| 00:01.03 | joepublic | So, at some point you have output, then the screen turns black? Or the screen begins and remains black? |
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| 00:01.32 | BoggGod | Hey, I'm at a loss. When I try to initiate the wireless connection via wpa_supplicant it gives me the ioctl error, which I believe is driver related. Is it not possible to grab the firmware directly from here? https://github.com/kvalo/ath10k-firmware/tree/master/QCA9377/ |
| 00:01.36 | BoggGod | all my info: http://termbin.com/25i5 |
| 00:02.20 | eee21 | this is my new distro based on debian: http://sweetdoll.bz/ |
| 00:02.32 | BoggGod | Any pointers would be really appreciated, I'm a newb in regards to fixing firmware beyond the packages the distroy provides |
| 00:02.45 | BoggGod | and it did work with no issues under OpenSuse |
| 00:02.54 | BoggGod | *distro |
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| 00:05.04 | joepublic | tell me about your distro eee21 |
| 00:05.43 | hyperlumic | Given that its categorized as "pornography" and "illegal", I'd recommend not. |
| 00:05.50 | hyperlumic | !ops |
| 00:05.50 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel. |
| 00:06.04 | hyperlumic | dpkg: ops eee21 posting porn links |
| 00:06.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: hyperlumic complains about a problem (see above) |
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| 00:07.12 | joepublic | An illegal pornographic distribution? |
| 00:07.23 | hyperlumic | Quite potentially. I'm not going there to find out. |
| 00:07.27 | joepublic | I wonder if Distrowatch knows. |
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| 00:29.40 | GodricArji | debian next is invite only? |
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| 00:30.06 | bites | !debian-next |
| 00:30.06 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 00:30.16 | bites | GodricArji: different network. |
| 00:30.28 | GodricArji | oh |
| 00:30.35 | GodricArji | weird |
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| 00:34.31 | jasabella | hi |
| 00:34.59 | xtort- | hi. |
| 00:35.12 | jasabella | anyone familiar with graphics cards? :) |
| 00:35.46 | jasabella | i'm looking to get one for a system i intend to dualboot with windows |
| 00:36.08 | jasabella | which line is least problematic when it comes to open source drivers? |
| 00:36.47 | BCMM | if you want the all-round most stable support, probably intel graphics |
| 00:36.49 | jasabella | aside from intel hd |
| 00:36.51 | jasabella | :) |
| 00:36.52 | jasabella | oops! |
| 00:36.53 | BCMM | if you want a "proper" graphics card, radeon |
| 00:37.07 | jasabella | yeah windows is for gaming *blushes* |
| 00:37.08 | BCMM | specifically a recent-ish radeon |
| 00:37.17 | jasabella | the ryzen vega ones? |
| 00:37.43 | BCMM | i don't know much about the APUs |
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| 00:37.57 | jasabella | (not looking for top of the line, just one that will 'last' and wont give me headaches in debian) |
| 00:38.26 | BCMM | but basically just get anything that's supported by the amdgpu driver |
| 00:38.54 | jasabella | prefer supporting open source too of course :) |
| 00:38.55 | jasabella | ok |
| 00:38.58 | GodricArji | i personally use nvidia and i don't have any issues |
| 00:39.04 | BCMM | GodricArji: with open-source drivers? |
| 00:39.14 | GodricArji | no i use properiatary |
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| 00:39.26 | GodricArji | easy to install under debian |
| 00:40.24 | aphorise | I can only get into gdm succesfully in some cases - I am using laest 4.18 kernels & nvidia 390.91 drivers from stretchy-backports - my screen just flickers forever and sometimes randomly after a few minutes or hours it might actually decide to go work - other times I battle ctrl+alt+f2 which most times does nothing and at times I get a sense that I am impacting it to work... issue being I cant |
| 00:40.24 | aphorise | actually to any terminal either and it continues flickering every 20 seconds or so.,, anyone experianced anything like this? |
| 00:41.01 | BCMM | jasabella: in terms of supporting open source, the amdgpu driver is actively developed by AMD staff - they're actually doing the right thing these days |
| 00:41.13 | BCMM | (and it's part of upstream mesa/linux kernel) |
| 00:41.23 | jasabella | cool |
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| 00:41.39 | GodricArji | aphorise, why are u using stretch-backports with the nvidia driver? |
| 00:41.56 | BCMM | jasabella: the only thing is that it's improved a *lot* in recent months and years - i'm running Sid, and i don't know what support is like in stable |
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| 00:42.42 | aphorise | GodricArji what should i use then? - |
| 00:43.09 | GodricArji | I run from the binary but the package in the repos is pretty up to date for stretch |
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| 00:43.38 | BCMM | but (on sid) i'm honestly surprised at how good this is. i just click on stuff in steam and expect it to run without any fiddling. i'm not even running any special weird versions of any libraries or setting any environment variables or whatever |
| 00:43.51 | jasabella | i'm not a heavy gamer so i wont be constantly updating my driver and squeezing every ounce of performance |
| 00:43.52 | BCMM | just a few years ago, gaming on open source drivers took actual work |
| 00:44.16 | aphorise | GodricArji but can I have the with 4.18 kernel too? - |
| 00:44.46 | BCMM | now, i don't think i've taken *any* specific steps to get this working other than installing firmware-amd-graphics |
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| 00:46.14 | BCMM | to be fair, there's been one or two problems - AA doesn't seem to work, and HDMI audio is broken in 4.17 and 4.18 (fixed in 4.19) |
| 00:47.24 | aphorise | BCMM so yo usaying I should try 4.19 ? |
| 00:47.54 | BCMM | should have said displayport audio, actually |
| 00:48.05 | BCMM | aphorise: 4.19 isn't in debian yet |
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| 00:49.14 | BCMM | aphorise: if you actually need DP audio, running an older version of 4.17, from before the regression, is an option (not ideal from a security point of view tbh) |
| 00:49.30 | BCMM | as far as i know, HDMI audio works |
| 00:49.47 | BCMM | also i don't think this effects every card |
