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| 00:01.37 | velix | Is it state of the art to log stdout and stderr of a systemd service to syslog with a identifier or to journal? |
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| 00:01.49 | FinalX | cdumdum: you're trying to install nginx from a third party repository (dotdeb), not the official debian repositories, and it already appears to be installed from another package, seemingly nginx.org's packages |
| 00:02.10 | FinalX | ...also third-party |
| 00:02.57 | cxc99 | hi guys. does anyone have an ansible playbook or a shell script to create an openssl self-signed certificate with a Subject Alternative Name that will validate in firefox? |
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| 00:03.42 | cdumdum | well how can i fix it ? can i scifi wich repositori iwnt to use ? |
| 00:06.11 | BCMM | cdumdum: what version of debian are you using? |
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| 00:07.32 | BCMM | cdumdum: jessie is not the current version of debian. stretch was released over a year ago now. |
| 00:07.34 | cdumdum | 8.11 |
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| 00:09.11 | Brigo_ | cdumdum, do you have backups? |
| 00:09.17 | BCMM | you can have webdav, though nginx-extras, on plain debian - you don't need to use two different third-party package sources for that |
| 00:09.19 | cdumdum | well qit seem to me so hard to do a dist-upgrade without a bug somewhere.... |
| 00:09.22 | BCMM | ^through |
| 00:10.03 | BCMM | !dotdeb |
| 00:10.03 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
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| 00:10.15 | BCMM | !dotdeb alternatives |
| 00:10.15 | dpkg | Software from <dotdeb> historically had a number of packaging or functional issues. If you require newer versions than what <stable> offers, a lot of the packages now have updates in backports.debian.org, ask me about <bdo> or for php possibly <deb.sury.org>; to remove Dotdeb packages: "aptitude purge '~Vdotdeb'". |
| 00:11.09 | InvisibleRasta | guys why there is no vbox guest additions for debian 9+ |
| 00:11.12 | BCMM | removing half-broken third-party stuff might go some way towards making upgrade go more smoothly :) |
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| 00:11.57 | Brigo | InvisibleRasta, you can check these kind of questions in tracker.debian.org |
| 00:12.11 | BCMM | InvisibleRasta: isn't that what virtualbox-guest-dkms is? |
| 00:12.28 | BCMM | InvisibleRasta: it's in backports |
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| 00:13.45 | Brigo | InvisibleRasta, there is a virtualbox-guest-additions-iso too |
| 00:14.08 | cdumdum | so i have to uninstall ngiinx and after install nginx-extra ? |
| 00:14.26 | InvisibleRasta | but its for odler version not new |
| 00:16.26 | BCMM | cdumdum: are you trying to install the dotdeb version of nginx-extra, or the debian one? |
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| 00:17.19 | cdumdum | well i want to install wich on who succed to beinstall !!! |
| 00:17.21 | somiaj | InvisibleRasta: oracle corprate policy prevents virtual box devs from backporting security support for vbox. Since this is against debian's stable policy of keeeping versions frozen, virtual box is no longer included with the release, but provided via backports (and thus the security team doens't support it, since there is no support from the devs to backport patches to the version in stretch) |
| 00:17.32 | somiaj | but you can get virtualbox in stretch-backports |
| 00:17.52 | BCMM | cdumdum: look, why are you using dotdeb in the first place? do you need a specific feature from a newer version of nginx? |
| 00:18.09 | velix | Anyone with an idea? |
| 00:18.17 | InvisibleRasta | somiaj: backport sounds horrible |
| 00:18.35 | BCMM | InvisibleRasta: why? |
| 00:19.02 | somiaj | InvisibleRasta: The packages are made by the same developers. They just have no security support (and a bit less testing) |
| 00:21.09 | BCMM | i blame copy-paste commands in howtos... |
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| 00:22.25 | cdumdum | erf sorry i have been disconnected |
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| 00:22.51 | storrgie | I'm new to debian, is there a way to look up how a package is built (specifically build arguments)? |
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| 00:24.02 | BCMM | cdumdum: well, i'm off to bed now. the problem you have is due to trying to mix packages from different sources, basically. you should decide if you want to use dotdeb packages or plain debian packages. if you want to use dotdeb, ask dotdeb for support. |
| 00:24.41 | cdumdum | well BCMM i said tha i just want a webdav with nginx and al over the web they say i have to install nginx-extras to have XFCE |
| 00:24.55 | somiaj | storrgie: you will have to grab the source package (add a deb-src to your sources.list and apt source foo) and then look in the debian/ directory for how it was built. |
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| 00:25.16 | somiaj | cdumdum: and dotdeb is known to make bad/broken packages, and we usually advise against using them. |
| 00:25.33 | BCMM | cdumdum: i really don't see the connection between xfce and nginx, sorry |
| 00:25.39 | BCMM | is that a typo? |
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| 00:26.13 | scatterbrainz | anyone know why a component would fail to load? |
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| 00:26.45 | BCMM | cdumdum: apart from being sort of broken, dotdeb is basically obsolete now anyway. if you want newer packages, just use an up-to-date version of debian. |
| 00:26.48 | cdumdum | ok, is there a way to match repositories from dotdeb and reinstall them from official repositorie, without if it is possible loose conf file ? |
| 00:27.05 | somiaj | !dotdeb |
| 00:27.05 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
| 00:27.41 | somiaj | hmm, thought that said how to remove dotdeb. You can use aptitude to search packages by origin, and remove all packages from dotdeb, then install the proper ones from debian. |
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| 00:28.04 | storrgie | somiaj, is there a resource online that I can examine (so I don't have to pull more things to my system)? |
| 00:28.08 | somiaj | Though sometimes (unless you want to build your own packages), you need versions not provided by debian. |
| 00:28.14 | BCMM | cdumdum: config files that you have actually modified should not be removed when you uninstall a package (unless you purge the package). i wouldn't know whether dotdeb packages follow such norms, though. goodnight. |
| 00:28.37 | somiaj | storrgie: tracker.debian.org/packagename has links to an archive of the source trees I belive. |
| 00:29.16 | somiaj | you can also check the changelog, /usr/share/doc/packagename/changelog.Debian.gz for info about config options used, changes. |
| 00:29.28 | somiaj | though that requires you have the package installed, if not tracker.debian.org also has links to the changelogs |
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| 00:32.38 | cdumdum | somiaj for a beginner like me wich repositorie is the best? how can i knowing wich repositorie is the best for this packages or that one ? |
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| 00:34.14 | somiaj | !don't break debian |
| 00:34.14 | dpkg | i guess dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 00:35.41 | somiaj | that wiki article has some pointers. In general my advise is use offical debian packages whenever possible. If you are in a case where debian doesn't provide a package (or you need a version different than debian), then you need to be careful. In this case you have to trust the third party source you are using to work well with debian, and in general dotdeb has failed to do so. I don't really have a list |
| 00:35.47 | somiaj | of third party repos wich are nice, mostly a list of ones that are not nice. |
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| 00:36.11 | velix | Can anyone just give me a hint? you don't need to answer the question professionally. |
| 00:37.49 | somiaj | velix: I smell an XY problem here, what are you trying to achieve. |
| 00:38.16 | somiaj | velix: when a service is started by systemd via a unit file, systemd should already be handeling where stderr and stdout go. |
| 00:38.36 | velix | somiaj: I've created a systemd service for one of my gunicorn apps and I don't know what's better: to log to file, to log to syslog (and use rsyslogd) or to log to system's journal. |
| 00:38.38 | somiaj | (I don't know where it actually outputs them, I think in the binary journal) |
| 00:38.49 | velix | somiaj: okay, I thought Debian has rules for this. |
| 00:39.12 | velix | PostgreSQL for example logs to good old /var/log |
| 00:39.31 | somiaj | for your service, I would decide what is best for you. You could create a logfile if needed, but systemd by default should be logging things into journald, and if you have persistant logs enabled (create /var/log/jounral) you have access to those logs |
| 00:39.36 | cdumdum | thanks somiaj |
| 00:39.38 | scatterbrainz | hey folks, how do you add MBR to a partitioned drive? |
| 00:39.40 | somiaj | sure, but not all services need their own indvudial logfile. |
| 00:40.03 | somiaj | scatterbrainz: is the drive partitioned using MBR (legacy) partition table or GPT partition table? |
| 00:40.27 | velix | somiaj: okay, thanks a lot :D |
| 00:40.39 | scatterbrainz | ext4 |
| 00:40.57 | somiaj | scatterbrainz: that is a file system on a partition, not the partition format used. |
| 00:41.17 | scatterbrainz | well i'm in the debian installer |
| 00:41.23 | somiaj | scatterbrainz: can you put the output of 'fdisk -l /dev/sdX' where /dev/sdX is your drive at paste.debian.net |
| 00:41.24 | scatterbrainz | niether of those options are available |
| 00:41.59 | somiaj | okay, so why do you have this question about the MBR. The debian installer will be default use MBR partition tables if you boot in legacy mode and GPT partition tables if you boot in efi mode. |
| 00:42.09 | scatterbrainz | because the machine won't boot |
| 00:42.13 | scatterbrainz | and I'm in rescue mode |
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| 00:42.44 | scatterbrainz | somiaj: >>> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=139027 |
| 00:42.48 | scatterbrainz | its my post |
| 00:42.50 | somiaj | ahh, so grub failed to install? Do you recall if you are booting in efi mode or legacy? |
| 00:42.53 | somiaj | !fixmbr |
| 00:42.53 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 00:44.07 | scatterbrainz | somiaj: I set the flag in the bios to "other OS" so that may mean -> legacy? |
| 00:44.31 | somiaj | I don't think so, I think that flag is for acpi stuff. This is a boot flag, and it should be called 'legacy boot' |
| 00:44.53 | scatterbrainz | let me check for yuo...i'll reboot it |
| 00:45.01 | scatterbrainz | >> Processing >> please stand by |
| 00:45.05 | somiaj | But with the raid here, it could be something else is the problem, lets go back to the start. |
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| 00:45.14 | somiaj | Can you tell us what exact image you are using to install debian? |
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| 00:46.46 | somiaj | anyways, it is time for me to head home, so I cna't provide any more help, good luck getting debian to work. |
| 00:47.16 | cdumdum | by somniaj |
| 00:47.42 | scatterbrainz | somiaj: debian-9.5.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso |
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| 00:49.49 | scatterbrainz | somiaj: i have 3 choices in CSM -> Boot Device Control -> UEFI & LEgacy OpROM | LEgacy OpROM only | UEFI |
| 00:49.55 | aloo_shu | scatterbrainz: somiaj said goodbye while you were away |
| 00:50.10 | scatterbrainz | ack |
| 00:50.29 | aloo_shu | hope someone else can help |
| 00:50.52 | scatterbrainz | i switched them all to legacy |
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| 02:06.32 | pincho | Q: does anyone know if it is possible to cram a Debian 9.6.0 amd64 dvd1 iso content under say /debian-cd/9.6.0 of a debian mirror (mine) to be used during a PXE boot install? Or is there a better way to PXE+preseed install a specific release? |
| 02:08.40 | rant | you dont need to PXE boot a whole DVD iso you can just boot a netinst and point it to a package repo |
| 02:09.10 | rant | its been a long time but I used to have a netgear router setup to boot various things including a debian installer |
