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| 00:20.04 | BenderRodriguez | Netham46: http://ebtables.netfilter.org/ |
| 00:20.16 | BenderRodriguez | but you probably don't need to |
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| 00:55.47 | shibboleth | will buster be systemd? |
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| 01:02.08 | booyah | god pleas no |
| 01:02.23 | booyah | shibboleth: but probably sadly yes. well, #devuan exists I guess.. |
| 01:03.59 | awal1 | shibboleth, systemd is default init system since jessie and will be until for next releases until booyah offers a better alternative :P |
| 01:04.13 | shibboleth | iniyt |
| 01:04.59 | booyah | what was wrong with initd? |
| 01:05.03 | awal1 | do you have problems with systemd? |
| 01:05.11 | booyah | desides not being co-created with help of debian wymyn |
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| 01:05.23 | booyah | awal1: yes |
| 01:05.35 | awal1 | which problem? |
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| 01:05.51 | booyah | since move to systemd, many of computers I use, have now trouble starting up and shutting down |
| 01:06.03 | booyah | and same was confirmed by people I know |
| 01:06.18 | awal1 | which kind of problems? |
| 01:06.45 | booyah | long startup, waiting for llvm/dm (on systems with encrypted disk, yes of course despite password being entered quickly) |
| 01:06.56 | booyah | and system taking long time, or never being able to shut down |
| 01:07.08 | booyah | *lvm |
| 01:07.27 | oiaohm | booyah: you could run into startup and shutdown trouble with sysvinit as well. |
| 01:07.30 | booyah | plus I've seen more then 1 security advisory in systemd already afair |
| 01:07.52 | booyah | oiaohm: before move to systemd, during many years, I never seen a debian computer that was hanging instead shutting dowqn |
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| 01:08.21 | oiaohm | booyah: I have had sysvinit destroy database instead of wait like systemd would have. |
| 01:08.27 | awal1 | systemd have bugs sure but it still like a new project, it is work in progress, it may be better in the future |
| 01:08.53 | awal1 | but according to dd's and ttc it is better than sysvinit |
| 01:08.55 | booyah | awal1: I do not want a new thing in my debian |
| 01:08.58 | oiaohm | booyah: systemd harms you one way on shutdown and sysvinit harms you anotgher way. |
| 01:08.59 | booyah | I want a thing that works |
| 01:09.08 | booyah | no need to reinvent initd |
| 01:09.21 | oiaohm | Yes there is a need to reivent initd |
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| 01:09.26 | oiaohm | cgroup tracking |
| 01:09.35 | booyah | oiaohm: you mean higher security? |
| 01:09.36 | awal1 | i believe debian dd's did a better choice |
| 01:09.38 | booyah | so far it had less |
| 01:09.47 | oiaohm | booyah: not as higher security. |
| 01:09.54 | booyah | oiaohm: so what for? |
| 01:09.58 | awal1 | i am not an expert on sysv/systemd but i am confident with what dd's did |
| 01:10.03 | oiaohm | So that I know that a service has complete stopped is why I want cgroup tracking. |
| 01:10.22 | booyah | oiaohm: initd status exists... |
| 01:10.26 | oiaohm | Not have like a forked off chield under sysvinit holding some file causing the service not to be able to restart. |
| 01:10.49 | oiaohm | booyah: initd status will tell you a service is stop when a forked off chield of that service is still holding a critical file. |
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| 01:10.56 | oiaohm | so the service cannot start |
| 01:11.08 | oiaohm | and now you are playing hunt the process list for the pest. |
| 01:11.25 | booyah | anyway it's retarded it's 2019, we have USA space force division in army, we have car sent to space, but my PC can not shut down |
| 01:11.55 | awal1 | :D |
| 01:12.14 | oiaohm | I do agree but we have not had a init system of any form that would always safely shutdown. |
| 01:12.18 | booyah | I bet Curiosity did better job shutting down on lower power on Mars, then my PC does undere Debian 9 |
| 01:12.37 | oiaohm | booyah: No it did not. |
| 01:13.04 | oiaohm | booyah: they had to force reboot from earth Curiousity about 10 times and then run it without ever shutting down. |
| 01:13.49 | oiaohm | booyah: turns out shutdown a system is not easy. |
| 01:14.30 | oiaohm | Some services designed for sysvinit presume that init system will drop a sledge hammer on them so causes stalls as systemd attempts to wait for them. |
| 01:15.00 | oiaohm | Waiting was added to attempt to avoid data loss from like of killing postgresql or mysql too fast. |
| 01:15.25 | awal1 | looks like sysvinit just kills the process not halting, it doesn't care about losing data or similar stuff, and seems that systemd tries to do stuff correctly and sometimes it hangs |
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| 01:16.49 | oiaohm | awal1: exactly and both paths have different trade offs. |
| 01:17.34 | awal1 | what bothers me a bit with systemd is unit services, now almost all pkgs should have one and that makes my boot slower |
| 01:17.41 | booyah | oh yeah |
| 01:17.53 | booyah | it is so much better when I have to cut off power |
| 01:17.57 | booyah | thanks systemd |
| 01:18.12 | jmcnaught | booyah: how did you shutdown? |
| 01:18.12 | awal1 | apart that i think i am more served with systemd than sysv |
| 01:18.16 | booyah | (obviously kill -9 is better) |
| 01:18.20 | booyah | jmcnaught: shutdown -h now |
| 01:18.55 | jmcnaught | booyah: systemd takes a more literal interpretation of "halt". use poweroff instead |
| 01:18.58 | oiaohm | booyah: kill -9 is what sysvinit does. |
| 01:19.34 | oiaohm | booyah: what is not particular nice todo to databases at times. |
| 01:19.53 | awal1 | my system poweroff in less than 5 seconds |
| 01:20.00 | jmcnaught | or just "shutdown" |
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| 01:20.23 | oiaohm | I find systems with systemd where I am running no legecay crap shutdown quite fast. |
| 01:20.27 | awal1 | exceptionally it lates bcoz of a given process not halting, usually dm or nm related |
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| 01:21.30 | oiaohm | Checking out the services that caused stalls with systemd you normally find they are sysvinit style runscripts who stop does not in fact stop everything. |
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| 01:22.20 | oiaohm | Mostly I have found systemd on shutdown has forced me to fix buggy sysvinit scripts that I did not know where buggy due to sysvinit sledge hammer. |
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| 01:23.15 | awal1 | booyah, as end users we have not choice using default, there isn't serious alternatives to Lennart and redhat stuff for now; so you know... |
| 01:24.50 | awal1 | anyway, we may have soon a new *nix based system systemdboot + system +gnome :P |
| 01:25.07 | awal1 | systemd +systemd + gnome |
| 01:25.23 | oiaohm | Really for most of the sysvinit time frame we did not have serous competition either. |
| 01:25.54 | awal1 | shit, i mean systemd boot (not sure how is called , mayb eit will replace linux) + systemd + gnome |
| 01:26.11 | oiaohm | linuxboot |
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| 01:27.54 | awal1 | ,v firewalld |
| 01:27.55 | judd | Package: firewalld on amd64 -- jessie: 0.3.12-1; stretch: 0.4.4.2-1; sid: 0.6.3-4; buster: 0.6.3-5 |
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| 01:28.24 | awal1 | ,v gummiboot |
| 01:28.25 | judd | Package: gummiboot on amd64 -- jessie: 45-2 |
| 01:28.33 | awal1 | ,v systemd-boot |
| 01:28.34 | judd | No package named 'systemd-boot' was found in amd64. |
| 01:28.49 | oiaohm | awal1: https://www.linuxboot.org/ facebook work, |
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| 01:29.22 | awal1 | ok |
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| 01:31.08 | oiaohm | http://u-root.tk/ add in google work. |
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| 01:31.21 | oiaohm | This has to be the most min boot system you will find on Linux at the moment. |
| 01:31.43 | oiaohm | But it does not do much either. |
| 01:31.53 | awal1 | libreboot look fine too, never tried it |
| 01:32.16 | awal1 | well, that is for replace bios (and uefi?) i think |
| 01:33.30 | oiaohm | libreboot is coreboot gutted of blobs so reduced hardware support. |
| 01:34.01 | awal1 | yep |
| 01:34.01 | oiaohm | Linuxboot and u-root combination is more realistic on what can be done in the short term. |
| 01:34.45 | oiaohm | Like the libre kernels have the same problem. |
| 01:35.05 | oiaohm | They like to forgot hardware can have hard coded in firmware fallbacks that are basically not updated blobs. |
| 01:35.44 | oiaohm | So not having to upload blob and a bit of hardware works that would have otherwise required a blob is basically running older less secure firmware. |
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| 01:52.40 | mek42_laptop | how do I figure out which repo this package is in? (which repo do I need to add?) https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/nix_2.2.1-2.html |
| 01:53.58 | outoftime | ,file bin/nix |
| 01:54.01 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
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| 02:00.15 | jmcnaught | mek42_laptop: it will be in unstable first, but you can't install unstable or testing packages on Debian stable without breaking things. You might be able to backport the package though |
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| 02:20.02 | mek42_laptop | do I need to reboot after apt upgrade from stretch to testing? (and subsequently to sid?) |
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| 02:20.47 | dvs | mek42_laptop, why are you going to sid? |
| 02:20.59 | mek42_laptop | to get nix |
| 02:21.05 | dvs | ,v nix |
| 02:21.06 | judd | No package named 'nix' was found in amd64. |
| 02:21.33 | dvs | no such package |
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| 02:22.09 | mek42_laptop | ah - is there a way to figure out which repo it is in from https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/nix_2.2.1-2.html ? |
| 02:23.08 | dvs | mek42_laptop, well testing and unstable are pretty close in versions so it would make much difference to go to unstable. |
| 02:24.01 | dvs | There's still no package named "nix" |
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| 02:25.09 | mek42_laptop | if it is a new package, is there someplace it would live before unstable? |
| 02:25.28 | dvs | dunno |
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| 02:25.52 | mek42_laptop | ok, ty for doing the package search before I upgraded to sid :) |
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| 02:46.54 | jim | on a stretch box, how can I start using ACLs? |
