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| 00:04.19 | nkuttler | JonMichael85: which package? |
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| 00:14.25 | JonMichael85 | sorry I have a very poor connection |
| 00:15.12 | JonMichael85 | I'm attempting to get dwarf-fortress, I'm currently on a pixelbook so I'm not sure what extra packages I'd need, which is why I figured just using apt-get would be the easiest way, but I'm also not sure I want to take my entire system into testing |
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| 00:16.29 | awal1 | check 'backports' |
| 00:16.41 | awal1 | dpkg: backport |
| 00:16.42 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 00:17.04 | awal1 | dpkg: debian-backports |
| 00:17.04 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <stretch backports>) and oldstable (<jessie backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
| 00:17.34 | awal1 | JonMichael85, first check if in ^ |
| 00:18.21 | JonMichael85 | ah gotcha, thanks @awal1 |
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| 00:21.59 | JonMichael85 | awal1 it doesn't appear to be in stretch-backports |
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| 00:31.15 | JonMichael85 | awal1 so if it's not in there, is there another way to go about bringing in those packages? |
| 00:31.44 | JonMichael85 | via apt-get commands anyways? my goal is to have the application to automatically check for updates also |
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| 00:38.31 | awal1 | JonMichael85, not recommended and i am not used to mix branches, so i can't really help you much about all that, but basically just add the corresponding testing repository (ies) and run apt-get update && apt-get -t testing install yourpakg |
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| 00:38.39 | awal1 | dpkg: frankendebian |
| 00:38.39 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
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| 00:39.19 | JonMichael85 | awal1 actually, my error was "The value 'stretch-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources" even though I followed" even though I followed https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 00:39.46 | JonMichael85 | I googled it, and everyone just referred back to the instructions page, but I followed those instructions |
| 00:40.25 | awal1 | bro, i am really clueless about installing software from other branches, i never do, so wait maybe other folks will inform you better |
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| 00:41.54 | JonMichael85 | no problem awal1, thank you for your help |
| 00:41.59 | joepublic | there is a pretty standard set of instructions for backporting a package yourself |
| 00:42.13 | joepublic | not that I have any idea what it is, mind you, just that I know that such a thing exists. |
| 00:42.25 | JonMichael85 | haha, I'll try googling that joepublic |
| 00:42.36 | JonMichael85 | thanks guys for pointing me on the right track |
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| 01:35.16 | n4dir | ##linux is a 24/7 show. in case you are bored |
| 01:37.40 | Old_Dog | thanks, n4dir I'll check it out. |
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| 02:12.26 | awal1 | anyone have worked out a an openbox action to displace mouse (pointer) between displays (monitors) ? |
| 02:12.44 | awal1 | anyone have worked out a an openbox action to displace mouse (pointer) between displays (monitors) via keyboard a shortcut? |
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| 02:20.40 | rant | displace it between monitors? |
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| 02:21.02 | rant | maybe look into xdotool and wmctrl but idk what you mean |
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| 02:24.42 | Deihmos | what is the difference selecting debian desktop enviroment and gnome when installing? |
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| 02:29.54 | awal1 | rant, if i have the mouse pointer in monitor 1 , I want to move it to monitor 2 via keyboard, no using mouse. ( i am using <focusNew>yes</focusNew>, <followMouse>yes</followMouse>) |
| 02:29.58 | toruvinn | Deihmos, just guessing here, but it's just a different WM. the "debian desktop" goes with some default id have to google. is it KDE? if KDE is not in the list, then it's probably kde |
| 02:31.10 | toruvinn | i never pick naything there, cause it tends to install 1024GB of stuff i dont need, i add fluxbox later. |
