| 00:00.16 | Ede|Popede | scatterbrainz: serverside, extends node.js - so yes |
| 00:00.33 | rocketmagnet | Brigo: yes |
| 00:00.47 | rocketmagnet | i'm using the geforce binray drivers for the nvidia site |
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| 00:01.11 | Brigo | !frankendebian |
| 00:01.11 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
| 00:01.15 | Ede|Popede | the question is: is it sent to the client? is it mentioned in a <script> tag or in another JS? if now, it is server side. and local to the webserver. |
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| 00:02.29 | Brigo | rocketmagnet, anyway, i have to go, good luck. |
| 00:02.45 | scatterbrainz | Edel: can we chat pvt for a second? |
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| 00:04.19 | Ede|Popede | scatterbrainz: if you mean me... sure. but note: i am a honest person! (or at least try to be... sometimes g*) |
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| 00:37.53 | rocketmagnet | thanks for your help, gn8 |
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| 00:51.16 | fareast | oh wow debian is trying to start, |
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| 00:51.33 | fareast | and it did |
| 00:51.47 | fareast | so using my write method to usb worked. |
| 00:51.49 | dvs | \o/ |
| 00:52.49 | fareast | ok well off to debian we go. |
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| 00:59.33 | Starz0r | what should I do if I use the debian ARM64 port and get this whenever I try to install anything? https://paste.rs/FhG |
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| 01:00.03 | Starz0r | oh this isn't #raspbian |
| 01:00.29 | Starz0r | oh well, the same thing applies, I got no answers from then asking twice, and apt in verbose mode doesn't give me any details |
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| 01:06.20 | SerajewelKS | Starz0r: means you have no apt sources with the package. make sure you have the proper sources in your sources.list and "apt update" |
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| 02:06.07 | Krennic | i just use two virtual box mostly i run debian but rarely i run ubuntu 18.10 on my windows machine that i use it just as a host and for music staff |
| 02:06.53 | Krennic | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.02 | Krennic | where do i get debian 10 |
| 02:07.07 | Krennic | woc |
| 02:07.24 | WoC | Do you have a ppc64 ? |
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| 02:07.44 | WoC | Krennic ? |
| 02:07.54 | Krennic | no |
| 02:08.08 | WoC | Then i dont know, only for ppc64 |
| 02:08.18 | Krennic | ah ok |
| 02:08.27 | WoC | not to be confused with ppc64le / ppc64el |
| 02:09.43 | WoC | I truly fully and completely hate little endians ;P |
| 02:10.04 | Krennic | . |
| 02:10.46 | themill | Starz0r: what does "dpkg --print-architecture" say? |
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| 02:13.24 | Starz0r | themill: says armhf |
| 02:13.36 | Starz0r | idk why it would be configured to that by default |
| 02:14.05 | themill | this is not a configuration item, that's what your installation is |
| 02:14.08 | Starz0r | uname -a: Linux 4.20.0-rc3-v8+ #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Nov 23 05:25:58 STD 2018 aarch64 GNU/Linux |
| 02:14.22 | Starz0r | is it changable? |
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| 02:14.36 | Starz0r | i'm guessing it affects apt in some way |
| 02:14.54 | themill | that's the architecture that dpkg was compiled for |
| 02:15.01 | dvs | and retrieves |
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| 02:15.33 | themill | Starz0r: what does "dpkg -l dpkg apt libc6" say? |
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| 02:16.40 | Starz0r | themill: https://paste.rs/K7a |
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| 02:17.31 | themill | yeah, that's definitely an armhf installation not an arm64 installation |
| 02:18.01 | themill | You can run armhf on top of an arm64 kernel in the same way you can run an i386 installation with an amd64 kernel |
| 02:18.15 | Starz0r | themill: how can I get arm64 packages then |
| 02:19.06 | themill | if you want the foreign arch package, you use :arm64 as you have been doing. |
| 02:19.18 | themill | more likely, you actually want an arm64 installation from what you're saying |
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| 02:22.36 | Starz0r | themill: i'm not sure how to get an arm64 installation since this image is basically raspbian |
| 02:22.43 | Starz0r | all I did was compile the kernel |
| 02:22.54 | themill | you'd need to ask the raspbian people about that |
| 02:22.57 | Starz0r | the raspberrypi foundation refuses to actually provide arm64 sources |
| 02:23.18 | Starz0r | is it possible to upgrade all the programs to arm64 through apt somehow? |
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| 02:23.41 | dvs | !frankendebian |
| 02:23.41 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
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| 02:24.02 | themill | I've done i386 to amd64; I assume you can do armhf to arm64 somehow... It's pretty hairy and when it breaks you get to keep both pieces. |
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| 02:24.08 | themill | !crossgrade |
| 02:24.08 | dpkg | Converting an i386 installation into an amd64 installation in-place is quite difficult. It's much easier to reinstall the system with the new architecture -- ask me about <install debian>. If you've got good backups, plenty of time and are feeling lucky, you can try https://wiki.debian.org/CrossGrading but really... good backups... |
| 02:24.31 | Starz0r | well there is nothing on this system to keep |
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| 02:24.40 | Starz0r | so I'm willing to do what it takes to cross grade it |
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| 02:38.06 | hyperlumic | If there's nothing on the system to keep, then just reinstall. |
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| 02:52.41 | Starz0r | hyperlumic: I'm using raspbian, not the debian arm64 port, they refuse to provide it for some reason |
| 02:55.22 | hyperlumic | "they" refuse to provide "what?" |
| 02:57.49 | Borntuft | I installed Debian about a year ago. I'm in the process of swapping out processors and adding ram to the system. Do I need to update anything, reinstall the OS or will the kernel figure it all out? |
| 02:58.18 | hyperlumic | Borntuft: As long as the architecture is the same, you should be fine. |
| 02:58.37 | Borntuft | 64 bit chip to 64 bit chip, so yes |
| 03:00.15 | dvs | hyperlumic, raspbian refuses to provide an arm64 kernel |
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| 03:19.32 | rant | Borntuft: if you're still using a debian kernel you should be fine |
| 03:19.47 | Borntuft | rant, thanks |
| 03:20.00 | rant | Borntuft: debian kernels are broadly configured with initrd but if you'd compiled your own it may be too specific |
| 03:20.17 | Borntuft | I'm too much of a novice to compile my own |
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| 03:22.51 | ozzloy | http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-systemd/systemd.git;a=summary this gives 404. where do i find debian's systemd source? |
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| 03:23.42 | ozzloy | oh, found it i think https://salsa.debian.org/systemd-team/systemd |
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| 03:25.09 | rant | Borntuft: its actually really easy to do.. I never had such an easy time compiling anything.. I've had single file C programs give me more grief than the linux kernel source :P |
| 03:25.27 | rant | Borntuft: if it works or not when your done is a different story :P |
| 03:25.55 | rant | though using menuconfig the help is pretty descriptive and tells you what to do for each option if unsure |
| 03:26.05 | Borntuft | I'm more of a turn key, type of guy. Just want it to work. I never really understood the benefit to compiling my own kernel |
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| 03:26.58 | rant | Borntuft: well if you dont know, then there isnt one. heh. However I like to do it sometimes just to stay up to date on the new features.. its the easiest way to see what all the kernel can do, just grabbing the source and running menuconfig on it |
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| 03:27.41 | rant | Borntuft: if it werent for still doing that occasionally I wouldnt know about things like zram and such which I been meaning to try out |
| 03:28.17 | Borntuft | rant, excuse me while I find the netinstall files :O |
| 03:28.24 | Borntuft | ;D |
| 03:28.33 | rant | its also how I learned about kexec years ago and that one had saved me in a pinch before |
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| 03:29.53 | rant | I was in a very techless area with nothing but a SBC I'd screwed up the install on and all I had to boot from was an android SD card.. and was able to kexec jump into my debian install from android.. it was messy but it allowed me to get things working again without another machine |
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| 04:53.16 | WoC | What would be a good text mode flac player in debian? |
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| 04:58.48 | Sveta | WoC dpes |
| 04:58.56 | Sveta | WoC sorry. does mplayer play flac? |
| 04:59.19 | WoC | idk, dpes you said ? ty |
| 04:59.36 | Sveta | WoC no, 'dpes' was a typo for 'does' :) |
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| 04:59.43 | Sveta | WoC i said 'mplayer' |
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| 05:01.19 | WoC | oh, my mplayer is broken |
| 05:01.31 | WoC | Illegal instruction |
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| 05:04.16 | SerajewelKS | if you want a music library manager, there is mpd |
| 05:04.57 | SerajewelKS | i think VLC has a headless mode that should be able to play audio |
| 05:05.56 | SerajewelKS | moc, cplay, gst123... |
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| 05:09.19 | WoC | found one, cmus |
| 05:09.37 | WoC | ty SerajewelKS |
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| 05:10.54 | gijoe3k | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:11.07 | gijoe3k | You know when you right click the icon of a launch button or running program on the task bar and gives you a varied sort of options. I realize that Gnome 3 has this but it seems really limited and sad compared to WIn7 through WIn10 |
| 05:11.22 | gijoe3k | Is there an Gnome Shell extension or gconf/gnome tweak option that would expand on these options? |
| 05:11.53 | SerajewelKS | it's probably limited to programs that integrate with gnome, or there might be some extra information in the launcher file for those programs |
| 05:12.02 | SerajewelKS | not every program even knows or cares what gnome is |
| 05:12.44 | SerajewelKS | you might have more luck in #gnome as it's a pretty gnome-specific question, and really doesn't have that much to do with debian, specifically |
| 05:12.56 | SerajewelKS | (it's still on-topic here, though) |
| 05:13.22 | Sveta | gijoe3k ask each of the apps which you are using. ask them to add more custom options |
| 05:13.50 | Sveta | gijoe3k some of these apps may not even be made for gnome. others are. their developers may be happy to add this |
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| 05:15.38 | epicmetal | gijoe3k: do you mean like "Open Private Browsing" for Firefox? |
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| 05:17.25 | gijoe3k | brb |
| 05:17.34 | watchcat | it's more of a file-manger/filetype thing. windows calls them 'context menus' and it's the one thing windows explorer is really good at. |
| 05:21.33 | gijoe3k | Something more akin this: |
| 05:21.36 | gijoe3k | http://cits.cornwall.nhs.uk/images/Applications/Windows-7/Hints/PinnedtoList.png |
| 05:22.17 | gijoe3k | or |
| 05:22.23 | gijoe3k | https://i.stack.imgur.com/rFOQm.png |
