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| 00:24.53 | themill | Nuri: are you a synaptic user by any chance? |
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| 00:27.32 | Nuri | I get this error every time I log into the repository |
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| 00:31.06 | agio | jelly: you mentioned earlier about extending a partition to accomodate a PV resize. how would you extend the partitionn? you would need to alter the MBR right? |
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| 00:32.53 | agio | does the the phyisical partition resizing need to be performed in conjunction with the resize of the PV LVM inside it? |
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| 00:35.35 | scatterbrainz | anyone around that can help with a partitioning / space / install questions? |
| 00:36.04 | agio | just ask - you'll find out |
| 00:36.45 | scatterbrainz | i'm doing a debian 9.5 install, and I'm trying to figure out , what to put where, I have 120GB SSD, (2) x 500GB SSD's, and 4th 240GB SSD that could go in the box, but isn't currently. |
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| 00:38.06 | agio | do you want to encrypt your / ? |
| 00:38.26 | agio | + /swap + $HOME + everything else? |
| 00:38.38 | scatterbrainz | do I need to? |
| 00:39.01 | scatterbrainz | consider: this is going to be a web server with outside remote access. |
| 00:39.06 | scatterbrainz | also a development JS server |
| 00:39.07 | scatterbrainz | so |
| 00:39.19 | scatterbrainz | as well sql db testing server |
| 00:39.19 | scatterbrainz | so |
| 00:39.24 | scatterbrainz | how much space does all that take? |
| 00:39.25 | scatterbrainz | idk |
| 00:39.29 | scatterbrainz | i was gonna do |
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| 00:40.05 | agio | whoa, did you paste a bunch of stuff? |
| 00:40.14 | dvs | too |
| 00:40.15 | dvs | many |
| 00:40.17 | dvs | line in |
| 00:40.19 | dvs | a |
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| 00:40.38 | scatterbrainz | oops ... I was going to do 2GB for /boot, 32GB /swap = 32GB RAM installed, and 70GB for /root, then I was gonna put 2 x 500SSD's in raid, for /home / usr / svr ... |
| 00:40.59 | scatterbrainz | i type tooo fast too mahy line entries in a time, and it kicks you for flooding you can come right back in tho |
| 00:41.38 | agio | 2G for /boot? |
| 00:41.41 | agio | !? |
| 00:41.47 | scatterbrainz | yeah |
| 00:41.59 | agio | theat only takes about 250M |
| 00:42.18 | agio | only needs 250M for kernel and initramfs |
| 00:42.44 | scatterbrainz | i was told old kernals can build up |
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| 00:43.06 | dvs | scatterbrainz, not 2GB build up |
| 00:43.16 | dvs | 500MB absolute max |
| 00:43.28 | dvs | even that is a bit much |
| 00:44.15 | themill | at 200 MB per kernel, ... |
| 00:44.21 | dvs | scatterbrainz, I have three kernels and it's taking up 122MB in boot |
| 00:45.08 | agio | my /boot currently occupies 63MB - |
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| 00:46.06 | agio | does a phyisical partition resizing need to be performed in conjunction with the resize of the PV LVM inside it? |
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| 00:46.49 | agio | or can you extend partition with a non-LVM program (e.g. cfdisk) |
| 00:47.00 | agio | then do LVM operations later |
| 00:47.11 | agio | ? |
| 00:47.58 | scatterbrainz | how big is /root |
| 00:48.00 | scatterbrainz | or / |
| 00:48.03 | scatterbrainz | same thingee to me |
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| 00:49.26 | agio | !test |
| 00:49.26 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 00:49.33 | agio | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.47 | dvs | scatterbrainz, 20GB would be fine if /var is a separate partition |
| 00:49.59 | scatterbrainz | ok, what do I put on the raid |
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| 00:51.02 | scatterbrainz | how big should /var be |
| 00:53.06 | dvs | scatterbrainz, I'd put /home on the raid because you can't replace those files (easily) |
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| 00:53.48 | joepublic | well, /home is not necessary for boot nor maintenance |
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| 00:54.40 | scatterbrainz | ok....so here's the thingee : on the stand-alone 120GB drive i'm putting which partitions and size and on the 500's which will go to raid i'm putting what and /partition size? |
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| 00:58.28 | joepublic | I have about 20GB on my / (not counting /home and /var), about 40GB on /var, and entirely too much under /home which is on a separate volume |