| 02:09.31 | rant | so yes, its possible, cause while I dont remember details, I've done it |
| 02:09.45 | rant | on a cheap home router no less :P |
| 02:10.45 | pincho | The PXE uses netboot.tar.gz from 9.6.0 so from what I see I don't boot from the dvd. However I point to my mirror that contains just the dvd1 under /debian-cd/9.6.0. |
| 02:11.24 | rant | what is your obsession with DVD1 iso? its not needed |
| 02:11.43 | pincho | I want a release |
| 02:11.51 | pincho | non moving source |
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| 02:12.24 | rant | because you're doing this on many machines? |
| 02:12.33 | pincho | I want network boot off a dvd essentially :) |
| 02:12.40 | pincho | yes |
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| 02:13.19 | rant | well you do realize if you literally want to boot am image via pxe you can just use isolinux or something.. |
| 02:13.20 | pincho | and they need to be precisely off the release |
| 02:13.32 | rant | I've used it to boot a bios flash floppy image before over pxe |
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| 02:14.05 | pincho | yeah but I like the flexibility to add a boot menu entry and a new version and test stuff before upgrading everything |
| 02:14.06 | rant | you CAN boot isolinux over pxe and it will in turn treat anything as though it were booted off a real disk |
| 02:14.23 | rant | thats what I'm talking about |
| 02:14.41 | rant | once you setup the PXE+ISOlinux you can change the ISO its actually loading any time you want |
| 02:14.45 | pincho | not sure sure how the parts fit together |
| 02:15.15 | rant | its been like a decade since I done this so I dont recall offhand either but I know its doable.. |
| 02:15.54 | pincho | ok..let me google that a bit see if I get it |
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| 02:17.12 | rant | https://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php?title=PXELINUX this looks promising.. its what came up when I looked |
| 02:17.25 | rant | seems similar to the kinda crap I had going on back in the day |
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| 02:18.51 | pincho | rant: that's precisely what I'm using right now actually :) |
| 02:19.06 | rant | I had a Netgear WNR3500-L with a thumbdrive in its USB port that held debian netinst, and my desktop install image which used nfs storage for my homedirs, and I kept Thinkpad Docks attached to the router that I could PXE boot any of my thinkpads.. I ran them for a long time with no HDDs in them. saves power, made it easy to just make changes to the OS on the thumbdrive and have it change on all machines |
| 02:19.12 | rant | simply by rebooting them |
| 02:20.24 | pincho | rant: I got everything working except that when my pxelinux.cfg/defaults menu entry starts it seems to start but then the installer fails saying some file is missing |
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| 02:20.46 | pincho | rant: and the log seems to say that the signature cannot be verified |
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| 02:21.17 | pincho | apparently they added some kind of signature verification on mirrors at some point |
| 02:21.27 | rant | idk I'm very sleepy and I haven't done this stuff in a LONG time.. but I know it can liteally boot anything.. I mean that time I used it to flash a bios.. we're talking a DOS based floppy image.. |
| 02:22.02 | rant | syslinux doesn't care what it is its actually booting, it just handles the booting and emulation of the device |
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| 02:22.36 | pincho | well it does boot over the network and start the installation...I think its just a question of my source is dodgy |
| 02:23.15 | pincho | but thanks at least I know this is not completely crazy |
| 02:23.19 | rant | heh |
| 02:23.26 | rant | no, its a lil out there.. but I've done worse |
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| 02:24.30 | rant | that time I was flashing a bios over PXE was on a toshiba satellite that had refused to boot.. the flash didnt fix it, it wouldnt boot from USB, CD, HDD, nothing but PXE so I'd setup a really old machine to PXE boot the OS off the laptops internal HDD.. after booting it all worked fine :P |
| 02:24.38 | rant | so I've done some rube shit with PXE before |
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| 03:35.45 | xdruppi | i've installed debian on my computer and it is unable to detect my monitor, it is detected as unknown monitor and displays wrong resolution, i've updated the system and i am also using propietary drivers |
| 03:35.48 | xdruppi | but it's not fixed |
| 03:35.54 | xdruppi | why could this be happening? |
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| 03:44.04 | scatterbrainz | 2 things come immediately to mind, does the monitor have a specific linux driver that needs to be installed, and does debian see the port that the monitor is plugged in on? lastly, does debian see the associated gpu to the display |
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| 03:47.23 | c|oneman | what is the best ARM Single board computer for debian kernel support |
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| 03:49.17 | xdruppi | scatterbrainz: a) no, b)yes, c)i do not know |
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| 03:49.51 | c|oneman | hmm I'll just check armbian.com |
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| 03:53.00 | scatterbrainz | is it /boot that has to have the bootflag or /root? |
| 03:53.08 | scatterbrainz | oops / (not /root) their dif |
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| 06:41.56 | pity | Hi, guys. I'm learning packaging and I got a question. How to automatically export some variables after I installed a deb package? I tried to put the `export FOO_PATH=/path/to/dest' in foo.postinst but it didn't work, any tips? |
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| 06:44.55 | saper | pity: who needs those environment variables? a user that is logged in to the shell or a service that runs when the system is starting? |
| 06:46.00 | saper | pity: generally it is easier to have a configuration file that sets the options desired instead of playing with environment variables; I'd rather let users use them to override certain defaults. |
| 06:46.14 | pity | saper: I think a user needs it. |
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| 06:46.26 | saper | pity: what is it? |
| 06:47.11 | pity | saper: It's a customized GUILE_LOAD_COMPILED_PATH |
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| 06:47.52 | pity | saper: GUILE_LOAD_COMPILED_PATH="/usr/local/lib/guile/2.2/site-ccache" |
| 06:48.51 | somiaj | pity: why is a deb installing to /usr/local? Also what about this software requires this path to be present? Isn't there some default that the variable sets to (often set with ./configure at compile time) so it should be set to a deafult if not set by the user? |
| 06:48.58 | saper | can't guile be compiled to know it in advance? |
| 06:48.58 | somiaj | i.e. a package most likely shoudln't need users setting things like that. |
| 06:50.28 | saper | true |
| 06:50.39 | saper | I guess pity is not porting guile itself |
| 06:51.11 | saper | including this in the load path could be addressed in the guile port if really needed |
| 06:51.28 | saper | (for some unpackaged scripts) |
| 06:52.32 | pity | somiaj: It's customized install path, don't ask why. :D |
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| 06:54.07 | pity | The situation is, I have a standard guile installed to /usr/, but my library is customized to /usr/local, so I have to export the enviroment variables to make my library work. |
| 06:55.25 | pity | By now, it works if I manually export the enviroment variables, but I think they can be exported automatically. |
| 06:55.40 | somiaj | well in general .deb files should be configured to install to /usr, and /usr/local is for locally installed stuff from make install |
| 06:55.57 | somiaj | if this is jsut for your user put it in .bashrc, but this sounds unstandard in terms of building a proper .deb |
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| 06:56.19 | somiaj | yea, have your shell do it, but for distirubting a .deb for other users, I would figure out a better way to do this |
| 06:56.38 | saper | does debian have something like /etc/environment.d or whatever? |
| 06:57.07 | pity | somiaj: yeah, I know that, but the library which I'm packaging is customized to /usr/local. |
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| 06:59.03 | pity | saper: There's /etc/environment but no /etc/environment.d/. I tried to put an export script in /etc/profile.d/, but it didn't work. |
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| 07:54.26 | hudo | Hi, is it usual that the swap partition just fills but does not release unused "space" ? There is enough free RAM, swapiness is the default of 60 |
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| 07:56.02 | jelly | hudo: yes |
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| 07:56.42 | jelly | pages are not pulled back in from swap unless they're actually used again |
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| 07:57.20 | hudo | so after a time the swap partition will be full and this is the normal state ? |
| 07:58.06 | jelly | if there's a significant memory leak, the swap will fill up, then the memory will fill up, then things will stop working properly |
| 07:58.07 | hudo | and this will not handicap the system |
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| 07:59.31 | hudo | @jelly do you have some documentation about this behaviour ? |
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| 08:00.14 | hudo | what i saw on documentation always describes from the RAM's point of view |
| 08:00.28 | jelly | !swappiness |
| 08:00.28 | dpkg | A number of Linux kernel developers debated "swappiness" - exploring when an application should or should not be swapped out, versus reclaiming memory from the cache. http://kerneltrap.org/node/3000 http://kerneltrap.org/node/3202 http://kerneltrap.org/node/3660 |
| 08:00.59 | jelly | hm, that's not what I expected |
| 08:01.42 | jelly | and none of the links work, there may be a copy at eg. http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://kerneltrap.org/node/3660 |
| 08:02.00 | Haohmaru | when i browse some of these ever-scrolling websites, with firefox.. after enough time i fill the RAM and the SWAP.. then killing firefox doesn't fix things |
| 08:02.13 | hudo | that RAM writes to swap partition/file to have free space on its own, cause its faster blabla. But how the swap behaves, i could not find good things |
| 08:03.02 | hudo | Haohmaru, thats right, I dont think the application have no memory leak |
| 08:03.09 | jelly | http://web.archive.org/web/20130305022031/http://kerneltrap.org/node/3000 |
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| 08:03.46 | Haohmaru | i don't know who leaks the RAM tho |
| 08:05.38 | hudo | well the question is, do i have to take action on my own or will the system run stable. Since the last reboot I see that swap is increasing (slowly) full, but never releases space again |
| 08:06.40 | Fox | Haohmaru: found that very useful to know what's been swaping http://paste.debian.net/1051810/ |
| 08:06.40 | hudo | and the next thing, if I have to take action, what do I have to do ( except rebooting ) |
| 08:07.37 | Haohmaru | x_x |
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| 08:08.23 | Haohmaru | Fox i looked in a resource monitor thing on the xfce4-panel, and also the info in lxtask |
| 08:08.53 | Haohmaru | but i think some of the leaked memory stays in xorg (don't quote me on that) |
| 08:09.06 | Fox | I hate all these clicking stuff, only use wmaker and terminals :) |
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| 08:09.30 | Haohmaru | is not a commandline h4x0r |
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| 08:13.38 | Fox | neither am I |
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| 08:16.42 | ShalokShalom | how often does it appear that a package changes in debian freeze? |
| 08:17.06 | ShalokShalom | so, how often change something in trans freeze, soft freeze and full freeze? |
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| 10:54.04 | johnhmalu | hello .go files have an icon in debian? like .c or .py files? |
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| 11:06.13 | InvisibleRasta | hello guys how do i get to work copy and paste with debian gues in vbox |
