IRC log for #debian on 20181114

00:00.23TyrfingMjolnirjelly-home: Needs to be 19" rack mount
00:00.42TyrfingMjolnirTired of having stuff the cleaning lady puts in the trash
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00:18.14Hijirihi
00:18.15HijiriI'm getting some periodic freezing an dI suspect it is due to file fragmentation on btrfs since iotop shows btrfs-transaction doing a lot of stuff
00:18.19HijiriI tried defragmenting my home directory and my media directory but I'm still getting them
00:18.33HijiriIs there a good way to find which files are fragmented
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00:19.09HijiriOr is it possible to remount with autodefrag without closing everything
00:20.45Hijirisometimes the freezes last tens of seconds
00:22.00HijiriI turned off swap so I know that's not the problem
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00:22.53aloo_shuhow could I go about in order to, preferrably independent of the DE, increase the size of all display elements & fonts ? I.e. I'd like debian to behave as if it had only a small screen, but still use the full resolution. Does that make sense?
00:23.41agioaloo_shu: are you still trying to run debian in a chroot in certain DE on android?
00:23.55aloo_shuexactly
00:24.07agiowhat was the DE again?
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00:24.19aloo_shumatchbox, agio
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00:24.34agiocool. interesting problem
00:25.00agioand you didn't get any help in #android-dev ?
00:26.15aloo_shuagio: but I'm afraid I'd have to adjust for, desktop, panel, etc. separately, and still have illegibly small fonts & buttons in app windows
00:26.59agiowhat is the X-server in this chroot env?
00:27.14aloo_shuagio: no, that day I didn't, and also, it's not an andrpid problem, it's a linux problem. It *could* be a X problem
00:27.44aloo_shuagio: I think ordinary Xorg, using framebuffer driver
00:28.09agiocan you define screen resolution in Xorg then?
00:29.08aloo_shuI think not even that, wouldn't that depend on the underlying driver's capacity to switch?
00:29.57agioI think what you basically want is for is for the UI objects to be rendered at large pixel dimensions
00:30.22agiobecause you have a high density screen ,right?
00:30.28aloo_shubut even if I could, I do not want to really reduce screen size, I want all things rendered larger *as if* screen size were smaller
00:32.30agioaloo_shu: so is your current problem, text, UI elements like buttons etc are tiny in the matchbox DE?
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00:32.37aloo_shuyep, that's the prob, high density screen here, but it's a problem other people may have in other situations, too; I, for instance, occasionally adapt linux for old people, and there, one would also like find the magical all-in-one-spot setting
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00:33.27Hijiriactually my computer has been frozen for like 15 minutes now
00:33.35agioaloo_shu: are you familiar with the <meta name="viewport" .. HTML element?
00:34.00agioit does the behaviours you are wanting - I think
00:34.14agioalthough obviously different environment
00:34.23aloo_shuagio: yes, that's it. I have managed to increase *some* elements, e.g. by passing a --dpi argument to X, but obviously only part of the apps seem to depend on that
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00:35.50aloo_shuagio meta name="viewport ,no , which config file would that be, and which man page to read up on it?
00:36.10agiowhat does android use natively to provide Xorg functionality?
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00:37.36agioaloo_shu: the <meta viewport/> tag is a just a scheme which solves the problems you have- but its for web platform - you can't use with Xorg (except when running web app's inside it
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00:37.58agioI only mentioned it because its concepts are relevat
00:38.02agiorelevant
00:38.24agioi.e. you want to render object with large pixel values
00:38.52agiobut you don't want to "zoom" everything
00:39.07agiobecuase things will become pixellated
00:40.58aloo_shuagio , mistake, android doesn't provide X functionality at all. There are two android apps that do, and you can let debian in a chroot connect to them, e.g. by ssh over localhost, but this is not the way my implemention is going. It is bind-mounting /dev onto the chroot, and running native debian Xorg, with the --sharevts argument, which tells X to write to framebuffer even if it cannot get an exclusive lock on it. Looks ugly whila android is updating, bu
00:42.09aloo_shuagio: and as you have guessed correctly, I do not want to zoom/pan etc, I've thought about xrandr, too, but not really had any good ideas
00:42.16aloo_shu(yet)
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00:44.24aloo_shugenius concept, because if everything works, you can eventually *turn off* the andrlid part of android, i.e. 'am stop'
00:44.43aloo_shu*android*
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00:46.01agioso with the bindmounting, you're running a regular Xorg in the chroot, but instead of it being connected to a real screen its connected to a device file (which is mapped against the android app running in the android "host")
00:46.19aloo_shuno
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00:46.38aloo_shuit's getting the real display device
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00:47.24agiovia the bindmount?
00:47.27aloo_shuboth android and Xorg share the same framebuffer device, that's why it's looking ugly (at first)
00:47.39aloo_shuyes, via the bindmount
00:47.57agiobecause normally the real display device wouldn't be available in the chroot - right?
00:48.55agiohave you considered wayland?
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00:50.02aloo_shuwell, you always do some bind-mounting before firing up a chroot, stuf like /proc /run /sys, and normally, /dev, too, unless you don't want the chroot to access any device, which would be pretty limiting
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00:51.23agioof course
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00:53.08aloo_shumy device is rooted, so the scripts that start the chroot can run as root, and inside the chroot, my debian root account is enabled, for the kernel, both root accounts are identicall, so there's no barrier to accessing anything from within the chroot unless I'm putting one
00:53.40aloo_shuthat includes the display
00:54.13aloo_shuaudio also tested
00:54.17maxrazerAnyone use IceWM and notice uxterm has no icon in the taskbar?
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00:55.50agioaloo_shu: how are you performing all the commands for setting this up? are you running a shell in a laptop connected to android device via USB?
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00:56.11aloo_shuit's a bit 'dirty' to let two OSs access audio & display at the same time, but it can be done (surprise)
00:56.32aloo_shuagio no tethering
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00:57.04agioso you are running a shell inside android? like termux or something?
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00:57.18agioand using android keyboard?
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00:59.48aloo_shuyes, I'm using a terminal emulator from android side, but once I have logged into debian and started a matchbox session, I have a (working!) on-screen keyboard, too, thanks to pointing X to the correct input device and reading touch input as mouse
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01:01.01aloo_shuthe fact that the matchbox DE comes with a virtual kbd is actually why I've decided to try it (plus, it's small)
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01:01.43agiowould it be easier if you could plug in a real keyboard via USB?
01:02.12agiowhile you are doing all this setup work?
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01:03.43aloo_shumuch easier, but I can't. BT kbd could be a middle way, but hey, I enjoy all this hacking, using just the bare device, and I'm short on resources in any sense (solar energy availability, cash..)
01:04.07aloo_shuthe hardware doesn't even have USB OTG
01:04.56agioOTG?
01:05.18aloo_shuit would be a distant aim to figure if with the right modules, the hw (omap) actually *has* usb host capabilitirs
01:06.22aloo_shuusb OnTheGo, a reduced USB host implemention requiring a special micro usb male to usb female cable
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01:07.18aloo_shuso that you can connect at least a kbd, mass storage or a photo camera to your handheld device
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01:09.37agioyes, I use a microUSB to female (full) USB to connect a mouse to my android. I didn't know it was call USB OTG though, thanks
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01:10.42aloo_shuI mean, I could just do a step back and set a priority: how do I configure font size for xterm only? and preferrably set it to a 'dark' theme, too?
01:11.23Hijiriok I just decided to set autodefrag and restart
01:11.37Hijiristll need to see if it will stay unfreezed for a long time
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01:12.08aloo_shuotg isn't full, agio, more specialised stuff like e.g. an external soundcard will likely not run, although usb audio class compliant
01:12.25agioaloo_shu: try starting xterm something like:
01:12.31agioxterm -ft 'xft:DejaVu Sans Mono:pixelsize=13'
01:12.42agiowhere -ft is font
01:12.48agiooption
01:12.57aloo_shuah,
01:13.00agioand that string is font-config font spec
01:13.08BCMMagio: basically usb is not peer-to-peer like firewire. it's inherently a master/slave protocol
01:13.10aloo_shulemme copy that
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01:14.03aloo_shuah, agio, so there's likely a man 5 page to it :)
01:14.19agioaloo_shu: your X might not have "DevaVu Sans" but xterms font config - will prob fall back to whatever sans font you have
01:14.27BCMMagio: just because you can find a set of adaptors to connect two devices together doesn't mean they can actually communicate
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01:15.05BCMMagio: otg devices have special ports which are able to switch which role they play
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01:20.14BCMM(but the cable itself is not unusual electronically - it's the usb controller on the phone that does the role-switching magic)
01:21.28agiomakes sense
01:22.11agioso when in OTG "mode" you could tether to the phone and use the phone as a slave?
01:22.36agiosorry I meant *could NOT tether to phone*
01:23.13agiobecaause in OTG phone is now "master"
01:23.14AndyChow888There are a lot of weird cables, and dongles, to convert USB. Most micro USB female to female USB A that I have are dongles (or adapters). One I have is shaped like an android, clearly to connect a keyboard or mouse to an android phone.
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01:23.41BCMMagio: yeah, that sort of thing
01:23.45AndyChow888OTG also allows power charging, sometimes. It's hardware dependent.
01:24.13BCMMagio: well, otg is the ability to switch. "host mode" is the thing it's in when you connect a mouse
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01:24.53BCMMincidentally this is why you can't just put a dumb cable between two computers and do USB networking, whereas you can do that with firewire
01:25.22BCMMdesktop computers are practically always incapable of *not* acting as USB hosts
01:25.37AndyChow888You might be able to connect a dumb USB cable between computer and do USB networking. Some support that.
01:25.59BCMMAndyChow888: which computers, for example?