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| 00:50.13 | BCMM | just thought i should mention the problems in case my opinion of AMD sounds overly glowing |
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| 07:01.10 | blingrang | Hi. `chroot -- /mnt/disk modinfo ena` Would this show kernel info from the mounted rood disk or the "running" root disk? |
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| 07:02.15 | blingrang | I ask because it's outputting "filename: /lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/updates/dkms/ena.ko". The "/lib" part is confusing me, shouldn't it be "/mnt/disk/lib"? |
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| 07:16.25 | n4dir | blingrang: i always assumed chroot would use the kernel from the running system. |
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| 07:23.07 | nkuttler | of course it does |
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| 08:10.58 | blingrang | n4dir nkuttler , hmm. You're right. Makes sense. Thanks. |
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| 08:21.02 | cluelessperson | how do I inform the kernel of drive changes? |
| 08:21.05 | cluelessperson | Partition(s) 1 on /dev/sdf have been written, but we have been unable to inform the kernel of the change, |
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| 08:21.09 | cluelessperson | keep getting this stupidity |
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| 08:27.12 | cluelessperson | this stuff never works |
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| 08:28.45 | cluelessperson | nothing is using the disk |
| 08:28.49 | cluelessperson | it's disable |
| 08:28.56 | cluelessperson | I zeroe it out with dd |
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| 09:27.17 | jelly | cluelessperson, the simplest thing to do is reboot |
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| 09:29.00 | jelly | otherwise you need to investigate exactly why the disk or one of its partitions are thought to be "in use" |
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| 09:30.08 | discovered | Is there any torrent for Testing release? I can't find any |
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| 09:30.50 | jelly | I don't think there are torrents for weekly or daily build images |
| 09:31.22 | discovered | Perhaps alfa 3 is better ? jelly? |
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| 09:40.31 | jelly | discovered, how old is it? |
| 09:42.17 | jelly | you probably don't want a testing image older than a month or two |
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| 10:00.38 | discovered | I downloaded the alfa 3(released on july perhaps) from https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ . Installer says it is debian 9 ? http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1543053534.png |
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| 10:08.18 | noln | discovered, it's still the testing installer |
| 10:08.26 | noln | regardless of the 9 |
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| 10:09.01 | discovered | I am downloading weekly build! |
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| 12:16.54 | ikarosuusi | Hello, I'm trying to install dependencies for pytorch, using as much of the official debian repositories as possible... |
| 12:17.04 | ikarosuusi | So when I ran this: |
| 12:17.05 | ikarosuusi | $ ai libmkl-full-dev python3-cffi |
| 12:17.10 | ikarosuusi | I ended up here: |
| 12:17.16 | ikarosuusi | Unpacking python3-cffi (1.11.5-3) ... |
| 12:17.17 | ikarosuusi | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 12:17.17 | ikarosuusi | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:17.18 | ikarosuusi | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 12:26.23 | ikarosuusi | $ sudo apt --fix-broken install |
| 12:26.39 | ikarosuusi | dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/libomp5-7_1%3a7-6_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 12:26.39 | dpkg | ikarosuusi: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 12:26.42 | ikarosuusi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:27.03 | ikarosuusi | no that's it |
| 12:27.24 | ikarosuusi | that's the information part |
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| 12:28.09 | ikarosuusi | https://pastebin.com/q00wEA1i |
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| 12:29.52 | ikarosuusi | sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/libjline-java_1.0-1_all.deb |
| 12:29.57 | ikarosuusi | sudo apt-get -f install |
| 12:30.02 | ikarosuusi | does seem to do the trick |
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| 12:32.38 | ikarosuusi | wow wtf this "docker" ... |
| 12:32.58 | ikarosuusi | their website looks horrible |
| 12:33.04 | ikarosuusi | it's like a nightmare |
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| 12:33.32 | ikarosuusi | it's built on an indian graveyard that's what it is |
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| 12:43.48 | ghormoon | hi, how impossible would be adding somehow ramdisk as overlay over real disk (in meaning of tiering, to propagate to the real disk, just slower)? even worse if I'd want to do it runtime and something has open files there? |
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| 12:53.35 | bites | ghormoon: so.... like page cache? |
| 12:53.40 | ghormoon | hm even remount with writeback is not possible |
| 12:54.02 | ghormoon | yeah, so flushing file won't be really waiting for disk temporarily |
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| 12:54.51 | rudi_s | eatmydata? |
| 12:55.41 | ghormoon | would that work for an ap pthat already runs? |
| 12:55.49 | rudi_s | No. |
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| 12:56.00 | ghormoon | thought so |
| 12:56.38 | rudi_s | ghormoon: Of course you can build yourself something with ptrace(2) or other magic. |
| 12:57.05 | rudi_s | Or attach with ptrace(2) and manipulate the glibc-stubs of the program. |
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| 12:57.32 | ghormoon | the point is I want temporarily trick db into thinking it wrote wal logs and just sync them to disk with delay |
| 12:58.22 | rudi_s | Don't know any way which is dangerous/hacky. |
| 12:58.27 | rudi_s | *which is not |
| 12:58.48 | ghormoon | I know all of them are |
| 12:58.53 | ghormoon | but some are more |
