| 00:02.42 | LtL | candle24: if the problem persists do, aptitude why-not packagename |
| 00:03.09 | candle24 | LtL: will try that thank you a lot for the help |
| 00:03.25 | LtL | candle24: good luck and welcome |
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| 00:09.21 | candle24 | LtL: aptitude downgraded few dependencies and it started working yay! |
| 00:09.38 | LtL | candle24: nice |
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| 00:22.47 | Kobaz | so... getting random dns failures |
| 00:23.19 | Kobaz | it's the typical... "host works but ssh doesn't" |
| 00:23.51 | Kobaz | and it's commpletely random... not sure what to debug.... i've checked the obvious like nsswitch and etc |
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| 00:25.09 | SerajewelKS | Kobaz: what about "getent host foobar.com" |
| 00:25.41 | Kobaz | Unknown database: host |
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| 00:25.55 | themill | hosts |
| 00:26.27 | Kobaz | ah |
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| 00:26.29 | Kobaz | interesting |
| 00:26.40 | Kobaz | okay so that works. never knew about that one |
| 00:26.50 | Kobaz | but dns is working for now... but it'll probably break in a few minutes |
| 00:27.33 | Kobaz | https://serverfault.com/questions/831747/why-is-ssh-not-resolving-this-hostname |
| 00:27.36 | Kobaz | basically it's that problem |
| 00:27.45 | Kobaz | except i AM using FQDNs |
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| 00:34.31 | woenx | SerajewelKS: Hey, remember me? |
| 00:34.46 | Kobaz | memberberries |
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| 00:35.22 | woenx | haha |
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| 00:40.13 | woenx | SerajewelKS: a few days ago we expanded the filesystem of an RAID1 array. However, for some reason, only one of the two disks are currently in the array, and the second one complaints that it is "not large enough to join array". |
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| 00:42.40 | Kobaz | mdadm raid? |
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| 00:43.30 | Kobaz | woenx: first of all... do you have backups? |
| 00:43.46 | woenx | Kobaz: yes I have |
| 00:43.54 | Kobaz | mdadm raid or lvm? |
| 00:43.58 | Kobaz | or are you mixing both? |
| 00:43.59 | woenx | but I'd rather not lose data |
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| 00:44.06 | woenx | just RAID |
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| 00:44.16 | Kobaz | soooooo... mdadm? |
| 00:44.40 | Kobaz | LVM can do raid as well... so it makes a difference |
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| 00:44.44 | woenx | drive /dev/md0 is composed by drives /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdd1 |
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| 00:44.50 | Kobaz | okay so md |
| 00:44.56 | woenx | yes mdadm, although an old version.... |
| 00:44.58 | Kobaz | pastebin your cat /proc/mdstat |
| 00:45.10 | Kobaz | also pastebin fdisk -l |
| 00:45.30 | woenx | https://pastebin.com/e91tec4A |
| 00:45.56 | Kobaz | and also pastebin mdadm --detail /dev/md0 |
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| 00:46.40 | woenx | and the fdisk https://pastebin.com/kkQbnySD |
| 00:47.04 | Kobaz | your server is called Box? |
| 00:47.05 | Kobaz | hehe |
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| 00:47.16 | woenx | https://pastebin.com/tw4XmMQL |
| 00:47.21 | woenx | Original, isn't it? |
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| 00:47.48 | woenx | it actually has a story... it started as a pentium2 in a shoebox that has been upgraded over time |
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| 00:48.04 | Kobaz | hahahaa |
| 00:48.35 | woenx | now it's a core2duo with 4gb of ram, I think |
| 00:48.35 | Kobaz | https://techguided.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Modderator-Tech-Power-Up-1024x683.jpg |
| 00:48.37 | Kobaz | need onf ot hose |
| 00:48.39 | Kobaz | oooo core2 |
| 00:48.40 | Kobaz | upgrade |
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| 00:49.24 | woenx | it looked like that when I first ran it, all scattered over my desk, before I put everything in the shoebox ( and becoming a fire hazard) |
| 00:49.32 | Kobaz | i just built a xeon L5420 |
| 00:49.37 | Kobaz | dual processor |
| 00:49.42 | woenx | nice |
| 00:49.43 | Kobaz | putting together a new storage server |
| 00:50.01 | Kobaz | the processor is like 10 years old |
| 00:50.02 | Kobaz | but |
| 00:50.07 | Kobaz | you dont need much to spin disks |
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| 00:50.44 | woenx | exactly. Even a raspberry pi can work for a basic NAS, if you are not very picky |
| 00:50.55 | Kobaz | https://imgur.com/a/BzGHB8h |
| 00:51.18 | woenx | that's a big case... |
| 00:51.55 | Kobaz | holds 12 drives in the bottom, plus it's got 6, 5.25 bays which can fit two four bay drive enclosures |
| 00:51.58 | woenx | wow |
| 00:52.13 | Abdullah | so what's the latest kernel? I wanna test secure boot with some different kernels to find if my hook will work or I'll end up hitting my laptop ;-) |
| 00:52.28 | Kobaz | https://www.kernel.org/ |
| 00:52.28 | Abdullah | https://ptpb.pw/HxxH |
| 00:52.34 | Kobaz | looks like 5.0-rc3 |
| 00:52.49 | Abdullah | I don't wanna compile Kobaz I'm not on gentoo |
| 00:52.55 | Kobaz | if you want a packaged kernel, check experimental |
| 00:53.08 | Kobaz | i don't want to be compiled either |
| 00:53.33 | Abdullah | from kernel.org you can source. |
| 00:54.11 | Abdullah | Just tried to sign kernel which I had with my own keys and it booted with secure boot enabled |
| 00:54.34 | Abdullah | but I wanna make sure if I get an upgrade, it should automate it |
| 00:54.43 | Kobaz | so umm |
| 00:54.56 | Kobaz | woenx: you said... [19:44:44] <woenx> drive /dev/md0 is composed by drives /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdd1 |
| 00:55.01 | woenx | yes |
| 00:55.07 | Kobaz | sdb is 500 GB |
| 00:55.14 | Kobaz | i think you want to add in sdc |
| 00:55.17 | woenx | but I can seem to add /dev/sdd1 to the array now that it has been enlarged |
| 00:55.24 | Abdullah | and I really missed the debian wiki tutorial on it. what the hell, how much community we have and no proper guide oni t |
| 00:55.33 | Kobaz | sdc is your other 4TB drive |
| 00:55.41 | Kobaz | you can't mirror a 4TB and a 500GB |
| 00:55.42 | woenx | sorry, yes, /dev/sdc1 and /dev/sdd1 I meant |
| 00:55.53 | Kobaz | unless you make a 500GB partition on it to mirror |
| 00:55.57 | Kobaz | okay haha |
| 00:56.05 | woenx | sdc1 is already in the raid, but I can seem to add sdd1 |
| 00:56.06 | Abdullah | They want me to use shim or some other thing I wanna use my own keys. |
| 00:56.19 | Abdullah | and I was successfully able to boot with my own keys. |
| 00:56.29 | Kobaz | why do you have GPT on one drive and msdos disk label on the other |
| 00:56.45 | Abdullah | I just wanna make sure if I get an upgrade it should sign the kernel with my keys |
| 00:56.52 | woenx | Kobaz: by the way, last week, that RAID was 750GB, and I (with some help) expanded it to 4TB now that I substituted the two hard drives for larger ones) |
| 00:57.06 | Kobaz | you can't make a 4TB partition with an msdos disk label |
| 00:57.08 | woenx | so this is the situation right after expanding the partition |
| 00:57.12 | Kobaz | change /dev/sdd to GPT |
| 00:57.21 | Kobaz | recreate the partition, and add it into the mirror |
| 00:57.30 | Kobaz | it's not active anyway so you wont lose any data |
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| 00:57.37 | Kobaz | clear the MD signature on the drive as well |
| 00:57.44 | Kobaz | make SURE You're operating on the correct drive |
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| 00:57.56 | Kobaz | but redo /dev/sdd from scratch, and that will fix your problem |
| 00:58.15 | Kobaz | dev/sdd1 63 1465144064 732572001 83 Linux |
| 00:58.20 | Kobaz | dev/sdc1 1 4294967295 2147483647+ ee GPT |
| 00:58.27 | woenx | how would you do that, to make sure it has exactly the same parameters as sdc1? |
| 00:58.32 | woenx | I see |
| 00:58.46 | Kobaz | use sfdisk |
| 00:58.58 | Kobaz | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/12986/how-to-copy-the-partition-layout-of-a-whole-disk-using-standard-tools |
| 00:59.14 | Kobaz | sfdisk -d /dev/sdd > part_table |
| 00:59.16 | woenx | oh, nice, I'll check it out |
| 00:59.24 | Kobaz | er wrong way |
| 00:59.29 | Kobaz | save sdc |
| 00:59.34 | Kobaz | sfdisk -d /dev/sdc > part_table |
| 00:59.43 | Kobaz | and then put part_table onto sdd |
| 01:00.16 | woenx | oh, but: WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/sdc'! The util sfdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted. |
| 01:00.24 | whislock | sgdisk. |
| 01:00.25 | Kobaz | ah, oh yeah |
| 01:00.40 | woenx | probably brcause i'm using an old version of sfdisk |
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| 01:02.05 | Kobaz | gdisk |
| 01:02.08 | Kobaz | that's funny |
| 01:02.12 | Kobaz | fdisk -> gdisk |
| 01:02.15 | Kobaz | i get it! |
| 01:02.30 | Kobaz | https://askubuntu.com/questions/57908/how-can-i-quickly-copy-a-gpt-partition-scheme-from-one-hard-drive-to-another |
| 01:03.01 | woenx | so sgdisk instead of sfdisk, right? |
| 01:03.12 | Kobaz | gdisk |
| 01:03.15 | Kobaz | plain old gdisk |
| 01:03.20 | Kobaz | there's no s in it |
| 01:03.24 | whislock | sgdisk is to gdisk what sfdisk is to fdisk. |
| 01:03.47 | woenx | I see |
| 01:04.01 | woenx | "The second command randomizes the GUID on the disk and all the partitions. This is only necessary if the disks are to be used in the same machine, otherwise it's unnecessary." --> Should I be worried about this? |
| 01:04.21 | Kobaz | yes |
| 01:04.25 | Kobaz | you need new uuids |
| 01:04.27 | woenx | ok |
| 01:04.31 | whislock | sgdisk -R <destination disk> <origin disk> ; sgdisk -G <destination disk> |
| 01:04.32 | woenx | but just for the new partition, right? |
| 01:04.38 | Kobaz | correct, for the new one |
| 01:04.48 | woenx | ok |
| 01:04.55 | whislock | woenx: Look at what I just typed. |
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| 01:05.12 | woenx | whislock: thanks |
| 01:05.17 | Kobaz | right you can use sg for the non-interactive way |
| 01:06.19 | woenx | ok, done |
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| 01:06.28 | woenx | so now I should be able to add that disk to the array... |
| 01:06.33 | woenx | well, partition |
| 01:07.08 | Kobaz | yeah |
| 01:07.11 | Kobaz | when it's the same size |
| 01:07.15 | Kobaz | it'll work at lot better |