| 02:47.09 | jim | (doc urls welcome as usual) |
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| 03:23.35 | AtTheLoj | anyone know how to use ranger to bulk rename |
| 03:23.46 | AtTheLoj | right now i am using y$ to select all files in a folder |
| 03:24.03 | AtTheLoj | and then :bulkrename but it says "no renaming to be done!" |
| 03:24.06 | AtTheLoj | am i being stupid |
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| 03:59.00 | de-facto | where would a new .deb install its systemd program.service files to? |
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| 04:00.39 | de-facto | ah i see /lib/systemd/system/program.service |
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| 04:37.33 | outoftime | How to change keyboard layout using terminal? |
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| 04:42.23 | tarzeau | outoftime: setxkbmap in X |
| 04:42.27 | tarzeau | outoftime: otherwise loadkeys |
| 04:42.45 | tarzeau | try us for example or fr to get a braindead layout |
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| 04:47.32 | Marz | the debian installer does not for the file for efi boot |
| 04:47.49 | Marz | grubx64.efi is missing |
| 04:49.17 | awal1 | outoftime, setxkbmap, as you have been told. example: " setxkbmap -layout es " for chose spanish |
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| 05:05.54 | outoftime | awal1: can I select "next" keyboard layout ? |
| 05:06.11 | awal1 | next? |
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| 05:08.04 | outoftime | awal1: I had gnome and installed i3. In i3 there are menu which displays 2 layouts I can switch with my mouse, when I'm using `setxkbmap` I can specify layout, but I can not assign that command for shortcut to circle layouts |
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| 05:09.22 | outoftime | awal1: more over, after executing `setxkbmap` readline stops working for therminal input, shortcust like Ctrl+U, Ctrl+D, etc. |
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| 05:11.58 | awal1 | outoftime, i have no clue about how i3 wm works or how/where is configured, so can't be much of help |
| 05:12.26 | outoftime | awal1: what about gnome? |
| 05:13.38 | awal1 | i use openbo. for openbox i will be just as follow (example): |
| 05:14.01 | awal1 | <keybind key="W-t"> |
| 05:14.01 | awal1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:14.01 | awal1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:14.01 | awal1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:14.01 | awal1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:14.45 | awal1 | i have no clue about gnome |
| 05:14.48 | outoftime | awal1: just curios what internals can be used to circle layouts, use `echo hello | nc termbin.com 9999` |
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| 05:15.25 | awal1 | you have to figure out how i3 is configured |
| 05:16.15 | awal1 | create a shortcut to cal setxkbmap in the correct config file |
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| 05:18.17 | awal1 | in my example i 'll use windows(super9 key + t for apply spanish layout via setxkbmap |
| 05:19.04 | awal1 | so just google how you create keybindings/shortcuts in i3 and in which file |
| 05:19.16 | awal1 | sleep time here. bye and good luck |
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| 06:45.18 | perseiver | Hello I have made lots of changes to 'iptable'. Now, some features is blocked. I want to reset the iptables to original state |
| 06:45.44 | perseiver | How to do reset the iptables to back state for Debian Server.? |
| 06:46.36 | perseiver | Earlier i tried to stop the iptables and due to that I was not able to reach the server anymore. So I have to ask my VPS provider to restart it manually |
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| 06:46.57 | perseiver | Is there any safe method to reset iptables or stop Debian firewall. Just for local testing |
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| 06:49.18 | tarzeau | remove the fw software? iptables --flush usually? |
| 06:49.55 | cubemonkey | Is there a preferred or official method of sharing the cache files for apt-get? I know Ubuntu has apt-p2p, and I could possibly fake it by sharing a common cache directory betwen a series of machines. I know I could also build a proxy. I'm hoping to avoid building the proxy, and suspect that sharing a common cache directory could cause unforseen problems. Thoughts/ideas/warnings/..? |
| 06:50.36 | rudi_s | perseiver: You must be careful, because although --flush will remove all rules, if you changed the default policy, you might lock yourself out. |
| 06:51.14 | rudi_s | iptables-save and ip6tables save to a file, remove all rules and ensure the default policy is ACCEPT for all chains. Then use iptables-restore < file to apply the (now empty) firewall. |
| 06:51.19 | perseiver | yes rudi_s, that's why I am very careful, need suggestion from expert. |
| 06:51.33 | rudi_s | Or better, just manipulate the resulting file to block what you want and apply it. |
| 06:51.51 | rudi_s | And if you got everything working, install iptables-persistent so the rules are automatically enabled on boot. |
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| 06:52.03 | rudi_s | (But only after you made sure they are working ;-)) |
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| 06:52.31 | perseiver | ok rudi_s, I just want to stop all iptables rule that I have set and make it to basic level. |
| 06:54.28 | rudi_s | perseiver: Then do what I wrote above. Or (if you have no persistent rules configured somewhere) reboot the host. |
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| 06:58.58 | perseiver | ok |
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| 07:07.13 | perseiver | I have updated some package from SID main repository, and some program not working as earlier. I don't know how to rollback all package back to Stretch repository |
| 07:07.54 | perseiver | Is there a way to find out which package is installed via SID and accordingly, I run command to install the package from Stretch main repository? |
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| 07:10.11 | rudi_s | !frankendebian |
| 07:10.11 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
| 07:11.08 | rudi_s | perseiver: You can do that (for example with apt-forktracer) but if you mix packages from different releases and don't know what you're doing, you're on your own. Try backports or careful pinning in the future. |
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| 07:13.13 | perseiver | ok |
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| 07:15.40 | Haxxa | I want to setup ISCSI I assume target-cli is the best tool for this? I head there were other options too? |
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| 07:26.15 | de-facto | Trying to build a new package but lintian dislikes my location: udev-rule-in-etc etc/udev/rules.d/60-program.rules |
| 07:26.22 | de-facto | where else should i place it then? |
| 07:27.50 | de-facto | is /lib/udev/rules.d a better place maybe? |
| 07:29.09 | rudi_s | de-facto: Yes. |
| 07:30.05 | petn-randall | de-facto: Depends on for whom you're building the package. For Debian you should change this, if it's your personal package, you can do whatever you like. |
| 07:31.22 | de-facto | yes i know, i just try to do the right thing |
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| 07:34.40 | petn-randall | de-facto: FYI, there's also #debian-mentors, if you're interested in packaging things for Debian. It's more catered towards helping out people with packaging questions (though it's still fine to ask here). |
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| 07:36.22 | de-facto | thank you i will look into there some day :) |
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| 07:39.27 | n4dir | and if you don't package for debian, but for yourself, there is #packaging (iirc) |
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| 07:56.37 | Haxxa | uh any ideas: https://paste.debian.net/1069287/ |
| 07:56.47 | Haxxa | dpkg: error processing package python3-rtslib-fb |
| 07:56.48 | dpkg | haxxa: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 07:57.12 | Haxxa | dpkg, goat |
| 07:57.12 | dpkg | billy goat gates is pecked by penguin..you loose|<reply>two billy gates goats...how very unattractive |
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| 08:11.34 | Haxxa | anyone :/ |
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| 08:22.23 | petn-randall | Haxxa: Have you checked the BTS if the bug is already reported? |
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| 08:29.22 | Haxxa | petn-randall, yes it is not |
| 08:29.34 | Haxxa | I am just going to use tgt I think isntead |
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| 08:35.04 | Haxxa | actually tgt seems abadoned |
| 08:35.12 | Haxxa | what to do now! |
| 08:35.13 | petn-randall | Haxxa: What's the complete journaltctl output from that service? It looks like a truncated backtrace from what I can see. |
| 08:36.08 | Haxxa | petn-randall, https://paste.debian.net/1069294/ |
| 08:37.26 | petn-randall | Haxxa: That's *not* the journalctl output. |
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| 08:37.49 | petn-randall | Haxxa: `journalctl -u rtslib-fb-targetctl.service` |
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| 08:38.59 | Haxxa | petn-randall, https://paste.debian.net/1069295/ |
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| 08:40.23 | petn-randall | "errors = RTSRoot().restore_from_file(restore_file=from_file)", sounds like you have a file on your system that's causing it to crash. |
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| 08:40.51 | Haxxa | I don't see how |
| 08:41.50 | Haxxa | isn't in _create_in_cfs_ine the offending fucntion |
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| 08:42.22 | Haxxa | also what other alternatives do I have I have to get iSCSI working |
| 08:42.45 | Haxxa | thats the key error |
| 08:42.46 | Haxxa | rtslib_fb.utils.RTSLibError: Could not create ISCSIFabricModule in configFS |
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| 08:51.11 | muhaha | greycat ping |
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| 08:58.31 | fling | Can't I downgrade from sid? |
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| 08:59.03 | at0m | !downgrade |
| 08:59.03 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 09:02.17 | n4dir | fling: what you sometimes can do is change from sid to testing and then just wait. Right now testing is frozen to be the next stable, so ... rather not |
| 09:02.41 | fling | n4dir: tell me more please |
