| 00:00.14 | blackflow | Klaus_Dieter: snaps are solving a practial problem. vendors not caring about linux because they don't wanna be bothered by flavor of the month or packaging system of the year, so with "flatsnaps" now they cna package stuff for linux without caring about those flabvors. |
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| 00:00.51 | blackflow | the existence of both flatpaks and snaps just confirms that the ecosystem is a mess |
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| 00:01.51 | agio | Klaus_Dieter: if you don't need a source package - yes, checkintall can create a binary package for you , just invoke it using : |
| 00:01.53 | agio | checkinstall --type debian --install=no --fstrans=yes --pkgname=php-self-compiled |
| 00:02.06 | agio | somethinig like that, anyway |
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| 00:11.34 | Klaus_Dieter | I am just reading the debian maintainer page - is there a way of getting my own software into sid without becoming a debian maintainer? |
| 00:15.06 | Klaus_Dieter | ah, I see. sorry for the noise. https://wiki.debian.org/SponsoredMaintainer |
| 00:15.27 | n4dir | i wouldn't hold my breath though. good luck |
| 00:15.37 | Klaus_Dieter | what do you mean? |
| 00:15.58 | Klaus_Dieter | what should I do to increase chances of the process happening? |
| 00:15.58 | n4dir | it can be a very long way, though it probably depends. |
| 00:16.17 | n4dir | there is an irc channel, perhaps #mentors? i could check on wiki.debian.org IRC site |
| 00:16.20 | joepublic | if you hold your breath, the length of time it takes to work out might be longer than your oxygen would last. It's often best to keep breathing the whole time |
| 00:16.43 | n4dir | you could try to get in contact with a sub-project (perl, python, etc), perhaps there is some interest. |
| 00:17.03 | n4dir | makes sense? |
| 00:17.45 | Klaus_Dieter | hm. ok. better get started early with a shitty software and package that to learn what it takes to build a good debian package instead of working on the software until it is perfect and then get frustrated for not being able to package it? |
| 00:17.57 | Klaus_Dieter | n4dir: my goal is to get my own software packaged. |
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| 00:18.30 | Klaus_Dieter | yes, debian is great and I want to make it better - by allowing it to ship the software I wrote :-D |
| 00:18.56 | klys | you keep hyping this software...? |
| 00:19.17 | n4dir | not too sure, but i think you will get help with the packaging process, so i would rather focus on the software itself. |
| 00:20.57 | Klaus_Dieter | klys: essentially a re-implementation of snapcast that does not suffer some of the flaws of the original (but may suffer others I guess) |
| 00:21.11 | Klaus_Dieter | klys: synchronous audio playback on multiple machines over wifi |
| 00:21.37 | klys | klaus_dieter, is it compatible with anything? |
| 00:22.48 | Klaus_Dieter | there is a client and server component that speak their own protocol and you can hook it into fhem / openhab to control it. music is played with mopidy / mpd so it can be controlled by any mpd frontend |
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| 00:24.20 | Klaus_Dieter | klys: it could be made to be compatible with LMS but until now nobody has brought that up :) |
| 00:24.31 | klys | klaus_dieter, I think you might want to upstream your project (git), release a tarball, and mirror it at an unofficial apt repository (your web server). |
| 00:25.27 | Klaus_Dieter | klys: it already is in git - atm I do not have an appropriate web server - not sure if github pages can be used for that though. |
| 00:26.03 | Klaus_Dieter | but yeah that might be the easy route, I am going already for some other packages |
| 00:26.58 | de-facto | So it seems i can crosscompile with "crossbuild-essential-armhf" like this: "CC=arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc LD=arm-linux-gnueabihf-ld STRIP=arm-linux-gnueabihf-strip make": is there an automated way to set all those values? |
| 00:27.42 | de-facto | e.g. set my ENV up for armhf... |
| 00:28.05 | Klaus_Dieter | de-facto: if this is for repeated packaging I recommend a build server like jenkins. |
| 00:28.17 | de-facto | thats what i am doing |
| 00:29.00 | klys | echo "export CC=..." > armhf-envs.sh; . armhf-envs.sh; make |
| 00:29.25 | Klaus_Dieter | I use that for some projects as well ^ just place it in an environment file |
| 00:29.28 | de-facto | well yeah hehe i mean is there a predefined ENV somewhere for this |
| 00:30.00 | Klaus_Dieter | CC, LD and STRIP |
| 00:30.06 | de-facto | dpkg-buildpackage takes it from somewhere i guess, but i also want to use plain make |
| 00:30.52 | de-facto | basically i just want to set the ARCH=armhf and have everything else derived from a predefined pattern |
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| 00:31.12 | de-facto | e.g. just change ARCH=i386 and be done |
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| 00:32.23 | Klaus_Dieter | you could put a function in your bashrc that sets the variables based on the content of ARCH |
| 00:33.01 | de-facto | yes its a build image, i can write everything in there, my question is if its already defined somewhere |
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| 00:50.12 | de-facto | dpkg-cross maybe? |
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| 01:59.35 | thecolorjay | Hey, I'm having an issue with apt-transport-tor on Ubuntu and on Debian. I can't get it to work and I keep getting the same output in my terminal. |
| 02:00.06 | zeropoint | Have you tried not using tor for something as basic as apt repos? |
| 02:00.32 | thecolorjay | They provide onion repositories for a reason buddy, that's not how you help people. |
| 02:01.23 | zeropoint | How I help people is by not assuming their chosen approach is correct. See also "XY problem." |
| 02:01.32 | zeropoint | Good luck! |
| 02:03.19 | zeropoint | thecolorjay: Oh, you might also try not crossposting your problem to multiple channels. |
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| 02:04.07 | joepublic | zeropoint, he seems better at helping than you are; let him do it. He's an expert. |
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| 02:17.22 | zeropoint | Still waiting for that expert guidance. |
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| 02:23.26 | oiaohm | zeropoint: https://salsa.debian.org/apt-team/apt-transport-tor you are configuring it right. |
| 02:23.39 | oiaohm | zeropoint: most of the time you use the tor it fall back to either the http or https. |
| 02:24.01 | oiaohm | zeropoint: basically apt-transport-tor is mostly pointless. |
| 02:24.09 | zeropoint | I know. I'm not using it because its pointless. |
| 02:24.35 | oiaohm | In a network I find apt cache solutions better. |
| 02:24.52 | zeropoint | oiaohm: My statement about "waiting for expert guidance" was sarcastic. |
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| 02:34.09 | altker128 | apt-cacher-ng is great. Why mess with tor for apt packages? |
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| 03:01.04 | N3X15 | Had to reinstall a dedi due to a hard-drive failure. Datacenter installed wheezy, then I accidentally copied over /etc/apt from backup and ran apt-get update. After realizing my mistake, I reverted /etc/apt and then upgraded wheezy -> jessie -> stretch successfully. Now I am getting an issue where apt-get update is stuck on 0% [Working]. Any ideas? |
| 03:02.10 | N3X15 | I've run apt-get clean, cleared out partial lists. Not sure what else to do. |
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| 03:04.29 | dvs | N3X15, apt-cache clean? |
| 03:09.11 | N3X15 | dvs: E: Invalid operation clean |
| 03:10.12 | dvs | apt-get clean |
| 03:10.16 | dvs | oopd |
| 03:10.51 | N3X15 | Yeah, I already ran that |
| 03:10.55 | N3X15 | Same deal |
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| 03:16.28 | awal1 | N3X15, what do you have in sources.list? |
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| 03:18.41 | N3X15 | awal1, https://hastebin.com/olapunivis.txt |
| 03:22.09 | awal1 | not related to your issue but you may want to add contrib and non-free components to your security repo too, since you have them in the main one |
| 03:22.28 | N3X15 | I'll try that. |
| 03:22.32 | awal1 | deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 03:23.00 | awal1 | thta is not for solve your apt stuck, just a logical suggestion:P |
| 03:23.26 | awal1 | have you tried to restart your networking ? |
| 03:23.50 | N3X15 | Why would networking affect apt in this way? |
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| 03:24.33 | awal1 | do you have internet access after all? |
| 03:24.51 | N3X15 | Yes, it is a dedicated server I am SSHing into |
| 03:24.59 | awal1 | ok |
| 03:25.23 | N3X15 | I am really loathe to restart networking, though, as I do not have KVM or IPMI on it |
| 03:25.48 | joepublic | ssh can usually* survive a networkint restart (Note key word "usually") |
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| 03:25.56 | N3X15 | Or rather, it has it but it doesn't work because some idiot at the datacenter has it on a 10.x IP |
| 03:26.26 | zeropoint | As opposed to exposing IPMI to the internet? |
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| 03:26.48 | N3X15 | I get directed to the private 10.x.x.x IP when I click on the KVM link. |
| 03:26.57 | N3X15 | There's no proxy or VPN. |
| 03:27.04 | joepublic | yeah i bet the routing for that doesn't work out, huh |
| 03:27.08 | zeropoint | Oops. |
| 03:27.13 | zeropoint | 188089 |
| 03:27.15 | awal1 | google founds dozen of topics about apt stuck at 0%, not sure what to suggestion :P |
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| 03:27.28 | zeropoint | Wrong window. |
| 03:28.05 | awal1 | dpkg: apt |
| 03:28.05 | dpkg | Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) is a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude and, from Debian 8 "Jessie" onwards, apt. See also <aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, <apt myths>. |
| 03:28.19 | awal1 | there may be an apt dedicated channel |
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| 03:28.30 | awal1 | try #debian-apt or something |
| 03:28.44 | N3X15 | given that Debian's defining feature is/was apt/dpkg, I doubt it |
| 03:29.03 | joepublic | nobody gives any love to dselect |
| 03:29.22 | awal1 | aptitude stuck to? |
| 03:30.07 | N3X15 | Yes, just at 100% rather than 0% |
| 03:30.08 | awal1 | you know, apt-get and aptitude are both frontends for apt |
| 03:30.19 | awal1 | old apt i mean |
| 03:30.32 | awal1 | at 100? |
| 03:30.37 | N3X15 | I know, I've used python bindings for it. :P |
| 03:31.09 | N3X15 | Although not lately, since I've moved on to 3.6 and python-apt still isn't working on 3.x |
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| 03:31.15 | awal1 | what says dpkg-reconfigure -a |
| 03:31.25 | zumba_addict | Hi all. Where can I find the config file for iptables? |
| 03:31.44 | N3X15 | Unknown option -a, awal1 |
| 03:31.54 | N3X15 | zumba_addict, it's a kernel feature |
| 03:32.39 | zumba_addict | ok. We don't use any rules file for activating firewall? |
| 03:33.02 | N3X15 | You probably could, but it'd be a frontend for the CLI commands. |
| 03:33.03 | zumba_addict | What if the machine is rebooted, how are the rules we executed will get applied again? |
| 03:33.08 | awal1 | excuses, i meant dpkg --configure -a |
| 03:33.32 | zumba_addict | I ran iptables but I'd like to save it |
| 03:33.40 | N3X15 | No output awal1 |
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| 03:34.22 | joepublic | I have a script that I run from rc.local that re-establishes my iptables, but that's almost certainly "deprecated" by someone or other |
| 03:35.00 | zumba_addict | I was thinking it iptables was being executed by systemd but i didn't find a service |
| 03:35.13 | N3X15 | No, it's part of the kernel. |
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| 03:35.31 | joepublic | the output of iptables -wS is generally your script, lacking the word iptables at the beginning of each line |
| 03:35.50 | zumba_addict | so by default, iptables rules are open |
| 03:36.20 | zeropoint | zumba_addict: Check out ufw, if you want a way to manage this easily. |
| 03:36.24 | zumba_addict | so -wS will spit out the output like -L |
| 03:36.53 | joepublic | no. -wS will do what I said. |
| 03:37.14 | zumba_addict | I got confused with what you said earlier |