| 05:22.46 | gijoe3k | @epicmetal, |
| 05:23.52 | epicmetal | gijoe3k: yeah it depends what is in the .desktop file |
| 05:24.07 | epicmetal | gijoe3k: not sure if there is an extra place for it |
| 05:24.10 | epicmetal | there may be |
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| 05:24.39 | gijoe3k | It's a small thing admittedly but holy cow once i started getting into the habit of using it for apps/launchers/shortcuts it saved some much time and felt natural. |
| 05:24.40 | epicmetal | although that's not exactly dynamic |
| 05:25.20 | epicmetal | Windows' implementation can be annoying though, e.g. the remote desktop client doesn't let you reorder entires, and there is a max entries (no scrolling) |
| 05:25.28 | gijoe3k | yeah for sure. couldn't figure out the best way to describe it doh |
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| 07:03.56 | RoyK | ,v plex |
| 07:03.56 | judd | No package named 'plex' was found in amd64. |
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| 07:18.17 | fpbxuser | judd: isn't it offered as a .deb on plex.com? |
| 07:18.31 | fpbxuser | er, plex.tv |
| 07:19.14 | fpbxuser | judd: https://www.plex.tv/media-server-downloads/#plex-media-server |
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| 07:19.55 | fpbxuser | debian isn't officially supported, ubuntu is |
| 07:19.56 | fpbxuser | https://downloads.plex.tv/plex-media-server/1.13.9.5456-ecd600442/plexmediaserver_1.13.9.5456-ecd600442_amd64.deb |
| 07:20.05 | Dat | on jessie i am getting Don't know how to set addresses for family 10. when adding an ipv6 ip is there a fix for this? |
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| 07:30.35 | rant | nope, there is no fix for vague issues |
| 07:30.49 | rant | try again with what command you are running and the exact output |
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| 07:35.19 | Dat | rant: ifconfig eth0 inet6 myipv6address and then I get Don't know how to set addresses for family 10 |
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| 07:45.38 | rant | all I know about this is that ifconfig is deprecated and that ipv6 is address family 2 |
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| 07:46.06 | rant | suggests to me the error indicates an error at a different layer below the one you're trying to change |
| 07:48.15 | rant | seems its PICNIC |
| 07:48.40 | rant | #86237 |
| 07:49.09 | rant | ,dbugs #86237 |
| 07:49.15 | rant | ,hello? |
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| 07:49.36 | rant | ,i foo |
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| 07:49.37 | judd | No package named 'foo' was found in stretch/amd64. |
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| 07:49.52 | rant | I could swear you pull up bugs just by me saying the number |
| 07:49.54 | rant | :P |
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| 07:50.43 | jelly | Dat, using a custom kernel perhaps? When was the last time the machine was rebooted? What does your /etc/network/interfaces look like? |
| 07:50.52 | rant | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=86237 |
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| 07:51.16 | jelly | if thy have six figure yeah, but five figures would be really, really old |
| 07:51.23 | rant | ah |
| 07:51.48 | rant | yeah its old but suggests the syntax is wrong, despite what you would gleen glancing at the top of man ifconfig |
| 07:52.57 | rant | says you have to say "add" in the command |
| 07:53.28 | rant | which I've used ifconfig in the past for setting IPv4 and I dont recall saying add, but w/e |
| 07:53.42 | jelly | Dat, what about "ip a add myipv6address/mask dev eth0" instead |
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| 09:29.33 | Linuxlars | Do anyone know how I update the default python envirement on Debian? I have 3.5 and want 3.7 |
| 09:33.19 | colo-work | you can't; that's not how Debian does things. |
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| 09:34.03 | colo-work | you could run Debian buster (the current "testing" release), it probably has 3.7 by default. but it will be a different user experience than Debian stretch (the current "stable" release) |
| 09:34.28 | rafalcpp | do you think people still use Debian 8, is this a system that needs to be targeted really, when writting software (usable on servers) ? |
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| 09:38.12 | Linuxlars | I prefer Stable, but is it posible to upgrade python in a viritual python -envirement then or most I use 3.5 |
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| 09:45.41 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: Depends on your target group. |
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| 09:46.39 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: But given that Debian 8 is getting LTS, if you're writing *new* server software I wouldn't put Debian 8 support high on the list. |
| 09:47.52 | avu | Linuxlars: you can use pyenv to get a 3.7 install for a certain use in addition to the system Python |
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| 09:50.44 | Linuxlars | avu: That's good |
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| 09:52.45 | whjeon | I have a question. According to Debian's testing wiki page, Debian dev recommend not to use backport before upgrade to testing. But, again according to Debian's Nvidia driver wiki page, they recommended backport method.(becuase I need newer driver, nvidia 1030), then Am I unable to upgrade to testing branch? or how can I resolve this situation? |
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| 09:53.30 | petn-randall | whjeon: Can you link the page? |
| 09:53.47 | whjeon | OK wait a second pls |
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| 09:54.15 | whjeon | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting |
| 09:54.38 | whjeon | here says 'Remove or comment out any other stable-specific lines, like *-backports or *-updates.' under How to upgrade to Debian (next-stable) Testing |
| 09:54.41 | whjeon | and then again |
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| 09:54.49 | petn-randall | whjeon: It says to remove the *-backports lines, as they don't exist for testing. |
| 09:54.53 | petn-randall | !testing |
| 09:54.53 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <buster>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
| 09:55.01 | whjeon | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:55.06 | whjeon | https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Version_390.48_.28via_stretch-backports.29 |
| 09:55.14 | whjeon | deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch-backports main contrib non-free |
| 09:55.36 | petn-randall | whjeon: I recommend you using stable + backports. Only use testing if you want to test the unreleased version of Debian. |
| 09:55.46 | whjeon | Oh! OK |
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| 10:19.22 | Iridos | dpkg, pinning |
| 10:19.23 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at https://web.archive.org/web/20121017070250/http://carlo17.home.xs4all.nl/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 10:24.36 | SALstar | Hello. How can I configure preseed settings (d-i) from an preseed/run script? Can I generate configuration at install time from a shell script? |
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| 10:35.17 | borrougagnou | Hi ! I have a problem with my wireless...., (Intel Wireless-AC 9560 [Jefferson Peak]) I installed the firmware-iwlwifi from 'sid', it founded on lspci, but not in `ip addr` or `ifconfig` how can I see if my wifi is working or not? |
| 10:36.07 | borrougagnou | *found on |
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| 10:38.59 | petn-randall | borrougagnou: Are you running sid? |
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| 10:41.05 | borrougagnou | no stretch |
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| 10:42.04 | petn-randall | borrougagnou: Then I would stay with the firmware package from stretch. |
| 10:42.23 | petn-randall | borrougagnou: If the wifi is too new, I'd try installing a kernel from backports. |
| 10:42.29 | petn-randall | !stretch-backports |
| 10:42.29 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Buster (Debian 10) but recompiled for use with Stretch (Debian 9) can be found in the stretch-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>. |
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| 10:44.14 | borrougagnou | Ha ! yes ! I didn't think about it, bah, it's late now for purge and reinstall and I don't think it change something |
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| 10:48.25 | borrougagnou | my wireless is now detected from lspci and but not in iwconfig |
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| 10:52.28 | borrougagnou | *and lshw -C network bit not in iwconfig |
| 10:52.33 | borrougagnou | *but |
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| 10:54.51 | scatterbrainz | morning peeps :) |
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| 10:56.22 | petn-randall | borrougagnou: `lspci` will show you every device on the PCI bus, whether there are drivers for it or not. So I recommend removing firmware-iwlwifi, reinstalling it from stretch, and installing a kernel from backports. |
| 10:56.35 | petn-randall | Mixing packages from different releases is dangerous: |
| 10:56.36 | scatterbrainz | does anyone have keygen experience .... ? |
| 10:56.38 | petn-randall | !frankendebian |
| 10:56.38 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
| 10:56.53 | petn-randall | scatterbrainz: It's better if you ask you actual question. |
| 10:56.58 | petn-randall | *your |
| 10:57.22 | scatterbrainz | petn-randall: kinda need a walk through, i did it last night and somehow ended up with 20 keys. LOLOL |
| 10:57.50 | petn-randall | !lol |
| 10:57.50 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 10:58.07 | scatterbrainz | oooo AOhell? |
| 10:58.14 | scatterbrainz | i remember the expression |
| 10:58.26 | borrougagnou | petn-randall: k I can try |
| 10:58.41 | scatterbrainz | so I'm reading in the debian handbook... does it matter which directory your in on the client computer for keygen? |
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| 11:03.38 | scatterbrainz | ? |
| 11:04.10 | Fox | no |
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| 11:04.30 | Fox | default location will be ~/.ssh/ |
| 11:05.25 | scatterbrainz | so on my macbook there'll be a hidden directory ~/.ssh/ |
| 11:05.48 | Fox | there should be (never used a mac) yes |
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| 11:06.32 | petn-randall | scatterbrainz: Nothing wrong with 20 keys if you want 20 keys. |
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| 11:06.54 | scatterbrainz | petn: is was definetly a screwed up thing |
| 11:07.09 | scatterbrainz | i'm just trying to create secured tunneling into to my linux box from anywhere |
| 11:07.34 | petn-randall | scatterbrainz: Maybe if you explain what you're trying to achieve, how you tried to achieve it, and what you got instead, we'd be able to give you specific pointers. |
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| 11:11.38 | scatterbrainz | petn-randall: i have deb - stretch, apache2, and mariadb with mysql-workbench installed, I'm a web dev. and I have a final project, my final project, I want to create a *FAKE* ...but functional piggybank, one of the things banks do, is they copy that DB into a cloud enviro, so I need make a DB, then copy it to cloud, then create a front-end and back-end to access, like a regular user would, to do so, means a |
| 11:11.38 | scatterbrainz | lot of permissions and set ups, and all that, there's duality in the sense that some of the setup will be done while I'm at school and not @ home, which make things much faster, but how that cloud plays with node.js apache (i'm assuming apache is the front-end for web page hosting)....does this make sense? |
