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| 00:53.02 | dos000 | ok .. i did reboot and now both vnc is on :2 and the normal xsession is on :1 .. but still doing gnome-terminal --display=:2 inside the vnc sessions opens it in :1 |
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| 01:00.35 | Resilience | can I talk? |
| 01:00.37 | Resilience | ah yes |
| 01:00.46 | Resilience | etherape is not longer working (no gsudo version) what can I do? |
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| 01:18.58 | aindilis | hi |
| 01:20.01 | aindilis | I was wondering if any people on this channel were interested in both Debian and Artificial Intelligence? |
| 01:22.21 | ryouma | asking a specific q might get a bunch of answers |
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| 01:31.46 | aindilis | what does 1 + 1 equal? |
| 01:33.03 | aindilis | 2 |
| 01:33.26 | aindilis | boy, that was cool, I eventually figured it out |
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| 03:16.00 | KNERD | I got a problm with openvpn service on 8.x . It is not starting on boot. I have tried systemctl enable openvpn, systemctl enable openvpn@server, and chkconfig openvpn on, but it still fails to start on boot. Anything else to try? |
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| 03:37.32 | buu | What is its status when you boot? |
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| 03:52.21 | SzbcE8qNfG | yo |
| 03:52.48 | SzbcE8qNfG | how do i rm / -f |
| 03:55.35 | `whoami` | why would you do that ? |
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| 04:01.39 | KNERD | buu: it's not running |
| 04:01.54 | KNERD | i have to manually start it |
| 04:03.06 | buu | KNERD: what is the Loaded: line? |
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| 04:05.35 | KNERD | buu: i would need to rebbot it. give me a few |
| 04:06.13 | buu | I mean right now |
| 04:06.54 | KNERD | i already rebooted |
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| 04:09.41 | KNERD | buu: Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/openvpn.service; enabled) |
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| 04:12.47 | KNERD | Even shows: Active: active (exited) since Thu 2018-10-25 21:07:35 PDT; 1min 27s ago |
| 04:14.52 | buu | KNERD: that's after a reboot? |
| 04:14.58 | KNERD | yes |
| 04:15.02 | buu | KNERD: what does the journal say about it? |
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| 04:18.08 | KNERD | Oct 25 21:07:33 debian systemd[1]: Starting OpenVPN service... |
| 04:18.10 | KNERD | Oct 25 21:07:35 debian systemd[1]: Started OpenVPN service. |
| 04:18.30 | KNERD | then a few minutes later shows it is again when I started it |
| 04:19.02 | orblivion | i've been very happy with ocserv vpn. |
| 04:19.46 | orblivion | only because it works with Cisco AnyConnect client. |
| 04:20.26 | KNERD | In this case I don't think it is openvpn giving me the problem. It is working just fine, just the tun connection is not starting for some reason |
| 04:21.09 | buu | KNERD: Um. My only guess is that it depends on something that it doesn't list, like networking |
| 04:21.16 | buu | and that thing isn't up when it tries to enable openvpn |
| 04:21.50 | KNERD | yeah, that would be odd. That would be the first time in my 50 set ups of openvpn |
| 04:22.13 | KNERD | thanks. I will check into that and look att he journal to see when the network was started |
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| 04:24.03 | buu | Yeah I mean, it sounds weird |
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| 04:35.48 | aloo_shu | dos000: does gnome-terminal know the --display parameter? the one I'm sure does is xterm |
| 04:37.15 | hakash | Does anyone know what preseed option for the debian 9.5 netinst iso allows me to skip the next CD prompt? I've tried variations on d-i apt-setup/cdrom/set-first|set-next|set-failed|set-double with either the prompt being displayed or an error. |
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| 04:42.13 | halt | Morning All, after messing with the apt sources, adding and removing, etc I ended up with a bunch of package which has only "100 /var/lib/dpkg/status" on the "apt-cache policy" output, I'm using an ugly way to try to find this packages but I wondered if there is any easier way ? |
| 04:42.58 | halt | This is what I hacked together |
| 04:42.58 | halt | ``` |
| 04:42.58 | halt | dpkg -l | grep ^i | fawk 2 | xargs apt-cache policy | grep -A1 -B10 "\*\*\*" | grep -C5 " 100$ |
| 04:42.58 | halt | ``` |
| 04:42.58 | dpkg | ii | grep ^i | fawk 2 | xargs apt-cache policy | grep -A1 -B10 "\*\*\*" | grep -C5 " 100$ 2.1-15.1 halt's private porn collection |
| 04:43.35 | `whoami` | :) |
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| 04:44.17 | halt | That is interesting bot response |
| 04:44.47 | Devastator | AI will dominate the world sooner than I expected.. |
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| 04:45.08 | `whoami` | dpkg -l | grep foo |
| 04:45.08 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep foo |
| 04:46.46 | halt | So I wonder, is there any less hacky way to find all packages which are not from an apt repo source. things which are installed directly from the .deb file or from a repo which is not any more on the source.d repo list |
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| 04:48.39 | halt | oh yeah fawk is my bash function for "fast awk" it's just short for awk -F '"' '{print $2}' |
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| 05:31.43 | Li | how to make debian stop asking to insert dvd when I'm installing a new application? |
| 05:31.52 | Li | Media change: please insert the disc labeled ******* |
| 05:32.27 | nkuttler | Li: see man 5 sources.list, remove the corresponding entry |
| 05:33.05 | halt | it's in /etc/apt/source.list or some file under /etc/apt/source.list.d |
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| 05:38.09 | Li | that was easy :) .. thanks |
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| 07:19.58 | jelly-home | Rembo: that's a good question for either #ubuntu-server or #ubuntu channel depending on installation use |
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| 07:59.41 | rocketmagnet | hi everyone |
| 08:00.11 | papemco | hi |
