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| 00:02.43 | Old_Dog | whatever browser i use, I make Startpage my startpage and search engine. |
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| 00:04.57 | Old_Dog | now I can go search for a bandersnath, and not worry about being flooded with ads for bandersnaths immediately afterward. |
| 00:05.38 | fling | rhizome: should not I use iceweasel? |
| 00:06.29 | rhizome | it doesn't matter, but you don't have to. i guess i'm mostly surprised it still gets updates. |
| 00:06.31 | jmcnaught | https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#browser-security |
| 00:07.14 | rhizome | ta da |
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| 00:09.05 | rwp | ,v iceweasel |
| 00:09.06 | judd | Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- wheezy: 38.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; sid: 45.9.0esr-1; jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; sid: 60.3.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch: 60.5.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 60.5.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: |
| 00:09.07 | judd | 60.5.1esr-1~deb9u1 |
| 00:09.26 | jmcnaught | iceweasel is just a transition package to firefox-esr now |
| 00:09.38 | rwp | ,v firefox-esr |
| 00:09.39 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; sid: 60.4.0esr-1; stretch: 60.5.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 60.5.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 60.5.1esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 60.5.1esr-1 |
| 00:10.29 | rwp | "This is a transitional package, it can be safely removed." Depends: firefox-esr |
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| 00:14.58 | fling | So should I start switching from iceweasel to firefox? |
| 00:15.12 | fling | But what about controls? This was my initial questions ;P |
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| 00:17.06 | jmcnaught | if you're still on iceweasel you're very far behind, as for controls I would look for an add-on. You probably need to update to use addons.mozilla.org though |
| 00:19.20 | fling | jmcnaught: will firefox be able to reuse iceweasel profiles? |
| 00:19.27 | fling | Do I need to move files around? |
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| 00:20.33 | rhizome | i don't htink i had to recreate my profile, but back it up anyway. |
| 00:20.44 | rhizome | no other file movements no |
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| 00:21.15 | rhizome | only pulseaudio requires you to shuffle your configuration every reboot |
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| 00:22.06 | fling | rhizome: what??? |
| 00:22.29 | rhizome | i don't know what "what?" means in a textual medium |
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| 00:26.40 | fling | rhizome: is something special about pulseaudio restarts with firefox" |
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| 00:35.43 | fling | jmcnaught: I'm looking for controls addons but I can't find a thing |
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| 00:38.40 | ksk | I know there are vim-bindings around ;) |
| 00:40.13 | fling | ksk: they are for firefox 56 |
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| 00:42.31 | ksk | uh okay. Have to admit I stopped using FF a while ago.. |
| 00:42.57 | t3st3r | Old_Dog> Firefox and Chromium conduct plenty of unrequested activity. Using sniffer or devtools could be so insightful.. |
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| 00:43.17 | fling | ksk: I've not used vimperator |
| 00:43.27 | fling | xombrero and xxxterm are outdated too |
| 00:43.27 | ksk | thats the one iirc ;) |
| 00:44.06 | fling | t3st3r: tell me more please |
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| 00:48.24 | t3st3r | fling> what exactly? And I'm not 100% sure it fits #debian. Maybe #debian-offtopic is better for this? (I'm not sure) |
| 00:48.44 | Unit193 | fling: Since you mention xombrero, https://www.uninformativ.de/git/lariza/file/README.html |
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| 00:56.29 | DarwinElf | why is Debian's Angband package over four years out-of-date? |
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| 00:57.39 | fling | Unit193: looks good but does it support xombrero like control? :P |
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| 01:05.59 | Unit193 | fling: Not sure yet, I haven't used it. I was looking to see how easy it'd be to package and if it had the specific xombrero features I want (aliases, keypress toggle of proxy and js, etc.) |
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| 01:10.54 | fling | Unit193: ping me with your findings |
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| 01:16.33 | hamersaw | any reason to forgo updating to buster until the full freeze? this will be my first debian upgrade, not sure about the particulars. |
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| 01:48.34 | velix | Does man have an environment variable? |
| 01:48.37 | velix | oops |
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| 01:48.43 | velix | Does man have an environment variable for manpath? |
| 01:58.11 | ChmEarl | velix, manpath -g |
| 01:58.34 | velix | ChmEarl: Thanks ;) |
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| 01:59.20 | velix | ChmEarl: Actually, I want to add a local man path (non priviliged user). I hope, I can figure it out now |
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| 02:02.51 | velix | is this possible at all? |
| 02:04.03 | velix | got it working. |
| 02:04.04 | velix | Thanks a lot |
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| 02:10.06 | mezan | Hi, Is there any google drive client for linux? free and support two-way sync |
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| 02:11.25 | hexa- | mezan: via gnome-online-accounts for example |
| 02:12.11 | mezan | hexa-: I'm using i3wm I didn't check those gui things. Thanks if it work it would be hassle free |
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| 02:21.00 | incognito | you can use rclone and entr for an interesting script |
| 02:21.02 | incognito | http://lpan.io/one-liner-dropbox-client/ |
| 02:21.30 | incognito | i made a nextcloud one based off of this tutorial |
| 02:21.39 | incognito | but i deleted it a while back on accident :P |
| 02:22.48 | incognito | the example listed above only syncs when you make changes to your client code, but you can easily modify the script to have a loop that syncs every 10 seconds or something |
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| 02:24.54 | mezan | incognito: I'm familar with entr and it's amazing (using it for my latex :D). I'm also using one liner command by rclone. The problem is rclone doesn't support two-way sync as far as I can understand. It's basically a simple push/pull and this make it quite messy since you should make sure everything is newer in the source (than the destination) and then push/pull... |
| 02:25.52 | mezan | The entr part make it quite automatic but my problem is about two-way sync. I want the client finds out which file is newer and at least warn or give a conflict or somthing. Otherwise using these tools (esp in teamdrive) is quite dangerous |
| 02:27.42 | incognito | ya that makes sense. have you tried grive2 by any change then? |
| 02:27.50 | incognito | https://github.com/vitalif/grive2 |
| 02:28.05 | incognito | /s/change/chance |
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| 02:28.30 | incognito | seems to be pretty actively worked on and stuff |
| 02:30.13 | mezan | incognito: ha, this seems quite cool. |
| 02:30.17 | mezan | Thanks a lot |
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| 03:22.18 | iaj | hi folks :) |
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| 03:23.12 | iaj | i got a little question, hope I am right here.. i have a bash script that runs a SQL command with mysql database and does an '... INTO OUTFILE /home/iaj/foo.csv' export of the query |
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| 03:24.09 | iaj | however I always get Can't create/write to file '/home/iaj/sql_exports/foo.csv' (Errcode: 13 "Permission denied") .. but the folder has 777 permission already |
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| 03:29.24 | rant | anyone have an idea why all my samba shares say 5.6GB free? (in caja) and it doesn't change.. all of them have over 1TB available in df output.. idk what the deal is. |
| 03:30.18 | rant | seems rather arbitrary to say 5.6GB free when one disk has 2TB, another has 2.7TB and the one with the least free space has over 600GB free |
| 03:30.31 | rant | yet says same thing on all them |
| 03:31.06 | rant | 5.6GB is about whats free on / not on the volumes mounted to the share locations |
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| 03:35.21 | mason | iaj: Read the last two lines you posted carefully. |
| 03:37.09 | iaj | mason: hmmm.. i did :) but to no avail :( |
| 03:37.48 | mason | iaj: You note two distinctly different paths. |
| 03:38.07 | rant | and also dont specify if the file exists already |
| 03:38.22 | mason | iaj: Either you shouldn't give a fully-qualified path because it's assuming sql_exports, or you're giving it the wrong fully-qualified path. |
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| 03:38.55 | iaj | mason: aaah ok yeah im sorry, actually those paths are the same.. i just tried to keep iiit more simple |
| 03:39.01 | iaj | normally it is WITH sql_exports |
| 03:39.15 | mason | Also, any solution requiring 0777 for permissions should be reconsidered. Use group permissions at best, or man setfacl(1) and friends. |
| 03:41.48 | iaj | mason: hm.. yeah... i thought so.. thats why I tried to add mysql user to my "iaj" group but also no success |
| 03:41.55 | iaj | gonna take a look into setfacl |
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| 05:01.33 | milkt | i'm trying to install debian with debian-9,6.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso installer. i tried manual lvm/luks encryption but it didn't encrypted luks container when installation is done. and i'm tryinig to install now with pre-configured partitions but can't find how i can open luks container debian installer. |
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| 05:01.56 | milkt | how i can open luks container inside debian installer* |
| 05:03.06 | milkt | what i want to do is something similar with "Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM" in debian installer menu, but only part of disk, not entire |
| 05:03.31 | beavis | there is either guided or manual |
| 05:03.41 | beavis | the choice is yours |
| 05:03.50 | milkt | there is only 3 guided option, and all uses entire disk |
| 05:04.01 | beavis | so go with manual |
| 05:04.03 | taylorbyte | go manual ftw |