| 01:07.28 | woenx | mdadm: /dev/sdd1 is larger than /dev/md0 can effectively use. Add --force is you really want to add this device. |
| 01:07.35 | woenx | Â¥ââó'»¬ |
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| 01:07.38 | woenx | arg |
| 01:07.40 | Kobaz | yeah sure |
| 01:07.43 | Kobaz | that's perfectly fine |
| 01:07.46 | woenx | should I force it? |
| 01:07.51 | Kobaz | yeap |
| 01:08.01 | Kobaz | it just wont use the end of the drive |
| 01:08.03 | Kobaz | you can't anyway |
| 01:08.03 | woenx | mdadm: re-added /dev/sdd1 |
| 01:08.06 | woenx | I know |
| 01:08.26 | woenx | yaya |
| 01:08.26 | Kobaz | Partition 1 does not start on physical sector boundary. |
| 01:08.29 | Kobaz | on /dev/sdc |
| 01:08.31 | woenx | yay, it's resyncing |
| 01:08.32 | Kobaz | so that's why |
| 01:08.40 | woenx | it's going to take a few hours though |
| 01:08.45 | woenx | aha |
| 01:08.55 | Kobaz | your stuff doesn't line up |
| 01:08.58 | Kobaz | but that's okay |
| 01:09.06 | Kobaz | you'll take a itty bitty performance hit |
| 01:09.19 | woenx | yes, it's fine |
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| 01:09.42 | Kobaz | like literally microscopic, becase it'll only affect reads of the first sector |
| 01:09.44 | woenx | by the way, what is this: bitmap: 3/4 pages [12KB], 524288KB chunk ? |
| 01:09.52 | woenx | (in /proc/mdstat ) |
| 01:10.02 | Kobaz | that's new output actually first time i'm seeing that |
| 01:10.03 | Kobaz | what kernel? |
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| 01:10.29 | woenx | ehhhh 2.6.32-openvz-042stab133.1-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Aug 16 13:17:56 MSK 2018 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 01:10.34 | Kobaz | oh |
| 01:10.35 | Kobaz | haha |
| 01:10.45 | Kobaz | something specific with openvz then |
| 01:10.49 | woenx | yes |
| 01:10.49 | Kobaz | that's not normal output |
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| 01:11.02 | woenx | ok |
| 01:11.17 | Kobaz | so, you do container stuff? |
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| 01:11.32 | Kobaz | lxc is REALLY AWESOME by the way |
| 01:11.36 | Kobaz | if you want to modernize |
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| 01:12.12 | Kobaz | and you can use a kernel that's not 10 years old |
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| 01:12.39 | woenx | Yes, I've been thinbking about that |
| 01:12.49 | woenx | but I have to asses the pros and cons |
| 01:13.12 | woenx | but yes, I've had some compatibility issues because of the old and custom kernel |
| 01:13.37 | Kobaz | ah |
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| 01:14.23 | Kobaz | just started playing with some lxc stuff a few days ago and this is going to really streamline our production deployments |
| 01:14.34 | woenx | I'll see if there an easy to way to port virtual machines from openvz to lxc |
| 01:14.38 | woenx | aha |
| 01:14.42 | Kobaz | i'm tired of doing apt-get dist-upgrades on production servers. so we're going to deploy app containers |
| 01:15.34 | Kobaz | we use virtualbox for vmx |
| 01:15.37 | Kobaz | but |
| 01:15.46 | Kobaz | probably going to migrate a lot of this stuff to lxc |
| 01:15.55 | Kobaz | tremendously more light weight |
| 01:16.34 | woenx | aha |
| 01:16.40 | woenx | yes |
| 01:16.54 | woenx | is there a gui (or web interface) for lxc? |
| 01:17.22 | rant | barfs |
| 01:17.25 | Kobaz | looks like proxmox |
| 01:17.26 | Kobaz | but |
| 01:17.27 | Kobaz | honestly |
| 01:17.32 | Kobaz | the management is so easy |
| 01:17.33 | Kobaz | you dont need it |
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| 01:17.40 | rant | heh |
| 01:18.04 | rant | Kobaz: that was impressive |
| 01:18.07 | Kobaz | haha |
| 01:18.20 | Kobaz | thanks! i try my best to entertain |
| 01:18.29 | SlidingHorn | Kobaz - Try to keep your thoughts on fewer lines to prevent that in the future :)= |
| 01:18.35 | rant | never seen anyine trigger flood protwction typing |
| 01:18.51 | rant | !enter |
| 01:18.51 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 01:18.53 | Kobaz | but anyway.... lxc is ridiculously easy.... create, start, attach, kill |
| 01:19.00 | pagetelegram | woenx: maybe try looking into these deb recommendations: dbus-user-session pinentry-gnome3 tor apparmor btrfs-tools lvm2 |
| 01:19.32 | maxrazer | Is there any menu lancher I can use with DWM for listing applications using the .desktop files? |
| 01:19.42 | maxrazer | In categories and all that. |
| 01:20.28 | maxrazer | Something that can run with a tiling window manager. |
| 01:20.34 | SlidingHorn | maxrazer: as far as I'm aware, anything that's going to separate things into categories is going to pull in a lot of extra libs, etc. Might want to stick with dmenu or rofi |
| 01:20.52 | rant | maxrazer: deskmenu maybe |
| 01:21.09 | Abdullah | maxrazer: rofi can do that but I forgot it |
| 01:21.28 | maxrazer | I've heard of Rofi and Kupfer, but I don't think they are categorized and use .dekstop files. |
| 01:21.28 | woenx | pagetelegram: thanks |
| 01:21.39 | Abdullah | they do |
| 01:21.49 | Abdullah | atleast rofi did it for me in past |
| 01:21.56 | maxrazer | Oh, ok. I thought they were like dmenu. |
| 01:22.14 | rant | ,depends deskmenu |
| 01:22.15 | judd | Package deskmenu in stretch/amd64 -- depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.20.0), libc6 (>= 2.2.5), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.16.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libx11-6 (>= 0), libxext6. |
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| 01:22.44 | pagetelegram | ,weather 60651 |
| 01:23.10 | SlidingHorn | pagetelegram: Cold & windy. that'll be $5 |
| 01:23.44 | pagetelegram | lol, forgot what the bot syntax was. |
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| 01:38.39 | karlpinc | rwp: Thank you. |
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| 02:05.57 | SerajewelKS | woenx: just saw your messages -- did you get help here? |
| 02:06.53 | SerajewelKS | woenx: i'm getting ready for bed early (have night shift with the baby tonight) |
| 02:07.00 | SerajewelKS | woenx: so i'll be available for just a bit |
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| 02:08.48 | SerajewelKS | woenx: the fdisk output is a bit suspicious |
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| 02:09.15 | SerajewelKS | woenx: can you show me the parted "print" output for sdc and sdd? |
| 02:09.29 | SerajewelKS | woenx: my guess is that since sdd doesn't have a compatibility msdos label, the kernel didn't probe it or something... |
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| 02:10.03 | SerajewelKS | woenx: "blockdev --getsz" on sdc1 and sdd1 would also be helpful |
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| 02:19.35 | Abdullah | No rule to make target '../../certs/test-signing-certs.pem', needed by 'certs/x509_certificate_list'. Stop. |
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| 02:24.10 | beepnboop- | i'm so sick of this garbage distro, tlp stopped working for the 10th thousand time |
| 02:24.39 | beepnboop- | why cant this distro just work and stop breaking shit every week or two |
| 02:25.22 | themill | Glad you've got an alternative, bye! |
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| 02:30.05 | dvs | The only time I see an install breaks is when people want to try sns. |
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| 02:30.34 | beepnboop- | i have no idea why it dose this shit over and over and over |
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| 02:31.02 | whislock | !sns |
| 02:31.02 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 02:39.51 | Whiskey` | herm |
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| 02:50.45 | rant | themill: someone had asked the other day about the claim in dpkg's factoid that linux hasn't been able to properly boot with sysvinit since 2003, I noticed you were the last to modify that factoid.. do you know of a reference for that claim? |
| 02:51.28 | rant | I dug around a bit, couldnt find anything related to it |
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| 02:53.12 | woenx | SerajewelKS: parted print output: https://pastebin.com/8KX0qL6d |
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| 02:54.53 | woenx | SerajewelKS: blockdev and more: https://pastebin.com/kvmMNYQE |
| 02:55.28 | woenx | SerajewelKS: it seems that it should be fine now. the new partition is still syncing. I'll check tomorrow morning when it will have finished. |
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| 02:55.54 | woenx | SerajewelKS: oh, it seems to have finished now. good |
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| 03:03.18 | SerajewelKS | woenx: oh i thought you said it refused to add the other disk? |
| 03:03.40 | SerajewelKS | woenx: the second paste you gave indicates that it's done syncing |
| 03:03.44 | SerajewelKS | oh you said that |
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| 03:04.15 | SerajewelKS | it probably just had to catch up on changes since the array was started without the other disk. that's where that write intent bitmap is useful! it only had to sync the chunks that changed. |
| 03:04.27 | SerajewelKS | it's probably worth figuring out why it failed to start automatically though |
| 03:04.36 | SerajewelKS | well, started degraded anyway |
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| 03:04.53 | SerajewelKS | you said something about it not adding the other disk because it wasn't big enough. how did you resolve that? |
| 03:08.35 | SerajewelKS | oh i see, editing the partition table. but i thought we did that when growing the array? theres fuckery afoot. |
| 03:09.08 | SerajewelKS | glad it is working for the moment, though |
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| 03:10.19 | SerajewelKS | you might make sure that none of the other disks have a GPT with a 4TB partition... maybe last time we edited the wrong disk, though i'm not sure how we would have. |
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| 03:25.04 | woenx | SerajewelKS: I checked fdisk and mdadm and it seems to be all fine. |
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| 03:32.12 | woenx | Well, I think Iḿ going to close this for today |
| 03:32.16 | woenx | goodnight everybody |
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| 04:42.05 | pagetelegram | is wpa-cli depreciated? got suppliment installed and no wpa-cli? |
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| 05:00.48 | rant | ,find bin/wpa-cli |
| 05:00.52 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 05:01.08 | rant | ,find bin/wpa-cli jessie |