| 11:06.30 | InvisibleRasta | i installed the additions with the ISO that virtualbox provides |
| 11:06.40 | InvisibleRasta | but after reboot it didnt change anything |
| 11:07.34 | shtrb | you need to enable the copy paste in the UI |
| 11:07.39 | InvisibleRasta | i did |
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| 11:13.21 | InvisibleRasta | do i have to modprobe anyhting |
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| 11:15.20 | Mathisen | nope |
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| 11:16.10 | Mathisen | InvisibleRasta, it should have worked, the only thing needed is the guest additions and to set the setting in vbox menu, try biodirectonal there if you havent |
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| 11:17.25 | Mathisen | double check that you have guest additions installed also " lsmod | grep vbox " |
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| 11:19.24 | InvisibleRasta | Mathisen: that doesn toutput nothing |
| 11:19.35 | InvisibleRasta | itd a debian guest |
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| 11:20.30 | Mathisen | can someone in here confirm that i typed correct command for debian ? im currently on arch on this machine |
| 11:21.02 | Mathisen | InvisibleRasta, as long as i did not give you wrong command wait and see if someone answers you dont have guest installed |
| 11:22.01 | Fox | InvisibleRasta: is the host a debian one too ? |
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| 11:23.22 | InvisibleRasta | no |
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| 11:23.26 | InvisibleRasta | it is a winblows |
| 11:23.47 | Fox | then maybe the problem isn't a debian problem at all |
| 11:23.57 | InvisibleRasta | windows 10 |
| 11:24.05 | InvisibleRasta | it works with arch and gentoo install tho |
| 11:24.07 | Fox | do you have other guests on this windows host ? |
| 11:24.16 | Fox | ok, that answers my question :) |
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| 12:02.18 | stripe | Hi all, anyone found a workaround for amd rx580 graphics/audio, ave tried the 4.18 backports kernel but just get a black screen when lightdm tries to load, cheers :) |
| 12:02.46 | stripe | *have |
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| 12:10.16 | __adan | question: how to install selinux into debian?? i was trying everything for it. |
| 12:10.55 | __adan | I've even rebuild the linux kernel, add all the selinux modules into linux kernel |
| 12:11.33 | __adan | but the 'sestatus' status always been disabled,,, somebody help me ? |
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| 12:12.22 | avu | __adan: https://wiki.debian.org/SELinux/Setup doesn't work? |
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| 12:13.19 | avu | __adan: maybe https://wiki.debian.org/SELinux/Notes can help? |
| 12:14.28 | SpeedyG | avu: I can confirm that that tutorial does work on deb9 ;) |
| 12:15.23 | SpeedyG | tried it a few months ago |
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| 12:18.09 | __adan | thx <avu>,<SpeedyG> i try again |
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| 13:40.44 | Lython__ | I went with Cinnamon for my desktop environment and I regret it, oof. |
| 13:42.28 | diogenes_ | Lython__, xfce rocks! |
| 13:43.29 | Lython__ | Debating between xfce and GNOME, using xfce atm and it's pretty neat. |
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| 13:45.44 | diogenes_ | gnome is heavy as a hyppo, at least for me and it heats my pc big time, xfce runs smooth. |
| 13:46.18 | Lython__ | I did notice that when on Ubuntu, yeah... GNOME was pretty hefty. |
| 13:48.20 | Lython__ | My GPU has yet to crash on Debian so far, which I consider a win (even though it's always a gamble) |
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| 14:04.46 | petn-randall | Lython__: GPUs seldomly crash, it's usually software that does. |
| 14:05.47 | shtrb | Lython__, they can burn, melt, blow up, send radio waves but not crash |
| 14:06.36 | ShalokShalom | how often does it appear that a package changes in debian freeze? |
| 14:06.38 | ShalokShalom | so, how often change something in trans freeze, soft freeze and full freeze? |
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| 14:15.15 | Lython__ | Drivers are usually the culprit from what I've seen |
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| 14:15.33 | greycat | He left right after asking the question. |
| 14:15.53 | Lython__ | amdkmdap specifically, also oof. |
| 14:16.48 | petn-randall | greycat: Well, you didn't response within 15 seconds, you were being impolite! |
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| 14:19.23 | shtrb | petn-randall, it's a gui tool it could be closed by mistake |
| 14:19.43 | shtrb | and kde app, so it might just crashed :D |
| 14:20.58 | fuxxy | Trying to set up Debian NFS client (supernerd.me) to authenticate with krb5 to windows domain (family.supernerd.me). Is there a way to respond to kerberos as if it were on the "family" subdomain, without totally migrating the server? Windows/kerberos wants debian/NFSclient to be in its domain. |
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| 14:26.18 | pagios | what do you guys think of cloudera? is it leading in the big data space? |
| 14:26.33 | abrotman | pagios: This is #debian ? |
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| 14:27.13 | abrotman | pagios: Wouldn't it make more sense to ask the Hadoop channel? or similar? |
| 14:29.47 | jim | is there something that can figure out if a module is in a particular kernel image package? |
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| 14:31.45 | BCMM | jim: at worst, you can peak inside on the packages.debian.org website (search for "list of files") |
| 14:32.03 | BCMM | are you looking for a way to do it programatically, though? |
| 14:32.07 | petn-randall | Hi, in a systemd unit, I can set `Restart=on-failure` for a unit to restart every time the daemon fails. How can I set the number of attempts it will restart it? |
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| 14:33.51 | BCMM | jim: e.g. https://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/linux-image-4.18.0-2-amd64/filelist |
| 14:34.05 | greycat | petn-randall: I've never seen anyone ask for "give up after n tries" before. Maybe ask #systemd. |
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| 14:38.29 | shtrb | pagios, hadoop is not even correctly packaged (afaik) |
| 14:38.34 | shtrb | ,v hadoop |
| 14:38.36 | judd | No package named 'hadoop' was found in amd64. |
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| 14:39.01 | pagios | ??/ |
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| 14:39.33 | greycat | Is that one of those ANSI triglyphs? I've heard of them... |
| 14:40.14 | greycat | Oops, "trigraph" seems to be the correct word. |
| 14:40.27 | petn-randall | greycat: I'll ask there. Reading over `man systemd.service`, it's not clear to me how many times or how long it attempts to restart it. |
| 14:40.41 | greycat | I couldn't see an option for it either. |
| 14:41.18 | greycat | (And yes, I remembered part of it correctly -- "??/" is indeed one of C's trigraphs.) |
| 14:41.35 | greycat | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digraphs_and_trigraphs#C |
| 14:42.02 | shtrb | !ot |
| 14:42.02 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 14:54.10 | RNM | !ot |
| 14:54.10 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 14:54.14 | RNM | !help |
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| 14:54.54 | greycat | If you have a question, just ask it. |
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| 15:27.09 | tsglove | I just installed a fresh Debian9 machine. I am trying to give it a static IP address. What I did was what was outlined in this link. I went modified /etc/networking/interfaces took out the DHCP line, and added my own static "stanza" link --> https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-setup-a-static-ip-address-on-debian-linux |
| 15:27.32 | tsglove | Yet, when I restart the network, it still has the old ip it took from DHCP |
| 15:27.39 | greycat | Step 1 is to get the name of the interface. Then you can edit that into /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 15:27.46 | tsglove | enp0s3... |
| 15:27.53 | tsglove | Good morning greycat o/ |
| 15:28.14 | greycat | Oh, was it *previously* using DHCP? Then step 1 is to make it stop using DHCP, by doing "ifdown ifname" *before* you edit the file, or by killing the DHCP client daemon by hand. |
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| 15:28.42 | tsglove | THAT! I knew I must be missing something. Lemme go do that... |
| 15:28.46 | greycat | If you do the ifdown *after* you edit the file, then ifdown doesn't know there is a DHCP client daemon running that it needs to kill, because the file says it's static. |
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| 15:29.13 | greycat | So you get surprised a day or a week later. |
| 15:31.17 | tsglove | greycat, thanks. That did it. And I learned ifdown searches the interfaces file |
| 15:31.20 | tsglove | Awesomeness. =) |
| 15:31.59 | greycat | I had to learn this one the hard way too. |
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| 15:33.46 | petn-randall | greycat: You got to take a trip to the datacentre? |
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| 15:34.34 | greycat | My stuff's all smaller scale. Computers are in a locked room on the 5th floor. I'm on the 10th floor currently, but was previously on the 5th floor myself. |
| 15:35.11 | greycat | Mostly it's just "why the hell is my resolv.conf file STILL changing?!?" |
| 15:35.32 | jelly | my solution is "let it change" |
| 15:35.40 | jelly | go with the flow, man |
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| 15:37.47 | petn-randall | Yeah, never touch a running system changing itself. |
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| 16:37.36 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 16:37.36 | dpkg | <SkyDreamer> i'm still laughing at my first attempt <SkyDreamer> i downloaded for 3 days <SkyDreamer> 4 dvd images <SkyDreamer> and to find out there for another machine type :)) <SkyDreamer> thinking alpha is pre-beta or smth |
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| 16:47.36 | SerajewelKS | jelly: i've fought with a netinst before trying to figure out why it wouldn't boot in virtualbox. took me 30+ minutes to realize i clicked arm64 instead of amd64. |
| 16:47.51 | greycat | We've seen that here a few times. |
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| 16:48.50 | petn-randall | :) |
| 16:50.28 | SerajewelKS | one of those moments that makes you rethink your career |
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| 16:50.56 | SerajewelKS | i'm the development lead at my office and i regularly ask my team why they let me be a lead or even touch any of the production systems |
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| 16:52.18 | n4dir | probably the best lead isn't too sure, too self-concsious, etc. Mr-knows-it-all, i for one wouldn't want to work with him. Just a thought. |
| 16:53.06 | SerajewelKS | the more i learn the less sure i am about anything heh |
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| 16:53.16 | n4dir | exactly. |
| 16:53.31 | SerajewelKS | i went through my "i know everything there is to know" phase in high school / college since i started programming early (around 10 years old i think) |
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| 16:54.21 | qiffan | salut! |
| 16:54.22 | SerajewelKS | and ever since then it's been imposter syndrome 24/7 |
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| 17:00.13 | qiffan | ive install "xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu" & "ibdrm-amdgpu1" no sucess in 32bit 3D accel |
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| 17:00.24 | qiffan | rx 570 4gb |
| 17:00.50 | qiffan | any ideia? |
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| 17:10.04 | jelly | qiffan: see whether all the other 32bit userspace is installed, including libgl1-mesa-dri:i386, next to that libdrm-amdgpu1:i386 thing |
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| 17:12.53 | vNistelroot | hi guys! I have a problem and Ive been able to fix it several times without success |
| 17:13.03 | vNistelroot | Ill try to explain it clearly |
| 17:13.23 | jelly | !ask |
| 17:13.23 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 17:13.37 | vNistelroot | dell laptop with a 4k screen, latest nvidia drivers compiled from source |