| 05:04.15 | milkt | yeah and i having problem with manual configuration so i'm asking help |
| 05:05.22 | beavis | you need /boot, a luks volume and lvm container in it |
| 05:05.23 | taylorbyte | milkt i have some unofficial documentation i have been forming and some very handy notes on lvm http://202.172.121.52/linuxdocsmd/libreboot_luks_in_lvm_debian/ |
| 05:05.35 | beavis | if yo uuse uefi you need an efi partition as well |
| 05:06.01 | milkt | i configured boot partition and other fine, all done but luks wasn't encrypted |
| 05:06.40 | taylorbyte | sorry i gave the wrong link http://202.172.121.52/linuxdocsmd/lvm |
| 05:06.59 | milkt | i created partition (physical volume for encryption) in debian installer menu, selected encryption method "device-mapper (dm-crypt)" with aes-256-xts-plain64 and passphrase |
| 05:07.29 | taylorbyte | milkt my setup is pretty much the same i think. i have lvm and each partition is encrypted e.g. root and home |
| 05:07.30 | milkt | but it didn't give me entering passphrase dialog and etc |
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| 05:09.19 | taylorbyte | oh and heres my lvm notes http://202.172.121.52/linuxdocsmd/luks/ |
| 05:09.27 | milkt | taylorbyte, i couldn't connect to your link. browser says "The connection was reset" |
| 05:09.44 | taylorbyte | oh sorry add :81 port |
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| 05:09.51 | taylorbyte | http://202.172.121.52:81/linuxdocsmd/luks/ |
| 05:10.04 | taylorbyte | so dodgey atm but its good info i assure you |
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| 05:10.22 | beavis | so the morning car crusade to work begins |
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| 05:10.51 | taylorbyte | i spend many days compiling this documentation and i have refrence links at the bottom if you want to look at some things in more detail |
| 05:11.13 | milkt | taylorbyte, thanks for useful link, but the problem is i know how to configure luks with cryptsetup manually, but now i don't know how to mount them in debian installer |
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| 05:12.12 | milkt | i made boot partition, lvm container, luks container inside lvm wihth archlinux live usb |
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| 05:12.34 | taylorbyte | i dont use gui but if you want to mount it just use the command line in another terminal or something like mount /dev/mapper/something /mnt/something |
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| 05:13.03 | milkt | i don't use gui either |
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| 05:13.16 | taylorbyte | milkt so did you cryptsetup open the luks already? |
| 05:13.18 | milkt | i mean i'm in debian installer menu now |
| 05:13.33 | taylorbyte | i dont even use that lol |
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| 05:13.43 | tjt263 | hey, can I download files from packages.debian.org directly with a web browser or something? I just want to pinch a .ttf real quick |
| 05:13.45 | taylorbyte | i debootstap an install from a working computer |
| 05:14.01 | milkt | so is it better not using debian installer? |
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| 05:14.39 | tjt263 | yep, in this case |
| 05:14.41 | taylorbyte | if you want an uber stup then better doing a debootstap from the commandline |
| 05:14.41 | milkt | i opened luks container normally with arch live usb. did pvcreate vgcreate lvcreate mkvs.ext4 |
| 05:15.00 | milkt | s/mkvs/mkfs/ |
| 05:15.17 | tjt263 | Oh sorry, guess tgat wasn't for me |
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| 05:18.07 | taylorbyte | milkt i ran archlinux before goind back to debian for stability in updates. and i actually debootsraped from my arch install you can install debian from that arch USB if you want just install debootstrap |
| 05:19.52 | milkt | do you mean debian base system? i haven't used debootstrap and not familiar with it. currently looking at wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
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| 06:35.44 | jcb2016 | can i reinstall debian without touching my home dir? |
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| 06:37.23 | nix64bit | is it good practice to change the permissions of the /opt directory to myself if I am the only user on the computer? |
| 06:37.54 | SerajewelKS | jcb2016: depends what you mean by "touching" but generally, yes, there are various ways of accomplishing this |
| 06:38.05 | SerajewelKS | jcb2016: whatever you do, take a backup first |
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| 06:39.39 | jcb2016 | SerajewelKS: i don't have anything important on the home dir. i just wanted to know if its possible |
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| 06:41.50 | jcb2016 | SerajewelKS: will the installer ask me not to touch the root or creting things? |
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| 06:48.24 | jcb2016 | ok wish me luck |
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| 07:28.03 | oda | so, firefox crashes every time I try to open the 'save page' dialogue, with Gtk-WARNING **: Could not load a pixbuf from /org/gtk/libgtk/theme/Adwaita/assets/check-symbolic.svg. |
| 07:28.24 | oda | also suddenly no icons show up anywhere |
| 07:28.31 | oda | and everything is broken |
| 07:29.11 | oda | god fucking help me, I thought debian was supposed to be the distro that doesn't break. I'm running stable |
| 07:30.02 | oda | only references to that error I can find are posts from 2009 on the arch forum |
| 07:30.35 | oda | literally uninstalled and reinstalled the whole fucking x server and everything depending on it |
| 07:30.38 | oda | still broke |
| 07:30.48 | tarzeau | try avoiding firefox? tried chromium browser yet? |
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| 07:30.52 | oda | deleted gtk preferences |
| 07:30.59 | oda | and nothing |
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| 07:31.07 | tarzeau | debian doesn't write that mozilla software |
| 07:31.33 | tarzeau | reinstalling software hardly ever is the solution, because it doesn't get rid of user config files |
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| 07:31.50 | oda | it's not firefox, it's something to do with pixbuf or gdk or something |
| 07:31.57 | oda | hence the icons disappearing in everything |
| 07:32.09 | tarzeau | yeah try getting rid of your gtk configuration (good luck finding the relevant) |
| 07:32.24 | tarzeau | did you theme anything? |
| 07:33.12 | oda | nope, I was working on my awesomewm theme at the time, but just in case that was the problem I'm just using the default awesomewm theme while I'm chasing this bullshit |
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| 07:36.05 | tarzeau | is that theme gtk? |
| 07:36.19 | tarzeau | try create a new user, and then check if it happens with that user |
| 07:36.38 | tarzeau | if it's that delete all .files of that existing users and you should all be set :) |
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| 07:55.01 | oda | nah it's just the configuration for my window manager, unrelated to this bug |
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| 07:55.53 | oda | anyways fuck this shti I'm too drunk and I wanted to switch my root fs to btrfs so I'm just gonna reinstall |
| 07:56.37 | oda | just pissed that I spent 6 years on a supposedly 'less stable' distro, swithc to debian stable, and immediately have mystery bullshit errors' |
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| 07:58.47 | tarzeau | haha |
| 07:58.56 | tarzeau | i'd open another bottle of fine wodka |
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| 08:03.05 | no_gravity | Hello! When one side of a pipe keeps writing to stdout but the other side never reads it, where does all that stuff go? |
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| 08:03.17 | oda | Nah I'm all about the shochu. Lovely cheap ass 25%ABV, 2literes for about 12USD |
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| 08:30.37 | oda | Man, as much as I'm pissed off about reinstalling, this installer is truly a pleasure to behold |
| 08:30.47 | oda | Works like hot damn |
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| 08:37.07 | at0m | oda: regardless of how drukned you are, this network aims to be family-friendly. please choose your wording accordingly. |
| 08:37.26 | oda | Sorry |
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| 08:38.12 | oda | Do you get a lot of kids on this channel lol |
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| 08:38.43 | at0m | we don't do age checks, just like we don't do breathalyzer. |
| 08:38.58 | diogenes_ | in other channels they say: children and their grandmothers might be watching the channel |
| 08:39.01 | at0m | on the internet, nobody knows you're a dog. |
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| 08:40.40 | oda | Ayyyy, and we're back up. Took a while to install because of my lovely 3g internet speed lol |
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| 08:49.22 | ejr | i want to dl a package from the repo, but the package only, without installing it. i know i can use apt-get -d install packagename, but when the package is already installed on my system, that does not work. is there any way to still get just the package (without using the browser to download it from a mirror)? |
| 08:50.01 | at0m | ejr: maybe have a look in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 08:50.15 | ejr | at0m: alright, thanks, will do |
| 08:50.48 | at0m | doesn't hurt to rm the .deb's from there once in a while :> |
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| 08:51.46 | oda | Y p, looks like I'm good to go, thanks for the help guy who tried to help tarzeau |
| 08:52.20 | oda | I guess this gives me a chance to polish the ansible role for my workstation lol |
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| 09:32.41 | agio | looking at the current stretch kernel (in the apt repos) - its 4.9.0-8-amd64, apparently the mainstream kernel shipped the spectre and meltdown fixes around 4.15, does that mean the current stretch kernel (from apt repo's) does not contain the meltdown+spectre fixes? |
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| 09:35.41 | ntz | anavel: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianSecurity/SpectreMeltdown |
| 09:36.14 | ntz | ^^ so assuming that Stretch 4.9.x contains these fixes |
| 09:36.42 | ntz | agio: ^^ for you ... sorry anavel for h-light, damned aautocompletition |
| 09:37.06 | ntz | agio: you could explicitely check it against installed kernel https://packages.debian.org/stretch-backports/spectre-meltdown-checker |
| 09:37.41 | agio | cool, so the debian kernel team backported the fixes into 4.9 ? |