| 05:01.12 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 05:02.07 | rant | wth.. my touchpad is suddenly not clicking on anything :P |
| 05:02.48 | rant | ,find wpa-cli |
| 05:02.54 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 05:03.01 | rant | shrugs |
| 05:03.13 | rant | I was gonna search p.d.o but no clicky |
| 05:03.43 | themill | it's _ not - |
| 05:03.52 | themill | ,find bin/wpa_cli |
| 05:03.58 | judd | Search for bin/wpa_cli in stretch/amd64: wpasupplicant: sbin/wpa_cli |
| 05:04.08 | rant | ah, there you have it.. |
| 05:04.20 | rant | themill: any word on my earlier question? |
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| 05:05.49 | rant | in re: |
| 05:05.52 | rant | !sysvinit |
| 05:05.52 | dpkg | sysvinit is an essential package providing System-V-like init utilities (e.g. /sbin/init) required to boot a Debian system. zless /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz . As of sysvinit 2.88dsf-3, concurrent (parallel) booting is the default when <dependency based startup> is enabled. sysvinit hasn't been able to correctly boot the Linux kernel since 2003, which is why alternatives have been actively pursued. |
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| 05:06.35 | pagetelegram | can I easily go from systemd to sysvinit? |
| 05:06.52 | rant | yeah, as easily as going from debian to devaun :P |
| 05:07.27 | rant | I was trying to figure out if anyone had a citation for that comment about sysvinit not being able to correctly boot linux |
| 05:07.42 | rant | themill was last one to modify that factoid.. thought they might know |
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| 05:09.57 | themill | doesn't mean I wrote that bit of it though... and it was last edited 5ish years ago |
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| 05:11.49 | themill | I assume the 2003 comment is referring back to a new requirement with the 2.6 kernel |
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| 05:13.46 | themill | as enumerating devices because non-deterministic an event-based model for boot was basically required but instead the cracks were papered over with all manner of udev hackery. |
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| 05:20.37 | Abdullah | Linux ak 5.0.0-rc3 #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Jan 23 07:13:22 PKT 2019 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 05:29.59 | t3st3r | its wpa_cli, not wpa-cli... |
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| 05:31.19 | pagetelegram | !# thank you...simple things like that |
| 05:38.48 | pagetelegram | setup another console deb though on usb thumb from another laptop....I installed grub on the thumb and now when I try to boot I get "Missing OS" / "Operating System Not Found." is this an easy fix? |
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| 05:41.12 | Abdullah | what's your problem? |
| 05:41.20 | Abdullah | what you wanna achieve? |
| 05:42.15 | pagetelegram | Abdullah....just want to learn so I can be more functional with terminal |
| 05:42.51 | pagetelegram | Terminal has become my playland for last two weeks. |
| 05:43.50 | Abdullah | pagetelegram: are you really interested in it? |
| 05:44.00 | Abdullah | what you just said |
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| 05:46.01 | pagetelegram | Yes, I can get more done quicker and the terminal is less distractions and taskswitching not forcing the brain to multitask. |
| 05:47.34 | Abdullah | I don't know much about grub. As I never installed it myself. |
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| 06:05.32 | Jmabsd | Does KVM-QEMU need a separate package to UEFI-boot the guest?? |
| 06:08.24 | Jmabsd | Ah, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Using_UEFI_with_QEMU#virt-install says you need to pass "--boot uefi" to virt-install. |
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| 06:10.52 | pagetelegram | Any tool for console only debian that can use screen buffer and capture it to a bitmap or some graphic format? Something that does not require me to fill my hard drive with X11 stuff? |
| 06:12.39 | well_laid_lawn | pagetelegram: have a look at fbgrab |
| 06:13.34 | pagetelegram | ^ thanks :) |
| 06:13.41 | well_laid_lawn | cheers |
| 06:14.01 | Jmabsd | aha, the "ovmf" package contains AMD64 UEFI guest firmware. |
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| 06:18.10 | pagetelegram | wow this works great! just point it to the tty # and filename....love it! |
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| 06:19.04 | well_laid_lawn | there are more fb* programs |
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| 06:26.52 | amvodf | I wanted to switch from xterm from my xfce install to stterm and I did apt-get install stterm. But it seems that there is no config.h file in my system after I checked with "sudo find / -name "config.h" |
| 06:27.28 | amvodf | I don't know if it's wise for me to just do make install instead. |
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| 06:32.37 | well_laid_lawn | I'd pull from github any program I'd have to build |
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| 06:48.42 | amvodf | well_laid_lawn, what place do you usually store the files when you mannually install program? $HOME, /usr/local/src , /usr/src a mix of all therm? |
| 06:49.33 | dka | How can I loop until IP:port is not responding using bash ? |
| 06:49.34 | well_laid_lawn | amvodf: I have made a ~/build dir for different programs I build |
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| 06:54.14 | madrik | Greetings. |
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| 07:00.37 | well_laid_lawn | amvodf: I have made a ~/.bin/ dir that I added to the start of $PATH for the exxecutables I have built |
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| 07:21.36 | foobiebletch | debian rules! |
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| 07:25.42 | amvodf | suppose I want this program to work for all users including root, I would have to put it in /usr/local/src and /usr/local/bin ? |
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| 07:33.49 | furrymcgee | yes I think /usr/local/... according to filesystem hierarchy standard but in debian this is no shell default path for all users, usually you build a package to install a program in a system directory with apt or dpkg |
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| 07:39.47 | amvodf | furrymcgee, this is what I installed https://packages.debian.org/es/source/sid/stterm |
| 07:40.16 | amvodf | in particular the stterm_0.8.1.orig.tar.gz, I don't know how important is stterm_0.8.1-2.dsc and stterm_0.8.1-2.debian.tar.xz |
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| 07:41.00 | amvodf | I then created a ~/build folder and unzipped and untarred the ball. |
| 07:42.14 | amvodf | Doing apt-get source stterm , only suggests me to go use git. |
| 07:42.42 | amvodf | Ultimately I decided to just download the .tar.gz file. |
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| 07:43.21 | furrymcgee | if you want to build a package in debian see apt source --build hello for example |
| 07:43.44 | furrymcgee | this git message is annoying |
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| 07:46.08 | amvodf | I was shocked when I did apt-get install stterm, I didn't recieve configuration files for it. |
| 07:46.10 | themill | It's giving you extra information about how to get newer sources. Most people want that |
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| 07:48.23 | oskie | ok, so I have 'apt-cache show' output for some package - how can I figure out what to put for Unattended-Upgrade::Allowed-Origins to allow this package? |
| 07:49.28 | amvodf | themill, is there a command for me to verify the checksum of the .dsc file and .tar.xz ? I think I am using md5sum command wrong. |
| 07:49.33 | furrymcgee | themill: there is /usr/bin/debcheckout if you want that |
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| 07:49.56 | themill | furrymcgee: apt can't know what you want, hence it informs you |
| 07:50.17 | furrymcgee | apt is not source code management |
| 07:50.38 | themill | we should delete the source command from it entirely then |
| 07:50.53 | amvodf | So apt-src is redudant? |
| 07:51.09 | furrymcgee | no |
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| 07:52.58 | furrymcgee | maybe git devs want it to be redundant |
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| 08:46.42 | SpeedyG | would it be possible to install samba from etch or sarge on lenny (not yet considering the dependency hell, just wanna know if its possible_ |
| 08:46.55 | SpeedyG | ls |
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| 08:50.17 | PaddyF | SpeedyG: if you go that path via debootstrap, yes |
| 08:50.26 | SpeedyG | ok, thanks :) |
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| 08:57.55 | ghoulsblade | hi! looks like i discovered a intel skylake microcode cpu bug that breaks rtcwake, it is solved by bios update AsRock H110M-DGS P7.30 -> P7.70 which updates microcode, should i report this somewhere to save other people analysis work ? details here so far : https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-server-73/rtcwake-changes-rtc-time-4175646395/ |
| 08:58.32 | tarzeau | ghoulsblade: absolutelyl, bugs.debian.org/intel-microcode probably |
| 08:59.07 | tarzeau | ghoulsblade: wait, what version of debian? stable? maybe it's fixed in testing or sid already? |
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| 09:00.25 | ghoulsblade | debian stretch, i weird behavior for rtcwake, updated my bios, and now rtcwake works correctly, the bios changelog mentions microcode updates but doesnt give details |
| 09:01.15 | ghoulsblade | not sure if its something that is fixable by debian versions, seems like a bug in the cpu microcode itself |
| 09:01.30 | ghoulsblade | or does debian update the microcode ? |
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| 09:02.11 | apollo13 | yes |
| 09:02.33 | apollo13 | see the intel-microcode package |
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| 09:03.55 | ghoulsblade | oke, i will email the infos to the Maintainers for intel-microcode listed in that bugtracker and let them decide |
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| 09:41.43 | Resilience | I have some NTFS partittions wit physical errors, os there some how to mark those faulty sectors to not be used by the FS? |
