| 00:00.51 | somiaj | Kadigan: I don't think you want scripts launching when you read from files. But you can create scripts that launch when you execute them. |
| 00:01.17 | Kadigan | I want to have multiple versions of the same file served to the same process depending on its launch context. |
| 00:01.26 | somiaj | But do you have some goal in mind, why do you want scripts to run when something reads a paticular file? |
| 00:01.57 | Kadigan | Say, `./process -savedir ./Save_A` gets file variant A, and when I launch `./process -savedir ./Save_B` it gets file variant B |
| 00:02.23 | somiaj | And you want this to replace the current running process as opposed to creating a new process? |
| 00:02.36 | Kadigan | I don't want to replace the process. |
| 00:02.53 | somiaj | I mean you want to current running process ot load Save_B and use it in place of Save_A? |
| 00:02.53 | Kadigan | I have concurrent processes. I need them to have different contents of "/some/file" when launched. |
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| 00:03.51 | somiaj | I guess I really don't get what you are trying to do. You just want your process to have a flag that you can tell it what data file to read that time? This is a common flag. |
| 00:03.59 | somiaj | (though the actual flag would depend on the process) |
| 00:04.10 | Kadigan | Okay, here's what I have. I have a game server that I can run multiple instances of, from the same folder structure, by providing it different launch parameters. |
| 00:04.17 | Kadigan | Sadly, "--configFile" is not one of them. |
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| 00:04.26 | Kadigan | So each process launched shares the same config file. |
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| 00:04.58 | Kadigan | I need -one line- of that config file to be different >_M |
| 00:05.00 | Kadigan | >_<* |
| 00:05.30 | somiaj | sounds like a limiation in the game server if you can specifiy which config file to use. Once the game server is running, if you change the config file, and then run another instance with the new option? |
| 00:05.33 | Kadigan | (has to do w/ enemy spawning rates -- the newest instance I have going is on a map about twice as big as the previous ones, so the spawn rates are way too low) |
| 00:05.37 | somiaj | s/can/can't/ |
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| 00:06.17 | somiaj | you could write a wrapper script that updates the config file before running the game server, and that wrapper script could parse custom flags so it knows which config option to use. |
| 00:06.18 | Kadigan | Are you proposing I instead run a "config generator" of sorts, which is invoked before each instance launch, to "prepare" the contents of the file for the particular instance? |
| 00:06.36 | Kadigan | Yeah, that's what you're proposing all right... |
| 00:06.57 | somiaj | You could also ask the game server devs to add the feature to load a custom config file as a command line flag. |
| 00:07.24 | Kadigan | The collective community can't get the devs to accept the remaining 95% of the translations that've been in limbo for the past two years. |
| 00:07.55 | Kadigan | So that's a vehement "no" on that last question. |
| 00:08.21 | somiaj | well if it was open source, you could modify it yourself. But maybe a warpper script can get the job done. |
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| 00:08.48 | Kadigan | The game is ARK: Survival Evolved. If you're familiar with it, that'll tell you all you'd ever want to know about the issue. |
| 00:09.14 | CarlFK | what package supplies qemu-img ? |
| 00:09.19 | somiaj | doesn't sound like a debian issue. |
| 00:09.23 | somiaj | CarlFK: apt-file can help with that. |
| 00:09.29 | somiaj | CarlFK: (if installed dpkg -S can) |
| 00:09.33 | Kadigan | I considered making duplicates and separating stuff, but I didn't want to keep some 60-odd GB per instance. |
| 00:09.48 | CarlFK | somiaj: thanks |
| 00:09.49 | somiaj | CarlFK: qemu-utils: /usr/bin/qemu-img |
| 00:09.50 | Kadigan | I might attempt some lesser magick with links though... |
| 00:10.01 | CarlFK | somiaj: thanks more |
| 00:10.21 | Kadigan | (I already have the most disk-intensive components offloaded to an SSD there) |
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| 00:11.51 | Kadigan | somiaj: hm... I'd still need to do some conflict avoidance... I'd need to keep the file write-locked until I was sure the process launched properly... That'll be interesting... |
| 00:12.56 | Kadigan | But going back to my question -- is it at all possible to have the file present different contents depending on the context? (which would most easily be done by having the file be a "special node" that sources contents from a script a read triggers) |
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| 00:13.31 | somiaj | what does the directory structure look like that has the config file, it is lots of files, or just a few files and lots of directories with the data. |
| 00:13.44 | somiaj | You could make a link coppy of the whole directory tree, execept the config file |
| 00:14.40 | somiaj | Only way to do that is to have a script that translates the file then feeds it to the software via stdin, but in this case, probably not possible, since having a flag to read different config files would be an easy thing to add to a program. |
| 00:15.14 | somiaj | I mean think of php, php produces different output depending on context, but at the level you are talking about (file read), no I don't think so, you'd need some intruptuer in the middle. |
| 00:15.26 | SerajewelKS | Kadigan: i don't know if anyone brought it up, but fifos are a thing |
| 00:16.10 | somiaj | to me the proper way would be fix the actual process, all other ways are hacks. |
| 00:16.18 | SerajewelKS | of course |
| 00:16.28 | somiaj | though with closed source binaries, sometimes you have no choice. |
| 00:16.43 | SerajewelKS | a fifo would be the hacky solution |
| 00:16.54 | SerajewelKS | a kludge would be a custom fuse filesystem |
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| 00:18.39 | SerajewelKS | Kadigan: regarding "is it at all possible to have the file present different contents depending on the context?" -- yes, with a custom fuse filesystem |
| 00:19.02 | SerajewelKS | fuse_get_context() will return a struct with (among other things) the pid of the process that initiated the operation |
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| 00:19.27 | SerajewelKS | if you can somehow map the pid to the value you need to put in the config, then there you go |
| 00:19.32 | SerajewelKS | but beware, here dragons be |
| 00:19.37 | Kadigan | In this particular context I'd probably want to know the name of the parent bash script launching it, actually. |
| 00:19.55 | SerajewelKS | you can probably look that up |
| 00:20.03 | Kadigan | But I guess I could look it up in /proc somewhere, or somewhere else. |
| 00:20.16 | SerajewelKS | another option would be to store something in the process environment before launching it (with "export") |
| 00:20.29 | SerajewelKS | if the process has the same owner as the fuse process, it can read that process' environment using the pid |
| 00:20.42 | SerajewelKS | in particular, /proc/$PID/environ |
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| 00:25.18 | SerajewelKS | another option is to use a preload library |
| 00:25.41 | SerajewelKS | (probably the better option, TBH) |
| 00:26.04 | SerajewelKS | this would allow you to capture e.g. the open() system call. if the argument is the config file, you can change the argument on the way to the REAL open() to trick it into opening a different file altogether. |
| 00:26.45 | SerajewelKS | this doesn't even require root. you just tell ld to load your library before libc and this way your library gets the first chance to provide open(). |
| 00:27.52 | SerajewelKS | TBH that's probably the route i'd go |
| 00:28.33 | SerajewelKS | it's a well-documented and understood trick, and requires a single C library with a single function |
| 00:29.24 | SerajewelKS | oh and hey, since you'll be running "in" the ARK process itself, you can read its environment. so you can tell it what config file to load using an environment variable. |
| 00:29.32 | SerajewelKS | this is like a dozen lines of C and you're done :) |
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| 00:31.52 | quint | My apache2 is configured to listen strictly on port 80 tcp6, and netstat can confirm this. However, connecting from a different host on tcp4 port 80 actually works.. Why is this? |
| 00:32.22 | SerajewelKS | quint: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv6/bindv6only |
| 00:32.52 | quint | SerajewelKS: 1 |
| 00:35.36 | SerajewelKS | quint: hmm. i know that this is a default setting that applications can override. |
| 00:36.24 | SerajewelKS | google suggests this is a compile-time option (./configure --enable-v4-mapped) |
| 00:36.32 | SerajewelKS | apache compile-time option, that is |
| 00:37.31 | SerajewelKS | quint: #httpd is the apache channel, they might know if it's possible to modify this behavior without recompiling |
| 00:38.03 | quint | SerajewelKS: I'll try them, thanks! |
| 00:39.11 | SerajewelKS | np |
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| 01:00.02 | rk[ghost] | anyone have any suggestions for a lightweight web-browser? (firefox crashes on me every time i open it -.-).. need some sort of backup |
| 01:00.18 | rk[ghost] | xombrero seems to suck at webpaging because too much javascripting noobs. |
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| 01:02.51 | EdePopede | every time really is a bit much. any idea why? and also with new profiles? |
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| 03:42.25 | dode | hm SerajewelKS actually so i have a .bashrc in my home folder and i tried specifying --rcfile ~/.bashrc |