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| 00:58.54 | joepublic | for this particular machine, which has been accumulating experimental junk for years without benefit of a reinstall. |
| 00:59.01 | scatterbrainz | but I would want to put all of that on the raid correct? |
| 00:59.30 | m_g_lewis | How do I find out if my wifi driver is installed correctly? |
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| 01:00.40 | joepublic | scatterbrainz, are you talking about 70GB for / (not on raid) and larger than that for /home and /var on raid? do I understand it correctly? |
| 01:01.09 | scatterbrainz | hey Joe: it doesn't matter to me, |
| 01:01.17 | scatterbrainz | I just want to get it up and running |
| 01:01.22 | dvs | scatterbrainz, iwlist scanning |
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| 01:01.33 | dvs | oops |
| 01:01.43 | dvs | m_g_lewis, , iwlist scanning |
| 01:01.46 | agio | you meant m_g_lewis |
| 01:01.50 | agio | dvs |
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| 01:02.02 | scatterbrainz | sooo 3 ssd's 120/500/500 so..../boot goes on the 120 with 500mb or 1gb shoudl be more than enough, then everything else partitioned in raid? |
| 01:02.19 | joepublic | if it was me, I would put the 120 as / , then put /home and a swap partition on the raid I think. |
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| 01:02.56 | scatterbrainz | that's so far what's current Joe....but i have 2GB -> /boot and 118//root |
| 01:03.08 | joepublic | scatterbrainz, sounds perfect to me. and /home on the big raid. |
| 01:03.27 | scatterbrainz | now the question is, I have to make the partitions BEFORE i make the raid? correct? |
| 01:03.46 | scatterbrainz | or make raid then partition? |
| 01:04.09 | joepublic | I want to say that you can make them right in debian-installer, but I would not rely on that and it would not be a bad idea to build the raid before installing. |
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| 01:04.39 | joepublic | the raid should show up as /md0 and you can format and mount that as /home |
| 01:04.56 | joepublic | make that /dev/md0 |
| 01:05.33 | scatterbrainz | lets hope debian over-write the fedora LVM |
| 01:05.47 | scatterbrainz | it was hanging at 60% last time i tried |
| 01:06.10 | joepublic | I would think you could boot to live media and use gparted to write new partition tables to any drives you want "erased" |
| 01:06.27 | scatterbrainz | i dunno i'm at 3% |
| 01:06.29 | scatterbrainz | so we'll see |
| 01:06.33 | scatterbrainz | i'm erasing the data |
| 01:06.35 | joepublic | your point is well taken. |
| 01:07.15 | scatterbrainz | how big should /home / var / svr / usr be respectively? |
| 01:07.20 | scatterbrainz | their all different partitions right/ |
| 01:07.27 | scatterbrainz | ? |
| 01:07.53 | joepublic | well, everything will go along under / unless you tell debian-installer to mount something somewhere. |
| 01:08.04 | scatterbrainz | exactly |
| 01:08.08 | joepublic | so, prepare the 118GB and tell debian-installer to use it as / |
| 01:08.17 | joepublic | the prepare the raid and tell debian-installer to use it as /home |
| 01:08.18 | scatterbrainz | i already did |
| 01:08.29 | scatterbrainz | but how much space? |
| 01:08.38 | scatterbrainz | or will it auto allocate the disk space for /home |
| 01:09.25 | joepublic | presumably you had the conversation about partitions already? if you told it to mount a partition as /home, then that is how big /home will be. other directories will be part of the 118GB / |
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| 01:09.42 | scatterbrainz | no |
| 01:09.49 | scatterbrainz | no said nothing about that |
| 01:10.01 | scatterbrainz | i'm planning on putting / and /home on different physical volumes |
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| 01:10.25 | joepublic | yes. so the partition you mount as /home will be wherever it is. |
| 01:10.45 | scatterbrainz | but when I partition it, it will ask me how much space of the drives to give it |
| 01:10.52 | scatterbrainz | 15% |
| 01:10.53 | scatterbrainz | :( |
| 01:10.57 | scatterbrainz | its sooooooo slow |
| 01:10.58 | scatterbrainz | OMG |
| 01:11.22 | joepublic | I would recommend allocating 32GB on the raid for swap and "the rest" for /home |
| 01:11.37 | scatterbrainz | what about /svr and /usr and /var ? |
| 01:11.48 | scatterbrainz | are those all included IN /home? |
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| 01:11.57 | joepublic | no, they are under / and would be on the 118GB |
| 01:12.07 | joepublic | except there is no such directory /svr by default |
| 01:12.25 | scatterbrainz | then shouldnt / be on the raid? |
