| 00:03.24 | de-facto | how do i install "virtualenv" python 2.7 command on stretch? |
| 00:03.45 | de-facto | i tried |
| 00:03.50 | de-facto | ,v python-virtualenv |
| 00:03.51 | judd | Package: python-virtualenv on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.7.1.2-2; jessie: 1.11.6+ds-1; stretch: 15.1.0+ds-1; buster: 15.1.0+ds-2; sid: 15.1.0+ds-2 |
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| 00:04.13 | de-facto | but it tells me "virtualenv: not found" |
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| 00:07.37 | Ede|Popede | de-facto > https://packages.debian.org/stretch/all/virtualenv/filelist |
| 00:07.43 | Ede|Popede | maybe you need to add this one too |
| 00:08.19 | de-facto | isnt that python3? |
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| 00:08.46 | de-facto | at least it depends on python3 and python3-virtualenv |
| 00:09.01 | Ede|Popede | depends on 3, yes. looking at the structure of all 3 packages it looks like a wrapper to the actual .py file |
| 00:09.27 | de-facto | i think i need virtualenv for python2.7 |
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| 00:11.26 | Ede|Popede | that's the only requirement in the .py > __requires__ = 'virtualenv==15.1.0' |
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| 00:12.25 | Ede|Popede | not sure anymore, but isn't python3 installed anyway? |
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| 00:12.48 | de-facto | im starting from Docker Image debian:stretch-slim |
| 00:14.00 | Ede|Popede | you could 'download' the file and fire up the script, if it works it should be fine |
| 00:14.35 | de-facto | i tried now |
| 00:14.37 | de-facto | ,v virtualenvwrapper |
| 00:14.38 | judd | Package: virtualenvwrapper on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4-2; buster: 4.3.1-2; jessie: 4.3.1-2; sid: 4.3.1-2; stretch: 4.3.1-2 |
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| 00:15.20 | rant | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.49 | rant | you can just say I tried apt install virtualenvwrapper and show the whole output of the command in paste.debian.net |
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| 00:16.30 | rant | triggering the bot to show versions is not helping anything, and just suggesting that you have nfc what you're doing |
| 00:17.03 | de-facto | ok no bot anymore then |
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| 00:18.17 | Ede|Popede | btw, you can msg it also. may even be better if you want to check later again |
| 00:18.41 | rant | the versions of these packages has absolutely nothing to do with this issue |
| 00:19.49 | Ede|Popede | virtualenv is only to start them, virtualenvwrapper for managing? |
| 00:20.08 | de-facto | i never used python before, so i dont know actually |
| 00:21.07 | rant | it would seem you dont know a lot here.. why don't you just start from the beginning |
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| 00:22.21 | Ede|Popede | i think this was what i looked at before leaving oldstable. created lots of scripts in a dotdir and an endless list of helper functions in the env at the first login for every user. |
| 00:23.08 | de-facto | i want to start from beginning, hence my question how to install "virtualenv" for python2.7 |
| 00:24.07 | xormor | so how come icedtea-netx is waiting to be upgraded? |
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| 00:24.34 | rant | that question was already answered.. and didnt help so its clearly not the beginning. If you want more info on that line.. provide the exact command you're typing and its full output on paste.debian.net or back up and start with why you're messing with virtualenv in the first place with no python experience |
| 00:25.19 | rant | xormor: apt policy icedtea-netx | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 00:25.44 | de-facto | i just want to try out https://web2ldap.de/install.html in a Docker image (its developed for opensuse afaik) |
| 00:26.38 | de-facto | so their installation instructions say to use "virtualenv -p python2.7 --no-site-packages /opt/web2ldap |
| 00:27.21 | de-facto | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:27.45 | de-facto | hence i figured it needs "virtualenv" command for python2.7 |
| 00:28.36 | wyoung | de-facto of what? relationships? standards? other? |
| 00:29.13 | de-facto | lol what do you mean? |
| 00:31.06 | wyoung | What are you the de-facto of was my question. |
| 00:31.29 | Ede|Popede | why don't you try then with opensuse first? and if it works there go on to debian |
| 00:32.00 | wyoung | I thought opensuse was dead. |
| 00:32.53 | Ede|Popede | > Short version: Python 2.x is legacy, Python 3.x is the present and future of the language |
| 00:33.16 | Ameisen | What about the future Python 4? |
| 00:33.29 | Ameisen | And Super Python? |
| 00:34.33 | wyoung | Ameisen: super Python is after Pythons on a plane. |
| 00:35.27 | Ameisen | What about Python 64 and Super Python Blue? |
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| 00:36.20 | Ede|Popede | and Red and Black and Purple and Green. in cooperation with WD |
| 00:37.08 | Ameisen | and don't forget about Python Ruby. |
| 00:37.19 | Ede|Popede | > Python 3.0 was released in 2008. The final 2.x version 2.7 release came out in mid-2010, with a statement of extended support for this end-of-life release. The 2.x branch will see no new major releases after that. |
| 00:37.33 | Ede|Popede | should be reason enough _not_ to start with 2 nowadays |
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| 00:37.45 | Ameisen | Why isn't there a Python2 to Python3 bytecode translator, anyways? |
| 00:37.57 | Ameisen | that doesn't strike me as something that should be particularly hard to transcode |
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| 00:48.09 | wyoung | 3.7 <3 |
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| 00:58.49 | Ede|Popede | support plan: perl monday, ruby tuesday, python wednesday |
| 00:59.42 | awal1 | to to search back history when using ctrl-r? |
| 01:00.04 | awal1 | how to search back history when using ctrl-r? |
| 01:00.47 | awal1 | i mean ctrl-r for next result but how i go back to see previous outputs? |
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| 01:05.25 | Ede|Popede | seems ^s does the job if it doesn't collide with XON/XOFF |
| 01:07.07 | awal1 | i already tried ^s but doesn't work. it hangs completly my shell |
| 01:07.32 | Ede|Popede | not the shell, the terminal. `stty [-]ixon` to switch the feature. |
| 01:07.41 | awal1 | the terminal i mean |
| 01:07.46 | de-facto | which debian version would i need for python2.7 virtualenv? |
| 01:08.16 | awal1 | what is XON and XOFF |
| 01:09.29 | awal1 | ok, googled it |
| 01:09.33 | Ede|Popede | flow control in the terminal |
| 01:10.01 | Ede|Popede | now i have a song in my ear about some "good old days" |
| 01:10.31 | awal1 | Ede|Popede, ok, thanks for the trick . i will read about it first and check what happens/what I can do ;) |
| 01:10.38 | yans | Hello! |
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| 01:11.26 | Ede|Popede | awal1: np. maybe you want to redefine the key to something you like |
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| 01:13.15 | awal1 | Ede|Popede, in .bashrc i guess? |
| 01:14.28 | Ede|Popede | awal1: .inputrc (there's also $INPUTRC for override) |
| 01:14.44 | awal1 | inputrc, ok |
| 01:15.37 | Ede|Popede | https://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/html_node/Sample-Init-File.html |
