| 00:00.00 | Terrell | t3xx3r, I have to run. Friend is here and we are going bee keeping. I did not know for sure he was coming over. ready linux multiboot how to. Its old but it explains the process in full... very good. google should find it for you. |
| 00:00.15 | t3xx3r | Thanks Terrell |
| 00:00.17 | t3xx3r | Have fun |
| 00:00.33 | Terrell | you can lift boot sectors with dd this is how you lift windows boot proceedure. |
| 00:01.11 | Terrell | ya were is my bee suit. mice ate one of my bee gloves |
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| 00:03.33 | at0m | awal1: if you run your commands in screen/tmux, you can always ^a,Esc and scroll back up in case you need it. or why do you need such "feature"? what are you trying to accomplish? |
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| 00:04.45 | awal1 | at0m, just a curiosity trying to learn more about bash |
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| 00:06.39 | Terrell | t3xx3r, ou can email albertagoldenhoney@nucleus.com Ill be back in a few hours. you can email me at jhllarson@gmail.com... cell |
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| 02:55.43 | agio | is noninteractive configuration of packages via debconf a functional part of debian? I get the feeling its pretty much abandoned and no longer maintained or expected to work ? |
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| 02:56.53 | agio | and debian users are generally expected to use other means/techniques to script out configuration of packages - would this be a roughly correct assessment? |
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| 03:13.10 | thither | Hey, my debian install (jessie) doesn't have the gnome settings application anymore. Why I search for it it's not there. When I click the settings icon in the top bar nothing happens. |
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| 03:26.48 | rant | ,v gnome-control-center |
| 03:26.49 | judd | Package: gnome-control-center on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.4.3.1-2; jessie: 1:3.14.2-3; stretch: 1:3.22.2-3; buster: 1:3.28.2-1; sid: 1:3.30.1-1 |
| 03:27.21 | rant | thither: try dpkg -l gnome-control-center |
| 03:27.28 | thither | rant, :P okay I installed it and all is well |
| 03:27.34 | thither | Not sure how I lost it in the first place |
| 03:28.13 | thither | thanks! |
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| 06:22.51 | Haohmaru | Q: if i take out the harddisk and plug it into a completely different computer (different motherboard/cpu/etc) - does my debian9 have high-ish chances to "just work" ? |
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| 06:25.03 | darxmurf | it's something I wondering too ^^ |
| 06:25.15 | n4dir | if at all: reinstall grub, edit /etc/fstab and remove /etc/udev/udev.d/*rules.net* (or similar). The former two i would assem: rather not |
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| 06:25.40 | darxmurf | never tried, then go for it but I would clone the disk on another one instead of to try, kill the system and won't be able to use it anymore on both computers :D |
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| 06:26.53 | Haohmaru | hm |
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| 06:27.18 | Haohmaru | what do you think has high chances to break? |
| 06:27.34 | n4dir | what i mentioned. |
| 06:27.50 | n4dir | wouldn't call that "break" though. |
| 06:27.59 | Haohmaru | i don't really understand that.. i know (sorta) what fstab is for |
| 06:28.24 | n4dir | fstab tells what is to be mounted. As it now uses UUID (or such), i would assume it will still be valid |
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| 06:28.45 | n4dir | i would also assume that grub is on the harddisk, but am never that sure about it. |
| 06:29.20 | n4dir | both can easily be fixed from a live CD (like said: in your case i assume it won't happen) |
| 06:29.26 | Haohmaru | i recently copied the partitions of a harddisk onto a bigger harddisk, and resized them, all in GParted, and then the debian on that thing ran like nothing happened |
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| 06:31.18 | Haohmaru | n4dir yes, grub is on the harddisk (where else could it be?) |
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| 06:31.48 | jelly | Haohmaru: it's likely to boot. If no new hardware requires extra non-free bits to work, things might work. Otherwise, you might have to reconfigure some things or add firmware where needed. |
| 06:31.50 | n4dir | i only tried to be cautious. W |
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| 06:32.43 | jelly | Haohmaru: I transplanted my Debian installation at home to about 5-6 new hardware platforms over the years |
| 06:32.58 | Haohmaru | jelly well, the biggest difference i know between the two is the cpu.. the current one is some dual-core AMD, the new one is intel i-<some_number> |
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| 06:33.16 | jelly | those are quite compatible |
| 06:33.22 | Haohmaru | noice |
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| 06:33.58 | Haohmaru | so gpu might be different and i might end up without drivers for it and no DE, but that's fixable in textmode, right? |
| 06:34.42 | jelly | yes |
| 06:34.55 | jelly | assuming network access works |
| 06:35.04 | Haohmaru | oh, right :/ |
| 06:35.47 | Haohmaru | maybe i should plug a debian live USB stick into the new PC to see what kind of stuff it has |
| 06:36.02 | darxmurf | you will have some funky things anyway :-) |
| 06:36.22 | jelly | NetworkManager has a nasty tendency to only initialize after successful (GUI) login |
| 06:36.51 | Haohmaru | in the live debian, i'd go to the desktop of course |
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| 06:37.04 | darxmurf | I would say "NetworkManager gas nasty tendencies *" |
| 06:37.05 | darxmurf | :D |
| 06:37.08 | darxmurf | has |
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| 07:13.44 | azamet | how to be a new born internet user |
| 07:14.16 | iron_houzi | After doing apt-get update && apt-get upgrade there's no update for libssh listed .. does anybody know why? T thought the 0-day would surely be available.. |
| 07:14.27 | iron_houzi | *0-day patch |
| 07:14.28 | jelly | ,v libssh2 |
| 07:14.29 | judd | No package named 'libssh2' was found in amd64. |
| 07:14.44 | jelly | wasn't there an update last week or so |
| 07:14.50 | Unit193 | ,v libssh2-1 |
| 07:14.51 | judd | Package: libssh2-1 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.4.2-1.1+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 1.4.2-1.1+deb7u2; jessie: 1.4.3-4.1+deb8u1; jessie-security: 1.4.3-4.1+deb8u1; stretch: 1.7.0-1; buster: 1.8.0-2; sid: 1.8.0-2 |
| 07:15.18 | jelly | iron_houzi: does this issue have a CVE number? |
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| 07:15.29 | iron_houzi | https://www.debian.org/security/2018/dsa-4322 |
| 07:16.34 | jelly | iron_houzi: so you have libssh installed at all? |
| 07:16.37 | jelly | ,v libssh |
| 07:16.39 | judd | No package named 'libssh' was found in amd64. |
| 07:16.59 | azamet | today someone said me even if i format my laptop google will know who i am and how to start completely as a new user in internet? |
| 07:17.40 | jelly | iron_houzi: apparently libssh and libssh2 are two completely different pieces of software. The main binary package for the one you're asking about is libssh-4 |
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| 07:18.21 | azamet | no one knows it? |
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| 07:19.27 | iron_houzi | OK .. so it's just an obscure bug?? Ars Technica made it sound like the end of time.. |
| 07:19.36 | iron_houzi | Thanks! |
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| 07:20.00 | n4dir | "every jackass on the road has got ideas" J. Joyce. azamet ( to put it different: those are difficult questions) |
| 07:20.03 | jelly | iron_houzi: it's relevant if you have an ssh _server_ based on that particular libssh source. |
| 07:20.44 | iron_houzi | jelly: Yup .. I thought all ssh servers were using libssh |
| 07:20.58 | azamet | even after formatting laptop changing mac address and hostname how to google knows that it is still me n4dir? |
| 07:21.04 | iron_houzi | ..and that all versions of libssh above 0.6 were affected |
| 07:21.16 | jelly | iron_houzi: no. openssh and dropbear each have their own implemention |
| 07:21.28 | iron_houzi | ohh |
| 07:22.11 | iron_houzi | jelly: Thanks for the clarification |
| 07:25.04 | n4dir | azamet: the best i can offer are speeches of Eben Moglen (on youtube, oh the irony). Doesn't answer your question, i guess, but at least are entertaining |
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| 07:27.35 | Haohmaru | azamet it's not impossible, you know |
| 07:27.38 | jelly | azamet: this isn't exactly a Debian-specific question, perhaps ask in ##security or find a privacy-oriented place |
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| 07:28.12 | azamet | i did already but no one could give me answer |
| 07:29.55 | jelly | well, perhaps there's no simple answer or the question is flawed |
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| 07:35.16 | azamet | so using victims insternet will also hide me from google? or still same? |
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| 07:39.22 | Haohmaru | google collects enough information so they can probably combine the different bits together to recognize you even if you throw away your laptop |
| 07:40.29 | rant | laptop? pfft.. they can read your mind.. they know what your next query is going to be already.. even if you don't |
| 07:41.22 | azamet | what if i never visit google gmail or somethings like that? |
| 07:41.40 | azamet | will the google analytics this time detect me? |
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| 07:42.12 | rant | you do realize those things are not just on google sites.. they're on virtually every site |
| 07:42.31 | rant | not to mention everyone is a spy now.. and all information is for sale |
| 07:42.45 | rant | and guess who has a lot of money.. |
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| 08:05.11 | azamet | i have NVMe and can i encrypt it or is it harmful to do it? |
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| 08:09.00 | rudi_s | azamet: Encrypting the hard disk is not harmful, especially if you configure LUKS to allow trim. However full disk encryption doesn't protect against a lot of threats. |
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| 08:09.21 | rudi_s | It only protects against your drive being stolen while your device is powered-down. |
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| 08:10.22 | Psy-Q | whee, the "snmp user gets removed forcibly on upgrade of package snmpd" bug i reported is getting fixed \o/ |
| 08:10.37 | Psy-Q | so i am a halfway useful human being (sometimes)! |
| 08:10.38 | rudi_s | azamet: Regarding tracking in the web, nothing helps against that. A website itself will very likely be able to identify you (based on your fonts, browser extensions, screen size, keyboard and mouse usage habits, etc.) |
| 08:11.04 | rudi_s | Tools like ublock origin and umatrix help against third parties tracking you, but not against the websites itself. |
| 08:11.30 | rudi_s | So while google.com still knows what you like to search for (and therefore much about you), at least it won't know (easily) which other websites you like to visit. |
