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| 00:01.24 | jundran | ok, i see what it means |
| 00:01.26 | nyov | cumulative important updates that happened after release are bundled into point releases |
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| 00:01.42 | nyov | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/errata |
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| 00:03.23 | jundran | you think i'm going to break the OS? |
| 00:05.02 | nyov | it'll be bleeding edge at least. |
| 00:05.50 | nyov | but there was (still is?) a whole distribution around only running debian unstable. http://aptosid.com/ |
| 00:06.34 | nyov | looks a bit abandoned. maybe it didn't work out :) |
| 00:07.44 | jundran | I've only known one package released on arch that broke something and that was an update for lvm, but I just downgraded while they patched it |
| 00:08.03 | jundran | did have to chroot into the os to fix it |
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| 00:11.01 | petn-randall | jundran: sid breaks every few weeks. |
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| 02:41.16 | maxrazer | Why would make be telling me it can't find gtk.h when I have a package like gtk developer that has it? |
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| 02:56.41 | RNM | nice name |
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| 03:25.02 | BlueMatt | gah, shouldn't https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=897091 be something higher than "Wishlist"? It looks like testing/buster are completely unable to use unpriviledged lxc containers currently? |
| 03:25.03 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/897091 in lxc (open): «lxc: New upstream version 3.0 LTS available»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2018-04-28; last modified: 2018-10-02. |
| 03:25.09 | BlueMatt | or did I miss the patch getting backported? |
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| 06:43.29 | dadabidet | How can I install the latest version of firefox on debian, instead of ESR? |
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| 06:43.41 | dadabidet | I mean not an ESR version |
| 06:44.00 | dadabidet | should I install iceweasel instead? |
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| 06:56.13 | jelly | dadabidet: there's no debian or debian-adjacent build of Firefox release versions for Debian 9 right now. Get the binary tarball from upstream, unpack it someplace (/opt/firefox, maybe?) and use it |
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| 06:58.03 | jelly | dadabidet: if there's ever a build again, you will probably be able to look up the right repo at http://mozilla.debian.net/ by picking I am running Debian [stable "stretch"] and I want to install [Firefox] version [release] |
| 06:59.25 | dadabidet | debian 9 == jelly? |
| 07:00.01 | dadabidet | sorry I mean debian 9 == stretch? |
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| 07:00.21 | jolt | yes |
| 07:00.50 | jolt | dadabidet: sorry, yes, that is correct, 9 is stretch |
| 07:01.55 | jelly | the "requirement of rust to build them" was solved in stretch recently, 60ESR needed that as well |
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| 07:11.57 | mad_moses | Hi, can I use apache or nginx for my development server or is this a bad idea? |
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| 07:12.53 | mad_moses | sry wrong channel |
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| 07:36.03 | marianna | Hi! |
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| 07:36.29 | marianna | I want to install a program which is not a .deb file |
| 07:36.42 | marianna | where should I put it? |
| 07:37.11 | marianna | opt? usr/local? my home folder? |
| 07:38.16 | jolt | marianna: if it's just for you on a multi-user system, then home is nice. If it's not, then I do /opt normally (less cluttered than /usr/local can be on an old system) |
| 07:38.46 | jolt | marianna: but in reality it doesn't really matter. |
| 07:38.55 | marianna | ok jolt, thanks! |
| 07:39.00 | marianna | it's just for me |
| 07:39.16 | marianna | ok, thanks! :-) |
| 07:39.16 | jolt | marianna: if you do "make install" on something home-compiled, then /usr/local is the default |
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| 07:39.48 | marianna | good to know! |
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| 07:40.13 | jolt | marianna: /opt usually have an application packged in /opt/app, but when you do make install it's spread out under /usr/local/bin /usr/local/lib etc |
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| 07:40.35 | jolt | so there is a difference, but I think it more depends on what you're used to |
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| 07:41.01 | marianna | it has the binaries compiled inside a tar file |
| 07:41.08 | marianna | and everything |
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| 08:04.04 | taylorbyte | is there a way to get to mount luks root and home with a keyfile but also fallback to a password input in debian? |
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| 08:23.00 | pukey420 | US Election Party Mon. 11/6/18 23:59 |
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| 08:25.11 | Haohmaru | who cares! |
| 08:25.21 | BCMM | he's been spamming the same stuff in ##linux |
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| 10:33.49 | azamet | after i save and merge my nvidia settings with my custom xorg file i stuck on boot this is the file after i save nvidia settings: https://pastebin.com/0eGe7uzt and this is my custom xorg file which is not giving problem on boot: https://pastebin.com/Fxfht7K2 |
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| 10:36.07 | azamet | how to fix it |
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| 11:56.08 | gr8 | hi, I have downloaded debian-9.5.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso and would like to boot into a live desktop environment in order to use Gparted |
| 11:56.22 | gr8 | is there some boot flag that I can set to boot into XFCE or sth? |
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| 11:57.45 | petn-randall | gr8: No, that image only has the installer, not a live system on it. |