| 01:15.41 | awal1 | Ede|Popede, right no i just use inputrc for set bell-style none |
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| 01:16.19 | Ede|Popede | awal1: does the bell use your soundcard or the speaker? |
| 01:16.42 | Ede|Popede | for some time it was the card here, don't remember why. but i didn't like it |
| 01:16.54 | awal1 | what should i put for change ^r to say Shift-r? |
| 01:17.10 | awal1 | no idea if soundcard or speaker |
| 01:17.16 | awal1 | how to check? |
| 01:17.18 | awal1 | :P |
| 01:18.09 | Ede|Popede | i found out when i disconnected the speakers ;) |
| 01:18.20 | Ede|Popede | one of these oops moments in life |
| 01:18.26 | awal1 | i use internal speakers |
| 01:18.53 | Ede|Popede | ah, i meant the speakers connected to the soundcard |
| 01:19.16 | awal1 | internal speaker connected to sound card? |
| 01:19.19 | Ede|Popede | hm, i was thinking of getting an usb soundcard. |
| 01:19.38 | Ede|Popede | no, normal pair of active speakers |
| 01:19.45 | awal1 | ok |
| 01:19.56 | awal1 | i just have internal ones |
| 01:19.58 | Ede|Popede | ah. speakers vs. speaker :> |
| 01:20.17 | awal1 | what about change ctrl-r to say shift--r ? |
| 01:20.22 | Ede|Popede | i saw no reason to send even a simple beep through the card |
| 01:20.24 | Ede|Popede | hm |
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| 01:24.55 | Ede|Popede | i think the last time i played around with this i also used startx |
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| 01:25.22 | awal1 | i may try later what suggested here https://askubuntu.com/questions/581916/terminal-replacing-ctrlr-with-ctrlk (http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/html_node/Bash-Builtins.html) |
| 01:25.40 | awal1 | via bind command |
| 01:26.12 | awal1 | now dinner time. thanks for your time Ede|Popede :) |
| 01:26.35 | Ede|Popede | np. enjoy :) |
| 01:27.43 | awal1 | gdm too slow, wdm/slim/sddm buggy. I think i will just use startx as i was doing previously (now i use wdm) (sid system) |
| 01:27.49 | awal1 | see ya ;) |
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| 01:30.26 | Ede|Popede | dwm ;) |
| 01:31.27 | Ede|Popede | or good old ctwm |
| 01:32.12 | awal1 | openbox is the "best/complete/stable" |
| 01:32.14 | awal1 | :P |
| 01:32.20 | awal1 | I go cook ;) |
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| 02:05.23 | Skinhaptik | Hey guys does installing Debian with guided encrypted lvm encrypt without issues? |
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| 02:24.50 | Zewwy | Heeeeeee ha!!! |
| 02:25.35 | Zewwy | karlpinc: Thanks for all the help! I got Zoneminder 1.30.4 on Debian 9, using your backport technique instead of third party repo |
| 02:25.41 | Zewwy | and it worked great! |
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| 02:28.13 | karlpinc | Zewwy: I've been wanting to try zoneminder forever and never got around to it. |
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| 02:28.39 | Zewwy | I've been using it for a long time and I love it |
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| 02:28.50 | Zewwy | I tried Shinboi lately but it wasn't that great |
| 02:29.26 | karlpinc | Zewwy: Does zoneminder take much configuration? How long to get a working setup? |
| 02:29.41 | Zewwy | with your technique no time at all |
| 02:29.47 | Zewwy | just follow the rest of that guide I linked |
| 02:29.52 | Zewwy | besides the bad repo part |
| 02:29.57 | Zewwy | I'll make a blog post soon |
| 02:30.01 | Zewwy | I'll share it with you |
| 02:30.07 | Zewwy | zewwy.ca |
| 02:30.24 | Zewwy | HTTP://blog.zewwy.ca |
| 02:30.28 | karlpinc | Zewwy: (Just be sure to read the release note instructions to upgrade from stretch to buster. Then you can just keep running without re-install pretty much forever.) |
| 02:30.49 | karlpinc | Zewwy: When buster becomes stable. |
| 02:30.53 | Zewwy | what's butser? |
| 02:30.59 | Zewwy | ohh |
| 02:31.04 | Zewwy | successor |
| 02:31.32 | karlpinc | !release history |
| 02:31.32 | dpkg | Named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25), Stretch (9; 2017-06-17). Next: Buster. http://deb.li/it56U |
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| 02:32.22 | Zewwy | ohhh |
| 02:32.30 | Zewwy | Wheezy so good |
| 02:32.49 | karlpinc | Zewwy: You want, I'm checking just in case, to have your sources.list say "stretch" and not "stable". That way you don't upgrade in an uncontrolled way. |
| 02:33.24 | Zewwy | correct |
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| 02:39.49 | karlpinc | Zewwy: FYI, my favorite firewall is pf. https://man.openbsd.org/pf.conf But sometimes I use ferm. http://ferm.foo-projects.org/ |
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| 02:43.55 | Zew | I'll work on a script to simplfy the install |
| 02:44.06 | Zew | push it on my git account, and blog about it |
| 02:44.17 | Zew | lets see if I can do that all tonight |
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| 04:53.23 | Deihmos | my new laptop runs like shit on debian |
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| 05:19.29 | wyoung | o/ |
| 05:20.15 | wyoung | gg |
| 05:21.07 | wyoung | hi |
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| 05:23.03 | jim | hi |
| 05:23.07 | wyoung | hi |
| 05:23.13 | wyoung | sup jim? |
| 05:23.21 | jim | not much... you? |
| 05:23.28 | wyoung | At me party |
| 05:23.53 | jim | cool :) |
| 05:23.58 | wyoung | \o/ |
| 05:24.18 | wyoung | Time for scotch now |
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| 05:25.01 | wyoung | mmmm sandwich |
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| 05:25.23 | jim | wyoung, just checking... did you need to ask a debian question? |
| 05:25.28 | wyoung | Where is everyone? Why so quiet? |
| 05:25.46 | jim | not much goin on I guess |
| 05:25.58 | wyoung | jim: Besides when the next release will be. |
| 05:26.11 | wyoung | Not really. just want to chat |
| 05:26.42 | jim | maybe buster is scheduled to freeze... dunno how long after that it'll be released |
| 05:26.46 | wyoung | I am like minded in the debian sphere |
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| 05:26.59 | wyoung | right ok |
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| 05:27.22 | wyoung | Old_Dog: o/ |
| 05:27.43 | Old_Dog | hello |
| 05:27.57 | jim | meanwhile, you can upgrade to buster before it's frozen or released if you want... or install a separate debian that is buster |
| 05:28.40 | jim | Old_Dog, hi |
| 05:28.52 | Old_Dog | howdy |
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| 05:35.51 | Glibdos | Hello all! Is Downloading and installing the Debian 9.8 .iso image relatively safe from the DSA-4371 apt bug now? I mean, if we were to do a net installation of Debian 9.8 and use "sudo apt-get update" to update the new installation, would that be relatively safe from the DSA-4371 bug? |
| 05:36.07 | Glibdos | I have heard that apt got fixed but the only source I could find on that was this: https://www.debian.org/News/2019/20190123 |
| 05:36.07 | Glibdos | And this was released just a day after the bug was found. Does this mean we can do a fresh installation of Debian 9.8 and can use "sudo apt-get update" normally now? |
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| 05:43.15 | themill | Glibdos: yes |
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| 05:50.45 | Glibdos | wow the bug got patched quite fast. Thank you themill :) |