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| 08:11.47 | rudi_s | (This won't help obviously if you always type the websites you visit in google. |
| 08:11.48 | rudi_s | ) |
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| 08:13.00 | azamet | im not planning to visit any site actually from laptop |
| 08:13.06 | azamet | but i want to use deepweb |
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| 08:14.15 | Psy-Q | if you use the Tor browser and keep its window size at the default, it will block e.g. canvas-based tracking bugs and all that, and you will just look like every other Tor user |
| 08:14.48 | Psy-Q | i think Tor even warns if you try to resize the window (i remember something from a while back, at least) |
| 08:15.11 | azamet | but the exit nodes shows still who i am right? |
| 08:16.55 | Psy-Q | well, you'll be "that one person coming out of exit node no. 78372994 just like those 50000 other people" |
| 08:17.22 | Psy-Q | i think that is the extent to which Tor works, but it's probably describe in better detail on the project site |
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| 08:19.07 | azamet | also in america it is easier to find that person but not on other countries right? because of technology from america is so big is it true how i think? |
| 08:20.14 | azamet | NSA is recording the exit nodes and NSA is in america that for im asking this |
| 08:21.33 | azamet | because im not in america does it make sense? |
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| 08:22.08 | Psy-Q | well, it's probably safe to say that on US territory NSA and friends operate a lot of Tor nodes, but if you're running from the NSA you also have to consider the Five Eyes states |
| 08:22.26 | Psy-Q | surely there are nodes running on Five Eyes territory that all members share access to |
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| 08:23.06 | azamet | what is Five Eyes territory? |
| 08:23.22 | azamet | is it something like NSA? |
| 08:23.25 | Haohmaru | google it.. oh wait ;P~ |
| 08:23.49 | Psy-Q | well, wikipedia it :) |
| 08:23.57 | azamet | yes now i did find it |
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| 08:24.02 | azamet | 5 country i see here |
| 08:24.03 | Psy-Q | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes |
| 08:24.10 | rant | !ot |
| 08:24.10 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 08:24.22 | azamet | so these countrys also haves something like NSA right? |
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| 08:24.40 | Psy-Q | yes, let's move that, or actually, you probably get some more in-depth advice on a privacy-focused channel |
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| 08:24.53 | geekodour08 | what is main non-free contrib in sources.list : https://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/sources.list |
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| 08:26.14 | azamet | germany is not in that list :S |
| 08:26.31 | azamet | means it germany not haves something like NSA? |
| 08:27.00 | rant | geekodour08: they are the sections, main includes only DFSG compliant software, contrib is software that is DFSG but requires non-dfsg components for example perhaps a console emulator that is GPL but requires proprietary roms, and non-free is entirely non-DFSG software |
| 08:28.01 | rant | geekodour08: firmwares for many hardware are non-free for example, because they do not have a DFSG compliant lisc |
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| 08:29.06 | azamet | wtf the five eyes thing is recording the vpn's and also if we use tor with vpn it is much more easier to detect him also :/ |
| 08:29.18 | rant | geekodour08: the DFSG (Debian Free Software Guidelines) is rather strict in its requirements but the Debian project is not so idealistic that it refuses to allow use of things that do not comply, so it instead seperates into 3 sections and allows its users to decide what they want to use.. |
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| 08:30.16 | rant | because not allowing use of such things would violate Debian's Social Contract and DFSG itself.. by restricting how you could use it |
| 08:30.25 | azamet | https://restoreprivacy.com/5-eyes-9-eyes-14-eyes/ |
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| 08:31.01 | azamet | i think my brain starting to burn :D |
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| 08:31.43 | Haohmaru | <paranoia_intensifies.gif> |
| 08:31.59 | rant | azamet: there are over a thousand nicks here, people actively asking Debian questions and getting support, I'm going to ask you again to try #debian-offtopic or perhaps join the ##philosophy-uncensored channel I moderate if you wanna discuss the social/scientific/philosophical aspects of such things, the regulars there enjoy such things.. |
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| 08:36.06 | airwind | hes been asking similar stuff in #kali-linux and ##security |
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| 08:51.06 | Psy-Q | oh, the myth that using a distro made for forensics and pentesting will improve your privacy? |
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| 08:56.34 | jelly | Psy-Q: isn't that kind of the opposite of privacy |
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| 09:00.05 | BCMM | but it's a "security" distro! and words never have multiple meanings! |
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| 09:02.39 | Psy-Q | :) |
| 09:02.53 | Psy-Q | i wonder why Qubes OS isn't better known in the paranoia circles |
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| 09:03.34 | Psy-Q | that and booting from that concept secure signed USB key that joanna rutkovska sketched, plus declawing your Intel ME would probably make people remove at least one third of the tinfoil on their heads |
| 09:03.34 | jelly | it is. This channel is not paranoia circles however. |
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| 09:03.38 | Psy-Q | yeah, true |
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| 09:04.52 | luxpir | hey all. samsung 970 evo nvme ssd on a pcie adapter board not showing as usable in deb. on a hp z600. not trying to make it bootable (people usually put boot partition on another drive afaik) |
| 09:05.14 | luxpir | although there is an nvme device showing under /dev/nvme0 now |
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| 09:06.00 | luxpir | I installed nvme-cli also, but for some reason its commands are invalid/not firing, even if it's installed |
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| 09:06.47 | JustASlacker | is there a way to select which php gets called on the shell ? |
| 09:07.12 | luxpir | (also disabled 'compute' for the pcie slot in the bios, and just for this boot now switched a SATA option from IDE to RAID+AHCI... fwiw |
| 09:07.17 | luxpir | ) |
| 09:07.23 | JustASlacker | guess thats part of alternatives |
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| 09:12.03 | luxpir | any nvme/z600 users here by any chance? |
| 09:13.00 | luxpir | oh dang, nvme-cli does work, I just have to sudo it. |
| 09:13.25 | luxpir | device correctly displaying there then. will follow that path. thanks for letting me rubber duck, folks. |
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| 09:14.37 | tarzeau | how would i go to enable/start zram (compressed memory)? ubuntu users have zram-config, and debian has bugs.debian.org/648249 |
| 09:14.38 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/648249 in wnpp (open): «RFP: zramswap-enabler -- Start/Stop swapping to zram»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2011-11-09; last modified: 2016-09-15. |
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| 09:32.31 | rant | spacedust: it should likely have happened automatically, via dkms |
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| 09:32.56 | rant | spacedust: is zfs-dkms installed |
| 09:33.13 | rant | spacedust: dpkg -l zfs-dkms |
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| 09:41.20 | spacedust | rant: if it doesnt happens automatically or it fails how can i manually reinstall it without remove + add again ? |
| 09:41.41 | rant | you can check if zfs-dkms is installed, and if not install it.. |
| 09:42.12 | rant | because you dont know how to do it manually, its important, you obviously need it.. so you want it to happen automatically.. and thats what dkms does |
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| 09:42.32 | rant | !dkms |
| 09:42.32 | dpkg | Dynamic Kernel Module Support (DKMS) is a framework for generating out-of-tree Linux kernel modules. Packages using DKMS build modules during installation and when updated Linux versions are installed, provided Linux kernel headers are present (these are not installed by dkms). DKMS-managed modules are installed to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/dkms/ . The module build log file is at /var/lib/dkms/$module/$version/build/make.log |
| 09:42.57 | rant | ,i zfs-dkms |
| 09:42.58 | judd | Package zfs-dkms (contrib/kernel, optional) in stretch/amd64: OpenZFS filesystem kernel modules for Linux. Version: 0.6.5.9-5; Size: 1054.4k; Installed: 7961k; Homepage: http://www.zfsonlinux.org/ |
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| 09:44.17 | rant | all you need is headers to match your running kernel and the zfs-dkms package and it'll take care of the rest |
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| 10:16.50 | geekodour08 | rant: okay, I understand it now. thanks |
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| 10:23.52 | rant | geekodour08: most editors will color code the sources list to show the components, first is the deb or deb-src for the binary or source packages, then the url, the branch, and then the sections, its all explained in man 5 sources.list |
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| 10:24.43 | project2501a | hey guys. is there a document somewhere describing the use of environmental modules with gcc? how to write environmental modules for different versions of a compiler or for different compilers? or the process by which the debian developers use the update-alternatives with gcc or other compilers? |
| 10:24.57 | rant | fwiw apropos is a command that searches the man pages, which are a valuable resource all systems have that can answer such questions |
| 10:26.21 | project2501a | also apropos is just an alias for man -k |
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| 10:27.02 | project2501a | the man page does not go deep enough into what i'm talking about. |
| 10:27.25 | rant | yeah I was following up on the questions about the sources.list but dually noted |
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| 10:31.05 | rant | project2501a: though your question is beyond the scope of debian user support, its not something our wiki or this channel could likely solve. You may want to head to OFTC and ask in a debian developer channel |
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| 10:41.19 | project2501a | rant: 10-4, wilco |
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| 10:45.30 | geekodour08 | rant: I am on a Ubuntu 16.04 machine and I want to use apt-pinning to get the Prometheus package from bionic. And I am trying to follow that up from this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto I don't 'intrepid' is. Is it a placeholder or something in the doc? |
| 10:46.38 | rant | geekodour08: well this is most certainly not an ubuntu support channel, but fwiw intrepid I believe was an ubuntu release name |