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| 09:38.18 | ntz | agio: wiki says so :D ... but feel free to ask over and over couple more times !! :D |
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| 09:42.22 | agio | ntz: thanks, the info you linked to has a good explanation :) |
| 09:43.35 | ntz | agio: after all, just test it via linked script ;) |
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| 09:44.50 | agio | that script package is only available via backports archive it seems - I don't have backports enabled |
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| 09:45.53 | agio | I guess its only one line in /etc/apt/sources.list and aptitude update |
| 09:49.40 | ntz | agio: you can download that pkg manualy and dpkg -i that .... likely it will have no big dependencies ;) |
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| 09:52.15 | agio | yes, usually if there are depends/recommends packages.debian.org tells us in a table below the package name right? so Im guessing this has no dependencies at all (simple shell script) |
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| 10:13.48 | yuradoc | Hello. don't understand. it worked before. i did use 'git pull' to retrive newest code. After that I can't edit those files with editors installed. |
| 10:14.01 | yuradoc | interesting that that relates to GUI only. if i use terminal 'nano' it works |
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| 10:14.19 | yuradoc | what's the error: "Error opening file... Read only file system The file or disk may now be truncated" |
| 10:14.33 | yuradoc | it's MATE DE |
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| 10:20.13 | NetTerminalGene | do you guys getting firefox crash randomly when closing youtube video? |
| 10:22.27 | at0m | NetTerminalGene: start firefox from a terminal, and paste the output somewhere? |
| 10:22.50 | NetTerminalGene | at0m, it happens randomly |
| 10:23.01 | NetTerminalGene | not so common |
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| 11:19.48 | jim | g4yer82, you want something/ |
| 11:19.49 | jim | ? |
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| 11:21.14 | jim | (so the rest of you knows, g4yer82 just ctcp versioned me |
| 11:21.20 | jim | ) |
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| 11:47.12 | colo-work | anyone on Debian Stretch using chromium? |
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| 11:48.48 | at0m | dpkg: tell colo-work about anyone |
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| 11:49.49 | colo-work | my problem is that the fix for the chromium "headless" mode regression that was pushed to stable doesn't work for me. `chromium --headless` still crashes upon start. |
| 11:50.06 | colo-work | I already asked in here if someone was able to observe the same problem, but that was too specific, apparently |
| 11:50.22 | colo-work | so now, I'm looking for chromium users willing to try reproducing my problem |
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| 11:52.38 | at0m | ,v chromium |
| 11:52.40 | judd | Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 70.0.3538.110-1~deb9u1; sid: 72.0.3626.53-1; stretch-security: 72.0.3626.96-1~deb9u2; buster: 72.0.3626.109-1 |
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| 11:52.49 | at0m | colo-work: crashes for me, on buster: https://paste.debian.net/1071376/ |
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| 11:53.37 | colo-work | at0m, thanks. |
| 11:53.41 | at0m | that's started from inside screen. if i start from plain Konsole bash, it quits without any error |
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| 11:54.52 | at0m | same from xterm as from konsole |
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| 12:11.30 | EdePopede | at0m: did your screen session survive a session restart or a reattachement? i had some sessions closing in the past and using GUI programs from screen then needed some changes in the environment. |
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| 12:13.18 | at0m | EdePopede: the session survived just fine. chromium didnt |
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| 12:14.24 | EdePopede | at0m: no, i meant a restart of X in the past. firefox won't start, chrom* may simply crash. |
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| 12:15.05 | EdePopede | just because the problem seems to be only with screen in your case. |
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| 12:18.03 | at0m | i don't remember detaching and re-attaching this session elsewhere. like, i do get issues running X apps when screen session is started from another machine beforehand |
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| 12:21.18 | EdePopede | i had to reassign some of the variables (X cookie file and such). can't say about intermachine sessions, but i guess it should work then too. |
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| 12:27.09 | andre144k | hi all... |
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| 12:28.10 | andre144k | i have the situation that "du -sh" shows "97G" - and "du -bsh" shows "135G" |
| 12:29.02 | andre144k | i think understand why, cause the files do have holes, so they dont use the complete storage... |
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| 12:30.21 | andre144k | but, what does it mean when i wld have a 150G disk? do it mean i could store max +15G in other files, or could i store max +53G in other files? |
| 12:30.48 | andre144k | (ext4) |
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| 12:48.59 | Richardo | any one knows how to add "at" symbol in germen kbd under chrooted session |
| 12:49.15 | Richardo | sytem debian 9 64bit laptop |
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| 12:49.46 | ayekat | the keyboard layout shouldn't change when entering a chroot, normally |
| 12:49.56 | mutante | copy/paste from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At_sign would be my fix :P |
| 12:51.00 | ayekat | it would seem that @ is AltGr+Q on the german keyboard layout: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_keyboard_layout#/media/File:German-T2-Keyboard-Prototype-May-2012.jpg |
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| 13:01.29 | ksk | I can confirm that ;) |
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| 13:07.07 | EdePopede | âbtw, how is this ibus thing supposed to work? seems it (whatever that means exactly) was killed recenty, in the settings dialog there is a hook to show an icon on the system tray, but has no effect. the difference is eg, now i have mdash(ndash?) on altgr-4 again like in the past, with that thing running (the icon showing the current kbd layout) it is on altgr-Â- (which now does nothing). |
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| 13:14.37 | Richardo | yeah i know all my symbol work fine Ãüäö |
| 13:14.50 | Richardo | but AltGr+q |
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| 13:14.55 | Richardo | show me q |
| 13:15.15 | Richardo | | |
| 13:15.31 | Richardo | the altgr work fine |
| 13:16.20 | Richardo | either the Euro sign didn't work |
| 13:16.32 | Richardo | altgr + e |
| 13:16.49 | Richardo | + |
| 13:17.12 | FinalX | altgr+5 .. no? that's where it's at on mine at least :P |
| 13:17.14 | FinalX | ⬠|
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| 13:18.39 | Richardo | okey in miene e |
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| 13:21.06 | ksk | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:21.13 | ksk | alt + 0134 for a pipe iirc :X |
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| 13:22.47 | andre144k | is there a way to find files which are not owned by user "nobody" ? |
| 13:23.08 | ayekat | find {path} -not -user nobody |
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| 13:23.39 | ayekat | (plus additional flags if necessary, but that's about the simplest I can think of) |
| 13:24.19 | ayekat | puts away the spoon |
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| 13:33.11 | EdePopede | ksk: depends. on hexchat (it's a gtk thing i guess) you can change the input method. works with "Simple" only here. and no chance in the terminal. |
| 13:33.44 | EdePopede | Richardo: does *any* AltGR combination give you a character? maybe it is used as 2nd alt key. |
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| 13:36.33 | Richardo | yeah <>| |
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| 13:36.43 | Richardo | just that button |
| 13:37.16 | Richardo | the alt button it is a menu button |
| 13:37.24 | Richardo | in hexchat |
| 13:38.02 | EdePopede | could it be the chroot uses some other (maybe incomplete/broken) layout? |
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| 13:38.28 | Richardo | i fully chroot the system |
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| 13:38.40 | Richardo | and i'm in full desktop |
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| 13:39.04 | Richardo | maybe the issue with Xnest |
| 13:39.31 | Richardo | but the sound work great and no problem with graphic |
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| 13:42.17 | Richardo | " !"§$%&/#()=?`*'_:;-° " all symbol fine just the ⬠& @ & the "micro" sign |
| 13:43.02 | Richardo | the "hiefen" too |
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| 13:45.33 | EdePopede | what about tty? or terminal? i always had different layouts on them |
| 13:47.45 | EdePopede | oh, not anymore it seems. at least terminal seems to be the same as gui. |
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| 13:48.48 | EdePopede | Richardo: what desktop do you use? |
| 13:49.22 | EdePopede | there are some switches which decide what exactly would be used and how |
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| 13:50.25 | uio | Hi - I'm trying to change the ugly flame logo on xscreensaver, but can't figure out how to do it. Any thoughts on how to do this? I can't stange that horrid filame thing. |
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| 13:51.57 | EdePopede | for xfce the ibus dialog has "use system keyboard layout" - and(!) "share same input method". and then the keyboard dialog: "use system default" and some more |
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| 13:52.53 | uio | Take a look in #flood for what I've tried. |
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| 14:04.18 | skylite | could someone tell me why is this happening? https://pastebin.com/PHgmnrFZ I create a zfs partition and when I check it again its ext4? O_O |
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| 14:06.08 | EdePopede | g4yer82, you're a cat? |
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| 14:06.51 | xcm | skylite: forgot to do "w"? |
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| 14:07.07 | xcm | (or am i confusing parted with something else) |
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| 14:10.16 | nevivurn | skylite: make sure to actual format the partition with mkfs.* |