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| 11:12.58 | petn-randall | scatterbrainz: I don't know what that has to do keygen. Do you mean ssh-keygen? |
| 11:13.13 | scatterbrainz | petn-randall: yes |
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| 11:15.08 | scatterbrainz | also is -b 4096 advisable? |
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| 11:20.47 | pa | hi |
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| 11:21.11 | pa | i would like to rebuild https://packages.ubuntu.com/cosmic/libprotobuf10 with -enable-shared. how would i do that? |
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| 11:22.05 | petn-randall | scatterbrainz: You still have to explain what you want to do that has anything to do with ssh-keygen. |
| 11:22.23 | scatterbrainz | petn-randall: remote access into the box |
| 11:22.57 | petn-randall | which box? |
| 11:23.06 | scatterbrainz | the linux box with mariaDB on it |
| 11:23.11 | scatterbrainz | so I can set up the db's remotely |
| 11:23.18 | themill | dpkg: tell pa about package recompile |
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| 11:24.33 | petn-randall | scatterbrainz: Then generate a key, and add the pubkey to the access list on the remote side via ssh-copy-id. |
| 11:25.18 | scatterbrainz | and hence where I'm confused |
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| 11:25.39 | scatterbrainz | is the key gen done on the linux box, and copied to remote client, or other way around? |
| 11:25.49 | petn-randall | scatterbrainz: Maybe explain how far you actually got yourself. |
| 11:26.06 | petn-randall | scatterbrainz: You generally generate the key on the device that keep the private key. |
| 11:26.11 | petn-randall | *keeps |
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| 11:27.04 | scatterbrainz | ok, let me be clear: I have linux box @ home, and a macbook laptop - remote, so the keygen is generated in the linuxbox @ home, and copied to the client macbook for remote access. |
| 11:27.11 | scatterbrainz | but in the copy command |
| 11:27.22 | scatterbrainz | i have no idea what the user@host is for the macbook |
| 11:27.31 | borrougagnou | k I do that: apt purge firmware-iwlwifi ; reboot =====> apt -t stretch-backports install "firmware-iwlwifi" #(he installed "20180825+dfsg-1~bpo9+1" version) but same after reboot, he don't work |
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| 11:31.15 | furrymcgee | SALstar: try preseed configuration with debconf-get-selections | debconf-set-selections ; see /usr/share/doc/installation-guide-amd64/en/apbs03.html |
| 11:32.03 | petn-randall | borrougagnou: You still need to install a kernel from backports. |
| 11:32.03 | kqr | if `free -m` reports twice the amount of RAM specified in the contract with the server owner – have they accidentally put too much RAM in the box, or am I missing something? |
| 11:32.41 | petn-randall | kqr: `cat /proc/meminfo` will tell you in better detail. |
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| 11:33.18 | petn-randall | scatterbrainz: So you want to access the macbook from your linuxbox? |
| 11:33.23 | borrougagnou | petn-randall, uh what?!? |
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| 11:33.54 | scatterbrainz | petn-randall: no otherway round |
| 11:34.12 | scatterbrainz | access linuxbox from macbook when not home |
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| 11:34.50 | petn-randall | scatterbrainz: Ok, and what steps did you take to achieve this? |
| 11:35.04 | petn-randall | borrougagnou: Can you elaborate on your question? |
| 11:35.21 | borrougagnou | I just want to use wifi driver nothing other |
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| 11:35.55 | scatterbrainz | petn-randall: i feel like i'm going in circles here |
| 11:35.57 | Fox | scatterbrainz: you did it the wrong way, you have to generate the keys on the macbook, copy the pubkey to the linux box, not the other way... |
| 11:36.18 | petn-randall | borrougagnou: Right. And that will likely be in the newer kernel from backports. firmware is not the driver. |
| 11:36.20 | Fox | if you really want to access the linux bow form the macbook, like you just said |
| 11:36.28 | Fox | s/bow/box/ |
| 11:37.26 | borrougagnou | what kernel you mean? what "package" ?!? I'm already up to date |
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| 11:37.44 | petn-randall | borrougagnou: So you installed the kernel from backports, and booted into it? |
| 11:38.03 | petn-randall | ,kernels |
| 11:38.04 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.19.0-rc7-686-pae (4.19~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.18.0-3-686 (4.18.20-2); buster: 4.18.0-2-686-pae (4.18.10-2+b1); stretch-backports: 4.18.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.18.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.130-2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u5~deb8u1); |
| 11:38.05 | judd | wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1) |
| 11:38.45 | petn-randall | borrougagnou: You installed the kernel via `apt -t stretch-backports install linux-image-amd64`? |
| 11:39.11 | borrougagnou | absolutely not, but I'll try |
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| 11:42.37 | petn-randall | scatterbrainz: I was confused, because you called the macbook "remote". In my terminology that's the machine you'd access from your *local* machine. |
| 11:43.04 | petn-randall | scatterbrainz: So your macbook is the *local* machine you're sitting in front of, and the Linux box is the *remote* machine you want to access? |
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| 11:45.15 | scatterbrainz | petn-randall: yes |
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| 11:45.24 | scatterbrainz | i just ran a keygen on the macbook |
| 11:45.27 | rocketmagnet | hi everyone, i tried to compile vim with python support but with no luck: http://paste.debian.net/1053386 |
| 11:45.45 | scatterbrainz | but when I tried to copy the key to the linuxbox - ~ could not resolve hostname |
| 11:45.45 | rocketmagnet | what was the apt-get command to install all build dependencies ? |
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| 11:45.56 | scatterbrainz | so...do I use the local IP address or the public IP address. |
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| 11:47.55 | petn-randall | rocketmagnet: `apt build-dep <package>` |
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| 11:48.14 | borrougagnou | F you're true petn-randall, Intel require kernel 4.14, and Debian stretch use kernel 4.9, so, now it work ! |
| 11:48.16 | petn-randall | scatterbrainz: Whatever address you have set up to make it reachable via SSH. |
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| 11:48.33 | petn-randall | borrougagnou: Glad I could help! |
| 11:48.37 | borrougagnou | thx ! |
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| 11:51.21 | scatterbrainz | crap...operation timeout |
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| 11:54.47 | scatterbrainz | it keeps timing out on port 22 |
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| 11:57.31 | petn-randall | scatterbrainz: That means you haven't set up the networking part yet. |
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| 11:58.11 | scatterbrainz | how do ya mean? |
| 11:58.17 | scatterbrainz | i have ssh & sshd running |
| 11:58.23 | scatterbrainz | i have port forwarding in the modem on |
| 11:58.33 | scatterbrainz | su |
| 11:58.37 | scatterbrainz | oops |
| 11:58.40 | scatterbrainz | hahah |
| 11:58.44 | petn-randall | scatterbrainz: Then it shouldn't time out. |
| 11:59.16 | scatterbrainz | could not load host key: .... |
| 11:59.49 | scatterbrainz | ls |
| 11:59.57 | petn-randall | scatterbrainz: This is not your terminal. |
| 12:00.03 | scatterbrainz | i know |
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| 12:00.13 | scatterbrainz | i have to many windows open heheheheh ( have 3 monitors) |
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| 12:01.16 | petn-randall | scatterbrainz: It would really help if you have a more structured approach to it. You're poking back and forth, showing single error lines, etc. Which makes it really difficult for us to help you. (assuming you want help from the channel) |
| 12:01.49 | scatterbrainz | help would be nice...but to ask someone to help set up from scratch ...is asking too much |
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| 12:04.09 | petn-randall | scatterbrainz: If you have general networking problems, ##networking might be of better help. |
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| 12:05.08 | scatterbrainz | i'm hoping if I restart the box, it'll start its ssh and sshd and put the keys it needs (default) in |
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| 12:06.06 | Ede|Popede | scatterbrainz: but this also could be turning you into the correct position and then pushing you on the back so you'd find your way mostly alone later ;) |
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| 12:06.28 | Ede|Popede | good morning or whatever your local time is ;) |
| 12:06.37 | scatterbrainz | its 7:06 EST |
| 12:06.53 | scatterbrainz | and yeah I think i screwed it up bad :( |
| 12:06.55 | scatterbrainz | ugh |
| 12:08.15 | petn-randall | !ugh |
| 12:08.15 | dpkg | oh yes baby, one more time.. ugh.. ahh.. uhggggggh.. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 12:08.21 | Ede|Popede | hehe |
| 12:08.29 | scatterbrainz | #eye-roll |
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| 12:49.12 | DevAntoine | Hi |
| 12:49.34 | DevAntoine | My Debian server has a wrong date set. I thought it was sync with NTP, what am I missing? |
| 12:50.38 | hyperlumic | NTP won't work if the time difference is dramatic. |
| 12:51.08 | hyperlumic | Also, are you sure you have ntp enabled? |
| 12:51.09 | teus | well its time protocol... not date protocol |
| 12:51.34 | hyperlumic | teus: Time includes date. |
| 12:51.46 | DevAntoine | "systemctl status openntpd.service" says it's running |
| 12:51.55 | DevAntoine | So, what should I do? Restart ntp? |
| 12:52.01 | hyperlumic | I assume you installed that on your own? |
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| 12:52.20 | DevAntoine | hyperlumic: nop |
| 12:52.22 | DevAntoine | out of the box |
| 12:52.42 | DevAntoine | In fact I upgraded this box back then in august, from debian 8 to 9 and neevr checked it since then :D |
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| 12:53.15 | hyperlumic | That might have been a holdover from jessie. |
| 12:53.21 | hyperlumic | First, remove that package. |
| 12:53.50 | hyperlumic | Second, 'timedatectl set-ntp on'. |
| 12:54.08 | hyperlumic | Third, you might set the time reasonably close to the current time. NTP will handle precision from there. |
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| 12:54.48 | teus | half of the time, my laptop doesnt wake when i put it to sleep. just a black screen |
| 12:54.55 | teus | where do i even begin to troubleshoot this? |
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| 12:59.22 | DevAntoine | hyperlumic: oh, so ntp has beenr eplaced by timedatectl, which comes from system-d? |
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| 13:00.19 | hyperlumic | DevAntoine: More correctly, systemd now includes an ntp client. |
| 13:00.35 | hyperlumic | systemd-timesyncd |
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| 13:00.45 | DevAntoine | I see, thanks |
| 13:01.33 | DevAntoine | So, time hasn't change |
| 13:01.35 | DevAntoine | :D |
| 13:01.45 | hyperlumic | Did you set the time manually to a more correct time? |
| 13:02.00 | DevAntoine | hyperlumic: I got to rtfm how to do it but I don't udnerstand why I have to do it. |
| 13:02.13 | hyperlumic | I said that already. |
| 13:02.27 | hyperlumic | NTP will not modify the system time if it's too far off. Generally, that's > 1000 seconds. |