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| 11:57.56 | petn-randall | !live image |
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| 11:58.04 | petn-randall | pokes dpkg. |
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| 11:58.36 | petn-randall | !live stretch |
| 11:58.36 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system (although the installer is better to use). Live images are available from http://get.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-live-builds/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. See also <live firmware>. From Debian 9 "Stretch", <UEFI> mode is supported by Debian Live images. |
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| 13:11.27 | banisterfiend | hi, what does debian use for managing dns by default? it's not dnsmasq or systemd-resolve right? |
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| 13:12.20 | petn-randall | banisterfiend: What do you mean with "managing dns" exactly? There are many aspects to it. |
| 13:13.01 | banisterfiend | petn-randall well, what controls /etc/resolv.conf i guess. In ubuntu systemd-resolv manages it and tells you not to edit that file, and has its own proxy dns server 127.0.0.53 that it uses |
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| 13:14.28 | petn-randall | banisterfiend: If you use network-manager it will change that file, or ifupdown might, too. In both cases it will just provide info for the applications consuming it how to find the nearest name server. |
| 13:16.16 | banisterfiend | petn-randall so on a standard debian installation, say i want to change my dns servers to google dns, how do i go about that? |
| 13:17.04 | banisterfiend | petn-randall on ubuntu i can use busctl |
| 13:17.35 | petn-randall | banisterfiend: You'd set it in network-manager if you have a mobile machine. Or in /etc/network/interfaces if that machine doesn't move around. |
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| 13:19.39 | petn-randall | banisterfiend: You're of course free to use systemd-resolve or install any other recursive resolve and use that, too. |
| 13:21.01 | banisterfiend | petn-randall thanks, this shit is so confusing |
| 13:21.39 | banisterfiend | petn-randall if i wanted to chagne the dns servers programatically (in a script say), what's the best way to do that on a standard debian system? |
| 13:21.56 | banisterfiend | petn-randall just directly edit /etc/resolv.conf ? |
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| 13:22.02 | banisterfiend | directly modify* |
| 13:22.13 | petn-randall | banisterfiend: You can also do that. It's not that complicated. |
| 13:23.23 | banisterfiend | petn-randall i know that, but the issue is that, i'm doing this programatically from a script, so i need to detct the way dns is being configured. FOr example if systemd-resolve is being used then i do not want to modify /etc/resolv.conf directly and same for dnsmasq etc, but i just need to know in what situations i would use other approaches (like busctl for systemd) and in which situations i can just directly edit /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 13:35.14 | wr | is still wpa_supplicant file used for the wifi? or other? |
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| 13:42.10 | Gasher | hello, I wanted to install debian on my laptop some time ago with the network installer iso, I think it's called something else now |
| 13:42.24 | Gasher | it didn't have drivers for my laptop's wifi and I don't have an ethernet port |
| 13:42.32 | Gasher | how do include the drivers in the installation? |
| 13:42.57 | PaddyF | usb pendrive |
| 13:43.04 | bites | you can use the non-free firmware installer that already includes that. |
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| 13:43.53 | Gasher | PaddyF, I already used it, but I mean where do I put the drivers, how do I get them etc? |
| 13:44.06 | bites | !firmware iso |
| 13:44.07 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>. |
| 13:44.08 | Gasher | bites, where can I find it? also, I'd prefer to use Debian Testing out of the box |
| 13:44.57 | bites | i don't know if there are firmware installers for testing. |
| 13:45.57 | bites | looks like they are. https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/buster_di_alpha3+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 13:46.40 | Gasher | are those installers fine or are they risky? |
| 13:47.17 | bites | they are what the name implies. for testing purposes. |
| 13:47.34 | bites | means they break regularly. |
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| 13:48.34 | Gasher | I just want up to date stuff, not like the "stable" branch, and I'm not a fan of ubuntu |
| 13:49.24 | bites | your options are trying the testing installer or using the stable installer and upgrading after isntallation. |
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| 13:50.39 | Brigo | Gasher, are you aware of backports? |
| 13:50.46 | Brigo | !backports |
| 13:50.46 | Gasher | Brigo, yes |
| 13:50.47 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 13:51.05 | Gasher | anyways, gtg, thanks |
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| 14:19.39 | BCMM | Gasher: the officially recommended way of installing testing is to do a minimal stable install and then upgrade, by the way |
| 14:20.25 | greycat | Unless you're explicitly choosing to test the buster installer. That's different from testing the buster packages. |
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| 14:37.25 | Vall | Debian novice here. Trying to build a package, `debuild -b -uc -us` fails with the following message: |
| 14:37.28 | Vall | dh_clean: Compatibility levels before 5 are no longer supported (level 1 requested) |
| 14:37.43 | Vall | Trouble is, I set debian/compat to 10: |
| 14:37.58 | greycat | sounds like something only saw the first digit |
| 14:38.03 | Vall | echo 10 > debian/compat |
| 14:38.38 | Vall | greycat: thanks, I actually thought of that too, and then tried `echo 5 >debian/compat` |
| 14:38.46 | Vall | But the exactly same message still comes up: |
| 14:38.49 | greycat | The only three */debian/compat files I happen to have lying around in easy reach all have "9" |