| 08:00.18 | rocketmagnet | i've tried apt-get dist-update and since then my linux wont start (4.0.9), does someone know how i can solve this issue ? |
| 08:00.30 | rocketmagnet | did i miss a step |
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| 08:03.38 | radkos | hello does anyone know how to define new facilities in rsyslog |
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| 08:04.41 | radkos | because i'm making centralized log server and want ot have custom log locations per program, or if there is a way to fetch everything in /var/log/ on the client machine and send it to the central server would work as well |
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| 08:09.37 | agio | I think you can configure wher rsyslog sends to in /etc/rsyslog.conf or /etc/rsyslog.d/* |
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| 08:19.59 | radkos | yes i configured it to send to my server |
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| 08:20.14 | radkos | but on this server i want all files to be in correspoding locations |
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| 08:21.11 | radkos | lets say i have fail2ban and want fail2ban logs to be fetched and located at /var/log/ServersLogs/Fail2BanServer/fail2ban.log |
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| 08:22.01 | radkos | what i tried to use is $template fail2ban,"/var/log/ServersLogs/%HOSTNAME%/%facilityname-text%.log" |
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| 08:22.41 | radkos | but the rsyslog doesn't allow to have more facilities then defined can i define them or i have to use programname propery check |
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| 08:24.51 | Fox | you'll have to use programname |
| 08:24.56 | Fox | you can't create facilities |
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| 08:40.42 | radkos | in this case from client side *.* :omerlp:central.server:2514 will not send any thing? |
| 08:41.33 | radkos | how can i transfer other program's log that does not have facility |
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| 08:44.13 | Fox | you could work with "$msg contains" to identify your logs |
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| 08:51.04 | jelly | radkos: syslog facilities and levels and their names are fixed, hardcoded and part of c headers for apps that use syslog. You have to tell the app or log forwarder to put the logs into one of the existing facilities. there are local0 - local7 facilities to use as you want, those may be helpful to sort different usage. |
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| 09:24.03 | icewewe | I'm trying to install Debian on a server with serial redirection through IPMI. The serial console works until the installer starts (I can see output from the kernel) and then switches to VGA and I lose serial console until the installation completes and the server reboots. |
| 09:25.06 | icewewe | I /think/ my kernel command line is correct, it works fine on other servers that have their BMC GPU disabled |
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| 09:25.43 | icewewe | linux /boot/install-18.04//linux TERM=vt102 debian-installer/framebuffer=false console=ttyS1,115200n8 console=tty0 console=tty1 |
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| 09:26.18 | jelly | honestly that 18.04 does not sound very debiany |
| 09:26.24 | icewewe | is this a known bug in the Debian installer? unfortunately I'm not that familiar with the installer environment, so even though I have SSH during the installation, I can't find *anything* in the ramdisk initializing the serial console |
| 09:26.43 | icewewe | @jelly: you caught me, it's Ubuntu, but I figure since this is a Debian installer related question, I'd try here before getting kicked to #ubuntu-users |
| 09:27.03 | jelly | if you can reproduce the issue with d-i from debian 9, you may ask here |
| 09:27.13 | icewewe | cool, I'll do that and come back :) |
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| 09:27.18 | jelly | icewewe: otherwise, I think #ubuntu-server is your best bet |
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| 09:43.49 | Antoine| | Hello, I have a home server (192.168.1.4) that is configured to route all its traffic through a (paid) VPN. I also have an OpenVPN server that assigns IP in the rage 192.168.2.0/24. When I am connected to my VPN, I can't access my home server. I believe it is because of the home server routing its traffic through its (paid) VPN. |
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| 09:44.32 | Antoine| | How can I access my home server through my VPN? Would I need to configure something like: default route is through the VPN except for when it comes from 192.168.2.0/24? |
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| 09:57.08 | jelly | Antoine|: connect your home server to the same openvpn instance, and then access its 192.168.2.x/24 address as if it was a local network segment |
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| 09:57.41 | jelly | no need to mess with default route when you have a network-specific route |
| 09:59.11 | Antoine| | jelly: My home server and the openvpn instance that I'm running are on the same LAN |
| 09:59.29 | nehemiah | Does anybody have a idea why my DE (Cinnamon) shows the time two hours earlier than the actual system time which is updates with ntp? |
| 09:59.51 | Antoine| | jelly: I needed to connect my home esrver to a VPN to bypass some port restriction from my ISP and to get a static ip |
| 10:00.26 | Antoine| | I created that openvpn instance to be able to use some service on my home server when I'm not home. |
| 10:00.35 | Antoine| | Does it make sense to do so? :) |
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| 10:06.49 | jelly | Antoine|: the simplest thing todo is connect the home server to that openvpn; another thing you cound do is configure the server with openvpn to allow, NAT and route your traffic coming from openvpn client and going out towards the home server IP. |
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| 10:42.46 | radkos | jelly, will this line " *.* :omerlp:central.server:2514 " on client side (which sends the log contents) work if i want to send messages from other programs |
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| 10:43.56 | radkos | which doesn't have any facilities. Should i use :msg contans property or :programname isequal |