| 03:42.35 | dode | it reads my .bashrc |
| 03:42.42 | dode | but it's still reading the global |
| 03:43.02 | tharkun | SerajewelKS: Have I told you lately that I love you? :* |
| 03:43.44 | SerajewelKS | tharkun: :) |
| 03:43.52 | SerajewelKS | note that you can replace the silly "|| exit 1" stuff with an && chain |
| 03:43.59 | SerajewelKS | it's a bit late for me to be writing code |
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| 03:58.37 | Starz0r | my debian installation isn't properly renewing it's DHCP lease when it boots on, what could cause this? |
| 03:58.53 | Starz0r | I have to manually plug in a keyboard and renew it by hand when this happens |
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| 04:23.50 | SerajewelKS | Starz0r: if there is a persisted lease then it may not renew it because it doesn't need to |
| 04:24.07 | SerajewelKS | alternatively, the network link may not come up until after the system tries to acquire a lease |
| 04:24.15 | Starz0r | SerajewelKS: It refuses to connect to the internet then |
| 04:24.35 | Starz0r | I had a power outage before, so when it turned on, it refused to get the lease (even though internet was active) |
| 04:24.52 | Starz0r | does this even now even though there is a active ethernet link between the machine and router |
| 04:25.12 | SerajewelKS | AIUI the default debian scripts don't care or notice when the link status changes |
| 04:25.27 | SerajewelKS | e.g. replugging the cable will not cause the system to dhcpdiscover |
| 04:26.10 | SerajewelKS | so if the system is booted with the link down, it will not autoconfigure itself |
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| 04:28.39 | SerajewelKS | Starz0r: you may be interested in the netplug package |
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| 04:31.28 | SerajewelKS | note that this can still break down. e.g. if the other end of the link becomes active before the DHCP server is up. |
| 04:34.19 | Starz0r | SerajewelKS: i'll check it out, thanks |
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| 04:34.40 | SerajewelKS | a good example is if you have a switch and a router, with the switch between the system and the router |
| 04:34.50 | SerajewelKS | the switch will probably become active before the router software finishes booting |
| 04:35.01 | SerajewelKS | the system will see the link to the switch and try to get a lease and still fail |
| 04:35.33 | Starz0r | is there no program to poll for this state of internet being active? |
| 04:35.56 | SerajewelKS | you could probably put something in a crontab to do it |
| 04:36.27 | SerajewelKS | run every minute and see if any non-APIPA IPs are on the interface. if not, cycle the interface. |
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| 04:41.43 | SerajewelKS | Starz0r: if you are using dhclient (the default) then it _should_ retry obtaining a lease every five minutes until it gets one |
| 04:41.59 | SerajewelKS | so the default debian behavior should still work in your case |
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| 04:49.33 | Starz0r | SerajewelKS: if it doesn't, should I be worried? |
| 04:49.54 | SerajewelKS | worried? probably not. but i'd dig around in the dhclient log to see what's going on. |
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| 05:02.06 | Starz0r | where's the log location |
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| 05:07.08 | Hijiri | hello |
| 05:07.10 | Hijiri | what package adds the /etc/samba configuration directory? |
| 05:07.12 | Hijiri | I thought it was samba, but purging and reinstalling doesn't get me it |
| 05:07.44 | Hijiri | ah, it was samba-common |
| 05:07.52 | Hijiri | I'm having another problem though, I can't start smbd |
| 05:08.14 | Hijiri | If I run it interactively I get another error (let me make a paste) |
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| 05:09.18 | Hijiri | here it is: paste.debian.net/1050875 |
| 05:09.37 | Hijiri | the errors suggest some problem with winbind but I don't know what to do |
| 05:11.29 | Hijiri | I tried reinstalling winbind but it didn't help |
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| 05:13.34 | Hijiri | well somehow removing winbind made it work |
| 05:13.54 | Hijiri | but winbind is useful for something right? This seems like a hacky solution |
| 05:14.58 | Hijiri | at least I can finally watch anime |
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| 06:11.14 | kleind | Might be an faq, and if so, please redirect me to the answer. Have there been any changes to the debian mirrors regarding the $mirror/debian-security path? |
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| 06:16.19 | kleind | At least the mirror that resolves for ftp.de.debian.org from my place does not carry /debian-security (any more?). Should that not be a proper place to get updates from? |
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| 06:19.17 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (http://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (http://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
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| 06:41.46 | Gigglebyte | Is there an app emulator for Debian? |
| 06:41.49 | ralpheeee | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:45.33 | agio | Gigglebyte: you mean like QEMU? |
| 06:45.46 | Gigglebyte | Is fence-agents the name of the file for Anbox? |
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| 06:45.59 | Gigglebyte | agio> I would like to run apps on my laptop |
| 06:46.22 | Gigglebyte | I did a search of the repos for Anbox, and fence-agents came up, but not sure that correlates. |
| 06:46.41 | agio | when you say app? do you mean android? |
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| 06:52.51 | Gigglebyte | It is getting late, and it looks like it is going to take a lot more fiddling than what I want to spend time on this evening. I am headed to sleep. Feel free to memoserve me if anyone finds something profound as it relates to how to view and run apps on the desktop. |
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| 06:54.34 | vlt | Gigglebyte: Usually itâs enough to run /path/to/app in a terminal to run it. |
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| 06:55.59 | agio | !judd list Judd |
| 06:55.59 | dpkg | agio, you probably want to address that to judd, not to me. (Hint: leave off the ! in your command -- that's there to grab my attention not judd's) |
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| 06:56.21 | agio | judd list Judd |
| 06:56.22 | judd | alternative, archs, binaries, breaks, bug, bug autobug, bug rc, bug rfs, bug rm, bug wnpp, builddep, checkbackport, checkbuilddeps, checkdeps, checkinstall, conflicts, danke, depends, enhances, file, info, maint, names, popcon, provides, recent, recommends, replaces, rprovides, src, suggests, versions, whouploads, and why |
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| 06:59.38 | agio | judd source python |
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| 06:59.39 | judd | Package python in stretch -- source: python-defaults |
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| 07:04.49 | Gigglebyte | vit> I am not familiar with how to do this..... |
| 07:05.13 | Gigglebyte | vlt> I am not familiar with how to do this, and I want the app to find my location. |
| 07:06.15 | vlt | Gigglebyte: What is the name of the app and how did you install it? |
| 07:07.25 | Gigglebyte | vlt> The name is pulse. I only have it installed on my cell phone, and not my laptop. |
| 07:07.40 | Gigglebyte | I would like to run it on my laptop. |
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| 07:08.55 | Gigglebyte | It is getting late. Will you be on tomorrow? I need my beauty rest....... |
| 07:09.22 | vlt | is heading to work now |
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| 08:03.11 | Resilience | hello to everyone when updating&&dist-upgrading I get this message "Max. recursion depth with nested structures exceeded at /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/perl/5.28/Storable.pm line 278, at /usr/bin/apt-show-versions line 271." and "dpkg: error processing package apt-show-versions (--configure):" I have read about it and seems as if I have some perl local instalaltion, but I did not do that what's going on? |
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| 08:24.47 | jelly | ,v perl |
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| 08:24.48 | judd | Package: perl on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.14.2-21+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 5.14.2-21+deb7u6; jessie: 5.20.2-3+deb8u11; jessie-security: 5.20.2-3+deb8u11; stretch: 5.24.1-3+deb9u4; stretch-security: 5.24.1-3+deb9u4; buster: 5.28.0-3; sid: 5.28.0-3 |
| 08:24.56 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 08:24.56 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 08:25.26 | jelly | Resilience: check the bug reports for that apt-show-versions thing, and ask over there ^ |
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| 08:27.38 | Resilience | jelly, why #debina-next is on oftc and on freenode? I have never understood that |
| 08:28.02 | tsarompy | o0o0o |
| 08:28.08 | tsarompy | guess im goin to oftc then |
| 08:28.59 | Resilience | jelly and why the channel for debian-TESTING is called debina-NEXT?, never understood this too |
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| 08:29.52 | jelly | it's for questions concerning the next release of debian? |
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| 08:30.50 | Resilience | jelly, what do you mean with that? |
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| 08:34.55 | jelly | Resilience: it's what the word "next" means. |
| 08:36.23 | jelly | the unit of something following the current one |