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| 14:39.05 | Vall | dh_clean: Compatibility levels before 5 are no longer supported (level 1 requested) |
| 14:39.18 | jelly | Vall: which debhelper version is installed? |
| 14:40.15 | Vall | greycat: same thing happens after `echo 9 >debian/compat` |
| 14:40.29 | Vall | jelly: lemme check |
| 14:40.37 | jelly | /home/jelly/src/sssd-1.16.1/debian/compat:10 found one, source from sid |
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| 14:42.35 | Vall | jelly: debhelper is 11.1.6 |
| 14:42.39 | Vall | humrmrmr |
| 14:42.45 | themill | changing the unpacked version and then trying to build the .dsc? |
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| 14:43.02 | Vall | themill: that could be |
| 14:43.10 | Vall | humrmrmrm |
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| 14:44.07 | Vall | themill: AFAIK I'm not trying to build the DSC |
| 14:44.26 | Vall | I'm already inside the source directory |
| 14:45.16 | Vall | would debuild go "Up" to use ../package.dsc? |
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| 14:46.38 | Vall | (sorry for the ignorant questions -- I'm trying to build my first .deb -- actually rebuild one I got the source from archive.debian.org, but whose binaries are no longer included in Debian) |
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| 14:48.41 | greycat | And the package you're building had a value lower than 5 in debian/compat originally? |
| 14:49.10 | Vall | greycat: it had no debian/compat |
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| 14:50.00 | Vall | The original messsage I got from debuild said "dh_clean: Please specify the compatibility level in debian/compat" |
| 14:50.12 | Vall | scratches his head |
| 14:50.19 | Vall | I must be doing something *really* stupid |
| 14:50.37 | Vall | OK, let me review my steps so far: |
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| 14:51.06 | Vall | 0) This is the package I'm trying to build: http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/j/jpeg2ps/ |
| 14:51.27 | n4dir | two sidenotes: a) won't hurt to say which program you try to build and b) there is the irc channel #packaging on the oftc network (you seem to be in good hands, but in case there wil be no results, you might try there later) |
| 14:51.45 | n4dir | a) is superfluous now :-) |
| 14:51.46 | greycat | I'm not very good hands. themill and jelly might be. |
| 14:52.35 | Vall | (thanks n4dir, will stick with greycat and themill and jelly for now) |
| 14:52.36 | petn-randall | Vall: That package is _antique_. I don't expect it to build on current releases without heavy patching. |
| 14:52.53 | Vall | petn-randall: sure. |
| 14:53.04 | petn-randall | If it were human, it would be old enough to vote in most countries. |
| 14:53.16 | Vall | LOL |
| 14:53.33 | greycat | You say that like it's *old* or something. :-/ |
| 14:53.48 | Vall | LOL |
| 14:54.09 | Vall | petn-randall: please show more respect for our senior packages ;-) |
| 14:54.28 | petn-randall | greycat: one software year is like 7 human years. |
| 14:54.53 | Vall | anyway, would the package being old lead debuild to complain wrongly about the contents of debian/compat? |
| 14:55.29 | Vall | The way I see it, debuild is simply ignoring the contents of debian/compat, but not the fact of whether it exists |
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| 14:56.48 | petn-randall | Vall: debian/rules has this line: "export DH_COMPAT=1" |
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| 14:57.14 | petn-randall | That's your current issue. Though I'm fairly sure it'll break on the next issue now. |
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| 14:58.12 | Vall | petn-randall: thanks! |
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| 14:59.13 | Vall | so having DH_COMPAT=1 in the environment will make debuild (or rather dh_clean) ignore the contents of debian/compat, but not whether it exists? |
| 14:59.26 | Vall | Seems like poor design to me. But then what do I know? :-/ |
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| 15:00.14 | petn-randall | Vall: That might be one reason that package isn't in the repos anymore ... |
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| 15:00.56 | Vall | petn-randall: good point |
| 15:00.57 | greycat | petn-randall: no, he meant that debuild's design is confusing, because it seems to be acknowledging the existence of a file that it never actually *reads* |
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| 15:01.50 | Vall | greycat: that's exactly what I meant. But petn-randall may be refering to the 'internals' of that package being incompatible with newer debuilds |
| 15:01.54 | Vall | right petn-randall ? |
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| 15:02.18 | n4dir | never that much in building, rather not at all, but i sure never could figure out what that file is good for. |
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| 15:03.23 | petn-randall | Vall: I can imagine that it's there for debugging, or how it's internally passed to debhelper. |
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| 15:04.32 | Vall | argh |
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| 15:07.12 | n4dir | "debian/compat specifies the "compatibility level" for the debhelper tool. We don't need to go into what that means, right now. " lovely. That site has links, but a broken one, so not much help: https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging/Intro?action=show&redirect=IntroDebianPackaging |
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| 15:07.36 | n4dir | that how-to is good though, as it is easy to understand and follow. |
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| 15:08.12 | greycat | There's a section in debhelper(7) that goes into some detail about the different levels. |
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| 15:08.58 | greycat | The stretch version goes up to v11, but it calls that "still open for development" and suggests 10 as the correct currently supported level. |
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| 15:11.03 | Vall | OK, after a little `perl -pi.orig-2018102401 -e 's/export DH_COMPAT=1/export DH_COMPAT=5/' debian/rules` debuild is going much farther now before failing |