| 05:54.56 | Old_Dog | I have 9.7 on another desktop. Do I need to do anything to it? |
| 05:56.51 | themill | Old_Dog: Do anything in what sense? You should be installing security updates that you have missed. You might like to subscribe to the debian-security-announce list |
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| 05:58.10 | Old_Dog | OK. All I have been doing is check on Synaptic Package Manager every day or so, to see if there are any updates. |
| 05:58.56 | themill | !show sources.list Old_Dog |
| 05:58.57 | dpkg | Old_Dog: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*} |
| 05:59.44 | themill | If you are running 9.7 and you think you are up to date, then something is not right there. |
| 06:00.13 | Old_Dog | hmmm |
| 06:02.07 | Old_Dog | I'm new to Debian. I'm using (and have been using for a while now) Linux Mint. But put Debian 9.7 on that box, just to get familiar with it. |
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| 06:03.20 | Old_Dog | So I need to open a terminal and run head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*} and then paste the output in pastebin? |
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| 06:09.56 | Glibdos | Yes, Old_Dog :) You can submit the output of that command here: https://pastebin.com/ and copy the url of that pastebin here for us to see. |
| 06:10.43 | Glibdos | Since the output of the command is long, using pastebin saves space in the chat. |
| 06:10.59 | Old_Dog | got the output copied onto pastebin, trying to figure out how to get it to give me a URL |
| 06:13.18 | Glibdos | after you click "create new paste" the website should redirect you to the paste you just made. From there you can copy and paste the url from your browser :) |
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| 06:15.11 | Glibdos | you can also set an expiration date, and adjust some of the paste's settings before you create it. |
| 06:15.34 | Old_Dog | https://pastebin.com/pt0FGQcz |
| 06:16.24 | Old_Dog | I think |
| 06:17.19 | Glibdos | nice :) that's good |
| 06:19.28 | themill | (urgh... please don't use pastebin.com) |
| 06:19.54 | Old_Dog | Y'all know an op that could go to ##networking. Bad stuff going on over there |
| 06:20.28 | Old_Dog | themill: Don't use pastebin? I though that is what you told me to do. |
| 06:20.59 | themill | no, don't use pastebin.com; paste.debian.net (or various others) are much less obnoxious to everyone else |
| 06:21.24 | themill | Your sources.list looks fine though. I suspect you are mistaken about running debian 9.7 |
| 06:21.59 | Old_Dog | says 9.7.0 |
| 06:22.47 | Old_Dog | stretch main with MATE DE |
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| 06:25.41 | themill | what says? |
| 06:26.31 | Old_Dog | the results of that command what I just posted in pastebin up at the top |
| 06:26.43 | themill | Comments in your sources.list aren't relevant |
| 06:26.59 | themill | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 06:28.10 | Old_Dog | 9.7 |
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| 06:29.25 | themill | Can you pastebin the output of "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" |
| 06:32.47 | Old_Dog | might take me a bit. for some reason I don't seem to be on the sudors file |
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| 06:35.46 | Old_Dog | got to a root prompt upgrading now |
| 06:35.56 | Zew | I remember Bash being a really good language to script in |
| 06:36.04 | Zew | but after all these years comming from PowerShell |
| 06:36.10 | Zew | Bash feel.... weak |
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| 06:43.32 | Old_Dog | OK themill , I'm updated, upgraded, and updated again. Now 9.8 Thank you! |
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| 06:44.38 | Old_Dog | while I'm sitting here in terminal as root, can you tell me how to add my user name to the sudoers list? |
| 06:44.56 | brieweb | I seem to be having a problem with my apache2 that is serving up http on port 443 even though it looks like I have ssl configured |
| 06:45.00 | brieweb | any tips? |
| 06:45.40 | brieweb | I had apache2.2 installed that was working. I uninstalled 2.2 and install 2.4 |
| 06:45.54 | brieweb | apachectl configtest looks good |
| 06:46.09 | brieweb | I don't see anything in the log files |
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| 07:48.20 | VladTheImplier | Hi all. I got a bizzare problem: All the packages I install don't stick after a reboot. sudo apt-get install filezilla. Reboot, it's gone and I gotta reinstall. Never seen something like this. Am on the newest build of Deepin Linux... |
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| 07:52.31 | nkuttler | deepin? |
| 07:52.43 | nkuttler | !deepin |
| 07:52.43 | dpkg | deepin is a Chinese distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported on #debian. Try their forums at https://www.deepin.org/en/ or #deepin on irc.freenode.net |
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| 07:54.45 | VladTheImplier | Arright thanks. I thought since it uses apt maybe someone has seen something like this before and it's maybe related to the package manager not the distro itself |
| 07:55.04 | at0m|c | !based on debian |
| 07:55.04 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 07:55.58 | at0m|c | many many distro's use apt, and variations on the theme. #debian can't follow up on all these.. |
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| 07:56.46 | VladTheImplier | at0m|c: Sure, I know it's the wrong channel, just on the off chance someone has seen behavior like this under different circumstances. <3 |
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| 07:58.18 | pingfloyd | VladTheImplier: Deepin had spyware |
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| 07:59.02 | at0m|c | VladTheImplier: if installs don't "stick after reboot", that sounds like running from a live-medium (CD? iso on usb?) and not restoring the changes after reboot. changes could be stored on some writable medium. just a guess. |
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| 08:00.47 | VladTheImplier | pingfloyd: Fully aware. Am slowly switching to BSD because of this. It's the out of the box prettyness that drew me to it some time ago. at0m|c: Unfortunately no, It's a straight install. After a year of running this distro it just suddenly does this. |
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| 08:01.41 | VladTheImplier | pingfloyd: To be fair, it wasn't straight up spyware, but the package manager GUI phoned home. They removed it. It had telemetry data. If it's straight up spyware is up for debate. |
| 08:01.55 | pingfloyd | VladTheImplier: or simply use any dist that has never violated the user's freedom and privacy |
| 08:02.14 | at0m|c | when familiar with apt, why not debian :> |
| 08:03.01 | VladTheImplier | pingfloyd: My main laptop rocks gentoo for a couple of years now <3 |
| 08:06.18 | VladTheImplier | at0m|c: The UI is what drew me to it originally. That sexy blur just got to me. Nowadays KDE can do this: https://i.redd.it/k23gf0rfuow11.png , but KDE's blur uses OpenGL is some way that kills performance on my G45 iGPU. Literally becomes sub 20fps with that beauty level. Deepin somehow manages it in a better way, whilst still doing that full background blur thing. |
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| 08:09.36 | kolnpole | hello |
