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| 00:12.51 | ArsenArsen | ERROR: problem running iptables: iptables v1.6.0: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?) |
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| 00:14.21 | adolf_ | Hello, I use the sid repository, and some month ago I upgrade so the chromium didn't work anymore. Someone has have the same problem? |
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| 00:14.44 | adolf_ | has someone the same problem? |
| 00:15.47 | annadane | !debian-next |
| 00:15.47 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 00:16.07 | annadane | are you sure you want to use sid? sid can break and it's your responsibility in general, and also to check the bug tracking system |
| 00:16.24 | annadane | also "doesn't work" is vague. but ask in the channel dpkg provided |
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| 00:21.02 | adolf_ | thanks annadane and dpkg |
| 00:21.35 | annadane | waits for it... |
| 00:23.46 | Barones | Hi, I recently upgrade gnome to 3.30 in a debian stretch -> buster system, but gdm3 is taking 10x longer to load gnome, where I could get more info about gdm3 startup? |
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| 00:47.36 | maxrazer | Does anyone know why my audio only works when I mute the audio port in Alsamixer? It did it after I changed the default sound card in /etc/asound.conf |
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| 02:34.47 | nyov | maxrazer: perhaps the mute toggle is somehow inverted? |
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| 02:59.15 | maxrazer | nyov, It seems to be, but I don't know why. |
| 03:01.38 | maxrazer | nyov, I ran the ALSA troubleshooting script: https://pastebin.com/h8GaSm4M |
| 03:02.36 | nyov | that doesn't troubleshoot much of anything |
| 03:02.55 | nyov | acpi device info? what does that help |
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| 03:04.18 | nyov | hmm. perhaps your config would be more helpful |
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| 03:06.13 | maxrazer | All I did was edit the alsa config file like the alsa website said and change the sound card number. There was no file before that. |
| 03:07.32 | nyov | then perhaps the issue was always there and you only didn't notice, because you targeted the other soundcard |
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| 03:10.51 | maxrazer | nyov, It never did it in the past, but in the past I would set the default card using pulse audio server. I've never used this sound card with just ALSA (I think). |
| 03:11.09 | maxrazer | In order to use my non-integrated sound card with just ALSA I have to set the configuration file. |
| 03:11.27 | maxrazer | Because the integrated sound card will be number 0, which is going to be used by default. |
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| 03:39.03 | Jmabsd | Does Debian offer an UEFI image of the installer, for use from a USB memory stick on an EFI compliant machine? |
| 03:39.23 | Jmabsd | Or Debian caters to the ~1990-~2005 range of computers lol |
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| 03:50.05 | maxrazer | Jmabsd, Debian uses UEFI yes. You may need to adjust which target you are using to boot from in your UEFI. make sure to select the right instance of the USB boot target. It should be the main device. You may see multiple. I also remember seeing some kind of menu to select boot UEFI from the image. |
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| 03:55.47 | agio | I thought UEFI hardware initialisation ssystem could read MBR boot loader and partition table? |
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| 03:56.28 | maxrazer | agio, Are you talking about a MBR created by windows and you want to install Debian to that drive? |
| 03:56.41 | agio | so that a special UEFI installer image was not necessary? or am i wrong? |
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| 03:56.58 | maxrazer | Actually I have windows on one drive and Debian on the other and when I boot up a GRUB menu comes up and I can select Debian or to load the Windows boot loader. |
| 03:57.05 | agio | MBR is OS agnostic |
| 03:57.15 | maxrazer | Yeah, but what you are trying to do. |
| 03:57.23 | maxrazer | If it just happens to be Windows. |
| 03:57.49 | maxrazer | Because I can't account for everything I don't know, but I can tell you what I do. |
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| 03:59.33 | agio | my question is this: "is special UEFI installer image necessary if you have UEFI hardware? |
| 03:59.42 | Jmabsd | agio: it may be. |
| 04:00.05 | Jmabsd | agio: your UEFI motherboard/computer may offer legacy boot if you're ""lucky"" however normally in the UEFI age just install off an UEFI mediuj. |
| 04:00.07 | Jmabsd | medium |
| 04:00.08 | Jmabsd | maxrazer: i meant the Debian installers, not the ready-installed system. |
| 04:01.26 | Jmabsd | maxrazer: all the installers on debian.org are named ".ISO", i normally would read this as meaning "ISO filesystem offering a BIOS-based installer". |
| 04:01.46 | Jmabsd | maxrazer: are Debian's installers some kind of hybrid EFI, so you can actually do "dd if=thedebianinstallerimage of=/dev/usbmemorystick" and boot off a pure EFI system? |
| 04:02.29 | maxrazer | I believe the hybrid iso is so you can burn to cd or usb. |
| 04:02.43 | maxrazer | You can use dd. |
| 04:03.04 | agio | i just checked now. and debian netinstaller has a efi 2nd stage bootloaderfor 64bit arch's |
| 04:03.08 | maxrazer | I don't have a pure EFI system though. |
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| 04:03.34 | Jmabsd | maxrazer: why aren't pure-EFI media offered? |
| 04:03.44 | maxrazer | Is this a Mac? I believe they have EFI, right? |
| 04:04.05 | Jmabsd | maxrazer: yep EFI. |
| 04:04.33 | maxrazer | I had a macbook which had EFI and I couldn't install linux on it. |
| 04:05.18 | maxrazer | It was an old macbook, it would have required a lot of effort. I also got rid of my newer mac which was an iMac left Apple products. I bought a new PC custom made. |
| 04:05.28 | agio | the ISO relates to the filesystem image - and its compatibilty with storage media (eg ISO is for cdrom, hybdid, cdrom+USB) not hardware init system |
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| 04:06.20 | maxrazer | Well, the hybrid part has nothing to do with the EFI. But he may also mean an image of some sort that can boot off of EFI. |
| 04:06.39 | maxrazer | I remember there being guides out there, but I wasn't able to do it and didn't want to put in the effort. |
| 04:06.42 | agio | agreed |
| 04:07.07 | agio | there is the debian installer guide - thats really good |
| 04:07.39 | maxrazer | I mean there are guides out there to install Linux on an old macbook with only EFI. I gave up on it though. |
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| 04:12.33 | agio | yeah, as a linux user, I try to identify hardware which is linux, open-source friendly before buying |
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| 04:13.11 | agio | debian installer has a whole section on it |
| 04:13.41 | MaddieNX | good evening everyone :D |
| 04:14.06 | Jmabsd | maxrazer: well, the hybrid ISO thing would need to have an EFI based boot path in one of the hybrid options, that any EFI-only system would be able to process. |
| 04:15.28 | agio | it seems like it does |
| 04:18.27 | agio | its in /efi/boot/bootx64.efi |
| 04:19.22 | agio | how the 1st stage jumps to it - I dont know? |
| 04:20.08 | Jmabsd | agio: the EFI firmware will load that EFI file. |
| 04:20.27 | Jmabsd | agio: and i guess there's a separate ISO filesystem heading somewhere with a typical BIOS/MBR bootstrap boot path too |
| 04:21.20 | agio | once 1st stage loaded - EFI is gone |
| 04:21.25 | agio | i think |
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| 04:22.42 | agio | apparently the thing you want is "UEFI - Compatibility Support Moduleâ |
| 04:22.42 | MaddieNX | anyone knoe of a good editor to program C# in on debian |
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| 04:23.25 | maxrazer | MaddieNX, I hear people say visual studio code |
| 04:23.58 | maxrazer | https://code.visualstudio.com/ |
| 04:24.23 | MaddieNX | ok thank you maxrazer |
| 04:24.46 | agio | ah apparently when booting debian-installer on a UEFI system, the installer checks whether it was started on a BIOS- or on a native UEFI system and installs the corresponding bootloader. |
| 04:25.43 | agio | but doest say anything about how the _installer_ kernel is started |
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| 04:29.10 | maxrazer | Ok, so I get audio in most applications, but not in my game. I'm using the FodQuake source port. It seems to be a problem after I've changed my default sound card that ALSA uses. |
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| 07:01.00 | Jmabsd | The Debian installer by default creates a swap partition with the cryptic name "swap_1 swap swap"? |
| 07:01.47 | selckin | its 2018, why do you have swap |
| 07:02.18 | kts | xfce screen brightness reset to 100 every reboot. |
| 07:03.11 | Jmabsd | selckin: exactly.. is there any way to make the installer *not* create a swap partition? |
| 07:03.16 | Jmabsd | also why on earth is it taking 15% of a disk for it |
| 07:03.40 | BCMM | selckin: are you serious? |
| 07:03.49 | BCMM | selckin: care to explain why swap is obsolete now? |
| 07:04.01 | Jmabsd | BCMM: people haev RAM. |
| 07:04.11 | Jmabsd | BCMM: also you can use a file as swap medium, so preallocating it in the partitioning table is idiotic |
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| 07:04.49 | BCMM | yeah, having a swap *partition* might be obsolete |
| 07:05.02 | BCMM | Jmabsd: but "people have RAM" is a misunderstanding of how swap is used |
| 07:05.24 | n4dir | Jmabsd: i never had problems not adding swap. Probably "manual partitioning" does the trick |
| 07:05.27 | selckin | i'd rather have it kill something then use swap |
| 07:05.38 | BCMM | sometimes it makes more sense to keep some important disk cache in ram than it does to keep part of a running process in RAM |
| 07:05.43 | BCMM | and linux is good at making that decision |
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| 07:05.56 | BCMM | it's not just for when you run out of real memory |
| 07:06.24 | Jmabsd | BCMM: SSD:s are the worst imaginable medium for swapping to |
| 07:06.34 | Jmabsd | 1000 writes, and you're ready to spend 1000 USD on a new SSD! |
| 07:06.38 | Jmabsd | and there's no warranty coverage for that. |
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| 07:07.55 | BCMM | that makes sense for raw flash devices. an "SSD" has wear-leveling, practically by definition |
| 07:07.59 | apollo13 | who pays 1000 $ for an SSD? |
| 07:08.32 | selckin | who doesn't have double the ram then they need in every pc/server anyway |
| 07:08.36 | BCMM | and turning off swapping on Windows is much harder than it is on linux, so i find it extremely unlikely that using swap is a reason to deny warranty claims |
| 07:08.51 | BCMM | selckin: i addressed that above - it's not just about running out of ram |
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| 07:09.18 | Jmabsd | BCMM: each storage unit still only has 1000 writes, so unless you have lots of empty space via TRIM, still the same. |
| 07:09.19 | BCMM | (if your ram is bigger than your filesystem, i retract the above) |
| 07:09.23 | Jmabsd | apollo13: some people. |
| 07:10.57 | GNU\colossus | http://paste.debian.net/plain/1048465 %) |
| 07:11.15 | selckin | BCMM: i'm sure those 100mb it can swap will be a real difference |
| 07:11.19 | BCMM | having no swap just means that the kernel is now arbitrarily restricted in what it can page out to disk. it's reasonable to treat files and process memory equally. |
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| 07:13.46 | n4dir | BCMM: besides the really low-specs machines i never saw swap being used (not arguing, just saying) |
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| 07:14.17 | n4dir | well i hardly do anything with the PC. bit of text-web-browsing, bit of music, bit of chat ... probably that is the reason |
