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| 00:01.54 | cheapie | Also I can do the rest of the config over SSH. Much nicer :P |
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| 00:08.38 | yans | y0! |
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| 00:23.14 | trysten | Here's a good example of all the files i'm getting using vim on a davfs2 mount. In case anyone is curious: http://paste.debian.net/1069886 |
| 00:23.25 | shellclear | hi, there is a way to use onyl discrete gpu in a optimus system with proprietary drivers? |
| 00:26.55 | trysten | shellclear: https://www.bumblebee-project.org/ |
| 00:28.39 | shellclear | trysten: I already use bumblebee but I need to switch graphic card everytime usingg optirun command. I would like to use only discret card or if it is not possible to use discrete gpu as primary and intel as secondary |
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| 00:31.48 | Zew | cheapie: nice |
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| 00:37.51 | trysten | shellclear: option 1: add optirun to your .desktop files so your commonly used apps launch properly |
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| 00:42.40 | trysten | shellclear: option 2: disable the IGA or reverse PRIME |
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| 00:44.42 | shellclear | Okay, lets google :D |
| 00:46.12 | trysten | shellclear left too soon. Someone give them this link if they come back: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/375.26/README/randr14.html |
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| 00:53.19 | phogg | trysten: he's still logged on; you could /msg |
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| 00:58.41 | trysten | thanks phogg |
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| 00:59.18 | phogg | trysten: and actually meanwhile here he is |
| 01:00.10 | trysten | perhaps drawn by my /msg |
| 01:01.23 | phogg | trysten: no, he actually joined just as I first talked to you. I just failed to notice. |
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| 01:26.24 | galaxie | So, I was trying to uninstall apache2-bin from my local Debian 9 installation, and I believe I accidentally typed Ctrl-B X and killed the tmux pane while it was uninstalling roundcube-core. Now things are in a bit of an unstable state. |
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| 01:27.44 | galaxie | I've tried sudo apt --fix-broken install and stuff, but things keep on getting locked down and the sudo process isn't even running anymore! |
| 01:27.57 | maxtim | hey ya'll. I'm doing a fresh install of of debian for a plexmedia server and maybe an apche web server. what's a reasonable partition size for /srv |
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| 01:33.32 | themill | galaxie: can you pastebin the command and output for us? (paste.debian.net) |
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| 01:45.42 | galaxie | themill: I believe I fixed it by reinstalling apache2-bin, thanks. |
| 01:46.02 | themill | :) |
| 01:47.29 | karlpinc | maxtim: /srv is all about your data, so it's kinda up to you. |
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| 01:51.18 | GnuLinuxCat | Hello everyone :) I am new to Debian. I downloaded the .iso image and it's SHA512SUMS files. I am trying to verify them but I can't seem to import the right public key. http://paste.debian.net/1069893/ |
| 01:51.27 | GnuLinuxCat | How do I know what is the right key to retrieve from keyring.debian.org to verify the .iso image? |
| 01:51.49 | themill | GnuLinuxCat: what OS are you currently using? |
| 01:52.31 | themill | (they keys used are listed at https://www.debian.org/CD/verify ) |
| 01:52.34 | GnuLinuxCat | Trisquel 8. It's based on ubuntu |
| 01:52.45 | themill | you could also install the debian-keyring package to get them |
| 01:53.09 | themill | !check iso signature |
| 01:53.10 | dpkg | On a Debian box, you can check the installer images are legitimate using the signature file that comes with them. When downloading the ISO, also get the SHA256SUMS and SHA256SUMS.sign files in the same directory, then: "apt-get install -t sid debian-keyring; sha256sum -c SHA256SUMS; gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-role-keys.gpg --verify SHA256SUMS.sign". See also <check iso image>. |
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| 01:56.21 | GnuLinuxCat | ok ty :) |
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| 02:57.20 | jardiamj | Hi guys! I need some advice. I am going to install a 250G mSATA ssd drive in my Thinkpad, I looked online for partition and directory schema recommendations but I couldn't find anything concrete. |
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| 02:58.37 | jardiamj | right now, I have Debian with Windows dual boot in this laptop. The only reason I haven gotten rid of windows is because I use it to update the BIOS every once in a long while. |
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| 03:00.28 | rwp | jardiamj, If you don't need windows anymore then the best thing is to remove those partitions freeing up the entire disk for Debian. |
| 03:00.42 | jardiamj | I don't remember all the particular but I read somewhere that I could moved my root directory to a partition in my SSD and make it boot from there. |
| 03:00.55 | rwp | jardiamj, For partitions in Debian... If you have to ask then it is best for you to have one large partition for everything. |
| 03:02.14 | jardiamj | I have done partitioning before, in fact I am using LVM in this laptop. |
| 03:02.41 | rwp | Well there you go then! :-) |
| 03:02.51 | jardiamj | my confusions comes from reading about the read and write limitations of SSDs, which is all new to me. |
| 03:03.16 | rwp | My advice is to ignore all of that and simply treat the SSD as your would any spinning disk before it. |
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| 03:03.46 | jardiamj | so, I guess my question is: what should I put in the SSD and what in the HDDs? |
| 03:04.17 | rwp | You said laptop. Do you have multiple storage devices in your laptop? Otherwise we would assume precisely one storage device. |
| 03:05.13 | jardiamj | I have 2 500G HDDs, and I am going to install one 250G mSATA SSD |
| 03:05.26 | jardiamj | yes, it is a laptop. |
| 03:05.32 | rwp | In a laptop!? Wow! :-) |
| 03:05.38 | jardiamj | Thinkpad T420. |
| 03:05.53 | jardiamj | correct. |
| 03:05.55 | rwp | I am typing on a Thinkpad X220 right now. |
| 03:06.26 | toruvinn | put his x220 in a closet. |
| 03:06.31 | jardiamj | I replaced the cd rom with a caddy and installed another hard drive there. |
| 03:06.32 | toruvinn | love that lap but it's a bit too heavy nowadays |
| 03:06.36 | rwp | You can split up the file system any which you like. Warning: In the old days people might have split /usr out. But that is no longer supported. Make sure /usr is on your root partition. |
| 03:06.43 | toruvinn | hence on x1 carbon now ;-) |
| 03:06.48 | jardiamj | and my thinkpad comes with a slot for an mSATA SSD |
| 03:06.55 | toruvinn | still usable keyboard, but nothing beats old thinkpads like x220. |
| 03:07.19 | rwp | The x220 is the last of the good classic keyboards. |
| 03:07.24 | toruvinn | trying to remember how to get fctix work in Vivaldi (or Chrome) |
| 03:07.54 | rwp | Although I ran into someone IRL the other day who had removed and replaced the chicklet island keyboard with the classic older one in his Thinkpad. Which was pretty cool. |
| 03:07.56 | toruvinn | rwp, exactly that's why i have x220 in my closet ;-) waiting for its time to come, again. fairly sure that carbon will fail at some point. x220 is indestructible. |
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| 03:08.20 | jardiamj | my T420 is about 10 years old, the only meh thing is the screen. |
| 03:08.26 | toruvinn | rwp, ah yeah, i've heard about that. it's not easy though as the, umm, socket is different iirc |
| 03:08.34 | toruvinn | jardiamj, probably not too meh anyway. |
| 03:09.04 | rwp | jardiamj, You were asking for advice on how to split a system across 1x 250G SSD + 1x 500G spinning disk. Is that a good summary? |
| 03:09.10 | jardiamj | besides that, I have 16G of ram in this thing with 2 hard drives at the moment I'll install the ssd today. |
| 03:09.41 | toruvinn | that's a pretty huge system if you need 750GB ;-) |
| 03:10.04 | jardiamj | I think I'll stick to using LVM, and since I read about a way to update the BIOS without Windows I'll get rid of that thing. |
| 03:10.07 | rwp | In that case of course putting the root file system on the SSD makes sense. Putting everything there makes sense. I would tend to mount the 500G spinning as /data and just use it for extra stuff. But that is just me. |