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01:27.02SerajewelKSi'm pretty sure windows has supported creating a private network over USB for a long time, and i've never had that fail when using it
01:27.04AndyChow888BCMM, there is an ASUS one I saw once, ASUS motherboard.
01:27.07SerajewelKSso my guess would be "most computers"
01:27.11agioaloo_shu: did that command work for setting your xterm font size?
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01:27.48BCMMSerajewelKS: using what sort of cable, exactly?
01:27.50AndyChow888The RNDIS protocol.
01:28.22SerajewelKSlooks like that wizard was removed in win10 tho
01:28.34SerajewelKSBCMM: just a standard type-a to type-a
01:28.41AndyChow888Ok, seems most of those cables use a smart chip in them.
01:28.45BCMMSerajewelKS: that's really not a thing on standard hardware
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01:29.25SerajewelKSor maybe it was a bridged cable
01:29.27BCMMSerajewelKS: which is why you can buy special, somewhat pricy "cables" that have electronics in a little box in the middle
01:29.29AndyChow888But there was an ASUS motherboard that did allow it, once. On a specific USB port.
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01:29.50BCMMbridged cables are not really USB cables - they have electronics in the middle to basically emulate two usb ethernet adaptors
01:30.04agioSerajewelKS: what does a "bridged cable" do?
01:30.08aloo_shuno, not yet, agio, but the way I was doing it, it's slow to debug, I edit the desktop launcher for xterm - once I'm in graphical debian, I have no other terminal. That's where setting up adb *could* be useful, but no power for laptop w/o sunny days
01:30.32SerajewelKSagio: what BCMM just said
01:30.52agioright
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01:30.55AndyChow888You also have usb cables that do UART, but that also has a chip in them.
01:31.28aloo_shugonna read man pages now from non-graphical login via android term emulator app
01:31.37agiodo micro USB b to female USB A - have a chip in the cable?
01:31.48BCMMAndyChow888: usb-parport cables are a good one for confusing people. they usually hide all the electronics inside the parport, so they look like they're just a dumb adaptor
01:31.58SerajewelKSagio: not a chip, but they should have a resistor if they are up to spec
01:32.14SerajewelKScables without the correct resistor are what cause phones / charging bricks to fry
01:32.16agioSerajewelKS: so they are a "dumb" cable?
01:32.20SerajewelKSyes
01:32.24BCMMagio: no. the magic is all done in the phone's usb controller. they're just plain old cables, with a slightly odd choice of connectors
01:32.29AndyChow888Correct, BCMM. And also a reason why a lot of people are frying their phones charging with dumb USB-C cables.
01:32.57AndyChow888USB-C needs a chip, to identify max voltage, wattage.
01:33.20BCMMAndyChow888: "dumb" usb-c cables are out-of-spec by definition, right?
01:33.30agioand you identify if a USB port is A, B or C - by its color?
01:33.39SerajewelKSno, by its shape
01:33.47AndyChow888BCMM, yes, most definitely, but a lot come out of China.
01:33.58SerajewelKSyou identify different USB-A connectors by color
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01:34.12agioSerajewelKS: shape? but don't they all fit into each other?
01:34.21SerajewelKSagio: most certainly not
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01:34.34AndyChow888If you find a USB-C cable for less than $10, it does not have a chip, and will kill your phone.
01:34.43BCMMagio: no. USB A is the ordinary rectangular one, USB B is the big, square one (as seen on the back of printers, mostly)
01:34.48SerajewelKSagio: type A is what you see on most computers.  type B has various forms.  type B micro is the one on most android phones.  type C is what you see on newer phones and newer laptops (the reversible oval).
01:35.18BCMMagio: USB B is somewhat uncommon because most large usb devices don't have detachable cables, and most small usb devices use micro B
01:35.45agiocan you get USB "b" in the normal rectangular size?
01:35.54AndyChow888On the upside, USB-C can support up to 100W. I haven't used those yet, but I have had 60W over USB-C. Power!
01:36.01BCMMagio: originally, the different connector types sort of enforced that you only plugged hosts in to devices and vice versa
01:36.04SerajewelKSagio: no.  type B is by definition not the normal rectangular.  that's type A.
01:36.25SerajewelKSagio: the connector type is just its shape and has little to do with what version of the USB spec it supports.
01:37.04BCMMagio: here: this is the original standard usb cable http://www.allusb.com/images/articles/usb-ab-connector.jpg
01:37.16aloo_shuagio: my xterm (278?) doesn't have a global -ft parm, it had -fb , -fw etc. instead, for bold, wide and so on. *But*, bingo, it has -fs - font size. Let's try..
01:37.28BCMMagio: that's a USB cable with an A plug and a B plug
01:37.44agioit sounds like the physical shape is how vendors prevent humans mis-matching cables/devices/specs etc
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01:37.58SerajewelKSagio: in theory yes.  in practice it does not work out that way.
01:38.19BCMMit was, originally, what stopped people plugging two desktop computers together with a USB cables and watching the sparks
01:38.25SerajewelKSagio: remember that the type (A/B/C) of cable says absolutely nothing about what version of the USB spec the device implements.
01:38.34agioaloo_shu: I think there is also a switch `--font' it might be that
01:38.34BCMMbut you can now easily find USB A-A cables, due to people abusing connectors
01:38.44SerajewelKSexcept that you'll be unlikely to find type C devices that don't support the newer specs
01:39.03BCMMSerajewelKS: you can't have a C connector without supporting USB 3, can you?
01:39.18SerajewelKSagio: but generally, two devices with a mismatching set of supported specs will negotiate the newest spec that both support
01:39.30SerajewelKSBCMM: right, C is the exception to that, but in general it's a detail you don't have to know
01:39.37AndyChow888SerajewelKS, just look on aliexpress. China is shipping them full-force. So is amazon, due to drop-shippers.
01:40.03BCMMe.g. i've got a USB CD-ROM drive that, for some stupid reason, uses a type-A socket
01:40.05AndyChow888Tons of USB-C cables with no chips at all.
01:40.08BCMMand comes with an A-A cable
01:40.25BCMMthis is technically entirely wrong, and it's kind of irresponsible to ship a cable like that
01:40.53AndyChow888No kidding. Doesn't stop the market from shipping cables like that.
01:41.07dvslooks for Benjamin
01:41.41AndyChow888Just search "fried phone USB-C" 6 million google results.
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01:51.11aloo_shuagio yeah, lets see, there was nothing like it when grepping xterm's manpage, and the -fs size param didn't carry over, maybe some other config or bash? overrides it
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01:51.53agioaloo_shu: I've gotten it to work
01:52.29agioaloo_shu: can you try this:
01:52.35agio<PROTECTED>
01:53.03aloo_shuok
01:53.26agiothat works for me
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01:55.36aloo_shu\o/
01:55.39aloo_shubingo
01:55.49aloo_shuyou're my hero
01:56.13agionice
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01:57.30aloo_shugotta find from where xterm reads its default config, so that I can put it there, but this is 1 step forward
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01:58.09agioxterm reads from ~/.Xdefault or ~/.Xresources
01:58.33aloo_shustill looking for a way that would automatically make all apps take bigger fonts
01:58.49aloo_shuok
01:59.15aloo_shuprobably slightly diferrent syntax, but man shall be my friend
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02:15.35aloo_shuno luck with documentation on Xdefault or Xresources syntax yet, agio
02:15.59aloo_shunot present in my home, neither
02:16.20agioaloo_shu: you have to make the file
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02:16.45aloo_shusure, but the syntax?
02:18.04agioaloo_shu: just a sec
02:19.17aloo_shuthe only template I have, is /etc/X11/Xresources/x11-common, and that's rather not self-explanatory (although looking powerful)
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02:21.35aloo_shunothing in /usr/share/X11, neither, this is a small install in a 1GB fs
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02:23.58aloo_shugot to praise meefik.ru, though, who wrote linux deploy, an app cum scripts that automatises a good bit of installing & setting up debian, and preparing the chroot env later
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02:25.31agioaloo_shu: looks like `man Xsession.options'
02:25.47aloo_shuit *could* all be done step by step from a term, but that app is gold
02:25.50aloo_shuthx
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02:27.18agiootherwise try wiki.archlinux.org Xdefaults or Xresources
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02:29.54aloo_shurather the latter, agio
02:30.39aloo_shuXsession, Xsession.option do not shine much light on but a dozen of flags
02:30.52agioyeah sorry, I know
02:31.28aloo_shublame the X consrtium :)
02:32.00agioaloo_shu: youll be wanting something like:
02:32.16agioXterm.fa: xft:DejaVu Sans Mono:pixelsize=30
02:32.26agioin a ~/.Xdefaults file
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02:32.36agiobut its a complicated setup
02:32.49aloo_shuany mandatory header?
02:32.53agiono
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02:33.11aloo_shuworth a shot
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02:33.16agiobut ~/.Xdefaults stores configs for many X applications
02:33.25aloo_shuall the better
02:33.35agioiits not what you think
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02:33.51aloo_shuah, as per app
02:33.56agioonly about 3 X applications really respect ~/.Xdefaults
02:34.00aloo_shu:(
02:34.13agioonly terminal emulators xterm, urxvt etc
02:34.28agioso you need to load that with the command
02:34.37agioxrdb ~/.Xdefaults
02:34.49agiothat loads the configs into Xserver
02:34.55aloo_shu1 time
02:35.11agioand then xterm, urxvt will read the setting from Xserver
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03:04.34awal1I asked 'youtube-dl' to get download the video as as .opus and all fine but two of them got a different extension format: 1 .ogg and the other .m4a. Why?