| 12:58.54 | ghormoon | :) |
| 12:59.27 | ghormoon | just running a db on writeback or something like that is dangerous itself |
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| 13:08.57 | rudi_s | Yeah. |
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| 13:46.27 | sharp15 | how do i dump the ssh public key fingerprint to the shell so that i can actually check it on another machine? |
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| 13:47.32 | rudi_s | sharp15: ssh-keygen -l -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub (for RSA, adapt for other keys) |
| 13:47.53 | sharp15 | rudi_s: will do. ty. |
| 13:48.03 | rudi_s | np |
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| 14:01.12 | sharp15 | is there a way to keep the wifi from being turned off when the laptop lid is closed? |
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| 14:05.56 | mtn | sharp15: turn off suspend on lid close in power management |
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| 14:06.22 | mtn | sharp15: or elsewhere in system settings |
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| 14:33.24 | Ede|Popede | > Nearly all x86-based (IA-32) processors still in use in personal computers are supported. This also includes 32-bit AMD and VIA (former Cyrix) processors, and processors like the Athlon XP and Intel P4 Xeon. However, Debian GNU/Linux stretch will not run on 586 (Pentium) or earlier processors. |
| 14:33.37 | Ede|Popede | that's hardly more than "try out and see if it starts" :( |
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| 14:34.03 | Ede|Popede | and the link to the Linux Hardware Compatibility HOWTO is quite useless (last update: 5/2007) |
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| 14:40.28 | joepublic | did you try it? did it start? I wonder whether it can be compiled for an i386sx. |
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| 14:40.46 | rudi_s | Ede|Popede: Support for really old hardware is very difficult. - As nobody can test changes to the kernel, it won't get much better than "try out and see if it starts". |
| 14:40.51 | Ede|Popede | srsly: https://www.google.com/search?q=debian+minimum+requirements+site:debian.org - stretch mentioned only in "similar searches" on page one, but it still has etch Oo |
| 14:41.18 | Ede|Popede | joepublic: afaik kernel support for 386 was dropped some time ago? |
| 14:41.39 | joepublic | yeah, but what version, is the key |
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| 14:42.39 | Ede|Popede | erm... that's years old. but something was also this year, don't remember :/ |
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| 14:43.48 | joepublic | I am running stretch on some servers with kernel "Linux localhost 2.6.32-042stab123.1 #1 SMP Wed Mar 22 15:21:30 MSK 2017 x86_64 GNU/Linux" |
| 14:44.28 | Ede|Popede | a feedback function would be nice. look if it runs, report back some sysinfo (kind of inxi's default output). and then: BIG DATA |
| 14:44.42 | sharp15 | is there a way to keep the machine on the wifi while the lid is closed? kde5 keeps disconnecting the wifi when i close the machine. or do i need to use /etc/networks for that. |
| 14:45.31 | Ede|Popede | stretch with 2.6 kernel? wow. |
| 14:46.13 | hyperlumic | joepublic: You need to find a new hosting provider. |
| 14:47.07 | joepublic | as far as I know, 2.6.32-blahblah is the newest openvz kernel in existence. |
| 14:47.08 | rudi_s | sharp15: As other's have already said, prevent that the laptop goes to sleep. |
| 14:47.35 | rudi_s | joepublic: Wow, did anybody backport meltdown and spectre patches for that? |
| 14:48.02 | hyperlumic | joepublic: OpenVZ is trash, generally, so that's not a compelling reason to stay on an ancient kernel. |
| 14:48.03 | phogg | joepublic: unless they're heavily backporting fixes that kernel is full of holes. If that's required for openvz, stop using openvz. |
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| 14:48.43 | joepublic | the /proc/cpuinfo does not mention meltdown nor spectre for a xeon e5, so, no, doesn't look like meltdown nor spectre patches |
| 14:48.49 | phogg | sharp15: there will be a setting somewhere that describes what to do when a "lid close" event occurs. |
| 14:48.53 | rudi_s | Ouch .. |
| 14:48.57 | Ede|Popede | always have to remember that openvz is in NO WAY related to studivz *grml* |
| 14:49.18 | joepublic | this conversation has been very instructive to me, by the way |
| 14:49.24 | phogg | sharp15: it could be as simple as a udev rule, might be done via some combination of systemd and dbus, or could be mostly on the KDE side. I don't know. |
| 14:49.46 | hyperlumic | joepublic: Again, you need to find a new hosting provider. You are no doubt missing YEARS of security fixes. |
| 14:50.59 | Ede|Popede | if software is old enough it should be relatively safe again ;) |
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| 14:51.18 | hyperlumic | lol wut |
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| 14:51.27 | phogg | Ede|Popede: not really. Automated tools learn vulnerabilities and never forget them |
| 14:51.36 | hyperlumic | Yup. |
| 14:51.43 | phogg | Ede|Popede: sniff version, reach in to a bag of vulns, pull out one that works, try it |
| 14:51.49 | phogg | repeat until you get in |
| 14:52.05 | hyperlumic | joepublic: Ever run a vulnerability scan on that system? |
| 14:52.09 | Ede|Popede | damnyouatomatization.com |
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| 14:52.21 | Eryn_1983_FL | 6hey peeps |
| 14:52.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | what does this mean the % |
| 14:52.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | in my db user table.. |
| 14:52.46 | hyperlumic | Eryn_1983_FL: I assume you're referring to MySQL or MariaDB. |
| 14:52.48 | Eryn_1983_FL | i though that was from anywhere |
| 14:52.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | maria |
| 14:52.52 | joepublic | !enter |
| 14:52.52 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 14:53.13 | hyperlumic | Eryn_1983_FL: This is something that MariaDB's documentation can answer. |
| 14:53.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | it reads like stereo instructions |
| 14:53.59 | hyperlumic | If you're trying to run a database server, you'd better get used to reading documentation. |