| 17:14.20 | vNistelroot | it boots at a 3840x2160 |
| 17:14.45 | vNistelroot | tiny fonts, so I switch to a 1920x1080 |
| 17:14.59 | vNistelroot | through nvidia config utility |
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| 17:15.15 | vNistelroot | from now, every application like wireshark, virtualbox, smplayer that I launch |
| 17:15.29 | vNistelroot | it launches with very HUGE fonts which make the application unusable |
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| 17:17.52 | vNistelroot | for some unknown reason, some applications do not resize |
| 17:18.34 | vNistelroot | BUT if I launch them before switching from 3840x2160 to 1920x1080, they launch fine |
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| 17:23.12 | n_1-c_k | vNistelroot: for apps that use Qt, try setting environment variable QT_SCALE_FACTOR=0.5 or so then start the app. |
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| 17:24.32 | vNistelroot | hey n_1-c_k: thks, Ill try that! |
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| 17:26.51 | Thedarkb-T60 | What is unattended-upgr and why is it using all my CPU power? |
| 17:27.01 | greycat | ,info unattended-upgrades |
| 17:27.02 | judd | Package unattended-upgrades (admin, optional) in stretch/amd64: automatic installation of security upgrades. Version: 0.93.1+nmu1; Size: 60.2k; Installed: 246k |
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| 17:27.44 | Thedarkb-T60 | I'd rather be prompted first, even Ubuntu allows that. |
| 17:27.58 | Thedarkb-T60 | Instead of having my computer become unusable for 5 minutes with no warning. |
| 17:28.33 | SerajewelKS | Thedarkb-T60: apt remove unattended-upgrades |
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| 17:29.23 | InvisibleRasta | hey guys i cant run tasksel http://dpaste.com/1AVH0TN |
| 17:31.58 | SerajewelKS | InvisibleRasta: tempfile is provided by debianutils which is a required package. either you don't have it (broken install) or something else is pretty seriously borked. |
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| 17:32.34 | InvisibleRasta | how can i force the reinstall of debianutils |
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| 17:32.47 | petn-randall | Thedarkb-T60: You installed it, so you can also configure it. |
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| 17:33.07 | Thedarkb-T60 | Hmm, did I click the wrong box in the installer? |
| 17:33.22 | SerajewelKS | InvisibleRasta: apt install --reinstall debianutils |
| 17:33.22 | petn-randall | Thedarkb-T60: which installer? Debian doesn't install that by default. |
| 17:33.47 | Thedarkb-T60 | I didn't install unattended-upgr. |
| 17:33.53 | Thedarkb-T60 | I'm sure of it. |
| 17:33.58 | petn-randall | Thedarkb-T60: Then ask the person who did. |
| 17:34.13 | jelly | they installed themselves without attendance. |
| 17:34.18 | jelly | hides |
| 17:34.36 | Thedarkb-T60 | I'm the only one with access, unless it was in the installer or another package installed it, I can't think of how it could've arrived on my system. |
| 17:34.53 | jelly | Thedarkb-T60: which debian release is that, btw? |
| 17:34.53 | n4dir | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.01 | Thedarkb-T60 | Client: HexChat 2.12.4 ⢠OS: Debian 9.5 ⢠CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7400 @ 2.16GHz (1000MHz) ⢠Memory: Physical: 1.9 GiB Total (1.3 GiB Free) Swap: 997.1 MiB Total (683.2 MiB Free) ⢠Storage: 31.9 GB / 59.9 GB (28.0 GB Free) ⢠VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Radeon 8500 LE @ Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS, 943/940GML and 945GT Express Memory Controlle |
| 17:35.02 | Thedarkb-T60 | r Hub ⢠Uptime: 2w 4d 4h 34m 3s |
| 17:35.11 | Thedarkb-T60 | That should answer both jelly and n4dir 's questions. |
| 17:35.17 | S3xyL1nux-q | i am getting this annoying msg |
| 17:35.27 | S3xyL1nux-q | dpkg: warning: files list file for package 'apache2-bin' missing; assuming package has no files currently installed dpkg: warning: files list file for package 'libapache2-mod-dnssd' missing; assuming package has no files currently installed |
| 17:35.27 | dpkg | s3xyl1nux-q: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 17:35.43 | InvisibleRasta | where can i find a guide to install debian from a running os? like boostrap it? |
| 17:35.56 | SerajewelKS | Thedarkb-T60: there's four packages that depend on or recommend unattended-upgrades, perhaps you installed one of them |
| 17:35.56 | jelly | !install guide |
| 17:35.57 | dpkg | stretch installation guide is, like, The Installation Guide for Debian 9 "Stretch" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <stretch release notes>. |
| 17:36.10 | Thedarkb-T60 | SerajewelKS, Which ones are they/ |
| 17:36.16 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: the installation guide covers debootstrap as a method |
| 17:36.18 | S3xyL1nux-q | even though i did uninstall apache |
| 17:36.42 | SerajewelKS | Thedarkb-T60: parl-desktop, plinth, education-common, python3-software-properties |
| 17:36.50 | jelly | Thedarkb-T60: output of "aptitude why unattended-upgrades" might provide a clue |
| 17:36.58 | SerajewelKS | ^ was just going to suggest that too |
| 17:37.28 | SerajewelKS | (note that unattended-upgrades is installed by default on the debian AWS AMIs) |
| 17:37.31 | S3xyL1nux-q | any idea how to remove it |
| 17:38.09 | S3xyL1nux-q | i probably got it after this command "find / -iname '*apache*' -exec rm -rf {} \;" |
| 17:38.14 | jelly | S3xyL1nux-q: apt-get purge both the packages, see if that makes any difference |
| 17:38.33 | n4dir | InvisibleRasta: probably that section of the installation guide: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/apds03.html.en#idm4361 |
| 17:38.40 | SerajewelKS | S3xyL1nux-q: oh jeez why would you do that |
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| 17:38.45 | Thedarkb-T60 | aptitude why unattended-upgrades |
| 17:38.45 | Thedarkb-T60 | i software-properties-common Depends python3-software-properties (= 0.96.20.2-1) |
| 17:38.45 | Thedarkb-T60 | i A python3-software-properties Recommends unattended-upgrades |
| 17:39.10 | jelly | S3xyL1nux-q: reinstall your system. |
| 17:39.19 | S3xyL1nux-q | no f way |
| 17:39.24 | S3xyL1nux-q | really |
| 17:39.25 | jelly | yes way. |
| 17:39.32 | SerajewelKS | S3xyL1nux-q: blindly removing crap that matches a pattern is about the dumbest thing you can do... |
| 17:39.39 | SerajewelKS | ESPECIALLY as root |
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| 17:40.07 | S3xyL1nux-q | who need things related to apache n e ways |
| 17:40.23 | petn-randall | S3xyL1nux-q: What did you expect from running this command? (honest question) |
| 17:40.24 | jelly | SerajewelKS: S3xyL1nux-q has been trolling in a more obvious manner in other channels, btw. Tread with care. |
| 17:40.25 | SerajewelKS | maybe use the package manager |
| 17:40.31 | SerajewelKS | jelly: noted |
| 17:40.51 | S3xyL1nux-q | i run it all time fixed tons of stuff |
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| 17:41.39 | jelly | !next |
| 17:41.39 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 17:42.12 | jelly | ohai! |
| 17:42.25 | S3xyL1nux-q | i did tried to reinstall it ,,, error came up |
| 17:42.32 | jelly | I mean reinstall the OS. |
| 17:42.33 | S3xyL1nux-q | couldnt start service |
| 17:42.35 | petn-randall | grabs some popcorn. |
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| 17:43.16 | petn-randall | puts on anaglyph glasses to see S3xyL1nux-q in 3D. |
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| 17:43.29 | S3xyL1nux-q | i know reinstall os would always be a solution |
| 17:43.35 | jelly | prepares /cs f $a:S3xyL1nux ##arguments |
| 17:43.40 | S3xyL1nux-q | but if u dont know the answer be quit |
| 17:43.43 | petn-randall | S3xyL1nux-q: Glad you understand. Do you have any other question? |
| 17:43.45 | n4dir | ignore can be helpful during the running session, but a few days later you got no clue which question/person everyone is talking about/to. |
| 17:43.46 | S3xyL1nux-q | quite* |
| 17:44.07 | SerajewelKS | is quite |
| 17:44.16 | greycat | Keep guessing! Maybe one day you will stumble over the right spelling! |
| 17:44.18 | jelly | n4dir: I think irssi and weechat have timed ignores |
| 17:44.46 | greycat | irssi definitely does |
| 17:45.04 | n4dir | jelly: irssi, using it on a really basic level, and didn't do much ignores until a few weeks ago. Gotta look in that (or just live with sometimes being clueless what is going on ... ) |
| 17:45.16 | n4dir | thanks for the info. btw. |
| 17:46.45 | S3xyL1nux-q | apt-get purge actully fixed it |
| 17:46.56 | S3xyL1nux-q | thanks no thanks |
| 17:46.58 | S3xyL1nux-q | ;P |
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| 17:47.28 | n4dir | as a fun fact: i set #bash to silent per accident, and was wondering for weeks why no one speaks in #bash anymore ... pretty much that is my level when it comes to irssi ... :-) |
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| 17:49.05 | petn-randall | smells S3xyL1nux-q. |
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| 17:51.46 | InvisibleRasta | hey guys i have been trying for days to get debian running... a bunch of errors allways when i install with debootstrap...i jsut bootstrapped and chrooted and i alredy get first error:http://dpaste.com/36D5M6D |
| 17:52.48 | InvisibleRasta | i followed https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/apds03.html.en#idm4361 |
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| 17:52.55 | InvisibleRasta | part run debootstrap |
| 17:53.01 | InvisibleRasta | after doing that i chrooted |
| 17:53.07 | InvisibleRasta | and tasksel doesnt work |
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| 17:56.25 | vNistelroot | it works |
| 17:56.27 | vNistelroot | :D |
| 17:56.29 | InvisibleRasta | this is kind of turning me off.. seems like the wiki is either outdated or incomplete cause there is no way i messed something up as i run exactly the same commands as described on the wiki and it pulled a broken system |
| 17:57.16 | InvisibleRasta | i have pulled alredy 10 times allway same error... debian install is harder than gentoo's |
| 17:57.20 | InvisibleRasta | been stuck here 3 days |
| 17:57.31 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: installing debian 9? |
| 17:57.35 | InvisibleRasta | yes |
| 17:57.50 | InvisibleRasta | jsut a nightmare |
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| 17:58.00 | vNistelroot | what´s up InvisibleRasta ? |
| 17:58.16 | InvisibleRasta | ..i jsut bootstrapped and chrooted and i alredy get first error:http://dpaste.com/36D5M6D |
| 17:58.51 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: is there a /bin/tempfile in the chroot? |
| 17:59.08 | InvisibleRasta | hmm |
| 17:59.30 | InvisibleRasta | yes |
| 17:59.54 | jelly | if you run just that, does it do something and provide output? |
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| 18:00.27 | InvisibleRasta | i get this:c/tmp/filejFyqBA |
| 18:00.35 | jelly | is that c a typo? |
| 18:00.42 | InvisibleRasta | yeah sorry |
| 18:00.47 | InvisibleRasta | i misstype |
| 18:01.00 | jelly | that seems fine then, weird it would stop at that line |
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| 18:02.10 | InvisibleRasta | jelly: D.3.3. Run debootstrap is the part of the wiki i followed word by word |
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| 18:02.30 | InvisibleRasta | with amd64 as arch |
| 18:03.31 | greycat | the fact that /bin/tempfile runs means you have the right arch |
| 18:03.31 | InvisibleRasta | i am on amd64 system jsut its archlinux |
| 18:05.19 | InvisibleRasta | no idea whats going on |
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| 18:08.37 | vNistelroot | sorry InvisibleRasta I was fixing a 4k font scalling issue and didnt read about your problem |
| 18:08.49 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: can you "apt-get install strace", "strace -ofirst.strace -efork,execve -f tasksel" and pastebin the first.strace file |
| 18:09.01 | InvisibleRasta | http://dpaste.com/04EWMZT jsut nothing works with the method described in the wiki |
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| 18:09.09 | InvisibleRasta | even apt update is out of the box erroring |
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| 18:09.59 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: you can ignore the locale-related warnings. However if you don't even get to the debconf dialog box with tasksel, something's wrong |
