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| 00:34.26 | p0a | Hello is there a way for me to have a 'fake' terminal |
| 00:34.40 | p0a | or a fake system that looks like my debian but I can dismiss whenever I want? I'm not talking about a virtual machine |
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| 00:41.50 | butteredpopcorn | p0a:what do you mean dismiss |
| 00:46.27 | p0a | butteredpopcorn: I'm just thinking of some jail system like freebsd |
| 00:46.37 | p0a | butteredpopcorn: delete the system |
| 00:47.38 | butteredpopcorn | p0a: you could do a docker container, lxc container, kvm vm, |
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| 00:49.26 | p0a | alright thank you |
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| 01:24.06 | p0a | thank you |
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| 01:39.29 | Old_Dog | arrives on the scene to find ......nothing |
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| 01:50.08 | rabbitear_sdf | *jokes* |
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| 01:54.31 | Old_Dog | could be, I guess. |
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| 02:26.19 | Sinewpy | s |
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| 02:37.07 | p0a | Hello |
| 02:37.17 | p0a | is there a way to install packages only temporarily and then reverse the changes? |
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| 02:38.44 | mason | p0a: If you only explicitly install some packages, "apt autoremove" will zap automatic dependencies once you remove the packages you installed. |
| 02:39.29 | p0a | oh nice |
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| 02:41.40 | p0a | mason: so autoremove just deletes packages that do not have any dependents? |
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| 02:59.03 | SerajewelKS | p0a: autoremove removes all packages that are neither (a) marked as manually installed, nor (b) depended on (directly or indirectly) by something that is marked manually installed |
| 02:59.11 | SerajewelKS | in some cases "depended on" can include "recommended by" |
| 02:59.45 | SerajewelKS | p0a: so basically it uninstalls cruft (most likely libraries) that aren't in use by anything that you've explicitly requested to be installed |
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| 03:01.11 | agio | in the case that the program was installed via a meta package, wouldn't "autoremove" in fact be necessary to remove the guts of the program - and not merely "extras"/libraries etc...? |
| 03:02.47 | p0a | SerajewelKS: thank you |
| 03:02.51 | p0a | agio: I've experienced this so I can say, yes. |
| 03:03.17 | SerajewelKS | agio: yes, it could be |
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| 03:03.29 | SerajewelKS | that's part of the reason i use aptitude |
| 03:03.37 | SerajewelKS | it is pretty aggressive about automatically removing stuff |
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| 03:07.25 | agio | ever run into any problems using aptitude? |
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| 03:13.14 | fling | Is there a config for 4.20 kernel? |
| 03:13.20 | fling | Where can I find it? |
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| 03:14.07 | p0a | 4.20? slow down there futurist |
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| 03:20.00 | agio | is there even a mainline 4.20 kernel ? |
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| 03:21.06 | agio | ah, yes, it came out end of last year - it seems |
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| 03:24.31 | Petit_Dejeuner | Hi, I'm tring to set up an Asus VivoBook E203MA with Debian. I've been using the InstallingDebian/On/Asus/E200HA guide. I'm struggling to get the wifi up and running. I've added non-free repos to apt, installed firmware-iwlwifi and firmware-atheros, run modprobe -r iwlwifi, and restarted. `rfkill list all` does not show anything. `ip a` shows loopback and my ethernet, but no wlan0, `lspci -nn -v` has this section fo |
| 03:24.31 | Petit_Dejeuner | r the Network Controller, it says disabled, http://paste.debian.net/1072429 Is there anything else I can try? |
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| 03:27.01 | agio | what is the output of `journalctl -k | grep -i firmware |
| 03:27.03 | agio | ? |
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| 03:28.06 | Petit_Dejeuner | agio: No output. |
| 03:28.49 | agio | are your sure you ran it right? try this: sudo journalctl -k | grep -i -C 3 firmware |
| 03:29.13 | agio | my guess is you'll have firmware error |
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| 03:35.25 | Petit_Dejeuner | agio: It really does give nothing, http://paste.debian.net/1072432 |
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| 03:56.49 | Petit_Dejeuner | brb |
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| 04:10.47 | jetscreamer | stock stable install, where is the 'suspend/resume' device defined? aka the swap the hibernation/suspend stuff gets written to |
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| 04:16.40 | jetscreamer | i take it this is my answer: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/09/msg00866.html |
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| 04:18.24 | jetscreamer | ./etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume |
| 04:20.25 | jetscreamer | time to test |
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| 04:24.12 | jetscreamer | yay team. you guys are awesome. thanks. |
| 04:26.05 | jetscreamer | !listkeys suspend |
| 04:26.06 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'suspend' by key (12): _default suspend ;; _default suspend2 ;; suspend ;; suspend2 ;; 7.8 suspend ;; #debian suspend2 ;; disable lid suspend ;; _default software suspend ;; suspend troubleshooting ;; software suspend #del# ;; suspend #DEL# ;; #debian suspend. |
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| 05:01.43 | Petit_Dejeuner | Okay, so the kernel module seems to be there, http://paste.debian.net/1072434 . But it doesn't seem to be used by anything. And there's nothing in dmesg or journalctl about it failing. |
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| 05:47.48 | rant | idk why the specs of ASUS laptops are some kinda f'n secret |
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| 05:48.25 | rant | this is the 2nd time this month I tried to lookup specs on an ASUS and it just says, well, it has a screen.. some wifi.. y'know.. parts n'stuff |
| 05:48.59 | rant | that's not specs.. the root word of specifications is "specific" |
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| 05:51.28 | rant | apparently their users are just as bad, cause all there is in any of those pastes is snippets that make me want the time I wasted reading them back :P |
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| 05:53.22 | rant | there isn't even third party specs for these damn things, much less from the mfg |
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| 05:54.57 | rant | you may as well post some links to cat videos if you're gonna just post a bunch of stuff that has nothing to do with the issue :P |
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| 05:57.43 | Syndrom | rant: you said something about cat videos, where is the link? |
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| 05:59.02 | rant | Petit_Dejeuner: run as root (uname -r;lsusb;lspci -nn;journalctl -k)|nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 05:59.41 | rant | Syndrom: I'm just sayin.. this user wants help with wifi and posted at least 3 links all containing stuff that's NOT indicating where the problem lies |
| 05:59.55 | rant | if we're gonna do that, we might as well be posting something cute and funny |
| 06:00.12 | rant | there are plenty of funnier things that have nothing to do with the issue |
| 06:00.22 | Syndrom | yes, at work we have a channel called "best cases - please advise" |
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| 06:01.45 | __m4ch1n3__ | http://random.cat |