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| 09:03.32 | n4dir | more? that is pretty much all. You change to testing, most packages, sooner or later, will go from sid to testing, so after a while you would be running testing, not stable |
| 09:03.58 | n4dir | but when testing is frozen, packages don't go from sid to testing (easily), hence it won't work right now |
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| 09:04.21 | n4dir | or at least it will take so long, that you would better just reinstall. in my opinion, of course. |
| 09:04.33 | n4dir | makes a bit of sense now? |
| 09:05.43 | fling | Is this bad? -> https://ispire.me/downgrade-from-debian-sid-to-stable-from-jessie-to-wheezy/ |
| 09:05.58 | fling | I can always rollback a snapshot if something will go wrong |
| 09:06.14 | fling | I can even create a separate container for testing downgrades :P |
| 09:06.15 | n4dir | not much time right now, but i'd say no, it sure won't work easily. |
| 09:06.18 | fling | n4dir: thanks for the info!! |
| 09:07.06 | n4dir | in general this channel (and forums too) recommended against "downgrades". as far i can tell. But hey, with a container, give it a try, if you consider it fun |
| 09:07.34 | petn-randall | fling: It's a better approach to reinstall, as downgrading is not supported. Config files might change, file might need to get moved around, database formats upgraded. On package *upgrade*, the maintainer scripts take care of this. For downgrade there simply isn't such a thing. |
| 09:07.49 | n4dir | backup your data, including personal files, reinstall, that can be done in the blink of an eye. |
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| 09:08.01 | petn-randall | fling: So even if the downgrade seems to have worked, you'll run into subtle brokenness over time. |
| 09:08.27 | fling | Ok, sounds like a good idea |
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| 09:08.39 | n4dir | petn-randall: and even the mere possibility, knowing for sure to have a working system is the reason one wants stable, imho. |
| 09:08.59 | fling | I can reinstall into a separate container, install all the things, then rsync userdata over |
| 09:09.08 | t3st3r | fling> programs usually consider upgrade path like converting data/config to new format, etc. But never downgrade. So this way full of pitfalls. |
| 09:09.44 | fling | I should script this… |
| 09:10.18 | t3st3r | At some point you'll eventually find that some program fails somewhere. Because it does not understoods data or config left by old version. Or maybe dozen of programs. It could be hard to spot at once but can eventually cause troubles. |
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| 09:11.12 | t3st3r | Guess that's why debian does not really supports going back. If one really needs that - they better off go with snapshots or so. Rolling EVERYTHING back. Including all config and user data at once. |
| 09:11.36 | fling | t3st3r: this is what I would do. |
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| 09:11.49 | fling | t3st3r: ther problem is I want stretch now but I installed sid from the beginning :P |
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| 09:12.15 | t3st3r | snapshot could have it more or less consistent - in sense its versions of programs are able to handle those versions of data/configs/etc. |
| 09:13.12 | fling | Are not you running debian in lxd? Everything just works but after upgrading to ~3.2 or something systemd is not starting in containers restarting after the host reboot. So I need to restart all the containers afterwards. |
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| 09:14.17 | fling | Also how to fix apt-cacher-ng giving me 403 errors for certain files? |
| 09:14.34 | fling | Wget says only for few files -> Proxy request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden file type or location |
| 09:14.43 | fling | like http://distfiles.gentoo.org/distfiles/lapack-lite-3.1.1.tgz |
| 09:14.52 | fling | or http://distfiles.gentoo.org/distfiles/mbuffer-20181119.tgz |
| 09:15.02 | fling | reproducible every time |
| 09:15.14 | fling | 99.9% of distfiles are downloaded without any errors. |
| 09:15.36 | fling | Nothing useful in the log and files are missing on the proxy server |
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| 09:25.09 | Haxxa | What would the fstab entry look like from this: mount -t configfs none /config |
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| 09:34.06 | Fox | Haxxa: http://paste.debian.net/1069298/ |
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| 09:34.49 | Haxxa | Fox will that mount at "/config" ? |
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| 09:37.00 | Fox | no |
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| 09:37.39 | Fox | it's usualy mounted as /sys/kernel/config why would you like it to be /config ? |
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| 09:38.54 | Fox | just replace /sys/kernel/config with /config and you should be done |
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| 09:41.42 | shtrb | Lenovo users around and thinking about doing a uefi upgrade, the fwupd may destroy your grub installation (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=922770 and https://github.com/hughsie/lvfs-website/issues/262). It is not clear if the acpi tables that hold your license keys are destroyed or not. |
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| 09:46.35 | fling | Is there a fine step-by-step guide of making qt apps to use gtk theme properly? |
| 09:46.55 | rant | heh |
| 09:47.01 | petn-randall | Is that even possible? |
| 09:47.45 | eksegenis | qt is qt and gtk is gtk |
| 09:47.57 | blackflow | not sure about "properly" but there's things like https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Uniform_look_for_Qt_and_GTK_applications |
| 09:48.02 | tarzeau | and gnustep is superior |
| 09:52.05 | erle- | fling, rewrite them with Gtk+ :D |
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| 11:14.12 | Pandadub_Lostshi | Hi , I need to read/write a mounted device in 2 distros in dual boot, sharing the /mnt or /dev directory would suffice? |
| 11:15.25 | klys | for that, share the /mnt directory, or any other /? of your choosing. |
| 11:16.37 | Pandadub_Lostshi | thanks klys , do I need to specify the same uuid to this mounted device in both distros? |
| 11:16.45 | klys | if you plan to run them concurrently, you will require something else (nfs). |
| 11:17.16 | klys | if it has a uuid assigned to it, presumably. |
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| 11:17.50 | klys | I am more of a traditional character who hasn't adopted uuid mounts yet. |
| 11:22.50 | Pandadub_Lostshi | thanks klys |
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| 12:59.18 | kreyren | Is there a way to remove apt from debian? eg. on gentoo if `emerge -C portage` is invoked portage will commit suicide and clean after itself |
| 13:00.10 | petn-randall | kreyren: Sure, though it'll give you a big fat warning when you try to remove an essential package. |
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| 13:00.26 | kreyren | so `apt remove apt` will work? |
| 13:00.40 | petn-randall | !tias |
| 13:00.40 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 13:00.42 | kreyren | >>> These are the packages that would be unmerged: |
| 13:00.42 | kreyren | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:00.42 | kreyren | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:00.43 | kreyren | ah |
| 13:00.46 | kreyren | waid |
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| 13:00.56 | kreyren | sorry typo |
| 13:01.02 | petn-randall | !paste |
| 13:01.02 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net or https://0bin.net/ | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 13:01.08 | kreyren | E: Essential packages were removed and -y was used without --allow-remove-essential. so --allow-remove-essential will work? |
| 13:01.23 | kreyren | ik i pasted wrong thing sorry :X |
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| 13:01.35 | petn-randall | yes |
| 13:02.15 | kreyren | thanks! |
| 13:04.18 | kreyren | Can i change root directory for apt somehow? Alike use apt to install package on different system? |
| 13:04.37 | petn-randall | kreyren: What are you trying to do? |
| 13:04.51 | kreyren | petn-randall: working on LFS that has all package managers on demand |
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| 13:05.05 | kreyren | + i want to experiment with Redox Unix |
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| 13:05.38 | petn-randall | kreyren: You'll have to ask in their support channel then. This isn't a generic apt support channel, it's for Debian. |
| 13:06.25 | kreyren | ok ty |
| 13:06.35 | kreyren | what is support channel for apt? |
| 13:06.38 | kreyren | #apt not a thing it seems |
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| 13:11.07 | BCMM | kreyren: pretty much here, i guess (provided it's debian, anyway) |
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| 13:12.39 | petn-randall | BCMM: Read the backlog, it's LFS + Redox Unix. |
| 13:13.11 | BCMM | petn-randall: oh, sorry. i skimmed it, found "Is there a way to remove apt from debian", and assumed it was ontopic |
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| 13:13.50 | kreyren | BCMM: now my question is how do i make apt unpack packages in different root? eg. portage `ROOT="PATH" emerge portage` will install portage in PATH |
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| 13:14.13 | BCMM | kreyren: best off asking whichever distro you're using apt on. if you're on LFS, you're somewhat on your own, but isn't that the point? |
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| 13:14.41 | kreyren | it's ubuntu atm |
| 13:14.45 | petn-randall | !linux from scratch |
| 13:14.45 | dpkg | Linux From Scratch (LFS) is a project providing instructions for building a custom Linux system entirely from source code. http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ #lfs-support at irc.linuxfromscratch.org. |
| 13:14.48 | petn-randall | !ubuntu |
| 13:14.48 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 13:14.58 | petn-randall | kreyren: You'll find the support channels here ^^^ |
| 13:15.07 | BCMM | kreyren: (but on the topic specifically of removing apt from debian: i don't see why you couldn't do it with dpkg, the low-level package manager, since as far as i know dpkg doesn't require apt) |
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| 13:15.48 | kreyren | Ubunters don't know how ubuntu works mostly.. Do also have multiboot for debian can you answer? |
| 13:16.06 | BCMM | kreyren: consider a debian chroot. it'll be a lot cleaner than using apt alongside other package managers and just hoping they don't clobber each other's files |