| 13:02.32 | hyperlumic | The wrong DATE is definitely more than 1000 seconds off. |
| 13:02.41 | DevAntoine | hyperlumic: makes no sense to me but ok. |
| 13:03.25 | hyperlumic | There are a ton of reasons, but I won't go into a long-winded lecture here. Sufficed to say, that's the requirement. |
| 13:03.47 | hyperlumic | Also make sure your timezone is correct. |
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| 13:04.12 | hyperlumic | Syntax: timedatectl set-time 2018-11-27 07:54:41 |
| 13:04.48 | hyperlumic | Obviously, adjust the time according to your local time. |
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| 13:08.58 | DevAntoine | hyperlumic: I disabled ntp sync, I did "timedatectl set-time '18:11:26' but the date doesn't change oO |
| 13:10.08 | hyperlumic | You didn't specify a date, of course it didn't change. |
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| 13:10.28 | hyperlumic | See my syntax line above. |
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| 13:12.34 | DevAntoine | hyperlumic: Failed to set time: The name org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1 was not provided by any .service files |
| 13:12.39 | DevAntoine | Gosh what is happening with my machine oO |
| 13:13.01 | hyperlumic | As root, please. |
| 13:13.12 | hyperlumic | I'd think it obvious that an unprivileged user can't set the time... |
| 13:14.06 | DevAntoine | hyperlumic: gosh yes, it's obvious, not like the error message. |
| 13:14.11 | DevAntoine | hyperlumic: sorry and thanks. |
| 13:14.40 | hyperlumic | The error message is actually because the command is trying to use polkit to authorize the action. |
| 13:14.54 | hyperlumic | If you don't have polkit installed, it gives a pretty obscure error, yes. |
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| 14:25.26 | mpodien | is there like a log of who connected to ssh with which pub key? |
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| 14:26.09 | bezaban | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.13 | bezaban | almost. |
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| 14:29.23 | JustASlacker | shakes head |
| 14:29.34 | JustASlacker | need to increase ssh logging for that I think |
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| 14:29.50 | JustASlacker | or rather sshd logging |
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| 14:30.06 | vlt | /var/log/auth.log looks fine to me. |
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| 15:07.19 | bryceml | Anyone know how I would find out when isc-dhcp-client will be repackaged with version 4.4.1? |
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| 15:08.09 | greycat | !debian-next |
| 15:08.09 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 15:08.09 | petn-randall | ,v isc-dhcp-client |
| 15:08.10 | judd | Package: isc-dhcp-client on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.2.2.dfsg.1-5+deb70u8; wheezy-security: 4.2.2.dfsg.1-5+deb70u9; jessie: 4.3.1-6+deb8u3; jessie-security: 4.3.1-6+deb8u3; stretch: 4.3.5-3+deb9u1; stretch-security: 4.3.5-3+deb9u1; buster: 4.3.5-4+b1; sid: 4.3.5-4+b1; experimental: 4.4.1-1 |
| 15:08.45 | petn-randall | bryceml: It's already in experimental, so there might be a chance that it makes it into buster some time. |
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| 15:09.42 | discovered | Debian testing having gnome 3.30.2 ? |
| 15:09.56 | bryceml | Oh, cool, I think I looked last week and it wasn't available yet. |
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| 15:13.58 | bryceml | What is the difference between unstable and experimental? |
| 15:14.06 | greycat | !experimental |
| 15:14.06 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
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| 15:22.00 | petn-randall | bryceml: experimental usually has known issues. Is there a reason you need 4.4.1? |
| 15:23.18 | bryceml | I need to be able to give a prefix delegation hint on dhcpv6. That feature is not available in 4.3. It is in 4.4.1 |
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| 15:24.02 | greycat | Well, for a experimental package, first you choose to run unstable, which means you get support elsewhere, and then you carefully install the one experimental package, and pray. |
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| 15:24.53 | bryceml | Hopefully that flag can be called from ifupdown as well when buster is released. |
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| 15:48.05 | iveqy | hi! I'm trying to add a new connection to the network manager. It works fins using nmcli but I need to do this during the install process before the network manager is started, so I tried to add a file describing the connectioni in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/myconnection however the network manager seems not to discover this connection |
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| 15:48.25 | iveqy | how can I add a new connection to the network manager without using the nmcli tool? |
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| 15:49.26 | petn-randall | iveqy: What connection do you need to bring up during install? |
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| 15:50.04 | petn-randall | I'm fairly sure that the installer doesn't use network-manager, but I might be wrong. |
| 15:50.09 | iveqy | petn-randall: a wifi connection. I'm doing automatic installs with a preseed and have made a special debian package that should add a wifi connection |
| 15:50.32 | iveqy | so I don't need to wifi connection _during_ the install but after the install with the first boot |
| 15:50.50 | iveqy | I wan't to use the network manager to monitoring the connection and reconnect if it fails |
| 15:51.10 | iveqy | but I need to add the connection to network manager and that's my problem |
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| 15:52.51 | petn-randall | iveqy: `man nmcli`, and look for the import/export options. |
| 15:53.10 | petn-randall | iveqy: `man nmcli`, and look for the `nmcli connection import/export` options. |
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| 15:53.45 | iveqy | petn-randall: it sounds good but it only supports VPN connections at the moment |
| 15:54.41 | petn-randall | iveqy: What does? |
| 15:55.02 | iveqy | the export and import commands for nmcli |
| 15:55.07 | iveqy | at least according to my manual |
| 15:55.12 | petn-randall | oh, right, just saw that. My bad. |
| 15:55.54 | petn-randall | iveqy: `nmcli connection add` should do the trick, though. |
| 15:56.33 | iveqy | petn-randall: it does, but I can't use it since the network manager isn't started at the time my deb-package is installed |
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| 16:53.04 | greycat | Do display managers create an /etc/alternatives/x-display-manager or something like that, which an end user can use to figure out which display manager is in use? |
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| 16:53.58 | greycat | Oh wait, I actually do have access to a machine with sddm in use... and the answer is no. No, they do not. |
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| 17:35.00 | hansol | 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 17:35.02 | hansol | 127.0.1.1 hayk.bijuteria-online.com |
| 17:35.24 | hansol | ../etc/hostname - is this is correct ? |
| 17:35.49 | petn-randall | hansol: Depends on what you want to achieve, and what your hostname is. |
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| 17:36.33 | hansol | why when im typing command hostname i get thiss : 127.0.0.1localhost |
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| 17:37.01 | hansol | and when im typing hostname -f i have: 127.0.0.1localhost |
| 17:37.20 | jelly | hansol: that looks more like entries for /etc/hosts instead of a single word that should be in /etc/hostname |
| 17:37.31 | jelly | !hostname |
| 17:37.31 | dpkg | Use «hostname foo» to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it does not exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', or ask me about <mailname>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
| 17:38.27 | jelly | /etc/hostname might contain just a single line with the short name "hayk" and nothing else |
| 17:38.35 | hansol | but in tutorial i see when he type hostname -f he have hayk.bijuteria-online.com i cant see my hostname -f |
| 17:38.46 | jelly | which tutorial? |
| 17:40.04 | hansol | https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/perfect-server-debian-9-stretch-apache-bind-dovecot-ispconfig-3-1/ |
| 17:40.08 | hansol | this tutorial see point 4 |
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| 17:40.56 | jelly | hansol: it seems you edited the wrong file. |
| 17:41.08 | hansol | mb yes you are correct will try now again |
| 17:41.22 | hansol | hostname and hosts files are not same |
| 17:41.35 | jelly | correct |
| 17:42.05 | jken | say I want to compile my own kernel for use on my debian stretch system, what benefits are there to using the debian supplied kernel source over the mainline kernel source? |
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| 17:42.35 | jelly | hansol: and you want both the long and the short name of the server in the line for /etc/hosts. Not just the long name, |
| 17:43.09 | jelly | jken: what's the goal of using a custom kernel? |
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| 17:45.06 | jken | jelly, I need to compile in some hardware drivers that are currently loaded as modules in order to debug another issue that occurs sometimes during boot |
| 17:45.21 | jken | was more just wondering what the difference was |
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| 17:47.42 | hansol | jelly, why now when im typing hostname in terminal i have this: hAYknews |
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| 17:47.54 | hansol | for hostname -f i got same |
| 17:48.43 | jelly | jken: there are a few functional patches in the debian tree, there're sane .configs, and there're lots of infrastructure around the source to make it build two dozen different builds for the distro |
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| 17:49.08 | hansol | they have to not be the same ? |
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| 17:49.19 | jken | jelly, so sounds like if I only need to worry about myself and my hardware, i might as well go mainline? |
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| 17:50.09 | jelly | hansol: the short name in /etc/hostname needs to be present as the third word in a line in /etc/hosts, "ip.add.re.ss shortname.example.org shortname" |
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| 17:50.31 | jelly | jken: if you can trust mainline to deliver a stable kernel, yes |
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| 17:51.02 | jken | I guess my question was "am I missing things if I go mainline" |
| 17:51.19 | petn-randall | jken: You still have to rebuild it everytime a new release comes out, and track security fixes by hand if needed. |
| 17:51.32 | jelly | jken: IME, not really, no |
| 17:51.52 | jken | petn-randall, that's fine with me, |
| 17:51.56 | jken | jelly, thanks! |
| 17:52.02 | jelly | mainline has "make deb-pkg" if you like packages |
| 17:52.19 | jken | i do like deb packages :) |
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| 17:53.01 | hansol | jelly, i must add 192.168.0.* (local ip) or 127.0.1.1 ? in hosts ? |
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| 17:53.33 | greycat | hansol: if this is a mail server, you should have a REAL IP address. |
| 17:53.44 | hansol | i have real ip |
| 17:53.51 | jelly | hansol: if you have a configured static ip you can use that INSTEAD of 127.0.1.1 |
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| 17:54.10 | greycat | Then in /etc/hosts you should have "your.real.ip.addr hayknews.domain.name hayknews" |