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| 06:02.01 | __m4ch1n3__ | it has an api :3 |
| 06:02.11 | __m4ch1n3__ | http://aws.random.cat/meow |
| 06:04.34 | Syndrom | thank you __m4ch1n3__ |
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| 06:04.38 | Syndrom | that will keep us busy |
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| 06:30.16 | GnuLinuxCat | Hello. I was just reading the libreboot's guide on how to install debian on libreboot systems here: https://libreboot.org/docs/gnulinux/encrypted_debian.html |
| 06:30.16 | GnuLinuxCat | In the guide it says, "Donât forget to have grub-coreboot package installed, even though installing grub to MBR is irrelevant on libreboot system, grub tools are still needed to eg. generate config (grub-mkconfig)" |
| 06:30.17 | GnuLinuxCat | How do you ensure that the grub-coreboot package is installed, when you're installing debian graphically? |
| 06:30.17 | GnuLinuxCat | I'm installing debian to a computer with libreboot and I'd like to ensure that I can boot a new installation of Debian 9.8. |
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| 06:40.04 | jelly | GnuLinuxCat: either install it from a livecd, or switch to console (Alt-F2? Alt-F3?) in the installer when it's close to finished and install from there |
| 06:42.31 | GnuLinuxCat | so when it's close to finish installing you can switch to console (Alt+f-something?) and install it like by "#apt-get install grub-coreboot"? :D alright thank you jelly |
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| 06:46.13 | jelly | first you'd have to chroot into the /target directory where the new installation is mounted, of if you're already on the "installation is finished" screen mount it and chroot |
| 06:46.30 | jelly | similar to what you'd have to do from a livecd |
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| 06:48.41 | GnuLinuxCat | so first you install the system, then from a live cd chroot into the /target directory where the new installation is mounted, and then do "#apt-get install grub-coreboot" |
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| 07:00.59 | GnuLinuxCat | um I got disconnected and the last message I saw was the one I sent. Hope I didn't miss anything. :) |
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| 07:01.44 | GnuLinuxCat | sent about 12 mins ago |
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| 07:02.21 | agio | dont worry, you didn't miss anything |
| 07:02.46 | GnuLinuxCat | :) ty agio |
| 07:02.47 | rant | you missed me watching a really dumb YT video |
| 07:02.51 | GnuLinuxCat | lol |
| 07:03.02 | GnuLinuxCat | was it about cats? |
| 07:03.12 | rant | no, it was about people claiming to be time travellers |
| 07:03.18 | GnuLinuxCat | xD |
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| 07:06.12 | GnuLinuxCat | well thank you for your advice on chrooting jelly. :) |
| 07:07.11 | rant | I was going to try a patch for caja.. but then the apt build-dep caja said it couldnt find a source package for caja.. and I wound up watching stupid stuff on YT |
| 07:07.34 | rant | kinda odd it can't find a source package for it considering apt source caja downloads it :P |
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| 07:10.04 | jelly | judd: src caja |
| 07:10.05 | judd | Package caja in stretch -- source: caja |
| 07:10.19 | jelly | you're probably missing deb-src lines, rant |
| 07:10.29 | rant | no-- doh |
| 07:10.55 | rant | I modified my sources list and prob didnt update after.. I had a sid src line in there and changed it to stretch |
| 07:11.24 | rant | which really I'm sleepy and idk what I wanna do exactly.. I wanna test this patch but I have caja from backports so.. |
| 07:12.41 | rant | Its a rather small single file patch to address an issue with multiple monitors thats been sitting on the pull requests for like 5 years now :D |
| 07:12.45 | rant | https://github.com/mate-desktop/caja/pull/301/files |
| 07:14.14 | rant | I'd experimented with the idea of hooking my fathers tv to his computer so he could stream videos from the media server but want to do it in a way it doesnt change how he uses his machine.. and one thing it does is move all his icons over to the other monitor thats playing video.. which makes him unable to see them and he has a ton of stuff on his desktop he uses |
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| 07:16.31 | rant | would also like to do a similar hack on the workspace switcher applet.. it always annoyed me the workspaces show up relative to the total desktop size.. which is annoying in multihead.. if you had 3 at say 21:9 monitors, the workspace switcher would be like a whole panel by itself.. |
| 07:17.44 | rant | workspace switchers should just be that.. workspace switchers.. not miniture desktop thumbnail visualization applets |
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| 07:19.41 | rant | basically I need to back burner this until after I had some sleep cause I'm not thinking clearly enough to know what I'm doing.. cause chances are I didn't need to change my sources.. the source from sid was probably what I wanted with the build-deps from stable.. effectively doing an SSB kinda deal.. since I'm on MATE 1.20 from backports not 1.16 from stable |
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| 07:29.27 | mondo_generator1 | hello. i'm trying to get rid of the "failed to connect to lvmetad falling back to device scanning" message i've been getting on bootup for years. |
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| 07:32.41 | rant | are you using lvm or a cryptroot? |
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| 07:45.37 | mondo_generator1 | rant, lvm yes |
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| 07:51.03 | mrig | Hello, I am running debian 9 stretch, and would like to run the more recent version of mesa for some openGL programming. I have a list of the packages in the stretch-backport and would like to ask if anyone can inform we which to install to do this? |
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| 07:55.41 | p0a | Hello is my `apt' history stored somewhere? |
| 07:55.51 | p0a | for example is there a way to see which packages the user has installed (and in what order?) |
| 07:56.10 | rant | p0a: yes in /var/log/apt/history.log and you may want actually dpkg history /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 07:56.32 | p0a | rant: what's the difference? |
| 07:56.34 | rant | apt history is only history of apt ant what it does.. but dpkg is what actually installs things no matter which frontend you use |
| 07:56.34 | apt | ...but history is already something else... |
| 07:56.55 | rant | i.e. will show things installed with aptitude, synaptic, gdebi, etc.. |
| 07:57.27 | p0a | rant: how do I know which user did what? |
| 07:57.29 | rant | p0a: these logs are also more than likely rotated so there may be other files like /var/log/dpkg.log.1.gz or such |
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| 07:57.43 | rant | p0a: only one user can do anything with these tools, root |
| 07:58.18 | rant | p0a: if you granted the users access to this stuff, you can possibly cross-ref /var/log/auth.log |
| 07:58.18 | p0a | thank you |
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| 07:58.41 | rant | which would show when the users are escalating privs to use root |
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| 07:59.38 | jcb2016 | so a friend is coming tomorrow to my house with 2 desktop computers that he is going to give me. they are intel pentiums. will debian run on them or is this an offtopic subject? |
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| 07:59.55 | p0a | yeah debian will run |
| 08:00.04 | rant | mondo_generator1: if you have some essential filesystem like / or swap on lvm these warnings are being displayed because the lvmetad daemon is not running yet.. this is normal.. if you have another issue, that has to be addressed seperately |