| 03:10.25 | toruvinn | rwp, would do the same. |
| 03:10.36 | toruvinn | if you're gonna be coding there, keep your stuff on SSD. |
| 03:10.42 | toruvinn | spinning disk for, i dunno, movies, music? |
| 03:10.48 | rwp | These days BIOS updates almost always use a bootable FreeDOS image. |
| 03:11.02 | rsully | How can I script an install of @zfs-dkms? When I run "apt install --yes @zfs-dkms" ansible gets stuck on the license I think |
| 03:11.15 | rsully | s/@zfs/zfs/ |
| 03:12.33 | jardiamj | so, I think I got my plan: I'll install everything in SSD and mount the HDDs as data. |
| 03:12.37 | rwp | Among other things in your script set and export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive DEBCONF_ADMIN_EMAIL="" UCF_FORCE_CONFFMISS=1 (the things I do). |
| 03:13.05 | rsully | rwp is part of the issue apt vs apt-get? |
| 03:13.06 | rwp | rsully, I haven't scripted an install of zfs yet though. Is it using debconf? |
| 03:13.14 | rsully | rwp I am unsure |
| 03:13.39 | jardiamj | Thanks guys! |
| 03:13.39 | rsully | How could I find out |
| 03:13.45 | rwp | I am thinking it is using one of the interactive dialog routines which should be forced to noninteractive using DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive. But without that it will get stuck asking questions. |
| 03:14.22 | rsully | The zfs license thing is just an "ok" |
| 03:14.23 | jardiamj | @rwp, 1x 250G SSD + 2x 500G spinning disks. |
| 03:15.01 | rwp | jardiamj, Oh 2x(!) spinning disks. But I think you had one of those for Microsoft though, right? *Both* for Debian? Cool! |
| 03:16.07 | rwp | rsully, The way I have handled this before is by using EDITOR to edit the answer to the question. Example from the old Sun Java package: list="sun-java6-jre sun-java6-jdk" setting="shared/accepted-sun-dlj-v1-1" DEBIAN_FRONTEND=editor EDITOR='perl -pi -e "s@$setting=.*@$setting=\"yes\"@"' apt-get -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confnew install -y -qq $list |
| 03:16.23 | jardiamj | rwp, I do now have one for MS but since I am going to get rid of it I'll have both for Debian now. |
| 03:16.39 | jardiamj | or another distro for that matter. |
| 03:16.53 | rwp | You can always put it on a shelf if you want to restore it later. But of course if that is Vista or 8 then it should burn in a dumpster fire. |
| 03:18.01 | rwp | rsully, The way that works is that DEBIAN_FRONTEND=editor says to present you with a file in $EDITOR for selection. I override EDITOR with that perl one-liner to edit the file as I want instead. In this case to accept the Sun Java license agreement. |
| 03:18.26 | rwp | rsully, Also imagine that in multiple lines in a readable script. I put them all on one line for irc because I didn't feel like creating a paste for it. |
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| 03:18.45 | rsully | rwp sure, understood. But for an "ok" button how does that work |
| 03:19.24 | rwp | I assume that if you are automating this that you are planning to do many in the future. And so will need to do a few test installs yourself ahead of time in preparation. |
| 03:19.36 | rwp | Do a test install with DEBIAN_FRONTEND=editor and see what the text of the file presented to you contains. |
| 03:19.49 | jim | do you really want to use sun/orackle java? there's also the openjdks |
| 03:20.08 | rwp | Then use whatever you feel comfortable with (perl oneliner in that example) and edit the file non-interactively to accept it. |
| 03:20.35 | rwp | jim, No. That is a 10+ year old example of accepting a license agreement that I pulled out of my archive for the example. |
| 03:20.35 | rsully | rwp automating more just to have it well documented and to learn how to use ansible better. I don't expect to actually do this more than a handful of times |
| 03:20.55 | rwp | rsully, That's fine too! Good deal. |
| 03:21.02 | rsully | rwp but yeah I will experiment with it |
| 03:22.37 | rwp | rsully, I should paste it. Here is what it looked like in the script: http://paste.debian.net/plain/1069898 |
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| 03:23.44 | rsully | rwp cool, I appreciate it |
| 03:24.03 | rwp | Happy hacking! :-) |
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| 05:17.46 | COOurb | hell0, I need to run script on linux loading, but I can't install it with update-rc.d |
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| 05:18.04 | COOurb | Where I can check if anything is wrong? |
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| 05:22.11 | well_laid_lawn | COOurb: are you using systemd ? |
| 05:23.11 | COOurb | nope, it's a simple script for running vpn |
| 05:24.02 | COOurb | or what you mean? |
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| 06:11.33 | COOurb | so, is it some very hard task? |
| 06:11.46 | COOurb | Because I still can't make it run |
| 06:13.37 | themill | no, but you've not told us anything about what you've tried or what happened |
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| 06:19.47 | COOurb | I've tried this "update-rc.d run_vpn defaults". run_vpn is a simple script |
| 06:19.51 | COOurb | and nothing happened |
| 06:20.46 | themill | do /etc/rc*.d/run_vpn now exist? |
| 06:20.57 | COOurb | nope |
| 06:21.15 | themill | and update-rc.d didn't have any output |
| 06:21.20 | COOurb | I saw some "###BEGIN INIT INFO" block. I added this block, changed some "dependencies" but still doesn't work |
| 06:21.27 | COOurb | no output from it |
| 06:22.15 | themill | Can you pastebin /etc/init.d/run_vpn for us? |
| 06:22.56 | COOurb | sure |
| 06:23.04 | COOurb | what pastebin should I use? |
| 06:23.11 | themill | paste.debian.net works well |
| 06:23.20 | COOurb | I mean, do you have some "special only for thgsi channel pastebin custom service"? |
| 06:23.22 | COOurb | ok |
| 06:24.24 | COOurb | https://paste.debian.net/1069906/ |
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| 06:24.45 | COOurb | when I run it from console it works |
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| 06:27.55 | themill | it will need the header info for update-rc.d to like it |
| 06:28.07 | themill | are you booting with sysvinit or systemd? |
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| 06:39.34 | COOurb | ðùö ñôò Ø âóàøòó øå, |
| 06:39.41 | COOurb | How can I define it? |
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| 07:06.03 | COOurb | oh well |
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| 07:18.39 | COOurb | themill: dude |
| 07:22.13 | themill | hmm? |
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| 07:30.44 | COOurb | How can I define do I use sysvinit or systemd? |
| 07:30.48 | COOurb | I'm kinda noob |
| 07:31.25 | themill | COOurb: what does "ps 1" say? |
| 07:31.36 | themill | (you'd be using systemd if you had not otherwise tried not to) |
| 07:32.02 | COOurb | it says /sbin/init |
| 07:32.37 | themill | what does "readlink -f /sbin/init" say? |
| 07:32.46 | themill | (which release of Debian is this?) |
| 07:33.04 | COOurb | systemd |
| 07:33.08 | COOurb | Stretch |
| 07:33.39 | themill | Creating a systemd unit to run this program is a lot easier than writing an init script |
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| 07:36.37 | themill | COOurb: untested -- http://paste.debian.net/1069907/ |
| 07:36.57 | themill | err delete that "Restart" line |
| 07:37.32 | COOurb | ok, will try now |
| 07:38.49 | themill | copy it to /etc/systemd/system/myvpn.service; systemctl enable myvpn; systemctl start myvpn |
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| 07:48.00 | COOurb | with what user it starts? Can I specify it? |
| 07:48.34 | themill | yes, User=foobar; (see systemd.service(5)) |
| 07:48.54 | themill | I would have assumed the vpn needed to start as root though |
| 07:49.49 | COOurb | nah, it's kinda wrapper around OpenVPN with some providers features |
| 07:50.12 | COOurb | So to configure it it uses profiles |
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| 07:50.21 | COOurb | it stores it somewhere |
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| 07:53.31 | COOurb | I can't finde where I should type User=MyUser |
| 07:53.40 | COOurb | What section? |
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| 07:57.07 | COOurb | ah, found |
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| 08:00.42 | COOurb | yeah, it wants root |
| 08:00.55 | COOurb | But usualy I run it with "sudo" |
| 08:01.12 | COOurb | how can I "impersonate" another user? |
| 08:02.02 | at0m | COOurb: man sudo > sudo -u $USER |
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| 08:04.13 | COOurb | nope |