| 07:15.10 | BCMM | n4dir: it probably is true that the gains are often negligible |
| 07:15.46 | BCMM | stuff that will get swapped out on a system with adequate memory is probably stuff like daemon startup code that never gets called again |
| 07:15.50 | BCMM | which is fairly small |
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| 07:16.23 | selckin | much respect for admitting you are wrong |
| 07:16.52 | n4dir | funny sitenote: old how-to of Eric Raymond. Like "with such huge amount of memory we hardly need swap anymore" (he had 64 MB in mind). |
| 07:17.41 | selckin | disk/memory difference in hardware is fastly disapearing too |
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| 07:21.12 | Jmabsd | BCMM: swap is indeed useful as a tool for hindering total system meltdown in case of a short RAM use peak |
| 07:21.30 | Jmabsd | i've had such peaks extremely rarely and only on lower-RAM machines |
| 07:21.53 | Jmabsd | LVM requires an ext2 boot partition with kernel files on it? |
| 07:22.09 | Jmabsd | er, LVM encryption. |
| 07:22.31 | selckin | usually ram cuses system melddown, making every slow down to a grinding halt |
| 07:22.37 | selckin | killing something is much more beneficial |
| 07:22.43 | selckin | s/ram/swap/ |
| 07:23.10 | Jmabsd | any way to get encryption without a swap partition in the Debian installer? |
| 07:23.20 | BCMM | if you have a memory eater, the system will *still* grind to a halt for a while before the oom killer fixes it |
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| 07:23.31 | BCMM | even without swap |
| 07:23.50 | n4dir | Jmabsd: same answer as above, you got to choose "manual partitioning". Sure works for cryptsetup without lvm, not sure about lvm |
| 07:23.52 | BCMM | something like ulimit is a better solution than the oom killer |
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| 07:24.59 | Jmabsd | n4dir: aha. |
| 07:25.15 | Jmabsd | n4dir: how does the encrypted system boot? |
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| 07:26.19 | n4dir | Jmabsd: old notes of me, but don't rely on it: https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/refracta/debian-encrypted-installation-t323.html |
| 07:26.25 | Jmabsd | n4dir,BCMM: so i need, an EFI partition (FAT32), a boot partition?? ext2??, and then the crypto partition |
| 07:26.56 | n4dir | back then no one spoke of EFI, for example ... |
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| 07:27.20 | BCMM | Jmabsd: if you're doing EFI booting, you need an ESP, yes. |
| 07:27.36 | Jmabsd | BCMM: what size recommended, 1.0MB? |
| 07:27.46 | BCMM | that seems small, to me |
| 07:27.51 | Jmabsd | 2MB? |
| 07:28.06 | Jmabsd | let's try 10. |
| 07:28.39 | BCMM | Jmabsd: oh actually 1MB should be ok. mine is much larger, but it turns out that debian is using very little of it |
| 07:28.56 | BCMM | (dual-boot system; windows takes up a lot more of the esp) |
| 07:29.07 | Jmabsd | BCMM: aha. |
| 07:29.38 | BCMM | what i don't understand is why the Windows installer creates a 100MB partition, when it only needs ~18MB of it |
| 07:30.40 | BCMM | i don't know if you can create an fat32 filesystem in just 1mb though |
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| 07:31.54 | BCMM | you can potentially use fat16 or even fat12, but i strongly suspect that that will depend on the uefi implementation |
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| 07:37.42 | BCMM | Jmabsd: looks like fat32 has a minimum size of 2^16 (ish) sectors, and a minimum sector size of 512, for a minimum size of 32MB |
| 07:38.09 | Jmabsd | BCMM: i have decidedly seen 1MB FAT32 partitions |
| 07:38.12 | Jmabsd | i think there's some trick. |
| 07:38.23 | BCMM | Jmabsd: the trick is surely that it's not actually FAT32 |
| 07:38.26 | Jmabsd | to make small partitions. |
| 07:38.36 | Jmabsd | well, booting off them did work. |
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| 07:39.30 | selckin | how small is this disk ? |
| 07:40.21 | BCMM | what selckin said... no harm having it *a few megabytes* larger than needed, if only for future use |
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| 07:41.05 | BCMM | resizing the first partition on the disk is enough of a pain that you might as well waste some minuscule amount of space just in case the next version of grub is much larger |
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| 07:47.06 | inch | resizing the esp partition can be made easier with lvm. If part1 is esp, then make part2 5GiB size, part3 the rest of the disk. Then use 2 and 3 as pvs. If you ever need to enlarge esp, it's easy to move extents out of 2, remove 1 and 2 and create them again with the required sizes. |
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| 07:47.35 | selckin | or just make it 128mb and go to sleep |
| 07:47.42 | inch | exactly |
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| 07:48.17 | inch | Recently I have made bios_grub and esp partitions to all disks just in case. |
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| 07:48.38 | inch | All new disks of course :-) |
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| 07:54.33 | inch | But why can't I install grub-efi and grub-pc at the same time? I'd like to install grub-pc to the bios_grub-partition and grub-efi to the esp partition so that the disk would boot if I need to change it from bios machine to efi machine. |
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| 07:58.40 | Jmabsd | n4dir,BCMM: so the "/boot" partition is an unencrypted ext2 partition containing the kernel. |
| 08:02.05 | Jmabsd | also which encryption mode is preferable, "encryption" or "LVM"? |
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| 08:07.24 | inch | I don't know what the "encryption" option does, but if it doesn't encrypt swap, then use LVM. |
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| 08:10.25 | inch | It would be possible to encrypt the /boot too, but see bug #849400 |
| 08:10.26 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/849400 in debian-installer (open): «debian-installer: LUKS on rootfs and boot»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-12-26; last modified: 2018-07-13. |
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| 08:23.55 | ep4sh | when new version of dovecot will in repos? Available version (2.2.27) has some bugz |
| 08:27.51 | SynQ | has the behaviour of 'apt upgrade' changed recently? After I upgrade my terminal screen is cleared. |
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| 08:39.43 | jelly | SynQ: which debian release? |
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| 08:41.14 | jelly | ,v dovecot-imapd |
| 08:41.15 | judd | Package: dovecot-imapd on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:2.1.7-7+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1:2.1.7-7+deb7u2; jessie: 1:2.2.13-12~deb8u4; jessie-security: 1:2.2.13-12~deb8u4; jessie-backports: 1:2.2.27-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1; stretch: 1:2.2.27-3+deb9u2; stretch-security: 1:2.2.27-3+deb9u2; jessie-backports-sloppy: 1:2.2.33.2-1~bpo8+1; stretch-backports: 1:2.2.34-2~bpo9+1; buster: 1:2.3.2.1-1; sid: |
| 08:41.16 | judd | 1:2.3.3-1 |
| 08:41.20 | SynQ | I see it both on jessie and on stretch |
| 08:41.44 | jelly | SynQ: there's no "apt" command in jessie |
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| 08:43.21 | SynQ | jelly: hmm, let me check |
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| 08:43.23 | ep4sh | debian stretch (with 2.2.27) |
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| 08:44.57 | SynQ | $ cat /etc/debian_version ; which apt |
| 08:44.57 | SynQ | 8.11 |
| 08:44.57 | SynQ | /usr/bin/apt |
| 08:45.03 | SynQ | yes there is :) |
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| 08:47.35 | ep4sh | but i dont need sowftware from backports ;) |
| 08:48.59 | ep4sh | it is frearfull to install to live server |
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| 08:49.10 | ep4sh | i dont have any practice of it |
| 08:49.21 | ep4sh | may be i wrong? |
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| 08:50.58 | SynQ | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/apt |
| 08:51.07 | SynQ | nothing backports about that |
| 08:54.52 | SynQ | could it be my terminal settings? |
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| 08:55.53 | jelly | SynQ: oh, okay, I live in the past |
| 08:56.01 | SynQ | jelly: :) |
| 09:00.22 | SynQ | looks to me that aptitude is currently the recommended way to upgrade https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-uptodate.en.html |
| 09:00.33 | SynQ | though I prefer to use 'apt' |
| 09:00.44 | SynQ | since it is shorter and it does the job |
| 09:01.06 | n4dir | pretty happy that the flamewar apt-get vs aptitude is over ... |
| 09:01.26 | SynQ | it moved to systemd lately :) |
| 09:02.46 | n4dir | let's guess what will be next ... :-) |
| 09:03.13 | SynQ | which linux fork will be used? >:) |
| 09:03.55 | avu | pff, apt. Use dselect! |
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| 09:04.27 | SynQ | avu shrug |
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| 09:36.30 | JohnA | Suggestions for a vpn to use with cell phones connecting to a Debian server (davical, mail ...) |
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| 09:40.01 | SynQ | JohnA: let's connect (aka eduvpn) |
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| 09:41.23 | SynQ | https://letsconnect-vpn.org/ |
| 09:41.34 | SynQ | it's basically openvpn |
| 09:41.49 | SynQ | but it gives your users an easy frontend to manage their certificates |
| 09:41.57 | SynQ | fully opensource (in the debian way) though |
| 09:43.31 | JohnA | SynQ, Thanks I will take a look. |
| 09:44.37 | SynQ | JohnA: you're welcome |
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| 11:01.40 | ocx32 | i would like to setup a roundroubin multiple a-record for 1 hostname is this possible? problem is that always first ip resolves in dnsmasq and not the roundrobin way |
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| 11:43.30 | jolt | ocx32: Are you shure it's supported? |
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| 11:58.37 | project2501a | hey guys |
| 11:58.48 | project2501a | can i manage groups of programs with update-alternatives? |
| 11:59.09 | project2501a | so, if i want to switch GCC, i should also switch all the other sub-modules that gcc requires |
| 11:59.38 | jelly | project2501a: yes and no |
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| 12:00.46 | selckin | don't think so, for example java has a seperate update-java-alternative to update all the java binaries |
| 12:00.49 | jelly | project2501a: see update-java-alternatives and update-glx for examples |
| 12:01.08 | jelly | project2501a: you would have to create a similar tool. |
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| 12:02.05 | themill | also gcc isn't managed by alternatives at all |
| 12:02.07 | jelly | project2501a: and of course you would have to make /usr/bin/gcc and friends be managed via alternatives in the first place. It is not. |
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| 12:04.55 | project2501a | jelly: spasiba tawarich :D |
| 12:04.57 | project2501a | runs |
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| 12:05.53 | project2501a | jelly: i'm trying to see if i need the env-modules package, or i can manage compiling cluster stuff using update-alternatives |
| 12:06.07 | project2501a | so far update-alternative loses cuz it's not viable for multi-user environments |
| 12:06.12 | project2501a | like in a cluster |
| 12:06.35 | project2501a | also, the gcc packages do not come with update-alternative options by default, which sucks. |
| 12:06.51 | project2501a | but then, they do not come with environmental modules |
| 12:06.55 | project2501a | either |
| 12:06.58 | selckin | time for being a hipster with docker |
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| 12:07.15 | project2501a | meh, i'm more basic. environmental modules |
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| 12:11.14 | themill | modules is much more sensible for that usage |
| 12:13.36 | themill | (cluster users would generally expect to be able to `module load foo` too) |