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| 14:11.14 | skylite | nevivurn: im using parted not fdisk |
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| 14:12.35 | skylite | sorry, I ment xcm |
| 14:12.36 | EdePopede | the manpage looks as if `mkpart` should create the fs |
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| 14:12.47 | skylite | yes |
| 14:12.50 | nevivurn | It doesn't, from what I've seen. |
| 14:12.53 | nevivurn | But eh |
| 14:13.29 | frikinz | Why curious g4yer82? [~g4yer82@208-238-024-217.ip-addr.vsenet.de] requested CTCP VERSION from frikinz |
| 14:13.39 | EdePopede | and i don't seem to have an info page for it Oo |
| 14:14.13 | xand | you need to use the zfs utils to create zfs filesystems... |
| 14:14.18 | xand | not sure that debian has them? |
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| 14:14.45 | xcm | skylite: right, never mind that then |
| 14:14.49 | skylite | xand: I know but I create one partition for zfs |
| 14:15.17 | nevivurn | ,v zfsutils-linux |
| 14:15.18 | judd | Package: zfsutils-linux on amd64 -- jessie-backports/contrib: 0.6.5.9-5~bpo8+1; stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.9-5; jessie-backports-sloppy/contrib: 0.7.6-1~bpo8+1; stretch-backports/contrib: 0.7.12-1~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 0.7.12-2; sid/contrib: 0.7.12-2 |
| 14:15.27 | skylite | I want to add my disk serial number to the partition label so when something goes wrong I know which is the bad one |
| 14:15.59 | skylite | so first I create a partition and then do zpool create |
| 14:16.53 | nevivurn | Does the partition type specified in tools like parted matter at all, though? I don't think it creates the filesystem for you, and not sure what kind of flags it sets... |
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| 14:17.25 | EdePopede | g4yer82: if you want to know something, ask. if not, may i suppose you're trying to find some outdated vulnerable clients you could hack? |
| 14:18.07 | skylite | nevivurn: it does because if not, zfs says: invalid vdev specification use '-f' to override the following errors: /dev/disk/by-partlabel/WD-WCAZA5803456 contains a filesystem of type 'ext4' |
| 14:18.31 | EdePopede | nevivurn: you could open another shell and after executing that command read the first blocks of the partition to see if it actually did or not |
| 14:19.12 | nevivurn | That's because that partition already contains an ext4 partition, though? |
| 14:19.25 | skylite | EdePopede: my pastebin already showes that it did not, doesnt it? https://pastebin.com/PHgmnrFZ |
| 14:19.44 | nevivurn | Will do the next time I'm doing that, kinda interested. |
| 14:19.45 | skylite | well I could zero out the disk first |
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| 14:21.12 | EdePopede | skylite: did it create an ext4 instead or simply did nothing? |
| 14:22.09 | nevivurn | Just force it, that warning's just in place to prevent accidentally writing over some partition you didn't mean to re-format. |
| 14:22.36 | nevivurn | No need to wait for the disk to zero out unless you need to zero it out. |
| 14:23.18 | skylite | I zerod out the partition table and same problem :O |
| 14:23.57 | skylite | I do mkpart WD-WCAZA5803456 zfs 1 99% |
| 14:24.06 | skylite | then quit, come back, and it's ext4 |
| 14:24.20 | skylite | wtf |
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| 14:25.00 | nevivurn | I am not too familiar with the low-level intricacies of partitions and such, but the bytes in the partition may still stay there and confuse tools unless you wipe the actual disk data, not just the partition table. |
| 14:25.05 | nevivurn | Again, just -f it. |
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| 14:26.19 | ksk | parted and the likes dont really care as far as I know. |
| 14:26.22 | skylite | but I did dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdh bs=512 count=2 |
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| 14:26.34 | skylite | that should wipe out the partition table |
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| 14:27.32 | nevivurn | Yeah, but the filesystem headers (which are in the partition, not the partition table, I'd assume) are still around. |
| 14:28.07 | FinalX | wipefs -a |
| 14:28.10 | FinalX | on that disk |
| 14:28.13 | skylite | okay |
| 14:28.14 | nevivurn | ANd if you happened to create a partition at the same position as the space previously occupied by an ext4 patition, the ext4 headers and data would still be there |
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| 14:29.02 | FinalX | plus you can't just say that the partition table is 2 blocks of 512 bytes. most disks are 4096 sector size nowadays (or higher), and it can easily be 34 blocks. |
| 14:29.13 | FinalX | it's usually good enough to corrupt it either way, but still :P |
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| 14:29.41 | FinalX | can just fire up a partition tool and create a new one to blank it out anyway, often better/easier. |
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| 14:30.05 | nevivurn | Or, just let mkfs.zfs ignore the existing data and just write over it. |
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| 14:30.11 | FinalX | or that |
| 14:30.26 | skylite | nop, same issue I did wipefs first |
| 14:30.30 | FinalX | though you'd not use mkfs.zfs for that :P |
| 14:31.12 | FinalX | you create a pool, and the pool gets datasets; datasets are already containing a filesystem once created .. unless you create a volume.. each of those can have its own fileystem |
| 14:31.40 | skylite | I know my problem here is just with parted I guess |
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| 14:32.02 | skylite | I just dont know why it switches back to ext4 |
| 14:32.40 | FinalX | ZFS-on-Linux will, if you feed it a full disk, create 2 partitions. 1 main data partition (numbered 1) of type BF01, and one filler/padding (numbered 9) of type BF07 |
| 14:32.46 | FinalX | it doesn't |
| 14:32.55 | FinalX | Linux Filesystem is default, that's *not* ext2/3/4 |
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| 14:33.15 | FinalX | it's the type of partition and doesn't say anything about the filesystem per se |
| 14:33.23 | FinalX | you can still choose to format it with XFS or whatever |
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| 14:33.48 | FinalX | but if it's nice to know what kind of partition it is, so that's why you can set types; if you're going to use ZFS, set it to BF01 |
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| 14:34.23 | FinalX | in "fdisk" it's type 48, usually |
| 14:34.58 | FinalX | but you do NOT use mkpart/mkfs to create filesystems with ZFS; you use zpool create to create a zfs pool first, which automatically includes filesystems |
| 14:35.15 | FinalX | ZFS is "all in one", it takes over the job of what you'd normally do with mdraid+lvm+ext4/xfs/whatever |
| 14:35.44 | skylite | yes I always use zpool create |
| 14:35.57 | skylite | but if the partition type is not zfs, then zpool create complains |
| 14:36.06 | skylite | but I'll use -f so it wont complain |
| 14:36.12 | FinalX | you can use gdisk to set it to BF01 |
| 14:36.17 | FinalX | or fdisk it to 48 |
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| 14:36.31 | FinalX | it will show as "Solaris /usr & Apple ZFS" |
| 14:39.38 | skylite | FinalX: would you recommend raidz? or raidz2? |
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| 14:40.11 | FinalX | kinda depends on your wishes and needs; though that goes kinda out of scope for this channel.. perhaps continuing on #zfsonlinux would be better :) |
| 14:40.35 | skylite | sure |
| 14:40.40 | FinalX | personally I don't like raidz that much, but a lot of people like it for the space/security trade-off |
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| 14:48.12 | deadrom | hi |
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| 14:49.27 | deadrom | how can I mount an iso on a remote box with no samba or NFS client? can one.. redirect a device through an ssh tunnel? |
| 14:49.49 | xand | copy it there and mount -o loop |
| 14:50.01 | deadrom | xand: copy is not an option |
| 14:50.15 | deadrom | iso needs to stay with the local drive |
| 14:50.36 | xand | mount it locally and use SSHFS |
| 14:52.21 | greycat | sshfs mounts it over an SFTP connection, so you can try that |
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| 14:55.10 | deadrom | no sshfs on the remote machine. |
| 14:55.16 | jelly | install it |
| 14:55.59 | deadrom | hehe, that's the problem: machine is only reachable via vpn, has no outside internert/www access so no mirrors. the install iso is exactly what I'm trying to mount |
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| 14:56.31 | greycat | sshfs is on the CLIENT. The remote (server) only needs to be running a regular sshd. |
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| 14:56.33 | bendem | so you need to mount a device remotely without remote access? |
| 14:56.42 | jelly | deadrom: if you can ssh into it, you can also tunnel a connection to a http proxy and then you don't need an iso at all |
| 14:57.11 | jelly | and also you get internet access. |
| 14:57.12 | bendem | if you can ssh, you can scp the iso |
| 14:59.09 | jelly | deadrom: rough steps: bring up a http proxy, say squid3 locally, on say port 3128. ssh -R 3128:localhost:3128 your-remote-machine. Then "export http_proxy=http://localhost:3128/" on the remote machine and use that to reach mirrors or download isos with wget or curl or whatever |
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| 15:10.47 | deadrom | jelly: love it |
| 15:10.57 | Richardo | how to open an onion without tor-browser, with using a tor relay |
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| 15:11.47 | Richardo | and firefox set it with the relay |
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| 15:12.52 | n4dir | https://www.tor2web.org/ |
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| 15:16.24 | Richardo | so with tor-arm it need to install tor2web to visit an onion |
| 15:18.01 | n4dir | if so, then i completely misunderstood |
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| 15:34.16 | Sami_ | does this mean I am supposed to install libegl1-mesa-dev and libwayland-dev |
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| 16:04.52 | wald0 | no 486 nor 586 kernels on buster, only 686? hum.. so what is the oldest machine supported by Debian in buster now ? I have also see an increase of RAM usage by default to around 500MB for only X11 running |
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| 16:05.52 | SerajewelKS | did you change architectures? |
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| 16:05.58 | greycat | You'd have to ask #debian-next about that. But even in stretch, some of those are unsupported. |