| 15:11.30 | Vall | I will keep hammering on it and will come back here if I get stuck |
| 15:11.46 | Vall | thanks everyone specially petn-randall, you nailed it ;-) |
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| 15:12.40 | petn-randall | Vall: What are you trying to do with that software, btw? There might be better solutions, especially ones that are still supported in this decade. |
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| 15:17.23 | Vall | petn-randall: I have an old script which calls jpeg2ps (and then ps2pdf) to produce PDF files from a sequence of JPG files |
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| 15:17.59 | jelly | many images to one pdf? |
| 15:18.07 | Vall | and yes, I tried calling imagemagick's `convert` directly (after fiddling with its policy.xml) but it produces badly formatted files |
| 15:18.35 | Vall | jelly: think of a collection of book pages scanned to JPG files, one file per page. |
| 15:18.51 | Vall | my script makes a PDF of these pages to approximate the original book |
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| 15:19.33 | Vall | I really hate it when things stop working for no good reason... :-/ |
| 15:20.12 | greycat | Have you considered generating an HTML file that has the images in it, one after the other, then running that through an HTML to PDF converter? |
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| 15:22.39 | Vall | greycat: that could work. But my thinking is, I had a really good script which has worked perfectly for me for the last 12 years (I have a comment with the date I wrote it at the top) and now it has stopped working because I no longer have jpeg2ps |
| 15:22.54 | greycat | *nod* |
| 15:23.06 | Vall | so my thinking is that the shortest path to a solution is just to make jpeg2ps available again |
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| 15:24.01 | Vall | if I can't do it by producing a new .deb, then I will just 'tar xzf && ./configure && make && make install' it |
| 15:24.04 | bites | can you grab the binary from somewhere and put it next to your script? |
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| 15:24.32 | Vall | bites: binaries need libraries from 15+ years ago ;-/ |
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| 15:24.46 | Vall | (IMHO shared libraries SUCK) |
| 15:25.21 | Vall | brb |
| 15:25.23 | n4dir | yup, probably for that purpose there isn't even "make install" needed. |
| 15:25.58 | n4dir | make runs trough in , like, 5 seconds. |
| 15:26.21 | Vall | back |
| 15:26.39 | Vall | here's the latest error (I think it's *almost* building): |
| 15:26.41 | Vall | make: dh_suidregister: Command not found |
| 15:26.57 | Vall | does anyone know anything about dh_suidregister? |
| 15:27.35 | Vall | OK, found it: https://manpages.debian.org/jessie/debhelper/dh_suidregister.1.en.html |
| 15:27.42 | Vall | (sorry for asking before googling) |
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| 15:31.57 | Vall | yay! |
| 15:32.04 | Vall | it seems to have worked! |
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| 15:33.13 | Vall | At least debuild run to completion (last line of output: "Finished running lintian.") and now I have a ../jpeg2ps_1.8-1_amd64.deb file: |
| 15:33.33 | Vall | -rw-r--r-- 1 Vall Vall 11220 Oct 24 12:31 ../jpeg2ps_1.8-1_amd64.deb |
| 15:33.47 | Vall | looking good! ;-) |
| 15:33.51 | Vall | Will try to install it now |
| 15:33.52 | n4dir | :-) |
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| 15:34.20 | Vall | (best way is to `dpkg -i ../jpeg2ps_1.8-1_amd64.deb` ?) |
| 15:34.46 | Vall | (or is there something like the crappy `yum installlocal` from RH?) |
| 15:35.00 | n4dir | there is also gdebi (or similar), but dpkg -i seems fine. |
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| 15:36.37 | Vall | n4dir: gdebi is GUI, right? I *hate* GUI stuff |
| 15:36.54 | bites | apt install ./something.deb |
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| 15:37.07 | n4dir | Vall: never used it, i think it also can be used from cli. I can't see an advantage here anyway, only mentioned it |
| 15:37.54 | Vall | bites: `apt-get install ./whatever.deb` is best to bring in dependencies etc, right? |
| 15:37.59 | greycat | yes |
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| 15:38.11 | greycat | and yes, the ./ is required to trigger this mode |
| 15:38.16 | Vall | OK |
| 15:38.20 | Vall | doing it right now |
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| 15:42.46 | Vall | It installed! ;-) |
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| 15:44.24 | Vall | LOL |
| 15:44.44 | Vall | $ jpeg2ps |
| 15:44.44 | Vall | jpeg2ps: command not found |
| 15:44.56 | Vall | dpkg -L jpeg2ps |
| 15:44.56 | dpkg | ii jpeg2ps 2.5-2.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 15:45.08 | greycat | did it create an empty package? |
| 15:45.13 | Vall | nope |
| 15:46.05 | Vall | greycat: see here: https://pastebin.com/raw/wQ4zrzxW |
| 15:46.17 | Vall | Seems the package has everything *but* the binary ;-) |
| 15:46.18 | Vall | LOL |
| 15:46.33 | greycat | It installed the man page. |
| 15:46.38 | Vall | yep |
| 15:46.39 | Vall | LOL |
| 15:46.52 | Vall | `man jpeg2ps` works perfectly ;-) |
| 15:47.13 | greycat | Probably need to change something in the debian/rules file, then. |
| 15:47.19 | Vall | OK, back to the drawing board |
| 15:47.23 | Vall | brb |
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| 15:51.05 | jelly | well if it built the binary, you can just put it in /usr/local/bin or wherever and ignore the packaging bits |
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| 15:54.58 | Vall | back |
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| 15:57.15 | Vall | OK, I examined the debian/rules file and it seems debuild (or rather, the dh_* scripts it calls) are picking everything *but* the binary. |
| 15:57.47 | Vall | what should be in debian/rules to make it pick the binary file? |
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| 16:00.07 | Vall | jelly: I'd really like to get this package done. If I just wanted the binary, I could just have compiled it from the .tar.gz and stuck it with the script |