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| 12:19.49 | xinming | How can I know wether the package is installed from testing or sid? |
| 12:21.11 | jolt | xinming: apt show package shows which source it was installed from at least |
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| 12:21.43 | jolt | xinming: or apt policy |
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| 12:24.24 | murii | Hello, I removed my previous version of gcc and g++ and downgraded but "ld" still shows the newer version even though CMake shows I'm using version 5 |
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| 12:29.20 | Haohmaru | ld might be part of binutils |
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| 12:30.52 | RoyK | murii: mixing debian versjons or something? ;) |
| 12:31.02 | RoyK | !sns |
| 12:31.03 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 12:31.23 | RoyK | s/versjons/versions/ |
| 12:31.33 | xinming | jolt: Thanks, Will check |
| 12:31.40 | murii | No,no,nothing like that. I'm here to clean a mess |
| 12:32.33 | murii | gcc/g++ was deleted from the newer version. gcc/g++ was installed to a older version and now the newver version still shows up in "ld" |
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| 12:32.58 | RoyK | and ld is part of binutils, not gcc |
| 12:33.16 | RoyK | as mentioned by Haohmaru above |
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| 12:33.21 | murii | doesn't matter, it says I use: libc.so.6 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0x00007f2f2c453000) |
| 12:33.32 | murii | but ^ is no more |
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| 12:34.26 | RoyK | murii: perhaps you have a broken system, tne |
| 12:34.29 | RoyK | *then* |
| 12:37.24 | RoyK | murii: have you or someone installed packages from sid/testing on stable on this system? |
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| 12:39.23 | NetTerminalGene | firefox-esr has DRM module? |
| 12:39.49 | NetTerminalGene | i mean digital restriction mechanism |
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| 12:46.21 | murii | RoyK: can I at least rename libc.so.6 into libc.so.5? |
| 12:46.35 | murii | hmm,that wouldn't be a good idea,nvm |
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| 13:08.31 | nyov | murii: the 6 in libc.so.6 is the library soname. it has nothing to do with the compiler version. don't fix stuff that is not broken |
| 13:10.04 | nyov | murii: about libc, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_C_Library#Fork_%22Linux_libc%22 |
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| 13:27.00 | shtrb | what tool should I be looking at to see the reject email if no signed by mime/pgp ? (got a reject email from a server that says rejected because not pgp signed from a blacklisted ip range) |
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| 13:44.26 | EdePopede | is it possible to use debian without that gvfs crap? at least this gfvsd-metadata pisses me off about every day. it think i'd have to use a wm/de not based on gtk and no such programs, is this correct? |
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| 13:45.01 | shtrb | tes |
| 13:45.01 | EdePopede | less invasive method maybe? not loading -metadata or is there a config for it? |
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| 13:45.48 | shtrb | EdePopede, yes you can |
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| 13:48.52 | cronolio | hi. i'am on debian testing and my firefox 52.9.0 won't play some youtube videos (streams) with error not supported videoformat |
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| 13:49.18 | thejack92_ | Hi! |
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| 13:49.49 | shtrb | cronolio, does it says which one ? |
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| 13:49.57 | n4dir | cronolio: i think firefox upgraded recently ? no clue if that might be the problem ... |
| 13:50.08 | n4dir | upgraded in debian stable, not in general |
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| 13:53.11 | EdePopede | firefox-esr 60.2.2esr-1~deb9u1 is waiting besides 52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1 |
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| 13:53.46 | petn-randall | cronolio: Firefox 52 should not be in any Debian release anymore. You need to update your system. |
| 13:53.57 | petn-randall | ,v firefox-esr |
| 13:53.59 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.9.0esr-1; stretch-proposed-updates: 60.2.2esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 60.2.2esr-1~deb9u1; sid: 60.2.2esr-1 |
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| 13:55.16 | cronolio | i'm on buster |
| 13:55.36 | cronolio | no updates for ff there |
| 13:55.41 | petn-randall | cronolio: Seems as though it's stuck there due to a library transition. I recommend pulling FF ESR from sid, as the one in buster is not supported anymore. |
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| 14:03.13 | SynQ | quite lame that when you are on buster there is no usable firefox available |
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| 14:03.28 | SynQ | no way am I going to go down the slippery slope of sid |
| 14:04.25 | SynQ | then again, I choose buster myself :P |
| 14:04.26 | petn-randall | SynQ: Why would you then use an unreleased version of Debian if you don't like unfinished releases? |
| 14:04.42 | SynQ | petn-randall: that :) |
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| 14:05.07 | cronolio | ff from sid works fine |
| 14:05.19 | petn-randall | cronolio: Glad I could help :) |
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| 14:05.59 | n4dir | SynQ: if you run testing, then adding Sid repos and making buster default is very useful. Probably way better than running pure testing. |
| 14:06.01 | cronolio | thank you ^) |
| 14:06.23 | petn-randall | !tum |
| 14:06.23 | dpkg | «echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution. |
| 14:06.30 | SynQ | that sounds like a plan |
| 14:06.42 | petn-randall | cronolio: These are the instruction to mix buster and sid, but keep buster the default release ^^^. |
| 14:06.51 | SynQ | thanks |
| 14:07.52 | cronolio | petn-randall: now i will ask you if any problem with sid :-D |
| 14:08.40 | petn-randall | cronolio: No, but you can ask: |
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| 14:08.43 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
| 14:08.44 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 14:08.58 | petn-randall | cronolio: That's where all the testing/sid users hang out. ^^^ |
| 14:09.00 | petn-randall | :) |
| 14:10.00 | EdePopede | my upgrade just said "Unpacking tzdata (2018f-0+deb9u1) over (2018e-0+deb9u1) ..." and apt-cache shows both versions. is it the same thing as with transition with firefox-esr from 52 to 60? and https://packages.debian.org/stretch/tzdata hasn't been updated yet, correct? |
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| 14:12.35 | tazou | Hello, I'm trying to rebuild the pxe kernel for stable, but I don't find the ".config" file used to build this kernel contained in this archive http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/netboot.tar.gz Do you know where is this file please ? |
| 14:14.50 | SynQ | petn-randall n4dir thanks... running buster+sid now (and joined the debian-next channel) |
| 14:14.58 | cronolio | petn-randall: thank again. i think solution with sid for me for a while solution. until testing get a new ff version. seeyaa :) |
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| 14:41.36 | petn-randall | EdePopede: Can you show us the output of `apt-cache policy tzdata`? |
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| 14:45.18 | EdePopede | petn-randall > http://paste.debian.net/1048516 |
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| 14:46.37 | petn-randall | EdePopede: The lower versioned one is the one shipped with the "stretch" repos, the newer one is for "stretch-updates". It's split because the "stretch" repo is huuuge, and thus it is synced at a lower interval than the other repos. |
| 14:47.07 | EdePopede | indeed huge, 14 DVDs in total iirc? |
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| 14:48.09 | petn-randall | EdePopede: about 3 TB, give or take: https://www.debian.org/mirror/size |
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| 14:57.31 | bernat | Hi. I'm login with SSH to a debian server using a normal user but I get a terminal being the root user. How is this done? |
| 14:58.54 | Eduard_Munteanu | bernat, so you're saying you're a normal user on the local machine, but root on the remote machine? |
| 14:59.01 | nkuttler | bernat: could be many things... ask whoever set this up? |
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| 14:59.53 | bernat | nkuttler: I can't |
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| 15:00.20 | bernat | Eduard_Munteanu: Yes, and I'm logging in with a non-root user. |
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| 15:01.45 | Eduard_Munteanu | bernat, maybe you have the user set to root in your ~/.ssh/config |
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| 15:06.32 | nkuttler | bernat: what's the output of whoami |
| 15:06.38 | nkuttler | bernat: echo $SHELL |
| 15:06.41 | nkuttler | id |
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| 15:07.15 | bernat | whoami: root |
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| 15:07.32 | bernat | echo $SHELL: /bin/bash |
| 15:07.42 | bernat | id: uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root) |
| 15:08.17 | nkuttler | bernat: look at your ~/.bashrc, ~/.profile etc, see man bash |
| 15:08.30 | bernat | I did |
| 15:08.34 | nkuttler | also, is sudo in your groups? |
| 15:08.40 | bernat | no |
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| 15:09.01 | nkuttler | ls -l $(which bash) |
| 15:09.21 | bernat | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1029624 Nov 5 2016 /bin/bash |
| 15:09.49 | nyov | uhm, you rather need to look at your sshd config if you want to figure out the "why". and then, perhaps PAM |
| 15:10.22 | bernat | if I run "su - myuser" I'm still root |
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| 15:10.53 | nkuttler | does this happen only for that user, or also for new users you create? |
| 15:11.24 | nyov | looks like the user is somehow linked to/an alias for root. heh |
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| 15:11.58 | nyov | bernat: check /etc/passwd for the user's id/group? |
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| 15:12.28 | Jmabsd | Did anyone make an USB memory stick that boots your Debian installation of your SSD on a computer that doesn't support booting off SSD:s? |
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| 15:14.00 | nyov | why would it not support booting off of SSDs? well, grab a stick and install grub/lilo on it |
| 15:14.27 | bernat | aha, the user id in /etc/passwd is 0, the same as root |
| 15:14.32 | nyov | hahaha |
| 15:14.44 | nyov | toor user |
| 15:14.49 | bernat | I had never seen this before |
| 15:15.00 | nkuttler | yeah, you can do that |
| 15:15.06 | bernat | An uncommon practice I guess |
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| 15:17.02 | nyov | nothing speaks against renaming users, but not many do that with root unless for some security by obscurity |
| 15:17.35 | nyov | yet linking them, I never saw before |
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| 15:18.34 | bernat | I was confused, I don't usually work as root on a server, and being forced to it in such a way was weird. |
| 15:18.41 | bernat | Thanks! |
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| 15:23.47 | nyov | that setup should have a big login warning. effective root all the time %) |
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| 15:32.44 | NetTerminalGene | does firefox-esr uses system certificate stuff? |
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| 15:32.59 | NetTerminalGene | i mean whitelisted by debian |
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| 15:36.17 | SanchoPensa | hey guys! |
| 15:36.35 | SanchoPensa | I just installed libdvdcrss2, as i cannot seem to play an audio cd |