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| 10:48.00 | geekodour08 | rant: okay, I'll try it out. thankyou very much. :) |
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| 10:48.39 | rant | what you should try out is Debian or an ubuntu support channel |
| 10:49.30 | rant | ,v prometheus |
| 10:49.31 | judd | Package: prometheus on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1.5.2+ds-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.5.2+ds-2+b3; stretch-backports: 2.3.2+ds-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2.3.2+ds-1; sid: 2.4.3+ds-1 |
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| 11:11.43 | uniqdom | hello, I need to run an app inside Xephyr. I'm setting DISPLAY var, so the app starts in Xephyr's display correctly. This app is launching another app, but this one is being launched outside Xephyrs. How can I in force apps launched from inside Xephyr to be displayed in Xephyr? |
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| 11:14.31 | jelly | uniqdom: which apps are those? Which debian release? Setting DISPLAY as enviroment variable ought to be enough for normal X apps, but apps that use dbus to talk to other parts of the system (gnome or hde apps) or ssh or gpg agents may have other ideas |
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| 11:23.56 | vadmeste | Hello, not sure what I am missing, but it seems that latest chromium package (69.0.3497.92) doesn't support VP9 anymore, this can be seen in https://html5test.com report. Could someone check this at his end before I open a new bug issue ? |
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| 11:30.19 | uniqdom | jelly, I'm in Debian 9.5 (stable). In Xephyr I'm running cinnamon-launcher. From there, if I launch a Nemo (Files), it starts outside Xephyr. |
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| 11:51.38 | Spida | I am trying to build a package that provides an MTA, using conflicts/provides/replaces: mail-transport-agent as suggested by https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-replaces. when I install that package using dpkg-i mypackage.deb, I just get an error about a conflict "exim4-daemon-light provides mail-transport-agent and is present and installed" -- is there a way to create the |
| 11:51.44 | Spida | package that exim will be uninstalled when my ... |
| 11:51.47 | Spida | ... package is installed? |
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| 11:53.44 | tpo2 | if there is another package that depends on exim or if you have installed exim explicitly then installing your package will *not* deinstall exim - you'll explicitly need to resolve the conflict by deinstalling exim |
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| 11:56.54 | Spida | tpo2: so if exim was manually installed, it will not be uninstalled? |
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| 11:57.19 | tpo2 | that's right |
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| 11:58.54 | tpo2 | the root of the problem is that you are telling apt or dpkg: "please install this package" and when there's conflict (that is there are two packages that are not allowed to be installed at the same time) then apt has no way of deciding which of the two packages you'd prefer to lose. |
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| 12:00.29 | Spida | tpo2: how do I tell apt to keep the one I am installing now? |
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| 12:00.56 | bites | if package A is installed and you are trying to install package B which has "Conflicts: A", then package A will be removed if you try to install B. |
| 12:01.28 | Spida | bites: that was what I was expecting |
| 12:01.49 | Spida | seems that "dpkg -i mypacakge.deb" will just error, "apt install mypackage.deb" will ask to proceed and replace the conflicted old package (exim) |
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| 12:04.08 | bites | that's apt install ./mypackage.deb right? |
| 12:04.23 | bites | apt is picky about the path iirc. |
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| 12:41.07 | jken | Hello, I am attempting to work around an issue in intel atoms related to cstates/freezing on boot. I am setting up a test bed to properly test some permutations of kernel-versions/cstate parameters/clocksource settings. I am wondering if it is possible to downgrade the kernel on Stretch to something older than 4.9.0-7amd64? I've only been able to figure out how to get a newer one (4.18) via backports. |
| 12:41.35 | colo-work | you can always build a package yourself |
| 12:41.46 | colo-work | the kernel upstream makefile has a target for creating proper .deb archives |
| 12:41.50 | colo-work | I just forgot its name... |
| 12:42.08 | colo-work | ah, "deb-pkg" |
| 12:42.25 | jken | If you could point me towards some instructions for that ^ it would be much appreciated |
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| 12:42.50 | colo-work | do you know how to compile the Linux kernel yourself? |
| 12:43.32 | jken | No, I've never done it. |
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| 12:43.46 | colo-work | ok |
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| 12:43.52 | colo-work | https://www.linode.com/docs/tools-reference/custom-kernels-distros/custom-compiled-kernel-debian-ubuntu/ looks promising to be correct |
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| 12:44.42 | colo-work | (you can find Debian's kernel config in /boot/config-*, but not in procfs) |
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| 12:45.31 | jken | awesome, thanks for the link. |
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| 12:53.09 | queip | is there a text editor for linux, working in text console too, but very fast with highlights etc? a modern thing. with option to bind keys similar to vim layout |
| 12:55.20 | selckin | whats wrong with vim |
| 12:56.02 | queip | selckin: scrolling down thorugh file slows down and eventually it lags like 5-10 seconds |
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| 12:56.16 | queip | even scrolling up and then down (it does not cache the highlight properly). with :syntax on |
| 12:56.34 | selckin | that must be some massive file |
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| 13:00.50 | queip | selckin: nope, normal file |
| 13:01.20 | queip | problems start with files with just few pages. if you have syntax highlight and a big terminal (lines) and scroll fast |
| 13:01.45 | pagetelegram | I'd like to cron a script to capture all desktops using shutter. What would I need to add to this syntax: shutter --profile=cbec -e ? |
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| 13:06.47 | deltam | I am using rsync to clone a shutdown Debian system from one 10GB partition to another the same size. I am getting "no space left on device" error due to a 4GB (presumably sparse) file named /var/tmp/.guestfs-0/appliance.d/root What can I do to fix this? Is it safe to delete that file? |
| 13:07.43 | colo-work | you can always --exclude it from rsync |
| 13:07.57 | colo-work | we can't really know if you're gonna need that file again some time |
| 13:08.19 | colo-work | (rsync also has "--sparse") |
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| 13:10.06 | deltam | colo-work, --sparse was the answer i needed, thank you |
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| 13:14.02 | jelly | deltam: if you plan to boot said clone at some point in the future, you will probably also want to investigate how rsync deals with: hardlinks, extended attributes (xattr), and ownerships and permissions, and multiple filesystems mounted one below the other |
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| 13:15.15 | jelly | deltam: and also be careful to clone numerical user and group ids |
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| 13:15.59 | jelly | that last one is probably not relevant for cloning from a cold image, tho |
| 13:16.19 | tytan | Hey, just a quick question about installing debian 9.5 amd64 ... I have seen someone installing debian without root on youtube and then sudo was used by default. I can't find that install without root option in the installer |
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| 13:16.43 | deltam | jelly, thanks for the tips, but i think i am ok, i used rsync -hav -HAXW --sparse which i think takes care of that stuff, and i am aware of the uid/gid issues they are consistent |
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| 13:18.00 | colo-work | --numeric-ids |
| 13:18.02 | colo-work | for good measure |
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| 13:21.18 | deltam | colo-work, yes, thanks, i already take care that all ids that touch other file systems are the same everywhere, the ones that dont i dont care about |
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| 13:23.25 | queip | vim is so slow, I can play quake (freedom) before it finishes redrawing screen lol |
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| 13:27.57 | queip | nano has no such problems |
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| 13:32.02 | colo-work | ed is the standard editor. |
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| 13:36.25 | queip | literally playing "Quake" while waiting for vim to finish scrolling - http://meshnet-users.tk/paste/p/howc/o-vim-lags-time-for-quake-take2_ogv.ogv |
| 13:36.57 | queip | (playback speed is x2 due to bug in recordmydesktop; might want to wait for vid to cache before play) |
| 13:38.00 | selckin | have you tried in a diff terminal |
| 13:38.27 | queip | selckin: yes, same. Vim is just very 1-threaded and sync not async in highlighting, and does it slow, and the size is big so 1 pagedown = many lines |
| 13:38.48 | queip | still I find the end result morbid/funny |
| 13:38.50 | selckin | either vey slow plugin, or something else wrong |
| 13:39.01 | queip | selckin: zero plugins, notice the vim -u NONE |
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| 13:40.25 | selckin | gimme that file |
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| 13:42.58 | queip | selckin: any 10-20 K bash file will do, but sure http://meshnet-users.tk/paste/p/howe/b-z_sh.sh |
| 13:43.24 | queip | selckin: the problem is when you scroll a lot, and you have many lines in terminal so each page down is eg 60 lines |
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| 13:43.55 | selckin | scrolls fine for me |
| 13:44.03 | queip | I think the solution would be for vim to highlight in background, and cache the hl better, and also to show white text first and then hl, if it can't keep up |
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| 13:44.39 | queip | selckin: with :syntax on, where you have 50 lines terminal, in terminal btw, and after you keep scrolling e.g. for 5-10 seconds first? |
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| 13:45.10 | selckin | in full screen terminal, keeping pgdown down for 15s+, when i release, screen stops thats where i am |
| 13:45.26 | queip | selckin: how many echo $LINES ? |
| 13:45.34 | selckin | 66 |
| 13:46.00 | queip | selckin: then dunno.. other 2 people confirmed problem |
| 13:46.05 | queip | selckin: what machine? |
| 13:46.16 | queip | this is old Xenon, so 1-thread performance is not so greaet |
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| 13:46.32 | selckin | myeah maybe fairly high end, dell xps 3k⬠|