| 03:37.29 | zumba_addict | what do you mean by "is generally your script"? |
| 03:37.33 | joepublic | -L is a summary of what those lines *do*, but -wS gives you the commands themselves |
| 03:37.43 | zumba_addict | got it |
| 03:37.48 | joepublic | I mean it is the list of commands, line by line, necessary to build your current iptables config. |
| 03:37.56 | zumba_addict | ah |
| 03:37.57 | joepublic | but, oddly missing the word iptables |
| 03:38.10 | zumba_addict | i guess it's safe to run |
| 03:38.29 | N3X15 | probably because someone out there has their own version of the iptables command and changed the name for... reasons. |
| 03:38.33 | zumba_addict | didn |
| 03:38.36 | zumba_addict | didn't work |
| 03:38.49 | N3X15 | If it's empty, there are no rules set |
| 03:38.57 | joepublic | you could always man iptables if unsure. -w wait for xtables lock, -S for that command list |
| 03:39.31 | zumba_addict | -S isn't listed |
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| 03:39.56 | zumba_addict | iptables on this machine could be old, 1.6 |
| 03:39.58 | N3X15 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:40.06 | N3X15 | listed in --help |
| 03:40.11 | zumba_addict | oh I see |
| 03:40.33 | zumba_addict | it was only -S that was not the the column |
| 03:40.43 | zumba_addict | it was more indented, ahaha |
| 03:42.16 | zumba_addict | I'm really not sure how the rules where created. It was already present after I created the DreamCompute. Then I just added to more iptables rules |
| 03:42.30 | zumba_addict | maybe by default, Dreamhost add's them in their instance |
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| 03:43.38 | awal1 | dpkg-reconfigure --all no more available seems |
| 03:43.40 | awal1 | hm |
| 03:44.30 | zumba_addict | i'm clearing all the existing rules and re-executing them |
| 03:45.29 | zumba_addict | this is what I created for clearning. Looks good? https://pastebin.com/NRjXSYdu |
| 03:46.11 | N3X15 | I really hope I don't have to reinstall debian again. |
| 03:46.22 | N3X15 | All the datacenter has is an aged version of wheezy. |
| 03:46.27 | awal1 | apart dpkg --configure -a , i think dpkg-reconfigure --all existed in the past, i used it if not wrong |
| 03:46.40 | awal1 | well, long time i haven't played with dpkg alone |
| 03:46.41 | N3X15 | It did, I remember it too |
| 03:46.48 | awal1 | my memory my be wrong |
| 03:47.16 | awal1 | yes it did |
| 03:48.14 | awal1 | no longer available so |
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| 03:50.09 | N3X15 | I'll disable mariadb and see if that helps. |
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| 03:52.22 | N3X15 | For the record, it didn't. |
| 03:52.26 | zumba_addict | my rules are good! Thank you folks |
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| 03:56.07 | N3X15 | OK, it was the PHP sury repo. |
| 03:56.17 | N3X15 | I disabled it and everything suddenly went through |
| 03:56.23 | N3X15 | I'll go complain on their channel. |
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| 04:10.15 | de-facto | does someone know where to add files in a debian/rules file? my GNU Makefile generates a "dist" directory which corresponds to the target installation root directory... |
| 04:10.41 | de-facto | can i just point debian/rules there to grab all the files and directories in "dist" and include them in my .deb? |
| 04:11.10 | awal1 | N3X15, since the beginning i suspected something is wrong in your sources.list :p |
| 04:11.36 | dvs | you're right |
| 04:11.57 | N3X15 | awal1, you want to know the best part? |
| 04:12.06 | awal1 | what |
| 04:12.06 | N3X15 | Too bad because I'm telling you anyway |
| 04:12.19 | N3X15 | I uncommented the line and it worked fine |
| 04:12.25 | N3X15 | no changes. |
| 04:12.36 | awal1 | :D |
| 04:13.25 | N3X15 | Now back to putting out all the fires with the gitlab service. |
| 04:14.21 | awal1 | maybe apt just took a nap, hard job it did after 2 big migrations jessie to stretch:P |
| 04:15.13 | awal1 | well, third party stuff are almost always problematic |
| 04:15.24 | awal1 | dpkg: frankendebian |
| 04:15.24 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
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| 04:16.26 | N3X15 | Again, it worked just fine before, and I figured I'd ask here before I just started deleting cache files willy-nilly. |
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| 04:38.05 | Deihmos | during install there is a setting for targeted drivers or full |
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| 04:38.49 | oiaohm | dpkg: mixing multi releases of debian are okish. As you can normally revese the process by chroot installation disc and get back to something working.. |
| 04:38.51 | dpkg | okay, oiaohm |
| 04:38.52 | Deihmos | if targeted is chosen will cause issues if i ever upgrade hardware |
| 04:39.04 | themill | dpkg, forget mixing multi releases of debian |
| 04:39.05 | dpkg | i forgot mixing multi releases of debian, themill |
| 04:39.25 | themill | oiaohm: and it's only OKish if you don't want us to support it |
| 04:39.29 | n4dir | any powerpc user here, and can he offer me a working sources.list for sid? #debianppc is pretty silent |
| 04:39.39 | oiaohm | dpkg: random repositories with out the mainline package quality control proccess that makes you can uninstall equals doomed. |
| 04:39.40 | dpkg | spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... ... |
| 04:39.46 | themill | oiaohm: please stop that |
| 04:40.20 | oiaohm | themill: OKish means you can give instructions that person can recover from it. |
| 04:40.58 | oiaohm | No that you will keep on supporting a mixed mess. |
| 04:41.21 | themill | no, it's basically unrecoverable |
| 04:41.46 | themill | you can tape over the problems and stick things back together with chewing gum, but ... |
| 04:41.56 | oiaohm | themill: I have done mixs between sid/testing/stable and old stable before. There is a process to clean those back to one. |
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| 04:42.27 | themill | no there isn't, that's the problem |
| 04:43.02 | oiaohm | themill: the right process you end up with the files left exactly like you had clean installed. |
| 04:43.17 | oiaohm | themill: there is a process its not fun. |
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| 04:43.42 | themill | !downgrade |
| 04:43.42 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 04:43.42 | oiaohm | themill: yes it will require chroot from install disc. |
| 04:44.27 | themill | it doesn't matter what futzing around you do with an install disk and chrooting, you cannot necessarily undo changes made by maintainer scripts. |
| 04:50.45 | awal1 | n4dir, a special sid ?repo forpowerpc |
| 04:50.48 | awal1 | ? |
| 04:51.29 | awal1 | all arch use same one |
| 04:51.39 | awal1 | there is only one |
| 04:51.42 | oiaohm | themill: https://piuparts.debian.org/ to be correct piuparts checks proper removal. So do downgrade you have to remove and readd those packages. The result is all your customisations on those packages are gone. |
| 04:51.53 | themill | nope |
| 04:51.59 | oiaohm | themill: and then you have to clean the home directories. |
| 04:52.06 | oiaohm | Not fun. |
| 04:52.06 | n4dir | awal1: yes, but after checking the powerpc mailing list, i found it. sorry for the noise |
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| 04:52.36 | oiaohm | themill: I have done it and got 100 percent chesum match in all installed files. |
| 04:52.38 | themill | what you're basically saying is you do a complete reinstall from a backup and then it's OK again. That's what dpkg said too. |
| 04:52.41 | awal1 | n4dir which one is |
| 04:52.52 | n4dir | https://people.debian.org/~glaubitz/sources.list |
| 04:53.10 | n4dir | mailing list entry: https://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2019/01/msg00078.html |
| 04:53.22 | n4dir | you will find a different how-to online, but that sources list fails. |
| 04:53.27 | awal1 | dpkg:powerpc |
| 04:53.27 | dpkg | PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on Old World PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <macsound>, <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>, <ppc64>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
| 04:54.14 | oiaohm | themill: does not have to be complete resinstall. The packages that are the correct version can in most case be 100 percent left other than clearing configuration and reconfiguring. |
| 04:54.37 | oiaohm | themill: the process is painful as hell. That makes a clean install be simpler. |
| 04:55.14 | oiaohm | themill: but if you are not using mainline repos you don't have piuparts so clear configuration and reconfigure may or may not work. |
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| 05:00.22 | themill | oiaohm: dude. Please stop. what you're trying to convince people to do is more painful than a reinstall. piuparts is no guarantee that you can downgrade either. If on-disk structures for your database have changed in the upgrade, you're hosed no matter what dance you do. |
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| 05:11.30 | oiaohm | themill: The process I descibed is without pain or loss. But it can be faster than a reinstall for limited areas of damage. Like someone who has installed a package from sid to test if something does work or not. |
| 05:12.27 | oiaohm | themill: It is possible to downgrade to a point. But it comes at a price. Reinstalling to older version also will leave you with backups of databases that will not reinstall. |
| 05:13.26 | oiaohm | themill: opps is not without out pain or loss. |
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| 06:00.39 | jelly | oiaohm: what "may sometimes work" and what "we know works and can honestly recommend to other users in a support channel" are two wildly different sets |
| 06:07.13 | oiaohm | jelly: This is not a just a somtimes works. The right process you end up with a calculated cost. The calculated cost part removal and resinstall and the lost data can be like. Like if someone has pushed forwards to nano in sid pushing back to stable is not problem. |
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| 06:07.40 | oiaohm | jelly: I will say that the process is not simple and not plainless most of the time. to attempt to downgrade. |
| 06:08.25 | n4dir | you don't seem to get the point you were told quite a few times now. |
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| 06:09.49 | oiaohm | n4dir: reason why I am not getting the point is there is a reverse process. It was in the 2002 debian administrators guide. |
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| 06:11.02 | jelly | oiaohm: we have a different definition of "sometimes" then |
| 06:12.17 | oiaohm | jelly: the process will always work the the volume of data loss. |
| 06:13.03 | oiaohm | jelly: it comes down to how much data to downgrade are you willing to lose. |
| 06:14.05 | jelly | if I'm reading it right, your "always works" is "if you're able to figure out exactly which parts to purge, exactly which parts to reinstall, and exactly which bits to restore, given an exponential amount of interacting moving parts" |
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| 06:15.23 | jelly | I call that "impossible to guide through over irc and bad advice to give in a public support channel" |
| 06:16.09 | oiaohm | jelly: purge calculation is dependany tree. It use to be nice documented. The current Emergency downgrading in the manual does not cover half the stuff you need todo. |
| 06:16.25 | oiaohm | jelly: to be correct less than 10% of what you need todo. |
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| 08:06.44 | lawltoad | Hi I have package A that provides B. and package C that requiers B. A is installed but apt-get won't install C |
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| 08:14.34 | jelly | lawltoad: can you show complete output of "apt-cache policy A B C" and "apt-cache policy" and "apt-get install C" |
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| 08:14.59 | jelly | !paste |
| 08:14.59 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net or https://0bin.net/ | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 08:17.47 | lawltoad | A is xserver-xorg-core-hwe-18.04 which apt-cache show shows it provides xserver-xorg-core |
| 08:18.20 | lawltoad | but policy on xserver-xorg-core shows Installed: (none) |
| 08:18.43 | lawltoad | jelly, gimmie a sec on th epastebin |