| 15:36.42 | SanchoPensa | says locaiton cannot be mounted. |
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| 15:37.13 | SanchoPensa | unfortunately did not solve the problem, there seems to be some sort of copy protection on it, any suggestions, please? |
| 15:39.03 | nyov | dvdcss is a content scrambling system for DVDs. it can't protect audio CD's |
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| 15:40.08 | PaddyF | i cant play "Katie Melua" products due to their digital rights management stuff |
| 15:40.22 | SanchoPensa | mplayer -cdrom-device /dev/cdrom -cache 5000 cdda://1 |
| 15:40.32 | SanchoPensa | this command works though, how the heck is that possible? |
| 15:40.40 | PaddyF | magic |
| 15:40.42 | n4dir | i don't think you mount audio CD's to play them. |
| 15:40.58 | nyov | nope |
| 15:41.00 | colo-work | n4dir is right, you don't |
| 15:41.16 | SanchoPensa | n4dir: but i will certainly have to mount it to see it's contents, right? |
| 15:41.31 | nyov | there are no data contents to see |
| 15:41.32 | SanchoPensa | ok, ok, so, why does vlc refuse to play it? |
| 15:41.34 | colo-work | (there's pseudo-filesystems that visualize CDDA tracks, but that's not an in-kernel thing) |
| 15:41.47 | SanchoPensa | hmm... |
| 15:41.50 | PaddyF | ah, mplayer |
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| 15:42.00 | SanchoPensa | hehe, yep! :D |
| 15:42.18 | n4dir | SanchoPensa: i recall that i had problems to play (not mount) audio CD's, and was told: might be easier to just rip them (say with abcde). Too long ago though |
| 15:42.23 | SanchoPensa | usually, there is not much, dat vlc cannot do... |
| 15:43.12 | SanchoPensa | n4dir: that is again interesting, I had exactly the same thought! :D |
| 15:43.29 | SanchoPensa | ok, thanks guys, I'll find out, how to help myself.-.. |
| 15:43.52 | n4dir | the ripper ! (powell-peralta ... ). |
| 15:43.59 | colo-work | you'll probably need to tell vlc that you expect it to play a CDDA disk by some sort of protocol prefix, like you did with mplayer above |
| 15:44.10 | orb | is it on a laptop? |
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| 15:44.22 | SanchoPensa | orb aye |
| 15:44.37 | SanchoPensa | colo-work: and I just figured it out! :D |
| 15:45.01 | colo-work | fine :) |
| 15:45.13 | orb | in the old days, on a pc, the drive could play CDs as if it were an ordinary CD player. |
| 15:45.13 | SanchoPensa | you really need to click the audio cd radio button, it wont play with dvd checked. |
| 15:45.24 | SanchoPensa | orb agree |
| 15:45.41 | Eduard_Munteanu | Well, it's not a DVD. :) |
| 15:45.43 | orb | assuming the audio wire was connected to the motherboard :D |
| 15:45.52 | colo-work | orb, that's because it used a direct, analouge connection between the CD-ROM drive and the sound card |
| 15:46.00 | orb | sure |
| 15:46.01 | SanchoPensa | hehehe, and they autostarted to play too! |
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| 16:00.54 | SanchoPensa | soundcard...anybody remember soundblaster? :D geez, it takes liḱe 4 Minutes to extract a track from the CD, and afterwards lame takes like 10 secs to encode it. |
| 16:00.54 | SanchoPensa | Back in the days lame tokk like thrice as long as the extracting took... :D now, I cannot remotely remember, when i last fired ripperx up, but I do certainly realize, that things have changed concerning hardware! Yay! times r goot! :D |
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| 16:05.44 | TehRabbitt | Morning \o |
| 16:05.57 | TehRabbitt | so i'm getting an interesting error when trying to apt-update. |
| 16:06.05 | TehRabbitt | "N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default." |
| 16:06.23 | TehRabbitt | I'm using a local repo in-house to update from, and I have [trusted=yes] configured |
| 16:06.31 | TehRabbitt | I can't seem to get it to ignore that it's unsigned. |
| 16:07.08 | TehRabbitt | deb [trusted=yes] http |
| 16:07.13 | TehRabbitt | etc. |
| 16:08.49 | TehRabbitt | in addition: |
| 16:08.50 | TehRabbitt | E: The repository 'http://deb.debian.org/debian stetch Release' does not have a Release file. N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default. |
| 16:09.04 | TehRabbitt | ah I typoed that one I think |
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| 16:09.56 | TehRabbitt | yeah, so it works when I update against the public debian repo, but not my in-house one |
| 16:10.16 | TehRabbitt | any ideas why it's ignoring [trusted=yes] and --allow-unsigned? |
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| 16:14.28 | PaddyF | TehRabbitt: can you copy your sources.list entry to a pastebin? |
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| 16:17.53 | TehRabbitt | PaddyF: Sure, it's a single line. |
| 16:18.16 | TehRabbitt | deb [trusted=yes] http://10.10.100.100/ stretch main |
| 16:18.42 | TehRabbitt | that one, it finds the repo, but it won't pull against it since it's unsigned... even with the trusted=yes |
| 16:19.22 | TehRabbitt | PaddyF: This seems to only be an issue with clients running stretch since jessie is unaffected and listens to [trusted=yes] |
| 16:19.44 | PaddyF | TehRabbitt: looks fine, yes |
| 16:20.07 | TehRabbitt | yeah, it's just bizarre that it's flat-out ignoring the option |
| 16:20.29 | PaddyF | have you consulted the bug tracker already? |
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| 16:21.34 | TehRabbitt | PaddyF: yeah, lots of "resolved" issues stating to use [trusted=yes] |
| 16:21.40 | TehRabbitt | and that it's intended. |
| 16:22.18 | PaddyF | you mentioned jessie - did you dist-upgrade from jessie to this stretch version? |
| 16:23.26 | rany | TehRabbitt: Does [Allow-Insecure=yes] work? |
| 16:23.30 | TehRabbitt | PaddyF: I beleive so, a while back. |
| 16:23.32 | TehRabbitt | rany: let me try |
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| 16:24.25 | TehRabbitt | rany: nope. |
| 16:24.27 | TehRabbitt | N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default. |
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| 16:29.28 | PaddyF | TehRabbitt: what about APT::Authentication::TrustCDROM "true"; |
| 16:29.53 | TehRabbitt | PaddyF: where would I put that? |
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| 16:30.08 | PaddyF | in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d a file like 00trustcd |
| 16:30.26 | TehRabbitt | It's a local server repo though, not a CDRom, does it matter? |
| 16:30.35 | PaddyF | oops |
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| 16:32.42 | PaddyF | then i must pass, sorry |
| 16:32.47 | TehRabbitt | PaddyF: yeah, I checked that file btw and it exists too lol |
| 16:32.51 | TehRabbitt | yeah, i'm stumped on why it's doing this., |
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| 16:34.35 | Gordio | Hi. Please, help skip this stage - ifneq (,$(filter $(distrelease),sid buster bionic cosmic)) |
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| 16:35.21 | Gordio | What need to provide to command `dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d` ? |
| 16:35.48 | greycat | Gordio: dpkg-dev and fakeroot, at a minimum |
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| 16:38.48 | rany | TehRabbitt: you have to keep [trusted=yes] and run "apt-get --allow-unauthenticated update" |
| 16:39.09 | TehRabbitt | let me try |
| 16:39.59 | TehRabbitt | yeah that seemed to have worked. |
| 16:40.08 | TehRabbitt | so there's no way to disable that as well? |
| 16:40.24 | rany | TehRabbitt: you mean add it automatically? |
| 16:40.53 | Gordio | greycat: I don't understand what you mean. |
| 16:41.05 | greycat | Those are the packages that provide those commands. |
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| 16:41.57 | TehRabbitt | rany: yeah, as in so I can run a regular "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" without having to specify --allow-unauthenticated update" |
| 16:42.09 | Gordio | I need to compile Python3-3.6.6 and make deb package for raspbian. But don't have gcc-8, and in debian/rules I found that code 'ifneq (,$(filter $(distrelease),sid buster bionic cosmic))' on "True" it use gcc-8 |
| 16:42.31 | greycat | If you need help on Raspbian, please join the raspbian channel instead of the debian channel. |
| 16:42.49 | Gordio | I have problem with debian file |
| 16:43.13 | Gordio | `debian/rules` in package. Not sure how to skip stage when gcc-8 is used |
| 16:43.33 | greycat | Porting a Debian package to Raspbian is ALSO not something we are likely to be able to help you with. |
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| 16:44.38 | Gordio | greycat: it's not porting "raspbian specific" package. It's building python3.6 from newest debian (next-stable) for oldest (stable). |
| 16:45.00 | Gordio | In stable is not exist gcc-8, only gcc-6 |
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| 16:45.17 | TehRabbitt | rany: i'm guessing there's no config file change I can make to just allow unauthenticated? |
| 16:45.29 | rany | TehRabbitt: APT { Get { AllowUnauthenticated "1"; }; }; |
| 16:45.35 | rany | add this to config |
| 16:45.50 | TehRabbitt | rany: which config though, the sources list? or one of the .d files? |
| 16:46.00 | rany | but it will only work for apt-get not newer apt |
| 16:46.07 | TehRabbitt | ah I see. |
| 16:46.12 | TehRabbitt | so it won't work for apt, just apt-get |
| 16:46.15 | greycat | TehRabbitt: that would be an apt.conf thing |
| 16:46.42 | TehRabbitt | greycat: I see |
| 16:46.59 | rany | it's better to create a file in apt.conf.d so you can manage bettwer |
| 16:47.02 | rany | better * |
| 16:47.14 | greycat | *shrug*& |
| 16:47.19 | TehRabbitt | so just 00localRepo containing the string above? |
| 16:48.10 | TehRabbitt | well, that seems to have worked. |
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| 16:48.22 | greycat | does it really fail with "apt"? |
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| 16:48.31 | TehRabbitt | greycat: seems to work with apt and apt-get |
| 16:48.36 | greycat | OK, good. |
| 16:48.46 | TehRabbitt | thanks :) |
| 16:49.20 | rany | greycat: but in the man page it says that Get group only controls apt-get |
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| 16:49.58 | TehRabbitt | saves me quite some time. the repo it pulls from internally is aptly based, but unsigned since I had many issues with it having both jessie and stretch on the same box w/ the latest version of aptly which supports signing, so until I can figure out how to fix that, I need to be able to update systems etc :P |
| 16:50.10 | greycat | I see "The Get subsection controls the apt-get(8) tool". I do NOT see the word "only" nor any indication that it excludes specific tools. |
| 16:50.37 | TehRabbitt | and the aptly repo is just all 3 debian repos (main, security, updates) rolled into one |
| 16:50.43 | rany | OK, thanks :) |
| 16:50.58 | TehRabbitt | (it honestly works really well, just a bit slow taking snapshots) |
| 16:53.00 | TehRabbitt | greycat: so I've confirmed it working on both apt and apt-get on two systems now :) |
| 16:53.27 | greycat | A lot of the documentation for APT stuff was written before there was an actual "apt" command, so it may be confusing. |
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| 17:47.38 | angelo_ts | hi all, i am in sid, openbox, working as normal user, trying to have the usb stick auto-mounted as rw. Now it's read-only. Seems i cannot find the proper help googling from an hour, any help appreciated |
| 17:48.24 | greycat | If the device has a vfat file system, probably what you need is for it to be mounted with the -o uid=... option so that you are the forged owner, instead of root. |
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| 17:49.17 | angelo_ts | it's an ext3 stick |
| 17:49.34 | angelo_ts | i would like all the sticks auto.-mounted rw |
| 17:49.58 | greycat | Then the file system permissions are defined by the CONTENTS of the file system. Or did you mean that the entire file system is being mounted read-only? That would be bizarre. |
| 17:51.44 | rany | angelo_ts: can you show me the output of mount? |
| 17:51.49 | angelo_ts | i see |
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| 17:52.27 | angelo_ts | this is the mount output |