| 18:10.39 | InvisibleRasta | jelly: http://dpaste.com/0T2Q6FJ |
| 18:10.44 | InvisibleRasta | this errors aswell |
| 18:10.47 | InvisibleRasta | i cant do anything |
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| 18:11.04 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: is debian-archive-keyring installed? |
| 18:11.18 | jelly | "dpkg -l debian-archive-keyring" |
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| 18:12.17 | InvisibleRasta | jelly: http://dpaste.com/3SVVF44 |
| 18:12.57 | jelly | that seems fine. |
| 18:13.31 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: run "apt-get update" first, then retry installing strace. You could also run strace from outside the chroot as an alternative. |
| 18:14.18 | jelly | strace -f -ooutput.file chroot /path/to/debian /usr/bin/tasksel |
| 18:14.35 | jelly | oh, forgot the -e filter |
| 18:14.40 | InvisibleRasta | that errors aswell http://dpaste.com/1AM4B50 |
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| 18:15.27 | jelly | you have other problems there. |
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| 18:16.10 | Devastator | couldn't this just be disk error or corrupt downloads? |
| 18:16.11 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: is the filesystem full? You got any errors in dmesg (outside chroot)? |
| 18:16.21 | InvisibleRasta | no |
| 18:16.28 | jelly | which fs type? |
| 18:16.30 | InvisibleRasta | its a btrfs subvolume |
| 18:16.52 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: try to create a 1GB file on it. |
| 18:17.09 | InvisibleRasta | i have 53gb free |
| 18:17.28 | jelly | and not a sparse one, but one full of zeros. |
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| 18:18.00 | jelly | btrfs can have weird issues. |
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| 18:18.49 | SerajewelKS | i love the idea of btrfs but i've heard of so much weird stuff happening that i don't trust it in production yet |
| 18:19.30 | InvisibleRasta | output.file is like 30k lines long jelly |
| 18:19.43 | InvisibleRasta | where i uplad it? |
| 18:20.14 | SerajewelKS | !paste |
| 18:20.15 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net or https://0bin.net/ | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 18:20.28 | SerajewelKS | InvisibleRasta: there is an option to upload a file at the bottom of the form |
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| 18:21.40 | InvisibleRasta | jelly: https://file.io/dx2DFB thats the output file |
| 18:21.43 | InvisibleRasta | of strace |
| 18:21.52 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: um. Add -efork,execve to strace options. |
| 18:22.15 | jelly | file.io link said 404 |
| 18:22.36 | InvisibleRasta | jelly what? |
| 18:22.50 | Devastator | InvisibleRasta the link is invalid |
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| 18:23.02 | Devastator | it is giving 404 here as well |
| 18:23.07 | InvisibleRasta | sudo strace -efork,execve -f -output.file chroot /mnt/subvol /usr/bin/tasksel |
| 18:23.10 | InvisibleRasta | like this? |
| 18:23.14 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: strace -f -efork,execve -ooutput.file chroot /path/to/debian /usr/bin/tasksel |
| 18:23.18 | jelly | right |
| 18:23.37 | jelly | yours will create "utput.file" |
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| 18:24.57 | InvisibleRasta | https://file.io/FpI4pK |
| 18:25.25 | InvisibleRasta | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.27 | InvisibleRasta | dunno |
| 18:27.05 | jelly | execve("/usr/local/sbin/whiptail", # that does not look right |
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| 18:27.13 | InvisibleRasta | thisis all i ran to get the system up as described on wiki /usr/sbin/debootstrap --arch amd64 stretch /mnt/subvolume |
| 18:27.19 | InvisibleRasta | and all this errors come with it |
| 18:27.31 | InvisibleRasta | idk if u want to try |
| 18:27.36 | InvisibleRasta | u mihg tget the same errors |
| 18:27.46 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: ls -ld /mnt/subvolume/usr/local/sbin/whiptail |
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| 18:28.49 | jelly | you shouldn't have _anything_ in /usr/local/sbin in a clean debootstrapped chroot |
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| 18:29.04 | InvisibleRasta | its empty |
| 18:29.24 | jelly | oh. I'm tired. |
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| 18:30.07 | jelly | well this looks as if tasksel starts, and it opens a dialog with some choices |
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| 18:30.23 | InvisibleRasta | drwxrwsr-x 1 root games 0 Nov 15 19:43 /mnt/subvol/usr/local/sbin |
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| 18:31.15 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: yeah, sorry about that, that /usr/local/sbin thing was my misinterpretation, ignore that |
| 18:31.38 | jelly | does tasksel actually show a text dialog thing? |
| 18:32.18 | InvisibleRasta | yes it shows its own ncurses gui |
| 18:32.30 | InvisibleRasta | then i pick for example XFCE press enter |
| 18:32.33 | InvisibleRasta | and it closes down |
| 18:33.09 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: you pick with space and cursors, when you're done _then_ tab and enter |
| 18:33.18 | InvisibleRasta | exactly |
| 18:33.43 | jelly | but there's still the fact that apt-get update gets corrupted or incomplete files |
| 18:34.02 | InvisibleRasta | try to run the bootstrap command if u want |
| 18:34.09 | InvisibleRasta | ull probably get the same errors |
| 18:34.14 | InvisibleRasta | as i ahvent touched anything |
| 18:34.21 | InvisibleRasta | jsut clean bootstrap and this is what i got |
| 18:34.24 | InvisibleRasta | a broken everything |
| 18:34.32 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: I don't have a btrfs, and I run debootstrap on a weekly basis |
| 18:34.49 | InvisibleRasta | i dnt htink it has anything to do with btrfs |
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| 18:35.12 | jelly | nevertheless. |
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| 18:35.42 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: can you try a different fs type as backend, say ext4? |
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| 18:36.50 | InvisibleRasta | dont actually have a spare disk |
| 18:37.24 | jelly | create a 1GB file and do a mkfs.ext4 on it |
| 18:37.49 | InvisibleRasta | ok ill have to check a wii |
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| 18:37.51 | InvisibleRasta | wiki |
| 18:37.55 | InvisibleRasta | no idea on how to do that |
| 18:38.12 | jelly | or 8GB if you want to try installing xfce afterwards |
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| 18:38.38 | greycat | dd if=/dev/zero bs=1048576 count=1024 of=somefile; mkfs.ext4 somefile |
| 18:38.39 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/subvolume/disk1.img bs=1M count=8192 |
| 18:38.56 | greycat | or whatever sizes seem appropriate |
| 18:39.37 | jelly | that will also test the theory that btrfs is confused and can't write files properly |
| 18:40.25 | InvisibleRasta | it created the file without any error |
| 18:40.48 | InvisibleRasta | it mkfs'ed properly |
| 18:40.50 | InvisibleRasta | no errors |
| 18:41.15 | jelly | create a new empty dir for a mountpoint, and mount -o loop /mnt/subvolume/disk1.img /new/dir |
| 18:41.30 | jelly | then see if you can debootstrap there |
| 18:42.19 | InvisibleRasta | ok |
| 18:42.26 | InvisibleRasta | debootstrapping |
| 18:42.29 | InvisibleRasta | alredy on it |
| 18:42.33 | InvisibleRasta | will take a while |
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| 18:42.38 | InvisibleRasta | bad connection |
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| 18:43.34 | jelly | because those bz2 and apt-key errors are weird |
| 18:43.35 | InvisibleRasta | jelly: after the bootstrap what shall i do? |
| 18:44.02 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: same thing I guess. Run tasksel, pick something, see what happens |
| 18:44.19 | InvisibleRasta | how to chroot? do i mount anything? |
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| 18:44.45 | jelly | the same way you did last time? |
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| 18:45.00 | InvisibleRasta | ok |
| 18:45.07 | InvisibleRasta | tought maybe i was failing there |
| 18:45.17 | InvisibleRasta | cause the wiki doesnt tell to mount stuff |
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| 18:46.12 | jelly | if you wanted to install a kernel and boot from this debian installation you'd need to bind-mount some stuff temporarily |
| 18:46.29 | InvisibleRasta | yeah |
| 18:46.31 | InvisibleRasta | well that after |
| 18:47.08 | InvisibleRasta | so i repulled once again on a new btrfs subvolume... same tasksel error... the ext4 is still retriving packages |
| 18:47.59 | jelly | (it won't be possible to boot from this installation on a loopback file easily; we're doing this to confirm or deny problems happen with on a specific fs type) |
| 18:48.17 | InvisibleRasta | allright |
| 18:48.51 | InvisibleRasta | debootstrap ended on disk1 |
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| 18:49.54 | InvisibleRasta | jelly: same exact error http://dpaste.com/3XMNR88 |
| 18:50.06 | InvisibleRasta | tasksel opens, i select xfce tab enter |
| 18:50.08 | InvisibleRasta | and it closes |
| 18:50.15 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: and apt-get update ? |
| 18:50.36 | rant | how does one get adobe flash these days? |
| 18:50.56 | InvisibleRasta | jelly: http://dpaste.com/0MAJHFY |
| 18:50.58 | InvisibleRasta | same errors |
| 18:51.11 | jelly | rant: uh, I install google-chrome-stable and use it only for flash and other irrelevant stuff |
| 18:51.39 | rant | hmm.. |
| 18:52.13 | rant | https://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player.html points me to apt:adobe-flashplugin?channel=$distro-partner which my system is not configured to handle those |
| 18:52.39 | rant | I suppose I could try chrome but I was trying to see if this would work in FF |
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| 18:53.04 | InvisibleRasta | im in a kind of give up mood almost |
| 18:53.04 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: md5sum /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/debian-archive-stretch-stable.gpg |
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| 18:53.23 | InvisibleRasta | 829333ce438185f23bd9c122a19ef25d /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/debian-archive-stretch-stable.gpg |
| 18:53.27 | jelly | 829333ce438185f23bd9c122a19ef25d is fine |
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| 18:56.01 | InvisibleRasta | jelly: so its fine |
| 18:56.29 | InvisibleRasta | i think something is screwed up with the debootstrap |
| 18:56.41 | InvisibleRasta | something weird going on with latest updates or so? |
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| 19:00.31 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: inside chroot, are there any files ls -ld /var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org*_Release |
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| 19:02.06 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: or /var/lib/apt/lists/cdn-aws.deb.debian.org*_Release |
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| 19:05.20 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: if there are any, and a matching Release.gpg, try to run "/usr/bin/apt-key --readonly verify /var/lib/apt/lists/..._stretch_Release.gpg /var/lib/apt/lists/..._stretch_Release" and see if it fails |
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| 19:06.25 | jelly | but debootstrap itself would have tried to verify the packages I think, so it's weird apt inside base system chroot would fail |
| 19:07.42 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: you might also try a different debian mirror, perhaps one in your country |
| 19:07.44 | InvisibleRasta | one second please, i tried to repull everything but with a newer version of debootstrap |
| 19:07.58 | jelly | (what does repull mean) |
| 19:08.14 | InvisibleRasta | well run debootstrap agan with a new version of debootstrap |
| 19:08.22 | jelly | ,v debootstrap |
| 19:08.23 | judd | Package: debootstrap on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.48+deb7u4; jessie: 1.0.67+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 1.0.89~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.0.89; stretch-backports: 1.0.110~bpo9+1; buster: 1.0.110; sid: 1.0.110 |