| 13:16.37 | kreyren | BCMM: portage will results in fatal if it encounters conflicts.. not a thing on apt? |
| 13:16.47 | fling | kreyren: lxd works fine on ubuntu and debian works fine in lxd |
| 13:17.23 | BCMM | if you find that you can't get good support for ubuntu, take it as a reason not to use ubuntu, rather than a reason to insist that debian should supports ubuntu |
| 13:17.24 | kreyren | fling: how it is relevant? expected to unpack apt's packages into a different ROOT. |
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| 13:18.21 | kreyren | BCMM: i'm using ubuntu as backup OS for Redox, LFS and Gentoo so it's more effective for me to use ubuntu rather then configuring debian atm.. i'm aware of that |
| 13:19.18 | BCMM | kreyren: i suggest you look at dpkg's documentation |
| 13:20.18 | kreyren | BCMM: will do if none here knows the answer. |
| 13:20.21 | fling | kreyren: there is also debootstrap |
| 13:20.35 | fling | kreyren: debootstrap is installing debs into a separate $ROOT |
| 13:20.42 | BCMM | kreyren: apt is the "high level" package manager - it downloads packages and resolves dependencies. dpkg actually installs and removes packages. and dpkg has a --root=dir option. |
| 13:20.46 | fling | kreyren: you can run it from gentoo :P |
| 13:21.18 | BCMM | (but you're probably still going to be on your own with setting appropriate paths for any of that to work as expected if you don't want to use something like chroot) |
| 13:21.27 | fling | apt ~ emerge, dpkg ~ ebuild |
| 13:21.34 | BCMM | fling++ |
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| 13:23.28 | BCMM | (also man apt.conf for passing dpkg options through apt) |
| 13:23.43 | HD|Laptop | hello all. Anyone here with a bit of experience with openstack / neutron and Debian (testing)? |
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| 13:24.16 | HD|Laptop | I'm hitting an ebtables error: "Policy DROP not allowed for user defined chains.", full log @ https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/120060/neutron-failing-to-deploy-with-policy-drop-not-allowed-for-user-defined-chains/ |
| 13:24.16 | kreyren | BCMM: --root=dir thanks helpful. |
| 13:24.27 | kreyren | fling: debootstrap meaning? |
| 13:24.39 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
| 13:24.39 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 13:24.41 | petn-randall | HD|Laptop: ^^^ |
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| 13:25.30 | fling | kreyren: I have no idea of the meaning |
| 13:25.37 | fling | kreyren: `emerge dev-util/debootstrap` to get it |
| 13:25.45 | HD|Laptop | thx |
| 13:25.52 | kreyren | fling: or like what is debootstrap? |
| 13:26.06 | themill | kreyren: .deb packages are, in general, not relocatable. You can put them into a chroot or other container, but not arbitrarily change the installation root. |
| 13:26.10 | fling | kreyren: something used to create debian root filesystems |
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| 13:26.32 | kreyren | fling: i see will check ty |
| 13:26.34 | fling | themill: you are talking about prefix but he is not. |
| 13:26.41 | tarzeau | themill: unless with LD_LIBRARY_PATH fiddling: https://github.com/alexmyczko/uapt-get |
| 13:26.46 | kreyren | themill: noted |
| 13:26.58 | themill | fling: I'm not sure that is true |
| 13:27.04 | tarzeau | i've needed that on some broken computers (fedora, without root access, and no software) |
| 13:27.10 | tarzeau | messy but it does the job |
| 13:27.14 | HD|Laptop | petn-randall: argh, can't connect - workplace bans outgoing traffic not on 80/443 |
| 13:27.16 | fling | themill: ok, I don't really know what kreyren is doing ;P |
| 13:27.18 | themill | tarzeau: and PATH, and PYTHONPATH and .... |
| 13:27.25 | tarzeau | themill: yeah and and and |
| 13:27.33 | tarzeau | themill: true, i never said it's easy |
| 13:27.38 | tarzeau | only, it's possible |
| 13:27.43 | themill | not really |
| 13:27.51 | tarzeau | yes really, i've done it, it worked for me |
| 13:27.53 | themill | as soon as you meet a maintainer script, you're hosed |
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| 13:27.58 | fling | everything is possible with ld hacks |
| 13:28.01 | tarzeau | unless you fix it |
| 13:28.05 | themill | fling: nope |
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| 13:28.15 | kreyren | fling: working on LFS and Redox Unix that has all package managers available on demand. |
| 13:28.20 | BCMM | kreyren: debootstrap is an alternative way of installing debian. it creates a debian filesystem in an arbitrary directory. using it to do a "real" install feels a bit like gentoo - boot live media, make partitions, unpack filesystem and chroot |
| 13:28.20 | tarzeau | ah post/pre/inst/rm you mean, do it manually, you're not hosed |
| 13:28.26 | themill | tarzeau: at which point you're no longer using the packages |
| 13:28.36 | tarzeau | themill: unfortunately, true |
| 13:28.37 | petn-randall | still wonders how this all relates to #debian. |
| 13:28.38 | kreyren | BCMM: noted, helpful ty |
| 13:28.58 | tarzeau | that's why i like the macOS (or rather, NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP/GNUstep packaging of way of software), like gobolinux does it |
| 13:29.17 | tarzeau | .app folder you can put in user domain, system domain, local, and/or network |
| 13:29.30 | tarzeau | and heck it worked cross-platform |
| 13:29.50 | tarzeau | 1997-2019 feels like -20 years timemachine |
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| 13:32.00 | BCMM | HD|Laptop: https://www.oftc.net/WebChat/ |
| 13:32.30 | HD|Laptop | BCMM: "Your browser will use javascript and socket.io to directly connect to the API at https://webirc.oftc.net:8443." |
| 13:32.39 | HD|Laptop | which is why their webirc doesn't work for me |
| 13:32.44 | BCMM | oh right. sorry, i assume it worked the same was as freenode's webchat |
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| 13:33.24 | HD|Laptop | unfortunately no :/ one should think they should have gotten enough complaints in at least four years but no... ^^ |
| 13:34.39 | BCMM | oh i see, they have an almost entirely client-side thing that actually speaks IRC in the browser... |
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| 13:36.17 | BCMM | what about mibbit? does it need websockets? |
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| 13:37.44 | HD|Laptop | BCMM: banned, https://www.oftc.net/Mibbit/ |
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| 13:49.19 | BCMM | i wish i knew how these people always end up in #debian |
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| 13:49.56 | SpeedyG | because for some reason, the default chat client in the offsec kali vm is set to join #debian instead of #offsec |
| 13:49.57 | BCMM | is #debian on autoconnect in Kali's irc client or something? |
| 13:50.00 | BCMM | lol |
| 13:50.11 | teclo- | heh |
| 13:50.11 | BCMM | they're a really great advert for that course... |
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| 13:50.50 | SpeedyG | is a student in disguise :P |
| 13:51.06 | SpeedyG | although I never used the offsec irc client :P |
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| 13:52.12 | petn-randall | hi Jed |
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| 13:54.39 | BCMM | SpeedyG: i'm guessing it's a matter of Kali using the unmodified hexchat package from debian |
| 13:55.39 | SpeedyG | BCMM: yeah |
| 13:55.53 | SpeedyG | since kali is based on debian, that makes sens :) |
| 13:55.55 | SpeedyG | *sense |
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| 14:09.36 | Ede|Popede | wasn't systemd also meant to restart services when they crash? |
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| 14:10.15 | greycat | A service can be configured to respawn. Most are not. |
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| 14:12.30 | Ede|Popede | i see. so that's why ibus didn't come back while thins one gvfs-whatever returns every time after i had to kill it? |
| 14:13.06 | Ede|Popede | though it doesn't run atm it seems. can't see it in htop. maybe it gets restarted when i use some gtk to open files or such |
| 14:13.29 | greycat | look for "Restart", "RestartSec", etc. in the service's unit file(s) |
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| 14:35.53 | Ede|Popede | hm. ibus is running, started 2 hours ago. no idea if this happens regularly or it tooks days to restart after it crashed. or even if only the panel button died. well, super+space doesn't work atm. and ibus doesn't seem to have a unit file. |
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| 14:37.15 | greycat | check "journalctl -u ibus" (or whatever the service name is) for errors or any other useful info |
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| 14:41.32 | Ede|Popede | no entries at all for anything ibus. is it even handled by <insertnamehere>d? |
| 14:41.58 | karlpinc | Does debian have login rate limiting of any sort built-in? (I'm too lazy to poke around and figure it out -- and I haven't noticed any.) |
| 14:42.57 | Ede|Popede | sometimes mistypes his password in the tty and had to wait up to 30s or so to get back to the prompt |
| 14:43.35 | HD|Laptop | hmm. how long does the debian bts usually need to acknowledge an email? |
| 14:43.54 | greycat | Historically, several minutes to a couple hours. |
| 14:43.57 | karlpinc | Ede|Popede: On the console or via ssh. |
| 14:44.04 | Ede|Popede | karlpinc: console |
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| 14:44.20 | karlpinc | HD|Laptop: I sent something in a couple of weeks ago and the bts was busy and took hours. |
| 14:44.46 | HD|Laptop | ok :) thanks |
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| 15:09.13 | milkt | "acpi" command of debian package "acpi" usually give me battery information, but in some boot "acpi" command don't give me any output until i reboot system. is there way i can fix it without rebooting? |
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| 15:10.37 | petn-randall | milkt: You'd probably have to debug what files in /proc or /sys are missing, and then follow-up on why they are missing. |
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| 15:11.22 | milkt | can i know which file shuold be exist but missing? |
| 15:12.36 | plantroon | blackflow: thx for the link on imagemagick changelog |
| 15:14.20 | plantroon | guys, you know what just happened: systemd on a server running Debian 9.8 got a memory leak. So processes started getting killed of course. I am suspecting that the reason might be that I did not reboot the server after the latest updates to 9.8. |
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| 15:20.26 | petn-randall | plantroon: How did you come to the conclusion that it's systemd? Which process exactly? |