| 08:18.48 | jelly | if that's an ubuntu installation you'll want to ask in either #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server channels, depending on what you have installed |
| 08:20.18 | lawltoad | True. I guess I was probing more generally about apt-get here. A provides B means that an installation of A results in B being considered installed right? |
| 08:20.31 | jelly | (the volunteers who know and want to help with Ubuntu over there will still benefit if you give them that info) |
| 08:20.52 | lawltoad | I'm asking them specifics as well |
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| 08:21.11 | jelly | I don't do "generally", sorry |
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| 08:21.24 | lawltoad | I was curious if the correct terminology for B was pseudo package |
| 08:21.26 | lawltoad | ah sorry |
| 08:21.27 | jelly | this channel is for debian, not apt or dpkg |
| 08:21.41 | lawltoad | I thought apt was considered a 'debian' thing |
| 08:21.50 | jelly | (sadly there is no channel for apt that I know of) |
| 08:21.51 | lawltoad | my mistake |
| 08:22.07 | jelly | it is a debian thing, but this channel is to help Debian users |
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| 08:22.54 | jelly | otherwise we get overwhelmed with all the distros that use debian things |
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| 08:33.07 | lawltoad | jelly, makes sense. Thanks! |
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| 08:43.56 | Ingvix | Hey, can I somehow inform dpkg that a dependency that a package needs exists in the system but with a different name? |
| 08:44.21 | tarzeau | Ingvix: which packages are we talking about? |
| 08:44.25 | tarzeau | can you list the names |
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| 08:45.39 | Ingvix | tarzeau, libgconf2-4 is needed but only libgconf-2-4 exists in the system |
| 08:45.58 | Ingvix | that's the only conflict |
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| 08:49.10 | tarzeau | Ingvix: and that's with stretch? or something else? |
| 08:49.30 | tarzeau | Ingvix: and which pkg needs libgconf2-4 ? |
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| 08:51.23 | Ingvix | tarzeau, stretch and also buster but that doesn't matter currently. A package called transformice_x64.deb. Just a standalone client a for a multiplayer flash game |
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| 08:52.29 | tarzeau | Ingvix: https://github.com/NekoTony/Transformice-Linux this? |
| 08:52.34 | Ingvix | yes |
| 08:52.36 | tarzeau | Ingvix: i'd fix the depends in the source debian package |
| 08:52.45 | tarzeau | you know you can unpack the .deb ? |
| 08:52.49 | tarzeau | and then edit the control file? |
| 08:52.51 | tarzeau | repack it? |
| 08:53.02 | Ingvix | No I did not know |
| 08:53.07 | tarzeau | very easy |
| 08:53.15 | tarzeau | easier to just rebuild it if you have the source deb package |
| 08:53.26 | tarzeau | 64bit or 32bit? i can do that for you if you don't know how |
| 08:53.34 | Ingvix | 64bit please |
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| 08:54.25 | wrksx | do you have any experience with webdav |
| 08:54.56 | wrksx | I'm thinking about replacing ou ftp with webdav to get better permission management on 'virtual' users |
| 08:57.52 | jelly | Ingvix: as root, or inside fakeroot, "dpkg --extract some.deb tempdir/; dpkg --control some.deb tempdir/DEBIAN"... then edit tempdir/DEBIAN/control file and fix deps, then pack it back with "dpkg -b tempdir ." |
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| 08:58.46 | jelly | wrksx: we use sftp and actual users. |
| 08:59.08 | tarzeau | Ingvix: try http://bootes.ethz.ch/transformice/transformice-patched_x64.deb |
| 08:59.39 | tarzeau | Ingvix: i had to unpack the archive, with ar x, then the control.tar.gz with tar xzf, and the repack the patched control, repack the .deb with ar r |
| 09:00.25 | jelly | no need to deal with ar if you have dpkg at hand |
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| 09:01.17 | jelly | and you still need to do it as (fake)root to avoid messing up ownerships |
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| 09:03.12 | tarzeau | jelly: ah. right, good hints |
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| 09:05.36 | wrksx | jelly, yeah real linux users seems to be the only way to get a good permission management over the files |
| 09:05.44 | wrksx | at least with ftp |
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| 09:10.59 | Ingvix | thanks tarzeau and jelly |
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| 09:30.54 | SanchoPensa | hey guys! |
| 09:30.55 | SanchoPensa | Can you please recommend me a decent file manager for xfce? This thunar crap really isn't good for nothing... |
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| 09:31.18 | blackflow | ranger. but it's cli |
| 09:31.53 | japh | vidir |
| 09:32.06 | Haohmaru | i'm happy with pcmanfm (but not with its default settings) |
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| 09:33.00 | SanchoPensa | thank you, gentlemen! :) |
| 09:33.33 | blackflow | could be ladies too. |
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| 09:34.19 | SanchoPensa | blackflow: ya, that would be something completely new in this channell :D are you? |
| 09:34.47 | blackflow | would it, now? |
| 09:35.34 | japh | gender doesn't exist on irc |
| 09:36.09 | SanchoPensa | another question: when I want to add a file lets say to an email, or insert a pic into a doc, that file selection dialog provides a SEARCH functionality that automagically searches through al subfolders too. I'd be really nice to have that in a file manger, as I search through thousands of files A LOT, do you happen to know a file-manager, that can do that? |
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| 09:36.48 | SanchoPensa | japh: not my experience. but then, aren't we slightly off-topic, LADIES and gentlemen? |
| 09:37.25 | SanchoPensa | blackflow: yes, it would, you'd be the very first lady, that I encountered in this channel in the last 15 yrs. |
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| 09:40.18 | tarzeau | Ingvix: it worked? |
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| 09:51.51 | Ingvix | tarzeau, yes |
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| 09:56.01 | Ingvix | Though I wish I could use another client for that game that seemed to lag less and has better positioning but for some reason it just gives segfault because of something failing with the flash player. It does work on some other devices but for some reason not with this laptop. It's written in C which I don't have much of experience so I have no idea how to debug it |
| 09:56.55 | Ingvix | tried gdb but it only gave the fact something goes wrong with flash player |
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| 10:02.03 | Ingvix | https://github.com/editor700/tfmclient this is the client if anyone wants to take a look at it, though I'm not expecting anything but one can always hope. Segfault happens on the line 425 in src/tfmclient.c |
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| 10:20.09 | Greyztar | a program i use is using python to run,how can i change it from using just python to python2.7 for an example? |
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| 10:25.40 | tarzeau | Greyztar: the first line of the python file? or python3 the.py |
| 10:25.54 | tarzeau | Ingvix: no idea, didn't look at it, but if it's on github, create an issue? |
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| 10:26.28 | Greyztar | tarzeau: that makes sense,i looked at it the wrong way thanks |
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| 10:27.03 | blackflow | Greyztar: PEP-394 mandates that 'python' is always 2.x. Is your environment different so this is not the case? |
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| 10:28.30 | Greyztar | blackflow: hmm i dont really know,seems the program might be a little bugged,tested with python 2.7 in terminal and seemed to fixed it ill tinker with it thanks |
| 10:28.49 | blackflow | Greyztar: well what does it say when you run `python -V` ? |
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| 10:29.38 | Greyztar | blackflow: ...2.27 seems its just buggy the program,ill try with python3 see how goes |
| 10:30.32 | blackflow | well.... which version does it _actually_ need? you can't just switch pythons like that, there's backwards incompatibilities |
| 10:30.56 | jelly | Greyztar: /usr/bin/python will point to system python2 (which is 2.7 now) at least until the next debian release after 2020 so you can keep using that in the #! line |
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| 10:31.26 | jelly | blackflow: that always has a deadline tho |
| 10:31.40 | blackflow | or more to the point, until python 2.x is EOL in 2020 and the PEP changes the mandate for `python` |
| 10:32.15 | Greyztar | blackflow: ill have to take a look then |
| 10:32.22 | Greyztar | jelly: thanks for the information |
| 10:32.23 | blackflow | jelly: it does but... for now, in 2019, and Stretch, python is and should be 2.x, unless in a virtualenv where things are explicitly and deliberately configured :) |
| 10:32.34 | blackflow | `python` (the command) |
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| 10:34.25 | jelly | 2020 is not that far. buster comes without python2 by default already |
| 10:34.42 | Greyztar | it seemed to sort of fix itself ,uses awfull lot of time to start up though,but its starts and the bug seem gone |
| 10:34.44 | blackflow | yes but it doesn't violate the PEP |
| 10:35.08 | jelly | itrue |
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| 11:03.20 | Ingvix | tarzeau, repo owner doesn't seem to visit github much so I'm pretty sure it's abandoned |
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| 11:04.27 | tarzeau | Ingvix: fork and fix? is that game good? free? |
| 11:04.32 | tarzeau | screenshots? |
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| 11:14.23 | Ingvix | tarzeau, as I said, I have no idea how to continue debugging that after seeing what gdb says. It's a good game for killing time atleast for me. A bit childish to be honest and majority of the players are young. Its free to play but has non-free content though none that affects gameplay so no p2w. Just clothes and other visual stuff. It has multiple game modes from which my favourite is survivor where shaman player pretty much tries to swipe all other |
| 11:14.23 | Ingvix | players off the map with spawnable objects, mostly cannons. Here's one screenshot https://i.ytimg.com/vi/dSqKorfPHx8/maxresdefault.jpg |
| 11:14.56 | Ingvix | all the players are mice |
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| 11:15.25 | tarzeau | Ingvix: ugh, compared to 1990+-5 years, i'm used to nicer graphics from amiga games |
| 11:15.35 | tarzeau | Ingvix: it doesn't attract me at all :( sorry |
| 11:15.42 | tarzeau | but looks like polish, kurwamac? |
| 11:15.49 | uio | Hi are security updates automatic even in non-Gnome desktop? I was reading https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades but don't quite get how this workds. |
| 11:15.53 | Ingvix | it has multiple servers for different languages |
| 11:16.08 | Ingvix | it's quite popular |
| 11:16.15 | tarzeau | Ingvix: you should try apt-get install lix (www.lixgame.com), or pushover, jumpnbump, mrboom (sort of games i like) |
| 11:16.55 | blackflow | uio: ideally you should not rely on automatic sec updates because it won't apply to all situations, it won't reboot for new kernel, or new systemd or new dbus, or new glibc.... |
| 11:17.14 | uio | blackflow, What would you recommend? |
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| 11:17.24 | blackflow | uio: better use something like apticron and then schedule updates manually, when you're notified of 'em |
| 11:17.27 | tarzeau | and also won't restart processes, that are linked to affected dynamically linked libraries |
| 11:17.30 | uio | blackflow, I turn my computer off quite often. |
| 11:17.54 | blackflow | oh yes, also what tarzeau said. it will only restart services directly managed by updted package, but not linked libs! |
| 11:18.13 | blackflow | uio: how does that have anything to do with this :) |
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| 11:19.00 | uio | blackflow, you mentioned 'reboot'.... |
| 11:19.11 | Ingvix | tarzeau, I'm not that interested in finding new games as trying to find a working linux solution for that one as I've quite accustomized to it but might as well try when I have the time |
