (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) |
| 04:26.34 | *** join/#debian grobi (~rtng@x5ce299e0.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 04:27.36 | awal1 | in that time i was a newbie and i just followed that , I wanted to install debian wheezy (i think) but I ended with skolelinux |
| 04:27.49 | *** join/#debian Sryvk (~sryvk@89.17.157.7) |
| 04:27.57 | awal1 | you think it is what an end user , a newbie wants? |
| 04:28.08 | awal1 | !skolelinux |
| 04:28.09 | dpkg | Skolelinux is a Debian Pure <Blend> produced by the <Debian Edu> project, see http://www.skolelinux.org/ for more details. For user/admin support, join #skolelinux on irc.oftc.net. |
| 04:28.22 | n4dir | probably it can be enhanced: "if you want to ... then do ... but you don't want that |
| 04:29.28 | awal1 | my wheezy minimal install became almost 7 go :D |
| 04:29.45 | awal1 | that is not correct wr :P |
| 04:30.42 | *** join/#debian diogenes_ (~diogenes_@host-static-188-215-237-239.moldtelecom.md) |
| 04:31.22 | wr | awal1, true but only for you :P |
| 04:31.39 | *** join/#debian xcm (~xcm@ipa210.225.tellas.gr) |
| 04:31.45 | wr | seems a nice debian https://devuan.org/ |
| 04:32.22 | awal1 | so happy here with my original debian; no need of devuan :P |
| 04:35.47 | *** join/#debian Workbench (~quassel@wnpgmb0311w-ds01-179-225.dynamic.bellmts.net) |
| 04:35.53 | *** join/#debian kampsun (~hendrik@unaffiliated/kampsun) |
| 04:36.56 | *** join/#debian martian67 (~martian67@about/linux/regular/martian67) |
| 04:41.59 | *** join/#debian rnmhdn (~rnmhdn@unaffiliated/rnmhdn) |
| 04:46.29 | *** join/#debian smolboye (~smolboye@27.4.12.172) |
| 04:46.59 | *** join/#debian n4dir_ (~n4dir@mue-88-130-56-190.dsl.tropolys.de) |
| 04:48.04 | *** join/#debian n4dir_ (~n4dir@mue-88-130-56-190.dsl.tropolys.de) |
| 04:50.28 | *** join/#debian pi_ (~pi@CPEac202ebc5893-CMac202ebc5890.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 04:51.07 | *** join/#debian n4dir (~n4dir@mue-88-130-56-190.dsl.tropolys.de) |
| 04:51.49 | *** join/#debian Sulak (~Sulak@unaffiliated/sulak) |
| 04:58.50 | *** join/#debian iViLe (~bob@c110-22-77-178.chirn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 04:59.37 | *** join/#debian morphis (~morphis@p5DCC3067.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 04:59.42 | *** join/#debian inaki (~inaki@181.31.108.84) |
| 05:00.07 | *** join/#debian pringau (~pringau@gateway/tor-sasl/pringau) |
| 05:00.32 | *** join/#debian AgentOak (~AgentOak@hestia.kreyhost.net) |
| 05:01.27 | *** join/#debian pvoigt_ (~Linux@unaffiliated/pvoigt) |
| 05:04.59 | *** join/#debian trytus (c12ebbfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.46.187.252) |
| 05:05.36 | *** join/#debian nix64bit (~Thunderbi@197.155.4.163) |
| 05:07.16 | *** join/#debian lanelet (~lanelet@cpe-174-109-244-56.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 05:07.17 | *** join/#debian martian67 (~martian67@about/linux/regular/martian67) |
| 05:07.56 | *** join/#debian jon_x1111115 (~jon_x@190.148.39.198) |
| 05:09.41 | *** join/#debian armando (~armando@c-67-169-114-35.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 05:12.47 | *** join/#debian Kevlar_Noir (~lexou@73.70.197.77.rev.sfr.net) |
| 05:17.42 | *** join/#debian silverwhitefish (~hidden@35.137.126.252) |
| 05:17.58 | *** join/#debian Gyro (~user@x4dbb0f86.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 05:19.08 | *** join/#debian MNTS (~MNTS@86.100.69.46) |
| 05:19.09 | *** join/#debian purpleunicorn (~purpleuni@unaffiliated/purpleunicorn) |
| 05:19.37 | *** join/#debian llucenic (~Thunderbi@static-dsl-222.87-197-153.telecom.sk) |
| 05:19.52 | *** join/#debian MNTS_ (~MNTS@md-188-69-198-35.omni.lt) |
| 05:22.59 | *** join/#debian iflema (~ian@unaffiliated/iflema) |
| 05:23.59 | *** join/#debian BlueByte (~walther@grimbart-vdsl.blackx.net) |
| 05:24.02 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1312] by debhelper |
| 05:24.34 | *** join/#debian jon_x1111115 (~jon_x@190.148.39.11) |
| 05:24.59 | *** join/#debian thunderrd (~thunderrd@110.78.148.121) |
| 05:25.34 | *** join/#debian pingfloyd (~pingfloyd@unaffiliated/pingfloyd) |
| 05:26.46 | *** join/#debian Avanthas (~avanthas@186.156.237.91) |
| 05:27.55 | *** join/#debian James8 (~James8@167-179-183-41.a7b3b7.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net) |
| 05:28.17 | *** join/#debian amosbird (~amosbird@123.206.66.49) |
| 05:29.14 | *** join/#debian booyah (~bb@193.25.1.157) |
| 05:30.36 | *** join/#debian amosbird (~amosbird@123.206.66.49) |
| 05:32.13 | *** join/#debian Avanthas (~avanthas@dvc-91-237-156-186.movil.vtr.net) |
| 05:32.34 | *** join/#debian Ericounet (~Eric@2a01:e0a:54:c220:b078:5363:6c4a:e2dd) |
| 05:32.36 | *** join/#debian super_gollum (~ich@ip-95-223-32-33.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de) |
| 05:36.14 | *** join/#debian Espopore (~Espopore@178.90.32.214) |
| 05:38.41 | *** join/#debian amosbird (~amosbird@123.206.66.49) |
| 05:42.49 | *** join/#debian jon_x1111115 (~jon_x@45.5.119.58) |
| 05:43.37 | *** join/#debian Haohmaru (~Haohmaru@195.24.53.110) |
| 05:46.18 | *** join/#debian kampsun (~hendrik@unaffiliated/kampsun) |
| 05:47.57 | *** join/#debian amosbird (~amosbird@123.206.66.49) |
| 05:49.03 | *** join/#debian amosbird (~amosbird@123.206.66.49) |
| 05:51.20 | *** join/#debian Ilyas (uid43013@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gpwcmkstzzkpyzqv) |
| 05:51.34 | *** join/#debian amosbird (~amosbird@123.206.66.49) |
| 05:53.16 | wr | how can i disable the pc speaker beep on debian? |
| 05:53.49 | *** join/#debian angerctl (~Namarrgon@archlinux/op/namarrgon) |
| 05:56.55 | *** join/#debian amosbird (~amosbird@123.206.66.49) |
| 05:57.27 | n4dir | modprobe -r pcspkr; or similar (if wrong, just use the web) |
| 05:57.52 | *** join/#debian Sleepy63 (~Sleepy63@47.185.207.134) |
| 05:58.12 | *** join/#debian n_1-c_k (~nick@2a02:8010:63a6::70) |
| 05:59.51 | *** join/#debian amosbird (~amosbird@123.206.66.49) |
| 06:02.51 | *** join/#debian cdown (~cdown@48.215.broadband18.iol.cz) |
| 06:02.56 | *** join/#debian amosbird (~amosbird@123.206.66.49) |
| 06:04.11 | *** join/#debian xcm (~xcm@ipa210.225.tellas.gr) |
| 06:04.53 | *** join/#debian madage (~madage@gateway/tor-sasl/madage) |
| 06:06.39 | *** join/#debian pax (~Thunderbi@87.18.38.50) |
| 06:08.35 | *** join/#debian funcrypto (~user@190.10.8.9) |
| 06:10.12 | *** join/#debian ExploitedKernel (~pi@2607:fea8:e31f:feb3::c) |
| 06:10.57 | *** join/#debian wr (~wr@gateway/tor-sasl/wr) |
| 06:11.23 | *** join/#debian Ricardo__ (~rick@2804:14d:4c8f:979a::1) |
| 06:11.23 | *** join/#debian Ricardo__ (~rick@unaffiliated/ricardo--/x-7903455) |
| 06:12.50 | *** join/#debian pvdp (~pvdp@120.146.47.73) |
| 06:13.33 | *** join/#debian dragula (~dragula@117.242.86.139) |
| 06:13.53 | *** join/#debian TriWave (~LFO@173.239.195.35) |
| 06:15.32 | *** join/#debian jamse (~jamse@173-25-83-78.client.mchsi.com) |
| 06:18.35 | *** part/#debian dragula (~dragula@117.242.86.139) |
| 06:19.23 | *** join/#debian kampsun (~hendrik@unaffiliated/kampsun) |
| 06:22.52 | *** join/#debian dreamon (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) |
| 06:23.26 | *** join/#debian knidos (~knidos@88.253.177.206) |
| 06:24.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1320] by debhelper |
| 06:26.13 | *** join/#debian kampsun (~hendrik@unaffiliated/kampsun) |
| 06:26.33 | *** join/#debian HerbY_NL2 (~HerbY_NL2@2001:67c:2564:518:4d44:6638:d8e9:a2d9) |
| 06:28.33 | *** join/#debian thunderrd_ (~thunderrd@110.78.148.121) |
| 06:30.00 | *** join/#debian thunderrd (~thunderrd@110.78.148.121) |
| 06:30.00 | *** join/#debian tralala (~user@unaffiliated/tralala) |
| 06:30.08 | *** join/#debian ikarosuusi (~karosin@mobile-access-5d6a65-187.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 06:32.35 | *** join/#debian CyberManifest (~CyberMani@r74-192-53-183.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net) |
| 06:34.05 | *** join/#debian pringau (~pringau@gateway/tor-sasl/pringau) |
| 06:34.08 | *** join/#debian thunderrd (~thunderrd@110.78.148.121) |
| 06:34.45 | *** join/#debian starz0r (~star@c-76-16-146-255.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 06:36.44 | *** join/#debian jmarsac (~jmarsac@lfbn-1-7129-38.w90-116.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 06:43.52 | *** join/#debian P1ersson (~P1ersson@Kenta.biotech.kth.se) |
| 06:44.05 | *** join/#debian martian67 (~martian67@about/linux/regular/martian67) |
| 06:44.40 | *** join/#debian N1N1032 (~falken@lfbn-mon-1-405-230.w86-193.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 06:45.46 | *** join/#debian Raed|Laptop (~Raed@2601:18c:8600:9be:3452:83e3:1ee5:7f71) |
| 06:46.02 | *** join/#debian purpleunicorn (~purpleuni@unaffiliated/purpleunicorn) |
| 06:47.30 | *** join/#debian enoq (~enoq@2a02:8388:6a87:b080:649f:9456:c1b1:28e4) |
| 06:49.00 | *** join/#debian chele (~chele@2a02:8106:1:f900:faca:b8ff:fe2f:8499) |
| 06:50.01 | *** join/#debian rnmhdn (~rnmhdn@unaffiliated/rnmhdn) |
| 06:50.04 | *** join/#debian _joes_ (~quassel@cpc1-watf9-0-0-cust236.watf.cable.ntl.com) |
| 06:53.01 | *** join/#debian brondif (~brondif@dgd4ywyfwlxw---tr7zvt-3.rev.dnainternet.fi) |
| 06:54.38 | *** join/#debian encod3 (~encod3@89.20.162.146.static.ef-service.nl) |
| 06:55.49 | *** join/#debian oish (~charlie@159.22.169.217.in-addr.arpa) |
| 06:56.49 | *** join/#debian Rothgar (~admin@ppp201-15.static.internode.on.net) |
| 06:57.13 | *** join/#debian Fusl (~fusl@opennic/fusl) |
| 06:57.45 | dka | How can I allow a group of user to mount the network drive without being root or in sudo group ? If I do with my user the mount command I have : `mount: only root can use "--options" option` |
| 07:00.01 | *** join/#debian Penguin_ (~xwQ5kwYl6@our.systems.are.full.of.penguins.at.penguinsystems.net) |
| 07:01.03 | *** join/#debian HauM1 (~HauM1@login.univie.ac.at) |
| 07:01.58 | *** join/#debian slv (~slv@209.6.49.147) |
| 07:02.44 | *** join/#debian JustASlacker (~JustASlac@p200300C6AF131F009188E7FED4E75AB2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 07:03.39 | *** join/#debian enoq (~enoq@80-110-95-222.cgn.dynamic.surfer.at) |
| 07:04.32 | *** join/#debian yonder (~yonder@unaffiliated/yonder) |
| 07:07.40 | *** join/#debian emrullah (~emrullah@78.183.226.172) |
| 07:07.40 | *** join/#debian clemens3_ (~clemens@mx.eniso-partners.com) |
| 07:09.34 | *** join/#debian Tempesta (Tempesta@unaffiliated/tempesta) |
| 07:11.34 | *** join/#debian TomyWork (~tomy@82.194.113.100) |
| 07:12.35 | *** join/#debian patterson_ (~patterson@98.210.76.223) |
| 07:12.57 | *** join/#debian Night-Shade (~TimF@2a02:8109:9a80:6d80:1ff:3e3f:fc0:1ee3) |
| 07:13.23 | *** join/#debian oish (~charlie@159.22.169.217.in-addr.arpa) |
| 07:13.54 | *** join/#debian smolboye (~smolboye@27.4.12.172) |
| 07:14.02 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1327] by debhelper |
| 07:15.39 | *** join/#debian jmarsac (~jmarsac@lfbn-1-7129-38.w90-116.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 07:17.42 | *** join/#debian zer0_her0 (~zer@cti8166.cti.gr) |
| 07:18.03 | *** join/#debian selroc (~selroc@151-0-179-18.ip282.fastwebnet.it) |
| 07:19.30 | *** join/#debian purpleunicorn (~purpleuni@unaffiliated/purpleunicorn) |
| 07:20.12 | *** join/#debian tagomago (~tagomago@static-15-170-229-77.ipcom.comunitel.net) |
| 07:23.07 | *** join/#debian coolmadmax (~coolmadma@c210-49-84-69.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 07:24.46 | *** join/#debian thecoffemaker (~thecoffem@unaffiliated/thecoffemaker) |
| 07:25.55 | *** join/#debian Haudegen (~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at) |
| 07:26.32 | *** join/#debian neibo (~bingen@169.pool85-61-151.dynamic.orange.es) |
| 07:30.26 | *** join/#debian bvdk (~bvdkfreen@91.183.197.222) |
| 07:32.13 | *** join/#debian well_laid_lawn (~Jean-luc@210.185.74.194) |
| 07:33.02 | *** join/#debian ledeni (~ledeni@c210-49-84-69.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 07:34.17 | *** join/#debian CyberManifest (~CyberMani@r74-192-53-183.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net) |
| 07:35.42 | *** join/#debian kallesbar (~kallesbar@95.175.104.70) |
| 07:36.30 | *** join/#debian Ericounet (~Eric@2a01:e0a:54:c220:bced:cd66:76b3:6013) |
| 07:36.36 | martian67 | you cant dka |
| 07:36.43 | martian67 | err never mind wrong channel |
| 07:39.44 | *** join/#debian drzacek (~drzacek@b941c009.business.dg-w.de) |
| 07:40.29 | *** join/#debian Pjusur (~Pjusur@188.95.241.209) |
| 07:40.29 | *** join/#debian ledeni (~ledeni@c210-49-84-69.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 07:40.47 | *** part/#debian brondif (~brondif@dgd4ywyfwlxw---tr7zvt-3.rev.dnainternet.fi) |
| 07:41.01 | *** join/#debian bozza (~bozza@unaffiliated/bozza) |
| 07:42.00 | *** join/#debian bertbob (~bertbob@reriding.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 07:42.44 | *** join/#debian Ryushin (chris@2001:470:4b:38f:777::8729) |
| 07:43.11 | *** join/#debian diogenes_ (~diogenes_@host-static-93-116-130-26.moldtelecom.md) |
| 07:44.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1334] by debhelper |
| 07:48.18 | *** join/#debian MNTS (~MNTS@md-188-69-198-35.omni.lt) |
| 07:48.55 | *** join/#debian rgr_DUP (~user@ip-109-41-65-243.web.vodafone.de) |
| 07:49.29 | *** join/#debian rizzo (~RizzoTheR@37.138.181.9) |
| 07:52.45 | *** join/#debian sikun (~David@core-lnk-2.lnk1.cktech.io) |
| 07:52.59 | *** join/#debian emrullah (~emrullah@78.183.226.172) |
| 07:54.05 | *** join/#debian karakedi (~eAC53C340@46.104.20.190) |
| 07:54.06 | *** join/#debian karakedi (~eAC53C340@unaffiliated/orphan) |
| 07:54.18 | *** join/#debian msimpson (~msimpson@178-23-128-190.host.as51043.net) |
| 07:56.30 | *** join/#debian AimHere (~David@cpc132308-sgyl43-2-0-cust150.know.cable.virginm.net) |
| 07:56.48 | *** join/#debian n4dir (~n4dir@mue-88-130-56-190.dsl.tropolys.de) |
| 08:00.25 | *** join/#debian bertbob (~bertbob@reriding.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 08:00.39 | *** join/#debian linuxconformer (b99f9d16@185.159.157.22) |
| 08:00.56 | linuxconformer | guys i deleted /etc/nginx, and reinstalled, but now /etc/nginx doesn't exist |
| 08:01.08 | linuxconformer | how do i install them again? |
| 08:01.33 | *** join/#debian abff (~abff@S010600fc8d95f393.vc.shawcable.net) |
| 08:02.26 | *** join/#debian rgr_DUP (~user@ip-109-41-65-243.web.vodafone.de) |
| 08:02.58 | kopper | Did you purge+install the nginx or just reinstall it? |
| 08:03.25 | linuxconformer | kopper: all i did sudo rm -r /etc/nginx, then apt remove nginx, then apt install nginx |
| 08:03.54 | kopper | Try apt purge nginx and apt install nginx |
| 08:04.20 | *** join/#debian RomainD (~RomainD@93.17.236.2) |
| 08:04.40 | linuxconformer | thanks man |
| 08:04.56 | linuxconformer | kopper: oh that didn't work |
| 08:05.12 | *** join/#debian rgr (~user@ip-109-41-65-243.web.vodafone.de) |
| 08:05.21 | *** join/#debian bvdk (~bvdkfreen@91.183.197.222) |
| 08:05.28 | *** join/#debian BeerHall (~Thunderbi@222.95.2.190) |
| 08:06.37 | linuxconformer | got it |
| 08:07.28 | kopper | linuxconformer: Yeah you needed to purge nginx-common and nginx-full as well |
| 08:07.35 | kopper | Or that worked for me atleast |
| 08:08.45 | *** join/#debian schu-r (~Thunderbi@82-149-107-2.wco.wellcom.at) |
| 08:09.21 | *** join/#debian turambar (~turambar@ip-109-91-251-22.hsi12.unitymediagroup.de) |
| 08:09.51 | *** join/#debian colttt (~quassel@dynamic.aei.mpg.de) |
| 08:10.25 | turambar | hi. I'd like to know what the plan is with php and debian stretch. Stretch only comes with php 7.0 which is end of support by 3rd of December this year and Buster will release next year... |
| 08:10.26 | *** join/#debian woenx (5f1500b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.21.0.183) |
| 08:11.13 | woenx | Hi. I upgraded to debian jessie in an old laptop. Its graphics card is very old, an nvidia NV11M Geforce2 Go |
| 08:11.19 | turambar | So for several months there is no secure php version officially available via debian packages? |
| 08:11.25 | *** join/#debian anzipex (~anzipex@94.79.47.205) |
| 08:11.50 | woenx | Now the pictures doesn't take up all the screen (there are big vertical and horizontal bars). I tried installing the drivers, but they do not seem to be in the repository |
| 08:12.42 | *** join/#debian msimpson (~msimpson@178-23-128-190.host.as51043.net) |
| 08:12.53 | woenx | runnin nvidia-detect it says that I need legacy drivers that are no longer in the repository |
| 08:12.55 | woenx | what could I do? |
| 08:13.14 | linuxconformer | kopper: yeah that was it :P |
| 08:13.30 | turambar | woenx: which driver do you use? did you try nouveau? nv? do you really need the official driver? |
| 08:13.50 | woenx | I don't mind the driver as long as I get the correct resolution on the screen |
| 08:14.13 | woenx | I'm currently installing nvidia-xconfig, to see if I can configure anything with the 340 legacy drivers |
| 08:15.19 | *** join/#debian airwind (~belovent@user149.c3.hrastnik.kabelnet.net) |
| 08:16.09 | *** join/#debian woshty (~woshty@unaffiliated/woshty) |
| 08:17.50 | woenx | great, now the x server doesn't start u_u' |
| 08:19.12 | turambar | woenx: I would try nouveau if I was you |
| 08:19.37 | woenx | how can I install it? |
| 08:20.05 | *** join/#debian karakedi (~eAC53C340@46.104.20.190) |
| 08:20.05 | *** join/#debian karakedi (~eAC53C340@unaffiliated/orphan) |
| 08:20.20 | turambar | it's in the kernel itself :) |
| 08:20.48 | woenx | ah |
| 08:20.52 | woenx | how can I activate it then? |
| 08:21.02 | *** join/#debian m14ed (~live@c-73-123-204-159.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 08:22.17 | *** part/#debian samael (~earendil@multivac.valis-e.com) |
| 08:22.32 | *** join/#debian jon_x1111115 (~jon_x@190.148.39.198) |
| 08:23.40 | woenx | grr, now I don't have a graphical interface |
| 08:23.43 | woenx | and no internet, great |
| 08:24.11 | *** join/#debian cybercrypto (~cybercryp@177.183.74.95) |
| 08:24.15 | *** join/#debian neo4 (~Thunderbi@55-136-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net) |
| 08:24.30 | *** join/#debian phd (~vjetar@141-136-137-168.dsl.iskon.hr) |
| 08:24.44 | turambar | I didn't do it myself but usually you adjust xorg.conf accordingly in the driver section |