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| 10:44.45 | radkos | the thing is i may have many more programs to collect messages from than the available facilities 0-7 are low |
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| 11:12.59 | guest-12345678 | any1 using dwm? i have patched the dwm swollow patch but its not working (buster) |
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| 11:44.15 | Fox | !debian-next |
| 11:44.15 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 11:44.22 | Fox | guest-12345678: ^ |
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| 12:03.44 | kts | Do lightdm and i3 work together in Debian Stretch? |
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| 12:05.08 | bites | kts: sure |
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| 12:13.09 | jasperarcola | Hi, We get lots of emails from unattended-upgrades & needrestart, does anyone know if there is anything to aggregate identical, repeated email? |
| 12:13.27 | jasperarcola | I've found cronic which is nice, but not quite what I need |
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| 12:13.37 | jasperarcola | (https://habilis.net/cronic/) |
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| 12:16.10 | jelly | jasperarcola: if it has same Message-ID you can postprocess a mailbox with formail, probably |
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| 12:17.02 | jelly | (but formail is part of and comes with procmail package, and that code is rather unmaintained) |
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| 12:18.00 | Zathras | Hi. I have 2 Debian Stretch PCs. One fresh installed. The other migrated from older Debians. The new PC does not recognize USBsticks most of the time and if it recognizes them I cannot mount them |
| 12:18.35 | Zathras | I do not think it is a hw problem as it used to be no issue and I can connect a smartphone for instance |
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| 12:18.55 | Zathras | any suggestions how to tackle this? |
| 12:20.57 | Zathras | the old one is running gnome, the new one lxde, but the problem also shows when simply listing devices at the terminal using lsusb |
| 12:21.13 | jasperarcola | jelly: message-id's are unique. I could make the inbox available over imap and write a scrip-t to suppress duplicates, was just wondering it this was a solved problem already |
| 12:21.44 | jelly | then they're not duplicates, they're just messages with identical bodies |
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| 12:23.16 | Kemopan | Hello! Anybody knows if its critical for system to have different bridge-id? I'm bridgin vxlan interfaces to vlan sub-interfaces who have same MAC and system takes mac of physical interface as bridge-id |
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| 12:24.10 | rk4 | Zathras: i presume you've kept an eye for anything bad sounding in dmesg? does the device pop up in lsblk? |
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| 12:27.11 | Zathras | rk4, no it does not, no does it in dmesg |
| 12:27.18 | Zathras | tried various usbports |
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| 12:28.08 | Zathras | laptop has 3 usb ports |
| 12:28.49 | Zathras | Kingston Technology DataTraveler G4 |
| 12:29.14 | Zathras | I have 3 of those: all have the issue |
| 12:29.39 | rabbitear_sdf | nobody knows what recognize means |
| 12:29.47 | Zathras | ans used to work fine. I installed Debian from one of them on the actual machine... |
| 12:29.47 | rabbitear_sdf | Zathras: what does it mean to you? |
| 12:30.34 | Zathras | rabbitear_sdf, does not get listed in lsusb etc |
| 12:30.46 | Zathras | as if the usbport was unused |
| 12:30.55 | rabbitear_sdf | Zathras: and you know your logs? |
| 12:30.59 | Zathras | or empty or... |
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| 12:31.13 | rabbitear_sdf | Zathras: do you look at logs? |
| 12:31.17 | Zathras | sometimes I notice an entry in dmesg |
| 12:31.45 | rabbitear_sdf | Zathras: and? |
| 12:32.54 | rabbitear_sdf | Zathras: you have the ablity to blame, you probably got enough money go get a new one too. |
| 12:33.06 | rabbitear_sdf | Zathras: good luck |
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| 12:33.22 | Zathras | and currently nothing. Nothing in logs, nothing in lssb, lsblk |
| 12:33.37 | rabbitear_sdf | Zathras: its your fault |
| 12:34.12 | rabbitear_sdf | Zathras: hopefully it wasn't too much on it huh |
| 12:34.16 | Zathras | thank you. very helpful. If you read what I wrote you would notice I used various drives |
| 12:34.21 | rabbitear_sdf | Zathras: no |
| 12:34.32 | rabbitear_sdf | Zathras: get nice, troll\ |
| 12:35.01 | Zathras | rabbitear_sdf, check the mirror |
| 12:35.35 | rk4 | Zathras: what of livecd[or usb!] with a different kernel, or even OS, same result? |
| 12:35.44 | rabbitear_sdf | Zathras: why do you talk like you don't know what is happening? |
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| 12:37.12 | AlexPortable | What is the best way to figure out why a server sends spam? What logfiles can i look into |
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| 12:37.53 | Zathras | AlexPortable, the logfiles of your smtp server (exim?) |
| 12:38.13 | AlexPortable | postfix i think? |
| 12:38.23 | jelly | rabbitear_sdf: do try to be polite when providing support, please |
| 12:38.47 | jelly | and constructive more than polite |
| 12:38.48 | rabbitear_sdf | jelly: thanks for pointing that out. |
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| 12:38.58 | rabbitear_sdf | jelly: I got it |
| 12:39.16 | AlexPortable | Zathras: mail.log or mail.info ? |
| 12:39.23 | jelly | AlexPortable: first identify which processes send spam |
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| 12:40.17 | jelly | AlexPortable: use netstat or ss to see which processes have outgoing connections to mail-relevant ports (might be 25/tcp, might be 587/tcp or 465/tcp) |
| 12:40.31 | Zathras | 4.9.0-8 has the issues. 4.9.0-4 did not notice the stick at boot, but listed it after unplugging and replugging it |
| 12:40.42 | AlexPortable | postfix/smtpd[17540]: disconnect from unknown[ip] |
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| 12:40.51 | Zathras | all stock kernels |
| 12:40.55 | AlexPortable | connect from unknown[another ip] |