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| 08:38.39 | awal1 | Resilience, 'next' refers to next stable release |
| 08:38.39 | Resilience | jelly, , there are different debian next, but does not matter |
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| 08:38.47 | jelly | looks like #912695 |
| 08:38.54 | jelly | judd: bug 912695 |
| 08:38.55 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/912695 in apt-show-versions (closed): «apt-show-versions: breaks "apt-get update" and uninstallable after Perl 5.28 upgrade»; severity: critical; opened: 2018-11-02; last modified: 2018-11-07. |
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| 08:40.55 | ralpheeee | did a net-install of stable and have installed some packages from sid....just wondering whats the best practice to update when buster comes out? |
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| 08:41.34 | jelly | ralpheeee: best practice is never to mix stable with any newer repo not specifically made to work with stable |
| 08:42.09 | jelly | in other words, your installation may already be broken and not easily upgradable |
| 08:42.31 | jelly | (depending on the subset of packages upgraded) |
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| 08:44.06 | jelly | ralpheeee: if eg. current stable is called "stretch" it's okay to use stretch-backports, but not mix it with testing (buster) or unstable (sid) |
| 08:44.12 | jelly | !stretch-backports |
| 08:44.12 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Buster (Debian 10) but recompiled for use with Stretch (Debian 9) can be found in the stretch-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>. |
| 08:44.43 | jelly | if you're still missing something, you can attempt doing a backport build yourself |
| 08:45.14 | jelly | but avoid adding repos for a newer branch (or a completely different distro) |
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| 08:46.00 | ralpheeee | jelly: crap....ok thxs! |
| 08:47.15 | ralpheeee | need to find out out how to revert the sid packages i installed |
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| 08:48.04 | jelly | ralpheeee: simplest thing to do is reinstall; otherwise read /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
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| 08:48.44 | jelly | or remove newer repos and all packages that are |
| 08:48.48 | jelly | !not available |
| 08:48.48 | dpkg | To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
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| 08:49.25 | jelly | however, that may not be safe if newer versions of stuff changed on-disk data formats or configuration files |
| 08:50.16 | jelly | downgrades can easily become really complex to handle, which is why they are not supported in Debian |
| 08:51.49 | ralpheeee | what happens if i switch to testing now ....how will the sid packages be affected if it all? |
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| 08:52.54 | jelly | depends on the version differences between buster and sid |
| 08:53.14 | jelly | if there are none you can just keep on testing |
| 08:54.13 | ralpheeee | will try to move to testing if all else fails will have to install debian again /o\ |
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| 08:54.50 | ralpheeee | where is buster currently at /aplha/beta/freeze |
| 08:55.02 | jelly | !buster freeze |
| 08:55.02 | dpkg | Buster will start the freeze process on 2019-01-12 see https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2018/04/msg00006.html or ask me about <freeze>, <slushy>. |
| 08:55.22 | ralpheeee | sweet...thxs for all your help jelly o/ |
| 08:55.41 | jelly | if you choose that route, |
| 08:55.45 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 08:55.45 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 10:02.37 | ralpheeee | asked a question in [#debian-offtopic] but these guys appear to reside on a diff planet.....how can I track why a particular package is not inc in debian...[https://flacon.github.io/] & [https://www.linux-apps.com/p/1128868/] |
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| 10:03.35 | shtrb | ralpheeee, have you checked if it was ever there in the first place ? |
| 10:03.48 | shtrb | ,v flacon |
| 10:03.49 | judd | No package named 'flacon' was found in amd64. |
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| 10:06.12 | ralpheeee | am just curious as to why [https://flacon.github.io/download/] ...ie if this was possible in debian 8 then there must be a reason why it has not been inc |
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| 10:06.41 | shtrb | is there an WLPP for it ? |
| 10:06.50 | shtrb | request to package |
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| 10:07.44 | jelly | !rfp |
| 10:07.44 | dpkg | Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, a RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ", ask me about <wnpp>. The best way of getting software packaged is to do it yourself: ask me about <nmg>. |
| 10:08.18 | shtrb | nice ! thanks jelly I thought that wnpp is the term for it |
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| 10:09.04 | shtrb | ralpheeee, nothing at https://search.debian.org/cgi-bin/omega?DB=en&P=flacon (no one seem to ever asked to do it) |
| 10:09.30 | jelly | !wnpp |
| 10:09.30 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp (refinable list at http://wnpp.debian.net/). Use wnpp-alert (from the <devscripts> package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
| 10:09.38 | ralpheeee | shtrb: o.O |
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| 10:09.58 | shtrb | ralpheeee, it's your time to shine , you can package it yourself ! |
| 10:10.20 | ralpheeee | lol....am like less than 1hr knew to debian...lol |
| 10:10.21 | jelly | so yeha, there's a reason, the reason is noone asked for it and noone did the work |
| 10:10.34 | ralpheeee | *Knew new |
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| 10:12.23 | ralpheeee | don't understand why the dev provided repo instead of talking to debian folks....seems a bit silly (unless of course there is some negative history) |
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| 10:13.06 | shtrb | it's sometime faster, he does not need to pass all the tests (safe code , free code, correctly packages etc) |
| 10:13.35 | ralpheeee | shtrb: but surely thats short term thinking of his package |
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| 10:31.49 | shtrb | ,v gdrive |
| 10:31.51 | judd | No package named 'gdrive' was found in amd64. |
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| 10:33.53 | Li | Is there a way to SANDBOX a program in Debian, so that it's completely isolated from accessing filesystem and just disapear as if it was not installed once closed? |
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| 10:36.20 | petn-randall | Li: You could install it in a VM. But it really depends on why you want to achieve that. |
| 10:36.23 | themill | ralpheeee: that bug of yours is pretty useless |
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| 10:37.44 | ralpheeee | themill: yeah...i make a complete mess of it...just adding url now |
| 10:37.55 | shtrb | Li, firejail , chroot ,docker , vm there are many options |
| 10:38.33 | shtrb | themill, how did you find a bug sent by an IRC user ? |
| 10:38.35 | themill | ralpheeee: it's also not against the right package, with the right subject etc. Following the instructions dpkg gave you would have been good ;( |
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| 10:38.46 | themill | #913217 |
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| 10:39.48 | shtrb | themill, but how did you learn about it ? |
| 10:40.10 | themill | it just got filed |
| 10:40.48 | themill | and I happened to be looking at the right bit of the firehose |
| 10:41.32 | petn-randall | is guessing that themill is subscribed to debian-bugs-dist. |
| 10:41.36 | shtrb | oh https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=913217 does seem empty |
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| 10:42.55 | shtrb | oh god, ralpheeee you filed the bug via the web interface or reportbug ? |
| 10:43.40 | ralpheeee | shtrb: used https://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ "adding new entries with reportbug" |
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| 10:44.01 | shtrb | oh |
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| 10:48.50 | shtrb | if you are already using their email service taking a look on their vpn could give you more privacy |
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| 10:50.20 | ralpheeee | shtrb: was using pia (private internet access) which just expired 2 days ago....at the time their vpn was not so great in terms of service.... |
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| 10:52.57 | ralpheeee | would like to use a service which can handle wireguard |
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| 10:54.14 | shtrb | why ipsec so important ? |
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| 10:57.34 | Li | I don't know about chroot and docker! I don't wanna virtual machine on the system, I knew/tried firejail but I thought it's only for use with firefox! |
| 10:58.16 | shtrb | firejail is for anything , each tool is good for a specific solution for a specific problem |
| 10:58.41 | shtrb | maybe you even need Qubes , we do not know what you actually need |
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| 10:59.43 | petn-randall | ralpheeee: How about your close that bug report, and start over? |
| 11:00.05 | petn-randall | Li: What do you want to hide from whom? Depending on that answer there might be a solution, or not. |
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| 11:07.15 | Li | petn-randall: hide what? I'm trying to make sure not trusted applications will not access data files |