| 17:54.16 | petn-randall | hansol: `man hosts` will explain to you what that file does. You'll then kn ow what you want to put there. |
| 17:54.28 | jelly | reading manuals?!?!? |
| 17:54.37 | jelly | what have we come to |
| 17:54.46 | hansol | In tutorial is showing local ip not real ip |
| 17:55.04 | hansol | thats why im confused |
| 17:55.10 | petn-randall | !tutorial |
| 17:55.10 | dpkg | A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way. |
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| 17:55.47 | hansol | dpkg, its turue |
| 17:55.48 | dpkg | hansol: i don't know |
| 17:56.50 | jelly | greycat: apologies for stealing that from #bash bot |
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| 18:00.27 | hansol | thanks you guys its ok for now |
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| 18:10.25 | hansol | !mail |
| 18:10.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, mail is a great program for sending mail, or <mutt> can send mail from the command line with attachments, or elm rewarded the best emailer of 1999. Pine is out. http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
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| 18:11.21 | greycat | mutt basically supersedes elm by every reasonable metric |
| 18:11.46 | hansol | rumour ? what is ? |
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| 18:12.11 | joepublic | rumor is something many people say |
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| 18:12.37 | annadane | a "rumour" is something not confirmed true but suspected by people to be, essentially |
| 18:12.39 | joepublic | saying rumor instead of "information" is a lame joke, something mr. dpkg has many of |
| 18:13.08 | hansol | :) |
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| 18:13.51 | annadane | rumour has it you can use your favorite privacy respecting search engine to look up the definitions for words like rumour |
| 18:14.02 | joepublic | if only there were some sort of place you could look up english words to see what they mean. |
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| 18:14.34 | joepublic | preferably with a tutorial on using each word and listing each sentence that you should use with it |
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| 18:14.41 | greycat | Or, some of you may have seen these weird rectangular things that are made of paper. Some of them have definitions of words in them. We call those "dictionaries". |
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| 18:15.14 | annadane | but who physically buys dictionaries anymore? |
| 18:15.18 | joepublic | greycat, i have one of those. It does not contain many tutorials, just dry, manpage-type information. useless cruft. |
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| 18:24.21 | Ede|Popede | gotta dig further: No manual entry for paper |
| 18:25.24 | hansol | !iptables |
| 18:25.24 | dpkg | [iptables] The user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter. Ask me about <netfilter docs>. For a proper Debian-way of setting up iptables, see http://wiki.debian.org/iptables or ask me about <iptables-restore>. http://netfilter.org/ #netfilter on irc.freenode.net. See also <ferm>, <lartc>, <masq>, <ulogd>. |
| 18:27.29 | hansol | after i restart my pc i type iptable -L and there is no rules, but port's are still active |
| 18:27.54 | hansol | where can i find a file that have saved my ports? 22 and 25 |
| 18:28.16 | hyperlumic | hansol: I strongly caution you against trying to run your own mailserver with your apparent level of knowledge. |
| 18:29.14 | hansol | hyperlumic, thats why you are here guys :) will not spam i promise |
| 18:29.18 | greycat | You absolutely do not need a firewall or packet filter of any kind with a mail server. Unless you have a VERY special situation, like "I need to block connections from lots of places, for reasons". |
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| 18:29.43 | greycat | Even then, the blocking or rejecting of connection can typically be moved to userspace. |
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| 18:30.00 | hansol | greycat, but i need my 25 port allowed ?? to send mails |
| 18:30.01 | hyperlumic | hansol: No, that is not why we are here. |
| 18:30.19 | greycat | iptables is there to PREVENT things from getting through, not to enable them. By default, all things are allowed. |
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| 18:30.47 | hansol | by default all ports are allowed ?? in debian ? |
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| 18:30.54 | greycat | IN EVERYTHING |
| 18:30.55 | hyperlumic | In Linux, period. |
| 18:31.29 | hansol | but why when i install ssh i dont connect, but when i enable port 22 on iptables i connected |
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| 18:32.39 | greycat | Because you installed iptables and then you DID SOMETHING with it. |
| 18:32.48 | greycat | Now you're apparently undoing parts of what you did BEFORE. |
| 18:33.00 | hansol | it was installed by defaul |
| 18:33.14 | hyperlumic | Nothing is blocked by default. You did something. |
| 18:33.31 | jelly | hansol: it's not installed by default if you use the usual debian-installer |
| 18:33.45 | hansol | but for secure reasons its better to have iptables ? |
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| 18:33.59 | hyperlumic | And you're trying to run a mailserver. |
| 18:34.01 | hyperlumic | Jesus. |
| 18:34.07 | hansol | i installed - Automatic install (choose from menu) |
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| 18:34.39 | hansol | hyperlumic, i dont undestand why i cant have mail server :(( |
| 18:35.02 | jelly | there is lots of hidden complexity involved in maintaining a mail server |
| 18:35.11 | greycat | hansol: as others have said, (1) iptables is NOT installed by default in Debian; (2) even if you install iptables, NOTHING is blocked by default. You've gone out of your way somehow to block stuff. |
| 18:35.40 | hyperlumic | Because you don't know the first thing about what you're doing, or even basic concepts. |
| 18:35.59 | hyperlumic | Running a mailserver properly and securely requires understanding and regular maintenance. |
| 18:36.01 | jelly | you can have one, but then you also need to spend 3-6 months learning everything about mail services so you manage to keep it stable and not become either a source of spam or a destination for spam |
| 18:36.55 | hyperlumic | hansol: And, to get right to the point, you need to break out of this mindset that IRC is here to answer your every question and walk you through everything. |
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| 18:37.43 | hansol | TT |
| 18:37.44 | jelly | hansol: and from that point on you need to keep track of slowly but constantly changing requirements because the big 3-4 providers keep blocking more and more mail |
| 18:37.52 | Ede|Popede | hansol: which one? sendmail maybe? |
| 18:38.42 | hansol | jelly, yes i send mail to gmail and it was recived to SPAM folder |
| 18:38.48 | at0m | buddy was probably not the first who ran his mail server with test:test for user:pass initially, then got a spamhaus block to figure out he had put the mail server in production with the test:test user still in place /o\ |
| 18:39.09 | jelly | hansol: so maybe you configure a "perfect" system with dkim and dmarc and whatever today, and things work. 3 months from now hotmail/yahoo/gmail add some more restrictions. |
| 18:39.30 | Ede|Popede | does buddy work for cisco? |
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| 18:40.05 | at0m | Ede|Popede: nope, self-employed. set up mail server for companies who all got spamhaused. oops. |
| 18:40.24 | hansol | i understand why big providers block mail's from normal home server |
| 18:40.57 | Ede|Popede | "trust me. i know what i'm doing." – Sledge Hammer |
| 18:41.46 | hansol | !postfix-mysql |
| 18:41.46 | Ede|Popede | not only, hansol: on my home network register mails didn't work with everything around live |
| 18:42.42 | hyperlumic | hansol: Honestly, you need to spend several months learning basic system administration before you even think about trying to run a mailserver. |
| 18:43.20 | cybercrypto | hansol: If you are not confortable with basic concepts, why do you need a mailserver? I assume you are planning to run an MTA i think... why would you want that? |
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| 18:44.14 | joepublic | and make no mistake, someone who asks two days in a row "how do you do this hostname thing" is not familiar with concepts which are basic. |
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| 18:44.55 | hansol | i need to host my website from home machine |
| 18:45.08 | hyperlumic | No, you don't. |
| 18:45.12 | greycat | You *want* to. |
| 18:45.26 | multun | hansol: please do, don't listen to them |
| 18:45.27 | cybercrypto | hansol: Are you somehow trying to have a linux box to run a mailserver so you can execute spam and marketing mesages? Is that so? :-) |
| 18:45.29 | joepublic | host your website wherever you want, get inexpensive hosting from a real provider that comes with a mail server and use that. |
| 18:45.30 | greycat | Which has absolutely nothing to do with a mail server. |
| 18:45.31 | multun | hansol: welcome to the internet |
| 18:45.36 | hansol | yes because im paying too much for hosting |
| 18:45.59 | jelly | hansol: mind you, a website and a mail service can be kept completely separate |
| 18:46.14 | multun | hansol: you're free to learn; you'll most likely fail and get hacked at some point, but that's ok |
| 18:46.14 | hansol | its a shopping website |
| 18:46.25 | multun | whoosh |
| 18:46.27 | multun | :D |
| 18:46.42 | cybercrypto | hahahah e-commerce @ home. thats sounds like a plan |
| 18:46.48 | hansol | i must to send mail's to users |
| 18:46.56 | joepublic | hansol, I want to make sure that you did not miss that "hosting a website" and "hosting a mailserver" are not related to each other and do not have to happen in the same place. |
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| 18:47.27 | multun | hansol: you can actually configure your home server to send mail via an external mail provider |
| 18:47.38 | greycat | "Hi, I want to take your money and your credit card information. By the way, how do I set my hostname?" |
| 18:47.39 | multun | setting up a mail server properly actually is super hard |
| 18:47.42 | joepublic | literally everyone on the Internet can send mail to people, but almost no-one hosts a mail server. let that sink in. |
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| 18:48.10 | hansol | i will send max 15 mails per month |
| 18:48.19 | Tenkawa | and not to mention the potential liabilities |
| 18:48.26 | Ede|Popede | hansol: and why do you need your own mailserver for that? > https://www.thedigitalnonprofit.com/blog/use-gmail-own-domain-free |
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| 18:48.58 | jelly | hansol: things might work with a self-hosted web site up to a point, if you can manage DNS and connectivity. A mail service has more hosting requirements than a mere web site to be made reliable. |
| 18:49.35 | hyperlumic | hansol: To say nothing of the potential legal requirements involved in running an ecommerce website. |
| 18:49.55 | Tenkawa | hyperlumic: yep my point |
| 18:49.56 | hansol | if i use SSL ? |
| 18:50.06 | hyperlumic | hansol: Rephrasing, there ARE legal requirements, but what they are varies based on where you are. |
| 18:50.13 | jelly | everyone uses ssl. |
| 18:50.14 | Tenkawa | hansol: theres a lot more than just that |
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| 18:50.30 | joepublic | I use ssl on my blog fercryinoutloud |
| 18:50.35 | hansol | like Hillory Clinton :) |
| 18:50.38 | Tenkawa | do you know anything about liability in your country for commerce?? |
| 18:50.44 | hansol | hackers take everything from her mail server |
| 18:50.44 | jelly | I don't even HAVE a blog and I use ssl! |
| 18:50.52 | hyperlumic | hansol: Are you in the EU? |