| 08:00.09 | jcb2016 | cool. i gotta find out what it is actually |
| 08:00.12 | p0a | that's a good friend |
| 08:00.32 | jcb2016 | p0a: he said they aren't the latest. i was like bring it anyway i can get it to run smooth |
| 08:01.34 | b17wise | jcb2016: Replying from Intel pentium :) |
| 08:02.03 | p0a | jcb2016: time for a cluster? |
| 08:02.13 | rant | jcb2016: well pentium would likely be i386, some P4 support amd64, but either way they will likely run.. |
| 08:02.20 | jcb2016 | i told him i can make one of them a server |
| 08:03.16 | mondo_generator1 | rant, i'm not having any other issues. i've looked around the web and most of the advice i see is to just ignore it. do you know when i'll stop seeing this? |
| 08:03.21 | b17wise | rant: This onve is amd64.. G2030 model.. besides i3 hyperthreading, not much performence difference.. tons of RAMs slaps btw.. running Xfce4.. and it's great |
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| 08:03.35 | p0a | jcb2016: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianBeowulf |
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| 08:06.22 | jcb2016 | p0a: thanks for the reading. looks good |
| 08:07.09 | rant | there are P4s that are 775 socket which is same socket as the Core2 architecture.. they are HT and amd64 compatible iirc |
| 08:09.31 | rant | the last desktop I built years ago was a 775 P4 |
| 08:09.38 | rant | was dirt cheap hardware to buy new |
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| 08:10.54 | jcb2016 | p0a: we really don't have a ethernet cord avaiable so im gonna have to buy a wirelss dongle to get wifi |
| 08:10.59 | b17wise | pentiums are fum.. specially P4s |
| 08:11.05 | b17wise | fun* |
| 08:11.30 | agio | 32 bit ? |
| 08:11.41 | b17wise | agio: amd64 |
| 08:11.59 | rant | ew.. using wifi on a desktop was always a dumb idea to me |
| 08:12.09 | b17wise | https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/74749/intel-pentium-processor-g2030-3m-cache-3-00-ghz.html |
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| 08:12.21 | b17wise | rant: I actually did that xD |
| 08:12.42 | rant | wifi should be avoided whenever possible, and when the computer is a desktop, its usually possible and practical |
| 08:13.13 | b17wise | rant: Yeah.. but sometimes you get free wiki and can't resist that xD |
| 08:13.22 | b17wise | However horrible idea for sure |
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| 08:13.55 | jcb2016 | anyone have recommendations for wireless dongles? i keep hearing about netgear |
| 08:14.25 | b17wise | jcb2016: I bought one.. unstable as f.. I would recommend ethernet |
| 08:14.35 | rant | when I was at school they wanted me to install pci wifi cards in all the machines.. had two computer labs side by side each with desktops around 3 sides of the room.. probably 100 machines in close proximity.. I told them it was a bad idea.. but they insisted.. then they came to me after it was done and asked why the connection dropped every 3 seconds.. |
| 08:14.55 | rant | I said well, you got 100 antennas all using the same frequency in a small area.. |
| 08:15.42 | jcb2016 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:15.44 | b17wise | rant: Ahahaha.. that was hilarious |
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| 08:16.13 | b17wise | jcb2016: You will worth it.. I use tethering on laptops |
| 08:16.24 | p0a | superposition am I right? |
| 08:16.34 | b17wise | urndis module works nicely |
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| 08:18.00 | jcb2016 | b17wise: what do you do when tethering is not avaiable? |
| 08:18.59 | rant | this reminds me I was gonna write up a wiki entry on what I'd discovered was a rather easy way to do connection sharing on stretch |
| 08:19.20 | b17wise | jcb2016: Maybe will inhect a wifi adaptor, nor will not access internet at all.. |
| 08:19.27 | b17wise | inject* |
| 08:19.33 | rant | but if I don't procrastinate now, I'll never get around to it.. |
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| 08:20.39 | b17wise | jcb2016: But mind it, a desktop use case and server use cases are not same.. you don't want server connections getting dropped in each 2sec delay with WPA handshakes |
| 08:20.53 | b17wise | case* |
| 08:21.12 | jcb2016 | b17wise: makes sense. if i turn one of them into a server im gonna need ethernet |
| 08:21.38 | b17wise | b17wise: If you want to sleep at night peacefully, go rthernet |
| 08:21.42 | b17wise | ethernet* |
| 08:22.30 | jcb2016 | b17wise: you just answered yourself |
| 08:22.52 | b17wise | b17wise: I am a desktop guy xD |
| 08:23.15 | b17wise | b17wise: But I have maintained few servers back in days :D |
| 08:23.22 | jcb2016 | b17wise: im not i love being mobile. but hey if im getting to free desktops might as well get used to it until i get my laptop |
| 08:23.55 | b17wise | jcb2016: Exactly |
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| 08:28.59 | no_gravity | Is there a way to analyze why an ssh connection is sluggish? It feels stuttery to type in it. |
| 08:30.11 | p0a | no_gravity: was it always like that? |
| 08:30.21 | no_gravity | p0a: I'm not sure. |
| 08:30.43 | blackflow | no_gravity: start with something like mtr or mtr-tiny for no gui. I find in almost 100% of cases that to be due to packet loss or increased latency at one of the hops |
| 08:31.08 | jcb2016 | this channel is alive today at 12:30pm PST is it beucase its friday? |
| 08:31.34 | blackflow | it's 9:30 here |
| 08:31.35 | no_gravity | blackflow: Both machines can mtr the wifi router without packet loss. |
| 08:31.52 | blackflow | is that the machine you're ssh ing to? |
| 08:32.20 | no_gravity | blackflow: Both. The machine I am sshing from and the machine I am sshing too. Both can mtr the router without loss. |
| 08:32.41 | blackflow | what about latency? as expected? |
| 08:33.13 | no_gravity | blackflow: How do I measure? |
| 08:33.20 | blackflow | with mtr |
| 08:33.38 | blackflow | that's the time component |
| 08:34.01 | no_gravity | blackflow: "mtr -i 0.5 othermachine" gives me this: |
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| 08:34.31 | blackflow | a pastebin url hopefully :) |
| 08:34.32 | no_gravity | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.33 | no_gravity | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.44 | no_gravity | blackflow: It' just 2 lines. |
| 08:34.54 | agio | no_gravity: you can try traceroute too |
| 08:35.12 | blackflow | mtr IS traceroute. tr in mtr is traceroute |
| 08:35.25 | b17wise | Can anyone verify if this is DFSG compatible? https://github.com/VSCodium/vscodium |
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| 08:36.40 | no_gravity | blackflow: More pings: |
| 08:36.43 | no_gravity | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:36.45 | no_gravity | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:36.51 | no_gravity | Looks good I would say. |
| 08:37.10 | blackflow | no_gravity: those numbers per se wouldn't explain any sluggishness. in my experince that becomes noticable with packet loss or latency > 100 msec |
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| 08:37.58 | blackflow | no_gravity: there's also netperf you could try. with mtr that's only simple icmp request-response. with netperf you can observe whole stage of the tcp especially after the handshake |
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| 08:38.39 | no_gravity | Looks like the stuttering comes and goes. Right now it is fluid. |
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| 08:39.23 | blackflow | no_gravity: well, two words: router and wifi |
| 08:40.07 | blackflow | is it one of those commerical wifi router thingies? with cpus that are barely sufficient for shoveling packets around and not much else? that take almost a minute to show their web gui? |
| 08:40.20 | blackflow | (a figurative minute, you get the point) |
| 08:40.22 | no_gravity | I don't think so. |
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| 08:42.36 | no_gravity | Sometimes the connection totally freezes. |