| 16:06.02 | SerajewelKS | e.g. upgrade fro x86 to x64 |
| 16:06.06 | wald0 | yes im on a 64bit default system checking this |
| 16:06.33 | SerajewelKS | 64-bit systems will generally use more memory than 32-bit |
| 16:06.54 | wald0 | yeah so im looking a bit for what can be offered in 32bit |
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| 16:08.44 | wald0 | wheezy 100 MB ram in X11, buster 500 MB ram in X11 (x86_64 base), hum... |
| 16:08.52 | greycat | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#idm120 |
| 16:08.57 | greycat | The 32-bit PC support (known as the Debian architecture i386) now no longer covers a plain i586 processor. The new baseline is the i686, although some i586 processors (e.g. the âAMD Geodeâ) will remain supported. |
| 16:09.34 | wald0 | so I assume that there's no way to still support these old machines easly |
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| 16:09.47 | greycat | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#i386-is-now-almost-i686 |
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| 16:10.11 | greycat | comparing wheezy to buster (7 to 10) is unfair |
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| 16:11.19 | wald0 | yeah, my actual machines still use wheezy |
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| 16:11.55 | greycat | If it's a 586 that isn't an AMD Geode, then jessie is the last version which supports it. |
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| 16:13.05 | wald0 | I see |
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| 16:20.25 | humpled | mine is a pentium 2 is that out? |
| 16:21.07 | greycat | Pentium II is a 686, which is supported. |
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| 16:21.19 | jelly | humpled: that's the oldest technically still supported with a 32bit kernel |
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| 16:22.30 | jelly | the cpu needs PAE and SSE for 32bit stretch kernel I think |
| 16:22.31 | humpled | woot |
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| 16:22.55 | jelly | but you're goit to have a hard time running things with 256-512MB RAM |
| 16:23.03 | jelly | going* to have |
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| 16:23.56 | jelly | graphical drivers (Xorg) in particular suffer from bitrot and lose stable support for older GPUs with newer versions |
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| 16:25.19 | jelly | so if wheezy and ELTS is good enough for you for internal use (web browsers not exposed to internet sites), that might be the best option |
| 16:26.16 | greycat | Buying a new(ish) computer may be the best option. |
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| 16:51.34 | humpled | i should be okay according to this: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#i386-is-now-almost-i686 |
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| 16:59.43 | dsetchell | hello! For stretch and newer I see that rc.local is depricated and I see a number of ways of getting it back in place. I do need "run on startup" style scripts. Is there a way to do that in a non-depricated way? |
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| 17:00.24 | dsetchell | Meaning I'm not finding anywhere, "this is how todo rc.local going forward" |
| 17:00.34 | xand | dsetchell: @reboot cron job, systemd service.... |
| 17:00.45 | greycat | The "correct" way it to write a one-shot systemd unit. But if rc.local works for you, just go ahead and use it for now. |
| 17:01.27 | greycat | sorry, "oneshot" without the hyphen |
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| 17:02.11 | humpled | though i don't have SSE, don't have X either so only using 93MB without buffers and caches |
| 17:02.14 | jaggz | this ppa for "makehuman" software doesn't have a release file.. how do I investigate or handle this? |
| 17:02.20 | dsetchell | xand: greycat: thanks! I'll look into the oneshot. |
| 17:02.23 | jaggz | https://launchpad.net/~makehuman-official/+archive/ubuntu/makehuman-community |
| 17:02.30 | jaggz | in the past it's worked with debian fine |
| 17:03.08 | towo` | jaggz, ppa's are for ubuntu, not debian |
| 17:03.24 | towo` | jaggz, and ppa's are not a topic in a debian channel |
| 17:04.02 | jaggz | towo`, I thought it was an apt-add-repository thing, used by debian |
| 17:04.25 | towo` | jaggz, again, debian does not have any ppa |
| 17:04.31 | jaggz | interesting |
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| 17:07.33 | jelly | jaggz: binaries built in PPA may or may not work on Debian, there's ero guarantee either way. What we know is they are built specifically for ubuntu releases and on ubuntu build servers, not on debian or for debian |
| 17:07.42 | jhutchins_wk | dsetchell: I believe there are docs out there on how to enable rc.local, basically it's just that the package that created the blank file isn't used any more. |
| 17:08.07 | jaggz | jelly, thanks |
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| 17:08.47 | jhutchins_wk | dsetchell: In fact, systemd-rc-local-generator exists. |
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| 17:11.17 | jhutchins_wk | dsetchell: You'll find plenty of info if you search "systemd rc.local". |
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| 17:12.16 | greycat | Support for /etc/rc.local is still in stretch. If you create an /etc/rc.local file and make it executable and give it a #!/bin/sh shebang, it will Just Work. |
| 17:12.32 | greycat | The file isn't created by default in new stetch installations, is the only difference from jessie. |
| 17:13.33 | dsetchell | jhutchins_wk: ^ totally saw some of that :: was looking to prepare for the future. Looks like the oneshot service will do the trick too. thank you! |
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| 17:18.30 | jaggz | tx buds |
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| 17:34.53 | Tenkawa | yay |
| 17:35.20 | Tenkawa | I consolidated machines finally |
| 17:35.39 | AlexNagy | running a virtual machine? |
| 17:35.55 | Tenkawa | no... bought one machine to rule them all |
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| 17:36.05 | AlexNagy | I guess that works too. |
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| 17:36.22 | Tenkawa | I had a whole lot of physical boxes not capable of doing what I wanted to do |
| 17:36.44 | Tenkawa | including gaming |
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| 17:38.27 | AlexNagy | I feel ya. |
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| 17:38.48 | AlexNagy | I'm using an old Dell Precision T3500 for gaming/streaming. It's....less than ideal. |
| 17:39.02 | AlexNagy | Biggest bottleneck is the cpu, I think. |
| 17:39.12 | Tenkawa | mine has been the gou's |
| 17:39.16 | Tenkawa | er gpu |
| 17:39.45 | Tenkawa | this one has a nvidia gtx with 6gb of ram... I think I'll be ok |
| 17:39.52 | AlexNagy | ah. Yeah, I'll be upgrading my gpu soon, but first the RAM. Max it out to 24GB and then get a pair of Quadro 5000's (the max the stock config can support) |
| 17:39.55 | Tenkawa | (6b just for the gpu) |
| 17:40.17 | AlexNagy | Nice, my current gpu only has 2GB |
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| 17:40.32 | Tenkawa | this is a notebook too :) |
| 17:40.37 | AlexNagy | dayum |
| 17:40.43 | AlexNagy | Not bad at all. |
| 17:40.44 | Tenkawa | I dont want a desktop anymore |
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| 17:41.08 | AlexNagy | really? I'll never be w/o a desktop, especially for gaming. I do want to get a better lappy though. |
| 17:41.35 | Tenkawa | I'm never sitting at a desk |
| 17:41.51 | AlexNagy | (: |
| 17:41.59 | AlexNagy | I'm always at a desk, especially at home. |
| 17:42.02 | Tenkawa | even my racing wheel is mounted on a table in front of me |
| 17:42.15 | Tenkawa | ahhh I'm never hardly at home |
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| 17:42.51 | Tenkawa | that was my motivation.. i wanted something I could truly keep mobile |
| 17:43.03 | Tenkawa | now to the debian q... |
| 17:43.06 | AlexNagy | cool beans and gg on achieving that. |
| 17:43.53 | Tenkawa | AlexNagy: I run debian on everything but just want to check something before I do something stupid |
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| 17:45.06 | Tenkawa | This box has a ssd + platter drive setup... with intel's rapid start blah blah.. is there any gotchas that anyone can think of I need to watch for? |
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| 17:53.37 | Tenkawa | we'll see what the live usb stick does |
| 17:53.41 | Tenkawa | bbiaf |
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| 18:36.35 | hanasaki | does debian support compressed kernel modules for a custom build? |
| 18:36.49 | hanasaki | had some issues when doing so |
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| 18:38.05 | pagetelegram | So I wrote a program to batch PDF to efax command arguments and I'm stuck converting the TIFF to right size and format....the resulting file comes out garbled. I'm using this efix -o tiffg3 -p 8.5x11 -r 196x196 file.tiff >file.tif |
| 18:39.52 | pagetelegram | I did get faxing with text with TIFF letterhead working perfect. I'm just stuck on this last bit and then I'm off to the races. |
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| 18:43.56 | pagetelegram | If anyone interested in what I am trying to do, I want to offer faxing services to NFP organizations and working with Childhood Fractured to work out a solution for sending a Press Release and Donor letters out to a list of companies with a philanthropy department. This would be part of my Page Telegram services, pagetelegram.com and just testing the waters with these tools last couple months. Got a VOIP connection to do this t |
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| 18:47.03 | Tenkawa | darn secure boot |
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| 18:47.28 | Tenkawa | not ready to disable it quite yet and potentially watch my windows install go goofy |
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| 18:48.01 | pagetelegram | Anyhow if anyone knows or had experiencing with efax and efix commands please feel free to message my privately, I am going to jump in the shower now. |
| 18:48.08 | SpeedyG | it was goofy when it was installed in the first place, thats just windows' nature :P |
| 18:48.44 | Tenkawa | SpeedyG: windows is perfectly fine... secureboot not so much |
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| 18:51.16 | Tenkawa | good thing I dont have a monthly bandwidth cap at home |
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| 18:51.36 | Tenkawa | I have to dload 80gb when I get home for one app |
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| 18:59.57 | jhutchins_wk | hanasaki: Hey dude! |