| 08:04.29 | COOurb | it asks for root |
| 08:04.47 | at0m | as user, probably. cos you can't just sudo to any user, unless you're root |
| 08:05.14 | COOurb | When I run it with User=MyUser and sudo it writes error because it hasn't tty and hasn't password command |
| 08:05.14 | at0m | so then first "sudo su" to become root |
| 08:05.28 | at0m | or just su.. |
| 08:05.37 | at0m | depends, if you have a root pw set |
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| 08:07.20 | COOurb | ?? |
| 08:07.50 | COOurb | As I said it works when I do "sudo pvpn -l". But then I must enter the password |
| 08:08.11 | COOurb | So last step (entering password) can't be done because notty->nopassword |
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| 08:10.00 | at0m | then "sudo -u $USER -s /bin/sh" |
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| 08:10.27 | COOurb | is it ok for Unit file? |
| 08:10.48 | COOurb | I mean, will I heve to enter password? |
| 08:11.33 | at0m | not when you run that as root |
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| 08:16.40 | COOurb | so how I run pvpn next? |
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| 08:20.07 | COOurb | just some errors |
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| 08:24.36 | COOurb | Syntax error: word unexpected(expecting ")") |
| 08:24.43 | COOurb | damn, it's harder |
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| 08:55.12 | COOurb | ok, I found all config files, copied them into root's directory,. Now I can run pvpn with root user |
| 08:55.40 | COOurb | BUT in service case it exits rigth after finishing connection |
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| 08:56.02 | COOurb | journalctl says that connection properly established and then just finished |
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| 09:06.49 | no_gravity | Hello! Sometimes the ssh connection between my desktop and my laptop suddenly hangs for a while. Any ideas how to go about this? |
| 09:08.54 | jim | generally, you'd want to try to find out what's causing it |
| 09:09.06 | no_gravity | Exactly my thinking. |
| 09:09.10 | no_gravity | Are we twins? |
| 09:10.05 | jim | well anything interesting in any /var/log files? |
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| 09:11.29 | jim | there are time stamps, so if you can match the time stamp to actually when it happened, that could help you match any interesting messages with the actual "hanging" |
| 09:11.57 | no_gravity | Hard to say when it started hanging. |
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| 09:11.59 | no_gravity | Some minutes ago. |
| 09:12.10 | jim | if you have a clock you can look at, or if your os isn't frozen too, you can run date |
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| 09:12.28 | at0m | also, "journalctl -f" will tail/follow logs |
| 09:12.32 | jim | if the clock is synced to NTP, that can help too |
| 09:13.20 | no_gravity | Funny, in the second ssh session, I killed the other bash session. And that made the first ssh session end with 'Connection to machine1 closed' |
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| 09:15.46 | at0m | no_gravity: disconnecting a screen session in a second session will terminate the first session. do you have screen running in that ssh session. |
| 09:15.53 | at0m | s/./? |
| 09:16.01 | no_gravity | at0m: In the first session I had screen running. |
| 09:16.09 | at0m | hence the disconnect |
| 09:16.42 | no_gravity | I wonder if the hanging could be a screen issue. |
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| 09:18.00 | at0m | i sometimes get the same here, but it's an issue of an interface going down momentarily, as shown by journalctl -f |
| 09:18.17 | no_gravi1y | Hmm... |
| 09:20.23 | Greyztar | is it a special package to get htop to show cpu temperature? |
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| 09:22.32 | at0m | ,v htop |
| 09:22.33 | judd | Package: htop on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1-1; jessie: 1.0.3-1; jessie-backports: 2.0.2-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.0.2-1; buster: 2.2.0-1+b1; sid: 2.2.0-1+b1 |
| 09:22.50 | at0m | cpu temp is in htop since 2.0.2 |
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| 09:25.05 | at0m | can you get cpu temp from sensors? (for example, from psensor) |
| 09:25.06 | Greyztar | ok thats strange im on stretch and doesnt show up,using sensors command shows the temperature though |
| 09:25.14 | at0m | ok.. |
| 09:26.03 | Greyztar | at0m: thanks anyway atleast i know it should be there |
| 09:26.36 | vorkosigan2019 | My ThinkPad X220 (Testing) is freezing when connection to the docking station |
| 09:27.10 | COOurb | how to enable running scripts with rc.local? |
| 09:27.38 | Greyztar | COOurb: try set chmod +x on it i think |
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| 09:28.34 | vorkosigan2019 | I already looked around in /var/log but I was unable to locate a reason for the freeze. Video output cannot be modified - neither via build-in keyboard/mouse nor with external. Plus it seems like that a few seconds after freeze the CPU fan starts spinnging. How to debug? |
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| 10:03.49 | at0m | Greyztar: funny how CPU Temp is shown 18°C lower than individual cores temp's here |
| 10:04.30 | at0m | and SSD shows 98°C. uh, right. |
| 10:04.34 | rant | my only requirements other than debian support is cheap and 4 or more ports would be nice |
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| 10:07.19 | xormor | can you see my homepage? --> http://dyvyj-y298cssth73wbwt-4.rev.dnainternet.fi/ |
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| 10:09.00 | xormor | deb, can you see my homepage? http://dyvyj-y298cssth73wbwt-4.rev.dnainternet.fi/ |
| 10:09.09 | xormor | elkalamar, can you see it? |
| 10:09.33 | at0m | xormor: server not found |
| 10:09.43 | xormor | at0m, ok. |
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| 10:10.28 | FinalX | it's ipv6-only |
| 10:11.55 | FinalX | there's something listening on port 80, but it's extremely slow |
| 10:12.21 | xormor | FinalX, I see... |
| 10:12.30 | FinalX | xormor: seems like your basic Apache install is working fine |
| 10:12.31 | at0m | oh indeed resolves to ipv6 |
| 10:12.53 | FinalX | ,v apache2 |
| 10:12.54 | judd | Package: apache2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u13; jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u12; jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u12; stretch-security: 2.4.25-3+deb9u4; stretch: 2.4.25-3+deb9u6; sid: 2.4.37-1; buster: 2.4.38-2 |
| 10:12.56 | xormor | FinalX, ok. |
| 10:13.08 | FinalX | and you're running stretch, judging by the version number |
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| 10:13.22 | xormor | FinalX, yes. |
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| 10:20.35 | xormor | FinalX, what about now? I installed lighttpd |
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| 10:36.33 | ychaouche | Hello #debian |
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| 10:37.53 | ychaouche | I installed fusioninventory and I'm wondering if the /etc/default/fusioninventory-agent file is mandatory ? it's not present after installation and when I run /etc/init.d/fusioninventory-agent it says : Daemon mode disabled in /etc/default/fusioninventory-agent |
| 10:39.15 | at0m | ,v fusioninventory |
| 10:39.17 | judd | No package named 'fusioninventory' was found in amd64. |
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| 10:39.57 | ychaouche | ,v fusioninventory-agent |
| 10:39.58 | judd | Package: fusioninventory-agent on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.2.3-8; jessie: 1:2.3.10.1-1; buster: 1:2.4.2-1; sid: 1:2.4.2-1 |
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| 10:42.18 | at0m | ychaouche: so then default installation doesn't run as daemon, only standalone, i guess. until you make a /etc/default/fusioninventory-agent that enables daemon mode. and yea, i would expect /etc/default/$app to be there. but when it isn't, make one.. |
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| 10:43.12 | ychaouche | I don't even know what to put in there |
| 10:43.22 | ychaouche | or what can be put in there |
| 10:43.35 | ychaouche | I guess I'll have to refer to the fusioninventory website and figure it out. |
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| 10:44.43 | at0m | maybe /usr/doc/fusioninventory* has something. in any case, you could file a bug report for that default file being missing |