03:05.36awal1"youtube-dl -o my-youtube-video.opus -x the-youtube-video-to-download"
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03:06.10awal1it doesn't bother me if opus, ogg or m4a; just wanted to understand why
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03:11.00awal1.opus are even corrupt :(
03:11.09awal1corrupted ^
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03:11.30awal1so looks like youtub-dl -o .opuis doesn't work
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03:18.47awal1not sure how to combine option  -o  with  --audio-format
03:19.31awal1ok, maybe --audio-format opus -o foo  will just work
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04:44.32maxrazerWhat way do you use to play video without tearing with a light desktop and no proprietary nvidia driver installed?
04:45.57maxrazerI'm reading that v-sync doesn't work very well with compton. And not sure the best way to quickly turn on/off that.
04:46.12maxrazerWith nvidia proprietary you just enable pipeline compositing with the driver.
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06:27.48awal1piercedwater:  cmus/moc/mpv :P
06:27.59awal1!editor war
06:27.59dpkgsomebody said editor war was when people start talking all sorts of emotional bullshit while trying to prove superiority of the editor of their choice
06:28.13awal1:D
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06:32.54piercedwaterawal1, no, no war! :D
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06:34.36awal1piercedwater:  peace! :P
06:35.10piercedwaterhehe yeah
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08:38.28edmontwhat can be the cause for a Debian host not to start the Neighbor Discovery process for an unknown destination belonging to an existing IPv6 route?
08:39.12andre144khello all... i have follow PS1-variable:  PS1='\[\033[02;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[00m\]:\[\033[01;34m\]\w\[\033[00m\]> '   -   it shows me complete directy - eg "andre@hostname:/home/andre/foobar>"  - how can i change so i see only last directory-part like that?  "andre@hostname:foobar>
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08:40.01andre144kah i founded
08:40.17andre144ksry for question...   \W instead of \w shld work :)
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08:52.50edmontok, I found the problem, ip6tables 1.8.1 is not recognizing the --icmpv6-type option, why have they removed it?
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09:01.28Foxedmont: stretch provides 1.6.0+snapshot20161117-6, where did you get 1.8.1 ?
09:03.17Foxedmont: if you're on buster you should ask on #debian-next@oftc
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09:03.28edmontFox: ok
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09:07.03edmontFox: but I need invitation
09:07.37Foxedmont: you're on the wrong network
09:07.40Fox!debian-next
09:07.40dpkg#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode.  If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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09:08.04edmontFox: thanks
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09:56.07ws2k3so im having a strange issue with debian. https://pastebin.com/N90SzWC2 ethtool -l eth2 nicely list what i can set. when i run ethtool -L eth2 combined 8 it says Cannot set device channel parameters: Invalid argument. when i run ethtool -l eth2 again it shows me combined 1 what could this be?
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10:24.26srgedI have installed Unattended Upgrades , however I discovered unupdated apps , so it doesn't work well . any ideas?
10:25.14SpeedyGits all about configuration, by default ua only installs security updates
10:25.46srgedSpeedyG: I'd also like it to update all the apps
10:25.48SpeedyGhave to uncomment some of the other lines just above the security uodates if yoy want full updates enabled
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10:27.24ws2k3so im having a strange issue with debian. https://pastebin.com/N90SzWC2 ethtool -l eth2 nicely list what i can set. when i run ethtool -L eth2 combined 8 it says Cannot set device channel parameters: Invalid argument. when i run ethtool -l eth2 again it shows me combined 1 what could this be?
10:27.30srgedSpeedyG: here is how mine is configurated, https://paste.debian.net/1051667/
10:28.01SpeedyGsrged: am on a phone right now, ca t easily open links frpm irc :(
10:29.01srgedSpeedyG: :/
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10:30.01SpeedyGby default, one line is uncommented.. the two or three just above that is what you need for full updates. try to google those a bit (the line aaying security updates in the first section)
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10:31.59srgedsice i run debian9, which one would be better for me, a Chromecast or an Android TV box?
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10:39.54tarzeausrged: often a smart tv has that what chromecast/apple tv can do already built-in. i went with apple tv
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10:52.44kiilohi, i joined a debian 9 system to AD (univention samba4 DC) to use it as an SFTP server head, im using internal-ftp but UID and GID is mapped to nobody??
10:53.23kiilodoes other SFTP setups resolve UID in a chrooted enviroment=
10:53.29kiilo?
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11:34.56ewiHello, any openssl experts here?
11:35.26nkuttler!ask
11:35.26dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
11:35.27rantlemme check the census data.. do you have a warrant?
11:35.36shtrbAny daemon suggestion that would select and update routes per host when I have multiple interfaces ? I'm fed up with a script that adds routes only if a specific network interface is up (3G) and updating the ips each time.
11:36.32shtrb*wihtout having a daemon running on the destination hosts
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11:38.55ewiWeird problem with creating certs with ca. key and csr creation goes well, but I can't create new certificates anymore. Tried to strace the process, no help there. Checked the index.txt no same name certs there.
11:39.39shtrbg your specific error
11:40.17petn-randallewi: Can you share actual commands + output showing your problem?
11:40.26shtrbthe CA is local (undeer your control) or someone's CA ?
11:40.34petn-randallewi: Also, which OS version, and which openssl version are you running?
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11:41.50ewino error, CA is local.
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11:42.19shtrbeasyrsa or manual ?
11:42.36shtrbbetter, do as petn-randall said
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11:42.54shtrbewi, paste.debian.net
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11:44.07ewishtrb, a minute...
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11:55.16ewihttp://paste.debian.net/1051677/
11:55.51ewiopenssl version 1.1.0f
11:56.00ewiDebian jessie
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11:56.10petn-randall,v openssl
11:56.11juddPackage: openssl on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u20; wheezy-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb7u4; jessie: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u8; jessie-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u8; jessie-backports: 1.0.2l-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.1.0f-3+deb9u2; stretch-security: 1.1.0f-3+deb9u2; buster: 1.1.1-2; sid: 1.1.1-2
11:56.31petn-randallewi: jessie doesn't come with that version.
11:57.05ewiSorry stretch
11:57.17ewi<PROTECTED>
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11:58.26ewiProblem is on line 44. openssl seems to be creating the cert, but does not succeed and thus all next commands fail.
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11:59.33ewithe script has been used succesfully earlier. Also if I change the subject outcome is same.
12:00.11petn-randallewi: I think the problem is that you're using a mix of relative and absolute paths. You will only get a cert in /home/cert/ca/certs/sp2.cert.pem if you run the command in /home/cert/ca/.
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12:00.24ewiopenssl.cnf is copied from the default. Only changed lines is dir and some default values.
12:00.35petn-randallewi: Most likely openssl is writing the files to a directory you don't expect, as it's not throwing an error.
12:00.54ewiIt was earlier all relative paths
12:01.03ewididn't work
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12:03.57ewiopenssl .... -out cert1.pem
12:04.05ewistill doesn't work.
12:04.10shtrbfullpath
12:04.35ewiYes, it is in the script.
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12:06.04petn-randallewi: Well, line 49 says you're running from ~/testca. So pretty much what I said before.
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12:09.05ewitestca is copied and sedded test-directory, script is sedded with s/ca/testca/
12:09.27ewiis there option in openssl for deeper debugging?
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12:18.36petn-randallewi: I'm guessing a s/ca/testca/ would break a lot more things.
12:18.50petn-randallewi: So show us the actual things you're debugging, you seem to be mixing up the two.
12:19.11ewiFound the error
12:19.49ewiI had edited index.txt manually and removed offending keys and accidentally left an empty line
12:20.01ewiremoved the empty line and now it works.
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12:21.20ewiCouple of days hunting empty line :)
12:21.49ewiThanks for help and suggestions.
12:21.50shtrbwhy do you delete a line instead of a revoke ?
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12:22.52ewiTesting purposes and still kind of learning to be ca. Luckily this is a closed environment.
12:23.15petn-randallewi: I can recommend the easyrsa scripts, they save a lot of hassle with the detials.
12:23.20petn-randalldetails even.
12:23.35ewiI'm making a transition o XCA
12:23.37shtrbpetn-randall, that was my first question if it's easyrsa or manual
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12:27.06ewipetn-randal, would you suggest easyrsa over XCA?
12:28.01petn-randallewi: Never heard of XCA.
12:28.07shtrba UI
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12:41.15muriihello
12:41.30muriiin order to setup a mail server do Ineed to have a domain?
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12:42.14muriican't I just map the IP to my mail name? (sounds dumb now that I'm writing it down)
12:43.04petn-randallmurii: Sure, but then everyone would have to memorize your IP address to send you mail. And I can imagine that many spamfilters will find that suspicous.
12:43.16shtrbmurii, you can but it will not work over the internet
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12:43.31muriipetn-randall: that's what Ithought too
12:43.33shtrbmurii, no sane mail server would accept traffic from you (or send too )
12:43.42petn-randallThat, too ^^^
12:43.53muriishtrb - why?
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12:44.57shtrbmurii, by default you check if you have rdns, spf and sometimes dkim. for you to have an spf you should register a domain (AFAIK)
12:45.18shtrbAnd that is even before making sure you are not in a blocked zone
12:45.46muriialright
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12:48.30muriiDo you guys think a RPI 3 B+ is enough for hosting: ~10 clients connected to machine via ssh + a service of hosting text/images pasting + irc channel?
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12:49.07muriiPeople back in the day used low powered machines for things like these :)
12:49.31fireba11murii: sure. our company firewall runs on atom :-D
12:49.42muriiglad to hear that!