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| 09:45.03 | SwedeMike | Resilience: filesystems typically expect the physical device to not have errors and do re-mapping of bad sectors when they're written again. Any device not doing this is faulty and should be replaced. So no, generally filesystems don't do what you're asking. |
| 09:45.38 | Resilience | sweedI thought there was some how to mark the sectors as faulty |
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| 09:46.39 | SwedeMike | Resilience: if you write to them they will probably not be faulty again. If writes to them fail, then you need to replace the drive. |
| 09:46.56 | rant | well... technically SMART takes care of that already |
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| 09:47.09 | Resilience | SwedeMike, how Can I write to them? |
| 09:47.19 | rant | but yes, if the drive has bad sectors you need to backup and get a new drive ASAP |
| 09:47.23 | Resilience | rant, smart is given me errors |
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| 09:47.31 | Resilience | rant, ok |
| 09:48.07 | rant | na, that's smartd which might as well be called dumb.. heh |
| 09:48.26 | rant | SMART is on the drive itself.. and automatically fixes these problems |
| 09:48.28 | SwedeMike | Resilience: I'd recommend to use gddrescue to image the drive to a file on a larger drive, just to make sure you have a backup. Then you can image it back to the drive again, which will overwrite everything including the bad blocks. Then you can fsck the volume to work out if any files etc are damaged. |
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| 09:51.14 | rant | Resilience: there is a utility badblocks for ext filesystems, but equiv utils for ntfs are not available, you have to use windows.. but you really should backup and get a new drive |
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| 09:54.17 | Resilience | SwedeMike, rant thanks |
| 09:54.42 | Resilience | rant, may I eun some of that utils from wine? I suppose yes, right? |
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| 09:55.59 | rant | Resilience: you could lookup some bomb specs, make a homemade pipe bomb and shove it up your rear end but it doesnt make it a good idea :P |
| 09:57.32 | rant | which that idea is to you, what your idea is to the data on that drive :P |
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| 10:06.04 | Resilience | rant :P |
| 10:06.23 | Resilience | SwedeMike, what id gddrescue fails? |
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| 10:09.01 | SwedeMike | Resilience: well, that means your drive is completely broken and your data is lost. |
| 10:09.25 | SwedeMike | (depending on how it fails of course) |
| 10:09.27 | rant | eh.. completely is a bit rash.. |
| 10:09.40 | rant | does it sound funny? |
| 10:10.04 | Resilience | SwedeMike, drive only has a few bad sectors |
| 10:10.35 | SwedeMike | Resilience: then most likely gddrescue will not fail, it'll just not be able to read those sectors. |
| 10:10.38 | rant | not like as in like Chris Rock funny, but.. y'know not like a normal soft purr of a hdd |
| 10:10.50 | Resilience | SwedeMike, ok |
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| 10:15.42 | jim | Resilience, you may wish to get a new drive... and, restore from backups |
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| 10:21.55 | petn-randall | booyah: Apparently, though I don't know how that even works before finishing the download. |
| 10:22.17 | booyah | petn-randall: what a massive cockup :& |
| 10:22.49 | booyah | too bad sign is on checksum file, not on given 1 package |
| 10:22.52 | booyah | would make it easier, but still |
| 10:23.34 | booyah | dpkg could be made to re-verify signature on it's own. then use as dpkg-secure foo.deb --signed-checksum-file SUMS.sha256 |
| 10:23.34 | dpkg | booyah: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request |
| 10:23.57 | booyah | and make all tools like apt call dpkg-secure |
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| 10:24.34 | booyah | then bug in just one of apt/dpkg is not enough to execute such attack (without access to trusted GPG keys) |
| 10:24.48 | themill | that's much harder for key rotation though |
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| 10:25.12 | booyah | or move to normal foo_0.1.2+3.deb.asc format |
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| 10:25.27 | themill | same problem with key rotation |
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| 10:25.46 | booyah | themill: how exactly? dpkg-secure could be given two sets of acceptable GPG keys |
| 10:25.54 | themill | worse, actually |
| 10:26.08 | Resilience | rant, I will be getting a new drive, but, why it would a bad idea to ran with wine a badblock program for windows? |
| 10:26.13 | themill | you've got to go around re-signing all the previously built .debs every couple of years |
| 10:26.38 | themill | and different releases get signed with different keys but can have the same .debs |
| 10:27.00 | booyah | themill: well then the old waym but make dpkg recheck it |
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| 10:27.48 | rant | Resilience: because these programs are PART of windows and if you have them you already have windows.. and wine is NOT windows it is a reverse engineered approximation of their ABI that cannot be relied upon to not blow your arse off like a pipe bomb in your rear.. |
| 10:29.15 | Resilience | rant My windows was statrted very long ago, before-spectre times, and it is not patched agains it so... that's why I was thinking about wine |
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| 10:29.58 | rant | ugh.. you got an OS holier than swiss cheese and you're worried about spectre? |
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| 10:31.43 | rant | don't use NTFS from now on is my advice.. get your data off the drive.. get a new drive.. and if you wanna TRY a stop-gap until you can get a new drive use windows.. |
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| 10:33.56 | trysten | My system load is at 4.0 but nothing is using CPU in top. Where to look next? |
| 10:34.16 | Greyztar | Is there a guide somewhere on how to connect to captive portal,im using firefox on debian |
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| 10:35.11 | trysten | Greyztar: my firefox automatically detects it. Maybe try going somewhere |
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| 10:35.49 | SwedeMike | trysten: you can check if you have processes in D state https://stackoverflow.com/questions/20423521/process-permanently-stuck-on-d-state |
| 10:36.47 | Greyztar | trysten: ok |
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| 10:41.14 | trysten | SwedeMike: yes, I do have some zombies. Should that be putting my load factor so high? It's up to 6 now >.> |
| 10:41.29 | SwedeMike | trysten: any process in D state adds 1 to your load. |
| 10:41.39 | SwedeMike | trysten: load is "processes waiting to run". |
| 10:42.05 | SwedeMike | so if you have 6 hung processes waiting for the kernel to complete the API call, then you will have 6 in load with almost no CPU utilisation at all |
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| 10:43.44 | trysten | SwedeMike: Ah, I see. Thank you for explaining. I was freaking out over nothing, which is what zombies tend to cause. Any tips to relieve this problem from un-reliable sshfs mounts? |
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| 10:45.06 | SwedeMike | trysten: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1263543 or something so the sshfs mount is removed and processes get read error. |
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| 10:47.53 | trysten | SwedeMike: Of course, configure ssh. Ha thanks again |
| 10:47.57 | trysten | leaves to reboot |
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| 11:54.22 | wr | installed network-manager but don't have systray icon, what package brings it? |
| 11:55.12 | rant | idk, be less specific... or maybe tell us what Desktop Environment you are using |
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| 11:59.26 | rant | or not... there are only 7 of them, not to mention how many OTHER panels have notification areas.. its probably network-manager-gnome, or not depending on what you're using |
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| 12:08.40 | wr | rant, gnome |
| 12:08.53 | rant | ,i network-manager-gnome |
| 12:08.54 | judd | Package network-manager-gnome (gnome, optional) in stretch/amd64: network management framework (GNOME frontend). Version: 1.4.4-1+deb9u1; Size: 988.0k; Installed: 6070k; Homepage: https://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/network-manager-gnome |
| 12:10.07 | rant | wr: according to the screenshot above, I'd say that's what you're looking for |
| 12:10.47 | wr | rant, as i said i have it installed, i also have wicd is it because of it can't see systray icon? |
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| 12:11.39 | rant | I strongly recommend you remove all wicd packages.. I like the idea of it, but its horrible, broken, and not worth fooling with. |
| 12:11.40 | deadrom | hi |
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| 12:12.20 | rant | wr: as for the systray icon, if its installed, it would also have to be running and you'd have to have a place for it to show up.. |
| 12:12.33 | rant | deadrom: you need help with something? |
| 12:12.56 | deadrom | need to shrink ntfs partition. ntfsresize says "error in fs, chkdsk /f in windows and reboot twice". can't get the disk *easily* into a windows machine right now. any other way to fix it? |
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| 12:13.48 | rant | well, if there really is an error.. then you risk data corruption.. safest way to resize a windows fs is to chkdsk and defrag in windows first.. |
| 12:13.56 | wr | rant, when i installed debian xfce i didn't have network-manager and none worked so i installed wicd and it works, but to return to network-manager-gnome get no interface on change so loose wifi |
| 12:16.04 | rant | deadrom: however you could attempt to fix it with the ntfsfix command |
| 12:16.29 | rant | ,find bin/ntfsfix |
| 12:16.33 | judd | Search for bin/ntfsfix in stretch/amd64: ntfs-3g: bin/ntfsfix |
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| 12:17.39 | rant | wr: yes well you probably need to service stop wicd and service start network-manager |
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| 12:18.20 | rant | if that makes it pop up, then you will need to make the change persistent.. |
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| 12:18.45 | wr | rant, yes i know, is it because of that systray icon not appearing? |