| 15:22.02 | plantroon | petn-randall: PID1 was consuming around 4 GB of RAM |
| 15:22.18 | plantroon | systemctl daemon-reexec freed this memory |
| 15:23.17 | petn-randall | plantroon: Interesting. Can you check in /var/log/apt/history.log from which version to which version you upgraded? |
| 15:23.25 | blackflow | plantroon: which memory, though. rss or virtual? |
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| 15:25.10 | plantroon | virtual 4702 and resident 4494 |
| 15:25.30 | greycat | clearly that's after the reexec |
| 15:25.48 | blackflow | if those are numbers from ps, that's in kB |
| 15:25.56 | plantroon | oh no, MB from htop |
| 15:25.58 | plantroon | before reexec |
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| 15:28.03 | blackflow | plantroon: any theories what caused it? |
| 15:29.16 | plantroon | blackflow: hard to say. There's a lot of stuff runing on there, PHP mainly. What I was doing recently though, I was trying to fix imagemagick. It used the wrong colorspace after one of the upgrades. |
| 15:29.43 | plantroon | also the upgrades were from 9.7 to 9.8 |
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| 15:40.24 | petn-randall | plantroon: Could you check the version history? |
| 15:41.36 | plantroon | petn-randall: of Debian or something else? What exactly would be useful? |
| 15:41.46 | petn-randall | 16:23 <petn-randa > plantroon: Interesting. Can you check in /var/log/apt/history.log from which version to which version you upgraded? |
| 15:42.26 | plantroon | yeah, I am still "checking" that file because it is a mess and I am trying to make sense of it |
| 15:42.43 | greycat | Hmm, a weird a probably irrelevant thing: after rebooting with the 9.8 kernel/systemd stuff, "ps u -p 1" shows the COMMAND as /sbin/init. Before rebooting, the same ps command shows the COMMAND as /lib/systemd/systemd (plus args). |
| 15:43.45 | blackflow | greycat: same here now that you mention it |
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| 15:44.20 | greycat | I only noticed because I haven't bothered rebooting this workstation yet. |
| 15:44.33 | blackflow | but that's just a symlink to systemd |
| 15:44.47 | greycat | Yeah. It's probably irrelevant/harmless. |
| 15:45.04 | sk_tandt | Greetings! I've setup a repo, which I reach through openvpn, but I get this error upon apt update: Clearsigned file isn't valid, got 'NOSPLIT' (does the network require authentication?) |
| 15:45.06 | plantroon | checked many servers, same thing here. Difference is between Debian 9.7 and 9.8. |
| 15:45.40 | plantroon | (some not rebooted. Actually sorry, might not be 9.7 to 9.8 difference) |
| 15:45.42 | blackflow | technically 9.6 and 9.8. 9.7 was out of order emergency release for apt |
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| 15:47.13 | petn-randall | sk_tandt: Hard to say without any further info. Like the complete error you're getting, and how you set up the repo. |
| 15:48.11 | sk_tandt | petn-randall, that's the whole error (at least, that I know of): as for the repo, setup following http://troglobit.com/2017/09/30/set-up-a-debian-ubuntu-apt-repository/ |
| 15:49.00 | petn-randall | sk_tandt: I have a hard time imagining that a `apt update` run only output a single line. |
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| 15:50.21 | blackflow | plantroon: greycat : this is why: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/blob/3046b6db1d285a7aba2247b48f0cc98372defab6/src/core/main.c#L2318 |
| 15:50.35 | blackflow | /sbin/init is normal process name. it will change after daemon-reexec |
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| 15:51.14 | blackflow | just tested, indeed it is. so after systemd update, which I suppose triggers teh reexec, you'll see /lib/system/systemd <args> in the ps tree |
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| 15:51.31 | greycat | I've never even *heard* of daemon-reexec until today, and I certainly never did one. |
| 15:51.31 | blackflow | but after reboot, it's back to /sbin/init |
| 15:51.39 | greycat | Not knowingly at least. |
| 15:51.54 | blackflow | always been there for in-place upgrade of pid eins iirc |
| 15:52.12 | plantroon | oh this is quite a mess. The server where systemd leaked does not even have 9.8 yet. systemd version 232-25+deb9u8 |
| 15:52.13 | greycat | I suppose there could've been apt upgrades that replaced systemd without rebooting. |
| 15:53.24 | sk_tandt | petn-randall, you're absolutely right, but it is the only error related to the repository |
| 15:53.27 | blackflow | it's not systemd that requires reboot, it's when dbus bumps. also stupid journald can't restart, so... argh, a mess. |
| 15:53.30 | sk_tandt | Pasting full output |
| 15:53.52 | petn-randall | sk_tandt: Thanks |
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| 15:54.15 | sk_tandt | To you! https://pastebin.com/dBAsVTHm |
| 15:54.31 | blackflow | plantroon: not quite. most of the updates brought by debian point releases are already installed if you upgrade regularly |
| 15:54.42 | sk_tandt | Lines 11:12 |
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| 15:55.23 | blackflow | plantroon: meaning you can have the lastest systemd even thought lsb release still shows 9.7 |
| 15:56.12 | blackflow | plantroon: though deb9u9 is latest |
| 15:56.48 | petn-randall | sk_tandt: Well, the site doesn't even load in the browser, so something broken there. |
| 15:57.07 | petn-randall | sk_tandt: I can't even ping that domain with getting TTL exceeded, so seems like the low-level networking is borked. |
| 15:57.36 | plantroon | I'll just blame this memory leak on Mr. Poettering then :D I never liked systemd, dbus and all this weird stuff |
| 15:57.44 | t3st3r | blackflow> hmm? systemctl restart systemd-journald seems to work |
| 15:57.59 | blackflow | t3st3r: yes it does now observe it stopped logging. |
| 15:58.05 | petn-randall | sk_tandt: It ping-pongs between 94.135.170.189 and 94.135.170.190 until the network TTL is exceeded. |
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| 15:58.07 | blackflow | s/does now/does, but now/ |
| 15:58.10 | t3st3r | and I'm curious if there is memory dump, just to see what could take 4Gb. |
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| 15:58.24 | petn-randall | plantroon: Feel free to use sysv init. Trusty, rusty, and from the 70s. |
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| 15:58.37 | blackflow | t3st3r: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=898818 |
| 15:58.39 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/898818 in needrestart (closed, fixed-upstream, upstream): «systemd-journald can be restarted since systemd v233»; severity: normal; opened: 2018-05-16; last modified: 2019-02-11. |
| 15:58.47 | sk_tandt | petn-randall, the DNS provides a 10.19.xxx.xxx IP, which only members of the VPN access |
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| 15:59.10 | sk_tandt | Yes, mad company policies |
| 15:59.11 | blackflow | says fixed but.... I still see problems when journald restarts.... |
| 15:59.19 | petn-randall | sk_tandt: Then your setup is still broken, since that's what is globally reachable. |
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| 16:00.06 | greycat | well, stretch doesn't *have* systemd v233 so.... |
| 16:00.07 | blackflow | plantroon: systemd is developed by many people, not just LP. |
| 16:00.18 | plantroon | blackflow: what is the point of journald when I use syslog-ng anyway. It's just useless iml |
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| 16:00.32 | petn-randall | yawns. |
| 16:00.33 | blackflow | greycat: I see it in 237 in 'buntu as well. |
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| 16:00.41 | blackflow | have yet to check buster |
| 16:00.53 | Tenkawa | petn-randall: stop that heehee |
| 16:01.03 | Tenkawa | falls asleeo |
| 16:01.07 | Tenkawa | er asleep |
| 16:01.15 | sk_tandt | petn-randall, afraid I'm not following: aside from editing /etc/hosts, no way to have a point of a VPN network act as a repo? |
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| 16:01.22 | blackflow | plantroon: I treat it as as short (100M) in-memory (volatile) buffer that I can search with nice functions, before it's forwarded to syslog for permanent storage |
| 16:01.46 | blackflow | plantroon: it's -b, --since, --until and other filters are indispensable and superior to anything grep or awk could do |
| 16:01.50 | blackflow | *its |
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| 16:02.52 | plantroon | that could be useful, I see |
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| 16:03.20 | blackflow | plantroon: I'm also considering dumping syslog for good, and centralize everything through journald, even remoting |
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| 16:04.22 | petn-randall | sk_tandt: run `mtr -t deb.tetsistemi.tech` from outside, and you'll understand what I mean. The domain resolves on the internet, and causes a routing loop. |
| 16:04.34 | plantroon | blackflow: I explored some options on using journald exclusively not that long ago... didnt like them/couldnt do everything. But I once had a test setup where I converted Debian to fully utilize systemd-everything xD |
| 16:04.42 | Tenkawa | brb |
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| 16:08.52 | t3st3r | plantroon> speaking for myself I still do like systemd being a central management point of system, something that others failed. |
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| 16:09.35 | plantroon | t3st3r: I like the idea too, but the tools could be better designed. |
| 16:09.52 | blackflow | yeah, the implementation sucks. |
| 16:10.14 | thms | when I use dpkg -L, I get for exemple "./" or "/etc" --- so if I want to tar all files.. it'll tar / or /etc fully.. how can I avoid that ? |
| 16:10.31 | t3st3r | Maybe, but we are yet to see these tools. I wouldn't readily name such tools for any OS. Are there any? |
| 16:10.38 | thms | apt-file doesn't have this problems.. only gives the files in the dpkg.. but not what I want either |
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| 16:11.00 | greycat | thms: you could, like, ignore the first line |
| 16:11.16 | greycat | but why in the bloody hell would you be trying to feed the output of dpkg -L to tar? |
| 16:11.17 | t3st3r | Guess it takes time to get it right, iron out conecptions and approaches, get rid of rough edges and more or less stabilize things. |
| 16:11.30 | blackflow | as always. |
| 16:11.32 | thms | greycat, not sure.. :=) |
| 16:12.02 | thms | I'm just going to use apt-file and won't notice it. just wondered if there was a dpkg way |
| 16:12.14 | greycat | A dpkg way *to do what*?! |