12:49.46petn-randallmurii: Depends on what you mean with "a service of hosting text/images pasting"
12:49.54muriipetn-randall: something like pasteall
12:50.04kiiloHi i mount nfs4 with sec=krb5p from a freenas sserver to debian client - UID mapping works but permssions are denied, mkdir "test" in the mount - but user should have write permission ... on the client:
12:50.04kiilodrwxrwxr-x  3 administrator@example.com domain users@example.com    5 Nov 14 11:12 scratch
12:50.04kiilouser crashtest@example.com which is in domain users@example.com cannot write
12:50.04kiilocrashtest@example.com@sftp01:/$ mkdir test
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12:50.14muriia place where I can put cod snippets or PNGs
12:50.39muriiOh, and also a GIT page
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12:50.42shtrbmurii, yes, what about the power for the storage ?
12:50.58fireba11murii: for nextcloud you want at least a 2ng gen pi for the gui to be reasonable responsive, but for some trivial web delivery a pi should be plenty
12:51.02muriishtrb: what do you mean?
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12:51.29muriifireba11: no GUI happens in what I describe here, everything is through SSH
12:51.39shtrbmurii, if you set up usb DOKs or SSDs you need to power them
12:51.45shtrbthe pi has a limit what it can power
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12:52.11muriiI think 32GB is enough for what I'm planning
12:52.31muriibut Iget what you mean
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13:07.16hanshenrikfilezilla is both a ftp server and client, the debian package called `filezilla` only installs the client. either the package should be renamed `filezilla-client`, or the ftp server should also be bundled with the package
13:08.03hanshenrik(and for the record, as far as i can see, the filezilla server isn't bundled with any debian package)
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13:22.41fireba11hanshenrik: not wrong but that seems to be their manimg scheme, it's the same for the windows versions
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13:25.17hanshenrikfireba11, well, it's inconsistent & annoying me. there is a mariadb-client package, and a mariadb-server package, but there is no `mariadb` package
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13:26.50fireba11hanshenrik: as far as i can tell basically noone uses the filezilla server ;-) we don't even have any ftp servers running any more :-P
13:28.15hanshenrikfew are actually using ftp servers these days, but there's plenty of sftp servers around, and nearly every major linux distro (debian included) ships one by default~
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13:38.10InvisibleRastahello guys i am following this guide https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap and i was wondering if this will install X
13:38.22InvisibleRastadebootstrap stable /stable-chroot http://deb.debian.org/debian/
13:38.26InvisibleRastathis command ^
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13:38.50inchNo, debootstrap installs only a minimal system.
13:39.02InvisibleRastais there another guide to follow after debootstrap
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13:41.52inchedit /stable-chroot/etc/debian_chroot and write some name there to avoid mistakes
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13:42.07inchThen chroot /stable-chroot and install what you need with apt
13:42.56InvisibleRastainch, i am new to debian and im not enirely sure how to isntall what i need to get X running. id like to have sddm with kde
13:43.19piercedwaterapt get install xorg
13:43.19aptACTION fetches install xorg
13:43.24piercedwaterapt-get, sorry
13:43.28piercedwateror just apt
13:43.37piercedwaterapt install kde
13:43.39piercedwateretc etc
13:43.47InvisibleRastawhat are the etc's?
13:43.51jellypiercedwater: there's no package named "kde"
13:43.55jelly,v kde
13:43.56juddNo package named 'kde' was found in amd64.
13:44.08piercedwaterapt search kde then installing which one you want
13:44.17inchInvisibleRasta: You can do apt install tasksel in the chroot and then run tasksel
13:44.18jellypiercedwater: if you don't know actual answers, you don't have to answer things
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13:44.58jellyInvisibleRasta: if you pick the kde desktop environment during task selection in the installer you're going to get a pretty complete set of packages.
13:45.05inchAnd then apt-get dselect-upgrade to install the tasksel-selected tasks.
13:45.20InvisibleRastawill that install sddm and xorg?
13:45.23jellyyes
13:45.44jellywait, I'm not sure if kde task picks lightdm or sddm
13:45.58jelly,depends task-kde-desktop
13:45.59juddPackage task-kde-desktop in stretch/amd64 -- depends: tasksel (= 3.39), task-desktop, kde-standard, sddm.
13:46.07jellysddm it is!
13:46.26InvisibleRastaI: Base system installed successfully.
13:46.31InvisibleRastaso now i chroot
13:46.36guerby,kernel
13:46.37juddAvailable kernel versions are: experimental: 4.19.0-rc7-686-pae (4.19~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.18.0-2-686-pae (4.18.10-2+b1); buster: 4.18.0-2-686-pae (4.18.10-2+b1); stretch-backports: 4.18.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.18.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.130-2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u5~deb8u1);
13:46.38juddwheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
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13:47.20guerby,kernel-amd64
13:47.50joepublic32-bit 4.19 with pae?  someone's being adventurous
13:47.56jellyInvisibleRasta: oh, if you've already installed something smaller, then I guess you'd just install task-kde-desktop.
13:48.01guerbyhmmm apt-cache policy on stretch-backports says 4.18+98~bpo9+1
13:48.13guerby,linux-image-amd64
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13:49.33jellyguerby: judd defaults to i386 architecture for some stuff, including the list of kernel build across debian branches.  Typically you have the very same versions with -amd64 ABI instead of -686-pae, for 64bi installations
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13:51.56tsglove2I got myself into a pickle.  Machine: Debian9, with Xfce. Yesterday, I was playing with Selenium (it opens up Firefox, and "does things").   Apparently, I didn't quit each Firefox session properly.    Today, I restart the machine, and firefox opens two dozen instances.
13:52.09tsglove2How can I find out what/how is Firefox starting?
13:52.19tsglove2If i run   pkill firefox    all the instances are closed.
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13:52.24tsglove2Yet... how/why?
13:52.45InvisibleRastatasksel is giving me errors jelly http://dpaste.com/2DHAN68
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13:53.26LtLtsglove2: you might look in ~/.config/autostart
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13:54.16jellyInvisibleRasta: those perl and locale issues are a consequence of chroot and not having some locales enabled.  Nothing useful about why tasksel actually failed apart from the last line
13:54.34tsglove2LtL, thank you.  On my way!
13:54.42InvisibleRastaso what is wrong with tasksel jelly ?
13:54.52jellyInvisibleRasta: see if "apt-get update" works on its own
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13:55.12InvisibleRastajelly, yes it updated
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13:56.20stevenmhey I still find myself using 'apt-get' rather than 'apt' - mostly because in a terminal I can scroll up whilst 'apt-get' is running without it jerking back down to the bottom again
13:56.34InvisibleRastajelly, seems like after running that taskel works
13:56.37stevenmi think it's because 'apt' does that silly progress bar animation thingy - anyway to turn that off?
13:56.56greycatI use apt-get too.  The "user friendly" features of apt are not so friendly to me.
13:57.16LtLstevenm: yeah, you could use apt-get instead.
13:57.38jellyPROGRESS BAR
13:57.46greycatYELLOW ON WHITE
13:58.03jellyah, the bright background heathen
13:58.04stevenmwell i don't mind using apt - except for that one little annoyance
13:58.15InvisibleRastajelly what is debian desktop enviroment in taskel?
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13:58.24greycatI also don't like the fact that it auto-deletes the .deb files.
13:58.28InvisibleRastais it xorg? i need to select it or shall i jsut select kde?
13:58.37greycatInvisibleRasta: it will choose one for you, probably GNOME.
13:58.39jellyInvisibleRasta: there are options inside that, the default gets you Gnome installed
13:58.42stevenmgreycat, apt can do what dpkg -i can do?
13:58.58jellyInvisibleRasta: if you want kde just pick kde
13:58.59greycat!apt install
13:58.59dpkgYou can specify a pathname to a manually downloaded .deb file in apt install, but it must begin with / or ./ or ../ or else apt thinks it's a package name. E.g. "apt install ./foo-1.2.deb". This supersedes <gdebi>.
13:59.03joepublicapt-cache search is greppable, whereas trying to use apt search with grep gets you a scolding plus doesn't produce useful output
13:59.11InvisibleRastajelly, how do i stop tasksel
13:59.14InvisibleRastactrl c dont work
13:59.21stevenmooh gdebi was about to be my next question :)
13:59.32stevenmdon't suppose apt install can have a http/https url to a deb? :D
13:59.36jellyInvisibleRasta: Esc, wait a second
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13:59.40stevenmi used to do that trick with gdebi
13:59.57greycatI've never tried.
14:00.05InvisibleRastajelly, nothign happens it keeps downloadig
14:00.20stevenme.g.
14:00.27stevenmsudo gdebi -n $(curl -#Lw%{filename_effective} -o$(mktemp) media.codeweavers.com/pub/crossover/cxlinux/demo/crossover_15.1.0-1.deb)
14:00.35stevenmhacky but it works :)
14:00.52nidhoeggerI have a little problem: I am using the latest Debian 9.6 (that is not the problem though). I have an USB 2 Hub that I connect to an USB 3.0 port which has 4 USB Soundcards plugged into it... The first two sound devices get recocknized, the other two fail with "Not enough bandwidth for new device state.".
14:00.52greycatwell yes, downloading first and then apt installing the downloaded file will work...
14:00.56nidhoeggerIs there any workaround?
14:01.03nidhoeggerThe funny thing is that it works on my Raspberry Pi
14:01.11stevenmgreycat, yeah i more meant without needing curl :)
14:01.36stevenmseems not
14:01.48petn-randallnidhoegger: Do they all four work, or do they only get recognized?
14:01.54petn-randallon the RPi, that is.
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14:02.32nidhoeggerpetn-randall: on the pi all 4 work, on debian pulseaudio shows only 2 devices and the other two will spam dmesg with the said message
14:02.50nidhoeggerwith "on debian" I mean my desktop PC
14:03.26shtrbnidhoegger, try a different port
14:03.32nidhoeggershtrb, did that already
14:03.44nidhoeggersame result
14:03.47shtrbcan you try a powered hub ?