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| 12:50.55 | deadrom | rant: ill give it a go. |
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| 13:05.47 | wr | is xfce4-xfapplet-plugin available on any debian package? |
| 13:06.01 | wr | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/xfce4-goodies |
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| 13:12.13 | wr | how can i install xfce4-xfapplet-plugin on debian xfce? |
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| 13:15.34 | themill | isn't that long since dead? |
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| 13:16.50 | petn-randall | IIRC you should need this since wheezy. |
| 13:16.59 | petn-randall | IIRC you shouldn't need this since wheezy. |
| 13:17.00 | wr | themill, after network-manager-gnome install on my debian xfce cant see it's systray icon, maybe need that plugin on panel |
| 13:17.19 | petn-randall | Ah, an xy problem :) |
| 13:17.28 | petn-randall | wr: No, that works fine without. |
| 13:18.35 | wr | petn-randall, i also have wicd, so... |
| 13:18.55 | themill | having both is rarely a good thing |
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| 13:19.53 | wr | themill, i know, but after stopping one could not get network-manager-gnome systray, wanna remove wicd but would get out of wifi |
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| 13:53.03 | pragomer | hi, I would like to start the program "atom" (the editor) with a special gtk theme. This line works from terminal: |
| 13:53.14 | pragomer | Exec=GTK_THEME=Adapta-Nokto atom |
| 13:53.43 | pragomer | but it doesnt work as a desktop starter or from within filezilla. Is there another solution to select a specific gtk theme to just one program? |
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| 14:17.36 | wwilliam | Hello any document on how to join a windows domain with stretch? thank you. |
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| 14:22.23 | jhutchins_wk | !samba |
| 14:22.23 | dpkg | Samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file/print sharing (the SMB/CIFS protocol). http://samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/ http://samba.org/samba/docs/ http://wiki.samba.org/ #samba on irc.freenode.net. See also <dfs>. |
| 14:23.18 | jhutchins_wk | wwilliam: Documentation mostly focuses on servers rather than clients, but the client aspect is there. |
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| 14:30.35 | wwilliam | jhutchins_wk: Thank you will read |
| 14:31.59 | jhutchins_wk | wwilliam: My own knowledge of it is badly out-of-date. |
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| 14:34.17 | wwilliam | OK... |
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| 15:13.18 | uio | Hi, just created a LUKS usb. What is up with the root-only lost+found folder?? |
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| 15:14.25 | petn-randall | uio: What about it? |
| 15:14.41 | colo-work | uio, that's where files recovered by fsck will end up in |
| 15:14.41 | uio | It's empty, I didn't put it there.. |
| 15:14.48 | uio | So it's normal? |
| 15:14.58 | uio | Should I just totally leave it only? |
| 15:14.59 | colo-work | yes |
| 15:15.02 | uio | *alone? |
| 15:15.06 | colo-work | yes |
| 15:15.11 | uio | Okay. |
| 15:15.20 | uio | Just checking :) |
| 15:15.38 | petn-randall | uio: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=lost%2Bfound |
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| 15:15.57 | uio | I just found out that gnome-disks can make LUKS usbs. Very easy to use! |
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| 15:16.07 | cusco | mkfs creates it, I always delete it |
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| 15:18.36 | uio | petn-randall, https://frama.link/petn |
| 15:19.01 | deadrom | how do I remove grub from an mbr without losing the parition table? |
| 15:19.42 | jelly | deadrom: you install some other boot code |
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| 15:22.30 | deadrom | jelly: disk is not supposed to boot anymore, I'd rather like no boot code at all |
| 15:24.01 | deadrom | backup partition table, zero first MB up to partition, create ols table? |
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| 15:35.21 | Bjornn | I have a USB that I was running debian on, it was booting but at some point it stopped booting. Now I would like to be able to browse it for some files but it doesn't give me access to certain directories. what would be the method to access all of these directories? |
| 15:35.49 | petn-randall | uio: We tend to teach people how to fish instead of giving them a fish. So we expect that you do your own cursory search for an answer before asking in the channel, or a mailing list, or any other support space. |
| 15:35.59 | EoflaOE | deadrom: Is your hard drive MBR? or GPT? |
| 15:36.51 | petn-randall | uio: And if the answer to your question is the first hit on Google, I'm going out on a limb and guessing that you didn't do any research before asking. |
| 15:36.54 | Bjornn | I do not know |
| 15:37.12 | Bjornn | I'll try to figure that out. |
| 15:37.35 | greycat | Bjornn: fdisk -l |
| 15:37.46 | greycat | "Disklabel type" line |
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| 15:40.33 | Bjornn | ahh. I see it. |
| 15:40.36 | Bjornn | it says dos |
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| 15:42.34 | greycat | "dos" and "MBR" mean the same thing in this case |
| 15:43.12 | Bjornn | the os recognizes it as a linux drive with rights, which I was a little surprised by |
| 15:43.25 | jhutchins_wk | Bjornn: Are you browsing it as root, or through a GUI? |
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| 15:43.57 | Bjornn | GUI |
| 15:44.09 | Bjornn | that's the issue I guess. |
| 15:44.09 | jhutchins_wk | There ya go. |
| 15:44.26 | uio | petn-randall, You went out on a non-existant limb. |
| 15:44.30 | jhutchins_wk | Bjornn: The issue is probably that some system directories are root-only. |
| 15:45.15 | Bjornn | dumb question I guess but how do I launch my file manager as root? |
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| 15:46.29 | uio | petn-randall, Secondly, I think that if one keeps such a narrow notion of what 'giving a fish' vs 'teaching to fish' that such realms as Debian will remain closed, and reserved for those who undestand tech well. How can one reconcile such closedness and the Freedom that Linux proclaims? |
| 15:47.23 | jhutchins_wk | Bjornn: That's not a good idea. Running GUI apps as root can make your system unusable. |
| 15:47.50 | jhutchins_wk | Bjornn: Use the console. If you really need a file browser, use something like mc. |
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| 15:48.31 | Bjornn | ok. thanks to all. |
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| 15:52.21 | petn-randall | uio: You have a very peculiar definition of "closedness". This isn't special to Debian that people giving support for free expect you to do a minute of your own research before taking some of their time. |
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| 15:56.45 | jelly | uio, petn-randall: sometimes a volunteer has time to explain well known info as it comes up in the conversation. Sometimes you'll get a response not unlike "RTFM" |
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| 16:00.07 | petn-randall | Point taken. I should have framed that in a less affronting way. |
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| 16:01.19 | jhutchins_wk | uio: Linux isn't a least-common-denominator system. You have to be willing to learn in order to use it. |
| 16:01.49 | Bjornn | true that |
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| 16:05.23 | EdePopede | i have the impression it was easier in the past. all i had was a cd with some doc packages and a book which draw a line from "what and why is linux" to "what's all this stuff and how to use it". and just some 100mb of packages available. now i'm glad i didn't have the whole internet to choose from. |
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| 16:11.56 | acidtripper | MM? have never been easy |
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| 16:12.19 | acidtripper | but it has evolved |
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| 16:13.31 | shtrb | Does anyone know or have information about the apt vulnerability, and what are the metigations ? |
| 16:13.41 | gedia | Hello all. Is there a way to manually mark a package as "Provided"? Or is my only option to use apt-mark to mark it as manually/automatically installed? |
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| 16:14.46 | shtrb | Sorry - this https://github.com/Debian/apt/commit/5eb01ec13f3ede4bae5e60eb16bd8cffb7c03e1b |
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| 16:15.52 | avu | shtrb: the original post about the issue - https://justi.cz/security/2019/01/22/apt-rce.html - has mitigation suggestions right at the top |
| 16:16.25 | shtrb | Sorry, and thank you |
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| 16:28.09 | shibboleth | https://justi.cz/security/2019/01/22/apt-rce.html |
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| 16:29.09 | shibboleth | ydays news, sure. but this is what happens when you begin over-engineering for shits and giggles |
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| 16:56.18 | JordiGH | I haven't done `apt upgrade` in a couple of weeks, but I just did it today and it seems really big. |
| 16:56.22 | JordiGH | Something happened? |
| 16:57.04 | JordiGH | /etc/kernel/postinst.d/dkms: |
| 16:57.05 | JordiGH | Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 4.19.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 (x86_64) |
| 16:57.05 | JordiGH | Consult /var/lib/dkms/open-vm-tools/10.1.5/build/make.log for more information. |
| 16:57.07 | JordiGH | Hmmmmm.... |
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| 17:00.40 | petn-randall | JordiGH: How "big"? |
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| 17:00.49 | JordiGH | 400 megs. |
| 17:01.28 | petn-randall | So 1 or 2 large packages? |
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| 17:01.52 | JordiGH | No, it was a big list, hold on, let me check the logs. |
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| 17:03.23 | JordiGH | There's some stuff that pisses off vrms here: http://paste.debian.net/1062134/ |
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| 17:04.46 | JordiGH | Also, nice, apt logs history. This is still a new development for me. |
| 17:04.52 | petn-randall | JordiGH: I see a new kernel from backports, so that would explain it. |