| 12:40.58 | jelly | AlexPortable: if it's a mail server it is a good idea to check mail logs, yes. /var/log/mail.log for postfix, /var/log/exim4/mainlog for exim |
| 12:41.33 | jelly | AlexPortable: pastebin a couple dozen complete, unmodified log lines. |
| 12:42.05 | Zathras | it lists the stick as a scsi device |
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| 12:42.40 | AlexPortable | postfix/smtpd[17579]: connect from census8.shodan.io[66.240.192.138] |
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| 12:42.51 | jelly | !paste |
| 12:42.51 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net or https://0bin.net/ | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 12:46.30 | AlexPortable | okay it seems like someone connects from localhost (maybe email form)? |
| 12:47.25 | jelly | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
| 12:48.36 | AlexPortable | log contains too much private information, what can I do to diagnose more?\ |
| 12:48.37 | rabbitear_sdf | Zathras: applogies |
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| 12:49.49 | jelly | AlexPortable: hire someone willing to sign an NDA. See in #postfix, maybe there's someone willing to do some contract work |
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| 12:50.58 | rabbitear_sdf | AlexPortable: read it |
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| 12:51.22 | rabbitear_sdf | AlexPortable: you should read them yourself |
| 12:51.43 | AlexPortable | well, i do but i only see 'connect from localhost', well... what is that supposed to tell me/ |
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| 12:52.28 | rabbitear_sdf | that there is a connection from the localhost |
| 12:52.36 | jelly | sorry, explaining mail logs blindly is a bit too silly for me |
| 12:52.36 | rabbitear_sdf | connections |
| 12:53.10 | rabbitear_sdf | AlexPortable: whats another question? |
| 12:53.20 | rabbitear_sdf | AlexPortable: you have.... ? |
| 12:53.39 | AlexPortable | well i have no idea 'what' or 'who' connected from localhost |
| 12:53.56 | rabbitear_sdf | AlexPortable: thats not a question, that is a statement |
| 12:54.03 | AlexPortable | how can i find out |
| 12:54.06 | rabbitear_sdf | AlexPortable: what is a question you got? |
| 12:54.21 | Zathras | ty rabbitear_sdf |
| 12:54.28 | rabbitear_sdf | AlexPortable: can you repeat the question please ? |
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| 12:54.38 | AlexPortable | i have no idea 'what' or 'who' connected from localhost, how can i find out? |
| 12:54.41 | rabbitear_sdf | Zathras: ya |
| 12:54.53 | jelly | AlexPortable: identify connections that actually send mail. Identify at least one queue-id that corresponds to a message looking like it might be spam. Find out where that particular connection comes from. |
| 12:55.11 | rabbitear_sdf | AlexPortable: lots of ways |
| 12:55.27 | rabbitear_sdf | AlexPortable: so many ways.. its just dizzing |
| 12:56.03 | jelly | AlexPortable: use ss or netstat to see established connections and processes that established them. |
| 12:56.04 | rabbitear_sdf | AlexPortable: its good to write down what you want |
| 12:56.28 | Zathras | AlexPortable, is your server a relay? Given shodan, maybe an iot device is the cause? |
| 12:56.55 | AlexPortable | i have no idea if it is, someone else enabled postfix but has no idea about it |
| 12:57.00 | Zathras | unless localhost is the only thing you see |
| 12:57.13 | jelly | shodan scans the whole public ipv4 space. They don't send spam. |
| 12:57.43 | jelly | AlexPortable: it's hard to help if you don't provide _actual info_ |
| 12:57.44 | Zathras | postconf should show the config |
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| 12:59.47 | rabbitear_sdf | AlexPortable: postfix has a small learning curve |
| 13:00.06 | rabbitear_sdf | AlexPortable: but AS THEY SAY, its better than sendmail |
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| 13:00.54 | rabbitear_sdf | AlexPortable: what don't you get about postfix ? |
| 13:01.03 | rabbitear_sdf | AlexPortable: I used to run postfix |
| 13:01.11 | rabbitear_sdf | AlexPortable: a long time ago |
| 13:02.01 | rabbitear_sdf | AlexPortable: I think you need to take more notes, on paper |
| 13:02.20 | rabbitear_sdf | AlexPortable: =eof= |
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| 13:49.07 | slipttees | Hi guys |
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| 13:49.57 | slipttees | i try run unetbootin and Unable to load library icui18n |
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| 13:51.36 | Zathras | hmm. 4.9.0-8 now shows the stick. Inconsistency. I hate it... |
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| 13:52.06 | slipttees | i need help fix! |
| 13:52.39 | Zathras | exact error? |
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| 13:54.43 | cryptodan | slipttees: see if you can get a tool called usb image writer on debian |
| 13:54.58 | slipttees | doesn't run unetbootin cau icui18n error |
| 13:55.02 | slipttees | cause* |
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| 14:10.23 | CarlFK | is it fair to say the ext4 fs is open source? |
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| 14:10.46 | selckin | ofc |
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| 14:16.41 | Faket | Hey guys, I got a small problem with my postfix + dovecot config. The recipient_delimiter seems not to be working, still I've set them at '+' for postfix and dovecot. I get mail return 'user unknown' error... |
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| 14:17.09 | vp11 | what package should I install if I want the software on Debian to "remember" passwords? (e.g. MySQL Workbench, Atom when using Github, etc) it seems like even if I check the box to "remember" the password, it doesn't. |
| 14:17.11 | Faket | the dovecot config is in 15-lda.conf and the postfix in his main config file |
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| 14:28.44 | cwood | Is there any software similar to cobbler in the debian repository? |
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| 14:39.44 | rudi_s | emilengler: "install" will create the directory for you. |
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| 15:16.47 | BlackBishop | anyone here with an APC ups ( Back-UPS RS 1200G or similar ) and using nut has experience changing a battery ? |