| 08:42.37 | no_gravity | Right now for example :) |
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| 08:43.02 | no_gravity | I can open a new one though. |
| 08:43.10 | no_gravity | The old one is still frozen and the new one works. |
| 08:43.54 | no_gravity | Now the old connection came back too. |
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| 08:44.47 | blackflow | ran mtr when it froze? |
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| 08:44.59 | blackflow | run it for a longer while to cover periods when your ssh con is freezing |
| 08:45.22 | blackflow | also really try netperf, icmp responses are indicative but do not cover whole range of possibilities |
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| 08:46.03 | no_gravity | ok |
| 08:46.57 | no_gravity | Connection is sluggish again. While mtr is fine. |
| 08:47.44 | no_gravity | Ah! Now from *one* machine to the *other* I get 30% package loss. |
| 08:48.13 | no_gravity | While from the *other* machine back, the mtr is perfect. |
| 08:48.16 | no_gravity | How can that be? |
| 08:48.47 | blackflow | because mtr is simple icmp responses |
| 08:48.53 | no_gravity | Now 50% package loss one way, but 0% package loss the other way. |
| 08:49.10 | no_gravity | How can packages can get lost flowing from A to B but not from B to A? |
| 08:49.17 | blackflow | ssh sluggishness is part of full tcp which includes acks and repeats upon missing acks |
| 08:49.41 | no_gravity | blackflow: But mtr *does* get package loss. |
| 08:49.43 | blackflow | so IDEALLY use netperf for full tcp measure |
| 08:49.52 | no_gravity | But only from A to B. Not from B to A. |
| 08:49.58 | blackflow | YES. |
| 08:50.07 | blackflow | you can get packet loss in one way but not the other |
| 08:50.12 | no_gravity | How so? |
| 08:50.28 | blackflow | A is sending packets to B. it has no problem sending but it WOULD have problems responding if B was sending back to A. |
| 08:50.48 | no_gravity | That is the problem, yes. But how can that happen? |
| 08:51.12 | blackflow | you mean why, not how? |
| 08:51.39 | no_gravity | I installed netperf. |
| 08:51.43 | no_gravity | What do I do with it? |
| 08:51.45 | blackflow | I don't know why. you'd have to investigate what's going on on the machine that's dropping packets. and for the last time, try netperf for FULL tcp measurement. mtrs is JUST simple icmsp |
| 08:51.49 | blackflow | icmp |
| 08:52.06 | blackflow | you ask google how to use netperf. you need it on both ends. |
| 08:52.23 | no_gravity | One machine gives me this: |
| 08:52.26 | no_gravity | bytes bytes bytes secs. 10^6bits/sec |
| 08:52.30 | no_gravity | 87380 16384 16384 10.00 19231.33 |
| 08:52.39 | no_gravity | What does it tell me? |
| 08:53.38 | blackflow | it tells ME that you did not look at the manpage and obseve the -j flag for example |
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| 08:55.35 | no_gravity | Test |
| 08:57.46 | blackflow | no_gravity: also, try with both -j and -t TCP_RR that's the request-response, ping-like test which would be great to observe latency peaks. use longer test frames, not just 10 seconds. ideally it should cover the period where you observe ssh sluggishness |
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| 08:59.11 | no_gravity | Ok. I will try it. |
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| 08:59.35 | no_gravity | It seems one machin talks to the router on 2.4Ghz and the other on 5Ghz. |
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| 08:59.42 | no_gravity | Maybe that is the reason for the difference. |
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| 09:02.07 | blackflow | no_gravity: there's one more thing to consider. traffic shaping. different ports getting different priorities and latency control. maximized throughput versus limited interactivity. things like that. |
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| 09:02.51 | no_gravity | My working theory is that the 2Ghz channel gets disturbed by neighboars. |
| 09:02.53 | blackflow | with that in effect it'd be a lot harder to example ssh-like traffic which is short bursts of packets that immediately expect a response |
| 09:03.38 | blackflow | and such disturbance would be observed in a longer netperf run, with nonzero packet loss and increased latency |
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| 09:45.04 | Guifle | hello, I am having this horrible connection problem every time. browser and email client have no internet connection. whereas irc has. it takes often more than ten network restarts to connect the browser or email. |
| 09:47.35 | EdePopede | from apt-cache > rdepends pkg... rdepends shows a listing of each reverse dependency a package has. |
| 09:47.35 | EdePopede | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:47.52 | EdePopede | now i know why i never get the desired results.... |
| 09:49.28 | agio | what were you wanting a list of dependencies or reverse dependencies? |
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| 09:52.28 | EdePopede | well that's the point, right? you never know what "rdepends" gives you |
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| 09:53.02 | EdePopede | firefox. horrible save window. why? gtk3, what else. |
| 09:53.18 | EdePopede | i'm not aware of anything else depending on gtk3 here |
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| 09:59.48 | EdePopede | wth. installed atomix yesterday, just a tiny click game i know for maybe 20 years. and it is built on gtk3? oO |
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| 10:02.15 | EdePopede | it even could be implemented in ncurses, there's not even a dialog in that whole thing, just a playgrid, keyboard shortcuts and a menu. |
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| 10:15.01 | EdePopede | is it possible to blacklist packages so they aren't installed even as far dependencies? |
| 10:16.16 | n4dir | EdePopede: i think that would be pinning, but i am not into it. Should be straight forward though |
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| 10:16.45 | yutayu | hi , how to use this ? |
| 10:17.09 | yutayu | xul-ext-ublock-origin |
| 10:17.12 | yutayu | in firefox |
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| 10:23.27 | EdePopede | yutayu: you may want #firefox |
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| 10:24.36 | dutchfish | yutayu, there is also some doc here https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock#documentation |
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| 10:27.18 | yutayu | ddddddddddddddddddddddd |
| 10:27.27 | yutayu | dutchfish:Thank you. |
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| 10:27.47 | yutayu | dutchfish:It seems just blocking ads already. |
| 10:27.50 | yutayu | Thanks. |
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| 10:28.25 | dutchfish | yutayu, yes, in its default state it blocks the most graving stuff already. |
| 10:28.43 | dutchfish | yutayu, you can manually add exceptions or extensions |
| 10:28.56 | narutowaifu | can somebody explain to me why, when I copy large files (multi-GB) to a USB external pendrive, my PC slow slows down to a crawl? It becomes unusable, much like in the same way when it's swapping a lot of stuff |
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| 10:29.31 | dutchfish | yutayu, it is however NOT an addblocker, more like a tracking/malware blocker. |
| 10:30.26 | yutayu | I see. dutchfish :) |
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| 10:33.32 | yutayu | more smooth than addon ty dutchfish |
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| 10:33.42 | dutchfish | yutayu, yw |
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| 10:38.53 | Cybertinus | hi, I've got the following config in my /etc/network/interface on a Debian 9.8 virtual machine: https://paste.cybertinus.nl/p/qfAPiflutv |
| 10:39.19 | Cybertinus | everything works, but sshd just refuses to start (both during boot and during a systemctl restart networking). Why would that be? |