| 19:08.42 | jelly | I guess anything 1.0.89 or newer should work |
| 19:09.01 | InvisibleRasta | debootstrap-git 1.0.110.r0.g0a4c80c-1 |
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| 19:09.22 | jelly | no promises about git master :-) |
| 19:09.47 | InvisibleRasta | nothing same tasksel error |
| 19:10.00 | Tenkawa | what error? |
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| 19:10.15 | Tenkawa | just got here |
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| 19:10.29 | InvisibleRasta | http://dpaste.com/04580R9 |
| 19:10.42 | Tenkawa | ok let me take a look |
| 19:10.46 | InvisibleRasta | this one^ i select the packages in tasksel and when i press ok it shutdowns with this error |
| 19:11.31 | Tenkawa | ahhhh |
| 19:11.51 | Tenkawa | I bet your env isnt setting a TMP/TEMPDIR var |
| 19:11.53 | InvisibleRasta | jelly: nothing in/var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 19:12.03 | Tenkawa | (not sure which it uses) |
| 19:12.10 | InvisibleRasta | Tenkawa: how to do so |
| 19:12.24 | Tenkawa | it should already be doing it |
| 19:13.10 | Tenkawa | theres some variables that get cross set when these scripts run |
| 19:13.27 | Tenkawa | I notice your locales arent set either |
| 19:13.31 | jelly | him running tempfile manually showed a quite default /tmp/fileXXXXXX output |
| 19:14.28 | Tenkawa | theres a fair amount of env vars possibly throwing it off |
| 19:14.40 | jelly | and tempfile obeys TMPDIR |
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| 19:16.20 | Tenkawa | he needs to make sure /var/tmp doesnt go into the abyss too |
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| 19:17.33 | InvisibleRasta | not sure what u man |
| 19:17.33 | Tenkawa | because if it somehow disappears or gets messed up it can definitely act unusyal as we know |
| 19:17.34 | InvisibleRasta | mean |
| 19:17.51 | Tenkawa | whats ls -lad /var/tmp output |
| 19:18.37 | InvisibleRasta | drwxrwxrwt 1 root root 0 Oct 20 10:40 /var/tmp/ |
| 19:18.54 | Tenkawa | that looks good |
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| 19:19.35 | Tenkawa | this one is definitely intriguing |
| 19:20.15 | jelly | InvisibleRasta: they are not fatal, but if you're annoyed you can get rid of locale warnings by doing "export LC_ALL=C", or by doing unset for each LC_* and LANG and LANGUAGE variable set |
| 19:20.44 | jelly | "env" will tell you which env. vars are present |
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| 19:20.57 | Tenkawa | or dpkg-reconfigure locales and just fix it right? |
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| 19:21.22 | Tenkawa | (then logout/login) |
| 19:21.37 | InvisibleRasta | bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found |
| 19:21.47 | Tenkawa | huh????? |
| 19:21.48 | jelly | Tenkawa: they're doing a debootstrap install |
| 19:21.52 | Tenkawa | oh |
| 19:22.04 | Tenkawa | no system at all yet |
| 19:22.17 | InvisibleRasta | jsut the bootstrapped stuff |
| 19:22.20 | greycat | Lemme guess... he's debootstrapping unstable or testing and PATH is fucked up because of the su change? |
| 19:22.22 | InvisibleRasta | as i cant get past installing anything else |
| 19:22.30 | jelly | no,stretch |
| 19:23.10 | greycat | well, dpkg-reconfigure is in debconf which is "Priority: required" |
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| 19:23.36 | greycat | and it's in /usr/sbin/ which means PATH is probably wrong, but I suppose debconf could be missing or misinstalled somehow |
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| 19:29.49 | InvisibleRasta | what a difficult task installing debian god |
| 19:30.02 | InvisibleRasta | being harder than arch and gentoo so far |
| 19:30.03 | InvisibleRasta | lol |
| 19:30.50 | Tenkawa | its always been easy for me |
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| 19:31.07 | Tenkawa | what media did you use btw? |
| 19:31.18 | Tenkawa | to debootstrap |
| 19:31.22 | Tenkawa | http? cd? |
| 19:31.42 | Syndrom | InvisibleRasta: i used postfix, because it has an irc channel |
| 19:32.35 | InvisibleRasta | Tenkawa: i used the wiki https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/apds03.html.en#idm4386 |
| 19:32.40 | InvisibleRasta | the same exact commands |
| 19:32.58 | greycat | That's not a wiki. Those are the official release notes. |
| 19:34.28 | bites | maybe it's an incomplete install if --arch is passed? |
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| 19:35.09 | InvisibleRasta | i used --arch amd64 |
| 19:36.20 | bites | what kind of system do you run debootstrap from? |
| 19:36.32 | InvisibleRasta | archlinux amd64 |
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| 19:37.22 | bites | is there a /debootstrap/debootstrap inside the new system? |
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| 19:42.20 | InvisibleRasta | bites cant find it |
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| 19:46.55 | saint_ | hi all - can someone tell me what script starts the network interfaces when a system boots in runlevel 5 ? |
| 19:47.04 | saint_ | i can t find anything related to networking in rc5.d |
| 19:47.20 | greycat | There aren't any run levels by default now, since Debian switched to systemd as the default in jessie. |
| 19:47.28 | greycat | And even before then, the default run level was always 2. |
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| 19:47.50 | greycat | So, it's highly likely you're looking for the wrong things in the wrong places. |
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| 19:48.09 | saint_ | greycat i m looking at a debian, and i see rc#.d folders in /etc |
| 19:48.19 | greycat | What does "cat /etc/debian_version" say? |
| 19:48.25 | bites | it's likely the networking service. systemctl status networking |
| 19:48.32 | saint_ | 95 |
| 19:48.34 | saint_ | 9.5 |
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| 19:49.01 | greycat | OK, you can jump right to bites's command, or you can verify whether you're running systemd with "ls -ld /sbin/init" |
| 19:49.01 | Tenkawa | the better question is what are you trying to do/change/accomplish |
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| 19:49.46 | saint_ | Tenkawa i was looking at a sip.multicast registration not working, and failing because it starts before the network adapter is ready. |
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| 19:50.04 | saint_ | just trying to figure out how i can place this multicast registation after the network is started |
| 19:50.46 | greycat | saint_: if this is a server or a stationary workstation, and if you're NOT using network-manager, go into /etc/network/interfaces and change "allow-hotplug" to "auto" on whichever interface(s) are necessary for services to be started |
| 19:50.48 | InvisibleRasta | well thank you guys, im giving up installing debian. no idea whats wrong |
| 19:50.53 | InvisibleRasta | thank you for help anyway |
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| 19:51.15 | greycat | Marking an interface as "auto" will mean things will wait for it to come up before being started. If it's "allow-hotplug", things will NOT wait for it. |
| 19:51.19 | saint_ | greycat will check it out. thanks a ton |
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| 19:52.10 | Guest82625 | good afternoon |
| 19:52.22 | Tenkawa | greycat: do you ever use the cross compilers in debian? |
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| 19:52.41 | Tenkawa | greycat: someone has been maintaining them well |
| 19:52.53 | Tenkawa | imo |
| 19:52.54 | greycat | No, I haven't attempted a cross-compile in ages. |
| 19:53.16 | Tenkawa | been doing arm stuff lately |
| 19:53.23 | Tenkawa | and it works great |
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| 19:54.32 | Tenkawa | looks outside and sees the snow continue to fall |
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| 19:58.10 | talin | hello. has anyone managed to analyse core dumps after the introduction of systemd? |
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| 19:58.17 | saint_ | greycat it's already setup to auto :/ |
| 19:58.29 | saint_ | I'll keep looking for different things. thanks anyway |
| 19:58.41 | talin | i have installed systemd-coredumpctl, but there is no core_pattern etc |
| 19:59.02 | greycat | saint_: well, verify what /sbin/init points to, and if it's systemd, you can use various systemctl and journalctl commands to get a LOT of info |
| 19:59.34 | greycat | saint_: the /etc/rc2.d/ (and so on) directories are for legacy packages that still use init.d scripts, of which there are still a few. |
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| 20:01.13 | saint_ | greycat it is systemd. i will check the journalctl trick. thank you ! |
| 20:02.42 | bites | saint_: how is this sip multicast registration thingy started? if you have a systemd unit for it, you can make it start after network-online.target |
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| 20:06.18 | Ede|Popede | does debian have some tools on board which would allow for hardware checks? i have a HD-USB-adapter here which can consider itself lucky i don't own a pumpgun. it makes the system irregularly "reset high-speed USB device number $n using ehci-pci", sometimes even mounting is a problem. |
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| 20:14.30 | saint_ | greycat i m trying to investigate this part. it looks like there is a ton of home made services in /lib/systemd/system/ |
| 20:15.03 | saint_ | but i am not sure in what order they start. all i know is the sip multicast starts within one of those home-made files. i m trying to find out |
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| 20:15.24 | saint_ | clear |
| 20:15.28 | saint_ | oops, wrong screen |
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| 20:19.34 | Tenkawa | Ede|Popede: have you looked up the specific device/controller and seen if it might need a module/quirk added at boot for that behaviour |
| 20:19.41 | Tenkawa | some are like that |
| 20:19.57 | Tenkawa | mind you some are just broke ( I have one ) |
| 20:20.22 | Ede|Popede | Tenkawa: it does what it is supposed to, as long as it works ;) |
| 20:21.00 | Ede|Popede | i think it's either firmware (router like: restart regularly or it will give you problems) or electric possibly |
| 20:21.44 | Ede|Popede | sometimes it helps to use another port, sometimes i unpower it for a minute or so |
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| 20:24.09 | Ede|Popede | whoosh. and again it is gone -.- |
| 20:24.40 | Tenkawa | what activity is it doing when it happens |
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| 20:26.54 | Ede|Popede | atm i am playing a video from that disk. sometimes it happens while copying files. or as said, even on mount (or right after cable connect). or did you mean, what does it say? |
| 20:28.02 | Ede|Popede | 3 resets in a row now |
| 20:28.08 | Ede|Popede | 4 |
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| 20:29.51 | Tenkawa | in the logs |
| 20:30.11 | Ede|Popede | even have to wait for the umount now. i could have forced it or maybe even be rude and unplug (mount -o ro is a good friend) |
| 20:30.18 | Tenkawa | there should be something in /var/log/messages |
| 20:30.39 | Tenkawa | that might catch a cause |
| 20:30.52 | Ede|Popede | it is on the other pc atm, but i hav tail running anyway along with that thing |
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| 20:33.03 | Ede|Popede | i'll give it another try and see what it logs, should it hang again |
| 20:33.31 | Tenkawa | ok |
| 20:35.08 | Ede|Popede | but i know these situations. i bet it will run now without any problems, only because i am watching it -.- |
| 20:35.39 | Tenkawa | heheh i hear ya |
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| 20:44.01 | Ede|Popede | btw, my syslogs is filled with DHCPREQUEST. found this on frequency: Normally, a client will renew the lease part way through, perhaps 1/2 or 2/3, of the lease time. [...] Normally, it's 7200 seconds // As the client gets closer to the end of the lease it will start to panic and send out lots of requests for renewal.. When the lease finally expires then it would send out discover.. |
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| 20:44.30 | Ede|Popede | i didn't touch anything relevant after install, so how often should this happen? |
| 20:45.27 | Tenkawa | not sure myself |
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| 20:46.51 | Ede|Popede | around 15 to 20 seconds here between requests. feels like a lot. |