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| 11:19.40 | uio | tarzeau, Will rebooting restart processes? |
| 11:19.54 | blackflow | obviously yes |
| 11:20.05 | tarzeau | uio: usually yes, since all processes get a signal to stop working and the computerboard gets a reset, starts BIOS again |
| 11:20.40 | tarzeau | i don't think processes can survive a kexec |
| 11:20.52 | Ingvix | though lix does seem quite interesting, I do like puzzles |
| 11:21.06 | uio | blackflow, tarzeau So then if I turn my machine off and on at least once a date, automatic security updates should be fine, non? |
| 11:21.08 | tarzeau | if you talk about the linux system that you install. not sure on the unknown other systesm (raspberry pi on gpu firmware) or the intel things with minix |
| 11:21.33 | tarzeau | uio: probably, we use xymon to monitor that thing with apt/upd/libs |
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| 11:21.49 | tarzeau | and try to reboot as less as possible, as we have users with long running jobs |
| 11:22.00 | blackflow | uio: in theory, yes. |
| 11:22.05 | tarzeau | kernel reboots only if there's power outage, or remote exploits, or local exploits |
| 11:22.12 | tarzeau | software, depending on the fix |
| 11:22.42 | uio | blackflow, tarzeau Okay, well thanks for your help! |
| 11:23.21 | blackflow | uio: I mean, yes, you will restart all that needs restarting to get the updates applied. it's just that blind update without a review is something that bothers me as a sysadmin, a lot. I guess if it works for you.... go for it. |
| 11:23.54 | uio | I have another question : when I turn the computer on, it connects automatically to WiFi using network-manager, but then I almost always have to run su dhclient to be able to use internet. How can I fix this. |
| 11:24.22 | uio | blackflow, [I know just enough to break things, so I'm trying to learn a bit more to avoid breaking them :)] |
| 11:24.31 | blackflow | uio: by configuring the wifi connection in NM to use dhcp |
| 11:24.52 | uio | blackflow, Ah, How can I do so? |
| 11:25.15 | blackflow | uio: click on the NM icon, on the wifi connection, there shuld be a Settings option or something like that |
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| 11:26.05 | uio | blackflow, It's already set to use dhcp |
| 11:26.08 | blackflow | uio: that btw is default so you probably changed that at some point? |
| 11:26.37 | uio | blackflow, "automatic" (DHCP) |
| 11:26.57 | blackflow | and are you sure that NM is actually managing that connection? |
| 11:27.05 | uio | blackflow, No... |
| 11:27.39 | blackflow | do you have any config options for wifi under /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 11:27.41 | uio | Should DHCP be set in IPv6 as well? |
| 11:27.56 | blackflow | uio: that depends on your network, whether it uses dhcp6 or slaac |
| 11:28.41 | blackflow | but I don't know how NM manages that distinction |
| 11:28.46 | uio | backflow https://paste.debian.net/hidden/26ada09e/ |
| 11:29.11 | blackflow | uio: and I'm guessing nothing wifi related in /etc/network/interfaces.d ? |
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| 11:29.46 | uio | blackflow, It's empty... |
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| 11:30.39 | blackflow | uio: well you'll have to look into the journal if dhclient is reporting any errors. eg journalctl -b | grep dhclient |
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| 11:32.47 | uio | blackflow, I see a bunch of output. What am I looking for? |
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| 11:33.53 | blackflow | uio: any errors immediately after reboot. you could pastebin as well, if you don't know what to look for |
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| 11:41.01 | uio | blackflow, https://paste.debian.net/hidden/8134f517/ |
| 11:41.49 | uio | blackflow, Disregard the XXXX |
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| 11:44.34 | blackflow | uio: there's a minute and a half difference between first two log entries, is that where you started dhclient manually? |
| 11:45.04 | blackflow | actually two and a half minuts |
| 11:45.08 | uio | blackflow, I think so... |
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| 11:45.30 | uio | blackflow, I'm not sure though. It must be, but I can't see the time at which I issued the command. |
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| 11:45.51 | blackflow | uio: no idea then. you'll have to dig deeper into the logs around that time. eg with journalctl --since '2019-02-20 11:49:09' |
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| 11:48.37 | uio | blackflow, There is : févr. 20 11:49:09 USER NetworkManager[663]: <info> [1550659749.8923] dhcp-init: Using DHCP client 'dhclient' |
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| 11:51.31 | blackflow | uio: what about that. that's the first log line from your post and at that timestamp. the --since query should've listed from that point onward |
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| 11:57.29 | ruslan | What is the best way to provide such thing for debian? https://github.com/koutoftimer/sqrc/tree/development#c-version |
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| 11:59.02 | uio | blackflow, https://paste.debian.net/hidden/c6be09e8/ |
| 12:00.15 | blackflow | uio: that is rather incomplete. |
| 12:00.42 | uio | blackflow, What is missing? |
| 12:00.59 | uio | blackflow, I put what I thought you needed... oops. |
| 12:01.03 | blackflow | all the entries SINCE 11:49:09 onward |
| 12:01.15 | uio | blackflow, Ah! |
| 12:01.25 | uio | blackflow, I didn't press space ! |
| 12:01.28 | blackflow | all, not just grep "dhclient" ones |
| 12:01.35 | uio | blackflow, Okay. |
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| 12:02.04 | blackflow | uio: if there's a lot of it, you can limit with --until '2019-02-20 12:00:00' or something like that |
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| 12:06.18 | uio | blackflow, https://paste.debian.net/1069135/ |
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| 12:12.27 | uio | blackflow, Is that the right output now? |
| 12:13.28 | blackflow | uio: yeah and there's some wifi restarts there, not sure if done by you manually or automatically. |
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| 12:22.27 | uio | blackflow, So what should I do? |
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| 12:27.39 | blackflow | uio: reboot, and don't manually attempt dhclient. if you don't get an ip in, say, 5 minutes, check the logs again. |
| 12:28.07 | blackflow | uio: however, I have to go now so you'll have to ask somoene else to help out with the logs |
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| 12:28.59 | uio | blackflow, Thanks for your help! |
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| 12:33.52 | outoftime | Would you like such thing in debian repo: https://github.com/koutoftimer/sqrc/tree/development#c-version ? |
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| 12:39.56 | pagios | hello, i have a NFS question, i have a server hosting some mp4 files, and a client mounting the directory of the nfs server locally. The users mainly connect to the webserver on the client which is mounting the mp4 directory of the server. My question is, when a user tries to play the mp4 file, he uses the nfs mount on the client, does it mean if i have 100 clients, i create 100 request for nfs between the client and server? |
| 12:39.56 | pagios | [14:38:24] <pagios> or is it one request for the mp4 that is shred by all the users? |
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| 12:43.33 | opv | hey guys, i'm trying to wrap my head around this. running stretch |
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| 12:44.11 | opv | it concerns sudoers and su |
| 12:44.35 | opv | basically, allowing '/bin/su -l user -s /bin/bash' with NOPASSWD works just fine |
| 12:44.49 | opv | but if i allow '/bin/su -l user -s /bin/bash -c "*"' with NOPASSWD, it asks for a passwd |
| 12:45.01 | opv | i do not understand why. hope you can enlighten me |
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| 12:46.56 | themill | opv: su has nothing to do with /etc/sudoers? |
| 12:47.11 | opv | that's true, it doesn't. maybe you don't understand my question |
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| 12:49.22 | xand | opv: maybe that isn't the sudo rule being matched |
| 12:51.49 | outoftime | opv: "The executed command will have no controlling terminal. This option cannot be used to execute interactive programs which need a controlling TTY." what is your command for targeted user's shell? |
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| 12:52.53 | themill | also, shell quoting is going to be fun with that |
| 12:53.01 | themill | (and what on earth are you trying to achieve with these runes?) |
| 12:54.55 | opv | outoftime: things like 'echo foo', 'tail bar', etc |
| 12:55.24 | opv | xand: after further testing, leaving out the double-quotes achieves the desired effect. still wondering why tho |
| 12:55.49 | themill | sudo would never see the quotes because the shell would normally eat them |
| 12:56.00 | opv | that explains it |
| 12:56.23 | themill | I'm still curious why you want this and not sudo -u |
| 12:56.52 | opv | most likely bc i didn't think of it. and bc the user in question has no shell |
| 12:57.07 | themill | a shell isn't needed |
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| 13:00.47 | opv | gotcha |
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| 13:10.03 | shellclear | hi, i'm getting error message tryng to install nvidia-driver , some dependecies where not found... is it an issue, bug or something like that? |
| 13:10.05 | shellclear | https://pastebin.com/GgmM2Seh |
| 13:10.37 | petn-randall | shellclear: What OS release is this? |
| 13:11.08 | shellclear | petn-randall: 9.8 |
| 13:11.16 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 13:11.16 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 13:11.35 | petn-randall | shellclear: Seems as something got mixed up. Can you provide all the info from above? ^^^ |
| 13:12.11 | petn-randall | Ideally in a single paste on https://paste.debian.net/ |
| 13:12.21 | shellclear | okay |
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| 13:14.33 | shellclear | http://paste.debian.net/1069145/ |
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| 13:15.40 | shellclear | http://paste.debian.net/1069146/ |
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| 13:16.08 | petn-randall | shellclear: Can you also show `apt-cache policy nvidia-driver`? |
| 13:16.53 | shellclear | http://paste.debian.net/1069147/ |
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| 13:18.48 | petn-randall | E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. |
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| 13:19.06 | shellclear | packages libglx0 and libglx-mesa0 are not dependencies for nvidia-driver package 390.x |
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| 13:19.19 | themill | shellclear: that pinning is not really a good way of working |
| 13:20.12 | petn-randall | shellclear: How do you know? They might not be direct dependencies, but they're likely further down the chain. |
| 13:20.22 | shellclear | themill: but if is pinned it doesnt would be a problem... |
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| 13:21.11 | petn-randall | If you cherrypick packages from testing or sid, it will be problem down the road. |
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| 13:21.30 | shellclear | petn-randall: you are right. What I need to do ? |
| 13:21.39 | themill | any sort of negative pins tend to cause apt to explode |
| 13:22.20 | petn-randall | shellclear: Try removing testing/sid from the sources.list, and show us any error if there is one. |
| 13:22.29 | shellclear | okay |
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| 13:23.10 | petn-randall | You need to run `apt-get update` after commenting them out. |
| 13:23.21 | themill | pinning s-p-u is also unlikely a good thing |
| 13:24.27 | themill | shellclear: it would be good to see "apt-get -f install" too |
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| 13:28.31 | shellclear | http://paste.debian.net/1069148/ |
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| 13:29.35 | petn-randall | Looks good to me. |