| 17:52.29 | angelo_ts | https://pastebin.com/8DzLRNp0 |
| 17:52.32 | angelo_ts | seems rw |
| 17:52.57 | angelo_ts | but if i open dolphin, click the usb device, i cannot write/delete any file |
| 17:53.05 | rany | angelo_ts: then you need to change the chown of the mount dir as root |
| 17:53.24 | rany | angelo_ts: when you first create an ext partition the owner is set as root |
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| 17:53.55 | angelo_ts | so you say the issue is related to partition of type ext |
| 17:54.22 | rany | no, I'm saying you need to change the owner of the mount dir |
| 17:54.29 | rany | but filesystem does matter |
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| 17:55.26 | greycat | You need to chown the directory(ies) that you want to write to, on the mounted file system. Not the mount point itself. |
| 17:55.31 | angelo_ts | but the mount dir is automatically created, should i have to change the owner manyally each time ? |
| 17:55.49 | greycat | THe file system permissions come from the CONTENT on the device. |
| 17:56.08 | rany | greycat: i meant the root dir |
| 17:56.15 | angelo_ts | ok |
| 17:56.19 | rany | and run it recursively |
| 17:56.22 | greycat | The device has a file system that says "root rwxr-xr-x" and you will get that every time it's mounted until youy change it ON THE MOUNTED DEVICE. |
| 17:56.29 | greycat | NOT in the underlying Debian file system. |
| 17:59.06 | rany | angelo_ts: chown -R angelo /media/angelo/bb1d7fc9-08ad-4ee1-9dd6-e9eb4184ad41 |
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| 18:00.51 | angelo_ts | rany, oh thanks now it works |
| 18:01.17 | angelo_ts | initially i chown'ed -R angelo:angelo all files inside,m but still was not working |
| 18:01.32 | chachasmooth_ | will buster ship the 4.19 kernel? |
| 18:01.53 | angelo_ts | rany, so what is the difference from chowning all files inside or chown -R angelo /media/angelo/bb1d7fc9-08ad-4ee1-9dd6-e9eb4184ad41 ^ |
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| 18:02.11 | annadane | chachasmooth_, most probably yes but you can also ask #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 18:02.22 | greycat | the command you were given chowns starting from the root directory of the mounted file system. |
| 18:02.25 | annadane | but i wouldn't think the answer would change - 4.19 is supposed to be LTS |
| 18:02.26 | chachasmooth_ | annadane thx, will do |
| 18:02.54 | greycat | the ability to create a file within a directory is determined by the file system permissions of the directory |
| 18:03.07 | rany | angelo_ts: when you chown /media/angelo/bb1d7fc9-08ad-4ee1-9dd6-e9eb4184ad41 you can create files inside. but if you chown all files inside the folder then you will only be able to change the files but not create new ones |
| 18:03.29 | rany | inside the folder |
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| 18:03.44 | Malinux | anyone know what causing this? https://paste.debian.net/1048541/ apt dist-upgrade is about to break my sytem, uninstalling gnome and some packages is kept back. I suspect it is because of som packages from backports. This is the packages I have installed from backports: https://paste.debian.net/1048542/ |
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| 18:04.04 | angelo_ts | rany, seems i couldn't even delete them still |
| 18:04.10 | greycat | removing "gnome" is utterly harmless. "gnome" is just a metapackage. |
| 18:04.21 | greycat | ,info gnome |
| 18:04.22 | judd | Package gnome (metapackages, optional) in stretch/amd64: Full GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components. Version: 1:3.22+3; Size: 24.2k; Installed: 33k; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/gnome |
| 18:04.33 | rany | greycat: it also deletes xorg |
| 18:04.40 | greycat | ,info xorg |
| 18:04.41 | judd | Package xorg (x11, optional) in stretch/amd64: X.Org X Window System. Version: 1:7.7+19; Size: 37.5k; Installed: 52k; Homepage: http://www.x.org/ |
| 18:04.48 | annadane | Malinux, can you pastebin apt-cache policy |
| 18:05.12 | rany | so its not harmless |
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| 18:05.31 | greycat | Now, if it were to remove something actually important like xserver-xorg then that would be a whole different story. |
| 18:05.32 | Malinux | annadane: apt-cache policy: http://paste.debian.net/1048543/ |
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| 18:08.52 | jhutchins_wk | !rwntfs |
| 18:08.52 | dpkg | NTFS-3G is a userspace driver providing NTFS read and write support. "aptitude install ntfs-3g". Usage examples: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/#usage . Also ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
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| 18:09.15 | jhutchins_wk | AH, that's it: |
| 18:09.21 | greycat | opens the original link ... oh, xserver-xorg *is* on the removal list. Yeah, definitely don't let it go through with that. |
| 18:09.31 | jhutchins_wk | !user accessible ntfs |
| 18:09.31 | dpkg | To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field. |
| 18:09.38 | greycat | People reporting the harmless symptoms instead of the real, important symptoms.... |
| 18:10.19 | jhutchins_wk | angelo_ts: That should give you an idea of the options you need. You can put them in fstab under the UUID of the drive, or the mount point if you use multiple drives. |
| 18:10.23 | greycat | In any case, the apt-cache policy output is a total disaster. "repo.vivaldi.com", "ppa.launchpad.net", ...? |
| 18:10.51 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: Yeah, I would expect that system to be broken. |
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| 18:11.03 | greycat | Anything with "ppa" in it just means "run away!" |
| 18:11.09 | annadane | !don't break debian |
| 18:11.09 | dpkg | dont break debian is, like, https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 18:17.55 | qwebirc57341 | I've compared package versions of ubuntu 18.10 and debian unstable on distrowatch and they're pretty much the same, can i expect similar stability between the two? |
| 18:18.05 | apollo13 | no |
| 18:18.17 | qwebirc57341 | why not? |
| 18:19.10 | Malinux | so I should remove vivaldi? |
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| 18:20.09 | greycat | I have no idea what vivaldi is, other than a composer of classical music. The one that screams "NOOOOO!" immediately is the one that says "ppa" in it. |
| 18:20.17 | greycat | !ppa |
| 18:20.17 | dpkg | [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas or <launchpad>). PPAs are either: (a) an easy way to grab packages based on nightly-builds/VCS snapshots or (b) an easy way for any idiot to publish a package of extremely poor quality (remember, you will run the maintainer scripts as root during install!). Choose your repos wisely. No equivalent exists for Debian yet. Ask me about <why not use a ppa>. |
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| 18:21.39 | Malinux | greycat: vivaldi is a browser |
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| 18:21.42 | nyov | Malinux: that's likely not the issue |
| 18:21.49 | annadane | qwebirc57341, depends on the package. also, please don't install ubuntu or debian unstable packages into your debian stable |
| 18:22.14 | Malinux | nyov: I don't think it is the issue my self, as I have never experienced this with vivaldi before. My suspicion is something from backports, but I might of course be wrong |
| 18:22.45 | annadane | it's still a bad idea in general to add third party repositories, with very limited exceptions |
| 18:23.26 | Malinux | annadane: I see. maybe I can have nextcloud from another source. |
| 18:23.46 | n4dir | and sure not any repository you run into. If you really want something, and you made sure there is nothing accordingly in the debian repos, then ... perhaps. |
| 18:23.49 | qwebirc57341 | annadane, i'm not planning to, i want to either install ubuntu 18.10 or debian unstable on my system and was wondering if unstable is comparable in stability as they have pretty much the same packages, if debian unstable was quite a bit "unstabler" i would tend to ubuntu |
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| 18:24.59 | annadane | qwebirc57341, YMMV, but anecdotally people have run sid for years without too many issues, just be cautious and read https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#What_are_some_best_practices_for_testing.2Fsid_users.3F |
| 18:25.38 | nyov | Malinux: you can move all your different sources to their own files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ -- then you can append '.disabled' to the filename to ignore them temporarily |
| 18:26.18 | greycat | or, just put # in front of their lines in sources.list |
| 18:26.25 | nyov | Malinux: then you can do an apt-get update and check again if your dist-upgrade doesn't break stuff, or upgrade packages incrementally |
| 18:26.26 | qwebirc57341 | annadane, thanks, sounds like it should be comparable, i will go for debian then |
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| 18:26.47 | nyov | greycat: right |
| 18:26.49 | nyov | :) |
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| 18:27.08 | RoyK | Malinux: perhaps try to remove/purge vivaldi first and then see if it works better |
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| 18:27.46 | nyov | Malinux: another option is to try aptitude. usually it has better reporting of why it want's to do something |
| 18:28.01 | annadane | the most destructive would be the ppa |
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| 18:28.31 | annadane | but i guess it depends on specifics, aptitude may help, but i don't know how well it works with PPAs |
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| 18:29.17 | Malinux | RoyK: I doubt it is because of Vivaldi |
| 18:29.32 | rany | Malinux: if you need nextcloud install the flatpak |
| 18:29.45 | Malinux | rany: ok |
| 18:29.52 | rany | it's better than adding repos |
| 18:30.00 | annadane | also idk about nextcloud but definitely browsers, like, they can just be put wherever one puts third-party software safely, /opt or /usr/local or the home directory |
| 18:30.11 | RoyK | rany: flatpak? |
| 18:30.15 | nyov | side-loading is better than repos? |
| 18:30.24 | RoyK | ,v flatpak |
| 18:30.25 | judd | Package: flatpak on amd64 -- stretch-security: 0.8.5-2+deb9u1; jessie-backports: 0.8.9-0+deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.8.9-0+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 1.0.3-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.0.4-1; sid: 1.0.4-1 |
| 18:30.38 | Malinux | rany: I see. Hopefully it works with flatpak. I have installed gimp 2.10 with flatpak and I had to manually mess around to have a launcher when I use <super> and search for application |
| 18:31.23 | rany | Malinux: I'm running the flatpak and it runs well. You just need to manually create the autostart entry |
| 18:31.30 | RoyK | ,info flatpak |
| 18:31.31 | judd | Package flatpak (admin, optional) in stretch/amd64: Application deployment framework for desktop apps. Version: 0.8.9-0+deb9u1; Size: 522.6k; Installed: 2837k; Homepage: http://flatpak.org/ |
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| 18:31.56 | Malinux | rany: yeah, and I don't like to add autostart entries, etc |
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| 18:32.35 | rany | Malinux: you can use mine if that helps |
| 18:33.05 | Malinux | rany: I helps in the short run |
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| 18:33.38 | Malinux | I think I try to remove packages installed with backports first, and see if things gets back to normal |
| 18:34.38 | Malinux | Then I can try nextcloud from flatpak and see if is is as simple as it seems, and If I have to mess with manually making laucnhers, etc, I will still limit use of flatpaks |
| 18:35.04 | rany | Malinux: here is the autostart file: https://paste.debian.net/1048546/ |
| 18:35.24 | annadane | i'd still think it's more the ppa at fault than backports, but whatever... |
| 18:35.41 | Malinux | this is from aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 18:35.43 | Malinux | http://paste.debian.net/1048547/ |
| 18:36.02 | annadane | oh. i literally just had this issue |