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| 11:14.10 | laughingtiger | hi all sorry to bother you but I have a strange problem regarding debian, when I test my network speed, in windows 10 it's normal, full speed, but in debian it shows only less than half of the full speed. both I used the same website. just don't know what's going on. |
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| 11:15.43 | laughingtiger | I've ruled out firefox's possibility of causing it. |
| 11:15.45 | BCMM | laughingtiger: by network speed, you mean internet rather than just lan speed here? |
| 11:15.45 | at0m | laughingtiger: to exclude your download program, there's a speedtest-cli |
| 11:15.59 | laughingtiger | BCMM, internet speed |
| 11:16.16 | laughingtiger | at0m, what's that, pls tell me. |
| 11:16.45 | at0m | laughingtiger: apt show speedtest-cli |
| 11:17.41 | laughingtiger | at0m, thank you let me try that. |
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| 11:19.52 | at0m | laughingtiger: also, you can check your NIC speed with "ip a", in case debian auto-negates it as 100Mbps |
| 11:20.17 | at0m | which it shouldnt, if it's 1000Mbps both ends |
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| 11:23.33 | laughingtiger | at0m, is it default qlen value? the ip a command |
| 11:23.56 | BCMM | there's a few old SIS gigabit NICs which only do 100Mb/s with the linux driver |
| 11:23.56 | at0m | laughingtiger: right |
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| 11:24.28 | laughingtiger | at0m, also the speedtest command uses the same server as I used in firefox, speedtest.net, so it's the same result. |
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| 11:24.52 | laughingtiger | at0m, that's 1000. |
| 11:24.56 | at0m | laughingtiger: speedtest.net has many different IP's, depending on location and what not |
| 11:25.00 | at0m | ok |
| 11:25.34 | BCMM | that's not what qlen is |
| 11:25.42 | BCMM | that's the length of the transmission buffer, in packets |
| 11:25.44 | at0m | BCMM: oh? |
| 11:25.51 | BCMM | qlen = "queue length" i think |
| 11:26.43 | BCMM | ethtool is the usual way of checking this |
| 11:26.58 | BCMM | i don't know if ip has a way of getting that information, as it's kind of a physical layer thing |
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| 11:27.57 | at0m | laughingtiger: "ethtool $interface | grep Speed" then |
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| 11:32.07 | laughingtiger | at0m, well, ethtool shows speed is 100Mb/s |
| 11:32.39 | laughingtiger | at0m, so it should be 1000Mb/s I guess? |
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| 11:33.05 | BCMM | laughingtiger: well, is it definitely a gigabit NIC? |
| 11:33.17 | BCMM | laughingtiger: what does it shows in "Supported link modes:"? |
| 11:33.29 | at0m | ethtool $interface can show advertised capabilities |
| 11:33.41 | laughingtiger | at0m, and sorry for the delay as I was trying to understand the ethtool command myself didn't know you've told me. |
| 11:33.49 | at0m | laughingtiger: no worries |
| 11:34.08 | BCMM | laughingtiger: also, how fast/slow is your internet connection? is ethernet even a potential bottleneck? |
| 11:35.10 | laughingtiger | BCMM, link modes is 10baseT/half 10baseT/full 100baseT/half 100baseT/full 1000baseT/full |
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| 11:36.03 | laughingtiger | BCMM, I don't think ethernet is the bottleneck. |
| 11:36.12 | BCMM | ah, so it should be gigabit-capable. however: 1. was it definitely working at gigabit speeds in windows? 2. is your router gigabit? 3. was your previous internet connection speed more than 100Mb/s anyway? |
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| 11:37.09 | at0m | laughingtiger: if you have another machine on the LAN, iperf can show LAN throughput. but firstly, ^^ |
| 11:37.42 | BCMM | laughingtiger: it would help to know what the actual speed test numbers were (good and bad) |
| 11:37.59 | BCMM | that might completely rule out ethernet mii as a bottleneck |
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| 11:38.53 | laughingtiger | BCMM, speedtest shows it works at gigabit speed in windows. and I'm sure router is the correct type. |
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| 11:39.06 | BCMM | laughingtiger: gigabit speeds to the internet? |
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| 11:39.44 | laughingtiger | BCMM, yes, in windows it's 320MB/s or so. |
| 11:40.09 | laughingtiger | erh, 32MB/s maybe? |
| 11:40.14 | BCMM | laughingtiger: there's a difference between MB/s and Mb/s; please double-check what you're using |
| 11:40.16 | laughingtiger | download speed |
| 11:40.24 | BCMM | because if it's only a gigabit ethernet adaptor, it can't do 320MB/s |
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| 11:40.37 | laughingtiger | yeah, I'm sure it's 30MB/s for download speed |
| 11:41.30 | BCMM | ok, if you were getting 30 mega**bytes** per second, from the internet, on windows, then your 100 mega**bit** ethernet interface is the bottleneck |
| 11:41.38 | laughingtiger | BCMM, and now in debian it's 4MB/s in average |
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| 11:41.59 | BCMM | oh, now that's a lot lower than i was expecting... theoretically should be 10-12 |
| 11:43.24 | laughingtiger | BCMM, what do you mean theoretically it should be 10/12, do you mean on debian it's the top value ? |
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| 11:43.47 | BCMM | laughingtiger: i mean, 100/8 |
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| 11:44.26 | BCMM | a 100Mb/s link should limit you to 12.5MB/s download speed, minus a bit for overhead (so maybe 10) |
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| 11:44.49 | laughingtiger | BCMM, erh, and what do you mean "then my 100 megebit ethernet interface is the bottleneck"? |
| 11:45.09 | BCMM | laughingtiger: you said you were getting 30MB/s download speeds from the internet on windows |
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| 11:45.44 | BCMM | laughingtiger: that's 240Mb/s, i.e. more than 100Mb/s |
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| 11:46.19 | BCMM | therefore, your ethernet link is probably what's limiting your download speeds |
| 11:46.58 | BCMM | if the expected download speed was within what a 100Mb/s ethernet connection could practically achieve, i'd look for a different problem |
| 11:47.07 | laughingtiger | BCMM, so if I understand correct, the solution is for me to get the network card work at 1000Mb/s on debian, am I right? |
| 11:47.45 | BCMM | it's certainly not possible to get those download speeds without getting the card to operating at gigabit, yes |
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| 11:48.09 | BCMM | laughingtiger: can you pastebin the output of mii-tool -v <interface name>? |
| 11:48.21 | BCMM | also, what network adaptor/driver are you using? |
| 11:49.28 | laughingtiger | BCMM, it's "enp2s0: 100 Mbit, half duplex, link ok" |
| 11:49.54 | BCMM | ... is that the entire output? |
| 11:50.01 | laughingtiger | yes |
| 11:50.23 | BCMM | hang on, i think you must have a very different version of mii-tool from mine... |
| 11:50.24 | laughingtiger | oh sorry, I forgot the "-v" |
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| 11:51.31 | laughingtiger | BCMM, https://pastebin.com/PRWiAU2k |
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| 11:52.35 | BCMM | ah, so somehow, autonegotiation isn't enabled at all |
| 11:53.34 | BCMM | laughingtiger: do you know what NIC you have? i'd like to see if this is a known problem with your driver or something like that |
| 11:56.04 | laughingtiger | BCMM, I think it's a realtek one, full information: https://pastebin.com/ekZpwPUY |
| 11:57.39 | BCMM | laughingtiger: what driver are you using? do you have non-free? |
| 11:58.54 | BCMM | laughingtiger: if you don't have firmware-realtek from non-free installed, try installing that and rebooting. then check mii-tool again |
| 11:59.16 | BCMM | (i'm wondering if perhaps the ethernet card is able to operating in its most basic mode without realtek's firmware) |
| 11:59.23 | BCMM | ^to operate |
| 11:59.36 | kreyren | is there a function in apt that makes it fail if it tries to overwrite something? eg. portage FEATURES="collision-protect" |
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| 12:00.07 | laughingtiger | BCMM, it's r8169 |
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| 12:00.41 | BCMM | laughingtiger: any output from `dmesg |grep -i firmware`? |
| 12:02.50 | BCMM | (hmm, testing mii-tool for this conversation has made me realise that i'm operating on half-duplex here. wonder what *that's* about...) |
| 12:03.19 | laughingtiger | BCMM, https://pastebin.com/GG2x7ZeD |