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| 01:12.52 | m_g_lewis | dvs: iwlist scanning shows me the interface that is up...I have two wifi cards and the second one is not working...I need to know if the driver is loaded... |
| 01:13.00 | joepublic | scatterbrainz, that is kind of a philosophical question. If everything is on the raid, what is the 120GB device for? |
| 01:13.05 | dvs | scatterbrainz, you don't need so many different partitions. That's a newbie mistake: to make all those different partition so later on, one partition gets full and they have to do some fancy footwork to get some room back. |
| 01:13.11 | scatterbrainz | dvs: /boot |
| 01:13.15 | scatterbrainz | it can NOT go on raid |
| 01:13.30 | scatterbrainz | and I couldn't get anything smaller |
| 01:14.01 | scatterbrainz | besides it was only $40 |
| 01:14.02 | scatterbrainz | LOL |
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| 01:14.17 | joepublic | yeah 120GB is pretty small. I guess I would say that if you ever have raid problems, if / is on raid you can't boot but if it's not, you can. |
| 01:14.18 | scatterbrainz | actually I piad $40 for a kingston 240GB SSD |
| 01:14.45 | scatterbrainz | so i put it in an external drive case as secondary storage for my macbook |
| 01:14.45 | joepublic | I have several of those 120GB SSDs lying around, so I kind of know what you mean |
| 01:14.51 | scatterbrainz | and took the 120 out of there to use as boot |
| 01:15.01 | scatterbrainz | 28% |
| 01:16.49 | scatterbrainz | after i get it installed and up and running i gotta program, wanna get my assingment done tonight for Sunday...so I can take week-end off |
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| 19:58.18 | mbnt | There is a dad link here: Installing_ATI_fglrx_legacy_with_latest_kernel |
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| 20:08.48 | mbnt | Ugh, I meant dead link. To install catalyst on Debian. |
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| 20:09.24 | greycat | that by itself should tell you the state of support for such things |
| 20:09.56 | mbnt | greycat, sometimes Debian magic happens. |
| 20:10.17 | nemo | wow. that glaucom dude. after all that.. "so the css is not on the local machine?" clearly I' not cut out for chat channels |
| 20:10.38 | nemo | s/chat channels/support channels/ |
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| 20:35.50 | jhutchins | nemo: You have to be very careful about what assumptions you make. |
| 20:37.34 | nemo | I just thought fact it was local was clear from demo :/ |
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| 20:40.34 | jhutchins | ,v hedgewars |
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| 20:47.13 | tmroland | .v kernel |
| 20:47.16 | tmroland | ,v kernel |
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| 20:47.30 | greycat | ,kernels |
| 20:47.31 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.19.0-rc7-686-pae (4.19~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.18.0-2-686-pae (4.18.10-2+b1); buster: 4.18.0-2-686-pae (4.18.10-2+b1); stretch-backports: 4.18.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.18.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u6); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae |
| 20:47.32 | judd | (4.9.110-3+deb9u5~deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1) |
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| 20:54.05 | oupala | hi, I'm trying to use the reportbug to send a bug to debian, but I can't see the bug into debian |
| 20:54.09 | oupala | is there a delay ? |
| 20:54.12 | greycat | yes |
| 20:54.53 | __m4ch1n3__ | how often did you send the bug? :3 |
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| 20:55.08 | oupala | ouch, I might have sent the bug 3 or 4 times... :-( |
| 20:55.42 | __m4ch1n3__ | guess they filter identic reports or? |
| 20:55.49 | oupala | I tought it was in real time... It'll need the intervention of someone to set the bugs as duplicates... :-( |
| 20:56.06 | oupala | yes, except the version on the first report |
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| 21:01.40 | oupala | I set version to "2.2.1.0-2 :all |
| 21:01.51 | oupala | and how often is the website refreshed ? |
| 21:01.56 | oupala | each day/night ? |
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| 21:02.33 | greycat | You should receive an email response once your bug has been processed and assigned a number. |
| 21:03.09 | greycat | Formerly this could take up to an hour or so, but more recently someone reported receiving their response within a couple minutes. I don't know what the expected time is these days. |
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| 21:05.34 | glaucom | i need info. |