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14:05.07nidhoeggershtrb, also tried that :/
14:05.16nidhoeggertried it on a powered USB3 hub and a powered USB2 hub
14:05.42shtrbCan you check if that's not the hub limit ? check if you errors about the HUB
14:05.54shtrb(maximum devices is 8 vs 15)
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14:06.34shtrbif you select only the two non recognised are they recognised ?
14:07.15nidhoeggershtrb, https://pastebin.com/M0Y6Q9Fb this is the dmesg output about 1 sec captured after plugin
14:07.30nidhoeggeryes, if only two are plugged in all works
14:08.08petn-randallnidhoegger: Do the devices speak USB3?
14:08.13nidhoeggerno
14:08.18InvisibleRastajelly, will fstab be generated automatically?
14:08.24nidhoeggerthey are USB 2.0 soundcards
14:08.41shtrbhave you tried https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1411604#c8 ?
14:08.51shtrbnidhoegger, you can also use usb over ip
14:09.12nidhoeggerill try, one sec pls
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14:09.24petn-randallnidhoegger: Might be a bug in the USB3 controller, or the drivers then.
14:10.11nidhoeggerpausing the sound does not work shtrb
14:10.26shtrbtime to contact greg and linux-usb
14:10.30nidhoeggerpetn-randall, might me :/ just hoped for a workaround
14:12.38nidhoeggertried everything now I could think off :/
14:12.47nidhoeggeris there anywhere I can turn to?
14:12.48shtrbnidhoegger, https://marc.info/?l=linux-usb&r=1&w=2 and #kernelnewbies
14:14.25nidhoeggerhmmm, on another computer (where I have USB 2 and 3 ports) it does not work on the USB3 ports but on the USB2 ports it does
14:14.34nidhoeggerso there seems something off in the XHCI driver mayb
14:14.36nidhoegger*maybe
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14:15.10shtrbnidhoegger, #kernel or #kernelnewbies
14:15.14nidhoeggerthank
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14:15.16nidhoegger*thanks
14:15.16shtrbthey might have an idea
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14:19.23nidhoeggershtrb, is there a way to upgrade to an experimental kernel?
14:19.31nidhoeggerwithout upgrading the whole system to buster of course
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14:19.41greycat!experimental
14:19.41dpkgexperimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development.  Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them.  DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING.  #debian does _not_ support experimental.  For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference.  http://packages.debian.org/experimental/
14:19.43shtrbnot the experimental , download and uild local
14:19.58nidhoeggerokay
14:20.03shtrbnidhoegger, but before that ask at #kernel and #kernelnewbiews or even better at linux-usb
14:20.13nidhoeggerits years since I baked my own kernel :P
14:20.16greycatAre the stretch-backports kernels not bloody enough for your needs?
14:20.21greycat,kernels
14:20.22juddAvailable kernel versions are: experimental: 4.19.0-rc7-686-pae (4.19~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.18.0-2-686-pae (4.18.10-2+b1); buster: 4.18.0-2-686-pae (4.18.10-2+b1); stretch-backports: 4.18.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.18.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.130-2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u5~deb8u1);
14:20.23juddwheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
14:20.40nidhoeggeri asked and wait for an anwer, I just like to know about my possibilities, and maybe the problem is fixed there. so I would install it on my testmachine just to see what happens
14:20.46shtrbnidhoegger, check with the ML , a kernel is three commands far
14:20.56nidhoeggerML?
14:21.01shtrbI didn't see an email linux-usb ..
14:21.05shtrbMailing List
14:21.11petn-randallnidhoegger: It's fairly straight-forward: Download and unpack the sources from kernel.org; make oldconfig; Update any changes to the kernel config with `make menuconfig`; make deb-dpkg; install the package coming out at the end.
14:21.11nidhoeggeryes, that has a reason
14:21.18nidhoeggerI am currently reading how to use a mailing list :P
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14:21.40nidhoeggerso far I lived my life without using one
14:21.49shtrbpetn no make-kpkg ?
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14:22.32petn-randallmake deb-pkg, sorry
14:22.43Iridos,v rednotebook
14:22.44juddPackage: rednotebook on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.4.0-1; jessie: 1.8.1-1
14:22.47petn-randallshtrb: That's been deprecated, it's recommended to use the upstream Makefile.
14:22.52Iridosdpkg, why is rednotebook not in testing
14:22.52dpkgrednotebook is not in testing for the reasons listed in https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=rednotebook
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14:24.18shtrbIridos, red represent fire and anger
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14:25.22InvisibleRastahello guys i used bootstrap to install debian and installed kde with tasksel.. it looks tho that the /boot directory is empty...no kernel
14:25.30shtrbTake an axe and go the local forest
14:25.39shtrbthe device, not the spray
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14:26.21InvisibleRastado i need to install it manually?
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14:35.44nidhoeggerokay, it seems that it depends on how quick you plug everything in
14:36.06nidhoeggerthe sound devices blink for about 2 seconds after plugin, if I wait until the blinking stops and then plug in the next one, everything works
14:40.22petn-randallHow weird. I wonder if it's a fault in the sound cards, the hub, the USB controller, or the drivers.
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14:42.01InvisibleRastawhat is the package that provides intel-ucode
14:42.26shtrbIt could be an auth of some kind (they xhci and the card transfer cat pics for a while and then they decide they can work togher)
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14:43.51nidhoeggerlol
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14:44.07nidhoeggeris there a way to slow down the device handshake?
14:44.16nidhoeggerlike to tell the kernel to only do 1 device at a time
14:44.31petn-randallInvisibleRasta: `apt-file search intel-ucode` will tell you.
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14:49.42ychaoucheHey #debian
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14:50.28ychaoucheI would like to install the openfire server (XMPP), the install page says I need JRE 1.7.0 at least, I don't know how to figure out which package I should install to meet this requirement ? is openjdk-8-jre-headless good ?
14:50.48ychaoucheI can't see any JRE version in the output of apt-cache show openjdk-8-jre-headless
14:51.54petn-randallychaouche: `java -version` will tell you.
14:52.13shtrb,v openfire
14:52.14juddNo package named 'openfire' was found in amd64.
14:52.20ychaouchepetn-randall, I have no java command on that particular server
14:52.24ychaoucheit seems it's not installed
14:52.26shtrbdpkg, why openfire not in debian
14:52.26dpkgshtrb: I give up, what is it?
14:52.40petn-randallychaouche: You have if you install openjdk-8-jre-headless.
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14:53.04ychaoucheok I thought I could know in advance
14:53.21shtrb<PROTECTED>
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14:54.03petn-randallshtrb: I guess because no one packaged it? That command is only useful to find out if a package is in sid, but not in testing.
14:54.12greycat!Openfire
14:54.12dpkgOpenfire (previously Wildfire, Jive Messenger) is an <XMPP> server written in Java, not packaged for Debian (<RFP> in #689589).  http://www.igniterealtime.org/projects/openfire/  #openfire on irc.freenode.net.
14:54.50petn-randallychaouche: I _think_ JRE 1.7.0 is openjdk-7, and 1.8.0 is openjdk-8, but it's more reliable to install the package and check yourself.
14:55.11ychaouchethank you petn-randall
14:55.48shtrbpetn-randall, thanks
14:56.01petn-randallYou're welcome! :)
14:56.18ychaoucheis XMPP still populare in entreprise setting ?
14:56.36ychaoucheto chat w/ colleagues in the same LAN
14:56.46ychaoucheor I should say the entreprise network
14:56.52petn-randallychaouche: personally I've only use it in private, but except for people where I created an account for them, nobody uses it.
14:57.09petn-randallychaouche: Most people use IRC or Slack at work, I guess.
14:57.23nidhoeggerif you want a self hosted solution have a look at mattermost
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14:57.27nidhoeggerwe switched from XMPP to that
14:57.29ychaouchepublic or private servers ?
14:57.38tarzeaunidhoegger: one can also self host an irc server
14:57.39shtrbychaouche, depend on the server ...
14:57.47nidhoeggertarzeau, that is true
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14:57.58nidhoeggerbut in an enterprise setting I think IRC is the wrong solution
14:58.11tarzeaui think it's just right
14:58.17ychaoucheselfhosted is the keyword I was missing
14:58.23nidhoeggerI think that, too, but many others dont
14:58.24ychaouchethis is what I need.
14:58.24shtrbychaouche, XMPP is a good server solution whey you give nice UI for the users
14:58.29nidhoeggerand its not only what one person thinks
14:58.36nidhoeggerIRC has disadvantages
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14:58.51greycatI don't know what you guys think an "enterprise setting" is, but trust me, if you want to talk to someone else in your enterprise setting, you use this thing called a "telephone".
14:58.52shtrbthe best option is the one that make your CEO happy with that
14:59.07nidhoeggergreycat, but then I would have social contact... ehw
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14:59.22greycat(Unless they're close enough that you just walk over and talk in person.)
14:59.27shtrband with XMPP you will net
14:59.28nidhoeggereven worse
14:59.35tarzeaugreycat: they wanted to take ours away and give an usb microphone/speaker thing, last spring... it's been postponed (unknown date), for about 10k people
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15:00.05tarzeauthe telephone can't copy paste, or be used easily on more people than 1:1
15:00.10greycatSounds like someone thinks they can save a few euros by doing that.  I predict bad outcomes.
15:00.43shtrbyes , usb mic and headset what could be possible go wrong :D
15:00.46tarzeaugreycat: they sold it with: soft phone, you can install it on your private cell phone, and also have video chat, messaging etc...
15:01.03tarzeaushtrb: the software (webrtc) sucks!
15:01.29shtrbwebrtc for XMPP ?