| 08:26.18 | woenx | aha |
| 08:26.21 | woenx | let me reboot again... |
| 08:26.27 | turambar | make sure you have xserver-xorg-video-nouveau installed |
| 08:27.47 | *** join/#debian mibo (~mibo@194.213.207.197) |
| 08:28.56 | *** join/#debian rgr (~user@ip-109-41-65-243.web.vodafone.de) |
| 08:29.59 | woenx | ok |
| 08:32.22 | dka | How can I mount a network samba drive as a non root user on Debian Linux? |
| 08:32.49 | *** join/#debian Ryushin (chris@2001:470:4134:10::1002) |
| 08:34.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1340] by debhelper |
| 08:35.18 | *** join/#debian Robin_Anatoscope (~robs@bce1.fw1.capo.montpellier-agglo.com) |
| 08:37.01 | *** join/#debian _joes_ (~quassel@cpc1-watf9-0-0-cust236.watf.cable.ntl.com) |
| 08:37.57 | woenx | is it normal that the command startx doesn't exist? |
| 08:38.05 | *** join/#debian cdown (~cdown@48.215.broadband18.iol.cz) |
| 08:38.19 | *** join/#debian brokencycle (~brokencyc@p200300F07BD15500021B21FFFE50034D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 08:39.35 | woenx | oh, I had to modprobe nouveau first |
| 08:41.13 | *** join/#debian BCMM (~BCMM@unaffiliated/bcmm) |
| 08:43.24 | woenx | Done! it turns out the nouveau driver was blacklisted, so it didn't start at boot |
| 08:43.29 | woenx | now I get the full resolution :) |
| 08:43.51 | *** join/#debian stefanc_diff (~stefanc_d@193.105.212.250) |
| 08:43.56 | woenx | let's reboot again... |
| 08:45.30 | *** join/#debian xcm (~xcm@ipa210.225.tellas.gr) |
| 08:45.42 | *** join/#debian aielima (~aielima@gateway/tor-sasl/aielima) |
| 08:46.02 | *** join/#debian Robin_Anatoscope (~robs@bce1.fw1.capo.montpellier-agglo.com) |
| 08:47.14 | woenx | now gdm doesn't start... |
| 08:48.03 | *** join/#debian Slashman (~Slash@cosium-152-18.fib.nerim.net) |
| 08:50.37 | *** join/#debian nix64bit (~Thunderbi@197.155.4.163) |
| 08:52.20 | *** join/#debian bolovanos (~bolovanos@91.201.22.5) |
| 08:53.17 | *** part/#debian linuxconformer (b99f9d16@185.159.157.22) |
| 08:54.50 | *** join/#debian Mottengrotte (~Mottengro@195.50.185.2) |
| 08:55.07 | *** join/#debian f10 (~flo@ip5b410c40.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) |
| 08:55.08 | *** join/#debian franklyundead (~franklyun@94.247.2.49) |
| 08:55.35 | *** join/#debian chrissl (~chris@84-115-13-221.cable.dynamic.surfer.at) |
| 08:58.27 | *** join/#debian rgr (~user@ip-109-41-65-243.web.vodafone.de) |
| 08:59.39 | *** join/#debian [bma] (~bma]@cpc114424-sout9-2-0-cust1628.20-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 09:03.18 | *** join/#debian pi2 (~pi@171.113.197.154) |
| 09:04.14 | *** join/#debian colttt (~quassel@dynamic.aei.mpg.de) |
| 09:05.14 | *** join/#debian Aziroshin (~quassel@11.29.150.83.ftth.ewwwb.as8758.net) |
| 09:05.52 | *** join/#debian stefanc_diff (~stefanc_d@193.105.212.250) |
| 09:07.31 | *** join/#debian neibo (~bingen@169.pool85-61-151.dynamic.orange.es) |
| 09:08.22 | turambar | woenx: what do the logs say? |
| 09:08.40 | woenx | I don't know, I had to blacklist nouveau again in order to get an X server again |
| 09:08.45 | woenx | otherwise, gdm didn't appear |
| 09:08.58 | woenx | but now the picture doesn't fill the screen |
| 09:09.04 | woenx | (as it happened initially) |
| 09:09.10 | woenx | so i'm sat the starting point again |
| 09:09.48 | *** join/#debian CyberManifest (~CyberMani@r74-192-53-183.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net) |
| 09:10.58 | woenx | it's a 15 year old laptop with a 1600x1200 resolution |
| 09:11.05 | woenx | (which is quite good) |
| 09:11.32 | woenx | but I don't know how to change the current resolution... |
| 09:12.28 | woenx | (now it's showing 1024x768) |
| 09:14.17 | turambar | what does xrandr say? which driver are you currently using? |
| 09:14.31 | *** join/#debian Elirips (~Elirips@242.109.22.178.ftth.as8758.net) |
| 09:17.21 | *** join/#debian _ADN_ (~username@5.148.34.186) |
| 09:17.56 | *** join/#debian catsup (~d@ps38852.dreamhost.com) |
| 09:18.56 | *** join/#debian catsup (d@ps38852.dreamhost.com) |
| 09:24.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1331] by debhelper |
| 09:25.40 | *** join/#debian smolboye (~smolboye@27.4.12.172) |
| 09:28.12 | *** join/#debian lucad111 (~lucad111@linaro/lucad111) |
| 09:28.52 | *** join/#debian Mazhive_one (~Mazhive@199.38.233.161) |
| 09:28.59 | *** join/#debian _joes_ (~quassel@cpc1-watf9-0-0-cust236.watf.cable.ntl.com) |
| 09:30.54 | *** join/#debian [bma] (~bma]@cpc114424-sout9-2-0-cust1628.20-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 09:31.01 | *** join/#debian Sabotend_ (~Sabotende@unaffiliated/sabotender) |
| 09:32.33 | *** join/#debian citypw (~citypw@113.255.162.224) |
| 09:32.46 | *** join/#debian Guest98544 (~root@185.112.32.196) |
| 09:33.50 | *** join/#debian oish (~charlie@host81-130-206-144.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 09:33.57 | *** join/#debian hjubal (~hjubal@unaffiliated/hjubal) |
| 09:34.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1337] by debhelper |
| 09:35.03 | *** join/#debian Sabotender (~Sabotende@unaffiliated/sabotender) |
| 09:35.41 | *** join/#debian linuxconformer (b99f9d16@185.159.157.22) |
| 09:36.00 | linuxconformer | guys i can't kill the process created by "SCREEN -A -m -d -S some-process my-command" |
| 09:36.07 | linuxconformer | should this be happening? |
| 09:36.54 | *** join/#debian xcm (~xcm@ipa210.225.tellas.gr) |
| 09:37.01 | Haohmaru | does it happen to be ran by a user with moar privileges than the privileges you got when you try to kill it? |
| 09:37.11 | *** join/#debian henbaka4 (5fd8b023@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.216.176.35) |
| 09:37.45 | *** join/#debian root_ (~root@185.112.32.196) |
| 09:39.31 | *** join/#debian root_ (~root@185.112.32.196) |
| 09:43.15 | *** join/#debian Barrabas (~FI@191.115.16.238) |
| 09:43.45 | *** join/#debian veek (~veek@unaffiliated/veek) |
| 09:43.46 | *** join/#debian [bma] (~bma]@cpc114424-sout9-2-0-cust1628.20-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 09:44.26 | *** join/#debian NetTerminalGene (~NetTermin@unaffiliated/dontknow) |
| 09:45.08 | veek | how do i stop the debian mailinglist emails without unsubscribing (Xorg/mailman) has this feature |
| 09:45.23 | *** join/#debian scream (~scream@unaffiliated/scream) |
| 09:45.42 | *** join/#debian martian67 (~martian67@about/linux/regular/martian67) |
| 09:45.49 | selckin | so you can still send? |
| 09:45.54 | veek | yep |
| 09:46.03 | *** join/#debian nix64bit (~Thunderbi@197.155.4.163) |
| 09:46.37 | veek | and not put my gmail under undue stress :p |
| 09:47.18 | selckin | gmail can handle it, maybe make a filter to auto archive/delete them |
| 09:49.01 | *** join/#debian jubo2 (~juboxi@wikipedia/jukeboksi) |
| 09:49.04 | veek | seems wasteful i'll never read any of it.. |
| 09:49.13 | veek | but with no other option.. :) |
| 09:49.25 | selckin | you give google enough privacy in return |
| 09:50.12 | *** join/#debian Aussie_matt (~quassel@2001:8003:a759:be00:222:15ff:fe99:bafd) |
| 09:53.36 | veek | is there a way to preseed CDROM from USB? |
| 09:55.23 | *** join/#debian Robin_Anatoscope (~robs@bce1.fw1.capo.montpellier-agglo.com) |
| 09:55.56 | *** join/#debian _joes_ (~quassel@cpc1-watf9-0-0-cust236.watf.cable.ntl.com) |
| 09:59.07 | *** join/#debian RomainD (~RomainD@vpn.c-s.fr) |
| 09:59.49 | *** part/#debian pi2 (~pi@171.113.197.154) |
| 10:01.37 | *** join/#debian Cecil (~cecil@011-122-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl) |
| 10:02.18 | *** join/#debian kampsun (~hendrik@unaffiliated/kampsun) |
| 10:02.31 | *** join/#debian bozza (~bozza@2a02:908:696:74a0:c9b:7673:d1cc:66b0) |
| 10:02.31 | *** join/#debian bozza (~bozza@unaffiliated/bozza) |
| 10:04.26 | *** join/#debian bozza_ (~bozza@5.146.199.197) |
| 10:06.03 | *** join/#debian Mottengrotte (~Mottengro@195.50.185.2) |
| 10:06.41 | *** join/#debian n_1-c_k (~nick@2a02:8010:63a6::70) |
| 10:07.21 | *** join/#debian _joes_ (~quassel@cpc1-watf9-0-0-cust236.watf.cable.ntl.com) |
| 10:07.37 | *** part/#debian linuxconformer (b99f9d16@185.159.157.22) |
| 10:08.04 | *** join/#debian mrig (~mrig@unaffiliated/mrig) |
| 10:08.42 | *** join/#debian versuchsanstalt (5abb3b8d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.187.59.141) |
| 10:08.56 | *** join/#debian alexandros_c (~alexandro@unaffiliated/alexandros-c/x-1684531) |
| 10:10.13 | *** join/#debian Ticho (~Ticho@unaffiliated/ticho) |
| 10:11.22 | *** join/#debian dselect (~dselect@unaffiliated/themill/bot/dselect) |
| 10:14.53 | *** join/#debian Ticho_ (~Ticho@unaffiliated/ticho) |
| 10:15.47 | *** join/#debian monksam (~monksam@gateway/tor-sasl/monksam) |
| 10:16.29 | *** join/#debian flj (~harrr@0148800102.0.fullrate.ninja) |
| 10:18.32 | *** join/#debian schu-r (~Thunderbi@82-149-107-2.wco.wellcom.at) |
| 10:19.34 | *** join/#debian roshanavand (~roshanava@194-5-196-88.sta.estpak.ee) |
| 10:19.47 | *** join/#debian HerbY_NL2 (~HerbY_NL2@2001:67c:2564:518:c5de:7f2a:d187:1982) |
| 10:19.47 | flj | which debian 64bit x86 dvd iso version is the oldest you can download? Where do you do you download it? |
| 10:21.25 | *** join/#debian rofl__ (~rofl@2603:3016:1e89:8000:282e:b7ef:6add:301) |
| 10:21.38 | veek | i guess you could follow the hashes.. one sec while i ferret |
| 10:23.50 | *** join/#debian Neo_Chen (~Neo_Chen@unaffiliated/neo-chen/x-4242141) |
| 10:24.07 | themill | !cd archive |
| 10:24.07 | dpkg | A repository for CD images of older Debian releases is at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 10:24.24 | *** join/#debian schu-r (~Thunderbi@82-149-107-2.wco.wellcom.at) |
| 10:25.37 | *** join/#debian AciD` (~fu@crediz.io) |
| 10:25.37 | *** join/#debian AciD` (~fu@unaffiliated/acid/x-7368316) |
| 10:26.14 | veek | ah yep phew reddit has no frigging search of old posts |
| 10:26.59 | *** join/#debian Gasoline (~Nope@unaffiliated/gasoline) |
| 10:27.06 | *** join/#debian Essadon (~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 10:29.29 | *** join/#debian fedorafan (~fedorafan@unaffiliated/fedorafan) |
| 10:32.31 | *** join/#debian mzf (~fakhraee@unaffiliated/mzf) |
| 10:32.55 | *** join/#debian handsome_feng (~handsome_@218.76.23.26) |
| 10:33.46 | *** join/#debian karakedi (~eAC53C340@unaffiliated/orphan) |
| 10:34.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1343] by debhelper |
| 10:34.43 | *** join/#debian tradar (~tradar@gateway/tor-sasl/tradar) |
| 10:39.18 | *** join/#debian mort (~mort96@snow/mort96) |
| 10:41.33 | *** join/#debian The_Loko (~The_Loko@61.red-83-56-172.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) |
| 10:44.07 | *** join/#debian HugsWontletgo (~HugsWontl@212.3.196.71) |
| 10:44.51 | *** join/#debian mzf (~fakhraee@unaffiliated/mzf) |
| 10:46.52 | *** join/#debian GhostInTheShell (~melkor@chaosgate.angband.eu) |
| 10:47.32 | flj | then the olderst version would be amd64 debian 5.0.10 dvd iso? Do you think the iso will install on an about 10 years old computer? |
| 10:47.41 | *** join/#debian vermon (~vermon@78.11.4.178) |
| 10:48.20 | *** join/#debian lankanmon (~LKNnet@CPE64777d632383-CM64777d632380.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 10:49.06 | *** join/#debian Raed|Laptop (~Raed@2601:18c:8600:9be:3452:83e3:1ee5:7f71) |
| 10:49.11 | *** join/#debian sikun (~David@h62.148.16.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) |
| 10:50.34 | *** join/#debian p3rror (~p3rror@105.158.148.12) |
| 10:50.41 | *** join/#debian f4cl3y (~f4cl3y@unaffiliated/f4cl3y) |
| 10:53.05 | *** join/#debian HarveyPwca (~HarveyPwc@99-89-221-139.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 10:54.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1350] by debhelper |
| 10:55.11 | *** join/#debian l1nuxg33k (uid322116@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vvvjjznkcigsaudq) |
| 10:56.15 | *** join/#debian iflema (~ian@unaffiliated/iflema) |
| 10:57.51 | *** join/#debian tikun (~David@50.96.4.230) |
| 11:00.39 | *** join/#debian HerbY_NL2 (~HerbY_NL2@2001:67c:2564:518:c5de:7f2a:d187:1982) |
| 11:01.03 | *** join/#debian iflema (~ian@unaffiliated/iflema) |
| 11:02.09 | *** join/#debian monksam (~monksam@gateway/tor-sasl/monksam) |
| 11:02.11 | *** join/#debian Pjusur1 (~Pjusur@188.95.241.209) |
| 11:05.19 | *** join/#debian dpkg (~dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg) |
| 11:05.56 | *** join/#debian P1ersson (~P1ersson@130.237.79.156) |
| 11:06.27 | *** join/#debian tikund (~David@core-lnk-2.lnk1.cktech.io) |
| 11:06.31 | *** join/#debian pax (~Thunderbi@87.18.38.50) |
| 11:07.15 | *** join/#debian terminalator (terminalat@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/terminalator) |
| 11:07.55 | *** join/#debian bites (~bites@unaffiliated/bites) |
| 11:08.31 | BCMM | flj: are you looking for an old version specifically so that you can use an old computer? |
| 11:09.28 | *** join/#debian mrig (~mrig@unaffiliated/mrig) |
| 11:09.44 | *** join/#debian krogan (~krogan@gam80-1-78-234-234-27.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 11:09.50 | BCMM | because unless it's a 586 or something, the latest debian ought to work on it |
| 11:10.33 | *** join/#debian Brigo (~Brigo@249.59.27.77.dynamic.reverse-mundo-r.com) |
| 11:11.16 | Gasoline | I have 9.5 installed on a 17 year old machine |
| 11:11.19 | Gasoline | runs great |
| 11:11.37 | *** join/#debian mzf (~fakhraee@unaffiliated/mzf) |
| 11:12.06 | Gasoline | I am running cbpp though |
| 11:12.11 | Gasoline | with openbox |
| 11:13.09 | *** join/#debian sikun (~David@50.96.6.67) |
| 11:13.56 | flj | no, I have an old usb device which does not run on debian 9 if I do not install non free firmware. Which I want to avoid. Someone said the usb device ran on debian 3. I cannot find a debian 3 dvd iso. Therefore I will test debian 5 main. If the usb device runs. Then I know at some point there was a free software firmware. |
| 11:14.45 | flj | can you install debian 5.0.10 from an usb stick? |
| 11:15.08 | *** join/#debian inch (mijutu@ellipsis.utu.fi) |
| 11:15.24 | *** join/#debian nwe_ (~nwe@144.63.247.7) |
| 11:20.13 | *** join/#debian tikun (~David@h35.143.23.98.static.ip.windstream.net) |
| 11:21.06 | BCMM | flj: can you boot your old computer from a USB stick? |
| 11:21.37 | flj | yes. I also have a new computer. |
| 11:21.43 | BCMM | also, i find it unlikely that there is a usb device that needs firmware, but only on some versions of linux. are you familiar with the difference between drivers and firmware? |
| 11:22.53 | flj | probably not. The piece of software I have to add to debian is called firmware by the provider. |
| 11:23.28 | BCMM | "probably not" to which bit? |
| 11:23.53 | BCMM | and what does the thing they want you to add to debian look like? |
| 11:23.57 | flj | that I am able to tell a driver from firmware. |
| 11:24.01 | *** join/#debian XXOOXX (~XXOOXX@2001:19f0:4401:cad:5400:1ff:feb3:c725) |
| 11:24.42 | *** join/#debian d3mon (Shell@ShellHosting.Org) |
| 11:24.44 | *** part/#debian d3mon (Shell@ShellHosting.Org) |
| 11:25.26 | *** join/#debian vermon (~vermon@78.11.4.178) |
| 11:25.52 | flj | http://www.meier-geinitz.de/sane/gt68xx-backend/ it is a mustek scanner. You add the file to the debian system. |
| 11:26.19 | *** join/#debian chuun (~user@gateway/tor-sasl/chuun) |
| 11:28.12 | flj | it is not about getting it running. It is about getting it running on free software. |
| 11:28.39 | *** join/#debian JohnML (~john1@ip-178-200-158-143.hsi07.unitymediagroup.de) |
| 11:28.50 | *** join/#debian Soul_Eater (~marcelo@unaffiliated/soul-eater/x-4649632) |
| 11:31.29 | BCMM | flj: "firmware", in this context, usually refers to the software running *on the device*, not the software running on the cpu |
| 11:32.59 | BCMM | flj: pretty much every part of your computer, mouse, hard disk, you name it, has non-free firmware. most peripheral devices load it from a ROM built in to the device. |
| 11:33.04 | *** join/#debian Antares_ (~Antares@109.252.93.28) |
| 11:33.23 | *** join/#debian xcm (~xcm@ipa210.225.tellas.gr) |
| 11:33.29 | flj | the piece of firmware you add to debian is being moved onto the usb device when you connect the usb device. That is what I have been told. |
| 11:33.46 | BCMM | flj: right. a few devices don't store the firmware themselves. instead, the firmware has to be sent to the device, by the driver, when the device is powered on |
| 11:34.22 | BCMM | the linux driver is involved with sending the firmware to the device, but that doesn't mean the driver itself isn't open source |
| 11:35.39 | BCMM | the operating system itself is no less free than it would be while interacting with a scanner that loads the firmware from an onboard ROM instead of from disk |
| 11:36.24 | BCMM | but the scanner almost certainly *needs* firmware to operate. and it seems unlikely that an older version of the driver came with open-source firmware for that scanner. |
| 11:36.25 | Antares_ | https://vk.com/douzaine Free Ð±Ð¸Ð»ÐµÑ Ð½Ð° ÐовÑй Ðод в 6 гоÑодаÑ
Russia! |
| 11:37.18 | *** join/#debian SPF (~spf@109.237.208.78) |
| 11:37.26 | *** join/#debian sikun (~David@h205.53.19.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) |
| 11:37.32 | *** join/#debian jikz (~k047n0de@113.193.187.146) |
| 11:37.52 | *** join/#debian robs_ (~robs@bce1.fw1.capo.montpellier-agglo.com) |
| 11:38.10 | flj | maybe you are right. It is not a problem. My policy is to make use of as most free software as possible. Also about hardware. Because I cannot get all hardware to run on free software does not stop me from trying to get free software devices. All my wifi cards are free software. |
| 11:39.52 | BCMM | flj: i personally don't think that firmware is a "free software" issue. i think it's a "free hardware" thing. |
| 11:40.32 | BCMM | and in many cases, if a wireless device doesn't require proprietary firmware in Debian, that just means that it has it's own way of loading proprietary firmware |
| 11:40.52 | BCMM | i.e. no firmware in /lib/ just means that the card doesn't need the OS's help to load proprietary firmware |
| 11:41.23 | *** join/#debian Satou (~jjj@194.102.62.106) |
| 11:41.34 | *** join/#debian bites (~bites@unaffiliated/bites) |