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| 21:06.14 | joepublic | !ask |
| 21:06.15 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 21:06.23 | glaucom | does each program use a GTK version? |
| 21:06.57 | greycat | Not all programs use libgtk. |
| 21:06.58 | glaucom | example, use gnome, I have a theme. Within the theme, I have graze gtk XX version. |
| 21:07.28 | greycat | If you restrict the question to only GNOME programs, then I think almost(?) all of them use libgtk, but I don't know GNOME very well. |
| 21:08.10 | glaucom | i can or no delete other versions folder gtk ? |
| 21:08.11 | glaucom | https://imgur.com/a/A7fX6aI |
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| 21:14.15 | __m4ch1n3__ | stuff in your home directory should be no problem to del. ~/.config configurations are genereted usually if they dont exsit on programm start |
| 21:14.59 | __m4ch1n3__ | if its in /etc/ or /usr/share i would not del. it |
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| 21:19.01 | glaucom | lol, i understand now |
| 21:19.12 | glaucom | gtk.gresource <-- contains png. and css |
| 21:19.18 | glaucom | compacted bundle |
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| 21:20.46 | glaucom | https://imgur.com/a/ZpXmTMr |
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| 21:46.21 | TTT | hi, stupid question. I have a router that has 1 NIC. It needs to do PPPoE over that NIC, and it needs to NAT and share network with other computers over same NIC. I know I can make virtual eth devices like eth1:1, eth1:2, but can I run PPPoE or DHCP on an eth alias? |
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| 21:47.24 | TTT | when I'm making virtual eth devices, how does that work really? Same physical device gets assigned multiple IPs, that's it? what about protocols that are lower level than an IP, like PPPoE? |
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| 21:59.16 | jhutchins_wk | TTT: I think the only answer we can give you here is "try it and see". |
| 22:00.13 | TTT | ok will do |
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| 22:03.42 | tradar | TTT: pppd will create a new ppp0 interface |
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| 22:04.36 | TTT | yes, but pppd will need to use an eth device to talk to PPPoE bridge |
| 22:06.17 | tradar | TTT: you decive which eth device from pppd ... "pppd plugin rp-pppoe.so eth0 ..." |
| 22:06.26 | tradar | decide* |
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| 22:07.19 | aloo_shu | in an ideal world, you could just brew a gallon of coffee, start out with man ip , take it from there and have a unambiguous answer w/o ever consulting web resources |
| 22:07.54 | greycat | the ip(8) and related man pages are just atrociously badly written |
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| 22:08.16 | TTT | aloo_shu, I'd die of old age by the time I set it up that way. I used to do things like that when I was a young hotshot, but now life is too precious for that |
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| 22:08.33 | aloo_shu | I think I had tought of ip(1) here, but still, yes |
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| 22:10.23 | aloo_shu | I'm sometimes musing how the world would be looking if pkgs w/o complete documentation simply weren't eligible for the repo |
| 22:11.23 | aloo_shu | and debian at least are making an effort |
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| 22:12.10 | greycat | iproute2 is just such a horribly designed interface, and the documentation matches that. |
| 22:12.32 | greycat | Such a marvelous opportunity to redesign everything cleanly from the ground up... squandered. :( |
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| 22:14.24 | arCABAL | I tried upgrading my stretch install to buster which went terribly wrong and now i can't seem to fix it. I get errors when I try to apt upgrade or apt full-upgrade |
| 22:15.03 | arCABAL | i've set my sources list to a default barebones buster sources list from a debian sources list generator |
| 22:15.26 | greycat | ... a what |
| 22:15.50 | greycat | !debian-next |
| 22:15.50 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 22:16.10 | arCABAL | I used this: https://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 22:16.27 | arCABAL | dpkg: too many errors, stopping |
| 22:16.28 | dpkg | arCABAL: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 22:16.29 | arCABAL | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 22:16.31 | arCABAL | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:16.33 | arCABAL | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.47 | arCABAL | the first error that shows up is related to the fontconfig-config. I've tried a lot of apt commands already but can't seem to get out of this broken packages state |