| 15:17.06 | BlackBishop | for some reason mine says battery.runtime: 3 ( seconds ) :| |
| 15:17.25 | BlackBishop | upsrw -s "battery.mfr.date=10/26/2018" -u root -p password ups says Unexpected response from upsd: ERR READONLY |
| 15:18.03 | cryptodan | the batteries are easy to change in those |
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| 15:18.26 | BlackBishop | cryptodan: yeah, the battery is changed, but for some reason it still shows 0 minutes when on load. |
| 15:19.29 | BlackBishop | now, the apc guys says I should use their powerchute app and click on 'change battery' |
| 15:19.36 | cryptodan | the battery you replaced it with may need charged up and if isn't youd get that error. If it has been in the unit for a long time likely its not connected or the battery is bad |
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| 15:19.45 | BlackBishop | which changes those attributes and it suddenly works ( on another ups ) |
| 15:20.04 | BlackBishop | it's been charged and working. |
| 15:20.12 | BlackBishop | but it seems I need to do something |
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| 15:21.01 | cryptodan | might want to power cycle the ups and see if that changes it |
| 15:21.09 | Led_Zeppelin | question about proxy. is it is possible to localize traffic for http://foo.com . so instead of users actually hitting foo.com i would like to have it hit my internal proxy server. |
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| 15:21.18 | BlackBishop | cryptodan: tried that, of course. |
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| 15:22.43 | cryptodan | does the lcd panel show fully charged? |
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| 15:23.31 | BlackBishop | yep |
| 15:23.48 | BlackBishop | I have 2 upss .. with same problem initially. |
| 15:23.56 | BlackBishop | Changed the batteries, both showed 0 |
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| 15:24.02 | cryptodan | then might need to restart the apc daemon |
| 15:24.03 | BlackBishop | one is now fixed by using powerchute on windows |
| 15:24.17 | BlackBishop | cryptodan: restarted the whole machine, and ups. same thing. |
| 15:24.23 | cryptodan | weird |
| 15:24.28 | BlackBishop | no. |
| 15:24.39 | BlackBishop | like I said, the first one got fixed by powerchute doing some magic. |
| 15:24.45 | BlackBishop | I'm curious how I'd do that on linux :| |
| 15:25.00 | cryptodan | they have a linux application as well |
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| 15:26.28 | BlackBishop | cryptodan: they do ? :/ |
| 15:26.40 | cryptodan | yes |
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| 15:27.39 | cryptodan | https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-ubuntu-centos-rhel-install-apcups/ |
| 15:27.48 | BlackBishop | that's not the oficial powerchute app |
| 15:27.55 | BlackBishop | also, apcupsd has the same issue |
| 15:29.20 | cryptodan | so when you run sudo apcaccess what do you get |
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| 15:30.45 | BlackBishop | BCHARGE : 100.0 Percent |
| 15:30.47 | BlackBishop | TIMELEFT : 0.1 Minutes |
| 15:31.01 | BlackBishop | LOADPCT : 15.0 Percent |
| 15:31.08 | BlackBishop | so it should last more than that |
| 15:33.15 | cryptodan | and what does it say when you unplug the ups |
| 15:34.06 | BlackBishop | cryptodan: apctest and wrote the new battery date worked ! |
| 15:34.15 | BlackBishop | TIMELEFT : 50.4 Minutes |
| 15:34.22 | cryptodan | good to hear |
| 15:34.29 | BlackBishop | well, this doesn't seem fair ! :| |
| 15:34.35 | BlackBishop | 1) nut says it's read only |
| 15:34.45 | BlackBishop | 2) you can't say a battery doesn't last just because of it's date |
| 15:34.53 | BlackBishop | same goes for it's estimated capacity, even if it's new |
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| 15:36.27 | cryptodan | i think the date is used to start a new time frame to alert you to change battery when its ready |
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| 15:38.19 | BlackBishop | cryptodan: and it seems that it's also used to estimate how much it lasts based on the current load ! |
| 15:39.04 | cryptodan | or the apctest resets the ups you could try later on with a new battery by doing a manual battery test |
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| 15:41.01 | Zathras | BlackBishop, maybe "nut" gives other info? |
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| 15:42.23 | Zathras | lh |
| 15:42.36 | Zathras | oh, sorry, you started with nut |
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| 15:43.31 | Zathras | if the ups is connected by usb reconnecting and reloading the driver might help |
| 15:44.06 | Zathras | I sometimes see stalemates on usb using nut |
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| 15:55.14 | BlackBishop | Zathras: nope, it's about the date. |
| 15:55.37 | BlackBishop | powerchute just set a date config and everything else refreshed. |
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| 15:55.47 | BlackBishop | and it seems that nut can't do that |
| 15:55.53 | BlackBishop | apctest did though and it works. |
| 15:56.27 | BlackBishop | it's amazing how few info about this is on the internet, everybody says, restart, reload, and similar stuff. |
| 15:56.35 | BlackBishop | and that has nothing to do with it when changing the battery. |
| 15:56.41 | BlackBishop | anyhow, fixed. thanks ! |
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| 15:59.31 | Zathras | iirc nut can send command and reconfigure an ups, however what obviously depends on the ups and the driver capabilities |
| 15:59.36 | Zathras | too late |
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| 18:23.18 | annadane | what is the way of validating an image once it's already installed on a usb? |
| 18:23.32 | annadane | and that it's all copied properly |
| 18:23.37 | annadane | and by image i mean debian image |
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| 18:24.01 | greycat | Ultimately, by booting it. |
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| 18:24.43 | somiaj | oh, you mean the image on a cd/dvd/usb device. you should be able to checksum the dev, /dev/usb, the checksum should hit an EOF at the end of the image and generate the same sum |