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| 02:31.44 | TheSledgehammer | I AM THE SLEDGEHAMMER |
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| 02:31.58 | TheSledgehammer | BANG! SMASH! BANG! |
| 02:32.29 | TheSledgehammer | I REFUSE TO PAY PROTECTION MONEY TO THE MAFIA. I NEED NEW UNDERWEAR FOR MY GIANT NUTSACK |
| 02:33.29 | awal1 | !ops TheSledgehammer spamming |
| 02:33.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: awal1 complains about a problem (see above) |
| 02:34.16 | TheSledgehammer | awall this is nit spam |
| 02:34.24 | TheSledgehammer | it legit truth |
| 02:34.32 | TheSledgehammer | i am the sledgehammer |
| 02:34.44 | TheSledgehammer | and the jews are after me for money |
| 02:37.07 | rant | awal1: xdotool can control the mouse I used it with zenity to create a custom page scroller for my father |
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| 02:38.06 | rant | Deihmos: you can't select desktop environment you have to pick one of the 7, gnome is just the default if you dont change it |
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| 02:39.15 | awal1 | rnat, ok, thanks. I will look what I can do with 'xdotool |
| 02:39.23 | awal1 | rant |
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| 02:39.54 | awal1 | "debian desktop" are maybe just a scripts for install the choosen desktop? |
| 02:40.14 | rant | awal1: xdotool mousemove 0 0 will move the cursor to 0,0 pixels |
| 02:40.19 | usney2 | I am trying to setup wifi via commandline and my old script that I used last time to set it up isn't working anymore. |
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| 02:41.04 | awal1 | rant, you say if you just select 'debian desktop' gnome is chosen by default since it is "the default>"? |
| 02:41.26 | awal1 | well, maybe. i dont really know, i always install minimal |
| 02:41.27 | usney2 | trying to use this guide |
| 02:41.28 | usney2 | https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line |
| 02:41.49 | rant | ,depends task-desktop |
| 02:41.50 | judd | Package task-desktop in stretch/amd64 -- depends: tasksel (= 3.39), xorg, xserver-xorg-video-all, xserver-xorg-input-all, desktop-base. |
| 02:41.56 | rant | ,recommends task-desktop |
| 02:41.57 | judd | Package task-desktop in stretch/amd64 -- recommends: task-gnome-desktop | task-xfce-desktop | task-kde-desktop | task-lxde-desktop | task-cinnamon-desktop | task-mate-desktop | task-lxqt-desktop, xdg-utils, avahi-daemon, libnss-mdns, anacron, eject, iw, alsa-utils. |
| 02:42.36 | rant | by default debian-installer will also select task-gnome-desktop in tasksel but if you dont choose one all you get is desktop-base and xorg |
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| 02:43.54 | rant | usney2: you need to possibly upload your script to paste.debian.org, and tell us specifically what happens when you run it |
| 02:44.12 | usney2 | okay |
| 02:44.13 | rant | otherwise you've not told us anything we can help with so far |
| 02:44.30 | usney2 | okay |
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| 02:46.58 | usney2 | nevermind rant |
| 02:47.03 | usney2 | I fixed my problem |
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| 02:47.35 | usney2 | I used a broken old script first by accident and i restarted my computer and ran the good one now all is good |
| 02:48.22 | usney2 | it wasn't a bad script just an old interface name that my wifi isn't called by anymore |
| 02:49.34 | usney2 | Hi rant |
| 02:50.35 | usney2 | I got a question is there any admin tools you'd recommend to make a headless ssh server run easier for upgrades? |
| 02:50.52 | usney2 | like how do I solve the have to restart once in a while for updates? |
| 02:51.40 | rant | um.. don't restart? |
| 02:51.43 | usney2 | like maybe have the normal user without root privileges auto login once it restarts after the upgrade? |
| 02:51.49 | usney2 | like what about kernel updates? |
| 02:52.00 | rant | use kexec |
| 02:52.16 | usney2 | thank you so much rant |
| 02:52.30 | usney2 | debian kicks ass you guys do a great job |
| 02:52.56 | rant | we're just users like you, that hang out here and answer questions |
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| 02:54.28 | usney2 | my old laptop is renewed with a new purpose now. It is no longer usable as a GUI computer anymore too slow but as a command line computer it is user duper fast |
| 02:54.59 | Masterphi | how do I get the package rapidjson in jessie? |
| 02:55.08 | usney2 | I use it as a streaming/cloud ssh server |