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| 20:52.46 | jhutchins_wk | Wow, every 15-20 seconds here too. That does seem noisy. |
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| 20:54.10 | greycat | Well then the question is why your DHCP server isn't ack-ing your DHCPREQUESTs. |
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| 20:56.06 | jhutchins_wk | state changed bound -> bound ... lease time 1200 |
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| 20:56.33 | RoyK | lease and renew times can be tuned |
| 20:56.46 | greycat | that lease time is crazy short |
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| 20:57.46 | Tenkawa | I hate dhcp |
| 20:57.56 | jhutchins_wk | my home system, on the other hand, hasn't logged dhcp since the last time the log rotated. |
| 20:58.08 | RoyK | greycat: depends how many IP addresses you have - at work, we have even lower, but that's for clients on official IPv4 clients, and as you may know, there's not a lot left of IPv4 addresses |
| 20:58.24 | RoyK | Tenkawa: why? it's used by millions and it works well |
| 20:58.27 | Tenkawa | I still remember having to keep dhcp servers from colliding |
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| 20:58.39 | jhutchins_wk | This is a VM on Virtualbox, not sure wha they run on the local net. |
| 20:58.49 | Tenkawa | RoyK: until people start to create a mess with it |
| 20:59.00 | Tenkawa | jhutchins_wk: exactly |
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| 20:59.32 | Tenkawa | unless they are presenting these vms to the outside |
| 20:59.34 | greycat | RoyK: there are plenty of addresses for local use |
| 20:59.44 | Tenkawa | then they can port forward |
| 20:59.56 | Tenkawa | for 90+% of the cases |
| 21:00.57 | jhutchins_wk | RoyK: So you're saying they have the lease times short for better address scavenging? |
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| 21:06.00 | greycat | If it's "we painted ourselves into a corner, this subnet uses a tiny range that was allocated when we had 6 people, and now there are 20 people and they all have multiple devices..." then I can understand. |
| 21:06.01 | Ede|Popede | greycat: he does, roundabout every 50 mins. then the next request is broadcast, then it starts all over again. |
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| 21:06.46 | greycat | Then there should not be a DHCPREQUEST every 15-20 seconds from a single host. Or did I misunderstand the complaint? |
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| 21:07.26 | velix | Oh, there's UFW on Debian 9 already? Is it default? I'm still using iptables. |
| 21:07.27 | Ede|Popede | and md5= 649563ef7a61912664a400a5263958a6 dhclient.conf (unchanged, dated 3/3/08) |
| 21:08.06 | greycat | ufw is a layer that sits on top of iptables. It's not an "instead of" thing. |
| 21:08.24 | Ede|Popede | not sure if even a complaint, it just seems quite often to me. atm trying to find the old logs from before stitch install |
| 21:09.31 | velix | greycat: sorry :( |
| 21:10.06 | greycat | ,v ufw |
| 21:10.07 | judd | Package: ufw on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.31.1-2; jessie: 0.33-2; stretch: 0.35-4; buster: 0.35-6; sid: 0.35-6 |
| 21:10.09 | greycat | been here a while. |
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| 21:15.49 | Ede|Popede | found a log which should be from squeeze (used it 'til its death). after ACK no request for around 25 mins. classic ping pong game. |
| 21:17.34 | annadane | is !nvidia dkms basically the way you're "supposed" to install the proprietary nvidia driver? |
| 21:17.44 | Ede|Popede | dhclient.conf nearly the same (most of them commented out anyway), so maybe there is a different default now built in? |
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| 21:23.24 | LtL | I get these too for hours on end, debian dhclient[585]: DHCPREQUEST of 10.100.67.228 on wlp3s0 every 10-15 secs |
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| 21:24.25 | LtL | I seem to recall a dhclient update fairly recently.. could be wrong. |
| 21:24.26 | greycat | Why isn't your DHCP server responding to them? |
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| 21:24.53 | greycat | Nov 13 14:49:30 wooledg dhclient[536]: DHCPREQUEST of 10.76.172.97 on eth0 to 10 |
| 21:24.53 | greycat | Nov 13 14:49:30 wooledg dhclient[536]: DHCPACK of 10.76.172.97 from 10.127.1.4 |
| 21:25.13 | LtL | greycat: don't know, i'm assuming it's from a entire network rebuild here recently |
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| 21:25.53 | LtL | I have no access to it or the admins. |
| 21:26.12 | Ede|Popede | do DHCP servers have some ignore time when they simply don't care for repeated requests? |
| 21:26.13 | greycat | Then I don't think there's anything we can do for you. |
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| 21:27.36 | LtL | this message started at the same time 'wpa_supplicant[575]: TDLS: Invalid frame' every few seconds, I filter these with rsyslog.conf |
| 21:27.46 | Tenkawa | greycat: i wasnt paying close attention.. did you have him clean out the interface.leases files and recycle the client? |
| 21:27.57 | greycat | I didn't do anything at all. |
| 21:28.00 | Tenkawa | just in case it was caching stuff |
| 21:28.06 | LtL | greycat: yeah i know, just curious others see the dhcp stuff too. |
| 21:28.23 | Tenkawa | it could be ignoring because of that |
| 21:28.25 | greycat | LtL: well in my case, the DHCPREQUEST is answered with a DHCPACK from the server in less than 1 second. |
| 21:28.34 | Tenkawa | its done it to me |
| 21:28.39 | greycat | And then everyone's happy for the next 100,000 seconds or so. |
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| 21:29.08 | Ede|Popede | so it is the client who's not happy while it should be. only: why? |
| 21:29.20 | agio | hi, my Xorg is suddenly really slow. its really sluggish to redraw windows. (its like my local windows are running via an SSH session) Xorg is using like 90% CPU. Any ideas on how to debug? |
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| 21:29.27 | LtL | greycat: i know that *should* happen but doesn't, i should grep logs to see if it ever does. i never lose connectivity. |
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| 21:29.46 | Tenkawa | because it thinks everythink is already in place until a set time |
| 21:30.02 | Tenkawa | unless an ack is pushed back from the server |
| 21:30.18 | Tenkawa | saying "give me my lease back" |
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| 21:31.42 | Tenkawa | I always look in /var/lib/dhcp* and see if it created any leases files |
| 21:31.52 | SerajewelKS | is there any technical reason why it's not feasible to perform an online shrink of ext filesystems other than "nobody has written the supporting kernel code to make it happen?" |
| 21:32.42 | SerajewelKS | it seems like the kind of feature that would have already appeared by now if there wasn't some insurmountable technical challenge |
| 21:33.29 | LtL | I show a DHCPACK at 05 hundred hours today, 2311 lines of DHCPREQUEST since 5am |
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| 21:34.18 | Tenkawa | LtL: look in /var/lib/dhcp* |
| 21:34.23 | LtL | i tell the admins of the building the network is phucked up, they don't listen |
| 21:34.35 | Tenkawa | whats the timestamps on the leases files |
| 21:34.52 | Ede|Popede | here: dhclient.eth0.leases, 0b |
| 21:35.27 | Tenkawa | is it physically cabled or wifi? |
| 21:35.34 | greycat | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1532 Nov 15 00:59 dhclient.eth0.leases |
| 21:35.34 | greycat | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Apr 10 2017 dhclient.leases |
| 21:35.58 | LtL | Tenkawa: http://paste.debian.net/1051918/ |
| 21:36.10 | greycat | I don't know all the details of these things, but I'm giving mine for comparison on the theory that mine is "working correctly". |
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| 21:36.30 | Tenkawa | reading |
| 21:36.44 | Tenkawa | greycat: yours looks better |
| 21:37.14 | Tenkawa | ok |
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| 21:37.21 | Tenkawa | lets try this |
| 21:37.29 | Tenkawa | LtL: look in /var/lib/dhc* |
| 21:37.44 | Tenkawa | they might be dhclient.lease* |
| 21:37.53 | Tenkawa | the other ones were all blank |
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| 21:38.53 | LtL | Tenkawa: same thing |
| 21:38.59 | Ede|Popede | <<< cable internet. unity or whoever is the owner now :> |
| 21:39.14 | Tenkawa | yeah you arent getting "anything" |
| 21:39.29 | LtL | this didn't happen until they re-did the network recently |
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| 21:39.38 | Tenkawa | are you cabled or wifi? |
| 21:39.45 | agio | weird, I just killed my urxvt terminals, and now Xorg is at full speed again... |
| 21:39.45 | PLC | hi' there |
| 21:40.06 | LtL | wifi at 2.5 mbps d/l speed |
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| 21:40.22 | PLC | I need help to activate extensions on php-fpm under apache (multi PHP version) |
| 21:40.26 | LtL | which sucks tremendously |
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| 21:40.55 | Tenkawa | yeah something is very odd..... |
| 21:40.58 | PLC | Must I have to setting up php.ini file, or another way is used under Debian 9 ? |
| 21:40.58 | Tenkawa | oh wait |
| 21:41.04 | Tenkawa | do me a favor |
| 21:41.19 | Tenkawa | this is a longshot |
| 21:41.28 | Tenkawa | run sudo rfkill |
| 21:41.29 | SerajewelKS | PLC: see phpenmod |
| 21:41.40 | Tenkawa | rfkill list |
| 21:41.40 | LtL | Tenkawa: me? |
| 21:41.41 | PLC | ohhh thanks ! |
| 21:41.44 | Tenkawa | yes |
| 21:41.45 | SerajewelKS | PLC: np |
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| 21:41.56 | Tenkawa | anything blocked? |
| 21:41.59 | PLC | come on ⦠|
| 21:42.00 | agio | PLC: I think there is a folder which extends the php ini file - thats how debian enables extensions |
| 21:42.00 | PLC | :p |
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| 21:42.20 | LtL | Tenkawa: command not found, that was as root |
| 21:42.21 | SerajewelKS | agio: yes, using the phpenmod and phpdismod scripts |
| 21:42.36 | PLC | soo simple |
| 21:42.37 | Tenkawa | ok you dont have the utility installed |
| 21:42.52 | LtL | Tenkawa: i'm blocking nothing, this is on 'them' |
| 21:43.02 | PLC | I didn't look good exe ⦠like a2moden ⦠|
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| 21:43.13 | Tenkawa | no.. the internal radio can do it on its own |
| 21:43.19 | LtL | one sec Tenkawa |
| 21:43.28 | Tenkawa | for several reasons.... ok |
| 21:43.34 | PLC | WARNING: Module mbstring ini file doesn't exist under /etc/php/5.6/mods-available |
| 21:43.37 | PLC | soo ok |
| 21:43.55 | PLC | but I 've multy version of php⦠it is on PHP7.2 |
| 21:44.01 | agio | SerajewelKS: does phpen mod do the `apt-get install php-<MODULE>' command for you? or does it only enable the symlinks? |
| 21:44.48 | LtL | Tenkawa: rfkill ...and? i tried rfkill wifi |
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| 21:44.59 | Tenkawa | rfkill list |
| 21:45.05 | PLC | ok , i do it again wit this version, just for testing ^^ |
| 21:45.09 | Tenkawa | anything blocked? |
| 21:45.21 | SerajewelKS | agio: it enables something already installed |
| 21:45.27 | LtL | Tenkawa: nada |
| 21:45.30 | Tenkawa | ok |
| 21:45.45 | LtL | its not me, i'm nearly positive |
| 21:45.51 | SerajewelKS | agio: i think most sysadmins don't want scripts magically going and installing crap |
| 21:45.51 | Tenkawa | your interfaces are sending their side fine then |
| 21:46.01 | Tenkawa | it seems |
| 21:46.23 | agio | SerajewelKS: cool. do you know if debian has any docs on phpenmod? there doesn't seem to be anything in the PHP wiki: |
| 21:46.24 | agio | https://wiki.debian.org/PHP |
| 21:46.31 | LtL | Tenkawa: thanks for the tips dude. |
| 21:46.34 | Tenkawa | good luck though |
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| 21:47.01 | Tenkawa | no problem... I like networking stuff so I really like working on this |
| 21:47.13 | Tenkawa | ran an ISP for years |
| 21:47.16 | SerajewelKS | agio: there isn't even a manpage from what i can tell |
| 21:47.44 | SerajewelKS | agio: running the command with no arguments shows a pretty straightforward usage summary though |
| 21:47.54 | PLC | SerajewelKS: which file phpenmod modifi / or link |
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| 21:53.12 | annadane | is !nvidia dkms basically the way you're "supposed" to install the proprietary nvidia driver? |
| 21:53.30 | SerajewelKS | annadane: if you don't want to break your system |