| 19:00.10 | jhutchins_wk | hanasaki: Do you know of a distribution that definitely does support that? |
| 19:00.31 | nyloc | Hi, I have a problem with my preseed file. https://bpaste.net/show/44a43468a267 |
| 19:00.31 | nyloc | Whatever I write in the tasksel part it always installs a complete system with X-Server and 1500 packages. All I want is a minimal server with openssh server. Anyone seeing my error? |
| 19:00.31 | nyloc | One thing i noticed after doing a manual install is that the debconf-get-selection --installer shows (d-i tasksel/first multiselect SSH server, Standard-Systemwerkzeuge). Is this maybe a language localization error? |
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| 19:01.16 | jhutchins_wk | pagetelegram: You might try using imagemagic to convert it. |
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| 19:03.07 | Sleaker | nyloc: is this on stretch? |
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| 19:03.18 | nyloc | Sleaker: Yes |
| 19:03.33 | Sleaker | sec let me pull my preseed for a base system |
| 19:03.33 | nyloc | with the mini.iso booted via PXE |
| 19:04.40 | Sleaker | nyloc: pretty sure your formatting is wrong |
| 19:04.41 | Sleaker | it should be: |
| 19:04.42 | Sleaker | tasksel tasksel/first multiselect standard, ssh-server |
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| 19:04.48 | Sleaker | not d-i tasksel |
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| 19:05.08 | Sleaker | unless mine's outdated. |
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| 19:05.56 | Sleaker | if it's installing too much that might just be standard itself. |
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| 19:07.15 | nyloc | Sleaker, thanks I will check, maybe thats my error |
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| 19:08.20 | Sleaker | on my actual installed system I don't have standard, just ssh-server + some other tasks, but that's after I've modified the system in a late-command |
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| 19:12.00 | nyloc | Sleaker: Thanks a lot, not sure how I could miss this as I thought I copied from (https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/example-preseed.txt). But now I have a pretty small system without all the X bloat (127 packages instead of 1493). |
| 19:12.24 | Sleaker | pretty sure d-i doesn't keep the preseed examples updated. |
| 19:12.27 | Sleaker | I know for sure ubuntu doesn't |
| 19:13.06 | Sleaker | also this is in that file: |
| 19:13.07 | Sleaker | ### Package selection |
| 19:13.07 | Sleaker | #tasksel tasksel/first multiselect standard, web-server, kde-desktop |
| 19:13.12 | nyloc | Sleaker: Yeah but it's right in this |
| 19:13.14 | nyloc | yes ;= |
| 19:13.24 | Sleaker | yah, not sure how you ended up with d-i |
| 19:13.45 | Sleaker | oh so changing it worked? |
| 19:13.55 | nyloc | So nut sure how I ended up with this but I would have searched forever ;). Yeah it works fine now. |
| 19:14.01 | Sleaker | kk cool |
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| 19:14.23 | Sleaker | I'd suggest you look over some of the other settings too to be sure, not averything is d-i prefix |
| 19:14.31 | nyloc | No i only have to set my pxe files to automatically start the auto label |
| 19:15.00 | nyloc | /s/No/Now |
| 19:15.06 | Sleaker | cool |
| 19:15.14 | nyloc | Sleaker: Yeah I will recheck the whole file. |
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| 19:16.21 | pagetelegram | jhutchins, thank you. I will look into that direction if imagemagic has options for g3 compression with TIFFs. |
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| 19:17.35 | mikadoZero | I have a desktop computer with Debian on it. I want to play sound using some computer speakers but I only get static if I turn the volume up. I can get it to play correctly using a USB headset but I want to use the computer speakers. For hardware I have two multimedia audio controllers: Intel AC'97 audio controller (rev 02) and Creative Labs [SB Live! Value] EMU10k1X |
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| 19:20.12 | krabador | g4yer82, what the fuck CTCP ???? |
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| 19:20.59 | greycat | He did it to me a few hours back. I don't know what he's planning, but I'm not worried. |
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| 19:30.54 | EdePopede | so we're at least five. and he still doesn't explain what he's planing. |
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| 19:35.49 | jcb2016 | there a pdf format version of the handbook? |
| 19:36.22 | pagetelegram | For Debian8 the handbook is free. Forgot where at. |
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| 19:36.58 | greycat | !handbook |
| 19:36.58 | dpkg | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>. PDF at https://debian-handbook.info/download/stable/debian-handbook.pdf |
| 19:37.16 | pagetelegram | Come to thing of it I might search for some books on faxing from the 90s lol.....hell not a lot online other than man pages. |
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| 19:40.44 | jcb2016 | thanks greycat |
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| 19:47.09 | Deihmos | i notice than some of my apps use a lot less cpu on debian compared than ubuntu. any idea why that would be ? |
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| 19:47.58 | greycat | Different version? Different settings? Different video drivers? |
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| 19:49.14 | Deihmos | exact same app |
| 19:49.19 | Deihmos | same settings |
| 19:49.33 | Deihmos | this app isn't using any video |
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| 19:49.53 | Deihmos | different kernell i guess |
| 19:51.27 | BCMM | Deihmos: what about architecture? was one 32-bit and one 64-bit? |
| 19:51.40 | Deihmos | same architecture. 64bit |
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| 19:52.19 | BCMM | also are you measuring cpu the same on both machines? in some tools, 100% means one core fully utilised, on others 100% means the whole cpu fully utilised. in some tools, it's even configurable |
| 19:53.22 | Deihmos | same on both using top and htop |
| 19:53.50 | Deihmos | it is no big deal. just found it interesting. decided to just stick with ubuntu |
| 19:53.53 | Deihmos | i mean debian |
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| 19:57.47 | Deihmos | how can i check the backports for updated apps? |
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| 19:58.11 | Deihmos | how do you know what is available in backports |
| 19:58.17 | greycat | if you're already using it, apt-cache show yourpkg, or apt-cache policy yourpkg |
| 19:58.31 | greycat | or here in IRC, /msg judd v yourpkg |
| 19:59.40 | Deihmos | cool thanks |
| 20:01.08 | Deihmos | maybe debian just better at handling these tasks |
| 20:01.24 | Deihmos | ubuntu installs 1Gb of extra stuff. |
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| 20:02.05 | bolt | or maybe ubuntu top has irix mode off by default |
| 20:02.13 | bolt | (shift+i) |
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| 20:02.29 | Deihmos | i know about that. it is on by default |
| 20:02.44 | bolt | hm. that would actually tilt it the other way |
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| 20:02.59 | Deihmos | on by default on debian also |
| 20:03.25 | Deihmos | looked at it with it on and off. |
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| 20:08.11 | mikadoZero | I have tried to use alsamixer to unmute everything and turn the volume up but I dot not get audio out of my pluged in speakers. |
| 20:08.52 | Deihmos | hdhomrun recording service |
| 20:08.56 | Deihmos | records tv channels |
| 20:09.08 | Deihmos | and streams tv to devices |
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| 20:09.53 | Deihmos | there is no theme or gui. |
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| 20:15.43 | jhutchins_wk | !alsa checklist |
| 20:15.43 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
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| 20:16.12 | darsie | How do I resolve this nvidia-smi:i386 dependency conflict? http://paste.debian.net/1071524/ |
| 20:16.13 | jhutchins_wk | Deihmos: My guess would be different flags/options selected at compile time. |
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| 20:18.42 | darsie | Is it a bug that boinc-client-nvidia-cuda depends on two conflicting packages? nvidia-smi{ab} nvidia-smi:i386{ab} |
| 20:20.19 | greycat | ,depends boinc-client-nvidia-cuda |
| 20:20.20 | judd | Package boinc-client-nvidia-cuda in stretch/amd64 -- depends: boinc-client, libcuda1 | libcuda1-any | libcuda-7.5-1 | libcuda-7.0-1 | libcuda-6.5-1 | libcuda-6.0-1 | libcuda-5.5-1 | libcuda-5.0-1. |
| 20:20.47 | greycat | Try narrowing it down to the *actual* packages involved. I got bored after the first 3 or 4 checks did not turn up either of the things you claimed. |
| 20:21.12 | darsie | did you see my pastebin? |
| 20:21.54 | darsie | I'll try boinc-client-opencl |
| 20:23.36 | darsie | although that might not be for nvidia cards: boinc-client-opencl - metapackage for AMD/ATI OpenCL-savvy BOINC client and manager |
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| 20:24.40 | darsie | idk how to narrow that down. |
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| 20:26.25 | darsie | installing nvidia-smi/:i386 is dependency hell. |
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| 20:28.09 | darsie | installing boinc-client-opencl has a similar issue. |
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| 20:28.25 | darsie | CPU it is, then :(. |
| 20:28.36 | Tenkawa | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:28.44 | somiaj | darsie: have you provided all the info in the bat factoid, naimly the policy you are using, and the policy of each package listed? |
| 20:28.47 | somiaj | !bat |
| 20:28.47 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 20:30.20 | darsie | no. Was that a rethorical question? |
| 20:30.21 | somiaj | Also is this a stretch system in which you are also maybe using nvidia drivers from stretch-backports? |
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| 20:30.32 | somiaj | It was more a look at that info, it can really help narrow things down. |
| 20:30.40 | darsie | I'm not sure. I used the debian method. |
| 20:30.55 | greycat | You're not sure which version of Debian you're using? |
| 20:31.01 | somiaj | i.e. we prefer to have all that info in the factoid in a pastebin to help see what the issue could be. |
| 20:31.08 | darsie | I have stretch installed. |
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| 20:31.19 | somiaj | darsie: and are you using the nvidia drivers from stretch-backports by chance? |