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| 16:00.48 | bites | does the makefile not implement DESTDIR by any chance? https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/html_node/DESTDIR.html |
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| 16:02.21 | Vall | bites: thanks for the tip, checking |
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| 16:04.22 | Vall | bites: does debuild (or some script it calls) set DESTDIR? |
| 16:04.39 | bites | debhelper i think. |
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| 16:05.53 | bites | one of the many dh_* commands. |
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| 16:07.01 | Vall | apparently not (or that specific dh_* command it is not being 'called` in this debian/rules) |
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| 16:07.44 | bites | dh_auto_install specifically. |
| 16:07.58 | Vall | I'm going to try setting it by hand via ```export DESTDIR=`pwd`/debian/tmp``` at the top of the rules files |
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| 16:10.13 | Vall | nope, did not work (built the .deb package without /usr/bin/jpeg2ps just the same) |
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| 16:12.20 | Vall | OK, just commented out all the install-specific crap in debian/rules and replaced it with `dh_auto_install`, rebuilding |
| 16:13.02 | Vall | no go |
| 16:13.12 | Vall | it builds but still no binary inside the .deb file :-( |
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| 16:13.51 | bites | the makefile in the original source has to support destdir. that's what you checked? |
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| 16:15.01 | Vall | bites: the Makefile doesn't even have a "install" target |
| 16:15.09 | Vall | creating one now |
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| 16:19.19 | Vall | YES! |
| 16:19.24 | Vall | it worked! |
| 16:19.26 | Vall | ;-) |
| 16:20.00 | Vall | and the program seems to be working after installed |
| 16:20.05 | Vall | trying my script now |
| 16:20.08 | bites | yay |
| 16:20.21 | Vall | (drums sounding) |
| 16:21.27 | Vall | yay! works PERFECTLY ;-) |
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| 16:21.49 | Vall | mission accomplished! ;-) |
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| 16:22.20 | ctcx | ^ ah, this kind of satisfaction... I'm sick of envy |
| 16:22.31 | Vall | now it only remains to make this easier for the next one who needs jpeg2ps |
| 16:22.49 | Vall | is there a repo or something where I could contribuite this package? |
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| 16:23.06 | Vall | ctcx: LOL |
| 16:23.25 | ctcx | ...... |
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| 16:38.12 | Vall | ctcx: I bet you felt something like that when you successfully built your first Debian package, too ;-) |
| 16:38.20 | Vall | so no need to be envious ;-) |
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| 16:43.16 | ctcx | I have never built a Debian package. |
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| 16:43.43 | n4dir | probably as there hardly ever is a need ... |
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| 16:44.49 | ctcx | Though I have build other programs/apps from source in other distros. |
| 16:44.54 | Vall | ctcx: you should try. It's like trying to fix a complicated, clunky machine by repeteadly banging your head on it until it works |
| 16:45.18 | ctcx | And it's frustrating. My health is at gamble. |
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| 16:45.28 | ctcx | (And I'm not even middle aged) |
| 16:45.34 | Vall | when you suceeed, the relief (at least from being able to stop banging your head on it) is indescribably good ;-) |
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| 16:46.36 | Vall | ctcx: like RPM? |
| 16:47.03 | ctcx | No |
| 16:47.22 | Vall | ctcx: it doesn't come even near (in terms of head-banging relief) when compared to Deb packages ;-) |
| 16:47.53 | Vall | been there, done that ;-) |
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| 16:50.48 | ctcx | I see. |
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| 16:52.20 | Vall | ctcx: LOL ;-) |
| 16:52.35 | n4dir | on a distro without any package-manager i tried to build a vte-terminal, depending on vte->gtkdocize->doctools (something with xml, it seems). Looked at slackbuilds, lfs and arch, still can't make any sense of it. Probably damn easy, but i neither am much in such nor have any clue what doctools might be. To make a long story short: i am a big fan of binary distributions. |
| 16:53.24 | Vall | n4dir: binary distros save a lot of work and head scratching, no doubt |
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| 16:53.50 | n4dir | for the users :-) not for all ... :-) |
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| 16:55.24 | Vall | I see it mostly as a way to save effort... even among people who can wrestle with the package building, it's enough for one person to build the package (and publish it) for everyone else to be able to benefit and save time by using that package, instead of building it again |
| 16:55.34 | Vall | even when it's simple, it saves time |
| 16:56.11 | Vall | for users (ie people who can't build), it's the difference between doing it and not doing it |
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| 16:56.15 | n4dir | Vall: you asked it earlier. I for one don't know about any way to put self-build-debs in a repository (something public). There are the MX community repos, and if you generally are interested in such, you might want to get in contact with them (stevepusser being one of the main guys, to be found at forums.debian.net and at the MX forum too, i guess) |
| 16:56.17 | Vall | so |
| 16:56.47 | n4dir | yup, the time factor is pretty annoying too. |
| 16:56.49 | Vall | n4dir: thanks |
| 16:56.57 | Vall | will do |
| 16:57.12 | n4dir | he also is very helpful, though i hardly run in him anymore |
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| 16:59.29 | SanchoPensa | hey guys! |
| 16:59.29 | SanchoPensa | I need help pairing my laptop with my android phone via bluetooth pls. |