| 21:53.48 | somiaj | I think you can omit the last step |
| 21:53.50 | somiaj | !nvidia dkms |
| 21:53.50 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
| 21:54.16 | SerajewelKS | PLC: it symlinks into various conf.d directories under /etc/php |
| 21:54.23 | somiaj | yea, the whole mkdir and echo -e blah I don't think is required any more (it still works, but I think the package will install stuff to use the nvidia driver for you now) |
| 21:54.54 | PLC | okok :) |
| 21:54.56 | somiaj | Unsure if it was stretch or buster that first did that though, I think it was stretch. |
| 21:55.14 | SerajewelKS | i think the recommended package is now nvidia-driver |
| 21:56.16 | SerajewelKS | which depends on the dkms package as well as the xorg driver, gl driver, etc |
| 21:56.27 | SerajewelKS | if you want one of those you probably want them all |
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| 21:57.27 | somiaj | the dkms package will pull in everything you need too (at least did for me last time), but I agree, the nvidia-driver package wraps it up better. |
| 21:57.53 | annadane | so in other words !nvidia dkms minus mkdir and echo |
| 21:58.53 | somiaj | I think so. If you have trouble loading the nvida driver with xorg (after a reboot usually to remove nouveau and load nvidia module) then add those steps. |
| 21:59.07 | annadane | this was basically my question. because if i install nvidia-detect it says "nvidia-driver", i always wondered whether installing nvidia-driver by itself was the right way, or whether the dkms factoid was preferred |
| 21:59.10 | somiaj | I just hope my memeory was correct on removing the requirement to write your own config for it. |
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| 21:59.27 | somiaj | the factoid is a bit dated, nvidia-driver should work fine. |
| 21:59.46 | somiaj | but the factoid still works (I use it still) and write a custom config (mostly because I make other modifications to my xorg.conf than just that) |
| 21:59.55 | annadane | i actually can't install it as-is, there's dependency conflicts, the one in backports i think is installable though |
| 22:00.19 | somiaj | that is possible that backports cause such a problem. |
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| 22:02.11 | annadane | just out of interest if anyone cares. https://paste.debian.net/1051922/ |
| 22:02.25 | annadane | (i actually am not trying to install it now, i just wondered in general) |
| 22:03.35 | annadane | so it's like, none of those backports i have installed should conflict, at least superficially. all the conflicts are mesa related |
| 22:04.05 | LtL | my helpers left, my laptop doesn't have the DHCPREQUEST problem. the atheros chipset tower does |
| 22:04.25 | annadane | (and yes i have multiarch thus the i386 messages but even that shouldn't conflict) |
| 22:04.56 | annadane | but no, i've frankly had enough of nvidia at this point. this box is staying on nouveau for now |
| 22:06.34 | annadane | https://paste.debian.net/1051924/ is backports for comparison |
| 22:06.50 | annadane | go ahead LtL, i don't have a support question |
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| 22:08.27 | LtL | annadane: my logs are full of DHCPREQUEST lines, every 10-15 secs. i show one ACK at 5am, 2311 lines of requests since, more by now |
| 22:09.32 | LtL | the laptop does not show these, no connection issues other than far slower than it was on the old network. |
| 22:09.55 | LtL | they installed all new equipment |
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| 22:11.46 | LtL | totally sucks. used to get ~15-20 mbp/s d/l speed, now its 2.5 tops. its wifi 5ghz band |
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| 22:12.29 | LtL | someone else mentioned the same problem, so i chimed in. |
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| 22:22.29 | LtL | annadane: maybe i can tweak /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf |
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| 22:35.27 | simbalion | Hi, sometimes my X session needs a logout/login for audio to work properly, specifically a cli audio player that runs on a cron job and plays an mp3, it'll complain that the audio device is busy. I need a way to reset whatever causes that automatically, is that possible? |
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| 22:36.06 | simbalion | hrm it just occured to me maybe it's that player that's stuck in the background and hogging the audio device |
| 22:37.27 | aedinius | i didn't audio got locked anymore since the move to alsa |
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| 22:40.34 | agio | usually I do something like `killall pulseaudio' |
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| 22:42.20 | SerajewelKS | alternatively, make the command-line player use pulse |
| 22:43.12 | simbalion | tried killing pulse but that didn't fix it |
| 22:43.19 | simbalion | SerajewelKS: it isn't already? |
| 22:43.23 | simbalion | the cli app is 'madplay' |
| 22:43.27 | simbalion | but I've also tried mpg321 |
| 22:43.41 | SerajewelKS | simbalion: depends on the player |
| 22:44.02 | simbalion | SerajewelKS: is there some trick to forcing cli apps to use pulse? |
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| 22:46.48 | SerajewelKS | simbalion: yup. tell them to use pulse. |
| 22:47.03 | SerajewelKS | (depends on the player, it might already be trying to use pulse) |
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| 22:47.16 | SerajewelKS | if the pulseaudio daemon is run as your user, the cron job must also be run as your user |
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| 22:48.43 | LtL | fixed the bastard syslog junk |
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| 22:48.55 | simbalion | thanks but that advice isn't helpful, it's circular and vague. |
| 22:49.07 | simbalion | I modified my script so first it does killall -9 madplay, maybe that'll fix it |
| 22:49.24 | simbalion | unfortunately it's not in a broken state presently so I can't really test |
| 22:49.39 | simbalion | but if I don't see the issue re-occur for like 90 days then I can assume it's fixed |
| 22:49.40 | SerajewelKS | simbalion: it's vague because different players have different options and i don't know them all |
| 22:49.42 | simbalion | it's a rare issue |
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| 22:51.16 | SerajewelKS | the manpage probably tells you how to select the output device / system |
| 22:51.34 | simbalion | SerajewelKS: thanks I understand |
| 22:52.01 | simbalion | Only two apps on the laptop use audio most of the time, this scripted app and livezilla |
| 22:52.14 | simbalion | Livezilla 'bings' when my website gets a visitor |
| 22:52.22 | SerajewelKS | make sure both use pulse and both run as the same system user and you should be fine, i would think |
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| 22:52.35 | simbalion | Livezilla is a gui app it probably uses pulse |
| 22:52.44 | simbalion | but I dunno about madplay |
| 22:52.56 | SerajewelKS | simbalion: can you run the madplay script by hand with pavucontrol open? |
| 22:53.03 | SerajewelKS | as the same user whose crontab it's in |
| 22:53.03 | simbalion | But my thought is maybe madplay leaves a stale version behind occasionally |
| 22:53.17 | simbalion | SerajewelKS: dunno, haven't tried |
| 22:53.28 | simbalion | so if it doesn't show up in pavucontrol it isn't using pulse? |
| 22:53.28 | SerajewelKS | shouldn't matter if it leaves a process behind if it's using pulse. i mean it's a waste of resources but it shouldn't break anything. |
| 22:53.34 | SerajewelKS | correct |
| 22:53.36 | simbalion | got it |
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| 22:54.06 | SerajewelKS | but when pulse is running, alsa should use the pulse driver, so even if madplay uses alsa, it should get directed to pulse instead |
| 22:54.20 | simbalion | yes I know |
| 22:54.25 | Ede|Popede | LtL: the dhclient stuff? |
| 22:54.28 | SerajewelKS | when it gets stuck, lsof might help you figure out what's going on |
| 22:54.36 | SerajewelKS | in particular, over the /dev/snd* nodes |
| 22:54.42 | SerajewelKS | see if madplay has them open directly |
| 22:54.44 | simbalion | SerajewelKS: Yes but if it's something that lsof would show then killing the app should fix it |
| 22:54.49 | simbalion | see I thought of that already |
| 22:54.53 | simbalion | so thanks I'm gonna leave now :) |
| 22:55.00 | SerajewelKS | i thought killing the app fixed it? |
| 22:55.14 | simbalion | SerajewelKS: I covered this already.. |
| 22:55.45 | SerajewelKS | okay. sorry i asked questions. carry on. |
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| 23:02.11 | LtL | Ede|Popede: yes sir |
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| 23:03.09 | Ede|Popede | LtL: willing to share? would save me tons if disk space ;) |
| 23:03.36 | LtL | Ede|Popede: they changed the networking here, my logs were full of dhcprequests. i deleted the *.lease files in /varlib/dhcp/ |
| 23:03.55 | LtL | and re-booted |
| 23:04.06 | Ede|Popede | all i got there is an empty dhclient.eth0.leases |
| 23:04.30 | LtL | Ede|Popede: mine were empty also, go figure |
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| 23:05.00 | Ede|Popede | deleting now, rebooting later, should also work i hope |
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| 23:05.30 | Ede|Popede | finally i have again uptimes of more than couple of days :) |
| 23:05.42 | LtL | Ede|Popede: g'luck |
| 23:05.46 | Ede|Popede | thx |
| 23:05.53 | aedinius | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.09 | LtL | nice |
| 23:06.27 | Ede|Popede | 52 days here. think i didn't have to reboot since install |
| 23:06.38 | aedinius | I reboot occasionaly |
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| 23:07.21 | aedinius | Best thing I did was buy a UPS |
| 23:07.51 | aedinius | And it only runs a few services, so when those update it's pretty easy to just restart them. Only thing is kernel updates... |
| 23:08.38 | Ede|Popede | i had this 'BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 23s!' for a long time with the old system, was about to migrate. but since stretch no more problems :shrug: :happy: |
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| 23:10.44 | LtL | Ede|Popede: there is a definite bug in dhclient, i got 71,000 hits googling that but my laptop never did it. odd |
| 23:10.56 | Ede|Popede | oh right. this was the only forced reboot *cough* i had since install. LED bulb managed to kill the switch, i wanted to test if it was really the bulb, well... the lamp i choose for this was on the same circuit as the pc. well done, really -.- |
| 23:11.18 | Ede|Popede | LtL: any idea what the relevant difference may be? |
| 23:11.44 | LtL | Ede|Popede: not really, no |
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| 23:12.44 | Ede|Popede | reminds me of gvfsd-metadata hammering the disk |
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| 23:39.53 | LtL | Ede|Popede: i'm am faily certain this box didn't recognize the domain change in networking. All the network here from soup to nuts was changed, seems this bx never re-configured iself to it. |
| 23:41.21 | LtL | and i hate the new firewall they use [SonicWall] but i can work around that. |
| 23:42.24 | Ede|Popede | the only thing that changed *here* was debian's version number. i should check if it did this from the beginning (and then if it didn't do it until the change) |
| 23:42.48 | LtL | I still get TDLS Invalid frame junk, but i filtered that with /etc/rsyslog.conf but it still shows up in journalctl |
| 23:43.02 | Ede|Popede | sa,e pc, same provider, same setup, same everything... only the numbers of forced reboots went down to 0 \o/ |
| 23:43.13 | fearnothing | hi, I'm having an issue that I don't exactly know how to explain |
| 23:43.48 | Ede|Popede | fearnothing and goon :) |
| 23:43.53 | fearnothing | I'm using xming and putty to render virt-manager, and the cursor tracking has gone completely out |
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| 23:44.06 | fearnothing | I can't get my pointer to track my Windows cursor |
| 23:44.26 | fearnothing | I know rebooting the debian box will fix it, but that should mean that it's possible to fix without the reboot |
| 23:44.29 | fearnothing | I just don't know how |
| 23:44.32 | fearnothing | or what to google |
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| 23:56.42 | LtL | fearnothing: my only guess is a mis-configured putty protocol, i don't know what xming is. |