| 20:31.29 | somiaj | (or using any packages from stretch-backports) |
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| 20:31.50 | darsie | I'll try to find the instructions I used and see if that says backports. |
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| 20:32.16 | greycat | Instead of looking for weird old documents that you may or may not have followed, how about just seeing what version of the drivers is currently installed? |
| 20:32.25 | somiaj | darsie: sharing us the apt policy info in the bots factoid can help us see what you actually have on your system. |
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| 20:33.11 | darsie | I have deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian stretch-backports main |
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| 20:34.25 | somiaj | my guess is you have a conflict between packages in stretch-backports and stretch that you need to manually track down and resolve. (Unfortunally due to pinning, things are not always the smoothest when using stretch-backports package). |
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| 20:35.07 | somiaj | you could also just try (though make sure you want to do this and know what it does) add a -t stretch-backports to your install line to let aptitude know it can use packages from stretch-backports to resolve things (But I would first share the apt policy stuff the bot told you to see if you have any of those packages from stretch-backports installed on your system first) |
| 20:35.22 | darsie | dpkg -l *nvidia*: http://paste.debian.net/1071527/ |
| 20:35.22 | dpkg | ii *nvidia*: http://paste.debian.net/1071527/ 3.1-12 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 20:35.36 | somiaj | darsie: can we have the apt policy lines asked for. |
| 20:36.48 | somiaj | hmm, wonder if it is an issue with the cuda packages not working nicely with the legacy nvidia versions you have. |
| 20:37.49 | somiaj | yea, that is probably it, there are pcakages like nvidia-legacy-340xx-smi -- you need to make sure all these packages match the legacy drivers you are using. |
| 20:38.04 | somiaj | so of course nvidia-smi won't install, since you need to use the legacy version of that package. |
| 20:38.31 | somiaj | and it could be that this boin-client-nvidia-cuda package is not compadable with the legacy drivers. |
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| 20:39.08 | darsie | There, everything in one nice, big package :) http://paste.debian.net/1071530/ |
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| 20:40.02 | darsie | ok, I'll try the legacy packages ... |
| 20:40.04 | somiaj | well you didn't provide all the info the bot asked for, but anyways, I think the issue is the legacy packages you are using not compadable with the package you want to install. |
| 20:40.29 | somiaj | I also notice you have a source foor xenial/main there, that is a red flag to me, you don't want to install packages made for ubuntu in debian. |
| 20:40.39 | darsie | What did I forget? |
| 20:40.41 | SerajewelKS | is there a way with patch to view rejected hunks with --dry-run? |
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| 20:40.57 | somiaj | 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem |
| 20:41.22 | SerajewelKS | --dry-run appears to suppress all output, including reject files. which makes this mode pretty much useless for me. |
| 20:41.34 | somiaj | you only listed one, but I don't think it is needed, I think it is a conflict with the legacy drivers and what you want may not be possible with legacy drviers. |
| 20:42.13 | somiaj | SerajewelKS: what command? dpkg --dry-run? Though rejected hunks makes me think you are messing with some source package and patches. |
| 20:43.50 | darsie | somiaj: Looks like I used hte xenial line to install signal (the private messenger). I guess it wasn't available in debian. |
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| 20:44.42 | greycat | SerajewelKS: copy the target directory and run the patch in the copy and see what falls out? |
| 20:44.46 | somiaj | darsie: in general that is a good way to get you into problems like you are experiencing now (due to shared depends). Though unsure if it actually is the issue this time or not (I still think it is due to legacy issues) |
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| 20:45.24 | darsie | Yeah, https://signal.org/download/ told me use xenial. |
| 20:45.45 | somiaj | there is lots of bad advise on the internet. Here read this |
| 20:45.47 | somiaj | !don't break debian |
| 20:45.48 | dpkg | dont break debian is, like, https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 20:45.53 | darsie | How do I install signal properly? |
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| 20:46.35 | somiaj | That link has some suggestions on how to install software not available in the debian repo. Compile from source is often the path I take. |
| 20:46.41 | darsie | dkpg has no idea about signal. |
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| 20:50.14 | SerajewelKS | somiaj: patch |
| 20:50.36 | SerajewelKS | greycat: that's the only thing i can think of; sucks that i need to make an unnecessary copy, though |
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| 20:51.43 | greycat | It really sounds like you're trying to hand-craft a source code management system, or an ansible-type thing. |
| 20:56.05 | Tenkawa | well back to waiting for this download to finish.. cheers all |
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| 21:04.37 | SerajewelKS | greycat: applying vendor-supplied patches |
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| 21:13.09 | Deihmos | jhutchins_wk: it is the same file used to run the app on Ubuntu and Debian. It is just 1 file. |
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| 21:15.45 | jhutchins_wk | Deihmos: It may have the same name, but does it have the same checksum? |
| 21:15.59 | Deihmos | Exact same file. |
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| 21:42.08 | Deihmos | Yes it is exactly the same. |
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| 21:42.42 | Deihmos | It is the same file used across Linux |
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| 21:45.33 | Deihmos | It is no big deal though. Settling on using Debian |
| 21:45.48 | Deihmos | Debian server Ubuntu desktop |
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| 21:52.27 | darsie | To avoid breakind debian I wanted to delete "deb [arch=amd64] https://updates.signal.org/desktop/apt xenial main" and download and install the signal-desktop package manually, but I don't get a file list at https://updates.signal.org/desktop/apt . Get: 1 https://updates.signal.org/desktop/apt xenial/main amd64 signal-desktop amd64 1.22.0 [74.4 MB] |
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| 21:53.07 | greycat | It still says xenial. Did you forget to run apt-get update? |
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| 21:53.25 | mawk | the package may have reinstalled the source darsie |
| 21:53.27 | mawk | some do that |
| 21:53.38 | darsie | greycat: I still have the xenial deb line. |
| 21:53.53 | darsie | I just installed it with aptitude so I might get a valid URL for the package. |
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| 21:54.40 | darsie | Can you help me get a URL where I can download it manually? |
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| 21:55.03 | darsie | Or is there a special key exchange/authentication with the repository? |
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| 21:57.22 | darsie | are there options to aptitude so it displays download URLs? |
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| 22:00.10 | darsie | I couldn't find a source code for signal-desktop. |
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| 22:00.56 | darsie | ahh https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Desktop |
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| 22:05.52 | jmcnaught | darsie: you can install it as a flatpak: https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.signal.Signal |
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| 22:06.22 | darsie | jmcnaught: Is that an android package for an android emulator? |
| 22:06.35 | jmcnaught | no |
| 22:07.09 | jmcnaught | flatpak is a desktop linux distro-independent package system, there's a flatpak package in stretch (and a newer one in backports) |
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| 22:10.40 | darsie | idk how to compile https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Desktop . There's no makefile and README.md says "Install the production version: https://signal.org/download/" which tells me to use the xenial repository. |
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| 22:11.59 | darsie | Could it be that https://updates.signal.org/desktop/apt is just the signal-desktop.deb and no other xenial stuff will be installed? |
| 22:12.28 | darsie | pulling everyone else from the stretch repository |
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| 22:12.33 | darsie | everything* |
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| 22:13.06 | darsie | I mean, it downloads just that from there. |
| 22:13.40 | darsie | Not sure if it installed something else that didn't uninstall when I uninstalled signal. |
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| 22:14.07 | jmcnaught | You can check your apt logs for when you installed signal and see if it pulled anything else in |
| 22:14.45 | darsie | looks for apt logs ... |
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| 22:15.35 | humpled | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.06 | darsie | yeah, thx. |
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| 22:18.15 | darsie | There's a session with just Install: signal-desktop:amd64 (1.15.5) |
| 22:18.37 | darsie | First occurence of signal |
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| 22:20.18 | darsie | Does that make it look safe to install signal from "deb [arch=amd64] https://updates.signal.org/desktop/apt xenial main" ? |
| 22:21.27 | darsie | I mean, it's not from the ubuntu site. |
| 22:21.52 | darsie | teh whole repository |
| 22:22.39 | jmcnaught | well there's always a risk using a third-party repo and non-Debian packages, but it looks like you've determined that only the single package you wanted gets installed |
| 22:22.53 | darsie | thx |
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| 22:23.38 | darsie | do old apt logs get deleted? |
| 22:23.38 | jmcnaught | personally I would install a flatpak before using a package compiled for a different distro |
| 22:23.41 | darsie | by default? |
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| 22:24.18 | jmcnaught | they get rotated, the config for that is in /etc/logrotate.d/apt |