| 13:29.36 | shellclear | it worked.. |
| 13:29.38 | petn-randall | thumbs up. |
| 13:29.58 | shellclear | thanks guys |
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| 13:31.30 | petn-randall | shellclear: For the future, if you want to use newer packages from testing/sid, it's better to use backports. |
| 13:31.37 | petn-randall | !backports |
| 13:31.38 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 13:31.46 | petn-randall | and also |
| 13:31.49 | petn-randall | !ssb |
| 13:31.49 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 13:32.22 | shellclear | :D |
| 13:32.51 | shellclear | taking a note |
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| 13:41.53 | mvaenskae | how would one get opencl running in a debian buster vm using qxl? |
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| 13:51.19 | towo^work | mvaenskae, what makes you think, that would work? |
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| 13:51.44 | towo^work | opencl needs compute cores on a graphics card, qxl is not a graphics card |
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| 13:54.21 | mvaenskae | so anything requiring opencl hard and not falling back correctly to software rendering will result in brokenness? |
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| 13:57.25 | petn-randall | mvaenskae: opencl allows you to run code on GPUs or other special hardware accelerators. You'll need to pass the HW through to the VM for it to access it directly. |
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| 14:53.02 | paw | Hi question. I'm trying to figure out how to convince debconf to use a different database. I have a debconf app that eventually calls apt. There's DEBCONF_DB_FALLBACK/DEBCONF_DB_OVERRIDE, is that what I should be using? |
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| 14:55.15 | dob1 | hi, I have this test markdown document https://pastebin.com/9vKRWh41, I am trying to create an html file from it using pandoc (pandoc -s test.md -o test.html) but now way, the table is not created |
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| 14:56.14 | dob1 | maybe I miss some libs or whatever, I don't know |
| 14:56.50 | petn-randall | paw: debconf itself? That doesn't use a database. Can you elaborate what you're trying to achieve? |
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| 14:58.09 | paw | trying to create a debconf "app" that calls apt, so because by default it's got /var/cache/debconf/config.dat locked, apt complains |
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| 15:02.40 | petn-randall | paw: And why are you trying to do *that*? |
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| 15:02.52 | petn-randall | !goal |
| 15:02.52 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
| 15:03.11 | paw | lol. trying to create a wrapper app |
| 15:03.26 | petn-randall | What for? |
| 15:03.37 | petn-randall | It's still not clear to me what your overall goal is. |
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| 15:03.45 | paw | custom package groupings |
| 15:04.04 | greycat | ... tasks? |
| 15:04.43 | greycat | or simply a metapackage with a bunch of depends? |
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| 15:05.05 | paw | yes, something like that |
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| 15:05.32 | paw | the objective is to customize the front end |
| 15:06.33 | zeropoint | But why? |
| 15:06.45 | petn-randall | paw: I think there's some basic info you're missing. What is the concrete "thing" you're working on? |
| 15:06.51 | greycat | As usual, the objective is to squeeeeeze out 3 to 5 words at a time, drip drip drip, the barest trickle of useless information you feel you can get away with, in order to avoid actually COMMUNICATING anything. |
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| 15:07.10 | petn-randall | Try not to talk in example or general terms. |
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| 15:09.10 | paw | basically a customized setup package that does a setup of initialization for an environment. create a needed user, install some packages so that the user can select from a few customized set of options |
| 15:09.51 | petn-randall | paw: Can you show us what you're exactly working on? |
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| 15:10.41 | paw | can't show anything specific at the moment. all in expt |
| 15:11.38 | petn-randall | I give up. Let us know if you can tell us anything substantial to work with. |
| 15:12.16 | zeropoint | It sounds foolish. |
| 15:12.23 | zeropoint | These aren't unsolved problems. cloud-init, etc. |
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| 15:12.51 | petn-randall | I can at least tell you that if you're trying to bend debconf to use a different database, you're doing things wrong on a very fundamental level. I can't suggest a solution though as you've not given any useful info to work with. |
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| 15:14.16 | paw | right, just looking at what's possible and what's not at the moment. Trying to understand how DEBCONF_DB_REPLACE/DEBCONF_DB_OVERRIDE/DEBCONF_DB_FALLBACK works.... |
| 15:14.29 | petn-randall | You can also template the answers to debconf questions by shipping e.g. /etc/dbconfig-common/icinga2-ido-pgsql.conf, which is a way more sane thing to do. |
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| 15:15.38 | petn-randall | paw: Those are settings to use when you're actually developing on *debconf*, they're not useful for shipping anything. |
| 15:15.55 | paw | yes, trying to create .../<pkg>.config, <pkg>.template |
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| 15:18.01 | petn-randall | Good luck with your endeavours! Let us know when you have an actual support question you're willing to provide info on. |
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| 15:18.59 | paw | thanks |
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| 15:19.39 | petn-randall | greycat: :) |
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| 15:38.55 | lmat | I just got docker debian:stretch-slim . How do I tell whether this is 9.8 or 9.7? |
| 15:39.27 | lmat | I tried image names like debian:stretch-slim-9.8, but couldn't find anything useful. |
| 15:39.35 | hwm4rgs | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:39.42 | greycat | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 15:40.29 | greycat | Looks like /etc/os-release doesn't have the point version. |
| 15:43.42 | hwm4rgs | Ah. Sorry about that, just pulled whatever off the top of my head. |
| 15:43.54 | hwm4rgs | Didn't have a debian accessible to test. |
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| 15:46.48 | jelly | lsb_release -r |
| 15:47.15 | jelly | because indirection is always better? |
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| 16:14.45 | nkuttler | ,v ssmtp |
| 16:14.46 | judd | Package: ssmtp on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.64-7; jessie: 2.64-8; sid: 2.64-8+b2; stretch: 2.64-8+b2 |
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| 16:20.41 | wrksx | I've heard about raid 1.5 on wikipedia, but is this something I can pull of with mdam ? |
| 16:20.49 | wrksx | of/off |
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| 16:20.51 | wrksx | =) |
| 16:21.36 | greycat | https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/mdadm/md.4.en.html shows the supported RAID levels |
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| 16:24.28 | wrksx | greycat, ty it's quite explicit indeed |
| 16:28.21 | jelly | wrksx: what is raid 1.5? |
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| 16:28.58 | wrksx | jelly, wikipedia said it's raid 1 with read balancing, which is natively done by mdadm |
| 16:29.41 | SwedeMike | wrksx: that's default behaviour with raid1. |
| 16:29.41 | wrksx | in raid 1 configuration |
| 16:29.56 | SwedeMike | wrksx: I've never seen it called raid1.5 |
| 16:30.16 | wrksx | SwedeMike, yeah but Idk why it was stated as raid 1.5 in the french wikipedia page, maybe a french thing |
| 16:30.48 | jelly | wrksx: I'm not sure what read balancing means, but right now md raid1 only uses a single member for one read operation. |
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| 16:31.51 | jelly | wrksx: if you have two members that each can do 100MB/s sequential read, you can't sequentially read a file at 200MB/s with one stream. |
| 16:31.51 | wrksx | jelly, manual says "multiple sequential streams or a random workload will use more than one spindle" |
| 16:31.59 | jelly | wrksx: that is correct. |
| 16:32.47 | jelly | (unless one or more members is marked as write-mostly) |
| 16:32.47 | wrksx | jelly, yeah my idea wasn't to get better performances in reading a single file |
| 16:33.13 | petn-randall | Well, but it does allow 100MB/s each for two sequential read streams, which close to just as good. |
| 16:34.05 | jelly | rsync cannot be told to sync two files at a time. |
| 16:34.28 | wrksx | oh shit |
| 16:34.29 | wrksx | =) |
| 16:34.47 | wrksx | no I don't care, at least another stream can happen while I'm rsyncing |
| 16:35.08 | jelly | yes, that works well |
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| 16:36.32 | jelly | so, your app has to be smart enough to take advantage |
| 16:36.36 | lmat | greycat: Thanks! |
| 16:36.57 | jelly | wrksx: you can run two rsyncs on separate subtrees! |
| 16:37.36 | wrksx | jelly, multiple users are goin to use the disks at the same time, I bet somehow multiple streams are goin to be used =) |
| 16:37.51 | jelly | consider raid10 then |
| 16:37.57 | petn-randall | I imagine such a striping setup will cause writing to me much slower, as it's not sequential anymore, though. |
| 16:38.07 | jelly | if you have members and can afford it |
| 16:38.54 | jelly | petn-randall: except writes are done in parallel to all members |
| 16:39.02 | jelly | in raid1 |
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| 16:39.35 | wrksx | yeah raid 10 is cool |
| 16:39.45 | wrksx | but I have to start with 4 disks right? |
| 16:40.01 | jelly | if your comment was "random writes are much slower than sequential writes", that is true even for non-raid |
| 16:40.05 | wrksx | what do you meant by "if you have members" |
| 16:40.21 | jelly | wrksx: yes, 4 or 6 or... :-) |
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| 16:41.03 | wrksx | how hard would it be to go from 2disks raid 1 to 4 disks raid 10, on a scale of 5 =) ? |
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| 16:41.58 | jelly | about 3.50 |
| 16:42.00 | petn-randall | jelly: If you stripe in a way that sequential reads double throughput, you'll have to have all primary copies in the first half of the disk, and the second copy in the second half on the other disk. Which means writes will cause seeking back and forth from the first to the second half of the disk, killing write throughput. |
| 16:42.25 | petn-randall | (talking about the "raid 1.5" setup) |
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| 16:42.34 | wrksx | but |
| 16:42.40 | jelly | (I have no idea what 1.5 is) |
| 16:42.42 | wrksx | what i'm not sure anymore |
| 16:43.15 | jelly | wrksx: there's a nice #linux-raid channel, too |
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| 16:43.45 | petn-randall | jelly: It's apparently the striping where a single sequential read speed is the sum of all disk's read speed. |
| 16:43.50 | SwedeMike | jelly: I've been in #linux-raid for 3-5 years and raid1.5 has never been mentioned. |
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| 16:44.32 | jelly | petn-randall: you don't need magical striping for that, just better code than md :-) |
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| 16:54.56 | de-facto | how can i cleanup all the garbage of "dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -b -a armhf" left behind, so i start with the same state again? |
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| 16:55.18 | de-facto | it seems to wildly write around in the "debian" directory |
| 16:56.02 | jelly | de-facto: just run it again, the first step is basically a make clean |
| 16:56.42 | de-facto | yes my Makefile cleans up its stuff, but what about the files created by dpkg-buildpackage itself in the "debian" dir? |
| 16:56.50 | de-facto | i dont want to chase it with rm $garbage |
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| 16:58.43 | jelly | not talking about your own Makefile, but dh_clean |
| 16:59.03 | de-facto | do i have to run that in rules explicitely? |