| 10:40.05 | Cybertinus | in /var/log/{syslog,daemon.log} I don't see it even try to start sshd in the seperate ip namespace |
| 10:41.28 | Cybertinus | enp0s3 lives in the namespace 'internet' and dhclient does start and gets an IP address on it and sets the default gateway in this seperate namespace. So just the last line isn't executed, for some reason |
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| 10:48.05 | dutchfish | Cybertinus, normally on Debian stable, sshd is enabled by systemd, something like systemctl enable sshd.service. What does journalctl -x tells you? at the bottom? |
| 10:49.10 | Cybertinus | dutchfish: yeah, and this still needs to be done. But that starts sshd in the default IP namespace. I want a second sshd running on this machine, but then running in the second IP namespace I've created, called 'internet' |
| 10:49.22 | dutchfish | Cybertinus, it might also be neccesary to config this service when you are on a multihomed system and want it to bind to one interface. |
| 10:49.59 | dutchfish | Cybertinus, why do you need a second instance of that service? |
| 10:50.17 | Cybertinus | dutchfish: so I have SSH running in both IP namespaces :) |
| 10:50.33 | dutchfish | Cybertinus, sshd can already do that with one instance. |
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| 10:50.54 | dutchfish | Cybertinus, reading the docs, maybe? |
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| 10:51.10 | Cybertinus | dutchfish: hmm, ok.... didn't know that |
| 10:51.27 | dutchfish | Cybertinus, good luck. |
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| 10:52.07 | Cybertinus | I've searched for the words 'Name', 'name', 'Space' and 'space' in the /etc/ssh/sshd_config file and that found absolutely nothing |
| 10:52.30 | Cybertinus | but I will use my google-fu to find out how I can tell sshd to run in multiple ip namespaces |
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| 10:54.10 | dutchfish | Cybertinus, hint: it is ListenAddress x.x.x.x. you can do that multiple times. |
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| 10:54.34 | dutchfish | Cybertinus, or even bind separate IPv6 on multiple adapters. |
| 10:55.14 | dutchfish | Cybertinus, netstat is your friend. |
| 10:56.53 | dutchfish | Cybertinus, be aware that the order of things on bringing them up must be correct when you use it in a virtual bridge config. |
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| 10:58.12 | dutchfish | Cybertinus, also take a peak at the systemd guideines. |
| 10:58.20 | dutchfish | guidelines* |
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| 11:04.57 | Cybertinus | if I add 2 ListenAddress directives to my /etc/ssh/sshd_config, the first IP for the internet namespace, the second one for the default namespace, then sshd is only listening in the default namespace |
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| 11:08.57 | dutchfish | Cybertinus, wild gues, that lan adapter was not up, think of order of things, read the systemd manual. |
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| 11:09.25 | dutchfish | Cybertinus, also hournalctl -x |
| 11:09.33 | dutchfish | jounalctl* |
| 11:09.44 | dutchfish | sorry for my typos |
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| 11:16.58 | n_1-c_k | narutowaifu: try ionice. |
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| 11:17.51 | dutchfish | blackflow, well, what can i say, assumption is the mother of .......... |
| 11:18.16 | dutchfish | oops, wrong channel |
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| 11:19.53 | diogenes_ | dutchfish, the mother of what? |
| 11:20.27 | dutchfish | diogenes_, sorry, for the xpost. |
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| 11:22.03 | dutchfish | diogenes_, could be, all messup, all bugs. |
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| 11:23.00 | diogenes_ | i see ) |
| 11:23.49 | Cybertinus | dutchfish: I fixed it the dirty way, but for this testenvironment it is acceptable |
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| 11:24.07 | dutchfish | Cybertinus, ah, good to hear. |
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| 11:24.28 | Cybertinus | I've created an systemd service that just mimicks the old /etc/rc.local file and I just start my second ssh deamon in the /etc/rc.local file |
| 11:25.04 | dutchfish | Cybertinus, ah ok. You could even bend systemd to this too. Ok. |
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| 11:25.21 | Cybertinus | now I can continue testing on this environment and fix the actual issue for which I build this test environment ;) |
| 11:25.27 | dutchfish | :) |
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| 11:27.23 | Cybertinus | I just have to copy over this hack to the 7 other Debian VMs that also exist for this test, but that's doable :) |
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| 13:03.59 | zalt_ | hello, i'm trying to locate a core dump |
| 13:04.27 | zalt_ | i don't know if core dumps are even saved on my machine :) |
| 13:04.40 | toruvinn | do you even have one? |
| 13:04.41 | toruvinn | ulimit -c |
| 13:04.59 | zalt_ | a machine?, yes |
| 13:05.07 | toruvinn | if it's 0, which it probably is, then i dont think you're getting coredumps. set it to something higher and then launch your crashing app in that shell |
| 13:05.10 | toruvinn | hehe |
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| 13:05.27 | zalt_ | hmm, yes it is zero :( |
| 13:05.47 | zalt_ | lost his chance at catching a heisenbug |
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| 13:11.24 | zalt_ | toruvinn, hello, i'm trying to locate a core dump |
| 13:12.31 | zalt_ | toruvinn, i do have it this time, http://paste.debian.net/1072465/ |
| 13:13.06 | zalt_ | i tried "cat /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern" (i don't know if that's even relevant) it says 'core' |
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| 13:20.27 | zalt_ | found something called 'core' |
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| 13:58.28 | Bjornn | Can someone show me the syntax to search and find which packages are on hold? This seems to be a hard one to find with a search engine. |
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| 14:01.21 | izh_ | something like dpkg -la | grep ^hi |
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| 14:03.53 | Bjornn | thanks so much. That did give me the results I was looking for. |
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| 14:13.50 | rocketmagnet | hello everyone, i come from ##hardware because i get strange lags with my brand new hd (solid state) and it seems not be the hardware |
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| 14:21.16 | Bjornn | how do you think it relates to debian? |
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| 14:22.14 | rocketmagnet | the guys from ##hardware told me it's not the hardware, the graphic card is also not the problem because the system is reacting normaly (i can switch windows and stuff), only the access to the hd lags |
| 14:22.22 | rocketmagnet | what else could it be ? |
| 14:23.09 | ksk | rocketmagnet: could you elaborate on how the ssd lags? |
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| 14:23.44 | rocketmagnet | when i try to access files with auto-completition he stucks |
| 14:23.56 | rocketmagnet | then i've to wait a bit and then it goes on normaly |
| 14:24.59 | rocketmagnet | i've 16gb ram a realy good graphic card and motherboard, this shouldn't be lagging |
| 14:25.13 | ksk | (how) did you proof this is related to disk-IO? Is "auto completion" is slow your sole issue? |
| 14:25.35 | Voldenet | I'd see the dmesg |
| 14:25.53 | rocketmagnet | that's where i see it, i don't know if the hd lags otherwise |
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| 14:26.06 | rocketmagnet | or if |
| 14:26.25 | rocketmagnet | and it's not a short lag |
| 14:26.31 | ksk | not sure if that is hdd related. If completion would be slow like that, other things (desktop) would run horrible I imagine |