| 11:41.43 | *** join/#debian Robin_Anatoscope (~robs@bce1.fw1.capo.montpellier-agglo.com) |
| 11:41.50 | *** join/#debian tikun (~David@h37.64.88.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) |
| 11:43.43 | *** join/#debian Christian75 (~Christian@wikipedia/christian75) |
| 11:43.47 | *** join/#debian Christian75_ (~Christian@wikipedia/christian75) |
| 11:44.19 | *** join/#debian bitess (~bites@unaffiliated/bites) |
| 11:44.46 | *** join/#debian jesusbv_ (~jesusbv@2a00:23c5:eab:7200:6814:73f:fecb:4bdb) |
| 11:45.03 | flj | if a device does as you say, uses non free software anyway, it is unacceptable. But it does not stop me from wanting to avoid to add a non free firmware file to debian. |
| 11:45.26 | *** join/#debian tikund (~David@core-lnk-2.lnk1.cktech.io) |
| 11:45.41 | *** join/#debian tymczenko (~tymczenko@unaffiliated/tymczenko) |
| 11:46.27 | flj | the situation about hardware and non free software is unacceptable. Then you search for hardware which is able to run on debian main. Get a libreboot computer. |
| 11:46.45 | *** join/#debian mzf (~fakhraee@unaffiliated/mzf) |
| 11:46.59 | *** join/#debian rizzo (~RizzoTheR@dyndsl-037-138-181-009.ewe-ip-backbone.de) |
| 11:47.19 | *** join/#debian diogenes_ (~diogenes_@host-static-93-116-130-26.moldtelecom.md) |
| 11:47.57 | *** join/#debian sparklyballs (~bouncy@unaffiliated/sparklyballs) |
| 11:49.03 | flj | I will test debian 5.0.10. If it does not run then I will look for another usb device. Thanks. I stop. |
| 11:49.09 | *** join/#debian jesusbv_ (~jesusbv@2a00:23c5:eab:7200:6814:73f:fecb:4bdb) |
| 11:50.12 | *** join/#debian jesusbv_ (~jesusbv@2a00:23c5:eab:7200:6814:73f:fecb:4bdb) |
| 11:50.42 | *** join/#debian jesusbv__ (~jesusbv@2a00:23c5:eab:7200:6814:73f:fecb:4bdb) |
| 11:50.54 | *** join/#debian necrose99 (~necrose99@unaffiliated/necrose99) |
| 11:51.16 | *** join/#debian jesusbv_ (~jesusbv@2a00:23c5:eab:7200:6814:73f:fecb:4bdb) |
| 11:54.46 | *** join/#debian jesusbv_ (~jesusbv@2a00:23c5:eab:7200:6814:73f:fecb:4bdb) |
| 11:57.13 | *** join/#debian Neo_Chen (~Neo_Chen@unaffiliated/neo-chen/x-4242141) |
| 11:57.47 | *** join/#debian HarveyPwca (~HarveyPwc@99-89-221-139.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 12:00.26 | *** join/#debian Aaron_ (uid297794@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-slvfzysdmbipctud) |
| 12:01.16 | *** join/#debian jesusbv_ (~jesusbv@2a00:23c5:eab:7200:6814:73f:fecb:4bdb) |
| 12:02.05 | *** join/#debian pagetelegram (~pageteleg@2601:249:b00:b66a::d7aa) |
| 12:03.31 | *** join/#debian f4cl3y (~f4cl3y@unaffiliated/f4cl3y) |
| 12:04.20 | *** join/#debian jesusbv_ (~jesusbv@2a00:23c5:eab:7200:6814:73f:fecb:4bdb) |
| 12:04.36 | *** join/#debian jesusbv_ (~jesusbv@2a00:23c5:eab:7200:6814:73f:fecb:4bdb) |
| 12:04.56 | *** join/#debian jesusbv_ (~jesusbv@2a00:23c5:eab:7200:6814:73f:fecb:4bdb) |
| 12:08.36 | *** join/#debian Haudegen (~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at) |
| 12:08.39 | *** join/#debian jesusbv__ (~jesusbv@2a00:23c5:eab:7200:6814:73f:fecb:4bdb) |
| 12:08.44 | *** join/#debian jmarsac (~jmarsac@lfbn-1-7129-38.w90-116.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 12:08.58 | *** join/#debian jesusbv_ (~jesusbv@2a00:23c5:eab:7200:6814:73f:fecb:4bdb) |
| 12:10.16 | *** join/#debian jesusbv__ (~jesusbv@2a00:23c5:eab:7200:6814:73f:fecb:4bdb) |
| 12:10.31 | *** join/#debian ineiros (ineiros@kapsi.fi) |
| 12:12.24 | *** join/#debian jarfr (~jarfr@gateway/tor-sasl/jarfr) |
| 12:14.00 | *** join/#debian _systemd_is_evil (~NOsystemd@unaffiliated/mailjesus) |
| 12:14.43 | *** join/#debian roshanavand (~roshanava@static.33.225.201.195.clients.your-server.de) |
| 12:14.56 | *** join/#debian jesusbv__ (~jesusbv@2a00:23c5:eab:7200:6814:73f:fecb:4bdb) |
| 12:15.02 | *** join/#debian OS-svetcay (~OS-42252@74.222.71.184) |
| 12:16.19 | pagetelegram | xfce powermanagement installed. I just changed some settings now however default settings I have to cycle power bottom 3 times before coming out from sleep mode. Anyone else experience this or have recommended settings? I've had to do a hard reboot bc the computer would not come back out of sleep. |
| 12:17.47 | colo-work | most probably a firmware/BIOS problem |
| 12:18.29 | *** join/#debian jesusbv_ (~jesusbv@2a00:23c5:eab:7200:6814:73f:fecb:4bdb) |
| 12:18.43 | *** join/#debian silverwhitefish (~hidden@35.137.126.252) |
| 12:18.51 | *** join/#debian Rosco2 (~RossGammo@ubuntu/member/rosco2) |
| 12:18.54 | *** join/#debian jesusbv__ (~jesusbv@2a00:23c5:eab:7200:6814:73f:fecb:4bdb) |
| 12:20.06 | *** join/#debian wannabe83 (~wannabe83@203-73-243-185.adsl.dynamic.seed.net.tw) |
| 12:22.13 | *** join/#debian FightingFalcon (FightingFa@unaffiliated/fightingfalcon) |
| 12:23.43 | *** join/#debian encod3 (~encod3@89.20.162.146.static.ef-service.nl) |
| 12:24.57 | *** join/#debian jesusbv_ (~jesusbv@2a00:23c5:eab:7200:6814:73f:fecb:4bdb) |
| 12:25.17 | *** join/#debian monksam (~monksam@gateway/tor-sasl/monksam) |
| 12:25.21 | *** join/#debian Nefertiti (~Nefertiti@unaffiliated/nefertiti) |
| 12:25.29 | *** join/#debian jarfr (~jarfr@gateway/tor-sasl/jarfr) |
| 12:26.52 | *** join/#debian carmen_ (~carmen@89.238.185.108) |
| 12:29.15 | *** join/#debian n9nes (~strn@unaffiliated/n9nes) |
| 12:32.00 | *** join/#debian jesusbv_ (~jesusbv@2a00:23c5:eab:7200:6814:73f:fecb:4bdb) |
| 12:32.15 | *** join/#debian Eduard_Munteanu (~Eduard_Mu@195.90.110.113) |
| 12:32.32 | FightingFalcon | what does "qemu-ga: info: guest-shutdown called, mode: powerdown" mean? |
| 12:32.57 | *** join/#debian paradoxbr (~paradoxbr@177.135.93.114) |
| 12:34.38 | colo-work | something told the guest agent (https://wiki.qemu.org/Features/GuestAgent) in your qemu guest instance that the hypervisor urged your guest OS to initiate shutdown |
| 12:36.47 | *** join/#debian sparklyballs (~bouncy@unaffiliated/sparklyballs) |
| 12:36.56 | *** join/#debian Ryushin (chris@2001:470:4b:38f:777::8729) |
| 12:40.46 | *** join/#debian mzf (~fakhraee@unaffiliated/mzf) |
| 12:41.17 | *** join/#debian neo4 (~Thunderbi@55-136-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net) |
| 12:41.34 | *** join/#debian Shadowcrit (~Shadowcri@47.148.237.107) |
| 12:41.47 | *** join/#debian Kevlar_Noir (~lexou@73.70.197.77.rev.sfr.net) |
| 12:44.00 | *** join/#debian quipa (~Maxim@bl15-11-214.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 12:44.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1357] by debhelper |
| 12:50.13 | *** join/#debian VectorX (~VectorX@unaffiliated/vectorx) |
| 12:50.14 | *** join/#debian [bma] (~bma]@cpc114424-sout9-2-0-cust1628.20-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 12:51.25 | *** join/#debian sparklyballs (~bouncy@unaffiliated/sparklyballs) |
| 12:54.10 | *** join/#debian [bma] (~bma]@cpc114424-sout9-2-0-cust1628.20-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 12:56.31 | *** join/#debian Mazhive (~Mazhive@143.0.32.41) |
| 12:57.21 | *** join/#debian hjubal (~hjubal@unaffiliated/hjubal) |
| 12:59.48 | *** join/#debian esro (~esro@95.155.114.211) |
| 13:00.12 | *** join/#debian xcm (~xcm@ipa210.225.tellas.gr) |
| 13:01.29 | *** join/#debian twobitsprite (~isaac@98.122.148.110) |
| 13:02.55 | *** join/#debian starz0r (~star@c-76-16-146-255.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 13:03.08 | *** join/#debian Guest86004 (~fred@gateway/tor-sasl/freddrickk) |
| 13:03.15 | *** join/#debian _joes_ (~quassel@cpc1-watf9-0-0-cust236.watf.cable.ntl.com) |
| 13:03.30 | *** join/#debian _systemd_is_evil (~NOsystemd@unaffiliated/mailjesus) |
| 13:04.22 | *** join/#debian hele (~hele@88-115-23-30.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 13:05.17 | *** join/#debian slon (slon@ip-86-49-28-90.net.upcbroadband.cz) |
| 13:07.30 | jelly | Antares_: Interesting links are welcome on #debian-offtopic channel, but can you please avoid posting non-debian-support links here? |
| 13:09.29 | *** join/#debian xcm (~xcm@ipa210.225.tellas.gr) |
| 13:10.48 | *** join/#debian SopaXorzTaker (~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker) |
| 13:11.25 | *** join/#debian walnut_burl (~oak@96.44.143.202) |
| 13:11.52 | *** join/#debian altin (~altin@flossk/altin) |
| 13:11.53 | *** join/#debian n4dir (~n4dir@mue-88-130-56-190.dsl.tropolys.de) |
| 13:11.53 | *** join/#debian mauz555 (~mauz555@2a01:e35:2427:4980:18d:97c4:56d9:5edd) |
| 13:11.54 | *** join/#debian chrissl (~chris@84-115-13-221.cable.dynamic.surfer.at) |
| 13:13.35 | jelly | ,checkbackport sssd |
| 13:13.36 | judd | Backporting package sssd in sidâstretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch. |
| 13:13.43 | *** join/#debian rednsore (~slave@85.130.34.81) |
| 13:13.51 | *** join/#debian lanelet (~lanelet@cpe-174-109-244-56.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 13:15.16 | *** join/#debian michaelni (~michael@213-47-41-20.cable.dynamic.surfer.at) |
| 13:16.15 | *** join/#debian rcm888 (~rcm888___@94.140.230.171) |
| 13:18.46 | *** join/#debian remy^ (~remy@2a02:a210:2140:f480:6e62:6dff:fe0a:58e9) |
| 13:19.33 | *** join/#debian root_ (~OS-35206@136.204.229.87) |
| 13:20.02 | *** part/#debian root_ (~OS-35206@136.204.229.87) |
| 13:23.15 | *** join/#debian morphis_ (~morphis@p5DCC3415.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 13:24.21 | *** join/#debian abf_ (~abf@2601:404:c101:234::c55e) |
| 13:25.36 | *** join/#debian toxync12 (~toxync12@120.244.118.174) |
| 13:29.22 | *** join/#debian oish_ (~charlie@109.144.209.100) |
| 13:30.12 | *** join/#debian cherti (cherti@eris.noname-ev.de) |
| 13:30.27 | *** join/#debian quipa (~Maxim@bl15-11-214.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 13:31.17 | *** join/#debian quipa (~Maxim@bl15-11-214.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 13:31.34 | *** join/#debian remy^ (~remy@2a02:a210:2140:f480:6e62:6dff:fe0a:58e9) |
| 13:34.43 | *** join/#debian JiZhanHuang (~JIZHANHUA@2001-b011-1002-1773-a0a8-af45-d96f-9e28.dynamic-ip6.hinet.net) |
| 13:34.54 | *** join/#debian lazyod (~lazyod@2405:204:a004:6aa7:b8e6:e4a9:78f8:7aca) |
| 13:35.31 | *** join/#debian greycat (~wooledg@139.137.128.43) |
| 13:38.27 | *** join/#debian toxync12- (~toxync12@223.72.88.248) |
| 13:38.58 | rcm888 | why os-prober doesnt detect btrfs?? |
| 13:40.40 | *** join/#debian neo4 (~Thunderbi@55-136-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net) |
| 13:42.34 | *** join/#debian spackle259 (~spackle25@162.210.198.23) |
| 13:43.06 | *** join/#debian bollo (~bollo@unaffiliated/bollo) |
| 13:43.21 | jelly | noone taught it to? |
| 13:44.11 | *** join/#debian bauruine (~bauruine@2a01:4f8:130:8285:fefe::36) |
| 13:46.19 | *** join/#debian IdleGandalf (~IdleGanda@anquietas.harting.hosting) |
| 13:48.27 | *** join/#debian czesmir (~stefan@eka96.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 13:51.54 | *** join/#debian monksam (~monksam@gateway/tor-sasl/monksam) |
| 13:52.31 | *** join/#debian tymczenko (~tymczenko@unaffiliated/tymczenko) |
| 13:52.39 | SopaXorzTaker | TIL (not really today) that the recently-used files are stored in .local/share/recently-used.xbel |
| 13:54.16 | *** join/#debian tmroland (~tmroland@cpc115064-stok20-2-0-cust619.1-4.cable.virginm.net) |
| 13:56.33 | *** join/#debian keoegie (~user@45.71.132.69) |
| 13:56.35 | *** join/#debian neibo (~bingen@169.pool85-61-151.dynamic.orange.es) |
| 13:56.42 | *** join/#debian GaneshRaju (~ganeshraj@23-124-244-100.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 13:57.02 | rcm888 | is there way to make update-grub detect btrfs?? |
| 13:58.46 | *** join/#debian Satou (~jjj@86.125.229.16) |
| 13:59.19 | rcm888 | is there way to make update-grub detect btrfs?? |
| 13:59.24 | *** join/#debian twobitsp1ite (~isaac@8.42.18.17) |
| 13:59.31 | *** join/#debian Tom01 (~tom@p4FEC3D39.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 13:59.40 | *** join/#debian roler (~roler@unaffiliated/roler) |
| 14:00.35 | *** join/#debian hipp (~hipp@c-69-243-169-65.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 14:00.51 | *** join/#debian zleap (~zleap@host5-81-247-33.range5-81.btcentralplus.com) |
| 14:00.51 | *** join/#debian zleap (~zleap@unaffiliated/zleap) |
| 14:03.02 | *** join/#debian clasick (~clasick@59.96.220.13) |
| 14:03.12 | *** join/#debian p3rror (~p3rror@41.248.214.119) |
| 14:03.18 | keoegie | hi |
| 14:03.24 | *** join/#debian zleap (~zleap@unaffiliated/zleap) |
| 14:04.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1364] by debhelper |
| 14:04.21 | keoegie | I need to extract the files from an external cloned hd. The file extension is e01 through e27 |
| 14:04.47 | *** join/#debian clasick (~clasick@59.96.220.13) |
| 14:05.40 | *** join/#debian nighty- (~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) |
| 14:06.03 | colo-work | `file yourfileofunknowndescent` |
| 14:07.02 | *** join/#debian _systemd_is_evil (~NOsystemd@unaffiliated/mailjesus) |
| 14:07.30 | greycat | you were actually able to parse that question? impressive. |
| 14:07.51 | keoegie | colo-work, have more files |
| 14:07.54 | *** join/#debian mibo (~mibo@194.213.207.197) |
| 14:08.01 | keoegie | colo-work, is hd clone |
| 14:08.23 | colo-work | greycat, I tried, and was willing to risk a shot in the dark |
| 14:08.25 | *** join/#debian TomyWork (~tomy@82.194.113.100) |
| 14:08.27 | *** join/#debian GroovyNoodle (~NoodleNet@2a07-a880-4601-1048-420d-b0e9-a6e0-94ca.pool6.ovpn.com) |
| 14:08.30 | Haohmaru | rcm888 maybe you need to have certain things first, like btrfs-tools btrfs-utils or something |
| 14:08.30 | greycat | Nice effort. |
| 14:08.41 | colo-work | keoegie, `file *e[0-9][0-9]` |
| 14:09.23 | *** join/#debian mauz555 (~mauz555@2a01:e35:2427:4980:18d:97c4:56d9:5edd) |
| 14:10.05 | *** join/#debian sorko999 (~sorko999@2001:41d0:302:2000::1a67) |
| 14:13.19 | keoegie | colo-work, need flag? |
| 14:14.20 | *** join/#debian BeerHall (~Thunderbi@222.95.2.190) |
| 14:15.33 | *** join/#debian AlexPortable (uid7568@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zbgggneofkbcygyc) |
| 14:17.04 | *** join/#debian eamanu (~Thunderbi@181.28.145.135) |
| 14:18.01 | *** join/#debian project2501a (~project25@lopsa/member/project2501a) |
| 14:18.01 | *** join/#debian _systemd_is_evil (~NOsystemd@unaffiliated/mailjesus) |
| 14:18.19 | *** join/#debian mateusvoc (bd044cd1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.4.76.209) |
| 14:20.08 | *** join/#debian monksam (~monksam@gateway/tor-sasl/monksam) |
| 14:20.26 | *** join/#debian _joes_ (~quassel@cpc1-watf9-0-0-cust236.watf.cable.ntl.com) |
| 14:20.53 | *** join/#debian Tarrasquero (~Tarrasque@unaffiliated/tarrasquero) |
| 14:23.05 | *** join/#debian tikund (~David@core-lnk-2.lnk1.cktech.io) |
| 14:25.22 | *** join/#debian tikund (~David@core-lnk-2.lnk1.cktech.io) |
| 14:25.51 | *** join/#debian HarveyPwca (~HarveyPwc@ip-64-134-172-121.public.wayport.net) |
| 14:26.01 | *** join/#debian mzf (~fakhraee@unaffiliated/mzf) |
| 14:27.01 | *** join/#debian diogenes_ (~diogenes_@host-static-89-42-130-217.moldtelecom.md) |
| 14:27.34 | n4dir | 6 |
| 14:27.47 | *** join/#debian HarveyPwca (~HarveyPwc@ip-64-134-172-121.public.wayport.net) |
| 14:28.28 | *** join/#debian grobi (~rtng@x5ce299e0.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 14:28.56 | *** join/#debian clasick (~clasick@59.96.220.13) |
| 14:28.59 | *** join/#debian mauz555_ (~mauz555@80.214.125.38) |
| 14:29.46 | *** join/#debian DammitJim (~DammitJim@173.227.148.6) |
| 14:30.12 | *** join/#debian egs0 (~egs0@62-220-174-59.cust.bredband2.com) |
| 14:31.25 | egs0 | Anyone know where to download non-EFI installation images? https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst only points to efi installs |
| 14:31.56 | greycat | The Debian netinst images can be booted in UEFI or Legacy mode, if your computer has those options in its firmware. |
| 14:32.29 | jelly | but how do you coerce them to install in legacy mode even if they find UEFI firmware |
| 14:32.38 | greycat | Booting one in Legacy mode does a non-UEFI install, and installs grub-pc rather than grub-efi. |
| 14:33.55 | *** join/#debian franklyundead (~franklyun@94.247.2.49) |
| 14:34.18 | *** join/#debian ski (~ski@remote11.chalmers.se) |
| 14:34.32 | *** join/#debian mteus (bd044cd1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.4.76.209) |
| 14:34.43 | petn-randall | this ^ |
| 14:35.32 | petn-randall | If you really need to create a legacy install on UEFI only, or the other way around (which would be unbootable in both cases), you can always debootstrap. |
| 14:36.27 | *** join/#debian qtfy (~qtfy@193.226.56.99) |
| 14:36.28 | *** join/#debian qtfy (~qtfy@unaffiliated/mayt) |
| 14:36.39 | egs0 | Hmm, how do you flash usb with netinstall legacy mode? Only seems to be EFI when I flash it normally |
| 14:36.53 | *** join/#debian robs_ (~robs@bce1.fw1.capo.montpellier-agglo.com) |
| 14:37.01 | *** join/#debian [bma] (~bma]@cpc114424-sout9-2-0-cust1628.20-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 14:37.10 | greycat | You BOOT it in legacy mode by going into your computer's firmware ("BIOS") and choosing that option from the boot menu. |
| 14:37.18 | *** join/#debian morfeokmg (~morfeokmg@201.130.57.132) |
| 14:37.26 | *** join/#debian goose (goose@bucket.goose.ws) |
| 14:37.58 | *** join/#debian [bma] (~bma]@cpc114424-sout9-2-0-cust1628.20-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 14:38.03 | *** join/#debian winem_ (~quassel@80.242.165.195) |
| 14:38.16 | egs0 | Ah |
| 14:38.23 | goose | I'm attempting to change a password of a user. When I do, the terminal immediately returns the following lines, without letting me input anything: https://gist.github.com/goose-ws/36c8c8e2e39f4ecdbe8d8985fdb7a8cf |
| 14:39.05 | petn-randall | goose: Is this on Debian? |
| 14:39.08 | goose | Yes |
| 14:39.14 | *** join/#debian [bma] (~bma]@cpc114424-sout9-2-0-cust1628.20-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 14:39.19 | petn-randall | goose: which release? |
| 14:39.23 | goose | stable |
| 14:39.29 | petn-randall | stretch? |
| 14:39.35 | *** join/#debian maxzor (~maxzor@85.233.214.125) |
| 14:39.46 | goose | 9.5, not sure the codename |
| 14:39.58 | *** join/#debian BeerHall (~Thunderbi@222.95.2.190) |
| 14:40.13 | petn-randall | yes, that's stretch. Does running 'systemctl' as root show any daemons currently failing? It should be in red. |