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| 12:04.17 | BCMM | laughingtiger: "firmware: failed to load rtl_nic/rtl8168h-2.fw" is relevant here. see if installing firmware-realtek fixes it. |
| 12:04.26 | laughingtiger | BCMM, how do you know the autonegotiation is off? |
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| 12:04.56 | BCMM | laughingtiger: your mii-tool output. "basic mode" section. |
| 12:05.07 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 12:05.07 | BCMM | laughingtiger: i've got "basic mode: autonegotiation enabled" |
| 12:05.18 | laughingtiger | BCMM, oh I see |
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| 12:05.40 | laughingtiger | BCMM, let me try installing it |
| 12:05.43 | BCMM | laughingtiger: my guess (but it *is* a guess) is that it's possible to manually configure your NIC without realtek's firmware blob, but you need the firmware to do autonegotiation |
| 12:05.53 | Azrael_- | some email hosters put emails from my server into the junk folder on the recipient side. e.g. gmx. is there a way to prevent/improve this behaviour? |
| 12:07.23 | laughingtiger | BCMM, it's the same output of command mii-tool, after installing it |
| 12:07.30 | BCMM | laughingtiger: did you restart? |
| 12:07.43 | laughingtiger | oh |
| 12:07.53 | laughingtiger | I'll come later. |
| 12:08.01 | BCMM | Azrael_-: try https://www.mail-tester.com/ |
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| 12:08.21 | BCMM | Azrael_-: it'll give you suggestions about why your emails might look spammy |
| 12:08.48 | Azrael_- | BCMM: ok, thanks |
| 12:09.50 | BCMM | Azrael_-: i can have a look at the output if you want, but i guess you might not want to post your domain name here |
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| 12:11.02 | BCMM | Azrael_-: but most obvious is, are you sending emails direct from your own server, or through some sort of relay? it take time and effort to build trust in a mail server |
| 12:11.23 | BCMM | (which is why most people just pay somebody with a good reputation to deliver their emails) |
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| 12:13.18 | BCMM | in particular, if your "server" is at home, in some consumer ISP's dynamic IP address range, nobody is ever going to treat it as legit |
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| 12:17.28 | laughingtiger | BCMM, it's solved, now I just need to make the autonegotiation permanent. |
| 12:17.46 | BCMM | laughingtiger: what do you mean by "permanent"? |
| 12:18.05 | BCMM | is it not automatically coming up as gigabit on reboot now? |
| 12:18.21 | laughingtiger | BCMM, because every time when I restart, I have to type the command again and again. |
| 12:18.29 | BCMM | laughingtiger: which command? |
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| 12:18.55 | laughingtiger | I used "ethtool -s $interface autoneg on" |
| 12:19.44 | BCMM | laughingtiger: ah, so autonegotiation *works*, but for some reason it's not enabled when you boot up? |
| 12:19.53 | laughingtiger | BCMM, yeah |
| 12:20.04 | BCMM | that's odd. this is after installing the firmware? |
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| 12:20.13 | laughingtiger | BCMM, yes |
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| 12:21.48 | laughingtiger | BCMM, I think it's problem solved. |
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| 12:22.24 | BCMM | laughingtiger: ok. by the way, about that other missing firmware file (that's preventing your intel graphics from doing power-saving) |
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| 12:22.48 | BCMM | you'll need firmware-misc-nonfree from stretch-backports for that |
| 12:22.54 | BCMM | it's not in stable yet |
| 12:23.21 | laughingtiger | BCMM, I'll do that. |
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| 12:24.09 | laughingtiger | BCMM, Idk how to express my appreciation to you. thank you so much for your help. |
| 12:24.17 | BCMM | you're welcome |
| 12:25.27 | BCMM | well, if your problem is sorted now, i've got a question for the channel... |
| 12:25.46 | BCMM | anybody know why my ethernet adaptor is running at half-duplex? |
| 12:26.15 | BCMM | "eth0: negotiated 1000baseT-HD flow-control, link ok" |
| 12:26.37 | BCMM | another device attached to the same router is full-duplex. is this just a bad cable? |
| 12:27.12 | fling | BCMM: or missing full-duplex cap in the network card. |
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| 12:28.34 | BCMM | fling: it's advertising 1000baseT-FD http://paste.debian.net/1069923/ |
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| 12:30.59 | BCMM | are capabilities listed in order of preference or something? |
| 12:31.07 | BCMM | wondering why hd comes up first |
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| 12:33.12 | BCMM | nevermind, looks like it's a bug in mii-tool https://askubuntu.com/a/1047548 |
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| 13:45.09 | aphorise | is there anyway looking at what apt.systemd.dail update is doing? - its been on going on my machine for the past 1 hour. |
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| 13:58.16 | blackflow | aphorise: it's a shell script exec'd by apt-daily.service triggered by apt-daily.timer |
| 13:58.20 | blackflow | and it runs apt update |
| 13:58.49 | blackflow | you can strace attach to its PID if you think it's stuck |
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| 14:02.50 | aphorise | blackflow thanks - I removed it manually |
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| 15:34.24 | neki_deki | hi, i would like to install java 1.7 jdk on debian, some help pls |
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| 15:39.20 | Deihmos | Is it possible to update the lkernel ? |
| 15:40.26 | Greyztar | trying to script making a debian.img which i can later dd to usb to have a usb install,not install from usb that is,rather dd install on usb,chroot command at password seems to fail as im changing it locally and not in the chroot, https://paste.debian.net/1069941/ |
| 15:41.34 | Greyztar | just if anyone could spot some obvious errors,its from an online guide the script so not mine |
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| 15:42.00 | dvs | Deihmos, the kernel gets updated just like any other package. |
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| 15:43.02 | Deihmos | Not upgraded often the |
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| 15:55.03 | tdn | How do I set up a quake2-server in Debian 9? I have installed the quake2-server package. I have also used the game-packager tool to create a .deb from the quake2 cd. And installed the .deb. But when I start the server, it complains about missing pak0.pak. |
| 15:58.36 | FragtioN | you need to copy pak0.pak from the Quake 2 CD ROM |
| 15:59.24 | FragtioN | you need to copy pak0.pak from the Quake 2 CD ROM |
| 15:59.25 | FragtioN | that contains the licensed content, which is why it's not distributed in the installer packages |
| 16:00.04 | FragtioN | if you can find an image of the disk, or the standalone pak0.pak for Quake 2 somewhere else, great. just beware of the legal risks doing so |
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| 16:01.00 | tomreyn | game-packager's purpose is exactly to make this user friendly. maybe file a bug agains tit if this approach didn't work *and* it claims to support it. |
| 16:01.17 | tdn | FragtioN, I do have the cdrom and the pak file with me. Where do I need to put it? |
| 16:01.56 | FragtioN | never worked with quake 2 but I know for quake 3, the file is pak0.pk3, and it belongs in a folder called baseq3, along with the other pak files |
| 16:03.52 | tdn | FragtioN, ok. But do you know if this is somewhere inside the quake2-server user's home? Or somewhere in the package's install path? |
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| 16:04.24 | FragtioN | @tdn sorry my bnc died not sure if you got my last msg. never worked with quake 2 but I know for quake 3, the file is pak0.pk3, and it belongs in a folder called baseq3, along with the other pak files |
| 16:09.50 | tdn | FragtioN, I have just done a locate baseq2 and then copied the pak0.pak to all folders found this way. Then restarted. I think the server has started and I can see it is listening on the UDP port 27930. However, when I start quake2 on my windows VM and go to join game, I cannot see the game. I have checked that port is reachable using nc -vvz -u hostname 27930 and it succeeded. |
| 16:10.23 | FragtioN | try connect directly in console on the client |