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| 14:26.51 | ksk | checking dmesg never harms.. |
| 14:26.52 | rocketmagnet | all runs smoothly |
| 14:26.59 | ksk | is an "ls" also slow? |
| 14:27.06 | Voldenet | or `find /` |
| 14:27.35 | ksk | depending on the intallation "find /" can be slow ;) |
| 14:27.38 | rocketmagnet | https://paste.debian.net/1072474/ |
| 14:28.24 | Voldenet | If you've got other sata cable, try replacing it |
| 14:29.22 | Voldenet | you could change the power management policy |
| 14:29.38 | ksk | mhm not sure how to interpret that dmesg, apart from "not looking too well" |
| 14:29.57 | ksk | ruling out broken cables and/or sata-ports is likely a good idea. |
| 14:30.30 | Voldenet | > for foo in /sys/class/scsi_host/host*/link_power_management_policy; do echo max_performance > $foo; done |
| 14:30.36 | Voldenet | (taken from https://wiki.debian.org/SimplePowerSave) |
| 14:30.54 | ksk | still, if anything but "auto completion" (globbing?) is slow, it suspect software issues. |
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| 14:31.52 | ksk | did you try copying stuff around to see if that is as fast as you would expect? did you run an access-time test( not sure how to do that) |
| 14:31.54 | rocketmagnet | have you seen the pastebin i posted ? |
| 14:32.09 | ksk | we have both reacted to it ;) |
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| 14:35.08 | rocketmagnet | the line > for foo in .... what should that do ? |
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| 14:35.27 | rocketmagnet | it does nothing here |
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| 14:37.15 | rocketmagnet | i try another cable |
| 14:37.18 | rocketmagnet | bbl |
| 14:37.20 | rocketmagnet | ty |
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| 14:38.22 | Voldenet | I can't believe that some people run commands from strangers without knowing what they do... |
| 14:39.14 | ksk | yeah agreed. granted, if you just stumbled over linux you do not understand any of these things, so.. |
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| 14:50.09 | lavenders | how do i run an android app on debian, is there a popular emulator? |
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| 14:55.42 | rocketmagnet | hi again, i switched the cables and now the dmesg that was marked in red has dissapeared |
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| 14:55.58 | rocketmagnet | i hope it keeps that way |
| 14:56.11 | rocketmagnet | thanks for you help |
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| 15:24.22 | _m4ch1n3_ | Hey something in my Xsession (lightdm, openbox, no dbus) keeps periodical re-enabling mouse acceleration when disabled it with "xset m 0 0" |
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| 15:26.59 | _m4ch1n3_ | is there a way to force that its not going to be enabled again? |
| 15:27.33 | _m4ch1n3_ | xinit env veriable or somthing like that |
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| 15:34.22 | Voldenet | _m4ch1n3_: I've never had this problem, but this may be relevant: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mouse_acceleration#Disabling_mouse_acceleration |
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| 16:18.56 | Petit_Dejeuner | rant: http://paste.debian.net/1072484 Sorry, I'm fortunate enough to have this stuff usually work out of the box, and yes the hardware specifications are vague and frustrating. Here's your cat video. :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDuLeXx2Gv0 |
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| 16:42.18 | rant | Petit_Dejeuner: well I only read the first couple lines so far and saw the bluetooth controller on the usb bus and that you are using the stretch kernel and I suspect you're using one of these newer Intel wifi cards that I troubleshooted recently on here.. |
| 16:42.46 | rant | Petit_Dejeuner: I recommended getting the firmware file from intel directly and using the backports kernel in that case.. /me reads further |
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| 16:47.17 | rant | Petit_Dejeuner: this one is apparently the wifi 00:0c.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:31dc] (rev 03) as when I do modinfo iwlwifi | grep -i 31dc it shows two aliases |
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| 16:49.26 | rant | Petit_Dejeuner: try first enabling backports and apt -t stretch-backports linux-image-amd64 firmware-iwlwifi and reboot, if that doesn't work you can try getting new firmware directly from intel |
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| 16:52.00 | rant | Petit_Dejeuner: the name of that card seems to be Intel Killer Wireless-AC 1550i Adapter (9560NGW) or Intel Wireless-AC 9560 with the PCI prod ID 31DC and its odd, that the stretch kernel doesnt seem to see it AT ALL but maybe the backport kernel will |
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| 16:52.44 | rant | Petit_Dejeuner: also check the BIOS and machine for any setting or hw switch that has disabled the card.. chances are its not BIOS disabled since its in lspci.. but who knows |
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| 17:02.20 | Petit_Dejeuner | thx, brb |
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| 17:05.39 | rant | _m4ch1n3_: if you were actually using xinit, there is ~/.xinitrc but in lightdm its config in /etc/lightdm/ has many hooks for scripts to run at various times where you could just put an xset command |
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| 17:40.48 | DonK_KijotE | Hi |
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| 17:56.22 | rant | DonK_KijotE: not yet, but we're working on it |
| 17:56.55 | DonK_KijotE | rant on that rocket thing you told me??? |
| 17:58.34 | rant | DonK_KijotE: no, it was a stupid pun "Hi" "high" |
| 17:58.45 | DonK_KijotE | oooohhhhhhh |
| 17:58.51 | DonK_KijotE | sorry, my bad man |
| 17:59.08 | DonK_KijotE | I'm already there, maybe that's why I didn't get it hehehe |
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| 18:52.01 | fling | How to debug firefox-esr leaking ram? |
| 18:52.40 | fling | Killed process 6138 (Web Content) total-vm:56141940kB, anon-rss:53937856kB, file-rss:0kB, shmem-rss:5816kB |
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| 18:55.08 | BenLue | Anyone familiar with Debian PXE Boot? I try to test di-netboot-assistant. I get tftp timeout in PXE! |
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| 18:56.46 | LikWidChz | I have a really dumb question... I have a bunch of random sized laptop drives and harddrives, is there a file system that can joinify all of them with some level of redundancy? I guess is that just ZFS off bsd? or are there others. |
| 18:58.41 | fling | LikWidChz: btrfs, tahoe-lafs, ceph,⦠|
| 19:03.08 | LikWidChz | Thanks, ill give those a google. |
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| 19:10.42 | rant | BenLue: I've PXE booted debian a lot, but I don't have any idea what di-netboot-assistant is or what your issues are.. PXE requires a dhcp server that points to the tftp server |
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| 19:16.03 | BenLue | rant thats managed my images |
| 19:16.47 | BenLue | i dount understand how can i config multi os |
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| 19:28.54 | rant | need to readup on pxelinux.0 and boot menus |
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| 19:29.26 | rant | I used to have a netgear router that had a usb port, and I had a thumbdrive in there with debian installs, installers, etc, and a menu |
| 19:29.37 | rant | been a long time since I done this though.. 6 years or more |
| 19:30.36 | rant | BenLue: https://wiki.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Menu syslinux.org is the goto wiki for this kinda thing |
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| 19:38.29 | maxzor | Hello, do you know why the eclipse of eclipse from apt is this old? |