| 08:10.13 | rocketmagnet | hi everyone, when i type $pastebinit -l i get a strange error: https://paste.debian.net/1069798/ |
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| 08:14.50 | kolnpole | helllo i just unstalled deb |
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| 08:14.58 | kolnpole | my wifi is not working |
| 08:15.07 | kolnpole | this is the dmesg log |
| 08:15.09 | kolnpole | https://pastebin.com/x5NKsXqh |
| 08:15.26 | kolnpole | what shoud i do? |
| 08:16.05 | at0m|c | kolnpole: apt install firmware-atheros |
| 08:16.51 | at0m|c | looks like you haven't installed that? [ 3.443087] ath10k_pci 0000:3c:00.0: could not fetch firmware file 'ath10k/QCA6174/hw3.0/firmware-5.bin': -2 |
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| 08:18.18 | kolnpole | at0m|c, i have installed it "firmware-atheros is already the newest version (20190114-1)." |
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| 08:18.56 | kolnpole | at0m|c, i have two files in this folder ath10k/QCA6174/hw3.0/ |
| 08:19.03 | kolnpole | firmware-4.bin firmware-6.bin |
| 08:19.08 | kolnpole | but there is no firmware-5.bin |
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| 08:19.51 | at0m|c | then i don't know.. hopefully somebody else can coin in |
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| 08:24.44 | flux242 | hi, why xml-core/sgml-base packages? What software may use it? |
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| 08:31.27 | n4dir | aptitude why <pkgname> ; may help |
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| 08:34.24 | flux242 | it doesn't |
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| 08:38.32 | at0m|c | in aptitude's curses interface, the package info shows what packages depend on it. |
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| 08:39.08 | at0m|c | i'm sure there's a command line syntax for it, too, but i don't know that. |
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| 08:42.04 | kolnpole | https://pastebin.com/sSzPJJF2 |
| 08:42.15 | kolnpole | the wifi card is showing in iwconfig |
| 08:42.19 | flux242 | so, the xml-core was in the recommends section of the libxml2 and now it's not |
| 08:42.26 | kolnpole | but its not showing in ifconfig |
| 08:42.41 | kolnpole | can any one help |
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| 08:44.12 | flux242 | cannot figure out then how did it slip into my system. Some package in the base system could have dependency to the libxml2 I suppose |
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| 08:45.33 | blackflow | flux242: theres /var/log/apt/history.log |
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| 08:46.20 | blackflow | (and at some point you probably forgot to apt autoremove) |
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| 08:46.55 | flux242 | blackflow: tmpfs on /var/log type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime) |
| 08:49.56 | flux242 | or these libs are leftovers of do-release-upgrade |
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| 08:56.23 | blackflow | flux242: well then, you'll never know now :) |
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| 08:56.44 | blackflow | (that's me scoffing at tmpfs varlog) |
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| 08:57.47 | blackflow | flux242: there's no..... do-release-upgrade in debian.... or it grew one? |
| 08:58.00 | flux242 | i'm on ubuntu |
| 08:58.18 | blackflow | and you're asking in #debian..... just to annoy us? |
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| 08:58.30 | flux242 | same packages |
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| 08:58.43 | blackflow | no, they're not the same |
| 08:59.53 | blackflow | but anyway, at least back up your logs regularly |
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| 09:03.00 | flux242 | history.log shouldn't be in /var/log. I could bind it in my fstab of course but i never needed it anyway |
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| 09:05.42 | flux242 | so, how do you upgrade to the next release in debian then? |
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| 09:11.12 | blackflow | apt dist-upgrade after modifying apt sources list |
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| 09:12.14 | flux242 | any btw, that file history.log is useless anyway. I can grep my bash history for 'apt install' |
| 09:13.31 | flux242 | blackflow: which is what do-release-upgrade script does automatically i suppose |
| 09:14.00 | blackflow | flux242: it's not useless as it shows dependencies installed, removed, etc... as well. all packages, not just those you specify on the command line. |
| 09:14.22 | blackflow | it would tell you exactly when that package was pulled in |
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| 09:18.40 | flux242 | ok, good point. Well, then why did apt devs put in into the /var/log and not into /var/lib, hm |
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| 09:21.39 | BenNZ | flux242: are you asking why the apt devs put the log file in /var/log ? |
| 09:21.56 | blackflow | smells a troll |
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| 09:22.21 | flux242 | yes |
| 09:23.14 | BenNZ | flux242: i cant really speak for them , but its probably due to the fact its a log not a lib |
| 09:23.20 | blackflow | BenNZ: try asking again, but highlight LOG so it's seen from space. |
| 09:23.27 | flux242 | because /var/log shoulb be considered volatile |
| 09:23.57 | blackflow | says who. that's a first one |
| 09:24.14 | blackflow | and systemd would fail miserably if you had persistent journal there |
| 09:24.16 | BenNZ | ok backing away slowly , regretting i said anything |
| 09:24.20 | flux242 | its main source of disk writes |
| 09:25.25 | flux242 | what was that about systemd? |
| 09:27.00 | blackflow | if your varlog is the main source of disk writes that means two things: 1) your machine ain't doing any useful work. 2) could be main source of writes even at 1kb per minute... see #1 |
| 09:28.13 | blackflow | looks at his servers... finds rpool/db/postgres10 ZFS dataset mounted at /var/lib/postgresql/10 the biggest source of disk writes..... ponders mounting it tmpfs instead. |
| 09:30.34 | flux242 | written logs are mainly useless unless your computer isn't working properly. Then you may temporary enable persistent writes. journalctl may be instructed to log into ram |
| 09:31.35 | flux242 | so, var/log is the main source of useless disk writes |
| 09:31.47 | blackflow | flux242: everything you said is true if you want to set it up like that. just don't pretend it's a standard or in any way a generic "SHOULD" per RFC2119 |
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| 09:32.43 | blackflow | and also be aware that you're losing an important trace of what's going on on the system.... I mean..... QED.... you came asking about why a certain package was installed, where apt's history would've helped you find the answer. |
| 09:33.13 | blackflow | you say it's useless but your orig question was very much contradicting you. |
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| 09:38.59 | flux242 | how come i'm contradicting myself if according to you 'everything i say is true' ? Who's contradicting himself here? |
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| 09:41.42 | blackflow | flux242: you are because you did not quote me fully. I said it was true if you wanted to set it up like that. obviousy logs are not useless since you now need them to find out about that package. |