| 18:50.54 | BCMM | hansol: sending email is pretty straightforwards. sending email that isn't going to get spam filtered by just about everyone is less so. |
| 18:51.09 | hansol | Bulgaria actually in EU but... i will say no :D |
| 18:51.28 | hyperlumic | Then yes, you are in the EU. GDPR, good luck. |
| 18:51.31 | jelly | that means you have to take care of GDPR |
| 18:51.39 | joepublic | here is a salient point: To run a website you need to have or control a web server... But to send mail you only have to send mail, there are plenty of mail servers and you don't have to control them to just send mail. |
| 18:52.08 | hansol | i understand that |
| 18:52.15 | hyperlumic | hansol: You are not qualified to do any of what you're trying to do. You need to listen, and start doing things the right way. And that means not doing them yourself at your current level of knowledge. |
| 18:52.16 | joepublic | that is not apparent |
| 18:52.49 | jelly | hansol: you can learn to do this, but set up services iteratively and not everything at once on the same system |
| 18:53.12 | joepublic | I remember when anyone could set up a mail server and it wasn't that hard, and it worked. |
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| 18:53.39 | joepublic | people who spam killed that time and it is unfortunately no more. |
| 18:54.07 | hyperlumic | Your ISP may also not permit you to run these services per their terms of service. |
| 18:54.55 | hansol | GDPR - its not only SSL enought ? |
| 18:54.57 | jelly | as for hosted mail services, there's eg. https://www.fastmail.com/pricing/ at $30/year |
| 18:55.11 | hyperlumic | hansol: You have no idea what GDPR even entails, obviously. |
| 18:55.18 | joepublic | that's like saying AIDS - is being real secretive not enough? |
| 18:56.05 | Ede|Popede | the ISP may have special business accounts. clearly more expensive than a home account. but probably wouldn't be satisfied with getting the difference after finding out about this business@home model |
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| 18:56.42 | hyperlumic | hansol: And fines for noncompliance with the GDPR can be in the millions of EUR. |
| 18:56.53 | hansol | GDPR - mean's without logging ? |
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| 18:57.09 | hyperlumic | hansol: Would it kill you to read something on your own? Ever? |
| 18:57.10 | joepublic | good luck selling things without keeping records. |
| 18:57.27 | pingfloyd | this is why most businesses fail |
| 18:57.28 | Ede|Popede | hansol: i assume bulgaria has some kind of business chamber or so. and if, they for sure have courses how to set up your business from a legal point of view. including what you have to care of by doing online business. |
| 18:57.31 | hansol | i plan to install ISPconfig they have GDPR by default |
| 18:57.33 | joepublic | "I have all this money, I wonder where it came from, and what people wanted when they sent it" |
| 18:57.53 | Ede|Popede | hehe |
| 18:57.57 | hyperlumic | hansol: GDPR isn't a configuration set. |
| 18:58.04 | jelly | hyperlumic: try to be constructive. Instead of "would it kill you to read", tell them _which_ things they should read. |
| 18:58.11 | multun | hansol: GDPR is much more than configuration. it's about how you store customer data |
| 18:58.13 | joepublic | "Well, fortunately, I don't do any logging. Guess I will keep it and get some powder of the evening and ladies of the evening" |
| 18:58.19 | hyperlumic | jelly: How many times do I have to say 'GDPR' before they go looking for 'GDPR'? |
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| 18:59.05 | hyperlumic | jelly: And believe me, people - myself included - have tried the constructive approach with hansol in the past. Here we are. |
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| 18:59.45 | multun | hyperlumic: that's still not a good reason |
| 18:59.47 | hyperlumic | multun: More than just storage. Acquisition, storage, processing, archival, and destruction. |
| 19:00.04 | multun | yeah yeah |
| 19:00.13 | hansol | my site works without GDPR in EU ? its possible ? |
| 19:00.21 | jelly | hyperlumic: it's not jsut gdpr, this is far from constructive: <hyperlumic> And you're trying to run a mailserver. <hyperlumic> Jesus. |
| 19:00.27 | hansol | or my hosting company have GDPR ? |
| 19:00.32 | joepublic | hansol, yes, crime is possible but not encouraged. |
| 19:00.50 | hansol | but im not using online payments |
| 19:00.55 | jelly | hansol: #debian is not the right place for legal consultancy |
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| 19:01.24 | multun | hansol: _isn't not only_ about hosting, it's about customer privacy |
| 19:01.25 | joepublic | no online payments. Okay, tell the authorities that; I am sure they will make an exception for you. Good idea. |
| 19:01.49 | multun | or even anobody visiting your site's privacy |
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| 19:02.18 | multun | it's a set of laws restricting whay you can do with informations about other people |
| 19:02.25 | hyperlumic | hansol: The General Data Protection Regulation, or GDPR, is a set of laws, not a technology or a product. |
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| 19:02.39 | hyperlumic | hansol: https://eugdpr.org/ |
| 19:02.56 | hansol | thanks you for information |
| 19:03.24 | hyperlumic | hansol: As with the vast majority of your questions across the channels in which I've seen you, this could have been found with a cursory internet search. |
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| 19:03.58 | hyperlumic | hansol: The intent behind everything that's been said to you isn't just to be a pain, okay? |
| 19:04.02 | joepublic | I did find this GDPR tutorial: https://gdprcourse.com/gdpr-implementation-practitioner-course/ |
| 19:04.39 | hyperlumic | hansol: If you're going to be responsible for a system, whatever that system is, you have to learn how to use the resources available to you. Yes, this channel can support specific issues, but you have to take the initiative and learn on your own as a first step. |
| 19:04.55 | multun | hyperlumic: if you don't want to answer these questions, then don't |
| 19:05.02 | hyperlumic | multun: I wasn't talking to you. |
| 19:05.06 | hansol | hyperlumic, i understand |
| 19:05.14 | jelly | multun: but he's answering right now |
| 19:05.18 | hyperlumic | multun: If I was, I would have used your nick, and it would have highlighted it for you. Like this. |
| 19:05.45 | joepublic | hansol, and I admire your initiative and willingness to ask questions and learn new things. The world needs more of that. |
| 19:06.00 | hyperlumic | hansol: At least some of the people in this channel have been doing this for a long time, many of them professionally. If we're warning you about doing something, it's worth listening. |
| 19:06.31 | hansol | i have added port 22 and then typed iptables -S by default where is file with ACCEPTED prots ?? |
| 19:06.36 | jelly | doing efficient web searches and learning how to get useful results (ie. google for "gdpr for small businesses" instead of just "GDPR") can be a task on its own |
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| 19:07.09 | hansol | will not use GDPR for now... |
| 19:07.15 | jelly | hansol: pastebin the output of "iptables-save" |
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| 19:07.36 | jelly | hansol: where EXACTLY did you "add port 22"? |
| 19:08.08 | jelly | !ask |
| 19:08.08 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 19:08.18 | hansol | n |
| 19:08.19 | hansol | m |
| 19:08.23 | hansol | jelly, https://pastebin.com/24u7tLRK |
| 19:09.08 | jelly | hansol: ok, that's an empty clean iptables, no rules, everything is accepted. |
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| 19:09.40 | hansol | jelly, added port before restart my machine |
| 19:09.49 | jelly | hansol: you did not "add port 22" there. We do not know where you added it or how. |
| 19:10.31 | jelly | hansol: since every kind of traffic is accepted as it is now, why would you feel a need to doubly accept some specific traffic? |
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| 19:11.00 | hansol | iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT |
| 19:11.00 | hansol | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:11.27 | multun | hansol: the content of iptables isn't persistent over reboots |
| 19:11.45 | jelly | hansol: but there are no iptables rules in debian by default. You do not _need_ to accept inbound traffic to 22/tcp |
| 19:12.01 | multun | see https://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 19:12.22 | multun | every time your machine boots, there are no rules |
| 19:12.42 | jelly | hansol: why did you do this, what was your expectation to have happened? |
| 19:13.06 | hansol | like i understand i have to create a file with my allowed ports, after restart i have to restore allowing ports from that file |
| 19:13.18 | jelly | hansol: you don't have to do that. |
| 19:13.33 | jelly | hansol: everything is allowed by default on Debian. |
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| 19:13.57 | jelly | hansol: your system _right now_ allows inbound ssh traffic, without that rule |
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| 19:14.21 | hansol | jelly, will now install apache to check that |
| 19:14.39 | hansol | if i can open my server from internet you are correct |
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| 19:14.56 | hansol | without adding port 80 to iptables |
| 19:14.59 | Ede|Popede | hansol: you could use pyton's internal web server or something tiny like websh |
| 19:15.26 | jelly | hansol: no, I'm correct because your output https://pastebin.com/24u7tLRK here shows empty filter table will all default chain actions set to ACCEPT |
| 19:15.31 | Ede|Popede | and then let a web service scan the ports in question |
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| 19:16.00 | hansol | !apache |
| 19:16.01 | dpkg | Apache HTTPD is a versatile, high-performance HTTP server. Ask me about <apache2>, <install apache>, <apache manual>. See also <cnrd>, <userdir>, <htaccess>. http://wiki.debian.org/Apache http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/FAQ http://httpd.apache.org/ #httpd on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 19:17.44 | Tenkawa | hansol: if you want to use ! commands with dpkg you can /msg too |
| 19:17.53 | jelly | !msg the bot |
| 19:17.53 | dpkg | Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . Also ask me about <judd>, which is another bot and window into the Ultimate Debian Database. |
| 19:18.09 | Tenkawa | jelly: thank you... |
| 19:18.20 | Tenkawa | wasnt sure the trigger |
| 19:18.23 | fboender | if I wanted to get a program I wrote into core debian, how would I go about it? Is there some list of criteria it has to meet? I have literaly no idea where to start. |
| 19:18.27 | hansol | you are correct jelly |
| 19:18.34 | jelly | !rfp |
| 19:18.34 | dpkg | Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, a RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ", ask me about <wnpp>. The best way of getting software packaged is to do it yourself: ask me about <nmg>. |
| 19:18.38 | hansol | its opening without add rule to iptables |
| 19:19.00 | fboender | jelly: cool, thanks! |
| 19:19.51 | jelly | fboender: things may proceed a lot faster if you also decide to be the maintainer of the software in debian, keeping the packaging updated and less buggy as well |
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| 19:22.00 | jelly | !mentors |
| 19:22.01 | dpkg | mentors is probably the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net). |
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| 19:24.41 | twobitsprite | anyone know of a way to clear/reset the journal logs for a specific systemd unit? |
| 19:25.02 | twobitsprite | my google-fu is failing me currently. |
| 19:25.16 | hansol | Disallow root login remotely? [Y/n] |