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| 11:07.57 | Li | for example now I tried firejail gedit, the later is able to open/save files on the system |
| 11:08.06 | petn-randall | Li: So you want to run untrusted code. As root? Or unprivileged user? |
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| 11:08.47 | petn-randall | "and just disapear as if it was not installed once closed?" sounded like you want to hide it from someone. |
| 11:08.48 | Li | unprivileged user of course, however I'm still not sure it won't access any files |
| 11:09.00 | shtrb | LI in that case Qubes |
| 11:09.02 | petn-randall | Li: apparmor or selinux could do that. |
| 11:09.20 | petn-randall | Qubes uses Xen virtualization, and Li doesn't want that. |
| 11:09.22 | shtrb | with firejail you can use --private and set a home folder |
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| 11:10.02 | shtrb | he said he needs to run untusted code , Qubes is the only one I can think that would give him any "safe by default" separation |
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| 11:11.42 | shtrb | Li: to avoid any data leakage firejail may not be good enough , chroot may provide you something more isolated (so as a vm) |
| 11:12.14 | shtrb | firejail can provide X11 isolation (via the -x11 argument ) but it still copy host folders even in private mode |
| 11:16.55 | Li | yes shtrb , I've tested both --private and --private-home switches and was able to save new text file to /tmp |
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| 11:17.41 | Li | what I want is complete separation from filesystem .. can you give anything linke to read about How to use chroot in such "above mentioned" manner? |
| 11:17.54 | petn-randall | Li: Is it a GUI program? |
| 11:18.27 | Li | petn-randall: both indeed |
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| 11:18.41 | shtrb | ,v shroot |
| 11:18.42 | judd | No package named 'shroot' was found in amd64. |
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| 11:26.54 | Fox | ,v schroot |
| 11:26.55 | judd | Package: schroot on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.6.4-4; jessie: 1.6.10-1+b1; jessie-backports: 1.6.10-3~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.6.10-3+deb9u1; buster: 1.6.10-5; sid: 1.6.10-6 |
| 11:27.29 | petn-randall | Li: Is it a program you don't trust, or do you expect even expect it to be actively malicious? |
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| 11:27.55 | shtrb | thanks Fox, Li take a look also at schroot |
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| 11:28.07 | shtrb | https://debian-administration.org/article/566/schroot_-_chroot_for_any_users |
| 11:28.16 | shtrb | slightly outdats but you get the idea |
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| 11:28.50 | shtrb | it will not prevent X11 manipulation (*) |
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| 11:32.35 | glaucom | hi all good morning |
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| 11:53.26 | tsglove | o/ glaucom |
| 11:53.28 | tsglove | he left |
| 11:53.29 | tsglove | =\ |
| 11:53.37 | tsglove | morning o/ to all others then!! |
| 11:53.41 | SpeedyG | afternoon ;) |
| 11:53.56 | tsglove | Afternoon SpeedyG !! =) |
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| 12:43.04 | AMartin | Hi all |
| 12:43.10 | Syndrom | hi |
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| 13:15.22 | eto | hello |
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| 13:15.37 | eto | what is needed to get package into debian? |
| 13:19.41 | Fox | what do you want to do exactly ? |
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| 13:24.34 | glaucom | hi all |
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| 13:25.23 | Syndrom | hi glaucom |
| 13:26.31 | glaucom | what is best editor for theme css organized, for gtk and shell themes ? |
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| 13:30.33 | noodlepie | Hiya guys! What's cooking here? --> W: Download is performed unsandboxed as root as file '/var/cache/apt/archives/partial/breeze-icon-theme_4%3a5.51.0-1_all.deb' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission denied) |
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| 13:48.48 | glaucom | ? |
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| 13:53.40 | Zta77 | I've been using Ubuntu for the past 8 years or so, but since the Unity desktop environment has been scratched, and since I find my laptop getting slower for each update, I think it's time to move back to Debian and make a new home here. |
| 13:53.46 | Zta77 | But what flavor should I settle for? I'd like a stable system, of course, but also the latest Firefox, Inkscape, LibreOffice, etc. Is 'stable' + specific repositories to these apps the best solution? |
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| 13:56.35 | shtrb | I'm getting slow "painting" in grub (like 8 bit mario style) (bios is selected on discrete mode) |
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| 13:58.43 | spectralthief | hey |
| 13:58.51 | spectralthief | my /var/log was nearly 6GB |
| 13:59.04 | spectralthief | I used /etc/cron.daily/logrotate then removed all the .1 files |
| 13:59.08 | spectralthief | now it's down to 2GB |
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| 13:59.15 | spectralthief | but that still seems like a lot to me |
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| 13:59.40 | shtrb | that's too much check why it is so big |
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| 14:00.23 | spectralthief | both kern.log and debut.log are 1.3GB big |
| 14:00.36 | spectralthief | everything else is much smaller |
| 14:00.47 | JustASlacker | kern.log with > 1GB sounds like trouble :) |
| 14:01.01 | spectralthief | well |
| 14:01.02 | spectralthief | yeah |
| 14:01.08 | spectralthief | I can guess why actuallt |
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| 14:01.24 | spectralthief | I'm on surface so I installed the linux-surface kernel |
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| 14:01.38 | spectralthief | several times, due to config problems |
| 14:01.59 | spectralthief | now it's fixed (I guess) but I have three non-fatal errors on each startup |
| 14:02.00 | JustASlacker | Zta: Im happy with mint xfce |
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| 14:02.17 | JustASlacker | actually, Im probably happy with whatever and xfce |
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| 14:03.02 | spectralthief | first one is something like "INT344B:00: failed to get interrupt number" |
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| 14:04.33 | spectralthief | oh, the driver's name is "pcspkr", the speaker one |
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| 14:11.06 | spectralthief | hmm, what can I do about kern.log and debug.log |
| 14:12.09 | greycat | you can ignore them, or you can read them, or you can modify them, or you can compose sonnets about them, ... |
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| 14:15.25 | JustASlacker | rm /var/log/kern.log && systemctrl restart rsyslog |
| 14:15.34 | JustASlacker | err systemctl |
| 14:15.49 | greycat | I'm counting that under "modify". |
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| 14:16.08 | Fox | why always rm when we can just > |
| 14:16.08 | JustASlacker | modify... TO DEATH |
| 14:16.17 | greycat | Fox: ignorance, usually |
| 14:16.21 | Fox | sure |
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| 14:37.02 | RNM | Hi guys, I freshly formated my PC with linux. I downloaded Java JDK (tar.gz file). extract to /opt/java/jdk8 and use "alternatives" from /sbin/ to map java and javac to /opt/java/jdk8/ . load eclipse and I notice it compile my java and run launcher (run my code) are so slow. Anyone experiece something like this? |
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| 14:37.52 | JustASlacker | maybe try #java ? |
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| 14:45.23 | Fox | RNM: are you talking about Oragle java jdk or openjdk ? |
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| 14:46.33 | RNM | oracle java |
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| 14:52.09 | pistache | anyone knows how to debug a laptop that fails to suspend (stays stuck in suspending state) ? |
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| 14:52.30 | pistache | it is a Thinkpad x230, with stock BIOS (latest), running Debian GNU/Linux sid |
| 14:52.52 | annadane | !debian-next |
| 14:52.52 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 14:53.25 | pistache | oh right, I'll go there, sorry for the noise. |
| 14:55.08 | darxmurf | is there something specific to do in smb.conf to "enable" shadow copy ? I added all the conf lines but still nothing in the snapshot folder |
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| 15:00.59 | spectralthief | hey |
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| 15:02.10 | d3b14nL0v3r | Hello! Please, how do I install "wl" driver? |
| 15:02.31 | spectralthief | I'm using a linux-surface kernel (and so an unstable kernel), and I was recommended to add the "sid" repo because that would fix some of my issues |
| 15:02.47 | spectralthief | it did solves many of my problems, but now some apps look terrible |
| 15:02.50 | spectralthief | see e.g. https://imgur.com/a/eEGie07 |
| 15:02.50 | JustASlacker | why get a surface if you want to put linux on it |
| 15:03.10 | spectralthief | I didn't choose a surface |
| 15:03.44 | spectralthief | it was my father's pc for work but now they have new ones and I got the Surface that's useless now |
| 15:03.46 | greycat | JustASlacker: my first guess is "to see if I can" |
| 15:04.06 | annadane | "adding a sid repo" - mixing stable and sid - will result in a frankendebian... if you want to use sid, upgrade the whole system to it (and mind the caveats about needing to deal with breakage) |