| 16:59.04 | jelly | ie. the debian/rules makefile. |
| 16:59.10 | jelly | no. |
| 16:59.15 | jelly | just run things again. |
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| 16:59.45 | jelly | a sane debian package source with first clean things up, then build again |
| 16:59.57 | jelly | will* first clean up |
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| 17:00.29 | de-facto | jelly yes exactly that is what i want to do, cleanup first then build |
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| 17:00.38 | de-facto | to make it sane... |
| 17:00.39 | jelly | that's done automatically. |
| 17:00.59 | de-facto | i am writing the stuff in "debian", just want ot get it right |
| 17:02.04 | jelly | I guess if there's some sort of crazy custom debian/rules it might to something weird, but all the stuff I built from source basically first clean up. This is annoying if the build process is long and you just change some tiny thing in source. |
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| 17:03.20 | de-facto | jelly debian/rules is very simple still: "%:" and "dh $@" |
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| 17:04.46 | de-facto | i am trying to figure out why crossbuilds fail when native ones dont, so i dont want to checkout everytime but have dpkg-buildpackage clean up properly instead |
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| 17:12.27 | de-facto | amd64 (native) works just fine (also the cleanup) but armhf seems to fail |
| 17:12.40 | de-facto | "dh clean" "dh: No packages to build." |
| 17:13.11 | de-facto | how can i tell dpkg-buildpackage to "build a package" in that case? |
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| 17:15.44 | lmat | Where can I find a debian stretch 9.8 docker image? |
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| 17:16.35 | de-facto | lmat on dockerhub? just docker run -it debian:stretch /bin/bash ? |
| 17:18.30 | de-facto | lmat i think its this here: https://github.com/debuerreotype/docker-debian-artifacts/blob/dist-amd64/stretch/Dockerfile |
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| 17:19.14 | RaphGroHS | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.17 | RaphGroHS | why? ^ |
| 17:19.28 | jelly | ,v samba-common |
| 17:19.29 | judd | Package: samba-common on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u7; wheezy-security: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u16; jessie: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u9; stretch-security: 2:4.5.12+dfsg-2+deb9u4; stretch: 2:4.5.16+dfsg-1; sid: 2:4.6.7+dfsg-2; buster: 2:4.9.4+dfsg-2; sid: 2:4.9.4+dfsg-2 |
| 17:19.40 | jelly | RaphGroHS: run "apt-get update" and try again. |
| 17:19.53 | lmat | de-facto: I ran cat /etc/debian_version; and it says 9.7. |
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| 17:20.12 | lmat | de-facto: Oh, I'm using stretch-slim! |
| 17:20.17 | jelly | lmat: wait until they're rebuilt, then? |
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| 17:21.10 | de-facto | lmat browse the tags https://hub.docker.com/_/debian?tab=tags |
| 17:21.31 | de-facto | looks like 9.7 might be the latest ? idk |
| 17:21.45 | lmat | de-facto: okay. That matches my experience. |
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| 17:26.08 | de-facto | what does "dh: No packages to build." on "dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -a armhf" mean? |
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| 17:27.20 | RaphGroHS | jelly: well, I'm not that familiar with debian system, so ... |
| 17:27.30 | de-facto | when i change to -a armhf it displays that on every target |
| 17:28.00 | RaphGroHS | apt update hangs at Holen:79 http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian stretch/non-free arm64 Contents (deb) [731 kB] |
| 17:28.10 | domovoy | hi |
| 17:28.13 | RaphGroHS | ok, it continues. |
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| 17:28.48 | de-facto | RaphGroHS, are you behind a proxy? maybe you can investigate with --print-uris and curl -I ? |
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| 17:30.11 | domovoy | de-facto> is the debian package made to build on armhf? do you have the cross-compiler installed? |
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| 17:30.31 | de-facto | domovoy, its my own package, trying to make it crosscompile |
| 17:31.22 | de-facto | e.g. https://wiki.debian.org/CrossCompiling#Building_with_dpkg-buildpackage |
| 17:31.38 | domovoy | de-facto> i'm not that familiar with debian packages, but i believe you need the cross-compiler/toolchain to cross build for armhs, and the debian rules/whatever ready to handle it |
| 17:32.26 | de-facto | yes i can make it with the "dpkg --add-architecture armhf" "apt-get update" and "apt-get install build-essential crossbuild-essential-armhf" |
| 17:32.49 | de-facto | its a dpkg-buildpackage thing i guess |
| 17:33.32 | de-facto | I am even exporting CC, LD and STRIP for it before dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 17:33.54 | domovoy | de-facto> the i believe the problem is in debian/(control|rules|something), you need to tell dpkg-buildpackage that this sources _does_ create a package for armhf |
| 17:34.29 | de-facto | ah thats a good guess, where would i have to add that arch in there? |
| 17:34.30 | domovoy | or an architecture independant package |
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| 17:35.15 | domovoy | de-facto> my best advice: google debian maintainer guide |
| 17:35.25 | de-facto | that was it :))) |
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| 17:36.11 | de-facto | domovoy, thanks it was in debian/control Architecture: armhf |
| 17:36.15 | de-facto | YAY :)) |
| 17:36.29 | domovoy | de-facto> you're welcome |
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| 17:57.26 | RaphGroHS | de-facto: it worked finally. no idea how dns works here |
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| 17:58.08 | de-facto | good to hear it worked :) |
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| 18:03.34 | Deihmos | surprised debian repo does not have docker |
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| 18:05.06 | domovoy | Deihmos> afaik docker have some licensing quirks |
| 18:05.29 | Deihmos | oh |
| 18:05.36 | BCMM | huh, why's it in jessie-backports, but not stretch-backports? |
| 18:05.54 | de-facto | sweet my buildpipeline now produces .deb packages for multiple architectures on "git push --tags" for a release :) |
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| 18:06.10 | melody | BCMM: bug 908603 |
| 18:06.31 | melody | (summary: it's a pain to backport and nobody wants to do it) |
| 18:06.37 | domovoy | BCMM> licensing cleanup between releases? |
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| 18:09.48 | jelly | Deihmos: debian insists on software for a release to be built only using dependencies from that release. That bug report says that's next to impossible with docker and debian stable. |
| 18:10.23 | jelly | if it were a licensing issue it would not be able to appear in testing or unstable or any branch. |
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| 18:15.34 | muhaha | what is difference between xhost vs xserver-xorg-legacy/xwrapper/allowed_users |
| 18:15.51 | greycat | !xhost |
| 18:15.51 | dpkg | xhost is EVIL! There are so many other ways of getting remote X apps to work that xhost should never be needed. For a more sensible approach, use SSH X11 forwarding, ask me about <sshx>. Also see <mit-magic-cookie>, http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/cool_unix/xauth.html <nolisten> and "apt-cache show x11-xserver-utils | grep xhost". To run applications on your local machine as another user, see <root x>. See also <xhost +localhost>. |
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| 18:18.41 | muhaha | ah. I guess that I dont even need xhost.. If its for forwarding or server/client access. |
| 18:20.06 | muhaha | I have systemd service which is running X11 program under user, but there was a problem with permissions, I set chmod ug+s /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg , but seems that xserver-xorg-legacy is proper way how to enable launching x11 under other user, right? |
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| 18:20.42 | greycat | What insane thing are you attempting to do? |
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| 18:21.35 | greycat | This is like an XYZABC problem. |
| 18:21.51 | muhaha | Run X11 app on server https://pastebin.com/TFWNYSEf |
| 18:22.13 | greycat | What app, what server, and what do you expect to actually *do* with this app? |
| 18:22.44 | greycat | Oh wait, this sounds AWFULLY damned familiar. You're... let me guess... attempting some sort of CUDA thing, right? |
| 18:23.37 | greycat | (And once again, people can't just SAY what they're doing for some reason. We have to spend 10 minutes guessing.) |
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| 18:23.41 | muhaha | No, just run Kodi on my openmediavault |
| 18:23.45 | greycat | !kodi |
| 18:23.46 | dpkg | XBMC (formerly Xbox Media Center) is an open source media player application. XBMCbuntu and XBMC Live are Linux distributions based on <Ubuntu> containing XBMC, they are not supported in #debian. XBMC v17 is available in Stretch. http://kodi.tv/ #kodi on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 18:24.14 | muhaha | Thats why I running it with flatpak :) |
| 18:24.29 | greycat | Are you going to control this graphical media-player app from a different computer on your network? |
| 18:24.49 | muhaha | No, its just one server with gpu and hdmi output -> attached to my TV |
| 18:24.56 | petn-randall | muhaha: Why do you want to run it remotely? You know that you'll get 5fps on watching videos due to missing HW acceleration, right? |
| 18:25.06 | muhaha | Its not remotely... |
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| 18:25.17 | greycat | So, what are you trying to DO? |
| 18:25.21 | domovoy | start kodi using its own user (like create a 'kodi' user), |
| 18:25.22 | BCMM | muhaha: are you actually trying to run kodi on a different machine from the one it's displaying on? |
| 18:25.53 | domovoy | i believe there is something like kodi-standalone or whatever made for that |
| 18:25.59 | muhaha | server->(hdmi)->tv |
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| 18:26.12 | greycat | Stop saying "server", if it's clearly not a server. |
| 18:26.17 | petn-randall | muhaha: Let me look at my setup, I had a sensible approach ready. |
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| 18:26.44 | muhaha | Yes, its is, I am running it in flapak https://flatpak.org/ To be able to run latest version without compiling. |
| 18:26.57 | greycat | It can't be a server if there's NO CLIENT. |
| 18:27.07 | domovoy | muhaha> apt-cache show kodi-standalone |
| 18:27.18 | greycat | You keep denying that there is a client workstation that'll be connecting to it. So it's not a server. It's just a PC connected to a Tv. |
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| 18:27.24 | BCMM | i "server" a roundabout way of saying it has no keyboard? |
| 18:27.41 | petn-randall | muhaha: I just installed lightdm, set it to autologin to the user 'kodi', and added "/usr/bin/kodi-standalone\n" to ~kodi/.xsession. |
| 18:27.56 | muhaha | yes... I control kodi with RPC :D ,but its workstation without keyboard, with gpu attached to TV |
| 18:27.56 | BCMM | petn-randall++ |
| 18:28.34 | greycat | "kiosk machine" would be a more appropriate description |
| 18:28.56 | greycat | But yeah, I'm guessing petn-randall's guess that you want an auto-login is a good guess. |
| 18:29.10 | muhaha | I dont know terminus technicus |
| 18:29.12 | greycat | That's typical for kiosk machines. |
| 18:29.19 | greycat | !kiosk |
| 18:29.19 | dpkg | kiosk is probably /bin/su -c "/usr/bin/X11/startx" - kiosk (/usr/sbin/kiosk); kk:2345:respawn:/usr/sbin/kiosk (/etc/inittab); telinit q, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/webkiosk/ |
| 18:29.26 | greycat | Eh. |
| 18:29.26 | domovoy | petn-randall> that's the way, not sure you even need need lightdm, i believe kodi-standalone can be started in an init script (unless things changed) |
| 18:29.38 | greycat | That's ... clearly old (telinit q is not a thing now). |
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| 18:29.53 | Sleaker | cool deadlink |