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| 14:54.40 | hyperlumic | joepublic: Ever run a vulnerability scan on that system? |
| 14:55.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | u guys are always so harsh |
| 14:55.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | u make little kids run away.. |
| 14:55.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | im reading the documentation... |
| 14:55.56 | hyperlumic | It's not harsh, it's reality. |
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| 14:56.12 | hyperlumic | Though I suppose those aren't mutually exclusive. |
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| 15:02.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok so does ttrss-user | % match ttrss-user | localhost? |
| 15:02.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | cause it is not saying anything about that in the manual |
| 15:03.05 | hyperlumic | Yes, it does. |
| 15:03.07 | hyperlumic | https://mariadb.com/kb/en/library/create-user/#host-names |
| 15:03.11 | joepublic | a host of % matches any host. |
| 15:03.12 | hyperlumic | Took me five seconds to find that. |
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| 15:05.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok preparing a log... |
| 15:05.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | cause something not right |
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| 15:12.15 | Eryn_1983_FL | https://paste.pound-python.org/show/7WdddzjKVaw7rPnBOwBe/ |
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| 15:16.33 | hyperlumic | That has nothing to do with the host field. |
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| 15:16.47 | hyperlumic | That has everything to do with the rights granted to the user you're trying to use and the table its trying to access. |
| 15:17.06 | hyperlumic | And allowing that many connections from all hosts is terrible practice, security-wise. So is phpmyadmin. |
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| 15:53.07 | boules | Debian does not automatically detect the correct display size/resolution of a T430, which would in this case be 1366x768 - roughly. What must be done to teach the OS the correct resolution? |
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| 15:58.52 | Tom-_ | works for me on T420 |
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| 15:59.00 | scatterbrainz | morning |
| 15:59.12 | Tom-_ | boules, how do you know it's not displaying the right resolutions? |
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| 16:01.56 | scatterbrainz | i think i screwed this up |
| 16:01.57 | scatterbrainz | ugh |
| 16:02.31 | scatterbrainz | i wonder if I should purge it and re-install it |
| 16:02.32 | scatterbrainz | hrm |
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| 16:08.25 | boules | It's a VM, Tom-_ , and 1366x768 is not an option. There's 1280x800 and 1400x900 - it's that simple. |
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| 16:10.27 | scatterbrainz | morning |
| 16:10.41 | joepublic | boubou, use cvt to generate modeline, and xrandr --addmode to add it to those available |
| 16:10.56 | joepublic | boubou, wrong name from nick completion, sorry. meant boules |
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| 16:13.33 | scatterbrainz | ugh this pisses me off |
| 16:14.11 | joepublic | since you have not mentioned what "this" is, it can't be that important to you. imagine how much less important to others. |
| 16:14.27 | scatterbrainz | ? |
| 16:14.43 | scatterbrainz | is u talking to me? |
| 16:14.58 | mtn | heh |
| 16:15.21 | LtL | scatterbrainz: you've sent 9 lines to the channel, and said nothing! |
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| 16:15.52 | LtL | hopes 'morning' isn't broken. |
| 16:16.39 | scatterbrainz | sorry i thought I installed sql /maria but everytime i try to access it, i get "access denied for root@localhost" |
| 16:19.02 | LtL | scatterbrainz: i can't help you, someone here might, that said there is a #maria channel. |
| 16:19.08 | bites | scatterbrainz: did you run mysql_secure_installation ? |
| 16:19.40 | scatterbrainz | i think so |
| 16:19.52 | bites | how do you try to connect? |
| 16:20.16 | scatterbrainz | i'm @ cmd prompt |
| 16:20.18 | joepublic | searching for that exact string brings up a few results explaining how to reset access such as with --skip-grant-tables -- what happened when you tried that? |
| 16:20.23 | scatterbrainz | through a local/remote login |
| 16:20.35 | scatterbrainz | nothing |
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| 16:20.48 | bites | mysql -u root -p is the usual way. |
| 16:21.18 | scatterbrainz | bites: that cmd => "ERRO 1698 > access denied" |
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| 16:22.45 | scatterbrainz | mysql_safe > command not found |
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| 16:31.49 | scatterbrainz | to install mysql should I be in root super user or just reg? |
| 16:32.36 | LtL | scatterbrainz: /usr/bin/mysqld_safe - should be in mariadb-server |
| 16:32.49 | scatterbrainz | LtL: i purged it |
| 16:32.52 | scatterbrainz | i'm doing a re-install |
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| 16:35.55 | jhutchins | It turns out that my upgrade to stretch isn't locking the screen via screensaver, it's actually logging me out. Any idea where to change that setting? |
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| 16:38.50 | scatterbrainz | which version do I want |
| 16:39.32 | jhutchins | scatterbrainz: Is mysqld running? Yes, you install, start, and stop the server as root. |
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| 16:40.41 | jhutchins | mysqld_safe is the script that starts the server, but you should use the init or systemd control file to actually start it. service mysqld start or service mysql start (depending on versions). |
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| 16:41.26 | sharp15 | i've tried turning off suspend. |
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| 16:41.27 | jhutchins | scatterbrainz: One of the current versions writes the root password to the log file on startup. |
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| 16:41.55 | sharp15 | the wifi still disconnects. |
| 16:42.00 | scatterbrainz | jhutchins: its uninstalled now, i purged mysql along with phpmyadmin, i'm starting from scratch |