| 17:05.35 | JordiGH | Erm, how do I see which linuxen I have installed? |
| 17:05.41 | shtrb | where does apt log history ? |
| 17:05.56 | JordiGH | shtrb: The expected location! |
| 17:05.59 | JordiGH | /var/log/apt |
| 17:06.34 | shtrb | facepalms |
| 17:07.16 | JordiGH | For your sake or mine? |
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| 17:07.51 | shtrb | mine, it was obbious and I didn't think checking there before asking |
| 17:12.03 | JordiGH | I wonder if my uptime is worth trying to get ksplice to work. Is ksplice still a thing? |
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| 17:14.01 | gedia | Am I right in thinking that when pointing "apt install" to a local .deb file, the "Provides" list of the deb is not processed? |
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| 17:23.07 | gedia | OK, I don't get it. dpkg --status ifupdown2 prints: "Provides: ifupdown". But running 'apt install ucapr' will remove ifupdown2 and install ifupdown. Is this expected behaviour? |
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| 17:25.24 | jmcnaught | gedia: is ucapr a package from Debian or from a third party repo? I can't find a ucapr package, you might need to the people who provide the package why it acts like that |
| 17:26.06 | gedia | jmcnaught: I meant ucarp, sorry, typo |
| 17:26.28 | gedia | But ifupdown2 is built from sources |
| 17:26.40 | gedia | Because I needed some bugfixes in the latest release |
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| 17:30.48 | jmcnaught | gedia: i have ifupdown2 installed here, and if I run "apt-get -s install ucarp" it does not try to remove ifupdown2 or install ifupdown |
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| 17:32.31 | Spec | Heya. I'm looking into setting up libpam-google-authenticator. I see some documentation on how to set it up so only users with the .google-authenticator file in their ~ will require MFA, and in this way service accounts can avoid MFA |
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| 17:33.11 | Spec | However, I would like to set up pam such that only service accounts belonging to a specific group can avoid MFA, and all other accounts require it (and if .google-authenticator is missing, their account will simply be inaccessible) |
| 17:33.22 | Spec | Know of any good documentation on configuring pam in this way? :) |
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| 17:45.01 | acidtripper | is the apt vulnerability fixed on debian stable?? |
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| 17:46.12 | LtL | acidtripper: if i read correctly, yes. apt version 1.4.9 is fixed. |
| 17:46.30 | jhutchins_wk | ,v apt |
| 17:46.31 | judd | Package: apt on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 0.9.7.9+deb7u6; wheezy: 0.9.7.9+deb7u7; jessie: 1.0.9.8.4; jessie-security: 1.0.9.8.4; stretch: 1.4.8; stretch-proposed-updates: 1.4.9; stretch-security: 1.4.9; buster: 1.8.0~alpha3.1; sid: 1.8.0~alpha3.1 |
| 17:46.35 | jmcnaught | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2019-3462 |
| 17:46.42 | gedia | jmcnaught: if you mean ~i~Pifupdown, then only ifupdown2 is listed (because of the Provides directive) |
| 17:47.21 | acidtripper | so.. if you have security repos disabled.. you'r vulnerable |
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| 17:47.34 | acidtripper | such stupid thing.. to don't merge it on common resos.. |
| 17:47.36 | acidtripper | repos |
| 17:48.15 | LtL | acidtripper: to not keep a proper sources.list is 'more' stupid. |
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| 17:48.49 | greycat | "if you have security repos disabled.. you'r vulnerable" is a true statement, so don't disable them. Simple. |
| 17:49.09 | jhutchins_wk | Yeah, there's some user responsibility when it comes to security. |
| 17:50.16 | greycat | Do note that the security sources *are* included by default at installation time, unless you install without a network. So, you have to kinda go out of your way to disable them. |
| 17:50.45 | greycat | I still hate how the "I had no network so I get no sources.list not even commented out" thing works, though. |
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| 17:51.48 | acidtripper | it's common to install without network since in debian-nonfirmware most wlan firmwares aren't included... |
| 17:52.02 | greycat | It SHOULD NOT be common. |
| 17:52.19 | nsrafk | Hi. Im a total newbie. I have a box with root and absolutely no clue about where to start or end. I basically just need the box for openssh, znc, oidentd. Do any of you have a quick-start guide or smth that i need to do? |
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| 17:53.20 | greycat | That said, I do wish the no-network sources.list would be constructed with the proper contents commented out, and then two or three lines of plain English comments above that saying "You installed without a network, so these sources are disabled. If you've got a network now, you should uncomment these." |
| 17:54.09 | gedia | jmcnaught: sorry, power issues, might have missed a couple msgs |
| 17:54.25 | acidtripper | greycat, that's why sometimes i argue.. there are things i don't like |
| 17:54.35 | acidtripper | for example not including any fuckn app in install cd |
| 17:54.48 | acidtripper | you can run cfdisk, o common used apps when chrooting on a machine |
| 17:54.54 | jhutchins_wk | !handbook |
| 17:54.54 | dpkg | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>. PDF at https://debian-handbook.info/download/stable/debian-handbook.pdf |
| 17:54.56 | acidtripper | cant* |
| 17:55.22 | nsrafk | thanks jhutchins_wk |
| 17:55.27 | jmcnaught | gedia: I don't think you missed any messages. Personally I'm taking a food break after making too many dumb mistakes :) I hope you figure it out |
| 17:55.42 | gedia | thanks :-) |
| 17:56.03 | nsrafk | Quite a lot of info to dig for this basic stuff i need to do :O |
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| 17:57.11 | jhutchins_wk | nsrafk: People often say that linux has a steep learning curve. There's a lot to learn at the very beginning. It can be overwhelming, but once you hit your stride it's very rewarding. |
| 17:57.48 | jhutchins_wk | !user's guide |
| 17:57.49 | dpkg | If you are looking for manuals, guides and procedures focusing on Debian - from a user perspective, the administrator's view and others - see http://www.debian.org/doc/ . Also ask me about <reference> and <grounding>. |
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| 17:59.53 | nsrafk | I can imagine. I just want a somewhat secure box with a single useraccount where i'm able to run znc and a couple of other basic things. It's a jungle. I have the basic knowledge being a regular user of a box |
| 18:00.45 | nsrafk | i can install and config different apps but when i encounter errors becuase of some basic systemwide apps not installed im friggin lost :D |
| 18:00.58 | shtrb | nsrafk, just disconnect from the network and you will be safe (poewr included) |
| 18:01.21 | nsrafk | touche |
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| 18:09.47 | jhutchins_wk | nsrafk: If you use the apt tools (apt, apt-get, aptitude) they should resolve dependencies for you. |
| 18:10.29 | jhutchins_wk | nsrafk: In most linux distros, it's not a matter of hunting down packages, downloading, and installing them. You use the package management system to pull down programs and requirements and install them automatically. |
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| 18:13.02 | jhutchins_wk | ,v wine |
| 18:13.03 | judd | Package: wine on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.4.1-4; jessie: 1.6.2-20; jessie-backports: 1.8.7-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.8.7-2; stretch-backports: 3.0.3-2~bpo9+1; sid: 3.0.4-1; buster: 4.0~rc6-1; sid: 4.0~rc6-1 |
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| 18:33.37 | uio | Is there a way to chech the sha256sum of a package from github? Namely https://github.com/trehn/termdown |
| 18:33.54 | aaii | Hi, If i install debian with netinstall , this install for me WM or DE auto or before install ask me about install them or not? |
| 18:34.26 | aaii | (Windows Manager & Desktop Environment) |
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| 18:35.55 | karlpinc | aaii: The installer will ask you whether you want to install a desktop (which comes with a window manager), and provide a list of choices. You can choose many or none. |
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| 18:37.12 | karlpinc | uio: openssl sha256 < somefile |
| 18:37.21 | aaii | karlpinc, in expert mode? or in normal mode? |
| 18:37.28 | greycat | there's also a sha256sum command |
| 18:37.38 | karlpinc | aaii: It is often best to use the unofficial installer with non-free firmware included. |
| 18:37.53 | karlpinc | aaii: In normal mode. |
| 18:38.13 | n4dir | thing is: during installation you will install the "task" of the choosen desktop-environment, that is: much more than if you just do, for example, "apt-get install xfce" after installation. |
| 18:38.24 | karlpinc | !firmware images |
| 18:38.24 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>. |
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| 18:39.09 | karlpinc | aaii: Although you can install "tasks" (or uninstall them) after installation if you want to do that. |
| 18:39.13 | aaii | karlpinc, i want install debian for a server :| should i install nonfree? software |
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| 18:39.48 | uio | karlpinc: Yes, thanks I had done that... but I find no sum against which to compare it, like from github for example.... |
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| 18:40.16 | karlpinc | aaii: That's a personal choice. But some hardware requires non-free firmware to work. So unless you want to replace hardware you sometimes have no choice but to install non-free firmware. |
| 18:40.40 | aaii | karlpinc, yeah right , thanks |
| 18:40.44 | karlpinc | aaii: Non-free software is a larger catagory, and the installer will ask you if you want to have it available for installation. |
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| 18:42.12 | karlpinc | uio: They may have a file with sums you can download, or ...? I don't know github that well. It's a github question. |
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| 18:59.41 | uio | Is it a bad idea to use pip in su? |
| 18:59.51 | karlpinc | uio: Very bad. |
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| 19:00.25 | uio | karlpinc: Why? |
| 19:00.40 | uio | karlpinc: I just installed a package with pip in su... |