| 02:55.11 | rant | yeah well I was just about to build a cluster out of 4 broken laptops myself |
| 02:55.27 | rant | ,v rapidjson |
| 02:55.28 | judd | No package named 'rapidjson' was found in amd64. |
| 02:55.41 | Deihmos | rant: there is an option for several but debian desktop environment is selected as default. below it has gnome and several others |
| 02:56.10 | Deihmos | it seems debian desktop environment and gnome are the same |
| 02:56.21 | rant | ,v rapidjson-dev |
| 02:56.22 | judd | Package: rapidjson-dev on amd64 -- stretch: 0.12~git20141031+dfsg-1; stretch-backports: 1.1.0+dfsg2-3~bpo9+1; sid: 1.1.0+dfsg2-4; buster: 1.1.0+dfsg2-5 |
| 02:56.43 | rant | ,depends rapidjson-dev |
| 02:56.44 | judd | Package rapidjson-dev in stretch/amd64 -- depends: . |
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| 02:59.14 | rant | Masterphi: download it manually and use dpkg -i to install it http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/r/rapidjson/rapidjson-dev_1.1.0+dfsg2-5_all.deb |
| 02:59.45 | rant | Masterphi: thats the buster version.. seems like the newest one on the repos |
| 03:00.25 | Masterphi | neat, will try. thanks |
| 03:00.26 | rant | Masterphi: it has no dependencies and is merely a C library, so it will cause no conflicts |
| 03:01.24 | rant | Deihmos: if you were to unselect GNOME I'd imagine it'd only install task-desktop and you'd have nothing but an xorg and desktop-base |
| 03:01.54 | rant | Deihmos: its intended that you choose one or more of the task-<foo>-desktop packages listed below |
| 03:02.18 | Deihmos | you mean if i unselect debian desktop |
| 03:02.31 | rant | I mean if you unselect gnome |
| 03:02.35 | rant | which is what I said |
| 03:02.47 | Deihmos | debian desktop is what is selected |
| 03:03.07 | Deihmos | if i unselect that i chose gnome it is the same thing |
| 03:03.21 | Deihmos | just find it weird that they have 2 of the same as an option |
| 03:03.34 | rant | ,depends task-gnome-desktop |
| 03:03.36 | judd | Package task-gnome-desktop in stretch/amd64 -- depends: tasksel (= 3.39), task-desktop, gnome-core. |
| 03:04.00 | rant | Deihmos: its not the same thing the desktop is task-desktop which task-gnome-desktop depends on |
| 03:04.13 | rant | Deihmos: if you unselect gnome you get only task-desktop |
| 03:04.29 | rant | I've said this at least 3 times now |
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| 03:05.10 | rant | If you're interested I have made a list of each task-<foo>-desktop with their installed size (amd64) and ram usage |
| 03:05.14 | rant | !de usage |
| 03:05.14 | dpkg | [de usage] The HDD/RAM usages of the 7 Stretch DE on amd64 VirtualBoxes with 1GB RAM / 32GB HDD are as follows as reported with only their terminals running df -Th and free -h: GNOME 4.2G 726M, KDE 4.1G 604M, Cinnamon 3.7G 482M, MATE 3.1G 215M, LXQt 3.1G 184M, LXDE 3.0G 180M, XFCE 2.9G 226M |
| 03:05.16 | Deihmos | i have no idea what you are talking about. all i said is that debian desktop which is one of the options and gnome are both the same |
| 03:05.26 | rant | NO THEY ARE NOT THE SAME |
| 03:05.35 | rant | listen again for the last time now.. |
| 03:05.36 | Deihmos | i just installed both in vm |
| 03:05.40 | Deihmos | exactly the same thing |
| 03:05.48 | rant | the first option is selecting task-desktop |
| 03:06.01 | rant | ,depends task-desktop |
| 03:06.02 | judd | Package task-desktop in stretch/amd64 -- depends: tasksel (= 3.39), xorg, xserver-xorg-video-all, xserver-xorg-input-all, desktop-base. |
| 03:06.06 | Deihmos | i unselected debian desktop and selected gnome |
| 03:06.16 | Deihmos | other install i left it with debian desktop |
| 03:06.19 | Deihmos | exactly the same |
| 03:06.43 | rant | I heard and FULLY understand what you are saying, you are not hearing or at all understanding what I'm saying so shut up and listen or just shut up |
| 03:07.08 | rant | the REASON gnome does same regardless is because task-gnome-desktop DEPENDS on task-desktop |
| 03:07.21 | rant | therefore while you can uncheck a damn box, you are not actually unselecting it |
| 03:07.35 | rant | because task-gnome-desktop selects it anyhow |
| 03:07.51 | rant | however if you uncheck GNOME, it will only install task-desktop and NOT task-gnome-desktop |
| 03:08.01 | rant | therefore they are not the SAME |
| 03:08.08 | rant | one just depends on the other |
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| 03:08.57 | usney2 | rant how can I test which wifi interface is faster? my usb doggie or the internal one that works only with proprietary software |