| 16:59.29 | SanchoPensa | Pairing works, I an send files from my laptop to my phone too, but I havent figured out, how to do it the other way around. the menu option browse device is greyed out.. |
| 16:59.52 | SanchoPensa | can youpls help me get my smart phone browsable? |
| 17:00.07 | Vall | now I would just like to regenerate the .dsc and the .diff.gz files I began with (I understand that they, along with the original .tar.gz, are the equivalent of a .src.rpm, right)? |
| 17:00.29 | Vall | regenerate: incorporating my modifications |
| 17:00.32 | Vall | how is that done? |
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| 17:05.10 | petn-randall | SanchoPensa: That's something you'd have to allow on your phone. I'd ask in a Android-specific channel, though. |
| 17:05.53 | SanchoPensa | petn-randall: I have basically turned on eversthing, I could find on my android phone, but all right, will do thanks |
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| 17:10.59 | Vall | OK, found it: https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingTutorial#Building_the_source_package |
| 17:13.00 | petn-randall | SanchoPensa: Good chance it's not supported by Android. They removed browsing via USB a few releases back. I can imagine the same happened to browsing via BT. |
| 17:13.23 | SanchoPensa | :O |
| 17:13.30 | SanchoPensa | srsly?!? |
| 17:13.43 | SanchoPensa | dahell is that good for? |
| 17:14.09 | petn-randall | Rumours are "security". |
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| 17:16.52 | Vall | petn-randall: why do people always say "security" when it's the exact opposite (*in*security)? ;-) |
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| 17:17.02 | jhutchins_wk | SanchoPensa: There may be apps that will work around that. Check your carrier's support page too. |
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| 17:17.28 | petn-randall | shrugs. |
| 17:17.32 | petn-randall | We're getting offtopic here. |
| 17:17.55 | SanchoPensa | jhutchins thanks |
| 17:18.09 | SanchoPensa | petn-randall: yeah, not like we are disturbin the masses right now, rightà |
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| 17:37.36 | at0m | usbmoutr (fdroid) does offer the android devices as mass storage to the host. can even load an iso for boot disk, in case of emergency :> |
| 17:38.45 | jelly | SanchoPensa: kdeconnect works for sharing files, clipboard or notifications, might want to try that |
| 17:39.11 | format_c | ttfq9W |
| 17:41.15 | greycat | password changin' time? |
| 17:41.40 | jelly | does that do anything reasonable in vim |
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| 17:56.56 | EdePopede | kids as an entropy pool, hmm... |
| 17:57.36 | Robby | heh |
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| 18:04.50 | EdePopede | has it ever been tested? get a bunch of toddlers, give them some toys for hammering and such... |
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| 18:37.06 | jken | Hello, I am having an issue with HDMI audio on an Intel compute stick (STK1A32SC) running Debian with a backported kernel (4.18.0). In order to get any audio over HDMI I had to apply this fix: http://linuxiumcomau.blogspot.com/2018/03/fixing-broken-hdmi-audio-again.html?m=1 Essentually in pulse, unload module-alsa-card, and load module-alsa-sink instead. That works great on a TV, but when I plug my device into a monitor that does not have audio, videos |
| 18:37.06 | jken | freeze when I attempt to play them. Would anyone be able to help me debug this? |
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| 19:17.30 | n4dir | anyone remembers the factoid about installing runit? |
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| 19:18.02 | greycat | !stretch sysvinit |
| 19:18.02 | dpkg | To replace systemd with sysvinit in stretch, simply "apt-get install sysvinit-core" and reboot. To switch from systemd to runit, "apt-get install runit-systemd", reboot, "apt-get install runit-init", and reboot again. |
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| 19:18.22 | n4dir | thank you. |
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| 19:21.23 | n4dir | the regarding wiki page doesn't reflect that (and doesn't work at all) |
| 19:21.42 | greycat | what is a "regarding wiki page"? |
| 19:21.51 | n4dir | wiki.debian.org -> runit. |
| 19:21.56 | greycat | Then fix it. |
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| 19:22.16 | greycat | I'm guessing you mean https://wiki.debian.org/runit |
| 19:22.16 | n4dir | might be an idea, if i will remember my password. |
| 19:22.22 | n4dir | yup, that one. |
| 19:22.27 | dotmavriq | greycat: ditto, what is a regarding wiki page |
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| 19:23.06 | n4dir | the wiki page regarding the subject of using runit on debian. Any better? |
| 19:23.24 | greycat | That page does seem rather ... poor. But I've never even installed runit on a "normal" unix let alone as PID 1 on Debian. |
| 19:23.30 | dotmavriq | hahaha, yes. I'll cut you some slack :3 |
| 19:23.50 | greycat | n4dir: that's too ambiguous, which is why we need the exact URL to the exact page |
| 19:24.08 | greycat | there's runit stuff on https://wiki.debian.org/Init as well |
| 19:24.27 | dotmavriq | n4dir: post it and we'll have a look! |
| 19:24.27 | n4dir | greycat: well, i didn't really plan to. Did an installation to look at the installer, now just doing to try if it works, for fun. |
| 19:24.41 | dotmavriq | sounds fun |
| 19:24.47 | n4dir | greycat: thanks, will look there too. |
| 19:24.52 | dotmavriq | any luck? |
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| 19:25.09 | n4dir | slow with old horses. give me five minutes. |
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| 19:25.53 | n4dir | greycat: the page says to copy from /usr/share/doc/runit/debian -> that folder doesn't exist. |
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| 19:26.30 | greycat | ... again. WHICH page |
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| 19:26.43 | greycat | reopens the two tabs that he previously closed |
| 19:27.09 | n4dir | runit-init as told by the factoid has "no installation candidate". |
| 19:27.13 | greycat | there's no "usr" on mine, so you must be referring to https://wiki.debian.org/runit which, again, I have already stated looks poor. |