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| 22:24.52 | darsie | k. Rotate 12 monthly |
| 22:25.19 | darsie | When did I install this debian initially? |
| 22:26.44 | darsie | I see /etc/bash_completion Mar 22 2014, but I installed it after that. |
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| 22:35.01 | darsie | Yeah, it's still complete. |
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| 22:36.51 | darsie | Could the xenial signal package alone mess up debian with its installation scripts or so? |
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| 22:39.06 | jmcnaught | it's possible, those scripts run as root |
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| 22:39.27 | darsie | https://support.signal.org/hc/en-us/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&query=debian says Confirm that your OS supports Signal Desktop: Windows 64-bit: 7, 8, 8.1 and 10 MacOS 10.9 and above Linux 64-bit distributions supporting APT, like Ubuntu or Debian. |
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| 22:45.20 | knstn | People, where i can find wheezy 7.0 ISO on debian site? I'm searching 20min now... or i could just be to sleepy |
| 22:45.46 | bleb | how would i configure man to look in $HOME/man for man pages? |
| 22:46.52 | themill | !cd archive |
| 22:46.52 | dpkg | A repository for CD images of older Debian releases is at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 22:48.24 | themill | bleb: you can export MANPATH |
| 22:49.09 | themill | (see man(1)) |
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| 22:51.21 | bleb | themill: yeah i tried that and no luck |
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| 22:52.10 | bleb | ah never mind... |
| 22:52.15 | bleb | i guess i only thought i tried it |
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| 22:58.21 | f91w | I'm trying to recover my /var off a corrupted ext4 /. The journal has a bad magic number, debugfs shows it having no filetype/date/permissions/etc. No blocks in the /var inode. How do I recover files? |
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| 23:02.27 | EdePopede | f91w: did you try testdisk? |
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| 23:03.41 | f91w | EdePopede: No, but I installed it. |
| 23:05.28 | f91w | :< |
| 23:05.39 | EdePopede | and general hint: be conservative. if possible, backup even the broken partition, try without write access first (not sure what is possible anymore, used it some years ago) |
| 23:06.34 | f91w | i have it as a nonpersistent vmdk attachment |
| 23:06.39 | f91w | so anything i write can be rescinded |
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| 23:07.31 | EdePopede | ah that's good. always better to work on a copy |
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| 23:13.29 | dualspace | how many usermodes does it take to join a fucking channel you dumb lawn monkeys |
| 23:13.37 | dualspace | fucking jackass |
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| 23:14.21 | dualspace | TALK YOU FUCKING PENIS |
| 23:14.24 | darsie | 42 |
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| 23:14.32 | themill | more than you have. |
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| 23:16.12 | f91w | EdePopede: he has a point |
| 23:16.29 | f91w | err |
| 23:16.44 | f91w | themill: freenode has gotten very restrictive |
| 23:16.51 | f91w | i used to not hav eto register to talk on a channel |
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| 23:17.03 | themill | so? |
| 23:17.18 | f91w | the point is that was less restrictive |
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| 23:17.25 | EdePopede | f91w: thank the spam bots |
| 23:17.45 | coruja | f91w, you've just seen why |
| 23:17.50 | themill | f91w: that's no excuse for that sort of behaviour |
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| 23:17.58 | f91w | coruja: pretty sure dualspace wasn't a spam bot |
| 23:18.04 | EdePopede | right atm i've had to set some channels to +R elsewhere |
| 23:18.04 | themill | Moving on. |
| 23:18.21 | coruja | it was unwanted and misbehaving, bot or human |
| 23:18.32 | f91w | themill: eh dude this is irc |
| 23:18.39 | EdePopede | so what? |
| 23:19.00 | themill | f91w: that doesn't mean you're allowed to be an abusive idiot. |
| 23:19.05 | EdePopede | irc doesn't mean you can be an asshole if you feel like being one |
| 23:19.25 | f91w | I get it, you're a janitor and you want things clean |
| 23:19.44 | coruja | there may be chatrooms where you can be, but this one isn't |
| 23:19.44 | f91w | but he wasn't an asshole or abusive to anyone in particular |
| 23:19.53 | themill | f91w: that's enough, thanks. |
| 23:20.05 | EdePopede | you dumb lawn monkeys |
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| 23:20.35 | EdePopede | due to the structure of english language this may mean the ops in here, or everyone |
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| 23:20.55 | themill | Let's move on. |
| 23:21.19 | f91w | themill: I don't know about you but if we're dumb lawn monkeys I think we really need an open discussion or inquiry |
| 23:21.31 | coruja | !ot |
| 23:21.32 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 23:21.50 | themill | f91w: no, we don't need to discuss whether racial slurs are appropriate. They are not. |
| 23:21.52 | EdePopede | for buster? : |
| 23:21.53 | EdePopede | :D |
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| 23:23.02 | f91w | I, for one, welcome our dumb lawn monkey overlords. |
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| 23:27.47 | Rubin | Iv come across a fix for a bug in the debian bug tracking system. I sen't a follow-up message to the bug system, but I wonder if it will languaish. Should I do anything else to help get a patch pushed? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=893879 |
| 23:27.48 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/893879 in ganglia-webfrontend (open): «"Inspect" graph broken»; severity: important; opened: 2018-03-23; last modified: 2018-03-23. |
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| 23:33.24 | somiaj | Rubin: do you see your email on that link yet? If not maybe you didn't send it correctly. |
| 23:33.44 | orlock | Quick question - Does Debian (Jessia, specifically) include specific patch numbers in version responses? |
| 23:33.51 | somiaj | Rubin: Also did you provide a patch, that will help the matianer fix things (and has it been fixed upstream, sometimes matainers wait for the fix to come from upstream) |
| 23:33.52 | orlock | From what i can tell, the answer is no |
| 23:34.14 | Rubin | somiaj, yes, i'm the 2nd one 'Alex' |
| 23:34.33 | Rubin | i did not provide a patch (because I don't really know how) but i'm willing to learn if someone can give me a hand |
| 23:34.34 | somiaj | orlock: define what you mean by specific patch numbers. Debian version numbers should follow epoc:<upstreamversion>-<debian revision> |
| 23:34.56 | orlock | somiaj: Whoops, i missed a work. in Apache version responses |
| 23:35.17 | orlock | somiaj: ie sshd responses include a patch level, apache, in my quick check, does not |
| 23:35.19 | somiaj | orlock: so that is why you often see -1, -2, -3 at the end over version numbers to say debian vevision which includes debian specific patches. |
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| 23:35.27 | Rubin | I am trying to investigate if it was fixed upstream but .. ganglia's upstream seems a bit broken. I can only find reference to an svn repository on sourceforge that hasnt been updated since 2014 |
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| 23:35.53 | somiaj | Rubin: sometimes matainers are just slow, and users can use your report as either a workaround or if you provide a patch to patch it themselves. |
| 23:36.22 | orlock | somiaj: yeah, i'm wondering specificalyl about the Apache server version. I've checked a few, none seem to include a patch level |
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| 23:36.31 | somiaj | orlock: ahh, I'm talking about debian package versions. It might depend on the matainer if they add the debian specific version number to the actual binary version for its response. |
| 23:36.50 | themill | orlock: apache can be configured to do so or not |
| 23:37.29 | orlock | Yeah, i'm just curious as to the default. I'm sure i have a jessie system here somewhere... |
| 23:37.37 | orlock | but i thought it might be faster to come and ask |
| 23:40.00 | somiaj | Rubin: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/ganglia-web -- that package looks fairly dead (last upload was 2016). I'm not quite sure what debian monitoring maintainers means, but it could need a new matainer to adopt the package for any fix to actually be made. |
| 23:40.46 | themill | orlock: see "/etc/apache2/conf-available/security.conf". https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/mod/core.html#servertokens |
| 23:41.54 | orlock | themill: If i had access to the shell, i'd just query the package list, but thanks |
| 23:42.18 | orlock | bad "pentesters' don't understand backported security fixes. |
| 23:42.31 | themill | ack |
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| 23:42.53 | somiaj | orlock: are you looking to see that a specific CVE is fixed? |
| 23:42.55 | orlock | but as fa ras i can tell, by default we don't display the specific patch levels |
| 23:43.11 | themill | orlock: the package seems to have "ServerTokens OS" as the default |
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| 23:43.29 | orlock | somiaj: yeah, kind of. I can see it's been updated since that vulnerability was fixed. |
| 23:43.44 | themill | but none of these server tokens include the Debian revision |
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| 23:44.05 | orlock | themill: yeah, i've been checking on the dozens of local systems and they all only report the base apache verdion |
| 23:44.10 | somiaj | orlock: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/ -- you can look up CVE status of debian packages here. |
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| 23:45.33 | orlock | somiaj: Yeah, been looking there. What i'm after right now specifically, is when CVE-2017-9798 was patched for jessie |
| 23:45.42 | orlock | It's completely stupid, i understand |
| 23:45.49 | orlock | but sometimes you have to show people things are stupid |
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| 23:46.48 | orlock | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:49.21 | orlock | So going by the ssh version banner (September 2018 release date), this host has had a package update done since then |
| 23:49.53 | orlock | so likely is not vulnerable to CVE-2017-9798, but it's impossible to tell that just by the apache version. |
| 23:50.13 | orlock | I can make an educated guess however |
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