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| 09:55.21 | Greyztar | im getting network failed raise interfaces how may i track down the cause,ive got two configured interfaces which works,disable network-manager som im using ifupdown i guess (,") |
| 09:55.42 | flux242 | blackflow: i see no contradictions to what i said. 'Mainly' in english means that there are exclusions from the rule. Did I say mainly? |
| 09:55.56 | blackflow | flux242: fine, good luck with that. |
| 09:56.29 | Greyztar | also one unconfigured interface,might that be the culprit?ive not configured that last interface anywhere execpt maybe when using network-manager |
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| 10:01.24 | blackflow | Greyztar: pastebin /etc/network/interfaces perhaps? |
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| 10:06.27 | Greyztar | paste.debian.net/1069805 |
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| 10:07.03 | Greyztar | https://paste.debian.net/1069805/ |
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| 10:10.24 | blackflow | Greyztar: that "gateway" line for enx.... stanza is probably wrong, if dhcp eth0 sets a gateway (you may have only one defined). |
| 10:11.03 | Greyztar | blackflow: i just thought of it also im so stupid |
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| 10:11.08 | Greyztar | blackflow: thanks for help |
| 10:11.15 | blackflow | yw |
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| 10:13.37 | Greyztar | blackflow: all good now cheers |
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| 10:47.40 | rocketmagnet | when i want to change the power settings, where should i start ? i'm using mate and i no matter what settings i setup they don't apply |
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| 11:12.27 | JustMozzy | hello everyone. I was wondering if there is a way to reset debian in a way similar to reinstalling but keeping the kernel. are there any tools that reset the system? my package manager seems to be broken and it seem my only way out is reinstalling |
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| 11:17.18 | barteks2x | what is the username and password for the default user on livecd? |
| 11:17.29 | barteks2x | I accidently got myself into lock screen |
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| 11:19.31 | NetTerminalGene | barteks2x, https://stackoverflow.com/questions/30842216/debian-8-live-cd-what-is-the-standard-login-and-password |
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| 11:51.23 | lapideviridi | Morning. I have a raspberry pi connected to a software radio with ethernet, while I am communicating with the pi trough wifi. Just noticed that the pi does not have any internet connection. Pinging 8.8.8.8 gives me a "Network is unreachable" error. Interfaces: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jTttbjzWzG/ Raspbian GNU/Linux 9.6 (stretch) |
| 11:51.37 | lapideviridi | Any suggestions? |
| 11:52.07 | lapideviridi | To clarify, I can connect fine trough ssh on the local network, but it doesn't have internet connection |
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| 12:38.16 | klys | lapideviridi, does your pi have yours listed as the gatweay address? route -n |
| 12:38.56 | klys | lapideviridi, also: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 12:39.20 | lapideviridi | klys, found the error. Removed the gateway line from interfaces, since that set the default gateway. Works fine now |
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| 12:39.35 | klys | okok |
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| 13:19.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peepos |
| 13:19.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | does anybody know where this file went ? zcat /usr/share/doc/zabbix-server-mysql/create.sql.gz | mysql -uzabbix -p zabbix |
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| 13:22.39 | nkuttler | nowhere? it is still at /usr/share/doc/zabbix-server-mysql/create.sql.gz |
| 13:23.11 | nkuttler | the output could have been piped to mysql and might be in the db, if you didn't get an error |
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| 13:26.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | no i got a not such file error |
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| 13:28.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | ls /usr/share/zabbix-server-mysql/ |
| 13:28.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | not doc |
| 13:29.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | rml |
| 13:33.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | got three files i hope i am doing them in right order.. |
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| 14:01.35 | cybercrypto | hi there, does anyone knows when the latte-dock will be available at stable repo? Currently I can only get it from backports. |
| 14:02.24 | NetTerminalGene | cybercrypto, if there isn't, it will not be in stable repo |
| 14:03.13 | cybercrypto | NetTerminalGene: sorry... i got confused. What do you mean? |
| 14:04.12 | NetTerminalGene | if there isn't latte-dock in stable repo, it means it will not be in stable repo |
| 14:04.30 | NetTerminalGene | they don't add new packages to stable |
| 14:05.18 | cybercrypto | NetTerminalGene: Ah ok. I see.... good, thanks. I guess I will try backports for the installation and disable it afterwards. |
| 14:05.43 | blackflow | cybercrypto: to _current_ stable. when buster becomes stable, then obvs stable will have it, assuming the backport exist in buster . |
| 14:08.04 | cybercrypto | blackflow: good. I will take a look and read about it, let me check status of _current / buster |
| 14:09.06 | blackflow | cybercrypto: not "current" as in BSD "CURRENT", but current(ly) Stable Debian, which is Debian Stretch. |
| 14:13.58 | Deihmos | If I have a recent laptop does it make sense to get testing instead |
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| 14:14.13 | Deihmos | Stable seems a bit laggy |
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| 14:16.23 | cybercrypto | blackflow: thanks. |
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| 16:28.02 | karlpinc | Deihmos: You might. But testing might be broken, and does not get security updates. I stick with stable and upgrade when a new version comes out. It's up to you. (See also the <sns> factoid.) |
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| 16:50.23 | physkets | Hi! |
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| 16:50.37 | physkets | Where can I find the build scripts of a package? |
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| 16:51.03 | physkets | I'm looking at its tracker.debian.org page, but can;t find it |
| 16:51.16 | dutchfish | physkets, in the source package? |
| 16:51.53 | physkets | dutchfish: Why will the source contain debian's build script? |
| 16:52.27 | dutchfish | physkets, by its very nature as a source package. I prolly misunderstood your question? |
| 16:52.43 | physkets | what I meant to ask was: |
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| 16:53.01 | physkets | Debian surely uses a script to build it's binaries, right? |
| 16:53.13 | physkets | Where can I find that? |
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| 16:53.38 | physkets | the specific script the is fed to the build server |