| 03:09.16 | rant | therefore the Desktop option is there for people who want something OTHER than the 7 DE listed below |
| 03:09.50 | rant | it will install xorg and desktop-base and allow them to later install say openbox,fluxbox,i3,blackbox,sawfish, etc whatever they want |
| 03:10.46 | rant | usney2: I doubt it makes any difference, but google can perform an internet speed test if you goto google and ask it to |
| 03:11.01 | rant | you will get different results on subsequent runs regardless |
| 03:11.41 | rant | usney2: the usb one could however be slowed by or cause slowing of other things on the USB bus as its shared bandwidth |
| 03:12.01 | rant | particularly if hubs are involved |
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| 03:14.07 | Deihmos | so basically debian desktop is gnome msource code used by debian? |
| 03:14.23 | rant | no |
| 03:14.56 | rant | this program you're using in the installer is something called tasksel, its a very generic package manager that installs various metapackages whose names begin with task- |
| 03:15.35 | rant | Deihmos: you can see them in detail with apt show task-* |
| 03:16.10 | rant | there is no such thing as "Debian desktop" there is a task-desktop which installs xorg and desktop-base |
| 03:16.39 | rant | whatever tasksel calls that is just a generic name made by the tasksel developers |
| 03:16.58 | rant | GNOME is not GNOME, its task-gnome-desktop |
| 03:17.11 | rant | which in turn installs the following |
| 03:17.17 | rant | ,depends task-gnome-desktop |
| 03:17.18 | judd | Package task-gnome-desktop in stretch/amd64 -- depends: tasksel (= 3.39), task-desktop, gnome-core. |
| 03:17.35 | rant | ,i gnome-core |
| 03:17.36 | judd | Package gnome-core (metapackages, optional) in stretch/amd64: GNOME Desktop Environment -- essential components. Version: 1:3.22+3; Size: 24.2k; Installed: 32k; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/gnome-core |
| 03:18.38 | rant | source code has nothing to do with any of this |
| 03:18.58 | rant | these are metapackages that depend on binary software |
| 03:19.17 | Deihmos | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/445829/debian-desktop-environment-in-installer |
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| 03:19.41 | Deihmos | i think that sums it up. gnome is installed and some other stuff if you select debian desktop |
| 03:20.26 | rant | @.@ |
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| 03:23.29 | usney2 | rant how do I setup kexec? |
| 03:23.42 | rant | !kexec |
| 03:23.42 | dpkg | kexec allows the system to load a kernel from a running kernel and boot into it, skipping the BIOS and bootloader stage of a reboot. To disable, «dpkg-reconfigure kexec-tools» or uninstall with «apt-get remove kexec-tools». To skip using kexec once: «/sbin/coldreboot». kexec is not enabled by default since kexec-tools 1:2.0.3-2. |
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| 03:24.34 | usney2 | how do I enable kexec? |
| 03:25.03 | cheapie | usney2: dpkg-reconfigure kexec-tools |
| 03:25.06 | usney2 | I installed it and it asked if I want it to handle reboots I said yes so shouldn't it be setup? |
| 03:25.12 | usney2 | thanks cheapie |
| 03:25.12 | cheapie | Should be then, yes. |
| 03:25.14 | usney2 | haha |
| 03:25.30 | usney2 | I remember once I said I am a cheapie than you made a joke |
| 03:26.02 | usney2 | you are a very active user |
| 03:26.06 | usney2 | that was some time ago |
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| 03:30.19 | rant | dpkg, kexec ~= s/disable/enable or disable/ |
| 03:30.20 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, rant |
| 03:30.25 | rant | dpkg, kexec =~ s/disable/enable or disable/ |
| 03:30.25 | dpkg | OK, rant |
| 03:34.22 | usney2 | hi rant |
| 03:35.00 | usney2 | is there a tool to figure out which is the fastest debian repo and to use that by default via the command line? |
| 03:35.38 | usney2 | debian repo mirror |
| 03:35.53 | usney2 | the one I selected a while back is running really slow |
| 03:36.13 | rant | usney2: use deb.debian.org |
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| 03:37.18 | themill | usney2: reliable is much more important than fast |
| 03:37.55 | rant | dpkg, kexec =~ s:-2.:-2 (Debian 7 Wheezy).: |
| 03:37.55 | dpkg | wish i knew, rant |
| 03:38.09 | rant | dpkg, kexec =~ s/-2./-2 (Debian 7 Wheezy)./ |
| 03:38.09 | dpkg | OK, rant |