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| 16:10.56 | FragtioN | if that works, it could be something to do with the advertising of the server on the LAN, ie broadcast/subnet variances, IPX etc |
| 16:11.00 | tdn | FragtioN, how to do that? "connect IP" ? |
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| 16:11.03 | FragtioN | yes |
| 16:11.24 | FragtioN | put sv_lan 1 on server |
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| 16:12.02 | tdn | FragtioN, in the debian_server.cfg, I add the line: "set sv_lan 1" ? |
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| 16:19.20 | tdn | FragtioN, I did just that and restarted. Still cannot seem to connect. When I do: connect 10.0.0.50 on client, it just hangs. |
| 16:19.26 | tdn | Says: connecting to 10.0.0.50... |
| 16:19.28 | tdn | Then nothing. |
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| 16:24.25 | tdn | FragtioN, wow! Now I got it to work. I think. I got it to connect. Appearently default port is 27910 and not 27930. It now says: Server is version 6.00 |
| 16:24.40 | tdn | FragtioN, gameserver: wrong version |
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| 16:30.21 | dlynes | I upgraded from Jessie to Stretch using apt-get dist-upgrade. Everything seemed to go fine, but when I try to install php7.x-curl, it appears to be trying to install the stretch version, not the jessie version |
| 16:30.42 | friendofafriend | dlynes: What message doth thou receive? |
| 16:31.17 | n4dir | if you upgraded to stretch, why shouldn't it try to install the stretch version? |
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| 16:32.37 | dlynes | n4dir: very good question...that's my conundrum |
| 16:32.54 | xand | dlynes: sounds like it's working as expected? |
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| 16:33.16 | dlynes | n4dir: It's trying to install the jessie version but can't because the php-common version installed is the stretch version |
| 16:33.27 | dlynes | xand: how is that working as expected? |
| 16:33.36 | xand | dlynes: read your problem again |
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| 16:33.55 | n4dir | so you upgraded to stretch but it tries to install the jessie version? |
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| 16:35.10 | n4dir | this way or that way you should probably start by getting your sources.list file sorted. |
| 16:35.12 | dlynes | n4dir: No. I upgraded to stretch, I'm trying to install the stretch version of php7.x-curl, but it has a dependency on the jessie version of php-common. It won't install because of that because php-common stretch version is installed |
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| 16:35.43 | n4dir | !bat |
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| 16:35.52 | n4dir | do /msg dpkg bat |
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| 16:35.57 | dlynes | n4dir: I've done a grep -Rni jessie /etc/apt - no results |
| 16:36.03 | n4dir | and give the info it asks for here. |
| 16:36.27 | dlynes | n4dir: Run 'dpkg bat'? |
| 16:36.31 | n4dir | not saying i will be able to help, but that info is needed. |
| 16:36.47 | n4dir | no: in your IRC client do: /msg dpkg bat |
| 16:37.33 | dlynes | And by #1, do you mean 'apt-get install php7.2-curl'? |
| 16:39.54 | dlynes | n4dir: ummm...nvm |
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| 16:40.22 | dlynes | n4dir: When I install each package individually it works, but if I do apt-get install php7.0-curl php7.1-curl php7.2-curl it had that weird jessie dependency |
| 16:40.41 | dlynes | n4dir: sorry for wasting your time |
| 16:41.28 | n4dir | not wasting anyones time, as it sure sounds weird. But you seem to have it sorted. |
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| 16:43.31 | dlynes | n4dir: ah...it is still a problem...forgot to cover off php 7.3...it's only happening in the php 7.3 packages |
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| 16:49.27 | dlynes | n4dir: Here's the output you requested: https://pastebin.com/XpYrd8kb |
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| 16:51.41 | n4dir | packages.survy.org/php ? might be the problem? |
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| 16:55.14 | dlynes | n4dir: So that's not a normal debian package? |
| 16:55.23 | dlynes | erm debian repository rather? |
| 16:55.52 | dlynes | I thought maybe it was something required by the old secured apache server |
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| 16:56.17 | n4dir | all i can say that that *might" be your problem. What exactly or how to solve it i wouldn't know. |
| 16:56.48 | n4dir | what i would do is comment that repo out, do apt-get update, then try apt-get install again. |
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| 16:57.06 | n4dir | assuming that is an option (if you really need that repo, it isn't) |
| 16:57.32 | dlynes | yeah...i see what it was for |
| 16:57.37 | dlynes | php 7.3 modules |
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| 16:57.46 | dlynes | without it, I don't have php 7.3 modules |
| 16:58.21 | n4dir | there is a way to install a certain version with apt-get, search the web, something like "apt-get install pkg version=***" |
| 16:58.49 | n4dir | but i think the best might be to ask again later, and give the link to that pastebin. Someone else might have more insight. |
| 16:59.34 | dlynes | And btw...is apt-get and apt-cache going the way of the dodo? All the examples at the command line seem to be using 'apt', and aptitude has also disappeared |
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| 17:00.15 | n4dir | aptitude can be installed, but isn't per default. And i haven't heard of apt-get going away, but sure not in the near future. |
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| 17:01.40 | dlynes | n4dir: thank you |
| 17:02.29 | n4dir | as said, ask again, either in a few hours or tomorrow. Many know such stuff in and out. |
| 17:02.52 | dlynes | n4dir: Ok, thank you. |
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| 17:38.01 | doublehp | munin node refuses to start, but does not provide any reason : http://paste.debian.net/1069951/ |
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| 18:05.41 | fluffywolf | with the xdg menu system, is everything really lumped into ten categories with no subcategories of any kind, or is icewm's xdg-to-menu translator just not processing the submenus correctly? |
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| 18:07.27 | fluffywolf | ... just answered my own question, by looking at one of the .desktop files. Why the bloody fuck did we switch from the nice, neatly organized debian menu system to this garbage? |
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| 18:08.37 | fluffywolf | the debian menu system was really nicely organized, with lots of submenus. |
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| 18:12.31 | fluffywolf | is there any way to make proper menus appear again, or am I really going to have to organize every entry by hand manually because we implemented yet more fdo garbage? |
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| 18:27.36 | Datz | Hi, I can't get samba working correctly. When I run "smbclient //freki/Nic" I get tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME |
| 18:28.16 | Datz | https://pastebin.com/jKVAyxgc |
| 18:28.30 | Datz | I just aptitude purged and restinstalled |
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| 18:29.29 | Datz | here's my smb.config https://pastebin.com/Bd5MaVQq |
| 18:29.45 | Datz | any help appreciated |
| 18:30.18 | Datz | not sure if it's something with my system name, I'm kinda out of ideas |
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| 18:37.53 | SpeedyG | looks like your smbclient connection tries to open the share /Nic which isnt in your config |
| 18:38.30 | SpeedyG | what does 'smbclient //freki/downloads' do ? |
| 18:38.33 | Datz | ok.. that should have been apparent to me. That was just something I got from the web to see if it was working. I wasn't sure what /Nic was all about |
| 18:39.01 | SpeedyG | freki being the hostname of your system ? |
| 18:39.04 | Datz | yes |
| 18:39.13 | SpeedyG | and you're trying it on localhost? |
| 18:39.16 | Datz | yes |
| 18:39.22 | Datz | can't access it on windows |
| 18:40.04 | Datz | SpeedyG: ok, looks like I can access it like that |
| 18:40.08 | Datz | from localhost |
| 18:40.25 | Datz | so that's a start I guess |
| 18:40.29 | SpeedyG | yep :) |
| 18:40.40 | SpeedyG | first step is checking if it works at all |
| 18:40.45 | SpeedyG | then get network issues out of the way :) |
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| 18:41.48 | Deihmos | what is the purpose of the 18.10 release ? |