| 19:00.49 | uio | karlpinc: termdown namely... |
| 19:00.53 | karlpinc | uio: #python will tell you about it. But basically: Use either apt (apt-get/aptitude/etc) and install debian packages or create python virtual environments and use pip in the virtual environment. |
| 19:01.15 | uio | karlpinc: Will anything get broken though? |
| 19:01.45 | karlpinc | uio: Using pip as root mixes python's packaging system with Debian's packaging system. |
| 19:02.07 | korki | which is always fun :) |
| 19:02.07 | karlpinc | uio: Yes. Because debian is expecting one set of software verions/etc. and pip another. |
| 19:02.18 | uio | karlpinc: Could I just use in under as user? |
| 19:02.26 | karlpinc | uio: So mixing them breaks things. |
| 19:02.40 | karlpinc | uio: The right way is to make a python virtual environment and use pip in it. |
| 19:02.54 | karlpinc | uio: As a user. |
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| 19:10.24 | Jemt | Hi. Regarding the security issue with apt and redirects (https://www.debian.org/security/2019/dsa-4371): I get an error when updating without allowing redirects. Can I use the cdn-fastly alternative mentioned to update Debian 8 (Old stable) ? |
| 19:10.55 | Jemt | deb http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian-security jessie/updates main contrib non-free |
| 19:11.01 | Jemt | Does that look right ? |
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| 19:15.07 | Jemt | I changed "stable/updates" to "jessie/updates" and added "contrib" and "non-free" at the end |
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| 19:15.54 | LtL | Jemt: run apt-get update it will more than likely tell you if it's correct |
| 19:16.12 | petn-randall | Jemt: stable is not jessie. jessie is oldstable for 1.5 years now. |
| 19:16.16 | petn-randall | closer to 2. |
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| 19:16.26 | petn-randall | Jemt: Are you running stretch or jessie? |
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| 19:17.20 | Jemt | Version 8.11 |
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| 19:17.34 | Jemt | Jessie |
| 19:17.40 | Jemt | petn-randall |
| 19:18.16 | petn-randall | then "stable/updates" pointed to stretch/updates for the last 2 years. |
| 19:18.42 | Jemt | Yes, I know. My question is, will "deb http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian-security jessie/updates main contrib non-free" work ? |
| 19:18.53 | LtL | Jemt: it should work, try it |
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| 19:19.15 | greycat | He wrote old stable in his original question. I *think* that when he wrote "changed stable to..." he means changed from what was written in the instructions for stretch, not what was in his file. |
| 19:19.44 | Jemt | Thanks LtL. This is a production server - I'm very afraid to break it. I'd better clone it first and spawn a new server from the snapshot to test with. |
| 19:19.47 | petn-randall | ooh, that makes more sense. |
| 19:19.56 | jhutchins_wk | It's also possible he had "stable" in his sources.list but hadn't done an update. |
| 19:19.58 | Jemt | greycat: Exactly :) |
| 19:20.08 | petn-randall | Jemt: The worst that can happen is that you get an error and change the settings back again. |
| 19:20.20 | Jemt | Oh, okay - thanks :-) |
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| 19:20.44 | jhutchins_wk | Jemt: Always good to have a snapshot or some other backup. |
| 19:21.12 | Jemt | Yes :) |
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| 19:22.57 | jhutchins_wk | Jemt: Probably a good idea to plan on spinning up a new VM for stretch and eperiment with migrating apps/applications to that. |
| 19:23.54 | Jemt | Well, I'm not planning on upgrading to Debian 9 today. I just want the latest security updates |
| 19:24.16 | Jemt | So I don't expect anything to break if the update is successful |
| 19:25.02 | LtL | Jemt: i doubt apt-get update will harm anything, if it errors then apt-get clean and find another way. |
| 19:26.00 | jhutchins_wk | Jemt: I'm just suggesting you plan to do that work. |
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| 19:26.30 | jhutchins_wk | I've had to deal with a couple of environments where the OS went out of support but servers were still in production. |
| 19:26.31 | Jemt | LtL: Great, glad to hear that :) |
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| 19:27.01 | Jemt | jhutchins_wk: Good idea :) |
| 19:27.03 | jhutchins_wk | Did jessie have apache 2.4? |
| 19:27.28 | LtL | jhutchins_wk: pretty sure it did yeah |
| 19:27.53 | greycat | ,v apache2 |
| 19:27.54 | judd | Package: apache2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u13; jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u12; jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u12; stretch-security: 2.4.25-3+deb9u4; stretch: 2.4.25-3+deb9u6; buster: 2.4.37-1; sid: 2.4.37-1 |
| 19:28.00 | greycat | Yup. |
| 19:28.27 | jhutchins_wk | Thank you greycat. |
| 19:29.00 | Jemt | Have anyone experienced problems with the switch from MySQL to MariaDB when upgrading to Debian 9.x ? |
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| 19:29.51 | greycat | the two things I noticed are on https://wiki.debian.org/NewInStretch |
| 19:29.54 | Jemt | - Or any other common problems with LAMP configurations |
| 19:30.00 | Jemt | Thanks |
| 19:30.07 | greycat | we occasionally see people asking questions about it in here, implying that they had some issues, but I don't know their details |
| 19:30.09 | jhutchins_wk | The only problems I've seen is with databases from 5.1 trying to migrate to 5.7 |
| 19:30.50 | jhutchins_wk | Actually they were pre-5.1 dbs. |
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| 19:31.06 | Jemt | Okay, sounds good |
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| 19:39.39 | amvodf | Anyone know the location of changing the terminal emmulator? |
| 19:39.45 | amvodf | the default one |
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| 19:40.18 | amvodf | I've tried looking online for some guide on this, and the .bashrc, and reading the README file for the terminal I want to switch to. |
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| 19:41.17 | greycat | The only thing that remotely qualifies as "the remote one" would be update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator |
| 19:41.25 | greycat | But your particular WM or DE may not use that mechanism. |
| 19:41.37 | greycat | err, "the default one" |
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| 19:49.40 | yokowka | heavenO, everysoul!! how to clear system from garbage and viruses?? |
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| 19:50.01 | greycat | reinstall |
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| 19:50.18 | petn-randall | waves at yokowka. |
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| 19:51.32 | yokowka | petn-randall, waves?? |
| 19:51.49 | petn-randall | yes, I waved with my hand to greet you. |
| 19:51.50 | jhutchins_wk | amcorreia: If you mean the one in a desktop environment, just call a different one. |
| 19:54.38 | jhutchins_wk | amvodf: You can just call a different emulator, or your environment might have a "Preferred Applications" setting like XFCE does. |
| 19:55.39 | amvodf | jhutchins_wk, Oh thanks. |
| 19:55.51 | amvodf | I tried greycat 's suggestion and it works |
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| 19:59.17 | deadrom | can one read the harddisk of say the HP gen7 microserver onboard RAID controller from linux? the server's board died, raid1. I think pseudo-raid, not sure. |
| 19:59.21 | jhutchins_wk | As usual in Linux, more than one way to do it. |
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| 19:59.57 | jhutchins_wk | deadrom: That would be a question for HP. |
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| 20:00.31 | joepublic | There is a saying "don't throw out the baby with the bathwater." Meaning don't throw away what's valuable along with what's worthless. However, in the case of your operating system and software, You have *another* baby on the install media/repositories so it's no problem. Plenty of babies. |
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| 20:12.41 | rant | I am having some serious technical differences with this Stretch/MATE box here.. currently I've managed to open firefox and open a print dialog but nothing can be clicked on but the stuff inside the print dialog.. the cancel/print buttons, close button, MATE panel, everything else in the whole GUI is not working except I can change tabs in this print dialog and interact with widgets in it |
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| 20:13.31 | rant | prior to this, I had to start firefox from the apps menu because the launcher on the panel and all other panel applets weren't working just the apps menu.. desktop wasnt responsive, nothing. its like only certain parts of the UI are working at a time |
| 20:13.57 | rant | yet from SSH nothing seems to be wrong.. there is no resource starvation nothing that I can see |
| 20:14.16 | Hackwar | hi folks, I'm working with an rpi3+ here and have raspbian stretch lite installed. I'm then running ansible to setup an OpenSlides server. The rpi is supposed to be connected to a projector and display a website, thus I install an x-server and midori, but when I reboot then, it hangs on either "Starting Terminate Plymouth Boot Screen". or "Starting Hold until boot process finishes up" Anybody got an idea? |
| 20:14.19 | rant | I even just switched the hdd to completely different hardware |
| 20:14.35 | rant | to rule out that it was anything wrong with the computer itself |
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| 20:15.59 | rant | even as I press the power button, a shutdown dialog comes up but I can't click on or move it |
| 20:16.18 | rant | its clicking THROUGH it to the print dialog underneath |
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| 20:17.15 | rant | Hackwar: go to #raspian we do not support it here |
| 20:18.11 | amvodf | The .dsc of a source package doesn't have to be necessarily be signed by the maintainer? |
| 20:18.38 | amvodf | I've been checking https://packages.debian.org/source/stretch/stterm |
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| 20:19.41 | amvodf | It was mainted by paride, by signed by Adam Borrowski |
| 20:19.53 | amvodf | but signed by Adam Borrowski |
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| 20:21.53 | GNU\colossus | woah |
| 20:22.03 | GNU\colossus | base-files got upgraded here just this moment |
| 20:22.10 | GNU\colossus | is 9.7 going to happen this weekend? |