| 14:40.16 | *** join/#debian tymczenko (~tymczenko@unaffiliated/tymczenko) |
| 14:40.33 | *** join/#debian pkx1 (~pkx@unaffiliated/pkx) |
| 14:40.58 | maxzor | hello, running 9.5 how can i know the sed version I am using? It does not support bracket repetition constraint nor negative lookahead... |
| 14:41.02 | goose | Yes: systemd-sysctl.service, vsftpd.service (Expected, I'm working on finding the config error for that one) |
| 14:41.25 | n4dir | maxzor: something like sed --version? |
| 14:41.26 | maxzor | embarassing, sed --version, right |
| 14:41.30 | maxzor | ty :) |
| 14:41.38 | maxzor | says 4.4 |
| 14:41.39 | greycat | or "dpkg -l sed" |
| 14:41.53 | SerajewelKS | is there a tool in debian that will write zero over every sector of a hard disk EXCEPT sectors that can't be read? |
| 14:42.12 | SerajewelKS | e.g. to prepare a disk to be RMA'd, without masking existing read errors |
| 14:42.31 | greycat | maxzor: you might want to talk to the ##sed channel instead of us, because that question sounds fairly advanced. (Portable POSIX sed only uses Basic Regular Expressions.) |
| 14:42.47 | maxzor | greycat, thank you |
| 14:43.20 | petn-randall | SerajewelKS: What would the benefit be? You can always see unrecovered/reallocated sectors via the SMART data. |
| 14:43.23 | *** join/#debian spackle259 (~spackle25@207.244.78.96) |
| 14:43.50 | SerajewelKS | indeed, i just have heard some vendors can be picky about it |
| 14:44.07 | petn-randall | SerajewelKS: Personally, I'd do a secure erase via ATA, and the RMA it. |
| 14:44.11 | petn-randall | *then |
| 14:44.39 | *** join/#debian franklyundead (~franklyun@94.247.2.49) |
| 14:44.53 | SerajewelKS | oh hmm |
| 14:45.19 | *** join/#debian pax (~Thunderbi@87.18.38.50) |
| 14:45.20 | *** join/#debian vvor (~vvor@bzq-79-181-246-156.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 14:45.50 | SerajewelKS | that means i have to trust the disk firmware, yes? |
| 14:46.14 | *** join/#debian brw (~brw@47.185.175.211) |
| 14:46.22 | petn-randall | SerajewelKS: It will also erase any reserve sectors, which a wipe with /dev/zero will not. |
| 14:46.26 | *** join/#debian kampsun (~hendrik@unaffiliated/kampsun) |
| 14:46.33 | SerajewelKS | ah |
| 14:46.47 | SerajewelKS | i assume none of this will affect the reallocated count in the smart data |
| 14:47.06 | petn-randall | SerajewelKS: Btw, I just use LUKS on every physical disk, that way you only have to wipe the LUKS header (around 4k) to make the data unrecoverable. It's much easier to get that wiped cleanly than the whole disk. |
| 14:48.00 | petn-randall | SerajewelKS: IIRC it will reallocate any sectors marked as offline uncorrectable. |
| 14:48.02 | *** join/#debian _systemd_is_evil (~NOsystemd@unaffiliated/mailjesus) |
| 14:48.22 | SerajewelKS | right, same as wiping with /dev/zero |
| 14:48.28 | SerajewelKS | yeah the LUKS idea is a good one |
| 14:48.34 | *** join/#debian aaii (~aaii@31.58.238.252) |
| 14:49.01 | SerajewelKS | kind of a PITA to retrofit that onto a running server. maybe next time i do a data migration i can do that too. |
| 14:49.40 | *** join/#debian hotot (~hotot@129-2-181-199.wireless.umd.edu) |
| 14:49.42 | SerajewelKS | hdparm tells me "422min for SECURITY ERASE UNIT. 422min for ENHANCED SECURITY ERASE UNIT." i just issued a secure erase command and it only took 1.5min? is that normal? |
| 14:49.42 | *** join/#debian p0358 (p0358@wikipedia/Gp8) |
| 14:49.44 | walnut_burl | goose: Do you have the right perms on /etc/shadow, and /etc/passwd. You read/write to /etc/shadow, Could also be account doesn't exist in /etc/shadow but does in passwd, you are using an external authentication and passwd isn't handling it correctly, or the account is disabled. SELinux can also create problems |
| 14:50.11 | goose | walnut_burl, thanks, I'll check |
| 14:50.44 | SerajewelKS | all I/O to the disk (fdisk, hdparm) now hangs |
| 14:51.23 | *** join/#debian Envil (~envil@55d4b4c0.access.ecotel.net) |
| 14:52.23 | *** join/#debian rizzo (~RizzoTheR@dyndsl-037-138-181-009.ewe-ip-backbone.de) |
| 14:52.29 | SerajewelKS | apparently the kernel has started killing requests to the disk because it's taking too long. i'm guessing the disk is still erasing but returned success to the erase command too early? |
| 14:52.49 | *** join/#debian sikun (~David@core-lnk-2.lnk1.cktech.io) |
| 14:52.49 | *** join/#debian cfoch (uid153227@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-toiqbkplsjwhapsc) |
| 14:53.06 | egs0 | greycat, do all BIOS have such options? I've got a ASUS P6T SE which is quite old, and cannot find any options regarding UEFI/legacy |
| 14:53.09 | petn-randall | SerajewelKS: Right, but any sensitive data on reallocated sectors will not be wiped with /dev/zero, but will be with ATA secure erase. |
| 14:53.20 | petn-randall | egs0: Then it likely doesn't have UEFI. |
| 14:53.23 | greycat | egs0: there is no standard of any kind, no. |
| 14:53.43 | greycat | If it's a pure Legacy machine, then you should be able to simply boot the installer, and install Debian with no problem. |
| 14:53.45 | SerajewelKS | petn-randall: right, i just meant w/rt the smart data... both will have basically the same effect on that. pending bad sectors get remapped. |
| 14:53.49 | *** join/#debian dilema (~dilema@193.146.211.2) |
| 14:53.59 | petn-randall | Oh yes, definitely. |
| 14:54.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1372] by debhelper |
| 14:54.14 | SerajewelKS | the stranger issue now is that the erase "completed" in 1.5 mins (for a 3TB HDD!?) |
| 14:54.34 | SerajewelKS | and now the disk is not accepting commands. the kernel has apparently marked the disk "offline" and all I/O to it results in "No such device or address" |
| 14:54.44 | SerajewelKS | so i don't know if it failed and i need to replug the drive, or if i just need to wait |
| 14:54.45 | *** join/#debian [bma] (~bma]@cpc114424-sout9-2-0-cust1628.20-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 14:55.27 | *** join/#debian BeerHall1 (~Thunderbi@223.104.147.64) |
| 14:55.37 | SerajewelKS | i'm using a USB-SATA bridge, so any goofiness of the bridge may also be at play here |
| 14:55.40 | petn-randall | SerajewelKS: Jikes. How is the disk connected? I know of USB/S-ATA bridges that offline the disk on errors. |
| 14:56.13 | SerajewelKS | maybe the bridge has a 1.5min timeout for all commands. if the disk is offlined, will the erase still be in progress? |
| 14:56.28 | SerajewelKS | e.g. should i just wait the 422 minutes and then replug it? |
| 14:56.44 | petn-randall | SerajewelKS: Not sure, I'd replug it anyways. |
| 14:56.52 | SerajewelKS | hmm ok |
| 14:57.09 | SerajewelKS | maybe i should just take advantage of sata hotswap and plug it into this machine directly |
| 14:57.12 | *** join/#debian Envil (~envil@55d4b4c0.access.ecotel.net) |
| 14:57.17 | petn-randall | I'd also plug it into a "proper" S-ATA port if that issue happens again. |
| 14:58.09 | SerajewelKS | the first bridge i tried couldn't handle disks >2TB so my trust in USB bridges isn't that high at the moment |
| 14:58.37 | *** join/#debian [bma] (~bma]@cpc114424-sout9-2-0-cust1628.20-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 14:59.12 | *** join/#debian Envil (~envil@55d4b4c0.access.ecotel.net) |
| 14:59.38 | SerajewelKS | oh jeez. i don't think i have a spare sata cable here. |
| 15:00.11 | egs0 | greycat, problem is the netinst flashed USB stick only contains a EFI dir and grub-efi, and the installation worked fine, however on bootup after the grub menu, the screen gets the "no signal input" which was the problem I had on another computer when I installed legacy mode instead of UEFI so I assume it actually install UEFI by default this time |
| 15:00.38 | *** join/#debian Envil (~envil@55d4b4c0.access.ecotel.net) |
| 15:01.30 | greycat | egs0: that sounds like the boot loader is fine, but there's some problem in the kernel's video or other really low level layers (ACPI?) |
| 15:02.08 | *** join/#debian mzf (~fakhraee@unaffiliated/mzf) |
| 15:03.02 | *** join/#debian mibo (~mibo@ip-89-103-252-61.net.upcbroadband.cz) |
| 15:03.15 | SerajewelKS | ok, i wasn't using one of my other disks in this machine so i unmounted it, pulled the SATA cable, and i'm using that for now to do this erase |
| 15:03.34 | SerajewelKS | wide support for SATA hotplug is really nice |
| 15:05.00 | *** join/#debian _joes_ (~quassel@cpc1-watf9-0-0-cust236.watf.cable.ntl.com) |
| 15:05.53 | *** join/#debian pity (~pity@113.88.113.79) |
| 15:07.02 | SerajewelKS | petn-randall: the command didn't return after 1.5min this time so i think it's safe to say it was the USB bridge doing USB bridge things |
| 15:07.19 | SerajewelKS | thanks for the pointers |
| 15:07.21 | *** join/#debian P1ersson (~P1ersson@kenta.iip.kth.se) |
| 15:10.13 | *** join/#debian xanio (~xanio@host14-212-static.115-2-b.business.telecomitalia.it) |
| 15:10.35 | *** join/#debian troys (~troys@23-24-139-177-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 15:10.42 | *** join/#debian blitzed (~blitzed@23.83.37.180) |
| 15:10.49 | *** join/#debian schizo (~schizo@unaffiliated/sekizo) |
| 15:12.59 | *** join/#debian mauz555 (~mauz555@80.215.90.113) |
| 15:15.03 | SerajewelKS | literally the first thing on this howto says "do not attempt to do this through a usb interface" |
| 15:15.10 | SerajewelKS | <-- this guy can totally read |
| 15:15.35 | *** join/#debian austin987 (~null@2605:a601:40fc:5a:9dea:147f:da0:2818) |
| 15:17.23 | *** join/#debian pja (~phil@2a02:8010:6098:0:f2de:f1ff:fe2c:3d9) |
| 15:17.30 | jelly | SerajewelKS: leave it running for 8 hours, it might be doing its thing. |
| 15:17.58 | SerajewelKS | it is now, i attached it directly with a sata cable |
| 15:18.03 | jelly | ah |
| 15:18.14 | SerajewelKS | apparently using USB bridges can brick the hard drive completely |
| 15:18.22 | jelly | whoopsies |
| 15:18.32 | *** join/#debian kaelshay (~kaelshay@89.252.31.135) |
| 15:18.39 | SerajewelKS | i'm lucky that it just made the secure erase fail |
| 15:18.56 | SerajewelKS | that will teach me not to ignore the big red warning text on these articles |
| 15:22.33 | *** join/#debian stefanc_diff (~stefanc_d@193.105.212.250) |
| 15:24.06 | *** join/#debian ChmEarl (~chmearl@unaffiliated/prymar56) |
| 15:24.56 | *** join/#debian keoegie (~user@45.71.132.69) |
| 15:25.41 | keoegie | hi, i try umount, but dont work, because msg umount: ewf1: block devices are not permitted on filesystem |
| 15:26.12 | *** join/#debian ralinux (~androirc@31.4.219.47) |
| 15:26.33 | *** join/#debian mattgirv (~quassel@kat.vps.livebytes.co.uk) |
| 15:31.23 | *** join/#debian nibble_zero (~nibble_ze@37.244.231.177) |
| 15:34.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1366] by debhelper |
| 15:34.03 | *** join/#debian j7k6 (~j7k6@unaffiliated/j7k6) |
| 15:34.09 | *** join/#debian mzf (~fakhraee@unaffiliated/mzf) |
| 15:35.33 | *** join/#debian CyberHacker (~CyberHack@gateway/tor-sasl/cyberhacker) |
| 15:35.51 | *** join/#debian pax (~Thunderbi@87.18.38.50) |
| 15:35.59 | *** join/#debian devbaka (~devbaka@p200300C4BF1B9100798D7C5F4ED0C6E9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 15:37.39 | *** join/#debian j7k6 (~j7k6@unaffiliated/j7k6) |
| 15:38.12 | *** join/#debian mtn (~mtn@unaffiliated/mtn) |
| 15:38.26 | *** join/#debian Spr1ng (~Spr1ng@unaffiliated/spr1ng) |
| 15:38.38 | *** join/#debian Zvmdyv (~Zvmdyv@unaffiliated/zvmdyv) |
| 15:41.31 | *** join/#debian dyskon (~HydraGene@2a02:a445:62a:1:39ba:5e56:75c0:a3e7) |
| 15:42.17 | *** join/#debian j7k6 (~j7k6@unaffiliated/j7k6) |
| 15:42.31 | *** join/#debian m0ebius (~Moebius@unaffiliated/m0ebius) |
| 15:42.46 | *** join/#debian BlueByte (~walther@grimbart-cable.blackx.net) |
| 15:43.03 | *** join/#debian Hoolootwo (Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue) |
| 15:43.12 | *** join/#debian j7k6 (~j7k6@unaffiliated/j7k6) |
| 15:47.06 | *** join/#debian Ricardo__ (~rick@2804:14d:4c8f:979a::1) |
| 15:47.06 | *** join/#debian Ricardo__ (~rick@unaffiliated/ricardo--/x-7903455) |
| 15:47.11 | *** join/#debian voidSurfr (~voidSurfr@199.21.163.10) |
| 15:48.06 | *** join/#debian rsx (~rsx@ppp-46-244-252-230.dynamic.mnet-online.de) |
| 15:48.51 | *** join/#debian a0z (~a0z@217.72.118.243) |
| 15:50.33 | *** join/#debian mattgirv (~quassel@kat.vps.livebytes.co.uk) |
| 15:50.44 | *** join/#debian HugsWont1etgo (~HugsWontl@80.89.79.236) |
| 15:52.16 | *** join/#debian j7k6 (~j7k6@unaffiliated/j7k6) |
| 15:52.24 | rcm888 | I have screen blinking. found some uncertain articles on the web. but still cant understand where is the problem |
| 15:53.38 | Voldenet | have you tried using another screen |
| 15:54.17 | rcm888 | Voldenet, under ms works normally |
| 15:56.59 | Voldenet | Can't help if it's xorg issue, I only use the terminal |
| 15:57.46 | SerajewelKS | what kind of display? |
| 15:57.47 | *** join/#debian bitess (~bites@unaffiliated/bites) |
| 16:03.01 | *** join/#debian jfoy (~jfoy@50.237.87.162) |
| 16:03.06 | *** join/#debian p3rror (~p3rror@41.248.214.119) |
| 16:05.03 | rcm888 | philips |
| 16:05.18 | rcm888 | 1920x1050 |
| 16:05.36 | *** join/#debian autofsckk (~autofsckk@unaffiliated/autofsckk) |
| 16:06.24 | *** join/#debian Nekojimi (~jimj316@unaffiliated/jimj316) |
| 16:06.31 | *** join/#debian bites (~bites@unaffiliated/bites) |
| 16:06.40 | SerajewelKS | i mean what type |
| 16:09.57 | *** join/#debian [bma] (~bma]@cpc114424-sout9-2-0-cust1628.20-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 16:09.59 | *** join/#debian P1ersson (~P1ersson@m176-64-85-5.cust.tele2.se) |
| 16:10.20 | *** part/#debian m0ebius (~Moebius@unaffiliated/m0ebius) |
| 16:11.06 | *** join/#debian spackle259 (~spackle25@207.244.78.96) |
| 16:12.46 | *** part/#debian pm (~pm@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org) |
| 16:13.49 | *** join/#debian jhutchins_wk (~jonathan@corp.cdc.nicusa.com) |
| 16:15.40 | *** join/#debian earthundead (~earthunde@188.170.72.232) |
| 16:17.18 | *** join/#debian rueb (~rueb@189.250.205.101) |
| 16:17.25 | *** join/#debian Hoolootwo (Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue) |
| 16:17.33 | *** join/#debian noodlepie (~Phillip@188.29.165.153.threembb.co.uk) |
| 16:18.41 | *** join/#debian noodlepie (~Phillip@188.29.165.153.threembb.co.uk) |
| 16:18.59 | *** join/#debian digital (digital@digitalville.de) |
| 16:21.41 | *** join/#debian [bma] (~bma]@cpc114424-sout9-2-0-cust1628.20-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 16:21.46 | *** part/#debian autofsckk (~autofsckk@unaffiliated/autofsckk) |
| 16:22.26 | tharkun | somiaj: Thanks I ended up with a dead battery after typing the PPid so I really hadn't a chance to take a look at your comment. |
| 16:22.44 | tharkun | greycat: Thanks for the head up on somiaj's comment. |
| 16:23.11 | *** join/#debian piratex (~piratex@82-197-210-16.dsl.cambrium.nl) |
| 16:23.34 | *** join/#debian towo` (~towo@unaffiliated/towo/x-4064351) |
| 16:23.41 | *** join/#debian buzzzz (~buzzzz@r49-3-191-166.cpe.vividwireless.net.au) |
| 16:24.10 | trysten | where is the documentation for wpa_supplicant extensions to /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 16:25.53 | *** join/#debian [bma] (~bma]@cpc114424-sout9-2-0-cust1628.20-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 16:26.04 | *** join/#debian clackety (~clackety@gateway/tor-sasl/clackety) |
| 16:26.26 | *** join/#debian amcorreia (~amcorreia@177.183.40.13) |
| 16:27.39 | *** join/#debian czart (~czart@accj186.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 16:29.57 | *** part/#debian rueb (~rueb@189.250.205.101) |
| 16:30.37 | jelly | trysten: if unsure start with |
| 16:30.42 | jelly | !README.Debian |
| 16:30.42 | dpkg | README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration. |
| 16:31.53 | *** join/#debian Gazooo (~Gazooo@142.196.183.136) |
| 16:32.27 | *** join/#debian _joes_ (~quassel@santoroj.plus.com) |
| 16:33.13 | trysten | Thanks jelly :D |
| 16:33.53 | *** join/#debian TriJetScud (~TriJetScu@69.172.162.252) |
| 16:33.57 | *** join/#debian _0bitcount (~Big_Byte@90.162.105.206) |
| 16:34.20 | mason | trysten: There's also https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 16:34.36 | mason | trysten: That shows some basics that'll cover most networks. |
| 16:35.10 | mason | This one's an odd case in that you want to configure ifupdown, but it doesn't know about wpa itself, making the documentation a bit hard to find. |
| 16:35.30 | mason | trysten: But, once learned, you'll always remember it, because the actual syntax is trivial. |
| 16:36.16 | mason | (Then you can relearn it all with added ceremonial syntax if Debian moves to netplan.) |
| 16:36.45 | *** join/#debian netcrash (~netcrash@187-14-187-61.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 16:37.43 | *** join/#debian noodlepie (~Phillip@188.29.165.153.threembb.co.uk) |
| 16:39.14 | *** join/#debian blueness (~blueness@gentoo/developer/blueness) |
| 16:39.44 | *** join/#debian Phizzy (~Phillip@host-92-19-234-97.static.as13285.net) |
| 16:39.45 | *** join/#debian soul-d (~name@ip4da1f3f2.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 16:42.34 | Roedy | I just found the manpage for pf on debian.com - Does that mean I can somehow install pf on my debian? https://manpages.debian.org/testing/freebsd-manpages/pf.4freebsd.en.html |
| 16:42.58 | *** join/#debian grobi (~rtng@x5ce299e0.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 16:43.12 | greycat | debian.com? |
| 16:43.24 | Roedy | org sorry |
| 16:43.50 | jelly | !kfreebsd |
| 16:43.50 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 are not official release architectures since Debian 8 "Jessie" due to quality concerns. https://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ https://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 16:44.21 | jelly | Roedy: only if you install the non-linux variant of Debian with FreeBSD kernel. |
| 16:44.49 | Roedy | hmm. okay |
| 16:44.53 | *** join/#debian kampsun (~hendrik@unaffiliated/kampsun) |
| 16:45.06 | thms | trolol |
| 16:45.52 | *** join/#debian JacobEdelman (~JacobEdel@159.203.134.170) |
| 16:46.15 | *** part/#debian JacobEdelman (~JacobEdel@159.203.134.170) |
| 16:46.40 | *** join/#debian Zvmdyv (~Zvmdyv@unaffiliated/zvmdyv) |