15:01.33shtrbthat a first
15:01.56tarzeaushtrb: esp. if you ONLY have the webbrowser software (that needs be running all the time), and oh wait, a computer can have NO SOUNDCARD, or multiple, and no speakers, or speakrs without power, or speakers disconnected, or volume all on 0, or headphone speakers that nobody hears...
15:02.05shtrbThe best solution I have found usefull ,was to try to sell the solution to the Big mangment deprtmant
15:02.12tarzeaushtrb: no that was not related with xmpp
15:02.19ychaouchenidhoegger, fat desktop client ?
15:02.21shtrbif you can do that in an elvator, and make it work then consider installing it
15:02.24tarzeaui'm using my personal cell phone. or irc.
15:02.47tarzeaushtrb: you don't have standard telephones in elevators either
15:03.01shtrbto sell it in person.
15:03.08nidhoeggerychaouche, a bit context would be nice
15:03.09shtrbyou have two three minutes with the CEO
15:03.18ychaouchenidhoegger, I feel like a dedicated software is more engaging than keeping a browser tab open
15:03.21shtrbor any other mgmt person
15:03.28nidhoeggerychaouche, then install the client
15:03.28ychaouchenidhoegger, most of my users would prefer that
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15:03.47ychaouchenidhoegger, yes, I was asking if mattermost had one ?
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15:03.58shtrbDo you think user will care if it's XMPP or SIP for exmaple if all they have is a nice app ?
15:04.02nidhoeggerychaouche, no, you said "fat desktop client?".
15:04.02ychaouchebecause on the website they put (chrome, firefox, IE)
15:04.21shtrbychaouche, you can always use electron
15:04.29nidhoeggerychaouche, mattermost has a desktop client. For mac, linux, windows, even for android and iOS
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15:04.43nidhoeggerychaouche, its not my favorite as its one of these electron thingies, but it works
15:05.10nidhoeggersince we switched to it we do not have any problems with it
15:05.29shtrbbut if you have XMPP or SIP you could even .. you know use yate/or any other software
15:06.03ychaoucheI don't know what electron is, I need to google that
15:06.29ychaoucheis that related to javascript ?
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15:06.37nidhoeggerwtf
15:06.42ychaoucheelectronjs is first search result
15:06.55ychaouchebuild cross platform apps
15:07.00jellythat's the thing.
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15:07.04nidhoeggerbasically its a website in a program
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15:07.11nidhoeggerso you dont need to have the browser open
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15:07.13greycatSilly me, I thought it was an elementary particle with a negative charge.
15:07.22nidhoeggerand it adds some more features like notifications, etc
15:07.39ychaoucheif it works... why not, are you happy with mattermost ?
15:07.45nidhoeggerdisadvantage: electron apps are memory hogs... mattermost desktop uses near to 1GB of Memory
15:07.54nidhoeggerwhich I hate because its just a fucking messenger
15:07.55ychaouche:)
15:08.04shtrbgreycat, would get a big surprise when he will see proton mail, atom editor and few other particales
15:08.04nidhoeggerychaouche, I liked my jabber
15:08.05ychaouchethat's a big no-no for me
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15:08.35nidhoeggerwhats a big no-no?
15:08.44nidhoeggerif you want slim programs dont use the big solutions
15:08.47nidhoeggerslack is also a memory hog
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15:09.03shtrbychaouche, http://rion.io/2016/12/02/bringing-your-web-application-to-desktop-life-with-electron/
15:09.19ychaouchedoes it have lighter clients ?
15:09.32ychaoucheshtrb, no thank you
15:09.37shtrbtelnet ?
15:09.40CrystalMathwindows 98 had a HTA thing, it was very lightweight :P
15:09.40nidhoeggerrofl
15:09.48nidhoeggerCrystalMath, sendmessage?
15:09.48shtrbnc ?
15:09.53nidhoeggernc is nice
15:10.03ychaouchetalk and wall were nice :)
15:10.10shtrbthey are still here
15:10.11CrystalMathelectron can go die in a fire
15:10.13nidhoeggerychaouche, if you need to implement something in your company make a field research
15:10.16shtrbI actually use them with systemd
15:10.44shtrb*wall (to send messages like cake is ready)
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15:10.50ychaouchenidhoegger, I'm in the field right now ^^
15:11.03nidhoeggerthen install and try ans reasearcbh
15:11.23ychaoucheshortcuts are nice too
15:11.24nidhoeggermy keyboard got broken... it wrote weird stuff
15:11.37nidhoeggerychaouche, but what you seek is the swiss army knife
15:11.46ychaouchenot necessarily
15:11.53nidhoeggeryou want a low memory, self hosted messenger that supports group chats, etc
15:12.00nidhoeggerand has very lightweight clients
15:12.16nidhoegger*the group chat thingy was assumed
15:12.34shtrbnidhoegger, maybe matrix ?
15:12.40shtrb+ irc + xmpp + sip  ?
15:12.50nidhoeggerlol
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15:13.06nidhoeggertrillion messenger with a bunch of services?
15:13.07shtrbsip for the desktop phones , the XMPP for all irc for the older generation
15:13.25shtrbnidhoegger, openfire provide SIP and XMPP
15:13.25nidhoeggeromfg... am I really "the older generation"? :/
15:13.41greycatIf you have to ask, yes.  Yes, you are.  Welcome to the club.
15:13.44shtrbdo you know how to operate a rotary phone ?
15:13.45nidhoeggerIRC only if it has L and Q
15:13.51nidhoeggerfor old times sake
15:13.54CrystalMathi know 20-year-olds that use IRC
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15:14.03CrystalMathIRC is the best
15:14.18nidhoeggerCrystalMath, everyone I tell to go look on IRC they dont know what it is...
15:14.32nidhoeggerI love IRC since my BTX times
15:14.42shtrbnidhoegger, if I would put a rotary phone infront of you and a say dial 911 would you be able to do that ? If yes I have bad news for you
15:14.59nidhoegger:(
15:15.03CrystalMathi'm 25 and i've been a freenode member for over 10 years
15:15.04nidhoeggerI would know how to :/
15:15.06shtrbbad news ?
15:15.10CrystalMathi would know how to as well
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15:15.17nidhoeggerIt was a pain in the ass when dialing a number from another country
15:15.20CrystalMathi still HAVE a rotary phone i USE
15:15.28shtrbdamn
15:15.28nidhoeggerand I had to often call into another country
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15:15.40nidhoeggerand it hat a lot of 7, 8 and 9 in it :/
15:15.50CrystalMathalso my mobile phone
15:15.54CrystalMathis a nokia 3310
15:16.02shtrbhi grandpa
15:16.08CrystalMathi am very fond of retro things
15:16.11nidhoeggeractually there is a tutorial on the net how to put a nokia 3310 into a rotary phone
15:16.29nidhoeggerI always laugh when imagining that you receive a call on that :)
15:17.32nidhoeggerand still CrystalMath 's nokia has more battery life than my smartphone :P
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15:19.34CrystalMathi am anti-smartphone and refuse to own one
15:19.40nidhoeggerthats okay
15:19.47nidhoeggerI miss the times of my old nokia 3210
15:20.06CrystalMathif 2G gets shut down, i'm going to get one of those anti-smartphones
15:20.13CrystalMathlike, new phones that have no features
15:20.17CrystalMathother than dialing and SMS
15:20.22nidhoeggerThe new Nokia 3310 has 3G in some models
15:20.32nidhoeggerbut its ugly and the battery life isnt that great
15:20.38CrystalMathyes but does it have just calling and SMS?
15:20.45nidhoeggeryes
15:20.48CrystalMathit's important for me that it does not run apps
15:20.57nidhoeggerit does not run apps
15:20.58CrystalMathwith an exception for javacard, just because nobody really uses that
15:21.12nidhoeggerhttps://www.amazon.com/Nokia-3310-3G-Unlocked-T-Mobile/dp/B075FL4H89/ref=sr_1_1?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1542208867&sr=1-1&keywords=nokia+3310
15:21.28nidhoeggerits a revamp of the old 3310
15:21.32nidhoeggerbut not that great anymore
15:21.37CrystalMathyeah :(
15:21.49nidhoeggerbut with 3G
15:21.52CrystalMathi have the original and 2G will persist here for another decade
15:22.00nidhoeggerin germany they will start shutting down 2G soon
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15:22.13petn-randallhas doubts.
15:22.36nidhoeggerat least they say so
15:22.53ychaoucheit seems matrix and riot operate over HTTP, yes ?
15:23.02CrystalMaththey said possibly 2025 here
15:23.18nidhoeggerI see that some countries already shut it off (outside of europe)
15:23.35petn-randall3G/4G coverage is still at only 60-70% of the area. So it won't disappear any time soon. They cheat with the coverage numbers by claiming to have 90% of all _residents_, which is quite a different number.
15:23.54nidhoeggerychaouche, i thought you were researching? click on the matrix homepage on FAQ, there its stated
15:24.26petn-randallIf you have a country like singapore it's fairly easy to just upgrade those three hotspots ;)
15:24.27CrystalMaththere are also e-ink phones
15:24.29shtrbpetn-randall, coverage is not a function for considuration, they might do as they did in the third world and just bump to 4G devices that also provide 3G coverage
15:24.31nidhoeggerpetn-randall, of which area?
15:24.40petn-randallnidhoegger: .de
15:24.44nidhoeggerI understand that a forest is not covered
15:24.46nidhoeggerwhy should it
15:25.05nidhoeggerthe cities and the connections between the cities have all 4G for me
15:25.08shtrbnetwork attached trees ?
15:25.13nidhoeggerIoTree?
15:25.40shtrbthat's already exist (trees are interconnected with a root system)
15:25.46nidhoegger:)
15:25.47petn-randallnidhoegger: The routes between cities are not counted for the prettified coverage, as those aren't residential areas.