| 19:25.16 | hansol | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:26.42 | greycat | twobitsprite: look like there's a set of --vacuum-* options. |
| 19:26.51 | fboender | jelly: would I have to go through the entire process of becoming an official maintainer? Last time I checked (admittedly years ago) it was quite the ordeal |
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| 19:27.14 | fboender | I already have debian packages for my project, but no infra (apt sources, signing). |
| 19:27.23 | fboender | I guess I should start with that |
| 19:27.26 | greycat | twobitsprite: but it looks like the vacuuming is global (all services/logs), not tuned to a specific service |
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| 19:37.50 | hansol | Gurov tuk li si ? |
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| 19:40.48 | annadane | we're not particularly likely to know bulgarian |
| 19:41.04 | rany | hansol: You probably want this set to No |
| 19:42.40 | Ede|Popede | is there any reason to ever set this to Yes? (unless your provider doesn't grant you shell login) |
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| 19:43.52 | hyperlumic | I always disallow remote root login. |
| 19:44.08 | hyperlumic | So the correct answer would be 'yes,' unless you have a good reason to allow remote root login. |
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| 19:44.27 | annadane | hmm, why did qbittorrent put the downloaded files in /tmp when the settings says it saves to /home/annadane/Downloads |
| 19:44.50 | b30wulf | because it sux |
| 19:45.11 | b30wulf | try transmission or deluge |
| 19:45.15 | eia1x | Hi, can I fix a problem when I couldn't reinstall a file, like: 'Reinstallation of mp3gain is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.". Anyone knows? |
| 19:45.34 | eia1x | *package |
| 19:45.44 | Ede|Popede | annadane: i remember a bug report for firefox about the same thing. came from a user in a networked environment with nfs mounted /home |
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| 19:46.21 | Ede|Popede | temp file into temp folder, than move... err... copy into $HOME/Downloads |
| 19:46.50 | annadane | right i can always move it there and tell qbittorrent to use that as the seeding source |
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| 19:49.30 | b30wulf | must be rather low quality software |
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| 19:49.53 | b30wulf | if the download directory setting is broken |
| 19:49.55 | b30wulf | heh |
| 19:50.15 | annadane | yes except this is literally the first time it's ever happened |
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| 19:51.50 | b30wulf | maybe u have some files or directories owned by root or another user within your Downloads directory |
| 19:52.56 | b30wulf | chown annadane:annadane -R /home/annadane/Downloads |
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| 19:58.33 | hansol | rany, too late i set it to Yes |
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| 20:01.15 | annadane | then why did you ask the channel? |
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| 20:09.03 | hansol | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.10 | hansol | its IRC server ? |
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| 20:10.42 | greycat | hansol: http://www.google.com/ |
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| 20:16.52 | hansol | !metronome |
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| 20:22.08 | joepublic | The !something commands, like other bot information commands, are used primarily within conversations for one person to convey information to another by means of a knowledgebase contained in a bot. If you want to guess at random commands like !metronome, it is preferred to express that as /msg dpkg metronome |
| 20:22.41 | annadane | !search dpkg |
| 20:22.41 | dpkg | You can search my database on the web at http://ircbots.debian.net/ or on IRC by asking me about <help listkeys> and <help-listvals>. My factoids are available at https://dpkg.donarmstrong.com/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are there. See also <search>. |
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| 20:24.49 | joepublic | just so. |
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| 20:32.09 | BCMM | hansol: ... it's an XMPP server. it's developed by people who use and like XMPP... |
| 20:32.29 | BCMM | hansol: what i'm saying is, they do support on XMPP, not IRC |
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| 20:32.57 | joepublic | so it's irc then? |
| 20:33.14 | BCMM | joepublic: what is? |
| 20:33.22 | SerajewelKS | joepublic: no, it's OSCAR |
| 20:33.40 | joepublic | oh. |
| 20:33.46 | Tenkawa | points to wikipedia |
| 20:33.58 | joepublic | wikipedia is oscar? |
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| 20:34.03 | BCMM | oh, hansol was asking whether it's an IRC server, not where their IRC server is? |
| 20:34.08 | Tenkawa | lookup xmpp or irc if you want definitions |
| 20:34.41 | joepublic | well, really, what someone might have been asking is kind of an open question, I guess |
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| 20:35.09 | joepublic | the google answer was a good one, almost like lmgtfy |
| 20:35.10 | Tenkawa | joepublic: his questions have had no structure |
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| 20:36.31 | joepublic | his english does not seem to be at mastery level, but then it is much better than my bulgarian, turkish, or romani, which are almost nonexistant actually |
| 20:36.47 | BCMM | eia1x: you're seeing that message because the package doesn't exist in Debian's repos any more. you can't reinstall it because you can't install it. |
| 20:37.13 | joepublic | ,v mp3gain |
| 20:37.14 | judd | Package: mp3gain on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.5.2-r2-2+deb7u1 |
| 20:37.43 | joepublic | commit to frankendebian, add wheezy sources and bob's your uncle. |
| 20:37.43 | BCMM | eia1x: i assume you're not still running wheezy? |
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| 20:39.20 | BCMM | eia1x: mp3gain is gone from debian because it's not developed upstream any more. use aacgain instead (despite the name, it supports mp3 as well as aac) |
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| 20:40.45 | BCMM | oh, aacgain isn't actually in debian either, it's in deb-multimedia |
| 20:40.45 | shtrb | Should network-manager start a separate process for it's dhcp requests ? |
| 20:40.54 | Tenkawa | shtrb: yes |
| 20:41.12 | Tenkawa | dhcpcd right? |
| 20:41.30 | Tenkawa | or something similar |
| 20:41.31 | shtrb | In such a case, how could https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=912008 can corrupt network-manager heap ? |
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| 20:41.45 | Tenkawa | let me look |
| 20:42.02 | Tenkawa | personally really dislikes network-manager |
| 20:42.26 | shtrb | I'm having hard time getting how such an attack possible (a CVE , that had been fixed already, but if it's a different process I don't get how an attack against a dhcp client could hit nm) |
| 20:42.27 | BCMM | shtrb: isn't that about systemd-networkd, not network-manager? |
| 20:42.37 | shtrb | it's both , https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2018-15688 |
| 20:42.48 | shtrb | I don't care about the systemd heap bug (that I understand) |
| 20:43.32 | Tenkawa | i dont see it in network-manager either |
| 20:43.46 | shtrb | the CVE tracker list network-manager |
| 20:44.13 | Tenkawa | not on that link you sent |
| 20:44.31 | Tenkawa | i just looked |
| 20:44.44 | Tenkawa | on the first url |
| 20:44.53 | shtrb | I gave two links a bug report with a fix and debian tracker CVE (which has it) |
| 20:44.53 | shtrb | yes |
| 20:44.58 | Tenkawa | let me look at the second |
| 20:45.19 | shtrb | unless the tracker is wrong, and I get everything :) |
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| 20:46.33 | Tenkawa | what version network-manager package do you have |
| 20:46.39 | noln | the network-manager commit link at the bottom of the debian security-tracker page points to a diff in networkmanager's /src/systemd/src/libsystemd-network/ suggesting that NM copies systemd source inside its source. That's typically done not to rely on the host distro's systemd versiona nd doesn't necessarily mean NM affected |
| 20:46.49 | Tenkawa | that second link shows whoich one it was fixed i n |
| 20:46.51 | Tenkawa | er in |
| 20:47.10 | shtrb | I'm safe from it, I'm just trying to understand how it could harm (if there is a different process) |
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| 20:47.37 | Tenkawa | but yeah it looks source only |
| 20:47.37 | annadane | what is the reason i rename an image file, it no longer autocompletes when invoked with feh? |
| 20:47.57 | annadane | and how can i get it to? |
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| 20:48.21 | Tenkawa | heh thats when I dpkg-buildpackage |
| 20:48.38 | greycat | annadane: You could disable bash-completion in your current shell by typing "complete -r". |
| 20:48.39 | BCMM | annadane: do you mean some sort of autocompletion in feh itself, or just regular shell tab completion? |
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| 20:49.05 | annadane | yeah the latter |
| 20:49.07 | greycat | With bash-completion disabled, you would be back to standard bash tab completion. |
| 20:49.21 | BCMM | annadane: did you change or remove the file extension when you renamed it? i'm guessing it's something to do with bash no longer considering it to be a file type that feh can handle |
| 20:49.30 | greycat | BCMM: bash-completion, not bash. |
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| 20:50.59 | shtrb | Tenkawa, never mind I think I have found how , apprently there is a setup where there is no separate dhcp client process (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1639067#c15 ) |
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| 20:51.30 | Tenkawa | ok |
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| 20:51.39 | Tenkawa | sorry I wasnt more hepl |
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| 20:51.53 | shtrb | you gave me the correct path to search :) thanks |
| 20:51.59 | Tenkawa | er help |
| 20:52.01 | Tenkawa | cool |
| 20:52.29 | annadane | could i just rename them to image.png instead of image? |
| 20:53.02 | shtrb | annadane, ./image works for you ? |
| 20:53.19 | annadane | er... what? |
| 20:53.37 | shtrb | there are case when auto complete stop searching in the local folder |
| 20:53.42 | shtrb | (not in feh) |
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| 21:00.14 | annadane | ok yeah renaming them to .png does it |
| 21:01.05 | greycat | Still sounds like bash-completion to me. |
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| 21:01.12 | greycat | Unless you're using zsh or something. |
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| 21:13.37 | annadane | sure but i just solved it in bash-completion anyway, it's really a pretty trivial/irrelevant problem anyway |
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| 21:13.48 | annadane | also it looks nicer in ls |
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| 21:27.00 | Mawrick | Any tips on what might cause slow/buggy connection to phone ? (mtp) (I'm using testing, but just thought I'd check in here as well if it's some known "fixes" (using gnome) |
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| 21:28.05 | annadane | Mawrick, i've kind of stopped saying to people they shouldn't crosspost but really, you've done it on 3 channels now and you're using testing to begin with |
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| 21:28.25 | annadane | and #debian-next you already asked |
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| 21:31.36 | Mawrick | ahh, sorry, thought it was different places/channels/different people, won't happen again :) |