| 16:47.12 | *** join/#debian os_ (~os_@159.89.96.179) |
| 16:47.13 | *** join/#debian os_ (~os_@unaffiliated/os-/x-7903479) |
| 16:48.23 | *** join/#debian rgr (~user@p4FCA66EB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 16:49.32 | *** join/#debian platvoeten (~platvoete@178-85-122-247.dynamic.upc.nl) |
| 16:51.31 | *** join/#debian mzf (~fakhraee@unaffiliated/mzf) |
| 16:51.51 | *** join/#debian mrig (~mrig@unaffiliated/mrig) |
| 16:55.52 | *** join/#debian P1ersson (~P1ersson@h-46-161.A165.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 16:56.43 | *** join/#debian dreamon (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) |
| 16:57.33 | *** join/#debian outoftim1 (~ruslan@46.227.143.243) |
| 16:59.16 | *** join/#debian dreamon (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) |
| 17:00.02 | *** join/#debian sparklyballs (~bouncy@unaffiliated/sparklyballs) |
| 17:00.41 | *** join/#debian NetTerminalGene (~NetTermin@unaffiliated/dontknow) |
| 17:01.05 | mason | Ooh, the "quality concerns" author must be the same person who was trolling the Wikipedia article for a while. |
| 17:04.02 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1359] by debhelper |
| 17:04.52 | *** join/#debian h0 (~h0@126.1.10.93.rev.sfr.net) |
| 17:05.29 | *** join/#debian Sulak (~Sulak@unaffiliated/sulak) |
| 17:05.37 | *** join/#debian jarfr (~jarfr@gateway/tor-sasl/jarfr) |
| 17:05.49 | *** join/#debian keoegie (~user@45.71.132.69) |
| 17:05.55 | keoegie | hi, mount: ewf1: failed to setup loop device: Permissão negada |
| 17:06.03 | keoegie | how to fix this problem ? |
| 17:08.00 | *** join/#debian josj (~josboerse@2001:983:6481:1:8aae:1dff:fe01:2b4e) |
| 17:08.04 | *** join/#debian [bma] (~bma]@cpc114424-sout9-2-0-cust1628.20-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 17:08.43 | *** join/#debian ablue (~ablue@178.128.219.124) |
| 17:11.53 | *** join/#debian g0zzy (~goose@host31-54-143-130.range31-54.btcentralplus.com) |
| 17:12.48 | g0zzy | Having a real problem purging and reinstalling mysql-server. It's simply not clearing out and cleaning itself |
| 17:13.18 | *** join/#debian dob1 (~dob1@unaffiliated/dob1) |
| 17:13.20 | greycat | It's probably a meta-package that brings in something with numbers in it. |
| 17:13.41 | *** join/#debian ntz (~dpecka@opensuse/member/dpecka) |
| 17:13.45 | ntz | hello |
| 17:13.45 | greycat | Yeah, it's also transitional due to the mysql -> mariadb thing. |
| 17:14.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1367] by debhelper |
| 17:14.06 | greycat | mysql-server depends on default-mysql-server which in turn depends on mariadb-server-10.1 |
| 17:14.09 | g0zzy | Yes, but what do we treat it as now? |
| 17:14.11 | dob1 | hi, there is some doc to how to make jorunal persistent? related to debian, on google I find only forums |
| 17:14.18 | greycat | so the one you want to purge is mariadb-server-10.1 |
| 17:14.26 | g0zzy | OK. Will try thanks |
| 17:14.31 | ntz | do you know about some GUI text editor for linux, that supports highlighting (by different colour) multiple patterns ? |
| 17:14.53 | *** join/#debian brw (~brw@47.185.175.211) |
| 17:15.07 | jelly | dob1: basically you just need to mkdir /var/log/journal and reboot |
| 17:15.37 | jelly | ntz: what do you mean by "multiple patterns" |
| 17:15.52 | *** join/#debian rnmhdn (~rnmhdn@unaffiliated/rnmhdn) |
| 17:15.53 | greycat | To be fair, those forums you found would probably also work for Debian. Debian uses systemd pretty much unchanged from upstream, other than moving stuff from /usr/lib/ to /lib/. |
| 17:16.21 | jelly | ntz: searching for two different things and having both highlighted at the same time? |
| 17:16.38 | dob1 | jelly, no need to set max size or whatever? I was reading about this |
| 17:17.01 | ntz | jelly: yes |
| 17:17.07 | *** join/#debian [bma] (~bma]@cpc114424-sout9-2-0-cust1628.20-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 17:17.17 | ntz | like for example notepad++ can do, or ms word |
| 17:18.00 | ntz | you just select by mouse some pattern and in right click floating menu you can click on `highlight with style 1' or such like |
| 17:18.16 | ntz | or you can select from predefined colours or even from palette |
| 17:19.20 | *** join/#debian Tralfaz (~none@185.156.175.59) |
| 17:20.12 | *** join/#debian Phizzy (~Phillip@host-92-19-234-97.static.as13285.net) |
| 17:20.49 | *** join/#debian Ryushin (~Ryushin@windwalker.chrisdos.com) |
| 17:20.53 | ntz | jelly: https://susepaste.org/3f5f4cb7 |
| 17:21.00 | ntz | ^^ notepad++ in wine |
| 17:21.20 | jelly | also has notepad++ in wine for some reason |
| 17:22.01 | ntz | jelly: for me only this ability for highlighting multiple selections ... otherwise I use kate or kwrite since I am kde user ... |
| 17:22.32 | ntz | but gedit, another `big five' editor doesn't have this ability .. no plugin making so |
| 17:23.40 | jelly | no idea, I usually use grep on logs. |
| 17:23.44 | jelly | or splunk |
| 17:23.46 | jelly | hides |
| 17:23.48 | *** join/#debian tymczenko (~tymczenko@unaffiliated/tymczenko) |
| 17:23.59 | *** part/#debian a0z (~a0z@217.72.118.243) |
| 17:25.10 | *** join/#debian conta1 (~Thunderbi@ip-89-177-107-196.net.upcbroadband.cz) |
| 17:26.11 | *** join/#debian vivid (~ViViD@unaffiliated/vivid) |
| 17:27.16 | *** join/#debian aaii (~aaii@31.58.238.252) |
| 17:28.18 | *** join/#debian hyper_ch (~hyper_ch@openvpn/user/hyper-ch) |
| 17:29.18 | hyper_ch | Hi, I'm having issues to debootstrap stretch... it keeps telling me that it can't get release file but the url provided opens just fine in the browser https://paste.simplylinux.ch/view/raw/f35d66db |
| 17:29.27 | *** join/#debian Kevlar_Noir (~lexou@73.70.197.77.rev.sfr.net) |
| 17:31.26 | jelly | hyper_ch: which os/release is the host? |
| 17:31.34 | jelly | or which version of debootstrap |
| 17:31.37 | hyper_ch | stretch live cd |
| 17:31.47 | jelly | is dns working? |
| 17:31.55 | *** join/#debian brw (~brw@47.185.175.211) |
| 17:31.56 | hyper_ch | yes |
| 17:32.05 | nyov | http_proxy= / |
| 17:32.07 | nyov | ? |
| 17:32.11 | *** join/#debian zleap (~zleap@host5-81-247-33.range5-81.btcentralplus.com) |
| 17:32.11 | *** join/#debian zleap (~zleap@unaffiliated/zleap) |
| 17:32.14 | *** join/#debian cdown (~cdown@130.215.broadband18.iol.cz) |
| 17:32.15 | hyper_ch | apt installed openssh-server just fine and zfs |
| 17:32.22 | jelly | hyper_ch: what happens if you debootstrap "stretch" and not "stable"? |
| 17:32.30 | hyper_ch | jelly: same |
| 17:32.48 | jelly | !which deb.debian.org |
| 17:32.48 | dpkg | To work out which CDN you are using through deb.debian.org: dig +short srv _http._tcp.deb.debian.org |
| 17:33.01 | *** part/#debian pja (~phil@2a02:8010:6098:0:f2de:f1ff:fe2c:3d9) |
| 17:33.08 | nyov | does debootstrap --verbose help? |
| 17:33.26 | hyper_ch | dig is part of which package? |
| 17:33.32 | greycat | dnsutils |
| 17:33.59 | *** join/#debian ripdog (~ripdog@233.203.185.35.bc.googleusercontent.com) |
| 17:34.04 | hyper_ch | jelly: 10 1 80 prod.debian.map.fastly.net. |
| 17:34.41 | hyper_ch | greycat: thx |
| 17:35.11 | *** join/#debian mthe878 (~mthe@unaffiliated/mthe) |
| 17:35.21 | jelly | bah, that's a cdn again so not conclusive |
| 17:36.13 | nyov | wellllll, just try it against a static mirror before debugging some possible cdn faults? :P |
| 17:36.34 | hyper_ch | curl -o xxx http://... gave me moved to http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/Release |
| 17:36.52 | jelly | that ought to be fine |
| 17:36.54 | *** join/#debian jmarsac (~jmarsac@lfbn-1-7129-38.w90-116.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 17:37.00 | hyper_ch | when I run debootstrap --verbose --arch=amd64 stretch /mnt http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian/ I get the same result again |
| 17:37.21 | *** join/#debian mandeep (~mandeep@unaffiliated/mandeepb) |
| 17:37.25 | hyper_ch | https://paste.simplylinux.ch/view/raw/810e9fd1 |
| 17:37.32 | jelly | hyper_ch: and what does cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org resolve to for you? |
| 17:37.45 | hyper_ch | when I curl now that fastly one cand cat it, I get the package list |
| 17:37.53 | *** join/#debian Tomoki (~Tomoki@75.167.120.100) |
| 17:38.03 | hyper_ch | jelly: the original deb.debian.net said it moved to the fastly site |
| 17:38.43 | nyov | maybe get creative with some debootstrap options then. |
| 17:39.10 | jelly | debootstrap --download-only --arch=amd64 stable ./mnt http://deb.debian.org/debian/ # wfm but... |
| 17:39.14 | nyov | just guessing, but perhaps gpg fault? --download-only --no-check-gpg --no-check-certificate ... |
| 17:39.28 | *** join/#debian AimHere (~David@cpc132308-sgyl43-2-0-cust150.know.cable.virginm.net) |
| 17:39.59 | jelly | hyper_ch: what does "dig +short cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org" say? |
| 17:40.16 | jelly | but even if it's the same IP as here, the IP might be anycast |
| 17:40.35 | dob1 | ok I enabled the persistent log, but why it has to be disabled by default? |
| 17:41.05 | *** join/#debian diogenes_ (~diogenes_@host-static-89-43-171-47.moldtelecom.md) |
| 17:41.29 | jelly | dob1: probably because it's easier than choosing some random maximum size |
| 17:41.40 | jelly | as default |
| 17:42.03 | *** join/#debian brw_ (~brw@47.185.175.211) |
| 17:42.16 | *** join/#debian qqx (~qqx@pug.qqx.org) |
| 17:42.20 | dob1 | jelly, they are in binary format now with systemd, there will be some rotation ? |
| 17:43.01 | hyper_ch | prod.debian.map.fastly.net. |
| 17:43.02 | hyper_ch | 151.101.12.204 |
| 17:43.28 | *** join/#debian jfoy (~jfoy@50.237.87.162) |
| 17:43.57 | *** join/#debian necrose99 (~necrose99@unaffiliated/necrose99) |
| 17:44.19 | hyper_ch | so, how to use debootstrap now? |
| 17:44.22 | *** join/#debian pagetelegram (~pageteleg@172.58.56.178) |
| 17:44.30 | jelly | right, same ip address as here but that's not saying much |
| 17:44.39 | jelly | hyper_ch: try a country mirror. |
| 17:45.47 | jelly | http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ or whatever |
| 17:45.55 | hyper_ch | jelly: https://paste.simplylinux.ch/view/raw/fba77534 |
| 17:45.56 | hyper_ch | same |
| 17:48.48 | jelly | guess you'll have to use verbosity and debug then |
| 17:49.01 | *** part/#debian diogenes_ (~diogenes_@host-static-89-43-171-47.moldtelecom.md) |
| 17:49.26 | hyper_ch | jelly: verbose doesn't change anything |
| 17:49.51 | *** join/#debian mzf (~fakhraee@unaffiliated/mzf) |
| 17:50.41 | *** join/#debian [bma] (~bma]@cpc114424-sout9-2-0-cust1628.20-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 17:51.11 | hyper_ch | jelly: I can curl the file just fine https://paste.simplylinux.ch/view/raw/ded2b672 |
| 17:52.28 | *** join/#debian MACscr (~MACscr@c-98-215-100-46.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 17:54.10 | *** join/#debian quipa (~Maxim@bl15-11-214.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 17:54.19 | *** join/#debian DrWatson (~DrWatson_@p200300D1F7072F103E9509FFFE961793.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 17:54.39 | *** join/#debian thunderrd (~thunderrd@110.78.148.121) |
| 17:54.43 | hyper_ch | any suggestion? |
| 17:55.21 | hyper_ch | is there a way to provide the release file manually? |
| 17:55.37 | pagetelegram | Lost connection and not sure my question got through. It is a public interest project a group in Chicago are working on. Question here: https://paste.simplylinux.ch/view/840765ce |
| 17:55.53 | *** join/#debian krabador (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) |
| 17:56.28 | *** join/#debian zerotech (~zerotech@2a00:ee2:4f05:6200::23) |
| 17:56.45 | *** join/#debian NerdTheThird (~NerdTheTh@unaffiliated/nerdthethird) |
| 17:58.46 | *** join/#debian Fenwick17 (9393b78b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.147.183.139) |
| 17:59.00 | *** join/#debian NerdTheThird (~NerdTheTh@unaffiliated/nerdthethird) |
| 17:59.12 | *** join/#debian Halcy0n (~Hal9000@47.208.87.238) |
| 17:59.39 | Fenwick17 | Currently trying to install latte-dock in my KDE Debian build. Ran into a few issues and noticed the github page says "We recommend that you use at least Plasma 5.12.0" which I do not have yet. Anyone got much success getting it working on Plasma version prior to that? |
| 18:00.33 | hyper_ch | even the example in the manpages fails https://manpages.debian.org/jessie/debootstrap/debootstrap.8.en.html ---> debootstrap wheezy ./wheezy-chroot http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian |
| 18:01.01 | *** join/#debian noodlepie (~Phill@188.29.164.200.threembb.co.uk) |
| 18:02.46 | *** join/#debian noodlepie (~Phill@188.29.164.200.threembb.co.uk) |
| 18:04.38 | jelly | hyper_ch: look at, and pastebin the contents of /mnt/debootstrap/debootstrap.log |
| 18:05.01 | hyper_ch | jelly: it segfaults |
| 18:05.43 | jelly | what does? |
| 18:05.45 | jelly | wget? |
| 18:05.58 | hyper_ch | https://paste.simplylinux.ch/view/raw/1969e6cc |
| 18:06.09 | *** join/#debian magicberry (~ok@189.175.174.202) |
| 18:06.37 | hyper_ch | yeah, wget seems to segfault... just tried to wget google.com --> segfault |
| 18:06.39 | *** join/#debian ikarosuusi (~karosin@mobile-access-5d6a65-187.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 18:07.34 | *** join/#debian brw (~brw@47.185.175.211) |
| 18:07.37 | jelly | your live image may be broken, reboot and try again? |
| 18:07.44 | hyper_ch | https://paste.simplylinux.ch/view/raw/29e3238c |
| 18:08.15 | *** join/#debian fkboy9000 (~fkboy9000@185.65.134.162) |
| 18:09.26 | jelly | hyper_ch: how much RAM does this machine have? Maybe there's not enough to boot and comfortably work with livecd |
| 18:09.41 | hyper_ch | 32gb |
| 18:10.15 | *** join/#debian faw (~faw@unaffiliated/faw) |
| 18:10.16 | jelly | boot it with "toram" boot parameter next time, let it slurp in and cache the whole image |
| 18:10.30 | hyper_ch | no idea what you mean |
| 18:10.45 | jelly | to can pass boot parameters when booting live cd |
| 18:10.49 | jelly | you* can |
| 18:11.50 | hyper_ch | how? I'm now at the grub (?) main menu for the live cd |
| 18:12.14 | jelly | instead of pressing enter to choose an entry and start booting, press e |
| 18:12.29 | hyper_ch | does not do anything |
| 18:12.40 | *** join/#debian xcm (~xcm@ipa210.225.tellas.gr) |
| 18:12.42 | hyper_ch | debian-live-9.5.0-amd64-kde |
| 18:12.53 | hyper_ch | couldn't find a live cd without gui |
| 18:13.06 | jelly | maybe it's not grub but isolinux, dunno. I don't remember how adding boot params to isolinux worked |
| 18:13.20 | pagetelegram | what deb package contains maim? |
| 18:13.33 | jelly | hyper_ch: can you press Tab key? Or just start typing toram |
| 18:13.53 | jelly | judd: file bin/maim |
| 18:13.58 | judd | Search for bin/maim in stretch/amd64: maim: usr/bin/maim |
| 18:14.21 | *** join/#debian kxze (~kxze@189-039-044-068.static.spo.ctbc.com.br) |
| 18:14.26 | jelly | pagetelegram: ^ the eponymous package |
| 18:14.38 | pagetelegram | thanks jelly |
| 18:14.58 | *** join/#debian baloona (~baloona@2a02:8070:4b7:f100:e955:3b4a:e95e:8cce) |
| 18:15.01 | jelly | I'm being silly. It's just also called maim |
| 18:15.15 | *** join/#debian clasick (~clasick@59.96.220.13) |
| 18:15.30 | pagetelegram | referenced by another package according to deb8 |
| 18:15.32 | clasick | why does debian's kde come with so many unnecessary packages? |
| 18:15.41 | greycat | ,v maim |
| 18:15.43 | judd | Package: maim on amd64 -- stretch: 3.3.41-1+b1; buster: 5.5.2-1; sid: 5.5.2-1 |
| 18:15.49 | greycat | It's not in jessie. |
| 18:16.01 | *** join/#debian [bma] (~bma]@cpc114424-sout9-2-0-cust1628.20-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 18:16.06 | pagetelegram | gotcha, I'm afraid an upgrade will break what I got |
| 18:16.18 | *** join/#debian noodlepie (~Phill@188.29.164.200.threembb.co.uk) |
| 18:16.23 | pagetelegram | brb |
| 18:16.30 | *** join/#debian srg_____ (~srgg@2a02:c7d:8066:1f00::e23) |
| 18:16.31 | greycat | ,checkbackport maim |
| 18:16.32 | judd | Backporting package maim in sidâstretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch. |
| 18:16.39 | greycat | oops, forgot... |
| 18:16.51 | greycat | ,checkbackport maim --torelease jessie |
| 18:16.53 | jelly | pagetelegram: right, avoid doing release upgrades on the only remaining working computer |
| 18:16.59 | judd | Backporting package maim in sidâjessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: slop. |
| 18:17.21 | greycat | ,checkbackport maim --torelease jessie --fromrelease stretch |
| 18:17.22 | judd | Backporting package maim in stretchâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 18:17.33 | greycat | OK, you might be able to backport it from stretch to jessie. |
| 18:17.33 | *** join/#debian kxze (~kxze@189.39.44.68) |
| 18:18.07 | *** join/#debian fray_ (~fray@178.112.207.162.wireless.dyn.drei.com) |
| 18:18.11 | *** join/#debian l1nuxg33k (uid322116@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xqbjowbryadvrrls) |
| 18:18.18 | jelly | ,i maim |
| 18:18.20 | judd | Package maim (x11, optional) in stretch/amd64: takes screenshts of your desktop. Version: 3.3.41-1+b1; Size: 25.8k; Installed: 76k; Homepage: https://github.com/naelstrof/maim |
| 18:18.27 | jelly | or use an alternative. |
| 18:18.31 | *** join/#debian oish (~charlie@159.22.169.217.in-addr.arpa) |
| 18:18.32 | jelly | scrot |
| 18:18.34 | hyper_ch | jelly: tab seems to have worked |
| 18:18.35 | *** join/#debian dr_gonzo (~dr_gonzo_@ip-88-152-205-48.hsi03.unitymediagroup.de) |
| 18:19.11 | greycat | I use scrot fairly often. Not sure if maim has some extra features that he needs. Scrot is fairly minimalist. |
| 18:19.27 | jelly | there's probably a dozen tools that capture screenshots |
| 18:19.56 | *** join/#debian slack_ (~slack@2001:8a0:dfcf:c01:b1e2:e02a:d7a7:321) |
| 18:20.32 | kxze | I personally use flameshot for screenshots. It's pretty good |
| 18:20.33 | *** join/#debian OS-41676 (~OS-41676@p5DDD240B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 18:20.47 | *** join/#debian zerotech (~zerotech@2a00:ee2:4f05:6200::23) |
| 18:21.06 | hyper_ch | jelly: what does toram actually do? |
| 18:21.13 | *** join/#debian side^effects (~al|iss@gateway/tor-sasl/aliss/x-63218493) |