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15:26.14nidhoeggerI dont see a problem with the coverage in germany with 3G/4G
15:26.18petn-randallnidhoegger: Well, you don't want to watch youtube videos in the forrest, but you might want to call an ambulance if you get hit by a tree.
15:26.19nidhoeggerat least not at the places I spend my time
15:26.38nidhoeggerpetn-randall, if I am hit by a tree I dont think I can call an ambulance
15:26.41shtrbok they are more like lans and not the internet
15:27.03nidhoeggerwhat about coverage of the sea?
15:27.14CrystalMathnidhoegger: well let's not be negative
15:27.14shtrbin what worls does trees hit nidhoegger ?
15:27.15nidhoeggerIf you are on a boat on your own and get eaten by a shark you might want to call an ambulance too
15:27.26petn-randallnidhoegger: nobody lives there = doesn't count in the prettified coverage.
15:27.35nidhoeggerthere are people living on houseboats
15:27.42CrystalMathjust tell your government that until 4G is available in every nook and cranny, 2G must live on
15:27.45shtrbin harbour
15:27.45CrystalMaththen get a nokia 3310
15:27.50nidhoeggerCrystalMath, lol :)
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15:28.14ychaouchehmm, I wonder if nextcloud has a desktop IM client
15:28.22CrystalMathnidhoegger: btw there are Punkt phones
15:28.25nidhoeggerychaouche, dont we wonder all?
15:28.29shtrbwhy do you need another client ?
15:28.31CrystalMaththey have a long battery life, and a monochrome screen
15:28.34nidhoeggernextcloud resides in the office next to me, shall I ask them?
15:28.54nidhoeggerCrystalMath, lets be honest, the best argument for a nokia 3310 is snake :)
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15:29.23shtrbychaouche, nextcloud can do XMPP
15:30.08ychaoucheoh, I didn't know that !
15:30.35ychaoucheI have nextcloud installed, maybe I need to read the admin guide to see how I can make the most out of it
15:30.37shtrband provide webdav
15:30.53nidhoeggerand legend says that it can store files
15:30.53ychaoucheout of the XMPP server that is
15:30.54shtrbyou can use your standard apps with it
15:30.55petn-randallHmm, didn't notice that we're in the wrong channel. Let's move to #debian-offtopic.
15:30.58petn-randall!ot
15:30.58dpkg#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users.  Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic.  Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
15:31.12ychaouchesorry :-'(
15:31.20shtrbsorry
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15:31.41petn-randallNo worries, I'm guilty, too ;)
15:31.54nidhoeggerhmmm... sometimes the mind wanders off :) i am sorry too
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15:43.26InvisibleRastajelly, are you available?
15:43.55InvisibleRastai am having issues with the install... i installed kde after bootstrapping as u suggested and all... i can start kde but all the apps dont load
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15:44.08InvisibleRastai click on icons and nothing happens
15:44.37somiajoften times errors are outputted to ~/.xsession-errors
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16:03.46de-factoGuys, when i "apt update" i get many "KEYEXPIRED 1535644863" GPG errors. now "apt-key list | grep expired" is empty, so how can i remove that expired key?
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16:07.30jellyde-facto: which debian release are you using?  Pastebin the complete output.
16:08.26de-factojelly its a jessie installation
16:08.58de-factothe key is from deb.torproject.org
16:09.04troulouliou_div2hi can the network installer for aarch64 start with console output ? i m trying with virt-install but i can not get access to console
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16:09.23pagioshi all, i have server from which i would like to send an email, is there a way to send an email using a dummy small email server? i just need to use for notification and prefer not deploying a full fledged emailserver to do this task thanks
16:09.48greycat,info ssmtp
16:09.49juddPackage ssmtp (mail, extra) in stretch/amd64: extremely simple MTA to get mail off the system to a mail hub. Version: 2.64-8+b2; Size: 52.9k; Installed: 2k; Homepage: http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/ssmtp.html
16:10.01pagiosthanks
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16:11.09jellyor msmtp-mta or nullmailer or ... there are probably more
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16:12.09greycator you could just use a real MTA, like exim4, and simply tell it that all your outgoing mail is to be sent through such-and-such smarthost
16:12.20jellyI was missing something from ssmtp last time I looked at it, msmtp was a bit more featured, for a nulmailer.
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16:13.13jellyif you have a smarthost willing to accept unencrypted unauthed connection then any of those is fine
16:13.46jellyI use nullmailer in chroots.  Because I'm not rich enough for containers.
16:14.05Matt|homehi . using apt , is there a specific flag for installing only the absolute mininum required packaged necessary? for example now im using something called no-recommends , which just removes recommended packages. even so it looks like apt is installing some other stuff that might not be necessary ?
16:14.16Matt|homeor the minimum dependencies or whatever they're called
16:14.28jellyMatt|home: that's it.
16:14.33Matt|homeno-recommends ?
16:14.47Matt|homehm i guess this is just a big package. alright
16:14.49Matt|homethanks jelly
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16:20.49pagiosgreycat, so i use localhost as a relay server or configure ssmpt as a client to an external email server/
16:21.04greycat"using localhost as a relay server" makes zero sense.
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16:21.39jellyMatt|home: some packages have alternative dependencies, if none of the alternatives are installed they will pull in the first option by default
16:21.43pagiosgreycat, like spawn a local small email server
16:21.48pagiosjust to send
16:22.09greycatA relay server, or smarthost, or hub, is the server that you hand all of your (localhost's) mail to, so that it can deliver it for you.
16:22.12jellyMatt|home: that's another way to install more than you bargained for
16:22.38jellyMatt|home: if you have a concrete example, show us
16:22.40jelly!bat
16:22.40dpkgIn order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy".  Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information.  Also ask me about <localized errors>.
16:22.42jellyMatt|home: ^
16:22.48Matt|homejelly : im just working on drive space limits at the moment, so im seeing what i can get away with. no big deal
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16:24.50jellypagios: there are all sorts of things to consider and take care if you want a MTA that is able to send mails on its own and have them successfully delievered.  So in general you don't want that extra work, so you configure ssmtp to use some other "real" mail server.
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16:35.59trystenI'm having a strange issue i hope someone here can explain to me. Nearly any hostname is returning an ipaddress when I ping it. Or try to ssh to it. I discovered this by trying to connect to a known host on my network by hostname `laptop`
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16:37.48trystenwell, ssh complained about a host-key change and I found the host was actually down. so i `ping laptop` and see it's ip is 104.239.207.44
16:38.21trystenhow/why is my box resolving one part hostnames to internet addresses?
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16:39.30jellytrysten: local resolver library it uses configuration /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/nsswitch.conf to figure out name -> ip mappings.
16:39.37jellys/it //
16:39.38greycatName resolution is done by first consulting /etc/nsswitch.conf to see where to look.  If that hasn't been changed, it will look in /etc/hosts first, and then it will try DNS.  DNS is configured by /etc/resolv.conf which may be a plain file, or a symlink to a file elsewhere, and may be dynamically managed by various daemons.
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16:40.45jellytrysten: so.  Look at the hosts line in /etc/nsswitch.conf first, then (likely, but depending on nsswitch.conf config) at resolv.conf
16:41.01greycatwell, it would be good to check /etc/hosts as well
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16:44.14pagiosjelly, greycat is this ok?  /opt/backup.sh > /opt/backup.log && tail -10 /opt/backup.log | sendmail mymail@domain.com
16:44.35greycatYou don't invoke sendmail directly like that.  You invoke mailx instead.
16:45.00greycattail -10 logfile | mailx -s "backup log $(date +%Y-%m-%d)" mymail@mydomain
16:45.01pagiosthe && is ok? will it wait?
16:45.08greycatYes.
16:45.12pagiosthank you
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16:55.18jellypagios: that line, however, will only send mail if /opt/backup.sh is successful (exits with a 0 return code)
16:55.34pagiosthats the idea
16:55.39pagiosif i dont receive a mail i question
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17:05.16trystenmy line is hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns
17:05.41trystenThis doesn't seem quite right. mdns isn't going to have the results i want, is it?
17:05.54jellytrysten: that's the default, it's fine
17:06.55greycatThat just means you look in /etc/hosts first, and then in /etc/resolv.conf
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17:09.39jellyer, /etc/hosts, then local lan broadcast for mdns, then resolv.conf
17:11.07SpeedyGhm, for some reason pam_mkhomedir doesnt do its job when logging in over ssh with ldap auth... any ideas where I Can look for why this doesnt work ?
17:11.11jellytrysten: "strace -f getent hosts laptop" can help figuring out where the result is coming from
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17:24.00trystenseems like it's coming from the router.
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17:24.25trystenI've never used strace before. Thank you for showing me how. I'm still investigating
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17:26.05trystenYup. My router is misbehaving. Thanks jelly, greycat, and #debian! love you peeps
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17:35.15no_gravityWhat was the grep switch to only show the names of matching files?
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17:36.54no_gravitygreycat: Yay! Thanks!
17:37.06petn-randallwonders if there is a place were things like that are documented ...
17:37.41no_gravitypetan: I searched for it in the grep man but did not find it.
17:37.51no_gravitypetan: Searched for 'names only' and similar terms.
17:39.25petn-randalllooks at petan.
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17:40.22joepublicpetn-randall, if someone searches duckduckgo for the exact string "What was the grep switch to only show the names of matching files?" an info box comes up and says "-l".  That the kind of thing you are looking for?
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17:43.31petn-randalljoepublic: Was this meant for no_gravity?
17:44.45joepublicNo, his question was about what the switch was, and greycat answered that already.  You were just asking whether it might have been documented somewhere, and I figured that an infobox plus the first five search results saying "-l" might count.