| 13:46.49 | queip | selckin: any special config? what if vim -u NONE then :syntax on then scroll? |
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| 13:47.37 | queip | selckin: what if you also xset r rate 160 100 to have faster keyboard repeat |
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| 13:47.42 | queip | (in any term) |
| 13:48.33 | selckin | works better without my vimrc without line nunmbers etc |
| 13:48.52 | queip | maybe this xenon is very bad on 1-thread tasks |
| 13:49.03 | queip | btw, for example nano with it's simple HL, works almost perfectly |
| 13:49.14 | selckin | yeah with the xset it does what you say |
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| 13:49.35 | queip | selckin: ah ok. well yeah then it's even more lines / sec to hl |
| 13:50.04 | queip | btw I know such use case is not typical, but it's just to highlight the issue, which is that even scrolling 3-4 pages lags a bit, and it gets distrcting imo |
| 13:50.19 | queip | vim should better cache HL, and in background pre-HL few pages above and below. |
| 13:51.28 | selckin | or bind a button to take longer jumps maybe, instead of more jumps :/ |
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| 13:55.32 | deltam | I checked my history timestamps, confirms that the 4GB /var/tmp/.guestfs-0 sparse file I mentioned earlier was created by a one-time guestmount & guestunmount to edit a kvm image. I didn't expect that process would leave huge hidden junk around like that. |
| 13:56.52 | deltam | I'm new to VM's though, anyone have any thoughts on that? |
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| 13:59.05 | selckin | queip: just curious what are the real xset you use? because if it's this i'm impressed you can type without going crazy :) |
| 14:00.20 | queip | selckin: 160 100 is what I use, yes |
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| 14:00.47 | queip | so vim really cramps my style :} |
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| 14:01.21 | queip | doesn't help with typing, only with manual scrolling lines and just characters, which some prefer often in addition to ctrl-arrow and such |
| 14:02.10 | greycat | I came in in the middle of this, but ... are you just wondering how to scroll up and down quickly in vi(m)? Ctrl-D scrolls down half a screen at a time, and Ctrl-U scrolls up half a screen at a time. |
| 14:02.23 | Spida | bites: yes |
| 14:02.38 | greycat | You can also use PageUp and PageDown in vim, but probably not in traditional vi. |
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| 14:02.47 | Spida | bites, tpo2: thank you, that worked |
| 14:02.50 | kxze | I just use 9j/9k |
| 14:03.28 | queip | greycat: no I just like sometimes to quickly scroll few pages, and vim's highlight is not pre-cached too well so it lags then, especially when used on 1-thread-slow machine |
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| 14:04.00 | greycat | OK. I'd also suggest talking to #vim about any non-basic questions. |
| 14:04.18 | queip | yeap. well the conclusion is generally that vim isn't the best in this task. I hope it will improve one day |
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| 14:10.27 | selckin | queip: non terminal but the best editor on the planet intellij idea does it just fine with your xset (some colors pop in delayed tho) |
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| 14:12.59 | selckin | not anymore after they are cached! |
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| 14:18.57 | queip | will check out. also Clion for C/C++ |
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| 14:20.01 | spacedust | rant: thanks |
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| 14:23.20 | litb | hello all |
| 14:23.34 | litb | anyone knows how can I start "fzf" for a different directory than "." ? |
| 14:23.43 | litb | "fzf ../sources" doesn't work |
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| 14:24.30 | selckin | ( cd ../sources; fzf ) |
| 14:24.45 | litb | hm, i feared that might be the only solution |
| 14:25.24 | litb | before, i did find ../sources -type f | fzf |
| 14:25.31 | litb | is it slower than the cd-variant? |
| 14:25.41 | greycat | you can do your own benchmark tests |
| 14:25.44 | selckin | does completely different things |
| 14:25.44 | litb | I guess so, because then the FS-walk is not done by fz |
| 14:26.18 | litb | I expected that typing echo ../sources** will do the trick |
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| 14:26.33 | greycat | if you're in bash, you have to turn on globstar first |
| 14:26.41 | greycat | err, and that's the wrong syntax too... |
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| 14:26.58 | litb | huh in other cases like "ssh **<TAB>" it will do aswell |
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| 14:27.07 | greycat | are you in bash, or zsh? |
| 14:27.08 | litb | but in "echo **" it wont |
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| 14:27.09 | selckin | sounds like you want an alias or something to quickly run this and not find a shortest way to type it |
| 14:27.10 | litb | bash |
| 14:27.21 | litb | selckin, exactly |
| 14:27.25 | litb | so maybe i should use alias |
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| 14:27.46 | litb | i just thought maybe there exist a short way. when I'm on a different PC, i would have to resetup the alias |
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| 14:29.38 | greycat | In bash, with "shopt -s globstar" enabled, echo foo** (where foo is a directory) does not work. echo foo/** does work. |
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| 14:30.21 | litb | greycat, doesn't work for me |
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| 14:31.08 | greycat | ... and by "work" I mean it recursively expands to all the subdirectories and files under foo/ |
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| 14:31.23 | litb | greycat, ah you mean i should pipe it into fzf |
| 14:31.41 | greycat | I have no idea what your goal is. I just saw the foo** in your question and figured you wanted foo/** instead. |
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| 14:32.25 | litb | greycat, fzf installs a completion handler for bash for "**" which automatically calls "fzf" |
| 14:33.01 | greycat | steps back .. slowly ... |
| 14:33.06 | litb | ahh if i do "cat ../sources/**<TAB>" then it works |
| 14:33.23 | litb | greycat, thanks for the generous support |
| 14:33.42 | martistra | I have a clause in my bashrc which sets the prompt colour according to the uid,but this is not working at all when I su to some other user (normally root). Is there a similar file to bashrc which is read upon su'ing? |
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| 14:34.49 | greycat | martistra: presumably, the .bashrc in the new user's home directory |
| 14:35.18 | litb | what would be best is, if i could specify a preview command for "cat ../sources/**" |
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| 14:35.53 | martistra | Which doesn't really exist I take it. Root is not a real user. (or is it on Debian?) |
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| 14:36.10 | greycat | Root is a real user and has a real home directory and there is a /root/.bashrc file. |
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| 14:36.22 | greycat | Why would you think it's not "real"? |
| 14:36.32 | martistra | Then thank you very much! |
| 14:36.33 | Luyin | coming from ubuntu where root is deactivated? |
| 14:36.49 | martistra | Coming from Mac OSX yeah |
| 14:37.04 | Luyin | hmm, Mac OS doesen't have a root user? |
| 14:37.37 | jolt | Luyin: They have, but it's also never used unless you sudo |
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| 14:38.15 | martistra | Well the nuances of how this is done is beyond me, but is OSX there is no root unless you enable it, and even then there is no root home or anything.. |
| 14:38.30 | martistra | *in osx |
| 14:39.19 | jolt | martistra: everyone has their own bashrc. If you start to use sudo -s instead of -i, then it will keep whatever environmental stuff you have set |
| 14:39.25 | jolt | that or sudo -sE |
| 14:39.37 | jolt | to keep everything including SSH_AGENT and whatnot |
| 14:39.51 | martistra | Security issue? |
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| 14:40.29 | jolt | martistra: well, if you mainly sudo to root, then root has access to anything anyway |
| 14:40.58 | greycat | On some systems, sudo is used to give partial elevated privileges to not-fully-trusted users. In those environments, things like stripping the environment are done to prevent the users grabbing extra powers that they aren't supposed to have. |
| 14:41.31 | greycat | If you're only using it to give *yourself* temporary root powers, on your own computer, and you trust yourself, then a lot of the stuff sudo does is simply irritating. |
| 14:41.40 | karlpinc | martistra: If you want to execute root's .bashrc you want to execute su with the -l option. (or just '-') |
| 14:41.47 | jolt | martistra: but use sudo -i -u <user>. -i means login shell, so it would spawn bash and read .bash_profile, or .profile or whatever depending on the shell |
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| 14:42.28 | greycat | karlpinc: incorrect. |
| 14:42.45 | greycat | karlpinc: http://paste.debian.net/1048087/ |
| 14:44.31 | martistra | But there is no sudo on Debian I thought? |
| 14:44.52 | nyov | :D |
| 14:45.02 | greycat | It's not installed by default unless you enter a blank root password during the install. But you can choose to install it. |
| 14:45.04 | martistra | No seriously |
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| 14:45.12 | martistra | Ahhh |
| 14:45.22 | martistra | OK, that's the deal |
| 14:45.41 | martistra | I'm happy su'ing to root |
| 14:45.49 | martistra | I much prefer that |
| 14:45.59 | kxze | Debian doesn't have sudo by default? |
| 14:46.04 | kxze | pretty sure my install came with sudo |
| 14:46.13 | greycat | If you entered a blank root password... |
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| 14:46.20 | kxze | Oh. I see |
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| 14:46.47 | bites | the bash login shell sources /root/.profile which in turn sources /root/.bashrc which obviously is not mentioned in man bash. |
| 14:46.56 | greycat | Lies. |
| 14:47.04 | martistra | Cool, thank you very much Grey at. |
| 14:47.08 | martistra | Lol |
| 14:47.14 | karlpinc | greycat: Allright, but -l does something else useful to make su more like logging in as root. Maybe something has changed but I settled on "su -" long ago or else root's environment just wasn't setup as expected. |
| 14:47.42 | greycat | karlpinc: su - (or su -l or whatever) creates a login shell, which means it reads the .profile instead of the .bashrc. As explained in the man page. |
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| 14:48.04 | n4dir | i still chew on the statement that for OS X root has no home dir. Hard to believe. |
| 14:48.05 | greycat | It also sets HOME and changes directory to there and reads /etc/profile and all the other things a login shell does. |
| 14:48.13 | martistra | Thank you very much greycat! I can now add the stuff I'm sure about to bashrc in root home and leave it at that. Brilliant! Ty! |
| 14:49.02 | karlpinc | martistra: You don't want to indiscriminately put things into .bashrc, some stuff belongs in ~/.bash_profile. But I always have to read the man page to figure out what,. |