| 18:22.39 | *** join/#debian noodlepie (~Phill@92.40.249.207.threembb.co.uk) |
| 18:23.14 | jelly | hyper_ch: reads the whole compressed filesystem from the cd/dvd image into RAM, so that one can run any command in the image without having to access the media later |
| 18:23.32 | hyper_ch | this is so slow :( |
| 18:23.55 | *** join/#debian [bma] (~bma]@cpc114424-sout9-2-0-cust1628.20-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 18:24.16 | *** join/#debian n_1-c_k (~nick@2a02:8010:63a6::70) |
| 18:24.20 | jelly | wait a couple minutes at boot, then can get rid of the usb stick or whatever possibly unreliable media you booted from |
| 18:24.55 | hyper_ch | jelly: its being loaded remotely from me |
| 18:25.01 | hyper_ch | and I think it failed |
| 18:25.31 | hyper_ch | jelly: https://images.sjau.ch/img/2c7790a4.png |
| 18:25.53 | jelly | if you're on remote mgt and have crappy upload it's going to be horrible |
| 18:26.07 | hyper_ch | I have gigabit upload |
| 18:26.26 | jelly | and yet it failed |
| 18:27.20 | jelly | hyper_ch: I'd use grml.org live cd instead of debian, it's debian based, relatively small, and has many useful tools available by default |
| 18:28.20 | trysten | is it just that samba is devloped by europeans? |
| 18:28.39 | trysten | It feels like everything is documented strangely |
| 18:28.41 | *** join/#debian Phizzy (~Phill@94.197.121.151.threembb.co.uk) |
| 18:28.44 | jelly | trysten: people in #samba might confirm or deny that |
| 18:30.22 | *** join/#debian earthundead (~earthunde@188.170.80.17) |
| 18:31.08 | *** join/#debian jhutchins_wk1 (~jonathan@corp.cdc.nicusa.com) |
| 18:31.52 | jelly | hyper_ch: those errors on the console kind of sound like your connectivity is a bit unreliable |
| 18:32.09 | hyper_ch | my connection is acutally pretty good :( |
| 18:32.14 | trysten | i'm pulling my hair out trying to get samba stuff to work on stretch that i have no problem with on jessie. I've read the changelogs and i've been reading debug output from smbclient for a while. Does anyone know about some kind of compatability table for smbclient etc? |
| 18:33.25 | jelly | hyper_ch: there are many steps between your home and that machine hosted at hetzner |
| 18:33.38 | *** join/#debian [bma] (~bma]@cpc114424-sout9-2-0-cust1628.20-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 18:33.46 | *** join/#debian hjubal (~hjubal@unaffiliated/hjubal) |
| 18:35.53 | *** join/#debian P1ersson (~P1ersson@h-46-161.A165.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 18:36.41 | *** join/#debian a0z (~a0z@217.72.118.243) |
| 18:37.10 | *** join/#debian pagetelegram (~pageteleg@172.58.56.178) |
| 18:37.41 | *** part/#debian g0zzy (~goose@host31-54-143-130.range31-54.btcentralplus.com) |
| 18:37.47 | jelly | hyper_ch: maybe you have too GOOD a connection and it's their network that is losing bits! |
| 18:37.52 | *** join/#debian [bma] (~bma]@cpc114424-sout9-2-0-cust1628.20-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 18:38.07 | jelly | hyper_ch: or maybe you just got dealt a machine with crappy hw |
| 18:38.21 | hyper_ch | jelly: thx |
| 18:38.39 | jelly | hyper_ch: maybe run memtest86 / memtest86+ |
| 18:39.00 | nyov | hyper_ch: what are you actually trying to achieve there. debootstrapping a hetzner server? |
| 18:39.04 | *** join/#debian schu-r (~Thunderbi@82-149-107-2.wco.wellcom.at) |
| 18:39.13 | jelly | wget segfaulting is weird |
| 18:39.30 | *** join/#debian [bma] (~bma]@cpc114424-sout9-2-0-cust1628.20-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 18:40.17 | *** join/#debian mandeep (~mandeep@unaffiliated/mandeepb) |
| 18:40.17 | jelly | hyper_ch: grml also has a kind of nice grml-debootstrap and grml-chroot wrappers |
| 18:43.23 | *** join/#debian kampsun (~hendrik@unaffiliated/kampsun) |
| 18:43.38 | *** join/#debian jhutchins_wk (~jonathan@corp.cdc.nicusa.com) |
| 18:44.30 | *** join/#debian qqz (~elm@194-118-138-203.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 18:45.08 | qqz | I am running Debian 9 and want to install a brother printer driver which is 32bit |
| 18:45.28 | qqz | The manual tells me to install ia32-libs or lib32stdc++ |
| 18:45.52 | qqz | but actually dpkg complains about the 32bit architecture |
| 18:46.01 | qqz | what can I do? |
| 18:46.49 | *** join/#debian diniwed (~gavron@ool-182c80a4.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 18:47.37 | *** join/#debian deadz0 (~deadz0@24.137.83.214) |
| 18:48.04 | greycat | ia32-libs is very old |
| 18:48.07 | jelly | !multiarch |
| 18:48.07 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
| 18:48.32 | jelly | qqz: first try to see if the vendor maybe has 64bit builds now on their web site |
| 18:49.28 | qqz | no it does not have a 64 bit build for the printer drivers |
| 18:50.07 | *** join/#debian slack_ (~slack@2001:8a0:dfcf:c01:302c:df9:1a94:14ff) |
| 18:50.17 | *** join/#debian vvor (~vvor@bzq-79-181-246-156.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 18:50.22 | jelly | if they don't, you can install lib32stdc++6:amd64, or enable "i386" as above and install ia32-libs which pulls in a LOT of libraries |
| 18:50.44 | greycat | I think you mean lib32stdc++6:i386 |
| 18:51.03 | greycat | or... no, wait. |
| 18:51.21 | greycat | I was thinking of libstdc++6:i386 |
| 18:51.38 | greycat | yours has a 32 stuck in the middle of it for some reason. never saw that before. |
| 18:52.57 | *** join/#debian vvor (~vvor@bzq-79-181-246-156.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 18:54.03 | *** join/#debian Xyroz1ne (~X9r0z1n3@194.44.253.30) |
| 18:54.28 | *** join/#debian TyrfingMjolnir (~Tyrfing@62.92.82.250) |
| 18:57.32 | *** join/#debian P1ersson_ (~P1ersson@h-46-161.A165.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 18:58.51 | *** join/#debian grobi (~rtng@x5ce299e0.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 18:58.52 | *** join/#debian bertbob (~bertbob@reriding.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 19:02.11 | *** join/#debian Xyroz1ne (~X9r0z1n3@194.44.253.30) |
| 19:02.31 | hyper_ch | jelly: trying again with toram option but this time from another server at hetzner |
| 19:02.45 | *** join/#debian kchz (~dschulz@187.60.209.98) |
| 19:04.27 | *** join/#debian zleap (~zleap@host5-81-247-33.range5-81.btcentralplus.com) |
| 19:04.27 | *** join/#debian zleap (~zleap@unaffiliated/zleap) |
| 19:04.31 | qqz | yes, that has worked for me; thx. |
| 19:04.59 | *** join/#debian current (~current@185.159.156.6) |
| 19:06.29 | *** join/#debian nix64bit (~Thunderbi@197.155.4.163) |
| 19:06.49 | *** join/#debian veg (~veg@82.64.16.145) |
| 19:06.49 | *** join/#debian veg (~veg@unaffiliated/veg) |
| 19:08.44 | *** join/#debian noodlepie (~Phill@92.40.249.187.threembb.co.uk) |
| 19:11.20 | *** join/#debian vidarr (~vidr@unaffiliated/vidr) |
| 19:11.35 | *** join/#debian tom_ash_ (~tom_ash@2a02:a311:c005:5700:39e4:1572:6325:122a) |
| 19:14.54 | *** join/#debian frikinz (~me@unaffiliated/luser) |
| 19:15.44 | *** join/#debian autofsckk (~autofsckk@unaffiliated/autofsckk) |
| 19:15.48 | *** join/#debian jmarsac (~jmarsac@lfbn-1-7129-38.w90-116.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 19:15.51 | *** part/#debian autofsckk (~autofsckk@unaffiliated/autofsckk) |
| 19:18.08 | *** join/#debian warai_otoko (~warai_oto@185.156.174.171) |
| 19:19.31 | *** join/#debian mason (~mason@redhat/mason) |
| 19:19.40 | *** join/#debian him-cesjf (~cesjf@unaffiliated/himcesjf) |
| 19:20.25 | *** join/#debian Xyroz1ne (~X9r0z1n3@194.44.253.30) |
| 19:24.18 | *** join/#debian dreamon (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) |
| 19:24.28 | *** join/#debian ddybing (~ddybing@ti0090a400-4281.bb.online.no) |
| 19:24.35 | ddybing | Hi! Has anyone used dislocker? |
| 19:24.49 | *** join/#debian autofsckk (~autofsckk@unaffiliated/autofsckk) |
| 19:24.56 | *** part/#debian autofsckk (~autofsckk@unaffiliated/autofsckk) |
| 19:26.08 | *** join/#debian grumble (~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble) |
| 19:26.13 | *** join/#debian bertbob (~bertbob@reriding.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 19:27.12 | *** join/#debian Renari (~Renari@70.15.18.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) |
| 19:28.48 | *** join/#debian mandeep (~mandeep@unaffiliated/mandeepb) |
| 19:29.50 | *** join/#debian grobi (~rtng@x5ce299e0.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 19:32.28 | *** join/#debian noodlepie (~Phill@92.40.249.187.threembb.co.uk) |
| 19:33.44 | *** join/#debian bozza (~bozza@unaffiliated/bozza) |
| 19:35.49 | *** join/#debian Lxrowe (~Lxrowe@101.178.229.25) |
| 19:36.47 | *** join/#debian cateye (~cateye@iam.cateye.hu) |
| 19:38.58 | *** join/#debian hjubal (~hjubal@unaffiliated/hjubal) |
| 19:41.52 | *** join/#debian mzf (~fakhraee@unaffiliated/mzf) |
| 19:42.13 | *** join/#debian jon_x1111116 (~jon_x@190.148.39.11) |
| 19:42.44 | *** join/#debian bertbob (~bertbob@reriding.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 19:43.20 | *** join/#debian wobeling1rs (~wobelinge@tmo-104-241.customers.d1-online.com) |
| 19:44.08 | *** join/#debian NerdTheThird (~NerdTheTh@unaffiliated/nerdthethird) |
| 19:44.52 | *** join/#debian project2501a (~project25@lopsa/member/project2501a) |
| 19:46.09 | *** join/#debian jnavila (~jnavila@82-64-51-39.subs.proxad.net) |
| 19:47.05 | *** join/#debian grafdiffuzor (~Victor@93.100.157.112) |
| 19:47.09 | *** join/#debian noln (~noln@151.70.1.191) |
| 19:47.13 | *** join/#debian spackle259 (~spackle25@207.244.78.96) |
| 19:48.33 | *** join/#debian pringau (~pringau@gateway/tor-sasl/pringau) |
| 19:51.49 | *** join/#debian redips (~spider@186.85-84-79.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) |
| 19:53.09 | *** join/#debian DrWatson (~DrWatson_@tmo-107-107.customers.d1-online.com) |
| 19:53.32 | *** join/#debian mzf (~fakhraee@unaffiliated/mzf) |
| 19:57.22 | *** join/#debian mtn (~mtn@unaffiliated/mtn) |
| 19:57.53 | *** join/#debian oish (~charlie@159.22.169.217.in-addr.arpa) |
| 19:59.11 | *** join/#debian Spr1ng (~Spr1ng@unaffiliated/spr1ng) |
| 20:00.51 | *** join/#debian ghost43 (~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer) |
| 20:01.14 | *** join/#debian Tralfaz (~none@185.156.175.59) |
| 20:02.58 | *** join/#debian mzf (~fakhraee@unaffiliated/mzf) |
| 20:05.00 | *** join/#debian Brigo (~Brigo@249.59.27.77.dynamic.reverse-mundo-r.com) |
| 20:07.40 | *** join/#debian bites (~bites@unaffiliated/bites) |
| 20:09.34 | *** join/#debian mzf (~fakhraee@unaffiliated/mzf) |
| 20:09.47 | *** join/#debian soee (~soee@user-94-254-224-26.play-internet.pl) |
| 20:11.13 | *** join/#debian Phizzy (~Phill@92.40.249.197.threembb.co.uk) |
| 20:12.29 | *** join/#debian soee_ (~soee@user-5-173-136-28.play-internet.pl) |
| 20:13.22 | *** join/#debian f10 (~flo@ip5b410c40.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) |
| 20:14.16 | *** join/#debian daica (~daica@unaffiliated/daica) |
| 20:14.25 | *** join/#debian andykay (~AndyKay@unaffiliated/andykay) |
| 20:15.03 | *** join/#debian Satou (~jjj@86.125.229.16) |
| 20:15.29 | *** join/#debian current (~current@185.159.156.6) |
| 20:15.57 | *** join/#debian slv (~slv@209.6.49.147) |
| 20:16.51 | *** join/#debian [bma] (~bma]@cpc114424-sout9-2-0-cust1628.20-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 20:17.36 | *** join/#debian nadley (~quassel@fon85-1-88-122-46-5.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 20:18.52 | *** join/#debian relaxed (~relaxed@unaffiliated/relaxed) |
| 20:19.35 | *** join/#debian hjubal (~hjubal@unaffiliated/hjubal) |
| 20:19.45 | *** join/#debian rcm888 (~rcm888___@94.140.230.171) |
| 20:20.17 | *** join/#debian GrimKriegor (~GrimKrieg@a95-95-139-168.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 20:21.00 | at0m | !anyone |
| 20:21.01 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 20:21.48 | kxze | !smart questions |
| 20:21.48 | dpkg | Asking the right question can be hard, and effective communication is easier if you give us extra information. https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html has some suggestions. The key points are: tell us what you actually did and what you were trying to achieve, provide the full command and full output in a <pastebin>. |
| 20:22.10 | at0m | kxze: you can also /msg dpkg <item> |
| 20:22.15 | *** join/#debian mzf (~fakhraee@unaffiliated/mzf) |
| 20:22.28 | kxze | I'll keep that in mind, ty |
| 20:22.31 | *** join/#debian kryl (~kryl@dynggepcrak-241-5-66-105.inwitelecom.net) |
| 20:24.18 | kryl | Quelqu'un sait comment "refaire" une table des partitions si la partition unique prenait tout l'espace du disque et qu'elle n'a pas été touchée ? Sachant que cette partition était chiffée avec dm-crypt (sans LUKS) ! |
| 20:24.39 | greycat | !fr |
| 20:24.39 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 20:25.33 | *** join/#debian rcm888 (~rcm888___@94.140.230.171) |
| 20:27.13 | *** join/#debian _joes_ (~quassel@santoroj.plus.com) |
| 20:27.15 | *** join/#debian CaptainN (zelda@050-090-160-125.res.spectrum.com) |
| 20:27.15 | *** join/#debian CaptainN (zelda@unaffiliated/captainn) |
| 20:28.52 | *** join/#debian Elirips (~Elirips@84-72-42-3.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 20:28.52 | *** join/#debian mzf (~fakhraee@unaffiliated/mzf) |
| 20:28.58 | *** join/#debian Nekojimi (~jimj316@unaffiliated/jimj316) |
| 20:30.16 | *** join/#debian m_g_lewis (~melvin@2601:541:8200:97a3:9cd7:a5a5:239f:cec9) |
| 20:31.19 | *** join/#debian polo51 (~polo51@2603:3020:18ef:5000:f972:7010:3d9f:fd5) |
| 20:32.27 | *** join/#debian noodlepie (~Phill@94.197.120.107.threembb.co.uk) |
| 20:32.56 | *** join/#debian qif (~felix@2.155.73.203.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 20:32.58 | *** join/#debian voidSurfr (~voidSurfr@199.21.163.10) |
| 20:33.23 | *** join/#debian Elirips_ (~Elirips@84-72-42-3.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 20:34.41 | kryl | Oups, I broke the bootsector (and the main table partition) of my HD, the whole first primary partition was crypted with dm-crypt. The data may be intact, and I know the password :-) . Is there a way to re-create the main partition ? |
| 20:34.44 | *** join/#debian diniwed (~gavron@ool-182c80a4.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 20:35.12 | *** join/#debian mzf (~fakhraee@unaffiliated/mzf) |
| 20:35.40 | greycat | If you simply mean the partition table, you can recreate the partitions *exactly* as they were before, and then things ought to work. But you would have to know the exact starting and ending points. |
| 20:36.33 | kryl | that's it... and I don't know how to find them. |
| 20:37.30 | *** join/#debian treehug88 (~textual@pool-71-183-234-240.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) |
| 20:37.31 | *** join/#debian Elirips (~Elirips@84-72-42-3.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 20:37.34 | *** join/#debian Elirips_ (~Elirips@84-72-42-3.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 20:37.49 | *** join/#debian polo51_ (~polo51@c-73-245-160-179.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 20:37.54 | kryl | I did it with fdisk, by removing and creating again a first partition with the full size of the HD (it was the case before) but in automatic mode and it was unsuccessful |
| 20:38.08 | *** join/#debian Elirips (~Elirips@84-72-42-3.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 20:38.10 | *** join/#debian Elirips_ (~Elirips@84-72-42-3.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 20:38.21 | greycat | in the olden days, you had to reboot after modifying the partition table; I don't know whether that's still true |
| 20:38.55 | *** join/#debian mrig (~mrig@unaffiliated/mrig) |
| 20:40.07 | kryl | I don't know too but I tried after rebooting in case of and it's still unsuccessful |
| 20:40.29 | kryl | and it's an external USB HD so it's not difficult to unplug it... |
| 20:41.46 | rcm888 | btrfs is not supported by grub2 / os-prober? |
| 20:41.51 | *** join/#debian kampsun (~hendrik@unaffiliated/kampsun) |
| 20:41.51 | *** join/#debian polo51__ (~polo51@MAIL.EDUPROSERVICES.COM) |
| 20:41.55 | *** join/#debian dArK_IcE (~lawl@a95-93-184-169.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 20:42.39 | rcm888 | hellllooou |
| 20:42.56 | *** join/#debian BlueByte (~walther@grimbart-cable.blackx.net) |
| 20:44.13 | kryl | with hexdump on /dev/sdb1 I get : 00000000 eb 52 90 4e 54 46 53 20 20 20 20 00 02 08 00 00 |.R.NTFS .....| |
| 20:45.12 | *** join/#debian polo51 (~polo51@2603:3020:18ef:5000:e9ff:cf0:9f9c:bd0b) |
| 20:46.38 | karlpinc | kryl: I'm a little late here but generally the wise first step is to dd the whole drive to another drive. And then try to recover the backup. |
| 20:47.13 | *** join/#debian Phizzy (~Phill@92.40.249.169.threembb.co.uk) |
| 20:47.35 | *** join/#debian elevated (~elevated@gateway/tor-sasl/elevated) |
| 20:47.46 | kryl | karlpinc, I know but it's 2TB :p |
| 20:47.58 | *** join/#debian [bma] (~bma]@cpc114424-sout9-2-0-cust1628.20-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 20:48.34 | kryl | I guess LUKS have headers but not dm-crypt raw... And maybe creating a new partition with testdisk (ntfs)... erased the first bytes of the crypted data ? |
| 20:49.26 | *** join/#debian TomasCZ (~TomasCZ@yes.tenlab.net) |
| 20:49.50 | *** join/#debian soee (~soee@user-5-173-136-28.play-internet.pl) |
| 20:50.45 | *** join/#debian akko (~posi@gateway/tor-sasl/akko) |
| 20:51.54 | Antares_ | Споки ÑÑбки! |
| 20:51.55 | *** join/#debian bozza_ (~bozza@2a02:908:696:74a0:b45b:59ab:8596:c645) |
| 20:52.35 | *** join/#debian terr_ (~terr@66.18.218.43) |
| 20:56.07 | rcm888 | btrfs is not supported by grub2 / os-prober? |
| 20:57.07 | at0m | !ru |
| 20:57.08 | dpkg | ÐÑо английÑкоговоÑÑÑий канал, пожалÑйÑÑа, говоÑиÑе по-английÑки или поÑеÑиÑе #debian-russian (irc.oftc.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 20:57.23 | *** join/#debian tymczenko (~tymczenko@unaffiliated/tymczenko) |
| 20:58.33 | greycat | rcm888: I don't know. Try running it yourself, as root. The only documentation seems to be /usr/share/doc/os-prober/README |
| 21:00.15 | *** join/#debian patterson_ (patterson@c-73-222-114-221.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 21:00.38 | *** join/#debian stefanc_diff (~stefanc_d@cpc97944-croy24-2-0-cust250.19-2.cable.virginm.net) |