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| 19:28.47 | greycat | And now you've switched to the other one. OK, looks like those instructions don't work either. Damn. Well, I don't know how to do it either. |
| 19:28.57 | greycat | If you figure it out, let us know. |
| 19:29.28 | n4dir | yup. Though searching the web doesn't offer anything. thanks for the info and help. |
| 19:29.50 | annadane | https://xkcd.com/979/ |
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| 19:30.19 | tmg1|wicksell | judd: sure sounds like that issue is actually 2 issues. maybe it should be split apart into the 'doesn't work' and 'upgrade' issues(one of which would be wishlist, one would not?). just a thought. |
| 19:31.12 | annadane | judd is a bit, who are you actually trying to highlight |
| 19:31.14 | annadane | bot* |
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| 19:32.21 | greycat | It appears stretch has a package named "runit" that has "Breaks: runit-init". So maybe runit-init is from an older release...? |
| 19:32.43 | annadane | judd says buster, sid only |
| 19:34.23 | greycat | So maybe the bot's instructions only worked while stretch was testing, and the package was removed before stretch's release. Or something. |
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| 19:35.33 | greycat | oh, and there's a bug mentioned in the stretch description of runit, whereas the buster description of runit says to use runit-init |
| 19:35.47 | greycat | bug #861536 |
| 19:35.48 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/861536 in runit-init (closed): «runit-init: Cannot reboot or shutdown after installing (or removing) the package.»; severity: serious; opened: 2017-04-30; last modified: 2017-07-05. |
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| 19:44.13 | greycat | "by just dropping the runit-init package, we've left debian users who want runit as pid 1 with no options other than to rebuild the package" |
| 19:44.28 | greycat | So yeah, this was a last-minute decision during stretch's freeze. |
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| 19:45.14 | n4dir | i see. |
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| 20:11.06 | *** topic/#debian is Debian Stretch: /msg dpkg stretch ; /msg dpkg 9.5 ; /msg dpkg jessie->stretch ; /msg dpkg install stretch | Oldstable: Debian Jessie /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg 8.11 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing, unstable: #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog |
| 20:11.16 | greycat | Excellent. |
| 20:11.54 | n4dir | yup, thanks to all. |
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| 20:16.08 | greycat | Also wiped https://wiki.debian.org/runit and made it a redirect to Init. |
| 20:16.47 | PaddyF | greycat: did some of your fans build a temple or where do they go to worship you? |
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| 20:21.28 | _0xbadc0de__ | hello |
| 20:21.46 | _0xbadc0de__ | how can I get the source code that compiled my libc binary? |
| 20:21.51 | PaddyF | haha |
| 20:22.22 | PaddyF | _0xbadc0de__: most likely via packages.debian.org if you use debian |
| 20:22.35 | greycat | !source |
| 20:22.35 | dpkg | As an overview: to work with Debian source packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a location with free space; download the source package with <apt-get source>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use <dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details, also ask me about <package recompile> <backport> <nmg> <policy> <source package> |
| 20:23.14 | greycat | With the deb-src lines in place, you should be able to run "apt-get source libc6" to get the source. |
| 20:23.23 | _0xbadc0de__ | <3 |
| 20:23.39 | PaddyF | :D |
| 20:23.40 | greycat | package.debian.org would also work |
| 20:23.45 | greycat | err, I mean, packages.debian.org would also work |
| 20:24.28 | PaddyF | maybe fetch the dependencies of the build-essential package |
| 20:24.39 | _0xbadc0de__ | I think its downloading |
| 20:24.41 | _0xbadc0de__ | lovely! |
| 20:25.44 | greycat | If you actually want to *compile* the source instead of just looking at it, see the other factoids the bot mentioned above. |
| 20:26.05 | _0xbadc0de__ | nope, I am good with just lookin |
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| 20:27.34 | _0xbadc0de__ | 7f46397ed000-7f4639982000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 55838327 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc-2.24.so |
| 20:27.42 | _0xbadc0de__ | libc version checks out |
| 20:27.56 | greycat | ,v libc6 |
| 20:27.57 | judd | Package: libc6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u12; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u3; buster: 2.27-6; sid: 2.27-6 |
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| 20:51.49 | PaddyF | no priority, just wondering if somebody knows why the "deb8u3" stuff was introduced to version strings |
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| 20:52.22 | greycat | It's what the security team uses for their updates to a stable release. |
| 20:53.08 | _0xbadc0de__ | security team? |
| 20:53.52 | PaddyF | _0xbadc0de__: on unitopia.de you need to type: wer security team |
| 20:54.24 | PaddyF | or whois? i forgot |
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| 20:54.52 | greycat | !security faq |
| 20:54.52 | dpkg | "The most important guideline when making a new package that fixes a security problem is to make as few changes as possible. ... moving to a new upstream version is not a good solution, instead the relevant changes should be backported." https://www.debian.org/security/faq |
| 20:55.51 | _0xbadc0de__ | 101% secure |
| 20:55.55 | _0xbadc0de__ | totally bro |
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| 21:58.57 | outoftime | I'm using https://www.reaper.fm/download.php#linux_download , according to https://wiki.debian.org/PulseAudio REAPER have to work, but I have message that is can not connect to server's socket. https://paste.debian.net/1048886/ |