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| 18:26.23 | greycat | I wasn't sure about that part. I figured you might need to read a specific number of bytes and then hash only those. |
| 18:26.28 | mrslaughter1775 | Hello everyone. How do I get weechat to display which channels I'm connected to? |
| 18:27.15 | mrslaughter1775 | For example, if I'm connected to #python, ##javascript, and #debian, is there a way to set up the buffer to display that information so I know which rooms I'm simultaneously connected to? |
| 18:28.22 | somiaj | greycat: yea, i'm not quite sure either. I think you use to be able ot do check images this way, but it has been a long time since I've tried this. |
| 18:28.36 | somiaj | maybe I only did this back in the day of burning a cd, but never on a usb |
| 18:28.43 | greycat | Right, a CD is different. |
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| 18:29.47 | somiaj | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/75483/how-to-check-if-the-iso-was-written-to-my-usb-stick-without-errors -- seems to suggest using a command called cmp |
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| 18:30.39 | annadane | basically what i'm really asking is i've never had a truly clean "chain of install" and i'm being very nitpicky, the first debian install on this computer was done using rufus which obviously mucked up a bunch of stuff; later, i'd validated the download image cryptographically and used cp, but i did that on a "broken debian" because of rufus |
| 18:30.42 | somiaj | other answers seem to be better, seems checksums don't hit an EOF at the end of the partition, and you need to use head or some other tool to tell it when to stop. |
| 18:30.45 | annadane | it probably makes absolutely no difference at all |
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| 18:32.45 | annadane | i would be incredibly surprised with a simple tool like cp if it wasn't a completely faithful debian reproduction |
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| 18:52.05 | black_mamba | what is the end of file character? |
| 18:52.17 | greycat | There isn't one in Unix. |
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| 18:52.32 | greycat | In MS-DOS it's Ctrl-Z (ASCII 26). |
| 18:52.34 | black_mamba | greycat: linux included? |
| 18:53.02 | greycat | In Unix, the condition of EOF is reported by attempting to read and being told by the kernel, "You're at the end." |
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| 18:53.34 | black_mamba | is it the same as in file headers? |
| 18:53.36 | greycat | So, what are you actually trying to do? |
| 18:53.37 | somiaj | (though this could vary in programing languages) |
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| 18:53.56 | somiaj | i.e. you can tell the programing language what the EOF character is, many just use 'EOF' |
| 18:54.05 | EdePopede | what about C-d (0x04)? |
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| 18:54.22 | black_mamba | i'm trying to understand the magic bytes, so 1A ? |
| 18:54.22 | greycat | Ctrl-d is the character used by the Unix terminal driver to signal end of input from the user. |
| 18:54.30 | somiaj | ctrl-D is not the same as EOF (though sometimes has similar effect to hitting an EOF character) |
| 18:55.07 | greycat | (All such characters are changeable. See stty(1).) |
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| 18:55.39 | greycat | If you want a much deeper look at Unix terminals, see http://www.linusakesson.net/programming/tty/ |
| 18:55.57 | black_mamba | greycat: that is very helpful, thank you! |
| 18:57.54 | EdePopede | thanks somiaj and greycat. looks like a nice reading (if there's more of it, dont't hesitate to share :)) |
| 18:59.33 | EdePopede | maybe i've seen too many times stuff like https://web.cecs.pdx.edu/~rootd/catdoc/guide/TheGuide_38.html in all these years... "ctrl-d -- ends text input for many UNIX programs, including mail and write. " really sounds like EOF to me. |
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| 19:00.37 | greycat | From a naive end user's point of view, it would seem that way. It's actually because you've run a program on a terminal, and that program is just letting the terminal feed it input in canonical mode. |
| 19:00.50 | greycat | Ctrl-d isn't special to either of those two programs -- only to the terminal. |
| 19:01.18 | greycat | You get the same behavior from any program that just reads input. Like cat, od, sed, etc. |
| 19:01.39 | somiaj | if you put a ctrl-D character at the end of a file, that ctrl-D character would be read (and not treated as EOF) |
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| 19:01.45 | greycat | correct |
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| 19:47.27 | noln | annadane, isosize is another option https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/index.en.html#verify |
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| 20:45.09 | cheapie | TIL you actually _can_ install Debian to NTFS, and it _does_ actually work |
| 20:45.30 | cheapie | Is it reliable? Dunno, but it does at least boot and seems to work fine. |
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| 20:46.24 | cheapie | Some stuff (like sudo and su) doesn't work, but really, even having it boot was more than I expected :P |
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| 20:54.40 | cheapie | It appears that logging in as root does work properly, if you have it set to be allowed, so this _does_ result in a usable system if you're willing to work around sudo and su not working. |
| 20:55.19 | cheapie | (whether this means you want to log in as root for administration or just throw security out the window and do everything as root, either works here) |
| 20:55.24 | greycat | I would assume that ownerships of files are just totally screwed. |
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| 20:56.11 | cheapie | greycat: Yes, file permissions are... pretty much nonexistent. Not exactly ideal. |
| 20:56.49 | cheapie | As in pretty much everything seems to be 777 and root:root. |
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| 20:57.28 | greycat | That'll also break some programs that sanity-check permissions before allowing you to do stuff, like ssh's key authorization. |
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| 20:57.50 | cheapie | So I guess this also means that the answer to "will my system still boot if I do 'chmod -R 777 /'?" is "yes, but some programs will break" |