| 15:04.13 | spectralthief | I had more issues with the Windows on it that I had with debian so far, it's still worth it |
| 15:04.19 | JustASlacker | really? |
| 15:04.24 | JustASlacker | thats suprising |
| 15:04.35 | spectralthief | how do I upgrade the system to sid? |
| 15:04.36 | petn-randall | d3b14nL0v3r: No "wl" driver exists. It might help explaining what you're trying to achieve. |
| 15:04.46 | petn-randall | spectralthief: If you have to ask, the answer is usually "no". |
| 15:04.51 | JustASlacker | or was the issue "hey, this is windows!" |
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| 15:05.44 | petn-randall | spectralthief: If you need a newer kernel, get one from stretch-backports. |
| 15:05.56 | petn-randall | !stretch-backports |
| 15:05.56 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Buster (Debian 10) but recompiled for use with Stretch (Debian 9) can be found in the stretch-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>. |
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| 15:18.23 | darxmurf | !ping |
| 15:18.23 | dpkg | Yes, darxmurf you are either online or you are not... http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20000326 |
| 15:18.41 | darxmurf | interesting Oo |
| 15:18.56 | darxmurf | it looks like half of the network is down here but IRC is still working Oo |
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| 15:24.57 | d3b14nL0v3r | petn-randall: I'm trying to get wifi to see 5G. "bcma" is not doing its job, so I'd rather try other driver. My machine is an old 2011 MacBook Pro and the device is a Broadcom Limited BCM4331 802.11a/b/g/n (rev 02). |
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| 15:26.33 | petn-randall | d3b14nL0v3r: Do you have firmware installed? |
| 15:26.37 | petn-randall | That's likely the issue. |
| 15:26.41 | d3b14nL0v3r | petn-randall: I saw the Ubuntu community has a Broadcom proprietary driver they call "wl". |
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| 15:26.53 | greycat | !wl |
| 15:26.53 | dpkg | Broadcom's proprietary wireless LAN driver (wl, aka broadcom-sta) supports devices based on the Broadcom BCM4311, BCM4312, BCM4313, BCM4321, BCM4322, BCM43224, BCM43225, BCM43227, BCM43228, BCM43142, BCM4331, BCM4352 and BCM4360 chips. To install (amd64 and i386 only), see https://wiki.debian.org/wl . Most of these chips are also supported by the open source <b43> and <brcmsmac> drivers. |
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| 15:31.17 | darxmurf | broadcom wifi is serious crap :-/ |
| 15:31.36 | nemo | yeeeep |
| 15:31.38 | RoyK | darxmurf++ |
| 15:32.09 | nemo | does anyone have a suggestion for a well-maintained sans-serif font that is standard in debian with good emoji support? |
| 15:32.22 | darxmurf | I had one and for any obscure reasons it was not able to connect on some access points Oo |
| 15:32.24 | nemo | I was considering changing the Hedgewars font and our debian maintainer had asked us to try and use a common debian one |
| 15:32.32 | darxmurf | tried windows, linux and all possible drivers |
| 15:32.34 | nemo | since he strips out our bundled ones to use package ones instead |
| 15:32.43 | darxmurf | finally I replaced the card in the laptop with an intel one |
| 15:33.07 | darxmurf | huuu, time to leave, see you tomorrow |
| 15:33.12 | RoyK | darxmurf: did you try a firmware update first? |
| 15:33.24 | darxmurf | it was a few years ago |
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| 15:33.33 | darxmurf | HP mini business laptop |
| 15:33.38 | darxmurf | I tried more-less everything |
| 15:33.44 | darxmurf | it was in 2010 |
| 15:33.49 | darxmurf | this laptop is dead since :D |
| 15:33.54 | RoyK | hehe |
| 15:34.00 | RoyK | intel generally works, though |
| 15:34.04 | darxmurf | voilà |
| 15:34.30 | darxmurf | but those a*hole at HP had a kind of "safety check" in the bios |
| 15:34.35 | RoyK | except on some laptops, like HP, that requires "authorized hardware" |
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| 15:34.41 | darxmurf | blocking non knowns cards |
| 15:34.46 | RoyK | *touché* |
| 15:35.05 | darxmurf | by chance it accepted the intel card I installed in |
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| 15:35.13 | darxmurf | *coulé* |
| 15:35.30 | d3b14nL0v3r | Ok, people: I just followed the procedure in the page cited by <dpkg> above, but when I reach item 3, I get this error: "modprobe -r b44 b43 b43legacy ssb brcmsmac bcma modprobe: ERROR: ../libkmod/libkmod-module.c:793 kmod_module_remove_module() could not remove 'b43': Device or resource busy modprobe: FATAL: Module ssb is in use." |
| 15:35.38 | darxmurf | beer time :-) see you ! |
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| 15:38.20 | petn-randall | d3b14nL0v3r: I'd seriously try installing firmware with the FOSS drivers first before testing wl. |
| 15:38.35 | petn-randall | d3b14nL0v3r: It can't be removed because you're still using the wifi. |
| 15:39.28 | petn-randall | d3b14nL0v3r: Can you provide us with the output of 'lspci -nn' on https://paste.debian.net? |
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| 15:42.06 | d3b14nL0v3r | petn-randall: I tried the package "firmware-b43-installer", but it didn't change this behaviour. How do I seriously disable wifi so to free the drivers? I'll paste the code in a sec. |
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| 15:45.06 | d3b14nL0v3r | https://paste.debian.net/1050938/ |
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| 15:47.22 | petn-randall | d3b14nL0v3r: Did installation succeed? Did you you reboot afterwards? |
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| 15:48.21 | JustASlacker | you could try rmmod --force :D |
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| 15:51.04 | petn-randall | d3b14nL0v3r: according to the wiki it should work after extracting the firmware. |
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| 15:54.12 | d3b14nL0v3r | petn-randall: I tried that package a long ago. In fact, it woks, but doesn't give 5G capability. I'd like to try "wl" driver now. How do I free the drivers in use? Is there a command to turn off wifi usage of them all? |
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| 15:55.49 | Fox | d3b14nL0v3r: shutdown the interface ? |
| 15:56.04 | petn-randall | d3b14nL0v3r: You'd have to turn off the wifi somehow, I don't know if your laptop has buttons for that. |
| 15:56.35 | annadane | ifdown? |
| 15:56.37 | annadane | shrugs |
| 15:56.55 | greycat | blacklist the driver and reboot? |
| 15:57.41 | d3b14nL0v3r | greycat: How do I blacklist a driver? |
| 15:58.29 | greycat | !blacklist |
| 15:58.29 | dpkg | To blacklist a Linux kernel module, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
| 15:58.49 | petn-randall | Eh, greycat was quicker :) |
| 15:59.20 | annadane | one day i'll be smart like everyone else |
| 15:59.30 | annadane | ...maybe |
| 16:00.51 | d3b14nL0v3r | annadane: the interface isn't showing on ifconfig anymore, for some reason, perhaps it's already down. |
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| 16:13.25 | gdeverlant | greetings all |
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| 16:13.30 | gdeverlant | I have a problem |
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| 16:14.34 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 16:14.34 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 16:14.55 | gdeverlant | I'm trying to run a script which is downloading files to install something |
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| 16:15.17 | gdeverlant | the problem is that curl is not able to download a file in my other computer on the same network |
| 16:15.35 | gdeverlant | but when i try to download the file via the browser with the same link it works |
| 16:15.45 | gdeverlant | the 2 machines can ping each other |
| 16:15.47 | jelly-home | showing the actual command line and output might help |
| 16:15.51 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 16:15.52 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net or https://0bin.net/ | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 16:16.02 | gdeverlant | ok |
| 16:16.05 | gdeverlant | wait |
| 16:16.46 | jelly | !localized errors |
| 16:16.46 | dpkg | To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install". |
| 16:17.33 | gdeverlant | http://paste.debian.net/1050946/ |
| 16:18.46 | gdeverlant | when i pass the link http://bambuserver1:3000/ergu/local-persist/releases/download/v1.3.1/local-persist-linux-arm32 |
| 16:18.55 | gdeverlant | it downloads the file from my laptop |
| 16:19.05 | gdeverlant | all machines are on same network |
| 16:19.11 | greycat | bambuserver1:3000 is not a fully qualified domain name, so it's being resolved by whatever conventions your local network uses |
| 16:19.24 | gdeverlant | well ping works |
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| 16:19.58 | jelly | care to show the curl command line, I can't tell what the script really does? |
| 16:20.20 | greycat | Since docker is apparently involved, you'd need to know all of the layers too. |
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| 16:21.08 | gdeverlant | http://paste.debian.net/1050947/ |
| 16:21.21 | jelly | gdeverlant: does "bambuserver1" resolve to the same IP address for curl and for your browser? |
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| 16:21.45 | gdeverlant | well ping shows that |
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| 16:22.19 | jelly | gdeverlant: does "telnet bambuserver1 3000" in the same shell as your script connect? |
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| 16:22.56 | petn-randall | Note that the output and the script don't match ... |
| 16:23.24 | petn-randall | gdeverlant: It would be great if you could show us the script and the output of the same run. |