| 16:42.42 | scatterbrainz | i just need to figure out how to get the right server version installed, but why is there a client version too, it seems weird. |
| 16:42.45 | ozzloy | i'm writing a deb package. i ask for the mariadb root password. if the user enters the wrong pw, what's the right way to re-ask the user for the pw? https://paste.debian.net/1053082/ |
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| 16:44.00 | ozzloy | this script works, but just re-asks the question without saying something like "wrong pw" in the re-asked question |
| 16:44.03 | scatterbrainz | i wonder if its apt-get install mysql-apt-config.... |
| 16:44.19 | jhutchins | I think I found the setting under Power Manager. |
| 16:44.45 | jhutchins | scatterbrainz: Generally you use the client to access the server. |
| 16:45.01 | jhutchins | scatterbrainz: You should probably read some of the mariadb documentation before you get too far. |
| 16:45.07 | jhutchins | !mysql |
| 16:45.08 | dpkg | well, mysql is a fast and reliable open source relational database implementing a large subset of SQL. It is the world's most popular open source database. To install, ask me about <install mysql>. http://wiki.debian.org/MySql http://mysql.com/ #mysql on irc.freenode.net, #debian-mysql on irc.oftc.net. See also <mysql test>, <mysql squeeze>, <mysql checking>, <mariadb> |
| 16:45.28 | jhutchins | scatterbrainz: Check out some of those links. |
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| 16:45.42 | jhutchins | scatterbrainz: Are you setting this up for a lamp stack or what? |
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| 16:48.08 | scatterbrainz | jhutchins: i'm there, but I can't distuigish between wehthere they refer to server or client |
| 16:48.08 | scatterbrainz | it seems to refer to them both at the same tiem |
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| 16:50.09 | jhutchins | scatterbrainz: Read more, you'll understand what functions are which component. Basically the client is how you access the server to perform any needed operations on the actual DBs, most of the settings are in /etc/my.cnf. |
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| 16:50.27 | scatterbrainz | so you don't actually do anything directly to the server |
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| 16:51.08 | jhutchins | scatterbrainz: Mostly through the client. |
| 16:51.32 | jhutchins | phpmyadmin and mysql-workbench are clients. |
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| 16:51.49 | scatterbrainz | ooooh |
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| 16:57.55 | Tenkawa | what do you all think... with an ssd and 12 gb of ram should I just use zram on the ssd and get rid of my swap partition completely? |
| 16:58.26 | Tenkawa | trying to ponder options for speed/reliability |
| 16:59.29 | SerajewelKS | an SSD is still likely going to be at least an order of magnitude slower than RAM |
| 17:00.21 | Tenkawa | right.. Its already pointed at the ssd |
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| 17:00.32 | Tenkawa | I'm looking at moving it to ram |
| 17:01.01 | Tenkawa | its on a partition on the ssd currently |
| 17:01.02 | jhutchins | Tenkawa: With 12GB of ram you shouldn't be swapping on a regular basis, so there shouldn't be much concern about "wear" on the drive. |
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| 17:01.18 | Tenkawa | jhutchins: yeah thought as much |
| 17:01.30 | jhutchins | Tenkawa: swap in ram is not something you want to do. |
| 17:01.36 | Tenkawa | nod |
| 17:01.51 | vlt | That depends on the use case. Iâm swapping sometimes with 24 GB of RAM. |
| 17:02.05 | Tenkawa | I do a LOT of compiling though |
| 17:02.37 | jhutchins | vlt: You are correct, it depends on the application, but you do NOT want to try putting swap on a ramdisk, that's just ... stupid. |
| 17:03.10 | bites | why? |
| 17:03.18 | jhutchins | Usually don't want more than 4G of swap too. |
| 17:03.19 | vlt | bites: For real? |
| 17:03.31 | bites | yes, for real. they said zram. |
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| 17:03.45 | annadane | hi, for future reference when/if i get an SSD, what are debian best practices, i've heard of the concept of trimming and i'm not sure what else has to be done with it compared to a hard drive |
| 17:04.08 | jhutchins | bites: You're taking your swap, which is to extend your ram, out of your ram. Instead of just using the ram, you're inserting the overhead of the ramdisk and swap mechanism. |
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| 17:04.30 | bites | a portion of it. |
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| 17:05.04 | jhutchins | I think zram creates compressed space, but it's still not a smart architecture. |
| 17:05.49 | Tenkawa | jhutchins: yeah and it needs a lot of horsepower behind it to utilize it I would think efficiently |
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| 17:06.25 | rudi_s | annadane: If you use LUKS, you should allow trimming for it. - Otherwise enabling the fstrim timer/target is all you should need. This will regularly trim your devices. |
| 17:06.53 | rudi_s | (TRIM = tell the storage system about unused blocks so it can reuse the more efficiently, also very useful for virtual machines.) |
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| 17:07.52 | taylan | heya. trying to apt-get upgrade, the mysql upgrade fails because it tries to use the mysql root user without a password. how can I tell it what password to use? |
| 17:08.15 | annadane | rudi_s, can i also use fstrim for LUKS? |
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| 17:08.51 | rudi_s | annadane: Yes. But you have to enable it by adding the discard option. This might allow attackers to guess which parts of your disk you're actively using, but IMHO that's a minor risk. |
| 17:08.57 | rudi_s | it = TIRM |
| 17:09.02 | rudi_s | *TRIM |
| 17:11.34 | taylan | meh, I've temporarily emptied the password to do the upgrade |
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| 17:38.04 | ozzloy | https://paste.debian.net/1053091/ i want some help making a deb. i'm asking for a pw, and i want to re-ask if the entered pw doesn't work, and to display a message that the pw failed. how do i do that the "right" way? |