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| 21:02.03 | cheapie | You know, I think the logical next question (and something for me to try later) is "can I install Windows and Debian in the same partition?" |
| 21:02.23 | greycat | Not supported or recommended. |
| 21:02.29 | cheapie | Not to be confused with "Should I do that?", which has an answer of "no what the fsck are you thinking" |
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| 21:03.22 | somiaj | most likely not, windows will want ntfs which isn't compadable with unix style permissions |
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| 21:03.23 | greycat | And then, "I hope your last backup was recent and is readable." |
| 21:04.23 | greycat | And then, "Oh well. Sucks to be you." |
| 21:04.46 | cheapie | somiaj: Well, I already established that Debian will boot from NTFS (though, yes, permissions are all kinds of broken), and Windows will of course boot from NTFS, so I think they might at least boot and function _to an extent_ if sharing a partition. |
| 21:05.04 | cheapie | greycat: Well, yes, I'm not trying to use these for any kind of production use :P |
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| 21:07.12 | somiaj | cheapie: you also need owner ship, many packages try to change ownership of files on install, this will fail, caussing an error, causing the package to fail to install. |
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| 21:07.46 | somiaj | also any package that tries to change permsissions after install will fail, and extracing an ar file (that contains ownership and persmissions) could also fail |
| 21:08.20 | cheapie | somiaj: chmod on ntfs-3g seems to "succeed" but with no effect, so apt and such is happy. |
| 21:08.53 | cheapie | So it _will_ install software (I tested it and it works) but permissions always end up 777 regardless of what apt tries to do. |
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| 21:12.54 | somiaj | either way, problably not something worth discussing here. You will run into problems, what problems you run into will be hard to say. |
| 21:13.15 | somiaj | (not to mention linux does a terrible job fixing ntfs partitions, so if your partition got corrupted on the linux side, you might be in a world of pain) |
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| 21:25.14 | trysten | hi everyone |
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| 21:32.00 | heller | umm guys |
| 21:32.13 | heller | i've got a host with 10Gb drive (esxi client) |
| 21:32.39 | heller | added another 15Gb drive and mounted it for mongodb. still the new drive is empty |
| 21:34.28 | somiaj | what is esxi? Are you turning both these drives into a single drive with some LVM setup, or are these drives mounted in separate partitions? |
| 21:34.35 | heller | vmware, virtualisation |
| 21:34.42 | heller | mounted as separate |
| 21:35.23 | somiaj | I don't htink vmware means much here. If they are mounted in separate locations, what have you done to ensure data gets put in the new location? |
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| 21:35.55 | heller | well /var/lib/mongodb is taking 4Gigs of space |
| 21:35.59 | somiaj | also what location did you mount this new drive at? |
| 21:36.09 | heller | mounted new partition as /var/lib/mongodb but its almost empty |
| 21:36.17 | heller | old was /dev/sda and new is /dev/sda |
| 21:36.23 | heller | sda1 and sdb1 |
| 21:36.41 | somiaj | care to put the output of 'mount' and 'df -h' at paste.debian.net |
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| 21:37.13 | heller | sure |
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| 21:39.32 | heller | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/3d6cfa85/ |
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| 21:40.34 | somiaj | heller: did you copy your date from /var/lib/mongodb over to the new partition before mounting it? What is the output of 'du -h /var/lib/mongodb' (I really only need the last line, and you can paste a single line in here) |
| 21:41.20 | heller | didnt copy anything |
| 21:41.23 | heller | 13M /var/lib/mongodb/ |
| 21:41.41 | somiaj | just mounting this partition in /var/lib/mongodb, will put it over the old data that was there. |
| 21:41.51 | heller | hmm |
| 21:41.53 | heller | really? |
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| 21:42.04 | somiaj | You should unmount this partition, mount it somewhere tempoary, such as /mnt, and copy all the old mongodb data to this partition, then mount it in the correct spot |
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| 21:42.32 | somiaj | yes, mounting a partition over a current filesystem, just puts the new partition on top of it, it doesn't transfer any of the data over. You have to manually do that. |
| 21:42.39 | heller | nice |
| 21:42.51 | heller | well how can my / still show 99% used? |
| 21:43.02 | heller | if its mounted on a new place and deleted? :) |
| 21:43.09 | somiaj | so 1) stop mongodb service, 2) copy data over (cp -a or rsync -a works) 3) erase the data in the old location (provided you are sure you have a backup) |
| 21:43.19 | somiaj | don't mount until after you delete the data |
| 21:43.49 | somiaj | then 4) mount the new partition in its new locaiton (/var/lib/mongodb) and 5) start the mongodb service and see if it can see its data files again and start adding to the new location |
| 21:44.07 | somiaj | that is the basic work flow you need to do, to get this new partition to work in the location you have specified. |
| 21:44.28 | heller | okay |
| 21:44.38 | heller | still, how come mongodb still claims this: Please make at least 3379MB available in /usr/lib/unifi/data/db/journal |
| 21:45.10 | heller | ahh mmm yeah the / is still full |
| 21:45.15 | somiaj | because that is part of your root file system, until you recover those 4gigs in /var/lib/mongodb (by delete that data after you have backed it up/moved it) it will still be full |
| 21:47.43 | heller | but am i able to unmount /? |
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| 21:48.14 | somiaj | you don't need to unmount / in this case. |
| 21:48.39 | somiaj | just unmount /dev/sdb1 (so you can see the data in /var/lib/mongodb, then mount that at some other (unused) location, copy the data over, delete the data, etc |