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| 14:50.20 | greycat | karlpinc: short story: login shell stuff is supposed to be executed once, when you actually login. Anything that persists through the environment or which can be inherited, like resource limits and umask, can be done there. |
| 14:50.40 | greycat | .bashrc is for ephemeral stuff that has to be redone for every single shell, like shopts and aliases |
| 14:50.47 | martistra | karlpinc: sure, but after years I still don't fully appreciate the differences between them. |
| 14:50.48 | greycat | https://mywiki.wooledge.org/DotFiles explains a bit more |
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| 15:05.16 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: Something odd: Running a puppet command (r10k, which deploys changes from git) with sudo -i I get errors (some module not found or not the correct version) on three of seven servers. With sudo su - the errors don't happen. |
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| 15:06.07 | greycat | What would cause that? Some environment variable that tells puppet/git where this "module" is, being stripped away? |
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| 15:06.34 | pagetelegram | WindowMaker question? How do I disable unused workspaces (workspaces that have nothing loaded in them?)? |
| 15:06.38 | greycat | Or a change in PATH resulting in a different instance of the command being executed? |
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| 15:15.44 | premoboss | hello, some gambas3's user here? |
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| 15:23.03 | rgr | Are there any anywhere? :) |
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| 15:27.56 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: I may track it down eventually, but something like that. |
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| 15:36.22 | pagetelegram | How do I delete workspaces in wmaker? I got too many. Easy to create yet no documenation how to delete! |
| 15:36.36 | karlpinc | greycat: Thanks |
| 15:37.34 | nkuttler | pagetelegram: is it not in the right-click menu? either background or dock? |
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| 15:38.48 | pagetelegram | No option to delete or reset. Just rename and stuff to do with icons only. |
| 15:38.56 | pagetelegram | Using Clip |
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| 15:40.25 | pagetelegram | Feel free to PM me nkuttler. I'm using the presetup wmaker on debian 8 called WindowMaker Live. Thanks |
| 15:41.17 | pagetelegram | WMaker community has an IRC community however no one ever responds and ziltch activity |
| 15:41.21 | nkuttler | pagetelegram: i haven't used wmaker in ~10 years |
| 15:41.34 | pagetelegram | ok, thanks. |
| 15:41.37 | nkuttler | how long have you been waiting for an answer? |
| 15:41.50 | nkuttler | i'd give it a week or so, not so active that wm any more.. |
| 15:41.51 | pagetelegram | I sit there at times for several hours. |
| 15:42.02 | nkuttler | or try mailing lists |
| 15:42.11 | nkuttler | (or use something more modern) |
| 15:42.27 | pagetelegram | good idea for mailing lists. Thanks (lol maybe I hit them up on twitter :P) |
| 15:42.45 | nkuttler | tarzeau: still use wmaker? |
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| 15:45.42 | pagetelegram | I'm doing some stuff for election integrity and having shutter capture 17 desktops when I just need it to do 5 is unreasonable. cntrl+-> creates new desktops easily with Clip and no known or documented way that I can find to delete them. |
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| 15:46.56 | pagetelegram | Unless I can use shutter at command line level to specify what desktop titles to capture. That would resolve my grunt. |
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| 15:47.38 | thms | shatter is awesome |
| 15:47.49 | thms | love to vape it |
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| 15:48.22 | pagetelegram | *shatter or shutter? you being sarcastic! I would use scrot of maim instead if it supported capturing virtual desktops. |
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| 15:48.44 | pagetelegram | Only Shutter can capture multiple desktops afaik |
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| 15:49.57 | nkuttler | import -w root? |
| 15:50.11 | nkuttler | oh, virtual desktops? |
| 15:50.23 | teclo- | there's William Shutter too ;) |
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| 15:51.10 | pagetelegram | Yeah that's what clip manages is multiple virtual desktops and seems there is no visible limit to how many. |
| 15:51.53 | Terrell | 46421 |
| 15:52.00 | Terrell | sorry |
| 15:52.03 | pagios | f i have 2 virtual machines each having a local ssd disk of say 100gb, if my cluster is made of 2 nodes thus 2 vms, can i create a network disk of 200gb accessible by all the cluster? |
| 15:52.03 | pagios | like create a virtual distributed filesystem out of these 2 local ssd |
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| 15:57.03 | sZbcE8qNfG | is SMB3 secure enough to use over internet? Microsoft Azure is doing it (not even tunneled) and they apparently think it's secure enough |
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| 16:02.40 | jolt | sZbcE8qNfG: Maybe it is, but why would you not use a VPN to be sure (and also handle routing and access lists) |
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| 16:03.50 | tharkun | Aloha, good $DAY to everyone. I have a pdf file but I need to know what color a certain box has. (Some shadde of gray) What is my weapon of choice? |
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| 16:04.12 | selckin | screenshot, image editor |
| 16:04.14 | sZbcE8qNfG | VPN can have zero day exploits too |
| 16:04.23 | n4dir | pagetelegram: if you leave a workspace, right-clicking on the desktop will offer "kill last" |
| 16:04.35 | tharkun | selckin: gnome, how to take and view a screenshot? |
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| 16:07.25 | tharkun | selckin: gimp pdf file directly. No need for the screenshot. Thanks for the heads up. |
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| 16:08.04 | yakiza | Hello guys i have an external hard drive that when i plug it in it doesnt show upi checked lsusb and it is not there as well |
| 16:08.06 | yakiza | any help |
| 16:08.42 | tharkun | yakiza: Maybe, just maybe it is not beeing recognized. dmesg is your friend |
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| 16:13.19 | yakiza | tharkun: nthing in there |
| 16:13.52 | nyov | perhaps, plug in the power adapter of the drive so it has enough juice to spin up |
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| 16:29.23 | tarzeau | nkuttler: sure! and gnustep :) |
| 16:29.28 | tarzeau | nkuttler: livecd.gnustep.org |
| 16:30.00 | tarzeau | nkuttler: not like i didn't try kde, unity or gnome, but it's slow, ugly and a burden for any computer |
| 16:31.28 | jelly | unity works rather well on my 2012 thinkpad with intel gpu |
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| 16:33.20 | jelly | sZbcE8qNfG: ask ##windows-server or #samba, if anyone knows protocol details enough to make an assessment |
| 16:33.48 | sZbcE8qNfG | thanks will do |
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| 16:34.58 | xinming | what package is used to build livecd please? |
| 16:35.23 | jelly | live-build probably |
| 16:35.28 | jelly | ,i live-build |
| 16:35.29 | judd | Package live-build (misc, optional) in stretch/amd64: Live System Build Components. Version: 1:20170213; Size: 364.9k; Installed: 1225k; Homepage: https://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/live-build/ |
| 16:36.22 | jhutchins_wk | sZbcE8qNfG: I've always seen strong recommendations not to run SMB over WAN. Not just security, but performance and potential for corruption. |
| 16:37.13 | jhutchins_wk | sZbcE8qNfG: That's always an issue with pseudo-filesystems over WAN, because you don't have the integrity checking you'd have if you use a transfer protocol.. |
| 16:37.14 | jelly | sometimes you don't have any choice if you're doing migration to or from Azure or a hybrid setup in between |
| 16:37.23 | jelly | wtf |
| 16:37.42 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: what kind of integrity checking is there on a direct ethernet connection |
| 16:38.39 | xinming | Thanks |
| 16:38.41 | xinming | will check them out |
| 16:38.44 | jelly | or, what kind of integrity checking do you have with ftp |
| 16:38.58 | greycat | FTP runs on top of TCP which has integrity checks |
| 16:39.09 | greycat | I don't know whether SMB or CIFS do. |
| 16:39.13 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: None really, but ... well, I go back as far as dial-up, which was a lot less reliable. |
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| 16:39.33 | jelly | greycat: they do. |
| 16:39.44 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: True, it at least doesn't allow dropped packets. |
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| 16:43.08 | sZbcE8qNfG | SMB has file integrity |
| 16:43.44 | sZbcE8qNfG | with SMB 3.0 encryption and fail2ban setup.....what exactly is insecure about SMB??? |
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| 16:45.48 | jelly | sZbcE8qNfG: again, wrong channel probably |
| 16:46.21 | jelly | in the sense of getting better answers elsewhere |
| 16:46.25 | tharkun | yakiza: if there is nothing in dmesg regarding your usb drive it is probably not beeing seen by the computer itself. The usb port might be dead or the hdd might also be dead. Something should appear regarding that mount point. At least on the /dev/ space. Either dead or alive. |
| 16:47.24 | nyov | tharkun, if the drive were dead, the usb-ata chip would probably still announce itself |
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| 16:47.47 | tharkun | sZbcE8qNfG: as jelly mentioned. Then SMB has a long history of pita security failures it is beyond my ability to determine if they are protocol problems or configuration problems. pick your own venom. |
| 16:48.28 | tharkun | nyov: Not allways. Some are really dead. As in no response to any stimula (bare any misspellings) ;P |
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| 16:50.43 | nyov | then it's more likely the chip is dead and the drive would still work. unless you had it with you while being hit by lightning, then it's probably really dead :) |
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| 16:51.54 | tharkun | thinks of a thousandd ways to kill an hdd including the microwave oven |
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| 17:10.12 | moopthemighty | hez mz kezmap is messed up and i need help figureing out how to get this live USB be correct lol |
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| 17:11.02 | krav | hey guys, dropping scripts into /etc/update-motd.d doesn't seem to do anything, but updating the script that's built in does. anyone know why? this seems contrary to the intent behind that directory. |
| 17:11.10 | moopthemighty | y and z are switched and if i plug in a new kezboard it works until reboot and then on boot up it messes up the same waz and dpkgÃreconfigure kezboard stuff doesnt work |
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| 17:12.01 | jhutchins_wk | moopthemighty: Well that's fun. What release, what Desktop Env? |
| 17:12.05 | greycat | Also - and à it seems :) |