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| 17:52.35 | storrgie | is it possible to kick off an installation procedure from an already installed system? (hosting provider does their own auto-provisioning, would prefer to do my own install to add LUKS and other things) |
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| 17:58.16 | annadane | storrgie, maybe you want https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en |
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| 18:00.39 | ozzloy | never mind, i found the template type "note". seems to be the right way to do it. |
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| 18:10.07 | storrgie | annadane, yeah this is what I want |
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| 18:25.57 | rudi_s | storrgie: If your hoster has a rescue system, you could boot into that and perform the install from there. |
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| 18:26.15 | rudi_s | (Makes it often a little easier to get a nice partition setup.) |
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| 18:32.08 | storrgie | I don't think they have a rescue system for their baremetal hosts (vultr) |
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| 18:32.28 | storrgie | on their VPS line I can just install debian from ISO, but I'm trying to use their dedicated hardware |
| 18:33.24 | rudi_s | Then debootstrap it is. |
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| 18:33.52 | rudi_s | You can also resize partitions in preparation for the installation. |
| 18:35.13 | annadane | can anyone proficient with openbox tell me why this isn't activating rofi? https://paste.debian.net/1053098/ |
| 18:35.24 | annadane | the !-- is the equivalent of commenting things out |
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| 18:38.17 | bites | annadane: try <command>rofi -show run</command> |
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| 18:39.28 | annadane | thanks, i really need to just buckle down and learn syntax |
| 18:39.52 | bites | you may need to add the whole path to rofi. |
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| 18:40.41 | jhutchins | full paths are good. |
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| 18:50.19 | annadane | well i cheated and used lxhotkey. anyway, i'll work on it :P |
| 18:51.05 | annadane | https://paste.debian.net/1053101/ <-- that is what you need to do |
| 18:51.34 | annadane | need the execute action |
| 18:53.44 | jhutchins | n xfce on stretch, I can't choose an image for the desktop background or for an unchanging screensaver, nor can I browse the filesystem; it will only let me select a folder from my $HOME. |
| 18:54.13 | storrgie | does the version of nginx/openssl in testing support tlsv1.3? It seems like it should but I can't seem to get it sorted out |
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| 18:56.44 | hyperlumic | OpenSSL does, yes. |
| 18:57.49 | hyperlumic | As does nginx. |
| 18:58.37 | jhutchins | It seems like the selection dialog is broken, what package would control that? (Filing a bugreport) |
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| 18:59.27 | jhutchins | storrgie: In apache that's configured in the ssl blocks of Apache config. |
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| 19:07.43 | noln | jhutchins, xfdesktop4 provides the desktop settings window, gtk2 probably provides the file chooser |
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| 19:24.54 | Ede|Popede | jhutchins: possibly the value for "action" https://developer.gnome.org/gtk2/stable/GtkFileChooserDialog.html -- btw, is there a git or so around which would allow for sourcecode browsing? |
| 19:25.27 | Ede|Popede | oh, there's something called github :> |
| 19:26.03 | noln | Ede|Popede, or salsa.debian.org :) |
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| 19:26.46 | Ede|Popede | ah right. if you don't find it anywhere else, there might be a debian subdomain :) |
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| 19:58.57 | crestfallen | hi I configured a new profile for my term, on a debian machine 32-bit. I have two profiles now: how do I toggle between them? the main point is to have 2 sizes of window. thanks |
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| 20:00.17 | joepublic | I am glad you configured multiple profiles for an unspecified terminal program. You might mention which one, as the procedure for each is slightly different and there's not one "official" one. |
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| 20:03.21 | crestfallen | sorry joepublic , its the default term for debian stretch not sure of the name |
| 20:03.34 | crestfallen | on a 32-bit |
| 20:04.25 | joepublic | perhaps see if your terminal program has help -> about? |
| 20:04.49 | crestfallen | ok this is a gnome desktop |
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| 20:05.56 | joepublic | gnome-terminal --profile=my-profile-name from a prompt, or file -> open terminal -> my-profile-name |
| 20:06.43 | crestfallen | gnome 3.22.2 |
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| 20:08.30 | crestfallen | thanks joepublic |
| 20:08.39 | joepublic | You are kindly welcome. |
| 20:09.22 | crestfallen | joepublic, one thing, would that first suggestion be the most sophisticated toggle? |
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| 20:10.03 | joepublic | I use that first selection in my desktop startup script to open a terminal that uses tail to follow /var/log/kern.log |
| 20:10.15 | joepublic | s/selection/suggestion/g |
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| 20:10.55 | crestfallen | sorry, tail? |
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| 20:11.58 | joepublic | tail shows you the last line(s) of a text file. |
| 20:12.11 | joepublic | man tail |
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| 20:13.02 | crestfallen | thanks its too complicated I thought if I made a second profile I could use shortcuts for a toggle. many thanks joepublic |
| 20:13.06 | RoyK | opposite of head ;) |
| 20:13.55 | noln | mind privilege escalation via a web browser bug through function sudo() in .bash_profile |
| 20:14.06 | noln | or irc client ofc |
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| 20:49.57 | tharkun | Good $DAY I am doing some js thingy but as soon as I pull the script out of the html and shove it into a js file Firefox will cache that file and not refresh it under any circumstances. Is that a flaw? Is that the intended behaviour? Is there a way around it for development environments? |