| 20:22.15 | GNU\colossus | ot this week, even? |
| 20:22.17 | GNU\colossus | or* |
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| 20:23.04 | greycat | looks like it |
| 20:23.37 | GNU\colossus | then I'll re-schedule a number of reboots, I guess :) |
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| 20:25.09 | Hackwar | rant: ok. It is a bit quiet there, going to see if I can solve this on my own. |
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| 21:26.16 | amvodf | In .deb files they typically contain 2-3 files like .dsc files, and .tar.gz , and orig.tar.xz f? |
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| 21:26.39 | greycat | you are mixing up .deb and Debian sources |
| 21:27.04 | greycat | a .deb is a Debian binary package, and will not contain the .dsc or -orig.tar.gz |
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| 21:31.40 | acidtripper | hehe, just release 9.7 seems they took apt bug seriously |
| 21:32.02 | acidtripper | and im in agreement |
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| 21:34.07 | amvodf | I am trying to configure my stterm. I did apt-get install stterm, and I received the binary, but no configurations. Because of that I decided to go to debian sources, in hopes of getting the configuration file config.h , and I saved all three files from https://packages.debian.org/source/stretch/stterm. |
| 21:34.31 | amvodf | I then did the typical make and make install. |
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| 21:35.38 | amvodf | All good, I have the config.h file. Then I set x-terminal-emulator to stterm. |
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| 21:37.03 | amvodf | But whenever I try to editing my config.h file in ~/buil/stterm-0.8.1 and save, close terminal, restart terminal, the configurations I did in the config.h doesn't show in the terminal. |
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| 21:39.24 | amvodf | greycat, is putting those debian sources file in my home directory bad practice? |
| 21:39.28 | amvodf | files |
| 21:39.36 | greycat | you can put whatever you want in your home directory |
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| 21:41.39 | jhutchins_wk | amvodf: What user does stterm run as? Does that user have permissions to read the config file? |
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| 21:42.00 | jhutchins_wk | amvodf: Have you looked at the docs in /usr/share/doc/stterm*? |
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| 21:51.53 | mutante | if i edit files in /etc/apt/preferences.d/ and then run 'apt-cache policy" and i see the "Pinned packages" section at the bottom of it.. a) why do i see 2 random packages i pinned but not the others? b) what actually updates the info.. apt-get update , right? |
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| 21:52.56 | mutante | i dropped a file, ran apt-get update.. look at policy and expect it to show up.. does not.. instead the 2 existing ones are now shown twice.. ehm |
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| 21:57.21 | Plasmoduck | Nick Plasmaduck |
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| 22:04.23 | amvodf | jhutchins_wk, my user account has read and write privileges over the config.h file. I also checked that file in /docs before and there is a README file which has 34 lines. I don't know if it will help in trying to make my stterm configuration work. |
| 22:04.27 | amvodf | https://pastebin.com/TccJ9Jyu |
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| 22:15.32 | amvodf | Today I learned: Suckless programs usually don't have config files >.< |
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| 22:24.47 | jhutchins_wk | amvodf: Like any documentation, the files in /usr/share/doc vary a lot. Sometimes you'll see just a blank template with no information at all. Sometimes, MySQL for instance, there's essential information about the root and admin account passwords. |
| 22:25.22 | Tarrasquero | friends update topic â 9.7 |
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| 22:31.42 | EdePopede | does this affect only apt or also other apt-* tools? namely apt-get |
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| 22:32.16 | karlpinc | amvodf: /usr/share/doc/<packagename/README.Debian.* is always worth looking at. |
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| 22:32.50 | EdePopede | ok, apt-get is part of the package |
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| 22:35.38 | karlpinc | That was pretty nice. All it took to upgrade from 9.6 to 9.7 was base-files. |
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| 22:43.19 | jhutchins_wk | EdePopede: Fromm what I've heard it's only apt that's affected. Should be fixed now though. |
| 22:44.32 | EdePopede | ah thanks. i used apt only once and then it didn't keep the deb in the cache :( |
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| 22:48.35 | violentE | I'm able to connect (stay connected) to my VPN when connected via cli but if I conect with the network-manager then it connects, then stops shortly after. I haven't created any new config files, but I can't figure out how to resolve this |
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| 22:58.26 | lispmacs | is the 9.7.0 amd64 netinst iso available somewhere? I'm only seeing the 9.6 one |
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| 23:00.48 | rant | lispmacs: yes, its available.. in the future.. heh |
| 23:01.36 | rant | !stretch |
| 23:01.36 | dpkg | Stretch is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17. "Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch . Ask me about <install stretch>, <release notes>, <jessie->stretch>. |
| 23:01.47 | rant | !9.6 |
| 23:01.47 | dpkg | Debian 9.6 was released on Nov 10, 2018. This point release corrects some serious bugs and copies security updates across to the main archive. Further details are at https://www.debian.org/News/2018/20181110 and http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/ChangeLog . To upgrade, ask me about <point release>. |
| 23:02.06 | lispmacs | rant: I got the email this morning from release team saying 9.7 is released |
| 23:02.07 | whislock | https://www.debian.org/News/2019/20190123 |
| 23:02.16 | whislock | "New installation images will be available soon at the regular locations." |
| 23:02.20 | rant | ah.. that news apparently hasnt reached us yet |
| 23:02.40 | whislock | rant: I wasn't aware your Internet was delivered by U-Haul. |
| 23:02.45 | rant | heh |
| 23:03.13 | whislock | lispmacs: Images likely haven't made it to the mirrors yet. |
| 23:03.20 | rant | lispmacs: you are aware of the fact there will be little to no difference in use of a 9.6 and a 9.7 netinst.. if even any of the packages it contains have actually been updated |
| 23:03.41 | rant | considering you're going to use it to netinst and the latest packages can be fetched with any installer |
| 23:03.41 | lispmacs | rant: I don't want 9.6 because of that apt vulnerability |
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| 23:03.50 | jmcnaught | i would wait for the 9.7 image for a new install so that you don't have the apt vulnerability |
| 23:03.51 | rant | ah I see |
| 23:04.16 | lispmacs | is there a root mirror or somethign that has the 9.7 image yet? |
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| 23:06.08 | murii | https://imgur.com/a/5TqaGXx |
| 23:06.23 | murii | can someone help me figuring out a solution for this? |
| 23:06.29 | murii | happens to other 3D games as well |
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| 23:07.50 | amvodf | How do I tell my x-terminal-emulator that my stterm terminal program in my home folder in a terminal emulator? I've traid doing a symbolic link to my home folder in my /usr/bin/ folder , but stterm doesn't show up when I do "update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator" |
| 23:10.30 | rant | murii: I dont see anything that needs fixing |
| 23:11.18 | rant | unless you expect me to know what that game is, and that the car isnt suppose to be black |
| 23:11.36 | rant | in which case you're expecting way too much |
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| 23:16.55 | *** topic/#debian by themill -> Debian Stretch: /msg dpkg stretch ; /msg dpkg 9.7 ; /msg dpkg jessie->stretch ; /msg dpkg install stretch | Oldstable: Debian Jessie /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg 8.11 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing, unstable: #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog |
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| 23:17.04 | themill | td: s/9.6/9.7/ |
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| 23:18.14 | jmcnaught | amvodf: for most desktop environments you can put a new .desktop file in ~/.local/share/applications (for a single user) or /usr/local/share/applications (for all users). https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/desktop_entries |
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| 23:19.11 | jmcnaught | amvodf: you definitely don't want to be creating symlinks in /usr or modifying it in anyway. The /usr hierarchy is reserved for files from packages, use the /usr/local hierarchy for stuff you compile locally |
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| 23:19.53 | violentE | thats a correction, I don't actually make the connection, that is the network-manager says its connected to the vpn but I can't make a network call. Also this is so for multiple vpn providers and connections |
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| 23:42.20 | bittin | Is there any new ISO files for 9.7 ? |
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| 23:44.29 | EdePopede | https://www.debian.org/News/2019/20190123 says "soon" |
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| 23:46.19 | bittin | EdePopede: okay thanks for the info |
| 23:47.21 | EdePopede | bittin: 2 packages only affected, it seems |
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| 23:48.39 | Tarrasquero | only base-files? |
| 23:51.37 | EdePopede | and apt as i read the ChangeLog |
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| 23:54.24 | bittin | EdePopede: yep only security fixes for apt and some small bugfixes |
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| 23:55.35 | amvodf | is it okay to edit some files the /etc/ hierarchy ? |
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| 23:59.43 | amvodf | because I forced x-terminal-emulator in my /etc/alternatives to point to /home/user/stterm/st program |
| 23:59.52 | amvodf | Seems to work |