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| 16:13.06 | thms | greycat, well it's called --listfiles and it shows folders too |
| 16:13.15 | greycat | yes, so what? |
| 16:13.18 | thms | greycat, list all files installed by a certain package |
| 16:13.33 | greycat | and you don't want to see the directories because they are against your religion? |
| 16:13.36 | greycat | or what? |
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| 16:14.45 | blackflow | sounds like xy |
| 16:14.49 | blackflow | !xy |
| 16:14.50 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
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| 16:15.20 | greycat | I've explicitly asked at least three times now, and he STILL won't reveal the goal, so clearly this is going nowhere. *plonk* |
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| 16:19.00 | jelly | thms: tell tar not do to recursion. |
| 16:19.25 | jelly | thms: why would you want to tar all the files from dpkg -L output? |
| 16:19.49 | blackflow | hey, stand in line! we asked first. |
| 16:20.55 | Cork | i'm trying to install from the mini.iso, but it keeps giving me "No kernel modules were found..." anyone know how to get around this? |
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| 16:21.24 | jelly | Cork: precisely where did you find that mini.iso, URL please? |
| 16:21.56 | Cork | i've tried it from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ and https://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/amd64/daily/netboot/ |
| 16:22.03 | Cork | get the same problem from both |
| 16:22.10 | jelly | so you're doing netboot? |
| 16:22.15 | Cork | yes |
| 16:22.24 | jelly | which kernel and initrd are you using? |
| 16:23.05 | Cork | i just picking the expert install menu option and then stretch |
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| 16:23.47 | jelly | uh, why would you use sid images to install stretch? |
| 16:24.05 | Ede|Popede | thms: whatever your plans are for these files, ignore the directories. unless they are clearly part of that package's tree. /etc isn't listed only for base-files. and if you know what kind of file it is there's still `file` |
| 16:24.43 | Ede|Popede | s/you know/you want to know/ |
| 16:24.56 | Cork | jelly: ah, didn't think it would matter as there is an option in the installer |
| 16:26.21 | aleph- | So question trying to build a debian package with my revision as "1.31.1-1.debian9" however dpkg-source then throws the error "dpkg-source: error: can't build with source format '3.0 (native)': native package version may not have a revision". So how exactly should I be structuring my revision number? |
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| 16:29.26 | jelly | aleph-: don't make your package native, or don't put -anything in the version, just 1.31.1 |
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| 16:31.16 | jelly | aleph-: https://wiki.debian.org/Projects/DebSrc3.0 |
| 16:31.38 | aleph- | Thanks jelly |
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| 16:34.56 | thms | jelly, disable recursion, thanks :). Well not enable it |
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| 16:40.59 | aleph- | jelly: So new question, is there any way no matter how hacky to build stuff via native with that schema? Our CI process emits binaries so we we package native, no source tarballs so we're not using quilt. |
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| 16:41.44 | jelly | thms: GNU tar enables recursion into directories by default. |
| 16:42.50 | DoomPatrol | jelly: silly question, how the heck do you get tar to not include dirs of files, i thought it was using "-C" but i still get, "/path/to/files/foo.txt", rather than just "foo.txt" |
| 16:42.51 | jelly | aleph-: then you're lying about your debian/source/format being 3, make it 1.0 I guess |
| 16:42.59 | HD|Laptop | assuming I have a bridge br0, an ethernet interface eth0, and a tap interface tap0 (belonging to a kvm vm), bridged together: what could cause that DHCP packets originating from tap0 show up in "tcpdump -i tap0" and "tcpdump -i br0", but NOT in "tcpdump -i eth0"? |
| 16:43.06 | DoomPatrol | regoogles for randomness |
| 16:43.15 | jelly | DoomPatrol: that's a RTFM :-) |
| 16:43.20 | DoomPatrol | indeed ;D |
| 16:43.25 | HD|Laptop | to expand, the bridge and tap interfaces are created by openstack's neutron which may or may not mess around with iptables/ebtables. |
| 16:43.34 | HD|Laptop | How do I debug this? ebtables -L shows no rules |
| 16:43.43 | DoomPatrol | oye neutron |
| 16:44.10 | DoomPatrol | HD|Laptop: i suggest reading the neutron docs, it's a complex system to say the least |
| 16:44.50 | HD|Laptop | DoomPatrol: doesn't make it better that I had to hack neutron's source code to hard-disable ebtables as it created invalid ebtables commands :'D |
| 16:44.52 | DoomPatrol | don't think in terms of "oh this is a network port" but more so, "this is a /virtual switch/" |
| 16:45.05 | HD|Laptop | i use linuxbridge with no additional modules, port security etc |
| 16:45.08 | HD|Laptop | as i don't need any of it |
| 16:45.14 | DoomPatrol | HD|Laptop: oye, sadly it's something i'd not want you to do but tis expected ;( |
| 16:45.40 | DoomPatrol | worked for a large cloud provider and neutron was a learning curve |
| 16:45.52 | HD|Laptop | DoomPatrol: :D but in the end, neutron just uses standard linux stuff under the hoods |
| 16:46.04 | DoomPatrol | it does however the overlay is where it gets complicated |
| 16:46.21 | HD|Laptop | DoomPatrol: no overlays/vlan/vxlan at play here :) |
| 16:46.24 | HD|Laptop | my assumption was that maybe network namespaces played a role, but "ip netns list" shows nothing |
| 16:47.05 | DoomPatrol | oic, uh, hrm, now you have muh rusty gears moving |
| 16:47.37 | HD|Laptop | at least I finally found someone who has actually *used* that stuff, lol. Been trying for three days to find someone with experience |
| 16:48.00 | Ede|Popede | ,file gfvsd-metadata |
| 16:48.04 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 16:48.14 | aleph- | jelly: So I'm not calling dpkg-source directly, anyway I can pass --format=1.0 to dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 16:48.24 | aleph- | Didn't see anything in --help for it. |
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| 16:49.20 | DoomPatrol | HD|Laptop: yeah, sadly at $work we tried to run openstack and used the deprecated method that didn't use neutron |
| 16:49.28 | aleph- | jelly: Nevermind, figured it out. |
| 16:49.37 | DoomPatrol | let's just say i'm glad that burned down when the hypervisor fell over (and the controllers were running on it ...) |
| 16:49.43 | HD|Laptop | :D |
| 16:50.23 | greycat | For the love of god, why is packages.debian.org/foobar not just going directly to the foobar package.... |
| 16:50.41 | HD|Laptop | DoomPatrol: I put iptables -L, ebtables -L etc on http://paste.debian.net/1069373/ |
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| 16:50.52 | DoomPatrol | checks and tries to be helpful |
| 16:50.54 | Ede|Popede | how can this file not exist? oO |
| 16:51.08 | HD|Laptop | we're talking about brq4f7dff0f-c1 and friends, br0 is the main system uplink |
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| 16:52.40 | HD|Laptop | for my half-experienced eyes, it looks like $something prevents packets from passing from brq4f7dff0f-c1 to vlan2749 |
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| 16:54.22 | ozars | hello. i started having issues with firefox audio on buster. is there anyone who could help me troubleshoot the issue? |
| 16:55.49 | ozars | got it answered on another channel tx. |
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| 16:57.37 | HD|Laptop | DoomPatrol: managed to fix it, at least hacky ;D |
| 16:57.40 | HD|Laptop | echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/bridge/bridge-nf-call-iptables |
| 16:57.42 | DoomPatrol | HD|Laptop: iptables -vnL (-v adds packet counters to see if they are increasing, e.g. it's a simple method to verify rules being processed) |
| 16:57.54 | DoomPatrol | HD|Laptop: lol! well then glad you got it figured out |
| 16:58.29 | HD|Laptop | that cant be a permanent solution however, I mean usually neutron install guide says to *enable* iptables |
| 16:58.41 | HD|Laptop | but ah well, at least it works now |
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| 17:00.30 | DoomPatrol | HD|Laptop: this is out of my exp, you're using docker eh? (i was using KVM/XEN) |
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| 17:02.26 | HD|Laptop | DoomPatrol: KVM actually, but the hosts themselves also run docker |
| 17:02.38 | HD|Laptop | openstack is just another guest on them |
| 17:02.45 | Ede|Popede | GVFSD-METADATA(1) <-- why is this in manpage section 1? it isn't even somewhere in root's PATH. so i really have to scan my whole system for that file? |
| 17:02.56 | DoomPatrol | oic, virtualization-on-virtualization-on-virtualization ;D |
| 17:04.14 | HD|Laptop | DoomPatrol: nah, just a couple of old macs and other leftover crap that I'm using for development stuff here |
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| 17:04.50 | HD|Laptop | thought it'd be worth to invest a bit of time to get openstack running on it, with k8s and others as guests, instead of manual deployments of all kinds of bullshit |
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| 17:05.44 | DoomPatrol | indeed, good luck learning openstack. it's not hard per se, just somewhat tedious |
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| 17:06.32 | Time-Warp | has anyone ever thought to them selves, how does apt update it self |
| 17:06.37 | Time-Warp | root@passwort:/home/f0xy# apt-cache policy apt |
| 17:06.38 | Time-Warp | apt: |
| 17:06.40 | Time-Warp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:06.48 | Time-Warp | lol |
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| 17:09.56 | Ede|Popede | gvfs and usability and userfriendliness. 2 of them 3 go together. it's not even reasonable documented where to find what |
| 17:10.23 | greycat | In Unix, programs that are running can be removed or renamed without affecting the running instance. |
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| 17:10.39 | Ede|Popede | `man -w gvfsd-metadata` -> /usr/share/man/man1/gvfsd-metadata.1.gz ;; `dpkg -S /usr/share/man/man1/gvfsd-metadata.1.gz` -> gvfs-common: /usr/share/man/man1/gvfsd-metadata.1.gz |
| 17:10.44 | greycat | So, for apt to update itself, it simply removes /usr/bin/apt from the file system, then puts the new version there. |
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| 17:11.06 | Time-Warp | greycat: prodigious |
| 17:11.13 | Ede|Popede | does gvfs or debian try to hied this file from users? |