| 20:50.00 | Schmeckle | Hey guys. I'm having trouble getting my atheros 9271 usb wifi adapter to work properly. I am kind of a beginner. Installed the driver and the device gets reckognized but I cannot actually connect to any network. It lists them but I cannot connect |
| 20:50.21 | tharkun | Schmeckle: X or headless? |
| 20:50.46 | nkuttler | tharkun: how do you serve that file? |
| 20:51.16 | Schmeckle | tharkun: What do you mean? Sorry, still beginner. |
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| 20:51.39 | Schmeckle | I did apt-get install firmware-atheros |
| 20:51.47 | wonderer | how can i remove \n and add just comman+space? |
| 20:51.54 | tharkun | Using sails dev server I checked it also, the broken file is not even on the system anymore. the .cache has the right one and Firefox keeps complaining about a Typo. I made |
| 20:51.55 | wonderer | so all my new lines go onto one line only with each words sepeprated by comma |
| 20:52.03 | nkuttler | Schmeckle: did you reboot? firmware might only get reloaded when you reload the kernel module.. |
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| 20:52.16 | tharkun | Schmeckle: are you running gnome/kde/xfce et al or just plain old framebuffer |
| 20:52.52 | nkuttler | tharkun: the browser should honor the cache headers your httpd set, that being said, ctrl f5 |
| 20:52.52 | Schmeckle | I run gnome |
| 20:52.55 | tharkun | wonderer: depends on your $EDITOR |
| 20:53.12 | Schmeckle | Why does it light up tho when I replug the USB wifi adapter? |
| 20:53.40 | Schmeckle | And Why do I see wifi networks when it apparently shouldnt work until reboot? |
| 20:53.50 | tharkun | Schmeckle: nkuttler gave you a nice answer. You might as well listen to him. |
| 20:53.56 | nkuttler | eh, sounds like you don't have the right auth.. |
| 20:54.00 | joepublic | it lights up because plugging it in gives you 5 volts. |
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| 20:54.20 | tharkun | nkuttler: Will try it |
| 20:54.20 | Schmeckle | nkuttler: Thanks, I will reboot now. |
| 20:54.29 | Schmeckle | tharkun: You are right. brb |
| 20:54.44 | nkuttler | :| |
| 20:54.56 | tharkun | nkuttler: Any way of inspecting those within Firefox? |
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| 20:57.25 | Wegg | has anyone had any experience with wordgrinder? I'm very happy with it overall but the spell checker seems to ignore any word that plural. Or has a past tense. . . |
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| 20:57.55 | Wegg | Share is spelled correctly but shared is flagged as miss spelled. |
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| 20:58.55 | joepublic | oh, the irony |
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| 21:00.13 | Schmeckle | tharkun: Okay rebooted. Same issue. dmesg shows me three connection tries. each time "send auth"..., "authenticated", then "aborting authentication with ... by local choice 3 DEAUTH_LEAVING" |
| 21:00.21 | nkuttler | tharkun: http headers? dev tools, network tab |
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| 21:00.57 | Schmeckle | nkuttler: What I sent to tharkun was meant for you, mistyped |
| 21:01.05 | tharkun | nkuttler: looking into it now. Thanks. This webby thingy is new to me. Specially gui browsers :( |
| 21:01.34 | nkuttler | Schmeckle: pgrep -af NetworkManager |
| 21:01.39 | nkuttler | Schmeckle: does that show something? |
| 21:01.40 | hal529 | I'm attempting to install an RPi chroot on an Opensuse desktop -- using 2-stage debootstrap. |
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| 21:01.40 | hal529 | 1st stage, debootstrap: |
| 21:01.40 | hal529 | debootstrap --verbose --include=gpgv,gpgv2,raspbian-archive-keyring --keyring=/root/.gnupg/pubring.gpg --arch=armhf --variant=buildd --foreign --keep-debootstrap-dir stretch $chroot $mirror |
| 21:01.44 | hal529 | execs with no apparent error. But fails to install $chroot/debootstrap/debootstrap -- which IIUC is what "--foreign" flag is supposed to ensure. |
| 21:01.45 | hal529 | The debootstrap pkg *IS* installed, at $chroot/var/cache/apt/archives/debootstrap_1.0.89_all.deb. Just doesn't seem to get unpacked/isntalled IN the chroot like all the other pkgs. |
| 21:01.45 | hal529 | Have I missed a step/flag/etc? |
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| 21:01.51 | Schmeckle | nkuttler: Does the fact that the wifi interface also got named not something like wlan0 or wlan1 but wlx64700...6f? |
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| 21:02.08 | nkuttler | Schmeckle: that shouldn't matter |
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| 21:02.17 | nkuttler | !tell hal529 about paste |
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| 21:03.22 | Schmeckle | nkuttler: Yes it shows stuff. Should I paste it here? |
| 21:03.48 | Schmeckle | 3610 /sbin/dhclient -d -q -sf /usr/lib/NetworkManager/nm-dhcp-helper -pf /run/dhclient-wlp1s0.pid -lf /var/lib/NetworkManager/dhclient-5f1e9922-94a3-4cd8-bf76-edcdd03c4532-wlp1s0.lease -cf /var/lib/NetworkManager/dhclient-wlp1s0.conf wlp1s0 |
| 21:03.54 | nkuttler | Schmeckle: nah. sounds like your network credentials are wrong |
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| 21:04.43 | Schmeckle | nkuttler: I tried it with the exact same credentials and the exact same network that I am in right at this moment. I even set up a mobile hotspot with my phone and set a simple PW and tried it |
| 21:04.57 | Schmeckle | nkuttler: I will try the mobile AP again right now. |
| 21:06.15 | nkuttler | Schmeckle: nmcli --version |
| 21:06.19 | Schmeckle | nkuttler: Propably dumb question, but can this even work when I already have an established wifi connection on the same machine using the internal wifi adapter? |
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| 21:06.40 | nkuttler | Schmeckle: never tried that, but i don't see why not |
| 21:06.46 | Schmeckle | nmcli tool, version 1.14.4 |
| 21:06.50 | nkuttler | but i know jack all about wireless networks |
| 21:06.56 | nkuttler | ,v network-manager |
| 21:06.57 | judd | Package: network-manager on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.9.4.0-10; jessie: 0.9.10.0-7; stretch: 1.6.2-3+deb9u2; stretch-backports: 1.14.4-2~bpo9+1; buster: 1.14.4-3; sid: 1.14.4-3 |
| 21:07.11 | nkuttler | Schmeckle: apt-cache policy network-manager |