| 17:12.35 | jolt | l |
| 17:12.49 | jolt | </fatfingers> |
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| 17:13.33 | greycat | krav: hmm... never saw that before. A few quick man page searches, and the only one I found is pam_motd(8) which has an option *not* to run the scripts... but doesn't say anything about what they have to look like to be eligible. I'd double check that you gave them proper shebangs and +x perms. |
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| 17:14.42 | krav | greycat: got both. |
| 17:14.44 | krav | even tried rebooting. |
| 17:14.50 | krav | and they run fine on their own |
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| 17:15.09 | greycat | krav: I see it was also created by a Debian developer, so maybe it follows the rules of run-parts. |
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| 17:15.36 | krav | yep, it's got 00 at the beginning of it |
| 17:15.41 | krav | so it should come before the uname line |
| 17:16.13 | m_g_lewis | How do I change the user's picture for the login screen in LXDE? |
| 17:16.16 | moopthemighty | jhutchins_wk: debian 9 xfce live with persistance |
| 17:16.18 | greycat | What's the exact name of the script? If it follows run-parts then the name is critically important. Like, it cannot have a period in it. |
| 17:16.32 | krav | greycat: debian's wiki is delightfully light on the topic too :/ |
| 17:16.50 | krav | greycat: 00-render_hostname |
| 17:17.12 | krav | greycat: i ran run-parts /etc/update-motd.d/ and it rendered fine. |
| 17:17.34 | krav | it looks like that cronjob is used to update /var/run/motd |
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| 17:17.39 | greycat | Hmm, OK. How sure are you that it's not actually running? Maybe add some logging to it (date >> /tmp/your.log). |
| 17:17.53 | m_g_lewis | Sorry, I meant just the login screen, not LXDE... |
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| 17:18.40 | m_g_lewis | The screen where you pick the user and the window manager to use... |
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| 17:18.42 | krav | greycat: just put in a touch to a file in temp. no file in temp. |
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| 17:19.36 | nyov | m_g_lewis: you're probably talking about GDM3 there, perhaps that helps while googling |
| 17:19.51 | greycat | krav: "strings /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/security/pam_motd.so" gave me this fascinating line: /usr/bin/env -i PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin run-parts --lsbsysinit /etc/update-motd.d > /run/motd.dynamic.new |
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| 17:20.58 | krav | greycat: that's just a static line. |
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| 17:21.22 | m_g_lewis | nyov: OK, I'll try that... |
| 17:21.25 | greycat | I'm guessing that's how it gets executed, which may or may not help you investigate |
| 17:21.31 | krav | greycat: i think what that does is that it outputs that file? |
| 17:21.47 | krav | because i have one server where i've updated the default script |
| 17:21.49 | greycat | I'm assuming that string is given to system() |
| 17:21.57 | krav | and that file gets changed when that script runs |
| 17:21.59 | krav | yep! |
| 17:23.06 | krav | greycat: i'll keep looking into this. It looks like there needs to be WAY more documentation on this. even googling just constantly brings up stuff about ubuntu. |
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| 17:26.22 | BoF | any use debian on macbookpro? |
| 17:26.57 | BoF | what is the best configuration macfanctl.conf? |
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| 17:38.13 | moopthemighty | DO I HAVE TO REBUILD THE INITRAMFS _!_ |
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| 17:41.23 | BoF | moopthemighty, me? |
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| 17:43.25 | BoF | any use debian on a mac? |
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| 17:44.36 | moopthemighty | i dont know :( |
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| 18:15.02 | krav | greycat: _ is an unallowed name |
| 18:15.05 | krav | or an unallowed character |
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| 18:15.10 | krav | from what i can tell. |
| 18:16.30 | greycat | Then I don't understand what the man page is saying in the --lsbsysinit section. |
| 18:16.45 | krav | I don't either. but i shortened it and removed the _ and it's working now. |
| 18:17.32 | greycat | The "Debian cron namespace" shows _ being allowed, but I don't see any way to tell which of the three "namespaces" run-parts has decided to use. |
| 18:18.13 | krav | any way, i figured it out. I can now actually make this work. |
| 18:18.22 | krav | and I'll look into updating the wiki somehow. |
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| 18:28.50 | nkuttler | tarzeau: \o/ |
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| 18:30.50 | tarzeau | xinming: https://willhaley.com/blog/custom-debian-live-environment/ is what i used |
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| 18:32.11 | jken | I have a strange issue. I have a kiosk like application that gets started automatically on boot. Typical x11 -> openbox -> autostart app. However, I just upgraded from kernel 4.9 to 4.18 and now it takes a very long time for the app to start. To add to that, it will start immediately as soon I start tailing its log file. |
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| 18:32.30 | jken | I have never run into anything like this, and am wondering if anyone can assist me in starting to debug |
| 18:32.39 | jken | Perhaps IO bound, or a lock that is removed once I tail the log file? |
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| 18:33.23 | somiaj | might need to check what is taking so long, systemd-anaylize blame should list services that take a long time to start |
| 18:33.25 | greycat | Sounds like that random() thing. |
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| 18:34.04 | jken | somiaj, already tried that, finishes booting all of userspace in 30 seconds, then sits until I trigger my app to start by tailing it log |
| 18:34.31 | greycat | Does the application start up faster if you wiggle the mouse for a while, or type stuff on the keyboard for a while? That would confirm the random() thing. |
| 18:34.41 | jken | greycat, I will confirm now |
| 18:34.52 | somiaj | there was some package I recall that helps with that (though I thought that bug in the kernel was fixed) |
| 18:35.24 | greycat | It's been long enough that I no longer have a firm grasp on the details. Not sure whether it was considered a kernel bug or a bug in lightdm or .... |
| 18:35.43 | jken | greycat, absolutely. started almost instantly with me spamming the mouse/keyboard |
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| 18:36.05 | jken | I am not running lightdm |
| 18:36.10 | jken | simple x11 -> openbox |
| 18:36.15 | jken | started via xinitrc |
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| 18:36.21 | somiaj | there is a pakage you can install to help with this, I foreget which one though. |
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| 18:37.15 | somiaj | !cve-2018-1108 |
| 18:37.15 | dpkg | cve-2018-1108 is a security fix for a lack of randomness at boot. Delays the use of the kernel crng by applications till sufficient randomness is ready. Can cause delays (up to to 4+ minutes) in boot time just before or just after login, esp with LUKS enabled. Short term workarounds: Wiggle mouse/tap keyboard a lot, install rng-tools5 or haveged pkgs |
| 18:37.33 | somiaj | rng-tools5 or haveged packages, and heaveged package was the one I recall more using. |
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| 18:38.03 | greycat | ,info rng-tools5 |
| 18:38.04 | judd | Package rng-tools5 (utils, optional) in stretch/amd64: Daemon to use a Hardware TRNG. Version: 5-1; Size: 20.7k; Installed: 69k |
| 18:38.30 | somiaj | ,info heaveged |
| 18:38.31 | judd | No package named 'heaveged' was found in stretch/amd64. |
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| 18:38.39 | somiaj | ,info haveged |
| 18:38.40 | judd | Package haveged (misc, extra) in stretch/amd64: Linux entropy source using the HAVEGE algorithm. Version: 1.9.1-5+deb9u1; Size: 32.6k; Installed: 76k; Homepage: http://issihosts.com/haveged/ |
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| 18:39.12 | greycat | looks like rng-tools5 requires an actual hardware RNG, and the other one does not |
| 18:39.26 | jken | How might I determine if my device has the hardware required |
| 18:39.57 | somiaj | it is uncommon to have such hardware I belive. |
| 18:40.04 | somiaj | so I would go with haveged package. |
| 18:40.13 | jken | The device in question is an atom based intel compute stick |
| 18:40.16 | somiaj | though one would think lshw would look at it. |
| 18:40.27 | jken | https://ark.intel.com/products/91064/Intel-Compute-Stick-STK1A32SC |
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| 18:42.56 | greycat | After installing rng-tools5, I read the man page, then ran "sudo rngd -v" which lists available sources. Mine shows "DRNG" and "TPM". Still researching what those mean exactly. |
| 18:42.58 | jken | Hmm, sounds like CVE-2018-1108 was resolved in kernels after 4.17... I am runnign 4.18.0 https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2018-1108 |
| 18:43.04 | jken | From stretch-backports |
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| 18:43.50 | somiaj | yea, I thought it was fixed too, but maybe it is a regression in how the backport kernels are made. I would check the bts |
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| 18:45.54 | jken | somiaj, bts? |
| 18:46.04 | somiaj | !bts |
| 18:46.04 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 18:46.20 | somiaj | though kernel bugs are so numerous, it is hard to search throught hem. |
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| 19:02.15 | jken | well, haveged seems to be saving me right now |
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| 19:07.59 | s00x | hey |
| 19:09.08 | s00x | I got external monitor connected to my laptop. When I close the laptop (lid), the resolution changes and I see everything only on my monitor |
| 19:09.10 | s00x | how can I stop that? |
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| 19:09.28 | s00x | I mean don't "turn off" laptop screen when I close the lid? |
| 19:09.39 | somiaj | I think logind does this. |
| 19:10.08 | somiaj | hmm, nevermind memory failed me, one second. |
| 19:10.21 | s00x | I tried with HandledSwitch, but didn't work |
| 19:10.29 | s00x | HandleLidSwitch |
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| 19:11.06 | somiaj | so you changed /etc/systemd/logind.conf to have HandleLidSwitch=ignore |
| 19:11.12 | s00x | yeah |
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| 19:11.15 | somiaj | then restarted your system? |
| 19:11.15 | s00x | and it doesn't work |
| 19:11.18 | s00x | yup |
| 19:11.33 | somiaj | hmm, then I'm unsure what else could be triggered by that switch. |
| 19:12.09 | s00x | gimmie a second for a system restart, I'll try with /etc/UPower/UPower.conf |
| 19:12.12 | s00x | I see IgnoreLid there |
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| 19:12.51 | somiaj | I don't have that in mine, but I do have LigSwitchIngoreInhibited=yes, maybe make that no, don't Inhibit the ignore. |