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| 03:39.34 | rant | dpkg, what is deb.debian.org? |
| 03:39.35 | dpkg | deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is backed by international content delivery networks and for most users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the <sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs. See http://deb.debian.org/ for more details. |
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| 03:46.06 | usney2 | how do I setup deb.debian.org in the sources.lst file? |
| 03:46.12 | usney2 | haven't done that in awhile |
| 03:46.20 | usney2 | but I guess once I look at it I can figure it out |
| 03:46.39 | awal1 | !sources.list |
| 03:46.40 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 03:47.16 | usney2 | how do I know which version of debian I am using? |
| 03:47.44 | awal1 | https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList?action=show&redirect=sources.list |
| 03:47.44 | sc_ | cat /etc/issue |
| 03:48.04 | awal1 | lsb_release -a |
| 03:48.09 | usney2 | rant I noticed once I changed my network to use the usb free software doggie now the upgrade is working much much faster |
| 03:48.18 | usney2 | I guess the card is really old |
| 03:48.37 | usney2 | the internal one |
| 03:48.50 | usney2 | at least the old laptop uses usb2 instead of 1 |
| 03:48.53 | JackFrost | Isn't deb822 format more fun? |
| 03:49.08 | usney2 | what is deb822? |
| 03:49.41 | usney2 | !dpkg deb822 |
| 03:49.56 | usney2 | !deb822 |
| 03:50.06 | usney2 | :( |
| 03:51.14 | JackFrost | `man sources.list` has a section 'DEB822-STYLE FORMAT', but that's just a different style to have for your sources list. |
| 03:51.48 | JackFrost | http://paste.openstack.org/show/745202/ is an example from /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.sources |
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| 03:53.02 | usney2 | how do I setup sshd to auto start after a reboot? |
| 03:53.47 | themill | no setup is required |
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| 03:59.22 | awal1 | usney2 , run cat /etc/apt/sources.list and paste on paste.debian.org |
| 04:01.17 | usney2 | awal1 I am running a command line only system on that debian computer |
| 04:01.28 | usney2 | so I'll have to cat to a file |
| 04:01.39 | usney2 | then copy from ssh |
| 04:01.44 | awal1 | use pastebinit |
| 04:02.52 | usney2 | wish I had this remote stuff setup already |
| 04:03.01 | usney2 | I don't need any help awall |
| 04:03.29 | usney2 | I'll fix it tomorrow I need to be up at 5am tomorrow for work good night everyone! |
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| 04:33.18 | blackswan | i have written a program which is intended for use in pipelines. i have named it "maybe", but there is already a debian package by that name, so i want to come up with a new name for it. here is what it does: |
| 04:35.07 | blackswan | "maybe PROGRAM [ARGUMENTS...]" will wait for input to be available on its standard input, and if such input becomes available, will exec PROGRAM, passing it the provided ARGUMENTS |
| 04:35.14 | blackswan | otherwise, it will exit. |
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| 04:37.04 | blackswan | does anybody have any suggestions for a good name? |
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| 04:43.43 | rant | how is this different from xargs? |
| 04:44.56 | themill | rant: xargs turns stdin into positional arguments; this leaves it as stdin |
| 04:45.09 | klys | blackswan, `fill'. |
| 04:45.34 | blackswan | fill? why fill? |
| 04:45.52 | klys | becasue you wait for the input to fill in the blank |
| 04:45.54 | themill | Needs a nice pun on piping... |
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| 04:46.17 | blackswan | yes, i can't think of a piping pun though |
| 04:46.55 | themill | picking words is a pretty fraught choice though, see 'dune', 'node', ... |
| 04:47.01 | rant | it sounds like xargs -r -n0 to me |
| 04:47.16 | themill | rant: nope |
| 04:47.48 | rant | well then I dont see its utility :P |
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| 04:47.54 | blackswan | does xargs exec() the program? the whole point of this is for it to vanish if not needed. |
| 04:48.05 | rant | xargs -r doesn't |
| 04:48.10 | themill | blackswan: --no-run-if-empty |
| 04:48.18 | blackswan | and not waste time basically being 'cat' if it is. |
| 04:48.50 | blackswan | and look prettier in a script than redirecting to a temp file, checking to see if the file exists, and then running something |