| 16:53.52 | dutchfish | physkets, well, there are several ways, most likely you want dpkg-buildpackage to rebuild a debian bin package out of a source package. |
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| 16:54.07 | physkets | nono... I'm not on debian |
| 16:54.32 | physkets | so I can't do that |
| 16:54.38 | dutchfish | physkets, well, as a starter you need a build envirenment, if you want it the Debian way. |
| 16:54.49 | physkets | I have all that |
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| 16:55.00 | physkets | I just need a look at the build script |
| 16:55.12 | physkets | to see if there are any modifications being done at build time |
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| 16:55.19 | physkets | or any patches or fixes |
| 16:55.33 | dutchfish | physkets, then you have 2 options, the way Debian build a package or (depending on the source) compile just the bin out of it in your ow envirenment. |
| 16:56.20 | physkets | yes, so how does Debian build it's packages on it's build server? |
| 16:56.27 | dutchfish | physkets, the debian build envirenment carefully shift the patches in a separate dir (source package) if any. |
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| 16:57.04 | dutchfish | physkets, tip: you can browse the source online of every package. |
| 16:57.21 | physkets | yes, but how do I know what additions debian is making? |
| 16:57.37 | physkets | isn;t that something that will be in the build script? |
| 16:57.43 | physkets | that is what I want to knwo |
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| 16:58.49 | dutchfish | physkets, either examine the source package or the changelog file. |
| 16:59.21 | dutchfish | physkets, nowadays the git might be helpfull as well for that particular package. |
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| 17:00.26 | dutchfish | physkets, also take a peak at this https://wiki.debian.org/UsingQuilt |
| 17:01.01 | dutchfish | physkets, specially at QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches |
| 17:01.39 | dutchfish | physkets, each and every alteration of the upstream sources is well documented in the new maintainers guide. |
| 17:02.18 | dutchfish | physkets, some packages do have patch series |
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| 17:02.44 | physkets | I'm guessing I won't be able to use quilt, because I'm not on debian |
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| 17:03.24 | physkets | dutchfish: You don;t have to write my name everytime you say something... especially when the channel isn't busy |
| 17:03.48 | physkets | So this is the package I'm looking at: |
| 17:03.49 | dutchfish | physkets, well, i advise (if you are really intrested) to setup a Debian build envirenment and learn from the new maintainersguide. Its alot to digest. And, too much to handle in here, unless you have a very specific question. |
| 17:03.51 | physkets | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/microdc2 |
| 17:04.24 | physkets | well, then my specific question is this: |
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| 17:04.32 | physkets | the version of the package is 0.15.6, |
| 17:04.33 | dutchfish | physkets, well, here you can browse the source package for that one https://sources.debian.org/src/microdc2/0.15.6-4/ |
| 17:04.40 | physkets | but on debian, it has a -4 |
| 17:04.55 | physkets | and I just want to know all themodifications applied |
| 17:05.16 | physkets | there seems to be a 'patches' directory |
| 17:05.24 | dutchfish | physkets, the -4 states version for of that particular source, ie 0.15.6 |
| 17:05.48 | physkets | yes, I know that... |
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| 17:06.04 | physkets | it means that there were 4 iterations of modifications |
| 17:06.20 | physkets | I want to use those when I build my own |
| 17:06.37 | dutchfish | physkets, it doenst neccesarely mean 4 alterations, but the maintainer might have rendered 4 diff versions before it was ready for deployment. sometimes builds get stuck, depending of the nature of the package. Like dep. versions. |
| 17:07.03 | physkets | I said 'iteration' not 'alteration' |
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| 17:07.08 | dutchfish | yes |
| 17:07.46 | dutchfish | physkets, here is the nitty gritty of the 'iterations' https://sources.debian.org/src/microdc2/0.15.6-4/debian/patches/ |
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| 17:08.13 | physkets | ya... so I now have to figure out which of those might be relevant to me |
| 17:08.31 | dutchfish | physkets, in this particular case there are quiet a few needed. |
| 17:09.16 | dutchfish | physkets, yes or maybe not, depending on which system you are building against. Thats beyond the scope of Debian. |
| 17:10.23 | dutchfish | physkets, at first glance some are simply bugfixes |
| 17:10.46 | physkets | yes, so I would like those bugfixes |
| 17:10.53 | dutchfish | physkets, and this is the series https://sources.debian.org/src/microdc2/0.15.6-4/debian/patches/series/ |
| 17:11.02 | physkets | I wonder why they weren't upstreamed? |
| 17:11.26 | physkets | what is that series file? |
| 17:11.47 | dutchfish | physkets, either the fixes are Debian specific or the maintainer has done so. You may ask the maintainer. |
| 17:12.22 | physkets | hmm |
| 17:12.36 | dutchfish | physkets, again please read the Debian new maintainers guide. Its all very well documented. hint: patch series are for quilt. |
| 17:13.55 | dutchfish | physkets, nowadays there is also reproducable builds. You might want to read up on that as well. |
| 17:14.26 | dutchfish | (just trying to be helpfull) |
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| 17:15.54 | physkets | Thanks dutchfish |
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| 17:16.08 | dutchfish | physkets, your welcome. |
| 17:16.21 | physkets | *you're |
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| 19:39.57 | AliceKelly | I have couple questions about "apt-get dist-upgrade" I used an older net install dvd to install. If it installs stretch will the net install install the neweest distro ? |
| 19:40.22 | AliceKelly | because i did a dist-upgrade and all it did was upgrade the kernel |
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| 19:41.02 | AliceKelly | and when i did apt-get upgrade after update it said everything was up to date |
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| 19:41.19 | aedinius | AliceKelly: dist-upgade doesn't switch releases for you. 'upgrade' will upgade any packages don't require a removal or installation of another patckage. `dist-upgrade` will upgrade all of the packages, removing and installing as necessary |
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| 19:41.34 | aedinius | To switch to a newer release, you will have to edit sources.list appropriately |
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| 19:42.38 | AliceKelly | ok understood. how does one find the proper sources list ? |
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| 19:46.20 | BCMM | AliceKelly: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgrade-process |
| 19:47.04 | BCMM | (that's for upgrading jessie to stretch. if you're using something older, I think you're meant to go one release at a time) |
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| 19:49.00 | AliceKelly | yes, i believe im 9.x something jessie sounds familiar. i just wanted to test the upgrade process. |