| 21:03.17 | *** join/#debian fstd (~fstd@unaffiliated/fisted) |
| 21:06.08 | rcm888 | how to delete apt source (grub2) |
| 21:06.35 | greycat | That makes no sense. What are you trying to do? |
| 21:06.56 | rcm888 | greycat, I dont understand where did I installed sources for grub2 |
| 21:07.23 | greycat | *If* you installed them, then you can simply remove the directories and files that "apt-get source" created for you. |
| 21:07.30 | rcm888 | greycat, I did: sudo apt source grub2 |
| 21:07.43 | greycat | OK, just remove whatever it created. No special steps required. |
| 21:07.48 | rcm888 | greycat, /usr/share/doc/os-prober/README |
| 21:07.57 | rcm888 | sorry |
| 21:08.01 | rcm888 | greycat, pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission denied) |
| 21:08.16 | *** join/#debian pagetelegram (~pageteleg@2601:249:b00:b66a::d7aa) |
| 21:08.24 | greycat | By the way, you do NOT have to be root to run apt-get source (or apt source). It writes to the current working directory. |
| 21:08.40 | rcm888 | greycat, I dont know what has it created |
| 21:09.02 | greycat | Then do nothing. It can't be very much disk space. |
| 21:09.23 | greycat | tries it |
| 21:09.31 | *** join/#debian fstd (~fstd@unaffiliated/fisted) |
| 21:09.44 | greycat | It's 64 megabytes. Bigger than I thought it would be, but not a terrible burden. |
| 21:09.47 | rcm888 | greycat, I installed sources as root, I need to fix it |
| 21:09.56 | greycat | It's just FILES. You can just DELETE THEM. |
| 21:09.58 | greycat | Jeeeez. |
| 21:10.02 | rcm888 | greycat, any idea how to do that? |
| 21:10.05 | greycat | rm |
| 21:10.46 | greycat | those files: http://paste.debian.net/1047979/ |
| 21:10.51 | greycat | wherever you were when you ran it |
| 21:11.48 | *** join/#debian fstd_ (~fstd@unaffiliated/fisted) |
| 21:11.56 | rcm888 | greycat, I found them in /etc ... why? shouldnt it be /src??? |
| 21:12.27 | *** join/#debian bolovanos (~bolovanos@91.201.22.5) |
| 21:12.27 | *** join/#debian buttros_ (~buttros_@ppp091138173084.access.hol.gr) |
| 21:12.32 | greycat | IT WRITES THEM TO THE CURRENT WORKING DIRECTORY |
| 21:12.52 | greycat | You are supposed to be in your $HOME or wherever you want to examine and work with the source code when you run the command. As NON-root. |
| 21:13.01 | rcm888 | greycat, ok. but it is wtupid |
| 21:13.08 | greycat | Then don't run it again. |
| 21:14.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1360] by debhelper |
| 21:15.17 | *** join/#debian zyley (~zyley@unaffiliated/zyley) |
| 21:16.29 | rcm888 | greycat, ah ok, but why not /usr/src? similar to /usr/sbin/... |
| 21:16.46 | greycat | Because you can't write to /usr/src as your normal login account. |
| 21:16.50 | greycat | It runs AS YOU. |
| 21:16.53 | greycat | It writes to WHERE YOU ARE. |
| 21:16.57 | greycat | You run it AS NON-ROOT. |
| 21:17.21 | rcm888 | greycat, how about sbin per user? |
| 21:17.43 | *** join/#debian ghost43 (~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer) |
| 21:24.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1353] by debhelper |
| 21:28.33 | *** part/#debian terr_ (~terr@66.18.218.43) |
| 21:28.42 | *** join/#debian terr_ (~terr@66.18.218.43) |
| 21:31.06 | *** join/#debian buttros_ (~buttros_@ppp091138173084.access.hol.gr) |
| 21:31.48 | *** join/#debian xcm (~xcm@ipa210.225.tellas.gr) |
| 21:33.24 | *** join/#debian mzf (~fakhraee@unaffiliated/mzf) |
| 21:34.02 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1346] by debhelper |
| 21:34.53 | *** join/#debian ghost43 (~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer) |
| 21:35.46 | *** join/#debian krabador_ (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) |
| 21:37.31 | *** join/#debian bertbob (~bertbob@reriding.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 21:42.40 | *** join/#debian ogre14t (~ogre14t@199.30.208.131) |
| 21:44.26 | *** join/#debian quite (quite@unaffiliated/quite) |
| 21:45.58 | *** join/#debian xcm (~xcm@ipa210.225.tellas.gr) |
| 21:47.19 | *** join/#debian elios (~tba@unaffiliated/elios) |
| 21:47.44 | *** join/#debian Buliarous (~gypsydang@unaffiliated/buliarous) |
| 21:48.06 | *** join/#debian Thedarkb-M90 (~Thedarkb3@86-42-4-12-dynamic.agg3.kny.prp-wtd.eircom.net) |
| 21:48.12 | *** join/#debian bmlzootown (~bmlzootow@unaffiliated/bmlzootown) |
| 21:48.17 | *** join/#debian nwe (~nwe@sigwait.se) |
| 21:49.32 | *** join/#debian ibex (~ibex@74.221.67.206) |
| 21:50.40 | *** join/#debian wtflux (~wtflux@67-131-112-171.dia.static.qwest.net) |
| 21:51.35 | *** join/#debian ramshadow (ramshadow@dotlan.net) |
| 21:51.43 | *** join/#debian fakefur (~fakefur@ip5b40e1e5.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) |
| 21:51.55 | *** join/#debian terr_ (~terr@66.18.218.43) |
| 21:55.18 | *** join/#debian mzf (~fakhraee@unaffiliated/mzf) |
| 21:55.29 | *** join/#debian rwtrecs (~rwtrecs@187.123.3.144) |
| 21:55.29 | *** join/#debian rwtrecs (~rwtrecs@unaffiliated/rwtrecs) |
| 21:56.10 | *** join/#debian Mutter (~Mutter@37.186.136.156) |
| 21:56.11 | *** join/#debian Mutter_ (~Mutter@37.186.136.156) |
| 21:58.27 | *** join/#debian dez (uid92154@fedora/deSouza) |
| 21:59.28 | *** join/#debian billiecd (~billied@athedsl-267170.home.otenet.gr) |
| 22:00.35 | *** join/#debian [bma] (~bma]@cpc114424-sout9-2-0-cust1628.20-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 22:05.19 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 22:05.20 | dpkg | <ttuttle> I mean, Gentoo's cool, but I need to get on with my life for a little while (college). |
| 22:11.55 | *** join/#debian alpha (~alpha@cpc112681-nmal22-2-0-cust726.19-2.cable.virginm.net) |
| 22:13.13 | *** join/#debian Adbray (~Adbray@2600-6c48-6f7f-e285-f449-61e6-c9fb-d9f7.dhcp6.chtrptr.net) |
| 22:14.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1340] by debhelper |
| 22:20.01 | *** part/#debian terr_ (~terr@66.18.218.43) |
| 22:21.25 | *** join/#debian Terrell (~terr@66.18.218.43) |
| 22:23.24 | *** join/#debian rander2 (~fd@151.32.98.64) |
| 22:23.28 | rander2 | hello |
| 22:24.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1331] by debhelper |
| 22:32.44 | *** join/#debian n_1-c_k (~nick@2a02:8010:63a6::70) |
| 22:34.32 | *** join/#debian bertbob (~bertbob@reriding.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 22:35.46 | *** join/#debian daniel-s (~daniel-s@123-243-122-96.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 22:36.01 | Terrell | testing |
| 22:37.13 | buttros_ | Hello everyone! I have a problem, when I try to change the default browser using command line, it always opens firefox esr when I click a link |
| 22:37.37 | *** join/#debian blakkheim (~bh@unaffiliated/blakkheim) |
| 22:37.55 | *** join/#debian jfoy (~jfoy@50.237.87.162) |
| 22:38.53 | Terrell | looks like I can send to channel now that I have registered my Nick. I have not been here for a few years. I am looking to install Debian in a winders (uggh) box and want to be able to both boot into winders and run it in a VM. Why I want to be able to boot at this point is beyond me... and in fact maybe I don't want to do this. But I do want to be able to run Winders in a VM (Probably VMWare and possible VirtualBox) I need some config tips. Last time |
| 22:38.53 | Terrell | I did this was 1998 and I might be a bit rustry |
| 22:39.48 | Terrell | versions - windows 7 pro. Possibly windows 7 home and windows 10. |
| 22:40.18 | *** join/#debian kampsun (~hendrik@unaffiliated/kampsun) |
| 22:41.46 | Terrell | I also want bootable USB (or other media) because I want to be able to run in gypsy mode (removable media w/o using a screw driver) and I expect to do this very seldomly. I just need to be able to run some decent image editing software and last I looked at GIMP it was not strong enough |
| 22:41.53 | *** join/#debian CyberHacker (~CyberHack@gateway/tor-sasl/cyberhacker) |
| 22:42.19 | *** join/#debian slack_ (~slack@2001:8a0:dfcf:c01:68ca:98e2:8413:b2d7) |
| 22:42.38 | *** part/#debian a0z (~a0z@217.72.118.243) |
| 22:45.56 | *** join/#debian DirkS (~DirkS@b2b-130-180-51-242.unitymedia.biz) |
| 22:46.09 | *** join/#debian emucla (~emucla@190.221.116.91.dynamic.reverse-mundo-r.com) |
| 22:47.38 | *** join/#debian emucla (~emucla@190.221.116.91.dynamic.reverse-mundo-r.com) |
| 22:47.38 | rant | modern versions of windows make that nearly impossible, if not impractical as they dont allow switching hardware randomly and drastically |
| 22:47.58 | *** part/#debian blakkheim (~bh@unaffiliated/blakkheim) |
| 22:48.23 | Terrell | I wont need to switchnhardware very often unless a cpu or MB breaks |
| 22:48.32 | rant | yes you will |
| 22:48.34 | *** join/#debian emucla (~emucla@190.221.116.91.dynamic.reverse-mundo-r.com) |
| 22:48.41 | Terrell | why? |
| 22:48.46 | *** join/#debian krabador (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) |
| 22:48.47 | rant | every time you boot on the native hw or the VM it'll be a totally different computer |
| 22:48.55 | rant | and WGA will try lock you out |
| 22:49.16 | rant | unless you wanna run their util and wipe your profile and go through windows setup every time like you changed machines |
| 22:49.40 | rant | the EULA is only good for one machine |
| 22:50.00 | *** join/#debian pagetelegram (~pageteleg@2601:249:b00:b66a::d7aa) |
| 22:50.16 | rant | as far as windows would be concerned you'd be booting it routinely on two different machines when you only have a lisc to run it on one |
| 22:50.36 | rant | you'd need to have two seperate windows installs if you want to dual boot and run it in a vm |
| 22:51.02 | Thedarkb-M90 | GIMP is probably good enough if you have enough experience with it |
| 22:51.06 | rant | or you can just do what I do, not use windows.. install debian, run games or w/e in crossover |
| 22:51.20 | *** join/#debian tagomago (~tagomago@static-15-170-229-77.ipcom.comunitel.net) |
| 22:51.38 | rant | GIMP is pretty good.. but its not Photoshop.. even though it can run photoshop plugins.. |
| 22:51.40 | Terrell | I don't run games and I have 5 machines. |
| 22:52.06 | rant | Photoshop can do crap like change filter settings on a filter you applied 10 steps back without undoing everything you've done since |
| 22:52.32 | Terrell | If I have windows installed in a partition then I should be able to mount and run it ina VM right? |
| 22:52.38 | rant | absolutely not |
| 22:52.43 | Terrell | what??? |
| 22:52.48 | rant | technically, yes.. |
| 22:52.53 | rant | but microsoft doesnt allow it |
| 22:53.04 | rant | and it wont work right because the VM has completely different hardware |
| 22:53.04 | Thedarkb-M90 | I don't think Terrell cares about the EULA |
| 22:53.20 | rant | its not a matter of the EULA, its about WGA and the way windows is designed |
| 22:53.30 | rant | as soon as it sees its on different hw you get the BSOD |
| 22:53.35 | rant | or at least a WGA lockout |
| 22:53.41 | Thedarkb-M90 | You can run it in a VM though |
| 22:53.45 | Thedarkb-M90 | That's not against the TOS |
| 22:53.56 | rant | yeah, if you're not also running that very same install on the actual HW |
| 22:54.02 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1324] by debhelper |
| 22:54.16 | rant | you can't run a single windows install on two different machines |
| 22:54.29 | rant | unless they're identical |
| 22:54.44 | rant | and even then, really modern UEFI systems could tell the difference |
| 22:54.56 | Thedarkb-M90 | You can set up two identical QEMU instances, you know. |
| 22:55.02 | Terrell | Thedarkb-M90, you got that right! I got sstuck with 3 licensed verions of 4.0 And I intend to use one of them in a VM. But I need to be able to use image files coming from my daughter. She does not multiboot. |
| 22:55.02 | rant | but you may fool XP, Vista, 7 or such |
| 22:55.50 | Thedarkb-M90 | I have no ethical qualms about cracking Windows since an XP install deactivated itself for no reason and wouldn't let me log in to fix it. |
| 22:56.12 | rant | unless I am understanding this wrong, then you are misunderstanding that the question is can you dual boot AND run the VERY SAME dual-boot instal in a VM |
| 22:56.26 | Thedarkb-M90 | Yes, comfortably. |
| 22:56.41 | *** join/#debian Adbray (~Adbray@2600-6c48-6f7f-e285-f449-61e6-c9fb-d9f7.dhcp6.chtrptr.net) |
| 22:56.45 | Thedarkb-M90 | and I don't think that's what he wants. |
| 22:56.57 | Terrell | Ya. I had that happen with NT 4.0. My son downloaded his assignment from UNI. It took me a week file by file to get the machine back up and running. M$ owes me big time. |
| 22:57.21 | Terrell | Does not have to be the same install. |
| 22:57.41 | Thedarkb-M90 | Just run Debian and install Windows in a VM |
| 22:57.49 | Thedarkb-M90 | It won't crap out, honest. |
| 22:57.55 | rant | or just run debian, and not windows |
| 22:57.59 | Terrell | I already have 7 pro 7 home and 64 bit 10 instralled in 4 machines. |
| 22:58.22 | rant | installing your graphics software in some form of wine would be way more portable and use way less resources |
| 22:58.49 | Terrell | I expect to just be running Debian. I did for years. Last multiboot was 1998 and I never bootted windows once. |
| 22:59.58 | rant | Adobe Photoshop 7 and Photoshop CS4 for example have a 5/5 star rating of supported by crossover |
| 23:00.15 | Terrell | I wasn't too conserned about resources. THe 64 bit machines are loaded and I plan on using 32 bit windows to run the image editing software. |
| 23:00.16 | rant | requires no VM overhead, the bottles can be exported easily |
| 23:01.05 | Terrell | Oh boy! It is Photoshop I need to use. Possibly illustrator as well and I was going to try PaintShopPro |
| 23:01.34 | Terrell | I looked at Crossover years ago. |
| 23:01.50 | rant | well plain ol wine could run it too |
| 23:02.02 | Terrell | I just want to figure out how to get Debian in and preserve the functionality I already paid for. |
| 23:02.16 | *** join/#debian Adbray_ (~Adbray@2600-6c48-6f7f-e285-f449-61e6-c9fb-d9f7.dhcp6.chtrptr.net) |
| 23:02.20 | Terrell | wine was not up to speed in 1998 |
| 23:02.47 | Terrell | I sort of stopped all windows apps about then |
| 23:02.48 | rant | https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?iId=17&sClass=application |
| 23:02.58 | rant | https://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/search?name=photoshop |
| 23:03.01 | Terrell | I'll get to WINE later. |
| 23:04.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1318] by debhelper |
| 23:04.37 | *** join/#debian NerdTheThird (~NerdTheTh@unaffiliated/nerdthethird) |
| 23:04.40 | Terrell | right now I have 2 windows 7 machines (32 bit) and 2 windows 10 machines (64 bit). I was thinking shrink the partitions and install DEBIAN in partition #s 2 3 4 etc. These are NTFS formats so far (AFAIK) |
| 23:05.09 | Terrell | If I just get Debian installed on a bottable USB it will be a good start. |
| 23:05.09 | *** join/#debian slack_ (~slack@2001:8a0:dfcf:c01:4cc7:dff:b304:7d79) |
| 23:05.59 | *** join/#debian [bma] (~bma]@cpc114424-sout9-2-0-cust1628.20-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 23:06.25 | Terrell | I think USB are formatted with either FAT32 or FATEX. how well does Linux like this format? |
| 23:06.54 | rant | it doesnt matter, the installer will repartition and reformat |
| 23:07.22 | *** join/#debian crisu (crisu@crisu.fi) |
| 23:07.30 | rant | for things to work properly, at least certain directories must have posix style permissions |
| 23:08.06 | rant | ext4 is the default these days in Debian |
| 23:09.05 | *** join/#debian LionHeart-Z (2f24afc8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.47.36.175.200) |
| 23:10.35 | *** join/#debian cCkw (~ejakuk@gateway/tor-sasl/cckw) |
| 23:10.36 | *** join/#debian [bma] (~bma]@cpc114424-sout9-2-0-cust1628.20-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 23:10.46 | Terrell | Okay. That works. I have 4, 16, 32, and 64 GB USB flash availlable. Which size would you suggest for a GYPSY debian boot |
| 23:10.47 | LionHeart-Z | Hi everyone |
| 23:11.18 | Terrell | ya. I noted that. I have not experiance with EXT4. Last was EXT3 and it did everything I needed. |
| 23:11.29 | Terrell | Hi LionHeart-Z |
| 23:11.43 | *** join/#debian tuv (~quassel@37.247.48.135) |
| 23:11.43 | *** join/#debian tuv (~quassel@unaffiliated/tuv) |
| 23:12.59 | LionHeart-Z | Hi Turrel I am typing from Firefox in Android . so excuse my spelling and autocorrects |
| 23:13.16 | *** join/#debian cybercrypto (~cybercryp@177.183.74.95) |
| 23:13.37 | *** join/#debian mzf (~fakhraee@unaffiliated/mzf) |
| 23:13.38 | LionHeart-Z | Currently I am in need of support |
| 23:14.10 | mutante | !ask |
| 23:14.10 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 23:14.26 | *** join/#debian tomman (~tomman@190.79.19.129) |
| 23:14.34 | LionHeart-Z | After I forced shutdown my hanged laptop that was doing apt dist-upgrade |
| 23:14.55 | LionHeart-Z | The OS could.no.longer.boot with error "no init found" |
| 23:15.44 | Terrell | LionHeart-Z, I did not know you could access IRC from firfox in android! I just installed hexChat in a winders box |
| 23:16.30 | Terrell | Okay. Yoy need to sync your intird file. It contains device drivers not found in the boot image. look up mkinitrd |
| 23:16.35 | LionHeart-Z | You can, but it is ackward to type and the fonts are small |
| 23:16.42 | mutante | LionHeart-Z: maybe it could help to boot from a CD and run fsck on the hard disk |
| 23:16.49 | *** part/#debian tomman (~tomman@190.79.19.129) |
| 23:17.10 | LionHeart-Z | Hi mutante. I have Debian with Btrfs |
| 23:17.42 | Terrell | mutante, most likely mismatchined initrd file. It contains a mountable memory emulated floppy. They NEVER DID FIX the docs. I ran into this in 1996 |
| 23:17.55 | *** join/#debian colinjmatt (~colinjmat@matthews-co.uk) |
| 23:18.10 | mutante | oops, ok. i had no idea :) |
| 23:18.17 | *** join/#debian [bma] (~bma]@cpc114424-sout9-2-0-cust1628.20-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 23:18.21 | *** join/#debian tomman (~tomman@190.79.19.129) |
| 23:18.27 | Terrell | rant, what size USB flash drive would you suggest. |
| 23:18.41 | *** join/#debian Kevlar_Noir (~manjaro-u@73.70.197.77.rev.sfr.net) |