| 18:41.50 | Datz | when I try it on my windows machine, I get the apache server telling me the URL cannot be found |
| 18:42.14 | Datz | but at least it knows where to look.. |
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| 18:42.41 | SpeedyG | Datz: on windows, use the slashes the other way around, so \\freki\downloads |
| 18:42.59 | SpeedyG | (or your ip, if its not in dns) |
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| 18:44.27 | Datz | humm, well with that I get a user name and password dialogue box, but then I get an error. I have set up a user and password with samba |
| 18:44.59 | Datz | the windows error is: Windows cannot access \\freki\downloads |
| 18:45.27 | SpeedyG | most likely, because the username/password combi sent by windows is incorrect :) |
| 18:45.53 | Datz | oh, I just added a slash after the downloads\ and it worked |
| 18:45.54 | SpeedyG | but you could check that in your samba logs I guess.. been a while since I ran into windows ;) |
| 18:46.01 | SpeedyG | ah nice :D |
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| 18:46.19 | Datz | thanks. Hopefully windows will index that in my network folder, that'd be really nice.. :) |
| 18:46.26 | Datz | thanks for the help though, I appreciate it |
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| 18:48.58 | urxtnw | Hello, I was reading through the wiki and I was curious, how is debian funded? |
| 18:49.19 | urxtnw | I see donations and everything but is it a community thing? i.e. unlike cannonical? |
| 18:49.29 | Getattrovskaya | hello, it seems the package I need has no version for stretch. its last version is for jessie. can I still somehow install and use it on stretch? |
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| 18:52.25 | barc0d4 | why linus dont like debian ? |
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| 18:56.41 | Datz | He does answer that. |
| 18:57.33 | barc0d4 | yeap but it's not enough |
| 18:58.42 | Datz | Basically, he's not familiar with it, and doesn't want to become familiar with it, because he uses something else which works well for him. |
| 18:59.12 | barc0d4 | Datz:okey I get it |
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| 19:23.09 | rsully | Is there a debian livecd that is just a console/terminal? No gui? |
| 19:23.24 | rsully | I am looking here https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ but nothing stands out |
| 19:23.53 | rsully | I am looking for a live environment I can boot from USB, install ssh to, and then use to install a custom environment via debootstrap |
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| 19:28.12 | GNU\colossus | rsully, check out grml |
| 19:28.22 | GNU\colossus | it's a live distro that's based on Debian |
| 19:28.30 | GNU\colossus | (and it comes with debootstrap included) |
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| 19:28.56 | GNU\colossus | -> https://grml.org/ |
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| 19:35.09 | kreyren | any way to livepatch kernel on debian? |
| 19:36.04 | karlpinc | rsully: See the "DVD/USB" section of: https://www.debian.org/CD/live/index.en.html |
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| 20:10.10 | rsully | karlpinc yeah the link I put there is what you get to when you click "amd64" from dvd/usb |
| 20:12.37 | rsully | GNU\colossus what's the difference between full/small grml? |
| 20:13.00 | rsully | GNU\colossus nevermind, found the FAQ |
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| 21:00.21 | rudi_s | kreyren: Yes, kpatch works. |
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| 21:00.40 | kreyren | rudi_s: more info about kpatch process? |
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| 21:08.55 | rudi_s | kreyren: It's quite well documented on http://github.com/dynup/kpatch - note however that you need a version from sid, the kpatch version in stretch is not enough to patch the stretch kernel. |
| 21:09.05 | rudi_s | You prepare a patch, build it, load it. |
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| 21:09.37 | kreyren | can i live patch custom kernel? |
| 21:09.45 | kreyren | or debian-only? |
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| 21:10.24 | rudi_s | kreyren: You can patch any kernel for which you have the debug symbols and config (and a few other restrictions which are checked by kpatch-build). |
| 21:10.49 | kreyren | perfect, thanks |
| 21:11.41 | rudi_s | np |
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| 21:17.57 | Tenkawa | SerajewelKS: hey you around? |
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| 21:22.28 | Tenkawa | replaced that thumb drive with a samsung model, cloned the system, and wow it flies... |
| 21:25.06 | dvs | a Samsung what? |
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| 21:25.48 | Tenkawa | apparently the sandisk one was just not playing nice |
| 21:27.12 | Tenkawa | dvs: thumb drive...I had a performance problem I could reproduce only with a specific thumb drive |
| 21:27.48 | dvs | never knew Samsung made thumb drives |
| 21:28.23 | dvs | Full fledged USB drive yes, but not thumb drives |
| 21:28.25 | Tenkawa | yep |
| 21:28.38 | Tenkawa | good ones too |
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| 21:31.50 | un214 | I just upgraded to buster and X appears completely busted |
| 21:32.00 | dvs | hence the name |
| 21:32.14 | un214 | sddm was nonfunctional; so I removed it |
| 21:32.19 | un214 | startx doesn't work either |
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| 21:34.03 | un214 | I can start X directly, as root only |
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| 21:34.43 | un214 | anybody got a good strategy for fixing this? I have a console web browser but that's pretty much trash right now |
| 21:35.59 | trysten | un214: maybe reconfigure some packages? Like dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg i htink |
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| 21:38.39 | un214 | no screens found is not a very useful error message when X can start as root |
| 21:39.22 | un214 | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg goes nowhere |
| 21:41.52 | Tenkawa | tasksel can remove and reinstall all needed pkgs |
| 21:42.16 | un214 | might be worth it; I think I fixed something but have to reboot |
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| 21:46.58 | un214 | Yup fixed something; can log in with Xdm now |
| 21:47.07 | Tenkawa | good |
| 21:47.17 | un214 | nice broken environment but the web browser runs |
| 21:47.26 | Tenkawa | not good |
| 21:47.58 | un214 | you know how kdm defaults to kde, gdm defaults to gnome, etc? well Xdm defaults to something strange |
| 21:48.05 | un214 | I have no idea what it is |
| 21:48.56 | zleap | can you describe this |
| 21:48.56 | un214 | and since my accessability programs didn't start ... |
| 21:48.58 | zleap | please |
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| 21:49.23 | un214 | right click on empty space yields a dropdown with a bunch of things that don't work but terminal emulator does |
| 21:49.42 | zleap | ok |
| 21:50.08 | zleap | xdm is a minimal display manager, I think that used to have thigns such as windowmaker on top of it |
| 21:50.11 | un214 | so I probably just need to know how to set which desktiop env to load |
| 21:50.18 | zleap | yeah |
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| 21:50.47 | zleap | think so |
| 21:51.45 | zleap | un214: I am _not_ sure if this is the right solution but perhaps someone here can help https://askubuntu.com/questions/151334/how-do-i-make-gdm-the-default-display-manager |
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| 21:52.21 | un214 | here we go log out log in |
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| 22:27.30 | diamante | Hello |
| 22:27.39 | diamante | I need support for this error: |
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| 22:27.59 | diamante | mkfs.ext4 /dev/sda -L backup mke2fs 1.43.4 (31-Jan-2017) Found a dos partition table in /dev/sda Proceed anyway? (y,N) y |
| 22:28.08 | diamante | Found a dos partition table in /dev/sda |
| 22:28.22 | diamante | Who can help me for change this partition table ? |
| 22:30.12 | jmcnaught | diamante: you can change the partition table in fdisk |
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| 22:31.04 | diamante | jmcnaught: hello. Yes, how i can change it ? There's a guide ? |
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| 22:32.40 | jmcnaught | diamante: "fdisk /dev/sdX" then you can press 'm' for the menu, you'll see that 'g' writes a new GPT partition table. You probably also want to create a partition with 'n', and you save changes with 'w'. fdisk(8) also has a man page |