| 19:13.04 | somiaj | might have to look up systemd documentation to find out more detils on those parameters. |
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| 19:13.19 | somiaj | oh and you did uncomment the option too? (Just double checking) |
| 19:13.20 | s00x | thx, I'll give it a try, brb |
| 19:13.25 | s00x | (yeah, sure ;) ) |
| 19:13.27 | s00x | brb |
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| 19:16.48 | s00x | ok, it worked, yay! |
| 19:16.51 | s00x | *it works |
| 19:17.07 | s00x | ignoreLid=true |
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| 19:46.56 | DammitJim | I'm getting this when running fdisk /dev/sdb |
| 19:46.57 | DammitJim | The size of this disk is 2 TiB (2199023255552 bytes). DOS partition table format can not be used on drives for volumes larger than 2199023255040 bytes for 512-byte sectors. Use GUID partition table format (GPT). |
| 19:47.09 | DammitJim | does that mean I can't use fdisk and have to resort to parted? |
| 19:50.13 | qman__ | frisk |
| 19:50.18 | qman__ | gdisk |
| 19:50.47 | DammitJim | I guess my main question is... can I not just create a new partition? |
| 19:51.20 | qman__ | gdisk works similar to fdisk but with gpt support |
| 19:51.26 | greycat | Either make a GPT disklabel for it, or use LVM. |
| 19:51.44 | DammitJim | I will be creating an LVM but on top of the partition |
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| 19:51.49 | qman__ | you cannot do MBR on disks larger than ~2.2TB |
| 19:52.09 | DammitJim | this is a data drive... maybe I don't need MBR? |
| 19:52.16 | qman__ | Well, you can, but won't be able to access any space past that |
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| 19:52.54 | qman__ | use gdisk and create a gpt partition |
| 19:53.11 | greycat | I don't see the point of creating a partition and then running LVM inside the partition. |
| 19:53.26 | DammitJim | that's what I didn't understand |
| 19:53.30 | qman__ | You could add the raw disk to lvm but I don't because then if you ever access it with another partition tool you may nuke it |
| 19:53.36 | DammitJim | but that's the way another server was set up by a 3rd party |
| 19:53.40 | DammitJim | so, I have to do it the same for this server |
| 19:54.07 | greycat | *shrug* OK, then make a GPT disklabel, make the partition, and then make the LVM stuff |
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| 19:55.34 | qman__ | Matter of personal preference, it isn't required but can be a good idea to prevent accidents |
| 19:56.37 | qman__ | I do it because the 2MB of space is worth potentially not accidentally nuking my data |
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| 19:58.28 | noln | that disk is off the MBR limit by 512 bytes only |
| 20:00.04 | DammitJim | I know! |
| 20:00.11 | DammitJim | it's a VM |
| 20:00.20 | DammitJim | I should create it to be 1.999TB |
| 20:00.34 | greycat | or you could just use GPT |
| 20:00.38 | qman__ | Ah, well you can create an embrace, it will just not be able to address the extra space |
| 20:00.45 | qman__ | mbr |
| 20:00.57 | qman__ | Or just use gpt |
| 20:01.08 | noln | or just reuse mbr as on the other server, and forget the 512 bytes |
| 20:01.11 | qman__ | It's the standard, it's not going anywhere |
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| 20:19.24 | __0xbadc0de_ | hello |
| 20:19.35 | __0xbadc0de_ | how can I find the full path of a binary in linux? |
| 20:19.47 | __0xbadc0de_ | say that I want to find the absolutely path for ls, or sh |
| 20:19.49 | slax0r | whereis foo |
| 20:20.04 | __0xbadc0de_ | <3 |
| 20:20.14 | greycat | command -v ls |
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| 20:24.21 | jhutchins_wk | __0xbadc0de_: which ls |
| 20:24.27 | greycat | worst choice. |
| 20:24.44 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: Because? |
| 20:25.16 | greycat | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/081 |
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| 20:29.48 | somiaj | well here which gives the output asked for, and comman -v ls doesn't, because I have ls as an alias. |
| 20:29.59 | somiaj | but I do see the point in terms of scripting on the FAQ |
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| 20:32.03 | greycat | which doesn't do anything more than command -v on Debian. What are you seeing? |
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| 20:32.59 | somiaj | which ls -- returns /bin/ls, the full path that was asked for. command -v ls -- returns alias ls='ls --color=auto' (which I think is fairly defualt alias in debian) |
| 20:33.00 | greycat | Ah... aliases. You're using which(1) to bypass shell aliases, functions and builtins. |
| 20:33.57 | somiaj | over all command -v seems useful, and might give the info needed, I was just pointing out that here it didn't directly give the info asked for. |
| 20:33.59 | greycat | In that case you might be interested in type -P, but I think I won't convince you of the nastiness of which. |
| 20:34.34 | greycat | The main advantage of command -v is that it's completely POSIX compliant. Works in dash, etc. Perfect for scripts where you don't have to worry about aliases and stuff. |
| 20:34.39 | somiaj | the faq was good enough, seems to be a bad tool to rely on in scripting, but it might quickly help. |
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| 20:35.52 | somiaj | thanks for the info, I didn't realize which was fairly unstandard, espically in terms of returns when the command is not found. |
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| 20:37.37 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: Ok, so which not good programatically, but OK for one shot CLI use. |
| 20:38.13 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: And I know your preference is that we use good programming even when running CLI commands to develop good diciplined habits. |
| 20:38.44 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: I have dutifully retrained myself to use "while read" and "sudo -i". |
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| 20:39.26 | greycat | there's definitely a different answer set depending on whether you're writing a script, or doing stuff interactively |
| 20:39.45 | jhutchins_wk | I suppose locate could be used as well. |
| 20:39.47 | greycat | most of the #bash questions are about scripts, whereas here it's more of a toss-up |
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| 20:43.31 | scwizard | i'm kinda confused |
| 20:43.32 | scwizard | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2017-14062 |
| 20:43.43 | scwizard | how come a fix for this bot backported to jessie (security) but not to stretch? |
| 20:44.57 | somiaj | what do you mean, it was fixed in stretch with version 0.16-1+deb9u1 |
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| 20:45.22 | greycat | the page is showing a "libidn" pacakge in stretch but I don't actually see one in apt-cache show |
| 20:45.25 | scwizard | somiaj: that's for libidn2-0 which is a different package than libidn right? |
| 20:45.30 | greycat | the libidn2-0 pacakge is showing as fixed |
| 20:45.40 | scwizard | greycat: it's called libidn11 i think |
| 20:45.56 | somiaj | oh yea, didn't notice there was two libaries listed there. |
| 20:46.00 | somiaj | ,v libdin |
| 20:46.01 | judd | No package named 'libdin' was found in amd64. |
| 20:46.06 | somiaj | ,v libidn |
| 20:46.07 | judd | No package named 'libidn' was found in amd64. |
| 20:46.21 | greycat | ,i libidn11 |
| 20:46.22 | judd | Package libidn11 (libs, standard) in stretch/amd64: GNU Libidn library, implementation of IETF IDN specifications. Version: 1.33-1; Size: 112.5k; Installed: 306k; Homepage: https://www.gnu.org/software/libidn/ |
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| 20:46.26 | greycat | ,i libidn2-0 |
| 20:46.27 | judd | Package libidn2-0 (libs, extra) in stretch/amd64: Internationalized domain names (IDNA2008) library. Version: 0.16-1+deb9u1; Size: 59.2k; Installed: 174k; Homepage: https://www.gnu.org/software/libidn/#libidn2 |
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| 20:49.07 | scwizard | obviously libidn11 is legacy, but it's included in the official docker image because iputils-ping (which is also legacy of course) depends on it |
| 20:49.32 | scwizard | which is how I noticed this, because I just got anchore setup to do docker image CVE scanning |
| 20:49.48 | greycat | sees the D-word, loses all interest forever |
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| 20:50.02 | nyov | rofl |
| 20:50.38 | scwizard | iputils-ping and libidn11 are included in physical installs too tho :| |
| 20:51.22 | scwizard | like look i'm not trying to hate, i just thought it was odd that jessie got a security backport before stretch did |
| 20:51.28 | somiaj | yea, I can't track down why they never fixed that cve in stretch. What packages actually depend on the older libary in stretch? |
| 20:51.45 | scwizard | somiaj: notably iputils-ping and emacs |
| 20:52.51 | somiaj | I tried looking through the bug reports listed, but no info on why stretch was left out. Maybe this is archived in a security mailing list somewhere, or could be better answered asking security directly. |
| 20:53.06 | scwizard | so like in practice people aren't gonna get hacked or anything, i just thought it was kinda funny |
| 20:53.13 | booyah | greycat: what is wrong about docker? |
| 20:53.30 | scwizard | somiaj: "asking security directly" i'm assuming via the mailing list? |
| 20:53.55 | scwizard | booyah: probably offtopic for this channel |
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| 20:54.05 | somiaj | scwizard: debian doesn't fix all vulns, only those determined bad enough. And maybe this vuln doesn't actaully affect stretch since that libary isn't linked to anything remote. |
| 20:54.22 | somiaj | scwizard: and yes, I think the mailing list is an appropriate place to ask for clarification. |
| 20:54.23 | scwizard | somiaj: oh so likely fixed in jessie cause it has more depends in jessie? |
| 20:54.49 | somiaj | could be, that in jessie it could actually be exploited, but ping and emacs can't exploit this, so it was left alone (they try not to change things if they don't have to) |
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| 20:55.01 | somiaj | I am not saying this is the case, just a possiblity. |
| 20:55.19 | scwizard | emacs could theoretically exploit this if you're being outrageously irresponsible with it lol |
| 20:56.11 | scwizard | kinda squeamish about sending something to the mailing list, seems like it would just be noise |
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| 20:57.27 | somiaj | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=873903 -- maybe dig through the bug report first, or you could add info to the bug report or file a bug, but this seems more like a security decision over the matianer |
| 20:57.28 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/873903 in src:libidn (closed, patch, security, upstream): «libidn: CVE-2017-14062: integer overflow in decode_digit»; severity: important; opened: 2017-09-01; last modified: 2017-10-12. |
| 20:57.46 | somiaj | but the info you seek might be hidden in that report. |
| 20:58.12 | greycat | Oh, it's not just docker? OK, then maybe I am interested again. |
| 20:58.45 | scwizard | somiaj: i read that page and the impression i got was "ppl are busy lol" so yeah |
| 20:59.06 | scwizard | hence why mailing list is kinda :| ppl have enough stuff on there to actually worry about |