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| 17:12.51 | DoomPatrol | Ede|Popede: on arch linux, doing "man gvfsd-metadata", works, so could be debian pkg'ing issue? |
| 17:13.21 | Ede|Popede | there is no gvfsd-metadata executable in $PATH, there is no package named gvfsd-metadata, there is only a manpage in *another* package |
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| 17:13.53 | Ede|Popede | DoomPatrol: yeah, works. manpage is there. but that's all. it's just hidden. wherever they've put it. |
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| 17:14.12 | Ede|Popede | and it doesn't seem to run atm so i have no idea where it may be |
| 17:14.36 | DoomPatrol | heh, yeah no binary here either |
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| 17:14.47 | Ede|Popede | and the manpage only mentions some file in $HOME in its FILE section. |
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| 17:15.09 | HD|Laptop | DoomPatrol: yeah, the most tedious thing tends to be the config files imho. i dont really get why one has to put, for example, the configs for neutron access also in nova.conf... and the lack of a frequented IRC support channel |
| 17:15.25 | Ede|Popede | and i lost about an hour no by hunting this file. no, i don't have anything to do -.- |
| 17:15.28 | HD|Laptop | #openstack has a *lot* of users but next to 0 activity |
| 17:15.45 | DoomPatrol | HD|Laptop: put it like this, i worked at the place that developed it, by no means did we run "vanilla" openstack |
| 17:16.12 | HD|Laptop | DoomPatrol: dogfood or fossilized? |
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| 17:16.27 | DoomPatrol | say wut? heh |
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| 17:17.01 | HD|Laptop | dogfood = bleeding edge, fossilized = like running debian oldstable ;)= |
| 17:17.20 | DoomPatrol | oh it was bleeding edge |
| 17:17.36 | DoomPatrol | the only product that was "stable" was Atlas, (cloud load balancers) |
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| 17:23.28 | HD|Laptop | DoomPatrol: sounds like a lot of fun, and closely involved developers :D |
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| 17:26.07 | DoomPatrol | HD|Laptop: mm, yes/no. one dev team had, "i don't always test my code but when i do, i test it in prod". not as fun when you have hundreds of customers yelling at ya, :| |
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| 17:29.30 | Ede|Popede | !botlist |
| 17:29.34 | Ede|Popede | .botlist |
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| 17:35.23 | Ede|Popede | is there at least a page on debian.org where i could insert a filename and get a list of packages? |
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| 17:38.50 | jelly | Ede|Popede: packages.debian.org ? What are you trying to do? |
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| 17:39.25 | Ede|Popede | i try to find out why this gvfs-thing isn't running as usual and where even the file is. or from what package |
| 17:39.33 | Ede|Popede | for 3 hours now. |
| 17:39.34 | jelly | which file? |
| 17:39.46 | Ede|Popede | find -xdev -name gvfsd-metadata |
| 17:39.46 | Ede|Popede | ./usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-metadata |
| 17:40.03 | jelly | dpkg -S $(readlink -f /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-metadata) |
| 17:40.03 | dpkg | There is no record of a $(readlink -f /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-metadata) package |
| 17:40.19 | Ede|Popede | finally found at least the -xdev option in the manpage. really wouldn't want to check all my data partition too |
| 17:40.42 | jelly | also, |
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| 17:40.52 | jelly | judd: file gvfs-metadata |
| 17:40.57 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
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| 17:41.30 | jelly | hmph! |
| 17:41.40 | Ede|Popede | that's ridiculous. the manpage is in a completely different package |
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| 17:42.07 | Ede|Popede | the only way to find the file (and the package it comes from) is really to SEARCH it on disk |
| 17:42.08 | jhutchins_wk | That would suggest that the file is created when the binary runs, rather than being provided by the package. |
| 17:42.11 | jelly | I can't possibly comment on Gnome components or their packaging. |
| 17:42.26 | Ede|Popede | gvfs-daemons: /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-metadata |
| 17:43.00 | jelly | Ede|Popede: you can /msg judd file gvfsd-metadata |
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| 17:43.18 | jelly | (works better without typos) |
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| 17:44.52 | Ede|Popede | jelly: i did ,v judd. and ,file's dpkg. |
| 17:45.25 | Ede|Popede | too many bots, too much confusion. which for what? and how? |
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| 17:46.24 | jelly | !search dpkg |
| 17:46.25 | dpkg | You can search my database on the web at http://ircbots.debian.net/ or on IRC by asking me about <help listkeys> and <help-listvals>. My factoids are available at https://dpkg.donarmstrong.com/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are there. See also <search>. |
| 17:46.27 | jelly | !judd |
| 17:46.28 | dpkg | judd is a window into the Ultimate Debian Database (ask me about <udd>). Judd can look up package, PCI ID and kernel config information. See http://ircbots.debian.net/judd/ for detailed information, or ask me about <judd-packages>, <judd-hardware>, <source judd>. |
| 17:46.28 | greycat | Ede|Popede: judd for all Debian metadata searches (bugs, files, packages), dpkg for factoids. |
| 17:47.31 | jelly | are factoids like those metametadata? meta²data? |
| 17:48.15 | greycat | they're more like teeny tiny wiki pages |
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| 17:51.14 | Ede|Popede | greycat: sounds logic. but ask me next week about it. i even had to check if nautilus is xfce's filemanager, since it was mentioned with gfvs. (and no, it is not. and no, i don't use it nor any other GUI fm. mc 4ever!) |
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| 18:00.15 | Ede|Popede | hm. saving an image from firefox seems to start it. as a child of `/lib/systemd/systemd --user` |
| 18:03.46 | greycat | does /lib/systemd/system/*gvfs* match anything on your system? |
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| 18:05.39 | Ede|Popede | greycat: no *gvfs* in ‌/lib/systemd |
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| 18:06.37 | SerajewelKS | it would be under /lib/systemd/user i think |
| 18:07.09 | Ede|Popede | i don't even have user Oo |
| 18:07.25 | SerajewelKS | ah, /usr/lib |
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| 18:07.36 | SerajewelKS | look for /usr/lib/systemd/user/gvfs-*.service |
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| 18:07.57 | Ede|Popede | ah, here they are :) |
| 18:08.04 | greycat | so half of this shit is in /lib and the other half is in /usr/lib ?! |
| 18:08.09 | FinalX | no |
| 18:08.12 | greycat | whose idea was THIS |
| 18:08.17 | FinalX | a third is in /lib, a third is in /usr/lib and a third is in /etc |
| 18:08.22 | FinalX | just to make you cringe even more |
| 18:08.28 | greycat | well, /etc is local overrides, and there's precedent for that |
| 18:08.33 | FinalX | yeah, ok :p |
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| 18:09.17 | SerajewelKS | it appears that /lib has system units and /usr/lib has user units |
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| 18:09.39 | tsglove | Hello. I want to buy a video card. What should I look for to make sure it's supported by Debian9? |
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| 18:09.49 | SerajewelKS | e.g. i don't have /lib/systemd/user, nor do i have /usr/lib/systemd/system |
| 18:09.57 | greycat | but they're already separated using .../system/ and .../user/ subdirs, so why the whole file system separation? |
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| 18:10.01 | FinalX | ^ |
| 18:10.05 | SerajewelKS | shrugs |
| 18:10.19 | SerajewelKS | reasons? |
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| 18:11.30 | Ede|Popede | greycat, and i have a bonus: the files are in gvfs, the manpage in gvfs-common |
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| 18:12.23 | Ede|Popede | and the manpage was the only hint proving its existence before i used `find` |
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| 18:13.54 | greycat | I still don't know what your actual question is. At some point you were wondering how this "thing" got executed, so I suggested looking for its systemd unit files. |
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| 18:14.10 | greycat | You've also been talking about some kind of "file", but I have no context for what this means. |
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| 18:22.17 | Ede|Popede | greycat: because it is a long story here. metadata is one of my old enemies on the system, ibus wasn't a thing at all before stretch. metadata gets restarted *somehow* everytime i had to kill it, never had an idea what does this or what is it even good for at all. "metadata", well. and recently ibus was killed, or maybe only the panel button, no idea. |
| 18:22.17 | Ede|Popede | ibus itself shows a start time of some hours ago, also here no idea if it was restarted then after the crash or didn't crash at all. all i know is that i don't have the button anymore and can't switch keyboard layout with super+space. and here in hexchat with the input method selection i had to change the method to even insert the LF with C-S-u+<UTF>. but which is a completely different question, only an effect of the crash. |
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| 18:23.41 | Ede|Popede | so as you see it is a bunch of open questions related to that crash. and in one case gvfs and systemd seem involved somehow. while i have not the slightest idea what it is in the other case. |
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| 18:25.42 | Ede|Popede | and tbh, i remember that it was easier understanding how linux works than trying to add the recent changes to the stack. gvfs, systemd, and what else just doesn't come to my mind right now. |
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| 19:08.09 | Schiziot | mount -t proc /proc /mnt/chroot/proc; mount --bind /dev /mnt/chroot/dev; mount --bind /sys /mnt/chroot/sys <-- is this correct for classic chrooting? |
| 19:09.03 | greycat | /msg dpkg chroot |
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| 19:10.57 | Schiziot | that factoid mentions ext2 - does that still apply on stretch systems? |
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| 19:11.17 | Schiziot | with the change from ext2 to ext4, of course |