| 18:36.04 | Malinux | bpo is mentioned |
| 18:36.20 | annadane | hang on let me find the relevant irc log |
| 18:36.32 | Malinux | annadane: okey :) thanx |
| 18:36.45 | annadane | (that said PLEASE remove your ppa...) |
| 18:36.52 | Malinux | annadane: :) |
| 18:37.16 | Malinux | I can comment out the nextcloud ppa then, and do an apt update and a apt dist-upgrade |
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| 18:40.26 | annadane | Malinux, try: apt install -t stretch-backports libgbm1:i386 libgbm1 |
| 18:41.05 | annadane | (this will likely require a reboot after) |
| 18:41.14 | annadane | or uh, restart your display manager |
| 18:42.05 | Malinux | annadane: ok |
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| 18:43.27 | Malinux | annadane: I installed the packages. Should I restart my displaymanger right away? |
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| 18:44.51 | annadane | may as well |
| 18:45.46 | Malinux | annadane: thanx, now this is the output from apt dist-upgrade https://paste.debian.net/1048549/ |
| 18:46.03 | Malinux | so it wasn't the ppa's :p :) |
| 18:46.12 | annadane | yeah, but get rid of it anyway |
| 18:46.42 | annadane | keep whatever dot files (configuration files in your home directory) or other configs you want if you care about that, and then get rid of it |
| 18:47.39 | Malinux | annadane: I will get rid of it anyway as long as it is possible to |
| 18:47.50 | Malinux | annadane: ok |
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| 18:49.46 | Malinux | annadane: and thanx :) |
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| 18:54.34 | annadane | one annoyance with aptitude is if you follow its recommendation and you have apt autoremove-able packages, it will ALSO REMOVE THOSE. bad. |
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| 18:55.30 | greycat | I dislike autoremove so strongly that I modified my apt config to mark everything as ineligible for autoremove, period. |
| 18:55.59 | n4dir | i autoremove as if there was no tomorrow. |
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| 18:56.41 | annadane | it's fine as long as you're careful about what you did actually remove in the first place... |
| 18:57.04 | Malinux | annadane: ok :) |
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| 18:57.49 | annadane | but gnome is particularly terrible about this kind of thing, maybe also kde plasma a bit. i think removing gnome-games under some circumstances will also remove the desktop, or put it in the autoremovable list |
| 18:57.59 | greycat | It's designed to be mostly harmless, and I'm sure the vast majority of Debian users leave it in place, though I can't even guess how many ever explicitly run an autoremove. |
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| 18:58.37 | rany | I run autoremove... never had any problems with it |
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| 19:02.28 | annadane | i keep a mental map in my head of what such and such package dragged in and the common pitfalls like the gnome-games example |
| 19:02.45 | annadane | and i basically just don't read the list apart from that because i don't uninstall a million packages a day |
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| 19:03.22 | annadane | (you don't have to. apt does the dependency resolving stuff really well) |
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| 19:03.47 | Doerno | Hello. I am experiencing random kernel freezes since I upgraded from Jessie to Stretch. I installed Kernel 4.18 but the issue still exists./var/log/messages as well as journal are not giving any useful information. Any tip will be appreciated! |
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| 19:04.47 | Doerno | When the freezing strikes, I can not use Sysrq functionality and the only hard reboot is possible. |
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| 19:05.13 | n4dir | the worst which happened to me was that i had to reinstall stuff i removed per accident. But then: as i don't use (big) meta-packages .. |
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| 19:09.59 | Malinux | annadane: I am now using flatpak and will change what is installed from third party repoes with flatpak. Does tab-complete works for the apps-names? when doing flatpak install <package-name> ? |
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| 19:10.18 | annadane | idk. not too familiar with flatpaks |
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| 19:11.40 | Malinux | annadane: okey ah, it was rany who recomended flatpak, I think |
| 19:12.03 | greycat | I've been led to believe that a flatpak is a self-contained thing that brings along its own private copies of all libraries, hugely wasteful of disk space and bandwidth, but the trade-off being you know exactly how it will work. |
| 19:12.25 | Malinux | I think I figured it out. It just took very long time for it to show the applications :) |
| 19:13.17 | Malinux | greycat: yeah, my tought too. Isn't this how they're always done it in windows? |
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| 19:14.23 | greycat | I'm not the best one to ask about that, but I think Windows applications tend to bring along whatever copy of whatever shared lib they feel like, and they drop their own copy of the shared lib into the system directory (WIN32 or whatever it is), ending up in chaos. |
| 19:15.49 | annadane | so because of all the stuff you added you may in future run into upgrade problems, just come back here if that happenes |
| 19:15.50 | annadane | happens |
| 19:16.25 | Malinux | greycat: ok |
| 19:16.35 | Malinux | annadane: I see. |
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| 19:17.27 | rany | Malinux: to install you must specify the repo first |
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| 19:17.36 | rany | so, flatpak install flathub org.nextcloud.Nextcloud |
| 19:17.50 | balsaq | is debian faster and less prone to bugs than ubuntu? |
| 19:17.52 | Malinux | rany: ok and I figured out, tab-complete actually works |
| 19:18.14 | annadane | less prone to bugs almost certainly (if you use stable). faster... maybe, it has less bloat |
| 19:18.39 | balsaq | i wonder which feautres are missing |
| 19:18.44 | Malinux | rany: and I have installed so far, both nextcloud and spotify from flatpak after removing the repo-versions, and they both have the launcher icon. So this is'nt that much of a mess as I first feared. |
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| 19:18.50 | balsaq | like wil it autol load my wirelessd rives |
| 19:18.52 | Malinux | and my english sucks |
| 19:19.07 | annadane | yeah, you might need non-free software. you can check that with a debian live image |
| 19:19.15 | annadane | debian doesn't come with non-free software by default |
| 19:19.22 | annadane | (it can be added however) |
| 19:19.26 | Malinux | I use a live-usb with non-free etc |
| 19:19.36 | balsaq | i did not install anything i just loaded ubuntu and everything works |
| 19:20.00 | Malinux | however, the spotify from flathub displays a black window |
| 19:20.01 | balsaq | it saw my wireless router for me does debian do that |
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| 19:23.45 | rany | balsaq: you can use unofficial images |
| 19:24.52 | balsaq | if i load debian will it see and ask me to connect to my wreless router |
| 19:25.33 | balsaq | that is my fav feature of a linux distro not having to chase down those drivers |
| 19:25.51 | rany | balsaq: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/9.5.0+nonfree/ |
| 19:26.17 | balsaq | installing packages to customize it is ok but that issue of connecting to the internet i dont want to have to go thru |
| 19:26.33 | jhutchins_wk | balsaq: Debian by default doesn't have proprietary drivers and firmware, but they are available, and most things work. The majority of wireless cards do work with the default install, but some require a couple additional steps. |
| 19:26.36 | n4dir | you got no cable? |
| 19:27.05 | balsaq | i dont want to hook it to my hard wire i wnt it to see my wireless during the install |
| 19:27.07 | jhutchins_wk | balsaq: Debian is less about doing all the thinking for you and more about putting you in complete control. |
| 19:27.30 | balsaq | yes i know and i like that except for this one issue |
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| 19:27.47 | rany | balsaq: if use the images from the link above then you should have all the drivers |
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| 19:27.56 | rany | just like ubuntu |
| 19:28.14 | balsaq | ok but not all the other bulk from ubuntu right? |
| 19:28.33 | balsaq | oh wait thats a non free cd |
| 19:28.42 | n4dir | plonk. |
| 19:28.53 | rany | balsaq, it has drivers you might need |
| 19:29.13 | balsaq | i only like free disks |
| 19:29.31 | greycat | Then your wireless will probably never work. |
| 19:29.34 | at0m | balsaq: then buy free hardware |
| 19:29.50 | rany | balsaq, what do you mean by free? |
| 19:29.55 | balsaq | free OS |
| 19:30.04 | at0m | no propriatary binary blobs |
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| 19:30.07 | balsaq | free linux distros |
| 19:30.17 | rany | ubuntu isn't free |
| 19:30.23 | greycat | If you want a 100% Libre machine, you will have to forego certain hardware. |
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| 19:30.39 | at0m | rany: ubuntu isnt hmm as strict as debian |
| 19:30.43 | balsaq | im running ubuntu free so far are they going to try to get money? |
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| 19:30.49 | greycat | Basically, nothing you buy "off the shelf" will qualify. It will have to be custom built with specific hardware choices. |
| 19:30.54 | rany | balsaq: you are thinking money |
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| 19:31.11 | greycat | Libre has nothing to do with money. |
| 19:31.19 | at0m | ^ |
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| 19:31.27 | annadane | !dfsg |
| 19:31.28 | rany | balsaq: https://www.debian.org/intro/free |
| 19:31.28 | dpkg | DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses |
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| 19:31.48 | balsaq | ty rany but grey just said my wireless wont work |
| 19:32.22 | balsaq | i tried getting wireless to work when it didint happen on its own before and it weas a living nightmare |
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| 19:32.33 | rany | balsaq: greycat means non-libre |
| 19:32.41 | rany | and libre software |
| 19:32.45 | greycat | If you want wireless to work during install, you must use the non-free (non-Libre) installer. |
| 19:32.46 | rany | Read the links |
| 19:33.23 | balsaq | is no libre mean non free? |
| 19:33.28 | greycat | (Or have a second medium with the non-free firmware packages on it to supplement the regular installer which doesn't have them.) |
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| 19:45.05 | yakiza | annadane: hey how you doing? |
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| 19:46.19 | yakiza | Guys an silly question i am trying to find out how many cores does a certain gpu has but while i am going through the specs there is no reference in cores is there a diferent name that refers to cores? |
| 19:46.26 | yakiza | https://www.amd.com/en/products/graphics/radeon-rx-560 |
| 19:47.04 | annadane | balsaq, packages in non-free directly violate at one aspect of the DFSG. contrib packages are free, but depend on non-free packages |
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| 19:47.14 | annadane | at least one aspect of* |
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| 19:49.23 | rany | yakiza: gpu cores? |
| 19:49.46 | nyov | perhaps means compute units |
| 19:50.30 | yakiza | i am not sure i guess |
| 19:50.45 | yakiza | rany: i had a read that gpu have cores more cores than cpus but they are slower |
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| 19:51.23 | balsaq | yakiza yes it not cores |
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| 19:51.31 | balsaq | is it nvidia or radeon |
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| 19:51.42 | yakiza | balsaq: then its the units? |