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| 16:23.53 | gdeverlant | pirate@bambuserver2:~/local-persist/scripts$ sudo ./install.sh |
| 16:23.53 | gdeverlant | Stopping docker-volume-local-persist service if running |
| 16:23.53 | gdeverlant | Failed to stop docker-volume-local-persist.service: Unit docker-volume-local-persist.service not loaded. |
| 16:23.53 | gdeverlant | Downloading binary: |
| 16:23.53 | gdeverlant | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.53 | gdeverlant | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.53 | gdeverlant | curl: (22) The requested URL returned error: 404 Not Found |
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| 16:24.10 | gdeverlant | sorry for the kick |
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| 16:24.47 | jelly | 404 is not the same thing as connection refused |
| 16:24.59 | gdeverlant | well if I copy past the url |
| 16:25.01 | petn-randall | gdeverlant: Use a paste site. I'm asking because your script does not contain "bambusserver1", which is why it makes debugging impossible for use. |
| 16:25.05 | gdeverlant | in browser then i download the file |
| 16:25.36 | gdeverlant | well i changed it locally |
| 16:25.48 | greycat | *plonk* |
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| 16:26.07 | gdeverlant | in my local file it is with bambuserver1 |
| 16:26.19 | gdeverlant | that script is a general purpose |
| 16:26.26 | jelly | gdeverlant: how can we help you if you show errors from one script and lines from a different one |
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| 16:26.37 | petn-randall | this ^ |
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| 16:26.51 | petn-randall | polishes crystal ball. |
| 16:26.57 | gdeverlant | sorry i will do the right one |
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| 16:27.31 | gdeverlant | http://paste.debian.net/1050949/ |
| 16:27.35 | gdeverlant | that'S the one i have |
| 16:27.37 | jelly | gdeverlant: run "sudo bash -x ./install.sh" and pastebin the output of that |
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| 16:28.12 | jelly | I'm not goint to manually decipher ode paths your script might have taken |
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| 16:28.15 | gdeverlant | http://paste.debian.net/1050950/ |
| 16:28.20 | jelly | gdeverlant: which debian release is this? |
| 16:28.35 | gdeverlant | it is armbian for odroid c1 mainline kernel 4.18.8 |
| 16:29.05 | jelly | !armbian |
| 16:29.05 | dpkg | Armbian is a project that has pre-compiled custom Debian and Ubuntu installer images for <ARM> boards, and a small package repository with kernels, drivers, and utilities which are supported in #armbian. It is not a complete distribution, and uses unmodified Debian or Ubuntu official package repos. General end-user support for the Debian image installations: #debian, kernel/hw/installer/building questions: #armbian. |
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| 16:29.51 | gdeverlant | https://www.armbian.com/odroid-c1/#kernels-archive |
| 16:29.56 | gdeverlant | Armbian Bionic |
| 16:30.07 | jelly | gdeverlant: figure out why "curl -fLsS http://bambuserver1:3000/ergu/local-persist/releases/download/v1.3.1/local-persist-linux-arm32" returns 404 not found. |
| 16:30.29 | petn-randall | Ah, not even based on Debian ... |
| 16:30.57 | jelly | I'd punt them over to #ubuntu but that would just be cruel |
| 16:31.14 | gdeverlant | What is Armbian? |
| 16:31.14 | gdeverlant | Lightweight Debian or Ubuntu based distribution specialized for ARM developing boards. Compiled from scratch, |
| 16:31.14 | greycat | Oh, it's a 404 now? It was a connection refused in his initial paste. |
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| 16:31.25 | gdeverlant | It has powerful build and software development tools, |
| 16:31.25 | gdeverlant | A vibrant community. |
| 16:31.37 | jelly | not this community tho |
| 16:31.47 | jelly | possibly the #armbian channel |
| 16:32.15 | gdeverlant | pinging each machine works |
| 16:32.20 | gdeverlant | from each other |
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| 16:32.25 | petn-randall | irrelevant |
| 16:32.41 | jelly | gdeverlant: which machine and OS are you running your browser on? |
| 16:32.42 | petn-randall | Well, that curl calls shows that the network works. |
| 16:32.52 | gdeverlant | windows 10 pc |
| 16:32.59 | gdeverlant | iridium browser |
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| 16:33.24 | gdeverlant | the 2 other machines are arm boards |
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| 16:33.43 | jelly | gdeverlant: if you "ping bambuserver1" on the windows machine and on the armbian system, does it show the same IP adddress and which IP does it show? |
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| 16:34.29 | gdeverlant | [192.168.1.3] with 32 bytes of data: |
| 16:34.29 | gdeverlant | Reply from 192.168.1.3: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64 |
| 16:34.36 | gdeverlant | [192.168.1.3] with 32 bytes of data: |
| 16:34.36 | gdeverlant | Reply from 192.168.1.3: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64 |
| 16:35.10 | jelly | gdeverlant: and if you open http://192.168.13:3000/ergu/local-persist/releases/download/v1.3.1/local-persist-linux-arm32 on the windows machine, does that download a file or does it 404? |
| 16:35.16 | petn-randall | Cool, a browser with half a year worth of security holes ... |
| 16:35.26 | jelly | oops |
| 16:35.35 | jelly | make that http://192.168.1.3:3000/ergu/local-persist/releases/download/v1.3.1/local-persist-linux-arm32 |
| 16:35.36 | gdeverlant | get a error 404 |
| 16:35.39 | LambdaComplex | i'm trying to install debian using the netinst iso found here https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/9.5.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 16:35.52 | jelly | gdeverlant: so it does not work from the windows machine either? |
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| 16:35.59 | LambdaComplex | i'm getting an errror saying no kernel modules were found, probably due to a mismatch between the kernel used by this version of the installer and the kernel version available in the archive |
| 16:36.00 | gdeverlant | well it looks like |
| 16:36.05 | gdeverlant | the name works but not the ip |
| 16:36.25 | LambdaComplex | did i do something horribly wrong at some point? or is the installer image screwed up somehow? or...? |
| 16:36.30 | petn-randall | LambdaComplex: How did you prepare the installation medium? |
| 16:36.44 | LambdaComplex | petn-randall: dd'd the .iso file to a usb drive |
| 16:36.50 | jelly | gdeverlant: quit and reopen the browser and try http://bambuserver1:3000/ergu/local-persist/releases/download/v1.3.1/local-persist-linux-arm32 again |
| 16:37.14 | jelly | not just close window, quit it completely (and hope that clears up its dnscache) |
| 16:37.30 | gdeverlant | just tried on internet explorer |
| 16:37.38 | gdeverlant | and it shows error 404 |
| 16:37.59 | petn-randall | gdeverlant: So it's an error completely unrelated to the script, or even Debian. |
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| 16:38.16 | jelly | gdeverlant: browsers sometimes cache old dns records and web pages on their own |
| 16:38.31 | LambdaComplex | petn-randall: and i checked the file checksum; it's correct |
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| 16:39.42 | LambdaComplex | any suggestions? |
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| 16:40.03 | gdeverlant | ok |
| 16:40.07 | gdeverlant | the repo was private |
| 16:40.34 | gdeverlant | lol |
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| 16:40.51 | gdeverlant | the script is installed |
| 16:40.55 | gdeverlant | im so dumb |
| 16:41.06 | gdeverlant | you guys enlightened me |
| 16:41.17 | gdeverlant | it works thanx |
| 16:41.33 | jelly | gdeverlant: you're welcome, I guess! |
| 16:41.41 | gdeverlant | well yeah |
| 16:41.54 | gdeverlant | one i thought about that it was nothing related to os |
| 16:42.00 | gdeverlant | it was just access |
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| 16:42.45 | jelly | LambdaComplex: worked for me on a HPE Proliant Gen10 a week ago |
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| 16:43.41 | jelly | LambdaComplex: can you restart in expert mode and see at which step exactly the issue happens? |
| 16:44.10 | jelly | LambdaComplex: or switch to Ctrl-Alt-F3 or was it F4, where the logs are, see what's there |
| 16:45.06 | LambdaComplex | "no packages matching running kernel 4.9.0-7-amd64 in archive" |
| 16:45.10 | LambdaComplex | that looks relevant |
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| 16:45.31 | WiseMonk | Hello |
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| 16:46.04 | petn-randall | ,v linux-image-4.9.0-7-amd64 |
| 16:46.05 | judd | Package: linux-image-4.9.0-7-amd64 on amd64 -- stretch: 4.9.110-1; stretch-proposed-updates: 4.9.110-3+deb9u2; stretch-security: 4.9.110-3+deb9u2 |
| 16:46.16 | petn-randall | LambdaComplex: There actually is, though. ^^^ |
| 16:46.50 | WiseMonk | I installed snap (apt install snapd), ran it once as root. (i dont know if thats the reason but) now I cant run it as normal user i get "error: access denied (try with sudo)". how can I fix this? |
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| 16:47.23 | LambdaComplex | petn-randall: so why is the installer screwing up? D: |
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| 16:47.46 | annadane | WiseMonk, probably depends on what the actual command is you're running - i'm not familiar with snap but it's entirely possible some stuff needs root |
| 16:48.00 | jhutchins_wk | ,kernels |