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| 19:44.28 | jhutchins_wk | Schiziot: Yes. |
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| 19:47.36 | plantroon | this is a bad day. I had 3 Debian systems fail today. One was the filesystem on my workstation, then the systemd leak which I wrote here about and now another Xorg freeze on a family machine. None of them can be easily explained and none of them are related to any recent Debian updates. |
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| 19:54.07 | OerHeks | plantroon, what cve exactly? ( leak ) |
| 19:54.35 | plantroon | a memory leak |
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| 19:57.23 | karlpinc | plantroon: Regards the file system, smartmontools can be useful for monitoring disk health. Otherwise, never hurts to run memtest86+ for 24 hours just because bad RAM can affect everything. Just suggestions. |
| 19:58.04 | greycat | Of course it hurts. The computer is down for 24 hours. |
| 19:58.12 | plantroon | karlpinc: I ran smartctl long test right after the crash |
| 19:58.50 | plantroon | didnt see any errors... That's the thing, none of the things that happened make sense. And all of them happened today. All of the systems were running without a problem for 50+ days. |
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| 19:59.53 | karlpinc | plantroon: Power issues? |
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| 20:02.05 | plantroon | karlpinc: dunno, I will run memtest overnight. |
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| 20:02.21 | plantroon | not much more I can do. I'll blame it on solar flares maybe |
| 20:02.34 | karlpinc | plantroon: I can see how updating libaries and such and not rebooting could lead to issues. Although you'd think the effects would be limited. |
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| 20:42.23 | kingsley | Which OCR application would you use to read a table of numbers and alphabetic characters? |
| 20:42.46 | kingsley | In .png format. |
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| 20:56.34 | JordiGH | I've decided I've had enough of Firefox ctrl+n and free software is free software, dammit. |
| 20:56.45 | JordiGH | I'm gonna go and patch the damn thing to make sure it doesn't catch ctrl+n anymore. |
| 20:56.53 | Plazma | any known issues with apt and http proxies ? i've got my proxy configured for apt and am able to even install a few packages here and there, but many fail with a hash sum mismatch |
| 20:57.03 | JordiGH | What's the debianest way to do this? I'm gonna download the source package, patch it, and then use quilt to record my patch? |
| 20:57.05 | Plazma | well apt configured to use the upstream proxy, i mean |
| 20:57.18 | Plazma | but i fear the proxy is causing some of my grief and i have no control over that |
| 20:57.31 | greycat | I use apt(-get) through a local squid proxy all the time. No problems on my side. |
| 20:57.45 | Plazma | yea it works some of hte time, that's the odd part |
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| 20:59.09 | Plazma | hmm maybe it's just git that's failing and things elsewhere are fine |
| 20:59.10 | greycat | A misbehaving proxy would definitely cause problems, but you'd need admin access to the proxy (or at least its logs) to get details. |
| 20:59.35 | Plazma | greycat sadly this proxy is a corporate one i have no control over, |
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| 21:00.11 | greycat | It can *also* be a misbehaving mirror. |
| 21:01.04 | Plazma | well i'm using a variety of mirrors and tried a few and was using the defaults |
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| 21:10.14 | t3st3r | Plazma> try disabling pipelining maybe? It sometimes does something strange with some proxies. |
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| 21:12.09 | Plazma | t3st3r worth a shot thanks |
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| 22:20.01 | JordiGH | How do I skip tests when building a package? |
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| 22:25.13 | ChmEarl | JordiGH, use an empty override_dh_auto_test |
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| 22:25.35 | ChmEarl | JordiGH, or man dh_auto_test |
| 22:25.52 | somiaj | JordiGH: You may want to ask in #packaging on irc.oftc.net. I don't know if dbuild/dpkg-buildpackage has a flag for this or if you have to modify the debian/ dir and remove the tests, one such way seems to be as ChmEarl suggests. |
| 22:26.04 | JordiGH | There was some envvar with "nocheck" in it. |
| 22:26.28 | JordiGH | Aha, DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck |
| 22:26.33 | kevinnn | hi all, for some reason the following is running in the background on my debian machine and I can't figure out how to kill it |
| 22:26.37 | kevinnn | apt-config shell ARCHIVE_KEYRING APT::Key::ArchiveKeyring |
| 22:26.43 | kevinnn | it keeps re-spawning |
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| 22:26.52 | JordiGH | Let's see how long it takes to build Firefox. |
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| 22:28.14 | Ingvix | hey, can I change file picker firefox uses for example selecting file to upload etc |
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| 22:33.12 | JordiGH | Ingvix: It used to be that it would pick the GTK+ or Qt file picker depending on the environment. |
| 22:33.20 | JordiGH | I don't even know what Firefox does anymore. |
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| 22:34.46 | Ingvix | I quite dislike the present one. There doesn't even seem to be any ui.allow_platform_file_picker option in about.config anymore |
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| 22:35.27 | Ingvix | JordiGH, what browser do you use? |
| 22:35.32 | JordiGH | Firefox. |
| 22:35.47 | Ingvix | oh, alright |
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| 22:49.07 | SerajewelKS | when your mirror updated its package lists but not the packages themselves -_- |
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| 22:57.43 | k-man | my ssh service is failing to start but journalctl isn't giving me any helpful error messages |
| 22:58.24 | k-man | hmm.. no it's actually running, but systemd thinks it isn't |
| 22:58.58 | k-man | http://ix.io/1BIc |
| 22:59.04 | k-man | any ideas? |
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| 22:59.17 | k-man | and I can't connect to port 22 |
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| 23:00.04 | SerajewelKS | k-man: who is user 1000000!? |
| 23:00.09 | k-man | no idea! |
| 23:00.44 | k-man | no user of that uid in /etc/passwd |
| 23:00.50 | SerajewelKS | maybe check syslog for output from that sshd |
| 23:03.06 | k-man | hmm... Missing privilege separation directory: /run/sshd |
| 23:03.38 | k-man | http://ix.io/1BIf |
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| 23:09.12 | kodapa85 | Hey, I'm running Ganeti (2.16.0) on Buster. After the last update qemu is reporting an invalid parameter -balloon |
| 23:09.32 | kodapa85 | The vms now won't start |
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| 23:15.59 | mason | kodapa85: Buster isn't supported yet, is it? |
| 23:16.15 | mason | kodapa85: Maybe try #debian-next on OFTC? |
| 23:17.08 | mason | !debian-next |
| 23:17.09 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 23:17.19 | kodapa85 | @mason not yet and thanks |
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| 23:18.35 | kodapa85 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.54 | mason | kodapa85: On the OFTC network, not Freenode. |
| 23:19.08 | karlpinc | kodapa85: That means you didn't read the part about it being on the otfc network. |
| 23:19.17 | kodapa85 | mason: ops, just seen |
| 23:19.22 | mason | no worries |
| 23:19.37 | k-man | how do i force removal of a package when the pre-removal script fails? http://ix.io/1BIi |
| 23:21.30 | k-man | ok, this did the trick: http://www.bcat.eu/blog/remove-broken-package-ubuntu-debian/ |
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| 23:24.00 | SerajewelKS | k-man: generally you figure out why the script failed and fix it |
| 23:24.06 | SerajewelKS | e.g. manually stop the openvpn service and see what the error is |
| 23:24.13 | SerajewelKS | sometimes it's just a dangling pidfile that you can rm |
| 23:24.33 | k-man | SerajewelKS, the problem with that is I want it gone. i don't really want to invest time in determining why i can't remove it |
| 23:24.48 | k-man | but yes, i guess in a perfect world, one would do that |
| 23:24.52 | SerajewelKS | sure. but if the stop script is failing then there may still be a process running. |
| 23:25.10 | SerajewelKS | the sledgehammer approach is sometimes warranted but it is a last resort |
| 23:25.23 | SerajewelKS | it will work but there may be collateral damage |
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| 23:26.40 | k-man | the process isn't running |
| 23:27.49 | k-man | so i installed the systemd-cron package |
| 23:27.59 | k-man | and I seem to have a few cron jobs that don't work |
| 23:28.20 | ryouma | i use sux - to run a gui program as a specified user. i know that sux is old but idk a replacement. the REAL problem is, even after the program terminates, there are dbus processes running as that user. and also /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gconf/gconfd-2. however, i do not use a de. i use fluxbox. so wy are those processes lying around? |
| 23:34.26 | rant | ryouma: gksu |
| 23:36.05 | ryouma | rant: think that will fix the issue? |
| 23:36.45 | rant | ryouma: nfc, but I know sux isn't in debian and gksu, kdesu, gksudo, etc are.. |
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| 23:44.08 | johnnyfive | Howdy! I have a flat-file repository, and reference it in my sources.list using an absolute path entry, as detailed here: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-handbook/sect.setup-apt-package-repository.en.html - I now receive warnings when I 'apt update', complaining about a "Conflicting distribution", since the codename/suite in my Release file doesn't match the release in the sources.list. |
| 23:44.24 | johnnyfive | Is this expected behavior, a bug, or is there another way to handle this? |
| 23:44.42 | SerajewelKS | change the release in your sources.list to match it? |
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| 23:46.01 | johnnyfive | SerajewelKS, that can't be the only answer. I don't feel comfortable changing the release to "main/", since that is a) non-standard b) could cause other issues in apt if i'm trying to pin thing based on codename/suite? |
| 23:47.56 | johnnyfive | Changing the release:codename or release:suite definitely works, but this can't be the expected behavior |
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