| 22:33.36 | diamante | jmcnaught: i try it. |
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| 22:35.58 | diamante | jmcnaught: done. |
| 22:37.29 | diamante | jmcnaught: hmm then i write: mkfs.ext4 /dev/sda -L backup |
| 22:37.31 | GNU\colossus | rsully, nope, should be smooth sailing |
| 22:38.07 | jmcnaught | diamante: if it were me I would make a partition and format /dev/sda1 instead of /dev/sda but I guess it's not strictly necessary |
| 22:38.11 | diamante | jmcnaught: but I have this error: mke2fs 1.43.4 (31-Jan-2017) --> Found a gpt partition table in /dev/sda --> Proceed anyway? (y,N) y |
| 22:39.05 | diamante | jmcnaught: /dev/sda1 |
| 22:39.38 | diamante | jmcnaught: /dev/sda1 --> its ok now. |
| 22:39.50 | diamante | mke2fs started. |
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| 22:42.13 | diamante | jmcnaught: https://pastebin.com/JQhsNc16 i have this errors |
| 22:42.52 | jmcnaught | diamante: /dev/sda1 not /dev/sda |
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| 22:45.59 | epicmetal | Anyone know how to draw visual dependency graph for all installed packages? I found debtree but that seems to draw it just for one package |
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| 22:52.04 | hypn0 | epicmetal: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/86387/output-visual-ascii-debian-dependency-tree-to-terminal |
| 22:52.10 | diamante | jmcnaught: sorry for my oversight :) |
| 22:53.13 | jmcnaught | diamante: no need to apologize, I hope you got it working :) |
| 22:53.59 | magyar | hi, after startup my debian is running very hot until I use the top command, after a few seconds the process disappears >>>1148284 26268 4216 S 379.7 0.1 394:52.23 systemctl |
| 22:54.07 | epicmetal | hypn0: isn't that the same as debtree in that it requires an argument of a single package? |
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| 22:55.00 | magyar | the systemctl is running at 400% non stop for hours, but disappears once I use top,atop or htop |
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| 22:57.40 | jmcnaught | magyar: is there anything in your logs? |
| 22:58.05 | diamante | jmcnaught: its ok now. Mounted and config fstab when i reboot. |
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| 22:58.29 | diamante | --> /dev/sda1 458G 73M 435G 1% /media/nas |
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| 23:00.21 | magyar | jmcnaught: nothing really |
| 23:00.55 | magyar | just the cpu temperature warnings due to the process is overloading the system |
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| 23:01.49 | jmcnaught | magyar: if you put your logs on https://paste.debian.net/ someone here might see something wrong |
| 23:01.52 | magyar | it almost feels like a virus, because if the systemctl sees the top is being used it stops using the cpu three seconds after, and this is every single time |
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| 23:03.22 | jmcnaught | magyar: yeah it sounds pretty suspicious to me too. The process is systemctl not systemd? |
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| 23:03.59 | jmcnaught | do you have any scripts that are calling systemctl on boot for some reason? |
| 23:04.12 | magyar | jmcnaught: systemctl , I was able to copy paste from the top output |
| 23:04.37 | magyar | jmcnaught: not really, straight desktop install |
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| 23:09.47 | trysten | Does anyone have a hint as to why vim might be struggling to delete swap files on a davfs2 mount with 'use_locks 1'? |
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| 23:22.47 | un214 | testing |
| 23:22.53 | rant | fail |
| 23:22.56 | un214 | lol |
| 23:22.58 | rant | :P |
| 23:23.22 | un214 | so I'm stuck in single-user mode because apt-get something decided to swap sysvinit with systemd |
| 23:23.35 | un214 | systemd cannot and does not function on this system |
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| 23:24.09 | hypn0 | what is system |
| 23:24.17 | un214 | partsbuild from Frys |
| 23:24.24 | un214 | systemd is outsmarting itself |
| 23:24.51 | karlpinc | un214: That's interesting. Not supposed to happen, although I guess asking apt to install systemd well, would. Stock debian sources.list? |
| 23:25.00 | un214 | yup |
| 23:25.14 | un214 | I had loaded a pin for sysvinit a few versions ago |
| 23:25.36 | un214 | I think it was apt-get dist-upgrade for buster that did it |
| 23:25.49 | karlpinc | un214: I don't know what the right way to do sysvinit is. Does the README.Debian say anything? |
| 23:26.00 | un214 | whereis? |
| 23:26.03 | karlpinc | un214: Ah. Buster can be broken. |
| 23:26.10 | karlpinc | !tell un214 about readme.debian |
| 23:26.19 | un214 | PMs aren't going to work |
| 23:26.26 | karlpinc | !tell un214 about debian-next |
| 23:26.32 | rant | its a very bad time to be using testing, during a freeze |
| 23:26.40 | karlpinc | !readme.debian |
| 23:26.40 | dpkg | README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration. |
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| 23:26.53 | karlpinc | !debian-next |
| 23:26.53 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 23:27.26 | karlpinc | rant: When did the freeze start? |
| 23:27.44 | rant | un214: /3 /win 3 alt+3 alt+left alt+p esc+3 etc.. etc |
| 23:27.51 | rant | you can switch windows in irssi |
| 23:28.10 | rant | karlpinc: soft freeze started like two weeks ago.. |
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| 23:28.34 | rant | karlpinc: https://release.debian.org/buster/freeze_policy.html |
| 23:28.40 | un214 | so what happens to critical bugs now? |
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| 23:29.37 | rant | un214: everything is still being fixed, just no new packages coming in.. |
| 23:30.03 | un214 | right; well I've got to get sysvinit-sysv back somehow ... |
| 23:30.43 | un214 | systemd doesn't like / being on /dev/mapper |
| 23:30.52 | rant | nonsense |
| 23:31.27 | un214 | you got a better idea to deal with booting just timing out and dumping to single user? |
| 23:31.29 | rant | /dev/mapper/ltx24--vg-root ext4 113G 88G 20G 82% / |
| 23:31.52 | rant | systemd works just fine with my encrypted lvm root |
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| 23:32.15 | un214 | I'm trying to find the right way to say it |
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| 23:32.59 | un214 | you're using the linux-specific dynamic partition driver right? |
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| 23:33.26 | rant | the right way to say it is, you should be using debian stable and systemd or using devaun or #debian-next on OFTC and learning how to do things before going and doing crazy things on your own |
| 23:34.27 | hypn0 | it seems like you didnt install properly |
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| 23:41.22 | quint | Is there a way to script a change of hostname on boot? For instance, I'm trying to hash an output from dmidecode, as well as a mac address to create a string which will be used as the hostname.. Doing this in a "live boot" environment |
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| 23:44.40 | un214 | well I tracked down the root of the problem; almost everything depends on libpam-systemd |
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| 23:46.22 | jmcnaught | for jessie and stretch systemd's README.Debian documented the correct way to switch back to sysvinit (it's not removing the systemd package) but it looks like those instructions have been removed in buster |
| 23:47.21 | un214 | I'm running some tests but I think I can put it back |
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| 23:48.28 | un214 | I've got this program that override resolves dependencies; libpam-anything is a really good target for it |
| 23:48.59 | jmcnaught | sounds complicated, what's the program? |
| 23:49.08 | un214 | apt-holepunch |
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| 23:49.35 | un214 | its purpose is to exclude packages from metapackages |
| 23:49.57 | jmcnaught | doesn't sound like a very good idea |
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| 23:50.32 | un214 | yeah it should not be used for dependcies of anything other than metapackages |
| 23:51.02 | un214 | ok so the correct name of the thing systemd doesn't like is dmraid |
| 23:52.55 | un214 | I got sysvinit back (package name change--that's why the pin stopped working) |
| 23:53.40 | un214 | anybody know what a dependency chain tool is for debian? |
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