| 19:51.45 | greycat | 15:46 yakiza> https://www.amd.com/en/products/graphics/radeon-rx-560 |
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| 19:52.05 | balsaq | ok i know that card |
| 19:52.13 | balsaq | the main thing is the bits |
| 19:52.53 | yakiza | balsaq: i am doing a cyber security degree and i want to buy a card that can help me in password cracking, i had a read and i need soemthing |
| 19:52.56 | yakiza | with loads of cores |
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| 19:54.31 | yakiza | balsaq: see https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2009/12/16/whats-the-difference-between-a-cpu-and-a-gpu/ cores? |
| 19:54.39 | balsaq | yeah well thats really not a gpu thing man |
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| 19:54.59 | jhutchins_wk | yakiza: It depends on what kind of operation you're performing whether a gpu or a cpu will be more efficient. |
| 19:55.14 | jhutchins_wk | yakiza: There's an Intel chip with 64 cores iirc. |
| 19:55.23 | greycat | I would also advise you that #debian is not the best place to find information about grey- and black-hat activities. |
| 19:55.26 | jhutchins_wk | yakiza: Intel cpu. |
| 19:55.56 | yakiza | greycat: this has nothing to do with gray or black hat activities its related to my degree that is whitehat |
| 19:56.24 | jhutchins_wk | yakiza: #hardware would probably be a better place to ask. |
| 19:56.25 | rany | why does your degree need password cracking? |
| 19:56.31 | yakiza | jhutchins_wk: thank you |
| 19:56.40 | balsaq | 16 Compute Units activated and thus 1024 Shader Processing Units |
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| 19:56.44 | yakiza | rany: cause i am doing computer forensics and cyber security |
| 19:57.03 | yakiza | rany: when i aquire a hardrive from a suspect that has password protected files etc i need to crack them |
| 19:57.12 | balsaq | there is a very specific linux distro for hacking but not this one |
| 19:58.06 | rainfyre | lol |
| 19:58.13 | jelly | balsaq, this one however tries to be Universal |
| 19:58.25 | yakiza | jelly: hahah lmao |
| 19:58.30 | jelly | and does not let people run X and basically everything as root. |
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| 19:58.57 | jelly | if yakiza wants to run gpgpu stuff on Debian, sure why not |
| 19:59.03 | rainfyre | I'd spend more time finding big wordlists, you're only gonna get so far with hashcat, yakiza |
| 19:59.04 | balsaq | for example kali linux |
| 19:59.23 | rainfyre | ^^ yeah you could check in #kali-linux |
| 19:59.49 | yakiza | i want to upgrade my gpu and i am trying to figure out what aspects of it i should check |
| 20:00.22 | balsaq | u dont upgrade it u just get a new one |
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| 20:01.43 | balsaq | you rx isa 128 bit card and suitable for most games at 1080p it is barely a mid range card u dont upgrade it (itself) u remove it and install 256 bit card |
| 20:02.00 | n4dir | jelly: well, it does let you run X as root, if you want to ... |
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| 20:02.29 | greycat | You'd only have to run X as root if you're doing the legacy thing for old chipsets. |
| 20:02.49 | greycat | (Yeah yeah, I know, you actually meant starting an X session as root ... which is of course not a smart thing.) |
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| 20:06.30 | jelly | greycat, everything runs as root in Kali. X, X apps, terminals, tools that need and tools that do not need to run as root. |
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| 20:42.13 | balsaq | this entire chat fro 40 minutes is only ppl coming in and leaving |
| 20:43.04 | mtn | balsaq: that's good. nobody is having any trouble ;) |
| 20:43.26 | jelly | balsaq, you can configure most clients to hide that, something like /IGNORE JOINS PARTS QUITS |
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| 20:55.45 | johnnyfive | Howdy, I created my own repository of just nano, (not the flat file repo, but structured normally), and created a Packages.gz using the dpkg-scanpackages tool. However upon trying `apt update` with my repo installed, apt complains: "E: Unable to parse package file (1)". Is there any way to get more information than that? Enabling all debug options for apt doesn't seem to show anything. |
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| 20:58.54 | magicberry | hello. i am new to linux and trying to upload a file from a computer running on windows to a raspberry pi running on raspbian by using ssh. i got putty on the windows machine and have been trying to upload it by using <scp C:/Users/Guest/Desktop/file.zip pi@raspberrypi:/home/pi/file.zip> but putty can't seem to locate the file on windows. is there a way to better specify the file's name on windows so it can be found? |
| 20:59.15 | greycat | if you're using windows and raspbian, then why are you asking in #debian |
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| 21:00.48 | tarzeau | magicberry: drop file.zip from destination |
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| 21:03.27 | magicberry | thank you |
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| 21:05.12 | magicberry | the program responds to me saying 'ssh: Could not resolve hostname c: Name or service not known' |
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| 21:06.11 | jelly | heh, crazy putty |
| 21:06.41 | Kelsar | magicberry: it interpretes c: as host c with path behind it |
| 21:06.42 | tarzeau | magicberry: try using pscp on windows??? |
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| 21:42.21 | jh001 | hello, weird/annoying kernel logging thing I think - about every 5 min, dmesg has a new "[timestamp] sdd: sdd1" entry. that's all. over and over. /var/log/messages has "[nearby timestamp] shortname vmunix: [timestamp] sdd: sdd1." any ideas how to assuage the kernel and stop this noise? if it helps - sd1 is an unmounted crypto_luks partition. when I mount it, the noise stops. |
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| 21:47.26 | nyov | perhaps some noise from that ugly os-prober thingy? |
| 21:48.08 | jh001 | nyov: interesting maybe - what thingy? |
| 21:48.09 | nyov | actually I have no clue. just a stab in the dark |
| 21:48.15 | jh001 | nyov: ah ok |
| 21:48.37 | nyov | os-prober tries to detect device filesystems, or partitions |
| 21:48.51 | nyov | but I don't think it would run every 5 minutes |
| 21:49.36 | somiaj | os-prober I htink only runs with update-grub, which is only run when new kernels are installed |
| 21:49.42 | somiaj | well that ist he common time it is run |
| 21:49.42 | jh001 | yeah, the every 5 is worrisome. they are between 300 and 311 seconds, and sometimes, back-to-back, same second. |
| 21:49.58 | jh001 | nothing I'm doing in cron or elsewhere |
| 21:50.02 | nyov | jh001: actually that first entry is usually happening when the kernel re-reads disk partition info |
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| 21:50.57 | nyov | ...which you sometimes do for detecting partitions on loop-mounted data. |
| 21:51.09 | jh001 | nyov: there's no harm - just annoying. hate (lots of) log entries that I can't explain |
| 21:51.13 | nyov | maybe there is a cryptsetup-related cronjob running? |
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| 21:51.41 | jh001 | I sense that "vmunix" is at the bottom of this, but precious little on the interwebs about vmunix |
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| 21:52.11 | jh001 | nyov: I've scoured crontabs - 99% sure it ain't that |
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| 21:53.02 | jh001 | and again, mounting the part makes it stop |
| 21:53.19 | somiaj | check your systemd mounts |
| 21:53.37 | somiaj | wonder if systemd has created a mount unit for that partition, and keeps trying to mount it, or something along those lines |
| 21:53.54 | somiaj | also is this partition listed in /etc/fstab |
| 21:53.59 | jh001 | somiaj: ah. so fstab isn't the whole story? |
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| 21:54.11 | jh001 | somiaj: no, not in fstab. how to check systemd mounts? |
| 21:54.37 | somiaj | not quite sure, I still have to look up the details on systemd. |
| 21:54.51 | somiaj | systemctl should list all units, look for .mount units |
| 21:55.27 | nyov | I suppose it could be some system auditing or logging process checking things out. and once it's mounted, no need to check part.tables anymore |
| 21:56.08 | jh001 | nice call on systemd - but no mention of sdd... |
| 21:57.26 | jh001 | nyov: thanks - might be the physical drive itself. can't get others to behave the same (dmesg-wise) |
| 21:57.52 | nyov | do you have other unmounted cryptsetup devices? |
| 21:57.55 | jh001 | appreciate the thinking on it folks, I'll keep digging around. |
| 21:58.01 | somiaj | care to share the mount command you use to actually mount the device? |
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| 21:58.18 | jh001 | sure, lemme |
| 21:58.25 | somiaj | maybe systemd can't determine what the actual partition type is, and becuase of this keeps on checking. Wonder if making an fstab entry for it (and setting it as no automount) would stop this |
| 21:58.49 | somiaj | or creating a systemd mount unit (fstab lines are all turned into mount units) |
| 21:59.25 | jh001 | definately no fstab mention |
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| 21:59.50 | jh001 | /sbin/cryptsetup luksOpen UUID="lots of hex digits" backup02 |
| 21:59.59 | jh001 | mount /dev/mapper/backup02 /sdd |
| 22:00.13 | jh001 | that's the "mount" |
| 22:00.30 | somiaj | my wild guess is due to the crypto on the partition, systemd (again my guess here) isn't able to fully figure out the partition, and decides to keep trying instead of just giving up. Though can't find any details on this. |
| 22:01.05 | nyov | vmunix... which unix are you running? %) |
| 22:01.35 | jh001 | somiaj: right - I suspect systemd has no idea about it |
| 22:02.00 | somiaj | that was my suggesiton, let systemd know about this parittion, and then don't have it auto mount. |
| 22:02.01 | jh001 | nyov: 4.9.0-8-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.110-3+deb9u6 (2018-10-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 22:02.25 | maxrazer | I've noticed I'm having problems with LIBPNG in multiple programs. Two open source programs Clementine and FodQuake. |
| 22:02.36 | jh001 | somiaj: hm. I'll have a look at that, thanks. |
| 22:02.37 | somiaj | jh001: I did find this, https://askubuntu.com/questions/352836/how-can-i-tell-linux-kernel-to-completely-ignore-a-disk-as-if-it-was-not-even-co |
| 22:03.01 | somiaj | jh001: It is a way to just have your system ignore the drive, though might have to then do extra work when you actually want to mount it. |
| 22:03.06 | somiaj | maxrazer: what problems are you seeing? |
| 22:03.27 | nyov | (probably wrong icc profile warnings) |
| 22:03.46 | nyov | jh001, sorry, I was joking. but thanks |
| 22:04.58 | jh001 | somiaj: nice link, thanks. |
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| 22:06.18 | maxrazer | somiaj, In Clementine it says iCCP: known incorrect sRGB profile warning and I have to have the program running twice in order to start. |
| 22:06.35 | maxrazer | somiaj, In FodQuake it says it can't load libpng so taking screenshots will be disabled. |
| 22:07.02 | maxrazer | somiaj, Is it because I have too new of a version of libpng? I'm using the unstable updates. |
| 22:07.37 | somiaj | thouse are kinda unrelated issues, but should both be looked into. First the incorrect sRGB profile is quite common (my logs are filled with that), so I wouldn't look to deeply at that warning. As to why you have to run Clementine twice to work, I'm not sure there. |
| 22:08.22 | somiaj | The Quake one sounds like you don't have a link set up, or quake is looking for the libpng .so in a different place than it is on your system, or even a different version. Where did you get these two programs that are having problems (I don't recongize them as being in the debian repo) |
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| 22:10.30 | maxrazer | somiaj, FodQuake is a binary I downloaded and it is not packaged. |