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| 21:36.02 | rebrec | hello, i don't know if i can ask my question here, i will try, please fell free to let me know if i am not in the correct place. I am running a freshly installed debian strech on a dedicated webserver. The installation has been done by the host provider (OVH). After a few hours trying to understand why an application running on this host couldn't c |
| 21:36.02 | rebrec | onnect to a local proxy server, i have just realized that it "seems" that i cannot even do a local basic connection test using netcat utility. here is what i did : nc -lvp 9876 and ss -p | grep 9876 (no output). Iptables -L say that default policyies are all ACCEPT and no rules seems to be defined. I wonder where there could be a restriction |
| 21:36.02 | rebrec | (i am running all of this as root) |
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| 21:41.31 | rebrec | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:56.44 | jhutchins_wk | rebrec: People often use telnet (the client) for that kind of test as you can specify a port and will sometimes get useful interaction. |
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| 22:08.35 | rebrec | jhutchins thanks but nc does what telnet does + many other things (like create a listening daemon to test basic tcp listening fonctionality. My worry was more about some OS restriction anyway it is solved now. Thanks for your advice |
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| 22:13.04 | Tenkawa | netcat is handy |
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| 22:14.14 | Tenkawa | assuming thats the nc you mean |
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| 22:19.14 | b30wulf | yeah so |
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| 22:20.35 | BCMM | also importantly, nc does what telnet does - certain things |
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| 22:22.04 | BCMM | telnet isn't raw tcp, and occasionally it matters that telnet won't actually transmit every character you send to it unmodified |
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| 22:40.19 | b30wulf | pulseaudio outputs line noise when entering idle state |
| 22:41.18 | b30wulf | would daemonize = yes prevent idle ? |
| 22:41.24 | b30wulf | and the noise heh |
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| 22:41.55 | b30wulf | it doesnt seem to obey settings in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf |
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| 22:43.23 | SerajewelKS | if it's idle, it shouldn't be outputting anything |
| 22:44.41 | b30wulf | how to prevent idle |
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| 22:45.42 | srged | why does my screen looks like this and how can i undo it? http://pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=396871a3d6126097ab020178cf35bdb9 |
| 22:45.50 | SerajewelKS | b30wulf: do you hear the same noise after running pulseaudio --kill |
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| 22:46.13 | SerajewelKS | srged: turn off transparent background in your terminal |
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| 22:46.46 | b30wulf | E: [pulseaudio] main.c: Failed to kill daemon: No such process |
| 22:47.04 | SerajewelKS | b30wulf: so pulse isn't even running then... or it's not running as your user |
| 22:47.08 | b30wulf | this is whats running /usr/bin/pulseaudio --daemonize=n |
| 22:47.10 | b30wulf | o |
| 22:47.13 | b30wulf | heh |
| 22:47.17 | SerajewelKS | idle noise is most likely an ALSA issue |
| 22:47.27 | SerajewelKS | when pulse goes idle it suspends the ALSA device |
| 22:47.27 | srged | SerajewelKS: not that, i mean the thick green bar at the left. |
| 22:47.36 | b30wulf | killing pulseaudio stops the noise |
| 22:47.38 | SerajewelKS | srged: oh. wait, green? |
| 22:47.45 | SerajewelKS | i don't see any green, just white |
| 22:47.54 | srged | grey* |
| 22:48.06 | SerajewelKS | maybe it's a new panel? what happens when you right click on it? |
| 22:48.29 | SerajewelKS | b30wulf: google suggests that you can disable the pulse module suspend-on-idle |
| 22:48.29 | annadane | for me what i did after i got blasted in my headphones sometimes with screechy noise is to have pavucontrol open at all times |
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| 22:48.45 | SerajewelKS | b30wulf: a better solution would be to fix the alsa problem, but this is a bandaid at least |
| 22:48.48 | srged | SerajewelKS: yes you were right, its fixed now. thx! |
| 22:48.55 | SerajewelKS | np |
| 22:48.58 | annadane | not to adjust the volume when it happens but just having it open makes it not happen |
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| 22:49.35 | SerajewelKS | i haven't had to deal with a lot of those issues since i put JACK between pulse and ALSA |
| 22:50.15 | b30wulf | how to reload pulseaudio settings |
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| 22:50.54 | SerajewelKS | restart it, usually |
| 22:51.53 | b30wulf | when editing daemon.conf it didnt load the stuff up |
| 22:51.59 | b30wulf | after a reboot |
| 22:52.15 | SerajewelKS | i mean restart pulse |
| 22:52.21 | SerajewelKS | also i don't know what "load the stuff up" means |
| 22:52.52 | b30wulf | well i edited daemon.conf, set daemonize = yes, restarted pulseaudio, it still had daemonize=no flag |
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| 22:53.01 | b30wulf | so rebooted, still had daemonize=no flag |
| 22:53.16 | b30wulf | anyhow problem is fixed right now |
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| 22:54.09 | SerajewelKS | daemonize probably doesn't do what you think it does |
| 22:54.19 | b30wulf | yeah i figured it doesnt |
| 22:54.25 | b30wulf | heh |
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| 22:54.33 | SerajewelKS | usually it's a detail that the process that starts pulse needs to know/set |
| 22:55.03 | SerajewelKS | to fix your problem, you probably just want to stop loading the suspend-on-idle module |
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| 23:06.35 | quitte | Hi. I'm looking for a throwaway Certificate authority for testing. Sure I could self sign, but I'd prefer to have a third party signature just in case it does make a difference. |
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| 23:07.55 | mutante | quitte: letsencrypt.org ? |
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| 23:12.36 | quitte | mutante: they need me to have control of a domain |
| 23:13.10 | b30wulf | http://freenom.tk/ |
| 23:13.18 | quitte | mutante: cacert is closer but they are annoying. Want me to come up with 5 questioin/answr pairs. and I don't know yet what happens next |
| 23:14.20 | b30wulf | letsencrypt is the only viable option i know of unless u are willing to pay 60 bucks for verisign or what have u |
| 23:14.42 | SerajewelKS | wait so you want a trusted CA to sign a cert for a domain you can't prove control over |
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| 23:15.00 | b30wulf | heh |
| 23:15.08 | quitte | no. it doesn't have to be trusted. just a third party instead of self signed. |
| 23:15.28 | SerajewelKS | ... why a third party? |
| 23:15.29 | b30wulf | they dont certify LAN IP addresses |
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| 23:15.39 | b30wulf | jejeje |
| 23:15.43 | quitte | it's not for a domain but for boot code signing |
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| 23:16.12 | SerajewelKS | ok so create a CA certificate yourself, then issue a cert with it? |
| 23:16.50 | quitte | SerajewelKS: encryption is confusing enough as it is. i know i could self sign but i'd prefer to follow the process as close as possible to a real world implementation to avoid suriprises |
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| 23:17.24 | quitte | SerajewelKS: coming up with 5 q/a pairs for cacert.org sounds a lot easier than becoming a ca |
| 23:17.34 | b30wulf | using a certificate authority is more complex than self-signing |
| 23:17.35 | abrotman | quitte: then you'd have to create your own CA, and sign as that CA (it isn't a real CA) |
| 23:17.58 | SerajewelKS | quitte: cacert is also not going to issue a cert when you can't prove ownership of the CN |
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| 23:18.12 | abrotman | quitte: also, you could ask #openssl |
| 23:18.22 | quitte | SerajewelKS: thanks. that probably saves a lot of time |
| 23:18.23 | SerajewelKS | quitte: also you could just install tinyca and be done |
| 23:18.37 | quitte | abrotman: thanks |
| 23:18.49 | abrotman | would just self-sign |
| 23:18.49 | quitte | okay will look at tinyca |
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| 23:19.24 | quitte | abrotman: you are probably right. it's just the kind of thing i very much expected to already exist |
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| 23:20.07 | abrotman | quitte: If you're going to lie to your browser, does it matter which type of lie it is? :) |
| 23:20.59 | quitte | abrotman: no browser involved. just the NXP code signing tool. |
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| 23:22.38 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 23:22.39 | SerajewelKS | i remember when i used to think code signing meant "insuring code integrity" and not "someone is trying to keep me from doing what i want with my own hardware" |
| 23:24.32 | mutante | quitte: oh, you reminded me. i used cacert a long time ago and had assurer points, yea |
| 23:24.42 | mutante | didnt know about the 5 questions |
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| 23:26.28 | quitte | SerajewelKS: high assurance boot on my target hardware is already broken Just doing it since as it turns out it's a great way to get to know what the thing can do and how it does it |
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| 23:26.30 | LovinLinux | what is the best way to install firefox quantum on stretch? |
| 23:27.04 | LovinLinux | All the sites I find seem to have fairly janky workarounds... |
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| 23:27.36 | bites | you install the firefox-esr package. |
| 23:27.51 | abrotman | I don't tihnk there's a Debian way to get a newer FF in Stretch |
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| 23:27.57 | abrotman | judd: versions firefox-esr |
| 23:27.58 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 60.3.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 60.3.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 60.3.0esr-1; sid: 60.3.0esr-2 |
| 23:28.09 | abrotman | oh, or there's that |
| 23:28.37 | abrotman | I didn' tthink they'd backported 60 yet |
| 23:28.44 | abrotman | or upgraded, or whatever they want to call it |
| 23:29.36 | LovinLinux | ah crp. oh well, i guess it wasnt just my poor search skills. |
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| 23:30.30 | bites | 52 esr had it's eol a few months ago, then they bumped it. |
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| 23:31.08 | quitte | hmm. let me try a similar question: how do I install eclipse photon on sid? |
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| 23:34.34 | bites | eclipse isn't a very well maintained package on debian. so probably follow the upstream installation instructions for linux. |
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| 23:34.44 | abrotman | I think the packages are dead |
| 23:34.48 | abrotman | or mostly so |
| 23:34.54 | bites | looks like it. |
| 23:35.40 | quitte | I haven't seen current eclipse in years but occassionally there were updates |
| 23:35.53 | quitte | that being said debian eclipse packages were great |
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| 23:36.24 | abrotman | Subjective! |
| 23:36.31 | quitte | with photon for example tool tips pop up somewhere unrelated to the curretn curso position. |
| 23:36.36 | quitte | oh no. |
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