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| 18:30.15 | muhaha | Look: https://pastebin.com/TFWNYSEf this is working with apt install -y xorg flatpak on fresh debian/ubuntu.... There is one catch |
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| 18:30.18 | Sleaker | greycat: yup, and considering the link is dead.. |
| 18:30.23 | greycat | !factinfo kiosk |
| 18:30.23 | dpkg | kiosk -- last modified at Fri Mar 17 08:45:33 2006 by tarzeau!n=tarzeau@80-219-77-180.dclient.hispeed.ch; it has been requested 33 times, last by greycat, 1m 4s ago. |
| 18:31.10 | muhaha | I had to do chmod ug+s /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg ... thats why I asking if xserver-xorg-legacy is better option to handle suid and what is difference between xhost |
| 18:31.30 | muhaha | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:31.41 | domovoy | muhaha> stop focusing on flatpack: apt-cache show kodi-standalone. This package is _made_ for a standalone kodi instance, which _can_ be started by init |
| 18:31.44 | greycat | There is NO CONCEIVABLE WORLD in whish adding setuid and setgid to the X server is the correct way to PERFORM A SIMPLE AUTO-LOGIN TO A KIOSK APPLICATION. |
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| 18:32.32 | greycat | !xy |
| 18:32.32 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 18:32.53 | greycat | You've dug yourself so far down this rabbit hole.... |
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| 18:33.23 | petn-randall | I'm guessing muhaha wants to use kodi 18, which everyone wants to do. It's now got an interface to libretro! :) |
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| 18:34.50 | domovoy | from what i remember, kodi-standalone is just a wrapper to start the xserver and kodi with the right user, just install it, let it setup the "starting kodi" part, and install whatever kodi version you want, as long as the script has the right path, everything is ok |
| 18:35.26 | muhaha | I have to go, guys. Am I doing something wrong? Its working for me with chmod ug+s /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg (probably also with xserver-xorg-legacy) and provided systemd service using flatpak.. |
| 18:35.31 | greycat | Yes@! |
| 18:35.35 | greycat | YES you are doing EVERYTHING wrong! |
| 18:35.55 | domovoy | +s ?!? o.O |
| 18:36.03 | greycat | I know, right? |
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| 18:36.44 | domovoy | chmod -R ug+rwx / |
| 18:36.54 | greycat | Don't even joke like that. |
| 18:37.00 | domovoy | :) |
| 18:37.07 | petn-randall | You forgot +st |
| 18:37.23 | domovoy | ho, right |
| 18:37.36 | muhaha | oh noe :/ |
| 18:37.42 | muhaha | I have to go. Bye |
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| 18:38.17 | Tenkawa_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.38 | Tenkawa_ | Sorry about that.. mouse hit |
| 18:39.22 | Tenkawa_ | Brb |
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| 18:43.28 | Tenkawa | Much better |
| 18:44.22 | Tenkawa | I can actually see what i'm typing now |
| 18:44.40 | Tenkawa | Thats an improvement |
| 18:45.31 | domovoy | good, i can't, but it's nothing to do with my hardware/software 8) |
| 18:45.59 | Tenkawa | Whats wrong. |
| 18:46.09 | Tenkawa | ? |
| 18:46.11 | domovoy | hmmmm... brain? |
| 18:46.44 | domovoy | beer may be the culprit, jury stillout |
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| 18:47.33 | Tenkawa | Computers + beer ! Mix |
| 18:48.05 | Tenkawa | They do not mix |
| 18:49.24 | domovoy | i need to start brewing again, much better taste. I remember seeing a project about an open-source brewery (hardware + software), anybody see what i mean and have a link? |
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| 18:54.59 | domovoy | somethinglike that https://opensource.com/article/17/7/brewing-beer-python-and-raspberry-pi |
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| 19:01.03 | ws2k3 | im trying to install golang in debian so im following there tutorial which states i need to add export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/go/bin to the bottum of /etc/profile but when i relogin its not in my $PATH so i did a chmod 755 on the file and ran ./profile and it still wasnt in my $PATH but when i just run export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/go/bin then it works, what am i doing wrong here?(i also tryed |
| 19:01.03 | ws2k3 | to relogin) |
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| 19:02.25 | greycat | !dotfiles |
| 19:02.25 | dpkg | hmm... dotfiles is http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles. Remember that changes to these files won't be reflected until you log out and then log back in. Ask me about <bash login scripts>. |
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| 19:02.55 | greycat | Hmm, that's an old page.... |
| 19:03.03 | ws2k3 | greycat i did a logout and a login again |
| 19:03.05 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/EnvironmentVariables |
| 19:03.14 | greycat | *HOW* do you log in? |
| 19:03.21 | domovoy | ws2k3> remember: restarting an x terminal is not the same as relogin |
| 19:03.36 | greycat | Logging in through, say, lightdm does *not* read /etc/profile at all. |
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| 19:04.31 | domovoy | su -l myusername should do it though |
| 19:04.34 | domovoy | right? |
| 19:04.45 | greycat | Irrelevant to the question. |
| 19:04.54 | ws2k3 | greycat ssh logout and login |
| 19:05.12 | greycat | /etc/profile *should* be read by an interactive ssh login. |
| 19:05.32 | greycat | Assuming your account's shell is from the Bourne family, not the csh family. |
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| 19:06.20 | ws2k3 | greycat hmm question. i login as user X and then i do sudo to go to root. maby that has something to do with it? |
| 19:06.36 | greycat | Very likely, yes. |
| 19:06.42 | domovoy | sudodoesn't read profile |
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| 19:07.17 | ws2k3 | i noticed under user X it works and when i do su - then it also works so only not under sudo |
| 19:07.26 | greycat | http://paste.debian.net/1069193/ |
| 19:07.30 | ws2k3 | anyway to get around this to make it also work when i do sudo? |
| 19:07.36 | greycat | As you can see, sudo -i changed the PATH. |
| 19:07.43 | domovoy | 'sudo -i' should |
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| 19:07.58 | greycat | What do you mean by "do sudo"? What EXACTLY are you typing? |
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| 19:08.28 | ws2k3 | sudo su |
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| 19:08.40 | ws2k3 | i know. its a bad habit |
| 19:08.43 | domovoy | sudo -i |
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| 19:09.02 | greycat | Again, sudo -i changes the PATH. It seems he doesn't want that. |
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| 19:09.17 | greycat | I'm not expert enough with sudo to say what he *should* do in order to retain his PATH. |
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| 19:10.05 | domovoy | afaik profile is only relevant in a _login_shell, which to get with sudo is 'sudo -i' |
| 19:11.11 | domovoy | the other solution is to use the shell script (like /etc/bash.bashrc) which is used for _all_ shell instance startup |
| 19:11.14 | greycat | ... ok, I guess that could have the desired result ("have X in PATH" rather than "keep my current PATH") |
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| 19:11.54 | greycat | So, try sudo -i, which is what you should have been doing all along, and see if that works. |
| 19:12.14 | ws2k3 | thanks! |
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| 19:15.03 | domovoy | ws2k3> if PATH should be modified for _all_ users, modify /home/*/.profile and /etc/skel/.profile, if only for user 'foo', /home/foo/.profile |
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| 19:17.06 | domovoy | if for root only /root/.profile |
| 19:17.20 | domovoy | when is /etc/profile really used? |
| 19:17.36 | greycat | domovoy: I disagree. If you want to affect all users, use /etc/profile or /etc/profile.d/*.sh |
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| 19:18.08 | domovoy | greycat> these are used if ~/.profile exists ? |
| 19:18.11 | greycat | Yes. |
| 19:18.15 | domovoy | ok |
| 19:18.20 | domovoy | good to know |
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| 19:18.29 | greycat | /etc/profile is read first, and then ~/.profile (or similar) is read second, which can override the system's defaults. As is proper. |
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| 19:18.44 | domovoy | makes sense |
| 19:19.05 | greycat | If you think "But I don't WANT people to override the defaults! I must control them all!" then you are using the wrong operating system. |
| 19:19.12 | greycat | (Sadly, we get people like that.) |
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| 19:20.57 | domovoy | yeah i know that, the path for config is "set the system defaults, modify with user preferences" |
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| 19:21.45 | greycat | Yeah, I'm speaking to the room as a whole, not you individually. |
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| 19:30.08 | domovoy | i often thought about a /config directory, with /config/(defaults|groups|users). but i guess /etc and /home are good enough (excepted for groups config, which would be cool) |
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| 19:39.05 | jhutchins_wk | Anybody have an spf record I could look at? |
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| 19:40.41 | domovoy | jhutchins_wk> what's the problem? |
| 19:41.32 | vvor | jhutchins_wk: https://mxtoolbox.com/spf.aspx |
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| 19:43.46 | domovoy | thing is, i never coul get a mail server to pass every "spam" filter from the big companies (google, yahoo, whatever). spf, dkim, no luck, some (not all?) addresses from my domains always have troubles |
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| 19:44.17 | mawk | me too domovoy |
| 19:44.19 | mawk | for hotmail |
| 19:44.27 | mawk | google it's fine if the *contents* don't look like spam |
| 19:44.33 | mawk | but with hotmail I'm being dropped no matter what |
| 19:44.46 | mawk | hotmail says 250 OK mail accepted, but on the other side I'm not even in the spam folder |
| 19:44.52 | mawk | maybe they don't like the IP range |
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| 19:45.04 | domovoy | yahoo is the worst, it even refuses to _send_ mails to some of my mail boxes |
| 19:45.18 | mawk | lol |
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| 19:46.32 | domovoy | you begin to even wonder "what's the use of spf and dkim then?", but if you don't use them, it's worse |
| 19:46.46 | diogenes_ | Hello guys, what would be the command that will look for .doc files in all folders and once found it will copy them to a given direcotyr? |
| 19:46.53 | diogenes_ | directory* |
| 19:47.03 | domovoy | diogenes_> man find |
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| 19:47.26 | greycat | find . -type f -name '*.doc' -exec cp --target-directory=/foobar {} + |
| 19:47.43 | diogenes_ | greycat, thank you! that was fast :) |
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| 19:48.11 | jhutchins_wk | vvor: It's easy enough to pull with dig, I just need a domain that has one, preferably not using the remote spf file. |
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| 19:49.53 | greycat | gmail.com has one |
| 19:50.07 | greycat | I am feeling like you didn't even TRY. |
| 19:50.15 | domovoy | greycat _is_ fast ^^ |
| 19:50.45 | jhutchins_wk | gmail has one that referernces _spf.google.com |
| 19:51.07 | domovoy | jhutchins_wk> so, back to square one: what is the question? |
| 19:51.13 | jhutchins_wk | The server I'm using doesn't have any spf setup. |
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| 19:51.35 | domovoy | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sender_Policy_Framework#Implementation |
| 19:51.41 | jhutchins_wk | domovoy: I don't understand the correct syntax for forwarding to a private server with no spf set up on it. |
| 19:52.29 | domovoy | spf doesn't forward,it _verifies_ the sender is "almost correct" |
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| 19:53.02 | greycat | SPF is a method for an email sender to say "if you get a message that claims to be from my domain, but it didn't come from one of these IPs, then it's probably fake". |