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| 19:40.24 | blackflow | !sns |
| 19:40.25 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 19:59.11 | friendofafriend | What package provides /usr/lib/linux-tools/ ? |
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| 20:01.55 | cheapie | friendofafriend: None that I can find. Does "dpkg -S /usr/lib/linux-tools" find anything on your system? |
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| 20:02.11 | cheapie | (can also try apt-file if it's not installed) |
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| 20:04.31 | EdePopede | it is transitional https://packages.debian.org/stable/linux-tools-4.9 |
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| 20:05.52 | cheapie | EdePopede: That package doesn't seem to contain anything in the path friendofafriend was asking about. |
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| 20:06.47 | friendofafriend | Strange, because I'm looking for usbip. There's a separate package for it, but the docs recommend using linux-tools (or linux-tools-generic). |
| 20:06.55 | EdePopede | ok, this one is virtual, 4.9+80+deb9u6 transitional. |
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| 20:07.20 | cheapie | I don't think usbip has been maintained in quite a while... |
| 20:08.08 | friendofafriend | They were doing releases in 2017, and the modules are in the kernel. |
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| 20:08.22 | friendofafriend | When you say "transitional", what should I infer? |
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| 20:11.16 | EdePopede | that its days are over. its functionality seems to be in linux-perf now |
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| 20:17.16 | friendofafriend | Thanks for your help. |
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| 20:37.31 | engys | heyho :) |
| 20:38.25 | engys | does anybody using a Ryzen 2400G on Stretch? |
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| 20:40.11 | engys | damn I got some hard times with ATI/AMD on Debian 9 |
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| 20:40.35 | engys | R5/230 fail |
| 20:40.48 | engys | RX460 fail |
| 20:40.57 | julius | hi |
| 20:41.01 | julius | why is my squid not a transparent proxy for the http port? https://bpaste.net/show/b311d3e8caa2 ive read that http_port needs to be there two times on different ports, one time with the intercept option |
| 20:41.27 | julius | but i havent found one solition for http and https |
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| 20:43.05 | towo` | engys, the stretch kernel (4.9) is way to old for ryzenG |
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| 20:43.52 | engys | towo`: any idea when Buster gets ready? |
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| 20:44.04 | towo` | engys, when it's done |
| 20:44.11 | engys | ^^ =) |
| 20:44.18 | coruja | engys, you may try backports meanwhile |
| 20:44.22 | towo` | engys, but since buster is in freeze, why not install buster now? |
| 20:44.49 | engys | coruja: no I tried to much the last days |
| 20:45.17 | coruja | engys, but doing nothing won't change anything ;) |
| 20:45.47 | coruja | upgrading to buster is another alternative as towo` pointed out |
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| 20:48.21 | maxzor | Hello, do you know why eclipse has not been packaged for 10 years? Is eclipse that bad? |
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| 20:50.03 | engys | towo`, coruja: yep maybe testing is what I am looking for |
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| 20:58.48 | rant | maxzor: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/eclipse it was unmaintained and has been removed, nobody has any interest in it. Its easy enough to install, as its just a java program you download the tarball, unzip and run |
| 20:58.48 | engys | maxzor: did you saw that eclipse telling people to use android studio =) |
| 20:59.30 | rant | maxzor: only people touching java anymore really are android developers and they probably have better tools available |
| 21:00.42 | engys | I am not even able to open my old android projects in newer eclipse versions |
| 21:03.38 | maxzor | i am just looking for a general c++ ide that vaguely has the features of qtcreator. Been using eclipse in the past and was ok with it, had qtcreator for qt and figured general c++ was a reason to switch back to eclipse... guess ill keep qtcreator |
| 21:03.59 | engys | by the way RX480 doing fine on Stretch so it take only one tiny polaris step to mess up the driver situation |
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| 21:08.57 | rant | maxzor: or just download the eclipse tarball, extract, and knock yourself out. |
| 21:09.28 | sshTaps | i have a system (thinkpad t500) with an incredibly slow wifi connection. It's fully updated debian-jessie, with some atheros wifi card (3 antenna, installed recently), connecting to a FreeBSD access point. It tops out at 30 to 50kb/s, whereas every other device on my network can get multiples of that speed. |
| 21:10.11 | rant | maxzor: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-the-latest-eclipse-java-ide-on-debian-9-stretch-linux |
| 21:10.17 | sshTaps | this speed issue is inconsistent, which is strange, and I cannot account for it. |
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| 21:10.48 | maxzor | rant, right ty |
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| 21:13.54 | rant | towo`: you really shouldn't recommend that here |
| 21:15.37 | rant | first of all the buster freeze is tuesday, its not fully in freeze yet, secondly, its not only not recieving security support, but its also not recieving anything from sid.. during the freeze the code is in a vulnerable state, and we only support stable here. |
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| 21:16.33 | engys | rant: uhhh really .. so I need to patch the sockets myself =) |
| 21:17.14 | rant | there is a 4.19 kernel in backports |
| 21:17.24 | rant | !kernels |
| 21:17.26 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 5.0, mainline: 5.0, stable 4.20: 4.20.14, longterm 4.19: 4.19.27, longterm 4.14: 4.14.105, longterm 4.9: 4.9.162, longterm 4.4: 4.4.176, longterm 3.18: 3.18.136 (EOL), longterm 3.16: 3.16.63, linux-next: next-20190306 |
| 21:17.39 | rant | ,kernels |
| 21:17.40 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.20.0-trunk-686-pae (4.20-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-3-686-pae (4.19.20-1); buster: 4.19.0-2-686-pae (4.19.16-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.2-686 (4.19.16-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.144-3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u5~deb8u1); wheezy-backports: |
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| 21:17.41 | judd | 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1) |
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| 21:17.57 | rant | same kernel you're going to get in buster |
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| 21:21.11 | engys | rant: thanks for pointing out |
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| 21:23.30 | rant | yes, well its annoying and pointless for anyone to suggest using testing/unstable especially during the worst point.. during a freeze, simply citing a newer kernel.. aside from the fact the kernel is in no way tied to your branch, you can use any kernel you want.. the very same kernel is available in stretch-backports as in testing or unstable |
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| 21:26.37 | towo` | ranyou know kernel is only one part for the graphics? |
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| 21:28.56 | towo` | ryzenG needs besides a recent kernel even a recent mesa, ddx and drm |
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| 21:32.04 | engys | towo`: sure but you invite https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2019-8912 if you are not carefull |