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| 19:53.07 | BCMM | !stretch |
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| 19:53.08 | dpkg | Stretch is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17. "Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch . Ask me about <install stretch>, <release notes>, <jessie->stretch>. |
| 19:53.22 | BCMM | AliceKelly: sounds like you're on the latest stable release anyway |
| 19:54.16 | BCMM | AliceKelly: you can check /etc/os-release or the command `lsb-release -a` to see what you're running |
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| 19:58.34 | AliceKelly | no return on lsb-release -a |
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| 20:00.33 | AliceKelly | wth nano /etc/os-release i see version 9 stretch |
| 20:00.59 | AliceKelly | i guess the net install dvd installs the latest version |
| 20:01.08 | AliceKelly | kinda nice to know |
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| 20:19.52 | AliceKelly | thank you for your help BCMM |
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| 20:54.31 | Shadow_7 | So... amdgpu on buster/sid seems a bit broken since my last update. glxgears doesn't physically show gears and keyboard input gets wonky after trying to run that. |
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| 20:56.42 | annadane | !debian-next |
| 20:56.42 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 21:00.53 | Shadow_7 | technically it's broken on stable too. Although it's been months since I tried. Hence why I'm on buster and now sid with the issue. Perhaps not broken, but gaming on stable was less than joyous or successful. |
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| 21:08.07 | ompaul | Shadow_7: did you know it looks like you didn't see what dpkg said. |
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| 21:09.33 | Shadow_7 | did you know that I did. Hence the "stable" comment |
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| 21:10.29 | Shadow_7 | As i try to figure out how to register/identify on oftc. |
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| 21:26.02 | velix | Sorry for asking in here. When using "dpkg-buildpackage", how can I make it to store all the temporary files for debugging? |
| 21:26.53 | velix | ah, found them. |
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| 21:26.55 | velix | Thanks 4 hel |
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| 21:43.44 | Zewwy | yo karlpinc: https://github.com/Zewwy/Install-Debian9ZoneMinder |
| 21:44.02 | Zewwy | The true easiest way to install ZoneMinder on Debian 9 |
| 21:44.31 | Zewwy | just finsihing up my blog, I'm hoping I can simply grab it from the internet and have a direct run |
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| 21:54.56 | hypn0 | do you need a script just to install it |
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| 22:01.58 | RoyK | Zewwy: I'd suggest using a VM for that if it's a custom installer - you never know⦠|
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| 22:07.28 | cosmicfires | what's the best way to install the eclipse ide on testing? |
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| 22:10.49 | Zewwy | its my custom installer |
| 22:10.55 | Zewwy | lol |
| 22:11.15 | Zewwy | its cleaner than the actual wiki cause my scritp uses backport repos |
| 22:11.25 | Zewwy | instead of unsecure third party repos |
| 22:12.15 | Zewwy | hypn0: well you can follow the "offical" guide? |
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| 22:12.33 | Zewwy | https://wiki.zoneminder.com/Debian_9_64-bit_with_Zoneminder_1.30.4_the_Easy_Way |
| 22:12.54 | Zewwy | but I didn't like dealing with SecureAPT and adding third party keys for a repo I wasn't sure about |
| 22:13.01 | Zewwy | vs the backport repo |
| 22:13.08 | Zewwy | which is far more stable |
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| 22:13.39 | Zewwy | so my script just does all the stuff that guide does only use the offical backport repo instead |
| 22:13.48 | Zewwy | its al lopen source |
| 22:13.54 | Zewwy | if you are unsure look at teh script |
| 22:14.19 | Zewwy | I can't seem to get it to work without saving it first though |
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| 22:14.49 | Zewwy | if I try to pipe it in from a wget it doesn't work, and I even tried installing curl and usign that to pipe it in but nope |
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| 22:19.32 | cheapie | You know, there's something to be said for watching the Debian installer run on an old McDonald's cash register. |
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| 22:22.11 | cheapie | Complete with a random Maxtor hard drive and an old CD burner that proudly proclaims "24x10x40x" hanging off the side. |
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| 22:22.48 | Zew | And blog done.. :D |
| 22:22.52 | Zew | http://zewwy.ca/index.php/2019/02/23/zoneminder-on-debian-9/ |
| 22:23.18 | Zew | that was a fun couple hours |
| 22:23.26 | cheapie | This CD drive isn't exactly fast either :P |
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| 22:24.09 | cheapie | I mean, yeah, it might be rated to read at 40x, but that's for reading CD-ROM and CD-R I guess. It seems to read CD-RW at ~20x, and makes a lot of noise too :P |
| 22:24.30 | rsully | I'm trying to configure a host via debootstrap, how can I script the locales configuration? |
| 22:24.32 | Zew | Retro computing? |
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| 22:24.47 | cheapie | Zew: I guess so, it's an old McDonald's cash register. |
| 22:24.55 | cheapie | Trying to install Debian on it. |
| 22:24.55 | Zew | hahahah waaaa |
| 22:25.07 | Zew | lol nice |
| 22:25.10 | cheapie | The installer is working on "Installing the base system" at the moment. |
| 22:25.18 | Zew | I'd liek to order a bigmac please |
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| 22:25.45 | Zew | whats the specs? |
| 22:25.53 | Zew | CPU, RAM, storage? |
| 22:25.53 | cheapie | Original or current state? |
| 22:26.09 | Zew | curent state i guess |
| 22:26.12 | rsully | both |
| 22:26.55 | cheapie | Original state: 566MHz Celeron, 128MB PC100 RAM, Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 80GB hard drive. I suspect that hard drive had been replaced at some point. |
| 22:27.35 | cheapie | Current state: Pentium III 933EB (running at 700MHz due to chipset limitations), 256MB PC100 RAM, same hard drive, and a random ancient CD burner hanging off the side for OS installation purposes. |
| 22:28.44 | cheapie | The other one (yes, I got two) had a WD200EB 20GB hard drive. I suspect this one probably had one of those when it left the factory, and odds are it later failed and was replaced with that Maxtor. |
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| 22:30.17 | ChmEarl | rsully, locale-gen --lang en_US.UTF-8 |
| 22:30.25 | cheapie | I would have used that drive, but it's very slow (for WD drives of that era, "EB" is slowest, "BB" is faster, and "JB" is fastest) and has *very* worn-out and noisy bearings. |
| 22:30.28 | Zew | what i syour plans with them? |
| 22:30.32 | Zew | do they have touch interfaces? |
| 22:30.38 | ChmEarl | rsully, not exactly from inside chroot |
| 22:30.50 | cheapie | They do have touchscreens, but I don't have high hopes for getting those working under Linux. |
| 22:30.50 | rsully | ChmEarl could you clarify? I am in the chroot |