| 20:59.55 | scwizard | greycat: i wouldn't bring up anything docker exclusive here |
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| 21:00.45 | __0xbadc0de_ | how can I set $eip in gdb? |
| 21:00.48 | __0xbadc0de_ | gdb/gef |
| 21:01.20 | __0xbadc0de_ | w/out patching memory |
| 21:02.12 | scwizard | __0xbadc0de_: google says: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1239756/can-i-have-gdb-jump-past-a-throw-statement-at-the-end-of-a-function |
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| 21:02.45 | greycat | try ##workingset |
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| 21:04.12 | __0xbadc0de_ | useless. here is the solution set $eip=0x1337 |
| 21:04.14 | __0xbadc0de_ | simple |
| 21:04.27 | scwizard | __0xbadc0de_: that's what the link says yes. I got it from googling: gdb set eip |
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| 21:14.22 | somiaj | scwizard: might be a time vs actual vuln (as mentioned it could be nothing in a default stretch could actually be exploided by this). Looking at the change log of the fix, https://tracker.debian.org/media/packages/libi/libidn/changelog-1.33-2.2, the fix of 1.33-2 contained multiple fixes (not just this), so it would have taken additional work to backport it to stretch, which may have been considered not |
| 21:14.28 | somiaj | worth the effort (again this is just a guess) |
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| 21:38.12 | __0xbadc0de_ | hello guys |
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| 21:56.24 | sleepingforest | wheres the best place to get GTK themes? is it still gtk-look or gnome-look / xfce-look? |
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| 21:56.53 | no_gravity | Hello |
| 21:56.55 | no_gravity | When I press <tab> in the shell, why do I get all that funky stuff like \:, \!, ./, \[ etc? |
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| 21:57.58 | somiaj | no_gravity: what shell and are you typing anything else? |
| 21:58.15 | somiaj | typing <tab> in my shell does nothing (just typing it as the only character) |
| 21:58.24 | no_gravity | somiaj: bash. just pressing <tab> on an empty line. |
| 21:58.31 | somiaj | but if I do like 'ls tab' I get stuff |
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| 21:58.46 | no_gravity | yeah, but i get those on an empty line |
| 21:58.48 | somiaj | yea pressing tab on an empty line in bash does nothing here |
| 21:59.05 | no_gravity | really? thats strange |
| 21:59.10 | somiaj | maybe something in your tab complection configuration? |
| 21:59.25 | somiaj | I just checked two stretch machines, my laptop and my dekstop, both the same. |
| 21:59.57 | no_gravity | Well, I have this in my inputrc: Tab: menu-complete |
| 22:00.08 | no_gravity | Maybe that is the reason? |
| 22:01.05 | somiaj | could be, I don't have such a thing |
| 22:01.24 | no_gravity | No inputrc? |
| 22:01.44 | somiaj | my inputrc has one line, set bell-style none |
| 22:01.49 | somiaj | so no such thing in my inputrc. |
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| 22:04.06 | no_gravity | You could put it in and try. |
| 22:04.49 | somiaj | I guess, or you could remove it form yours and try. |
| 22:05.00 | no_gravity | Ha :) |
| 22:05.38 | somiaj | I noticed no change, but I didn't fully logout, just launched a new interactive shell |
| 22:05.50 | no_gravity | launching a new shell should be enough. |
| 22:06.10 | somiaj | what I thought. |
| 22:06.18 | no_gravity | Strange |
| 22:06.35 | no_gravity | Do you have the : command? What does 'help :' do? |
| 22:07.11 | somiaj | What are you running your shell through (what terminal/ssh/etc)? |
| 22:07.41 | no_gravity | gnome terminal |
| 22:07.53 | no_gravity | help : tells me that : is a command. |
| 22:07.56 | somiaj | I'm using xterm, wonder if it is a terminal thing |
| 22:08.06 | somiaj | I get null command here |
| 22:08.12 | no_gravity | Yeah |
| 22:08.15 | no_gravity | Me too |
| 22:08.24 | RandomSerb | any good articles on what's the difference between gtk, xfce, gnome etc? |
| 22:08.29 | no_gravity | Strange that menu-complete does not produce the same behaviour on your machine. |
| 22:08.48 | somiaj | RandomSerb: gtk is a widge set, xfce and gnome are desktop enviorments, so that is their difference. |
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| 22:25.53 | EdePopede | great. testing guake for the first time and while playing around in the options it leaves me with an unresponsive desktop. had to kill it from the tty, htop showing both CPU cores at their limit. |
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| 22:27.23 | scwizard | EdePopede: stretch? |
| 22:27.33 | EdePopede | aye |
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| 22:28.34 | EdePopede | i was in the quick open tab in the settings |
| 22:29.01 | scwizard | EdePopede: the stretch ver doesn't seem well maintained |
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| 22:29.37 | EdePopede | may(!) have to do with transparency, i'm not sure what does what. only that my nvidia was really cheap years ago *g* |
| 22:30.30 | EdePopede | scwizard: it is really python? |
| 22:31.23 | EdePopede | and yes, little things show it sometimes... C-F2 is ist for tab #2 *and* rename |
| 22:31.23 | scwizard | EdePopede: idk, but stretch is on 0.8.8-1, ubuntu is on 3.3.0-1, upstream is on 3.4.0 |
| 22:31.36 | EdePopede | uh... nice jump |
| 22:33.23 | EdePopede | i'm still on xterm: i want my mc working properly, i want my 256 colors, and so far no other terminal gave me all those things. but menus and shiny buttons. meh. |
| 22:34.03 | scwizard | software in general, but packages too sure, the more people who are using it the less likely there are to be super painful bugs |
| 22:34.10 | scwizard | so like everyone uses xterm so xterm should work pretty well |
| 22:35.00 | scwizard | guake idk, maybe the latest upstream is fine, software that's pre 1.0 you gotta temper your expectations though |
| 22:35.48 | scwizard | buster has the 3.4.x though so that's nice |
| 22:36.06 | EdePopede | i hope it, at least it looks good and stays out of the way. did read it before but now that i've seen it... *crossing fingers for the bug hunters* |
| 22:36.23 | EdePopede | buster is 10? |
| 22:36.23 | scwizard | you should try installing buster and seeing if it works, could help narrow it down if it's your gfx card, your computer, the old ver, or what |
| 22:36.57 | EdePopede | may happen, i'm still in testing mode |
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| 22:37.36 | scwizard | desktops are a good use case for testing branches anyway imo |
| 22:37.40 | EdePopede | warped directly from wheezy to stretch, and there are quite a few changes |
| 22:38.40 | EdePopede | i tried to open a 2nd X on tty8 some time ago, didn't work. should it? |
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| 22:40.09 | scwizard | uhh that doesn't seem particularly sensible |
| 22:40.37 | scwizard | gnome or whatever should be able to manage multiple monitors or whatever your use case is just fine |
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| 22:41.32 | scwizard | if you try and hack X to do weird things stuff will break |
| 22:41.39 | EdePopede | i don't think my card can. GT630, i think i've read years ago something like "don't ever expect such features for this one" |
| 22:42.18 | scwizard | i'm not sure what you're trying to do but yeah there are hardware limitations to having multiple monitors |
| 22:42.36 | EdePopede | time to get that other pc running, still emptying the last partition of its "new" sysdisk |
| 22:43.24 | EdePopede | i wanted to play around with X stuff, desktops, trying out things. without breaking my default config |
| 22:43.49 | EdePopede | how is it called... xsapphire or so? i think i should have it installed |
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| 22:45.00 | EdePopede | and guake is behaving now. sleeping :) |
| 22:46.46 | EdePopede | ah, xephyr |
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| 22:48.58 | EdePopede | and the binary even with a capital X |
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| 22:52.21 | RandomSerb | how does an website like facebook know my timezxone? |
| 22:53.12 | RandomSerb | when I installed my system, I have set the wrong timezone. I have then changed it, and clock is showing proper time now. But the problem is that all the other websites, like facebook, show wrong time |
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| 22:59.04 | EdePopede | haven't been in my facebook account for some time now. but twitter (no account there) also shows me some US time. |
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| 23:05.08 | joze | i am to stupid for facebook |
| 23:05.15 | joze | *o |
| 23:05.35 | joze | grabhjl |
| 23:06.22 | pagetelegram | I hear some employers ask for your facebook profile...so make a 'shinny' one |
| 23:07.06 | hypn0 | what if you don't have one :-/ |
| 23:07.11 | joze | i am an emplyier and ask of other odd stuff |
| 23:07.24 | hypn0 | then you don't exist? |
| 23:07.48 | joze | *o |
| 23:08.02 | hypn0 | or employers are stupid :-) |
| 23:08.29 | EdePopede | hypn0: tell this the people at the border control, and if you're from IT, try to convince them |
| 23:09.09 | hypn0 | no, I'd rather watch paint dry :-) |
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| 23:09.44 | EdePopede | oh, there's even a movie iirc |
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| 23:11.39 | EdePopede | Charlie Lyne, 14 hours of a wall with drying paintin 4K. only for the distraction of the members of the British Board of Film Certification |
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| 23:12.32 | pagetelegram | Ok going to launch OBS and live broadcast this IRC on Facebook live...any freenode restrictions against that? Might be better than watching paint dry lol |
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| 23:13.37 | annadane | idk. ask #freenode |
| 23:13.38 | pagetelegram | Though it may cause a flood of new folks into IRC land...might give facebook users hope that there is 'something else.' |
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| 23:14.26 | EdePopede | if you expect this, then maybe you should wait till next september ;) |
| 23:14.54 | pagetelegram | If you build the bridge, they will cross it :P |
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| 23:18.34 | awal1 | how can I make 'moc' change volume only for itself, not the system volume? |
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| 23:18.39 | EdePopede | what about a broadcast during your next clean debian installation? show them, no extra GB of updates, no nagware, no ads for some shop.... |
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| 23:22.00 | annadane | awal1, i guess change flat-volumes to 'no' in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf |
| 23:22.28 | awal1 | annadane, i'll check that. thanks |
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| 23:26.31 | awal1 | annadane not the correct config option but thanks for your attention ;) |
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| 23:26.54 | awal1 | the correct/the needed :P |
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| 23:29.12 | annadane | the needful |
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| 23:30.39 | format_c | mhh "needful" sounds Indian |
| 23:31.56 | annadane | thatsthejoke.jpg |
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