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| 21:36.09 | rocketmagnet | hi everyone, my lag is back, i switched cable and now it's not with auto-completition, now it happens in my filebrowser, here is the dmesg dump: https://paste.debian.net/1072509/ |
| 21:36.39 | rocketmagnet | the lines 875 are interessting |
| 21:36.47 | rocketmagnet | and below |
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| 21:48.49 | rant | ,v libmesagl1 |
| 21:48.50 | judd | No package named 'libmesagl1' was found in amd64. |
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| 21:49.53 | rant | ,v libgl-mesa-glx |
| 21:49.54 | judd | No package named 'libgl-mesa-glx' was found in amd64. |
| 21:49.56 | sshTaps | if i run dist-upgrade in jessie, what do i upgrade to? wheezy? |
| 21:50.08 | rant | ,v libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 21:50.09 | judd | Package: libgl1-mesa-glx on amd64 -- wheezy: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; jessie: 10.3.2-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 13.0.6-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 13.0.6-1+b2; stretch-backports: 18.2.8-2~bpo9+1; sid: 18.3.2-1; buster: 18.3.4-1 |
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| 21:50.27 | rant | again, practically same as in testing/unstable |
| 21:50.37 | rant | sshTaps: jessie |
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| 21:51.10 | rant | sshTaps: dist-upgrade upgrades to whatever is in the sources and if the sources are jessie and you're running jessie, it upgrades to jessie |
| 21:51.25 | sshTaps | ok |
| 21:51.47 | rant | if you want to upgrade read the stretch release notes ch4 |
| 21:52.16 | rant | sshTaps: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
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| 21:58.15 | rant | what I dont understand is how i been seeing a lot of packages where buster has newer versions than sid |
| 21:58.26 | rant | that bot gotta be buggy or somethin |
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| 22:01.05 | rant | pdo says libgl1-mesa-glx in sid is 18.3.4-2 but judd said its 18.3.2-1 |
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| 22:08.07 | towo` | since bpo has no security support either, it is questionable whether bpo is preferable to testing |
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| 22:10.44 | engys | well no problem, I will get some cheap Intel HD for this Stretch system |
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| 22:11.33 | rant | towo`: not really, backports are allowed to bypass policy and pull fixes directly from sid |
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| 22:12.05 | rant | towo`: and as is evident on this nasty chromium vulnerability I'm waiting on, sid is the first to get fixed |
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| 22:12.38 | rant | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2019-5786 been fixed in sid for days now |
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| 22:13.04 | rant | when fixes hit sid, testing has to wait for them, stable backports doesnt |
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| 22:19.01 | rant | rocketmagnet: sounds like your drive is dying to me |
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| 22:21.25 | rant | rocketmagnet: is this a desktop? |
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| 22:22.44 | rant | rocketmagnet: I notice you mention "my lag is back" and say its been having different issues some sound like they are in ram, not disk.. which actually points to the PSU failing |
| 22:23.05 | rant | power supply issues are generally rather random, all across the board, and hard to diagnose |
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| 22:23.15 | rant | and if not corrected, will lead to failure of other things |
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| 22:34.59 | rocketmagnet | rant: how can i be sure i need a new hd ? |
| 22:36.28 | rocketmagnet | is there a way i can test it ? |
| 22:39.12 | rant | rocketmagnet: use it in another computer.. I'd check the PSU with a digital multimeter or swap it out.. cause it could be that too |
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| 22:41.01 | rocketmagnet | isn't there smartctl -t or something i can do with software ? |
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| 22:42.42 | rant | rocketmagnet: well sure, but wont tell ya a whole lot, and really hdsentinel is more reliable.. gotta get it from their website.. its commercial but a free download for personal use and available for x86 machines |
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| 22:43.10 | rant | rocketmagnet: that only tells you what ALREADY happened, not what WILL happen, and if the errors are due to a faulty PSU its not any indication of the drive's fault |
| 22:43.39 | rocketmagnet | what's a PSU ? |
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| 22:43.50 | klys | power-supply-unit |
| 22:44.23 | rocketmagnet | so you mean the cable that powers the hd ? |
| 22:44.43 | rocketmagnet | i've antoher hd on the same cable and that works normaly |
| 22:45.05 | rant | I mean the power supply unit of the computer itself |
| 22:46.02 | rant | if say the 12v rail of a psu is not producing between 11.75v-12.05v steady, it'll cause all kinds of random shit to go wrong, lead you to think the hdd is failing one minute, ram failing the next, may make you think the fans or entire mobo is fried.. |
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| 22:46.32 | rant | below 11.75 a machine appears dead, thats the lowest most things will work |
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| 22:46.48 | rant | but PSU output all kinds of voltages.. 3.3, 5, 12, just to name a few |
| 22:46.57 | rant | and if they're not stable and within spec, shit hits the fan |
| 22:48.07 | rocketmagnet | rant: but then the other hardware would lag too but that's not the case, i can switch windows and work in other windows while the lag is happening |
| 22:48.21 | rant | no not at all |
| 22:48.42 | rant | PSU failures never show evenly across the board.. its random |
| 22:49.03 | rocketmagnet | the hd is around 5 years old |
| 22:49.14 | rocketmagnet | do you think i need a new one ? |
| 22:49.16 | rant | when they work properly they're suppose to supply even voltage to all components, when they're failing or over drawn, the errors crop up in different places at different times |
| 22:49.32 | rocketmagnet | i try to create a new partition on the other hd and see if the lag happens there too |
| 22:50.11 | sshTaps | when i tried to dist-upgrade from jessie to stretch, the last action was an attempt to remove the package systemd, which failed |
| 22:50.19 | sshTaps | why would apt-get try to remove systemd? |
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| 23:04.50 | awal1 | i googled several times but i do not find an usb wifi adapter with 5ghz capability supported OFFICIALLY by debian. any suggestion? |
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| 23:06.26 | BenLue | rant im trying to use di-netboot-assistant |
| 23:07.24 | BenLue | dnsmasq is configurated with https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/netboot-assistant/blob/master/examples/dnsmasq.conf.simple but i get tftp timeout |
| 23:09.24 | BenLue | anyone familiar with di-netboot-assistant ? |
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| 23:12.36 | DonK_KijotE | Hi |
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| 23:16.57 | rant | DonK_KijotE: again? |
| 23:17.28 | DonK_KijotE | for ever :P |
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| 23:19.08 | rant | idk, what goes up, must come down |
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| 23:28.37 | karlpinc | sshTaps: See the stretch release notes. They have upgrade instructions and notes on what to do when things go wrong. Always follow the instructions in the release notes to upgrade between major releases. |
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