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| 22:20.54 | arCABAL | here are the errors and my sources.list |
| 22:20.56 | arCABAL | https://pastebin.com/nkdxgxtP |
| 22:25.47 | aloo_shu | dpkg , isn't he a darling? |
| 22:25.49 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, aloo_shu |
| 22:26.02 | aloo_shu | autism |
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| 22:30.02 | jhutchins_wk | arCABAL: Did you do a full system update before you tried to upgrade? |
| 22:30.16 | arCABAL | aww yeah i fixed it already |
| 22:30.26 | jhutchins_wk | arCABAL: What was it? |
| 22:30.29 | arCABAL | yeah i did btw |
| 22:30.51 | arCABAL | I had to remove some file to be able to reconfigure fontconfig-config |
| 22:31.04 | arCABAL | Setting up fontconfig-config (2.13.1-1) ... |
| 22:31.05 | arCABAL | ln: failed to create symbolic link '/etc/fonts/conf.d/10-hinting-slight.conf': File exists |
| 22:31.17 | jhutchins_wk | Strongly recommend that you replace "testing" with "buster" in the sources.list |
| 22:31.21 | arCABAL | After I removed this file i was able to update everything and reboot into my desktoip. |
| 22:31.26 | arCABAL | why? |
| 22:32.01 | jhutchins_wk | It's more stable that way. If you weren't paying attention when it relesed you would suddenly have sid. |
| 22:32.38 | arCABAL | alright |
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| 22:34.13 | n4dir | to release the next debian stable tesing will be "frozen", no new packages. After the freeze it can get a bit "wild", cause many packages enter the now new testing. You will not get sid, of course. |
| 22:35.05 | n4dir | in general you will want to pay more close attention than usual after the new stable is released (if you are on either testing or sid). |
| 22:36.09 | n4dir | so if you have buster instead of testing, you may switch over to the new testing when you got the time (assuming you want that, or course). |
| 22:36.34 | jhutchins_wk | n4dir: I believe the first step is to promote sid to testing, so you essentially get a snapshot of sid. |
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| 22:37.08 | jhutchins_wk | n4dir: Then sid starts getting lots of updates, which start getting promoted as well. |
| 22:37.28 | n4dir | jhutchins_wk: k, k. As far it's me a minor difference in what we said, we sure agree in the approach. |
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| 22:37.50 | jhutchins_wk | Yeah, I should have said it more clearly before. |
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| 22:38.38 | jhutchins_wk | The other thing about using the distro names is that five years and three admins from now you're going to want to know what release THIS came from. |
| 22:39.30 | jhutchins_wk | I inherited a server that had packages from four different releases on it (the sources.list was a bit of a mess). |
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| 22:40.17 | jhutchins_wk | Surprizingly, it worked pretty well. |
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| 22:42.14 | arCABAL | I have a small thing that could be improved but I'm not sure if it's worth a bug report. With the game sauerbraten, when you run the program, it has no icon but this can be fixed by adding a line to the .desktop file |
| 22:42.56 | arCABAL | I'm not familiar with debian bug reporting. maybe i should send an email to a maintainer or something. maybe this is not considered a good fix? I'm not sure. |
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| 22:44.04 | tradar | there is a speak2text program for debian? |
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| 22:44.48 | tradar | (debian or any other distro, just for gnu linux) |
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| 23:10.19 | arCABAL | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_recognition_software_for_Linux |
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| 23:12.45 | EdePopede | next step would be a privacy aware FOSS version of Alexa, or is there something yet? |
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| 23:13.29 | tradar | thanks, will read @ arCABAL |
| 23:13.56 | EdePopede | oh. Mycroft and Jasper at least. |
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| 23:23.48 | scatterbrainz | good evening ....this is voice of elinux .....we will take you with us.... |
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| 23:29.40 | dvs | then we will take you SSDs |
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| 23:31.46 | joepublic | Maybe he means out for pizza. |
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