| 04:48.57 | blackswan | er, is nonzero |
| 04:49.03 | blackswan | nonempty |
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| 04:49.52 | blackswan | themill: are you seriously suggesting i give the program a name that starts with two dashes? |
| 04:50.06 | themill | no, that's the xargs option rant is talking about |
| 04:50.10 | rant | its an option alias for -r with xargs |
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| 04:50.31 | rant | does the program this runs get the stdin from the pipe as its stdin? |
| 04:50.57 | klys | that's the way I thought he said |
| 04:50.59 | themill | (write it in C and add it to moreutils) |
| 04:51.32 | blackswan | yes |
| 04:52.14 | rant | ifin, runpipe, maygin.. |
| 04:52.34 | rant | could probably come up with more possible names |
| 04:52.55 | rant | maygin is a goofy spelling of a girls name, and could be short for may-get-input |
| 04:52.57 | rant | heh |
| 04:53.13 | blackswan | i wrote it because i have various cron jobs that check things and may or may not produce output; if there is output, i want to mail it, but only if there is output |
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| 04:54.45 | rant | just know if you use a term I coined I will surely tell everyone I came up with it :P Not concerned with credit per-se just proud of stupid terms I come up with like SNS Syndrome :P |
| 04:56.38 | blackswan | hm. mexec? |
| 04:56.56 | rant | personally I kinda like maygin.. close to your name, functional, and sounds like a girls name.. which there is history of people giving female names to their cars, guitars, etc |
| 04:56.57 | blackswan | mayb |
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| 04:57.49 | blackswan | maygin is the best of yours |
| 04:58.07 | rant | doesnt sound derivitive |
| 04:58.37 | blackswan | but i think i like just dropping the e better. |
| 04:58.52 | rant | it is a lil long for a simple program |
| 04:59.01 | blackswan | creat |
| 04:59.39 | blackswan | maybe i should just call it mab |
| 04:59.42 | rant | yeah, I wouldnt wanna be derivitive personally, it'd confuse me.. I tend to for my personal use make abbreviations though |
| 05:00.09 | blackswan | which would confuse you? |
| 05:00.25 | rant | if I had a program I used called maybe and another called mayb or something |
| 05:00.39 | rant | especially if they were not similar programs |
| 05:00.50 | rant | I'd forget which was which at times |
| 05:01.55 | rant | I knew a girl once called maygin and thought it was stupid way to spell megan cause it has gin not gan in it.. but sounded more appropriate here.. its just 6 chars which seems a bit much for something simple |
| 05:04.50 | rant | I'm personally ripping apart broken Thinkpad T61's to attempt to make a cluster with them.. got no clue what sort of software to use yet.. |
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| 05:05.31 | rant | nor do I know how I should mount the boards.. but seems silly to keep them in broken thinkpad cases |
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| 05:14.05 | rant | all I know right now is, I'm hoping to cluster 4 of them with debian probably running off 32GB thumbdrives or PXE booted ram drives..idk |
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| 05:16.13 | rant | the details just make my head hurt right now.. idk if the discrete nvidia quadro nvs 140m would be of any use or not.. |
| 05:16.30 | rant | wanna use em for ffmpeg encoding |
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| 05:16.56 | naribia | hello. I have a program (electrum - bitcoin wallet) installed on debian 9, GUI environment |
| 05:17.15 | naribia | if I type in the search, for electrum, the program shows up, and I can open it |
| 05:17.25 | naribia | however I also have compiled the program from source, a newer version |
| 05:17.50 | naribia | where is the version installed that shows up in the search? |
| 05:18.41 | rant | naribia: what search? |
| 05:18.51 | naribia | eh |
| 05:19.28 | naribia | like, app search, also using the keyboard windows key |
| 05:19.37 | rant | apt search? find? locate? gnome's app menu search? I could think of hundreds of possible "searches" in debian |
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| 05:20.05 | rant | if its desktop related, its probably operating on a .desktop file either global or in the homedir |
| 05:20.53 | rant | i.e. /usr/share/applications/ or ~/.local/share/applications |
| 05:22.02 | aaro | naribia: which electrum |