| 21:59.24 | Timvde | Hi. I was trying to get the `mail` command to work yesterday with my local postfix, and while playing installed sendmail and mailutils. I had to quit, but when I came back, I noticed that my postfix service was somehow masked. I then removed sendmail and mailutils (and stopped the still running sendmail service), but that didn't make a difference. I tried unmasking and restarting postfix, but it's still not |
| 21:59.27 | Timvde | working (both receiving and sending mail doesn't seem to work). I'm out of ideas, anyone else have a clue? |
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| 22:11.27 | Timvde | To be sure, also purged anything sendmail-* and did apt install --reinstall postfix, followed by a restart of the postfix service. Nothing changed :( |
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| 22:15.07 | Timvde | Aha, looks like postfix is correctly running now, but I messed up something else in the process. I see messages in mail.log now. I should be able to handle it for now. Thanks for rubber ducking! |
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| 22:17.17 | Timvde | Status update: fixed :) |
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| 22:42.56 | agio | hi does anyone know why my network manager would throw a "Read Only filesystem error " when trying to edit a connection? |
| 22:43.17 | agio | specifically the nmtui? |
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| 22:50.54 | petn-randall | agio: Well, is your filesystem read-only? |
| 22:51.26 | agio | no |
| 22:51.38 | agio | rw - normal file system |
| 22:51.49 | agio | ext4 |
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| 22:52.37 | agio | im guessing its some kind of debian or systemd security mechanism? |
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| 22:55.36 | awal1 | pts should show pkgs available in old/ololdstable |
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| 22:55.42 | awal1 | "should" |
| 22:56.51 | aloo_shu | could always use lsof | grep <process name> to find out what exactly nm is trying to access, and where, agio |
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| 23:00.20 | agio | aloo_shu: good idea :) so would I use `lsof | grep "NetworkManager"' for the process im trying to inspect? |
| 23:00.48 | agio | also, I think the process is really short lived |
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| 23:03.47 | aloo_shu | agio probably, I don't know if the edit connection dialog has a separate command, that you could doublecheck with top in forest view mode, but while the failing write may be short, the offending file is probably open for read as long as the edit window is |
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| 23:04.21 | agio | aloo_shu: ah gotcha :) |
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| 23:05.01 | agio | so I think the command should be then:? |
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| 23:06.27 | agio | lsof /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/MyAP ? |
| 23:06.45 | aloo_shu | sometimes, agio, you can also get read only filesystem symptoms if the mountpoint is ro for that user |
| 23:07.05 | buu | So, I have one of those toys that shows me the load average every 3seconds or whatever, and it's nice, but every once in a while I look at it and it's at say, 1.6 on a box doing nothing but like irc |
| 23:07.16 | buu | When I load htop nothing is using cpu beyond like, 2% |
| 23:07.33 | buu | Does this actually matter? No. Is it driving me nuts? Yes. |
| 23:07.38 | aloo_shu | agio: oh, do you already *know* where the file is? |
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| 23:07.45 | petn-randall | lsof will only show the snapshot of what files are opened at that point in time, it's not good to check for access errors. |
| 23:07.45 | buu | I need ideas on how to track this down |
| 23:07.54 | petn-randall | I'd use strace for that, instead. |
| 23:08.17 | aloo_shu | I hand you over :) |
| 23:08.17 | agio | aloo_shu: oh, would the "mount" command -run as my regular user - reveal if it was read-only to me? |
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| 23:09.29 | petn-randall | agio: yes |
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| 23:09.52 | petn-randall | agio: Well, if the filesystem is mounted r/o, that is. Other premission errors it won't show. |
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| 23:10.47 | agio | but we are talking about the / filesystem here - I must have rw - agaisnt the entire FS, right? |
| 23:11.25 | agio | its just the /etc/network-manager/system-connections/* - where I have no access |
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| 23:32.44 | petn-randall | agio: That's expected. What release is this? |
| 23:34.01 | agio | which debian you mean? stretch (9.5) |
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| 23:34.33 | petn-randall | I see. Unfortunately I have to go to sleep, but maybe someone else here can continue helping. |
| 23:34.53 | petn-randall | If not; ask again tomorrow during office hours in EU/US, that's when this channel is the busiest. |
| 23:35.04 | petn-randall | waves. |
| 23:35.14 | annadane | or debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 23:35.32 | agio | petn-randall: thanks o/ |
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| 23:37.08 | annadane | (i didn't see the question. but if randall doesn't know i probably don't either) |
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| 23:39.04 | agio | annadane: question was: why network manager (nmtui specifically) would throw a "Read Only filesystem error " when trying to edit a connection? |
| 23:39.23 | annadane | yeah, no clue |
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| 23:41.05 | zuwuko2 | I deleted contents of /usr/src |
| 23:41.21 | zuwuko2 | and now I get: You do not appear to have the sources for the 4.9.0-8-amd64 kernel installed. |
| 23:41.35 | zuwuko2 | when trying to "make" to compile asterisk |
| 23:41.52 | zuwuko2 | what must I do to resolve this? |
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| 23:53.45 | annadane | er... apt-get source linux-image-amd64 maybe? |
| 23:55.23 | awal1 | why not able to disable access control via urxvt? |
| 23:55.37 | awal1 | (xhost + / -) |
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| 23:58.48 | zuwuko2 | I tried that. didnt work, I just reinstalled.. |