| 22:31.05 | Zew | never know :) |
| 22:31.29 | Zew | play doom |
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| 22:31.35 | ChmEarl | rsully, run the locale-gen, then check /etc/default/* |
| 22:31.47 | cheapie | It's a 3M MicroTouch something-or-other touch overlay, connected to the 3rd serial port at 9600 baud 8N1. |
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| 22:32.06 | Zew | mhmmmmm |
| 22:32.08 | Zew | classic |
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| 22:32.20 | rsully | ChmEarl what am I looking for there? I see a locale file but it just has a comment "generated by update-locale" but nothing below it |
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| 22:32.52 | rsully | ChmEarl I don't think locale-gen takes any args |
| 22:32.56 | cheapie | gpm appears to *maybe* support it, but I don't know if it's possible to get X to use gpm for mouse input. |
| 22:34.02 | rsully | ChmEarl "locale-gen is a program that reads the file /etc/locale.gen [...]" |
| 22:34.54 | rsully | ChmEarl I'm guessing I need to edit that locale.gen file, uncomment en_US.UTF-8, then run locale-gen |
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| 22:36.22 | holycow | hi all |
| 22:36.32 | holycow | anyone here have experience with zfs? |
| 22:36.58 | holycow | i am not googling up how to mount / umount zfs formatted drives |
| 22:37.08 | holycow | note: single drive zfs based volume |
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| 22:37.42 | holycow | any suggestions on what to google for? everyone spends time telling me how to create zfs volumes but not how to properly take a drive find the pool, mount / umount it |
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| 22:38.31 | cheapie | "mount /dev/whatever /mnt/wherever" doesn't work? |
| 22:38.40 | holycow | its zfs |
| 22:38.43 | holycow | way different |
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| 22:40.34 | rsully | holycow #zfsonlinux |
| 22:40.44 | holycow | no one is answering |
| 22:41.06 | rsully | you're not in that channel |
| 22:41.20 | holycow | oh wrong chan |
| 22:41.21 | holycow | thx |
| 22:41.38 | holycow | hello |
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| 23:07.07 | jhutchins | !locale |
| 23:07.07 | dpkg | A locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales> to establish on a Debian system. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale http://mywiki.wooledge.org/locale |
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| 23:11.28 | cheapie | I find it rather amusing when Debian asks me if I want to install GRUB to the EFI removable media path on computers that don't have UEFI :P |
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| 23:11.46 | cheapie | I mean, it's a Pentium III... you don't normally see a Pentium III and UEFI in the same system. |
| 23:11.57 | Zew | nope |
| 23:12.01 | Zew | BIOS |
| 23:12.12 | cheapie | Exactly, it's a legacy BIOS system. |
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| 23:13.03 | cheapie | Maybe using GPT is what triggers that question. I dunno. |
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| 23:13.28 | Zew | you need EUFI to use GPT discs? maybe |
| 23:13.42 | cheapie | No, Linux boots from GPT just fine without UEFI. |
| 23:13.51 | Zew | mhm |
| 23:13.53 | cheapie | The whole "you need UEFI to boot from GPT" thing is a Windows limitation. |
| 23:13.58 | Zew | ah |
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| 23:15.51 | cheapie | You do need to have a biosgrub partition to boot from GPT on a non-UEFI system, but that's actually a lot less of an ugly hack than GRUB on MBR disks tends to be. |
| 23:16.24 | Zew | Whats so bad with MBR |
| 23:17.02 | cheapie | Lots of limitations (2TB, 4 primary partitions, etc.) and the process of GRUB loading from it is... strange. |
| 23:17.22 | Zew | didn't think on that leacy system any of that would be a problem lol |
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| 23:17.47 | cheapie | It's not on something that old, no, but there's no harm in using GPT either. |
| 23:17.47 | Zew | does it even have a bus to handle a drive lager than 2TB? |
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| 23:18.49 | cheapie | Yes, you could use a PATA-to-SATA adapter to connect a SATA hard drive to it. The BIOS likely won't detect anything that large properly, but it doesn't really need to as long as you can fit a /boot partition within what it *can* see. |
| 23:18.57 | cheapie | Once Linux starts up, it should be able to see the rest. |
| 23:19.18 | Zew | intersesting |
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| 23:20.05 | trysten | so i'm using davfs2 to mount some directories on my hosting provider. When I edit the files with vim it leavs behind many swap files like .swz and .swo~ and stuff. Any idea what's going on? |
| 23:20.07 | cheapie | If the BIOS just outright fails to detect the drive at all (freezes, 0MB, whatever) then you can probably do some HPA trickery. |
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| 23:21.14 | RoyK | trysten: vim usually does that if it's interrupted |
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| 23:24.38 | RoyK | trysten: how did you quit vim? not with ctrl+z? |
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| 23:30.08 | trysten | RoyK: just my usual :wq |
| 23:30.20 | trysten | Sometimes vim warns me that the file has changed since opening |
| 23:30.53 | RoyK | which file was this? |
| 23:31.14 | RoyK | some programs edit their config files themselves |
| 23:31.29 | RoyK | and some systems get hacked⦠|
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| 23:32.35 | trysten | Hehe ouch |
| 23:35.00 | RoyK | trysten: if you think you've been hacked, change passwords and reinstall |
| 23:35.13 | RoyK | you never know what whoever left there |
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| 23:35.45 | trysten | Well i was complaining about .htaccess and you made a good point so i just tested it on a new index.html and I get the same behavior. Vim is quitting gracefully. This is what it might look like after i create index.html with vim and write the contents "hello world" with :wq http://paste.debian.net/1069872 |
| 23:35.57 | RoyK | but then - usually there's a logical explaination unless it's some file that won't be altered |
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| 23:36.40 | trysten | I'm not considering a security breach at this time. I think it's something to do with davfs caching and my lack of understanding |
| 23:37.12 | trysten | Maybe davfs2 is introducing some latency that's confusing vim? |
| 23:37.29 | RoyK | possibly - never used it |
| 23:37.59 | RoyK | but I guess your guess is closer than a hacker |
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| 23:39.03 | RoyK | trysten: try to talk to the davfs2 guys - there's usually a mailing list |
| 23:39.53 | RoyK | trysten: or an irc channel, perhaps |
| 23:40.25 | RoyK | not that I could find one |
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| 23:54.36 | trysten | Thanks for help RoyK :) |
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| 23:58.31 | cheapie | Well, that took forever... but it's up and running :P |
| 23:59.00 | cheapie | Apparently GRUB doesn't get along with the video chip in this thing, but extlinux does. |
| 23:59.28 | cheapie | I don't have X running *yet*, but I'm able to boot and log in in text mode now. |