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| 21:49.01 | somiaj | and you can't unmount /, if you needed to mess with /, you would need to be running off a live system. |
| 21:49.30 | heller | thats what i ment |
| 21:49.34 | heller | well i'll try again |
| 21:50.01 | somiaj | if you have files open in /var/lib/mongodb, or you are inside that directory in a shell, you won't be able to unmount it. |
| 21:50.10 | somiaj | so make sure mongodb is stopped |
| 21:50.17 | heller | create partition, mount /mnt/temp, copy /var/lib/mongodb to /mtn/temp, mount sdb1 as /var/lib/mongodb, copy files to there? |
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| 21:50.36 | somiaj | no |
| 21:50.56 | somiaj | mount /dev/sdb1 in /mnt/tmp, and just copy straigt form /var/lib/mongodb (when sdb1 is not mounted there) to the new drive. |
| 21:51.04 | somiaj | once it is on the new drive, delete and then mount new drive in correct location. |
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| 21:51.22 | somiaj | (with unmounting it from the tmp location first) |
| 21:53.43 | heller | moment |
| 21:54.02 | heller | copying /var/lib/mongodb to /mnt/tmpb |
| 21:54.30 | heller | actually stopping the process first |
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| 21:57.24 | heller | done |
| 21:57.27 | heller | now the magic |
| 21:57.40 | somiaj | just be careful before deleting your data, delete is permanate, and you best know your backup is good. |
| 21:57.55 | heller | yeah i've reverted a snapshot 3 times |
| 21:58.03 | heller | getting quick with doing this again |
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| 21:58.35 | cheapie | somiaj: Well, it does "work": https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/2018-10-26-164832.png |
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| 21:59.05 | cheapie | Still has the same Linux-on-NTFS problems (seeing as how you're not supposed to do that) but the presence of Windows in the same partition doesn't seem to make anything worse. |
| 21:59.16 | heller | when i unmount the new sdb1, how can i see its space? |
| 21:59.19 | somiaj | I wouldn't trust it, with sgid, suid, and various other permsisons that are needed, things won't just work. |
| 21:59.29 | somiaj | heller: mount it first |
| 21:59.37 | somiaj | heller: I odn't know a way to see how much space is used without mounting the file system. |
| 21:59.41 | cheapie | somiaj: Yeah, I mentioned that before. That's what I mean by "the Linux-on-NTFS problems" |
| 21:59.44 | heller | okay |
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| 22:04.43 | somiaj | hmm, I wonder if ntfs-3g supports hard links, if not kernel upgrades will fail. |
| 22:05.01 | somiaj | (ran across this with people putting /boot on a fat32 efi partition -- works for everything except kernel upgrades) |
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| 22:06.45 | somiaj | actually that might make upgrades in general fail, dpkg uses hardlinks to be able to revert back if an upgrade fails. |
| 22:07.06 | heller | somiaj: thanks for the help |
| 22:07.12 | heller | in progress still |
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| 22:07.26 | heller | not much to see if i'll have to revert again |
| 22:08.13 | somiaj | I hope I outlined the process well enough you can get it to work, though might have to play around with the details if you aren't that custom to debian (well linux) |
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| 22:11.38 | heller | hmm |
| 22:12.12 | heller | so.. i did not delete anything prior to mounting tmp to the real readl |
| 22:12.16 | heller | do i have to revert again? |
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| 22:12.51 | somiaj | no, just unmount the partition from /var/lib/mongodb, so you can delete the contents there, then remount |
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| 22:15.11 | heller | yeah i guess i'm doomed again |
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| 22:16.02 | heller | i mounted /var/lib/mongodb and /var/lib/unifi to /dev/sdb1 |
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| 22:16.12 | heller | now i'm left with only mongodb |
| 22:16.34 | heller | not sure if i can recover the /dev/lib/unifi anymore? |
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| 22:30.16 | cheapie | OK, so it seems like running usermap on Windows *before* installing Linux to the partition makes permissions work. |
| 22:30.47 | cheapie | This does include setuid and setgid, so sudo and su work as well. |
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| 22:55.51 | stuser | I've spent most of the day trying to install Debian 9 on a MS Surface 3 (non-pro version). On all of the installs with different desktop environments (including a minimal install without a DE), the screen turns black about a minute after boot, whether I login or not. The only exception being the newest install which uses XFCE4. If I login quick enough, the system works fine. Can someone tell me what's special about XFCE/lightdm that |
| 22:56.40 | stuser | Also, when it does hang: the screen turns black but the backlight is still on. Don't know if that helps |
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| 23:22.08 | mason | stuser: Did you try a "firmware" installer? |
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| 23:22.22 | mason | stuser: E.g., firmware-9.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 23:33.05 | stuser | mason: I didn't, but I don't see how that's related. The regular netinstaller prompted me for firmware for the wireless card, but I got around it by attaching a usb->ethernet adapter |
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| 23:36.42 | at0m | stuser: apart from the desktop, can you get at least some tty? Ctrl-Alt-F1 and the like |
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| 23:37.02 | at0m | stuser: or, have another machine to ssh to that one |
| 23:40.23 | wolfpackmars2 | hi |
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| 23:53.10 | stuser | at0m: switching to any tty causes the black screen |
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| 23:54.27 | stuser | and I don't have an ssh server on it, but I'll try now |
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