| 05:22.03 | naribia | ok I see it under /usr/share/applications/electrum.desktop |
| 05:22.08 | rant | once you find the desktop file you look at the exec= line if its not using a full path then its using the system $PATH and you figure that out with which electrum |
| 05:22.14 | naribia | which electrum did not have results |
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| 05:23.53 | rant | copying that file to ~/.local/share/ shoule override the system-wide one and you can change the exec= line |
| 05:24.11 | naribia | rant: copying the compiled version? |
| 05:24.15 | Gigglebyte | Anyone alive and BREATHING ??? |
| 05:24.15 | rant | erm ~/.local/share/applications |
| 05:25.10 | rant | naribia: the .desktop file from /usr/share/applications its not a binary, its a .desktop config file.. plain text |
| 05:25.17 | rant | it merely defines using the free desktop standard, how to setup launchers in GUI for the program |
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| 05:25.24 | Gigglebyte | I am having trouble installing linux and wondering if someone can figure out why a Dell, model P28F laptop can not detect a fully functioning Debian boot USB stick. The image of the bios is at http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=v3p17k&s=9#.XGecm5xglhE |
| 05:25.37 | rant | Gigglebyte: nope.. we're all dead and rotting |
| 05:25.46 | naribia | rant: right, so if I delete the .desktop file as well as the binary it points to via exec=, will that be the extent of the uninstall? |
| 05:26.16 | Gigglebyte | rant> Any idea why I can't install linux? The things in the bios indicate http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=v3p17k&s=9#.XGecm5xglhE |
| 05:26.21 | rant | naribia: uh no.. what are you trying to do.. uninstall the one you compiled from source? |
| 05:26.27 | Gigglebyte | The boot stick is good, and the install stick was created last summer. |
| 05:26.33 | naribia | rant: trying to uninstall the .desktop version |
| 05:26.48 | rant | naribia: which is the one you compiled from source? |
| 05:27.00 | naribia | rant: well now I am, I was also just curious how the desktop version was installed |
| 05:27.17 | rant | o.O |
| 05:27.39 | naribia | rant: the newer version I compiled from source, its not installed, just in a directory I compiled it in, and I'm not sure if both are referencing the same config folder, regardless I want to uninstall the .desktop version |
| 05:27.43 | rant | naribia: dpkg -l electrum |
| 05:28.11 | naribia | dpkg-query: no packages found matching electrum |
| 05:28.29 | rant | hmm.. |
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| 05:30.01 | rant | naribia: can you figure out what version it is at least? does it have a Help>About or a command line option like --help or --version ? |
| 05:30.35 | naribia | the actual version? yeah its 3.3.3 |
| 05:30.38 | rant | naribia: https://packages.debian.org/stretch-backports/all/electrum/filelist |
| 05:30.41 | naribia | compiled is the newer 3.3.4 |
| 05:31.20 | rant | none of the debian repos have a version 3.3.3 |
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| 05:31.27 | rant | ,v electrum |
| 05:31.28 | judd | Package: electrum on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 2.7.9-1~bpo8+1; stretch-backports: 3.1.3-1~bpo9+1; sid: 3.2.3-1 |
| 05:31.47 | rant | naribia: must have been compiled or installed by someone *shrug* |
| 05:32.49 | rant | naribia: according to pdo it only has a binary, desktop file, manpage, and in debian anyhow, some news/release/changelog/copyright files in /usr/share/doc/electrum |
| 05:33.12 | naribia | rant: pdo ? |
| 05:33.24 | rant | naribia: see the link I gave you above |
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| 05:33.40 | naribia | ok, so that shows supposedly all the files included int he install, I can just delete them manually? |
| 05:34.06 | rant | naribia: its what would be included in the debian packages.. who knows where you got it from or what it installed :P |
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| 05:34.16 | naribia | :/ |
| 05:34.31 | rant | naribia: if your package manager doesnt know about it, and you dont know where it came from, then sure. use that filelist as a guide and delete away :P |
| 05:34.38 | *** join/#debian kabo (~manager@115-188-142-1-vdsl.sparkbb.co.nz) |
| 05:34.40 | naribia | okay :) |
| 05:34.46 | naribia | alrighty well thanks then |
| 05:34.59 | naribia | by the way |
| 05:35.07 | naribia | why doesn't the package manager know about it? |