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| 21:07.57 | Schmeckle | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.57 | Schmeckle | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.57 | Schmeckle | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.58 | Schmeckle | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.00 | Schmeckle | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:08.12 | nkuttler | !tell Schmeckle about paste |
| 21:08.25 | nkuttler | !pureos |
| 21:08.25 | dpkg | PureOS and PureOSlight are French GNU/Linux live CD distributions, based on Debian's <testing> branch. http://pureos.org/ Ask me about <based on debian>. |
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| 21:08.40 | nkuttler | Schmeckle: ask pureos support.. |
| 21:09.03 | Schmeckle | Okay I will. Thank you for your time anyways! :-) |
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| 21:10.26 | hal529 | I've a question about using chroot + debootstrap: http://paste.debian.net/plainh/6be3d601 |
| 21:11.10 | tharkun | hal529: opensuse!=debian |
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| 21:12.43 | hal529 | tharkun I'm installing a debian based distro using debootstrap |
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| 21:13.31 | tharkun | first you need to run debootstrap on suse. Which seems to be the place you are stuck now. Sorry I ditched Suse linux some time ago. |
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| 21:15.51 | hal529 | Running it isn't the problem. The fact that debootstrap, a debian script, isn't doing what it should be doing, namely "A copy of debootstrap sufficient for completing the bootstrap process will be installed as /debootstrap/debootstrap in the target filesystem." when the '--foreign' flag is defined, is. |
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| 21:20.48 | tharkun | hal529: Really debian is not debian based. You should know by now that the devil is in the details. A bash script poorly ported or a dependency poorly ported would make it useless. Common you know better. |
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| 21:36.01 | pakman_no | Hi, I recently installed Debian (buster) to test the new Gnome, and I'm experiencing some graphical issues with miniatures of desktops in overview mode and when opening new windows. Does anyone know of a fix for this? I'm on a dell xps13 with intel integrated graphics and enabled non-free repos. |
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| 21:38.24 | annadane | !debian-next |
| 21:38.24 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 21:38.26 | annadane | pakman_no, ^ |
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| 21:39.54 | pakman_no | you're right, thanks |
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| 21:50.02 | dead | Quick question..I'm trying to install debian from the 9.6.0 "live" cinnamon image. There doesn't appear to be the debian-installer or any installation related software on this image? |
| 21:50.29 | dead | Is it no possible to install from the live image anymore? |
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| 21:54.11 | InvisibleRasta | heya, from waht repo i can fin dthe pantheon DE packages? |
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| 21:59.21 | noln | dead, check the boot menu, before linux is booted |
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| 22:19.58 | dead | yeah i made the boot image...ok so it's not supported anymore according to this: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=844611 directly from the live image |
| 22:19.59 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/844611 in wnpp (open): «O: debian-installer-launcher -- Debian Installer desktop launcher»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-11-17; last modified: 2016-11-17. |
| 22:20.11 | dead | thanks |
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| 22:32.41 | noln | dead, that page is about the installer inside Xorg (after linux was booted), the installer should still be in the boot menu. It certainly is in Debian live XFCE's iso, I'd expect it from cinnamon as well |
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| 22:39.06 | jhutchins | I know installing from live has been available but not recommended for several releases. No idea if that's changed. |
| 22:39.28 | jhutchins | 1PANTHEON |
| 22:39.38 | jhutchins | !pantheon |
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| 22:59.24 | servo | Hello, how can i download and view the strlen.c source code in debian? i downloaded the glibc-source package but i still can't find where it is |
| 22:59.42 | servo | I have been googling this over 20 mins and I still can't figure out where it is on my actual linux system |
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| 23:06.38 | ChmEarl | strlen.c is in the source for libc6: tar -tf glibc_2.27.orig.tar.xz | grep strlen -> glibc-2.27/string/strlen.c |
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| 23:07.04 | ChmEarl | its never on a stock debian install |
| 23:07.43 | joepublic | you can search the contents of packages here: https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 23:09.34 | BoggGod | Hey, after trying to fix screen tearing by installing compton for xfce I'm logging in to a black screen again... I tried reinstalling xfce, changing from gdm3 to lightdm, trying to login with kde, but all results in a blackscreen. Can only log in via terminal by changing tty. Any idea how I could fix this? |
| 23:10.01 | BoggGod | (debian buster, nvidia graphics) |
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| 23:11.04 | RoyK | ChmEarl: servo left - another way btw is apt source libc6 |
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| 23:11.13 | jhutchins | ,v xfdesktop4 |
| 23:11.14 | judd | Package: xfdesktop4 on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.8.3-2; jessie: 4.10.2-3; stretch: 4.12.3-3; buster: 4.12.4-2; sid: 4.12.4-2; experimental: 4.13.2-1 |
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| 23:33.23 | Ede|Popede | jhutchins: i think this is what i did. put the iso to a stick while i was not ready to do the actual install, then forgot about it being the live. seems i missed some screens during install (like software selection) but all it would take later is some cleanup. |
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