| 16:48.01 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.19.0-rc7-686-pae (4.19~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.18.0-2-686-pae (4.18.10-2+b1); buster: 4.18.0-2-686-pae (4.18.10-2+b1); stretch-backports: 4.18.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.18.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u6); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae |
| 16:48.02 | judd | (4.9.110-3+deb9u5~deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1) |
| 16:48.30 | annadane | though you said "ran it" which i guess is a simple invocation of "snapd" or whatever it uses to call it |
| 16:48.56 | WiseMonk | I wanted to instrall league of legends, but when I tried it as root, it didnt get installed correctly |
| 16:49.00 | LambdaComplex | i'm gonna try rebooting the installer. i don't expect it to do any good but i don't have any better guesses :D |
| 16:49.07 | LambdaComplex | and if that still fails i'll probably try a different iso |
| 16:49.15 | WiseMonk | and the tutorial told to install as a user |
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| 16:52.50 | annadane | i don't know much about snap. but i doubt running it as root once would make it suddenly unable to run as user. i guess it depends on specifically what command you used with root |
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| 16:53.40 | annadane | i would maaaaybe ask official snap support, if they have an irc channel... you might get better replies, not that it's wrong to ask here though |
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| 16:55.53 | jhutchins_wk | LambdaComplex: Have you read the release notes? |
| 16:57.04 | LambdaComplex | jhutchins_wk: probably not |
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| 16:59.34 | LambdaComplex | jhutchins_wk: is there something in there that says "broke the installer by _______?" |
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| 17:14.58 | jhutchins_wk | Not that I know of, it's just good to get a mental picture of the process before you start. |
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| 17:15.40 | jhutchins_wk | LambdaComplex: This is not something we see regularly, so I wouldn't expect it to be a problem with the installer itself. |
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| 17:43.17 | JordiGH | Why are deb files two tar files inside of an ar file? Why not use tar for both? |
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| 17:43.44 | pzn | How can I login via ssh remotely, and get the server X current screen/resolution configuration? Need to debug some local screen resolution problem, but I'm current remotely |
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| 17:44.26 | eto | pzn: identify display X is running then export it into environment then use X command you want |
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| 17:44.53 | greycat | pzn: step 1: phone the user sitting at the console and ask what the DISPLAY variable is. 2) set that variable. 3) be the same user as the one authorized to use the X console, either by su or setuidgid or sudo or whatever. |
| 17:45.02 | eto | pzn: usually something like `export DISPLAY=':0.0'; xrandr` |
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| 17:45.57 | eto | greycat: why must they be given user? |
| 17:46.15 | eto | greycat: ah it might refuse connection? |
| 17:46.17 | greycat | well, if you feel like doing the xauth dance, go ahead |
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| 17:46.51 | greycat | if you happen to be root, you might be able to get away with something like export XAUTHORITY=/home/yourvictim/.Xauthority |
| 17:46.52 | eto | greycat: yes i see the point now = as i usually debug problem of my own user i forgot |
| 17:47.28 | greycat | but that only works because presumably root can read the victim's files from their home dir... which in turn will NOT work if their home dir is NFS-mounted ... which in turn MAY work if it's NFS-mounted with norootsquash |
| 17:47.40 | eto | roger |
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| 17:48.23 | pzn | greycat, eto: this debian is kind of "ATM machine", no user near it to phone to, but I know which system user X runs as, and DISPLAY:0.0 xrandr solved my needs. Thanks! |
| 17:49.26 | pzn | greycat, nice to know all this details about x auth, nfs, norootsquash! |
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| 17:51.07 | eto | greycat: btw copying users .Xauthority over to your home (given you are not using X at the same time) and reowning it should do the trick too right? |
| 17:51.17 | greycat | probably |
| 17:51.20 | eto | ty |
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| 17:52.05 | greycat | dpkg mit-magic-cookie export |
| 17:52.05 | dpkg | You can export your <mit-magic-cookie> to allow another user to run applications on your display by doing one (but not both) of: 'su user_running_x -c "xauth extract - $DISPLAY" | xauth merge -' or 'export XAUTHORITY=/home/<USER_RUNNING_X>/.Xauthority'. For other approaches, ask me about <root x>. |
| 17:52.11 | greycat | That's the xauth dance version. I've never used it. |
| 17:52.30 | greycat | I have used the export XAUTHORITY version, but usually it was on HP-UX. |
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| 17:55.39 | mason | window move 41 |
| 17:55.52 | mason | with a slash |
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| 17:56.19 | eto | greycat: ty! |
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| 18:00.41 | jhutchins_wk | pzn: You can parse it from /var/log/Xorg.0.log - it's very noisy, but the info should be there. |
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| 18:21.20 | pzn | To set a screen resolution remotely via ssh (I'm not on X locally), what should I do? ssh user@machine "DISPLAY=:0.0 whichcommand?" |
| 18:21.38 | greycat | whatever you would run if you were local. probably xrandr. |
| 18:21.45 | mason | pzn: xrandr is a good tool, or set things via xorg.conf |
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| 18:24.22 | RoyK | pzn: do you want to change the resolution on the local terminal? |
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| 18:27.35 | at0m | i quite often need to change monitor setup on one machine, and was too lazy for xrandr. then i found out about arandr, an xrandr frontend that generates scripts using xrandr. saved my day(s). |
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| 18:29.10 | antto | Dear Santa, pls, ezrandr |
| 18:29.26 | antto | ezrndr -pls -makeitwork -pls -pls |
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| 18:30.30 | pistache | at0m: do you know about autorandr ? |
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| 18:30.54 | at0m | pistache: i dont |
| 18:31.45 | pistache | at0m: it's pretty nice, and allows to automatically change the screen layout using udev hotplug rules |
| 18:31.57 | pzn | reading xrandr manpages :-) It will solve my needs |
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| 18:32.16 | pistache | I can change my screen layout using "autorandr -c <layout_name>" |
| 18:32.17 | at0m | pistache: thanks, did apt show autorandr, looks neat indeed |
| 18:33.01 | at0m | pistache: i have a couple scripts done with arandr, which do practically the same |
| 18:33.01 | pistache | it's very useful with a dock |
| 18:33.11 | pistache | that's what I had before too :p |
| 18:33.46 | at0m | pistache: i guess the udev rules make manual script execution a thing from the past |
| 18:33.46 | pistache | but I prefer autorandr's terminal interface, that allows me to easily save the current configuration |
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| 18:34.34 | pistache | autorandr also has nice "virtual configurations" |
| 18:34.44 | pistache | off/common/clone-largest/horizontal/vertical |
| 18:35.06 | at0m | :) |
| 18:35.19 | at0m | i'll give it a try some time |
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| 19:03.37 | Phizzy | W: Download is performed unsandboxed as root as file '/var/cache/apt/archives/partial/geoip-database_20181108-1_all.deb' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission denied) |
| 19:03.37 | Phizzy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.17 | jelly | Phizzy, which debian release is that? |
| 19:04.42 | greycat | ,v geoip-database |
| 19:04.43 | judd | Package: geoip-database on amd64 -- wheezy: 20130213-1; jessie: 20150317-1; jessie-backports: 20170512-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 20170512-1; jessie-backports-sloppy: 20171107-1~bpo8+1; stretch-backports: 20180215-1~bpo9+1; buster: 20180315-1; sid: 20181108-1 |
| 19:04.47 | Phizzy | unstable main |
| 19:04.57 | greycat | judd agrees |
| 19:05.01 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 19:05.01 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 19:05.41 | jelly | check the BTS for existing issues in your apt version |
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| 19:08.26 | joepublic | debian stable is really, really stable. thus, debian unstable is: _______ . |
| 19:09.22 | jelly | full of fresh bugs |
| 19:10.33 | greycat | My initial reaction on seeing Phizzy's question was "Hey, is synaptic broken AGAIN?" |
| 19:11.18 | joepublic | of course the truly adventurous with a taste for broken stuff could always work to keep up with experimental also. |
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| 21:18.52 | tmroland | is kde 5.14 in sid or 5.13? |
| 21:20.35 | greycat | If you can figure out the package name that would have the "kde version number" (whatever that means), you could look it up and see. |
| 21:20.43 | greycat | ,v plasma-framework |
| 21:20.44 | judd | Package: plasma-framework on amd64 -- stretch: 5.28.0-2; buster: 5.49.0-1; sid: 5.51.0-1 |
| 21:21.23 | jelly | tmroland, https://qt-kde-team.pages.debian.net/ |
| 21:22.34 | tmroland | still cant figure it out |
| 21:22.41 | tmroland | gues ill try updating to sid |
| 21:22.43 | tmroland | and see if theres anyhting |