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17:45.25no_gravityddg for the win!
17:45.29joepublicThough to be honest it was intended to convey important information to no_gravity as well.
17:45.51petn-randalljoepublic: It was meant ironically, as we usually point people to the man page for those questions.
17:46.02joepublicmeant ironically.  yes.
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17:46.39n4dira pity the funny manpages don't exist anymore.
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17:47.23petn-randalln4dir: Which were the funny ones?
17:47.54n4dirpetn-randall: iirc they were called like that. Just stuff for entertainment. And i think it got removed from the repos.
17:48.13n4dirjust stuff to add a bit of fun in discussions, nothing really useful.
17:48.39greycathttps://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/81zopj/funnymanpages_are_back_in_debian/
17:48.43n4dirsay like sl.
17:48.50n4dirgreycat: ye-haw ! thanks for the info
17:49.07greycatI didn't know either.  It was what google gave me.
17:49.20greycatI do remember the package, but I didn't know it had been removed, or that it was being re-packaged.
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17:49.49n4dirnow and then i want to make a bit of fun, then want to link to the debian package. It's the only reason i know it was removed.
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17:50.37n4dirwhen "man" is mentioned, discussions often start to get a bit too serious.
17:50.55greycathow about when "info" is mentioned?
17:51.19n4dirha ha. the brutal truth: i yet have not figured out how to use them. So i better hide in silence.
17:52.04greycatThe easiest way, in my opinion: "info rm | less"
17:52.19greycatThat works for most of them.
17:52.21n4dirnoted. thanks for the info
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18:45.34guest-12345678is there a special trick to get vim symbols working with xfonts-terminus (my locale setting is in order)
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18:50.35InvisibleRastahello guys i isntalled debian with bootstrap method then i installed kde and xorg, i can boot to X but all the kde apps dont open up when i click on them
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18:56.02joepublicWhat happens instead?  can you start anything with alt-f2?
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18:57.06InvisibleRastait displays the laoding mouse
18:57.10InvisibleRastabut nothing happens
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18:59.42hk238Hi I'm using debian with KDE and I have a problem with microphone not working, any quick tips on what to do? :D
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19:00.36jehornhk238, What kind of mic is it? - built-in? USB?
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19:00.58hk238an old regular mic
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19:43.07CrayOsicomHello fellow Debian peeps! I am having a strange problem. On a new, fresh, netinst of 9.6, I chose all the window managers I wanted (desktop environments?) but at login, when I pick MATE or XDM, it still seems to load cinnamon. What did I do wrong?
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19:44.58convergeAnyone know where can I find libxul.so to run firefox ?
19:45.00CrayOsicomnote: I am logging in as root, could that have anything to do with it?
19:45.24convergeI search for xulrunner , but I couldn't find the package
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19:47.57at0mCrayOsicom: don't log in as root into anything graphical. root's place is on console.
19:48.20at0mCrayOsicom: but this has nothing to do with your problem
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19:50.48at0mconverge: here, libxul.so is part of the firefox package. where did you get your firefox? on what debian version?
19:51.11at0mthere's a libxul.so in firefox-esr, too
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19:52.25convergeat0m, thanks! I installed libxt6 and it fixed everything, magic
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19:52.53chriswitthello, i installed as snap (nextcloud) now i see all data it writes belongs to root. is this normal or did i create a security mess, having nextcloud-snap run as root?
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21:25.18jhutchins_wkNo traffic for over an hour?
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21:49.27maxrazerDoes the unofficial firmware image have the nvidia proprietary driver? I'm not clear on that.
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21:50.12jhutchins_wkmaxrazer: It's not firmware, it's third-party software, so no.
21:50.40maxrazerjhutchins_wk, Ok, I didn't really think it was firmware. Is wireless driver firmware though?
21:50.49jhutchins_wkmaxrazer: It does come with a driver that will give you at least minimal VGA, and you can install the proprietary driver later.
21:51.08maxrazerI'm using the official 9.6 and the open source driver gets me up and running.
21:51.10jhutchins_wkmaxrazer: Two different components, driver + firmware.
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21:51.53jhutchins_wkmaxrazer: wifi firmware has things like frequency tables and power limits (to comply with national regulations).
21:52.00maxrazerThere is some mode 0 error I'm getting with my graphics card when I try to swith between tty and logout. It does it with the open source and proprietary driver, but it is even worse with the proprietary driver so I have to hard reboot the computer.
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21:52.32jhutchins_wkmaxrazer: Which proprietary are you using?
21:52.32maxrazerI think it is the model of the card compatability. It is a 1080ti.
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21:53.03jhutchins_wkOh, I have that, works fine for me.  I'm on the "latest stable" direct from Nvidia.
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21:53.33jhutchins_wkJust upgraded from jessie to stretch and it went pretty smoothly.
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21:54.16maxrazerjhutchins_wk, What? I thought you were supposed to never use the driver direct from nvidia. I use the sid nvidia driver from non-free
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21:54.45maxrazerjhutchins_wk, Have you tried going to another tty and then logging out of that tty and see what happens?
21:55.21maxrazerI've always had this problem since using Debian and this card. But I never used Debian before I got this computer/card.
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21:57.36jhutchins_wkmaxrazer: The Nvidia direct drivers are not supported in the #debian channels, but that's what's eventually imported to the non-free repos.
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21:58.21jhutchins_wkmaxrazer: If you have a clean system - no cruft from trying the dkms drivers or other exceptions, you download the package and run it.  It even sets up dkms.
21:58.34maxrazerjhutchins_wk, So, why do you use it instead of from the unstable? It seems about the same version.
21:58.45jhutchins_wkmaxrazer: Then again, lockups with sid ... pretty much expected.
21:58.58jhutchins_wkmaxrazer: No, I use stable + the direct driver.
21:59.04maxrazerI believe I had the same problem with stable and I haven't had problems with sid in general.
21:59.19jhutchins_wkmaxrazer: The nv kernel module wasn't new enough to detect my card.
21:59.33jhutchins_wkTime for me to hit the road.
21:59.46maxrazerjhutchins_wk, You could use backport version or tell it to just use the sid one.
21:59.49maxrazerok
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22:07.07Zta77Does Debian have snappy/snap packages?
22:07.48annadane,v snapd
22:07.49juddPackage: snapd on amd64 -- stretch: 2.21-2+b1; buster: 2.30-5+b1; sid: 2.30-5+b1
22:07.55annadaneyeah ^
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22:07.55n4dirapt-cache search snap doesn't tell?
22:08.07maxrazerZta, You install "snapd"
22:08.11annadaneuses flatpaks, not snaps
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22:09.04Ztan4dir: I'm not currently on Debian.  I'm in a state of transitioning from Ubuntu =)  And I'm not very fond of snaps.
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22:09.34n4dirZta: i see. You could always check at packages.debian.org (well: or with the bot dpkg)
22:10.00n4dirhas no clue of snap of flatpaks or such and wonders if he should care
22:10.07maxrazerZta, You shouldn't need to use snaps for anything.
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22:12.49storrgieis it possible to list packages by install date (chronology of installed packages) by using dpkg or apt?
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22:14.15Ztan4dir: I'd expect the snap package system to be available (and therefore present in the repos); I just wanted to know if it was installed by default.
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22:16.11greycatstorrgie: there's the logs (/var/log/apt* and /var/log/dpkg*) and nothing else AFAIK
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22:19.25Ede|Popedeand with enough diskspace there's /var/cache/apt and ctime (at least as long as they stay on the partition and apt-get instead of apt)
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22:29.24troulouliou_div2hi i m trying to install debian armhf with virt-install but during install it says it cant find the ethernet driver
22:29.41troulouliou_div2are there no virtio driver in the default armhf kernel ??
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22:48.44dkmuellerhow would be the best way to inform myself if I want to know when the Emacs package in debian 9 gets an update?
22:49.06somiajdkmueller: subscribe to the DSA
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22:49.41somiajmost likely it won't get an update, but most updates will be due to security issues, which are all have an email sent out via a DSA
22:50.07somiajI think there are cron jobs you can have email you too, to catch other non security related updates, though these are rare, and only to fix very bad bugs.
22:50.11annadanethe way debian stable works is except for rare exceptions, it doesn't get new software
22:50.30annadaneif you want newer emacs, compile from source or do what i do and use a flatpak
22:50.37dkmuellerI encountered that some packages need Emacs 25 (24 is default), but then I will install use another way
22:50.47annadaneoh, you can apt install emacs25
22:50.50annadaneit's in Stretch
22:50.59dkmuellerwow, thank you
22:51.05dkmuellerthat's a nice solution
22:51.19annadaneemacs is a bit strange like that. it has 25.1 but the "emacs" metapackage defaults to 24
22:51.55annadanethe absolute latest is 26.1 - i think even unstable only has 25.2 still - for which i use a flatpak
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22:54.01somiajyea, debian sometimes provides multiple versions via different package names.
22:54.04somiaj,v emacs25
22:54.05juddPackage: emacs25 on amd64 -- stretch: 25.1+1-4+deb9u1; stretch-security: 25.1+1-4+deb9u1; buster: 1:25.2+1-11; sid: 1:25.2+1-11
22:54.15somiaj,v emacs26
22:54.16juddNo package named 'emacs26' was found in amd64.
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22:55.02annadanei hypothesize that it's due to upgrade compatibility with jessie
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22:56.47somiajmore likely matainer decisions, sometimes a major release is enough different they create a new package, so both the new version and old are available
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23:49.32cdumdumhello every one,  iwant to install nginx-xtra to have a webdav access. and when i put this command : apt install nginx-extra, i have this error https://pastebin.com/KQHtwRzt
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23:57.39InvisibleRastahey guys, why isnt virtualbox available on debian 9+
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