| 19:53.03 | domovoy | your server can forward |
| 19:55.05 | greycat | I guess I should say "a domain owner to say..." rather than "an email sender to say...". |
| 19:55.45 | jhutchins_wk | domovoy: I understand what it is and what it does. I don't understand the +include:spf.hostname.org |
| 19:56.39 | domovoy | yeah like "i'm sending a mail from foo.bar.com" but the domain says "i only use these ips to send mail, so the one you received is not from me" |
| 19:57.26 | greycat | jhutchins_wk: it's like #include in C, or source in bash. |
| 19:57.34 | domovoy | jhutchins_wk> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sender_Policy_Framework#Mechanisms "INCLUDE References the policy of another domain. If that domain's policy passes, this mechanism passes. However, if the included policy fails, processing continues. To fully delegate to another domain's policy, the redirect extension must be used." |
| 19:58.06 | jhutchins_wk | What I had was v=spf1 ip4:<target IP>/32 mx:<targethostname> ~all |
| 19:58.20 | jhutchins_wk | It did not appear to be working |
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| 19:59.26 | domovoy | jhutchins_wk> why not just use mx? |
| 19:59.46 | domovoy | ie: v=spf1 mx -all |
| 19:59.47 | jhutchins_wk | So how is the remote policy get set up? |
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| 20:00.56 | domovoy | all mails from an ip which reverse resolve to the mx for the claimed domain are valid, you can set as many mx as you want |
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| 20:02.40 | jhutchins_wk | I only need to set one. It is not the MX record for my domain. My MX is a different external server. |
| 20:02.56 | jhutchins_wk | My originating server/domain does not have RDNS. |
| 20:03.41 | jhutchins_wk | My target server does not have any SPF configuration, just the exim configuration allowing forwarding for my originating server. |
| 20:04.39 | domovoy | so if i get you right: machine -> target (no spf, exim forward) -> recipient (full mail server, spf) ? |
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| 20:08.03 | domovoy | why not: machine -> recipient ? |
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| 20:21.38 | jhutchins_wk | domovoy: machine is on a consumer network IP. recipient's configuration is "any" - general email. |
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| 20:23.05 | domovoy | so, recipient is out of your control, and you want target (relay) to be accepted by it? |
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| 20:40.40 | jhutchins_wk | Right. Sorry for the lag. |
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| 21:14.40 | otyugh | hey. Weird question : is it possible to update the initramfs from a chrooted environement ? |
| 21:15.06 | greycat | Either you have access to the file that it's in, or you don't. |
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| 21:15.48 | otyugh | I do have access to everything, but it gives me errors I don't understand :/ |
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| 21:16.33 | otyugh | "run-parts: /etc/initramfs/post-update.d//flash-kernel exited with return code 1" |
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| 21:16.52 | greycat | nothing before that? |
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| 21:17.40 | greycat | I don't even *have* an /etc/initramfs/ directory, nor do I have any file named "flash-kernel" according to locate. |
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| 21:18.32 | otyugh | I'm on a A20-olinuxino-micro with debian stretch that uses uboot, maybe it has some few differences ? |
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| 21:18.55 | otyugh | ton answer to your previous question : no error before but "E: Can not write log (Is /dev/pts mounted?) - posix_openpt (19: No such device)" |
| 21:19.22 | greycat | Sounds like a thing you should be following up on. |
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| 21:19.42 | greycat | (in whatever channel supports a "A20-olinuxino-micro", whatever THAT is.) |
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| 21:20.52 | otyugh | is this channel only for "i368/amd64" arch ? |
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| 21:21.08 | greycat | Well, the question is whether you're running Debian, or something else like Raspbian. |
| 21:21.22 | otyugh | it's 100% pure debian |
| 21:22.00 | greycat | Is /dev/pts mounted? |
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| 21:23.10 | otyugh | from the chroot perspective, nah |
| 21:23.45 | greycat | !chroot |
| 21:23.45 | dpkg | To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --rbind --make-rslave /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target". |
| 21:23.49 | otyugh | I tried to use "mount --bind /dev chroot/dev" with no better result thought |
| 21:24.38 | otyugh | ...Thanks. :) |
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| 21:28.47 | Ede|Popede | mount's manpage is really confusing here. _olddir_ and _newdir_ aren't really appropriate. had to remount myself this evening. |
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| 21:29.57 | otyugh | Same errors :/ |
| 21:30.59 | greycat | Well, I'd start by mounting /dev/pts since that's what it asked for. |
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| 21:31.16 | otyugh | with --bind ? |
| 21:31.30 | greycat | Yeah, same procedure as the others. |
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| 21:36.50 | jhutchins_wk | domovoy: Still around? |
| 21:37.01 | domovoy | jhutchins_wk> yep |
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| 21:37.24 | jhutchins_wk | Yes, your last summary is correct. |
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| 21:39.27 | jhutchins_wk | So what I was asking for is if someone else is relaying through a private server and had an spf record, could I please dig your domain and see what yours looks like? |
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| 21:39.43 | otyugh | (sorry for the wait, it's not a fast board) - Okay the error is no more. But the last one interrupting everything while uodating initramfs. I tried "update-initramfs -uv" ton know more. Here is the output of both : https://paste.debian.net/1069217/ |
| 21:40.11 | domovoy | jhutchins_wk> make target a full mail server, it is what it is after all, make it a MX responsible for delivering mails from machine, with a spdif and dkim |
| 21:41.24 | jhutchins_wk | domovoy: It doesn't have those, but it's been relaying my mail for years now. |
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| 21:42.48 | jhutchins_wk | The only destination I'm having trouble with these days is gmail, and I think that's a separate issue. I was just trying to do this because you're supposed to use SPF if you're relaying your outbound mail. |
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| 21:45.32 | outoftime | I have installed i3 and logged in with it. Everything fine except network manager. I had Gnome before |
| 21:47.01 | jsubl2 | outoftime nmtui is normally installed with network manager. try it |
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| 21:50.08 | outoftime | jsubl2: thanks it works now |
| 21:50.18 | jsubl2 | outoftime: :) |
| 21:50.53 | outoftime | jsubl2: do you have an idea what was wrong? |
| 21:51.32 | jsubl2 | no.. just that you weren't aware of nmtui |
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| 21:52.31 | jsubl2 | i run i3 as well so.. nmtui is what i use |
| 21:52.44 | DoomPatrol | uses nmcli |
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| 21:53.31 | jsubl2 | I tried nmcli.. could not quite get the syntax down |
| 21:53.38 | jsubl2 | nmtui is easy |
| 21:55.25 | outoftime | jsubl2: do you have script for auto connection on login or so? |
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| 21:56.07 | jsubl2 | nmtui is a one time deal. unless you connect to different nets |
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| 21:58.29 | outoftime | jsubl2: how would you search and connect to wifi networks? |
| 21:59.20 | jsubl2 | add connection - select wifi - basic config - back to previous screen - activate connection. it ask for password - boom your in |
| 22:00.40 | jsubl2 | thats from memory. soooo. good luck |
| 22:01.09 | otyugh | greycat, nevermind, found a solution (on a project using heavely the olinuxinos) - thanks for your time, I learned a bit about correct chrooting :) |
| 22:01.46 | otyugh | (for the record if any would fall on the same problem as I : https://forum.yunohost.org/t/brique-ne-demarre-plus-apres-migration/7152/9) |
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| 22:17.57 | zumba_addict | hi all. I need to install ncat. However, I'm not sure which package it is included |
| 22:18.26 | greycat | ,file bin/ncat |
| 22:18.29 | judd | Search for bin/ncat in stretch/amd64: nmap: usr/bin/ncat |
| 22:18.38 | greycat | package "nmap" |
| 22:18.41 | zumba_addict | wow |
| 22:18.47 | zumba_addict | ,file bin/ncat |
| 22:18.51 | judd | Search for bin/ncat in stretch/amd64: nmap: usr/bin/ncat |
| 22:18.54 | zumba_addict | sweet! |
| 22:19.04 | zumba_addict | thank you! |
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| 22:42.55 | Deihmos | by default debian launches all apps in fullscreen and i can't find a way to disable it |
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| 22:46.38 | Ede|Popede | Deihmos: that's up to the window manager. |
| 22:47.19 | Deihmos | is there no setting available ? |
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| 22:55.36 | vvor | Deihmos: your WM? |
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| 23:00.41 | uniqdom | Hello. I want to setup a VM using Virt-manager. The machine is up and running, but i'm fighting to setup the network. The host machine is connected over WIFI using wlo1 interface. I have seen some /etc/networking/interface example config files where I had to setup a bridge interface. This is what I have: https://paste.debian.net/1069234/ |
| 23:01.04 | uniqdom | I'm using wlo1 in bridge_ports. is that ok? |
| 23:01.39 | uniqdom | wlo1 is in the same network of br0. but it uses the ip 192.168.1.211 |
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| 23:04.06 | esr | I have some software I would like to see packaged for Debian. Is there an approved channel on which to trey to recruit a package maintainer? |
| 23:12.52 | jmcnaught | uniqdom: I've never done a bridge on a wifi interface, but it looks like there's a little more involved with it: https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections#Bridging_with_a_wireless_NIC |
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| 23:14.01 | fundatillus | esr: There's some info on the debian.org website, but the general process is to make your request on the proper mailing list. |
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| 23:14.14 | uniqdom | jmcnaught: thanks. I will just use a cable and go with eth0 |
| 23:14.23 | jmcnaught | !rfp |
| 23:14.23 | dpkg | Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, a RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ", ask me about <wnpp>. The best way of getting software packaged is to do it yourself: ask me about <nmg>. |
| 23:14.28 | jmcnaught | esr: ^^ |
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| 23:15.02 | fundatillus | jmcnaught: Well explained. |
| 23:16.10 | esr | jmcnaught: Thank you. |
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| 23:47.01 | Netham46 | Sanity check: If I set an interface up like 'iface enp10s0 inet manual' it's not going to send any packets what-so-ever, right? Nothing to the rest of the network that would have it's MAC or anything? |
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| 23:47.44 | RoyK | why? |
| 23:48.24 | Netham46 | My cable modem likes to latch on to the first MAC it sees and not output to any other ones unless it's rebooted. |
| 23:48.51 | mawk | yes Netham46 |
| 23:48.59 | mawk | you can ensure that by doing up ip link set $IFACE down |
| 23:49.03 | Netham46 | Before I'm able to get it to properly respond to DHCP to a VM I'm having to power cycle the modem then reboot the VM. |
| 23:49.10 | Netham46 | Cool, ty |
| 23:49.22 | mawk | by doing that in the iface block I mean |
| 23:49.24 | mawk | not as a command |
| 23:49.27 | Netham46 | yea\ |
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| 23:51.32 | Netham46 | Hm, I just realized why CARP never worked right. |
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