| 23:18.48 | mutante | i just saw other users had the "no init found" fixed by running fsck from live cd.. admittedly that was on ubuntuforums |
| 23:18.48 | LionHeart-Z | I didn't say ot.yet. not your fault mutante |
| 23:18.52 | tomman | hi there |
| 23:18.57 | tomman | I have a headless box doing duty as a router with Jessie, and noticed lwresd is installed and running |
| 23:19.05 | tomman | I do run bind9 as a caching DNS server |
| 23:19.12 | tomman | do I really need lwresd up and running? |
| 23:19.23 | Terrell | mutante, neither did the consulant both the uni and I hired. We figured it out separetly within hours of each other after facing computers in panic mode for a week |
| 23:19.29 | tomman | I'm trying to slim down RAM usage and disable unneded stuff |
| 23:20.12 | *** join/#debian Penguin_ (~xwQ5kwYl6@our.systems.are.full.of.penguins.at.penguinsystems.net) |
| 23:20.14 | *** join/#debian mzf (~fakhraee@unaffiliated/mzf) |
| 23:20.22 | *** join/#debian noobineer (~noobineer@2601:401:8280:5958:ce4:85b0:50fd:d46) |
| 23:20.35 | Terrell | tomman, I don't know. I run OpenBSD on my firewalls... now on a PCEngines Alix board. 3 nics |
| 23:20.38 | LionHeart-Z | I posted a.thread in Ubuntuforums but I have yet to receive a reply |
| 23:20.42 | LionHeart-Z | https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2403931 |
| 23:21.02 | at0m | tomman: "caching-only name server" you can live without that, if it's in your DNS requests chain you'll need to reroute requests though |
| 23:21.10 | tomman | Terrell: I can't even find proper documentation about what exactly lwresd does |
| 23:21.26 | Terrell | this should be added to the error message in the kernel. Lord hopw many extra chars to do it? |
| 23:21.27 | at0m | tomman: i got that from apt show lwresd |
| 23:21.28 | tomman | IIRC I didn't even had installed it on Wheezy, prior to my Jessie upgrade |
| 23:21.45 | tomman | at0m: so it should be safe to disable/uninstall? |
| 23:22.09 | Terrell | tomman, I don't have a linux machine running at the moment. Stuck with the windows boat anchore until I get Debian 9 up. |
| 23:22.11 | at0m | i wouldnt uninstall it immediately, but stop it and see what starts to fail, if anything |
| 23:22.25 | tomman | will try that then |
| 23:22.31 | *** join/#debian lanelet (~lanelet@cpe-174-109-244-56.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 23:22.32 | tomman | my setup is as barebones as it could be |
| 23:22.46 | Terrell | at0m. What a bold idea! |
| 23:22.49 | tomman | bind9, Samba, dhcp server and client |
| 23:22.59 | tomman | oh, and CUPS for printing |
| 23:24.12 | at0m | tomman: if you're looking to free RAM, i don't think you'll save much disabling a cachine dns server |
| 23:24.23 | at0m | *caching |
| 23:24.37 | *** join/#debian cereal_poster (~cereal_po@167.250.160.89) |
| 23:24.49 | tomman | at0m: Well, I know BIND loves using RAM, particularly when I use custom RPZ zones for adblocking purposes |
| 23:25.17 | tomman | so maybe saving RAM isn't the goal here, but disabling unused stuff (and reducing possible attack surface) is |
| 23:25.48 | tomman | but then this is an OLD Pentium thing with 128MB RAM, so every megabyte saved is great |
| 23:25.53 | at0m | it caches for bind, so you don't have to look up on the internet time on time again |
| 23:25.56 | at0m | ok |
| 23:26.02 | tomman | hmmm.... |
| 23:26.31 | at0m | tomman: then i suggest you stop it for now, or a couple weeks, and see how the LAN behaves |
| 23:26.47 | tomman | Will try playing with that then. |
| 23:26.58 | *** join/#debian mzf (~fakhraee@unaffiliated/mzf) |
| 23:27.17 | at0m | old pentium? saving on electricity bill can buy you a raspberry pi quick |
| 23:27.24 | Terrell | tomman, Looking into an Alix board. The electricity savings will pay for it in a year. |
| 23:27.32 | at0m | ^ |
| 23:27.44 | tomman | Terrell: In my country, the cost of electricity is not a concern |
| 23:27.55 | tomman | this thing has been serving well me for nearly a decade |
| 23:28.18 | tomman | but then, I'll have to consider another OS as Stretch no longer supports i586 targets |
| 23:28.40 | Terrell | I have a 32MB P1 ran the firwall just fine. For 20 years. |
| 23:29.06 | tomman | this thing is... |
| 23:29.12 | tomman | let's check /proc/cpuinfo |
| 23:29.37 | Terrell | Hmm Will the latest Debian support an Atom? 1.6 GHz |
| 23:29.49 | tomman | Pentium MMX @ 224.986 |
| 23:29.52 | tomman | MHz |
| 23:30.02 | Terrell | tomman. How do you get juice so cheap? |
| 23:30.05 | tomman | made sometime around 1997, I actually assembled |
| 23:30.20 | tomman | in 2007 or so, started doing router duties in 2009 |
| 23:30.28 | at0m | Terrell: sure it will run on an atom |
| 23:30.31 | tomman | Terrell: a wonderful place known as Soviet Venezuela |
| 23:30.38 | *** join/#debian dschreck (~dschreck@209.74.103.33) |
| 23:30.39 | tomman | I said "cheap", not "good" power |
| 23:30.48 | *** join/#debian awal1 (~awal1@modemcable251.103-162-184.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 23:31.02 | Terrell | ya that is an old machine. I had a 400mHz Celron and upgraded the CPU to a PIII tualatin core. Worked fine for 20 years |
| 23:31.16 | at0m | does TV watch you in Venezuela? cos it does in the Great West |
| 23:31.26 | tomman | at0m: I no longer have a working TV :/ |
| 23:31.53 | Terrell | Nothing on TV worth watching here in CANADA. |
| 23:32.02 | tomman | Internet access is cheap but you get what you pay for |
| 23:32.05 | at0m | tomman :/ |
| 23:32.14 | tomman | then the joys of hyperinflation, etc. |
| 23:32.27 | tomman | so your $20 Pi is completely unaffordable |
| 23:32.27 | Terrell | I pay too much. BUt I have fibre available now. |
| 23:32.43 | *** join/#debian colinjmatt (~colinjmat@matthews-co.uk) |
| 23:32.53 | tomman | hence why I have to take great care of my hardware, so this Pentium MMX rig will keep doing routing duties for the foreseable future |
| 23:33.02 | tomman | started as a geek experiment in the college dorms |
| 23:33.03 | at0m | tomman: i understand |
| 23:33.13 | Terrell | tomman, You guys have lots of oil. Problem is synthetics can be made for US$2.90 a US gallon |
| 23:33.15 | *** join/#debian mzf (~fakhraee@unaffiliated/mzf) |
| 23:33.23 | LionHeart-Z | I wonder if someone can help me.with this. |
| 23:33.29 | LionHeart-Z | https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2403931 |
| 23:33.30 | tomman | became a fulltime router (I do have a separate WiFi AP running DD-WRT, but I don't personally use WiFi devices) |
| 23:34.11 | *** join/#debian aypea[1] (~aypea@58.173.227.148) |
| 23:34.33 | tomman | Hmm, I stopped lwresd |
| 23:34.43 | tomman | no adverse effects noticed right now |
| 23:34.46 | at0m | tomman: now nslookup/dig some domains |
| 23:34.48 | tomman | will keep testing then |
| 23:35.31 | Terrell | If I could ship you equipment? I have a box of high end motherboards which will support probably younger than pentium 4. Pretty sure but I don't know which CPU's. I have several newer 32 bit boxen as well. |
| 23:35.38 | *** join/#debian Telvana (~digits@2600:1700:ad40:e060:2e4d:54ff:fe42:992e) |
| 23:35.39 | at0m | tomman: at best, possibly some response times go up. at worst, it sits in your bind chain and dns may fail |
| 23:36.00 | *** part/#debian aypea[1] (~aypea@58.173.227.148) |
| 23:36.04 | *** join/#debian aypea[3] (~aypea@58.173.227.148) |
| 23:36.07 | aypea[3] | is there a way to reinstall a package such that the old package is (effectively) completely removed and the new is installed afresh? I think the package install is borked for this package but other packages, that I don't want to uninstall, depend on it. |
| 23:36.47 | Terrell | aypea[3], ya. I would not trust it. |
| 23:36.49 | at0m | aypea[3]: can you reinstall the others, as well? |
| 23:37.00 | at0m | Terrell: do you actually use debian? |
| 23:37.01 | aypea[3] | i'd rather not risk their configs |
| 23:37.19 | Terrell | at0m, I have to get it installed. I used it for years. |
| 23:37.22 | tomman | at0m: on the clients I actually notice no difference, queries do take a couple seconds max |
| 23:37.36 | tomman | on the server (router) they're nearly instantaneous, tho. |
| 23:37.48 | tomman | (testing from a good ol' Win7 laptop) |
| 23:37.59 | Terrell | My "super" old version died a while back. I need to start over with a new install |
| 23:38.15 | at0m | tomman: cool. keep it at that for some time, and purge it if all continues to work next weeks =) |
| 23:38.18 | tomman | on another Debian Stretch client, I notice no slowdowns |
| 23:38.32 | Terrell | at0m, why do you ask? |
| 23:38.40 | tomman | yeah, I'll keep it disabled for a few days |
| 23:39.02 | at0m | Terrell: cos i saw above that you're installing it, so wasnt sure if you had any experience on it |
| 23:39.30 | at0m | tomman: mostly to be sure other caches have refreshed by reboots of the clients etc |
| 23:39.53 | *** join/#debian format_c (~koeppea@unaffiliated/format-c/x-8927423) |
| 23:40.17 | at0m | tomman: "Installed-Size: 856 kB" so that wont hurt much for now |
| 23:40.30 | Terrell | oh! Good point. My old versions are so old they won't handle the USB drivers and I had to get windows boxen. But they were $50 bux so no big deal. Next I have 64 bit machines to get running and I want to preserve the winders versions I paid for in case I need them. |
| 23:40.44 | *** join/#debian buzzzz_ (~buzzzz@r49-3-31-242.cpe.vividwireless.net.au) |
| 23:40.45 | tomman | I don't really mind size or RAM usage, all I wanted to know if I really need it and what it does |
| 23:41.25 | tomman | it's like ths instance of colord, which I KNOW is used by CUPS |
| 23:41.26 | *** join/#debian Ricardo__ (~rick@2804:14d:4c8f:979a::1) |
| 23:41.26 | *** join/#debian Ricardo__ (~rick@unaffiliated/ricardo--/x-7903455) |
| 23:41.40 | tomman | (and it uses only a few hundred KB RAM, so meh) |
| 23:42.01 | at0m | tomman: apt show lwresd and man lwresd will explain more on what it does |
| 23:42.02 | Terrell | at0m, Last time I was doing a fresh install I set up multiboot. OS/2 NT 3.51 NT4.0 and Debian. I never ended up booting other than into Linux. System run for years! |
| 23:42.56 | *** join/#debian slack_ (~slack@2001:8a0:dfcf:c01:bcb0:40ac:3e47:da32) |
| 23:43.27 | Terrell | at0m My bigger issue is supporting old periupherals. I have quite a lot of SCSI stuff still runnning |
| 23:43.40 | *** join/#debian dschreck (~dschreck@209.74.103.33) |
| 23:44.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1324] by debhelper |
| 23:44.07 | Terrell | at0m Believe it or not I have DOS software that is actually quite valuable. |
| 23:44.13 | at0m | Terrell: unlike commercial software, debian does great on old hw |
| 23:44.53 | tomman | heh, except that i486/i586 is no longer supported |
| 23:45.02 | tomman | not that you would run a full desktop enviroment on those |
| 23:45.13 | Terrell | ya. But that is not why I need it. I am going into Robotics (CNC equipemnt with a Smoothie Board) and I need a proper developm,ent platform. None of this windows junk. |
| 23:45.16 | tharkun | There is a way to change the default editor for the system. The config relies on symlinks yet I am unable to remember the name to change it. Can someome slap me on the right direction pleases? |
| 23:45.29 | tomman | (in fact, i've found MATE to be borderline unusable on P4s unless you really stuff them with some RAM) |
| 23:45.30 | patterson_ | I had a friend who could always out do me when it came to old hoopty hardware |
| 23:45.46 | tomman | I do have a 386SX-40 with 6MB RAM |
| 23:45.52 | tomman | always wanted to run Linux on that thing |
| 23:45.53 | Terrell | tomman, one should be able to recompile to the older instruction set |
| 23:46.15 | *** join/#debian Voldenet (~Voldenet@89-73-205-148.dynamic.chello.pl) |
| 23:46.15 | *** join/#debian Voldenet (~Voldenet@unaffiliated/voldenet) |
| 23:46.22 | tomman | never found a distro that could actually work there, and nobody bothers anymore, even if only for geekcred/lulz |
| 23:46.25 | tharkun | tomman: Let that have an honorfull death. Set some gasoline on it and light it with a match ;P |
| 23:46.33 | tomman | tharkun: nevar! |
| 23:46.42 | tomman | I recently had to use it to reflash a CDRW firmware! |
| 23:47.00 | Terrell | I think my friend Carmine still has his Commodor 64 |
| 23:47.18 | tomman | (drive is PATA, upgrader won't work over USB, and that's my only thing with available PATA ports) |
| 23:47.37 | patterson_ | Hopefully the C64 is a production machine |
| 23:48.02 | Terrell | tharkun, ya. But you think 20 YO hardware is ready for use as a boat anchore and if it were a lady I would call it a spring chicken! |
| 23:48.05 | tomreyn | LionHeart-Z: looking at what you posted to https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2403931 you seem to actually be running ubuntu (a debian derivate), not debian. so you were right to ask in #ubuntu |
| 23:48.37 | Terrell | patterson_, LOL. Ya. - well he runs 3000 core servers as well - on windows no less! Ugghh |
| 23:48.44 | tomman | well, I lied: I still have a working TV |
| 23:48.46 | *** join/#debian mzf (~fakhraee@unaffiliated/mzf) |
| 23:48.48 | tomman | but it isn't technically a TV |
| 23:48.55 | *** join/#debian slack_ (~slack@2001:8a0:dfcf:c01:a0bd:e5cb:95a4:bace) |
| 23:48.58 | tomman | but a old IBM Thinkcentre box from 2003 with a half-busted TV tuner |
| 23:49.02 | tomman | naturally it runs Debian |
| 23:49.06 | at0m | :) |
| 23:49.22 | at0m | pvr-150 or -250? =) |
| 23:49.24 | Terrell | LOL good one. |
| 23:49.27 | tomman | (the "TV tuner" part doesn't work anymore, but I have a sat box plugged to the Composite inputs) |
| 23:49.47 | tomman | nope, it's some noname Encore card (SAA713x chipset) |
| 23:50.04 | tomman | amazingly the card worked just fine, even the TV tuner bits |
| 23:50.09 | Terrell | tomman, you guys need to get your economy working again |
| 23:50.18 | at0m | got some of that, too, for DVB-S |
| 23:50.28 | tomman | it happens that a power surge over the CATV line fried the tuner (my cable provider REFUSES to recognize it has a problem) |
| 23:50.49 | at0m | Terrell: ranting on their politics isnt helping tomman |
| 23:51.00 | *** part/#debian aypea[3] (~aypea@58.173.227.148) |
| 23:51.19 | *** join/#debian t3xx3r (cc388701@gateway/web/freenode/ip.204.56.135.1) |
| 23:51.19 | tomman | if anyone cares, the card is a Encore ENLTV v5.3 |
| 23:51.27 | Terrell | My problem for right now is choosing a USB flash drive to install to. I have 4 8 26 32 and 64 GB here. Might want both 32 bit and 64 bit Debian and dual boot off the USB. Suggestions? |
| 23:51.37 | tomman | (the v5.3 part is important if you're actually looking for "just works" Linux compatibility) |
| 23:52.07 | agio | how do I show the questions posed by `dpkg-reconfigure <package>' ? this doesn't work: |
| 23:52.09 | agio | sudo debconf -show sysstat |
| 23:52.15 | at0m | Terrell: raspberry pi comes with 4GB and raspbian, i use 32GB cards |
| 23:52.16 | tomman | also I learned to avoid anything that says "silicon tuner" - those are awfully slow to switch channels |
| 23:52.50 | tomman | trained the remote controllers from my busted TVs to work with LIRC, and it works fine with tvtime |
| 23:52.53 | *** join/#debian electro33 (uid613@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mxmzrhwxsfkeogew) |
| 23:53.04 | tomman | technically I have a "smart TV" |
| 23:53.15 | at0m | tomman: o/ |
| 23:53.24 | t3xx3r | Is it possible to partition a 32GB usb flashdrive with different flavors of Linux without destroying any of the installation files? |
| 23:53.25 | tomman | ...except that mine DOES not spy on me, does NOT play Netflix, and runs Debian |
| 23:53.58 | at0m | tomman: i made my smart TV dumb cos its a liability, and use tuner cards for exactly that reason |
| 23:54.00 | awal1 | how can i make my commands, anyone, output stuff with less? |
| 23:54.15 | tomman | I did had to build my own tvtime .debs from scratch, tho |
| 23:54.46 | Terrell | t3xx3r, I am facing the same issues. I am looking to iunstall to USB |
| 23:55.05 | t3xx3r | @Terrell yeah, I was just wondering. |
| 23:55.07 | *** join/#debian mzf (~fakhraee@unaffiliated/mzf) |
| 23:55.20 | t3xx3r | @Terrell, I have a 32 GB usb flashdrive coming in through the mail. |
| 23:55.33 | at0m | noobs does multiple distro's on rpi's SD |
| 23:56.05 | at0m | https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/noobs/ |
| 23:56.15 | Terrell | t3xx3r, I have done multiboot before and might actually know because I did know the boot process... but that was 1998. Old style is still supported but there is a newer way that I just skimmed through. We need to write a howto |
| 23:56.50 | t3xx3r | @Terrell Yeah. 1998 may not seem very up to date today. What distro are you looking to install? |
| 23:56.52 | at0m | awal1: how do you mean, "output stuff with less"? |
| 23:57.01 | *** join/#debian dArK_IcE (~lawl@a95-93-184-169.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 23:57.24 | Terrell | t3xx3r, if you have different partitions then yes. Not too difficult. |
| 23:57.28 | t3xx3r | @at0m thanks! I'll keep that one in mind. |
| 23:57.38 | *** join/#debian dvs (~hibbard@cwv.teksavvy.com) |
| 23:57.43 | awal1 | at0m any command I execute I want the output shown via 'less' |
| 23:58.04 | t3xx3r | @Terrell how do you partition space for the USB drive? |
| 23:58.31 | *** join/#debian sleepingforest (~sleepingf@unaffiliated/sleepingforest) |
| 23:58.39 | awal1 | or always append | less at the end of the commands |
| 23:58.54 | *** join/#debian krytarik (~krytarik@xebian/developer/krytarik) |
| 23:58.56 | at0m | awal1: then pipe to less? long as the command is not interactive, that is. command | less |
| 23:58.58 | Terrell | t3xx3r, otherwise you need a COMMON file system over all verusions. The boot image address needs to be put into the boot manager. |
| 23:59.28 | awal1 | at0m, i know that, but tired appending it manually :P |
| 23:59.30 | *** join/#debian cybercrypto (~cybercryp@177.183.74.95) |
| 23:59.41 | t3xx3r | I plan on making my 32 USB drive completely Linux, not Windows. |
| 23:59.50 | t3xx3r | So it'll have different distros. Not all of them but just some of them |
| 23:59.58 | t3xx3r | Like, maybe 3 |