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| 22:10.39 | maxrazer | somiaj, Clementine is part of Debian repositories. |
| 22:10.45 | nvz | I have a Debian 9.5 stretch install with lxde using pulseaudio and I cant seem to get sound to output to hdmi/displayport can anyone help? http://paste.debian.net/1048566/ |
| 22:11.12 | maxrazer | What is that minimalist video player for linux that can even run youtube videos from a link? |
| 22:11.35 | relaxed | maxrazer: mpv |
| 22:11.39 | somiaj | you have to be careful with downloading binaries, they may not look for the same version of the libaries as you have installed. You can look at FodQuake closer and see exactly what libpng version (or libaray name) it is looking for. YOu may find it is looking for an older (or maybe newer) version of libpng than you are using. |
| 22:12.14 | somiaj | maxrazer: as for Clementine, is this on debian stable? You may want to check the BTS on this taking twice to start issue. I think it is something else (not libpng) causing the problem, and that libpng warning you are seeing isn't the reason it is not starting the first time. |
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| 22:12.35 | somiaj | maxrazer: yea mpv (a good fork of mplayer) is nice, you can also use mplayer |
| 22:12.48 | nvz | maxrazer: i you want mmore of a gui there is smplayer that wraps mplaayer and mpv |
| 22:12.50 | maxrazer | somiaj, Yes, thats it, mpv thank you. |
| 22:12.50 | nyov | nvz: do you have pavucontrol? |
| 22:13.22 | nvz | nyov: yes but its not showing the hdmi even after killing/restarting pulse,says its disconnected |
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| 22:13.52 | maxrazer | somiaj, Perhaps it is not. I haven't checked BTS. I'm using the unstable updates. I believe the PNG part can be fixed by patching the png files themselves. |
| 22:13.56 | nvz | nyov: obviously its not disconnected or I wouldn be seeing the screen right now :P |
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| 22:14.13 | nyov | nvz: looks good from what I can tell. you can't activate it in the pavu config tab? |
| 22:15.01 | nvz | nyov: nope |
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| 22:17.39 | nyov | nvz: well in the log it says "Card #0 |
| 22:17.43 | nyov | Active Profile: off" |
| 22:19.10 | nvz | https://imgur.com/a/Of2ICKj https://imgur.com/a/ADbNI62 https://imgur.com/a/8GSQA1E |
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| 22:19.25 | nyov | somehow your output profiles are not available from what PA says. no clue why, though |
| 22:19.43 | nvz | yeah me either |
| 22:20.00 | nvz | it seems to think its not plugged in |
| 22:20.10 | nyov | might be the cable, or the screen? |
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| 22:20.37 | nvz | I have a VGA and two Display Ports.. I have the tv attached to a display port with a DP->HDMI dongle |
| 22:20.59 | nvz | I can try a different cable.. but the display is working fine |
| 22:21.55 | nyov | maybe the dongle can't handle audio-packets or dp-hdmi conversion? |
| 22:22.09 | nyov | dunno, really |
| 22:22.25 | nvz | Ive used it on this machine before with a different install using mate and a different tv |
| 22:22.35 | nvz | and a different hdmi cable |
| 22:22.45 | nyov | k |
| 22:23.18 | nvz | i had used speakers for months before realizing I could use HDMI |
| 22:23.46 | nvz | but on this current setup its actin strangely.. |
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| 22:27.10 | nyov | could it be something with the video card drivers? |
| 22:27.29 | nvz | ah.. yes.. probably.. heh |
| 22:28.05 | nvz | nyov: now that you mention it I recall this video card works OTB but certain features like dual head require firmware.. thanks |
| 22:28.18 | relaxed | nvz: Look at the output of "mpv --audio-device=help" I play audio on my TV using, mpv --audio-device 'alsa/hdmi:CARD=NVidia,DEV=0' ... |
| 22:28.38 | relaxed | but yours will probably be different |
| 22:30.08 | nvz | lemme try a restart now that I've installed the firmware.. that was probably the issue |
| 22:30.17 | nyov | good luck |
| 22:30.26 | nvz | I forgot this card had firmware |
| 22:31.10 | oo_miguel | I want to visualize some points from a csv file, is there anything beside gnuplot? |
| 22:32.35 | nyov | "visualize"... I like the specifics of that. Try matplotlib? |
| 22:32.38 | oo_miguel | hmm .. on the other hand I am happy with gnuplot, just keep forgetting the syntax, since I do not use it often. Maybe there is some more inutiuive fronentd |
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| 22:33.38 | oo_miguel | nyov: oh never tried this one. it looks very nice , thank you.. will have to remember the syntax as well however ... |
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| 22:35.31 | nvz | yes the firware is the issue. so the ATI Radeon R2E in the AMD G-Series SoC works OTB for display but I now know dual-head AND hdmi audio output require firmware-amd-graphics |
| 22:37.03 | aloo_shu | nvz did that fix it? |
| 22:37.35 | nvz | yes, the firmware made pulseaudio able to detect it as plugged in and use it for audio output |
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| 22:38.31 | aloo_shu | probably alsa is detecting it |
| 22:38.53 | nvz | I would've been bangin my head off this for days if nyov hadn't mentioned the driver thing.. I totally forgot about that.. I dont usually think of firmware for gfx |
| 22:39.40 | aloo_shu | and pulse is not reacting very intelligently if alsa isn't working as expected |
| 22:41.50 | aloo_shu | in any case, if pulse isn't working, checking alsa is a sensible next step |
| 22:41.52 | nvz | well it was playing through the internal speaker on the thin client before |
| 22:42.20 | nvz | do you not understand english or something? :P |
| 22:42.37 | nyov | nvz: nice! \o/ |
| 22:42.49 | nvz | I said the firmware fixed it.. then you asked me if it fixed it and I said it did again |
| 22:43.10 | nvz | and yet you're still goin on as if there is a problem :P |
| 22:43.41 | aloo_shu | I understood. Did you understand that my comment was generic, not specific? |
| 22:44.03 | nvz | no I did not |
| 22:44.16 | aloo_shu | np |
| 22:45.02 | nvz | I dont like this lxde much at all.. but I let my brother try out the DEs in virtualbox and he said this one looked fine.. *shrugs* |
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| 22:50.14 | nyov | yeah, I think the firmware stuff is part of why I'm still stuck with fglrx myself. I wonder how much longer I can keep the xserver upgrade on hold... |
| 22:50.17 | nvz | having issues enabling multiarch: http://paste.debian.net/1048567/ |
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| 22:51.06 | nvz | the ign is cause I ran it twice.. thinkin it mustve been a mistake it gave a 404 |
| 22:51.24 | nyov | see the E: line |
| 22:51.47 | nvz | yeah I saw it.. just doesnt make sense.. thats the official mirror |
| 22:51.57 | nvz | and a round robin at that |
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| 22:53.09 | nyov | I'd check the sources.list file, may be it configured this wrongly |
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| 22:54.04 | nvz | http://paste.debian.net/1048568/ |
| 22:54.23 | nyov | also, temporary CDN errors seem to pop up here and there |
| 22:55.03 | nvz | that was made by the Debian firmware amd64 installer image |
| 22:55.10 | nvz | I never touched it |
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| 22:58.07 | nyov | ah, my bad. I thought the enabled architectures would be changing in there. I don't know where those are stored |
| 22:58.21 | nyov | but I would just try one of the fixed mirrors, for reference |
| 22:58.50 | nyov | as in, ftp.<country-code>.debian.org |
| 22:58.52 | nvz | shrugs.. I'll try kernel.org |
| 23:00.51 | nvz | we've been telling users to switch from those to deb.debian.org yet the damn thing isnt setup properly :P |
| 23:01.15 | nvz | mirrors.kernel.org ftw |
| 23:01.23 | nyov | :) |
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| 23:06.10 | nyov | that means you're the 3rd person in as many days here having a problem rooted in the CDN mirrors |
| 23:07.39 | nyov | maybe dpkg really does need to learn failover? |
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| 23:07.53 | yakiza | annadane: sup man |
| 23:08.01 | yakiza | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.15 | nvz | @.@ |
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| 23:14.30 | aeyxa | debians broken, call an ambalamps |
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| 23:15.48 | aeyxa | https://pastebin.com/raw/ZRjVGFp5 |
| 23:17.58 | nvz | aeyxa: try a different mirror.. |
| 23:20.13 | aeyxa | this is the base debian image, lol |
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| 23:22.51 | aeyxa | http://deb.debian.org/debian |
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| 23:27.47 | nyov | hmm. number 4 in as many days |
| 23:29.00 | _anb | is there an issue for fastly debian mirror? I'm getting error when updating the index: E: The repository 'http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch Release' does no longer have a Release file. |
| 23:29.10 | nyov | aeyxa, _anb: https://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 23:29.23 | nyov | _anb: yes, it appears so |
| 23:30.14 | _anb | Thanks, nyov. My mirror is set to deb.debian.org, so one box is affected, the other one is redirected to aws. |
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| 23:32.15 | wintrmute | is anyone else having issues with apt-get update on stretch? W: The repository 'http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch Release' does not have a Release file. |
| 23:32.35 | nyov | Well. I will continue to use my trusted university's mirror. A single fail in the last decade. And a known-good routing to my server |
| 23:32.55 | nyov | wintrmute: yes |
| 23:33.11 | wintrmute | nyov: ok, thanks for verifying |
| 23:33.35 | nyov | fastly seems to have issues, again |
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| 23:34.19 | nyov | but it's free. so. *shrugs* |
| 23:34.40 | ceptor | Just a quick question: the fastly mirrors seem to have some problems. Is this problem known? |
| 23:34.48 | nyov | ceptor: yes |
| 23:35.02 | ceptor | okay, nevermind then. Is the reason known? |
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| 23:35.05 | paladox | Hi, http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian is showing 404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.200.204 80] |
| 23:35.19 | nyov | ceptor: not that I'm aware of |
| 23:35.35 | nyov | paladox: yes, we know |
| 23:35.40 | annadane | i've seen some discussion in #debian-mirrors on oftc, they're aware |
| 23:35.42 | paladox | ah ok |
| 23:37.12 | nyov | ohmy. i shall /join #allthechans |
| 23:38.08 | balsaq | does gnome have built in screen shot function w/o installing anything extra? |
| 23:38.48 | annadane | depends what you installed, i'm going on the assumption you used tasksel |
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| 23:54.50 | djdduty | Is there a problem with the package repository ATM? |
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| 23:55.13 | djdduty | running `docker run -it --rm debian:stretch-slim apt-get update` from multiple hosts in different areas is giving me failed to fetch errors |
| 23:55.17 | djdduty | And the pages are all 404 |
| 23:55.59 | djdduty | https://gist.github.com/djdduty/f10a7b1306cca811e559c54c0824776a |
| 23:56.17 | _anb | djdduty: yes, fastly mirror has an issue |
| 23:56.28 | _anb | you may change a mirror |
| 23:57.09 | djdduty | ah, thanks. |
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| 23:57.53 | djdduty | I don't really want to change the mirror, it's for a docker image being built by an automated system, so I'll just wait. |
| 23:58.19 | nyov | hm, can't they just change SRV records temporarily on deb.d.o? |
| 23:58.23 | annadane | ah dammit. i was just bit by this too lol. not sure which one to change to |
| 23:58.42 | nyov | https://cdn-aws.deb.debian.org/ ? |
| 23:59.13 | nyov | or use your friendly country mirror, if your machine doesn't travel ;) |
| 23:59.47 | djdduty | I'm sure quay's build servers are all readily fixed in the US... but I may be wrong. |