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| 21:22.55 | jelly | there is no "kde version" any more |
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| 21:24.00 | greycat | The plasma-framework version number seems somewhat important, as far as I can tell. |
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| 21:24.04 | jelly | there's kde apps, and plasma, and kde framework whatever that is |
| 21:24.59 | tmroland | plasma 5.14 then |
| 21:25.03 | tmroland | is what i meant |
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| 21:25.24 | greycat | which package is that? |
| 21:25.25 | joepublic | There used to be something called the "K Desktop Environment" but that made too much sense so now there isn't. |
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| 21:25.45 | jelly | ,v plasma-desktop |
| 21:25.46 | judd | Package: plasma-desktop on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.8.4-6; jessie: 4:4.11.13-2; stretch: 4:5.8.6-1; buster: 4:5.13.5-1+b1; sid: 4:5.13.5-1+b1 |
| 21:26.00 | jelly | 5.13.5 does not sound like 5.14, so no |
| 21:26.39 | greycat | !install kde |
| 21:26.39 | dpkg | The 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "KDE" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue". |
| 21:26.53 | greycat | wonders how wrong that one is |
| 21:27.17 | jelly | those metapackages probably still exist |
| 21:27.34 | jelly | even if KDE 4 isn't a thing |
| 21:28.18 | tmroland | yea |
| 21:28.20 | tmroland | seems not |
| 21:28.24 | tmroland | anyway |
| 21:28.26 | tmroland | gnome ftw for me |
| 21:29.03 | spackle259 | tmroland: been using gnome for past 6 months till about a week started trying kde |
| 21:29.15 | spackle259 | tmroland: its actually pretty cool..(lightweight) |
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| 21:29.24 | tmroland | im trying it in boxes now |
| 21:29.27 | tmroland | on a buster vm |
| 21:29.30 | tmroland | seems nice |
| 21:29.39 | tmroland | but when i look back at my gnome 3.30.2 on sid i like it more |
| 21:29.57 | joepublic | I tried lxqt thinking that sounded like a "kde light"; even though it isn't exactly, I liked it enough to keep using it. |
| 21:29.58 | tmroland | maybe cause i customized it way i like it |
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| 22:08.02 | annadane | do flatpaks have their own configuration files in their own seperate places so they don't interfere with dot files in the home directory? |
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| 22:11.56 | annadane | well |
| 22:12.01 | annadane | i guess i've installed them system-wide |
| 22:12.11 | annadane | so yeah, i answered my own question |
| 22:12.18 | altendky | i'm running debian off a 256gb (m.2) ssd. i've got a 512 to swap in but i haven't done this with lvm before. can i just boot from something else, dd across, boot the new drive and use lvm to resize it up? or is the swap process different when using lvm. |
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| 22:21.19 | BCMM | jelly: the metapackages still exist, and they install Plasma 5/KF5 (even on stable) |
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| 22:48.11 | agio | has anyone else run into dependency problems when updating python-* packages published to stretch's security repo ? |
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| 22:49.06 | themill | no |
| 22:49.45 | joepublic | probably not on stable, anyway. |
| 22:51.10 | agio | im trying to learn about dependency "relationships" etc - but its very complex. I'm thinking of just leaving those packages at their current version, its not ideal for security |
| 22:51.21 | themill | !bat |
| 22:51.21 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 22:52.47 | agio | ok , I should be able to get that data |
| 22:53.35 | agio | question is: how can I list those packages which have pending newer versions available from security archive? |
| 22:53.45 | themill | why do you need to? |
| 22:54.16 | agio | to run `apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2 ' etc... |
| 22:54.20 | themill | (apt list --upgradable; but that's not needed for what dpkg asked for) |
| 22:54.30 | themill | you already know the problematic packages |
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| 22:54.58 | agio | they are in aptitude - not easy to copy them to a pastebin |
| 22:55.15 | agio | aptitude TUI I mean |
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| 22:56.22 | zerocool | hey dudes anyone know about nginx have a quick question |
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| 22:57.16 | Mathisen | zerocool, better to just ask the question directly |
| 22:57.16 | zerocool | basically if i use basic auth on location / but then want to allow specific sub-locations say /someplace/whatever.php open to intranet, is that possible? |
| 22:57.21 | zerocool | ^ |
| 22:58.34 | zerocool | so http://server/page.php would require auth but http://server/specific/page.php allows all in local network |
| 22:58.37 | agio | zerocool: should be - as the sub-location will be a higher "specificity" match |
| 22:59.19 | zerocool | ah, cool, that's kinda what i was hoping |
| 22:59.25 | zerocool | thanks agio i'll give it a go and see |
| 22:59.46 | agio | zerocool: I think priority is ^regex$, /longer/prefix, /prefix |
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| 23:00.30 | agio | zerocool: so you need to ensure your sublocations match + override you / auth location block |
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| 23:05.48 | agio | I wanted to list the problematic python packages, but now there are other unrelated packages listed as "upgradeable" |
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| 23:11.10 | jelly | altendky, it's not different if you do it that way, but if you connect both disks at the same time you can pvmove all the LVs online without downtime. |
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| 23:11.55 | jelly | altendky, and then only /boot (and /boot/efi if you do UEFI boot) and boot loader setup remain |
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| 23:14.52 | altendky | jelly: does that get the mbr? Or have to grub after that? |
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| 23:16.26 | jelly | altendky, pvmove only deals with LVM |
| 23:17.58 | jelly | on a single disk installation you'll typically have a boot loader, two or three partitions, one for /boot, one for /boot/efi on an UEFI system, one as a PV for LVM and evetything else (/, swap, ...) inside |
| 23:18.36 | jelly | adding a second PV to the LVM VG and using pvmove deals with migration of "everything else" |
| 23:19.37 | jelly | /boot and grub has to be dealt with separately on a BIOS booting disk. |
| 23:19.43 | SerajewelKS | making /boot and the LVM PV each single-disk raid1s isn't a bad idea either since you can then put them on every physical disk later, if you decide to go for a redundant setup |
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| 23:20.08 | SerajewelKS | with a raid1 /boot and / you can boot from either disk |
| 23:20.28 | jelly | I don't know what "single-disk raid1" can possibly mean |
| 23:20.48 | altendky | jelly: I'll probably just be lazy and dd. It's my laptop and being away from it a bit could be good. Simplest is best here I think. |
| 23:20.51 | SerajewelKS | an mdadm raid1 with a single active disk (degraded) |
| 23:21.23 | jelly | ah, an additional layer |
| 23:21.36 | SerajewelKS | it makes it easy to add redundancy later. as well as move your /boot around. |
| 23:21.48 | SerajewelKS | (LVM raid1 is still too iffy for me) |
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| 23:23.00 | SerajewelKS | my standard setup for new boxes now is: /boot in raid1, and / in LVM in LUKS in raid1 |
| 23:23.22 | jelly | altendky, with PV on a partition, you need to first extend the partition, then do a pvresize, then will have extra space in the VG visible |
| 23:23.24 | SerajewelKS | even if the luks keyfile is on /boot. if i want encryption later i just migrate to a passphrase. also if i want to wipe the disk for RMA i just shred the keyfile. |
| 23:23.53 | altendky | jelly: right, thanks |
| 23:24.37 | SerajewelKS | the overhead of each layer is negligible these days and it beats trying to e.g. add LUKS later, which you can't do online |
| 23:24.52 | jelly | well TECHNICALLY |
| 23:25.32 | jelly | nothing stops you from making a md raid1 with one member cleartext and one member luks |
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| 23:26.08 | SerajewelKS | except that raid1-in-luks has pitfalls compared to luks-in-raid1 |
| 23:26.16 | SerajewelKS | and then the second disk has to be slightly bigger to accomodate luks metadata |
| 23:26.31 | jelly | or the first disk slightly smaller. |
| 23:26.38 | SerajewelKS | same thing :) |
| 23:26.54 | jelly | it's not hard to shrink ext4 just a tiny bit |
| 23:27.08 | SerajewelKS | correct. but it's nice to be able to do things online. |
| 23:28.12 | jelly | your way is cleaner than any technically doable hack |
| 23:28.50 | jelly | so I'll refrain from mentioning other hacky options |
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| 23:35.15 | altendky | SerajewelKS: maybe twenty years ago... Now I just need a simple swap every few years where simple is defined by learning less. Sorry :| |
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| 23:45.57 | SerajewelKS | altendky: no it's fine, it's your system and not mine. i just like to give options. |
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| 23:47.00 | SerajewelKS | i don't care what you decide, i just want the decision to be informed |
| 23:47.43 | altendky | SerajewelKS: I appreciate it. I put my 'learning' time into python right now. If I did it more often I'd care more. And I might do the lvm stuff on my data drive when it gets upgraded at some point |
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